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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Now I'm well, I'm up the rive and real mine
and welcome to the Naked Truth and now your host
Bridget Barclay.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Good evening, America, and good early morning here in England.
Tonight's guest is Thomas Jane. Now he does various podcasts
recently on u APS what I'll always called him UFOs,
But as you know that this is what we're here
for to talk about the disclosure. So my guest tonight
is Thomas Jane, popular, very well known from his films
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and his TV shows including The Punisher, Yes, The Missed, Yes, Predator,
The Vanished, Great Film, DreamCatcher, Face Off, Fantastic Film, and
Yellowstone City Thank You, just to name a few. While
these projects have made him well known figure in the
entertainment business, is also part of the Hollywood Alliance Disclosure Alliance,
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which also I'm hugely privileged to be a part of,
which is the founder of Steve Bassett and David Harry.
Basically it pushes people into the focus of UFOs within
the media and in the public domain.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So I could go on with a long spill.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Everyone knows who Thomas is, but also I found out
that Thomas today, Thomas, if you listening loves Classic Cast,
so if it all goes tits up, we can talk
classic Cast. Because I'm a huge petrol head and I
restore myself. So welcome Tom's Jay.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Howdy There that grabbed your attention. A chick that likes
to do up cars? There you go.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, let's talk about cars. Get the UFOs, let's talk
about other vehicles.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
My dad used to work on. We've had a constant
revolution of different classic cards in our driveway. I grew
up working on old Fords and Chevy.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, that's the only time that you ever found your
dad was either in the pub or underneath the car.
But so yeah, so or being embarrassed being taken to
school in some unknown object that your dad used to
turn up with in the drive Oh god, I remember
my dad had a Morgan and he used to take
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me to school and I used to get so embarrassed,
I said, Dad, And I used to get him to
drop me like so far away from the school because
the car door opened the opposite way, and.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I was just like, this is so embarrassing as a kid.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, my dad had a nineteen forty Ford Coup which
was but it had a souped up V eight in it,
and it was loud. It didn't have a mom would
be people heard that thing coming from a mile away
and Jesus.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Christ totally what was that four point eight?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, I can't remember. Well, we dropped a new engine
in it. You know, it had the standard motor, but
we dropped in a new engine and I can't remember
the specifics anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
How amazing though, I mean, it's just amazing to be
bought up around.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Your dad with a car.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I mean, I've you know, obviously we've got to talk
about UFOs, but they're still vehicles.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
But I've out of American cars over here.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I had Chevy Priest Classic five point eight V eight
done up as a cop car, and I used to
rent it out to the film sets.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I had a nineteen.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Seventy seven GMC pickup truck two and it is from
you came out, came in from when you come from Vegas?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Two owners from you beautiful.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
You're driving these things on the wrong side of the road.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Oh yeah, well, actually, actually the pick of the GMC
was a manual, which made it even rarer. But because
I got a bad problem with my leg, it was
obviously the clutch was so difficult to you. But I mean, yeah,
I've I've had I've had god knows eighty R sevens
R X seven's the old, the Generation one RX seven,
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I had two of those I had. Sorry everybody, Sorry everybody.
If you're not into cars, I don't give a ship.
I mean Thomas and what's the oh SL Mercedes Because
when I when I was very young, I used to
love Heart to Heart and I said, do you know what,
I Am going to.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Buy that car? So I bought the Heart to Heart
Jennifer's caste. Yeah, I love Heart to Heart. That is
my goating.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
That is was a huge fan of.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I know, and weirdly I didn't realize it was filmed
in Brentwood and that's why I had my big UFO
encounter in Brentley, Angelesia. So I'd like to go and
find it, find the house and just you know, peer
through the gates or climb over the gate or whatever.
But anyways, let's talk UFOs, let's talk disclosure, let's talk
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what's happening in the world today.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Because it's really it's really exciting.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, no, totally, I totally agree. So we'll go to
the UOPs that are happening. The drones ups are happening
in a little bit later. So so, Thomas, I have
looked and listened to a lot of podcasts that you
have done. So in regards to starting off acting, where
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at what point, because everyone knows pretty much your acting career,
where at what point did you start to say? Hang
on a minute, you know what I want to get
into the UFO film because we will, we will delve
backwards and forth. What do you want to get into.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
The I was I think like a lot of kids
growing up, I was in the UFOs, but I was
also into vampires.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Where yeah, lost boys I lived in I have.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I'm actually finishing a graphic novel called The Liking, which
is all about were wolves.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So the light Liking, isn't that? That's the moss that
grows on trees, isn't it? Oh, we've lost him, Jay.
He actually Thomas might be back in a minute because
he was having a few technical issues, So he will
be back in a minute.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Let's give him a bit of time.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Sorry everybody that had to hear about cars, but that
just had to be done because I absolutely absolutely love cars,
and you know, it's a part of me. I don't
know if anybody really knows that. Really, I think cars, cats,
and spaceships at.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
This given point.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Let's see device not connected.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
There is back in the room.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Back like magic that I waffled, don't worry.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
We were talking about. We were talking about So as
a kid, I had an interesting experience that I relegated
to the dream world because it just couldn't have, just
didn't fit in reality. It was a fishing trip with
my grandfather and my father upstate New York. They're big fishermen,
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still are. My dad is still a huge fisher and
a hunter. Spent a lot of time outdoors and we
had a couple of really odd experiences. The one with
my grandfather was a very odd flash of a memory
of driving at night. My grandfather's old car had a son,
had a sun room, and these two balls of fire,
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but they were round and they and they had as
they were kind of revolving around each other. They you
could see the tales from the from the light, I suppose,
And I tried to get my dad's attention and he
just was staring straight ahead, and my grandfather too. They
were talking. I'm in the back seat. They were talking
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and then suddenly they go quiet. I see these things
and I'm trying to get their attention and I can't.
It's as if they were, you know, as I learned later,
switched off and this went on, and then that's the
end of that memory. But it's I was probably nine
something like that, eight nine, kind.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Of when experiences start for people were usually about six, yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
And continue, all right, So that was odd and I
put that away. It's just one of those things that
you know as you grow up. I can't it was
that a dream? Was that? What the hell was that?
And it has no context. And then about eleven twelve
years ago, twenty eleven, I had an experience that I
absolutely could not explain, and I don't talk about that.
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The important thing is that happened, and it suddenly I
woke up a different a different person, or or I
woke up in the world was very different, and I
spent a lot and I'm still It sent me on
a quest to discover what kind of universe are we
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really living in for such for such a thing to
be possible. And then I discovered, which blew my mind,
that there was this entire field of people who had
been studying alien intelligence for decades and it was completely
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under society. This subculture of people who were really serious
about figuring out alien intelligence here on Earth was mind boggling,
and it took me months to wrap my mind around
whether or not this was actually even a thing or
people were just you know, were they hobbyists making up
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stories in their free time, or was something real going on?
You know? And it it really it's an accumulation of
research that led me to the conclusion that we are
being interactive with an alien intelligence, with an alien intelligence.
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Now to find the word alien, you know, that's a
black box that you can put anything we wish to
put into, right alien, You throw it in there and
it just disappears out of our reality and the something
else that we can't explain. So I don't know what
these aliens are, but but I've got I've got some ideas.
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Uh well, and more importantly, once I satisfied myself that
that was a real phenomenon, then came the real work
of of asking, so what kind of universe do we
really live in? And that's was the has been my quest,
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and that led to me writing a book which I'm
editing now. It's called a Human's guide to visiting aliens
and and I uh and and and that's what I explore.
Thousands of books have been written on UFOs and whether
the real and the disclosure project and and the government
and all that stuff been covered well fascinating to me.
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And where I think moves the conversation forward are questions
that we've been asking for a long time. Who are they,
why are they here? What do they want? And how
did they get here? And what kind of universe do
we live in that would allow such a thing to
be possible, because we don't have those answers in science,
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in the social studies, we don't have those answers. In fact,
if you talk to people who academics who study particular
fields for a living, they'll tell you, well, it's it's
not possible, you know, for two reasons. One, how the
hell would they get here? You know, spaces planets are
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really far away, like really far away. You can't even
wrap your mind around how far away the closest planets are.
