November 9, 2024 • 60 mins
Shaq C and Mother Love share their love for the talk show Forgive or Forget that is so viable today. They share the passion, the heartbreak, and the power of forgiveness and the strength to say I will forget the pain of this relationship and for of these guests. Shaq C, a loyal, devoted fan of Mother Love, the original host of the syndicated daytime talk show, Forgive or Forget. This young man has dedicated his time, energy and effort in finding episodes of the show to share with you. Mother Love is filled with tears and joy that he watched the show with his elders when was eight yrs old. As an adult, he made it his business to reach out to her and ask her what happened to the show, why was she not there everyday loving on her "Babies!" Why there was never a logical reason for her to have been replaced. Really what had happened WAS... tune in to listen and watch the show. #Shaq
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Any everybody, You're even more fabulous, Mother Love coming to
you live and in living color.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Right here on this place, in our love station, on
my right. If you would be on my well on
either side. He what other side he's on with me?
He's good, this is shaxy more.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I would have to preavented to say, I'm gonna say
you are the best fan I've ever had.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Honest and goodness. I wouldn't. I mean a tough me
people have.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I have been bestole with wonderful things present from people.
They helped me with my Santa Helper in the hood.
But this time of the year, and so if I
want to do something, help me.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Be Santa Teper and the hood, you can hit that QR.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Cod but they said you can hit that QR cold
and you could donate to the.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Uh you know, Mother Love or under Christmas series. I'm
Santa's Helper in the hoods.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So that's why I loved dress up in my outfit.
I got checked my two little girls. One time set
the twins, we were riding on the fire fire truck
and Santa was gonna be on that fire truck with us,
so he said the cherried back there, we're getting ready
to get on the uh, get on the get on
the on the on the on the fires truck. And
I was talking to and I said, oh, these are
(01:09):
under Christmas spirits. A set of identical twins who spoke
in complete unitsy.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
They went, that's those are fairy wings. I said, excuse me,
those are now fairy wings. She did the ster pensil.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
They got sa, no, those are not terry wings. I said, well,
what she said, they're butterfly wings and the way they're.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
There, and they just came back to me with it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
They were like, if those are not butterfly, those are
not fair. That's my fairy wings. That's a butterfly wing.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And I was like, I have been checked by five
year olds and they were absolutely white.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
They were not fairy wings. They were butterfly wings. So
then the next year we did that. We did it
again and she said, they both said, oh you got
the right wings.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
See, sometimes in life you got to have the right wings.
You know, you got to know butterfly, you know butterfly
fly certain way. Listen, we got a bird that flies backwards,
so I mean bird, I mean, what if we have
to just make sure we take care of.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
That you got and when you can get checked by
a child pair atticstans that, and when you get checked
by an elder. And I just found I just got
the season a citizens of status. Well but not only.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
My first part of battling is over and we all
gonna have to live with this crack showed up. No,
I thought about that. We're gonna talk about the craziest
that happen on forgiver for yes.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
But if I was a host many many years ago,
and I actually with the pedio mother love, and I
didn't know you I could be with the pediot, I'm goutiable.
I know they got my government name up there.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
No I did not.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I was like, wait, look like they get all.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
This differmation imeer that you know. My husband looked at me, like,
where do you think they got it from? You know
you told them? Now, I said, I ain't never tell
people out here how to spell my name. And I
don't know somebody I went to school with told them.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
How to spell my correct name. And that's what I
would respond to. And you know something, when they call
you by your whole government.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Name, you know, Jackson Smith, why you gotta call my who?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And when your mom and Grandma'm gonna call you by
your whole name, you know you and and he.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Was trying to hed give him bit in that place. Well,
he said, all right, let me think what.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I what did I do?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
That was warning her father or her calling my whole name?
And I was gonna and you're thinking you racking your
great I'm gonna get beat them. I'm gonna get cussed out.
What kind of weapon are may go into you?
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Whos?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You know my favorite one that I really hated. Grand
didn't give me a switch? Wait, so I had to
look at my face, like, you want me go in
the backyard and get a branch.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I twigg a switch and matter of fact, get three
of them and they better not be too old because
I want a nine young and supper.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
So when I pack, you gonna know you been cracked twice.
Oh so you want me to go out and get
a weapon for you to beat me with. I did
that till one time she said go and get me out.
She was after that, she never did. She never asked
me to go get a switch a belt mother, because
I can't. Mom put a big fluffy belt for her duster.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Fun Let me say, beat me what.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
This was, Oh, as we got older, we would sit
down and remin that's about our lives and what have you.
She said, oh, yeah, because my name was red Handkerchif's
head halfer. You see, I got no, they don't know me.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
I thought that was my man.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I thought that was much you red handkerchiefs head helper.
I ate got two wages in it. Some must be something. No,
I'm so I go, and I said, I moved here.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I got a.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Belt for her. This time I ain't get. I went
upstairs in her bedroom, which I was the only kid
allowed in her bedroom at the time. And when it
got the tough guy, I never forget. It's a big
fluffy one. You don't have had to put it on.
They looked like they were two hundred pound because the
thing is so thick. I came back with her. She
looked at me. She said, you real happiness to the head.
Help up. He don't get a pot of moth's face
right now. And I learned that when she's talking to
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me like this, that was her Ben laugh said then
I'm gonna look all my presibilities with this real hand
it to be a help for And I said, well,
my mom, why didn't you always kill your towe She
wasn't cooking at the time, she thought in the bathtub
at the time, she'd have just a towel on one
handcuff over her shoulder. And I said, Mama, you always
have a handtiled on this shoulder. She said, because I.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Knew y'all was gonna say something stupid than me. Somebody's
gonna do something stupid than me, and I need to
bite this towel so they can't here.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Y'all can't know. I'm laughing. What he could have told
me that that I could get out of a beat
him with sometimes, but not a lesson?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
What we?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
What shack?
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Can I do?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
We? He picks them, He picks the episodes, He picks
sooth the guess they're gonna be. I watched it like
a fan, and I get I do it. I get
caught up with it, and I try not to be
y'all with me. So he gets the clips from Forgive
and Forget twenty six years ago. I still got it.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I got it even more even though it was a
lot less than me. Uh now, so tell us what
we got on tap today?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
He picked them good but two and this is a
good one.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I think you got a good one.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
Uh so three stories.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
The first one, Sidey Squires is coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
She's gonna ask for her.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Sister's forgiveness because she ran away from her and she
hasn't spoken to her in four years at the four
years up until.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Okay, yeah that was sound kind of nasty.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Yeah that's pretty Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Oh ye good. You got all this stuff going on.
I don't have to text the button.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
Now the whole to forgive her, forget, mother in love,
always looking for.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
You know, everyone's welcome to forgive her. Forget.
Speaker 8 (06:54):
Let's meet our first catch. My name is Cindy Squires.
When I was growing up, my sister was like a
mother to me. She was the only person I could
count on. Four years ago, I walked out of her
life without saying goodbye. I owe her an apology and
an explanation.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
You, Sandy, and I know you loved suddenly. But before
we talk about that, tell me about your relationship with
your sister.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
While I was growing up, she was always there for me.
My mother picked us out when I was about.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Four years old. Leave my huncles. You get kicked out
at four years old?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Your baby.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
When my sister was there for me throughout my whole life.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
She was like my mother.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
So now you so you had a close relationship. Is
she a lot older than you are? Yes, she had
seven years older than me. Oh that's really not a
lot older if you're like seven, if you're four, she's eleven.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (07:57):
But while we were growing up, I said, she was
always there for me. And then when I was about
eight or nine years old, I went into a foster
home and then I kept in contact with her, and.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Throughout the years she was always there.
Speaker 8 (08:12):
I couldn't pick up the phone and she was there
to hear me anytime I had a question anything.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
She was always there for me.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And then when I was fifteen, I went and stayed
with her.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
I moved in with her when I was fifteen, and
we did things together.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
We went everywhere together, and I lived there until I
was about eighteen years old.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
And after I had moved out, she would come spend
weekends with me with her children, and I'd go spend
the weekends with her with my children, and we just
always had a very close relationship.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
It was so Sindy.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Why would you just up and leave a close relationship
like vis for no reason?
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Was there a reason.
Speaker 8 (08:58):
No, there wasn't a real then. But when I did leave,
she was asking, Cindy, where's money. You know you've been
staying here month and a half.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
You know you got a couple bucks you can give me.
Speaker 8 (09:11):
Yeah, okay, Chris, I will, you know in a couple
of days, this week I will, or next week I will.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
And I never did. I never gave never gave her.
Speaker 8 (09:20):
Anything, did you I act like I didn't appreciate her.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
I was just, yeah, she'll do this for me, she'll do.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
That for me, and you have no advantage of it.
I took advantage of her, and I feel so guilty
for that.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
So you felt little sense of responsibility even after you
become an adult. Could you have helped her? Could you
have given her a few dollars here and there? Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I could have.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I could have, but I never did. It was just no,
I want the money. I need it.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Hit a moment.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
We'll hear your apology to your.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Sister, but first I want you to listen to her
talk about how she felt when you left her four
years ago. Yeah, yeah, my sister, Cindy. I took her
in as my.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
Own child, I raised her as my own kid. I
adopted her. I took care of her for years. She
has always been with me. Towards the end, I don't
know what happened. She stabbed me in the back. She
told her friends, we're a terrible mother.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I am.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
I did everything for her. I trigged her like a queen.
I took her in at the last minute. I was
always there for her. That's the things I get.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
I haven't heard from her years. I didn't know if
she was alive or dead, or where she was. Always
thinking about her, wondering where she is, if she's okay
or not.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
No.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Oh, this is the thingks I get.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
She just walked out.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Of my life and I haven't heard from her years.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
I'm seek she's sweetie.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Sure did? She took you in, did everything she could
for you, and she didn't even know if you were living.
Speaker 8 (11:00):
I didn't tell her I was coming back down to
North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
He didn't tell her anything. You didn't pick up the
phone me they call her.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
You didn't write her.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
No. I at first I was afraid to call her.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
After I had come back down to North Carolina.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
I was afraid to call cause I was afraid of rejection.
I've been pushed away and rejected all my life, and
I was afraid for it to happen again, but I
didn't myself.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
It's not her. She didn't need Jack do. She opened
up her home in her heart and took care of you,
and he just walked away from her. Well, we got
together with Cindy and our affiliate WBTV Channel three in Charlotte,
North Carolina. They helped us prepare video tape the message
for her sister, Chris. Let's all take a look at
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that message as we see Chris watching.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
It for the first time.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Chris, I am a though exhamed that I haven't spoken
to you in over four years. You are the only
family that I have and I have done nothing but
taken advantage of you over the years.
Speaker 8 (12:00):
You were like a mother to me while we were
growing up, and I have done nothing but run away
from your love in front friendship.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
You opened your.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
Door when I needed you, and you also opened your
heart when I needed you the most. And I am
here to say that I am sorry for taking off
without saying goodbye, without saying anything, So if you could
please find it in your heart to forgive me, I
need you back in my life cause I miss you
so much.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Sindy, you waited over four long years to apologize to
your sister for leaving what you did, and if she's
willing to accept your apology, she'll be standing on the
other side of that door.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
We're gonna take a short break and when we come.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Back, we'll find out if she's here, we'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And see, that's one I'm kind of showed. That just
whips your heart out. See if people have a skill
to this day have a tendency to mistake kindness for weakness.
