November 1, 2024 • 23 mins
I had an amazing conversation with my girl Teedra Moses, celebrating 20 years of her debut album Complex Simplicity. Enjoy! xo
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Mother and No Show and Baby, when
I tell you, I am excited, woo, I got my
girl in the studio. Grammy Award winning songwriter and singer
Tdra Moses, most notably known for her critically acclaimed debut
album one of my faves, Complex Simplicity. She's celebrating twenty years.
(00:25):
We're familiar with the album. We know about that backstrow,
we know about Take Me, and we also know about
You'll Never Find Another Girl?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What Tdre Moses, what's up? Tra Alis? Well, baby, Olizwell,
I'm blessed, Tdra.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
You are celebrating your debut album, Complex Simplicity, which is
an R and B classic, and you're on the road
to promote and celebrate. You gotta be excited.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I am very, very excited, and I feel very grateful.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Can you believe it's been twenty years?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
It went by so quick? You know, I really can't.
You know, It's all just been kind of quick to me.
You know, I just had my head down hustling, so
I just didn't really think about it becoming twenty years.
And I looked up and it was twenty years. Someone said,
are you gonna celebrate twenty years? I was like, what,
it's twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Years and we started to celebrate.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
How has the journey been.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
It's been beautiful, you know, it's been this is these
twenty years have been the most pivotal twenty years of
my life, you know. So it's been wonderful. It's been hard,
it's been grueling, it's been a life, it's been lessons.
But in the end, you know, it started off one
way and it ends with me in a victorious place.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So I can't complain.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
You know, a man, what is one thing that makes
you proudest from your debut album?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
What makes me proudest? Okay, it's two things.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I'll speak from an artist, I mean a an art perspective,
and I'll speak from a just a person's perspective. I'm
proud of being your girl. That song has still to
test the time. You know. I love artists like Frankie
Beverly and Mays that make this kind of music that
you can listen to forever. And I think I accomplished
that with Be a Girl without even trying, and I
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think it's probably one of the most remixed R and
B songs ever. You know, I saw that what was it?
I forget what magazine they did twenty years. I mean,
they did the top R and B songs of all time,
and they didn't.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Put it in there.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And I think they were drastically wrong, because I think
if it was remix as many times as it is,
it has to be one of the best R and
B songs of all times. And that's just my opinion.
I could be biased from an artist perspective. Just how
people continue to receive this album. It's new to some
people still, you know, And I didn't intend that. I
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didn't intend to make timeless music, but I'm now aware
that I did, and I feel very proud.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Of that this album. When I say it's a classic,
it's timeless. When you started recording d you go in
the studio saying to yourself, this is going to be
a timeless motherfucker album.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
No, I didn't like most of it, but you didn't like,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I just thought it was just like you know, First
of all, you have to understand, my energy at the
time was very hip hop, so I just wanted to
do more towards hip hop. But shout out to Paul
Paul what the song that I heard that made me
understand that I wanted a certain kind of sound.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Was Rocked the Boat by a Leah.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Rocked the Boat by Aliyah had just come out when
I started making my album, and I said, you know what,
this song kind of embodies what I want to do.
The first song we did on the album was caught
Up and it had that feeling, and so I said, Okay,
that's that's the direction we can go in. But at
the same time, we're going into this direction. It's feeling
very soft compared to my personality, which was cool because
I was so hard at the time. When you soften
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the music and you put those lyrics that are a
little bit harder, but I'm singing them softly, it was
it was a good combination to make something that was
complex and simple at the same time. So, you know,
I didn't I didn't think it was as great as
I can look back and feel like, Okay, I don't
know if I needed people's validation to know it was good.
It's just it wasn't what I intended to do when
I first set out to make music. But in retrospect,
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Paul Paul gave me a sound that I love and
I continue to make to this day.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
What was your biggest fear when recording this album.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I guess uh, I can't even think of a fear.
I just didn't like going to the studio. I just
I like to write songs because you know, I elevate
my mind and I, you know, pour out what's coming,
you know, when I'm writing, so that that process is
really fun. The process of recording is okay, that's that's
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not it. Okay, sing it again, okay. You know, so
it's not as fun as people think it is, especially
when I was first starting. Now I know more how
to vocal produce myself. But when I first started, it's like, Okay,
you're singing and year and the vibe and like, oh no,
stop doing that again, and it's like one line you're
singing over over and over and over.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I didn't like it. I didn't like that.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I didn't have any fear of anything more so than that,
I just didn't like that process. But I thank God
for that process because it taught me a great ear.
It gave me an ear to know when I'm off,
when I'm on, when I need to sing it with
more expression.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
You know. It taught me how to vocal produce myself.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
What is your favorite song from yourself title debut album,
Complex Simplicity.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
So probably my favorite overall song would be I Think
of You, Shirley song song to my mom and my
sons and my sisters and brothers. It's just probably the
most honest song. But to perform, my favorite song is Backstroke.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
We all love Backstroke. It's something about that song TDRA
that just makes me go wild.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Me too, chat you know I reminisced.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
You know what I mean, absolutely absolutely, and there's nothing
wrong reminiscing. You have written and produced so much solo
and with other artists. Can you discuss your top three
experiences over the years.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Working with Rafael Cidec was pretty cool. At the time,
I was a young artist that wasn't very sure of myself.
