TMCP Ep 9: Canelo Playing Chess Not Checkers

Classy and Jamieson are back to discuss the whirlwind of events surrounding Canelo's negotiations with the Paul brothers that led to a 4-fight deal that will include a likely September matchup with Terence Crawford.

This week's 'Pop Culture Pugilism' focus was on the 2002 film 'Undisputed'

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
In this corner standing it six foot five weight class
unknown hailing from Sin City, Las Vegas, Jamison Welch and
in this corner standing it five foot nine Wayne Town
with six wins.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Three losses, two arrests, four late.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Payments on student loans, and two total bankruptcies hits.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
The Classy I'll go home.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
All right. Welcome back to another episode of the Mixed
Company podcast.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
I'm one of your hosts, Jameson Welsh.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Of course, I'm joined by the classy alcoholic known as
Classy Classy. What's going on?

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Man?

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Man? It has been a wild week. I have been
traveling so right now I am literally recording this episode
from deep in the heart of Texas. Last week, I
was in Houston for my birthday, visiting family, stuffing my
fat face of craft beer and kicking seafood out to
Brash Brewer Brewing Company. Shout out to BB's Text Orleans restaurant.
Quick tip. If you order a beer on tap at

(01:07):
BB's and they ask if you want it large, do
not say yes unless you have a classy alcoholic level
drinking problem. I'm not kidding. They do not fuck around
when they see large beer in the state. Just want
to let you know that No.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Texas is a different place, man, Texas is a way
different place. First of all, having birthday, I played a birthday.
Thanks birthday, you know you enjoyed it and whatnot. But No,
Texas is a whole different category. Yeah, that's a whole
different place depending on where you're at. Every city, well
every metro city is different. But that's cool, it's good
to hear. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, And today I'm actually coming to you from Austin.
Been stuff in my fat face with barbecue and whiskey,
and well I'm here. Just got to say Governor Greg
Abbott and Attorney General Ken Paxton, fuck y'all. Y'all a
trash ted Cruz. Everybody hates you. So with that said,
before we get into the boxing news, I want to
quickly mention something I did or tried to do while
in town. If you all haven't listened episode seven of

(01:58):
the show, you definitely should miss and I went on
a deep dive on the story of Jack Johnson, a
boxer from Galveston, Texas, who fought in the early nineteen
hundreds the first black man ever become a heavyweight champion.
Please go back to that app you'll learn a lot,
and you'll know why this is show is rated E
for educational. So in Galveston they have a Jack Johnson
Memorial Park with a statue commemorating the man. Did you
know that Gibson?

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I did not know that until you visited, And I'm
glad they do, because he gets forgotten about when it
comes to our great boxers and great ex champions, former champions,
he gets forgotten about for whatever reason.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
So I'm glad you were able to go. I'm glad
you're able to point that out.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
We forget about our legends way too muchos.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
A lot of guys because you're not the best or
a top ten of all time.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
He's seeing that. We forget a lot of great fighters
and a lot of guys who are either in the
Hall of Fame or have a case be in Hall
of Fame, or his guys that are really really good,
we forget about them once they finished. So it was
dope to see that they have something for him.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, I mean, and the man literally made his Now
just boxing history, you know, American history of black history.
But however, the park, which they say is opening to
the public from eight thirty to five Galveston, is an
hour south of Houston, so I made the drive to
take a picture with the statue. I was there like
a three PM. But for some goddamn reason, the metal
gate around the park was closed, like it was chained up,

(03:17):
so I couldn't get close up to the statue like
usually like they have the gate, but it's open to
the public, So I don't know why that day it
would have been closed in the afternoon when I was there,
so I got a decent picture. I got zoomed enough
to get a decent shot of the statue. But I
posted on my Instagram and blue sky count so you
can see how far away, how far away was I was.

(03:40):
I was kind of pissed and I troubled all that
way just to be locked out from the statue. So
I don't know what was going on that day. I
bet it was probably racism and Governor Greg Abbot's fault, so.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Probably lack of staff. You know, the lack of staff
when it comes to things like that. You know, everybody's
cutting back and everybody's trying to, you know, get by
with a few estaff as possible, so that could definite
happens best when it comes to public parks. I understand that.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Sure, yeah, but yeah, it was really cool to see it,
you know, see in person. We just recorded the episode
a few weeks ago, so check out episode seven learn
about Jack Johnson, the boxing hero, boxing legend. So yeah,
with that said, you know, Stoke, this is our first
episode in February. It's a great month. It's my birthday month.
As we said, it's a Black history month. The super
Bowl was this past weekend. February fourteenth is Arizona Statehood

(04:25):
Day where I've lived for twenty years now. That's also
Valentine's Day. So you want to talk about what's popping
in the boxing world, Jamison.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
A lot going on, man, it's a lot. You know.
We can start wherever you want to start at.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
But well, I walked to the news stand this morning.
I wanted to buy some Newdi Max, but I'm pretty
sure that it is illegal in Texas. So I got
a coffee in aar fifteen and the latest issue of
the Boxing Gazette. So let's leave through and see what we
got who we got in the news here. First up,
if you're listening to this episode the day it drops
than tomorrow, February fourteenth, Valentine's day, there is going to
be a highly anticipated match between between Keishon Davis from

(04:59):
Virginia and Dennis Barncheck from Ukraine. Guys, this is the
chance to impress the hell out of your lady. Doesn't
matter if it's a first date or if you've been
married for years. Take your girl out to watch boxing.
The fight will be on ESPN, so any sports bar
should have been playing. She's gonna be impressed you took
her to watch the greatest sport in the world. Drinks
will be flowing. Even if she doesn't like boxing, She'll

(05:20):
get to watch a bunch of sweaty, jacked muscle dudes
fighting each other. She's gonna love it, trust me. So, Jamison,
are you excited about this fight?

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Definitely excited. I will caution you, though, make sure your
lady likes boxing or likes sports. Don't take her to
watch boxing. If she don't like sports, don't do that.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I disagree. I think I think you can introduce her
to the love of boxing by taking say hey, we're
going out. How about this, Say we're going out for
drinks to a sports bar. We're gonna hang out, and hey,
there's a boxing match. Check it out.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
So I can work, but women get bored rather quickly.
So this's caution.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I have to look. I love love, and I think
boxing is a great way to reduce just something a
new spice into the relationship. So I think, you know, yeah,
let's let's leave it up to the listeners. You know,
shout us out at letters at mixcopodcast dot com. Let
us know, does your lady like boxing? You take them
out to matches? You it as a couple.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
I will say taking a lady to an actual boxing event,
that's something that is something I would do because then
she's not a fan. She will be there, she'll be
interested in it, the whole atmosphere and environment.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Watch it on TV a little bit different.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Sure, well yeah, don't not just at home, like go somewhere,
I think. But but yeah, anyway, about this fight, so
it's a little personal for me because Dennis Baroncheck defeated
Mexican boxer and Manuela Marette in May of twenty twenty four,
and I'm still kind of mad about it. They're both
great fighters, but in the spirit of mixed company, because
a Mexican guy lost to Dennis Baroncheck, I would always