And she already said she did everything from it, and
I gave her nothing. Just listen, y'all, this is what
happened when you feel guilty, you know, when you go
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do the sideway thing and you think that what you know,
what you're doing is okay or this they'll get over it.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And it can be so heartbreaking. You know, your sisters.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I had three crazy sisters. I'm down the one crazy sister,
and she's down to the crazier crazy sister because she
will be the first.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
One to say yes.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
But you're older than me, Like I'm a like a
whole century older than she is, right, and you can't
you don't get those back. You get one mother, you
get one, well some people get one, two, three, four,
five mothers. She you know, That's what I would be
interested to know if her mother knew anything about this,
this rip between the two of them, since her brother said, how.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Do you kick out as eleven year old and a
four must have been drugs. Drugs are a stupid man,
because I mean, not just like real stuff on stupid.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Did you hear the story the other day? I think
they were in the park or some places, the male
and female crackheads.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
They're out there trying to sell on their baby for
a six pack of beer. What this was like a
couple of weeks ago, because it was like if right now,
I guess they did to say, well, you think we
just want to get a six pack and here you're
gonna have a baby. Thank god that person had the
presence of mind and say, okay, let me get this
child away from him and go call the authorities to
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come and get deep he gonna they just and they
want to go back.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It's not gonna happen. So and see people, this is
one I don't want to know. I mean, I will
read the story, and I read it on paper, and
I don't put any emotion into it until it's time
to get on the shelf. And if there have been
times I would preyment to say, there have been times
when I would have been on the other side of
the stage and they got to get my makeup together
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because I started crying, you know. And I can't even
imagine what.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
That feels like to have my sister walk away from
me and knew that she did at everything she could
from me, see.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Til for three years you tell me I'm found.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Lord, can't imagine I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And the I think the worst part of all of it,
she never said anything to her.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I bet you she'll say it, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I'm you know, I'm just I bet she would say, Well,
I prolonged it because I didn't know what to say
to you. And a week turned until a month, a
month turned endo and this is where I am now,
and she's still being eaten away by this at this time.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Let's see what she has to say to her sister.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Welcome back. We're here with Cindy Squire. She said the
one only person in her life she could ever depend
on was her oldest sister, Chris, and that she had
no real reason for walking away from Chris four years ago,
was out even saying could find right, sendy if your
sister's willing to accept your apologies for just dropping out
of her life like that with no explanation.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
She's standing on.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
The other side of that door, but please be ready.
She might not be there, maybe to hurt your calls.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
So she's just not ready to forgive you. Now are
you ready to find it? If she's here, you could
take your place in from of the door.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And said, I didn't know if they would be guide.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Your door or nothing.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I bet you that's a long time.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
To day's open. The door.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Forgiveness is so powerful. It's just so powerful.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Look at a dry and a joint and a dry
up it there? Okay, wait, wait your hold on either.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Just come on over you just okay, yes, walk that way.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I know, Chris, bring over here, my bringing over here.
Don't don't fall out on the show. Fam now wait wait, wait,
wait down Chris. Sydy has something she needs to say
(17:37):
to you, and Chris called in there throw out my
whole you know found all that.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
You've done everything everything I could ever want my mother
like you, And when I left you four years ago.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
I don't know why I just left. I didn't think
about how you would feel. I didn't think about all that.
Speaker 10 (17:59):
And I at the pub that was a frame like
even jet me hang up and I'm glad you did.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I didn't know if you were alive and if you
were dead. Nothing. I seen your son at during Lake.
He's eight years old. He looks just like you. I
could think about. Was you. That's all I've been thinking
about every.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Day in my life.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Why did you do it? I don't understand.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
I just don't understand why.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
She is so glad to see you.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
But she was so mad.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's what I was. I was you did to me.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I never thought i'd see her again. What did you think, Chris,
when she just walked away like that, just didn't say
anything to you.
Speaker 10 (18:52):
Well, I know she had a messed up life and
she had hired but I just didn't know why.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I thought maybe I did something to her.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I don't no, I don't know why.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Did she It wasn't anything she did tell her. It
was nothing you did. It was nothing.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
It was like the more love and friendship that you
were giving me. I was running from that because.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I taken advantage of it. Yeah, yeah, but I haven't gotten.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
It on my whole life, and I was just scared.
And I think about you every day, me and the kids,
and the kids.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Are going to love me so much.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Like we had no family, you know, the only ones
we have for each other.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
How could you ask why I was so hurt and
upset because we don't have a really a family and.
Speaker 10 (19:41):
The little family I had left left me like, I
don't know what I.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Thought I was doing something wrong? Yes, the man, Yes,
I just wanted to say, I'm glad to say I
give it up with one another because your sister there
is the most important thing in the world. Even though
it's four years to get with Lord, now you have
found each other again. So yes, so you block out
that door. You came out of that door.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Two.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Oh tell her that, Yeah, tell her about take it
to Dustiny and Tiffany. Destiny's fourteen months and week. Oh
my god, you just had a baby five weeks ago.
A baby, a whole human being came out to my
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five weeks ago. He was Yeah, she was premature. I
don't care what you like that. Wait, twenty six you
had the baby. She was walking around with the Vandosi. Yes, ma'am,
oh my god, Sydney and Chris, I mean, I'm I'm glad.
I sha'all forget her, forget everything. But where did you
go since you didn't have any other family? Because I
(20:55):
know it's hard running away from your family, but running
away a lover of the answers, you should stay in
sight here.
Speaker 11 (20:59):
By betimes, where did you go?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I went back down to North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
We have your one year old daughter here, Oh that
to bring her out? Say you can leave me.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I hope you don't pay the baby. Yes, you say
the baby like with.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
All and go on let me out, don't, sweetie. You're
in television. When you see me the fifteen, you're gonna
be mad. It's all right, sweet But I do like
your name is define because you named it that. Because
this is your destiny. He is your family like yours.
(21:46):
It's your Chris Hi, your family.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You just gotta good, Luther take again, never, I hope not.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Thank you so much for sharing your story with us.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
We'll be right down.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I keep forgetting that is me up here.
Speaker 8 (22:05):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I love the jewelry.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
People always have said that real, Like, yeah, they're real
that's why we had two arms, two armed guards outside.
As soon as I got off the stage, they were
unhutted off them.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
And I'm like, why where am I gonna wear this?
And many people are not gonna wanna snack. I wish
somebody would come up that clothes on me and try
to snap them off. I said that, and they were
they yes, they were. And that particular necklace that was
one of my favorite pieces in the Matthew ear rings.
It was just a sing how expensive it was. It's
probably even.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
More so now.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
That was almost a half a million dollars worth of
jewelry just on my fat neck. It was four hundred
and fifty thousand dollars and then the ear rings was
like fifty. I was like, I could, I could pay
off the whole all the people on lift on my
state for what's.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
On main neck.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
But see when you got it like that, you got
it like that. That's why you know. God said you
got to be comfortable in whatever space that you're is
and I said it was comfortable. But oh that was
got for me? Yes, I was okay, so that was
really good. Okay, what's up? I watch it like I
watch it like I told you my husband sell me
(23:13):
walk a pack her, Mama, why are you crying like that?
You know that you are mother, loved you know that.
And so after that he started calling me mother. I
don't think it. He only called me man.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Don't when he wants something other than that's almost like.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
A whole government name Mama mother. I'm like, oh, Lord,
I know he don't want something. Okay, so now what's
her first?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Next?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But God, I want to ask you this question of first,
you have a brother. Could you imagine walking away from
your brother and your father and your family and not
tell him where you were? They don't know if he
did damn to deliver?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
No, don't you know? I'm just asking. But you know,
sometimes family make you, you know, make you not want
to be around there.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
But this lady was there giving her heart, her soul,
her her sister. And you know you're you know my
I'm want better than that and I'll be your sister.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You can take care of me, just so you don't
have my maintenance. Okay, what's the next door? My favorite?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
We welcome back? Listen mean her next guest my Nina's
Enrica Rodriguez. I abused my wife for many years during
our marriage. I even heard her in front of our children.
I no longer treat her badly today. I want to
apologize for all the things I've done to her. Enrique,
(24:41):
why did you abuse your wife, i'd Abie, Well, I
grew up in an abusive family, and I thought that,
you know, as I grew up that, you know, my
parents would hit me to tell me to do things.
And when I got married, I thought that if I
did the same thing, my wife would listen to me
and do what I wanted her to do. And I
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f found out that I that's that wasn't the way
to go. I got married, I was eighteen, she was sixteen.
She couldn't cook, she couldn't clean, she didn't know what
I and I try to teach her all that things,
and I kind of.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Felt that, I don't know how. I said that she
should have been able to.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Do those things for me, and I got mad at
her and I would.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Take it out on her. I would hit her, I
would slap her, I would.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Doell and scream at her, even at sixteen. Yes, when
you're eighteen at the time, why would you think a
sixteen year old or ev did you even think.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
About the fact that she was only sixteen.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Oh well, at the point at the time, I I
didn't I didn't consider that at the time. I believe
I was selfish. I was just thinking of myself. I
I think I was maybe trying to turn it into
a robot or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
So now, how many years have you been married?
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Now?
Speaker 11 (26:07):
Twenty one years, will be married twenty.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Two years in December.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
How many kids do you have?
Speaker 6 (26:12):
I have five kids?
Speaker 5 (26:16):
And your children saw you abuse this woman? If they
did it that, you say, can you say you love her?
And you got five chip any sons?
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Yeah? I have one son.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Then your son saw the pattern of abuse repeated from
your father to Enrique to your son. Yeah, how has
this because I know it has to affect your children. First,
What is your relationship with your wife like? Because you
said you don't abuse her.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Anymore, Well, I don't abuse her anymore, but now it's
we're not that close. She she thre but she turns
me to leave. She wants to leave me. She wants
to leave me with the kids cause she says I
can handle 'em better cause they don't listen to her.
But I don't want her to leave. I want her
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to stay cause we're a unit.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
And for twenty one years and they're beating her. You're
beating her in front of your children. He ever hit
her in public? Yeah, he hitting her in public?
Speaker 6 (27:27):
You know? What about in front of other family members?
What I hit? I've done that too, you know.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
And now she's sixteen, So now she's been through this
trauma just about all of your married life. Just about
when did the if you stop in ninety one? You
set up a pattern for her? He said?
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Then is she care five of you?
Speaker 5 (27:51):
But she says she is not.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
But I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I'm not sure. When do things start to change? Well,
one time back, I think it was ninety we had
a real big fight. The police were called. They were
about seven police cars there. And my wife, she has
a wonderful heart.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
She has a real big heart. Cause she could have
put me in jail. She did. She sent me to
the hospital cause she knew what needed help.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
She sent you to a hospital. What kind of hospital
did she sent you to? Towards?
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Wait, wait, wait, way, hey, wait a minute, uh cause
you stop and think about what this man is saying.
We hear many times about men beating and abusing and
terrorizing their families, their wives, their children, and they won't
take responsibility. There are men laying dead because the woman
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was so terrified for her life. His wife didn't do this.
She loved him enough for.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
You to help.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
You to get that.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Now.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
She could have She could have she could have left you,
She could have did a lot of things to you.
She could have had your arrested. So she doesn't have
you arrested.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
She had to go to the hospital.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Yeah, is this your turning point? Oh no, I actually
went to the hospital about maybe seven times. The last
time when I went to the hospital, there's the gunseler
that opened up my eyes and shows me what I
was doing was wrong. Have you ever tried to apologize
to your what what's your name?
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Enrique Juanita?
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Have you ever tried to apologize to Waneda before? Because
I understand abuse it to hit their women in this
old baby, I'm sorry? Didn't you hit her again? Have
did you ever tell her you was sorry?
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Yeah? Pull up a lot of times that I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Well, why is now now on this show? Why is
today any different? And why should she forgive you?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Oh? D oh love?
Speaker 5 (30:09):
I think maybe all the time that that I said
I'm sorry. She didn't feel hasty, and I wanted her
to come and do this on national TV to show
everybody's that I amn't sorry and if anybody's out there
that he is being abused or its.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Abusing somebody, cause he used to get help. Until he's
get help, cause I put my family to help. And
now that my wife's writings that she's gonna leave, I'm leaving.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
I Hell now, I used to weigh one eighty seven,
you know, I weighed like one fordy.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Because of all this things, I can't feel him, but
I can't hear.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Sometimes I can't even be a proper dad than my
kids are.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Your proper dad. Has your son?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Is he?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
How does he?
Speaker 6 (31:09):
When he's thirteen?
Speaker 5 (31:10):
And he started a cycle, yes, a repeating this house, sir.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
He threatened his I got his seventeen year old that's pregnant.
She's gonna get married on October. And any time he
gets mad with her, he says she doesn't care she's
pregnant or out, he'll hit her.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
This is your this is his sister.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
He's talking too.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
And you're saying today to us, to one Needa, that
you are willing to stop this cycle of abuse and
take responsibility for what you've done, for the terror you've
caused your family. I've been doing that for a past
seven years, trying to take responsibility for what I've done.
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We sat down with Enrique early and help them prepare
video tape message for his wife Guanita.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Let's take a look at that message as we.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
See Juanita watching it for the first time. Juanita, I
feel like I'm the luckiest man in the world that
you're still with me after twenty one years, all the
abuse have put you through and the kids through, and
all the problems that we're having. I take full responsibility
for all I want for years to forgive me and
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to trust me again.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
All I want is a family.