Because what people don't know is the very first song
I ever wrote, record and arranged fully was on my
first album.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
So it's not like I grew up in the church
singing or I used to do jam sessions. I didn't
do all of that.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I just walked in the studio one day and started,
you know, writing a song. So I was an artist
that wasn't very experienced, and I think that working with
someone that was as experienced as as Raphael Sadeacon.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Him trusting me was pretty cool. I think that.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
One of my favorite experiences the first time I heard
people actually singing my records. You know, you go out
on tour when you first start and sometimes there's two
people out there, three people, and as the tour goes on,
you know, it starts to grow. I remember my first
tour and by the time I got to Baltimore, everybody
was singing every single word of every single song, and
that was just an amazing experience. And then my music
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taking me to other countries, you know, learning that it
wasn't just in America that people knew my music. Actually
I was far more popular in other countries than I
was in America, and that.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Was just great.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
It's just great to see how this little girl from
New Orleans had permeated the world, you know, And I
think it gave me a lot of confidence, not just
as an artist, but as a person, to understand that
I have I can travel anywhere and do what I'm
doing because what I'm doing is universal, and I think
those are props my best experiences.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Now I've seen some videos and you get down groove,
I mean, I mean, I mean tej you be in
your world, you be jamming and grooving, and then that
left I'd be shaken. I said, Oh, Moses, what songs
do you love to perform live?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
TDR like I said, my Well, my favorite is Backstroke
because it's just I don't care if I'm with a
house band whoever, they always get that one right. I
think my second favorite is take Me, because I do
that with my my brother j Black live on stage
and we've been doing it for twenty years now, so
we just locked in. And then the third one would
probably be be Your Girl, and not because that's my
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favorite song, was because that's what the people want.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So I really enjoy singing.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I like, like I say all the time, excuse me,
like I say all the time.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You know, I make music for myself.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I perform music for people, so I'm not thinking about
the audience when I'm making the music, but by the
time I'm performing it, I'm thinking about the audience and
what they want.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
When did you first discover your gift of songwriting?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Oh, you know, I was really young, probably like in
high school.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I would write over Prince Prince Records.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
There's a Dorothy Parker is a record from Prince that
I would just kind of loop loop a piece of
it and just start writing records or yeah, I think
up somewhere around high school, because I wrote poetry first.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I was a little depressed emo kid, like one of
the emotional kids, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
So I always write, write, and my mother gave us
these books journals to write, me and my sister, my
younger sister, to write in. And I think that's how
it started, you know, just kind of being an emo
person that got to kind of get these feelings out,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
And I would write over Prince tracks.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
What do you believe is the key to maintain longevity
in a career that is constantly evolving.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Tidre understand who you are.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You need to understand who you are and don't waver
on that, because I feel like if you're true to yourself,
someone else is having the same experiences you're having.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Someone else can relate to that. I think instead of trying.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
To become what people want, be who you are and
find the people that fuck with what you do.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I know that's right. And if you could speak to
twenty year oldti Form Moses, what advice would you give her.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Enjoy all of this.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Enjoy having kids young, you know, Enjoy the closeness that
your mom dying when you were young brought you and
your sisters and brother. Enjoy this journey of that may
be a struggle, but learning to be an independent artist
when it wasn't cool. Enjoy all these experiences because you
a badass bitch girl. You just don't know it yet.
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Just keep on going.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
What has been your favorite part of your legacy?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
In my opinion, my favorite part of my legacy is
my children. They are a part of a group called
Coast Contra that is a rap group that's doing really,
really well. And I sometimes felt a little bit guilty
for the struggles that we used to have for me
following my dreams, and I thought that maybe they might
resent me for it. But in the end, they appreciated
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seeing their mother diligently follow her dreams because now they're
doing it, they know how it goes, they know how
to get out here and hustle for what they believe in.
So I think my greatest part of my legacy is
my children. Razonta J.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Austin And what do you want your legacy to be?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I want my legacy to be one that anybody that
came across either my music or me, felt safe enough
to be themselves with me with my music. I have
a lot of different kind of people that like my music,
and I saw I want my legacy to be one
where you were safe.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
In my show. You know, in my presence, you were
always safe to be yourself.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
What are your thoughts on urban music right now as
a whole.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I think it shouldn't be called urban. I think it
should just be called musical. To me, yeah, I think
that I think urban music as a whole should not
be put in boxes. I think that they started that
long time ago calling our music black music when we
started music, so it should just be music. Maybe it
should be other music called other music when it's not us,
because we are music. Music started with us, and so
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I don't subscribe to urban music. I think that what
I do love is that we're starting to see a
little bit more diversity, even though it's trying to be
put in boxes. The diversity is there in this so
called urban music because we know that just means black.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I always tell people your pen game is sick. Thank you,
you wrote a lot of songs. Tea Dred and I
want you to talk about how owning the publishing for
Christina millions dipping long. Yeah, baby, y'all, I don't know
that's teed draw. Yeah, it saved you from homelessness.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
It sure did. It sure did talk about that.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You know. I was I had to leave to go
on tours, the Signs Gen tour, I think it was
with myself and Tweet and Selo, and I had to
leave my kids with their grandmother. And I didn't even
have anywhere to stay when I left to go on
that tour. I came back to nowhere to live. I've
never been lived on a street or anything. I was
living with my sister or whoever I could live with
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at the time, but I did not have a place
to live. And I remember just crying out to God,
like what do you want me to do? Like really
going at God, like we were about to fight, like
we was about to be windmilling, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But what it was maybe about.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I remember that was like December, I meanbe I came
home like late November, December something like that. But by
January I had a three hundred and something thousand dollars
check because I owned my publishing and my children's father
didn't do a lot to help me with those children,
but he did tell me, don't sell your publishing. And
my publishing has saved me every time. I mean that
three hundred thousand was coming every three months. And this
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wasn't tons of records I had written at the time.
