November 16, 2024 • 61 mins
Shaq C and Mother Love share their love for this Forgive or Forget that is so viable today. They share the passion, the heartbreak, and the power of forgiveness and the strength to say I will forget the pain of this relationship and for of these guests. Shaq C a loyal, devoted fan of Mother Love, the original host of the syndicated daytime talk show, Forgive or Forget. This young man has dedicated his time, energy and effort in finding episodes of the show to share with you. Mother Love is filled with tears and joy that he watched the show with his elders when was eight yrs old. As an adult, he made it his business to reach out to her and ask her what happened to the show, why was she not there everyday loving on her "Babies!" Why there was never a logical reason for her to have been replaced. Really what had happened was... tune in to listen to her story.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Three and go hey, hey, hey bab it's going on.
You know, hey, Shaq, how you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're looking on all night, be giving me the dreamy eyes.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I know you got a date. He pouta go okay,
we got to slip out of you a very handy.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I gotta I gotta date with you for the next
sound okay, that's.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
All I get. That's all I need. So that that's
trust me and half of that I'm gonna be fleeping.
I'm just letting you know. This is this is what happened. Oh,
just the idea. We get plumb tuckered out. I'm like, yeah,
you're on. No, I'm not gonna take too much word,
you know. And I didn't really understand about the longevity
and the marriage because I never thought I would be
never thought I would be married, and certainly not be
(00:45):
married to the same man for lack of duration. And
you know, I was. I was kind of scared of God.
When we had a church wedding. The preacher cuts us
went off on us in the church at our wedding.
On our wedding day.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh, he went in.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I said, you know, I'm gonna have to write a
book of martinis. But I'm gonna have a chapter. Yes see,
you passed. We almost got into a fifth flight at
the wind and I was about ready to cut it.
They thought i'd have a water knife up fund the
front of the train and Madrid didn't even remember my name.
Somebody I wouldn't walk down the I without my white
wunner because it was as we did a beautiful job
on the grunner, and so it was like maybe twenty
(01:23):
thirty minutes late where they had to leave or go
back and come back and get it and roll it out.
So he said, I don't know what, what the heck
we sit up.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
There waiting on you to get a walk a white wunner,
only to get white wanner.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
You ain't getting.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
You got some bigger than me, and they're talking about
you want to get money with a white one. I
mean just went clean off clean. And then I made
the ship and I don't even remember what the ship was,
but I made the ship and everybody in the church
did it. That said. He was like, Oh, I'm like,
don't y'all say enough? I turned it round when they
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got to the park. Anybody objected this. I wish one
of y'all would safe, something I'm wish wanted y'all. Come on,
come on, keet, this wasn't he not yet. I am
just amazed at the longevity of our marriage. And I,
like I tell my husband all the time, if you
weren't finningother with not be bothered with you. Look, you
can get a fat bald head blind one eye I
(02:16):
can't see out the other, put double in a spank
for the wig, hat on a bake of face up
and look good. And you girl, you get an old
guy that can't talk, and you know, look at all crazy.
You put him in a tuxedo. What do you have?
You got jumped in a TUXI or that said you
got ugly in the tux I'm just saying I don't
know why I just went off on next handed. Well,
welcome to the program everyone.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I am your illustrious, wonderful delightful that the mother does.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And this is miss the wonderful himself, mister wonderful. I
have to say too, because I got my husband, my
fron grandfather and the more buddy. But you you look,
you gotta send me a photograph you can. I won't
pitch up on my fellow table. Oh I'm I'm there, okay,
said look at photograph in color. And I only put
my favorite fellas up there, I really do. And everybody, well,
(03:04):
how do I make the fellow table? I say, I
don't even like you that you ain't gonna be just
like you are straight to it, buddy, huh. And so
now it's like an honor. So I'm really didn't work
for you, guys. Man, I would probably be still trapped
at the Looney Being up in Canada. See you ain't
know that, uh huh. I did a movie in Canada
(03:27):
and we did it in the Looney Being, and my
director said, oh, this is right, this is right up
your alley here and the mother love. There's crazy people
working with other crazy. We had a ball even though
I was band from Catheen, and they ruled my name
all the way through the end of Distant. So nobody
came up to let the captain and don't let it
eat good? Is it expresso? The little one in the
little coming a little shot up? You know what I'm saying, right,
(03:52):
what is it? Expressed? It coming? You know, I didn't
know what it was, and I'm all for you know
what I mean? New things. So we're on the movie said,
and you know it's going to the week hours of
the morning and they're trying to block their shots and
what have you. And the director goes, we don't take
just a tick of the conversation, sir, I want you
(04:13):
to go and get me a double Express up And
I said, oh, I'm those two. I just like the
words times double Express Tho it sounds like time in
this literally cub never had before. I told you. Five
minutes later, I couldn't stop myself, but they kept saying,
please tell me, y'all rolling and turn around her because
(04:35):
this is crazy. I almost lost the guy in the
chair picker because I just couldn't stop. And it was
he And the next day on the STA all the
hair dresser and the wardrobe and so give mother love
is not allowed caffeine on their shoes.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I was like, y'all got a line of hers.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
They wouldn't let me have the caffeine. You haven't seen me.
You think I'm crazy? Now see me on pathee. And
if I'm gonna take coffee, why wouldn't I don't understand
you depilate the coffee. That's like me and Bill, why
do you wanna take the here you can't get a bud.
That's kinds stupid. Okay, it's just one of those days,
so shocking. I we reminisced about forgive or forget. See
(05:12):
I got I'm gonna forgive me forget. You know, I'm
gonna give me some more T shirts made. They probably
just say the Mother Love Show. But right now, this
what we're doing right now because it is the Mother
Love Show and nobody ever called it forgive or forget.
He's the producer says, okay, this Mother Love Show. What
does this sound out there? Say forgive or forgive them?
Me blending this on me, It's just fall down, you know,
far down the street. I'm just saying so and we
(05:34):
womin this about forgive her for again. The stories that
we have, the people that we've met, and this day,
that's a good thing. He's hands them because he is
crazy now. And the more I talked to him with crazy,
He's seven years out of his life. Just to make
sure that I stayed relevantly on and say what, I'm
gonna forgive her forget and no will Oh. I am
(05:56):
forever grateful to you, Thank you so much. So now
and I don't make him I don't think them. I
just observed and report he did. And you know you
know by now he got a pretty sick and twisted thing.
And just for you know, am I going to need
these today? Probably all right here? Who don't tap now?
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Of course they're gonna need those.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Sure you're gonna need those.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And you don't seen him if he ain't some thing
that's water here. That's what I told you. What First
of all, you knew who I was when you called
me to come do this here, so you know I'm
feelings on my sleeve. That's why people say you be mean.
Now I'm not being mean. You're gonna come in here
and ask me do I like you? If I tell
you I don't like it because I don't like you.
(06:52):
I have to work with you, but I don't. I
ain't gotta like you. And I didn't like him. He
didn't like me either. You can see well now because
we brought up with I could be I can't do it.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I can't do it, you know, so we do what
we do. So who have you?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Who have you selected for this weekend? S my rage
up talk?
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Well?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Well, this this is this is gonna be really used.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
The first one the first guest is Louise Carbeta.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
He's coming on the show to a Pausize who is
at Rosie for Lyne cheating and hitting her.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So it's a good thing we got to scream because
you know that sounded like one of them guys. I
would have took my shoe off and just wanted up
apart here to take my west off shoes. Okay, here
we go.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Well for guy and now the just or to get mother.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
All that day.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
That day, our guest to his dad just say they're sorry.
We every novel situation with the one they done something
wrong to in the past. They won't know until they.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Give it a try.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Our first guest there during his three year relationship with
his ex girlfriend. He was jumping but one day or
why do you do another one? He says he cheated
on us so many times. At the last day of
the relationship was just one bed alive, so he ended it.
But now he thinks she's the one that got away.
He sell it to apologize and tell him that he's
(08:37):
a man now and not that stupid kid who broke
her heart. Please say hello to Lewis copying us.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
They were being nice.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Hi, Louis are you doing more.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Before I'm doing all right, yeah, before we get jobs.
There stupid stuff you said you did tell us about
how you and you know first just love that got
away for me. Well, they tell us about Jerry.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Let some kids come. You want me to how I
first started.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
How it was.
Speaker 9 (09:12):
Yeah, I met up in high school. When I was
in high school. You know, that was the first time
I was so hundred you know, I gotta have her.
I gotta you know, I wanted that hide, you know,
you know, so I went after.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Her, taught her. Didn't know I got her.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
The first couple of.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Years, you know, everything was fun, see.
Speaker 9 (09:27):
But then I graduated high school and that you know,
I did my first year of college.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
I you know, got me a DC job for the
teacher do some money. I start, you know, I started
going into the club seeing you know, the drinking and
how can I put this, you know, myself. I started expanding.
Speaker 10 (09:42):
I started meeting other people, and that's when I started
jumping from bed to bed. You know, I was lying
to her, seating on her, you know, so much alcohol
in my cause I was working like every day, you know,
it was in just you know, in the week, cause
it was like every day.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
I was out, I was at my job or school.
I was drunk. I was coming. I think you're bothering,
and I'll put my hands on.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I know what's wrong.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
I know what was wrong. You know y'all want to
move me? Go ahead, come on, let me here. That
was not long enough.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Come on, see but that that's that's what I'm tanna say.
Speaker 11 (10:14):
I'm apologizing because you know, I see all the.
Speaker 9 (10:17):
Time on wils he's trying to make me a better man.
And you know that's that's my whole point. I was
a boy back then. See I'm a man now, and
I'm trying to apologize cracking of a little boy.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Okay, now now that he gloss over your little stoke.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
And you you know done all that.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
You know, y'all ex gave you the boob. I think
you had to.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
You're a little too early. Tell her what you really
did when you started seeing ying to tell us how.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Bad it really got.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Come on, a little dude, it's upbody god, I got
some good pregnant way way that war how tight when
they pregnant little les? Come on, he's fooling around on roads,
he lying toward, he's going with her friends. He got
two women pragged the same time. Yeah, I was a
(11:04):
digging back then. Well you know, yes, I still love
with me hi ah Right, I was wondering how long
ago you guys broke up, and what was it that
brought either this revelation.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
That you want to be with her and she broke
up in ninety four? You know it was lappened to me?
Was this year during basketball season I busted up home,
tunder and linging into my heel. But I I was
held for a long time. I was just knocked up,
and I just did a lot of.
Speaker 11 (11:29):
Thinking, a lot of thought, such, you were knocked up
a business, not love?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
How many years you was with her?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
About three years?
Speaker 5 (11:38):
And more than three years? What are they loving her?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
See that?
Speaker 5 (11:41):
That's why I'm realizing that it was you know she
did she She wasn't one.
Speaker 9 (11:45):
You know, she tried to maybe me making a better
person now and I just come people out of status now.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
He just wasn't having been.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
There at a person.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
So why did you want wait live on just internact
with your baby? Okay? So why do you want to
apologize to her now? Cause I I was never meant
about it.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I never did it back then.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
So I wanna do it nothing to give him some credit. Man,
But why did you do it?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Why?
Speaker 5 (12:06):
High school underhead man? Like I said, Like I said,
I was y'all, I was a little boy.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You know.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
I was just wanning walk more polities to see it.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Okay, that's what I went on out when we met
up with little to help him put in a pology
on thee you'll take before it hit that girlfriend rose here, Well,
I take a look at that mask that actual we
see her watching it by the first time, kill Rosie.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Ecuse me?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
And I met you wanted me what I'm doing here?
I know, which told him brander me.
Speaker 9 (12:33):
But today I'm a man and I made apologize for
the access of a little boy. I need apologize for
all the times that I cheated.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
On you, for the times that I hit you, for
the times that I lie. Cause if you said I
am a better.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
Man from me apologizing, try to make commands for all
the wrongdoings that I did to you.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
So please, I went just fun to deep in your
heart and forgive me. Oh well, Country.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Louis, I said, watching your lesson, you know it was
up too well that to decide if she wanted to
be here.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Today to to give you.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
And what we're gonna do is take a little break
and then working and find out if she's on the
other side of that door.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Ready to forgive you.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Do his voice? Oh no, no, cause I couldn't get
my little off. He next soon enough before them and
break it out.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
And I was I'm still a really good host cause
I'm like, okay, now you wanna shoot process.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And and I know a lot of people probably be
when they saw the stuff. Oh he's not taking this serious. Uh.
And I can see the nervousness and his and his
voising in his body language.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And a lot of times when people are nervous, you
start smiling a lot, or they'll do.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Their you know what.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
And I'm like, no, so I I see the nervousness
in him, you know, I say, yes, I would that
would have been one with the how with the house
flipp of coming off enough side in the back of
your sea defe was it? See they have a really
good lawyer, not.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
That really good lawyer.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So but knock me up. I got bail money in
my shoe. Sometimes you got the you know, you know,
violence is never the answer. It's never being Yeah, and
I'm being sydcastic. It's never the answer. And there's and
the fact that he said, I want to apologize for
a boy's uh the behavior because because I'm a man
now and I can see it different, you know, And
(14:29):
I'm always a little suspect when people say it's like
what he said, well, she makes me a better man now,
she can't make you no better man. You have to
make your old one say that, because maybe I did
say that. Okay, it's gonna hit him, but well, I
just say a word word to me.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
And then a lot of times when you show people
come on and something happens to I mean, I get it.
