January 30, 2025 • 41 mins
We are BACK as Jamieson and Classy return for another fantastic boxing conversation. On this week's episode, the duo discussed the results of Inoue vs Kim, and previewed Benavidez vs Morell and Shields vs Perkins before breaking down 2016's Hands of Stone in this week's 'Pop Culture Pugilism' segment. They also did another round of mailbag questions, so be sure to keep sending them to letters@mixedcopodcast.com!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this corner standing it six foot five, weight class
unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welch and
in this corner standing it five foot nine Wayne Town
with six wins.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Three losses, two arrests, four late payments on student loans.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
And two total paint ruptcies.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hits the Classy. I'll go thank you. Welcome back to
the episode of Mixed Company podcast. Of course, miamus Jamison
and I'm joining, Oh what is by classy? Classy? What's
going on? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh man? I am very stoked this week because the
boxing world has been a bit quiet and easing into
the new year, as expected, but now it's ramping up
and we got a bunch of several We got several
important fights happening soon that we're going to talk about today. So, uh,
do you want to get into the news.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well, let's get right into it. You never really eased
into boxing because boxing is like a twenty four seven,
three sixty five sports. Always something going on, right, whether
it's boxer's doing something being made, you know, talk going
on is always something that the sport never dies. It's
always there's no off season for boxing.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
That is true. That is true. Well, I walked to
the news stand this morning. I picked up some pornomags
and I also got a copy of the Boxing Gazette.
So let's look at some headlines here.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
They still sew porno magazine stores.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I get my hands on the one way or another.
So the but all right, okay, physical media will never die.
Speaking of things that will less forever for and for
the for the young listeners, a magazine is like an
iPad made out of paper back in the day that
we had. So first up last Friday, in the middle
of the night, us time. You know. Japanese boxer and
(01:44):
knockout artists. Now, yeah, in a way defeated Yeh June
Kim and run four of their fight, which is honestly
the least surprising news in the world. But there's something
I want to talk about, the actual knockout. But first, Jameson,
did you get a chance to see a replay of
the fight?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Die replay of the fight? It's a as expected, like
we're not surprised by the results, like we've kind of
expected my biggest couple things a little bit controversial. But
also it's time to see him in America. Now, it's
time to see him when everybody's up and watching live
not hear say it's almost like a it's almost like
a myth in a sense, right, Like you've heard about him,
(02:17):
you've heard the name, you see him on list, but
no one's really seen him live out here. We've heard him,
we've heard all the things on pound pound list. Some
people have him a number one pound pound, which is
a little crazy to me, but neither here nor there. However,
we got to see him with the lights of bright
in Vegas, New York, LA, whatever, where there's twenty thousand
people and you're in an unfamiliar territory and Liscott si
(02:40):
how he performs in because that's all that matters.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
He did say that his plan is to fight in
Vegas this year, so he wants to fight twice this
year Vegas and then maybe Saudi Arabia at the end
of the year, so maybe in the summer something like that.
And something I forgot to mention we previous the fight
last episode, my man, you know, way he fights twice
a year. Like you want to talk about guys not
being active, which we brought up before. He fights twice
a year consistently. This fight he just had was delayed
(03:06):
from December, but he's still going to do his two fights,
so you may get three total in twenty twenty five,
which is wild. So you know, other folks take note.
The thing I wanted to mention about the actual knockout
you know, Kim, he started off okay, you know, got
some shots in uh turn the fourth dry and he
was up against the ropes and he did the like
come and get it, like show me what you got
thing when he put his hands up. Y'all, don't do that.
(03:27):
Don't do that shit unless you really really know you
can block, dodge and take the shots from your opponent.
Because guess what happened. You know, he showed him what
he had and you know, got him with some body shots,
got him in the chin, and my man was out.
So you don't want to be the dude that that
goes wrong for, is all I say.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Please.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
So yeah, you know, hopefully he does fight in Vegas
and a lot of more folks get to see him
later this year. I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
The guy's name is nickname is the Monster. And weirdly
enough we're going from one monster to another because this
next fighter, he's also a knockout artist. His nickname is
also well, it's all monstro of course. I'm talking about
local hero David Benavidez from Phoenix. The Saturday, February first,
he is going up against David Morrele Junior from Cuba.
(04:15):
Benevidez used to fight at super middleweight at one sixty
eight pounds. He was the mandatory challenger for Canelo Alvarez,
but Cannelo refused to fight him. Was Canelo being coward?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Was he afraid?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, I'll say was he a coward? Was he afraid?
As possible? So Benavidez decided to move up one weight
class to light heavyweight max have won seventy five pounds,
trying to make a name for himself, and if he
wins this match, he'll be a natural challenger for the
winner of the Dmitri Beebl and archer peterbev rematched in February. So, Jameson,
how do you feel about this idea that Canelo ducked
(04:47):
Benavidez because he was afraid? And I gonna need a
stiff drink for this one, because you know, Canelos my guy.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I know, I know. But here's the thing. All of
our fighters have done weird things in their careers. Like,
that's how it goes, like no, no one's fighter is
one hundred percent innocent and pure when it comes to
the business of boxing. Just how it goes. If you're
a Floyd fan, if you're a Manny fan, if you're
a Canelo fan, They've all picked and choose and done
things that people don't agree with for the betterment of
(05:13):
themselves in their pocketbook. So this is just par for
the course. Canelos smart Canal is also an entity in
a businessman. There are certain weekends in Vegas where if
he's fighting, everyone does well. Everyone right. The Tourism board
of Clark County welcomes him to come a couple times
a year. So it's bigger than just bragging rights. It's
(05:33):
bigger than just win loss records. You gotta understand less
it's worth it money wise, You're not gonna take unnecessary
risk in your eyes, That's just how it goes.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, I mean you want to say Canelo duck Benavidez
because he was afraid, that's fine. I'm not even gonna
argue it. I personally just hate our fans can always
find a reason to complain about a fighter. Nobody has
a good enough resume. Nobody fights the right people. Everyone
is overrated. Like if Instagram and Facebook comings made a
legal light, wouldn't be said.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Honestly, here's the thing. The only thing I will say,
Oscar didn't duck anybody. Why. Oscar has a lot of
flaws and we INVESI post fighting career and all that
stuff and outside of the ring, But the one thing
I will give him credit for is he didn't duck anybody.
He was the face of the sport for a long time.
Inf'sially for the notoriety he was able to provide, and
(06:23):
he never really ducked it. He focked everyone, And I
give him a lot of because ever since then, no
one's done that, or they did it, did it on
their time, right, They wait until people declined, They waited
till people were in different situations, et cetera, et cetera.
So I think that's what we're accustomed to, is, Hey,
whoever the face of the sport is, you're taking all challenges.
So when that didn't happen with the generations after, it
(06:44):
was kind of like, ah, but the business is so
large now, the amounts are so huge that I understand,
I get it. Right.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well, and another thing on specifically Canelo. You know the
WBC were Boxing Council supposedly threatened to strip his belt
if he didn't take the Benavitas fight, but then they
did it. So if it's not going to be in force,
nobody has to fight anybody, like fact, why make a
mentor I'm supposed to like not do drugs in the
bathroom of a dive bar in two some. But if
the bartender is a friend of mine and isn't going
to hold me to that rule, then I don't think
(07:13):
I really did anything wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You're honorlyerminating our cell on live podcast.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
No, no comedy, said satire, comedy, satire, just yeah, yeah,
checking allegedly if I were to do that hypothetically speaking, okay,
make you sure, yeah, yeah, of course, of course I
know the game. But yeah, Benavite is a great fighter.
I hope he has a lot of success in the
light heavyweight class. I hope he fights and beats the
shit out of either better Be or be Ball in
(07:37):
the near future. So perps to you man, helps to
see you, helps to see you get bigger and bigger. Uh. Sunday,
February twod Clarissa Shield returns to the ring to fight
in her hometown of Flint against Daniel Perkins, who only
has a record of five and zero but is a
former basketball player over six feet tall, probably the most
physically imposing opponent Shield that has ever got up again.
(07:58):
So we've talked about Clarissa plenty on the show because
the bio picked the fire inside, which y'all should see.
Uh yeah, for this fight. You know, I just want
to reiterate what I've said before that let's not dismiss
opponents as like bums, tomato cans, uber drivers, whatever, just
think because they don't have a long resume, anything can
happen to boxing. An upset is always on the table,
and a great fighter can always have an off.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Night, right, always always not focused, taking someone lightly, et cetera,
et cetera. Next you know you're in a fight, a
close fight in round eight. You just never know how
these things work out. So never taken too lightly, Shields
should win, but you know, you just never know. You
never know.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, So you know I'm rooting for and I'm rooting
for women's boxing, so you know, please watch support and
let's get more ladies out there on the ring.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Let's get us scrapping absolutely.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Speaking of scraps, I wanted to mention online one this
is more for fun between Devin Haney and Serves Sloane.
I'll put on my Jay Leno voice, cheer about this,
care about this.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I've seen the hangings on social media for the last month.
I've seen the dad, I've seen the sun, I've seen
different things. It's getting out of hand. Why get back
in the ring?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Sure this one, I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and
give get on Haney side a little bit because what
happened is that Stolene had a TikTok video from last year.
The resurfaced on you know, some some boxing account or whatever.
He was showing off some gloves that he used to
wear when he was filming Rocky and he said, I
got the code here.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Uh, they don't even allow these today because they're so dangerous.
That's what they that's what they use when I did
the film. They're billy six ounces. They're literally lethal. Is
the time when people were tougher, sorry they were, Life
is getting easier and easier and easier, man.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So David Hayney on Twitter said, dude, don't know a
left frock from a fish hook, which is kind of funny.