You know, I was very selective about who I worked
with because I was very shy and I like to
do it my way. And this was basically whatever I
had worked on for myself and a couple of other artists,
and this record dip it low and it definitely saved
me from homelessness, and it changed my whole lifestyle. I
was able to buy a house and you know, get
a place in Los Angeles and in Miami.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
You know, my lifestyle changed a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
How did you meet Christina Milian.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I never met her. I met her before but after
the record. But before that I had met her. I
was working with Paul Pauli, who I did my album with,
and Paul Paulie and I had finished my album. We
just keep making records. People always ask me, you know,
how do you write records? How do you go about
writing records for other people? I've never written a record
for someone else in my life. I've always written records
for myself and people just take them. It's like if
you have an outfit on it, somebody said, oh, that
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looks good. That would look good on me. That's kind
of how my songwriting came about.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So take me through the creative process of Mary J. Blige.
So Lady another song that I love it in Gem
by the Way.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
That was raph Fail Sadik, who I was working with
for my album, and we just started to work on
records and he said, I'm working with Mary J. Blige,
and he came up with the Lady the Sole Lady hook,
and then I just kind of went in and came
in on the verses. You know, it was very simple,
you know what. I will take the tract that I've
never written a record for someone that was particularly written
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for Mary, which I would. That's that's what I should
have done it, because that's Mary J. Damn blocks, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
So I got into the motive.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
He wanted to write a song that was soft for her,
you know what I mean, And at the time I
was not soft, So I had to get into a
soft mode for that.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Record, and you definitely got into that mode. And I
know you're going to be getting into all type of
modes tonight. But before we get to tonight that city Winery,
I want you to talk about your time with Rick Ross,
because when I tell you I was rooting, I had
my flag in the sky, I was like teachers down
with Rick Ross. Oh shit, we moving now in these streets.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yes, indeed, you know, Ross came to me. I lived
in Miami at the time. I moved there, probably like
maybe two years something like that, maybe not even that long,
maybe a year, and he hit me on Twitter one
time and was like, Yo, I heard you here in Miami.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I would love to meet with you.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
This is when he was starting Mayback Music and he
had Meek Mill on the hook, he had La and
they were all like getting ready to sign they deals
and stuff like that, and so he called me over
to come to his house, who was like twenty minutes
away from me, and I went to hang out and
it was a cool vibe and he was like, start
telling people you on Mayback music. Put it in your bio,
you know what. Maybe I was like, okay, cool. We
never got around to signing a deal, but I just
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collaborated with him. You know, we just collaborated. And I'll
say this. You know people always.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Say, teacher, you should have gotten more from this.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
That and the third Listen, I got everything. Don't cry
for me, Argentina. I've gotten everything I'm supposed to get.
Rick Ross was the first person I ever heard say
my name on MTV. You know, Rick Ross brought so
much attention to me, and you have to understand, I
own myself.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I own myself. So for those that feel like, oh.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
This person didn't do right, that person didn't do you right, No no, no,
they did me fine because they brought attention to me
and what I own and can reap benefits off of
more than I could do at the time. For myself,
we never signed a deal, but that was it. But
it was nothing like no bad business or nothing. It's
just I'm a businesswoman, so I like to own things
that people normally would give up for fame.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I want money, So it's just, you know, it's a
little different for me.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Switch and Lanes. We got to talk about that election,
which is right around the corner. Tdr Moses, what does
voter mean to you?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
For me, it's more about what my answer sisters went
through as a black person, as a woman. It's not
about for me as much the belief and candidates and
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You gotta choose one.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
You got to choose somebody and stick to that and
exercise your right to vote because as a black person,
we couldn't do that at a certain point. As a woman,
I couldn't do that at a certain point. And there
are people that fought in their whole you know, blad
blood for me to be able to vote. And once again,
if you want to complain about what's going on.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Let me say this too.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Stop waiting for being time for the president to be
nominated for you to vote, because that's the smallest part
of what's being done here. Who's the local people, who's
the da in your city? Like these people are very important.
I think that you need to look into if you
really have problems what's going on, you need to look
into all the different sectors that you should vote in
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and make a difference for your community and for yourself.