And two, what's up with all these humanoids?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I love humanoid encounters. I love them like no.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Science is going to say, now a humanoid form.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I've had a humanoid, I've witnessed a humanoid, a man
at the bottom of the garden.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
He was always dressed in black.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I used to hear him in my head and I
used to then go to the kitchen window and he
was there, and I used to shout in the house,
he's here, and he's back. And then it would be
my brother's or my brother's friend or my cousin would
run down. And he used to glide like like a
film dolly, Like he's got a camera on a you know,
on the dolley, and he used to glide backwards towards
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the barn.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
So, in my opinion, that's technology. Yeah, right, they're utilizing.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Some sort of telepathy first, telepathy first, several, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Several technologies that we that really uh, you know, bend
us the wrong way. You know, our elbows don't bend
like that. So what is that? What does that tell us?
And what does that So you've got evolution, what does
it tell us about the origin of life in the universe?
What does it tell us about genetics? DNA is is
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that are they the same? Are they different? And why
why would another evolutionary cycle on a planet produce an
intelligent humanoid form? Those these are really really good questions
that no one has an answer for.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I did watch your on UAP Studies podcast when World Collide,
your presentation. I would put a link to that because
that was absolutely bloody brilliant.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I watched that today.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It put everything in context through things in that I
hadn't even thought of. And yeah, no, no, totally. There
were some really really good things in there. And so
I'll put the link on there for you because you
did the presentation Contacted the Desert, and that was your presentation,
wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
That was my very first UFO. I'm not a you know,
I think actors they can't wait to get up in
front of people, but I've always been an introvert. Is
not you know, I'll be nervous for a couple of
days before I have to do that.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
That's always good to hear. That's good to hear. Well, yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Was worth it, you know. I put myself through that
because I felt like it's worth start continuing the conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Well, I'm just going to go back to a question.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You didn't talk about it because you don't want to
talk about it, but you said that you had an
experience earlier. Just a moment ago, and you moved on
from there now with all of the knowledge that you know,
because then you looked into the UFOs and I'm glad
that you said that on the podcast. You're always going
to call them UFOs because that's what they are. I'm
not doing the unything. I'm old school, I'm traditional, That's
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what I mean. I've got the biggest UFO book collection
in Europe, three sixty around around around the living room,
and I love it so and they're all got UFOs
on there.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
And I just when everyone said you aps is nobody?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah, that's you know, an attempt pretty boytant Yeah, what.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Do you What do you think now though?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
What do you think now after having that experience, you know,
just as a thought, having that experience, then finding this
new world that you didn't realize that was out there,
and then obviously then you know, looking up Heinech, looking
up all of the big names in the business that
have done all of the ground research for us all
and the people have sadly passed away that have been
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absolutely a rock to all of us. What do you
think now from that experience, from the experience that you had,
and you said that you weren't sure of and you
can't get your head around it. You don't want to
talk about it. But can you give me like a
little personal bite now of thinking, do you know what
I've now processed it? You know, like, let's say twelve
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years on, now you processed it. There's so much, so
many UFO experiences that are coming out their contact is
I'm a contact tee. What do you think now?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Then? What do you think now to that experience that
you had?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
What aspects are you most interested in? Because the.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Fascinating Okay, personal, spiritual, h that's what it's always going
to be about.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Well, you're right, it's a personal experience. And what's really
interesting is that's the only way to come to the
subject is through your own personal experience, and it's a
personal revelation that you have to come to on your
own by yourself.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Two years can take you years to suss out a
ufone counter.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Nobody has time for that, you know. So we're kind
of looking I think in the majority of humans are
just you know, give me the sound bite, boil it
down for me because I'm busy, you know, yeah, things
to do over here, But I'm interested. You know, what
does it mean, are they here to hurt us? So that,
you know, give me the basics. And but just getting
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to those questions can take years because first you've got
to you've got to realize. And I think a lot
of people kind of come to the open to the idea,
you know lately, which is great. You know, they're no
longer tossing it aside.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
They're only because they haven't had experiences they know exactly.
So you have to have that experience. And I can
I'll say it took me ten years about one experience,
one experience, and then one day I woke up and thought,
oh my god, I understand that that was ten years.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
But you know, pigmies living the Amazonia, and I I
can say that I know that they're there, but I've
never met a pigmy and I probably never will. So
there is there is a form of knowing that you
can satisfy yourself that these things are real. Pigmies are real,
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and they went around through pigmy things and I'm not
and I've never met one. So we can get to
a place where society at large knows uh that we're
being visited by an extraterrestrial intelligence, and that's kind of
where we are right now, and it's up to us.
It's up to the people who know to be able
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to transmit that message in a way. You know. William
Blake said, if the truth can be told in a
way that people understand it, it will be believed.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
And that and that's where that's our job.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
With proof as well.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And I suppose now, I mean, okay, with what's going
on in America and here in England, like at the
nuclear bases and things. Obviously we know in ethology, yeah,
we know in euthology that they've always been interested in
the nuclear basis. I mean Robert SALLASI interviewed many years. Well,
I interviewed last year, but I've known him for many
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years and it's quite extraordinary. Dan Willis Dan Willis as
well of interviewed as well. So you know what, it's interesting.
I've spoke to three experiences over the last twenty four
hours and each one of them have been visited by
orbes orbs.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, My last experience was about two and a half
months ago, maybe three months ago, and that is.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
With a black.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Black ball above my house that then flew intelligently as
I followed it over the power line. I could see
it and it could me. So when people are saying
they're seeing these these fair balls, I can I think.
I think, I personally think what's going on out in
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America and here in England.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
It's a bit of everybody.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It's a bit of military and it is the UFOs
we as contact tease experiences. That's all we're asking for,
you yourself, That's what you're asking for, is disclosure. Well,
they're giving it to us for God's sake, you know,
whether we in our dream state, whether it be you
know physically in front of us, we are, we are
asking for this. So it is for the other people
that are non believers, you know, to know.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
And they're not going to come to this as easily
as as you are. And I wouldn't recommend it either. Right.
What's interesting about what's happening now is we've got several
or a couple of different possibilities that as of today,
could be true. We just don't have enough evidence they
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they these could be genuine UFOs and they could not
be genuine UFOs. Although as time goes on, the UFO
windows is getting larger and larger, fascinating, So to ask
yourself the question if the alien intelligence or one of
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the alien intelligences have decided.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
To execute one of the ones, one of.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Them, a soft disclosure as opposed to a catastrophic disclosure.
This is a good way to do it because they're
not flying craft. They're not you know there. They exist
in this liminal space between what we we would identify
as oh my god, that's an alien spaceship, two that's
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a drone, and they're kind of in the middle. You know,
they're imitating there. And this is well known in the
field that they mimic. They can mimic human made craft,
so it could be a.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Projection of screen memory for everybody of the masses.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yeah, I mean that would be I'm I like the
idea of that, that they're mimicking craft. They could also be,
you know, creating a sort of holographic projection around their craft.
I don't think they need to beam stuff into our brains.
I think that these things are really up there. They're
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not flying, zipping around doing ninety degree turns at one
thousand miles an hour. They're not exhibiting blatant alien technology,
but they are continuing and they're not going away, not
going away, and they're slowly putting the pieces together, Like
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reports are coming in that they're not showing up on
thermal that's unusual. So it just seems like they're bending
the boundary of what we consider to be possible. There
on the edge of that boundary, and the fact that
they're not going away, the fact that they're spreading, the
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fact that the more we have to say, wait a second,
this can't be a foreign actor. This Why would the
military industrial complex if they did have highly unusual reverse
engineer craft, why the hell would they be doing this?