He got the nervous speak on times being easier in boxing,
like he wasn't just an actor buddy them Rocky movies
wasn't real, which.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I know.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
There's nothing I hate more than like the grampies talking
about how people used to be tougher and kids these
days there's so soft. But man, shut up, like you're
you're basically just giving yourself credit for your generation, and
you know two layers you want to talk about boxing
maybe being tougher, being fifteen rounds, people using different good
things change because people fucking died. You know, boxing has been,
(10:17):
has always been a dayier sport. It always will be.
But that doesn't mean we think the sport is better
when there's a higher number of dead fighters. Do we like?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
No, it's like anything else. Still the air of the sport.
Everyone from there are thinks it was the toughest, it
was the hardest, et cetera, et cetera. So you talk
to a football fan, they're going to say football in
the seventies and eighties was tougher than it is now,
saying thing with basketball and baseball. That's just how it goes.
But also technology evolves. Information to evolved, So the information
technology we have now is way better than it was
(10:45):
thirty forty fifty years ago. So we're able to put
that in place and make things easier for our athletes
to box. And that's kind of where we're at with things.
So unfortunately, some people were just born at the wrong time.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Sure, I mean, but at the same time, yeah, you
learn and adapt. That's kind of what we're all supposed
to do, is people as a society, So just not
just stuck living in the past, I think. And Plus,
if Stallone is talking about how the world and society
at large things are just easier, all I'll say is
kids in school these days do active shooter drills. And
the reason Stillone probably considers themselves so tough is because
(11:18):
he had to grow up watching black people move into
his neighborhoods. Yes, I said it.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, I mean, it's the generation that he comes from
is different. You know, they view things a lot different
than we do. So I don't agree with his stance,
but I'm not totally surprised either.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Sure, sure, I mean, yes, you're never surprised when a
granpy says we were twofer back then.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
That's correct.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
So yeah, that's kind of the just kind of trying
to pick some headlines off of the Boxing Gazette that
I think you're interesting to talk about. Let's move on
to a topic that I've been reading about that I
don't know how significant it is, Jamison, definitely want to
get your take on what this means for the boxing world.
Boxing broadcasts, you know. So, there's several boxing promotional companies
(12:01):
out there today. The one that's probably best known as
Top Rank. They've been around since the seventies. They promoted
fighters that practically everyone has heard of, even if you
don't watch boxing, Muhammad Ali, George Furman, and Pacquiel Mayweather,
so many others.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So they got a.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Contract it with their fights to air their fights on ESPN.
They've been with them since the eighties, broke things off
of the nineties, got back together in twenty seventeen, blah
blah blah. So the contract is going to be up
this year, and there is a hints the rumors word
on the street that Top Rank has its eye, its
wandering eye on a sexy young British streamer named the Zone,
(12:37):
who we've talked about before. So yeah, I mean the
possibility of Top Rank no longer showing its fights on
ESPN and going to a streamer only because the Zone
is you know, it's an app and it's also subscription only.
I don't know. I have mixed feelings about this. What
are your thoughts on it? I know there have been
different kinds of you know, changes in contracts, broadcast, et cetera.
(12:57):
Give me, give me your thoughts on this.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
The fan needs to know that it's very expensive to
throw a boxing mat or provide or you know, host
a boxing event. It's very expensive. It's even more expensive
to showcase it and do it repeatedly over a year.
So that being said, I can see why ESPN is
getting out of the business if certain fights aren't being made,
(13:21):
if they're not making the return they need to make,
then they're going to get out. However, Amazon, Dozone, Apple TV,
all those need content. So if you're saying that the
Zone is getting boxing, that's perfectly fine. I get that.
If other streamers want to come in as well, OXY
that as well. Because what happens is they all those
(13:44):
platforms need live content. Even though the events are expensive
to host, they need live content. So it makes perfect sense.
Why the streaming services say, hey, you know what, once
it deals over, will take care of you because it's
cheaper for us to air the fights on our platform,
that is for ESPN, and do it. So it all
makes sense. It totally makes sense. And it's also it's
(14:07):
the norm because every other sport is doing the same thing.
Everything's being streamed now, everything has streaming options. A lot
of networks along other ways are not investing as much
money or whatever it may be. So this is a
sign of the times. It's a sign of the times.
I feel sorry for older people who aren't technological savly
because they're used to just turning on channel and watching
an event. Now they got to download an app or
(14:29):
wait for a stream to pop up, and that's not
necessarily their strengths.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Well, everything you're saying is pair. Yes, it is the
sign of the times. However, you did make a very
good point, or a very important point. I have to
mention you said everything has streaming options. ESPN has a
streaming option in ESPN plus this is going to go
all streaming. And I'm not even worried so much about
the grand piece. Honestly, my thoughts on it were the people.
(14:54):
We've talked about how more people should be getting into boxing.
We should be doing everything we can to expand the sport. Right,
core fans will follow it anywhere you put it on,
any app, any streaming service, whatever it is, will follow.
But for the people that don't, letsten let's there's three
categories of people that don't follow boxing. People who cut
Number one as people cut the cord, don't have cable
and also don't watch sports at all, so they pay
(15:15):
for Netflix HBO. They don't care about sports. They're practically unreachable,
you know, which is fine. Number two is people who
don't care about sports but still have basic cable and
then maybe they pay for like HBO. Three is people
who love sports but have never seen a boxing match.
I know people like that who are obsessed with the NFL,
NBA or baseball if they're a fan of napping, but
they've never seen a match. So we can write off
(15:37):
number one as potential boxing fans. But what if we
could convince people from group two or three to watch
a match for whatever reason? Maybe we talk about it,
you know on social media.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You know there's this cool fight.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Maybe a dude try to impress a babe who's into
combat sports. If someone has, you know, a basic cable,
they just turn on ESPN on Friday or Saturday, right
or and then the people who like sports and don't
watch boxing, they probably have ESPN Plus anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Right absolutely, But also think it like this. Everything is
going towards streaming. That's just how it is. But the
best way of item grows or it gets legs it
is when it's on the regular TV, like we grew
up with boxing being on CBS and ABC. When you know,
that's how and eventually ESPN and then pay per view.
(16:23):
These young kids know nothing about that. The younger generation
has no idea about that. Their biggest thing was when
when they took over for PBC, they start putting things
on Fox and CBO. They did that for a while.
It wasn't necessarily giving them money they thought it was,
and they were paying the fighters way too much, so
they didn't quite last. But that would be the ideal situation.
(16:47):
Going to streaming is tough because you gotta really if
you really want to watch something, you'll find it. So
streaming is cool, but you really x out a lot
of people that are casual people because they're not going
to go to an extra mile to view something you told.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Like I said a couple of the people that I
mentioned in those last two categories, you have to download
a whole less other app to watch a fight. They're done,
they're done listening. And Plus, another thing we've said before
is not a lot of fights really permeate the zeitgeist,
the public consciousness. You know, it's gonna be Paul Logan
and his clown brother. It's going to be you know,
Deontay Wilder Fury three, that was everywhere. But if someone
(17:24):
he's like, wow, there's so many people talking about Fury
Wildther three, I should check it out. Oh eighty dollars
pay per view. Fought that right, you know which? Fine,
you know it's only very few people are going to
do something like that. But if they're curious about the
sport and yeah, you just turn to flip a channel,
I think it's gonna it might make the world of
boxing less accessible. And I don't know, I don't know
(17:46):
if you think maybe that it's not gonna matter that
much for the fandom that it has for it to grow.
It hasn't been growing that much anyway, so what does
it matter. I don't know, I mean, is the sport
going to be in trouble if it becomes harder and
hard en iof I in the future.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
So here's the situation a sports that we're gonna be
in trouble. We've been talking about boxing is dead for
thirty years now, so we're not true. We're not going
to go there through it will be fine. The issue
is this, we need more transcendent boxers, not just guys
that go viral because they're dumb. We need guys to
be good and be viral and be good like if
(18:22):
Tank Davis was had a better personality and could be marketable,
that would be better. But those things aren't available at
this time. So here we are. If Devin Haney can
actually fight with the way he looks, we would be
in a better shape. But that's not the case. We
need more guys that the public knows off of name
(18:42):
and what they do, not naming what they've done off
the ring or outside of the ring, or what their
parent has done. We need more people to be like, oh,
that's Devin Haney, he's undefeated, blah blah blah, he's really
good at boxing, he's twenty whatever, he looks good, etc.
We need that. And it's funny because we watched a
movie that we're gonna coverlater on where one of the
boxers in that movie had that look that transcended to
(19:05):
all parts, you know. So it's funny how boxing was
thirty forty years ago when you had an athlete that
people knew. Now the average person doesn't know the athletes.
And a big part of it is how the how
the sport is covered and how it's marketed well.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
And I think to the issues that everybody A lot
of fans have been said saying that, you know, well,
if everything is on the don because the Zone owns
a bunch of other promoters, like they own Matchhrow Boxing,
they have Goldenboy Promotions. They think if everybody's going to
be on the Zone, it's going to be easier to
make big fights and everybody's gonna I I think people
think that this is something that it's not. Sean Porter
(19:45):
actually made a very good point when he was talking
about this. They said, oh, everybody's under the same umbrella.
He said, there's a difference between being under the same
umbrella and the same platform versus the same platform, And
this is what this is. Being under the same umbrella
means Top Rank buys all these other promoters and they
own it. Like speaking of ESPN, they're own by Disney,
so is Fox, so is ABC. They're under the same umbrella.
(20:08):
If Top Brank goes to the Zone, that just means
they'll be on the same platform with other promoters. Yeah,
they can work together, but that doesn't mean that they will.