(06:53):
rather route for the black American guy over the Ukrainian
to win, So I don't know, that's that's me guy. Sorry,
sorry to the people of Ukraine.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
I mean, I mean, sound's about an eight to one favorite,
meaning you got to back eight hundred dollars to one
hundred back. So that kind of tells you what kind
of fight it should be. There's always upsets, you know,
but this should go a certain way on Friday.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
But yeah, that's kind of how it is.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
I think he's gonna get some revenge for what happened
in the past for you.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Sure, yeah, I mean, just for context, this fight is
a lightweight which is a max of one thirty five pounds,
and Melonda Verrette one championship w bill belts at one
two twenty six and one thirty. But then he went
up to one thirty five and just couldn't get the win,
which goes to show that going up even one weight
class can be difficult and risky for a fighter to do.
Maybe that'll be relevant to a conversation we'll have later
on the show. I don't know, we'll see, I'll think so.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
And by the way, on the betting aspect, I would
love to bet on this fight, but guess what. It's
illegal in Texas. And even though I have a DraftKings
account in Arizona, they track your GPS and that shit
does not fly here.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
How long are you in Texas for but another week
or so? Why don't you just have someone else log
into your fan duel count back home and make the
bet for you.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
I don't trust anybody to do that, man, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
They can't do a whole lot. It just make the bet.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
There's not a lot they can do.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, I guess, I just I just don't like I
don't like anybody having any log in information, you know me.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
I'm just change the password and get home.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
Baby.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
Maybe we'll do that. We'll see, we'll figure it out.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
But not rocket science.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
It's the principle of the matter. God damn it. I
should be able to gamble. Texas always goes on about
how free they are, but you know liquor stores that
can't be open on Sundays. Car dealerships in Texas, they
can't be open Saturday and Sundays. Mind you, they have
to pick one day. They have to be closed one day.
No gambling cats my weed. So you know, it's only
the freedom to buy guns. And that's it.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
That's the money's too big.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
You got to hit the state anyway. Next up, quick
recap on the fight between David Benavidez and David Morrell
Junior that happened on February first, which will lead naturally
into our next topic. I went to my to my
favorite sports bar in Tucson to check it out, the Neighborhood,
dopest Mexican sports bar in the ghetto with the best
bar foot I've ever had. Got a margarita flight. They

(09:09):
call it a hood rita. There are four different types.
If you think that they're these tiny little shits to know,
you'd be wrong because they're basically four full margarita glasses.
So shout out to the neighborhood as always love. But yeah, Jameson,
did you watch the Bena Vida fight?

Speaker 3 (09:23):
Did watch the fight? Watch every fight? I almost went.
I had a last second invite. I had a last
second invite, but I wasn't able to make it shake.
But no, I love fights in Vegas. Always get people
coming in town that are in the industry. Yeah, yeah,
I got a good ticket for you. But it's like,
you know, you gotta be down here the next thirty minutes.

(09:44):
If you're already doing something.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
It's kind of rough.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
But watched the fight. It's always good. But vina'sa care business,
you know. Uh, no surprise those shot uh one fifteen,
one eleven.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
I believe on two of the cards. If I'm not mistaken,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
I don't have a written down. Sorry, hell yeah, that
was you know, all right?

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Whatever, But it was a good fight, good tune up fight,
good good stay active fight. I think we need more
of those from our guys, from our elite guys who
need more stay active fights. That's what this was, and
it was cool. He's waiting for a particular someone. I
don't know if he's gonna get that particular someone anytime soon.
However he does, it won't be in America, So we'll

(10:25):
see what happens to how that goes about.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Well, I think, uh, I think David Benavitez's next step up.
And he said to himself he wants the winner of
the Dmitri bevol versus Arthur Beeterbev sorry better Beev fight.
When I first saw better Beev's name written in my head,
I went Beeter Beev. I think and it's taken forever.

(10:48):
I still haven't gotten rid of it obviously, so apologies
to to the chap there, But yeah, you know this,
this last fight between Bevil and Better Beev was excellent.
I'm excited about this. It's a rematch happening on February
twenty second. Then, yeah, you know, da've ben a vida.
Call it the I got next clause if you want,

(11:08):
do you think he's got the skills to challenge guys
at that elite level, because both of those guys are
elite guys.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
Definitely has the skills. Like you said, it's more, it's
more long you said, moving.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Up and weed. It's always tricky, right, whenever you move up,
and also when you move up in talent as well,
when you go and fight more talented guys while moving up,
that's a very big challenging it self. Also, some guys
moving up translates well, some guys.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
It's just a struggle.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Whatever it is, whether it's the bodies is not the same,
the condition's not the same, the power is not the same.
So we're interesting to see how the training goes. I'm
always interested to see how the training goes when you're
moving up, and also where the mental is when you're
facing more talented guys, because when you're facing a guy
that's a keep me busy fight, the mental is not
the same. You're not preparing the same, but you're fighting

(11:56):
for a better, more talented, upper echelon fighter. That's when
you know if you're or not, if you stay focused
and whatnot, all the things I look for when guys fight,
when guys go up.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
In town, So we'll see.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
I definitely cannot wait because there's more fights to be made,
and I'm glad we're getting a little more active as
this year's getting along.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Sure, yeah, and you know glad the Benevidas decided to
move up instead of waiting for Canelo, who may come
up in this conversation in conversation during this episode later
we'll see, but not sure there's anything going on with
him in the news. Let's let's keep scrolling to the gazette.
But yeah, before that, like I said, February twenty second
in Saudi Arabia, to meet your BEIVO from Russia Archer

(12:35):
better Biev also from Russia, but moved to Montreal, Canada
to pursue a professional career. This one is also personal
because Beivol is the only the second person ever to
defeat Canelo overs the first being Floyd Mayweather. And it
happened right after Canelo became the super middleweight undisputed champion
when he when he beat Hillbilly Kayleb Plant. So watching
his fight against Plant was one of the best nights

(12:56):
of my life and then that Vivo fight was one
of the worst. I got you, I got you Sinco
to Mayo, Yes, because yeah, because Caleb Plant was supposed
to be September of the year before negotiations fell through.
Then it came back like November, right, That's right, story
is you know Canelo was was injured. Maybe, yeah, competition

(13:18):
was too elite, Bevo was too big.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I I was a total Bevall hater who was happy
that he lost to better be If in their first matchup, honestly,
but but by the time the final bell rang, I
felt like it could have gone either way. You know,
Bevoll is a great fighter. You can tell how much
I've grown as a sports commentator because as a Canelo fanboy,
I used to spit on the floor when I heard
that man's name. But you got to give credit where
credits due.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, don't it. Don't be like that, like you got it,
you know, don't get mad because your guy couldn't come through.
You gotta respect, you gotta respect the greatness of the opponent.
Sometimes it sucks, but it's not that it happens that way.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Well.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Being said, though, we still need to make more fights, right,
and you know what, let me ask you a question.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
How do you feel about the fights in Dubai and
Saudi and all that?