You have something has to happen to you.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
So that you have to wake up call that.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You know, it says, Okay, I gotta tell you something.
I don't know if he doesn't seem secure.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Me, if you know from an audience to boot.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Come on, boom me boomy, Like I don't know, I
think he was mean.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I'm going to err on the side of Parson that
he was nervous and you're gonna be angel Yeah, right,
told the way I keep their money because see I
might have that. I'm just really surprised because I keep
that I'm an open book. Matter of fact, I'm volumes
of open books. I want to know that's why they
(15:30):
came blackmail us, because we didn't tell the story better
than anybody, so so then you don't believe me. I'm
wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Time with my audience booing him, because he says he
regrets the terrible way he see his ex girlfriend Rosie.
Now before them break, he apologized to Rosie, and I'm
just waiting to find out if he could to ski
him a little sipo. I couldn't go over to the door,
I said, talking one more questions, and I'd like to
ask you said at the beginning of your story that
(16:05):
you just abruptly broke this off because the last day
was your relationship with one big lie.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Why did you still will have enough gumption to go
to her and say.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
To her, look, well they this here, this is over you.
Speaker 10 (16:17):
Just as as these young people like to say you
just about model model, God could just put it on
like just real quick.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
I was being a car with just just like that.
I was just young and being a car with I
couldn't even be meant enough to step up to the
woe that I did. I'll just disappeared to look.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
But how long has it anything?
Speaker 5 (16:38):
You seem been like three years? You wng So you
ain't getting there to around with you for a while.
Oh yeah, think about it every day. But you know
this is a good thing. But it's just a good
thing for your son, because, like you said, you did
something a little boy would do. And now you're taking
a step and the I tell my son this all
the time. Son, you're standing at the thresholder manhood. All
right with Louis. She's gonna stend over at that door
and you open that door, wall opens up for you.
(17:00):
M door a madhood. Lewis wants to North Roos here
to accept his apologies for the terrible thing to see done.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Line in the cheating.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
But let's open the door and find out if she's here.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Open the door. Ooh ooh, ooh, you mad Oh look
at him.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
You don't look at me.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Look out now I'm looking.
Speaker 9 (17:33):
I'm just wanna say, I'm stally, I'm a polgizic if
I was a little boy.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I'm a man out and I'm saying I'm stally. You
should have never been cheated like that you should be
cheated like the queen that you are.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
You know.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
You could get off my test.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
When I get on back over there, said the sofa center.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I'll talk to him.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I'm a good girl. He'll believe it meither not.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
You got that part of your sistant. Tell her what
you want to say to her.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
What I'm sorry, y'all polyzh you know you want to
hit me, hit me, kick me out.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
I will not bottom hop or from y'all you need
it too, lady, I will not the way you all? Well,
what did you have to What would you like to
say to him? He coiven. He has been for a
long time now, and don doctor tells him been and
(18:40):
you know that. Thank if everything was setting done back
then I have to give you.
Speaker 12 (18:46):
I've moved on.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
What he did to me is in the past. Actually,
I learned from all this, the things he did tell me,
he he you lit them? Do you violate at me
in every way? Safe them?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
For him? And I grew up.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I had healthy.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Relationships from there on.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I've been with two other people since, say and I would.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Never let them see me the way you seated me.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, now you're looking at our Pitif.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I can't ever go back to you.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Yeah, I said to me, the reason I came.
Speaker 11 (19:34):
Into the show was to forget, you know, after forgiveness,
I never.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Said, uh, you know I don't want her to be
with me.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I was born.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I was lost for what I said. I just wait, no, no,
let him say but he hasn't. Let him say yeah,
let him say.
Speaker 11 (19:45):
It's never probably got to her faith.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
We we we didn't any contact, but we no no,
all party was.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Ever set on me and left on part of right
right now.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Okay, we have a question.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Yeah, I'd like to you know, what type of food
are going on you today?
Speaker 11 (19:59):
What?
Speaker 13 (20:01):
Wait a minute, wait a minute, all of us on
the problems we met a saying back here, which becomes
not a father.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
He doesn't consider himself a father every time I ask him,
hous your little girl? White little girl? Like I said,
I just say that, you mean my other kid.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Listen to listen, listen as.
Speaker 9 (20:30):
We listen, funny, I'm going I'm trying to go to
course uple get part because they're my daughter.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Okay, send up.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Yeah, yeah, I hear you, I hear you.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Apologize to head and that's all well and good, but
it sounds like there's two other people you have to
apologize to one day, the mother, your child.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Have you apologized to those two women?
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Know it's not happening. I'm I'm just my thoughts all
because I don't think you'll find them behind that door.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I know.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
We got to have a part. We love them. We
have to believe that we can fix all of these
bad things. That's the whole purpose of this show. Let's
won't take a good sens.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
You a big trouble.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
What's the question presented which you say.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You're a predator?
Speaker 11 (21:16):
Change the supply in the army, you go after what's
known as pockets of opportunity.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
You'll never change.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Well, you know what, you know he might have a
point there.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I hope he doesn't have a point.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
I don't ever hope that you can change. I hope
that you have taken the step and you stood at
at our door, at our threshold, and that he did
make a change. I am proud of you, Rothie. Sometimes
that which does not kill us will make a song.
And there since a woman in your presence.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
That's the one who shows that the way snacked my
hair off and the hair does that?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
What don't wig had that own woman?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
See, I hope that he meant that, and I think
he was. I think he really meant it. He really
wanted to do that, and I'm just glad, like I
agree with that guy apologized. Oh and dude, that there
you you're you're predator. I mean, just cut to the chase.
(22:26):
You are a predator now. And I think that shook
him up. You know, listening and when it's coming from
other men, other you, it probably has us. Hope that
it had a lot of foundation, that he would see
that he can't be better and he can't do better. Yeah,
I would like to know his kids, like proy have grown.
Man now they come on this show and tell us
(22:47):
how daddy was. What's t that daddy do? Did he cutting?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I'm as a father he is, I have.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
To brother his littlejourney the Warler girl. See, I needed
three pairs of shoes to throw at him. Okay, I'm there.
She was more done here and I gotta compu so
Yo won't let everybody know for the world him, that's
Whaby cut off his his action off right there for
a while. At least, maybe he moved to Borne y'all
(23:16):
who knows. Okay, what are you proud of her?
Speaker 11 (23:19):
Though?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I'm very proud of her, I really am. And that
make like you said, that makes her strong the.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Fact that she came out the door, and that makes
her stronger.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Look, and she continues to learn and she continues to
grow because she knows firsthand what not to accept from
a guy period.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And I've always thought, especially when you're thinking, you know,
you're going into a long term relationship with him, and
and it shifts and changes as the years go by.
And I get that. That's why in the in the
wedding valsers they gave marriage is an institution not to
be lightly. You're talking about dedicating your life to another
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person and them dedicating their lives to you. And that's
why I'm like, and we're still married. See, I know
my father's gonna get into heaven. He is say people gonna,
dude'll come in. Just you come right on there, and
you're gonna job well done. Me I can be right
behind it. And I'm getting to go right to the
gate with him. He miss it. Sit down. That's why
they got a mercy seat at the gate at the
(24:25):
Pearly Gate. No, you got some explaining their new chick.
I was like, you know, that's why I'm I've been
trying to clean up my life. I used to be
doing a half heathen. Sometimes about half a heathen, you know.
So sometimes you have to open up a can on
somebody and you know they gotta you could they gotta
understand you mean to business. And that's why this is
tonguess mightier than a sword. Okay, well that was really good.
(24:49):
I'm so proud of her, all my good I had
to just give her so or her mother love her
all these many years later and I know she she
probably turns out really really well. See, they want to
be grown up. I don't want to be a grown up.
Grown up sucks the mother them suck well, but they
still suck. Yeah, Like you're serious, I'm gonna cut dumps.
(25:11):
I'm a kid of dump. I don't like be I'm responsible.
See the gotta be responsible. We gotta pay house, no taxes.
And then when I found out who Uncle Sam was
and he wouldn't getting me none of my money back,
you know, I was like, I've done. I'll say so
now who's who's up next? Actually very chatty today yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Now, everyone can't say every birthday, pandem oh, happy birthday.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
We could eat hey, right, see they all like you.
I'm glad they like you. Be tuning in you mean,
oh no, this is this is I love you for
all of them, you know. Okay, So who who's next? Untapped?
Speaker 6 (25:57):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Oh I meant to get there. Well you her husband
self communicating, she found someone else to talk to and
then found herself involved in a lot more than just talking.
He said. Her husband knows she cheated, but she needs
toccess up to him, that her relationship with the other
man was a lot more.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Serious than he had thought.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Please welcome Karen Brown.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
What okay, I'm giving the cat Murphy.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Hi parent.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
So now, before we get into your involvement and disappeared,
tell us about your marriage with Gordon. My marriage to
Gordon was wonderful. That was absolutely wonderful. We got married
two years ago that past March, and we decided to
move to Connecticut March of Glastar and I really didn't
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wanna move to Connecticut because my family and everything was
in New York. And once we moved to the communication stopped,
you know, because I had and harboring a resentment about
being here and not wanting to be here, and it
just it stopped. And we had a baby. He turned
a year old this month, and all these staty communication stuff,
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they were all right, only certain communications, the important communication
stop and I was telling him that we needed to
see a marriage counselor we needed to talk to each other,
and it just it wasn't happening. Something always came out,
either on his part or on my part. So I thought,
council elsewhere. And I met a man. And this man
(27:35):
and I went out to coffee one night and we
were just gonna go and talk, and it ended up
being a little bit more than that. We run in
a motel room, and we had agreed that it was
I know, it's horrible. We had agreed that it was
gonna be a one time stot and just strictly specks
and no emotion, no feeling, no nothing, And it ended
(27:56):
up lasting.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
For five weeks.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
My husband walked in and saw this man sitting at
my pittom table after we had just got done doing
our business, and you brought him into your home. Yeah, man,
I know.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I'm married, and I believe it a sanctity of my marriage.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Well it's and I know it's hard, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And my thing is just because you fool it only
came into the.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Menu, but you I supposed to type of stuff on
the menu. That was my belief as well, that I
sprayed from them.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
How did you ended with see this other person after
five weeks?
Speaker 11 (28:34):
Me?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Is it over?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It's over?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
That it ended this past weekend. And I just told
him and I know, I just I just told him
that my marriage is more important to me than anything
else and actualized still wrong. I realized how horribly and
terribly I heard my husband. It was horrible. You're still
married to him. I'm still married to my husband. You've
just been curious. We go we just we'll go down Tomorth.
(28:59):
We wanted with your god, what about the fact where
was the baby?
Speaker 13 (29:03):
When you have this other man in your you're supposed
to be your husband Toms as well?
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Where was he in the house? Do you mean this
is the fact that you have a child with your husband?
Speaker 12 (29:14):
You why are you bringing another man?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
It's your home to give Bisland. I was irresponsible and
very selfish. You know, there's no excuse for it.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
It was rama.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
I know that what Karen how did you find out
about this affair?
Speaker 12 (29:26):
Did you?
Speaker 5 (29:26):
I told him, thanksfy to a lord and I, as
I said, has done kind of rocky. And he asked
me about four days into the affairs there was anything
going on because I wasn't acting right and it just
came out and he said, I mean, what do you
do when you take your husband ill? I had another man?
(29:47):
What do you say?
Speaker 6 (29:47):
So long?
Speaker 5 (29:48):
He forgave me. You know what did he say? I
and know what did he say?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
What did he say?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I told him?
Speaker 5 (29:54):
I told him that there was another man and that
I didn't have feelings for this person and that I
wasn't I begged him, I begged and pleaded with him
to throw me out of the house, to divorce me,
to just end it all. And Borden's statement to me was,
I'm not going to do that because it's too easy
for you, oh awesome to say what it please?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Why did it take you five.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Weeks to notice everything? And then you've seen your kid
every day, you're seeing your husband every day. Why to
take you five weeks?
Speaker 5 (30:22):
I wasn't seeing my husband every day. I had asked
him to move out the day that I told him
everything that was going on. So it wasn't that in
my face.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You know, put your.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Questend it with him.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
How can you kick him out when you're the one
that's going wrong?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Probably the reason why he left this because there are
children in the house. Had it done and the opposite
and there were no kids involved, I would have left. Okay, Now,
what do you want to tell him to do? Because
there are some things that he doesn't know. Yeah, and
so tell us about the thing that.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
He doesn't know, the thing that he the there's two things.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
That Gordon doesn't know about us. Gordon had asked me
if I was going to continue to see this man,
not to have sex with him and our bad and
I did that. God, Judy does not know that the
feelings I have for the other person are stronger than
just friendships. And he needs to know I I cannot
(31:27):
honestly work on my marriage with and if that's what
he's willing to do. If he's willing to work on
the marriage with me, I'll understand. If he's not, I'll
understand that feel You know, you're really just trying to
get this completely out of the office and get this
off of your chest.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yes, and your neck and off your button.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Off your brain and a half of every everything. We
met up with Ken in her home to help up
a pair that's age on videotape for her husband, Gordon.
