Gender Warz World Wide Episode 12- "Is The Healing Journey Weaponized?"

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You already know what I do on this app. Don't
play with me, bro, it's too early for this ship. Yo,
Wolf floor, fucking wolf floor. Y'all wait till we get it.

(00:26):
Pop here. It's gonna be a good topic today. I
like these topics. When I'm gonna win. I'm inviting the
family and the friends. Dude, Layla, you know what it is.
Oh my god, you the first one. Hereez, you're the
first one.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Here for days.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I know that you ain't gonna what we're doing, Layla.
I'm just vibing.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
I want to get with you on the other stuff.
I just need some time to put some things together.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Of course, you know we're gonna make We're gonna make.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Out of a situation that I'm trying to smooth over there.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's all good, I mean by everybody here now the ship.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
I've been talking about your outside stuff more than i've
been talking about your room.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
But no, that's good.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
But I know are really like more into that.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Of course I can help out so many people. I
didn't already did it a lot, but I like, you know,
these conversations always fill me with good laughter. Facts. Cute
black house wife, come up here. It's gonna be a
good conversation today.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
You feel me, I'm gonna be pinging it up.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
How are you feeling today? Good morning?

Speaker 5 (01:37):
I felt so refreshed on how your favorite How are
you feeling?

Speaker 6 (01:40):
Beautiful?

Speaker 7 (01:41):
Good morning?

Speaker 3 (01:42):
I have to tell you in that other room I
was trying to I got a call, Oh you're fine.

Speaker 8 (01:47):
Yeah, they were.

Speaker 5 (01:50):
I'm going to give you a fall.

Speaker 9 (01:53):
Yeah. They was so lovely, and I was like, oh,
there's some good people's in here and let me just
you know, hang out.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
You might not like me after a while when I
speak my truth.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
You know, I like honest people, even when I don't.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Like people are like I'm usually the quintessential pick me
as far as everybody's going.

Speaker 9 (02:15):
I've got a couple of pick me friends, and I
got a couple of feminist friends.

Speaker 5 (02:19):
I got friends of all.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Listen, I mean, speak my truth. You can let you
don't have to agree that.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
I feel that on a deeper level.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yes, I just had a conversation about that. We were
talking about how much energy it takes to pretend you're
someone else, and I'm like, you know, I'm cool on that.
Like I've got to put my energy into my author
I said, My greatest flex is my authenticity. Right, So
like I refuse to put energy into being fake because

(02:52):
that takes up all of your time and energy.

Speaker 9 (02:54):
So I to be honest with you, I'm not a
good liar, and I'm not saying that to be like,
oh my god, I don't ever lie. No, I mean genuinely,
I'm not a good lie. You have to actually practice
lining to be good at it. So like yees come
to find is that you know, I am good at
masking and code switching, but I get so tired and
now that I live a life where I don't have
to do that, Yeah, I'm not gonna kid you girl.

(03:16):
The last job I worked at, I was telling them
people about themselves. I worked for the seventy seven year
old white woman who was like just like Blazian, I
mean Awasian Japanese are white, and she was she was
in business for thirty three years, so she was doing
dumb shit shit that was like it was just stuff
that was like costing the company money.

Speaker 5 (03:34):
And I told her about herself.

Speaker 9 (03:36):
I was like, jod ain't b because she was yelling
at me. I got a verbally abused there for like
three weeks before I started the.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
Same make sure you tap into this topic too.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Retarded, that's why, because they don't have to communicate that
they didn't and they don't know themselves. So half the
people that do that ghosting thing, they don't even know
why they're doing it. I don't even know they're crappy communicators.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
Like I've ghosted a few people in my red and.

Speaker 9 (04:07):
Yeah, but like now you're better, right, you know what
it is, I don't go all right.

Speaker 5 (04:11):
I put it like this.

Speaker 9 (04:12):
I do friend breakups. I do formal breakups with friends.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Friend breakups. It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
I love it, Yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
You know what tell us about that, the friend breakups.

Speaker 9 (04:23):
So if we've been friends for six months or more,
I'm gonna do a formal review, and you could do
a formal review and we could tell each other where
we went wrong, because basically, what the friend breakup is
is like a last resort to save our friendship. And
if you don't make it through a friend breakup, then
we're just not gonna be friends. So I've had several
long term friends that I've had to do a friend

(04:45):
breakup with. Yeah, but if you have not been around
me long enough, I'm gonna ghost you. I'm gonna tell
you why, because some people just want to argue.

Speaker 10 (04:54):
You want to, I cu you mad.

Speaker 5 (05:01):
Some people just like to.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
I think some people are just mad all the time,
like you gang binging on bacon really every day exactly.

Speaker 5 (05:10):
But yeah, people.

Speaker 9 (05:14):
Like Danny Phantom, Danny Phantom, Danny Phantom, like, I will.

Speaker 5 (05:20):
Danny Phantom that I ask if I need to. But
I don't have a problem.

Speaker 9 (05:23):
If you come to me and you say, why why
did you do? I'll tell you. But yeah, Danny Phantom
not asked. Because some people I've had stalkers and ship
some people you just.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Got to So what's the danger of that cute black house.
Does it get to the stalks level? Did you get
up like you overstep their boundaries? Let's get into that
all right.

Speaker 9 (05:40):
So for example, I have this one chick. She was
from the church, a chick, a chick, three males, and
like two female stalkers. This is in real life, this
is not we met at church. She came during cod
like right before COVID. So when COVID we all start

(06:00):
going to church online and I'm down here in Virginia.
So anyway, she was like she was one of those
people kind of loved Bomby, kind of like, oh my gosh,
let's be best friends now. Mind you she was she
was kind of single, kind of not like she was
in this on again, off again fifteen year relationship with
web sweetheart, you know. And she had just came back
from Thailand. She had been teaching in Thailand, and you know,

(06:23):
she was like, she was really cool. She was like
a professional, like, uh, heavyweightlifter, you know, like a competitive
weightlifter type shit.

Speaker 5 (06:31):
So anyway, she wanted to go out. I'm going out tonight.
She always wanted to go out. I'm like, girl, i
am not single in either of you. Where the fuck
are we going?

Speaker 9 (06:39):
She always wanted to take me and the other married
chick out. We were both housewives, and she was I guess.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
You know, oh, try to get some.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Luckily for us, but unluckily for her.

Speaker 9 (06:51):
Me and my friend were both introverts, so and we
had way too much.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
Shit to do.

Speaker 9 (06:56):
She was the other girl was pregnant and I was
just busy, so I was in here pool at the time,
so I was like, I don't got time for these.
She's like, I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm one
of those friends. I might hang out with you maybe
once a week, once every two maybe once a month.
I'm really not a high needs friend. You could call
me every now and again and I'll be fine.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
I have friends that we.

Speaker 9 (07:16):
Go months without talking because we were all in the military.
So you go underway, you go months without talking, and
you talk again. It's like nothing ever changed. So when
this girl, I guess she got overly attached to me.
Within six months, she was screaming at me in a restaurant.
I didn't do nothing to her.

Speaker 5 (07:31):
She was screaming at me.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Left right there.

Speaker 9 (07:35):
I left, and then I called her the next day
and I told her, hey, I don't want to be fir.
I didn't even call our text her because I didn't
want her to scream at me again. I said, I
will not I'll know no longer be your friend. Because
we're in the same church. I said, listen, you stay
over there, said the Lord, and I'm gonna stay over here.
We could serve the Lord on different sizes of the hoe.
And she cussed me, and I was like.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Okay, so quack, I got a question, sack, wait hard
is it to cut your friends off friends part right
like instead of like? Because I know people like you.
Sometimes you gotta ghost people. Sometimes you have to know.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah, she I went months without talking to her.

Speaker 9 (08:14):
I left the church. Me and my husband both agreed.
He said he didn't want to be there anymore. We
spoke to well. I left the worship team. After I
left the worship team, the pastors came concerned because we
told them, hey, this is what's happening. It wasn't really
just about her. There was other stuff going on in
the church that we didn't like. So then why does
this lady pop up at my house unannounced, like two
or three months later, just popped up like a fucking maniac.

(08:38):
I didn't know who she was because she looks very
similar to the house white friend. They have very similar
bill skin tone and hairstyles and height. They're both kind
of short. But I couldn't see her through my ring camera.
I thought it was my friend who had just given
birth to her baby. I go outside, it's this bitch.
I was like, what the fuck now?

Speaker 5 (08:55):
Mind you my neighbors outside, so I didn't want to
just go back inside.

Speaker 9 (08:58):
She's like, hey, can we talk? I said, okay, Now,
I'm not about to buy her into my house. So
I said, we can talk to your car now. Mind you,
the last time I had talked to her, you know, uh,
she had yelled at me in public.

Speaker 5 (09:09):
So I'm like, look, we could go into private and
talk like otherwise I would have talked to her outside,
but you're not about to embarrass me in front of
my neighbor's bitch.

Speaker 9 (09:16):
So we get in her car and she's like, I
think we should be friends again. I said, what the fuck?

Speaker 11 (09:23):
I said?

Speaker 9 (09:23):
I thought you didn't like me. She said, I never
said that. I said, yes, you did. You said it when.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
You was yelling at me in the fucking white people's bar.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 12 (09:32):
She was like.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
She yelled at yes, girl, there was it was.

Speaker 13 (09:37):
There was only two or three and the white bars.

Speaker 5 (09:48):
In front of the waitress is serving us.

Speaker 9 (09:50):
You know we we we she yelled at me. And
then she was like, we're gonna pray over the food.
She prayed, the most nastiest you ever had someone pay
a passive aggressive pair, she said, And Jesus, I hope
you help those who are hypocritical, And Jesus, I hope.

Speaker 14 (10:05):
I was like, oh.

Speaker 15 (10:07):
My god, listen, this is why I don't trust people
to this day, to this day, to this, I don't
trust people.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I'm looking for is when do you know when it's
the right time the ghost. I know that, you know,
we all love communication. We're gonna you know, we like it,
But when is the right time to be like hmm,
all right, this ship ain't working and this person doesn't
get there. I'm coming from. Thank you for coming up

(10:41):
a k bag. Let's continue to this conversation. Pick, there
is any words you want.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
To say for me, I'm not a ghoster. I'm telling
you I'm leaving. But at the point where me holding
to my standard is a problem for you, that's kind
of the for me with anyone, so like friends, family, whoever. Like,
I have to be able to live my life by
my standards. And if that's a problem and it's causing arguments,

(11:11):
I'm good. I can love you still from over here,
especially with family, right, but we're not going to interact
too much.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I like that because it's like you can love people
from a distance. Later like more people need to normalize that, right. Yes,
it's because me, I got into the industry at like
a high level, Laila, and I've had to cut people
off from a high level and say you know what,
I got to love you from a distance. I'll send
you my well wishes, right.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Yeah, And I have people like that in my life
right in that industry who've been very successful. So when
I make moves, those are people like my oldest friend
has been very successful, and like I protect him in
my relationships because I don't he I have too much
to lose if I can't live by my standard. Nah,

(12:04):
you have to protect your network too.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Protecting your network, I appreciate that. If you got are
just now join in Tuki Mi k Fredo bag Ak,
cute black housewife. Appreciate you guys, not your brother for Sean.
We're talking about why do men and women ghost each
other instead of communicating? Anybody can jump in or appreciate
you guys, if we can continue this conversation, jump in.

Speaker 16 (12:31):
Like sometimes you just gotta Sometimes people are dangerous, right,
so if you give them too much information then you
know it's it's risky. Sometimes you just gotta just feel
like it's just easier just cut off communication, like you know,
and some people could take ghosting better than outright rejection.

(12:54):
You know, some people can't handle rejection, So if you
ghost them, disappear by the time they realize you reject them,
or they get through thinking about it, they done already
got over it.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
So so don't you think that fuck up people's mental though?
Don't you think you should keep it a hunting and
communicate my bro and let's just keep it well, like, okay,
I we're adults, right, we're all over the age of
twenty one. We should be able to communicate with each other. Brother, right,
But people ghosts because I feel like they have communication issues,

(13:26):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 16 (13:27):
It's not about that crazy like some women, if you
tell her you don't want to talk to them no more.
Like let's say let's say you smash right and pussy
was trash, you don't want to talk to the no more?
What you want telling her I don't want to talk to
you more because the couchie was trash, or you're just
ghosted if you tell her you don't want to talk
to him no more because the couchie was trash. Let's
say she crazy and you're gonna you have a break

(13:49):
through your wishield. So it's better than just the ghosts ass.

Speaker 3 (13:55):
So I would I would say ghosting a person like
that will be a crazy Your situation. See, that's the thing, Like,
I think people like that that can't manage themselves in
a general sense, you might trigger something that's even worse
by not communicating. And you don't have to say the
reason why. Like you have a right to choose to

(14:16):
not have someone in your life, like you just not
for me, or like we're not connecting in the way
that I want, or like whatever you have to say.
It doesn't have to be a mean thing. But like
you have a choice of who you have in your circle.

Speaker 9 (14:28):
Can I ask a question, does a person's level of
maturity depend determine whether you will go some or not?

Speaker 5 (14:34):
Because that's how.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
That's a good question.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
One, that's a good question about that. Are you here
with me?

Speaker 12 (14:46):
Yeah, yeah, I'm here yet.

Speaker 17 (14:49):
I think it's the opposite, though. I don't think it's
the person's maturity that determines their reception. I think it's
the maturity that determines the communication from the person who
needs to communicate what they need to communicate.

Speaker 18 (15:05):
Right.

Speaker 19 (15:06):
So, yeah, especially if someone's invested, or they feel some
kind of way, or you made them feel some kind
of way, I mean, you don't owe it to tell
them you feel differently but a good communicator and a
kind person would do that, right, So it just seems.

Speaker 20 (15:24):
Like like Bagdad he was saying, some people just they
want to be hurtful, right, they want to trigger somebody,
y'all like that, y'all like when girls be acting like
that makes y'all feel liked.

Speaker 18 (15:37):
So yeah, that's allotoxic.

Speaker 16 (15:40):
I feel like telling them right that you rejecting them
is more triggering than just ghosting. Like ghosting is like
they don't hear nothing, so they don't know what it is.
But if you just tell them, like people can't, especially women,
like a lot of them cannot handle direct truth, it's
better to just ghost them and then they are baby.

(16:01):
They think about it for a while, they've been moved on,
they were in a whole nother situation.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
They ain't think about it the moment.

Speaker 16 (16:07):
If you tell them in the moment, they mad, it
might be a reaction.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I find the opposite is true.

Speaker 21 (16:15):
I find that back in the days, I used to
ghost people all the time and it took forever to get.

Speaker 5 (16:20):
Rid of them.

Speaker 21 (16:23):
Yeah, so as of late, you know, past fifteen years.
You know, I'm forty one now, So I would just
tell them what it is but I would do it.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
I'm not here to hurt the feelings. You know.

Speaker 21 (16:36):
I'll say something like, listen, you know, I don't feel
we're really compatible. I thought about it. You know, it's
best if we just go a separate ways. You know,
more power to you. You know, I wish you the best,
and I just leave it like that. And for the
most part, it usually works out well. You could do
it in the text, you could do it in the call.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
You know.

Speaker 21 (16:54):
However, it might be depends on what I see there.
Their ideal and the communication is I'll just give it
to them in that way. But other than that, I
find that trying to hold off and not tell them
now in different places is different. I'm in New York,
but when I go to the South, I understand what
this brother is saying. A little of some of those

(17:15):
women are a little bit more irrational, so they might
they might do a little bit more craziness. But I
found that even with the Southern women.

Speaker 11 (17:24):
The dog just say that Southern women are more irrational
than New Yorkers.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Nah, I'm not really I believe it or that it's true,
bro or wait.

Speaker 9 (17:39):
I want to push back on that, and I also
want to push forward on that.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
So the way I want to push back on that
is I don't.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Think that that's true.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
As a New York woman, I think we can be
very irrational.

Speaker 11 (17:50):
But what I will.

Speaker 9 (17:51):
Push forward on is that I do think the communication
styles of the South involve ghosting because Southern communication style
is based in passive aggressiveness, whereas New York communication style
is based in assertive or aggressiveness.

Speaker 16 (18:07):
But the reason why is in the South, like up North,
guns are in everybody got a gun. Everybody everybody and
they mama got a gun. So all that direct suck
my dick and all that. You can get away with
that in New York you cannot get away with that.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
In the South, you gotta be nice.