So the possibilities are beginning to narrow as the days
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go by. Now the question is why, and I'll my
I don't have any answers, but what I'm leading towards
is that we were getting Donald Trump got elected. The
forever war complex is being challenged. There's also an underlying
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new World order, for lack of a better word, that's
been going on for one hundred years. If you do
the research, you know the elite controllers have been trying
to take over the planet for one hundred years, and
it's only recently that we've actually had the technology to
be able to do something like that. Whether COVID was
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an accident or rehearsed, doesn't matter. They took advantageation to
test how the world would react to something like an
absolute you know, you lock your doors were taken over
kind of.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And also in COVID. A lot of people then started
looking into the UFOs and then starting doing podcasts and
then start you know, so.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
The awareness that has grown exponentially. The saber rattling for
World War has never been you know, the guys who
watched the atomic clock, they're saying, it's never been closer
to midnight. It blows the Cuban missile crisis out of
the water. So we're looking at maybe, uh, you know,
(26:03):
we we allowed uh Ukraine to use long range missiles
into Russia. We started moving our military, our nuclear missiles
to Lincoln Heath, which is a four minute rocket ride
to Russia. We're and if they were able to start
an international conflict, the transfer of power doesn't happen. In
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other words, in America, they retain power. In the case
of World War there is no transfer of power. Trump
does not become the new president. They retain the power.
So these things combined tells me that perhaps we were
so close to nuclear war that the that the alien intelligence,
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the digital swarm intelligence that's monitoring our planet has moved
into you know, sort of phase b uh where they
where they now are changing the narrative and preventing World war.
And then you have to ask, well, why why would
they Why wouldn't they let us follow ourselves up?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Well, it goes it goes back to many things, isn't it.
I mean the fact is, well, I totally agree with you.
I believe that there is it is probably you know
Plan B Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, you've
got the breeding program, You've got You've got lots of things.
I'm not an abductee that that that remembers, you know,
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having a child taken away. I've been presented with a
child by beings before, and that being wasn't mine. Sorry,
the baby wasn't mine, but they presented me with being
I mean, yeah, I mean that's a talk for another day.
And lots of people on my podcast have had me
talk that's. I had hypnosis with Bud Hopkins and Dolores Cannon,
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you know, two great legends, and I was very grateful
to have worked with the many years today. But I
don't know, I mean, it's quickening up. It's going to
be an interesting times far.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Here's a couple of things to think about researching the
one hundred years previous. You know, you call it eighty
years since Roswell, but then you've got another ten from
the Italian crash. And then you've got several reports of
alien contact or in other words, human interaction with alien beings.
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They go all the way back to the beginning of
the nineteen hundreds. The earliest one that I've that I've
read about is nineteen fourteen, but there might be there
might be the one's happening before that. We sort of
will start beginning to lose track of our history at
some point. For one hundred years, we're looking at several
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different alien intelligences. You know, I think coming into this
subject from the top down, we're thinking it's gray aliens, right,
because they've got.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Most all different types of things.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Their high their hybrid breeding program has gotten a lot
of attention. But that's just one race or species or
whatever you want to call them. We have hundreds of
different types so of aliens interacting with us. So it's
interesting that they all follow similar guidelines. You know, they
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don't are not here doing their own thing whatever whatever
they're coming from. And you could you could you know,
you could call it a you know, it's a universal.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Clubs all part of just the space they're in another space,
that's all.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
They're united in that space they have they share similar
technologies and they interact with planet Earth in similar ways.
There's certain rules they don't break. They don't land on
the White House lawnch they do offer for people plausible deniability,
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you know. They they haven't just you know, sort of
swarming around, but they have created these incidents like the
Phoenix Lights, like Hudson Valley. There's different sort of events
and to slowly sort of you know, engage, but it's
at our pace. It's not at their pace. Until now
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now it's not at our pace anymore. Now we're like,
wake up, folks, Now this is just hypothetical. You know.
There there are other explanations that that are on the
table that have not been fully vetted yet. But you know,
of course you and me and people and people like
us are going to be that's going to be forefront
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our mind, you know, and these as uh and if
they are, why so that's and and and again, why
why would they want to stop nuclear war. You know,
why wouldn't they let us blow ourselves up? Because if
we're dealing with hundreds or thousands of different alien societies,
then you know, what's one more or less? You know,
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So they didn't make it. They blew themselves up, and
you know, we're off to another planet.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Or we look quite beautiful from up there.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
It's a great planet, you know. But there's obviously a
plethora of great planets. Why why are they interested in
preserving one? That's a great question. I get into that
in my book. Those those are the questions that really fascinate.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
When is your book out?
Speaker 4 (31:33):
When I'm auditing it now, so I'm hoping to get
it out in the middle of next year. I was
invited to be the keynote speaker at Moufon the Symposium
in Cincinnati in July, and that's such a great honor
to be to sort of close out that Moufon symposium.
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Gary Nolan is going to introduce, He's going to do
the address at the beginning. And it just happened that
my business partner at Renegade, my production company, is getting
married on that day of all the days out of
the year, Oh that day in a devastates rushed. I haven't.
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I haven't talked to mouf On yet. I need to
figure that out. You know, maybe I can do something
earlier in the week. But boy, it was I just
got this news.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Very Oh no, that's that's yeah. I got no advice
for that. I'm afraid only you can only you consult that.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Well, it's going to be an interesting conference because where
where is this. You know, what usually happens during a
flat is it goes away and everybody goes back to normal.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
So if they accomplished their task, if they avoid World
War three and are able to accomplish their task, then
I don't see why they'd hang around that probably then
go back away. If they don't go away, then we're
looking at.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
That's something very different. Really well, yeah, a very very difficult.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
It's a new world and the Neo Copernican Revolution is
upon us.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Good god, that was a mouthful. What did you say?
What did you say?
Speaker 4 (33:26):
The Neo Copernican Revolution is upon us? Yeah, av Loo?
I think av Lowe talks about the Neo Copernican Revolution. Look,
it took two hundred years, one hundred and fifty to
two hundred years for Copernicus's ideas to finally change the world,
where the church finally had to say, all right, we're
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not the center of the universe. Are you're happy now?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Okay, so let's talk about the church as well, because
obviously you've got a lot of church people.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Well you've got this so long finished.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
My thought that took decades to happen, and we're in
the middle of another Copernican revolution where we're not only
are we not the center of the universe, we're not
the most intelligent things in the universe. We're not the
only civilization in the universe. In fact, we're probably somewhere
in the middle of a spectrum of life in the universe.
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And this is a huge thing to wrap our minds around,
and it's coming. So why wouldn't they let us do
this on our own? Well they have, they've been doing
it for eighty years. But you know, eighty years is
not one hundred and fifty years. So my opinion is
we don't have that kind of time. We no longer
have the time to waste. You know, we're closer than
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we probably realized to annihilating civilization and crushing all of
the information that we've gathered up to this point. We
go back to zero. It's twelve thousand years ago after
the flood, and we have to start all over again,
and so that civilization, that's the consequence of all that
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information being lost. And I think that aliens may be
interested in being stewards of information information in the universe,
you know, and our planet has the life on our
planet is a huge repository of information. And I think
(35:30):
that aliens are probably been aware of this planet for
much longer than we could possibly imagine, and that they've
been collecting the information the evolution which has exploded just
over the last couple of hundred years, and all of
that information would be lost, and that may be why
(35:54):
they're sort of pulling the plug on the you know,
when you're ready, you know, whenever you're ready, we'll be here.
Situation that we've been you know, exposed to over the
past eighty years. Something is different. So it's a fascinating
time is.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I mean, do you think that they are us from
the past? You know, let's sorry time travelers, you know,
coming back to Yeah, that's a great book, Time Travelers
from the Future that I've got that book, that's a
great book.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Do you think there is evidence to suggest that that
is going on. I think that humans want to put
they want to nail this down to one box. They
are time travelers from the future. They have been living
under the ocean or inside a mountain for a thousands
of years of breakaway civilization that continue to evolve of
(36:49):
twelve thousand years ago. They retained the information of that
civilization and continue but not on top of the earth
under it. And then there's the ultra terrestrial hypothesis that
they're interdimensional. And I think that all of these I
think that all of these things might be true. I
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don't think that they're human, uh creatures who have created
their own breakaway civilization. I don't think that they may
be alien visitors that have been here for thousands of
years and they've got bases, and they've probably got bases everywhere.
I mean, why wouldn't you. Of course, bass everywhere, So
(37:30):
they've been interacting with us for a long time. But
the time travelers something that I had trouble wrapping my
mind around. But I keep hearing different accounts. I'm going
to forget his name, but the guy came out on
Twitter just last year and had a really interesting account
and was told, we are from your future. You know,
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we no longer live on planet Earth.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Book is one of one of one of the books fabulous.