That they'll collaborate. Might be a little easier because they
don't have to negotiate where these fights are streaming. But
I don't see that this is going to be the
golden era of like all the best fighters are gonna
fight everybody because they're all on the zone.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Honestly, my biggest thing is how is it marketing? Right?
Like the fights being wherever is fine because they're marketing well,
people will go anywhere to watch. How are they marketing?
How are they cross marketed? And are they going to
be on podcasts? Am I gonna get as when I'm
listening something totally different and then it pops up on
a podcast, as it's gonna be on radio? Is it
gonna be on sporting events? On TV? It's gonna be
on side? Those are my questions. How are they gonna
(20:49):
be marketed because the one thing ESPN, Fox, et cetera
do well is they market the fights when you're watching
something else. So there's a basketball game on, you get
the you know, the pre pre marketing situation saying hey
check out this Saturday, such and such takes on such
and such for the WBC. Those are things that are
needed when it comes to boxing. You got to do
(21:10):
that because casual fans will tune in if they know,
but if they don't know, they're not going to tune in.
So those are things that I look forward to, Like,
how's it going to be marketing? Or you're going to
change the ways of marketing if be'cially, if you do stream,
you gotta do a lot more directly to consumer're not necessarily
a broad thing. So you may have things that go
to someone's phone. You may have something where a banner
comes down someone's phone every other day talking about, hey,
(21:31):
don't forget this fine on this night. You know. So
those are things I'm more worried about, is how's it
going to be marketed to the part to the people,
not necessarily where they're gonna be located at.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, I don't see. I'm not optimistic that they're going
to do a lot of great marketing for you know,
so probably should have started this. But The Zone is
a British app. They do broadcast number two hundred countries.
Let's see, they got about two million subscribe twenty million subscribers,
my bad. They're worth about three million British queenie books.
And it's a popular app, but I don't know of
(22:06):
a lot of people like I think it's biggest claim
to fame is that it shows the NFL in in England,
you know, and then they promote Canelo, you know, and
stuff like that. But I'll give a very very personal,
just anecdotal situation. So I was in London twenty twenty
two and that weekend where it was Dmitri Povile versus
(22:27):
Zordla Ramirez and I go to a footy pub my
first night and I'm talking to the bartenders and I said, hey,
you know this is closest sports pub to my to
where I'm staying. Or do you all play boxing? Here's yeah,
yeah absolutely. It's like, oh is this fight on Saturday?
If I come back? You know, do you guys know
if you're playing it? Bartender? Really cool guy, says, Oh,
don't worry about it, might you know, you just tell
the bartender that it's on. We'll put it on one
of the queens for you, all right, come back. The
(22:49):
guy was like, oh, is it on Sky Sports? I'm like, no,
it's on the Zone. And he's like, what is that.
I'm like, that's it's your guys, Like these are your guys,
Like what are you talking about? What is that? So
I told him, I said, it's it's this fighter, this Fighter.
It's in Saudi Arabia. It's about now. And he's like, na, man,
if it's not on sky Sports, I don't, we don't,
we can't put it on. So I was actually surprised,
you know, being an ignorant American abroad, I'm like, you
(23:12):
all know fucking this the Zone app, it's got the
dumb name, it's got all your it's all your guys,
So like, why why didn't a sports club in London
know about it? So very anecdotal, like I said, but
that's even worse. If I'm here at a you know,
at a Buffalo Wild Wings talking to somebody about a
match on Saturday on the Zone.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
You know what I mean? Right right? Right? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
It's kind I kind of worry about that promotion and
how well people know it and if they're already streaming
in two hundred countries and they have because they don't
just have combat sports, they have a lot of different
kinds of sports. So how much are they really really
gonna focus on boxing going forward? Like I said, I'm
not very optimistic.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I don't know. If you feel maybe there is a
chance there's hope.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
You tell me, I gotta see who's in charge of
the operation. That would tell me a lot and what
their experience is, right, because if they have boxing experience,
i'd be cool. But if you're telling me somebody from
tennis or golf or whatever is running the show, then
it's gonna be rough, and then the marketing is gonna
be weird, like and I would wouldn't have that much hope.
But we'll see, We'll definitely see. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I mean, I think another sort of like mark against
them is that I don't think you and I knew
how to pronounce the name of the app for a
long time, even though we watch boxing on you know,
boxing matches they broadcast.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
So absolutely absolutely yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
But we'll see I mean figures crossed. I uh, I
of course will watch boxing wherever it goes. But I'm
you know, the part of doing the show too is
kind of spread the word, trying to get some a
couple of folks to check out a match whenever they can.
And I think this is gonna make my personal job harder.
So I don't know, but maybe we'll get some amazing
fights that everybody's gonna hear about. And we.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Will always, no matter what channel things are wrong, will
always get amazing fights.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
The thing that's got to happen is the Monday afterwards,
you go to work, you go somewhere, you go to
the gym, and you're like, did you see the Canili
fight from over the weekend. That's what's got to continue
happening kind of a thing. So yeah, but yeah, like
I said, we're in the area of streaming, and uh,
you know, I'm sure we're here, but by physical media,
folks buy movies and TV shows on disc. This is
(25:16):
my personal gospel here ownership forever. Don't let streaming service
possibly take it from you. We've basically lost the battle.
But there are things on streaming that are here one
day and gone the next. And even there are stories
when people buy movies and TV shows on like Amazon
Prime and some sort of contract gets you know, canceled,
lost or whatever, and now that shit has gone even
(25:38):
though you paid for it. So I'm a big supporter
of physical media, both in movies, TV shows and newdi mags,
as we already spoke about as Wow. All right, Next
up our recurring segment called pop Pugilism, where we discuss
the movie your TV show related to boxing. Today we're
talking about Hens of Stone from twenty sixteen rated R
(25:59):
for language violence, Titties. Directed by Jonathan Jikubuwicks. It stars
Edgar Amirez, Robert de Niro, Added Armis, and Usher Raymond
Fourth who yes is the singer Usher, which I didn't
know before I watched the movie. By the way, that
was his real name. So the movie is a biopic
about Roberto Duran. Before we get into the movie, I
just want to give some quick facts about him. Roberto
(26:19):
Duran boxer from Panama, born in nineteen fifty one. He
was most active in the seventies and eighties, but this
guy kept boxing until two thousand and one. Yep, his
nickname was Manos de Piada which means hens of stone
because he was a very heavy hitter, but he also
had excellent defense. But the poor bastard is still to
this date most well known for a second fight in
nineteen eighty against Sugar Ray Leonard, where he gave up
(26:40):
in round eight and supposedly, supposedly there are conflicting stories,
Duran said, Nomas Nomas, which means no more.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
So we'll talk a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
More about that fight in a second, but first I
want to ask Jamison, what did you think of the movie?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Good movie, like really good movie for what it was.
It was very good. I remember when I first came out,
but then like rewatch it again. It was cool, like
it did a very good job of telling the story
and like from the beginning and then the gradualness out
of where you wound up bad and I enjoyed that.
(27:13):
But like most boxers to that air, they grow poor.
Like boxing is not a it's not an elite sport.
It's the sport you get into because you ain't got
to know the choice, and when you're in a third
world country, you definitely don't have another choice. So it's
still a Mango is the Fetus family man and as
a as a kid and going from there getting in
(27:34):
trouble and got good hands, ran to somebody that could
utilize him and can figure out how to make the
best of a situation. The next thing you know, he's
boxing early and whopoping ass and taking names. And it
was just very fascinating how the whole thing and they
got personality right. There's a lot of little things that
were really good. It was very detailed, it was very organized.
(27:54):
I appreciated the thoroughness of the movie. That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah, okay, I did enjoy it. I'm maybe a little
less hot on it than you are, you know, I
think I think the first half was a lot better
than the second. I did like that they started off
in Panama, showed the stripes that he grew up in,
and kind of informed him as an adult. It is
very formulaic, like a lot of sports movies are. But
now that we've been watching a bunch of boxing movies,
(28:20):
I'm like, all right, I see it is plug and play.
It is like kind of a one size fits all script,
and it's like it's fine, you know, it's a little
it's hard. And that's why I really like the Clear
the Shields movie. Because it did do something a little
different and showed what happened after the match, and that
was kind of the crux of the story. But but
you know, the movie was good. It was I didn't
think it was bad. I didn't hate it. John Deturo
(28:43):
was in it for a little bit. He's always welcome, Yeah,
he he was a mob guy. Robert de Niro I
thought was a little little flat, just a little coasting
in his older age, you know, just kind of yeah, yeah,
he's you know, he's cashing a paycheck, he's still doing it.
Good for him. But it was really anything like, holy
shit to Nero's in this movie, this is awesome. They
(29:05):
did a whole thing in the middle where apparently his
his like a strange daughter came in the picture out
of nowhere, and you're sup, it didn't really fit in anything.
It's like, what movie am I watching now? Is it
the Nero story? Like, that's not it's not this guy's movie.