Speaker 11 (32:34):
And the last few weeks you've been threatening.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
To leave and leave me with the kids and just disappear.
Speaker 11 (32:42):
And I don't want you to do that. I want
you to stay with me and the kids and supposed
could be a family, and I know it could be
what you wanted to be and what I wanted to be,
something real special, And if you can just come through
that door, it'll.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Make my whole day, whole day.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Oh, Henry Kae, I no how much you want your
wife one needed to accept your apologies, but those years
of abuse may be too difficult for her to forgive.
And if she feels that way, she will not be here,
you know, and she would have every right she wor
not to. What we're gonna do is take a little
break and.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
We'll find out if one need is on the other
side of that door or not.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
We'll be right back that I would have to say,
I I want to believe him, because I mean, you
just don't come on national TV and just you know,
pour your heart out like that. You know. Yeah, it's
it's almost a self preservation. I need you here with me.
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I need these kids anger here with me, and I
need you to be here because without y'all, we're not
a family. Well you should have thought about that before
you start tapping on up like she was a punching bag,
you know, and always say, oh, you know, I won't
do it again. I won't. I saw that pattern, and
I didn't. We didn't know it was called abusive.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
We thought our parents was abusing us. And if you
get in a woopingized was you getting the was never
into other families, you know, the the marriage part. And
I mean, I told you this stood.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Before one of my mother's friends had got up with this.
I mean, yeah, he was a big shot in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
You know, he'd go to fancy cars, Ruth to woo
to woo. And she was just little.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
She was like a little brown a little brown fairy.
She was just so tin and you know, everything fits
like she fished with, you know, and she was just
the sweetest person.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Well, come to find out, when he got into his
drunken rages, he would want to he want to throw
her her furniture over and break stuff.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
And I'm like, oh no, you don't.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Check up your own house. That's the reason I don't understand, taggy, Well,
you wouldn't put that on your house. Why would you
do that none, So that's I digress. And he was
beating this woman so bad. I wouldn't do why she
was wearing all that made I'm just a kid.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
And one went cold once tonight it was freezing out side.
She had on a little sexy lingerie. For whatever reason,
it that of set him and he literally threw her
out the great It was a two stories. He dragged
her down the stairs and threw out the back door
and her nightgown, no shoes, but the fact that he
picked his hands up and that was it. And so
(35:14):
they got their own kind of evans because back then
the police.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
And say, oh, I do that to my wife all
the time. You know, she's my property. She's gonna do
what I tell her to do.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
And he came up with the same time with this
ma cheese mo.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Look, I'm the man. I'm the one supposed to do
all the dictatement and tell you what to do. And
I tell you to jump, you jump?
Speaker 5 (35:31):
How high?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
That's what you're responsible.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
How you jumped from me? How high?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Should be My response?
Speaker 5 (35:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
And so many women, unfortunately continue to grow up in
those kind of environments. And haven't heard women say I'd
rather have a piece of a man than no man.
And if you got that, you got a piece of
a man. Because what's the thing.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
He's not gonna leave you. You know he got a
gravy training right here. You all got five children and
seventeen year old pregnant. Well, you knew that that wasn't
gonna fall too far from the apple tree. Had somebody, somebody,
somebody didn't explain to you guys, what this means in
it and didn't explain to you. And the fact that
you went to a mental which was great.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
She loved you enough to take you to a house
so that you needed to be in And you know,
so many people of color think therapy is like a
Nancy dirty word. I'm so glad that this dying is
was talking about mental health issues because you know, back then,
you come in the house and you've got long face.
What they're gonna say to you, chepherd, But what they're
gonna say to you walking the house with a long face.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Right, yeah, like what you better be a man, suck
it up all that stuff, right, you.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Can't show any emotions. Me Emotional men are are weak men.
And I gonna say, I don't think. I don't think
that's how that go.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I think y'all got out something kind of crazy going on,
you know, because I'm like, I don't I have never
needed since my father passed away, I have never needed
a man to do anything.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
For me or not anything. I would shut up mother,
you know, And I came to the table home. I
wasn't expecting him to met. Oh with you, I'm complete now.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
I'm I'm gonna complete.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
When you when I come to you. I got my
own job, I got my own money. I do what
I want to do with it. You know what, I
don't have to take a lot of stuff. But I honestly, well,
I know the biggest reason why my husband and I
have been together so long is because he is my
dearest friend on the planet. And when you marry your friends,
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we are a lot more tolerant of our friends than
we are of our love partners, you know. And I
couldn't even imagine him hitting on any anybody. Well, I
did see him hit this guy one time, and he
wasn't mad at the guy, and I was like, okay,
and I'm coming down the hallway and I'm seeing him
and he just he hit the guy so hard that
(37:51):
the crystal and his watch popped off. And he's my husband.
In a south part when we was in college. I
was like, he could something, he said, I said, don't
you everything? He said, you could do that to me?
He said, I would never think to do that to you.
I got a mother and a sister, and I like, you, chicks,
that ain't gonna happen. One of the sweetest guys, you know.
And if you want to know how a guy is ladies,
(38:13):
let me tell you this. This want to know how
guys really are with women. Check out their relationships with
the other women in their life, with their mother, with
their sisters, with former girlfriends, you know the girls. That's
just your friends, you know, not I'm not a what
they called it?
Speaker 3 (38:28):
What a booty call?
Speaker 6 (38:29):
I thought?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I was like, oh cool, what's a booty call? They
had explaining that to me, saying, you know, I was
out of it for a long time. But this this
is generational.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
He saw it.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
He's replicating it. And his son is thirteen and told
his seventeen year old pregnant sister, I will hit you anywhere.
I don't care if you're pregnant. You know, that's a
whole buss that's gotta be cut up there. All right,
let me say, if i'm lem, do I need to
hold on to some furniture?
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Oh my face grows up again. But out here okay,
I'm mean whereby?
Speaker 5 (38:58):
And then Rinko Rodrien. He gives us him to apologize
to his wife, Vanita for the years he spent abusing
her in her home and being a bad father and
a bad husband and not a really good provider for
his children, and Rick says he no longer mistreat his wife,
but she still feels grateful that she's with him after
everything he put her through.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
And we can't funny he is willing to forgive you.
That's one heck of a woman. That is one heck
of a woman because you put her through hell.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
I said, there your children and yourself, but you've been
willing to stop the cycle of abuse and take responsibility.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
For your action.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
Is or they deserve that?
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Are you ready to find him?
Speaker 6 (39:44):
She's going to forgive you money.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
Go take your place in front.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Of the door.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Why not ready?
Speaker 5 (39:55):
Okay, Enrica Rodrina, let's open the door.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I called out it. We don't know, we don't know,
we don't know, and I think we can't. We stayed
in touch. It tim my big party cause you know,
Ki get mother there. You have the best pycologist there
and you say, don't mess a TV, don't make me
(40:28):
come over your house.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
He's beautiful and he wanted them for She's waited twenty
one years to give her to You tell me to
tell uh, oh, we come out then, So let him
tell you one day.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
That he owes you this.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
I am so sorry.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
Lord.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
The interviews, I push him the kids through. I love
you so much. I wanna go over the time with
you and kids on finding her.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
I think this er.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
Think they said better than one nice ched of though.
And I'm gonna work my hardy to give them what
kids and need and what they deserve. And I really
really know.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
If you paid me, I reply, do you just wanted
the ChIL w story?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
They had another ride their hope, M.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
What's a school? You don't want me to? What do
you want to do to him? He said when he
got married, I was sixteen, he was eighteen. Tell him
kill him? It n They didn't come with instructures, you know,
matters doesn't come with instructions. Kids don't come with instructions.
(41:50):
All I wanna do is who can try to make
it work and go get sick help and so let
we don't drag it on to the kids, and the
kids don't drag it to their kids.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
For me using him doing this thing?
Speaker 3 (42:02):
And I do love you.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
You thought I wouldn't be him?
Speaker 12 (42:06):
Sure, yeah, that's the kind of ir They're like, okay.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Yeah, well I made you get a flaw.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Everybody got me. Wow, you didn't even notice it.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
All right, it's just you and Enrique and me and
a few of our close friends. Give me, give her
a tissue right there in Rique, pick one for yourself,
not a box. And then I don't find no I Needa.
He said, you don't want him to pass and so
along to your kids. No, And he said that you
have a thirteen year old son and he already sees
(42:59):
his the temper developing.
Speaker 13 (43:01):
And that's my son, Enrique Junior. He don't have us
back temper. So what we're trying to break the UH
cycle with him? So are you looking to get Enrique
some counseling as well to try.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
To help him. Yeah, I've mentioned it to her that
you I think we need to come in a hospital
so he can start talking with somebody abi his temper.
He calls it about will if you need it. We
have a counselor backstage, so it's willing to help you
set up some counseling sessions for yourselves, for your son,
(43:39):
for your daughter, because he says that you have a
seventeen year old daughter who's he can see that she's
looking for abusive men as well. She demands. Yeah, she's
very demanding. I Thank you both. I thank you you
taking the opportunity to come and share this with us
in Rique. You do. There are millions of women who
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are going through the very thing you've put one of
it through, who might not feel that.
Speaker 6 (44:09):
They can change.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
Would you just tell them that they can they can change.
They It wasn't just I didn't I didn't blame him.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
They had to do what his upbringing.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
At him taking responsibility. Lot of men think that, you know, oh,
I can't hit her telling my wife I could do
whatever I want.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
You know, I'm a man.
Speaker 6 (44:31):
I'm a man. That doesn't make a man. That's just.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
He's walked. As they say today, I can't see it
any better.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
Thank you very much. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I wonder how they turned out, I do.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Do you know their kids would be grown now, dance something,
they might be grandparents. I think that's one of the
you know, back in the day, you know, when we
had so many indentured servants and slaves, and they were
just so supposed to do what you tell them to
do because you're my property. And then they go home
after they've been in the field or in the house
cooking and clean them whatever they're doing. And they come
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home to an abusive person and they didn't.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Know what to do.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
They would just tell work or do what I tell
you to do. And a lot of men, unfortunately in
the twenty first century.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Still feel the same way. Right, I don't get it.
I should never understand a man putting his hand on
a woman under any circumstances. And you still, I don't
care how big a little you are.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
You know, you got better upper body strength than a woman,
you know, Just like that guy threw that lady out
the door, you know, and her nightgown and he just
threw out there like a rag doll, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
And she actually my mother had us go over and
help her out, get her out there. My brothers and
then went out there and picked her up with a
blanket and brought her in our house. And she was
like freezing.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
And other people didn't know what to do because you
know what they say, you don't want to get him
grown folk business.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
We got that, remember that. Now it's it's now it's
if you see something, say something, you gotta say something.
And we no person deserves to be treated like that or.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
To grow up in either even a volatile environment like
in Mari gave what's growing up there? And I premus
just say, I'll bet you if his grandfather was around,
he did the same thing to his father and him.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
And it's generational. And they have said and they believe
they justified, well, she's my wife, she's my girlfriend, she's
my property. I was like, okay, dude, if I was
your property, you could not afford me. Are you kidding? No?
And then he would gonna work like that. When I
first got out there to California, and it was to
me to make all these deals out. And I was
(46:49):
always so spash because I still am so. I watched
the uh the ticker tape on the Dow Jones, you know,
see what's going on? Come on and see what happy?
Speaker 1 (46:57):
And what's the price to go today? Price would go
to pound is going ounce? It says eight dollars and
fifty cents.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I'd go get my scale. I would bring it in
to the bringing it into the to the meeting with
me how much scale like this? And when wait, wait, wait,
hold off for one minute, I say. And I would
always tell them to to well, what do you want?
Speaker 5 (47:15):
What do you want my to do?
Speaker 2 (47:17):
I would said the third thing, I'm gonna do want
is the jewelry? Well, hell is she going to jewel
what's the first and second.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
Thing she want?
Speaker 4 (47:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Cause it always better get a handle on her, going
with my good, with my pasty, my my uh uh scale.
When my trusty scaled, it was coming to me and
I I'm put it on the first and wa. This
is the only time I did kill people.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Saw when I weighed, Okay, I get on the scale.
It said I want a hundred ninety five pounds.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
I said, okay, I want that, and go just give
me a hundred ninety and sixteen ounces and a pound
said at sixteen times a hindred ninety five thousand. Yeah,
that'd ad to.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
Do it for me.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
It was like who is present in her?