Gordon has agreed to be here today to.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Watch Karen's massic.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
So Gordon has not seen or heard any of the
day's show and he's joining us live Backstay me, hi, Gordon,
thanks for joining at again.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Gain.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
How are oh, I'm very well? Say how will you?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (32:07):
Well?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Are you ready?
Speaker 5 (32:08):
It was hearing message? Yeah, okay, Well, let's all watch
you begin. Gordon. I've been any very honest with you
about what's been going on for the last month, with
the exception of two things. You ask me not to
have sex in our bed with another person, and that happened.
And you also need to know that the feelings that
I have for this person are stronger than I let
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you to believe. What I'm asking you for is your
forgiveness so we can work on this and make our
marriage work. I'm willing to throw all that away and
stick all of that on the background and just get
rid of it so I can focus on our marriage
and make this work. I want you to know that
I'm truly sorry for the pain that I've put you through.
I know it's been tremendous and that was not at
(32:50):
all my intentions. I love you very much, I love
you with all my heart, and I'm willing to do
whatever it takes to make our marriage work. I hope
you to feel the same way. You couldn't know.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Say anything yet.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
We're gonna take a little break and give you a
few minutes to decide what you want to do. Well,
find that if you want to forgive them when we
come back.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Downing, Joe's just all kind of just horrible attitudes. How
can you that's now, That's the one thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
That's why it's important when you're talking about being in
a committed relationship.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
You got to have wounds of regulations.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
You don't just throw your whole life out the door
and do crazy stuff like this. You know, And she says, Oh,
I love you with.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
All my heart.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
You sleep, you having sex in your home, in your bed,
and your husband your fedal bed. Please I'll care what
you do. Get a hotel, that's what you feel like
you've got to do.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
See, I just have a bit a serious issue with
people who uh, who are in those kinds of predicaments
and then they want you to you know, just Opel,
please forgive me.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I'm sorry that I did this. I mean, when did
you think stop to think five weeks later that oh,
maybe this is a mistake. But then even in your
even in her, in her, in her hate, you know,
she says, oh, I know I did it, but I
love you married very much and I love it with
all my heart. And you could just watch this guy.
I mean, I couldn't even imagine what he's saying. And
(34:23):
you know, and he said it would be too easy
for him to leave, and you know that's just awful.
Not Yeah, I couldn't have me. Have you ever been married? Check?
Mm would you want to be married?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Eventually?
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Get myself together?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I don't, right, and trust me, nine teens out of
ten you don't have You'll never have all your stuff
to get me before you go and do it, because
that is a huge that's the biggest commitment I ever
made in my life. And I'm I'm I'm really surprised
you still every day every day is like a birthday.
(35:06):
Every day with Hawaii and it, you know, I celebrate
and we laugh all the time, and honestly, and that's
what a lot of couples gonna do. They don't laugh together,
they don't dance anymore together, you know. And I always
said when I said, I get up, and he you know,
he said, som w was the last time you went
my dad danced? And they'll say yesterday, or you know,
(35:26):
we could go or whatever. But there's always I can't
remember last time me and your mama dance. I mean,
children need to see that their parents are in healthy relationships.
They don't have to know all your business. They don't.
Soon they start knowing all your business. They're backtracking on
you know, they don't. Don't never tell them about your business.
But the fact that he's and he said, didn't he
say there were children in the home, So that's more
(35:50):
than one a children? Just one baby a child? Because
I just said children, Now, how come they take one
of the child and then the children? Okay, I got it,
I got it. So that means that there's at least
one other person I'm one other child in that in
that mix. And what does what do you say to
somebody like that? That's why I forgive or forgets was
(36:12):
as popular and continues to be as popular cause because
sometimes people just they want to be heard, and out
of all the things, they just wanted to be heard.
They just really wanted to get, you know, stuff out
of the system of the chest, you know, and that
was a safe place for them to come. But most
it was a safe place. Sometime it wasn't so safe.
Sometimes it just was not fun to do that show
(36:34):
because people were just so mean and bitters some of
them could be. And it's like life was too short.
Don't you want to just so you don't have to
carry that?
Speaker 5 (36:45):
I mean, could you imagine.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Carrying them waves like that for like years?
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Right?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
It bothers my really bogles my mind. Okay, so you
know what the deal is, I don't know me.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
I'm feel bad for him, I really do, because it's like,
I'm gonna do what I wanna do.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Anyway, said what you're gonna do, but you ain't gonna
do nothing about it. But you wanna leave me. You
want me to leave. But she said their children involved. Okay,
let's see what she has to say. He has to say,
what's gonna be there?
Speaker 5 (37:18):
You welcome back? You aren't here with karm Brown. He
raised to find out of her husband.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Will forgive her today for.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Not telling him the truth about her affair, bad enough
that she had an affair, but then he didn't tell
him the whole truth about the affair. I think didn't
know that. He said that you you wouldn't gonna work
with Gordon if that's what he wants to do. But
if he's not, you're willing to understand and let your
feelings for the other person go a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
People that he knew, because you really want him to
come through that door.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
I mean, think about what I'm asking for. You really
want him to come to that doing forgive you because
you made a very extrange comment he said when he
told him about the other man. You just what they
wanted him to just pull you out of the house.
If you just want him to throw away the moon
and then you don't really have to take full responsibility.
That would be the only reason why I'd want him
(38:08):
not to walk through the door, because it I got
him being soft rest the way I feel a team
that I didn't know I put him through. It would
be more for him. But in my heart, I want
christ Mugs to work. I want more than.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Anything for my husband to to just make for us,
cause you get up and go to the US and
let's see if you figure.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Or not see.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
All I share a brown Let's open the door.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, so the mesup.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Let's I mean the course I have to do test
of that on TV. I I feel really suble in
r that they felt safe with us.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Did you say, Uh, I'm just I was just like
that was the safe place for people to be, you know,
and to be able to get that weight off of them.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
You know that I have to.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
I mean, it's it's bad enough you do it, and
then it's bad enough that you carry it and you
tell him a lie every day.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Every day.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
All I gain tell him what you wanted to know
I've done, Uh, pretty honest. Forget about everything that's gonna
he's knowing about the other person.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
I I was honest forge about that.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
But the the only that I have for him, I'm
stronger than what I like to a boy. And the
other parts is that, uh you I say, specifactally not
do and stuff for him, And I die night that
that as well. I wanted to do what I'll let
(40:00):
X whatever ex whatever you need me to do, whatever
I can do to to to not necessarily make us
up to you, but cause I know I can't. There's
a lot of pain that was reflected and I know
that and I'm truly truly sorry for that. But whatever
it is that I have to do that to make
us work, If that's something you want to do with me,
(40:23):
I don't do it anything. I won't do anything to
make this work.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
I don't want you to do what you too it.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
If you do all, I wanna do.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
That.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
What do you make on knowledge work?
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I don't want to to do or.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
I want you you too be very much gorgeous? Oh yeah?
Do you do you really believe her? I mean, do
you wi? Do you really want to work on your marriage?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
He's just a really strange thing and she he's she
violated a trunk.
Speaker 11 (41:05):
Yes, ye.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
And you seem like cause it seems to me you
are so hurt and it seems like you're more disappointed
than anything.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
I'm disappointed in her.
Speaker 11 (41:18):
I'm kind I'm kind of disappointed in myself for going
to a lot of this with Winders Hunt.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
You there, you did you not want to see it?
Did you just kind of feel it and you just
didn't wanna see it? Because you love her?
Speaker 1 (41:28):
So I kN I knew there were problems, but I didn't.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
Think there were problems like that's worth going f worth
her going this far for us exactly.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
We all have.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Problems in our relationships them. Sometimes communication breaks down.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
Here, what are you really willing to do?
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Don't care? And you see if anything that could any compass.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
You know, if you said, well, can I just want
you to go jump into the Hutson River, I would
jump into the Hutton River. Now you're not being real
with I had it. That's now. He doesn't seem like
he did be the kind of and that would even.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Come up with something like that, And he's not hit.
HiT's not that kind of person.
Speaker 5 (42:06):
If that means not being funds with him at all? Uh,
that's foot all, Den, That's that means you know you yeah,
his words and that's what I'm going to them.
Speaker 11 (42:18):
Do you know?
Speaker 5 (42:20):
It just seem like you just kind of want this
to be just a little too easy, like you're trying
to dump this in his laugh. You know, this is
a big thing that you're you're asking of him, And personally,
I thought you were one hell of a man to
walk through that door. I'll really do it.
Speaker 11 (42:41):
Just yet turn up obviously it seems like there's a
sexual problem in the marriage that's going on because you
did have a sexual relationship with the other song and
it seems like.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
You have to get that straighten out between these two
cause you're.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Gonna do it again.
Speaker 6 (42:55):
You're gonna meet somebody else. It's gonna really get you
get sex, and you're gonna do it again to the
poor guy he cause he's really do man, you know,
did he deserve that? You should crash them?
Speaker 5 (43:03):
What else? Yeah, I actually have a question from her.
Speaker 7 (43:08):
Is the guy that you were teating with did he
know that you actually married?
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (43:10):
Today, and I see you for anything usually just for
the kids takes you should try and you know, work
their jobs is at least for the kids, that's anything.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
I told Gordon that if I wanted to stay married
to him, I was going to stay married to him
because I loved him, not because of the children.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I don't want to tell him what they're doing their pars.
Speaker 7 (43:26):
I know people go into similar situations, and I feel like,
you know, the kids, when the kids grow up through
something like this, they don't realize, you know, what exactly
is going on could hurt them and affect them as
they grow up.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
And then the women. But let me tell you, when
people stayed married for the sake of the children, those
children grow up and realize that their parents marriage was
a whole lot which one is?
Speaker 1 (43:44):
What?
Speaker 11 (43:44):
What?
Speaker 5 (43:44):
What's worse growing up knowing that the parents hold relationship
with a lot or that they kind of to lose
and they had enough something to say, this is not working.
My parents said that for twenty six years they stayed
together because of us children and they can't even stand
to be in the same room as they. You don't
want to work on this, work on this. You both
have taken a very big step. You guys have got
(44:06):
to work on this.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
And thank you so much for sharing your story with us,
thinking to joining us today.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
We'll be right. Oh, people just can be.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
Bee.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
I don't know. That would be a hard thing to
try to. It's one thing to forgive or forget. It's
another thing trusting. And when that trust is broken, when
it's been violated, when you can't sit down and have
a conversation with your life partner, those are serious issues.
You know, there is something so that uh, don't go
(44:42):
to bed, don't go to bed angry with each other,
you know, and their time limited. There have been times,
don't get me wrong, when we would be up to
the sun came up and then we would be so
tired at work because we were so angry, and then
we just I say this, we can't stay mad at
each other long. You know, let's take too much interview.
(45:02):
That's much work. And I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say.
You're gonna say what you're gonna say. You know, we're
not in this. And there is a such thing as
fai fighting. And you just have to learn what that
balance is. And you got to know in the from
the beginning how important your friendship is. You know, your friendship,
(45:23):
your merid will fall apart. I told my husband and
this all the time. I don't think if you want
to leave me, I'm good with that. But if you
didn't want to be my friends, that would that would
just crush me. And not what she that's our glue
that we stay together like that keeps us together because
we are friends. And when you think about it, we
are more tolerant of our friends, of our chicks than
(45:45):
our guys than we are of my mates. We expect
that makes to be perfect. When you head walking in
the doors. If you want somebody perfect, I want to
fix him. I want to make her be the woman
that I want her to be. Similarly, some of the
stupidest things that people say to each other in a relationship. Okay,
this on the way out, I mean episode to eat
(46:07):
up birth, the dingy teaving. He's beating on his girlfriend.
She won't out way and mining she's just gonna wear
a man into her coat out school. Ooh, okay, oh yeah,
we gotta get anohing because that was that's gonna be.
That's gonna be some bad juju. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
People always say, see people the way youth like to
be treated well. Our next guess is when she was
growing up, she must have missed that lesson she.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Had missed, he told a minute one of her classmates.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
In high school, he teached her about everything, her height,
her glasses, her hair, and for you didn't have to graduation.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
He says.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
She felt terrible about what she did. Because he's here
today to apologize. Please said hello, I too, lay till coons.
I glad too. I he drown on her self and
has just started every day.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
The one thing he did and was that we was born.
He was not born.
Speaker 5 (47:10):
You know we So this was one of your friends
in high school, miss child, Well suce that one of
your friends but in the creek was in high school?
How awful were you to this girl? I was pretty
meet her.