He did have a lot as and sorry. DeNiro was
Roberto Duran's trainer ray ourself, so a legendary trainer. Uh so,
(29:26):
of course he's very involved in the movie, but they
kind of didn't need to bring in his personal life. Really,
I think they could have cut that out and we
would have been fine. We've had a good story. But
and I'll say this, I think it gives me a
good sense of Roberto Duran, the guy. Maybe not a
good sense of Roberto and the boxer, his legacy. You know,
(29:47):
the fights were a little like Montagee and it does,
like other boxing films, does burn through, you know, a
big chunk of history for time's sake. But I don't know, I,
like I said, hate it, didn't love it. I do
want to talk about that sugar Ley Renard Sugar Ray
Leonard fight though specifically. So yeah, say I'll say this
(30:09):
before we get into that. The movie does definitely give
Roberto Duran a lot of leeway on that. You might
even say a lot of excuses. But yeah, he the
thing you hear about Roberto Duran. You heard no moss again,
A lot of people that don't know about boxing know
that shit that he gave up and round eight. So
the stories are that he just couldn't handle it. Sugar
(30:31):
Ray Leonard was two gun on his feet, was too fast,
too slick. Duran said, you know, he had to lose
a lot of weight, but a short period. He wasn't
feeling well. He wasn't he was unhappy that Sugar Ray
was too fast on his feet and wasn't actually fighting,
he was dancing or whatever called the mcclown. The movie
definitely was on his side on all that. It gave
(30:53):
all of that setup. So but yeah, I mean, what
do you think, jameson how it's your take on that,
on that legacy of his.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So it was funny because in this day and age,
if a guy was sixty days out and not in shape,
they would make up a random injury and give him
more time. That's what I was waiting for, right because
like we've always heard somebody turned an ankle, or somebody
bump knees with somebody in sparring and now they're out
two months whatever whatever. That When you have an experienced
promotional company, that's where it's supposed to step in, like, hey,
(31:21):
I know we agreed to a deal, but he got hurt.
You buy more time to get in shape. You're rushing
a guy that is not mentally there. It was doomed
for disaster. So this did take place, and it happens.
I also think that we forget the athletes are people too, Like,
I think that's something we all forget, right, Like athletes
(31:42):
are humans and if something's not right, it ain't right
and if nothing you can do about that. This situation,
unfortunately one he was losing the fight. Even on the
actual scorecard if you go back, he was down all
not significantly, but he was down like he was losing.
I think it was like eighty six or eighty five
or something like that. It wasn't like anything crazy, but
it was, you know, it was enough to wear he
(32:03):
was down. But also, here's the thing. Boxing is something
you can't fake. You can't be halfway in. You can't
be kind of pregnant. You either all in or you
all out. And once you get to a point of
being all out, that's what happens. Now You're also facing
a Hall of fame opponent who's very athletic and motivated
at that. So all those things, it's like, yeah, and
(32:26):
you're out of shape, Like you're out of shape and
you gotta do something that requires you to be in shape.
Not a good sign. In adversity, his money not a
good sign.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I was walking the dog and the dog wanted to run.
I was like, okay, I'll try to keep up with
you while out of shape, and that fucking sucked. Imagine
being in a ring with Sugar Ray Leonard for fifteen downds.
My god, No, yeah, I actually have you watched the
actual match like on YouTube? Yes, yeah, I watched it
too before this, And yeah, I mean you could tell
Sugar Ray Leonard was out boxing Duran like he was
(32:57):
too fast on his feet, and it could be this
whole like old school of like, well he's dancing and
the coop here to fight. Now, man, that's part of
it too. Footwork is very important part of it being
a boxer, and if you can't keep up with it,
you can't keep up with it, you know. Don't don't
say that he's like bad at boxing or not boxing
because he's you know, light on his feet, you know,
and so the reason you jump rope passhole. So but
(33:18):
but yeah, he did say Robert orand did say that.
He never actually said the words nomas. He said he
was sitting no siego, no sigo, which means I won't
go on. That could be a technicality. I just think
if it's true that he never said it, it sucks
that that's what you're known for. They even call it
the Nomas fight, so that I think that kind of sucks.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Rap songs Jay Z said it like twenty five years ago.
It's just one of those things where it's known and
he's known as the guy as that, and it's never
good since boxing is such a tough sport. When you're
known as a guy that did something untough, it's not
a good thing.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Lasila Macheko from Ukraine they say that when he was
I don't know if it was an amateur in this
early pro career, but they called him no Maschenko because
he beat his beat. His opponents asked so bad they
all gave up, so he got the dick same based
on this thing.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
So that's a little different. That's dope though, that's a
little different.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
True, true, Okay, I'm not saying that's a bad thing.
I'm just saying it sucks for Duran that like that's
what you're known for, even especially if you never it
was true, you never said it.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I mean, like I said, the movie did give him
a lot of a lot of leeway on it, and
we'll never really know the truth. But if if I
were to put my money on something, it was that
he just couldn't handle Sugary Len because I did read
that after the first fight, Sugar Ray was like on him,
he was flat footed. He took those fights and I
(34:42):
saw some highlights on that. He took some fucking bombs.
He handled some of those, uh Duran bombs so well.
But in the second one he changed up his strategy,
so Duran wasn't ready for it. That's what I think.
I mean, still an amazing boxer at the time, you know,
probably one of the best in the world, and them
was the man you know, Uh, question for you because
(35:03):
we are the Mixed Company podcast. So Duran, you know,
amazing fighter from Panama, seemed to be unbeatable. What is
the sort of the legacy in the black community of
after he lust or was it like we got that motherfucker,
We got his ass.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Absolutely absolutely, no no doubt about it. Like that's especially
with that kind of fight, Absolutely no no doubt about it.
Plus it's also Sugarye is one of ours, like that's
us and he's on TV. He's at that time, Remember
he was covered differently. He was kind of like the
Golden Boy, you know. Uh, he had the look, he
had the style, he had the you know, the record.
(35:41):
He fought everybody as well too, So he was the guy.
He's the guy that the women knew. He was the
guy that the the the person who doesn't necessarily follow boxing.
They saw him, he had commercials. So it's a little
bit different than maybe somebody like Tom Hearns, you know
what I mean. So it's a little different, you know
what I mean. So that's where it's like, it's more
(36:01):
than just a boxing fan. It's the everybody involved that one.
So yeah, as a whole, most definitely gotcha.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah, well, you know the guys. The guy's still around,
he's still alive, and he recorded some salsa albums which
I listened to. Not bad, actually not bad.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
So yeah, you know, tell me a good job with boxing,
all things considered, for someone that's not an athlete, he
did as well as you can expect someone to do.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Absolutely. So yeah, the movie. You know, we rate these
films out of four gloves.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
What would you say, three point two five?
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Three point two five, I'd go like two point seventy five.
Like I said, that second half kind of it was rough.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
The second half was rough. I'm not gonna lie. It
was wrong.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Listen to I was, we completely forgot you know, Usher
as Sugar Ray Leonard. What did you think about that?
I was actually kind of impressed and with his portrayal
of it.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, it was very good. It was very good. A
lot of the I was I didn't know I just
had that in him. I was very impressed with everything
about it. Like we I mean, if you follow a
box of course you know about Sugary Leonard and you
know a lot of the things personal life, et cetera.
But just the way he acted about it was like
it would like a boxer would like you lose. Things happened,
but I need that fight right back, make that happen
(37:16):
right now. Like that was dope to see, Like that
was really cool.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah, I was impressed.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, if you're if you're a boxer, you know Sugar
Ray Leonard. If you or if you're into boxing, you
know Sugar Eate Leonard. If you were alive in two
thousand and four, you know Usher, because that's when, yeah,
it came out and that shit was everywhere. Uh but yeah,
so yeah, no, I was, I was impressed. Like I said,
I didn't realize that he had it in him as
you did, you know, I know he did a couple
of acting roles, but what he was like in the
faculty when for you know, five minutes, so I think
(37:44):
that was the first thing he was in that was
a big deal at the time. But yeah, you know,
decent movie. Definitely, I'll finish off with this. If you're
a fan of Ana Datamus, definitely watch this movie and
I'll leave it at that. So yep, yep, all right,
let's move on to the mailback section. Got another one
from our our buddy here, Edwin l He's got a
(38:06):
fun one. Are you ready for this one? Jameson? All right?
Would you rather fight one heavyweight sized duck or one
hundred duck sized heavyweights? Me? So, I guess you'd have
to pick a heavyweight first, but like.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
One, I'll do one one duck anything and take my chances.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
But what if it's a heavyweight the size of what
if it's the ducks the size of Tightson Ferior, it's
like six nine.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I don't want a hundred.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
You can't win, But is it had it's not one
hundred ducks, it's a hundred dudes. Heavyweight fighters that are
the size of ducks. So you're still fighting little dudes,
you can.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
I don't want to. Yeah, I don't fight one whatever,
one of whatever that weighs two and eighty or I'll
pick my chances that.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Well, then that was easier than I expected. I thought
you were gonna be a little more.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I don't want a hundred things. You can't fighting a
hundred little kids. You can't win. You can't. You can't
them all at once.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Sure, but I'm willing to find out if that's the case.
But when it comes to ducks, yeah, I guess you're right.
Like a duck, here's the thing. I would pick a
duck that is the size of Mike Tyson because he's
like the only halfway that I can think of off the
top of my head that's under six feet tall. I
think he's like five ten. I'm a five nine, So
you know, like duncan I'll take yeah, yeah, like one
(39:21):
one Mike Tyson sized duck. He's weighs as much as
he does. But you know, I don't know, Bob and
weaves through the bill or the neck or whatever, kind
of go low and try to get the neck because
there's a lot of neck on that fucker. So right, Yeah,
but you don't think it's easy to just kick over
like one hundred.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Mike Tyson's nah, no, I'll take the one. I'll take
my chances.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
That's cool. I mean, I guess, yeah, I guess. People
don't really know how much one hundred things.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Are, right. You can't you can't do it. It's not possible. O.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Good, all right, thank you, Edwin ll that's the question
I really appreciate. Really fucking stupid, but I appreciate it anyway.
So yeah, that's the show man that that was fun. Jamison.
Where can people find you?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
O social media at Twitter at the Jamison always looking
into talk people and have good fun there. And yeah,
it's gonna be very fun.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Come.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
We have a big year for boxing, a lot of big fights,
even though they might be on different streaming networks and
what now, it's gonna be a big year for boxing
no matter what. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Absolutely, And if you're kind of curious about some fights
they're big enough and you don't want to pay for
a streaming up a pay per view, you can always
find a bar, you know, to a sports bar. They're
playing those and that that's a lot of fun. I
do that whenever I can. So you right over there.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. Went down with a lot
of went down the wrong.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Way, So you're scared of fighting those one hundred stuck
with you?