Speaker 2 (14:03):
How do you feel about those just in general that
the fights are happening over there?

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, how do you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
You know, let's let's let's put a pin on that
for now, because I got some thoughts to thoughts on.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
I was gonna do that because we're going into a topic.
That's why I want to ask you.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Okay, sure, sure, yeah, I mean it's I'm a mixed feelings.
You know. The one thing, you know, money talks, and
the Saudi's are putting a lot of money into boxing. Yes,
let's be real. They're doing it to get attention, move
attention away from their human rights abuses, which not even
to say that, to be like, oh, this your row
a miracle of this country, so our country is a

(14:37):
racist police state too, and we do terrible ship. We
just we just look down on other Middle Eastern countries
because they're brown when they do fucked up ship. Let's
be real about it. So, you know whatever, it's a
it's a it's a it's a closed case, you know.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Saudi Arabia has been trying to promote you know, culture entertainment.
They've opened things up with concerts. You know, Toby Keith
played for them, and they're big launch to they call
it a Saudi Vision twenty thirty. A subsidiary of that
is the Riad season boxing. So I don't think that
there's the you can' un ring that bell you know

(15:13):
who else? Oh god, They've had shows from Shakira, you know,
and Riki Glacia is like all over the world. You know,
They've gotten these artists, huge artists to just say, hey man,
Saudi Arabia is cool. So my biggest concern with boxing
specifically is that they're getting a little too too much
involved in all aspects of it, where boxing is basically

(15:36):
going to be mostly Saudi controlled. Is my work? Do
you know what? You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Yeah, when I saw you know, when we see the
deal that we saw last week about where three of
the fights are going to be out of four in
the contract. It was like, all right, but here's the thing.
Where's the money coming from this country to pay the gods?
But they used to being paid, you know, like the
PBC thing. We don't talk about it, enow. That put

(16:00):
a lot of money in guys pockets. It was good
and bad thing. It was good because guys got paid.
They're finding on network TV, et cetera, et cetera. The
bad part was guys are getting paid, they're being lazy
and only fighting one year or fighting one you know,
they're fighting people that they knew they can beat, and
they were not taking any good fight until they're absolutely

(16:21):
forced to. So I get why the fights are going over.
I get why the sidis are involved. I understand it.
I have a love hate relationship with it. I don't
want to go out the human rights SOLF. That's not
my We have issues here or the whole world has issues.
I'm not gonna get into that. However, there's nothing that
replaces a big fight night in Vegas. There's nothing. I'm

(16:42):
glad the big rumored fight is going to take place
here in September. I'm glad that's going to happen, because
you can't take that and put it somewhere in the
middle of the world.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
That don't work that way.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
However, going forward, it's gonna be unfortunate that a lot
of the fights that were gonna be in La New York, Vegas,
wherever they were going to be in class situations, are
probably going to be in overseas.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
That's what probably is not right. But here we are,
and that's kind of like you mentioned, guys, and all
the money goes right now, that's what the money is going.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
I I don't it doesn't bother me at all that
more fights are in Saudi Arabia whatever. It's fine, you know,
but boxing is a global sport. Every country has a boxer.
But I don't like that so many more so many
of the big ones just are there, you know. Kind
of yeah, forgetting about Vegas even Madison Square Garden, that
kind of thing. Yeah, I mean the thing about the

(17:33):
Saudi money being involved in boxing again, let's yeah, let's
just kind of not worry about the Saudi Arabin's history
of human rights abuse for the moment. My thing is
that Riat season they paid for the Zone to stream
their fights exclusively, so they've got some stake in the zone.
The Zone, like we talked about in our last episode,

(17:54):
could potentially sign Top Rank who's leaving ESPN. So now
all of that is under that same or So what
about everybody else? You know, the the Keisha Davis fight
that I mentioned earlier. You know, my plan is, uh
some romantic plans to go find a sports bar and
watch that on on on Valentine's Night, But any sports
bar will have ESPN. You know, the one thing I

(18:16):
like doing is just going to a bar, sometimes even
a dive bar where the bartender is cool. I'm like,
can you please just switch the channel to a boxing match?
I want to watch that. We were not going to
be able to do that when Top Rank is with
the own some random, you know, neighborhood corner bar, isn't
going to be.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
Able to very very very rare for that happened.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
So yeah, so then cut to you know, fights in
time zones that you know, with Saudi Arabia's not too
bad because most of it's during the day on a Saturday,
but you know, yeah, the Saturday night fights, the big
deals Friday nights in Vegas. In New York. Uh, I
just worry that we're gonna lose that way too much.
And well, I mean same yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
Here because a lot of the tourists, so whenever there's
a big fight here. The reason why the promotional companies
and these federations are able to pay the boxers and
the networks so much money is because the tourism department
of each city gives money to that to hold the event.
So motors, the networks, everybody's in the same team. So

(19:13):
somebody comes to Vegas, the Vegas Tourism Board puts money
up so there's an event here, so everybody can be
compensated properly and whatnot. So that you know, Vegas is
a tourism town. So when you get a weekend, when
you get one hundred thousand, two hundred thousand people in town,
and I mean for the fight we're gonna talk about
in a minute, they're talking about putting that in the

(19:34):
football stadium. That's sixty five thousand plus, So you're talking
about half a million people gonna be in town just
for that weekend, and sixty five seventy thousand people are
gonna be in the football stadium. So those are things
that take away from the local economy, which I'm not
a fan of.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
And who goes to these actual fights in Vegas. Guys
like us, well like.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Me, you will travel, so you'd be surprised.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Like the Vegas Fight, especially when it comes to the
Mexican fighters, people will come from all over, whether it's California,
a Z Mexico, it's Mexico itself, all other different pots,
or someone from like maybe a smaller country, either Central
America or even in in South America you'll see or

(20:17):
the Caribbean. You'll see pockets of people come from wherever
they come from because hey, it's Vegas and they want
to see the guy.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
You got a member.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
A lot of guys from small countries, they're the hero,
Like a lot of black are the hero of that
country or that town or that territory or whatever. So
when their guy, when their person's fighting, they're gonna go
like there's no doubt about it. And like you said,
we're probably gonna lose a lot of that, and that
ain't right. I'm not a fan of that at all.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, I'm not arguing the point. What I was getting
at is that you know, just regular, regular ass people,
working class people go to Vegas for these fights, like
you see that the fights in Saudi Arabia, you know,
like the biggest name celebrities are there, people you know, millionaires, billionaires,
huge names. Like it's not the same thing. You can't
just hop on a plane in Saudi Ria, like if
you're gonna watch a boxing match, because you can just