Speaker 8 (47:21):
We took we had a class together after after the
fourth period, and we'd leave for half the day and
go to a hospital vound here and the bus rides
ay her bus side pretty tormentous.
Speaker 5 (47:36):
I would I would make fun of her hair.
Speaker 8 (47:38):
I would make fun of her glasses, cause had these
kind of thick coat bottle glasses.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
I'd make fun of her height.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
She wasn't sun cause you only sure people would glass
was going to school.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
But first of.
Speaker 6 (47:49):
All, I used to drive a school bug.
Speaker 5 (47:52):
Well my mother shortan has glasses, so I have no
room to talk.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Oh and.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
So I was.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
I was mean to this girl. I feel like the
friend of mine.
Speaker 8 (48:00):
And she wrote him a letter and I went and
I read this letter to everybody on the school bus.
You know, I was like the year so and so
I loved him so much, and you know I.
Speaker 5 (48:09):
Just went, Yeah, I did. And I would just make
fun of her.
Speaker 8 (48:16):
She had a book bag and I couldn't remember paying
her book bag and throwing it on the floor and
she would feel like to sit behind me bus driver
and I would sit there sometimes he uh, you know,
people just to agitate.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Her to get her going.
Speaker 12 (48:30):
And while I was fifteen, I got present and I
had my son at sixteen, and.
Speaker 5 (48:35):
So you know, I was now I didn't have any
room to talk.
Speaker 12 (48:39):
And I was a junior and she was a senior.
Speaker 8 (48:43):
While we were on this bus life and at one
point we held elections on on the bus or for
the people that that went on this program, and she
wanted to be.
Speaker 5 (48:53):
The president of this organization that we had.
Speaker 8 (48:55):
And because I knew that she wanted to to hold
the presidency, I ran against her.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
No that I would win, and I did, you know,
just to be mean or a little east. I know,
I know, and you know I'm not a mean person,
but I was you to this girl.
Speaker 8 (49:10):
And then after I graduated, I went on to college,
and then you know, I became a small office in
this big pond, and I started feeling really.
Speaker 5 (49:19):
Bad about what I had done. And I I had
looked for her.
Speaker 8 (49:22):
I asked old friends, I looked for on the internet.
I looked for her through phone books, you know, and
all my boys in college that I looked for her.
And I graduated from college and moved up here, and
my son started first grade up here, and he came
home one day he was really upset because somebody had
make you know, had been making fun of him, and
so I, uh, you know, I I.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
Didn't know what to tell him, myself so bad.
Speaker 8 (49:46):
All I could do was listen and you know, and
then it made me think about her, and and that's
with her, cause I know what it was like.
Speaker 5 (49:52):
To be made fun of. I mean, everybody's been made
fun of at some point in their life. You were
made for well, I said, somebody was O and so
and so. Then I started thinking about her mom and
how her mam.
Speaker 8 (50:04):
Must out when she would come home after school and
be upset because some girl on the school bus was
making fun of her, and so would make So you've
had a change of heart about the cold saying like
you say that you treateably still the way that you treated.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
With Shield has affected the way that you raise your
own son.
Speaker 5 (50:22):
Yeah, I have two little boys. My my oldest son
is you know, of able to go to school and
and stuff, and.
Speaker 8 (50:28):
And so I tell him about what I had done
and how bad I feel and I I can tell
him on both sides, cause, like I said, I know
what it's like to you make fun of and I
also know what it's like to make fun of other people.
And so I tell 'em, you know, not to make
fun of anyone, and if somebody makes fun of you, it's.
Speaker 5 (50:43):
You know, just wouldn't let a long.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
Let's take a look at what good baby Andrew had
to say about this.
Speaker 12 (50:49):
I know what it feels like to be dank old
what so I tried to am and he waved like
no matter what he feels to say. That's what my
mama's caught me. I little kan but man, they may
be here.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Out of the mouth of other day.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
Well, we got together with Waitechel to help up a
pair a message on videotape for her former class plate Michelle.
Let's take a look at that message as we miss
see Michelle watching it for the first time. Don't it'sen
Rachel remember me? I actually I hope you forgot about
me and what I did feel.
Speaker 8 (51:25):
I wanted to apologize for making of us write in
high school Wars or Extinct.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
I'm so scited to come in and pulling on your
book back and.
Speaker 5 (51:32):
Making fun of their pants. Who might he said, they
have the mother.
Speaker 8 (51:36):
Of a stick child boy, and I wanna set a
good example for him and not having make the same
mistake science making fun of other kids. I'm tired for
what I did to you, and I truly hope I'm
played it today and I SMA tight seth experience.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
I hope that you can forgive me. Make sure you
understand it up to Michelle if she wants to forgive you.
We're gonna take a little break and when we come back,
we'll find out if we said to do that or not.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Bully got right up to that, and it goes on today, bullying,
and it's even worse now. I mean, it's horrible the
way that they bully these kids on the internet. And
I mean we had a we had a baffer, and
there was always you know, and when you're in school,
it's almost kind of like a hierarchy as it were,
(52:24):
you know, because you got with your click, you got
with this clique. You know, these are your friends or whatever.
And I didn't want to belong to none of the
cliques because I thought they were all kind of chilly,
you know. I mean, you know, teenagers, you know, we
think we're invincible and we I told you this time,
I thought I could fly off off the roof of
our apartment. My mother didn't even care about it. I
(52:46):
could have jumped off and broke my neck, broke my
neck or something like that. He said, Oh no, you
did not check my good chief off my bed and think.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
You could like the super Girl.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
It's do insane, it's nice. Oh but I thought I
could fly, and you don't think that it's gonna hurt
other people. I remember watching these three ticks that we were.
We went to elementary school all the way up to
high school, and they just do the people all the
way down the line all the dang fool with me
and don't let me hear you gods have been about somebody,
(53:16):
because I'd be the first one to say what you
said about Gail a few minutes ago in the bathroom
and they're like, oh God, I don't tell her nothing.
He gonna tell, Well, why you gotta talk behind your back?
You got something you gotta be with me? Tell me
tell my face, just tell me to my faith. I'm
not a fighter. I'm not into that car. And I
would never I would have never been a fair fighter.
You know, I'd have picked up a brick or stuff
(53:36):
that's go up in there on. Just let me stay
over here, my we happy silly world right over here,
because people don't understand. You think it's getting movie by
your parents and your brothers and sisters and the people
at school, and then you just need somebody to hear
what you're saying. That's the really what it is. And
people that bullied, they always say hurting people, hurt people,
(53:56):
and he knew what that was like, and it's like, okay,
so I just to me, and okay, I can do
to somebody else and that'll be okay. Let's see how
okay Michelle was after she heard this door.
Speaker 5 (54:10):
Welcome back when it was Rachel calls he's ready to find.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
Out if a grocy teeth back in high.
Speaker 5 (54:15):
School has decided to come here to forgive her.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
Rachel, you know it's up to your form a class late.
I don't want to say preaking for.
Speaker 5 (54:23):
My classmate, Michelle, if she's ready to forgive you, if
she's standing on the other side of that door.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
But if she's not there, that means it may be.
Speaker 5 (54:30):
You just hurt her too much and she's just not
gonna let you off the hook, said he just are
you ready to find out?
Speaker 3 (54:36):
Okay, go take your place in front of the door.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Even we say that's the longest length day of the TB.
Speaker 5 (54:44):
All right, Rachel, let's open the door because tell would
you wanna say where?
Speaker 8 (55:04):
He told, Oh, I don't gay, I was hoping you
get in forgive them, but I didn't know you ready.
And I just really want to apologize. First high school
I didn't really do.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
I am so sorry.
Speaker 5 (55:15):
I mean I have but I have two boys now.
Speaker 6 (55:17):
I hope that they don't have to go through what
I put east to in high school.
Speaker 12 (55:22):
Or I'm wanting forgive you, and I want to know
that you it's it's not it's right to be teasing
anybody and to hunt anything. I need to teaching, you
need you don't want your teach Uh. Let me let
the person know why you're tiving them that way, because
(55:44):
it does hurt a lot.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
M I am.
Speaker 5 (55:50):
You know there's a little more to there's a lot
more to this story, because it seems like to me,
it's just like Michael said, when people are teasing somebody
because they look yeah for they never stopped once to
ever ask well, Why am I teasing her? You know
you tease you about her height? Did you ever wonder
how comes she's a small person. I like to bring
(56:12):
someone into this. Dick is mister Daniel Sullivan. He's Missal's dad.
N times it was for you. She said, her son
came home crying about people teasing her son. How was
it when your baby came home?
Speaker 3 (56:25):
Because in your baby they always teased.
Speaker 7 (56:27):
Then, well, I believe it was a little more devastating
than that because a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 6 (56:33):
A lot of schools can show her to overcome their life.
Speaker 7 (56:37):
Back in nineteenth seventy ninety, she was diagnosed with leukemia
and she went the Red here to for about a
year from June nineteen eighty when she had to relapse.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
She was then given sixth to ninety maybe four months
to live.
Speaker 6 (56:52):
And we had to make the decision.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
So her brother.
Speaker 7 (56:57):
Volunteered to give her a huge bow marrow. Current went
out to the UCLA Medical Center. They performed the bow
mary transplant. She stayed there for about three months, came home,
and for about another nine ninety ten months she was
as a home bowl student with a advisors to the
clinics went through a lot to where the doctor and
(57:19):
had to come to the house.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
A lot of the physical.
Speaker 7 (57:22):
Attributes such as her her heights, the wearing of the
glasses and so forth a direct result of the therapy.
She had to have chemo therapy and radiation from la
UH to overcome the Latina UH. Like I said, if
her brother volunteered in goodness and this UH year in August,
(57:43):
it's gonna be eighteen years that she was a survivor.
Speaker 5 (57:59):
There had also, like.
Speaker 7 (58:01):
Rachel, from one parent to another, you can't judge your
book by its cover. You need to find out the
reason because what's in the heart can be better than
physical as you and I just bo just helps you,
you your family in a better way of the future.
Speaker 5 (58:20):
What can I just say thing He raised the champions
because nobody knew. If you had to know that this
is what this child had been going through, been so
cool to her now. He never once stopped to ask why.
All you saw was a difference. And that's when a
lot of us see we just see a difference, and
(58:41):
we think that gives a cart blodge to win till
there's six right next to you champions.
Speaker 7 (58:53):
In her life, there was only one real friend that
she had that would stand by her and told her father,
do your fine in the military. And after that she's
only had basically one or two good friends that would
really stare by her and take us to the side
the hunt.
Speaker 12 (59:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (59:13):
Can I save this to you no way, because you
did one heck.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
Of result it today, because you.
Speaker 5 (59:18):
Know there are a lot of bullies. Even if I
told you I drove.
Speaker 3 (59:20):
The bus, I drove a lot of kids around like you.
Speaker 5 (59:24):
What you did was you.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
Came forward and put yourself on the line to take
responsibility for what you did.
Speaker 5 (59:30):
I hope the kids to tea that that ride the bus.
The people who really kill are the human beings. I
hope they're able to set up for the chase if
you should have stopped a whole lot of stuff, because
we don't know just how many little champions and little
white life that we had. And the little Michelle said, Darling,
(59:50):
thank you very much. Say that's a whole woman girl.
Speaker 1 (59:53):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 5 (59:55):
I thank you, Michelle, Thank you, Rachel, thank you both
for tearing your story.
Speaker 1 (59:58):
Thank you, Daniel me right back and see I was
I was doing real good without the tissue. I was
doing real goods. Thank you, baby.
Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
That's that's, that's that's can't tell you how I didn't
even see I didn't even I just picked the episode
out of a.
Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Random That is so perfect for what we're going through today,
isn't it. I mean right there, look right there, And
it's not just kids doing doing that. Don't do that too, oh,
and don't have a little bit of power. Don't have
but a little bit of power. And I'm just gonna
throw it up in your face every chance I get.
(01:00:37):
That's why the tongue is mightier than the sword and forgiveness,
it's mightier than all of it. You don't have to
forget it, learn from it, grow from it. And we
thought that ship was gonna be next week. We all
off the kilter right now.
Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I love you and enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Thank you, baby, Thank you everybody so chiming in and
watching us and listening to the craziness that it is
still going on. And your mother loves here. Remember no
matter how big of tall, surely small thick of thing
matters now what's in you're in. Everybody needs some mother
love now and then peace, stable peace, and blessings everybody
(01:01:12):
be safe, be well. That's all we gotta say. All right, well,
bel
Three and go hey, hey, hey bab it's going on.
You know, hey, Shaq, how you doing today?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We're looking on all night, be giving me the dreamy eyes.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I know you got a date. He pouta go okay,
we got to slip out of you a very handy.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I gotta I gotta date with you for the next
sound okay, that's.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
All I get. That's all I need. So that that's
trust me and half of that I'm gonna be fleeping.
I'm just letting you know. This is this is what happened. Oh,
just the idea. We get plumb tuckered out. I'm like, yeah,
you're on. No, I'm not gonna take too much word,
you know. And I didn't really understand about the longevity
and the marriage because I never thought I would be
never thought I would be married, and certainly not be
(00:45):
married to the same man for lack of duration. And
you know, I was. I was kind of scared of God.