But but I can, I can email they're.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Kind of visiting. They don't, they don't. They're from our future,
but they no longer live on our planet. At some
point in the future, they've broken off and colonized another planet.
Thousands or millions of years went by, they figured out
time travel, and now they're visiting their old home exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
For us as family.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
The thing is is because the bond that you have
with them is unlike anything. It's a bit like this
sounds crazy, the love that you have, but let's say
a family member or your pet, right, let's just amplify
that and amplify that when you're in the presence of them.
(38:41):
There is such a bond of love, right, you know,
how can it not be some some energy.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
That you have.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
You know, you've dealt with all of your life, you know,
so it's it's it's more than that. I mean, it's
not upset. I mean this everyone that knows me knows
that this is a total session. It's more than obsession,
because it's a part of me. You know, it's a
part of all of my experiences that I've had. So
I feel I feel that, you know, when they communicate
(39:11):
or when I have these because I get very close encounters,
you know that that there, it's it's familiar. It feels
like it's a crazy word to say.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Home.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I feel I feel more at home having these experiences.
Then sometimes talking to my mate.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
On the phone, and we hear this over and over
from genuine contactees who actually spend time on board craft
with these aliens. Now, I could pop a I could
put a pin in that balloon a little bit. I'm
not saying it's you're not saying there is. Well, if
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you look at the history of alien contact before the
abduction phenomenon and before the gree alien stuff showed up,
which there there wasn't a lot of that going on
until the seventies, uh, and in the eighties and nineties
it really took off. But these aliens, when they interact
with human beings, a lot of them early contact cases,
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they do report this overwhelming feeling of peace and love,
and that, in my opinion, is a self defense mechanism.
It's a way of making you know, look, they're smaller
they've got all kinds of technology. But if I could
calm you down, make you feel at home a lot,
(40:38):
we're going to get along. This is going to go
a lot easier for for us. Whatever we it is
we've got planned for you, whatever experiments.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
The test before.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
It's going, this is going to go down. You're gonna
like this a lot better if we just make you
makes feel loved, And I think it's an excellent which
brings you into tet the feet and how they can
actually sort of access the human mind.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I mean, when you're having an encounter and they're telling
you things in your head, you know, it's quite remarkable.
And then when you've got proof, like at one time,
I got told to get out the car. I just
got told to get out the car. I got out
of the car for the hell, Okay, I'm just going
to go with it. Got got up on a on
a ledge, took a picture and I got a lovely
picture of something quite marvelous. Now that was through telepathy,
(41:29):
and that's happened at my encounter in Brentwood, Los Angeles
as well. But I've had it, you know, like the
man at that's humanoid at the bottom of the garden.
When you say that, it could be like a false
flag them saying calm down, everything's going to be okay. No,
but as in like you sort of like a trick,
trickster tricking me. Then I mean, oh yeah, I feel that.
(41:54):
It's it's so d that, you know, you don't get
that love from anybody except for that. I've never felt
that before with anything.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
I can tell you that. Okay, when we define love,
you know what what is that? Why do we love love?
Why is that so important to humanity? And the reason
is probably because people it's a fundamental feature of the universe,
you know, we we define it as love, But what
is love? Love is closely related to creation, you know,
(42:30):
to positive regard to bringing into being, and that isn't
that the essence of life? You know? So when we're
attracted to love, we're also attracted to and want to
contribute to the creation of life. So I think love
itself is a genuine emotion that is being conveyed to you.
(42:54):
You're you're they are connecting to something that's valid and
real within you. It's not a trick. It's a revelation
and that actually, you know, look, the truer it is
the more valid it's going to be. So why wouldn't
they use tools at their disposal that reach deep into
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the souls and minds of the creatures that they're interacting with.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Well, it's when you did the podcast, when Weld's Collide presentation,
you brought up animals in there, and I thought to myself,
I'm a bee keeper. I've got three hives that are
outside the house, and there's nothing nicer than in the
morning having coffee outside with them. So it's a love
(43:42):
for them. If one's hanging around that shouldn't be where
he is, or he's come over to see me, I'll
go and take him to the hive. Or if it's
a you know, one's absolutely knackered on the floor and
I can tell he's.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Knackered on the floor, I'll go and put him by
the hive. So for me, that's what loves.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
That is what it's you know, that's what love should
be on every form. It just makes you a.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Better person, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
You know, yeah, Well, Dolorus Cannon, keepers of the Garden,
that's exactly what we are. Funny enough, I called my
my cat Custodian after after Doloris's book custodians because she
says it as well, because if you go into past
life stuff as well, that she that's how she started it.
And then people started saying that they were aliens and beings.
(44:30):
You know, if you start going down that way, down
that route, Well, my god, you know, you can be Jesus,
you can be not dharmist, you can be beings, you
can be anything. I mean, it's hypothetically, I mean, it's
it's just expands. Like you say, You've got a plethora
of features there that you can expand to to you know,
to it.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
But the flip side of love is.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Well, we know the flip side, it can go already wrong.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Okay. That another way, the danger of love taking it
too far and becoming a helicopter mom, right, and we've
got we have that problem here in the United States.
You know, these kids sometimes, you know, they need a
little discipline. And I think that true love is allowing
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your children to grow into the mistakes that they make
to make them better people, allowing them to fall down
over and over.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
And over absolutely.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Until they you know, steal the keys to the to
the corvette, and hell, we might need to you know,
intervene and so where is that line? You know, how
far is too far? Is a really interesting question. Would
(45:58):
aliens allow us to blow ourselves up in the in
the because there's so many different intelligences recorded visiting us
that it doesn't bode well. You know, if there was
just one, then you could think, you know, wow, we're
the other guys, so we're neighbors. Would be really we
want to take care of these folks. We need to
make sure that they survive and thrive. But if we're
(46:21):
just one of thousands millions of different civilizations, what's one
and one? Let's go over. Let's go visit the planet's ylon.
See what's happening there. You know they haven't blown themselves yet.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Everyone could be on the verge of everything. But we
have thirty seconds. Is there anything you'd like to say?
And I'd absolutely love to have you back, because I
mean there's I've got questions that I haven't even asked
you because we went as you say, you got thirty seconds.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Anything that you'd like to say, Thomas, look out.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
For the book A Humans Guide to Visiting Alien.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Okay, so I'll I put that your renegade? Do I
what lenked you? Well, if you send me a link,
i'll put the link on.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
We don't have a link yet. I'm editing the book, Okay,
that'll come out, you know, and i'll put it out there.
People who are interested will definitely be aware of book
and where to find it.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
So also, are you talking are you describing other banks?
Because if you are, you can you can ask me
a few questions. I'd love to answer them.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Oh yeah, terrific. Yes, absolutely, we're interested in who these
beings are. You know, it's not just about these little
gray dudes. Y.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
No, I'll tell you what I think a lot.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
You know, a lot of people say that the Gray
started with Betty and Barney Hill. It's not true. These
are completely different descriptions of completely different beings with completely
different objectives. So so it gets a little, you know,
it gets more and more interesting the deeper we go.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Well, i'd love to chat with you. I'd love to
have a smoke with you as well, but I can't,
so so listen hopefully part two. Thank you very much, Thomas.
I know it's mid afternoon for you, but thank you,
and thank you for talking cars as well, because I
know always fun.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
I get I get excited about this stuff. I'm get
excited about talking about, you know, myself or movies or
what my latest project.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
There's more to you.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
This get gets me going.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
So thanks all right, listen, Thank you so much for
joining us on the Naked Truth, and I look forward
to part two with you have yourself a merry Christmas,
Thomas and I will speak to you soon. Take care,
Bye bye bye bye
Now I'm well, I'm up the rive and real mine
and welcome to the Naked Truth and now your host
Bridget Barclay.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Good evening, America, and good early morning here in England.
Tonight's guest is Thomas Jane. Now he does various podcasts
recently on u APS what I'll always called him UFOs,
But as you know that this is what we're here
for to talk about the disclosure. So my guest tonight
is Thomas Jane, popular, very well known from his films
(01:05):
and his TV shows including The Punisher, Yes, The Missed, Yes, Predator,
The Vanished, Great Film, DreamCatcher, Face Off, Fantastic Film, and
Yellowstone City Thank You, just to name a few. While
these projects have made him well known figure in the
entertainment business, is also part of the Hollywood Alliance Disclosure Alliance,
(01:28):
which also I'm hugely privileged to be a part of,
which is the founder of Steve Bassett and David Harry.