Speaker 16 (18:26):
Ast you can throw a little shade, but all that
direct shit gonna get you killed quick.

Speaker 17 (18:31):
So listen back, dad, is nobody's trying to kill you
just because you don't want.

Speaker 22 (18:36):
To talk to them anymore right now?

Speaker 23 (18:40):
If you lie to them and you tell them you
love them and.

Speaker 19 (18:45):
You want to ma'am and do all this stuff just
to get the kuchie, and then once you get the kuchi,
now you ghost to them.

Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yeah, they might some kind of white my hand.

Speaker 16 (18:55):
Up on my hip went, well, what if you didn't
know you wucci sometimes having the guci.

Speaker 19 (19:05):
That's what I don't understand is a lot of women,
most women, for the most part.

Speaker 18 (19:10):
We value our bodies.

Speaker 17 (19:13):
And we're not just out here throwing the kuchie around.

Speaker 18 (19:19):
We're not talking about we're not talking about transaction.

Speaker 19 (19:24):
We're not talking about transactional women who're giving it away,
who's selling it. We're not talking about them, right, We're
talking about you know, kind women who are nurturing, who
want to be a part of a family, and they're
dating with intent. Right, But y'all, y'all pick that woman
because you don't want the help who just give you

(19:44):
the kuchie or sell it to you.

Speaker 18 (19:45):
You don't want her.

Speaker 19 (19:47):
You go over here to the nice, kind woman who
you know, who's dating with intention. You lie to her,
you make her feel special, she believes all of your lives,
and then she opens up her legs for you, just
for you to say, oh, the kuchie was trash to that,

(20:08):
that's a giant trigger and then so and that.

Speaker 18 (20:11):
That's what y'all are doing. Y'all are lying.

Speaker 17 (20:15):
Maybe she was born with maybe maybe she came from
the long line of women with.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
Big Maybe you got a little dick. I don't think.

Speaker 24 (20:24):
Maybe, Like if you told a woman after you had
sex with her, I'm good, love, enjoy, that's not gonna
be a positive experience for anybody. She's probably gonna spread
rumors he has a small dick. Oh, he wasn't hitting
it right anyways. Like versus you ghost them, you know,

(20:46):
you just don't have to have that conversation at all.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Exactly. I feel like ghosting doesn't have to happen if
you guys are both mature. Let me come man, let
me get up in here, Let me get up in here.
That guy, but shan, I got you. If y'all got
communication with each other, that ghost and shit's not gonna happen.
There's something now Now, I'm gonna give it to all.

(21:09):
There's some people that you gotta shake. All this motherfucker's crazy.
I got to change my number, man, I might have
to change where I live, right. That's why I tell
y'all be energy. But that's why I tell y'all be
careful about the energy you spread. Energy is real. Y'all
spreading y'all energy everywhere, And they wonder why people get crazy, relaxed.

(21:30):
Not everybody deserves access to you keep yourself exclusive. Let's
continue this conversation. Why do men and women ghost each
other instead of communicate, coming to the table talking about
this shit? Being adults, Let's continue this conversation. Who p
the room up too, Let's go?

Speaker 17 (21:46):
My bad. I would just say one last thing before
go back to listen, and I'm chime in some more.

Speaker 18 (21:51):
But what you said, those stacks like, oh I have.

Speaker 19 (21:55):
To change my number, Oh I have to move listen
here right, I haven't been married my whole life, like
I know what y'all men do. Y'all have no business
in pardon my French, y'all have no business fucking these women.

Speaker 18 (22:07):
That damn good.

Speaker 19 (22:09):
See, I have to I have to tell some of
the young men in my family this.

Speaker 22 (22:13):
Don't like that. You want you want to put her head.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Through the through the headboard, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 22 (22:22):
You want to break break or couch. You want to
eat her across the floor, you know what I'm saying.
And then all of a sudden you don't want her,
and then you're wondering why she's stalking you.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
That's why I said, not you people be like they
spread their energy, so so vast a lot of a
lot of ship and do all this crazy ship. And
I wonder why people is outside your house at threem
knocking on your door. It's tricky. Who else wants to
jump in?

Speaker 24 (22:56):
Okay, we can even take it back a step further
some You don't even have to fuck her down like that.
If you take a woman out on a nice date,
open the door for her, show her how a gentleman acts.
And if she's not acting like a lady and you
decide that you don't want to talk to her anymore,
she might still exhibit that same kind of behavior.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
Like it depends on the person.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
I have definitely seen people crash out over someone being
nice to them.

Speaker 17 (23:30):
I never over dinner, but I'm telling you what I
have stalked him over that.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Sounds like territorial right there, Leila, what you said? What
you just said, Like, because there's a lot of men
that I know that I'm like real cool with the territorial.
Like you're not touching that, don't touch that, don't even think,
don't even look over there, you know what I mean?
Like that's not even a that's not even an option
for you, Like do your eyes like you shouldn't even
have eyes, right, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,
I don't know, it's different.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
We did a game in our house on Clubhouse called
Cup and Shuffle and it was like a game where
you were faking a relationship with someone for a week
and it went left very quickly.

Speaker 12 (24:15):
What went wrong?

Speaker 3 (24:16):
People? I'm like, I kept saying, like, you know, you
would like get together and talk about how the person was,
like oh this person really nice, very attentive, blah blah
blah blah blah. And I'm like, people were really crushing out.
I'm like, y'all know this is a game, right, Like
you're not really in a relationship with this person. And
it was it was bad, possessive really like, oh this

(24:40):
is my person now and I'm like, y'all have never
met in person. It's a game like social media game.
But it definitely went left badly. People aren't mentally well.
I don't think.

Speaker 24 (24:57):
I think being territorial can definitely be a problem.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
M And I want to hear why tell me, ak
why why you say type can be a territory can
be a problem.

Speaker 24 (25:08):
Right, So yeah, like if we're not in an established relationship. Like,
let's say we went on two dates and now you're
asking me like, oh, who's calling your phone? Where are
you going? What are you doing? Like that might be
information that I feel like you're not entitled to. So
if you're acting a certain way, I might just in
the communication right there, and I don't have to tell

(25:31):
you you're acting crazy.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
So I'm done with you.

Speaker 24 (25:34):
I can just be done with you. I don't owe
you that after two dates. I mean, if we've been
in a relationship for like six months, you can't just
go someone and into relationship. But if we're just talking,
you don't owe someone that explanation of why you're done
with them.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
So hold on, so Ak, I got a question for you.
When do you feel like it's necessary for that person
to have that access? Because me, I don't know what
she's saying. For Sean, I'm getting this your first day.
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
I don't know what she's.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Talking so much. But when is it necessary for you
a K to have this communication or here, there's no
problem you can have that why you know what I mean?

Speaker 24 (26:18):
When he defines the exclusivity of the relationship.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
I agree, I agree, I agree.

Speaker 11 (26:24):
Yeah, why would he?

Speaker 24 (26:25):
Though I think that's a question for the men. I
don't think that I can answer that.

Speaker 11 (26:32):
Actually, yeah, but when you when we when we set
parameters on when we choose to do something based on
somebody else's actions, we have to have a reason for that,
like and so, like, what would be what would prompt
this man to say I want to be exclusive with
you when he has an experienced exclusive type of examples

(26:54):
from you? Like if women struggle with this like everywhere,
it's not just like communication is everything. Women be like
I will do X when he is fully committed or marriage,
and it's like, why would he fully commit or marry
if you're if you're, if you're you're reframing or retraining

(27:16):
those those committed activities for commitment, A man will have
to be a flat out idiot to be like, I'm
gonna commit to her, uh before you know, knowing if
her communication, if she's if she's a comfortable and clear communicator. Yeah,

(27:40):
I'm just saying, like, you know, this is something that
people get really confused, But I don't, don't you you
you suck. You're afraid to talk to me?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Now I do.

Speaker 11 (27:50):
I think you're going to have the balls in it
in the in the class to talk to me like
and and and and To be clear, I'm not saying
that you need to tell somebody who's calling you on
a second date. That's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
But also just ghost.

Speaker 11 (28:08):
It's never a reason to ghost. That's that's what I'm saying.
You can deal with that, you can you can address
that it didn't make it clear that you don't you
don't fuck with that, and you know you can also
let them know that a because of the reason X
Y and Z, I don't think it's good for us
to move forward. But just not talking to somebody that's

(28:30):
not a them, that's a you problem. If I'm if
I'm afraid to tell a woman anything, that's a me
fucking problem. And in fact, I expect this from women,
right It's it's a shame, but I like it too
as a profile. I appreciate to see how uncapable they are.
But a man a man ghost and is the wildest
shit in the world. I mean, I expect certain weak
ship from women, but for men to do I'm like, oh, this.

Speaker 25 (28:51):
Nigga got no balls, That's what I was saying.

Speaker 11 (28:54):
This niggas a cheater. Niggas that goes women are cheaters
for sure. Off the top niggas that ghost women are cheated.
The niggas is unfaithful niggas. They are way too comfortable
with keeping secrets and not and not addressing. Come on, stack,
I'll tell I'll kill a woman on my on our
first conversation. I want two waves. You think I'm fucking ghosting, bitch?

(29:18):
What the fuck I'm afraid for?

Speaker 1 (29:27):
They?

Speaker 26 (29:27):
I don't know?

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Man?

Speaker 11 (29:28):
She crazy to me.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
And we talk all the time about men standing on
ten for their principles, Like your principal is standing on
who you are? Like how are you a man that
can't communicate? Like I don't like you or I don't
want to be with you, or I don't think we
should move forward? Like how are you not able to
say that? And it says a lot about like the
strength of your character.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
To me, this might sound messed up. I don't know
if I'm both sound like me. I think men need
to get used to rejecting women more personally.

Speaker 9 (30:02):
I think, as someone who has been rejected a lot
in life and it's made me better. I think there's
a lot of ain't.

Speaker 11 (30:10):
No man rejected you not not stop the cap. I
go from Wow, I wasn't.

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Always a cute black housewife.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
God, that is such a complimentary.

Speaker 11 (30:23):
You say, some fire ship. Indeed, you back stupid.

Speaker 8 (30:31):
He's right.

Speaker 21 (30:36):
That it's only the men that she really wanted probably
rejected her. But the eight hundred guys in her friend
zone didn't.

Speaker 9 (30:43):
Well, I dated a lot of great guys. Don't get
me wrong, I didn't have all this trauma.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
I'm just saying.

Speaker 9 (30:49):
I'm a New York girl. So I've shot shots. A
lot of women do not shoot their shot. I don't
shoot my shot.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
I see some fine, some fine thing. He look good,
and he's intelligent, and he's a little nerdy.

Speaker 12 (31:04):
I'll shoot my shot.

Speaker 5 (31:05):
That's how I got my husband. Yeah, he shot his shot,
but I also shot back.

Speaker 9 (31:08):
I'm like, okay, do you know how many women try
to try and sneak him away from me? They was
like they trying to flirt with him. Mind you, he's
oblivious to flirting. He don't really he like.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
What I was like, girl this. I had this one
lady when he was.

Speaker 9 (31:22):
Moving out of his apartment. She's like, oh, you're stealing
it frim from us. I said, yes, exactly. That's exactly
why I am stealing him. Why y'all had him for
a year, y'all didn't do shit. I told her right
to her face. Yeah, I am stealing him and smiling
just as big and white as I am right now.
That's why I got him, because I have no problem
telling him, that man that he's fine. But let me

(31:43):
tell you, I think that men should reject women more
because I think the ghosting sometimes comes from a fear
of rejection. See, women ghost, I'm not gonna say all
the time. Okay, women ghost a lot of times out
of safety. Man ghosts a lot of times out of
I just don't feel like talking, you know.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
That's what I've noticed.

Speaker 8 (32:03):
Gosh, just bab no, it's.

Speaker 11 (32:04):
Just bag.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Fear of rejection. Fear of fucking rejection. All right, If
you guys are just joining, we're talking about why do
men and women ghost each other instead of communicating? Why
can't you have enough heart to sit down with this person,
talk to the person to get through what you need
to get through, a lot of y'all are scared of that,
scared of communication, Leyla, you were saying it earlier. It's

(32:30):
not adult like. Come, let's come together, let's sit down.
But a lot of y'all are burning people. Fuck it,
I'm out of here. And then, Nacho, what was you
saying earlier? They're dragging women across the floor doing all
of this stuff and then wondering why they have a
stalker on their hands as well. I want to continue
this ping the room out and share the room out
to more people. Right, make sure y'all join the telegram

(32:51):
gender wars at the top building right now. I appreciate y'all.
Let's continue this shit, man, let's go. We want to
jump in next. Why do men and women ghost each
other instead of just communicating? That's what I want to know.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Let's do Yeah, I just want to say.

Speaker 19 (33:03):
She said that men need to get used to they
need to normalize the rejection.

Speaker 18 (33:09):
What it is is they need to normalize.

Speaker 19 (33:13):
Rejecting as soon as they feel it right, because you know,
within a few minutes.

Speaker 18 (33:18):
But they don't.

Speaker 17 (33:19):
They just keep her around because maybe she you know,
back in the day, my brothers and my cousins, they
would they ran game on these girls.

Speaker 19 (33:28):
Every girl would do something different, bring the flody she
had the load, or you know, she gave the head
or whatever. But y'all, y'all keep girls in your little
hairm or your stable right because their utilities, and then
you reject them once they're no longer utility. And so
y'all need to normalize rejecting them, letting them go. As

(33:49):
soon as you know she's not the one. As soon
as you know she's not the one, you need to.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
Whatever it is she does.

Speaker 17 (33:58):
If she if she walks crazy to you all the sudden,
like hey, sister, hey, hey, you know this isn't it.

Speaker 12 (34:07):
We're not gonna be you know, let her know right then?

Speaker 11 (34:13):
Ain't nobody rejecting no throat godmn his gifts from God,
first of all, second of all, second of all, not
being the one that does not deserve rejection like you.
She don't have to be the one. She's gotta not
be bad, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's crazy.

Speaker 27 (34:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (34:33):
If you do one that takes time right away, it's
fucking crazy. I don't know ship right away. I don't
know ship in six months. That y'all be letting the
podcasters the internet tell y'all that men knowing six months
don't know man, no shipp in six months.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
I'm gonna give you some pushback for sure. You want
you want to as soon as we lock ey, you're
talking about walking, cy yo. Hold a hold a hold
a hold a hold on, hold up because you know
me and Mac was talking about this ship last Hold up, man,

(35:14):
hold up, hold up and let me cook, Let me
cook man. Listen, as soon as I see you and
you get me the look, this is a certain look
right as soon as we give each other look, I
live in your skin.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
Skin this ship.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Bro, Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (35:35):
You don't know what bro?

Speaker 11 (35:38):
No, you know I don't get a bush bullshit. You
know you know you crack nigga, that's it. You know
you want to crack. Listen, listen, that's bullship.

Speaker 27 (35:54):
Man.

Speaker 11 (35:54):
If that was the case, we see a lot. We
see a lot more long lasting relationship started early and
live and lasted a long time. But that ain't what happening.
I feel you.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
I'm just different.

Speaker 11 (36:04):
These motherfuckers is pretty and y'all horny.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, I don't piss off.

Speaker 5 (36:11):
What about the love of boys?

Speaker 8 (36:16):
I like you and I want.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
The love boy?

Speaker 11 (36:24):
Hey, exact you my nigga said, I won't you.

Speaker 18 (36:32):
And I want we can do this the easy way.

Speaker 16 (36:39):
Crazy, but two things you gotta do for you really
know a woman, tell her no and then making him mad.

Speaker 11 (36:49):
Man talking you talking crazy earlier, but you talking.

Speaker 16 (36:55):
No, you know, and she you know, and she don't react.
You know where you know you can't handle it, you know. Okay,
she might be the one, But if.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
You ain't never pissed off yet, and you ain't never
told her no, you.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Do not know she the one.

Speaker 11 (37:07):
That's a fact. That's a fact. Fact that's gonna that's
man the dating handbook, one on one right there.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
I hear y'all. But as soon as she breathes and
back to an eyelash, that's as soon as I hear
you breathe.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
In love with the way girl.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
Bites her hopes like, that's so good.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Fuck it ain't picking the room up? Shut her room out?
Why do men and women go see each other instead
of communication? Okay, that's get your ass up here. Let's
talk about it. L f A. I appreciate you doing.
That's why I kind of let's go, let's continue.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
I kind of like.