When we had a church wedding. The preacher cuts us
went off on us in the church at our wedding.
On our wedding day.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Oh, he went in.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I said, you know, I'm gonna have to write a
book of martinis. But I'm gonna have a chapter. Yes see,
you passed. We almost got into a fifth flight at
the wind and I was about ready to cut it.
They thought i'd have a water knife up fund the
front of the train and Madrid didn't even remember my name.
Somebody I wouldn't walk down the I without my white
wunner because it was as we did a beautiful job
on the grunner, and so it was like maybe twenty
(01:23):
thirty minutes late where they had to leave or go
back and come back and get it and roll it out.
So he said, I don't know what, what the heck
we sit up.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
There waiting on you to get a walk a white wunner,
only to get white wanner.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
You ain't getting.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
No.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
You got some bigger than me, and they're talking about
you want to get money with a white one. I
mean just went clean off clean. And then I made
the ship and I don't even remember what the ship was,
but I made the ship and everybody in the church
did it. That said. He was like, Oh, I'm like,
don't y'all say enough? I turned it round when they
(01:55):
got to the park. Anybody objected this. I wish one
of y'all would safe, something I'm wish wanted y'all. Come on,
come on, keet, this wasn't he not yet. I am
just amazed at the longevity of our marriage. And I,
like I tell my husband all the time, if you
weren't finningother with not be bothered with you. Look, you
can get a fat bald head blind one eye I
(02:16):
can't see out the other, put double in a spank
for the wig, hat on a bake of face up
and look good. And you girl, you get an old
guy that can't talk, and you know, look at all crazy.
You put him in a tuxedo. What do you have?
You got jumped in a TUXI or that said you
got ugly in the tux I'm just saying I don't
know why I just went off on next handed. Well,
welcome to the program everyone.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
I am your illustrious, wonderful delightful that the mother does.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And this is miss the wonderful himself, mister wonderful. I
have to say too, because I got my husband, my
fron grandfather and the more buddy. But you you look,
you gotta send me a photograph you can. I won't
pitch up on my fellow table. Oh I'm I'm there, okay,
said look at photograph in color. And I only put
my favorite fellas up there, I really do. And everybody, well,
(03:04):
how do I make the fellow table? I say, I
don't even like you that you ain't gonna be just
like you are straight to it, buddy, huh. And so
now it's like an honor. So I'm really didn't work
for you, guys. Man, I would probably be still trapped
at the Looney Being up in Canada. See you ain't
know that, uh huh. I did a movie in Canada
(03:27):
and we did it in the Looney Being, and my
director said, oh, this is right, this is right up
your alley here and the mother love. There's crazy people
working with other crazy. We had a ball even though
I was band from Catheen, and they ruled my name
all the way through the end of Distant. So nobody
came up to let the captain and don't let it
eat good? Is it expresso? The little one in the
little coming a little shot up? You know what I'm saying, right,
(03:52):
what is it? Expressed? It coming? You know, I didn't
know what it was, and I'm all for you know
what I mean? New things. So we're on the movie said,
and you know it's going to the week hours of
the morning and they're trying to block their shots and
what have you. And the director goes, we don't take
just a tick of the conversation, sir, I want you
(04:13):
to go and get me a double Express up And
I said, oh, I'm those two. I just like the
words times double Express Tho it sounds like time in
this literally cub never had before. I told you. Five
minutes later, I couldn't stop myself, but they kept saying,
please tell me, y'all rolling and turn around her because
(04:35):
this is crazy. I almost lost the guy in the
chair picker because I just couldn't stop. And it was
he And the next day on the STA all the
hair dresser and the wardrobe and so give mother love
is not allowed caffeine on their shoes.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
I was like, y'all got a line of hers.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
They wouldn't let me have the caffeine. You haven't seen me.
You think I'm crazy? Now see me on pathee. And
if I'm gonna take coffee, why wouldn't I don't understand
you depilate the coffee. That's like me and Bill, why
do you wanna take the here you can't get a bud.
That's kinds stupid. Okay, it's just one of those days,
so shocking. I we reminisced about forgive or forget. See
(05:12):
I got I'm gonna forgive me forget. You know, I'm
gonna give me some more T shirts made. They probably
just say the Mother Love Show. But right now, this
what we're doing right now because it is the Mother
Love Show and nobody ever called it forgive or forget.
He's the producer says, okay, this Mother Love Show. What
does this sound out there? Say forgive or forgive them?
Me blending this on me, It's just fall down, you know,
far down the street. I'm just saying so and we
(05:34):
womin this about forgive her for again. The stories that
we have, the people that we've met, and this day,
that's a good thing. He's hands them because he is
crazy now. And the more I talked to him with crazy,
He's seven years out of his life. Just to make
sure that I stayed relevantly on and say what, I'm
gonna forgive her forget and no will Oh. I am
(05:56):
forever grateful to you, Thank you so much. So now
and I don't make him I don't think them. I
just observed and report he did. And you know you
know by now he got a pretty sick and twisted thing.
And just for you know, am I going to need
these today? Probably all right here? Who don't tap now?
Speaker 5 (06:24):
Of course they're gonna need those.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Sure you're gonna need those.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
And you don't seen him if he ain't some thing
that's water here. That's what I told you. What First
of all, you knew who I was when you called
me to come do this here, so you know I'm
feelings on my sleeve. That's why people say you be mean.
Now I'm not being mean. You're gonna come in here
and ask me do I like you? If I tell
you I don't like it because I don't like you.
(06:52):
I have to work with you, but I don't. I
ain't gotta like you. And I didn't like him. He
didn't like me either. You can see well now because
we brought up with I could be I can't do it.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
I can't do it, you know, so we do what
we do. So who have you?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Who have you selected for this weekend? S my rage
up talk?
Speaker 5 (07:12):
Well?
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Well, this this is this is gonna be really used.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
The first one the first guest is Louise Carbeta.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
He's coming on the show to a Pausize who is
at Rosie for Lyne cheating and hitting her.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So it's a good thing we got to scream because
you know that sounded like one of them guys. I
would have took my shoe off and just wanted up
apart here to take my west off shoes. Okay, here
we go.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
Well for guy and now the just or to get mother.
Speaker 8 (08:05):
All that day.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
That day, our guest to his dad just say they're sorry.
We every novel situation with the one they done something
wrong to in the past. They won't know until they.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Give it a try.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
Our first guest there during his three year relationship with
his ex girlfriend. He was jumping but one day or
why do you do another one? He says he cheated
on us so many times. At the last day of
the relationship was just one bed alive, so he ended it.
But now he thinks she's the one that got away.
He sell it to apologize and tell him that he's
(08:37):
a man now and not that stupid kid who broke
her heart. Please say hello to Lewis copying us.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
They were being nice.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Hi, Louis are you doing more.
Speaker 5 (08:58):
Before I'm doing all right, yeah, before we get jobs.
There stupid stuff you said you did tell us about
how you and you know first just love that got
away for me. Well, they tell us about Jerry.
Speaker 6 (09:08):
Let some kids come. You want me to how I
first started.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
How it was.
Speaker 9 (09:12):
Yeah, I met up in high school. When I was
in high school. You know, that was the first time
I was so hundred you know, I gotta have her.
I gotta you know, I wanted that hide, you know,
you know, so I went after.
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Her, taught her. Didn't know I got her.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
The first couple of.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
Years, you know, everything was fun, see.
Speaker 9 (09:27):
But then I graduated high school and that you know,
I did my first year of college.
Speaker 6 (09:32):
I you know, got me a DC job for the
teacher do some money. I start, you know, I started
going into the club seeing you know, the drinking and
how can I put this, you know, myself. I started expanding.
Speaker 10 (09:42):
I started meeting other people, and that's when I started
jumping from bed to bed. You know, I was lying
to her, seating on her, you know, so much alcohol
in my cause I was working like every day, you know,
it was in just you know, in the week, cause
it was like every day.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
I was out, I was at my job or school.
I was drunk. I was coming. I think you're bothering,
and I'll put my hands on.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
I know what's wrong.
Speaker 6 (10:03):
I know what was wrong. You know y'all want to
move me? Go ahead, come on, let me here. That
was not long enough.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Come on, see but that that's that's what I'm tanna say.
Speaker 11 (10:14):
I'm apologizing because you know, I see all the.
Speaker 9 (10:17):
Time on wils he's trying to make me a better man.
And you know that's that's my whole point. I was
a boy back then. See I'm a man now, and
I'm trying to apologize cracking of a little boy.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Okay, now now that he gloss over your little stoke.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
And you you know done all that.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
You know, y'all ex gave you the boob. I think
you had to.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
You're a little too early. Tell her what you really
did when you started seeing ying to tell us how.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Bad it really got.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Come on, a little dude, it's upbody god, I got
some good pregnant way way that war how tight when
they pregnant little les? Come on, he's fooling around on roads,
he lying toward, he's going with her friends. He got
two women pragged the same time. Yeah, I was a
(11:04):
digging back then. Well you know, yes, I still love
with me hi ah Right, I was wondering how long
ago you guys broke up, and what was it that
brought either this revelation.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
That you want to be with her and she broke
up in ninety four? You know it was lappened to me?
Was this year during basketball season I busted up home,
tunder and linging into my heel. But I I was
held for a long time. I was just knocked up,
and I just did a lot of.
Speaker 11 (11:29):
Thinking, a lot of thought, such, you were knocked up
a business, not love?
Speaker 5 (11:35):
How many years you was with her?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
About three years?
Speaker 5 (11:38):
And more than three years? What are they loving her?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
See that?
Speaker 5 (11:41):
That's why I'm realizing that it was you know she
did she She wasn't one.
Speaker 9 (11:45):
You know, she tried to maybe me making a better
person now and I just come people out of status now.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
He just wasn't having been.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
There at a person.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
So why did you want wait live on just internact
with your baby? Okay? So why do you want to
apologize to her now? Cause I I was never meant
about it.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
I never did it back then.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
So I wanna do it nothing to give him some credit. Man,
But why did you do it?
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Why?
Speaker 5 (12:06):
High school underhead man? Like I said, Like I said,
I was y'all, I was a little boy.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You know.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
I was just wanning walk more polities to see it.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Okay, that's what I went on out when we met
up with little to help him put in a pology
on thee you'll take before it hit that girlfriend rose here, Well,
I take a look at that mask that actual we
see her watching it by the first time, kill Rosie.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Ecuse me?
Speaker 6 (12:28):
And I met you wanted me what I'm doing here?
I know, which told him brander me.
Speaker 9 (12:33):
But today I'm a man and I made apologize for
the access of a little boy. I need apologize for
all the times that I cheated.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
On you, for the times that I hit you, for
the times that I lie. Cause if you said I
am a better.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
Man from me apologizing, try to make commands for all
the wrongdoings that I did to you.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
So please, I went just fun to deep in your
heart and forgive me. Oh well, Country.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Louis, I said, watching your lesson, you know it was
up too well that to decide if she wanted to
be here.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Today to to give you.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
And what we're gonna do is take a little break
and then working and find out if she's on the
other side of that door.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Ready to forgive you.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Do his voice? Oh no, no, cause I couldn't get
my little off. He next soon enough before them and
break it out.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
And I was I'm still a really good host cause
I'm like, okay, now you wanna shoot process.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And and I know a lot of people probably be
when they saw the stuff. Oh he's not taking this serious. Uh.
And I can see the nervousness and his and his
voising in his body language.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
And a lot of times when people are nervous, you
start smiling a lot, or they'll do.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Their you know what.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
And I'm like, no, so I I see the nervousness
in him, you know, I say, yes, I would that
would have been one with the how with the house
flipp of coming off enough side in the back of
your sea defe was it? See they have a really
good lawyer, not.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
That really good lawyer.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
So but knock me up. I got bail money in
my shoe. Sometimes you got the you know, you know,
violence is never the answer. It's never being Yeah, and
I'm being sydcastic. It's never the answer. And there's and
the fact that he said, I want to apologize for
a boy's uh the behavior because because I'm a man
now and I can see it different, you know, And
(14:29):
I'm always a little suspect when people say it's like
what he said, well, she makes me a better man now,
she can't make you no better man. You have to
make your old one say that, because maybe I did
say that. Okay, it's gonna hit him, but well, I
just say a word word to me.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
And then a lot of times when you show people
come on and something happens to I mean, I get it.
You have something has to happen to you.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
So that you have to wake up call that.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
You know, it says, Okay, I gotta tell you something.
I don't know if he doesn't seem secure.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Me, if you know from an audience to boot.
Speaker 5 (15:05):
Come on, boom me boomy, Like I don't know, I
think he was mean.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I'm going to err on the side of Parson that
he was nervous and you're gonna be angel Yeah, right,
told the way I keep their money because see I
might have that. I'm just really surprised because I keep
that I'm an open book. Matter of fact, I'm volumes
of open books. I want to know that's why they
(15:30):
came blackmail us, because we didn't tell the story better
than anybody, so so then you don't believe me. I'm
wanting to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Time with my audience booing him, because he says he
regrets the terrible way he see his ex girlfriend Rosie.