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
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In this corner standing it six foot five, weight class
unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welch and
in this corner standing it five foot nine Wayne Town
with six wins.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Three losses, two arrests, four late payments on student loans.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
And two total paint ruptcies.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hits the Classy. I'll go thank you. Welcome back to
the episode of Mixed Company podcast. Of course, miamus Jamison
and I'm joining, Oh what is by classy? Classy? What's
going on? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Oh man? I am very stoked this week because the
boxing world has been a bit quiet and easing into
the new year, as expected, but now it's ramping up
and we got a bunch of several We got several
important fights happening soon that we're going to talk about today. So, uh,
do you want to get into the news.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well, let's get right into it. You never really eased
into boxing because boxing is like a twenty four seven,
three sixty five sports. Always something going on, right, whether
it's boxer's doing something being made, you know, talk going
on is always something that the sport never dies. It's
always there's no off season for boxing.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
That is true. That is true. Well, I walked to
the news stand this morning. I picked up some pornomags
and I also got a copy of the Boxing Gazette.
So let's look at some headlines here.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
They still sew porno magazine stores.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
I get my hands on the one way or another.
So the but all right, okay, physical media will never die.
Speaking of things that will less forever for and for
the for the young listeners, a magazine is like an
iPad made out of paper back in the day that
we had. So first up last Friday, in the middle
of the night, us time. You know. Japanese boxer and
(01:44):
knockout artists. Now, yeah, in a way defeated Yeh June
Kim and run four of their fight, which is honestly
the least surprising news in the world. But there's something
I want to talk about, the actual knockout. But first, Jameson,
did you get a chance to see a replay of
the fight?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Die replay of the fight? It's a as expected, like
we're not surprised by the results, like we've kind of
expected my biggest couple things a little bit controversial. But
also it's time to see him in America. Now, it's
time to see him when everybody's up and watching live
not hear say it's almost like a it's almost like
a myth in a sense, right, Like you've heard about him,
(02:17):
you've heard the name, you see him on list, but
no one's really seen him live out here. We've heard him,
we've heard all the things on pound pound list. Some
people have him a number one pound pound, which is
a little crazy to me, but neither here nor there. However,
we got to see him with the lights of bright
in Vegas, New York, LA, whatever, where there's twenty thousand
people and you're in an unfamiliar territory and Liscott si
(02:40):
how he performs in because that's all that matters.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
He did say that his plan is to fight in
Vegas this year, so he wants to fight twice this
year Vegas and then maybe Saudi Arabia at the end
of the year, so maybe in the summer something like that.
And something I forgot to mention we previous the fight
last episode, my man, you know, way he fights twice
a year. Like you want to talk about guys not
being active, which we brought up before. He fights twice
a year consistently. This fight he just had was delayed
(03:06):
from December, but he's still going to do his two fights,
so you may get three total in twenty twenty five,
which is wild. So you know, other folks take note.
The thing I wanted to mention about the actual knockout
you know, Kim, he started off okay, you know, got
some shots in uh turn the fourth dry and he
was up against the ropes and he did the like
come and get it, like show me what you got
thing when he put his hands up. Y'all, don't do that.
(03:27):
Don't do that shit unless you really really know you
can block, dodge and take the shots from your opponent.
Because guess what happened. You know, he showed him what
he had and you know, got him with some body shots,
got him in the chin, and my man was out.
So you don't want to be the dude that that
goes wrong for, is all I say.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Please.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
So yeah, you know, hopefully he does fight in Vegas
and a lot of more folks get to see him
later this year. I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
The guy's name is nickname is the Monster. And weirdly
enough we're going from one monster to another because this
next fighter, he's also a knockout artist. His nickname is
also well, it's all monstro of course. I'm talking about
local hero David Benavidez from Phoenix. The Saturday, February first,
he is going up against David Morrele Junior from Cuba.
(04:15):
Benevidez used to fight at super middleweight at one sixty
eight pounds. He was the mandatory challenger for Canelo Alvarez,
but Cannelo refused to fight him. Was Canelo being coward?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Was he afraid?
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, I'll say was he a coward? Was he afraid?
As possible? So Benavidez decided to move up one weight
class to light heavyweight max have won seventy five pounds,
trying to make a name for himself, and if he
wins this match, he'll be a natural challenger for the
winner of the Dmitri Beebl and archer peterbev rematched in February. So, Jameson,
how do you feel about this idea that Canelo ducked
(04:47):
Benavidez because he was afraid? And I gonna need a
stiff drink for this one, because you know, Canelos my guy.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
I know, I know. But here's the thing. All of
our fighters have done weird things in their careers. Like,
that's how it goes, like no, no one's fighter is
one hundred percent innocent and pure when it comes to
the business of boxing. Just how it goes. If you're
a Floyd fan, if you're a Manny fan, if you're
a Canelo fan, They've all picked and choose and done
things that people don't agree with for the betterment of
(05:13):
themselves in their pocketbook. So this is just par for
the course. Canelos smart Canal is also an entity in
a businessman. There are certain weekends in Vegas where if
he's fighting, everyone does well. Everyone right. The Tourism board
of Clark County welcomes him to come a couple times
a year. So it's bigger than just bragging rights. It's
(05:33):
bigger than just win loss records. You gotta understand less
it's worth it money wise, You're not gonna take unnecessary
risk in your eyes, That's just how it goes.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah, I mean you want to say Canelo duck Benavidez
because he was afraid, that's fine. I'm not even gonna
argue it. I personally just hate our fans can always
find a reason to complain about a fighter. Nobody has
a good enough resume. Nobody fights the right people. Everyone
is overrated. Like if Instagram and Facebook comings made a
legal light, wouldn't be said.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Honestly, here's the thing. The only thing I will say,
Oscar didn't duck anybody. Why. Oscar has a lot of
flaws and we INVESI post fighting career and all that
stuff and outside of the ring, But the one thing
I will give him credit for is he didn't duck anybody.
He was the face of the sport for a long time.
Inf'sially for the notoriety he was able to provide, and
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he never really ducked it. He focked everyone, And I
give him a lot of because ever since then, no
one's done that, or they did it, did it on
their time, right, They wait until people declined, They waited
till people were in different situations, et cetera, et cetera.
So I think that's what we're accustomed to, is, Hey,
whoever the face of the sport is, you're taking all challenges.
So when that didn't happen with the generations after, it
(06:44):
was kind of like, ah, but the business is so
large now, the amounts are so huge that I understand,
I get it. Right.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well, and another thing on specifically Canelo. You know the
WBC were Boxing Council supposedly threatened to strip his belt
if he didn't take the Benavitas fight, but then they
did it. So if it's not going to be in force,
nobody has to fight anybody, like fact, why make a
mentor I'm supposed to like not do drugs in the
bathroom of a dive bar in two some. But if
the bartender is a friend of mine and isn't going
to hold me to that rule, then I don't think
(07:13):
I really did anything wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You're honorlyerminating our cell on live podcast.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
No, no comedy, said satire, comedy, satire, just yeah, yeah,
checking allegedly if I were to do that hypothetically speaking, okay,
make you sure, yeah, yeah, of course, of course I
know the game. But yeah, Benavite is a great fighter.
I hope he has a lot of success in the
light heavyweight class. I hope he fights and beats the
shit out of either better Be or be Ball in
(07:37):
the near future. So perps to you man, helps to
see you, helps to see you get bigger and bigger. Uh. Sunday,
February twod Clarissa Shield returns to the ring to fight
in her hometown of Flint against Daniel Perkins, who only
has a record of five and zero but is a
former basketball player over six feet tall, probably the most
physically imposing opponent Shield that has ever got up again.
(07:58):
So we've talked about Clarissa plenty on the show because
the bio picked the fire inside, which y'all should see.
Uh yeah, for this fight. You know, I just want
to reiterate what I've said before that let's not dismiss
opponents as like bums, tomato cans, uber drivers, whatever, just
think because they don't have a long resume, anything can
happen to boxing. An upset is always on the table,
and a great fighter can always have an off.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Night, right, always always not focused, taking someone lightly, et cetera,
et cetera. Next you know you're in a fight, a
close fight in round eight. You just never know how
these things work out. So never taken too lightly, Shields
should win, but you know, you just never know. You
never know.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, So you know I'm rooting for and I'm rooting
for women's boxing, so you know, please watch support and
let's get more ladies out there on the ring.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Let's get us scrapping absolutely.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Speaking of scraps, I wanted to mention online one this
is more for fun between Devin Haney and Serves Sloane.
I'll put on my Jay Leno voice, cheer about this,
care about this.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
I've seen the hangings on social media for the last month.
I've seen the dad, I've seen the sun, I've seen
different things. It's getting out of hand. Why get back
in the ring?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Sure this one, I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and
give get on Haney side a little bit because what
happened is that Stolene had a TikTok video from last year.
The resurfaced on you know, some some boxing account or whatever.
He was showing off some gloves that he used to
wear when he was filming Rocky and he said, I
got the code here.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Uh, they don't even allow these today because they're so dangerous.
That's what they that's what they use when I did
the film. They're billy six ounces. They're literally lethal. Is
the time when people were tougher, sorry they were, Life
is getting easier and easier and easier, man.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So David Hayney on Twitter said, dude, don't know a
left frock from a fish hook, which is kind of funny.