Speaker 16 (37:55):
Drama a little bit, like especially if like if her
friends don't like you, you get to see how you
handle that. So if it's some type of drama or trauma,
like like, I want your friends to hate me because
I want to see if you listen to them.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
So yeah, prioritiz I think interesting.

Speaker 11 (38:23):
My man to pick the quickest suggar on the app.

Speaker 18 (38:25):
Boy, I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 11 (38:27):
I'm gonna tell you, boy, I don't know how you
get to the button so quick quick.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
I got the check.

Speaker 11 (38:33):
Check London.

Speaker 12 (38:35):
Yeah, I don't got much time.

Speaker 17 (38:36):
I gotta go to work at a minute.

Speaker 12 (38:37):
But don't be the explanation.

Speaker 23 (38:42):
I don't care.

Speaker 12 (38:43):
Like people have their own personal reasons.

Speaker 28 (38:45):
People go through ship and I just don't feel like
I'm older the things and I don't owe you anything.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
So I'm trying to I'm trying, that's yeah, I'm just
trying to hear your mic.

Speaker 28 (39:00):
I'm like, I got I got ADHD, I get this.
But anyways, yeah, I just I personally just don't care.
I feel like if you don't align with me and
you feel like you don't want to be bothered with me,
you can choose that, and that's okay. I'm not gonna
lose any sleep.

Speaker 8 (39:17):
It's not gonna hurt my feelings.

Speaker 28 (39:18):
I'm not gonna not eat if I'm still gonna go
to sleep at night. I just don't care. And I
also don't feel like I really owe that to other people.
I feel like we have to be uh more aware
of ourselves everybody walking around with them so fucking great.
We're not all great people, you know what I'm saying.
And sometimes people can see right through your bullshit. So

(39:39):
and that's okay. I just I just don't operate my
life feeling like I'm old in explanation of why you
don't want.

Speaker 27 (39:44):
To fuck with me.

Speaker 28 (39:45):
But also I've been in my relationship since twenty eighteen,
so I haven't had to deal with this, so you know,
I don't know. More power to the people who want
to reason why people more private, to the people that
gotta harp on the reason why somebody doesn't fuck with
them or like them.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
That's you know, I couldn't.

Speaker 28 (40:01):
I couldn't break my life like that.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
I think it's less about the entitlement of the person, right,
and more about the character of the communicator.

Speaker 23 (40:08):
Right.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
You just have to have a baseline of I don't
think that, and I just finish my point. It's not
about the other person being entitled to something, right because
so so no, no one should feel entitled to anything
from you, right, But as a person, having a baseline
of respect for people is important. So it's really about
how that person moves and less about what the other

(40:32):
person is entitled to.

Speaker 12 (40:35):
I just don't.

Speaker 28 (40:35):
I just don't do that as respect. I mean, I
don't feel like you have to explain to me or
communicate to me why you don't want to talk to me.
Like that's just like somebody's telling me to smile when
I'm walking down the street. I'm not entitled to smile
at you because I'm walking down the street.

Speaker 29 (40:48):
I don't.

Speaker 28 (40:48):
I just feel like we as people are to wrap
up on what we feel like people should do. I
don't feel like and life people have to do anything.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
I don't have to do anything with the black and buy.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
You know, I was definitely speaking from the other person's
point of view, so I feel what you're saying, or
I wasn't rebutting in your point either. I was just saying, like,
as a general rule, what we have going on now
is a bunch of people that don't respect anyone or anything,
and part of respect is just treating people with respect.
In general, Ghosteing someone is not respectful, right, just in

(41:23):
a general baseline human respect. So that's I'm talking about.
How like, So from my point of view, it's how
I want to move in my life. I want to
be a person who's deemed respectful in my to myself.
So when I look myself in the mirror, I want
to be able to say I'm a respectful person. So
I move in the world that way, and regardless of

(41:44):
what other people do or think I should do, or
think they're entitled.

Speaker 18 (41:47):
To from me.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
In the end, at the end of the day, I
have to lay my head on my pillow. So I
want to be respectful to other human beings. So I
just think we have a bunch of couple generations now
people that don't hear about doing that.

Speaker 28 (42:02):
Yeah, I just would never consider that disrespect I don't
feel disrespected when i'm gonna and that's probably why I'm not.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
I'm not like it's disrespectful, but I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 28 (42:11):
Yeah, that's but that's a personal thing. That's a personal thing.
I's just personally like it's some but it's not like
to me, it's not. It's just life like, this shit happens.
Everybody's not gonna like you. And then You're not gonna
be everybody cup and seat and you. If you can't
accept that, then yeah, it's gonna feel something. It's gonna
make you feel some type of way. I already accepted that.
I understand that. I'm like, I'm only thirty years old,

(42:32):
and I've completely understand and accepted that. I just don't
feel like it's disrespectful. And I never feel disrespected when
somebody doesn't want to fuck with me, or they don't
explain why they want to fuck with me, I don't
need an explanation, not caring.

Speaker 11 (42:43):
About So this is the cool the cool thing about
human like society, right like, not minding like, not being
affected by someone's disrespect doesn't make the disrespect not disrespectful.

Speaker 6 (42:59):
Right like.

Speaker 28 (43:00):
But you can't determine what I feel disrespect I know,
I say you can consider talking other people.

Speaker 11 (43:11):
You literally asked everybody to give you a minute so
you can get it off my mind. We love that
we gave you the space to get it off because
we heard you a couple of times really clear. So
now I'm just talking to the space that you've created.
Just talk talk about into the question to the room.
And the beautiful thing about words and concepts is that
respect doesn't need to be perceived or accepted or did

(43:33):
not it stand alone. And it is in fact disrespectful
to go somebody because typically the ghost to go somebody disappear,
I e. Stopped communicating. It means that a line of
communication was had for some period of time in the
back and forth, and somebody communicated with you or me,

(43:54):
and and I stopped responding to them, and in conversation
is was definitely disrespectful and rude to stop talking to
somebody that's talking to you, that you that yet that
you've been giving the space to talk to and you
just don't respond. And it's as Kay Dusty said, it's
pretty cowardice and weird, you know, not to not even

(44:17):
let them know.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
Why?

Speaker 11 (44:18):
Now do you have to? Absolutely not. Motherfuckers don't have to.
We got people out here beating on women, kidnapping kids,
and stealing shit all the time. People can do whatever
the fuck they want, but it's still a crime. It's
still horrible, right, And ghosting fits right into the space
of you have the freedom to do it, but it's
not it's not a good character.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
No. You said it right there though, bro, because that's
what I wanted to add on to what you were saying.
It's not good. I know you don't give about it,
but next person might not take it the way you
take it. You understand, so I know you've got that
pay Oh yeah, it ghost and I don't give a
fuck about it. But if we've shared time, we've been talking,
we've got that communication. And with both adults, if you
can't tell me that you're leaving, that it is.

Speaker 28 (44:59):
The p when it's coming, I just personally, because I'm
about to leave, I gotta go clock in. But I
personally just don't feel like I don' would not feel disrespected.
That's a personal thing. Y'all can feel disrespected by that.

Speaker 5 (45:10):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
It's about it. It's about safety.

Speaker 16 (45:15):
You you sometimes you just gotta put less information out
and it's just a it's a safety mess, that's all
it is. So go to somebody sometimes safer than speaking
to somebody. Yeah, the most respectful thing do would be
to to to go to them in person and sit
them down and tell them exactly how you feel and

(45:35):
all of that. But you don't know how they gonna
react to that, So like that's just disrespectful.

Speaker 11 (45:45):
Back then, what're you afraid of? Game?

Speaker 30 (45:47):
Like?

Speaker 11 (45:47):
What what are you protecting like from a woman? Because
we I'm just talking about in a dating like what
would you as a man be protected by responding to
a woman or let her know that you are no
longer interested and communicating work?

Speaker 16 (46:01):
You're protecting yourself, You're protecting your energy, You're protecting your
your belonging, tecting you know, your peace, whatever.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
You're protecting that what you're gonna do to you?

Speaker 8 (46:12):
Guys?

Speaker 16 (46:12):
Women are dangerous like women can't can't hurt you or
set you up like women ain't. Ain't you know nothing
dangerous because they're female?

Speaker 31 (46:24):
Because they got but ghosting you, she could still set
you up.

Speaker 11 (46:27):
If that's that's why I'm laughing, But.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Got the time to think about It's like she's wondering,
she don't know.

Speaker 11 (46:36):
That's the more reason for her to pull up your
first of all, why are we ghosting people that know
intimate things about us?

Speaker 16 (46:43):
That's what that's That's what I'm.

Speaker 11 (46:44):
Saying, Like if she know where you live and work
or where you can be at, it's that's more. That
means you got more invested into her to where damn
pull up? Why not tell her. That why you don't
want to talk to her.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
But I don't tell. I don't tell the woman I'm
talking to everything like I got stuff.

Speaker 5 (47:03):
Like he got secret.

Speaker 11 (47:05):
So what's in danger? Like whether she whether whether she
can fuck your car up or she can't.

Speaker 8 (47:11):
No, like she.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Know what's necessary for us, but she don't know the other.

Speaker 11 (47:18):
Stuff I got going There's nothing dangerous.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
No, this nigga be cheating.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
That's what you were saying for time. He got a secret,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
I don't think.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
She don't know all the stuff I got going on.

Speaker 11 (47:37):
But I'm convinced any man that that ghost is a cheater.
I don't care nobody. I might be wrong. You might
be there that.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
I don't cheat because because I can. It's like I don't.

Speaker 11 (47:53):
You can't even cut her off when you don't like her.

Speaker 16 (47:55):
You for yeah, I could jump into another relationship just
as quick as as got hurt, just as as I
leave her.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
It's plenty of women that want to know.

Speaker 11 (48:04):
All that confidence when you tell them you don't want
to talk to it no more. These things are the
same book on the same. No, I'm scared.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on what are y'all scared.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
Of whenmen are scared of I'm scared of everything and every.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Female.

Speaker 5 (48:31):
Bro, what you say you're scared of everything?

Speaker 2 (48:33):
That's a big Like I'm the leader. I moved like
the president. If the president supposed will proof and the
security beat that face? It is it intelligent to have security?

Speaker 1 (48:57):
To be security.

Speaker 18 (49:00):
Terrible?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
I'm human, but you know I'm afraid of women afraid
of everything.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
You're a real man, she's you're not You're not gonna.

Speaker 11 (49:15):
Be an He picked a character this morning. He just
entertaining us because he don't mean it's impossible. He's seriously
protecting myself.

Speaker 31 (49:29):
Why you think it's impossible, because we got we got
people that.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Be that ass serious. You know, people from all types
of different walks of life, coming from all creases of
the cracks of these people are who they are.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
I don't know if somebody knock on the door, I
do not ask.

Speaker 16 (49:49):
You know what I'm saying, Like I don't get mailed
at the where I laid my head, Like I'm moving different.

Speaker 31 (49:55):
So people are afraid like that always make me wonder I.

Speaker 12 (50:00):
Done people.

Speaker 31 (50:08):
People who are afraid like what he's describing. I'm always curious,
what what what do you be doing in your life
that you have to be so afraid of the world.

Speaker 5 (50:19):
That's not normal, striving good, cheating as he's.

Speaker 26 (50:25):
No, I don't, yeah, I don't believe that.

Speaker 32 (50:31):
So let's say, let's say, if you're in a relationship
with somebody, yes, he deserves.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Hold on, hold on, I don't interrupt you.

Speaker 32 (50:42):
If you're in a relationship with somebody exclusive, absolutely give
them closure. Right, Let's say you don't. I think you're
with man. I think it's very childish. I think it's
very inconsiderate, amongst a bunch of other things. Right, However,
if you were just talking to somebody and yeh, I
don't even have a rapport, she's not obligated to give

(51:06):
me closure, No, am I, we don't even this, ain't that?
That ain't that sweet woman? Exclusive. We didn't make an
agreement that we are each other. So that's yeah, that's
that's just being nice. At that point, you don't have
to You're not obligated to give somebody closure that you're
not with exclusively.

Speaker 9 (51:25):
Now, mister maclick, can I say something completely off the cup?
You sound just like my older brother, mister maclint I'm
gonna go ahead and save your voice.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
I'm playing for him, so you can tell me if
you sounded.

Speaker 8 (51:34):
A huge I'm just like my older brother.

Speaker 11 (51:36):
That's kind of crazy.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
I've been listening to you talk for three years and
I never noticed that.

Speaker 11 (51:39):
Ship immaculate man, Peace to the God, Piece to the girls.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Man.

Speaker 11 (51:47):
That's interestingly peculiar, because why not. Like the beautiful thing
about humanity is like we don't have we don't have
to do nothing. Like it's not entitled, but it's it's
it's it's proper. Uh, it's etiquette right, it's good etiquette right,

(52:12):
because it's like if if, if, if, if she was
good enough for me to have a line of communication
with I'm talking to her because I want to continue
something and then so we both on the same page.
She want to talk to me because she want to
see where it goes. I want to talk to her
and wanted we're trying to see where it goes discovery,
and now I realize I no longer want to discover.

(52:34):
So if our energy and frequency is tailored in the
same direction, that means we have a continuous agreement. When
the agreement change, it's only proper etiquette. And on manhood
is good to be Like, I no longer consent to this.
This is not working for me, So you can properly
displace and do what you need to do and shift

(52:55):
your energy and understand like whatever, I'm just ending it.
Maybe you maybe I don't need to tell you why
for Y'all'm gonna tell her why, because that's the step
niggure I am. But I maybe I don't need to
tell her why, but she least need to know that
I am no longer engaging in this conversation, just like
y'all hear me sometime when I be talking to people

(53:16):
in here and they getting crazy and I go crazy
with them, and then you sometimes y'all hear me, I'll
remove consent. That's me letting them in. Y'all know, I'm
no longer talking to this motherfucker. It's just good etiquette.
Like we're done here now. If you want to keep
responding to me, you go ahead, but I'm done here.

Speaker 32 (53:34):
So I agree right with that premise because you said
y'all had an agreement. Right, Once we have an agreement,
it's where to not give them closure. I'm alluding to
y'all been talking two days, three days, Who are you
strange of danger? She's not obligated to give me closure,
nor am I now if we have a report right

(53:55):
what you're alluding to, that is absolutely we're going to
give each other.

Speaker 26 (54:00):
That's proper etiquette and back yard.

Speaker 11 (54:04):
I think two days. I think two conversations is a
is good enough. Agree.

Speaker 8 (54:08):
But I don't know.

Speaker 11 (54:09):
Maybe I'm crazy, but I talked to I'll talk to
baby girl on the phone two times. That's that's a
social agreement. Boys. Hey, but I'm probalyboys, I'm just not afraid.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I just I just I just don't mind.

Speaker 11 (54:23):
I set about the black house, I just don't mind.

Speaker 33 (54:26):
Man.

Speaker 11 (54:26):
I find this to be a not like I don't
know if Devi is still here. But this is something yeah,
you know, brother, this is something that monogamous people struggle with.
It's it's not common amongst what we've seen with like
the conversations non I mean ethical non monogamous people. We
like communication is such a big part of our lifestyle,
like that, not not talking to people, like not telling

(54:50):
somebody you don't want to talk to them no more.
It's just not even a thing.

Speaker 31 (54:55):
I don't even think it's a monogamy thing. I think
it's it, y'all, don't shoot me?

Speaker 12 (55:00):
And they get the character thing.

Speaker 31 (55:02):
There's there's a lack of certain character traits that lead
you to believe, oh, this is perfectly fine for me
to just stop talking to this person even though we
said an expectation of communication, and then I'm just gonna
stop communicating. That's that's a character flaw.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Imagine you're standing in front of someone having a conversation
and you just drop out of the conversation.

Speaker 6 (55:25):
Yea, the.

Speaker 8 (55:29):
Weird, weird.

Speaker 9 (55:32):
I don't mean to sound rude or nothing, but we
ever heard of the thing called the Irish goodbye?

Speaker 27 (55:36):
Do we?

Speaker 5 (55:36):
Do we think that we are?

Speaker 9 (55:37):
I mean, we can only speak from where we're from, right,
do we think that this is a very like Americanized.

Speaker 5 (55:41):
Way of looking at relationships?