Basically it pushes people into the focus of UFOs within
the media and in the public domain.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So I could go on with a long spill.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Everyone knows who Thomas is, but also I found out
that Thomas today, Thomas, if you listening loves Classic Cast,
so if it all goes tits up, we can talk
classic Cast. Because I'm a huge petrol head and I
restore myself. So welcome Tom's Jay.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Howdy There that grabbed your attention. A chick that likes
to do up cars? There you go.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Well, let's talk about cars. Get the UFOs, let's talk
about other vehicles.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
My dad used to work on. We've had a constant
revolution of different classic cards in our driveway. I grew
up working on old Fords and Chevy.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, that's the only time that you ever found your
dad was either in the pub or underneath the car.
But so yeah, so or being embarrassed being taken to
school in some unknown object that your dad used to
turn up with in the drive Oh god, I remember
my dad had a Morgan and he used to take
(02:48):
me to school and I used to get so embarrassed,
I said, Dad, And I used to get him to
drop me like so far away from the school because
the car door opened the opposite way, and.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I was just like, this is so embarrassing as a kid.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, my dad had a nineteen forty Ford Coup which
was but it had a souped up V eight in it,
and it was loud. It didn't have a mom would
be people heard that thing coming from a mile away
and Jesus.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Christ totally what was that four point eight?
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah, I can't remember. Well, we dropped a new engine
in it. You know, it had the standard motor, but
we dropped in a new engine and I can't remember
the specifics anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
How amazing though, I mean, it's just amazing to be
bought up around.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Your dad with a car.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I mean, I've you know, obviously we've got to talk
about UFOs, but they're still vehicles.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
But I've out of American cars over here.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
I had Chevy Priest Classic five point eight V eight
done up as a cop car, and I used to
rent it out to the film sets.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I had a nineteen.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Seventy seven GMC pickup truck two and it is from
you came out, came in from when you come from Vegas?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Two owners from you beautiful.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
You're driving these things on the wrong side of the road.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Oh yeah, well, actually, actually the pick of the GMC
was a manual, which made it even rarer. But because
I got a bad problem with my leg, it was
obviously the clutch was so difficult to you. But I mean, yeah,
I've I've had I've had god knows eighty R sevens
R X seven's the old, the Generation one RX seven,
(04:31):
I had two of those I had. Sorry everybody, Sorry everybody.
If you're not into cars, I don't give a ship.
I mean Thomas and what's the oh SL Mercedes Because
when I when I was very young, I used to
love Heart to Heart and I said, do you know what,
I Am going to.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Buy that car? So I bought the Heart to Heart
Jennifer's caste. Yeah, I love Heart to Heart. That is
my goating.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
That is was a huge fan of.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I know, and weirdly I didn't realize it was filmed
in Brentwood and that's why I had my big UFO
encounter in Brentley, Angelesia. So I'd like to go and
find it, find the house and just you know, peer
through the gates or climb over the gate or whatever.
But anyways, let's talk UFOs, let's talk disclosure, let's talk
(05:20):
what's happening in the world today.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Because it's really it's really exciting.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, no, totally, I totally agree. So we'll go to
the UOPs that are happening. The drones ups are happening
in a little bit later. So so, Thomas, I have
looked and listened to a lot of podcasts that you
have done. So in regards to starting off acting, where
(05:50):
at what point, because everyone knows pretty much your acting career,
where at what point did you start to say? Hang
on a minute, you know what I want to get
into the UFO film because we will, we will delve
backwards and forth. What do you want to get into.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
The I was I think like a lot of kids
growing up, I was in the UFOs, but I was
also into vampires.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Where yeah, lost boys I lived in I have.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I'm actually finishing a graphic novel called The Liking, which
is all about were wolves.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
So the light Liking, isn't that? That's the moss that
grows on trees, isn't it? Oh, we've lost him, Jay.
He actually Thomas might be back in a minute because
he was having a few technical issues, So he will
be back in a minute.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Let's give him a bit of time.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Sorry everybody that had to hear about cars, but that
just had to be done because I absolutely absolutely love cars,
and you know, it's a part of me. I don't
know if anybody really knows that. Really, I think cars, cats,
and spaceships at.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
This given point.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Let's see device not connected.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
There is back in the room.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Back like magic that I waffled, don't worry.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
We were talking about. We were talking about So as
a kid, I had an interesting experience that I relegated
to the dream world because it just couldn't have, just
didn't fit in reality. It was a fishing trip with
my grandfather and my father upstate New York. They're big fishermen,
(07:33):
still are. My dad is still a huge fisher and
a hunter. Spent a lot of time outdoors and we
had a couple of really odd experiences. The one with
my grandfather was a very odd flash of a memory
of driving at night. My grandfather's old car had a son,
had a sun room, and these two balls of fire,
(07:58):
but they were round and they and they had as
they were kind of revolving around each other. They you
could see the tales from the from the light, I suppose,
And I tried to get my dad's attention and he
just was staring straight ahead, and my grandfather too. They
were talking. I'm in the back seat. They were talking
(08:19):
and then suddenly they go quiet. I see these things
and I'm trying to get their attention and I can't.
It's as if they were, you know, as I learned later,
switched off and this went on, and then that's the
end of that memory. But it's I was probably nine
something like that, eight nine, kind.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Of when experiences start for people were usually about six, yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
And continue, all right, So that was odd and I
put that away. It's just one of those things that
you know as you grow up. I can't it was
that a dream? Was that? What the hell was that?
And it has no context. And then about eleven twelve
years ago, twenty eleven, I had an experience that I
absolutely could not explain, and I don't talk about that.
(09:09):
The important thing is that happened, and it suddenly I
woke up a different a different person, or or I
woke up in the world was very different, and I
spent a lot and I'm still It sent me on
a quest to discover what kind of universe are we
(09:32):
really living in for such for such a thing to
be possible. And then I discovered, which blew my mind,
that there was this entire field of people who had
been studying alien intelligence for decades and it was completely
(09:52):
under society. This subculture of people who were really serious
about figuring out alien intelligence here on Earth was mind boggling,
and it took me months to wrap my mind around
whether or not this was actually even a thing or
people were just you know, were they hobbyists making up
(10:18):
stories in their free time, or was something real going on?
You know? And it it really it's an accumulation of
research that led me to the conclusion that we are
being interactive with an alien intelligence, with an alien intelligence.
(10:41):
Now to find the word alien, you know, that's a
black box that you can put anything we wish to
put into, right alien, You throw it in there and
it just disappears out of our reality and the something
else that we can't explain. So I don't know what
these aliens are, but but I've got I've got some ideas.
(11:04):
Uh well, and more importantly, once I satisfied myself that
that was a real phenomenon, then came the real work
of of asking, so what kind of universe do we
really live in? And that's was the has been my quest,
(11:26):
and that led to me writing a book which I'm
editing now. It's called a Human's guide to visiting aliens
and and I uh and and and that's what I explore.
Thousands of books have been written on UFOs and whether
the real and the disclosure project and and the government
and all that stuff been covered well fascinating to me.
(11:47):
And where I think moves the conversation forward are questions
that we've been asking for a long time. Who are they,
why are they here? What do they want? And how
did they get here? And what kind of universe do
we live in that would allow such a thing to
be possible, because we don't have those answers in science,
(12:10):
in the social studies, we don't have those answers. In fact,
if you talk to people who academics who study particular
fields for a living, they'll tell you, well, it's it's
not possible, you know, for two reasons. One, how the
hell would they get here? You know, spaces planets are
(12:32):
really far away, like really far away. You can't even
wrap your mind around how far away the closest planets are.
And two, what's up with all these humanoids?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I love humanoid encounters. I love them like no.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Science is going to say, now a humanoid form.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I've had a humanoid, I've witnessed a humanoid, a man
at the bottom of the garden.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
He was always dressed in black.