Speaker 1 (47:54):
I'm like, God is representing me? And they said we
gotta get her agent cause he's insane. I didn't know
how the game work.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
I'm was like like she said, I didn't get a
husband hand booth, I didn't get a chill in the
hand boot.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
I'm just going with what's suposed to be doing.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
So I just got up scaled and they were like, oh,
you know, and don't let me gain weight. I remember
when I got up to two hundred and twelve pounds.
They was like, she must be stopped. I mean, y'all
don't even know whose child y'all fooling with? Okay, and
you don't fool with God's still you don't. He don't
play and our honors are too short? The box of guy, Okay,
what's my That was a great place.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
And how did you ever see it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I'm telling you it is truly. It was just a
phenomenal play.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
They could bring that back right now and be just
this till me now as we were back then. Because
your look telling about the gun with God. You like
the dining store.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
You got the little body, short guns, and you might
have a big movie or some big people. That's all
you got going for you. Okay, man, it's too short.
I know my fuck? Okay, so what's the next? I'm
just all excited out and pissed at the same time.
Speaker 5 (48:58):
If I could be let's meet her next guest.
Speaker 14 (49:02):
My name is Natasha Brown. My mom wanted me to
postpone my wedding date for one week so she could
be there. I refused to change the date, so my
mom ended up missing my wedding. I regret what I
did I owe my mom a big apology.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
Natasha, why didn't you change your wedding date for your mom? Well,
why wouldn't you change your wedding date for your mother?
Speaker 6 (49:24):
Myran mother love.
Speaker 5 (49:25):
I was stubborn.
Speaker 10 (49:26):
I had the attitude, this is my life, I can
do it, live it how I want to live it,
and I just wanted went on.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Through with it.
Speaker 5 (49:33):
Even your mother, your one mother. Are you her only daughter?
Now my avenger sister, so you're her oldest daughter. So
you're the first one to get married and you refuse
to even change it.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
By a week.
Speaker 10 (49:50):
Because I had I had my cake, I had my dress,
I had everything together, and I wanted to do it.
Speaker 5 (49:55):
Then okay, so wait a minute. So you made these
wedding plans and you didn't even bother to include your
mother on it.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
I'm in it.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
It's a while to playing a wedding. No, it happened like.
There's me and my boyfriend. We had dated two and
a half months. I know, and yeah, wait, wait, you
wouldn't have been together two and a half months.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
See it's like this.
Speaker 10 (50:12):
Our families are very close. My grandmother named him and everything,
but we really didn't.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
Know each other.
Speaker 10 (50:18):
And I met him one day.
Speaker 5 (50:21):
We dated two and a half months.
Speaker 10 (50:22):
We spent every day together and then on a Friday he.
Speaker 5 (50:26):
Was at you know, we married me? And I said yeah.
He said next week and I said yeah, and we
were gonna emo. But that Monday I was like, I
gotta tell my mom. So actually we only hit four days.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
So what did you do?
Speaker 5 (50:39):
Get married at the justice of the piece of union.
We had a chunch wedding in four days.
Speaker 10 (50:44):
I had my bridesmaid, my maid of honor, my flower girl.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
I had everything. So you could get all these.
Speaker 6 (50:50):
Two be together for in four days.
Speaker 5 (50:52):
But you didn't have enough dumption to have your mother there.
Why couldn't she be there at the time that you
wanted to get married?
Speaker 6 (50:59):
Natasha, and she had church commitments that she breaks.
Speaker 10 (51:02):
I knew she couldn't break it, and but I alice self,
I was stopping mother in life, and.
Speaker 5 (51:09):
I wanted to do it when I wanted to do it.
You couldn't wait seven more days while your mother had
a commitment.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Now would you put it?
Speaker 5 (51:17):
Just let me play the devil's advocate here. How would
you would have felt if you planned this whole wedding
months in advance? Your mother knew about it, and she said, oh, well,
I can't be at your wedding cause I have something
else to do. I would have been hurt, I know,
I would have been hurt. And she was hurt. She
was very hurt by it, hurt. I devastated.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, so what did she say to you?
Speaker 5 (51:41):
What did you go and say to her? After you
have this wedding that she that you knew she couldn't attend.
You were really too selfish to said, well, will pumps
on it for a week? Not even a day? Was
her church functioned for a whole week, for the weekend,
for the weekend, and you got married on the weekend
and you just simply couldn't do this. What did you
(52:02):
say to her? Well, she c when you come back
and your ms is married and your mother says to you,
when Natasha, how was your wedding or did you come
in here to take bre What did you what did
you do?
Speaker 10 (52:15):
What did you say to her? We really didn't talk
about it. She, you know, gave us a wa a card,
you know, to take congratulations on your wedding, and we
had videotaped it, and you know, and I showed it
to her. You know, she cried because she was sorry
that she couldn't have been there. But you know, back then,
I was, I was just that selfish.
Speaker 5 (52:34):
So no, why now?
Speaker 6 (52:35):
I mean, how long have you been married?
Speaker 5 (52:37):
Two years? So why now it's been two years? Why
why are you apologizing now to her? Now? Cause I
have a son and I want her and my son
to get a bond.
Speaker 10 (52:46):
Plus, I want us to get back closer cause we were,
we were close, and I want us to get back
how close we were.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
And because of this, and you've distanced yourself from her. Yeah,
I had I the way I was back saying my love,
I was I was terrible. I was just I had
a attitude problem. Oh well, I'm glad you've had. You
gone to AA attitude adjustment class. We sat down with
Natasha and helped.
Speaker 6 (53:13):
Her prepare a video tape message for her mom.
Speaker 5 (53:15):
Rita. We have read a lot backstage with us today.
Let's get a set up to join us now, Rita, welcome,
gosh Hi. I'm gonna play you a message from your daughter, Natasha,
and then I'm going to ask you to make a
decision about whether you wanna come through the Door's all,
take a look at Natasa's Natasha this message.
Speaker 14 (53:34):
Now, I want you to know that I'm really sorry
for how my wedding day was pun.
Speaker 5 (53:40):
I know you really didn't approve of my quick marriage,
but I was too selfish and self absorsed.
Speaker 10 (53:46):
Listen to your feelings and take them into consideration, and
I really regret that.
Speaker 5 (53:51):
I want you to know that if I could do
it all over again, I.
Speaker 10 (53:54):
Would have waited that extra week that you wanted me
to wait so that you could have been there to
give me away.
Speaker 5 (54:00):
I want you to know that it hurts me very bad.
Speaker 10 (54:02):
You know how selfish and how I was acting, and
I'm here to tell you that.
Speaker 5 (54:08):
I'm sorry and I want to see something much closer.
Especially since there's a grandson in the picture.
Speaker 10 (54:13):
Now, please accept my apology cause I'm truly sorry.
Speaker 5 (54:18):
Really don't say anything yet.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
I'm gonna ask you to think about what you just heard.
Speaker 5 (54:21):
Well, could take a break, and when we come back,
we'll find out if you're ready to come through the
door and accept Natasha's apology. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
See how's moved I was, and move up from the
st from the studio and move back down the suit
in his chairs. I looked really good.
Speaker 10 (54:36):
At this.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
We really were good at this. We had a great team.
And it's really cool because I still get a.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
Chance to talk to several of them now, you know,
and watching their watching their stars rides and.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
You know, doing what they do. One of my prout,
one of my uh what's he my executive director? He
was a director and he went on to be a
big shot over at ESP Yes he did. When my
can't hay, we have no okay, okay, well, at least
(55:09):
come blast. She recognized that what she did was not
right and how she crushed her mother. I mean, I
got a son, and I couldn't even imagine not being
too at it with well, mostly because I controlled ninety
percent of it. So that's just what's gonna happen. I mean,
like I told him, anybody talking about marriage, I'm gonna
be right there with you. It ain't it's not us.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Its gonna be y'all waddy because it's always the bride's day.
The bride's day.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
They not get that, okay, but the husband get married to.
Dude got friends, he wanted people I'm like and see,
we had known each other for years. That's why we
had such a big wedding. Everybody said it was a
big wedding. It full account of was. We had thirty
six people in the bride party, thirteen for every year,
one person for every year we had been together. So
we had thirteen bridesmaids, the girls, and we had a
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junior bridesmaid. We had a flow of the flower person
and I mean it was a full of pack, full
of pack. We had to get to the guys. The
little boy to carry the ring the ring bear. We
had to stop him in the middle of him walking
down the aisle because she's say, you want this case
with the jewelry felt like and West been walking out
our and he trying to pull the drink off the
(56:16):
string and I'm like, somebody getting him and this is
in the middle of a way. It was like a
comedy of eras.
Speaker 5 (56:22):
It was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (56:23):
And you know, y'all knew really good we had and
that's pretty good enough. How became a wedding coordinator?
Speaker 3 (56:29):
You know?
Speaker 1 (56:29):
And they get me as much booze as you want
to drink in my drinking baby, Okay, let's find out
what Nata Jathlea.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
She woke up and found out and realized what she
done and how she had really hurt her mother because
I couldn't even imagine not being there at my thous wedding.
He's beautiful. Both of them are dorking.
Speaker 5 (56:51):
Welcome back. We've been talking with that Tashaw. Listen. It's
all her parts and her mom ended up missing her wedding.
She said she was only thinking of herself when she
refused to postpone the day to accommodate her. So, Natasha,
if your mom is willing to accept your apology for
not including.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
Her in the most important day of your life.
Speaker 5 (57:13):
One of the most important days, she's gonna be standing
on the other side of that door.
Speaker 6 (57:19):
But you have to understand she might be so heart still.
Speaker 5 (57:23):
He it's been two years, but she's not in your
wedding pictures or anything because of your selfishness.
Speaker 6 (57:29):
And are you ready to find her that she's here?
Speaker 5 (57:32):
Yeah, couldn't make a move.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
You stuck event right there as you got on a
loved office.
Speaker 5 (57:41):
Okay, Natasha, let's open the door.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
Say nah, that's fair, that's real Fad. Then I'd go
up the tod that had been me. I would head off.
You hate Wad, but you not married me. They came mad.
I wasn't married.
Speaker 5 (58:04):
Well, I know then when we got married, I hurt,
but I'm whenly sorry, and.
Speaker 10 (58:11):
When we could do it over again, you would have
been there to give me away and been there to.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
Stand by my side.
Speaker 5 (58:16):
And then when we're sorry and times I accept your apolotier,
but it it hurts for one thing. You know, I
I raised you better than there.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
And.
Speaker 10 (58:33):
It's a mother's joy to see her doing get married
and help her path.
Speaker 15 (58:36):
Or wedding, and you know it, it was really hurtful
when you just didn't wanna wait, you know, and I
feel you know, you were too young and didn't have
a chance to talk. Your husband didn't even ask permission
people married, and that's maybe seem a little old fashioned.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
But you know.
Speaker 5 (58:56):
That you should have asked and we should have planned
and wedding for you. And you're you know, Natasha, you
told me something and I want you to share that
with the audience about your true relationship with this woman
and how you.
Speaker 6 (59:10):
Hurt her doubly bad.
Speaker 10 (59:15):
Well, she's not my natural mother, she's my aunt, but
she's raised me from day one, so she's my She's
not only my mother, but she's my mommy.
Speaker 6 (59:27):
And looks that away from her.
Speaker 2 (59:29):
Oh, couldn't let me ask.
Speaker 5 (59:32):
You this out of curiosity, like maybe on your fifth
ediverse you ever thought about having another wedding so she
could be there to do this for you. We alright,
we've already.
Speaker 10 (59:41):
Started talking about it, cause we'll be back my husband,
he's in a military, and we'll be back in Virginia
by then and
Any everybody, You're even more fabulous, Mother Love coming to
you live and in living color.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Right here on this place, in our love station, on
my right. If you would be on my well on
either side. He what other side he's on with me?
He's good, this is shaxy more.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I would have to preavented to say, I'm gonna say
you are the best fan I've ever had.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Honest and goodness. I wouldn't. I mean a tough me
people have.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I have been bestole with wonderful things present from people.
They helped me with my Santa Helper in the hood.
But this time of the year, and so if I
want to do something, help me.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Be Santa Teper and the hood, you can hit that QR.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Cod but they said you can hit that QR cold
and you could donate to the.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Uh you know, Mother Love or under Christmas series. I'm
Santa's Helper in the hoods.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So that's why I loved dress up in my outfit.