Speaker 9 (55:43):
Because I heard of that Irish goodbye and I was like, damn,
I do be Irish goodbye and people, and I'm talking
about platonically, like when when my back, when my social
battery dies, you know, when my social battery does listen.
My husband is Greek, and Greeks never say goodbye. Greeks
will say goodbye for another three hours. They're saying goodbye,
and they're saying goodbye, and they're saying goodbye, so I'm

(56:05):
like bye.

Speaker 31 (56:08):
I think you have to consider the the context though
it's called the Irish goodbye, because that's something that the
Irish people do.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
You're not Irish or you're not hold me hostage and
some ship that I don't want to that I don't
want to do, and not for nothing.

Speaker 9 (56:28):
But if I block you, ain't at the end of
the conversation, because why the fuck are you coming to.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
My house, knock on my door, ringing my ring camera
and asking me shall we do?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
We're not friends. I blocked you.

Speaker 11 (56:45):
So that's the different thing. And that's that's what the
London was alluding to. It's like, I don't care if
you don't talk, Like sometimes no no response is the
biggest response, right, and that's fine, Like, that's that's the
one I have to deal with it, right, you not
responding to me. I have to immediately process to oh,
this person no longer wants to engage. I acknowledge it

(57:07):
as rude and cowardice, but I also take it as
a win, like, Okay, that's that's over, move forward, right,
I have the capacity for that. I didn't lose anything.
I got exactly what I needed from that rather no
matter how long or how short. Right, but it's still rude,
like I'm you know what I'm saying, Like I can't
be bent out of shape. I think I think what
you're talking about, what other people are alluding to, is like, oh,

(57:29):
you know, people, people people, people still want to they
need closure and now you know, you stop talking to them.
They don't get the hint and they be hitting you
up and you gotta block them. Yeah, that's weird as well. Right,
everybody's weird here in this scenario. I'm weird. I'm weird
for walking away and not saying nothing. They weird for
chasing me.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Now that's a fact. Real quick. Look, if y'all are
just joining, we've been talking about the ghosting of men
and women in relationships. I need my mind to do
me a favorite share, get back into the topic because
I want to get some new voices, some new faces,
some new ship in here. Where is the transparency in relationships? Also,

(58:11):
my brother Corey has been hitting me on the back
end and saying that somebody got him blocked out of
this room. So if y'all got Corey blocked doctor Heimothy,
make sure y'all unblock him. But I'm gonna do one
reset and I'm coming back in. Where is the transparency
in relationships? Think about this before y'all just jumping and
oh my god, you know what I mean, think about it.

Speaker 34 (58:42):
I don't blakes are out and behind and you just
trying to doll me right, y'all wanted to that mask
on God, I'll run with something money all that folly
harden and go money college falling like yan because yigas
bro's yond need guys on side. Body, y'all money got

(59:03):
you nobody. Money's gotty.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
Stop by.

Speaker 34 (59:09):
I smoke like body, I say fucking fu like I
don't want to go here. Hardy was a relationships like party,
I haven't.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
Called at the day time when you're far the night time.

Speaker 11 (59:20):
She just gotta party. Why she thinks she's party?

Speaker 34 (59:22):
Hey, old time playing and and like my bitch a
she five and down the shide.

Speaker 8 (59:27):
I'm tired.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
Then p your whole miss like I need y'all to
use the arrow and just ping everybody out. But where's
the transparency in relationships? I heard y'all talking, but it
sounds like a lot of people be lying to people
in relationships like y'all don't know how to sit down
and keep it one hundred and just go to the

(59:48):
person and be like, you know what, I'm finished. This
ain't working, y'all. Just some people are running out. But
then you got some people that are mature, like, yo,
you know what, this is what it is, and this
is what it's gonna be. You stand doing business. I
want to continue. You should pink tickets and if you
gotta pink tickets, so that way you could be a
part of the gender war.

Speaker 6 (01:00:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
I'll be sharing the telegram so that way you guys
can join it. Also join the media mentors Megan Mansion,
so that way you can be in there when I
do business conversations, when I talk about social media, podcasting, cryptocurrency,
and a lot of other shit too. Ping the room out,
share the room out. Where is the transparency in relationships? Yeah,
let's get back into it. Who's jumping in, who's jumping in,

(01:00:31):
who's next? The floors open, let's stuff sack.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Is it safe to say if you're weird on the
ghosting that you get whatever weird behavior you get in this?

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Yeah, But like you get what you receive. You know,
it's a law of attraction out here. You put out
where energy what you think you're gonna get, You put
out that good energy, what you think you're gonna receive.
I feel like y'all forget about the law of attraction.
I feel like y'all forget about you know, energy and
all of that shit. Yeah, you put out that bad energy,
you're gonna get it. And if you put out the
good energy, you're going You know what I'm saying, always

(01:01:00):
wish the best. I look at the best in situations.
Some of y'all look at the best that you know
the worst in situation. It's on to what you're given
to the situation depends on what you get out. Let's
continue this conversation with the transparency.

Speaker 9 (01:01:16):
On the transparency, I think transparency. To talk about transparency,
we got to talk about trust. A lot of people
don't trust each other, and for good reason and sometimes
for bad reason.

Speaker 12 (01:01:28):
Gentlemen.

Speaker 9 (01:01:28):
Earlier was talking about, uh, he don't tell everybody everything
when you be dating them.

Speaker 5 (01:01:33):
And that's fine.

Speaker 9 (01:01:33):
You don't need to be sharing your cell phone, you know,
with someone you just dating and stuff that's not necessary.
But at what point you know, to Jan's question earlier,
at what point does a man decide, Okay, it's time,
it's time to be vulnerable, and how do we use
our wisdom to come to those conclusions so we could
better protect ourselves from weirdos and people who are not

(01:01:56):
properly aligned with us.

Speaker 5 (01:01:59):
I don't want to know why y'all niggas told mysterious
and shiit people's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Mysterious, mysterious. So you came across some mysterious shit talk
to us?

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
So I, honey, fun, she real cool. She my day
one and I was talking to her.

Speaker 9 (01:02:19):
And I was like, oh, I seen y' such or
such and such. Now, I'm a type of person I
might notice some shit, I might not say nothing. I
saw she had a ring on in one of her
pictures she sent to me, Okay, a little selfie. I
was like, okay, girl, you know I know she been
with her baby's father.

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
For a while.

Speaker 9 (01:02:36):
Then she came out recently, like a month ago, and
told me, yeah, I got married. I was like, girl,
why do you try to be mysterious? I said, I
respect you for your privacy. She's like, I ain't even
told my dad yet. I said, girl, what I said?

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
Why you ain't tell your daddy, like you know? She
she young, She like twenty twenty two. I'm like, why
you ain't tell your daddy yet?

Speaker 18 (01:02:55):
Like didn't he?

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
She said, yeah, my father.

Speaker 9 (01:02:57):
My husband asked my father for permission to marry me
and he gave his permission. That we just never told him.
I was like, that's strange. I think that's very weird,
but I'm not judging. I just think it's an unnecessary,
like complication that you don't need.

Speaker 8 (01:03:11):
To be having.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
So I just want to know why you'll motherfuckers be
so mysterious. Why not be hiding ship?

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Keeping ship to.

Speaker 11 (01:03:18):
Yourself daddy is crazy? And I was like, man, I might,
I might write, I might write you out the trust
fucking around like that with me, Like that's crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:03:38):
You know nothing.

Speaker 9 (01:03:38):
She never said, at least that she never told me
that he's a good daddy.

Speaker 5 (01:03:42):
He divides things for the baby's a grand baby. So
I'm like, look, and.

Speaker 9 (01:03:45):
You don't think And they're Latino and Italian, so I'm like,
you don't think your your dad wants to know that
you're married.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
You don't think you want to know that?

Speaker 11 (01:03:55):
She just went got he loved at the at the courthouse. Yeah,
I fucked with that, but like not telling dad, Like,
that's that's crazy, I said, when.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
You're gonna tell him, She's like, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:04:08):
I'm like, you don't know's you know, my daddy died
before me and my husband's wedding.

Speaker 5 (01:04:14):
I would have and I don't want to project.

Speaker 9 (01:04:16):
I would have been so elated to have him be there.
But once he died, I really didn't care about a
wedding at all.

Speaker 5 (01:04:24):
I was just like, Okay, he's gone, Now, whos gonna
get me away? My husband's father gave me away. God
bless him.

Speaker 11 (01:04:30):
But yeah, praise to the most.

Speaker 9 (01:04:32):
Yeah he's a wonderful, wonderful man. But you know, I'm
just like, not telling your daddy when he does spend
all this time.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
And money and energy on you and you love him,
and he loved you. He not abusive or nothing like.
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:04:46):
Y'all be mysterious.

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
And I think the niggas and the women, oh sorry,
the gentleman and the ladies are mysterious too.

Speaker 11 (01:04:54):
Y'all are mysterious too. When when is when is transparency
in the relation and ship like necessary? Black houseway?

Speaker 9 (01:05:05):
When immediately now there's levels. You know, think about an
opacity if you if you like to edit videos and photos,
you know what I'm talking about. When you who that
opacity by you go to the left and to the
right right list list little go over to the left
and reveal yourself. You need to reveal yourself and one day,

(01:05:26):
because if.

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
You reveal yourself too much, I might think you crazy.

Speaker 9 (01:05:29):
But I think from the get go, I watched this
show called Indian Matchmaker on Netflix.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
From the get go, from the first date, they're like,
what do you want? What are you doing? What are
your plans?

Speaker 9 (01:05:39):
A lot of people that think that sounds unromantic, but
to me, that's like the most romantic thing you could
do for me.

Speaker 5 (01:05:43):
It's just tell me what the hell you want so
I can either get on or get with.

Speaker 11 (01:05:48):
That's a good analogy. I've been doing media for a
long time and I've never used that analogy as far
as spirit.

Speaker 6 (01:05:54):
But I like that.

Speaker 9 (01:05:55):
I'm steal I give it, I give you you could
you could coin it if you want. I got loads
of them. I think that, you know, it's important to
let men you know. I like to let men know
right away. I'm a different I was a different type
of dater.

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
I like to have fun.

Speaker 9 (01:06:11):
Dating is not fun anymore for a lot of people,
and I hope and I pray that it becomes fun again.
It just sounds like a chore.

Speaker 5 (01:06:18):
Dating is supposed to be fun, Like is this true?

Speaker 8 (01:06:21):
Is this a chore?

Speaker 26 (01:06:22):
Is what she's saying?

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
True? Bad? K? Yes, Yes, let's switch up. Let's go bro,
let's let's happen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
I don't know about the chore.

Speaker 16 (01:06:33):
But transparency, I think you should be transparent on a
macro level, but not on a micro level. Right, you
should give people the overall you know, uh thing, But
spacine gotta get all into specifics all the time.

Speaker 11 (01:06:50):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
It's just.

Speaker 16 (01:06:54):
As long as they they get the picture, the details.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
You can keep the details yourself.

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
What is that?

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Okay? I got bills? You're telling them what.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
You know or.

Speaker 30 (01:07:16):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
It's just such.

Speaker 16 (01:07:19):
It's a knowledge is power, so you know, you know
when you the more knowledge you give out about what
you got going on, the more power you give to other.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
People to influence what you got going on.

Speaker 16 (01:07:40):
For example, just whatever, like it's whatever. Like if you
tell somebody what you're planning and they know something about it,
or they know somebody that you need to help you
do x y Z. Then if they want to hate
on you, they can go ahead of you and try

(01:08:00):
to throw salt on what you're trying to plan and
go tell the other person it's x y G and
x y G and then the plan fall through. Why
because a hater knew about the plan. And I don't
even know who the haters are. So sometimes you can
tell a friend and they might.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Tell a hater.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
So that's what you meant when you said you're afraid
of everybody.

Speaker 9 (01:08:22):
It's not necessarily like afraid in the sense of like
traditional fear. It's more so like you're cautious of everyone
equally across the board.

Speaker 16 (01:08:32):
Yeah, and not just And I might know a person
is sincere in their friend, and they might have They
might know somebody who's a friend to them but not
a friend to me, about me to this person, and
this person might start working against me.

Speaker 21 (01:08:54):
But my viewpoint is you can't tell every woman the
same thing, because some women are chameleons. They're going to
adapt to whatever you say, to adjust to what you
want to do. Men will do the same to women.
And another thing is you when you pretty much try

(01:09:14):
to engage with each woman. Like I might start off
and say, yay, I do this, I'm a prompt engineer,
I'm this, I'm that, I'm this, and then some women
they say that, oh, they feel inadequate, or they try
to I had this problem with some of my exes.
They'll try to act smarter or put something. I'm just

(01:09:35):
your babes, be yourself. There's no need for this. So
what happens is it almost kills the relationship. So what
I've learned is I meet people where they're at. If
I know I'm on level ten and that person's on
level three, I stay at level three. I might show
you a little bit level four, but I'm not moving
up to level seven because it's going to affect everything.

(01:09:57):
So I ultimately learned that you have to tweak it.
And even women, some women will say, you want full transparency,
you want full transparency with information. However, you know intimately
when you sleep with a man, you don't come with
your A game from day one. We do the A
game from day one. We see y'all a game a
year and a half later, you know, I'm like, oh,

(01:10:18):
I ain't know you.

Speaker 25 (01:10:18):
Had that trick.

Speaker 21 (01:10:19):
Yeah, I was saving that. Oh okay, I see. So
there's there's transparency when you when you're when you're when
it benefits you, so to speak. So I understand that
the game, but you cannot be fully transparent with everyone
because that's why for me, I feel as a man
is mature because back in the day, yeah, we was

(01:10:41):
able to.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
However, it's not the same way.

Speaker 21 (01:10:45):
Back in the day, we knew this woman she might
have one maybe another guy she's talking to, but she's
shown me so much attention. We're around each other all
the time. It's a different feeling. Now she might be
talking to three or four people. So you're not wasting
your good energy giving all your information to this person
that might ghost you. So it's like, what was the

(01:11:07):
what's the point of you know, really giving that much
of yourself out there.

Speaker 11 (01:11:12):
Yeah, so that's more. That's more of that, like that
whole fear thing and again and appreciate your submission, brother,
But you know, again, for men, it's peculiar to hear
like this, I'm going to restrict what I give to
protect myself on like simple things like even when you

(01:11:36):
opened up, Fredo, you was like, you know, restricting from
the beginning because he might use it against you. You
we don't supposed to be getting super intimate stuff early on.
But like as a man, like I understand, women don't
understand this because it's not in the like, they're not
built like this. But as men, we go outside in

(01:11:57):
the world in dangerous we're supposed used to have the
wherewithal and ability to discern what it's safe and what
it's dangerous. And that's what people with with with people too.
I'm always perplexed by men that are in danger from
talking to women. And what it really points to is
that we don't we don't be having things in our

(01:12:19):
life that we've dealt with that we're over that can
no longer harmss. You know, y'all remember when y'all seen
eight Miles and and Eminem and the opening battle just
start crashing out on hisself left. It left his opponent
nothing to really bite on because he had already embarrassed himself.

(01:12:40):
The dude didn't have nothing to hurt him with. And
as men, we post to stuff outside and have very
little that people can hurt us with, you know, And
I just don't, you know, I don't get it, like
if I when I'm talking the phone with a woman,
it's way too early for anything I can have conversation
with her with for her to be able to harm

(01:13:01):
or use it against me. First of all, I ain't
no woman more more witty or wiser or more like.
She not so much on game that she about the
game be over, like I'm not getting bamboozled, And I'm
more so looking at men, like what type of life
y'all living with these? No shade to the sisters, but
women ain't that fucking bright bro on a day to

(01:13:22):
day basis. They not clever enough to fucking be swindling
you out your bread or putting you in danger. Not
not no man that's paying attention because it's kind of
like the same things that I'm saying about women. Oh,
these guys are tricking, Like most of these niggas not
not clever enough to trick you out your fucking draws. Baby, girls,
every nigga not that fucking clever. Like every time you

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hear a woman tell the story it's about a nigga
that got over on her. I'm like, whether you an
easy fucking liquor all these niggas are amazingly clever, and
I doubt it's the last, so I don't know the transparency.
In fact, as a man, I feel I feel like
brothers should be so okay with who they are that

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they can speak to a level that most women would
perceive as deep, but that's not that deep for them personally.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
I so we can talk to the new title.