I think it's very very important, but more importantly for
people of color and women, because there was a point
when you could not do that.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Amen. And this is why I tell people all the time,
exercise your right to vote. Yes, use your voice, because
at one time we didn't have one. You had to
see what we had to go through. The vote no,
and anybody sitting at home paying the dust. Now we
can't move like that.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And I'll just say this as well.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
If you do not want someone to come in and
create a dictatorship in the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
You have to vote against that person.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I won't say no names, because I'm not one to
you know, push that, But if you pay attention to
these candidates and what candidates and what they're saying, I
hear a lot of people saying, well, I don't like
this person.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I don't like that person.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Either find the best one or your agenda, you know
what I mean, Find the best one, just don't not vote.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Would you say, is the biggest life lesson you've learned
in your career so far? Mestigo Moses, Stay the course.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Just stay the course. I think that's in anything state
of course. Don't pack up and turn around. No, stay
the course. I think endurance is the name of the game.
If you can just endure, you learn. There's no such
thing as failure. You just learn and you keep going
forward and you will win at some point. But don't
turn back. State of course. State of course. Some things
I think in this especially in our world now with
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social media media, everybody thinks things are instant.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
It takes time. Takes time.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
So stay the course, learn your lessons. Do not subscribe
to being a failure. Learn your lessons, move forward, state
of course, and you will get where you want to go.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Let's talk about tonight. Let's talk about the celebration twenty years,
Complex Simplicity. My goal will be a city want to
be tonight. What can we expect?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Oh, you can expect that energy, Philly already know how
I'm coming. You know you can expect that energy. And
like it really is a celebration. I'm only doing songs
from Complex Simplicity. And you know my mic is always on.
It's on, and there's nothing else on it but me.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You don't know, but you know what I'm saying. I say,
and we got live band with it. It's just very
very good energy. Like I'm a person that you come
into my living room. You're not really going to a show.
You just come into my house and I'm singing some
songs for you, and you know, we're gonna have some cocktails.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I'm gonna talk my shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
You know conversations, Well that's I've drink.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Tequila now we had but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
But but for this album, it's really just more so
about me expressing why I wrote some of these songs.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And you know, I never really took the time to
talk about that.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
It was a it was a darker time in my
life and I'm at twenty years later, I'm in so much.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's so much victory in my life.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
So I think that a lot of people that have
had this journey with me on these twenty years, they're
gonna enjoy it because they related to when I was broken,
so they must have had some brokenness in them. But
I was only writing songs about the victory I will
one day see and now I'm sitting in that victory.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So it's a real celebration at these shows.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
What's next for you?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Up next is new music.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
You know, we're gonna continue celebrating twenty years of complex
simplicity straight into the new year, because we have to
go over.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
She's and keep that going. And then it's just new music.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I have a project I'm working on I've been working
on for years called The Bullshit.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You know, my kids grew up and.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
They left the house, and it's like, okay now, because
I didn't date when my kids were younger. It was
too much for me to have business and children and
if a man wasn't coming to change my situation, then
it was just a distraction for me.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
So I put that to the side.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
And then when they left, I decided I was gonna date,
and I pulled some bullshit into myrow. And so I
wrote these songs during that time, and it's so many
of them because it takes me so long to like
get all the emotions out. I believe that art for me,
I have to live. I can't make an album just
songs that are sad. I can't make an album of
songs were just angry. And I can't make an album
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of songs that's just victorious. I have to get all
those songs out of me, I mean, all those experiences
out of me to make a project. So I have
a project coming called The Bullshit and it's three different EPs.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
The first one is the Bullshit that's the Yeah. The
first one is the bullshit knee deep.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
The second one is the bullshit undetected, and then the
third one is the bullshit fertilizer, because the knee deepest
when you all the way in that shit, and the
undetected one is like, it's your bullshit, though it's not
other people's bullshit, it's your bullshit. And then the fertilizer
is a certain amount of bullshit can help you grow,
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you know what I mean. And if you take the
lessons from what you go through, you you'll do better.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
So that's that's what's coming up.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Who you're listening to? Who's your favorite artist?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I love Anderson Pac, always have since he came out.
Who I'm listening to? H I like different people. I
love Doci right now, she's super super dope. I love
Victoria Monat's last project was really good, Lucky Days. I'm
a big fan of d Miles, so I love all
that he's doing. Yeah, I'm a playlist girl. Now, I'm
you know, I'm from old school, but I'm such a
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playlist girl. I always just put songs on playlists. Don't
know who's singing them songs, but I.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Love them and we love you. TJ. Moses. I just
want to say, from the bottom of my heart, thank you.
You've always supported me. You supported me when I was
doing a show for my bedroom with Newport one hundreds
and coffee. And look at us now, this is get
us a baby circle moment. We are sitting inside of
iHeart Studio hunty. Twenty something years later, you have a
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lot to celebrate. Thank you for your contributions to music,
not just R and B music. We love you, we
appreciate you. You are the real deal. And let people
know where they can follow you and keep up with
you and get it all up in your business.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Dr Yes, you can follow me on all the socials
at TJ Moses. You can always visit me at TJ
moses dot com because we got new.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Merge that twenty year anniversary merch. Get into it, baby,
TJ Moses.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Don't be a stranger. Let's don't do this shit another
ten years, all right? I love you for free, my friend,
give it up for tro Moses.