Speaker 2 (13:01):
I used to hear him in my head and I
used to then go to the kitchen window and he
was there, and I used to shout in the house,
he's here, and he's back. And then it would be
my brother's or my brother's friend or my cousin would
run down. And he used to glide like like a
film dolly, Like he's got a camera on a you know,
on the dolley, and he used to glide backwards towards
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the barn.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
So, in my opinion, that's technology. Yeah, right, they're utilizing.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Some sort of telepathy first, telepathy first, several, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Several technologies that we that really uh, you know, bend
us the wrong way. You know, our elbows don't bend
like that. So what is that? What does that tell us?
And what does that So you've got evolution, what does
it tell us about the origin of life in the universe?
What does it tell us about genetics? DNA is is
(13:57):
that are they the same? Are they different? And why
why would another evolutionary cycle on a planet produce an
intelligent humanoid form? Those these are really really good questions
that no one has an answer for.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
I did watch your on UAP Studies podcast when World Collide,
your presentation. I would put a link to that because
that was absolutely bloody brilliant.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
I watched that today.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
It put everything in context through things in that I
hadn't even thought of. And yeah, no, no, totally. There
were some really really good things in there. And so
I'll put the link on there for you because you
did the presentation Contacted the Desert, and that was your presentation,
wasn't it.
Speaker 4 (14:51):
That was my very first UFO. I'm not a you know,
I think actors they can't wait to get up in
front of people, but I've always been an introvert. Is
not you know, I'll be nervous for a couple of
days before I have to do that.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
That's always good to hear. That's good to hear. Well, yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Was worth it, you know. I put myself through that
because I felt like it's worth start continuing the conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Well, I'm just going to go back to a question.
Speaker 4 (15:33):
Now.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
You didn't talk about it because you don't want to
talk about it, but you said that you had an
experience earlier. Just a moment ago, and you moved on
from there now with all of the knowledge that you know,
because then you looked into the UFOs and I'm glad
that you said that on the podcast. You're always going
to call them UFOs because that's what they are. I'm
not doing the unything. I'm old school, I'm traditional, That's
(15:55):
what I mean. I've got the biggest UFO book collection
in Europe, three sixty around around around the living room,
and I love it so and they're all got UFOs
on there.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
And I just when everyone said you aps is nobody?
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah, that's you know, an attempt pretty boytant Yeah, what.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Do you What do you think now though?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
What do you think now after having that experience, you know,
just as a thought, having that experience, then finding this
new world that you didn't realize that was out there,
and then obviously then you know, looking up Heinech, looking
up all of the big names in the business that
have done all of the ground research for us all
and the people have sadly passed away that have been
(16:40):
absolutely a rock to all of us. What do you
think now from that experience, from the experience that you had,
and you said that you weren't sure of and you
can't get your head around it. You don't want to
talk about it. But can you give me like a
little personal bite now of thinking, do you know what
I've now processed it? You know, like, let's say twelve
(17:02):
years on, now you processed it. There's so much, so
many UFO experiences that are coming out their contact is
I'm a contact tee. What do you think now?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Then? What do you think now to that experience that
you had?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
What aspects are you most interested in? Because the.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Fascinating Okay, personal, spiritual, h that's what it's always going
to be about.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Well, you're right, it's a personal experience. And what's really
interesting is that's the only way to come to the
subject is through your own personal experience, and it's a
personal revelation that you have to come to on your
own by yourself.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
Two years can take you years to suss out a
ufone counter.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Nobody has time for that, you know. So we're kind
of looking I think in the majority of humans are
just you know, give me the sound bite, boil it
down for me because I'm busy, you know, yeah, things
to do over here, But I'm interested. You know, what
does it mean, are they here to hurt us? So that,
you know, give me the basics. And but just getting
(18:20):
to those questions can take years because first you've got
to you've got to realize. And I think a lot
of people kind of come to the open to the idea,
you know lately, which is great. You know, they're no
longer tossing it aside.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
They're only because they haven't had experiences they know exactly.
So you have to have that experience. And I can
I'll say it took me ten years about one experience,
one experience, and then one day I woke up and thought,
oh my god, I understand that that was ten years.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
But you know, pigmies living the Amazonia, and I I
can say that I know that they're there, but I've
never met a pigmy and I probably never will. So
there is there is a form of knowing that you
can satisfy yourself that these things are real. Pigmies are real,
(19:19):
and they went around through pigmy things and I'm not
and I've never met one. So we can get to
a place where society at large knows uh that we're
being visited by an extraterrestrial intelligence, and that's kind of
where we are right now, and it's up to us.
It's up to the people who know to be able
(19:43):
to transmit that message in a way. You know. William
Blake said, if the truth can be told in a
way that people understand it, it will be believed.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
And that and that's where that's our job.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
With proof as well.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
And I suppose now, I mean, okay, with what's going
on in America and here in England, like at the
nuclear bases and things. Obviously we know in ethology, yeah,
we know in euthology that they've always been interested in
the nuclear basis. I mean Robert SALLASI interviewed many years. Well,
I interviewed last year, but I've known him for many
(20:17):
years and it's quite extraordinary. Dan Willis Dan Willis as
well of interviewed as well. So you know what, it's interesting.
I've spoke to three experiences over the last twenty four
hours and each one of them have been visited by
orbes orbs.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, My last experience was about two and a half
months ago, maybe three months ago, and that is.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
With a black.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Black ball above my house that then flew intelligently as
I followed it over the power line. I could see
it and it could me. So when people are saying
they're seeing these these fair balls, I can I think.
I think, I personally think what's going on out in
(21:11):
America and here in England.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
It's a bit of everybody.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It's a bit of military and it is the UFOs
we as contact tease experiences. That's all we're asking for,
you yourself, That's what you're asking for, is disclosure. Well,
they're giving it to us for God's sake, you know,
whether we in our dream state, whether it be you
know physically in front of us, we are, we are
asking for this. So it is for the other people
that are non believers, you know, to know.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
And they're not going to come to this as easily
as as you are. And I wouldn't recommend it either. Right.
What's interesting about what's happening now is we've got several
or a couple of different possibilities that as of today,
could be true. We just don't have enough evidence they
(21:56):
they these could be genuine UFOs and they could not
be genuine UFOs. Although as time goes on, the UFO
windows is getting larger and larger, fascinating, So to ask
yourself the question if the alien intelligence or one of
(22:18):
the alien intelligences have decided.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
To execute one of the ones, one of.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Them, a soft disclosure as opposed to a catastrophic disclosure.
This is a good way to do it because they're
not flying craft. They're not you know there. They exist
in this liminal space between what we we would identify
as oh my god, that's an alien spaceship, two that's
(22:50):
a drone, and they're kind of in the middle. You know,
they're imitating there. And this is well known in the
field that they mimic. They can mimic human made craft,
so it could be a.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Projection of screen memory for everybody of the masses.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yeah, I mean that would be I'm I like the
idea of that, that they're mimicking craft. They could also be,
you know, creating a sort of holographic projection around their craft.
I don't think they need to beam stuff into our brains.
I think that these things are really up there. They're
(23:31):
not flying, zipping around doing ninety degree turns at one
thousand miles an hour. They're not exhibiting blatant alien technology,
but they are continuing and they're not going away, not
going away, and they're slowly putting the pieces together, Like
(23:52):
reports are coming in that they're not showing up on
thermal that's unusual. So it just seems like they're bending
the boundary of what we consider to be possible. There
on the edge of that boundary, and the fact that
they're not going away, the fact that they're spreading, the
(24:13):
fact that the more we have to say, wait a second,
this can't be a foreign actor. This Why would the
military industrial complex if they did have highly unusual reverse
engineer craft, why the hell would they be doing this?