He got the nervous speak on times being easier in boxing,
like he wasn't just an actor buddy them Rocky movies
wasn't real, which.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
I know.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
There's nothing I hate more than like the grampies talking
about how people used to be tougher and kids these
days there's so soft. But man, shut up, like you're
you're basically just giving yourself credit for your generation, and
you know two layers you want to talk about boxing
maybe being tougher, being fifteen rounds, people using different good
things change because people fucking died. You know, boxing has been,
(10:17):
has always been a dayier sport. It always will be.
But that doesn't mean we think the sport is better
when there's a higher number of dead fighters. Do we like?
Speaker 2 (10:25):
No, it's like anything else. Still the air of the sport.
Everyone from there are thinks it was the toughest, it
was the hardest, et cetera, et cetera. So you talk
to a football fan, they're going to say football in
the seventies and eighties was tougher than it is now,
saying thing with basketball and baseball. That's just how it goes.
But also technology evolves. Information to evolved, So the information
technology we have now is way better than it was
(10:45):
thirty forty fifty years ago. So we're able to put
that in place and make things easier for our athletes
to box. And that's kind of where we're at with things.
So unfortunately, some people were just born at the wrong time.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Sure, I mean, but at the same time, yeah, you
learn and adapt. That's kind of what we're all supposed
to do, is people as a society, So just not
just stuck living in the past, I think. And Plus,
if Stallone is talking about how the world and society
at large things are just easier, all I'll say is
kids in school these days do active shooter drills. And
the reason Stillone probably considers themselves so tough is because
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he had to grow up watching black people move into
his neighborhoods. Yes, I said it.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, I mean, it's the generation that he comes from
is different. You know, they view things a lot different
than we do. So I don't agree with his stance,
but I'm not totally surprised either.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Sure, sure, I mean, yes, you're never surprised when a
granpy says we were twofer back then.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
That's correct.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
So yeah, that's kind of the just kind of trying
to pick some headlines off of the Boxing Gazette that
I think you're interesting to talk about. Let's move on
to a topic that I've been reading about that I
don't know how significant it is, Jamison, definitely want to
get your take on what this means for the boxing world.
Boxing broadcasts, you know. So, there's several boxing promotional companies
(12:01):
out there today. The one that's probably best known as
Top Rank. They've been around since the seventies. They promoted
fighters that practically everyone has heard of, even if you
don't watch boxing, Muhammad Ali, George Furman, and Pacquiel Mayweather,
so many others.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So they got a.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Contract it with their fights to air their fights on ESPN.
They've been with them since the eighties, broke things off
of the nineties, got back together in twenty seventeen, blah
blah blah. So the contract is going to be up
this year, and there is a hints the rumors word
on the street that Top Rank has its eye, its
wandering eye on a sexy young British streamer named the Zone,
(12:37):
who we've talked about before. So yeah, I mean the
possibility of Top Rank no longer showing its fights on
ESPN and going to a streamer only because the Zone
is you know, it's an app and it's also subscription only.
I don't know. I have mixed feelings about this. What
are your thoughts on it? I know there have been
different kinds of you know, changes in contracts, broadcast, et cetera.
(12:57):
Give me, give me your thoughts on this.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
The fan needs to know that it's very expensive to
throw a boxing mat or provide or you know, host
a boxing event. It's very expensive. It's even more expensive
to showcase it and do it repeatedly over a year.
So that being said, I can see why ESPN is
getting out of the business if certain fights aren't being made,
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if they're not making the return they need to make,
then they're going to get out. However, Amazon, Dozone, Apple TV,
all those need content. So if you're saying that the
Zone is getting boxing, that's perfectly fine. I get that.
If other streamers want to come in as well, OXY
that as well. Because what happens is they all those
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platforms need live content. Even though the events are expensive
to host, they need live content. So it makes perfect sense.
Why the streaming services say, hey, you know what, once
it deals over, will take care of you because it's
cheaper for us to air the fights on our platform,
that is for ESPN, and do it. So it all
makes sense. It totally makes sense. And it's also it's
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the norm because every other sport is doing the same thing.
Everything's being streamed now, everything has streaming options. A lot
of networks along other ways are not investing as much
money or whatever it may be. So this is a
sign of the times. It's a sign of the times.
I feel sorry for older people who aren't technological savly
because they're used to just turning on channel and watching
an event. Now they got to download an app or
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wait for a stream to pop up, and that's not
necessarily their strengths.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Well, everything you're saying is pair. Yes, it is the
sign of the times. However, you did make a very
good point, or a very important point. I have to
mention you said everything has streaming options. ESPN has a
streaming option in ESPN plus this is going to go
all streaming. And I'm not even worried so much about
the grand piece. Honestly, my thoughts on it were the people.
(14:54):
We've talked about how more people should be getting into boxing.
We should be doing everything we can to expand the sport. Right,
core fans will follow it anywhere you put it on,
any app, any streaming service, whatever it is, will follow.
But for the people that don't, letsten let's there's three
categories of people that don't follow boxing. People who cut
Number one as people cut the cord, don't have cable
and also don't watch sports at all, so they pay
(15:15):
for Netflix HBO. They don't care about sports. They're practically unreachable,
you know, which is fine. Number two is people who
don't care about sports but still have basic cable and
then maybe they pay for like HBO. Three is people
who love sports but have never seen a boxing match.
I know people like that who are obsessed with the NFL,
NBA or baseball if they're a fan of napping, but
they've never seen a match. So we can write off
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number one as potential boxing fans. But what if we
could convince people from group two or three to watch
a match for whatever reason? Maybe we talk about it,
you know on social media.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
You know there's this cool fight.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Maybe a dude try to impress a babe who's into
combat sports. If someone has, you know, a basic cable,
they just turn on ESPN on Friday or Saturday, right
or and then the people who like sports and don't
watch boxing, they probably have ESPN Plus anyway.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Right absolutely, But also think it like this. Everything is
going towards streaming. That's just how it is. But the
best way of item grows or it gets legs it
is when it's on the regular TV, like we grew
up with boxing being on CBS and ABC. When you know,
that's how and eventually ESPN and then pay per view.
(16:23):
These young kids know nothing about that. The younger generation
has no idea about that. Their biggest thing was when
when they took over for PBC, they start putting things
on Fox and CBO. They did that for a while.
It wasn't necessarily giving them money they thought it was,
and they were paying the fighters way too much, so
they didn't quite last. But that would be the ideal situation.
(16:47):
Going to streaming is tough because you gotta really if
you really want to watch something, you'll find it. So
streaming is cool, but you really x out a lot
of people that are casual people because they're not going
to go to an extra mile to view something you told.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Like I said a couple of the people that I
mentioned in those last two categories, you have to download
a whole less other app to watch a fight. They're done,
they're done listening. And Plus, another thing we've said before
is not a lot of fights really permeate the zeitgeist,
the public consciousness. You know, it's gonna be Paul Logan
and his clown brother. It's going to be you know,
Deontay Wilder Fury three, that was everywhere. But if someone
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he's like, wow, there's so many people talking about Fury
Wildther three, I should check it out. Oh eighty dollars
pay per view. Fought that right, you know which? Fine,
you know it's only very few people are going to
do something like that. But if they're curious about the
sport and yeah, you just turn to flip a channel,
I think it's gonna it might make the world of
boxing less accessible. And I don't know, I don't know
(17:46):
if you think maybe that it's not gonna matter that
much for the fandom that it has for it to grow.
It hasn't been growing that much anyway, so what does
it matter. I don't know, I mean, is the sport
going to be in trouble if it becomes harder and
hard en iof I in the future.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
So here's the situation a sports that we're gonna be
in trouble. We've been talking about boxing is dead for
thirty years now, so we're not true. We're not going
to go there through it will be fine. The issue
is this, we need more transcendent boxers, not just guys
that go viral because they're dumb. We need guys to
be good and be viral and be good like if
(18:22):
Tank Davis was had a better personality and could be marketable,
that would be better. But those things aren't available at
this time. So here we are. If Devin Haney can
actually fight with the way he looks, we would be
in a better shape. But that's not the case. We
need more guys that the public knows off of name
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and what they do, not naming what they've done off
the ring or outside of the ring, or what their
parent has done. We need more people to be like, oh,
that's Devin Haney, he's undefeated, blah blah blah, he's really
good at boxing, he's twenty whatever, he looks good, etc.
We need that. And it's funny because we watched a
movie that we're gonna coverlater on where one of the
boxers in that movie had that look that transcended to
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all parts, you know. So it's funny how boxing was
thirty forty years ago when you had an athlete that
people knew. Now the average person doesn't know the athletes.
And a big part of it is how the how
the sport is covered and how it's marketed well.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
And I think to the issues that everybody A lot
of fans have been said saying that, you know, well,
if everything is on the don because the Zone owns
a bunch of other promoters, like they own Matchhrow Boxing,
they have Goldenboy Promotions. They think if everybody's going to
be on the Zone, it's going to be easier to
make big fights and everybody's gonna I I think people
think that this is something that it's not. Sean Porter
(19:45):
actually made a very good point when he was talking
about this. They said, oh, everybody's under the same umbrella.
He said, there's a difference between being under the same
umbrella and the same platform versus the same platform, And
this is what this is. Being under the same umbrella
means Top Rank buys all these other promoters and they
own it. Like speaking of ESPN, they're own by Disney,
so is Fox, so is ABC. They're under the same umbrella.
(20:08):
If Top Brank goes to the Zone, that just means
they'll be on the same platform with other promoters. Yeah,
they can work together, but that doesn't mean that they will.
That they'll collaborate. Might be a little easier because they
don't have to negotiate where these fights are streaming. But
I don't see that this is going to be the
golden era of like all the best fighters are gonna
fight everybody because they're all on the zone.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Honestly, my biggest thing is how is it marketing? Right?
Like the fights being wherever is fine because they're marketing well,
people will go anywhere to watch. How are they marketing?