Speaker 21 (01:14:18):
Absolutely, I respect that, and I agree with that to
a point. Not everybody deserves your full energy, you see
what I'm saying. Not everybody like you can say the
same conversation. Like if someone else would would give me this,
Like if it wasn't you Stack or anyone in the
room or to give me this, I would just not respond.

(01:14:39):
But you know, it's some people you can give a
little bit more energy to. It's not being fearful or
running from it. It's all right, Yeah, she said this,
All right. I'm not telling her. I'm not telling her
to side of myself because I already have the history
of understanding this type of individual from my history has

(01:15:02):
reacted this way. So therefore I'm not trying to jump
down that rabbit hole. Let me just shut up in
this case, let me just tweak it now. I'm not
telling her about this. Oh, I already see she's a
little she has a little ratchet side I didn't perceive
in day one. So yeah, so I understand your your
your perspective. However, you know I definitely don't give everybody

(01:15:25):
my energy equally, so thank.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
You for that share.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Why be with anyone you can't be authentic with? So
my pro I don't disagree with you that different people
are different, but like, why do you have someone around
that you have to tap dance for?

Speaker 11 (01:15:39):
That's I don't understand that because every woman, every woman
is different.

Speaker 21 (01:15:44):
You don't every woman is Every woman in this room
is different. I might be transparent with you, and the
next woman she doesn't have that same mentality. Everybody's different.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
So you're you're I'm not you afraid of but I'm
asking you, like, I agree with you, every woman different,
and I agree that their reactions will all be different, right,
but why do you have anyone in your life that
you have to tap dance for?

Speaker 11 (01:16:08):
That's my question.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
It's not about the women being different. Why would you
obtain retain like someone that you have to like move
around like that where you can't actually be your authentic self.

Speaker 21 (01:16:19):
Because we're talking dating So if we're talking tender apps,
if we're talking you know, meeting someone at the bar,
it's a it's an instant speed situation. So it's not
necessarily that they're in your life for the long haul.
You might have met them that day. We're talking different scenarios.
So in this case, it all depends on the scenario.
I might have met them, had two conversations with them,

(01:16:41):
and then realize, ah, this is not it, and just
kept it pushing. So it's not necessarily they're they're in
for the long haul. They might just be in for
that for that season, for that moment we just we
might have just started having conversation and I found out
that they're not the one for me, so to speak.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Damn wow, thank you for that, Fredo, for Sean. Everybody
that's saying ping the room out, share the room out,
do men and women know how to love without possessing?
I see some of you guys overstepping your boundaries, going
over the top. You know what I'm saying. You can
love from a healthy place too, without possessing and being

(01:17:29):
over exertive. Let's talk about this shit. I'm gonna keep
the floor open, ping the room up, share the room up.
We're on the wall floor right now, right, let's continue.
If you have a pick ticket, cash it in. Do
men and women know how to love without possessing? Who's
coming in first? The floor is open, popcorn Star, Let's continue.

Speaker 18 (01:17:55):
I guess.

Speaker 35 (01:17:57):
For most people, and I think it's a note because
most people, and you know, we sit on this app
because we have like teen cheating.

Speaker 18 (01:18:06):
Rooms a week.

Speaker 35 (01:18:07):
You know, for most people, relationships about owning the other person.
So I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say it's a hard
note because that's the first thing people want to know
when a weak exclusive. You know, how soon can we
be exclusive? And then you know it's framing. Okay, once
we're together, I own you? So uh yeah, I'm gonna
say no.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Use a very strong word.

Speaker 18 (01:18:30):
I own property. I think that that's that's what I see.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
I own your mind.

Speaker 18 (01:18:40):
I'm gonna put I'm gonna air tag you ship joint
Facebook page. Uh, it's yeah, it's it's it's very it's
giving very uh uh you know, I ain't gonna monitor minds.
That's what people need, help people sleep at night.

Speaker 35 (01:19:03):
I hate that for him, and it sounds exhausting me personally,
I'd rather let people do what they want.

Speaker 18 (01:19:09):
To do so I can see what they were rather do.

Speaker 35 (01:19:10):
That's because either from somebody that just meant up to
my wife, I just do what you want to do
so I can see what you rather do.

Speaker 18 (01:19:17):
That's my answer. And I'm okay with that. But a
lot of y'all not, And it's exhausting you for y'all aging.

Speaker 11 (01:19:24):
Yo, you know what I find fun and stacks and delviments.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Good, good one.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Uh.

Speaker 36 (01:19:34):
I find funny because like when I entertained women, I
tell them I don't do the fucking I don't do
the social media. I don't want to follow your social media.
I don't do the sharing locations. They all wigg the
funk out of it.

Speaker 8 (01:19:49):
So I think I think snacks.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
This is very I think people do want to because
that shit. You know what I'm saying, what that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Sounds like spells now.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
I think men want not on their women on some level.
There's no way, like I'm not saying like controlling the
every move, but like a man wants to have some
level of ownership for sure. And if y'all think i'm
wrong to hop off, let me know.

Speaker 18 (01:20:22):
I mean some couples are so bad. I'm wondering, like, damn,
y'all share toothbrush and this is getting weird.

Speaker 11 (01:20:30):
Laila, Man, you know my child, Man, I most definitely
want my woman to give it, give it, give me
everything she got. Y'all want to call the ownership or possession.
I don't know what you want to call it.

Speaker 18 (01:20:43):
But she got it.

Speaker 11 (01:20:43):
She gotta want me to have it, all of it.

Speaker 8 (01:20:48):
I want.

Speaker 11 (01:20:48):
I want her to feel like given given. Whatever she
got to me is a is an honor, is in
a gift. She's thankful.

Speaker 6 (01:20:57):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
But women be out here saying that he don't clean
me like they want to be cleaned, which comes with ownership.
I don't understand. It's like a contradiction.

Speaker 11 (01:21:06):
Yeah, I don't know. I ain't never met I ain't
never met a woman that was really into a man,
that one that didn't want to completely surrender. You know
what I'm saying, a lot of these fellas just ain't
never been surrendered to. And I don't think they know
what it's like, you know, because a lot most women don't.
Most women don't. Most women, most women got the control,

(01:21:27):
Most women hold all the leverage, Laila, and that I
don't I don't understand the world today. Brother, Like most men,
most women is running around this motherfucker with the leverage
and the relationship. I'm like, how how to heal She
the person that's asking for all of the resources, got

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the leverage the game.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
Is I would love to Yeah, the pushback on the
right A.

Speaker 3 (01:21:58):
Mission is a choice, guys. It's she offers it. It's
not that he demands it. She likes him, so she
does it. She willingly participates in that. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 25 (01:22:13):
What off stack?

Speaker 37 (01:22:14):
Man?

Speaker 25 (01:22:14):
What's up?

Speaker 8 (01:22:14):
Man?

Speaker 38 (01:22:15):
I've been wanting to chime in to a lot of topics.
You've been saying, man, but you know, money before Mayhem's
But I'll say this, man, I'll say this with this
particular topic here, Man, possession. Thinking you possess somebody is insecurity.
It's gonna lead to a toxic relationship, and.

Speaker 25 (01:22:38):
A lot of people are. I mean, twenty twenty five
is a year of toxic toxicity.

Speaker 38 (01:22:42):
If you're not arguing once or twice a week or bickering,
then you think you're not valued in a relationship. And
I tell you, man, especially with the tropes of men
possessing women, y'all the women might as well be on house.

Speaker 25 (01:22:56):
Arresting with ankle bracelets means is wild.

Speaker 38 (01:23:01):
It blows my mind that you think you possess a
person that's a grown adult. The key to the cornerstone
to a healthy relationship is interdependence, not called dependence. That
means two people are healthy in their independence, so they
don't lose themselves in the relationship and they're able to

(01:23:23):
then prosperate progress on their own merits and then add
to the collective of the relationship. You know, that's how
that goes down.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
I definitely should have spoken who's next.

Speaker 21 (01:23:39):
Yeah, I definitely feel that when it comes to relationships
for me personally as a man, I definitely need that
to understand that my woman is on the same accord
with me and I'm on the same accord with her. Hey, babes,
don't go do this today because this might not happen
the right way. Okay, cool, that works out famously.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
No problem. I won't go do that. You know.

Speaker 21 (01:24:04):
She tells me, Hey, please please don't hang out with
you know, please don't go by by my job on
a Wednesday when I'm not there. I think my homegirl's
feeling you. I think my co worker is feeling you,
can you please not do that? Oh, no problem, babes,
I won't do that. I'm a respect that it's it's
not a possessed but it's a high level respect of

(01:24:26):
each other's wishes, you know, not saying like she's like, hey, babes,
don't do this business till now, babse, I gotta do
this business. Still, I feel confident in it. Okay, I
trust your decision, you know. So it's like a back
and forth ping pong of respect. But I don't feel
like if that's not there, I don't feel like it's
a possessive aspect like.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Oh I want to control you.

Speaker 21 (01:24:46):
But yes, I do have a level of you know,
you get You've given me the respect to give me
to respect and listen, and I gave you the respect
and I'll listen to you for ninety nine percent of
what we're talking about. So it's necessary for me personally
to truly love a person because without that, all this
new age mumbo jumbo I'm not with. I can't I

(01:25:09):
can't subscribe to that because I will never be able
to truly love someone who doesn't take heed to my
you know, guidance.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
So to speak.

Speaker 11 (01:25:22):
Yeah, Nikki, there, go ahead if you there, man shares
what your philosophy is without the big fry, what with
your what your opinion is on the topic.

Speaker 6 (01:25:34):
Blank?

Speaker 11 (01:25:35):
So I just came in.

Speaker 25 (01:25:36):
Can you give me like five minutes?

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
I literally just got through. Yeah, for sure, and you
know you know Stack not too.

Speaker 25 (01:25:51):
I gotta do an interview, bro, all right, I got you. Yeah.

Speaker 38 (01:25:55):
I was gonna add that usually these kind of things
and that may be misunderstood as possession or the other
things we've been talking about. It's really in your best
interest to earn any things out in the very beginning,
during that initial dating process. Give yourself a couple of weeks.

(01:26:16):
You know, it's an awesome thing to be able to
come clean in the very beginning. Be transparent, ask tough questions,
ask probing questions, and be serious about it. The most
of us think that it's all about having gained when
you're dating.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
No, it's not.

Speaker 38 (01:26:35):
If you are dating intently, it's time to be extremely serious,
focused and direct. If you're a man and you run
your house the way that you do, it's time you
let her know because she needs to know up front
how you coming.

Speaker 25 (01:26:51):
And be transparent about stuff.

Speaker 38 (01:26:53):
If you're the type of guy that's not gonna be
honest about your past history, or maybe you got an
issue with infidelity, Uh, it being your best interest to
tell her about your past transgressions and how you've grown.
All that kind of stuff had to be put out
there up front, and you know, to have some equal
footing and hold each other account.

Speaker 12 (01:27:19):
That's exactly what I said earlier.

Speaker 17 (01:27:22):
Just be upfront.

Speaker 19 (01:27:23):
Why can't you just be upfront as soon.

Speaker 6 (01:27:25):
As you know what it is? Just let her know? Right?

Speaker 19 (01:27:32):
Do men and women know how to love without possessing?

Speaker 18 (01:27:38):
And I told you kind of doctor, I was going.
I think the reason, doctor, alf you know better than me.
I think the reason people.

Speaker 35 (01:27:44):
Don't do it is like if I'm transparent, then they
won't want to deal with me. And that might be true,
but to me, it's like that's that's just a risk
that you run. But that's okay because you know, you
got knocked out of the running for being yourself and
that's okay.

Speaker 18 (01:28:02):
I think there's there's a certain amount of honor in that.
But you know, those things that you're.

Speaker 35 (01:28:08):
Not transparent on the about on the front end, they
just just to come out manifesting themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
Some kind of way.

Speaker 35 (01:28:16):
Uh laid down the line on the back end, so
it's gonna come out. It's just a time waste and
not doing so.

Speaker 18 (01:28:22):
But you know, that's just how I see.

Speaker 11 (01:28:27):
What's Nikki about to go? Notcha or what you just
calling for? What's she's a real person though I check. No,
she been she been coming in for days and she
she won't ever come on stage.

Speaker 12 (01:28:42):
Well she came up.

Speaker 11 (01:28:45):
She came up today, So we're making progress. That's you know.
That's that. That's that, that's the progress we was talking about.

Speaker 18 (01:28:52):
Everything came up to what's.

Speaker 11 (01:28:55):
What do you think about the title?

Speaker 39 (01:29:00):
I think initially I'm just like my girl brain wants
to say that when you love something, you possess it, right,
But then I feel like that it's kind of a
thing like you got to know when the hold and
when the fold. So I feel like it's a little
bit of both. You got to know you know how

(01:29:23):
to possess it in how to let it go. So
just like with a kid, you know, you got to
provide scaffolds along the way, but then eventually you have
to let them go as well.

Speaker 18 (01:29:32):
So I think it's a balancing act. He was a
great example.

Speaker 11 (01:29:42):
Yeah, you know to what Devin was saying, Man, you know, Nacho,
it's a.

Speaker 8 (01:29:50):
A lot.

Speaker 11 (01:29:51):
Most most people approach each other in the beginning from
a like in monogamous scenarios where they trying to they're
trying to sell each other on this idea of what
they should accept and like kind of shield or reserve
the things that they might be they might think people
might not choose them for. And to this point that

(01:30:15):
just prolongs this scenario, Like it's ideal to get the
uncomfortable stuff out the way as soon as possible, Like
when I when I was telling them brother early, like
he worried about like, oh, you know, I'm trying to
protect myself. No, I'm trying to get I'm trying to
kick you out of this thing as soon as possible.

(01:30:37):
Like we should be looking for reasons to disqualify each
other and not meaning that we don't want anything to progress,
and meaning what other reasons, what are the things that
could cause us issues later on? Let's just do with
that now, because in the event that you can show
me or I can be aware of the things that

(01:30:57):
could be troubling, and I show you the things that
could be troubling, and we those don't mean anything to
us or we were willing to work on it. Now
we get to the fund after that, and really what
that is is the standards. Like so many people not
y'all don't understand what the standards is like that we
be running around and trying to sprinkle our little preferences.
We'd be looking for our preferences and letting them and

(01:31:20):
letting the and letting the standards just slide by. Whatell
dough ray. And that's that's super problematic. But imagine, imagine
if two people come together and they and they both
meet each other's standards, which is the hard parts, and
now they can finagle their way through the preferences. Man,
that sounds that sounds like a really healthy fund scenario

(01:31:43):
because you got two things that you not budge, ten
things you not budging on. He got ten things he
not budging on, and y'all fit all that criteria.

Speaker 1 (01:31:51):
Man.

Speaker 11 (01:31:52):
Now I was just up from there instead of y'all
figuring out all the little preferences you're willing to you know,
you like, and now you're starting to get to these
these these are preference I mean, these standards and how
they fucking roadblocks and now you like you like this
motherfucker y'all been cracking for months and now you've done
renting something that you just can't get over, and now

(01:32:12):
you feel stuck. You know, you found out a motheruger
lied about their original intentions about what they was doing,
or about their lifestyle and their money and all this
other stuff, and it's like, why not even now even
threw away three months?

Speaker 35 (01:32:30):
So it's like we talked about you know, most most
I feel most people, but I just talk about men
in particular.

Speaker 18 (01:32:36):
Most men are looking for trying to look for a yes.
I'm trying to qualify as many as much yes as
I can.

Speaker 35 (01:32:44):
So the stuff that might give me a know, I'm
gonna sweep that stuff under the rug or you know,
kind of downplay it because I'm trying to get it yes,
you know, Versus what you and I talk about is.

Speaker 18 (01:33:00):
I'm tell me why I'm looking for the nose. Most
people don't look for the no. Why should I say no?

Speaker 37 (01:33:13):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:33:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 40 (01:33:15):
Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to give her a reason to
say no. And if I if I give her the
reasons to say no, is she keeps giving me yes
as well? And Okay, let's let's you know, she want
to she wanted to put me in the game.

Speaker 1 (01:33:25):
Coach.

Speaker 11 (01:33:31):
Yeah, floor is open.

Speaker 27 (01:33:32):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
We all what up though?