(21:04):
go to And I've never been there. I've always said
I would go anywhere in the world as long as
there's a bar, So that doesn't matter to me. But like,
what else is there to do? What drinking is there
to do? You know what craft beer is there in
Saudi Arapia. I don't think it's a lot. So you
hop on a plane in Vegas. There's a shitload of
things for you to do too, for that whole weekend.
So yeah, I agree with you, you know, local tourism,

(21:26):
just the access, and that's what it comes down to.
Let's go back to the basics. What are we really
talking about here with not just the Saudi money, but
top rank leaving ESPN access access to fights for regular
ass broke people like I was in college and you know,
just wanted to watch a match, you know, at a

(21:46):
corner bar, you know, neighborhood bar. That the trend is
all of that going away.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
So in the last ten years we lost ESPN, Showtime, HBO, Yeah,
and also PBC, which is on regular network.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
We've lost all that over the last ten years. How
it's gonna survive this country when you don't know where
it's gonna come on at.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, I I don't I'm not optimistic about this trend,
but you know, well, we'll see how it goes. I
mean again, there's good and bad. You know this guy
uh Turkey Ala Shaikh who is sort of the the
magnate of Saudi Arabian boxing and not just boxing, but
he's involved in soccer mma, you know concept he has
put on some good fights and you know his his

(22:31):
whole thing is that he wanted to fix quote broken boxing.
And you know, at the end of the day, he's delivered.
You know, he's delivered Fury versus Sick. He delivered better
be Evan bevall, you know, stuff like that. So you know, again,
you got to give credit where credit is due. You
can't be a total hater just for just because because
you don't like some of the other things that that

(22:52):
that's going on. But yeah, I don't know. I mean
I think that, uh, I think let's just go ahead
and jump in to the topic at hand that we
really want to talk about. That Canelo Alvarez has signed.
Is it a four fight deal?

Speaker 3 (23:05):
It's four fight a fight deal at least one in Vegas.
We'll see about the others. But it seems like it's
four fight deal fighting Terrence Crawford here in Vegas. It's September,
and then three other fights won this May out there
and then the other two to be determined or whatever.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
The first one has already announced that he's finally fighting
William Skull in May in Saudi Arabia. So yeah, he
signed with Riad season. So like I said, it's it's
sort of a losing battle in the winter. Is money
at the end of the day. So but uh, yeah,
I I think that at the end of the day,
I'm gonna be happy that we're getting Canel O versus Crawford. Now,

(23:46):
this still hasn't been officially announced as sort of probably
gonna happen. There's rumors of people in the know. It's
probably enough.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
It's official.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
It's official, Okay, it is its official official.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah, Yeah, so awesome, Canelo, I'll see you in September.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Oh okay, I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah I was.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I was bad from Twitter. Don't warn about it. So, yeah,
we're gonna get the fight this show. For the pilot episode,
we started talking about the potential of Canela Elvers versus
Bud Crawford. Maybe don't listen to that pilot episode. I
suck shit. I didn't know how to host anything at
the time, but hey, it's a pilot, you know. I
was giving it a shot. But yeah, I mean, what
are your thoughts now that it's actually happening? Also, what

(24:24):
please enlighten us?

Speaker 3 (24:25):
I know this.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I was traveling, so I missed a couple of things.
But what was going on in the middle where it
was like Canelo was maybe gonna fight Jake Paul.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Was going to fight Jake Paul. It was all leverage.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
So when you're Canelo and you you hold all the cards,
you all the keys, you can wherever you want if
you want to, you know, fake like fight Jake Paul.
You can do that if you want to make If
you feel like you're worth a certain amount of money
and that amounts not getting met, then yeah you can
be like, hey, you know what, I'm gonna fight, Dude, Like,
let me know when you're serious. So it basically wants

(24:56):
the you know the thing you sound like, an agreement,
not a contract like gonna remember negotiation or something like that.
And then like a few hours later, he signed a
deal with the people Overseas. So it was very funny
how he used Jake Paul and his name and his
fame and all that too. And people were pissed when
that got announced. People are like, I don't know how

(25:17):
much out more boxing I can do. People are fed
up to that point where you know what, I'm over it,
Like I didn't sign up for this, but cooler has prevailed.
About four five hours later, signs the deal for the
four fight deal with the folks Overseas.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Everything else is better. Jake Paul got but hurt. It's
fun to watch. I love it. With that being said.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
With that being said, man, it's something that the amount
of money that both Crawford and Canela, they were never
gonna get this payday if the fight didn't happen this year.
Because I didn't know how old Crawford was. I knew me.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
You know what I'm saying. I didn't think of it
like that. Like he's an older guy.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
He don't have a whole lot of time in prime
left and moving up and wait as you get older
normally doesn't work like it normally doesn't age well normally
way mumy goes the other way. However, the objective here
is the payday. Terrence Crawford has not been getting paid
his just due over his career. He was on top

(26:25):
right for a long time, not getting the correct wages
he should have gotten for his skill set. That's gonna
change this fight and as it should, right.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yeah, just for the record, Terrence Bud Crawford is thirty
seven years old, so still a fantastic fighter. But you
said going up and wait when you're older. Let's be real,
everything gets harder. Life is hard. Everything gets harder when
you're older. You can drink. I could drink one beer
every single day for the rest of my life and
it'll always hit me harder at this age than it
did that one beer that it did at twenty one two.

(26:58):
So yeah, I mean he's still he's still in great shape, obviously,
I think, because but it's like a lean like a
little guy. I think his strength definitely gets underestimated. I
think he is. He is a power puncher. He's got power,
he's he's one of those guys that got everything going
for him, power speed switch hitter. Maybe the main thing

(27:21):
that I dislike about him is that he's buddies with
eminem but that has nothing to do with the ring.

Speaker 4 (27:25):
So well, power trans light up to one sixty eight
or wherever he needs to be at for the fight.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
It's hard to say. I mean, I've I've only ever
went from a big, fat piece of shit who was
weak to a lean, lean one go cutta. I don't
even remember how lean I was in my prime of
sparring and training and going hard at the.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Gym, bro.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
But but I only I never put on that much muscle.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
I would lift weights, you know, but I was doing
I was. I would do what I was boxing training myself.
I would do a lot of cardio, and I added
in weight just to put it in strength. But I
was never bulky. I was. I was very scrawny when
I was a kid. So I got older, I got doe,
so I put on muscle, but never enough to like
go up that much in muscle. You know what I'm saying. Oh,

(28:12):
just mass, Like like I was lean at my peak,
So I have no clue what it would feel like
to just be lean where I was and was on
my life and then just fucking lift and just be
able to just I said, build mass. I just I
just don't know what that's like. I know what it's
like to build fluff, fatness, you know, squishiness, Yeah, absolutely,

(28:34):
but I don't know. I mean I think also there's
this you see that one video of Bud just bench
pressing in jeans. This is the one like five six
hundred pounds weight where somebody off cameras telling him like, oh,
so and so said he's bigger than you, and Bud
goes bigger, don't mean stronger, and then he just does
this ridiculous deadlift in jeans and like nikes or whatever.