I got checked my two little girls. One time set
the twins, we were riding on the fire fire truck
and Santa was gonna be on that fire truck with us,
so he said the cherried back there, we're getting ready
to get on the uh, get on the get on
the on the on the on the fires truck. And
I was talking to and I said, oh, these are
(01:09):
under Christmas spirits. A set of identical twins who spoke
in complete unitsy.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
They went, that's those are fairy wings. I said, excuse me,
those are now fairy wings. She did the ster pensil.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
They got sa, no, those are not terry wings. I said, well,
what she said, they're butterfly wings and the way they're.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
There, and they just came back to me with it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
They were like, if those are not butterfly, those are
not fair. That's my fairy wings. That's a butterfly wing.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
And I was like, I have been checked by five
year olds and they were absolutely white.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
They were not fairy wings. They were butterfly wings. So
then the next year we did that. We did it
again and she said, they both said, oh you got
the right wings.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Now.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
See, sometimes in life you got to have the right wings.
You know, you got to know butterfly, you know butterfly
fly certain way. Listen, we got a bird that flies backwards,
so I mean bird, I mean, what if we have
to just make sure we take care of.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
That you got and when you can get checked by
a child pair atticstans that, and when you get checked
by an elder. And I just found I just got
the season a citizens of status. Well but not only.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
My first part of battling is over and we all
gonna have to live with this crack showed up. No,
I thought about that. We're gonna talk about the craziest
that happen on forgiver for yes.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
But if I was a host many many years ago,
and I actually with the pedio mother love, and I
didn't know you I could be with the pediot, I'm goutiable.
I know they got my government name up there.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
No I did not.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I was like, wait, look like they get all.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
This differmation imeer that you know. My husband looked at me, like,
where do you think they got it from? You know
you told them? Now, I said, I ain't never tell
people out here how to spell my name. And I
don't know somebody I went to school with told them.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
How to spell my correct name. And that's what I
would respond to. And you know something, when they call
you by your whole government.
Speaker 5 (02:58):
Name, you know, Jackson Smith, why you gotta call my who?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
And when your mom and Grandma'm gonna call you by
your whole name, you know you and and he.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Was trying to hed give him bit in that place. Well,
he said, all right, let me think what.
Speaker 5 (03:16):
I what did I do?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
That was warning her father or her calling my whole name?
And I was gonna and you're thinking you racking your
great I'm gonna get beat them. I'm gonna get cussed out.
What kind of weapon are may go into you?
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Whos?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
You know my favorite one that I really hated. Grand
didn't give me a switch? Wait, so I had to
look at my face, like, you want me go in
the backyard and get a branch.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
I twigg a switch and matter of fact, get three
of them and they better not be too old because
I want a nine young and supper.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
So when I pack, you gonna know you been cracked twice.
Oh so you want me to go out and get
a weapon for you to beat me with. I did
that till one time she said go and get me out.
She was after that, she never did. She never asked
me to go get a switch a belt mother, because
I can't. Mom put a big fluffy belt for her duster.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Fun Let me say, beat me what.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
This was, Oh, as we got older, we would sit
down and remin that's about our lives and what have you.
She said, oh, yeah, because my name was red Handkerchif's
head halfer. You see, I got no, they don't know me.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
I thought that was my man.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
I thought that was much you red handkerchiefs head helper.
I ate got two wages in it. Some must be something. No,
I'm so I go, and I said, I moved here.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I got a.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Belt for her. This time I ain't get. I went
upstairs in her bedroom, which I was the only kid
allowed in her bedroom at the time. And when it
got the tough guy, I never forget. It's a big
fluffy one. You don't have had to put it on.
They looked like they were two hundred pound because the
thing is so thick. I came back with her. She
looked at me. She said, you real happiness to the head.
Help up. He don't get a pot of moth's face
right now. And I learned that when she's talking to
(04:58):
me like this, that was her Ben laugh said then
I'm gonna look all my presibilities with this real hand
it to be a help for And I said, well,
my mom, why didn't you always kill your towe She
wasn't cooking at the time, she thought in the bathtub
at the time, she'd have just a towel on one
handcuff over her shoulder. And I said, Mama, you always
have a handtiled on this shoulder. She said, because I.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Knew y'all was gonna say something stupid than me. Somebody's
gonna do something stupid than me, and I need to
bite this towel so they can't here.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Y'all can't know. I'm laughing. What he could have told
me that that I could get out of a beat
him with sometimes, but not a lesson?
Speaker 5 (05:32):
What we?
Speaker 2 (05:32):
What shack?
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Can I do?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
We? He picks them, He picks the episodes, He picks
sooth the guess they're gonna be. I watched it like
a fan, and I get I do it. I get
caught up with it, and I try not to be
y'all with me. So he gets the clips from Forgive
and Forget twenty six years ago. I still got it.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I got it even more even though it was a
lot less than me. Uh now, so tell us what
we got on tap today?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
He picked them good but two and this is a
good one.
Speaker 6 (06:00):
I think you got a good one.
Speaker 7 (06:03):
Uh so three stories.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
The first one, Sidey Squires is coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
She's gonna ask for her.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Sister's forgiveness because she ran away from her and she
hasn't spoken to her in four years at the four
years up until.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Okay, yeah that was sound kind of nasty.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Yeah that's pretty Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Oh ye good. You got all this stuff going on.
I don't have to text the button.
Speaker 7 (06:34):
Now the whole to forgive her, forget, mother in love,
always looking for.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
You know, everyone's welcome to forgive her. Forget.
Speaker 8 (06:54):
Let's meet our first catch. My name is Cindy Squires.
When I was growing up, my sister was like a
mother to me. She was the only person I could
count on. Four years ago, I walked out of her
life without saying goodbye. I owe her an apology and
an explanation.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
You, Sandy, and I know you loved suddenly. But before
we talk about that, tell me about your relationship with
your sister.
Speaker 8 (07:20):
While I was growing up, she was always there for me.
My mother picked us out when I was about.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Four years old. Leave my huncles. You get kicked out
at four years old?
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Your baby.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
When my sister was there for me throughout my whole life.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
She was like my mother.
Speaker 5 (07:44):
So now you so you had a close relationship. Is
she a lot older than you are? Yes, she had
seven years older than me. Oh that's really not a
lot older if you're like seven, if you're four, she's eleven.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (07:57):
But while we were growing up, I said, she was
always there for me. And then when I was about
eight or nine years old, I went into a foster
home and then I kept in contact with her, and.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Throughout the years she was always there.
Speaker 8 (08:12):
I couldn't pick up the phone and she was there
to hear me anytime I had a question anything.
Speaker 5 (08:18):
She was always there for me.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
And then when I was fifteen, I went and stayed
with her.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
I moved in with her when I was fifteen, and
we did things together.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
We went everywhere together, and I lived there until I
was about eighteen years old.
Speaker 8 (08:33):
And after I had moved out, she would come spend
weekends with me with her children, and I'd go spend
the weekends with her with my children, and we just
always had a very close relationship.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
It was so Sindy.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Why would you just up and leave a close relationship
like vis for no reason?
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Was there a reason.
Speaker 8 (08:58):
No, there wasn't a real then. But when I did leave,
she was asking, Cindy, where's money. You know you've been
staying here month and a half.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
You know you got a couple bucks you can give me.
Speaker 8 (09:11):
Yeah, okay, Chris, I will, you know in a couple
of days, this week I will, or next week I will.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
And I never did. I never gave never gave her.
Speaker 8 (09:20):
Anything, did you I act like I didn't appreciate her.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
I was just, yeah, she'll do this for me, she'll do.
Speaker 8 (09:27):
That for me, and you have no advantage of it.
I took advantage of her, and I feel so guilty
for that.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
So you felt little sense of responsibility even after you
become an adult. Could you have helped her? Could you
have given her a few dollars here and there? Yes?
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I could have.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I could have, but I never did. It was just no,
I want the money. I need it.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
Hit a moment.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
We'll hear your apology to your.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Sister, but first I want you to listen to her
talk about how she felt when you left her four
years ago. Yeah, yeah, my sister, Cindy. I took her
in as my.
Speaker 8 (10:02):
Own child, I raised her as my own kid. I
adopted her. I took care of her for years. She
has always been with me. Towards the end, I don't
know what happened. She stabbed me in the back. She
told her friends, we're a terrible mother.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
I am.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
I did everything for her. I trigged her like a queen.
I took her in at the last minute. I was
always there for her. That's the things I get.
Speaker 8 (10:29):
I haven't heard from her years. I didn't know if
she was alive or dead, or where she was. Always
thinking about her, wondering where she is, if she's okay
or not.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
No.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Oh, this is the thingks I get.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
She just walked out.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Of my life and I haven't heard from her years.
Speaker 6 (10:45):
I'm seek she's sweetie.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Sure did? She took you in, did everything she could
for you, and she didn't even know if you were living.
Speaker 8 (11:00):
I didn't tell her I was coming back down to
North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
He didn't tell her anything. You didn't pick up the
phone me they call her.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
You didn't write her.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
No. I at first I was afraid to call her.
Speaker 4 (11:10):
After I had come back down to North Carolina.
Speaker 8 (11:12):
I was afraid to call cause I was afraid of rejection.
I've been pushed away and rejected all my life, and
I was afraid for it to happen again, but I
didn't myself.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
It's not her. She didn't need Jack do. She opened
up her home in her heart and took care of you,
and he just walked away from her. Well, we got
together with Cindy and our affiliate WBTV Channel three in Charlotte,
North Carolina. They helped us prepare video tape the message
for her sister, Chris. Let's all take a look at
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that message as we see Chris watching.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
It for the first time.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
Chris, I am a though exhamed that I haven't spoken
to you in over four years. You are the only
family that I have and I have done nothing but
taken advantage of you over the years.
Speaker 8 (12:00):
You were like a mother to me while we were
growing up, and I have done nothing but run away
from your love in front friendship.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
You opened your.
Speaker 8 (12:09):
Door when I needed you, and you also opened your
heart when I needed you the most. And I am
here to say that I am sorry for taking off
without saying goodbye, without saying anything, So if you could
please find it in your heart to forgive me, I
need you back in my life cause I miss you
so much.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Sindy, you waited over four long years to apologize to
your sister for leaving what you did, and if she's
willing to accept your apology, she'll be standing on the
other side of that door.
Speaker 6 (12:42):
We're gonna take a short break and when we come.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
Back, we'll find out if she's here, we'll be right back.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
And see, that's one I'm kind of showed. That just
whips your heart out. See if people have a skill
to this day have a tendency to mistake kindness for weakness.
And she already said she did everything from it, and
I gave her nothing. Just listen, y'all, this is what
happened when you feel guilty, you know, when you go
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do the sideway thing and you think that what you know,
what you're doing is okay or this they'll get over it.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
And it can be so heartbreaking. You know, your sisters.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I had three crazy sisters. I'm down the one crazy sister,
and she's down to the crazier crazy sister because she
will be the first.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
One to say yes.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
But you're older than me, Like I'm a like a
whole century older than she is, right, and you can't
you don't get those back. You get one mother, you
get one, well some people get one, two, three, four,
five mothers. She you know, That's what I would be
interested to know if her mother knew anything about this,
this rip between the two of them, since her brother said, how.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Do you kick out as eleven year old and a
four must have been drugs. Drugs are a stupid man,
because I mean, not just like real stuff on stupid.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Did you hear the story the other day? I think
they were in the park or some places, the male
and female crackheads.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
They're out there trying to sell on their baby for
a six pack of beer. What this was like a
couple of weeks ago, because it was like if right now,
I guess they did to say, well, you think we
just want to get a six pack and here you're
gonna have a baby. Thank god that person had the
presence of mind and say, okay, let me get this
child away from him and go call the authorities to
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come and get deep he gonna they just and they
want to go back.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It's not gonna happen. So and see people, this is
one I don't want to know. I mean, I will
read the story, and I read it on paper, and
I don't put any emotion into it until it's time
to get on the shelf. And if there have been
times I would preyment to say, there have been times
when I would have been on the other side of
the stage and they got to get my makeup together
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because I started crying, you know. And I can't even
imagine what.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
That feels like to have my sister walk away from
me and knew that she did at everything she could
from me, see.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Til for three years you tell me I'm found.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Lord, can't imagine I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
And the I think the worst part of all of it,
she never said anything to her.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I bet you she'll say it, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I'm you know, I'm just I bet she would say, Well,
I prolonged it because I didn't know what to say
to you. And a week turned until a month, a
month turned endo and this is where I am now,
and she's still being eaten away by this at this time.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Let's see what she has to say to her sister.