Speaker 11 (01:33:33):
Ray, so it's early. You can't open up with a laugh?
Nigga was.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
So is this a difference in the way that men
and women vet? Because I had a gentleman say, like,
women look for reasons to like the man, and then
when you bring him to the man that's vetting for you,
she's gonna look for reasons to get rid of it.
Does that sound about right?

Speaker 18 (01:34:05):
Yep, that's not just a.

Speaker 11 (01:34:05):
Woman thing, though men are doing the same thing. But yes,
you gotta remember, like most men can't afford to say no.
They can't. Most men cannot afford to say no to
a woman saying yes, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 12 (01:34:30):
So how did they get to that point?

Speaker 3 (01:34:32):
Because when the no is a serious no, right like,
then causes a problem leader like, how can you get
to the point where you see the red flag and
this is an absolute no and you have to say no?

Speaker 11 (01:34:43):
Even I mean you know that, You've you've heard me
before say, most men don't have standards, and most women
don't know what the standard is. Most gods can't afford
to have a standard God for man, that woman is
pretty and she's saying and she's posturing yes to him,
she's projecting yes to him. God forbid he having sex

(01:35:04):
with her. Man, and she fine to him above she Hey, look,
she can be an asshole. She can still He gonna
try to He gonna try his best to figure it out.
Like he's gonna work on it.

Speaker 18 (01:35:20):
He don't have any better options most of the time.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
So if it seemed to say when it was a rye,
you kind of knew it was going to go that way.

Speaker 11 (01:35:33):
Man, he was hoping. He was hoping that he can work.
He was hoping that you you you used to women
saying that, like, oh, I was hoping. I tried to
work on it.

Speaker 8 (01:35:41):
He a good dude.

Speaker 11 (01:35:43):
You know we if we can figure this out. Men
are doing the thing little boys is they like, man,
she's pretty as hell, and she let me have sex
with her, and she and she don't ghost me. She talked,
she talked back to me. She let me take her
out and pay her bills and take pay for her food.

(01:36:03):
She answered her phone when I call her.

Speaker 18 (01:36:08):
But Sean, what do you say all the time? Most
men are just hoping she doesn't get But she don't.

Speaker 11 (01:36:12):
Get no worse, Laylor, men, women women. No matter how
successful a man is, she is hoping that he gets
better a man. A man is hoping that she just
if this is the worst she's gonna get, just please,
if this is the worst, she is, hope she don't
disintegrate from this. He not even looking for her to

(01:36:33):
get better. Just don't get worse.

Speaker 8 (01:36:37):
Am Well? You risk of ruined at all trying to
expect for women to get better.

Speaker 1 (01:36:44):
So and then you're gonna say you're their dad, So yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:36:50):
You can't.

Speaker 41 (01:36:51):
That's the reason why I don't think a lot of
women truly want to be with the men they talk about,
because there's a certain standard like for that, you know
what I mean, Like I'm gonna hold you accountable the
shit you said you was gonna do for yourself, you digging,
I mean, you gonna start that little business.

Speaker 8 (01:37:04):
We're gonna start that little business.

Speaker 41 (01:37:05):
You've been working on your your credit, you've been minimizing
your consumption for dumb shit. Probably not okay, because how
you do one thing is how you do all things.
And most people are undisciplined. Most people are unfocused. Most
people have a very limited standard of what they want
is changeable. You diging what I mean? Like, I've seen
women on this app off this app in real life

(01:37:27):
at the park, you know, walking around the fucking waterfront.
Uh that say they not about to tolerate X, Y
and Z and start fucking with a man they like
and they want to be around they doing X Y
Z A B C one two three, red fish, bluefish.
So you know, Uh, it's it's an interesting concept, you

(01:37:50):
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:37:50):
Like I think that.

Speaker 41 (01:37:54):
People people are just capping nobody. Nobody is really looking
to be in long lasting relations because it comes with
a certain level of effort, and people are looking for
maximum results with minimum effort.

Speaker 8 (01:38:06):
That's it? Is it that?

Speaker 21 (01:38:09):
Or is it that most a lot of women are hypergamists,
like they're looking for the best, the next best thing,
and and a lot of men in a in a sense,
we're hypergamists and beauty because we're always looking for the
next most beautiful thing.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
So you think it might just be that we're always
looking for that next level.

Speaker 41 (01:38:30):
No, because most people aren't dealing with beautiful people and
most most women aren't dealing with rich men that are
the temper cent. Like, so the majority of people are
super average doing super average things. You think what I'm saying,
looking for the best out of the mediocres. That's that's
hilarious in general. You think what I mean? So you
know I think that you know when it comes. I

(01:38:50):
think a young lady posted a video about staying in shape, right,
and this whole big back, you know, this outlash about
men asking for women to be in shape, right, because
you know y'all, y'all know my things about fat man.
I don't take fat man's spirit, you know, figure too serious.
But there's ways to get around it, right, Like, because
my opinion don't mean shit. If you if you're a
fat man with a family man, you know you found it,

(01:39:12):
you figured it out. You dig what I'm saying. For
a fat man that's done, you know, managed to you know,
put yourself in a sit. But your health is still,
in my mind, comes before all of that shit. You
can't manage to operate.

Speaker 30 (01:39:23):
You know.

Speaker 41 (01:39:23):
The way that you are viewed upon with ther immediate
physical appearance is a is a is a thing. You
know what I'm saying, And for some reason, we've minimized
that to be in something that is pick it's a
bully of bull of fan, Like you're bullying people for
asking or wondering how come their standard isn't or their

(01:39:44):
standards stops with their physical health?

Speaker 8 (01:39:45):
You dig what I'm saying.

Speaker 41 (01:39:46):
So, you know, in a in a space where people
think they deserve the best, but they have like these
very minimal forms of engagement when it comes down to
the things that you can physically see and they say, oh, well,
you know a beauties in the Hoyle to beholder. You know,
your health is your health, Like I'm not debating with
no niggas about whether you should or should not be healthy,
and that's something that people debate. So you know, again

(01:40:10):
like the stationary standard is no standard. It's whatever the
fuck somebody willing to tolerate. And depending on who they're
tolerating from, you know, it might not be willing to
tolerate from you, but they people been tolerating it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
I think it's interesting that people don't see like the
health portion of it as like a lack of They
just like, oh, I just look this way. No, you
show a lack of discipline, you take care of yourself.
Like there's so many reasons, like so many other things
that are evident in when someone doesn't take care of
their body that but people seem to ignore all that.

Speaker 41 (01:40:47):
And now, but we got the fat man because I'm here, man,
you know what I'm saying. I'm here, I'm in the room,
and people are very doing things on a very minimal level,
you know what I'm saying, Like, if you don't take
care of yourself, with yourself is the immediate thing. Like
when I see people walking outside, I don't say, hey, damn,

(01:41:07):
that woman looks like she can type four hundred words
a minute. She sure looks like she her credit score
is intact.

Speaker 8 (01:41:13):
Like you know what I mean? You see people with
your eyes?

Speaker 41 (01:41:15):
You know what I'm saying. All that other shit doesn't
even take place unless we having a conversation. And why
would we be having a conversation if you look pissed?

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
Poor?

Speaker 41 (01:41:25):
I personally have found, just with my life and I'm
forty three, that unattractive people and unconfident people and physically
fucked up people are really difficult to be around, you
know what I'm saying, Like you can't really do a
lot of celebrating with them, you know what I mean,
Like there's a lot of secret jealousy and low self
esteem and shit surrounding these people. Like if you look

(01:41:47):
at motherfuckers to get arrested, they're all funny looking. Every
nig I've seen in a like one of those newspaper
clips where they do the arrest, they look like they
did whatever they said they did. I don't know if
they did. I'm not saying that they're guilty, but they
looked like they did it.

Speaker 8 (01:42:00):
Have y'all been Have y'all ever been shot by Nigga's
head shot like that?

Speaker 41 (01:42:10):
Nigga did that ship Like, I've never been surprised. That's
why that's and this is another thing to you know,
just validate my point. When you see beautiful people, they
highlight the funk.

Speaker 8 (01:42:18):
Out of that minks.

Speaker 41 (01:42:20):
Nigga rob people, shot of motherfuckers, but because he had
hazel green eyes that Nigga married a Russian princess like that,
Nigga went from getting booked to taking trips and being booked.
You dig know what I'm saying, Like, I just think
it's I mean, the proof is in thy pudding. You
shouldn't be eating those got a lot of calories in it.

(01:42:41):
But yeah, man, you know.

Speaker 8 (01:42:43):
That sound like in the may Hey no what fat people? Sure?

Speaker 41 (01:42:49):
Yeah, like people like like people be taking that. You
know it's not you know, I'm not doing this to
to you know, her feelings. But I also think that
men don't get really like I don't know, like we
we had a standard. There used to be a thing
where men didn't like the men that women are talking about.
And I want to fuck with a majority of men

(01:43:10):
don't fuck with those niggas neither, But we don't say
that we standing on this like weird ass man code
that doesn't exist, Like none of this, sister cold Don's
that women don't even like other women, you know what
I'm saying, unless it's to argue with men and then
women rally together as fucking power rangers and shit like that.
But most women don't. If you ask women how female
friends she got, it's gonna be on one hand. Okay,

(01:43:32):
it's gonna be one hand, So I.

Speaker 8 (01:43:36):
Is it real? Is a fucking matrix out of them?

Speaker 41 (01:43:45):
I can talk about other stuff, like how the economy
is effected by a lack of individuals looking for sustainability
within their communities, but who.

Speaker 8 (01:43:56):
The fuck wants to talk about that?

Speaker 41 (01:43:57):
Were talking about relationships and funny looking why backed women
and dockey niggas they can't find the soulmates that they're
looking for, but they never look to self. You know
what I'm saying, Like when niggas, when niggas asked what
the bitches are? I wonder why don't they look in
the mirror every once in a while?

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
You what I mean?

Speaker 8 (01:44:14):
Like, you know that's what we're talking about. Because this
is not a real place. This is clubhouse, not.

Speaker 11 (01:44:23):
Fucking nuts. Man. Ebony is back DJ on stage, Peggy in.

Speaker 8 (01:44:31):
All what's back at.

Speaker 11 (01:44:34):
And he doing the interview somewhere. He literally slid in
as soon as you said, but he doing the interview.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
Yeah, what happened, bro?

Speaker 8 (01:44:45):
I got in trouble about doctor Albert.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
Doctor Abbott. He's thinking him in here. What happened?

Speaker 11 (01:44:51):
It's time for the balls.

Speaker 8 (01:44:52):
Later.

Speaker 38 (01:44:54):
He didn't get in any trouble man, He just Oh
my god, that's male sensitive.

Speaker 8 (01:45:00):
I'm about to break everything and it's god damn.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
Y'all crazy.

Speaker 30 (01:45:03):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:45:03):
I just did an interview on another doctor. Her name
was doctor l'wanna. She'll be coming in media mentors to
so make sure y'all show some love she'll be coming
in and talking about this futuristic afrotech stuff that she's doing,
and she wants to invite some of you guys to
come down to like Las Vegas and some of the
events and ship. But she'll be coming into the club
and ship. But she had just I got one question.

Speaker 8 (01:45:24):
Is she a black woman?

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
Yes?

Speaker 18 (01:45:26):
I'm not.

Speaker 6 (01:45:28):
God, Why.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
Why you don't want to support the black women race?

Speaker 8 (01:45:34):
She's no, no, no, I'm a black man. I'm going
the opposite way.

Speaker 2 (01:45:41):
You're how black?

Speaker 25 (01:45:42):
This shout out to the shout out to the black women.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Facts? But they over there kicking that every time she
tells me, she like she was trying to invite me
to all these your.

Speaker 41 (01:45:50):
Fact Let me get she got a bunch of degrees. Huh,
hell yeah, that's crazy with it. I ain't fucking with her.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
Oh my god, Ray got.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
Too many degrees from smart to rad that's the crazy
that smart.

Speaker 18 (01:46:05):
Nah.

Speaker 8 (01:46:06):
Let me get she reads this ship too. She nah,
I ain't gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
Be she's an auntie Ray, of course, I ain't.

Speaker 8 (01:46:13):
Gonna be able to I ain't gonna be able to
make time for that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
Fuck that man? Yo, did you did you time into
this topic? Do men and women know how to love
without possession. Did you chime into this, bro, or did.

Speaker 8 (01:46:26):
You I just I didn't even read the title. I
was just talking ship.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
I know how to do He come in here and
just picture.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
What's wrong with possession like I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
Albert said it earlier. Y'all got mental issues when y'all
be possessing people. Alprad said it, mother is crazy that
you crazy. Remember that. He said you got mental issues.
He said that you want to possess someone. He said
that you're you are insane. My bro, you weren't like

(01:47:03):
you need to go. You need to go possess yourself.

Speaker 16 (01:47:05):
I mean I don't love you at that point.

Speaker 38 (01:47:12):
See, we make up new words on Clubhouse. We make
up words that are clearly defined.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
I don't love nothing that.

Speaker 25 (01:47:21):
You can possess an object. But hold up, isn't it
your my chick?

Speaker 6 (01:47:29):
Ain't you my girl?

Speaker 16 (01:47:31):
You in your mind?

Speaker 1 (01:47:34):
Just Google?

Speaker 25 (01:47:36):
It's real basic.

Speaker 16 (01:47:38):
We're not physically in this world like we are all objects,
you know? So no, no, don't you an object?

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
Object?

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
This is.

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
Objectify you absolutely, this is this.

Speaker 25 (01:47:55):
Is the vaunted brother stack.

Speaker 38 (01:47:58):
You're observing oodcast language from the land of postcat podcast area.

Speaker 25 (01:48:04):
Uh they make up words, uh their suiting.

Speaker 1 (01:48:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
If I can't possess you, I don't want you.

Speaker 11 (01:48:15):
I don't love, I.

Speaker 2 (01:48:16):
Don't love nothing that.

Speaker 8 (01:48:19):
Does. Does your woman have your last name? Wow?

Speaker 27 (01:48:22):
Yet?

Speaker 8 (01:48:24):
Okay, that's that's crazy.

Speaker 41 (01:48:29):
Niggas be stealing women's the time of me and ship
and don't even marry them.

Speaker 1 (01:48:33):
Now, that's crazy. You're right, look at this.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
Yeah, but the women, right, the women let them do it.
Let let's not take the accountability, Like why you why
are you letting the man passess you? And he ain't
really possessed you know?

Speaker 41 (01:48:47):
Why let these niggas impregnate you? And they ain't got
no you know, I don't know man. Like again, I
gotta gets how how weird niggas live because the baseline
is not that's not that's not my reality, you know
what I'm saying, Like I believe in families and husbands
and wives.

Speaker 8 (01:49:04):
And children and under one roof and ship like that,
you know that old ship.

Speaker 16 (01:49:08):
That's a position, those possitions. But like, oh, because I'm
muscling talk about people you possess, even talking about your
your conky band, those who are your right hand posents.
Sean people who possess, who possessed women and children, women.

Speaker 8 (01:49:31):
I just think it's interesting to go to religions.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
Let me get in here, Let me get in here
real quick. It's not possession. It's those that you're responsible for.

Speaker 6 (01:49:44):
It's not.

Speaker 5 (01:49:47):
Because I'm Muslim.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
I'm Muslim, like we're not. Don't tell, don't tell these
non Muslims all that crazy stuff you're talking about right now.
It is not possession.

Speaker 2 (01:49:55):
Your right hand possessed, your in your hands.

Speaker 11 (01:50:00):
Yeah, yeah, back then. But it's not just it's responsibility.
It is about who is in your care and who
has hold on.

Speaker 6 (01:50:14):
Brother.

Speaker 11 (01:50:14):
We can't we can't both listen to each other at
the same time. Brother, So we almost definitely heard you.
And the sister asked me to jump in out of
respect to you as a man in the in the community.
So I'm gonna address you, brother on the bath of
my sister, right you, if you understand what the Koran
is saying, right that has no that has no forbearance

(01:50:37):
on the idea of possession meaning as an item or control.
It's about the circumference of what what the man is
responsible for and taking care of the precious gift and
treasure that a law has bestowed upon him and given
him responsible responsibility over.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
And you're held responsible and you're hereafter for the way
you handle that responsibility. So let's talk about that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:06):
And you know what else I want to talk about
this new topic to Laila. I know we've been talking
about this, but everybody that's coming in, can y'all help me?
Ping the room up and share the room up? Dalvin,
doctor Albert for Sean, not your auntie. She's my auntie.
Though she's not your auntie. She call me my auntie. Okay,
big fry bag Daddy, dj am Ebony Ray Layla, let's

(01:51:30):
continue this shit. Are women emotionally available or just emotionally loud?
Are y'all just loud, pouring bleeding all over the place right?
Ping the room up? Share the room up? If y'all
know anyone I wants to talk about this ancient I
see you rolling your eyes. It's okay. We are on
the women now. We talked about men or the women?