Welcome to the Mother and No Show and Baby, when
I tell you, I am excited, woo, I got my
girl in the studio. Grammy Award winning songwriter and singer
Tdra Moses, most notably known for her critically acclaimed debut
album one of my faves, Complex Simplicity. She's celebrating twenty years.
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We're familiar with the album. We know about that backstrow,
we know about Take Me, and we also know about
You'll Never Find Another Girl?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
What Tdre Moses, what's up? Tra Alis? Well, baby, Olizwell,
I'm blessed, Tdra.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
You are celebrating your debut album, Complex Simplicity, which is
an R and B classic, and you're on the road
to promote and celebrate. You gotta be excited.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I am very, very excited, and I feel very grateful.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Can you believe it's been twenty years?
Speaker 3 (01:03):
It went by so quick? You know, I really can't.
You know, It's all just been kind of quick to me.
You know, I just had my head down hustling, so
I just didn't really think about it becoming twenty years.
And I looked up and it was twenty years. Someone said,
are you gonna celebrate twenty years? I was like, what,
it's twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Years and we started to celebrate.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
How has the journey been.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
It's been beautiful, you know, it's been this is these
twenty years have been the most pivotal twenty years of
my life, you know. So it's been wonderful. It's been hard,
it's been grueling, it's been a life, it's been lessons.
But in the end, you know, it started off one
way and it ends with me in a victorious place.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So I can't complain.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
You know, a man, what is one thing that makes
you proudest from your debut album?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
What makes me proudest? Okay, it's two things.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I'll speak from an artist, I mean a an art perspective,
and I'll speak from a just a person's perspective. I'm
proud of being your girl. That song has still to
test the time. You know. I love artists like Frankie
Beverly and Mays that make this kind of music that
you can listen to forever. And I think I accomplished
that with Be a Girl without even trying, and I
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think it's probably one of the most remixed R and
B songs ever. You know, I saw that what was it?
I forget what magazine they did twenty years. I mean,
they did the top R and B songs of all time,
and they didn't.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Put it in there.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And I think they were drastically wrong, because I think
if it was remix as many times as it is,
it has to be one of the best R and
B songs of all times. And that's just my opinion.
I could be biased from an artist perspective. Just how
people continue to receive this album. It's new to some
people still, you know, And I didn't intend that. I
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didn't intend to make timeless music, but I'm now aware
that I did, and I feel very proud.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Of that this album. When I say it's a classic,
it's timeless. When you started recording d you go in
the studio saying to yourself, this is going to be
a timeless motherfucker album.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
No, I didn't like most of it, but you didn't like,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I just thought it was just like you know, First
of all, you have to understand, my energy at the
time was very hip hop, so I just wanted to
do more towards hip hop. But shout out to Paul
Paul what the song that I heard that made me
understand that I wanted a certain kind of sound.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Was Rocked the Boat by a Leah.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Rocked the Boat by Aliyah had just come out when
I started making my album, and I said, you know what,
this song kind of embodies what I want to do.
The first song we did on the album was caught
Up and it had that feeling, and so I said, Okay,
that's that's the direction we can go in. But at
the same time, we're going into this direction. It's feeling
very soft compared to my personality, which was cool because
I was so hard at the time. When you soften
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the music and you put those lyrics that are a
little bit harder, but I'm singing them softly, it was
it was a good combination to make something that was
complex and simple at the same time. So, you know,
I didn't I didn't think it was as great as
I can look back and feel like, Okay, I don't
know if I needed people's validation to know it was good.
It's just it wasn't what I intended to do when
I first set out to make music. But in retrospect,
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Paul Paul gave me a sound that I love and
I continue to make to this day.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
What was your biggest fear when recording this album.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
I guess uh, I can't even think of a fear.
I just didn't like going to the studio. I just
I like to write songs because you know, I elevate
my mind and I, you know, pour out what's coming,
you know, when I'm writing, so that that process is
really fun. The process of recording is okay, that's that's
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not it. Okay, sing it again, okay. You know, so
it's not as fun as people think it is, especially
when I was first starting. Now I know more how
to vocal produce myself. But when I first started, it's like, Okay,
you're singing and year and the vibe and like, oh no,
stop doing that again, and it's like one line you're
singing over over and over and over.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I didn't like it. I didn't like that.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
I didn't have any fear of anything more so than that,
I just didn't like that process. But I thank God
for that process because it taught me a great ear.
It gave me an ear to know when I'm off,
when I'm on, when I need to sing it with
more expression.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
You know. It taught me how to vocal produce myself.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
What is your favorite song from yourself title debut album,
Complex Simplicity.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
So probably my favorite overall song would be I Think
of You, Shirley song song to my mom and my
sons and my sisters and brothers. It's just probably the
most honest song. But to perform, my favorite song is Backstroke.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
We all love Backstroke. It's something about that song TDRA
that just makes me go wild.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Me too, chat you know I reminisced.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
You know what I mean, absolutely absolutely, and there's nothing
wrong reminiscing. You have written and produced so much solo
and with other artists. Can you discuss your top three
experiences over the years.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Working with Rafael Cidec was pretty cool. At the time,
I was a young artist that wasn't very sure of myself.