Speaker 5 (15:46):
Welcome back. We're here with Cindy Squire. She said the
one only person in her life she could ever depend
on was her oldest sister, Chris, and that she had
no real reason for walking away from Chris four years ago,
was out even saying could find right, sendy if your
sister's willing to accept your apologies for just dropping out
of her life like that with no explanation.
Speaker 6 (16:08):
She's standing on.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
The other side of that door, but please be ready.
She might not be there, maybe to hurt your calls.
Speaker 9 (16:15):
So she's just not ready to forgive you. Now are
you ready to find it? If she's here, you could
take your place in from of the door.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
And said, I didn't know if they would be guide.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Your door or nothing.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
I bet you that's a long time.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
To day's open. The door.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Forgiveness is so powerful. It's just so powerful.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
Look at a dry and a joint and a dry
up it there? Okay, wait, wait your hold on either.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Just come on over you just okay, yes, walk that way.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
I know, Chris, bring over here, my bringing over here.
Don't don't fall out on the show. Fam now wait wait, wait,
wait down Chris. Sydy has something she needs to say
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to you, and Chris called in there throw out my
whole you know found all that.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
You've done everything everything I could ever want my mother
like you, And when I left you four years ago.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
I don't know why I just left. I didn't think
about how you would feel. I didn't think about all that.
Speaker 10 (17:59):
And I at the pub that was a frame like
even jet me hang up and I'm glad you did.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
I didn't know if you were alive and if you
were dead. Nothing. I seen your son at during Lake.
He's eight years old. He looks just like you. I
could think about. Was you. That's all I've been thinking
about every.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Day in my life.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
Why did you do it? I don't understand.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
I just don't understand why.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
She is so glad to see you.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
But she was so mad.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
That's what I was. I was you did to me.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I never thought i'd see her again. What did you think, Chris,
when she just walked away like that, just didn't say
anything to you.
Speaker 10 (18:52):
Well, I know she had a messed up life and
she had hired but I just didn't know why.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I thought maybe I did something to her.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
I don't no, I don't know why.
Speaker 9 (19:02):
Did she It wasn't anything she did tell her. It
was nothing you did. It was nothing.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
It was like the more love and friendship that you
were giving me. I was running from that because.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
I taken advantage of it. Yeah, yeah, but I haven't gotten.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
It on my whole life, and I was just scared.
And I think about you every day, me and the kids,
and the kids.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
Are going to love me so much.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Like we had no family, you know, the only ones
we have for each other.
Speaker 9 (19:35):
How could you ask why I was so hurt and
upset because we don't have a really a family and.
Speaker 10 (19:41):
The little family I had left left me like, I
don't know what I.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Thought I was doing something wrong? Yes, the man, Yes,
I just wanted to say, I'm glad to say I
give it up with one another because your sister there
is the most important thing in the world. Even though
it's four years to get with Lord, now you have
found each other again. So yes, so you block out
that door. You came out of that door.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Two.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
Oh tell her that, Yeah, tell her about take it
to Dustiny and Tiffany. Destiny's fourteen months and week. Oh
my god, you just had a baby five weeks ago.
A baby, a whole human being came out to my
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five weeks ago. He was Yeah, she was premature. I
don't care what you like that. Wait, twenty six you
had the baby. She was walking around with the Vandosi. Yes, ma'am,
oh my god, Sydney and Chris, I mean, I'm I'm glad.
I sha'all forget her, forget everything. But where did you
go since you didn't have any other family? Because I
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know it's hard running away from your family, but running
away a lover of the answers, you should stay in
sight here.
Speaker 11 (20:59):
By betimes, where did you go?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
I went back down to North Carolina.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
We have your one year old daughter here, Oh that
to bring her out? Say you can leave me.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
I hope you don't pay the baby. Yes, you say
the baby like with.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
All and go on let me out, don't, sweetie. You're
in television. When you see me the fifteen, you're gonna
be mad. It's all right, sweet But I do like
your name is define because you named it that. Because
this is your destiny. He is your family like yours.
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It's your Chris Hi, your family.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
You just gotta good, Luther take again, never, I hope not.
Speaker 6 (21:56):
Thank you so much for sharing your story with us.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
We'll be right down.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I keep forgetting that is me up here.
Speaker 8 (22:05):
I like it.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I love the jewelry.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
People always have said that real, Like, yeah, they're real
that's why we had two arms, two armed guards outside.
As soon as I got off the stage, they were
unhutted off them.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
And I'm like, why where am I gonna wear this?
And many people are not gonna wanna snack. I wish
somebody would come up that clothes on me and try
to snap them off. I said that, and they were
they yes, they were. And that particular necklace that was
one of my favorite pieces in the Matthew ear rings.
It was just a sing how expensive it was. It's
probably even.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
More so now.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
That was almost a half a million dollars worth of
jewelry just on my fat neck. It was four hundred
and fifty thousand dollars and then the ear rings was
like fifty. I was like, I could, I could pay
off the whole all the people on lift on my
state for what's.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
On main neck.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
But see when you got it like that, you got
it like that. That's why you know. God said you
got to be comfortable in whatever space that you're is
and I said it was comfortable. But oh that was
got for me? Yes, I was okay, so that was
really good. Okay, what's up? I watch it like I
watch it like I told you my husband sell me
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walk a pack her, Mama, why are you crying like that?
You know that you are mother, loved you know that.
And so after that he started calling me mother. I
don't think it. He only called me man.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Don't when he wants something other than that's almost like.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
A whole government name Mama mother. I'm like, oh, Lord,
I know he don't want something. Okay, so now what's
her first?
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Next?
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But God, I want to ask you this question of first,
you have a brother. Could you imagine walking away from
your brother and your father and your family and not
tell him where you were? They don't know if he
did damn to deliver?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
No, don't you know? I'm just asking. But you know,
sometimes family make you, you know, make you not want
to be around there.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
But this lady was there giving her heart, her soul,
her her sister. And you know you're you know my
I'm want better than that and I'll be your sister.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
You can take care of me, just so you don't
have my maintenance. Okay, what's the next door? My favorite?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
We welcome back? Listen mean her next guest my Nina's
Enrica Rodriguez. I abused my wife for many years during
our marriage. I even heard her in front of our children.
I no longer treat her badly today. I want to
apologize for all the things I've done to her. Enrique,
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why did you abuse your wife, i'd Abie, Well, I
grew up in an abusive family, and I thought that,
you know, as I grew up that, you know, my
parents would hit me to tell me to do things.
And when I got married, I thought that if I
did the same thing, my wife would listen to me
and do what I wanted her to do. And I
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f found out that I that's that wasn't the way
to go. I got married, I was eighteen, she was sixteen.
She couldn't cook, she couldn't clean, she didn't know what
I and I try to teach her all that things,
and I kind of.
Speaker 6 (25:21):
Felt that, I don't know how. I said that she
should have been able to.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Do those things for me, and I got mad at
her and I would.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Take it out on her. I would hit her, I
would slap her, I would.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Doell and scream at her, even at sixteen. Yes, when
you're eighteen at the time, why would you think a
sixteen year old or ev did you even think.
Speaker 6 (25:44):
About the fact that she was only sixteen.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Oh well, at the point at the time, I I
didn't I didn't consider that at the time. I believe
I was selfish. I was just thinking of myself. I
I think I was maybe trying to turn it into
a robot or something. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
So now, how many years have you been married?
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Now?
Speaker 11 (26:07):
Twenty one years, will be married twenty.
Speaker 6 (26:09):
Two years in December.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
How many kids do you have?
Speaker 6 (26:12):
I have five kids?
Speaker 5 (26:16):
And your children saw you abuse this woman? If they
did it that, you say, can you say you love her?
And you got five chip any sons?
Speaker 6 (26:29):
Yeah? I have one son.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Then your son saw the pattern of abuse repeated from
your father to Enrique to your son. Yeah, how has
this because I know it has to affect your children. First,
What is your relationship with your wife like? Because you
said you don't abuse her.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
Anymore, Well, I don't abuse her anymore, but now it's
we're not that close. She she thre but she turns
me to leave. She wants to leave me. She wants
to leave me with the kids cause she says I
can handle 'em better cause they don't listen to her.
But I don't want her to leave. I want her
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to stay cause we're a unit.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
And for twenty one years and they're beating her. You're
beating her in front of your children. He ever hit
her in public? Yeah, he hitting her in public?
Speaker 6 (27:27):
You know? What about in front of other family members?
What I hit? I've done that too, you know.
Speaker 5 (27:33):
And now she's sixteen, So now she's been through this
trauma just about all of your married life. Just about
when did the if you stop in ninety one? You
set up a pattern for her? He said?
Speaker 6 (27:48):
Then is she care five of you?
Speaker 5 (27:51):
But she says she is not.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
But I'm not sure.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
I'm not sure. When do things start to change? Well,
one time back, I think it was ninety we had
a real big fight. The police were called. They were
about seven police cars there. And my wife, she has
a wonderful heart.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
She has a real big heart. Cause she could have
put me in jail. She did. She sent me to
the hospital cause she knew what needed help.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
She sent you to a hospital. What kind of hospital
did she sent you to? Towards?
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Wait, wait, wait, way, hey, wait a minute, uh cause
you stop and think about what this man is saying.
We hear many times about men beating and abusing and
terrorizing their families, their wives, their children, and they won't
take responsibility. There are men laying dead because the woman
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was so terrified for her life. His wife didn't do this.
She loved him enough for.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
You to help.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
You to get that.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Now.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
She could have She could have she could have left you,
She could have did a lot of things to you.
She could have had your arrested. So she doesn't have
you arrested.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
She had to go to the hospital.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Yeah, is this your turning point? Oh no, I actually
went to the hospital about maybe seven times. The last
time when I went to the hospital, there's the gunseler
that opened up my eyes and shows me what I
was doing was wrong. Have you ever tried to apologize
to your what what's your name?
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Enrique Juanita?
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Have you ever tried to apologize to Waneda before? Because
I understand abuse it to hit their women in this
old baby, I'm sorry? Didn't you hit her again? Have
did you ever tell her you was sorry?
Speaker 6 (29:55):
Yeah? Pull up a lot of times that I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Well, why is now now on this show? Why is
today any different? And why should she forgive you?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Oh? D oh love?
Speaker 5 (30:09):
I think maybe all the time that that I said
I'm sorry. She didn't feel hasty, and I wanted her
to come and do this on national TV to show
everybody's that I amn't sorry and if anybody's out there
that he is being abused or its.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Abusing somebody, cause he used to get help. Until he's
get help, cause I put my family to help. And
now that my wife's writings that she's gonna leave, I'm leaving.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
I Hell now, I used to weigh one eighty seven,
you know, I weighed like one fordy.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Because of all this things, I can't feel him, but
I can't hear.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
I.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
Sometimes I can't even be a proper dad than my
kids are.
Speaker 5 (31:05):
Your proper dad. Has your son?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Is he?
Speaker 5 (31:08):
How does he?
Speaker 6 (31:09):
When he's thirteen?
Speaker 5 (31:10):
And he started a cycle, yes, a repeating this house, sir.
Speaker 6 (31:17):
He threatened his I got his seventeen year old that's pregnant.
She's gonna get married on October. And any time he
gets mad with her, he says she doesn't care she's
pregnant or out, he'll hit her.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
This is your this is his sister.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
He's talking too.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
And you're saying today to us, to one Needa, that
you are willing to stop this cycle of abuse and
take responsibility for what you've done, for the terror you've
caused your family. I've been doing that for a past
seven years, trying to take responsibility for what I've done.
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We sat down with Enrique early and help them prepare
video tape message for his wife Guanita.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
Let's take a look at that message as we.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
See Juanita watching it for the first time. Juanita, I
feel like I'm the luckiest man in the world that
you're still with me after twenty one years, all the
abuse have put you through and the kids through, and
all the problems that we're having. I take full responsibility
for all I want for years to forgive me and
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to trust me again.
Speaker 6 (32:32):
All I want is a family.
Speaker 11 (32:34):
And the last few weeks you've been threatening.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
To leave and leave me with the kids and just disappear.