So the possibilities are beginning to narrow as the days
(24:35):
go by. Now the question is why, and I'll my
I don't have any answers, but what I'm leading towards
is that we were getting Donald Trump got elected. The
forever war complex is being challenged. There's also an underlying
(24:57):
new World order, for lack of a better word, that's
been going on for one hundred years. If you do
the research, you know the elite controllers have been trying
to take over the planet for one hundred years, and
it's only recently that we've actually had the technology to
be able to do something like that. Whether COVID was
(25:19):
an accident or rehearsed, doesn't matter. They took advantageation to
test how the world would react to something like an
absolute you know, you lock your doors were taken over
kind of.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And also in COVID. A lot of people then started
looking into the UFOs and then starting doing podcasts and
then start you know, so.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
The awareness that has grown exponentially. The saber rattling for
World War has never been you know, the guys who
watched the atomic clock, they're saying, it's never been closer
to midnight. It blows the Cuban missile crisis out of
the water. So we're looking at maybe, uh, you know,
(26:03):
we we allowed uh Ukraine to use long range missiles
into Russia. We started moving our military, our nuclear missiles
to Lincoln Heath, which is a four minute rocket ride
to Russia. We're and if they were able to start
an international conflict, the transfer of power doesn't happen. In
(26:27):
other words, in America, they retain power. In the case
of World War there is no transfer of power. Trump
does not become the new president. They retain the power.
So these things combined tells me that perhaps we were
so close to nuclear war that the that the alien intelligence,
(26:49):
the digital swarm intelligence that's monitoring our planet has moved
into you know, sort of phase b uh where they
where they now are changing the narrative and preventing World war.
And then you have to ask, well, why why would
they Why wouldn't they let us follow ourselves up?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Well, it goes it goes back to many things, isn't it.
I mean the fact is, well, I totally agree with you.
I believe that there is it is probably you know
Plan B Yeah, I mean, I mean, you know, you've
got the breeding program, You've got You've got lots of things.
I'm not an abductee that that that remembers, you know,
(27:32):
having a child taken away. I've been presented with a
child by beings before, and that being wasn't mine. Sorry,
the baby wasn't mine, but they presented me with being
I mean, yeah, I mean that's a talk for another day.
And lots of people on my podcast have had me
talk that's. I had hypnosis with Bud Hopkins and Dolores Cannon,
(27:54):
you know, two great legends, and I was very grateful
to have worked with the many years today. But I
don't know, I mean, it's quickening up. It's going to
be an interesting times far.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Here's a couple of things to think about researching the
one hundred years previous. You know, you call it eighty
years since Roswell, but then you've got another ten from
the Italian crash. And then you've got several reports of
alien contact or in other words, human interaction with alien beings.
(28:32):
They go all the way back to the beginning of
the nineteen hundreds. The earliest one that I've that I've
read about is nineteen fourteen, but there might be there
might be the one's happening before that. We sort of
will start beginning to lose track of our history at
some point. For one hundred years, we're looking at several
(28:53):
different alien intelligences. You know, I think coming into this
subject from the top down, we're thinking it's gray aliens, right,
because they've got.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
Most all different types of things.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Their high their hybrid breeding program has gotten a lot
of attention. But that's just one race or species or
whatever you want to call them. We have hundreds of
different types so of aliens interacting with us. So it's
interesting that they all follow similar guidelines. You know, they
(29:27):
don't are not here doing their own thing whatever whatever
they're coming from. And you could you could you know,
you could call it a you know, it's a universal.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Clubs all part of just the space they're in another space,
that's all.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
They're united in that space they have they share similar
technologies and they interact with planet Earth in similar ways.
There's certain rules they don't break. They don't land on
the White House lawnch they do offer for people plausible deniability,
(30:02):
you know. They they haven't just you know, sort of
swarming around, but they have created these incidents like the
Phoenix Lights, like Hudson Valley. There's different sort of events
and to slowly sort of you know, engage, but it's
at our pace. It's not at their pace. Until now
(30:25):
now it's not at our pace anymore. Now we're like,
wake up, folks, Now this is just hypothetical. You know.
There there are other explanations that that are on the
table that have not been fully vetted yet. But you know,
of course you and me and people and people like
us are going to be that's going to be forefront
(30:46):
our mind, you know, and these as uh and if
they are, why so that's and and and again, why
why would they want to stop nuclear war. You know,
why wouldn't they let us blow ourselves up? Because if
we're dealing with hundreds or thousands of different alien societies,
then you know, what's one more or less? You know,
(31:07):
So they didn't make it. They blew themselves up, and
you know, we're off to another planet.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Or we look quite beautiful from up there.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
It's a great planet, you know. But there's obviously a
plethora of great planets. Why why are they interested in
preserving one? That's a great question. I get into that
in my book. Those those are the questions that really fascinate.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
When is your book out?
Speaker 4 (31:33):
When I'm auditing it now, so I'm hoping to get
it out in the middle of next year. I was
invited to be the keynote speaker at Moufon the Symposium
in Cincinnati in July, and that's such a great honor
to be to sort of close out that Moufon symposium.
(31:54):
Gary Nolan is going to introduce, He's going to do
the address at the beginning. And it just happened that
my business partner at Renegade, my production company, is getting
married on that day of all the days out of
the year, Oh that day in a devastates rushed. I haven't.
(32:21):
I haven't talked to mouf On yet. I need to
figure that out. You know, maybe I can do something
earlier in the week. But boy, it was I just
got this news.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Very Oh no, that's that's yeah. I got no advice
for that. I'm afraid only you can only you consult that.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
Well, it's going to be an interesting conference because where
where is this. You know, what usually happens during a
flat is it goes away and everybody goes back to normal.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
So if they accomplished their task, if they avoid World
War three and are able to accomplish their task, then
I don't see why they'd hang around that probably then
go back away. If they don't go away, then we're
looking at.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
That's something very different. Really well, yeah, a very very difficult.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
It's a new world and the Neo Copernican Revolution is
upon us.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
Good god, that was a mouthful. What did you say?
What did you say?
Speaker 4 (33:26):
The Neo Copernican Revolution is upon us? Yeah, av Loo?
I think av Lowe talks about the Neo Copernican Revolution. Look,
it took two hundred years, one hundred and fifty to
two hundred years for Copernicus's ideas to finally change the world,
where the church finally had to say, all right, we're
(33:49):
not the center of the universe. Are you're happy now?
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Okay, so let's talk about the church as well, because
obviously you've got a lot of church people.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
Well you've got this so long finished.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
My thought that took decades to happen, and we're in
the middle of another Copernican revolution where we're not only
are we not the center of the universe, we're not
the most intelligent things in the universe. We're not the
only civilization in the universe. In fact, we're probably somewhere
in the middle of a spectrum of life in the universe.
(34:23):
And this is a huge thing to wrap our minds around,
and it's coming. So why wouldn't they let us do
this on our own? Well they have, they've been doing
it for eighty years. But you know, eighty years is
not one hundred and fifty years. So my opinion is
we don't have that kind of time. We no longer
have the time to waste. You know, we're closer than
(34:46):
we probably realized to annihilating civilization and crushing all of
the information that we've gathered up to this point. We
go back to zero. It's twelve thousand years ago after
the flood, and we have to start all over again,
and so that civilization, that's the consequence of all that
(35:08):
information being lost. And I think that aliens may be
interested in being stewards of information information in the universe,
you know, and our planet has the life on our
planet is a huge repository of information. And I think
(35:30):
that aliens are probably been aware of this planet for
much longer than we could possibly imagine, and that they've
been collecting the information the evolution which has exploded just
over the last couple of hundred years, and all of
that information would be lost, and that may be why
(35:54):
they're sort of pulling the plug on the you know,
when you're ready, you know, whenever you're ready, we'll be here.
Situation that we've been you know, exposed to over the
past eighty years. Something is different. So it's a fascinating
time is.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I mean, do you think that they are us from
the past? You know, let's sorry time travelers, you know,
coming back to Yeah, that's a great book, Time Travelers
from the Future that I've got that book, that's a
great book.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Do you think there is evidence to suggest that that
is going on. I think that humans want to put
they want to nail this down to one box. They
are time travelers from the future. They have been living
under the ocean or inside a mountain for a thousands
of years of breakaway civilization that continue to evolve of
(36:49):
twelve thousand years ago. They retained the information of that
civilization and continue but not on top of the earth
under it. And then there's the ultra terrestrial hypothesis that
they're interdimensional. And I think that all of these I
think that all of these things might be true. I
(37:09):
don't think that they're human, uh creatures who have created
their own breakaway civilization. I don't think that they may
be alien visitors that have been here for thousands of
years and they've got bases, and they've probably got bases everywhere.