Because what people don't know is the very first song
I ever wrote, record and arranged fully was on my
first album.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
So it's not like I grew up in the church
singing or I used to do jam sessions. I didn't
do all of that.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I just walked in the studio one day and started,
you know, writing a song. So I was an artist
that wasn't very experienced, and I think that working with
someone that was as experienced as as Raphael Sadeacon.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Him trusting me was pretty cool. I think that.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
One of my favorite experiences the first time I heard
people actually singing my records. You know, you go out
on tour when you first start and sometimes there's two
people out there, three people, and as the tour goes on,
you know, it starts to grow. I remember my first
tour and by the time I got to Baltimore, everybody
was singing every single word of every single song, and
that was just an amazing experience. And then my music
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taking me to other countries, you know, learning that it
wasn't just in America that people knew my music. Actually
I was far more popular in other countries than I
was in America, and that.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Was just great.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
It's just great to see how this little girl from
New Orleans had permeated the world, you know, And I
think it gave me a lot of confidence, not just
as an artist, but as a person, to understand that
I have I can travel anywhere and do what I'm
doing because what I'm doing is universal, and I think
those are props my best experiences.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Now I've seen some videos and you get down groove,
I mean, I mean, I mean tej you be in
your world, you be jamming and grooving, and then that
left I'd be shaken. I said, Oh, Moses, what songs
do you love to perform live?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
TDR like I said, my Well, my favorite is Backstroke
because it's just I don't care if I'm with a
house band whoever, they always get that one right. I
think my second favorite is take Me, because I do
that with my my brother j Black live on stage
and we've been doing it for twenty years now, so
we just locked in. And then the third one would
probably be be Your Girl, and not because that's my
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favorite song, was because that's what the people want.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So I really enjoy singing.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I like, like I say all the time, excuse me,
like I say all the time.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You know, I make music for myself.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I perform music for people, so I'm not thinking about
the audience when I'm making the music, but by the
time I'm performing it, I'm thinking about the audience and
what they want.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
When did you first discover your gift of songwriting?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Oh, you know, I was really young, probably like in
high school.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I would write over Prince Prince Records.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
There's a Dorothy Parker is a record from Prince that
I would just kind of loop loop a piece of
it and just start writing records or yeah, I think
up somewhere around high school, because I wrote poetry first.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I was a little depressed emo kid, like one of
the emotional kids, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
So I always write, write, and my mother gave us
these books journals to write, me and my sister, my
younger sister, to write in. And I think that's how
it started, you know, just kind of being an emo
person that got to kind of get these feelings out,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
And I would write over Prince tracks.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
What do you believe is the key to maintain longevity
in a career that is constantly evolving.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Tidre understand who you are.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
You need to understand who you are and don't waver
on that, because I feel like if you're true to yourself,
someone else is having the same experiences you're having.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Someone else can relate to that. I think instead of trying.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
To become what people want, be who you are and
find the people that fuck with what you do.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I know that's right. And if you could speak to
twenty year oldti Form Moses, what advice would you give her.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Enjoy all of this.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Enjoy having kids young, you know, Enjoy the closeness that
your mom dying when you were young brought you and
your sisters and brother. Enjoy this journey of that may
be a struggle, but learning to be an independent artist
when it wasn't cool. Enjoy all these experiences because you
a badass bitch girl. You just don't know it yet.
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Just keep on going.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
What has been your favorite part of your legacy?
Speaker 3 (10:18):
In my opinion, my favorite part of my legacy is
my children. They are a part of a group called
Coast Contra that is a rap group that's doing really,
really well. And I sometimes felt a little bit guilty
for the struggles that we used to have for me
following my dreams, and I thought that maybe they might
resent me for it. But in the end, they appreciated
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seeing their mother diligently follow her dreams because now they're
doing it, they know how it goes, they know how
to get out here and hustle for what they believe in.
So I think my greatest part of my legacy is
my children. Razonta J.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Austin And what do you want your legacy to be?
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I want my legacy to be one that anybody that
came across either my music or me, felt safe enough
to be themselves with me with my music. I have
a lot of different kind of people that like my music,
and I saw I want my legacy to be one
where you were safe.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
In my show. You know, in my presence, you were
always safe to be yourself.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
What are your thoughts on urban music right now as
a whole.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I think it shouldn't be called urban. I think it
should just be called musical. To me, yeah, I think
that I think urban music as a whole should not
be put in boxes. I think that they started that
long time ago calling our music black music when we
started music, so it should just be music. Maybe it
should be other music called other music when it's not us,
because we are music. Music started with us, and so
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I don't subscribe to urban music. I think that what
I do love is that we're starting to see a
little bit more diversity, even though it's trying to be
put in boxes. The diversity is there in this so
called urban music because we know that just means black.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I always tell people your pen game is sick. Thank you,
you wrote a lot of songs. Tea Dred and I
want you to talk about how owning the publishing for
Christina millions dipping long. Yeah, baby, y'all, I don't know
that's teed draw. Yeah, it saved you from homelessness.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
It sure did. It sure did talk about that.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
You know. I was I had to leave to go
on tours, the Signs Gen tour, I think it was
with myself and Tweet and Selo, and I had to
leave my kids with their grandmother. And I didn't even
have anywhere to stay when I left to go on
that tour. I came back to nowhere to live. I've
never been lived on a street or anything. I was
living with my sister or whoever I could live with
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at the time, but I did not have a place
to live. And I remember just crying out to God,
like what do you want me to do? Like really
going at God, like we were about to fight, like
we was about to be windmilling, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
But what it was maybe about.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
I remember that was like December, I meanbe I came
home like late November, December something like that. But by
January I had a three hundred and something thousand dollars
check because I owned my publishing and my children's father
didn't do a lot to help me with those children,
but he did tell me, don't sell your publishing. And
my publishing has saved me every time. I mean that
three hundred thousand was coming every three months. And this
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wasn't tons of records I had written at the time.