Speaker 11 (32:42):
And I don't want you to do that. I want
you to stay with me and the kids and supposed
could be a family, and I know it could be
what you wanted to be and what I wanted to be,
something real special, And if you can just come through
that door, it'll.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Make my whole day, whole day.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Oh, Henry Kae, I no how much you want your
wife one needed to accept your apologies, but those years
of abuse may be too difficult for her to forgive.
And if she feels that way, she will not be here,
you know, and she would have every right she wor
not to. What we're gonna do is take a little
break and.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
We'll find out if one need is on the other
side of that door or not.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
We'll be right back that I would have to say,
I I want to believe him, because I mean, you
just don't come on national TV and just you know,
pour your heart out like that. You know. Yeah, it's
it's almost a self preservation. I need you here with me.
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I need these kids anger here with me, and I
need you to be here because without y'all, we're not
a family. Well you should have thought about that before
you start tapping on up like she was a punching bag,
you know, and always say, oh, you know, I won't
do it again. I won't. I saw that pattern, and
I didn't. We didn't know it was called abusive.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
We thought our parents was abusing us. And if you
get in a woopingized was you getting the was never
into other families, you know, the the marriage part. And
I mean, I told you this stood.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Before one of my mother's friends had got up with this.
I mean, yeah, he was a big shot in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
You know, he'd go to fancy cars, Ruth to woo
to woo. And she was just little.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
She was like a little brown a little brown fairy.
She was just so tin and you know, everything fits
like she fished with, you know, and she was just
the sweetest person.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Well, come to find out, when he got into his
drunken rages, he would want to he want to throw
her her furniture over and break stuff.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
And I'm like, oh no, you don't.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
Check up your own house. That's the reason I don't understand, taggy, Well,
you wouldn't put that on your house. Why would you
do that none, So that's I digress. And he was
beating this woman so bad. I wouldn't do why she
was wearing all that made I'm just a kid.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
And one went cold once tonight it was freezing out side.
She had on a little sexy lingerie. For whatever reason,
it that of set him and he literally threw her
out the great It was a two stories. He dragged
her down the stairs and threw out the back door
and her nightgown, no shoes, but the fact that he
picked his hands up and that was it. And so
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they got their own kind of evans because back then
the police.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
And say, oh, I do that to my wife all
the time. You know, she's my property. She's gonna do
what I tell her to do.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
And he came up with the same time with this
ma cheese mo.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Look, I'm the man. I'm the one supposed to do
all the dictatement and tell you what to do. And
I tell you to jump, you jump?
Speaker 5 (35:31):
How high?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
That's what you're responsible.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
How you jumped from me? How high?
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Should be My response?
Speaker 5 (35:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
And so many women, unfortunately continue to grow up in
those kind of environments. And haven't heard women say I'd
rather have a piece of a man than no man.
And if you got that, you got a piece of
a man. Because what's the thing.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
He's not gonna leave you. You know he got a
gravy training right here. You all got five children and
seventeen year old pregnant. Well, you knew that that wasn't
gonna fall too far from the apple tree. Had somebody, somebody,
somebody didn't explain to you guys, what this means in
it and didn't explain to you. And the fact that
you went to a mental which was great.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
She loved you enough to take you to a house
so that you needed to be in And you know,
so many people of color think therapy is like a
Nancy dirty word. I'm so glad that this dying is
was talking about mental health issues because you know, back then,
you come in the house and you've got long face.
What they're gonna say to you, chepherd, But what they're
gonna say to you walking the house with a long face.
Speaker 6 (36:31):
Right, yeah, like what you better be a man, suck
it up all that stuff, right, you.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Can't show any emotions. Me Emotional men are are weak men.
And I gonna say, I don't think. I don't think
that's how that go.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
I think y'all got out something kind of crazy going on,
you know, because I'm like, I don't I have never
needed since my father passed away, I have never needed
a man to do anything.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
For me or not anything. I would shut up mother,
you know, And I came to the table home. I
wasn't expecting him to met. Oh with you, I'm complete now.
Speaker 5 (37:06):
I'm I'm gonna complete.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
When you when I come to you. I got my
own job, I got my own money. I do what
I want to do with it. You know what, I
don't have to take a lot of stuff. But I honestly, well,
I know the biggest reason why my husband and I
have been together so long is because he is my
dearest friend on the planet. And when you marry your friends,
(37:29):
we are a lot more tolerant of our friends than
we are of our love partners, you know. And I
couldn't even imagine him hitting on any anybody. Well, I
did see him hit this guy one time, and he
wasn't mad at the guy, and I was like, okay,
and I'm coming down the hallway and I'm seeing him
and he just he hit the guy so hard that
(37:51):
the crystal and his watch popped off. And he's my husband.
In a south part when we was in college. I
was like, he could something, he said, I said, don't
you everything? He said, you could do that to me?
He said, I would never think to do that to you.
I got a mother and a sister, and I like, you, chicks,
that ain't gonna happen. One of the sweetest guys, you know.
And if you want to know how a guy is ladies,
(38:13):
let me tell you this. This want to know how
guys really are with women. Check out their relationships with
the other women in their life, with their mother, with
their sisters, with former girlfriends, you know the girls. That's
just your friends, you know, not I'm not a what
they called it?
Speaker 3 (38:28):
What a booty call?
Speaker 6 (38:29):
I thought?
Speaker 2 (38:29):
I was like, oh cool, what's a booty call? They
had explaining that to me, saying, you know, I was
out of it for a long time. But this this
is generational.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
He saw it.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
He's replicating it. And his son is thirteen and told
his seventeen year old pregnant sister, I will hit you anywhere.
I don't care if you're pregnant. You know, that's a
whole buss that's gotta be cut up there. All right,
let me say, if i'm lem, do I need to
hold on to some furniture?
Speaker 5 (38:52):
Okay, I'm ready.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Oh my face grows up again. But out here okay,
I'm mean whereby?
Speaker 5 (38:58):
And then Rinko Rodrien. He gives us him to apologize
to his wife, Vanita for the years he spent abusing
her in her home and being a bad father and
a bad husband and not a really good provider for
his children, and Rick says he no longer mistreat his wife,
but she still feels grateful that she's with him after
everything he put her through.
Speaker 6 (39:20):
And we can't funny he is willing to forgive you.
That's one heck of a woman. That is one heck
of a woman because you put her through hell.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
I said, there your children and yourself, but you've been
willing to stop the cycle of abuse and take responsibility.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
For your action.
Speaker 6 (39:42):
Is or they deserve that?
Speaker 5 (39:43):
Are you ready to find him?
Speaker 6 (39:44):
She's going to forgive you money.
Speaker 5 (39:46):
Go take your place in front.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Of the door.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Why not ready?
Speaker 5 (39:55):
Okay, Enrica Rodrina, let's open the door.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
I called out it. We don't know, we don't know,
we don't know, and I think we can't. We stayed
in touch. It tim my big party cause you know,
Ki get mother there. You have the best pycologist there
and you say, don't mess a TV, don't make me
(40:28):
come over your house.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
He's beautiful and he wanted them for She's waited twenty
one years to give her to You tell me to
tell uh, oh, we come out then, So let him
tell you one day.
Speaker 5 (40:45):
That he owes you this.
Speaker 6 (40:48):
I am so sorry.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
Lord.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
The interviews, I push him the kids through. I love
you so much. I wanna go over the time with
you and kids on finding her.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
I think this er.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
Think they said better than one nice ched of though.
And I'm gonna work my hardy to give them what
kids and need and what they deserve. And I really
really know.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
If you paid me, I reply, do you just wanted
the ChIL w story?
Speaker 2 (41:20):
They had another ride their hope, M.
Speaker 5 (41:29):
What's a school? You don't want me to? What do
you want to do to him? He said when he
got married, I was sixteen, he was eighteen. Tell him
kill him? It n They didn't come with instructures, you know,
matters doesn't come with instructions. Kids don't come with instructions.
(41:50):
All I wanna do is who can try to make
it work and go get sick help and so let
we don't drag it on to the kids, and the
kids don't drag it to their kids.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
For me using him doing this thing?
Speaker 3 (42:02):
And I do love you.
Speaker 5 (42:04):
You thought I wouldn't be him?
Speaker 12 (42:06):
Sure, yeah, that's the kind of ir They're like, okay.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
Yeah, well I made you get a flaw.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
Everybody got me. Wow, you didn't even notice it.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
All right, it's just you and Enrique and me and
a few of our close friends. Give me, give her
a tissue right there in Rique, pick one for yourself,
not a box. And then I don't find no I Needa.
He said, you don't want him to pass and so
along to your kids. No, And he said that you
have a thirteen year old son and he already sees
(42:59):
his the temper developing.
Speaker 13 (43:01):
And that's my son, Enrique Junior. He don't have us
back temper. So what we're trying to break the UH
cycle with him? So are you looking to get Enrique
some counseling as well to try.
Speaker 5 (43:18):
To help him. Yeah, I've mentioned it to her that
you I think we need to come in a hospital
so he can start talking with somebody abi his temper.
He calls it about will if you need it. We
have a counselor backstage, so it's willing to help you
set up some counseling sessions for yourselves, for your son,
(43:39):
for your daughter, because he says that you have a
seventeen year old daughter who's he can see that she's
looking for abusive men as well. She demands. Yeah, she's
very demanding. I Thank you both. I thank you you
taking the opportunity to come and share this with us
in Rique. You do. There are millions of women who
(44:02):
are going through the very thing you've put one of
it through, who might not feel that.
Speaker 6 (44:09):
They can change.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
Would you just tell them that they can they can change.
They It wasn't just I didn't I didn't blame him.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
They had to do what his upbringing.
Speaker 6 (44:20):
At him taking responsibility. Lot of men think that, you know, oh,
I can't hit her telling my wife I could do
whatever I want.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
You know, I'm a man.
Speaker 6 (44:31):
I'm a man. That doesn't make a man. That's just.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
He's walked. As they say today, I can't see it
any better.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
Thank you very much. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I wonder how they turned out, I do.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Do you know their kids would be grown now, dance something,
they might be grandparents. I think that's one of the
you know, back in the day, you know, when we
had so many indentured servants and slaves, and they were
just so supposed to do what you tell them to
do because you're my property. And then they go home
after they've been in the field or in the house
cooking and clean them whatever they're doing. And they come
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home to an abusive person and they didn't.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Know what to do.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
They would just tell work or do what I tell
you to do. And a lot of men, unfortunately in
the twenty first century.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Still feel the same way. Right, I don't get it.
I should never understand a man putting his hand on
a woman under any circumstances. And you still, I don't
care how big a little you are.
Speaker 1 (45:35):
You know, you got better upper body strength than a woman,
you know, Just like that guy threw that lady out
the door, you know, and her nightgown and he just
threw out there like a rag doll, you know.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
And she actually my mother had us go over and
help her out, get her out there. My brothers and
then went out there and picked her up with a
blanket and brought her in our house. And she was
like freezing.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
And other people didn't know what to do because you
know what they say, you don't want to get him
grown folk business.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
We got that, remember that. Now it's it's now it's
if you see something, say something, you gotta say something.
And we no person deserves to be treated like that or.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
To grow up in either even a volatile environment like
in Mari gave what's growing up there? And I premus
just say, I'll bet you if his grandfather was around,
he did the same thing to his father and him.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
And it's generational. And they have said and they believe
they justified, well, she's my wife, she's my girlfriend, she's
my property. I was like, okay, dude, if I was
your property, you could not afford me. Are you kidding? No?
And then he would gonna work like that. When I
first got out there to California, and it was to
me to make all these deals out. And I was
(46:49):
always so spash because I still am so. I watched
the uh the ticker tape on the Dow Jones, you know,
see what's going on? Come on and see what happy?
Speaker 1 (46:57):
And what's the price to go today? Price would go
to pound is going ounce? It says eight dollars and
fifty cents.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I'd go get my scale. I would bring it in
to the bringing it into the to the meeting with
me how much scale like this? And when wait, wait, wait,
hold off for one minute, I say. And I would
always tell them to to well, what do you want?
Speaker 5 (47:15):
What do you want my to do?
Speaker 2 (47:17):
I would said the third thing, I'm gonna do want
is the jewelry? Well, hell is she going to jewel
what's the first and second.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
Thing she want?
Speaker 4 (47:23):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (47:24):
Cause it always better get a handle on her, going
with my good, with my pasty, my my uh uh scale.
When my trusty scaled, it was coming to me and
I I'm put it on the first and wa. This
is the only time I did kill people.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
Saw when I weighed, Okay, I get on the scale.
It said I want a hundred ninety five pounds.