(01:51:51):
Ping the room up? Share the room up? Are women
emotionally available or just emotionally loud? Which one is it?
Floors open? Who's jumping in? I think go ahead?

Speaker 37 (01:52:04):
DJ there emotionally loud because they're emotionally available.

Speaker 39 (01:52:12):
I won't speak for most women, but I do think
go ahead, doctor Albert.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Nah, he just wanted to do the sound to facts.
Go ahead.

Speaker 39 (01:52:21):
Oh no, I was just gonna say. I would say
most women are not emotionally available. I know, like for me,
I'm not really accustomed to a man dumping his emotions
on me, you know, really seeing a man cry. I
didn't really see my father cry or my grandfather. So
I think when it comes from that context, am I

(01:52:42):
really emotionally available for a man to be like dumping
on me and being able to support that? I would say, no, hmmm, what.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
Was you saying now? But why did you give further
the firefighter sound?

Speaker 6 (01:53:00):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:53:00):
That was that was due?

Speaker 25 (01:53:02):
Okay, that was due over that box.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
Yo. Listen, a woman emotionally unavailable or available or just
emotionally loud, This is what I want to talk about,
picking it up, shut it up. So like a lot
of them are just emotionally loud.

Speaker 8 (01:53:17):
Ray, how do you feel?

Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
How do you feel?

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
I would like doctor Albert to give us a definition
of emotionally wow, because I think most people don't even
know what that is.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
It's not having your feelings wrapped up in something else?
Does that happen?

Speaker 11 (01:53:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 25 (01:53:34):
Just just have an emotional awareness tells me.

Speaker 8 (01:53:37):
So eq.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
Eq and E love it?

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
So I think most people don't know what it is.
So how can you give or get something if you
don't know what it is? So, if you're not emotionally intelligent,
how can you provide emotional availability to someone? Or how
do you know if someone's emotionally away? I gotta say

(01:54:07):
one more, How can you ask for it from someone
else if you yourself don't.

Speaker 5 (01:54:12):
Know what it is?

Speaker 8 (01:54:16):
That's nuts. They're asking because they don't know what it is.
They want someone to.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
Show them, Yeah, said no woman? Ever, can you show
me how to be emotionally intelligent?

Speaker 1 (01:54:30):
Oh?

Speaker 18 (01:54:30):
Yeah, I forgot.

Speaker 6 (01:54:31):
You're right. Yeah, you're right, You're right.

Speaker 1 (01:54:42):
I don't think they're available anymore. I just think people
ruined it for for like a lot of guys ruined
it for other men like you ruined their emotions from
the start. You ruined it, and once you ruined it,
you will never get it back. Once those emotions are
for Sean, how do you feel about that? Everyone? Once
those once those feelings are gone?

Speaker 6 (01:55:03):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
You you you the emotional it's gone for you and
it doesn't you anymore.

Speaker 11 (01:55:11):
They emotionally loud game. They just they just run around
here bleeding over everything, triggered by everything. That's their favorite.
Where trauma is and trauma that people be going to
therapy just to be confirmed that they're not wrong by
people that only came to save them, not to help

(01:55:34):
them heal or grow. They emotion they just emotionally loud,
like big babies. That's why. That's that's why every room
time that you have before was correct. That's why people
ghosts because they are mostly unavailable. They just they just
here for expression. That's what people are. Horrible communicators. Women

(01:55:58):
are horrific community caters.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
Horrific like that like badly.

Speaker 11 (01:56:03):
Yeah, horrific. That's why they emotionally loved. You can't be
a good communicator and emotionally telling like to be to
be a great communicator, that means you'd have to have
some some concept and bandwidth to manage and monitor where
you are emotionally and process that information in a way

(01:56:25):
that's digestible for yourself and for others. Not only that,
but that means you're able to uh process other people's
emotions like to be emotionally available for yourself, make sure
mostly available for other people. These motherfuckers are emotionally available
for shit except for yelling.

Speaker 1 (01:56:46):
But really familiar to what I said, I agree with.

Speaker 39 (01:56:50):
You, No, I was just gonna say, I don't think
it's the same. I think someone can be emotionally intelligent
and reference to themselves and not be emotionally available for
another person. So it's not necessarily one and the same.

Speaker 11 (01:57:07):
So it's true, no ebony, So it completely it completely translates, right,
because there's a difference between saying I can identify that
Ebony is in a space that's not conducive to what
I'm trying to do and remove myself. I am not
available for her emotional state because it's not conducive to

(01:57:28):
what the protocol or experience I'm trying to have, versus
I am trying to be here with Ebony, or I
want to be here with Ebony, but I am not available,
I am unavailable and unable to deal with her emotion
and I e mind. Right, It's very different, and a
lot of people confuse walking away or ghosting or not

(01:57:49):
dealing with with like that's a conscious, intelligent decision. It's like, no,
you're just running away, right That people run away when
it's uncomfortable because they don't know what the fuck to
do with it.

Speaker 8 (01:58:01):
And for me to be.

Speaker 11 (01:58:03):
Emotionally intelligent on myself, that means I have some intelligence,
some processing power about emotions. Right, So if I've mastered,
if I have some level of mastery with my emotional
experience identifying what's going on with you and being able
to process that and sit with that and possibly, depending

(01:58:23):
on the relationship, being able to work with you through that,
that's very different.

Speaker 39 (01:58:29):
And but for Sean, that's like saying, oh, because I
know how to do two plus two, I can teach
you how to do two plus two.

Speaker 18 (01:58:39):
It does not work.

Speaker 39 (01:58:40):
So I hear what you're saying, but it's not the
same set of tools and it's not the same strategies
that you would use on yourself versus you being there
for something.

Speaker 11 (01:58:49):
But listen to the language I use. I didn't say
teach them how to manage their emotions. I said be there,
like availability is not teaching. It's my ability to be preys? Right,
Am I available for theirs?

Speaker 6 (01:59:03):
And or mind? Right?

Speaker 11 (01:59:05):
I can I might not be able to teach you
why two one plus one is two. But I can
be present with you on why you're struggling while you're
struggling struggling with it, or expressing to me that you
need to understand it, or expressing to me how you
feel about one plus one equal.

Speaker 1 (01:59:20):
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or just emotionally loud? Bigie, thank you for coming on
the stage, Nerd Face, Cash Am River, Royal, Rosie, Andrea,

(02:00:02):
kat Layla Mon Delvin, Doctor Albert Nacho, Auntie for Sean
Yo were in the building right now. Are women emotionally
available or just emotionally loud? I feel like they're emotionally loud.
The availability has gone. The motherfuckers are crazy nowadays. They're
not investing all this time into people because it could

(02:00:23):
be a waste. Let's talk about it. The floor is open,
who's coming in next? Somebody grabbed the micro Let's go.

Speaker 2 (02:00:29):
How y'all doing.

Speaker 16 (02:00:32):
I think the the emotionally loud women, the women who
are like that, it's a form of a bullying and
a form of abuse. So I don't think all women
are like that, but the women some women use that
as you know, to like bully O man. It's to
embarrass them or to get some kind of compliance. But

(02:00:57):
I don't think women should be you know, no mean
either and not emote. They shaid, definitely evote, but they should.
But men need to recognize and she's doing it just
to express herself, or she's trying to do it to
force you to act a certain way or to comply
with demands or with you know, expectations or whatever. So

(02:01:22):
you know, we just got to watch out for the
women who bullying, you know, and being abusive. But women,
you know, I expect women to be women. I don't
want a woman who's numb and who don't get sad
or don't get you know, emotional from time to time,
because that's part of being a woman. Like just like
you wouldn't want a man who crying all the time,

(02:01:43):
you wouldn't want a woman who's just numbing cold either,
So it's just women supposed to be emotional.

Speaker 42 (02:01:52):
I think sometimes our silence is showing that we're not
emotionally available. I think those that are being loud because
men are loud all the time, and some people say
it's because they're angry, but when women get louder, they
call it crazy or are they call us loud? When
we speak, we speak louder than normal to make sure
that we're being heard. So I think those that are

(02:02:14):
speaking and speaking their truth and their facts and asking
for clarity't could mean that they are in fact emotionally
available and that they're tuned into what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (02:02:26):
That's true, we were saying early Andre before you came.
It's some that are just over the top emotionally loud,
like why haven't you controlled some of that? Why isn't
some controlled? Like why is it so loud? And why

(02:02:48):
haven't you opened up the availability? Have you got hurt?
Has it been trauma in the past, what's the problem
with the availability to continue this conversation.

Speaker 42 (02:03:02):
But it's interesting to say that even if the same
things were coming from the opposite sex mouth that it's
not considered loud. It's just that they're anger and they're
just speaking and seeing what they want to say. I
don't know that I can tell you how to express yourself,
whereas I may not be loud, but a lot of
times I do tap out. I don't agree, and I

(02:03:23):
just go, oh, it's not going to bother me in
and so I just don't listen to If I will
tap out, I will remove myself from that space, which
means that, hey, I'm not dealing with it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
I think we need to normalize that, Andrea, removing yourself
from toxic spaces or things that are you know that's
going to emotionally drain you. How do y'all like staying
there though? You know what I mean? Staying in that bullshit? Like,
what's what's the problem? Find better move on? So you
don't have to be emotionally loud, because emotional ability is

(02:03:55):
way better how I feel? Who else is here? Albert Ray?
Are you guys here, Nacho? How are you feeling? Are
women emotionally available or emotionally loud. Let's continue this, Albert,
are you here with me? Two brothers? Like, how are
they feeling today? Is this true?

Speaker 18 (02:04:11):
Oh?

Speaker 38 (02:04:12):
Yes, indeed, Man, I can't. I don't want to be redundant.
Just did over what you're saying.

Speaker 9 (02:04:17):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (02:04:23):
Hmmm, So I think for Sean, I think you got
to the point though, Bro, earlier when you first came
in about them emotionally loud instead of emotionally available. I
think that's pretty true. You know, they're not willing to
be in relationships for Sean, you know what I mean.
They don't want to be invested into all this time

(02:04:45):
because maybe the man's a piece of ship. They haven't
shown them why they should be with them or invest
all this emotional energy into them. Man, So that's.

Speaker 11 (02:05:00):
Existence. What's the fucking emotionally and intelligent brother? They we
wouldn't hear any of the things that we talked that
we hear complaints about. We wouldn't have any of these perspectives,
Like all the content would be gone, brother, Like if
if they were emotionally available and you.

Speaker 1 (02:05:19):
Always break down inside of too fast, Bro.

Speaker 11 (02:05:23):
I'm just saying like our content would go from complaining
to solutions we'd be celebrating people and talking about how
we can build and work together, but instead we are
trying to do what is important, like I know with
this gender wars and were being performative or whatever because
it's fun. But the beautiful what the Internet and Clubhouse

(02:05:44):
has shown us is that no matter how wrong or
right people are in their position, we are all subconsciously
at the core trying to fix ourselves as a community
because we understand that relationship, our relations is the most
important thing to our humanity. We just fucking horrible at

(02:06:05):
accepting the fact that we need to get some actual
help to do it. We all got there, we all
got opinions, so we think we qualify to talk about
what should be done instead of going somewhere and trying
to figure out, hey, am am, I healthy enough to
do this thing that I want to participate in, and
what does that look like if another person is and

(02:06:25):
what do I do if I'm not. But that's that's
actual emotional and intelligence and process of that. That's being
emotionally available, saying hey, I want something I might not
deserve it. I feel a certain way about my life
or how I'm being treated, and I'm willing to be
told how I should observe it and approach it, fixing it. Right,

(02:06:48):
I don't feel good about how I'm what the experience
I have? Can you help me? And women ain't asking
for no fucking help. They want to They want to
tell niggas how they're wrong and what they need to
do to make them feel better. So hell fuck noll
they just loud at complaining.

Speaker 43 (02:07:07):
Well, so, Sean, do you do you think that maybe
they tried to tell you softly and you didn't hear
what they were trying to say, and so they had
no choice but to become loud.

Speaker 11 (02:07:19):
Yeah, so that's that's a different dimension. So louder soft,
the the intention and the expression is still different, right,
because there's there are women that can say the same
thing and the softer. But if it's not from a
place of saying, hey, I need help and I'm willing

(02:07:40):
to listen to help, then it don't matter. Like the
perception of what we're postulating is that possibly women are
telling men what's wrong and they're and they're in a
space to accept responsibility or or they're willing they're willing
to do the work to fix whatever's going on with
them versus, Hey, I'm gonna tell you solve fro. I'm

(02:08:02):
gonna tell you loud, but I don't like what you're doing,
and I don't like the way it feel. And if
I don't like the way it feel, that means that
you're the problem, so you need to fix it. If
you ain't fixing it, then I'm gonna yell again or
I'm out of here.

Speaker 27 (02:08:15):
Well.

Speaker 42 (02:08:15):
The thing is that we are taught, you know, by
our parents. Women are taught to be soft and usually going,
you know, to be seen and not heard. But literally
we should be heard. We should be heard at all times,
whether we're speaking the way that I speak or whether
we're speaking the way that Danielle gets into y'all, sometimes
we should be heard. And I think that sometimes sometimes

(02:08:39):
what we end up, what ends up happening, is those
of us that do speak nicely, softly, easy going, and
those of us that are cooperative and try to be understanding,
it is looked over. And so therefore we have to get,
you know, in our gut and speak, you know, so

(02:09:00):
that you will actually hear some of the things that
we're saying. And I mean, it happens, you know, if
I can just reflect on this app anytime that I've
gotten loud, and that's when people stop to listen.

Speaker 43 (02:09:08):
A lot of times you don't even hear me when I'm.

Speaker 26 (02:09:12):
Saying, oh, so you got to get loud for them there.

Speaker 43 (02:09:16):
But sometimes I have to.

Speaker 42 (02:09:17):
I mean, this is a room that's you know, everybody's
kind of on the chill mold today, but it kind
of been something else. And you know, and I was
trying to come and give a little bit of wisdom,
a little bit of knowledge of what I perceive is
that they don't.

Speaker 43 (02:09:30):
Want to hear it, even the men and or the women.

Speaker 42 (02:09:32):
So I think that it gets to a point where
you have to speak up right, you have to. And
however it comes out, if it's a fact, it's a fact.
And I think that men need to start understanding that
sometimes it's not meant to be disrespectful. It's just that
you weren't listening when I said it all the other times.

(02:09:54):
And you can't look because we don't. We don't always
look at you as angry when you get loud with us.
We look at you as you know what I do.
I look, okay, well, is he speaking facts? If you're
speaking facts, that's just what it is. You know, I
can't go and cry over a fact that was spoken.
I just I might not like the way you gave
it to me, but it.

Speaker 27 (02:10:12):
Is what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:10:14):
You know.

Speaker 41 (02:10:14):
There is a third option though, right when I think
of like women with poison, shit like that is the
you don't have to say nothing to these niggas. You
know what I'm saying like that, that's a that's a
reference of power right there, Like you know what I'm saying,
like getting trying to get some message across to some
person who is very committed. Women are men right that

(02:10:35):
are very committed to not looking at a perspective that
is not their own. It is a waste of fucking breath.
You did what I'm saying, Like you know, the last
time I was in this room, princeing u Rico, we're
trying to convince me that to raise adupe men. So
if somebody got to do it, somebody.

Speaker 1 (02:10:52):
Got to go out there and pick up these brothers
and teaching how to tie they ties and shit like that.

Speaker 41 (02:10:56):
I don't believe in that rhetoric. I think is hurtful
and problematic for billions of reasons. Right, But I'm not
about to break down every single point of that bullshit
to make somebody feel comfortable. If it's a talking point
for some people, let it be some of these men
will never respect you women, regardless of what you do,
how soft you talk, how much you cover up your

(02:11:17):
face and your body like that shit does not matter
to those particular men. And I think that we focus
on people that are actively disagreeable, problematic, and argumentative a
lot more than we focus on our collective community.

Speaker 1 (02:11:29):
That is, for our rhetoric and our personal.