You know, I was very selective about who I worked
with because I was very shy and I like to
do it my way. And this was basically whatever I
had worked on for myself and a couple of other artists,
and this record dip it low and it definitely saved
me from homelessness, and it changed my whole lifestyle. I
was able to buy a house and you know, get
a place in Los Angeles and in Miami.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
You know, my lifestyle changed a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
How did you meet Christina Milian.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I never met her. I met her before but after
the record. But before that I had met her. I
was working with Paul Pauli, who I did my album with,
and Paul Paulie and I had finished my album. We
just keep making records. People always ask me, you know,
how do you write records? How do you go about
writing records for other people? I've never written a record
for someone else in my life. I've always written records
for myself and people just take them. It's like if
you have an outfit on it, somebody said, oh, that
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looks good. That would look good on me. That's kind
of how my songwriting came about.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So take me through the creative process of Mary J. Blige.
So Lady another song that I love it in Gem
by the Way.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
That was raph Fail Sadik, who I was working with
for my album, and we just started to work on
records and he said, I'm working with Mary J. Blige,
and he came up with the Lady the Sole Lady hook,
and then I just kind of went in and came
in on the verses. You know, it was very simple,
you know what. I will take the tract that I've
never written a record for someone that was particularly written
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for Mary, which I would. That's that's what I should
have done it, because that's Mary J. Damn blocks, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
So I got into the motive.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
He wanted to write a song that was soft for her,
you know what I mean, And at the time I
was not soft, So I had to get into a
soft mode for that.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Record, and you definitely got into that mode. And I
know you're going to be getting into all type of
modes tonight. But before we get to tonight that city Winery,
I want you to talk about your time with Rick Ross,
because when I tell you I was rooting, I had
my flag in the sky, I was like teachers down
with Rick Ross. Oh shit, we moving now in these streets.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yes, indeed, you know, Ross came to me. I lived
in Miami at the time. I moved there, probably like
maybe two years something like that, maybe not even that long,
maybe a year, and he hit me on Twitter one
time and was like, Yo, I heard you here in Miami.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I would love to meet with you.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
This is when he was starting Mayback Music and he
had Meek Mill on the hook, he had La and
they were all like getting ready to sign they deals
and stuff like that, and so he called me over
to come to his house, who was like twenty minutes
away from me, and I went to hang out and
it was a cool vibe and he was like, start
telling people you on Mayback music. Put it in your bio,
you know what. Maybe I was like, okay, cool. We
never got around to signing a deal, but I just
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collaborated with him. You know, we just collaborated. And I'll
say this. You know people always.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Say, teacher, you should have gotten more from this.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
That and the third Listen, I got everything. Don't cry
for me, Argentina. I've gotten everything I'm supposed to get.
Rick Ross was the first person I ever heard say
my name on MTV. You know, Rick Ross brought so
much attention to me, and you have to understand, I
own myself.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I own myself. So for those that feel like, oh.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
This person didn't do right, that person didn't do you right, No no, no,
they did me fine because they brought attention to me
and what I own and can reap benefits off of
more than I could do at the time. For myself,
we never signed a deal, but that was it. But
it was nothing like no bad business or nothing. It's
just I'm a businesswoman, so I like to own things
that people normally would give up for fame.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I want money, So it's just, you know, it's a
little different for me.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Switch and Lanes. We got to talk about that election,
which is right around the corner. Tdr Moses, what does
voter mean to you?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
For me, it's more about what my answer sisters went
through as a black person, as a woman. It's not
about for me as much the belief and candidates and
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You gotta choose one.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
You got to choose somebody and stick to that and
exercise your right to vote because as a black person,
we couldn't do that at a certain point. As a woman,
I couldn't do that at a certain point. And there
are people that fought in their whole you know, blad
blood for me to be able to vote. And once again,
if you want to complain about what's going on.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Let me say this too.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Stop waiting for being time for the president to be
nominated for you to vote, because that's the smallest part
of what's being done here. Who's the local people, who's
the da in your city? Like these people are very important.
I think that you need to look into if you
really have problems what's going on, you need to look
into all the different sectors that you should vote in
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and make a difference for your community and for yourself.