Speaker 2 (47:41):
I said, okay, I want that, and go just give
me a hundred ninety and sixteen ounces and a pound
said at sixteen times a hindred ninety five thousand. Yeah,
that'd ad to.
Speaker 6 (47:50):
Do it for me.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
It was like who is present in her?
Speaker 1 (47:54):
I'm like, God is representing me? And they said we
gotta get her agent cause he's insane. I didn't know
how the game work.
Speaker 2 (47:59):
I'm was like like she said, I didn't get a
husband hand booth, I didn't get a chill in the
hand boot.
Speaker 5 (48:05):
I'm just going with what's suposed to be doing.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
So I just got up scaled and they were like, oh,
you know, and don't let me gain weight. I remember
when I got up to two hundred and twelve pounds.
They was like, she must be stopped. I mean, y'all
don't even know whose child y'all fooling with? Okay, and
you don't fool with God's still you don't. He don't
play and our honors are too short? The box of guy, Okay,
what's my That was a great place.
Speaker 5 (48:29):
And how did you ever see it? Oh?
Speaker 2 (48:32):
I'm telling you it is truly. It was just a
phenomenal play.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
They could bring that back right now and be just
this till me now as we were back then. Because
your look telling about the gun with God. You like
the dining store.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
You got the little body, short guns, and you might
have a big movie or some big people. That's all
you got going for you. Okay, man, it's too short.
I know my fuck? Okay, so what's the next? I'm
just all excited out and pissed at the same time.
Speaker 5 (48:58):
If I could be let's meet her next guest.
Speaker 14 (49:02):
My name is Natasha Brown. My mom wanted me to
postpone my wedding date for one week so she could
be there. I refused to change the date, so my
mom ended up missing my wedding. I regret what I
did I owe my mom a big apology.
Speaker 5 (49:16):
Natasha, why didn't you change your wedding date for your mom? Well,
why wouldn't you change your wedding date for your mother?
Speaker 6 (49:24):
Myran mother love.
Speaker 5 (49:25):
I was stubborn.
Speaker 10 (49:26):
I had the attitude, this is my life, I can
do it, live it how I want to live it,
and I just wanted went on.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
Through with it.
Speaker 5 (49:33):
Even your mother, your one mother. Are you her only daughter?
Now my avenger sister, so you're her oldest daughter. So
you're the first one to get married and you refuse
to even change it.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
By a week.
Speaker 10 (49:50):
Because I had I had my cake, I had my dress,
I had everything together, and I wanted to do it.
Speaker 5 (49:55):
Then okay, so wait a minute. So you made these
wedding plans and you didn't even bother to include your
mother on it.
Speaker 2 (49:59):
I'm in it.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
It's a while to playing a wedding. No, it happened like.
There's me and my boyfriend. We had dated two and
a half months. I know, and yeah, wait, wait, you
wouldn't have been together two and a half months.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
See it's like this.
Speaker 10 (50:12):
Our families are very close. My grandmother named him and everything,
but we really didn't.
Speaker 5 (50:17):
Know each other.
Speaker 10 (50:18):
And I met him one day.
Speaker 5 (50:21):
We dated two and a half months.
Speaker 10 (50:22):
We spent every day together and then on a Friday he.
Speaker 5 (50:26):
Was at you know, we married me? And I said yeah.
He said next week and I said yeah, and we
were gonna emo. But that Monday I was like, I
gotta tell my mom. So actually we only hit four days.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
So what did you do?
Speaker 5 (50:39):
Get married at the justice of the piece of union.
We had a chunch wedding in four days.
Speaker 10 (50:44):
I had my bridesmaid, my maid of honor, my flower girl.
Speaker 5 (50:47):
I had everything. So you could get all these.
Speaker 6 (50:50):
Two be together for in four days.
Speaker 5 (50:52):
But you didn't have enough dumption to have your mother there.
Why couldn't she be there at the time that you
wanted to get married?
Speaker 6 (50:59):
Natasha, and she had church commitments that she breaks.
Speaker 10 (51:02):
I knew she couldn't break it, and but I alice self,
I was stopping mother in life, and.
Speaker 5 (51:09):
I wanted to do it when I wanted to do it.
You couldn't wait seven more days while your mother had
a commitment.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
Now would you put it?
Speaker 5 (51:17):
Just let me play the devil's advocate here. How would
you would have felt if you planned this whole wedding
months in advance? Your mother knew about it, and she said, oh, well,
I can't be at your wedding cause I have something
else to do. I would have been hurt, I know,
I would have been hurt. And she was hurt. She
was very hurt by it, hurt. I devastated.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, so what did she say to you?
Speaker 5 (51:41):
What did you go and say to her? After you
have this wedding that she that you knew she couldn't attend.
You were really too selfish to said, well, will pumps
on it for a week? Not even a day? Was
her church functioned for a whole week, for the weekend,
for the weekend, and you got married on the weekend
and you just simply couldn't do this. What did you
(52:02):
say to her? Well, she c when you come back
and your ms is married and your mother says to you,
when Natasha, how was your wedding or did you come
in here to take bre What did you what did
you do?
Speaker 10 (52:15):
What did you say to her? We really didn't talk
about it. She, you know, gave us a wa a card,
you know, to take congratulations on your wedding, and we
had videotaped it, and you know, and I showed it
to her. You know, she cried because she was sorry
that she couldn't have been there. But you know, back then,
I was, I was just that selfish.
Speaker 5 (52:34):
So no, why now?
Speaker 6 (52:35):
I mean, how long have you been married?
Speaker 5 (52:37):
Two years? So why now it's been two years? Why
why are you apologizing now to her? Now? Cause I
have a son and I want her and my son
to get a bond.
Speaker 10 (52:46):
Plus, I want us to get back closer cause we were,
we were close, and I want us to get back
how close we were.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
And because of this, and you've distanced yourself from her. Yeah,
I had I the way I was back saying my love,
I was I was terrible. I was just I had
a attitude problem. Oh well, I'm glad you've had. You
gone to AA attitude adjustment class. We sat down with
Natasha and helped.
Speaker 6 (53:13):
Her prepare a video tape message for her mom.
Speaker 5 (53:15):
Rita. We have read a lot backstage with us today.
Let's get a set up to join us now, Rita, welcome,
gosh Hi. I'm gonna play you a message from your daughter, Natasha,
and then I'm going to ask you to make a
decision about whether you wanna come through the Door's all,
take a look at Natasa's Natasha this message.
Speaker 14 (53:34):
Now, I want you to know that I'm really sorry
for how my wedding day was pun.
Speaker 5 (53:40):
I know you really didn't approve of my quick marriage,
but I was too selfish and self absorsed.
Speaker 10 (53:46):
Listen to your feelings and take them into consideration, and
I really regret that.
Speaker 5 (53:51):
I want you to know that if I could do
it all over again, I.
Speaker 10 (53:54):
Would have waited that extra week that you wanted me
to wait so that you could have been there to
give me away.
Speaker 5 (54:00):
I want you to know that it hurts me very bad.
Speaker 10 (54:02):
You know how selfish and how I was acting, and
I'm here to tell you that.
Speaker 5 (54:08):
I'm sorry and I want to see something much closer.
Especially since there's a grandson in the picture.
Speaker 10 (54:13):
Now, please accept my apology cause I'm truly sorry.
Speaker 5 (54:18):
Really don't say anything yet.
Speaker 3 (54:19):
I'm gonna ask you to think about what you just heard.
Speaker 5 (54:21):
Well, could take a break, and when we come back,
we'll find out if you're ready to come through the
door and accept Natasha's apology. We'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
See how's moved I was, and move up from the
st from the studio and move back down the suit
in his chairs. I looked really good.
Speaker 10 (54:36):
At this.
Speaker 2 (54:38):
We really were good at this. We had a great team.
And it's really cool because I still get a.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
Chance to talk to several of them now, you know,
and watching their watching their stars rides and.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
You know, doing what they do. One of my prout,
one of my uh what's he my executive director? He
was a director and he went on to be a
big shot over at ESP Yes he did. When my
can't hay, we have no okay, okay, well, at least
(55:09):
come blast. She recognized that what she did was not
right and how she crushed her mother. I mean, I
got a son, and I couldn't even imagine not being
too at it with well, mostly because I controlled ninety
percent of it. So that's just what's gonna happen. I mean,
like I told him, anybody talking about marriage, I'm gonna
be right there with you. It ain't it's not us.
Speaker 1 (55:30):
Its gonna be y'all waddy because it's always the bride's day.
The bride's day.
Speaker 2 (55:34):
They not get that, okay, but the husband get married to.
Dude got friends, he wanted people I'm like and see,
we had known each other for years. That's why we
had such a big wedding. Everybody said it was a
big wedding. It full account of was. We had thirty
six people in the bride party, thirteen for every year,
one person for every year we had been together. So
we had thirteen bridesmaids, the girls, and we had a
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junior bridesmaid. We had a flow of the flower person
and I mean it was a full of pack, full
of pack. We had to get to the guys. The
little boy to carry the ring the ring bear. We
had to stop him in the middle of him walking
down the aisle because she's say, you want this case
with the jewelry felt like and West been walking out
our and he trying to pull the drink off the
(56:16):
string and I'm like, somebody getting him and this is
in the middle of a way. It was like a
comedy of eras.
Speaker 5 (56:22):
It was hilarious.
Speaker 2 (56:23):
And you know, y'all knew really good we had and
that's pretty good enough. How became a wedding coordinator?
Speaker 3 (56:29):
You know?
Speaker 1 (56:29):
And they get me as much booze as you want
to drink in my drinking baby, Okay, let's find out
what Nata Jathlea.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
She woke up and found out and realized what she
done and how she had really hurt her mother because
I couldn't even imagine not being there at my thous wedding.
He's beautiful. Both of them are dorking.
Speaker 5 (56:51):
Welcome back. We've been talking with that Tashaw. Listen. It's
all her parts and her mom ended up missing her wedding.
She said she was only thinking of herself when she
refused to postpone the day to accommodate her. So, Natasha,
if your mom is willing to accept your apology for
not including.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
Her in the most important day of your life.
Speaker 5 (57:13):
One of the most important days, she's gonna be standing
on the other side of that door.
Speaker 6 (57:19):
But you have to understand she might be so heart still.
Speaker 5 (57:23):
He it's been two years, but she's not in your
wedding pictures or anything because of your selfishness.
Speaker 6 (57:29):
And are you ready to find her that she's here?
Speaker 5 (57:32):
Yeah, couldn't make a move.
Speaker 2 (57:33):
You stuck event right there as you got on a
loved office.
Speaker 5 (57:41):
Okay, Natasha, let's open the door.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
Say nah, that's fair, that's real Fad. Then I'd go
up the tod that had been me. I would head off.
You hate Wad, but you not married me. They came mad.
I wasn't married.
Speaker 5 (58:04):
Well, I know then when we got married, I hurt,
but I'm whenly sorry, and.
Speaker 10 (58:11):
When we could do it over again, you would have
been there to give me away and been there to.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
Stand by my side.
Speaker 5 (58:16):
And then when we're sorry and times I accept your apolotier,
but it it hurts for one thing. You know, I
I raised you better than there.
Speaker 3 (58:31):
And.
Speaker 10 (58:33):
It's a mother's joy to see her doing get married
and help her path.
Speaker 15 (58:36):
Or wedding, and you know it, it was really hurtful
when you just didn't wanna wait, you know, and I
feel you know, you were too young and didn't have
a chance to talk. Your husband didn't even ask permission
people married, and that's maybe seem a little old fashioned.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
But you know.
Speaker 5 (58:56):
That you should have asked and we should have planned
and wedding for you. And you're you know, Natasha, you
told me something and I want you to share that
with the audience about your true relationship with this woman
and how you.
Speaker 6 (59:10):
Hurt her doubly bad.
Speaker 10 (59:15):
Well, she's not my natural mother, she's my aunt, but
she's raised me from day one, so she's my She's
not only my mother, but she's my mommy.
Speaker 6 (59:27):
And looks that away from her.
Speaker 2 (59:29):
Oh, couldn't let me ask.
Speaker 5 (59:32):
You this out of curiosity, like maybe on your fifth
ediverse you ever thought about having another wedding so she
could be there to do this for you. We alright,
we've already.
Speaker 10 (59:41):
Started talking about it, cause we'll be back my husband,
he's in a military, and we'll be back in Virginia
by then and
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