How are they cross marketed? And are they going to
be on podcasts? Am I gonna get as when I'm
listening something totally different and then it pops up on
a podcast, as it's gonna be on radio? Is it
gonna be on sporting events? On TV? It's gonna be
on side? Those are my questions. How are they gonna
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be marketed because the one thing ESPN, Fox, et cetera
do well is they market the fights when you're watching
something else. So there's a basketball game on, you get
the you know, the pre pre marketing situation saying hey
check out this Saturday, such and such takes on such
and such for the WBC. Those are things that are
needed when it comes to boxing. You got to do
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that because casual fans will tune in if they know,
but if they don't know, they're not going to tune in.
So those are things that I look forward to, Like,
how's it going to be marketing? Or you're going to
change the ways of marketing if be'cially, if you do stream,
you gotta do a lot more directly to consumer're not necessarily
a broad thing. So you may have things that go
to someone's phone. You may have something where a banner
comes down someone's phone every other day talking about, hey,
(21:31):
don't forget this fine on this night. You know. So
those are things I'm more worried about, is how's it
going to be marketed to the part to the people,
not necessarily where they're gonna be located at.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, I don't see. I'm not optimistic that they're going
to do a lot of great marketing for you know,
so probably should have started this. But The Zone is
a British app. They do broadcast number two hundred countries.
Let's see, they got about two million subscribe twenty million subscribers,
my bad. They're worth about three million British queenie books.
And it's a popular app, but I don't know of
(22:06):
a lot of people like I think it's biggest claim
to fame is that it shows the NFL in in England,
you know, and then they promote Canelo, you know, and
stuff like that. But I'll give a very very personal,
just anecdotal situation. So I was in London twenty twenty
two and that weekend where it was Dmitri Povile versus
(22:27):
Zordla Ramirez and I go to a footy pub my
first night and I'm talking to the bartenders and I said, hey,
you know this is closest sports pub to my to
where I'm staying. Or do you all play boxing? Here's yeah,
yeah absolutely. It's like, oh is this fight on Saturday?
If I come back? You know, do you guys know
if you're playing it? Bartender? Really cool guy, says, Oh,
don't worry about it, might you know, you just tell
the bartender that it's on. We'll put it on one
of the queens for you, all right, come back. The
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guy was like, oh, is it on Sky Sports? I'm like, no,
it's on the Zone. And he's like, what is that.
I'm like, that's it's your guys, Like these are your guys,
Like what are you talking about? What is that? So
I told him, I said, it's it's this fighter, this Fighter.
It's in Saudi Arabia. It's about now. And he's like, na, man,
if it's not on sky Sports, I don't, we don't,
we can't put it on. So I was actually surprised,
you know, being an ignorant American abroad, I'm like, you
(23:12):
all know fucking this the Zone app, it's got the
dumb name, it's got all your it's all your guys,
So like, why why didn't a sports club in London
know about it? So very anecdotal, like I said, but
that's even worse. If I'm here at a you know,
at a Buffalo Wild Wings talking to somebody about a
match on Saturday on the Zone.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
You know what I mean? Right right? Right? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
It's kind I kind of worry about that promotion and
how well people know it and if they're already streaming
in two hundred countries and they have because they don't
just have combat sports, they have a lot of different
kinds of sports. So how much are they really really
gonna focus on boxing going forward? Like I said, I'm
not very optimistic.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
I don't know. If you feel maybe there is a
chance there's hope.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
You tell me, I gotta see who's in charge of
the operation. That would tell me a lot and what
their experience is, right, because if they have boxing experience,
i'd be cool. But if you're telling me somebody from
tennis or golf or whatever is running the show, then
it's gonna be rough, and then the marketing is gonna
be weird, like and I would wouldn't have that much hope.
But we'll see, We'll definitely see. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I mean, I think another sort of like mark against
them is that I don't think you and I knew
how to pronounce the name of the app for a
long time, even though we watch boxing on you know,
boxing matches they broadcast.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
So absolutely absolutely yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
But we'll see I mean figures crossed. I uh, I
of course will watch boxing wherever it goes. But I'm
you know, the part of doing the show too is
kind of spread the word, trying to get some a
couple of folks to check out a match whenever they can.
And I think this is gonna make my personal job harder.
So I don't know, but maybe we'll get some amazing
fights that everybody's gonna hear about. And we.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Will always, no matter what channel things are wrong, will
always get amazing fights.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
The thing that's got to happen is the Monday afterwards,
you go to work, you go somewhere, you go to
the gym, and you're like, did you see the Canili
fight from over the weekend. That's what's got to continue
happening kind of a thing. So yeah, but yeah, like
I said, we're in the area of streaming, and uh,
you know, I'm sure we're here, but by physical media,
folks buy movies and TV shows on disc. This is
(25:16):
my personal gospel here ownership forever. Don't let streaming service
possibly take it from you. We've basically lost the battle.
But there are things on streaming that are here one
day and gone the next. And even there are stories
when people buy movies and TV shows on like Amazon
Prime and some sort of contract gets you know, canceled,
lost or whatever, and now that shit has gone even
(25:38):
though you paid for it. So I'm a big supporter
of physical media, both in movies, TV shows and newdi mags,
as we already spoke about as Wow. All right, Next
up our recurring segment called pop Pugilism, where we discuss
the movie your TV show related to boxing. Today we're
talking about Hens of Stone from twenty sixteen rated R
(25:59):
for language violence, Titties. Directed by Jonathan Jikubuwicks. It stars
Edgar Amirez, Robert de Niro, Added Armis, and Usher Raymond
Fourth who yes is the singer Usher, which I didn't
know before I watched the movie. By the way, that
was his real name. So the movie is a biopic
about Roberto Duran. Before we get into the movie, I
just want to give some quick facts about him. Roberto
(26:19):
Duran boxer from Panama, born in nineteen fifty one. He
was most active in the seventies and eighties, but this
guy kept boxing until two thousand and one. Yep, his
nickname was Manos de Piada which means hens of stone
because he was a very heavy hitter, but he also
had excellent defense. But the poor bastard is still to
this date most well known for a second fight in
nineteen eighty against Sugar Ray Leonard, where he gave up
(26:40):
in round eight and supposedly, supposedly there are conflicting stories,
Duran said, Nomas Nomas, which means no more.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
So we'll talk a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
More about that fight in a second, but first I
want to ask Jamison, what did you think of the movie?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Good movie, like really good movie for what it was.
It was very good. I remember when I first came out,
but then like rewatch it again. It was cool, like
it did a very good job of telling the story
and like from the beginning and then the gradualness out
of where you wound up bad and I enjoyed that.
(27:13):
But like most boxers to that air, they grow poor.
Like boxing is not a it's not an elite sport.
It's the sport you get into because you ain't got
to know the choice, and when you're in a third
world country, you definitely don't have another choice. So it's
still a Mango is the Fetus family man and as
a as a kid and going from there getting in
(27:34):
trouble and got good hands, ran to somebody that could
utilize him and can figure out how to make the
best of a situation. The next thing you know, he's
boxing early and whopoping ass and taking names. And it
was just very fascinating how the whole thing and they
got personality right. There's a lot of little things that
were really good. It was very detailed, it was very organized.
(27:54):
I appreciated the thoroughness of the movie. That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Yeah, okay, I did enjoy it. I'm maybe a little
less hot on it than you are, you know, I
think I think the first half was a lot better
than the second. I did like that they started off
in Panama, showed the stripes that he grew up in,
and kind of informed him as an adult. It is
very formulaic, like a lot of sports movies are. But
now that we've been watching a bunch of boxing movies,
(28:20):
I'm like, all right, I see it is plug and play.
It is like kind of a one size fits all script,
and it's like it's fine, you know, it's a little
it's hard. And that's why I really like the Clear
the Shields movie. Because it did do something a little
different and showed what happened after the match, and that
was kind of the crux of the story. But but
you know, the movie was good. It was I didn't
think it was bad. I didn't hate it. John Deturo
(28:43):
was in it for a little bit. He's always welcome, Yeah,
he he was a mob guy. Robert de Niro I
thought was a little little flat, just a little coasting
in his older age, you know, just kind of yeah, yeah,
he's you know, he's cashing a paycheck, he's still doing it.
Good for him. But it was really anything like, holy
shit to Nero's in this movie, this is awesome. They
(29:05):
did a whole thing in the middle where apparently his
his like a strange daughter came in the picture out
of nowhere, and you're sup, it didn't really fit in anything.
It's like, what movie am I watching now? Is it
the Nero story? Like, that's not it's not this guy's movie.
He did have a lot as and sorry. DeNiro was
Roberto Duran's trainer ray ourself, so a legendary trainer. Uh so,
(29:26):
of course he's very involved in the movie, but they
kind of didn't need to bring in his personal life. Really,
I think they could have cut that out and we
would have been fine. We've had a good story. But
and I'll say this, I think it gives me a
good sense of Roberto Duran, the guy. Maybe not a
good sense of Roberto and the boxer, his legacy. You know,
(29:47):
the fights were a little like Montagee and it does,
like other boxing films, does burn through, you know, a
big chunk of history for time's sake. But I don't know, I,
like I said, hate it, didn't love it. I do
want to talk about that sugar Ley Renard Sugar Ray
Leonard fight though specifically. So yeah, say I'll say this
(30:09):
before we get into that. The movie does definitely give
Roberto Duran a lot of leeway on that. You might
even say a lot of excuses. But yeah, he the
thing you hear about Roberto Duran. You heard no moss again,
A lot of people that don't know about boxing know
that shit that he gave up and round eight. So
the stories are that he just couldn't handle it. Sugar
(30:31):
Ray Leonard was two gun on his feet, was too fast,
too slick. Duran said, you know, he had to lose
a lot of weight, but a short period. He wasn't
feeling well. He wasn't he was unhappy that Sugar Ray
was too fast on his feet and wasn't actually fighting,
he was dancing or whatever called the mcclown. The movie
definitely was on his side on all that. It gave
(30:53):
all of that setup. So but yeah, I mean, what
do you think, jameson how it's your take on that,
on that legacy of his.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
So it was funny because in this day and age,
if a guy was sixty days out and not in shape,
they would make up a random injury and give him
more time. That's what I was waiting for, right because
like we've always heard somebody turned an ankle, or somebody
bump knees with somebody in sparring and now they're out
two months whatever whatever. That When you have an experienced
promotional company, that's where it's supposed to step in, like, hey,
(31:21):
I know we agreed to a deal, but he got hurt.