(28:57):
You know, the man is not to be underestimated to
trifle with. Whether that power translates, I don't know. But again,
if he's bulking up and putting on mass, that's also
more he can absorb, you know. Yeah, the bigger you know,
you can take the bigger punches when you're a bigger dude.
You know, the worst part where you want to be
is losing weight but not building muscle mass like I

(29:19):
did at one point when it was like losing the
gut but not building abs. So it was like the
worst of all worlds. Everything hurt body shots. But yeah,
I mean he's got speed, speed kills. Canelo has slowed
down in uh, you know, his his older years, not

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to say that he's less.

Speaker 4 (29:41):
He's a smarter fighter.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
He doesn't move his head like he he doesn't have
the defense like he used to, but you know he
he's better at sort of timing his opponents, downloading the information,
but has always been great at that. So I don't know.
I mean, we can sort of go round and around
all day into people different skills in the matchup. But
I think the biggest question is is how how will

(30:07):
Bud's performance be affected by going up I guess two
weight classes from from where he is that now, which
again wasn't it he went on Yeah yeah, and then
he's going up two more, so that I don't know,
I have not.

Speaker 4 (30:20):
At this age too. At this age, it's a lot
of change.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, I mean, I mean he is never a guy
that was like, he's never a guy who cut weight.
I don't believe, you know, Canelo cuts weight. He was,
but it was never a big dude to cut weight
down like he he has been building up. So and
then Canelo is probably gonna stay right where he is.
That is it one sixty eight?

Speaker 4 (30:43):
I believe he was sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Yeah, because light heavyweight won up is one seventy five.
So Canelo has said he that he walks around. I
think he said he walks around like around one to eighty,
like just day to day. So he cuts, he cuts
to get where he is. So he's already losing some
of that that mass.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
I think at the end of the day, Bud's got speed,
Bud's got accuracy, but it's surgical and that is a big,
big deal. But Canelo's got power, and Canelo can take
a punch because he's a big, beefy motherfucker.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
And can Bud win a decision in Vegas versus Canelo.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
That's a big one. Oh yeah, Vegas. Vegas loves Canelo.
Vegas does not, does not dislike Bud. But I don't
see Vegas as a Bud Crawford town.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Why it's it's also
and I know he signed up for four fights and
three or from overseas. But if we get a close fight,
we get a rematch sometime in twenty six. That's goes like,
we're not stupid. If it's a close fight, either way,
we get a rematch.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Here's what I say. I don't see Bud knocking out Canelo.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Okay, that's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
What he has to do is he has to absolutely
make it clear ghost the fight goes the distance. They
have to make it so clear that you know, he
that he was the winner, kind of like the Canelo
versus be Ball fight. You know I was, I was sweating,
and in the middle, I was like, it's okay, he's
got it. He's he's got he's tied him down, he's
gonna figure out how to get in in between blah

(32:11):
blah blah blah. By that last better, I go, I'm like,
oh shit, he lost that fight, bro, he lost that
fucking fight. So but that's that's what Bud has to do.
The fight is going to go the distance. You gotta
make it clear that you're just out out matching him
and out boxing him, you know, at every turn for
the judges to see. And I think that's his road
to victory.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Got it. Now, with that being said, do you think
he can knock down Canelo because one but not out someone.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Do you think he can knock down Canelo?

Speaker 2 (32:38):
I don't think so honestly either. Again, you're just hitting
at a big giant slab of beef and Canelo has
gotten beef here with age, so and he's he's study
on his feet. I mean, I always how about this,
I could say that Bud could knock down any guy whatever,
like ten fifteen pounds is lighter than Canelo, any guy

(33:01):
with the accuracy, you know, if you if you tie
that ship right, if you get in the right spot,
right on the button. I don't see it. Man, you know,
he's just there is something to be said for just
punching into a big slab of beef.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
That's real about you.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I mean, do you think that that that he could
do that?

Speaker 3 (33:18):
I think he can knock him down with a man,
I don't see him knocking can Allow. I think anything,
and I think anything can happen. Somebody getting hit in
the wrong place, and you know, I would say down happening.
It's highly unlikely, but I can least see it.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Surprised.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, I don't, I don't see it. Knock got happening. Okay,
but do you think Canel strong enough to knock but out?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Yes? Yes, yeah, yeah, like that's thing, but it's very
hard to catch. So that and Canel is not the
most active guy at this day of his career as
he was a decade ago. So that's where it would
be highly unlikely for he not out per se. I think,

(34:03):
like you mentioned, you'd have to have you'd have to
win the Each guy would have to win to fight
their way, right, Crawford had to be the busier guy.
A lot of points, very decisive rounds where he's tagging
Canelo getting out the way, since Tis later doing the
same thing, get out the way, moving moving, moving tire,
canell out body shots, get out the way.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Cane have to use his strength in the vanges.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
He's a bigger guy leaning on him, putting pressure on Crawford,
cutting off the ring, making sure he's able to basically
sert his will on the fight.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
So again, it's a chess match.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
It's basically who's able to play their game, who's able
to fight their fight, and that's what it comes down to,
and that's why we want to see these are two
best guys that realistically can actually get the fight.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
That we have and I'm glad we're getting it.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's a really good couple few points
here he just made. I mean, Canelo has not gotten faster,
his boxing has not gotten better. He's sort of you know, peaked.
And also but is fast and what if. The one
thing I do know from sparring is that the more
you miss, the more tired you get. When you miss
a big power punch, that drains you more than actually

(35:07):
hitting a guy with with power punches, so I can see.
And also another thing, Canelo has gotten tired in the
last half of his last few fights, you know from
uh even after after Befall. You know you see the
British guy that he fought in Mexico. Oh god, what's
his name? John Ryder? Do you remember that, like his
his last homecoming fighting. I think it was John Ryder.