I think it's very very important, but more importantly for
people of color and women, because there was a point
when you could not do that.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Amen. And this is why I tell people all the time,
exercise your right to vote. Yes, use your voice, because
at one time we didn't have one. You had to
see what we had to go through. The vote no,
and anybody sitting at home paying the dust. Now we
can't move like that.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
And I'll just say this as well.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
If you do not want someone to come in and
create a dictatorship in the United States of America.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
You have to vote against that person.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I won't say no names, because I'm not one to
you know, push that, But if you pay attention to
these candidates and what candidates and what they're saying, I
hear a lot of people saying, well, I don't like
this person.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I don't like that person.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Either find the best one or your agenda, you know
what I mean, Find the best one, just don't not vote.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Would you say, is the biggest life lesson you've learned
in your career so far? Mestigo Moses, Stay the course.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Just stay the course. I think that's in anything state
of course. Don't pack up and turn around. No, stay
the course. I think endurance is the name of the game.
If you can just endure, you learn. There's no such
thing as failure. You just learn and you keep going
forward and you will win at some point. But don't
turn back. State of course. State of course. Some things
I think in this especially in our world now with
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social media media, everybody thinks things are instant.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
It takes time. Takes time.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
So stay the course, learn your lessons. Do not subscribe
to being a failure. Learn your lessons, move forward, state
of course, and you will get where you want to go.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Let's talk about tonight. Let's talk about the celebration twenty years,
Complex Simplicity. My goal will be a city want to
be tonight. What can we expect?
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Oh, you can expect that energy, Philly already know how
I'm coming. You know you can expect that energy. And
like it really is a celebration. I'm only doing songs
from Complex Simplicity. And you know my mic is always on.
It's on, and there's nothing else on it but me.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
You don't know, but you know what I'm saying. I say,
and we got live band with it. It's just very
very good energy. Like I'm a person that you come
into my living room. You're not really going to a show.
You just come into my house and I'm singing some
songs for you, and you know, we're gonna have some cocktails.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
I'm gonna talk my shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
You know conversations, Well that's I've drink.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Tequila now we had but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
But but for this album, it's really just more so
about me expressing why I wrote some of these songs.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And you know, I never really took the time to
talk about that.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
It was a it was a darker time in my
life and I'm at twenty years later, I'm in so much.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
It's so much victory in my life.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
So I think that a lot of people that have
had this journey with me on these twenty years, they're
gonna enjoy it because they related to when I was broken,
so they must have had some brokenness in them. But
I was only writing songs about the victory I will
one day see and now I'm sitting in that victory.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So it's a real celebration at these shows.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
What's next for you?
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Up next is new music.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
You know, we're gonna continue celebrating twenty years of complex
simplicity straight into the new year, because we have to
go over.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
She's and keep that going. And then it's just new music.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I have a project I'm working on I've been working
on for years called The Bullshit.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You know, my kids grew up and.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
They left the house, and it's like, okay now, because
I didn't date when my kids were younger. It was
too much for me to have business and children and
if a man wasn't coming to change my situation, then
it was just a distraction for me.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
So I put that to the side.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
And then when they left, I decided I was gonna date,
and I pulled some bullshit into myrow. And so I
wrote these songs during that time, and it's so many
of them because it takes me so long to like
get all the emotions out. I believe that art for me,
I have to live. I can't make an album just
songs that are sad. I can't make an album of
songs were just angry. And I can't make an album
(21:42):
of songs that's just victorious. I have to get all
those songs out of me, I mean, all those experiences
out of me to make a project. So I have
a project coming called The Bullshit and it's three different EPs.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
The first one is the Bullshit that's the Yeah. The
first one is the bullshit knee deep.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
The second one is the bullshit undetected, and then the
third one is the bullshit fertilizer, because the knee deepest
when you all the way in that shit, and the
undetected one is like, it's your bullshit, though it's not
other people's bullshit, it's your bullshit. And then the fertilizer
is a certain amount of bullshit can help you grow,
(22:23):
you know what I mean. And if you take the
lessons from what you go through, you you'll do better.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
So that's that's what's coming up.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Who you're listening to? Who's your favorite artist?
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I love Anderson Pac, always have since he came out.
Who I'm listening to? H I like different people. I
love Doci right now, she's super super dope. I love
Victoria Monat's last project was really good, Lucky Days. I'm
a big fan of d Miles, so I love all
that he's doing. Yeah, I'm a playlist girl. Now, I'm
you know, I'm from old school, but I'm such a
(22:54):
playlist girl. I always just put songs on playlists. Don't
know who's singing them songs, but I.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Love them and we love you. TJ. Moses. I just
want to say, from the bottom of my heart, thank you.
You've always supported me. You supported me when I was
doing a show for my bedroom with Newport one hundreds
and coffee. And look at us now, this is get
us a baby circle moment. We are sitting inside of
iHeart Studio hunty. Twenty something years later, you have a
(23:20):
lot to celebrate. Thank you for your contributions to music,
not just R and B music. We love you, we
appreciate you. You are the real deal. And let people
know where they can follow you and keep up with
you and get it all up in your business.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Dr Yes, you can follow me on all the socials
at TJ Moses. You can always visit me at TJ
moses dot com because we got new.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Merge that twenty year anniversary merch. Get into it, baby,
TJ Moses.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Don't be a stranger. Let's don't do this shit another
ten years, all right? I love you for free, my friend,
give it up for tro Moses.
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