Now before them break, he apologized to Rosie, and I'm
just waiting to find out if he could to ski
him a little sipo. I couldn't go over to the door,
I said, talking one more questions, and I'd like to
ask you said at the beginning of your story that
(16:05):
you just abruptly broke this off because the last day
was your relationship with one big lie.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Why did you still will have enough gumption to go
to her and say.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
To her, look, well they this here, this is over you.
Speaker 10 (16:17):
Just as as these young people like to say you
just about model model, God could just put it on
like just real quick.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
I was being a car with just just like that.
I was just young and being a car with I
couldn't even be meant enough to step up to the
woe that I did. I'll just disappeared to look.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
But how long has it anything?
Speaker 5 (16:38):
You seem been like three years? You wng So you
ain't getting there to around with you for a while.
Oh yeah, think about it every day. But you know
this is a good thing. But it's just a good
thing for your son, because, like you said, you did
something a little boy would do. And now you're taking
a step and the I tell my son this all
the time. Son, you're standing at the thresholder manhood. All
right with Louis. She's gonna stend over at that door
and you open that door, wall opens up for you.
(17:00):
M door a madhood. Lewis wants to North Roos here
to accept his apologies for the terrible thing to see done.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Line in the cheating.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
But let's open the door and find out if she's here.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Open the door. Ooh ooh, ooh, you mad Oh look
at him.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
You don't look at me.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
Look out now I'm looking.
Speaker 9 (17:33):
I'm just wanna say, I'm stally, I'm a polgizic if
I was a little boy.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
I'm a man out and I'm saying I'm stally. You
should have never been cheated like that you should be
cheated like the queen that you are.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
You know.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
You could get off my test.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
When I get on back over there, said the sofa center.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I'll talk to him.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I'm a good girl. He'll believe it meither not.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
You got that part of your sistant. Tell her what
you want to say to her.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
What I'm sorry, y'all polyzh you know you want to
hit me, hit me, kick me out.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
I will not bottom hop or from y'all you need
it too, lady, I will not the way you all? Well,
what did you have to What would you like to
say to him? He coiven. He has been for a
long time now, and don doctor tells him been and
(18:40):
you know that. Thank if everything was setting done back
then I have to give you.
Speaker 12 (18:46):
I've moved on.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
What he did to me is in the past. Actually,
I learned from all this, the things he did tell me,
he he you lit them? Do you violate at me
in every way? Safe them?
Speaker 1 (19:04):
For him? And I grew up.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
I had healthy.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Relationships from there on.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
I've been with two other people since, say and I would.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Never let them see me the way you seated me.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Yeah, now you're looking at our Pitif.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I can't ever go back to you.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Yeah, I said to me, the reason I came.
Speaker 11 (19:34):
Into the show was to forget, you know, after forgiveness,
I never.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Said, uh, you know I don't want her to be
with me.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I was born.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
I was lost for what I said. I just wait, no, no,
let him say but he hasn't. Let him say yeah,
let him say.
Speaker 11 (19:45):
It's never probably got to her faith.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
We we we didn't any contact, but we no no,
all party was.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Ever set on me and left on part of right
right now.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Okay, we have a question.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Yeah, I'd like to you know, what type of food
are going on you today?
Speaker 11 (19:59):
What?
Speaker 13 (20:01):
Wait a minute, wait a minute, all of us on
the problems we met a saying back here, which becomes
not a father.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
He doesn't consider himself a father every time I ask him,
hous your little girl? White little girl? Like I said,
I just say that, you mean my other kid.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Listen to listen, listen as.
Speaker 9 (20:30):
We listen, funny, I'm going I'm trying to go to
course uple get part because they're my daughter.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Okay, send up.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
Yeah, yeah, I hear you, I hear you.
Speaker 7 (20:38):
Apologize to head and that's all well and good, but
it sounds like there's two other people you have to
apologize to one day, the mother, your child.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Have you apologized to those two women?
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Know it's not happening. I'm I'm just my thoughts all
because I don't think you'll find them behind that door.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I know.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
We got to have a part. We love them. We
have to believe that we can fix all of these
bad things. That's the whole purpose of this show. Let's
won't take a good sens.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
You a big trouble.
Speaker 5 (21:11):
What's the question presented which you say.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You're a predator?
Speaker 11 (21:16):
Change the supply in the army, you go after what's
known as pockets of opportunity.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
You'll never change.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Well, you know what, you know he might have a
point there.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
I hope he doesn't have a point.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
I don't ever hope that you can change. I hope
that you have taken the step and you stood at
at our door, at our threshold, and that he did
make a change. I am proud of you, Rothie. Sometimes
that which does not kill us will make a song.
And there since a woman in your presence.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
That's the one who shows that the way snacked my
hair off and the hair does that?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
What don't wig had that own woman?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
See, I hope that he meant that, and I think
he was. I think he really meant it. He really
wanted to do that, and I'm just glad, like I
agree with that guy apologized. Oh and dude, that there
you you're you're predator. I mean, just cut to the chase.
(22:26):
You are a predator now. And I think that shook
him up. You know, listening and when it's coming from
other men, other you, it probably has us. Hope that
it had a lot of foundation, that he would see
that he can't be better and he can't do better. Yeah,
I would like to know his kids, like proy have grown.
Man now they come on this show and tell us
(22:47):
how daddy was. What's t that daddy do? Did he cutting?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
I'm as a father he is, I have.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
To brother his littlejourney the Warler girl. See, I needed
three pairs of shoes to throw at him. Okay, I'm there.
She was more done here and I gotta compu so
Yo won't let everybody know for the world him, that's
Whaby cut off his his action off right there for
a while. At least, maybe he moved to Borne y'all
(23:16):
who knows. Okay, what are you proud of her?
Speaker 11 (23:19):
Though?
Speaker 3 (23:21):
I'm very proud of her, I really am. And that
make like you said, that makes her strong the.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Fact that she came out the door, and that makes
her stronger.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Look, and she continues to learn and she continues to
grow because she knows firsthand what not to accept from
a guy period.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
You know.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
And I've always thought, especially when you're thinking, you know,
you're going into a long term relationship with him, and
and it shifts and changes as the years go by.
And I get that. That's why in the in the
wedding valsers they gave marriage is an institution not to
be lightly. You're talking about dedicating your life to another
(24:03):
person and them dedicating their lives to you. And that's
why I'm like, and we're still married. See, I know
my father's gonna get into heaven. He is say people gonna,
dude'll come in. Just you come right on there, and
you're gonna job well done. Me I can be right
behind it. And I'm getting to go right to the
gate with him. He miss it. Sit down. That's why
they got a mercy seat at the gate at the
(24:25):
Pearly Gate. No, you got some explaining their new chick.
I was like, you know, that's why I'm I've been
trying to clean up my life. I used to be
doing a half heathen. Sometimes about half a heathen, you know.
So sometimes you have to open up a can on
somebody and you know they gotta you could they gotta
understand you mean to business. And that's why this is
tonguess mightier than a sword. Okay, well that was really good.
(24:49):
I'm so proud of her, all my good I had
to just give her so or her mother love her
all these many years later and I know she she
probably turns out really really well. See, they want to
be grown up. I don't want to be a grown up.
Grown up sucks the mother them suck well, but they
still suck. Yeah, Like you're serious, I'm gonna cut dumps.
(25:11):
I'm a kid of dump. I don't like be I'm responsible.
See the gotta be responsible. We gotta pay house, no taxes.
And then when I found out who Uncle Sam was
and he wouldn't getting me none of my money back,
you know, I was like, I've done. I'll say so
now who's who's up next? Actually very chatty today yeah.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Now, everyone can't say every birthday, pandem oh, happy birthday.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
We could eat hey, right, see they all like you.
I'm glad they like you. Be tuning in you mean,
oh no, this is this is I love you for
all of them, you know. Okay, So who who's next? Untapped?
Speaker 6 (25:57):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
Oh I meant to get there. Well you her husband
self communicating, she found someone else to talk to and
then found herself involved in a lot more than just talking.
He said. Her husband knows she cheated, but she needs
toccess up to him, that her relationship with the other
man was a lot more.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Serious than he had thought.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
Please welcome Karen Brown.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
What okay, I'm giving the cat Murphy.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Hi parent.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Hi.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
So now, before we get into your involvement and disappeared,
tell us about your marriage with Gordon. My marriage to
Gordon was wonderful. That was absolutely wonderful. We got married
two years ago that past March, and we decided to
move to Connecticut March of Glastar and I really didn't
(26:51):
wanna move to Connecticut because my family and everything was
in New York. And once we moved to the communication stopped,
you know, because I had and harboring a resentment about
being here and not wanting to be here, and it
just it stopped. And we had a baby. He turned
a year old this month, and all these staty communication stuff,
(27:12):
they were all right, only certain communications, the important communication
stop and I was telling him that we needed to
see a marriage counselor we needed to talk to each other,
and it just it wasn't happening. Something always came out,
either on his part or on my part. So I thought,
council elsewhere. And I met a man. And this man
(27:35):
and I went out to coffee one night and we
were just gonna go and talk, and it ended up
being a little bit more than that. We run in
a motel room, and we had agreed that it was
I know, it's horrible. We had agreed that it was
gonna be a one time stot and just strictly specks
and no emotion, no feeling, no nothing, And it ended
(27:56):
up lasting.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
For five weeks.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
My husband walked in and saw this man sitting at
my pittom table after we had just got done doing
our business, and you brought him into your home. Yeah, man,
I know.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
I'm married, and I believe it a sanctity of my marriage.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
Well it's and I know it's hard, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
And my thing is just because you fool it only
came into the.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Menu, but you I supposed to type of stuff on
the menu. That was my belief as well, that I
sprayed from them.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
How did you ended with see this other person after
five weeks?
Speaker 11 (28:34):
Me?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Is it over?
Speaker 3 (28:35):
It's over?
Speaker 5 (28:36):
That it ended this past weekend. And I just told
him and I know, I just I just told him
that my marriage is more important to me than anything
else and actualized still wrong. I realized how horribly and
terribly I heard my husband. It was horrible. You're still
married to him. I'm still married to my husband. You've
just been curious. We go we just we'll go down Tomorth.
(28:59):
We wanted with your god, what about the fact where
was the baby?
Speaker 13 (29:03):
When you have this other man in your you're supposed
to be your husband Toms as well?
Speaker 5 (29:09):
Where was he in the house? Do you mean this
is the fact that you have a child with your husband?
Speaker 12 (29:14):
You why are you bringing another man?
Speaker 5 (29:16):
It's your home to give Bisland. I was irresponsible and
very selfish. You know, there's no excuse for it.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
It was rama.
Speaker 5 (29:23):
I know that what Karen how did you find out
about this affair?
Speaker 12 (29:26):
Did you?
Speaker 5 (29:26):
I told him, thanksfy to a lord and I, as
I said, has done kind of rocky. And he asked
me about four days into the affairs there was anything
going on because I wasn't acting right and it just
came out and he said, I mean, what do you
do when you take your husband ill? I had another man?
(29:47):
What do you say?
Speaker 6 (29:47):
So long?
Speaker 5 (29:48):
He forgave me. You know what did he say? I
and know what did he say?
Speaker 3 (29:51):
What did he say?
Speaker 5 (29:52):
What did you say?
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I told him?
Speaker 5 (29:54):
I told him that there was another man and that
I didn't have feelings for this person and that I
wasn't I begged him, I begged and pleaded with him
to throw me out of the house, to divorce me,
to just end it all. And Borden's statement to me was,
I'm not going to do that because it's too easy
for you, oh awesome to say what it please?
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Why did it take you five.
Speaker 6 (30:17):
Weeks to notice everything? And then you've seen your kid
every day, you're seeing your husband every day. Why to
take you five weeks?
Speaker 5 (30:22):
I wasn't seeing my husband every day. I had asked
him to move out the day that I told him
everything that was going on. So it wasn't that in
my face.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
You know, put your.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Questend it with him.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
How can you kick him out when you're the one
that's going wrong?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (30:43):
Probably the reason why he left this because there are
children in the house. Had it done and the opposite
and there were no kids involved, I would have left. Okay, Now,
what do you want to tell him to do? Because
there are some things that he doesn't know. Yeah, and
so tell us about the thing that.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
He doesn't know, the thing that he the there's two things.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
That Gordon doesn't know about us. Gordon had asked me
if I was going to continue to see this man,
not to have sex with him and our bad and
I did that. God, Judy does not know that the
feelings I have for the other person are stronger than
just friendships. And he needs to know I I cannot
(31:27):
honestly work on my marriage with and if that's what
he's willing to do. If he's willing to work on
the marriage with me, I'll understand. If he's not, I'll
understand that feel You know, you're really just trying to
get this completely out of the office and get this
off of your chest.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yes, and your neck and off your button.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Off your brain and a half of every everything. We
met up with Ken in her home to help up
a pair that's age on videotape for her husband, Gordon.