(35:29):
He was, he was a British that I know for
a fact, I have I have a hot take.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
On that fight.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
That fight went the distance. Canelo knocked right or down
like three times throughout the throughout the fight, maybe even
like four or something like that I thought. I thought,
in my head, Okay, he could probably knock this guy out,
but he's gonna sort of he's gonna stretch it out,
put on a show, you know, play with this food.
He's you know, he's a giant stadium. He's gonna put
on a show. I think that Canelo ended up not

(35:55):
being able to knock John Ryder out by the end
of the fight. I think he sort of stretched it
out right, but then I don't think he could have
pull he was able to pull it off by the end.
That's sort of my my spicy taker.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
Conditioning may have been an issue.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Yeah, and I think I think it's been an issue
for him, you know, for for the last few fights.
And and that's totally I'm not like saying that he
sucks shit or anything like that, you know.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
News Yeah, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
I mean, I don't see Bud. I haven't seen Bud
slowing down. But again, I haven't seen him fighting at
one sixty eight that part too, so I don't know.
I kind of here's here's what I would wish we
could have. I wish he could fight, Bud could fight
somebody at one sixty eight. First you know, like someone else,
anybody else money.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
When somebody's involved, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Sure, sure, I'm just saying risk.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
You can't even risk fighting somebody at one sixty eight
between now and September because if you get hurt, or
if something happens, or god forbid, you get hit, and
you know the you know, the opposite happens, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
So right now you kind of have to protect the
protect the bags.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I don't believe it, whatever happened, I'm with you. I'm
all I'm saying is that what I wish I could
see is what Bud looks like, which is I don't
care one sixty Tomato can and nobody a uber driver,
you know, some Joe's mechanic whatever, Just to see what
he looks like at that, how he moves, you know,
does he slow down? Does he have less power? I
would That's what I would kill for. And I don't know, Hell,

(37:23):
I'd love to see him a spar just sparring, but
it was different, like you know what I mean. So yeah, yeah,
so so I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
I mean, I.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
I'm caught between, you know, my two favorite fighters at
the moment, I love both these guys with all my heart.
I think they're they're amazing fighters and I love watching them.
Bud Crawford versus Earl Spence is probably my favorite of
the like modern recent boxing matches I've ever seen, just
amazing performance.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
Quick question, how the hell did Earl Spence get cleared
to fight because he couldn't see out of his eye? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (37:58):
I don't actually know that story because what happened. He
had a car accident or something like that. Yeah, he's
had multiple things, but he couldn't see the left hooks.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
And like whatever, you anyone who's been in a fight,
whenever you can't see a punch, it is all bad. Now.
I didn't have a.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Rooting interest, like I liked Spence before the accidents and stuff.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
But when you can't see punches coming, when when you're
reacting a second or two later, once it's on the
second round, like oh, this fight's over, Like there was
no He's reacting when the punch is already hitting him.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
And I was like, oh, but at least believe how
the hell did he get cleared by?

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Uh? It wasn't that.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Where was the fight that was in Dallas.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Or I don't remember that was a few years ago.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Now, a couple of it may have been here. It
felt like it was somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
It was in Vegas. No, it's I'm looking it up now.
It's it's in Vegas.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
It was a Vegas that's right. It was the summertime.
It was in summertime.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Yeah, well, I mean, I yes, it's always possible he
didn't see the hooks coming. But another thing that I
know is that sometimes you just start slow to react
with some but he's a lot faster than you are.
You know, you you catch the replay and you know
of any fight, you know somebody who's really fast, and
you see a guy like you know, throwing a punch
and then putting his hand up to block a hook
after the hook already show up. He's doing the motion.

(39:13):
Is just the other guy's just fast as ship.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yeah, and if your visions it makes it that much worse.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
But yeah, so anyway, we'll see what happens if I
get closer. But ask a for you right now, who
would you bet on the Canelo Alvarez or Bud Crawford
to win.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Canlo is gonna be the favorite depending on the number. No,
let me check see if it's updated yet, hold on.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Well, but yes, go ahead do that. But also regardless
of the numbers, like who who would you put money
on to come I.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Had to bet it, bet it? I would bet Canelo
will win if I had to bet it right now. However,
with all that beings said, yes it's not up yet. Well,
all that being said, if I got a good number
on Crawford as the underdog, I would definitely take a
shot at that because he had a legit chance of
winning for all the things that we mentioned over the
last few minutes. So does it depends on the number,

(40:01):
Like if Canelo's minus two hundred, then that's a pretty
big number. That means Crawfords will be like plus one
seventy plus one eighty. Take your chances and see what happens.
So it all depends on the number.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Right, Well, I I think I would bet Crawford if
he is he's probably gonna be the underdog. I also
like to just kind of bet on the longer shot
so I can put in less money and get a
bigger payday, So I would probably do that. I probably
would have bet on the Philadelphia Eagles, Not probably, I
would have if I wasn't in Texas, and it wasn't
shot out of my gambling gambling app.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
So whatever, you know, That's what I'm saying. You gotta
you gotta have somebody trust, some network, you get it.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
I shouldn't have to go through it. I shouldn't have
to pull some kind of like you know, some matrix
neo kind of sending messages through the through the interwebs,
you know, to get somebody's account on another face or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
As somebody who bets more than an average person.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Okay, if I go.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Out of town, I have somebody that I trust, take
take care of things and call it a day.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
It makes it a lot of It makes it a
lot easier.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
To be fair, I don't bet a lot. I don't.
I I kind of wait till you know something I'm
really interested in. Bless. I gotta. I gotta keep some
rules to keep myself from you know, going ahead on
I respect it. Respect Yet I know myself. I know myself,
So you know, I just some things and I keep
it simple. I don't do any of the like over
under this or that or how many yards and blah
blah blah is going to win this match? You know,

(41:24):
maybe for a boxing match, I'll be like, you know,
if I know the fighter, I'll say like, maybe they'll
win by knockout and like the sixth or seventh round
like I would. I would always been on Tank to
win by knockout on like round six or seven anywhere.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
For me.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Yeah, So anyway, so we'll see and uh, you know, hey,
let's let's let's end this topic with this. I am
very excited. I am very excited to see this match
that you and I have been talking about since this
show was created, so since its inception, and you know
you were I got also another credit. I wasn't totally
sure that the fight we'd be made because of the

(41:58):
disparity in the fighters and wait styles, et cetera. You
had faith, you said it was gonna be done. You
said it was gonna be done this year, by the way,
So to give you Jamison credit wor credits to that
was a great call. And uh and I even said,
don't go back to listen to the episode because it's
because I sucked. But I said I would want to
see it happen this year, but I don't believe that

(42:18):
it would. And I'm I'm always happy to admit that
I was wrong.

Speaker 4 (42:23):
So yeah, I'll put it this way. When there's a
lot of money at steak, you only have a certain
period of time take.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Advantage of that money. That mighty always gonna be there,
sood gonna be like, you know what, I'm giving you
money and you taking your time? No, no, no, no, nope, nope.
So that's why, big reason why if you offered both,
I think both guys are gonna make non figures of
with that fight.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
H what side is evolved. You gotta take it, you
got to.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
I thought that Canelo would be the one to turn
it down. To be quite honest with you, I believe
that Bud would have been in all all the way.
I think Canela would have been like that, and I
I think he would have been worried about getting embarrassed
by a guy that's so much smaller than him that like,
you know, he went up to Bevall who was much bigger,
and he was that was fine, right, But I would

(43:06):
have thought he wasn't gonna say no because I don't
want to risk it. And you know, my ass who
by a little guy?