I mean, why wouldn't you. Of course, bass everywhere, So
(37:30):
they've been interacting with us for a long time. But
the time travelers something that I had trouble wrapping my
mind around. But I keep hearing different accounts. I'm going
to forget his name, but the guy came out on
Twitter just last year and had a really interesting account
and was told, we are from your future. You know,
(37:53):
we no longer live on planet Earth.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Book is one of one of one of the books fabulous.
But but I can, I can email they're.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Kind of visiting. They don't, they don't. They're from our future,
but they no longer live on our planet. At some
point in the future, they've broken off and colonized another planet.
Thousands or millions of years went by, they figured out
time travel, and now they're visiting their old home exactly.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
For us as family.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
The thing is is because the bond that you have
with them is unlike anything. It's a bit like this
sounds crazy, the love that you have, but let's say
a family member or your pet, right, let's just amplify
that and amplify that when you're in the presence of them.
(38:41):
There is such a bond of love, right, you know,
how can it not be some some energy.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
That you have.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
You know, you've dealt with all of your life, you know,
so it's it's it's more than that. I mean, it's
not upset. I mean this everyone that knows me knows
that this is a total session. It's more than obsession,
because it's a part of me. You know, it's a
part of all of my experiences that I've had. So
I feel I feel that, you know, when they communicate
(39:11):
or when I have these because I get very close encounters,
you know that that there, it's it's familiar. It feels
like it's a crazy word to say.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Home.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
I feel I feel more at home having these experiences.
Then sometimes talking to my mate.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
On the phone, and we hear this over and over
from genuine contactees who actually spend time on board craft
with these aliens. Now, I could pop a I could
put a pin in that balloon a little bit. I'm
not saying it's you're not saying there is. Well, if
(39:51):
you look at the history of alien contact before the
abduction phenomenon and before the gree alien stuff showed up,
which there there wasn't a lot of that going on
until the seventies, uh, and in the eighties and nineties
it really took off. But these aliens, when they interact
with human beings, a lot of them early contact cases,
(40:14):
they do report this overwhelming feeling of peace and love,
and that, in my opinion, is a self defense mechanism.
It's a way of making you know, look, they're smaller
they've got all kinds of technology. But if I could
calm you down, make you feel at home a lot,
(40:38):
we're going to get along. This is going to go
a lot easier for for us. Whatever we it is
we've got planned for you, whatever experiments.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
The test before.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
It's going, this is going to go down. You're gonna
like this a lot better if we just make you
makes feel loved, And I think it's an excellent which
brings you into tet the feet and how they can
actually sort of access the human mind.
Speaker 2 (41:05):
I mean, when you're having an encounter and they're telling
you things in your head, you know, it's quite remarkable.
And then when you've got proof, like at one time,
I got told to get out the car. I just
got told to get out the car. I got out
of the car for the hell, Okay, I'm just going
to go with it. Got got up on a on
a ledge, took a picture and I got a lovely
picture of something quite marvelous. Now that was through telepathy,
(41:29):
and that's happened at my encounter in Brentwood, Los Angeles
as well. But I've had it, you know, like the
man at that's humanoid at the bottom of the garden.
When you say that, it could be like a false
flag them saying calm down, everything's going to be okay. No,
but as in like you sort of like a trick,
trickster tricking me. Then I mean, oh yeah, I feel that.
(41:54):
It's it's so d that, you know, you don't get
that love from anybody except for that. I've never felt
that before with anything.
Speaker 4 (42:06):
I can tell you that. Okay, when we define love,
you know what what is that? Why do we love love?
Why is that so important to humanity? And the reason
is probably because people it's a fundamental feature of the universe,
you know, we we define it as love, But what
is love? Love is closely related to creation, you know,
(42:30):
to positive regard to bringing into being, and that isn't
that the essence of life? You know? So when we're
attracted to love, we're also attracted to and want to
contribute to the creation of life. So I think love
itself is a genuine emotion that is being conveyed to you.
(42:54):
You're you're they are connecting to something that's valid and
real within you. It's not a trick. It's a revelation
and that actually, you know, look, the truer it is
the more valid it's going to be. So why wouldn't
they use tools at their disposal that reach deep into
(43:15):
the souls and minds of the creatures that they're interacting with.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Well, it's when you did the podcast, when Weld's Collide presentation,
you brought up animals in there, and I thought to myself,
I'm a bee keeper. I've got three hives that are
outside the house, and there's nothing nicer than in the
morning having coffee outside with them. So it's a love
(43:42):
for them. If one's hanging around that shouldn't be where
he is, or he's come over to see me, I'll
go and take him to the hive. Or if it's
a you know, one's absolutely knackered on the floor and
I can tell he's.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
Knackered on the floor, I'll go and put him by
the hive. So for me, that's what loves.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
That is what it's you know, that's what love should
be on every form. It just makes you a.
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Better person, you know.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
You know, yeah, Well, Dolorus Cannon, keepers of the Garden,
that's exactly what we are. Funny enough, I called my
my cat Custodian after after Doloris's book custodians because she
says it as well, because if you go into past
life stuff as well, that she that's how she started it.
And then people started saying that they were aliens and beings.
(44:30):
You know, if you start going down that way, down
that route, Well, my god, you know, you can be Jesus,
you can be not dharmist, you can be beings, you
can be anything. I mean, it's hypothetically, I mean, it's
it's just expands. Like you say, You've got a plethora
of features there that you can expand to to you know,
to it.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
But the flip side of love is.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
Well, we know the flip side, it can go already wrong.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Okay. That another way, the danger of love taking it
too far and becoming a helicopter mom, right, and we've
got we have that problem here in the United States.
You know, these kids sometimes, you know, they need a
little discipline. And I think that true love is allowing
(45:22):
your children to grow into the mistakes that they make
to make them better people, allowing them to fall down
over and over.
Speaker 3 (45:34):
And over absolutely.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Until they you know, steal the keys to the to
the corvette, and hell, we might need to you know,
intervene and so where is that line? You know, how
far is too far? Is a really interesting question. Would
(45:58):
aliens allow us to blow ourselves up in the in
the because there's so many different intelligences recorded visiting us
that it doesn't bode well. You know, if there was
just one, then you could think, you know, wow, we're
the other guys, so we're neighbors. Would be really we
want to take care of these folks. We need to
make sure that they survive and thrive. But if we're
(46:21):
just one of thousands millions of different civilizations, what's one
and one? Let's go over. Let's go visit the planet's ylon.
See what's happening there. You know they haven't blown themselves yet.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
Everyone could be on the verge of everything. But we
have thirty seconds. Is there anything you'd like to say?
And I'd absolutely love to have you back, because I
mean there's I've got questions that I haven't even asked
you because we went as you say, you got thirty seconds.
Speaker 3 (46:53):
Anything that you'd like to say, Thomas, look out.
Speaker 4 (46:55):
For the book A Humans Guide to Visiting Alien.
Speaker 3 (46:58):
Okay, so I'll I put that your renegade? Do I
what lenked you? Well, if you send me a link,
i'll put the link on.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
We don't have a link yet. I'm editing the book, Okay,
that'll come out, you know, and i'll put it out there.
People who are interested will definitely be aware of book
and where to find it.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
So also, are you talking are you describing other banks?
Because if you are, you can you can ask me
a few questions. I'd love to answer them.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Oh yeah, terrific. Yes, absolutely, we're interested in who these
beings are. You know, it's not just about these little
gray dudes. Y.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
No, I'll tell you what I think a lot.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
You know, a lot of people say that the Gray
started with Betty and Barney Hill. It's not true. These
are completely different descriptions of completely different beings with completely
different objectives. So so it gets a little, you know,
it gets more and more interesting the deeper we go.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
Well, i'd love to chat with you. I'd love to
have a smoke with you as well, but I can't,
so so listen hopefully part two. Thank you very much, Thomas.
I know it's mid afternoon for you, but thank you,
and thank you for talking cars as well, because I
know always fun.
Speaker 4 (48:12):
I get I get excited about this stuff. I'm get
excited about talking about, you know, myself or movies or
what my latest project.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
There's more to you.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
This get gets me going.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
So thanks all right, listen, Thank you so much for
joining us on the Naked Truth, and I look forward
to part two with you have yourself a merry Christmas,
Thomas and I will speak to you soon. Take care,
Bye bye bye bye
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