Gordon has agreed to be here today to.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Watch Karen's massic.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
So Gordon has not seen or heard any of the
day's show and he's joining us live Backstay me, hi, Gordon,
thanks for joining at again.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Gain.
Speaker 5 (32:03):
How are oh, I'm very well? Say how will you?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (32:07):
Well?
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Are you ready?
Speaker 5 (32:08):
It was hearing message? Yeah, okay, Well, let's all watch
you begin. Gordon. I've been any very honest with you
about what's been going on for the last month, with
the exception of two things. You ask me not to
have sex in our bed with another person, and that happened.
And you also need to know that the feelings that
I have for this person are stronger than I let
(32:30):
you to believe. What I'm asking you for is your
forgiveness so we can work on this and make our
marriage work. I'm willing to throw all that away and
stick all of that on the background and just get
rid of it so I can focus on our marriage
and make this work. I want you to know that
I'm truly sorry for the pain that I've put you through.
I know it's been tremendous and that was not at
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all my intentions. I love you very much, I love
you with all my heart, and I'm willing to do
whatever it takes to make our marriage work. I hope
you to feel the same way. You couldn't know.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Say anything yet.
Speaker 5 (33:02):
We're gonna take a little break and give you a
few minutes to decide what you want to do. Well,
find that if you want to forgive them when we
come back.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Downing, Joe's just all kind of just horrible attitudes. How
can you that's now, That's the one thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
That's why it's important when you're talking about being in
a committed relationship.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
You got to have wounds of regulations.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
You don't just throw your whole life out the door
and do crazy stuff like this. You know, And she says, Oh,
I love you with.
Speaker 5 (33:36):
All my heart.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
You sleep, you having sex in your home, in your bed,
and your husband your fedal bed. Please I'll care what
you do. Get a hotel, that's what you feel like
you've got to do.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
See, I just have a bit a serious issue with
people who uh, who are in those kinds of predicaments
and then they want you to you know, just Opel,
please forgive me.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I'm sorry that I did this. I mean, when did
you think stop to think five weeks later that oh,
maybe this is a mistake. But then even in your
even in her, in her, in her hate, you know,
she says, oh, I know I did it, but I
love you married very much and I love it with
all my heart. And you could just watch this guy.
I mean, I couldn't even imagine what he's saying. And
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you know, and he said it would be too easy
for him to leave, and you know that's just awful.
Not Yeah, I couldn't have me. Have you ever been married? Check?
Mm would you want to be married?
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Eventually?
Speaker 6 (34:42):
Get myself together?
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I don't, right, and trust me, nine teens out of
ten you don't have You'll never have all your stuff
to get me before you go and do it, because
that is a huge that's the biggest commitment I ever
made in my life. And I'm I'm I'm really surprised
you still every day every day is like a birthday.
(35:06):
Every day with Hawaii and it, you know, I celebrate
and we laugh all the time, and honestly, and that's
what a lot of couples gonna do. They don't laugh together,
they don't dance anymore together, you know. And I always
said when I said, I get up, and he you know,
he said, som w was the last time you went
my dad danced? And they'll say yesterday, or you know,
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we could go or whatever. But there's always I can't
remember last time me and your mama dance. I mean,
children need to see that their parents are in healthy relationships.
They don't have to know all your business. They don't.
Soon they start knowing all your business. They're backtracking on
you know, they don't. Don't never tell them about your business.
But the fact that he's and he said, didn't he
say there were children in the home, So that's more
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than one a children? Just one baby a child? Because
I just said children, Now, how come they take one
of the child and then the children? Okay, I got it,
I got it. So that means that there's at least
one other person I'm one other child in that in
that mix. And what does what do you say to
somebody like that? That's why I forgive or forgets was
(36:12):
as popular and continues to be as popular cause because
sometimes people just they want to be heard, and out
of all the things, they just wanted to be heard.
They just really wanted to get, you know, stuff out
of the system of the chest, you know, and that
was a safe place for them to come. But most
it was a safe place. Sometime it wasn't so safe.
Sometimes it just was not fun to do that show
(36:34):
because people were just so mean and bitters some of
them could be. And it's like life was too short.
Don't you want to just so you don't have to
carry that?
Speaker 5 (36:45):
I mean, could you imagine.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Carrying them waves like that for like years?
Speaker 6 (36:49):
Right?
Speaker 1 (36:52):
It bothers my really bogles my mind. Okay, so you
know what the deal is, I don't know me.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
I'm feel bad for him, I really do, because it's like,
I'm gonna do what I wanna do.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
Anyway, said what you're gonna do, but you ain't gonna
do nothing about it. But you wanna leave me. You
want me to leave. But she said their children involved. Okay,
let's see what she has to say. He has to say,
what's gonna be there?
Speaker 5 (37:18):
You welcome back? You aren't here with karm Brown. He
raised to find out of her husband.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Will forgive her today for.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Not telling him the truth about her affair, bad enough
that she had an affair, but then he didn't tell
him the whole truth about the affair. I think didn't
know that. He said that you you wouldn't gonna work
with Gordon if that's what he wants to do. But
if he's not, you're willing to understand and let your
feelings for the other person go a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
People that he knew, because you really want him to
come through that door.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
I mean, think about what I'm asking for. You really
want him to come to that doing forgive you because
you made a very extrange comment he said when he
told him about the other man. You just what they
wanted him to just pull you out of the house.
If you just want him to throw away the moon
and then you don't really have to take full responsibility.
That would be the only reason why I'd want him
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not to walk through the door, because it I got
him being soft rest the way I feel a team
that I didn't know I put him through. It would
be more for him. But in my heart, I want
christ Mugs to work. I want more than.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Anything for my husband to to just make for us,
cause you get up and go to the US and
let's see if you figure.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Or not see.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
All I share a brown Let's open the door.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, so the mesup.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Let's I mean the course I have to do test
of that on TV. I I feel really suble in
r that they felt safe with us.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Did you say, Uh, I'm just I was just like
that was the safe place for people to be, you know,
and to be able to get that weight off of them.
Speaker 5 (39:08):
You know that I have to.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
I mean, it's it's bad enough you do it, and
then it's bad enough that you carry it and you
tell him a lie every day.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Every day.
Speaker 5 (39:19):
All I gain tell him what you wanted to know
I've done, Uh, pretty honest. Forget about everything that's gonna
he's knowing about the other person.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
I I was honest forge about that.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
But the the only that I have for him, I'm
stronger than what I like to a boy. And the
other parts is that, uh you I say, specifactally not
do and stuff for him, And I die night that
that as well. I wanted to do what I'll let
(40:00):
X whatever ex whatever you need me to do, whatever
I can do to to to not necessarily make us
up to you, but cause I know I can't. There's
a lot of pain that was reflected and I know
that and I'm truly truly sorry for that. But whatever
it is that I have to do that to make
us work, If that's something you want to do with me,
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I don't do it anything. I won't do anything to
make this work.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
I don't want you to do what you too it.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
If you do all, I wanna do.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
That.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
What do you make on knowledge work?
Speaker 1 (40:35):
I don't want to to do or.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
I want you you too be very much gorgeous? Oh yeah?
Do you do you really believe her? I mean, do
you wi? Do you really want to work on your marriage?
Speaker 3 (40:56):
He's just a really strange thing and she he's she
violated a trunk.
Speaker 11 (41:05):
Yes, ye.
Speaker 5 (41:06):
And you seem like cause it seems to me you
are so hurt and it seems like you're more disappointed
than anything.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
I'm disappointed in her.
Speaker 11 (41:18):
I'm kind I'm kind of disappointed in myself for going
to a lot of this with Winders Hunt.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
You there, you did you not want to see it?
Did you just kind of feel it and you just
didn't wanna see it? Because you love her?
Speaker 1 (41:28):
So I kN I knew there were problems, but I didn't.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
Think there were problems like that's worth going f worth
her going this far for us exactly.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
We all have.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Problems in our relationships them. Sometimes communication breaks down.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
Here, what are you really willing to do?
Speaker 3 (41:46):
Don't care? And you see if anything that could any compass.
Speaker 5 (41:49):
You know, if you said, well, can I just want
you to go jump into the Hutson River, I would
jump into the Hutton River. Now you're not being real
with I had it. That's now. He doesn't seem like
he did be the kind of and that would even.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Come up with something like that, And he's not hit.
HiT's not that kind of person.
Speaker 5 (42:06):
If that means not being funds with him at all? Uh,
that's foot all, Den, That's that means you know you yeah,
his words and that's what I'm going to them.
Speaker 11 (42:18):
Do you know?
Speaker 5 (42:20):
It just seem like you just kind of want this
to be just a little too easy, like you're trying
to dump this in his laugh. You know, this is
a big thing that you're you're asking of him, And personally,
I thought you were one hell of a man to
walk through that door. I'll really do it.
Speaker 11 (42:41):
Just yet turn up obviously it seems like there's a
sexual problem in the marriage that's going on because you
did have a sexual relationship with the other song and
it seems like.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
You have to get that straighten out between these two
cause you're.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Gonna do it again.
Speaker 6 (42:55):
You're gonna meet somebody else. It's gonna really get you
get sex, and you're gonna do it again to the
poor guy he cause he's really do man, you know,
did he deserve that? You should crash them?
Speaker 5 (43:03):
What else? Yeah, I actually have a question from her.
Speaker 7 (43:08):
Is the guy that you were teating with did he
know that you actually married?
Speaker 5 (43:10):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (43:10):
Today, and I see you for anything usually just for
the kids takes you should try and you know, work
their jobs is at least for the kids, that's anything.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
I told Gordon that if I wanted to stay married
to him, I was going to stay married to him
because I loved him, not because of the children.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I don't want to tell him what they're doing their pars.
Speaker 7 (43:26):
I know people go into similar situations, and I feel like,
you know, the kids, when the kids grow up through
something like this, they don't realize, you know, what exactly
is going on could hurt them and affect them as
they grow up.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
And then the women. But let me tell you, when
people stayed married for the sake of the children, those
children grow up and realize that their parents marriage was
a whole lot which one is?
Speaker 1 (43:44):
What?
Speaker 11 (43:44):
What?
Speaker 5 (43:44):
What's worse growing up knowing that the parents hold relationship
with a lot or that they kind of to lose
and they had enough something to say, this is not working.
My parents said that for twenty six years they stayed
together because of us children and they can't even stand
to be in the same room as they. You don't
want to work on this, work on this. You both
have taken a very big step. You guys have got
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to work on this.
Speaker 3 (44:07):
And thank you so much for sharing your story with us,
thinking to joining us today.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
We'll be right. Oh, people just can be.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
Bee.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
I don't know. That would be a hard thing to
try to. It's one thing to forgive or forget. It's
another thing trusting. And when that trust is broken, when
it's been violated, when you can't sit down and have
a conversation with your life partner, those are serious issues.
You know, there is something so that uh, don't go
(44:42):
to bed, don't go to bed angry with each other,
you know, and their time limited. There have been times,
don't get me wrong, when we would be up to
the sun came up and then we would be so
tired at work because we were so angry, and then
we just I say this, we can't stay mad at
each other long. You know, let's take too much interview.
(45:02):
That's much work. And I'm gonna say what I'm gonna say.
You're gonna say what you're gonna say. You know, we're
not in this. And there is a such thing as
fai fighting. And you just have to learn what that
balance is. And you got to know in the from
the beginning how important your friendship is. You know, your friendship,
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your merid will fall apart. I told my husband and
this all the time. I don't think if you want
to leave me, I'm good with that. But if you
didn't want to be my friends, that would that would
just crush me. And not what she that's our glue
that we stay together like that keeps us together because
we are friends. And when you think about it, we
are more tolerant of our friends, of our chicks than
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our guys than we are of my mates. We expect
that makes to be perfect. When you head walking in
the doors. If you want somebody perfect, I want to
fix him. I want to make her be the woman
that I want her to be. Similarly, some of the
stupidest things that people say to each other in a relationship. Okay,
this on the way out, I mean episode to eat
(46:07):
up birth, the dingy teaving. He's beating on his girlfriend.
She won't out way and mining she's just gonna wear
a man into her coat out school. Ooh, okay, oh yeah,
we gotta get anohing because that was that's gonna be.
That's gonna be some bad juju. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (46:31):
People always say, see people the way youth like to
be treated well. Our next guess is when she was
growing up, she must have missed that lesson she.
Speaker 3 (46:41):
Had missed, he told a minute one of her classmates.
Speaker 5 (46:43):
In high school, he teached her about everything, her height,
her glasses, her hair, and for you didn't have to graduation.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
He says.
Speaker 5 (46:51):
She felt terrible about what she did. Because he's here
today to apologize. Please said hello, I too, lay till coons.
I glad too. I he drown on her self and
has just started every day.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
The one thing he did and was that we was born.
He was not born.
Speaker 5 (47:10):
You know we So this was one of your friends
in high school, miss child, Well suce that one of
your friends but in the creek was in high school?