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Think about like this, how many other big fights for
a guy can make nine figures how many of those
are left without fighting at Jake Paul or some random
circus situation.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
No, you got a point, and gotta say too that news.
I'm pretty sure it came out on my birthday. So Canelo,
thank you for celebrating my birthday with the announcement of
the Crawford fight. So I appreciate you know, it means
a lot man you. And and let's also be real,
it's probably wasn't Canelo. It was probably Eddie Reinoso, a
trader manager. So Eddie, thank you so much for doing
that for my birthday.

Speaker 4 (43:41):
Thank you, very nice, very nice.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
So want to move on to our recurring segment that
we call pop Pugilism. So this segment we talk about
a movie, TV show, documentary related to boxing. The least
few times we talked about Jack Johnson documentary, very serious,
very intense, you know, history of racism in the sport,
et cetera. We talked about Roberto Duran, who had really

(44:05):
a couple of difficult times throughout his career. So this
time I wanted to talk about something really stupid, and
I think I found just the thing. It's a film
called Undisputed, directed by Walter Hill, who also directed The
Warriors forty eight hours, the pilot of Deadwood. This movie
stars Wesley Snipes, Ving Raims, as well as some other

(44:26):
pretty well known people like Peter Fulk Fisher, Stevens, Wes Stoody,
and Michael Rooker in smaller roles. So this movie budget
estimated between fifteen and twenty million. Box office grows fourteen
point nine. So it's a failure because you gotta double
your budget in order to be a success in Hollywood.
But this movie somehow became a direct to video franchise.
But we'll talk about that a little bit. It's from

(44:48):
two thousand and two, and I just want to get
your thoughts, jameson what did you think of this movie Undisputed?

Speaker 3 (44:54):
So back while I was younger, I was a big
DVD person. I would love to buy DVD's get Him on.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Sale, you know, one dollar band five to our band.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
That's one of the DVDs I actually have. It's somewhere
in this house, uh somewhere in a box or create somewhere.
But uh yeah, No, Undisputed is one of those movies
I had. It's like, I'm was like a hood classic
in a way. You know, he had being Raims and
he had Wessey Snipes in it. Uh, a lover was
in it, which was funny. So yeah, a lot of
familiar faces. It was just we remember we were at

(45:24):
that time where people were trying to make Tyson like movies, right, like,
trying to mimic his life, the situation and whatnot.

Speaker 4 (45:32):
And we went that through that for a while.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
But that's what it felt like when he unfortunate with
the jail back in his day and you know, ended
up coming out and you know, fighting again all that,
that whole thing. That's kind of how it felt like.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
But it was it was cool for it was.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
It wasn't it wasn't a great movie like let's you know,
but it was for what it was, it was Okay,
it was cool.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
I like that it's in that periods. Two thousand and
two is that period right before CGI took over, And
I appreciate the little bit like being so sorry. Let's
uh just quick recap. The story about is about a
boxer named Monroe Hutchin played by the Goat Wesley Snipes.
He's the champ in the Sweetwater Prison, but then the
actual legit heavyweight champion of the world, George Iceman Chambers

(46:13):
played by Ving Rams. He gets convicted of rape and
gets sent to the same prison by some bullshit block contrivance.
Ving needs to fight Wesley Stipes in a boxing boxing
match to get out of jail early, like Peter Falk,
has some kind of mob connections and he's got connections
on the parole board. That was all kind of just muddled,
but but yeah, Ving Rams gets transported to the prison

(46:34):
in a real helicopter. They land that helicopter in a
real prison set. You know, I'm I'm assuming it's a
close prison for a hobby, but they're filming outside these days,
that helicopter would be cgi and it would look terrible.
So I was also a physical media guy. I for me,
I always liked the highest quality possible, so I bought DVDs,

(46:56):
But then I stopped buying them when Blu rays became
a thing, so I wanted to wait for them to
be cheaper so I wouldn't have to buy my movies.
Over and over. Did the same thing with four K,
So now I'm back to collecting physical media. Because I
wanted four K. Because I got the Giant TV, I
want to use it to its prime. I don't want
to watch it, you know, a DVD on a giant
four K. So but so what that said. The reason

(47:20):
I mentioned that is that you go back to all
these movies early two thousands and later, you can really
see that they filmed outside. It wasn't green screen. They
put in the money, the effort, They sent a crew
out into the woods or whatever. They filmed flashbacks the
movie takes place in the prison, by the film flashbacks
of Ving Raims fighting in a ring from when he

(47:43):
was you know, the actual champ. So all of that
I really appreciate when a movie puts in that effort.
Walter Hill is a very good director, and I knew that,
you know, his his stamp on it was was going
to make a difference. So I think that, yes, the
movie isn't great. In fact, I I would probably say
the movie is not good, but there is fun to
be had. I had fun with this. Yeah. The one

(48:05):
thing I do like is that both Wesley Stimps and
Van Rahims are very unlikable characters. I think we need
more unlikable protagonists. Absolutely, Yeah, not everybody has to be
you know, a really nice guy caught in a bad situation. Yeah,
I mean you know. It's the what I mentioned earlier.
This somehow became a franchise, like it became a cult classic.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
That part I didn't know that parably did not know that.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
I did not know until until today.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
I was funny, I actually knew. I didn't realize that
I knew this until I was doing my research last
night because I watched Undisputed two before I watched the
original a few years ago thanks to my buddy David
Black rip uh and this one. In the sequel, George
Iceman Chambers is replaced by Michael Jay White, who fucking rules.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
He has to fight a guy named Boyka, played played
by the British martial artist Scott Atkins, who also rules admittedly,
and the the crux of the story is that this
kind of pissed me off is that Iceman Chambers lost
a match to Boyka. In order to win the rematch,
he had learned to kickbox. So I've done fist boxing,
but I've never done a leg boxing. I'm not flexible
at all. So the big thing at the end, like

(49:14):
the montage, is Michael Jay White learning how to kick
the heavy bag and he wins the match through that
you know, so he betrays fist boxing, which broke my heart,
but it was the second was actually a fun movie.
So I've seen the second one. Now I've seen the
first one. The third movie then takes Boyka Scott Adkins

(49:37):
and it makes him the protagonist, like Iceman is gone,
and the fourth movie is literally called Boyka Colon Undisputed.
So it's it just completely said, let's just build this franchise,
direct a video around this random guy that we brought
in the sequel, and get rid of anything related to
the first one except prison, which is kind of funny.

(49:58):
So yeah, maybe the future will talk about the sequels
even though they're they're about leg boxing, which whatever are you?
I don't I don't know why, Like maybe, okay, I
do know why. It's jealousy. It's because they can't kick
for ship that I'm always like, keep busing. That's stupid.
But it's cool, you know, Scott Dickens is a very
good martial artist and it's fun to watch. But but yeah,

(50:19):
at the end of the day, I mean, what did
you think about this movie, Jamison?