You buy more time to get in shape. You're rushing
a guy that is not mentally there. It was doomed
for disaster. So this did take place, and it happens.
I also think that we forget the athletes are people too, Like,
I think that's something we all forget, right, Like athletes
(31:42):
are humans and if something's not right, it ain't right
and if nothing you can do about that. This situation,
unfortunately one he was losing the fight. Even on the
actual scorecard if you go back, he was down all
not significantly, but he was down like he was losing.
I think it was like eighty six or eighty five
or something like that. It wasn't like anything crazy, but
it was, you know, it was enough to wear he
(32:03):
was down. But also, here's the thing. Boxing is something
you can't fake. You can't be halfway in. You can't
be kind of pregnant. You either all in or you
all out. And once you get to a point of
being all out, that's what happens. Now You're also facing
a Hall of fame opponent who's very athletic and motivated
at that. So all those things, it's like, yeah, and
(32:26):
you're out of shape, Like you're out of shape and
you gotta do something that requires you to be in shape.
Not a good sign. In adversity, his money not a
good sign.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I was walking the dog and the dog wanted to run.
I was like, okay, I'll try to keep up with
you while out of shape, and that fucking sucked. Imagine
being in a ring with Sugar Ray Leonard for fifteen downds.
My god, No, yeah, I actually have you watched the
actual match like on YouTube? Yes, yeah, I watched it
too before this, And yeah, I mean you could tell
Sugar Ray Leonard was out boxing Duran like he was
(32:57):
too fast on his feet, and it could be this
whole like old school of like, well he's dancing and
the coop here to fight. Now, man, that's part of
it too. Footwork is very important part of it being
a boxer, and if you can't keep up with it,
you can't keep up with it, you know. Don't don't
say that he's like bad at boxing or not boxing
because he's you know, light on his feet, you know,
and so the reason you jump rope passhole. So but
(33:18):
but yeah, he did say Robert orand did say that.
He never actually said the words nomas. He said he
was sitting no siego, no sigo, which means I won't
go on. That could be a technicality. I just think
if it's true that he never said it, it sucks
that that's what you're known for. They even call it
the Nomas fight, so that I think that kind of sucks.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Rap songs Jay Z said it like twenty five years ago.
It's just one of those things where it's known and
he's known as the guy as that, and it's never
good since boxing is such a tough sport. When you're
known as a guy that did something untough, it's not
a good thing.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Lasila Macheko from Ukraine they say that when he was
I don't know if it was an amateur in this
early pro career, but they called him no Maschenko because
he beat his beat. His opponents asked so bad they
all gave up, so he got the dick same based
on this thing.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
So that's a little different. That's dope though, that's a
little different.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
True, true, Okay, I'm not saying that's a bad thing.
I'm just saying it sucks for Duran that like that's
what you're known for, even especially if you never it
was true, you never said it.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
But I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
I mean, like I said, the movie did give him
a lot of a lot of leeway on it, and
we'll never really know the truth. But if if I
were to put my money on something, it was that
he just couldn't handle Sugary Len because I did read
that after the first fight, Sugar Ray was like on him,
he was flat footed. He took those fights and I
(34:42):
saw some highlights on that. He took some fucking bombs.
He handled some of those, uh Duran bombs so well.
But in the second one he changed up his strategy,
so Duran wasn't ready for it. That's what I think.
I mean, still an amazing boxer at the time, you know,
probably one of the best in the world, and them
was the man you know, Uh, question for you because
(35:03):
we are the Mixed Company podcast. So Duran, you know,
amazing fighter from Panama, seemed to be unbeatable. What is
the sort of the legacy in the black community of
after he lust or was it like we got that motherfucker,
We got his ass.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Absolutely absolutely, no no doubt about it. Like that's especially
with that kind of fight, Absolutely no no doubt about it.
Plus it's also Sugarye is one of ours, like that's
us and he's on TV. He's at that time, Remember
he was covered differently. He was kind of like the
Golden Boy, you know. Uh, he had the look, he
had the style, he had the you know, the record.
(35:41):
He fought everybody as well too, So he was the guy.
He's the guy that the women knew. He was the
guy that the the the person who doesn't necessarily follow boxing.
They saw him, he had commercials. So it's a little
bit different than maybe somebody like Tom Hearns, you know
what I mean. So it's a little different, you know
what I mean. So that's where it's like, it's more
(36:01):
than just a boxing fan. It's the everybody involved that one.
So yeah, as a whole, most definitely gotcha.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah, well, you know the guys. The guy's still around,
he's still alive, and he recorded some salsa albums which
I listened to. Not bad, actually not bad.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
So yeah, you know, tell me a good job with boxing,
all things considered, for someone that's not an athlete, he
did as well as you can expect someone to do.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Absolutely. So yeah, the movie. You know, we rate these
films out of four gloves.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
What would you say, three point two five?
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Three point two five, I'd go like two point seventy five.
Like I said, that second half kind of it was rough.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
The second half was rough. I'm not gonna lie. It
was wrong.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Listen to I was, we completely forgot you know, Usher
as Sugar Ray Leonard. What did you think about that?
I was actually kind of impressed and with his portrayal
of it.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, it was very good. It was very good. A
lot of the I was I didn't know I just
had that in him. I was very impressed with everything
about it. Like we I mean, if you follow a
box of course you know about Sugary Leonard and you
know a lot of the things personal life, et cetera.
But just the way he acted about it was like
it would like a boxer would like you lose. Things happened,
but I need that fight right back, make that happen
(37:16):
right now. Like that was dope to see, Like that
was really cool.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
Yeah, I was impressed.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah, if you're if you're a boxer, you know Sugar
Ray Leonard. If you or if you're into boxing, you
know Sugar Eate Leonard. If you were alive in two
thousand and four, you know Usher, because that's when, yeah,
it came out and that shit was everywhere. Uh but yeah,
so yeah, no, I was, I was impressed. Like I said,
I didn't realize that he had it in him as
you did, you know, I know he did a couple
of acting roles, but what he was like in the
faculty when for you know, five minutes, so I think
(37:44):
that was the first thing he was in that was
a big deal at the time. But yeah, you know,
decent movie. Definitely, I'll finish off with this. If you're
a fan of Ana Datamus, definitely watch this movie and
I'll leave it at that. So yep, yep, all right,
let's move on to the mailback section. Got another one
from our our buddy here, Edwin l He's got a
(38:06):
fun one. Are you ready for this one? Jameson? All right?
Would you rather fight one heavyweight sized duck or one
hundred duck sized heavyweights? Me? So, I guess you'd have
to pick a heavyweight first, but like.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
One, I'll do one one duck anything and take my chances.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
But what if it's a heavyweight the size of what
if it's the ducks the size of Tightson Ferior, it's
like six nine.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
I don't want a hundred.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
You can't win, But is it had it's not one
hundred ducks, it's a hundred dudes. Heavyweight fighters that are
the size of ducks. So you're still fighting little dudes,
you can.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
I don't want to. Yeah, I don't fight one whatever,
one of whatever that weighs two and eighty or I'll
pick my chances that.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Well, then that was easier than I expected. I thought
you were gonna be a little more.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
I don't want a hundred things. You can't fighting a
hundred little kids. You can't win. You can't. You can't
them all at once.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Sure, but I'm willing to find out if that's the case.
But when it comes to ducks, yeah, I guess you're right.
Like a duck, here's the thing. I would pick a
duck that is the size of Mike Tyson because he's
like the only halfway that I can think of off the
top of my head that's under six feet tall. I
think he's like five ten. I'm a five nine, So
you know, like duncan I'll take yeah, yeah, like one
(39:21):
one Mike Tyson sized duck. He's weighs as much as
he does. But you know, I don't know, Bob and
weaves through the bill or the neck or whatever, kind
of go low and try to get the neck because
there's a lot of neck on that fucker. So right, Yeah,
but you don't think it's easy to just kick over
like one hundred.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Mike Tyson's nah, no, I'll take the one. I'll take
my chances.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
That's cool. I mean, I guess, yeah, I guess. People
don't really know how much one hundred things.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Are, right. You can't you can't do it. It's not possible. O.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
Good, all right, thank you, Edwin ll that's the question
I really appreciate. Really fucking stupid, but I appreciate it anyway.
So yeah, that's the show man that that was fun. Jamison.
Where can people find you?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
O social media at Twitter at the Jamison always looking
into talk people and have good fun there. And yeah,
it's gonna be very fun.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Come.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
We have a big year for boxing, a lot of big fights,
even though they might be on different streaming networks and
what now, it's gonna be a big year for boxing
no matter what. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Absolutely, And if you're kind of curious about some fights
they're big enough and you don't want to pay for
a streaming up a pay per view, you can always
find a bar, you know, to a sports bar. They're
playing those and that that's a lot of fun. I
do that whenever I can. So you right over there.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yeah, I'm good. I'm good. Went down with a lot
of went down the wrong.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Way, So you're scared of fighting those one hundred stuck
with you?
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (40:38):
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