How awful were you to this girl? I was pretty
meet her.
Speaker 8 (47:21):
We took we had a class together after after the
fourth period, and we'd leave for half the day and
go to a hospital vound here and the bus rides
ay her bus side pretty tormentous.
Speaker 5 (47:36):
I would I would make fun of her hair.
Speaker 8 (47:38):
I would make fun of her glasses, cause had these
kind of thick coat bottle glasses.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
I'd make fun of her height.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
She wasn't sun cause you only sure people would glass
was going to school.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
But first of.
Speaker 6 (47:49):
All, I used to drive a school bug.
Speaker 5 (47:52):
Well my mother shortan has glasses, so I have no
room to talk.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Oh and.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
So I was.
Speaker 5 (47:57):
I was mean to this girl. I feel like the
friend of mine.
Speaker 8 (48:00):
And she wrote him a letter and I went and
I read this letter to everybody on the school bus.
You know, I was like the year so and so
I loved him so much, and you know I.
Speaker 5 (48:09):
Just went, Yeah, I did. And I would just make
fun of her.
Speaker 8 (48:16):
She had a book bag and I couldn't remember paying
her book bag and throwing it on the floor and
she would feel like to sit behind me bus driver
and I would sit there sometimes he uh, you know,
people just to agitate.
Speaker 5 (48:27):
Her to get her going.
Speaker 12 (48:30):
And while I was fifteen, I got present and I
had my son at sixteen, and.
Speaker 5 (48:35):
So you know, I was now I didn't have any
room to talk.
Speaker 12 (48:39):
And I was a junior and she was a senior.
Speaker 8 (48:43):
While we were on this bus life and at one
point we held elections on on the bus or for
the people that that went on this program, and she
wanted to be.
Speaker 5 (48:53):
The president of this organization that we had.
Speaker 8 (48:55):
And because I knew that she wanted to to hold
the presidency, I ran against her.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
No that I would win, and I did, you know,
just to be mean or a little east. I know,
I know, and you know I'm not a mean person,
but I was you to this girl.
Speaker 8 (49:10):
And then after I graduated, I went on to college,
and then you know, I became a small office in
this big pond, and I started feeling really.
Speaker 5 (49:19):
Bad about what I had done. And I I had
looked for her.
Speaker 8 (49:22):
I asked old friends, I looked for on the internet.
I looked for her through phone books, you know, and
all my boys in college that I looked for her.
And I graduated from college and moved up here, and
my son started first grade up here, and he came
home one day he was really upset because somebody had
make you know, had been making fun of him, and
so I, uh, you know, I I.
Speaker 5 (49:44):
Didn't know what to tell him, myself so bad.
Speaker 8 (49:46):
All I could do was listen and you know, and
then it made me think about her, and and that's
with her, cause I know what it was like.
Speaker 5 (49:52):
To be made fun of. I mean, everybody's been made
fun of at some point in their life. You were
made for well, I said, somebody was O and so
and so. Then I started thinking about her mom and
how her mam.
Speaker 8 (50:04):
Must out when she would come home after school and
be upset because some girl on the school bus was
making fun of her, and so would make So you've
had a change of heart about the cold saying like
you say that you treateably still the way that you treated.
Speaker 3 (50:18):
With Shield has affected the way that you raise your
own son.
Speaker 5 (50:22):
Yeah, I have two little boys. My my oldest son
is you know, of able to go to school and
and stuff, and.
Speaker 8 (50:28):
And so I tell him about what I had done
and how bad I feel and I I can tell
him on both sides, cause, like I said, I know
what it's like to you make fun of and I
also know what it's like to make fun of other people.
And so I tell 'em, you know, not to make
fun of anyone, and if somebody makes fun of you, it's.
Speaker 5 (50:43):
You know, just wouldn't let a long.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
Let's take a look at what good baby Andrew had
to say about this.
Speaker 12 (50:49):
I know what it feels like to be dank old
what so I tried to am and he waved like
no matter what he feels to say. That's what my
mama's caught me. I little kan but man, they may
be here.
Speaker 1 (51:05):
Out of the mouth of other day.
Speaker 5 (51:07):
Well, we got together with Waitechel to help up a
pair a message on videotape for her former class plate Michelle.
Let's take a look at that message as we miss
see Michelle watching it for the first time. Don't it'sen
Rachel remember me? I actually I hope you forgot about
me and what I did feel.
Speaker 8 (51:25):
I wanted to apologize for making of us write in
high school Wars or Extinct.
Speaker 3 (51:29):
I'm so scited to come in and pulling on your
book back and.
Speaker 5 (51:32):
Making fun of their pants. Who might he said, they
have the mother.
Speaker 8 (51:36):
Of a stick child boy, and I wanna set a
good example for him and not having make the same
mistake science making fun of other kids. I'm tired for
what I did to you, and I truly hope I'm
played it today and I SMA tight seth experience.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
I hope that you can forgive me. Make sure you
understand it up to Michelle if she wants to forgive you.
We're gonna take a little break and when we come back,
we'll find out if we said to do that or not.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Bully got right up to that, and it goes on today, bullying,
and it's even worse now. I mean, it's horrible the
way that they bully these kids on the internet. And
I mean we had a we had a baffer, and
there was always you know, and when you're in school,
it's almost kind of like a hierarchy as it were,
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you know, because you got with your click, you got
with this clique. You know, these are your friends or whatever.
And I didn't want to belong to none of the
cliques because I thought they were all kind of chilly,
you know. I mean, you know, teenagers, you know, we
think we're invincible and we I told you this time,
I thought I could fly off off the roof of
our apartment. My mother didn't even care about it. I
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could have jumped off and broke my neck, broke my
neck or something like that. He said, Oh no, you
did not check my good chief off my bed and think.
Speaker 5 (52:53):
You could like the super Girl.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
It's do insane, it's nice. Oh but I thought I
could fly, and you don't think that it's gonna hurt
other people. I remember watching these three ticks that we were.
We went to elementary school all the way up to
high school, and they just do the people all the
way down the line all the dang fool with me
and don't let me hear you gods have been about somebody,
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because I'd be the first one to say what you
said about Gail a few minutes ago in the bathroom
and they're like, oh God, I don't tell her nothing.
He gonna tell, Well, why you gotta talk behind your back?
You got something you gotta be with me? Tell me
tell my face, just tell me to my faith. I'm
not a fighter. I'm not into that car. And I
would never I would have never been a fair fighter.
You know, I'd have picked up a brick or stuff
(53:36):
that's go up in there on. Just let me stay
over here, my we happy silly world right over here,
because people don't understand. You think it's getting movie by
your parents and your brothers and sisters and the people
at school, and then you just need somebody to hear
what you're saying. That's the really what it is. And
people that bullied, they always say hurting people, hurt people,
(53:56):
and he knew what that was like, and it's like, okay,
so I just to me, and okay, I can do
to somebody else and that'll be okay. Let's see how
okay Michelle was after she heard this door.
Speaker 5 (54:10):
Welcome back when it was Rachel calls he's ready to find.
Speaker 3 (54:13):
Out if a grocy teeth back in high.
Speaker 5 (54:15):
School has decided to come here to forgive her.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
Rachel, you know it's up to your form a class late.
I don't want to say preaking for.
Speaker 5 (54:23):
My classmate, Michelle, if she's ready to forgive you, if
she's standing on the other side of that door.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
But if she's not there, that means it may be.
Speaker 5 (54:30):
You just hurt her too much and she's just not
gonna let you off the hook, said he just are
you ready to find out?
Speaker 3 (54:36):
Okay, go take your place in front of the door.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Even we say that's the longest length day of the TB.
Speaker 5 (54:44):
All right, Rachel, let's open the door because tell would
you wanna say where?
Speaker 8 (55:04):
He told, Oh, I don't gay, I was hoping you
get in forgive them, but I didn't know you ready.
And I just really want to apologize. First high school
I didn't really do.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
I am so sorry.
Speaker 5 (55:15):
I mean I have but I have two boys now.
Speaker 6 (55:17):
I hope that they don't have to go through what
I put east to in high school.
Speaker 12 (55:22):
Or I'm wanting forgive you, and I want to know
that you it's it's not it's right to be teasing
anybody and to hunt anything. I need to teaching, you
need you don't want your teach Uh. Let me let
the person know why you're tiving them that way, because
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it does hurt a lot.
Speaker 1 (55:46):
M I am.
Speaker 5 (55:50):
You know there's a little more to there's a lot
more to this story, because it seems like to me,
it's just like Michael said, when people are teasing somebody
because they look yeah for they never stopped once to
ever ask well, Why am I teasing her? You know
you tease you about her height? Did you ever wonder
how comes she's a small person. I like to bring
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someone into this. Dick is mister Daniel Sullivan. He's Missal's dad.
N times it was for you. She said, her son
came home crying about people teasing her son. How was
it when your baby came home?
Speaker 3 (56:25):
Because in your baby they always teased.
Speaker 7 (56:27):
Then, well, I believe it was a little more devastating
than that because a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 6 (56:33):
A lot of schools can show her to overcome their life.
Speaker 7 (56:37):
Back in nineteenth seventy ninety, she was diagnosed with leukemia
and she went the Red here to for about a
year from June nineteen eighty when she had to relapse.
Speaker 3 (56:48):
She was then given sixth to ninety maybe four months
to live.
Speaker 6 (56:52):
And we had to make the decision.
Speaker 3 (56:55):
So her brother.
Speaker 7 (56:57):
Volunteered to give her a huge bow marrow. Current went
out to the UCLA Medical Center. They performed the bow
mary transplant. She stayed there for about three months, came home,
and for about another nine ninety ten months she was
as a home bowl student with a advisors to the
clinics went through a lot to where the doctor and
(57:19):
had to come to the house.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
A lot of the physical.
Speaker 7 (57:22):
Attributes such as her her heights, the wearing of the
glasses and so forth a direct result of the therapy.
She had to have chemo therapy and radiation from la
UH to overcome the Latina UH. Like I said, if
her brother volunteered in goodness and this UH year in August,
(57:43):
it's gonna be eighteen years that she was a survivor.
Speaker 5 (57:59):
There had also, like.
Speaker 7 (58:01):
Rachel, from one parent to another, you can't judge your
book by its cover. You need to find out the
reason because what's in the heart can be better than
physical as you and I just bo just helps you,
you your family in a better way of the future.
Speaker 5 (58:20):
What can I just say thing He raised the champions
because nobody knew. If you had to know that this
is what this child had been going through, been so
cool to her now. He never once stopped to ask why.
All you saw was a difference. And that's when a
lot of us see we just see a difference, and
(58:41):
we think that gives a cart blodge to win till
there's six right next to you champions.
Speaker 7 (58:53):
In her life, there was only one real friend that
she had that would stand by her and told her father,
do your fine in the military. And after that she's
only had basically one or two good friends that would
really stare by her and take us to the side
the hunt.
Speaker 12 (59:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (59:13):
Can I save this to you no way, because you
did one heck.
Speaker 3 (59:16):
Of result it today, because you.
Speaker 5 (59:18):
Know there are a lot of bullies. Even if I
told you I drove.
Speaker 3 (59:20):
The bus, I drove a lot of kids around like you.
Speaker 5 (59:24):
What you did was you.
Speaker 3 (59:25):
Came forward and put yourself on the line to take
responsibility for what you did.
Speaker 5 (59:30):
I hope the kids to tea that that ride the bus.
The people who really kill are the human beings. I
hope they're able to set up for the chase if
you should have stopped a whole lot of stuff, because
we don't know just how many little champions and little
white life that we had. And the little Michelle said, Darling,
(59:50):
thank you very much. Say that's a whole woman girl.
Speaker 1 (59:53):
I'll tell you that.
Speaker 5 (59:55):
I thank you, Michelle, Thank you, Rachel, thank you both
for tearing your story.
Speaker 1 (59:58):
Thank you, Daniel me right back and see I was
I was doing real good without the tissue. I was
doing real goods. Thank you, baby.
Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
That's that's, that's that's can't tell you how I didn't
even see I didn't even I just picked the episode
out of a.
Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
Random That is so perfect for what we're going through today,
isn't it. I mean right there, look right there, And
it's not just kids doing doing that. Don't do that too, oh,
and don't have a little bit of power. Don't have
but a little bit of power. And I'm just gonna
throw it up in your face every chance I get.
(01:00:37):
That's why the tongue is mightier than the sword and forgiveness,
it's mightier than all of it. You don't have to
forget it, learn from it, grow from it. And we
thought that ship was gonna be next week. We all
off the kilter right now.
Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
I love you and enjoy the rest of your weekend.
Thank you, baby, Thank you everybody so chiming in and
watching us and listening to the craziness that it is
still going on. And your mother loves here. Remember no
matter how big of tall, surely small thick of thing
matters now what's in you're in. Everybody needs some mother
love now and then peace, stable peace, and blessings everybody
(01:01:12):
be safe, be well. That's all we gotta say. All right, well,
bel
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