Speaker 3 (50:21):
We rate this.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
It wasn't that it was like it was a movie.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
It was passable. I think it was like one hundred
or an hour and a half. It was. It wasn't crazy,
it was It was cool for what it was, but
a lot of politics in it, a lot of like
politics in it. Basically mentioned you know if you make
this fight well a certain sentence also money involved when

(50:45):
the file take it. It's just you know, all those
things were nice funnel sub loots. But at the end
of the day, it's a two point six out of
four gloves.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
I was given two point seventy five. I likely matchup.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
You can get me there, I can get there. But
it was it was interesting, it was interesting, it.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Was about it was fun. Based on what we've watched
for the show again, real life stories, you know, biopics,
a lot of heartbreaking stuff, you know, hard to watch things,
clears to shields, growing up at the ghetto and her
movie and all that thing. It was kind of really
nice and nice breath of fresh air. It's just something
kind of silly fun again the runtime killer. So I'll
give it two point seventy five. A light recommend if

(51:25):
you like, if you like Wesley Snipes and bing Rings, yeah,
definitely watch it.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
You can.

Speaker 4 (51:30):
You can watched a lot worse of it that way.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, honestly, you can watch a lot
worse Wesley Snype movies to be correct that part with
the part though. I don't like the Baseball one that
he did with Albertinio the Fan. I hate that movie
very movie, very Yeah, and Baseball is the worst is
not even sports pouring. So yeah, two point seventy five
for Undisputed two thousand and two, directed by Walter Hill
Wesley snipe heads. Check it out. Yeah, one last thing

(51:58):
before we go, So we do a mail bag question.
But I'm gonna throw you a curveball on this one,
all right. I was I was recording another podcast with
my buddies of the Han Takes Shots first podcast talking
about Star Wars, and I was mentioning, you know, I
do the Mixed Company podcast. Another guy on the show

(52:18):
is like, hey man, where do you fall on Tyson
versus Ali? And I said, I don't. I never get
into those kinds of discussions, like fantasy matchups. There's so
many real fighters that are active and alive, you know,
real fights that could happen. Now that that's kind of
where my what I would rather talk about it, Like
you want to talk about what could happen if Bud
Crawford goes up to weight classes? If I canelo. I

(52:40):
got you, but I want to give you get your
take on this kind of spin off that question, that
guy's question to me into a mail back topic, like
do you ever kind of get into those thought exercises
like Tyson versus Ali? Or do you think that's kind
of still?

Speaker 3 (52:53):
I think it's tough because there's so many different things, right,
They're a generation apart. So the way Tyson grew up
and trained the whole nine is way different than Ali's.
So the power, the early conditioning of Mike Tyson, like
eighteen through like twenty three year old Mike Tyson's conditioning

(53:13):
is way different than Ali. Ali was a more athletic guy,
but he trained and you know, everything was different. Like
it's very hard to say who would win or what
you know, what would happen. I mean, I guess I
favor a Leaf. I had to have you forced me to.
But again, like I don't know, if you know, I
don't know if he finding one that hit higher than

(53:35):
Tyson prime Tyson.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Don't know, So it goes, it varies. I'm not a
big fan of it. On because there's so many things.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
That happened generationally, there's so many different advent like for instance,
Sugar Ray Leonard versus Floyd Mayweather. Who you know what
I mean, Like you got a guy from basically from
the seventies and eighties finding a guy from the nineties,
two thousand, twenty tens. There's so much that has changed,
so much that is that is, you know, different technology
all nine. I don't know who, I don't know. I

(54:04):
saw I saw when I was kind of fascinating. Though.
Someone asked if Crawford fought Floyd at one forty seven,
that was kind of interesting, even though they are different
in age they're about ten years apart or maybe maybe
a little bit more than.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
That now, but that was quite fascinating.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Even then. It's not fair because again that's just a
whole different generation, whole different age group. It's hard to compare, really,
it really is. I agree.

Speaker 2 (54:33):
I The way I see it is that I just
kind of there's so much about like I said, at
Real Active Fighters that we can talk about so many
potential fights that ken and should happen that are not happening,
that you know, it has to be money. Negotia's listen
to that. I would much rather like dissect the fights
that the sector fighters that are out now, who could
potentially fight each other. I've never liked it. You know,

(54:55):
I notice disrespect to my guy there on the podcast.
You know, it's it's it's a fair question.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
You know.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
It's a lot of people kind of like engaging with
boxing that way, like a what if? But I could
have just wanted to get your opinion on I'll put
it this way.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
I'll do you one better. I think the question should
be if you put those guys in this error, and
you put the guys in this era back then, who
would be better off? Right? So I think that'd be
a better one rather than saying who would fight? Who
would be better than who? Because I think there's certain
guys that would be very well in this error. I
think there's certain guys I wouldn't, so don't. I think

(55:28):
that's more fast thin ainty. Plus, with social media, with
everything going on, guys can stay focused in the seventies
and eighties, you think they say focus in this day
and age.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
That's absolutely that's one hundred percenture. Then we'd catch you know,
all the guys I don't know stepping out on their wives,
the old timey boxers and doing drugs and all that
stuff on.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
That's an eighteen year old Mike Tyson.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
What avyweight championship belt? What Instagram and fifty million.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Dollars in BA No? No, absolutely not. That man is cooked.

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Think about Mohamed Ali Cashius Clay at twenty two years
old with social media being the good looking.

Speaker 4 (56:07):
Guy he was and the kind of guy he was.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
That is that is? I like that?

Speaker 2 (56:12):
That is the much better question. Someone asked me Tyson
versus Ali again, I'm gonna say no, let me ask
you how good would Ali be today in twenty twenty
five with a with a Twitter accountant?

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Yeah? How would they? How would they react? How would
they how would they be? Because that's a whole everything
they have to worry about the stuff we had to
worry about in this day and age. That's why I
do get Floyd a lot of credit for being able
to stay focused because for a guy that everybody threw
a lot of stuff at, he didn't really let it
get to him outside of the first Maydonna fight. That
first fight, he was obviously going through something because that

(56:45):
fight was a lot closer and there was a personal
relationship issue with a female friend of his.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
I believe that kind of many things interesting, but outside
of that, the focus.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
Was always there. We've seen some other guys not be
focused and get dropped for a lot different reasons. So
I would be very fascinating if you have the guys
back then fighting today with all the stuff we got today,
whether it be better or worse.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Excellent, that's an excellent answer. Really always appreciate your insight
on the kind of thing. So with that said, you know,
check out my friends podcast Han Took Shots First. It's
a Star Wars related podcast. I was a guest again
talking about the movie Rogue one. So it's out now.
Wherever you get your shows, shout out to them, thanks
for having me on, and I plug the best company
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(57:32):
where can people find you on social media?

Speaker 3 (57:34):
At Twitter? Twitter is the best at the Jamison, that's
the best spot. I think I have a blue social
but I don't use it yet. Be a Twitter's the
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