Speaker 33 (02:11:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:11:39):
So the unique thing about and I'm just thinking specifically
about from the perspective of romantic relationship right emotionally lot
because that's something we can lean into available and being
emotionally lot softer loud is the question is are they available?
And the difficulty there is is we're talking about the

(02:12:04):
quality of the information or the thing that's being expressed.

Speaker 30 (02:12:08):
Right.

Speaker 11 (02:12:08):
If it's a fact, it's a fact, Like I think
Royal said in it don't matter like you can say
it with peace. You can be belligerent, you could be ridiculous,
you can need to be rude. Now it's still gonna
be rude and nasty, but still true. Like you can
tell me one plus one is two and be like, man,
who ass nigga one plus one is too?

Speaker 1 (02:12:27):
Is?

Speaker 27 (02:12:27):
Damn?

Speaker 11 (02:12:27):
Why'd I be a whole ass nigga? But it is true,
right versus.

Speaker 18 (02:12:31):
Like, I'm not you truly a whole ass nigga?

Speaker 6 (02:12:34):
Wait?

Speaker 18 (02:12:34):
Wait, no, So.

Speaker 11 (02:12:40):
The issue is about emotional availability, right, It's not about
it's not necessarily about loudness, but like being loud and
not being emotionally available. What's the point of the question, Like,
are they actually emotionally because women like to tell you
that they are emotionally available. That's not what I typically

(02:13:01):
see you. Emotionally available. Men can't be Women don't have
no emotional availability for men. Women don't give a fuck
about men men Stack. I don't know if he was
in room last night, but yesterday last night, late last night,
Lou had a room bout one hundred and something people
in it. Miss Monica, y'all know, Miss Monica, that's my
daughter's a OG. She's a professional. What she does very successful.

(02:13:23):
She was expressing herself about recently doing an autopsy and
some discovery on six men, the youngest being eighteen, who
had unlive themselves recently, and she said in adjust of it.
What the discovery showed was that all of these young,
these men, the brunt force of their dilemma was rooted

(02:13:45):
in their relationships.

Speaker 8 (02:13:47):
Right.

Speaker 11 (02:13:47):
Whatever they might have been, they struggle was with the
relationship that's led them to making that decision. And you
know what, all the women in the room was saying
for about thirty forty minutes, none of that mattered.

Speaker 1 (02:13:58):
They was weak.

Speaker 11 (02:14:00):
They men shouldn't be so bad. They had everything to
say except just accepting the fact. They said, Oh, women
ain't responsible for that. People ain't nobody responsible for that,
blah blah blah. Women are not emotionally available for men's issues, concerns, happiness, care, protection, emotions.
So I'm saying, fuck no, I'm just I'm just not.

(02:14:23):
I don't because I don't see it nowhere, not professionally,
not in fucking movies, music, on clubhouse, the internet. You
can't point me in one direction where a large group
of women are emotionally available for anything but women suffrage.

Speaker 1 (02:14:40):
God damn for Sean, were going in right right up,
doctor b I'm gonna do a quick reset, real quickly.
I'm gonna go in right We're gonna be pinging, We're
going on a crazy ping party right now before we
go in, because I want you guys to think about
this new topic. We're going into a new war. We're

(02:15:01):
going into a new topic we've been open for a
very long time for Sean. I want to do a
quick reset my brother, and then I want to get
right back into this ship. Ray. I appreciate you, Albert,
I appreciate you, Layla Andree and Bond. What the fuck
are we talking about?

Speaker 27 (02:15:21):
War floor?

Speaker 1 (02:15:23):
Doctor b hits ready to kick shit over with the
one reset. Pick it up for me. Let's go up
war floor every day.

Speaker 26 (02:15:33):
Some new shit be for with my bitch right now.

Speaker 11 (02:15:36):
But I'm like right down the straight.

Speaker 27 (02:15:40):
Sims for the kids.

Speaker 14 (02:15:42):
Somebody's like this everything I want to hear about click
and asking about the word around the town.

Speaker 1 (02:15:48):
I'm a pillon ho won't get my heart.

Speaker 14 (02:15:50):
I'm putting it down. I'm not a simple biggo gee.
I'm himp walking back to Lamb and then go g
l e on tripping catching niggas, blam, pre game, ain't nigga.

Speaker 2 (02:16:00):
The rest go through the recteam.

Speaker 14 (02:16:03):
We got the rack back with a like flap tax.
That's a tupple on my nettack. I don't exactly check
my track record. Biggs shout at us, we cramped back
ten eighteen off the seven figure niggah.

Speaker 1 (02:16:17):
I think y'all know where we're at, right, We're on
the fucking wall floor, right. I want to continue this,
think about this new topic.

Speaker 6 (02:16:25):
I know who we do.

Speaker 44 (02:16:27):
We are going to witness the most anticipated match in
their history, a professional wrestling.

Speaker 25 (02:16:37):
Or the heavyweight Championship.

Speaker 8 (02:16:40):
Oh holle, are you ready?

Speaker 44 (02:16:49):
Wrestling fans?

Speaker 6 (02:16:51):
Are you.

Speaker 44 (02:16:57):
Ready for the thousands in attendance and the millions watching
around the world? From the capital city of the United
States of America, Washington, DC, Ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 1 (02:17:19):
Skater editor, I think we're on the fucking wall floor.
I think we're on the war floor. My sister Diego
just came up, ping the room out, share the room out.

(02:17:39):
Do women and men use healing as a trend or
a tool? I feel like a lot of people are saying, oh, wow,
that looks cool, let me try to do it. But
they don't really put their heart into this shit. They
don't really go through the motherfucking work, the real self work.
It may be y'all just using it as a trend. Man,
it looks good. It looks good on it Instagram, it

(02:18:00):
looks good on Facebook, it looks good on different places,
but you are not really doing the work. I want
to open this floor up. Click the link at the top.
You can get a free bitcoin debit card to come
straight to your house. Earn the rewards. Let's continue this
on the wall floor. Do women and men use healing
as a trend or a tool? Who wants to take

(02:18:22):
the mic popcorn style? Let's go? So that means that
you guys are using it as a trend. Usually when
it's like that for Sean real quiet, right, they're using

(02:18:44):
this shit as a trend. Now I get it. So
nobody's really doing the work, Albert. Nobody's sitting down and
doing the work.

Speaker 6 (02:18:51):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (02:18:52):
That's crazy.

Speaker 11 (02:18:55):
Really, ain't nobody doing shit?

Speaker 1 (02:18:57):
Bro? But I'm saying for Sean really though, it's really
got to be like that, though, Bro, what nobody's doing
the work? So so seeing it as something that looks cool,
going to go try it, but it's not really for you?
That ship is what's going on? Can I do jumping? Yes?
Go ahead.

Speaker 37 (02:19:13):
I think part of that is they don't you gotta
you have to recognize a problem or if something is scarred,
you know that needs to be healed. And a lot
of motherfuckers especially don't hear are fucking perfect. They ain't
nothing wrong with them and never been wrong with them.

(02:19:34):
They fine, And you know they don't even recognize they
or want to talk about whatever it was that really,
you know, made them with what they are now. There's
no there's never anybody that's like, oh, I was sick
and I came up and whatever whatever it is, I

(02:19:54):
don't I don't hear it, you know, outside of when
I do it, when I talk about it.

Speaker 1 (02:19:57):
So you saying you don't hear any accountability, DJ, where's
the the ability?

Speaker 18 (02:20:00):
Yeah, I very rarely, very very rarely hear that.

Speaker 37 (02:20:04):
I hear a whole bunch of other shit of you know,
I'm I'm good now, But I never hear the oh, well,
how did you get? I never hear the adventure from
from the from the bottom to the top.

Speaker 6 (02:20:18):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:20:20):
Okay. I can't wait to hear from my sister diego
on this because I still feel like you guys are
using it as a trend. Fucking just looks good, man
looks good for some things. Maybe maybe you've seen it
help someone else, but you didn't really dive into it.
I use it as a tool.

Speaker 6 (02:20:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:20:39):
Not only does it over it, thank you.

Speaker 45 (02:20:42):
Yeah, not only does it look good, but it sounds good.

Speaker 6 (02:20:46):
Right.

Speaker 45 (02:20:46):
But to me, it sounds crazy to hear forty fifty
year old people talking.

Speaker 19 (02:20:50):
About them their healing journey.

Speaker 45 (02:20:52):
It's like you're not heled yet.

Speaker 6 (02:20:55):
Like dang.

Speaker 1 (02:20:57):
For me, I feel like they're permanently damned. Let's talk
about that real quick together. What about the permanent day?

Speaker 6 (02:21:03):
It must be?

Speaker 19 (02:21:04):
And like the brother was in, you have to acknowledge
that something is wrong.

Speaker 17 (02:21:09):
I know for me, and I think that's what it is,
right because when you start kind of like when you
take your car in to get get serviced, right, and
if you haven't been doing the maintenance, they're gonna go
under there and tell you, oh, well.

Speaker 6 (02:21:21):
Now you got this, and now you got that.

Speaker 18 (02:21:23):
Before you know, you have a laundry.

Speaker 45 (02:21:25):
List of things and you just went in there for
a flat tire, right, And that's what happens when you're
when you're doing a self reflection and you're actually looking
at what's going on in your life. It might open
up childhood traumas, it might open up other traumas, things
that you haven't even thought about consciously for decades, and so.

Speaker 19 (02:21:49):
You might have to go back way back.

Speaker 5 (02:21:52):
To do all of the work, and people don't want
to do that.

Speaker 6 (02:21:55):
I know.

Speaker 19 (02:21:56):
For me, the tool that I use was Carl Jung's.

Speaker 17 (02:22:01):
Shadow work, right, And I got there through studying archetypes
because I'm a story writer and so I had studied.
I wanted to learn how to make believable characters, so
I started studying archetypes, which is basically personality patterns, right,
And then that got me into Carl Jung, and then
from there I started studying shadow work. And once I

(02:22:24):
started doing that shadow work, it brought up stuff from
four or five years old, right, And it took a while,
and I did the work right. And that's what my
book is about. I don't even talk about. I have
an unpublished manuscript and it literally talks about the journey
into the subconscious and what you find there. And that's
why a lot of people don't go there, Stax and

(02:22:45):
for Sean, because they're afraid of what they're going to find.

Speaker 23 (02:22:48):
I'm confused.

Speaker 29 (02:22:51):
So you can only be on a healing journey for
certain parts of your life, like how is someone permanent
damaged because they're old and on a healing journey. I'm
confused because things happen at random points in life where
you might be on a journey to healing from it.
So I was just confused by the descriptor that someone

(02:23:15):
that's advanced age is permanently damaged if they're still on
a healing journey.

Speaker 1 (02:23:24):
In some cases, your ass is too old to be
still damaged. I understand different things and shit happens, but
in this case, we're talking about this person's too old.
Maybe you're just what the fuck do you still damage?
You haven't fixed your traumas, you haven't went to go
talk and sit down and fix things. At certain times,
you gotta fucking take kind of accountability and do self development,
look into mirror and do the work. I hear that shit,

(02:23:46):
but I'm throwing that out the window over to you
for Sean. Let's go big time.

Speaker 11 (02:23:49):
No, man, some some things, some things have healed, and
other things are chronic and there's no healing happening. Right man,
you get you get your bro even if you don't.
If you if you don't get it, reset and put
a cast on it, the body gonna start healing it,
you're gonna be fucking deformed. A lot of people just

(02:24:11):
deformed dog and they and because it's still hurt, they
calling it healing. Like, no, you you just injured, you
put you, you perpetually in pain because that ship didn't
get set right right and some some of this ship
motherfuckers just is treating like cancer, you know, like they
they don't have a biopsy and they just they ain't

(02:24:32):
even going to get chemo and ship like motherfuckers be
using terms because it sounds good. Bro, if if you,
if you ain't went and got no help, matter of fact,
they don't like when you say you or y'all. If
I if I, if I ain't went and got no help, stack,
if I'm in pain, if I ain't got no help
to fix the ship, to identify with what happened, what's wrong,

(02:24:55):
what needs to be done, and have some motherfucking professionals
assist me to you set this bone and do the
proper aftercare. Then, bro, I'm not healing. I'm just I'm
just progressively getting worse and just being negligent.

Speaker 8 (02:25:11):
That's what I was.

Speaker 1 (02:25:11):
That's the point, Albert. I hear y'all giving me the pushback.
But that's the point I'm talking about. It's not it's
not moving forward. What the fuck? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (02:25:20):
You can move forward, but you're gonna hurt. I've lost
my whole family five years ago. Five years ago, I
would never be the family again ever, and I just
learned to affect that. It's nothing I can do about it.
But am I gonna moarn for the rest of my life?

Speaker 1 (02:25:35):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:25:35):
I am.

Speaker 26 (02:25:36):
I dealt with anger, I dealt with sadness.

Speaker 4 (02:25:40):
It was a lie, you know, just you know, just
my mother had three children and I'm the only one left.
The holidays have not been a fan for me since
my brother died, and they will never ever be the
fam again, although I have children and grandchildren.

Speaker 11 (02:25:55):
That's just the way.

Speaker 4 (02:25:56):
If if nothing I can do about it, Am I damaged?
Maybe to some people here, yeah, I really don't give.

Speaker 1 (02:26:00):
A fuck, But it just is what it is.

Speaker 7 (02:26:04):
He's stacked stack. What Fashan just said was spot on.
Go get professionals, Go get professionals. But see that, really
you can only see that outside the clubhouse, because when
professionals speak is nobody listens. But go get you a

(02:26:25):
professional that is dedicated to being your mediator so you
could develop your own tools and sense of well being
to navigate this thing called life. You're not crazy going
to get a professional to help you be the best
you can be.

Speaker 12 (02:26:43):
I agree with Albert because I think a lot of when.

Speaker 33 (02:26:46):
People talk about like healing and all this stuff, it's
more so how you react to things, because bad things
are going to happen, things are going to change you
in life, right, But it's more so how you react
to things and being able to Like doctor that were said,
get professional help.

Speaker 12 (02:27:02):
I think that's really a problem that we have in
our community.

Speaker 33 (02:27:05):
We try to lean on our partner and want them
to be our therapists instead of actually going to a therapist,
and I think that is one of the major problems,
especially our men.

Speaker 12 (02:27:18):
Okay, I think that we need to put more.

Speaker 33 (02:27:24):
Emphasis on respecting professional opinions and getting opinions from professionals
instead of people and our homeboys. I'm not saying you
can't talk to people, invent to people, but people need
to stop weighing so heavily on other people.

Speaker 12 (02:27:38):
In their family that's not qualified to help them deal
with some.

Speaker 1 (02:27:41):
Of the problems.

Speaker 5 (02:27:42):
I digress.

Speaker 8 (02:27:48):
You got it.

Speaker 1 (02:27:50):
Come through.

Speaker 30 (02:27:55):
So I troll a lot, but I'm going to be
very transparent for this. I well, let me answer the
title first. Do men and women who's healing as a
trend or a tool? I think it's a trend. I
think a lot of people have been on these very
very long healing journeys and I don't know where the
end is. And I mean, I guess that's not my business,

(02:28:16):
right because your journey is your journey, mind mine. But
a lot of times when I hear it, it does
sound as if people are trying to utilize the concept
of mental health to manipulate the people that they're trying
to date or be with. That's that, I'll be very
honest with you, guys. Clubhouse has made me very fearful

(02:28:40):
of people who call them call themselves therapists. I am
now officially terrified of people who are like I am
a mental health expert, I'm a therapist.

Speaker 11 (02:28:55):
Y'all are some of the.

Speaker 30 (02:28:57):
Most damaging motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 (02:28:59):
On this app.

Speaker 30 (02:29:00):
And it is crazy to me how some of y'all
like literally like position yourselves to be like the end
or bey'all of mental health. Oh shit, And I'm not,
and I know I be trolling. I'm being so serious
because the ship that y'all do on this app as

(02:29:22):
people who consider y'allselves like mental health professionals.

Speaker 12 (02:29:27):
Is fucking sick.

Speaker 30 (02:29:29):
It is sick that y'all be some of the motherfuckers
sitting on the other side of a fucking desk.

Speaker 12 (02:29:35):
That people are airing their grievances suit.

Speaker 30 (02:29:38):
And it'd be a lot of women too, like a
lot of these I'm a lifestyle coach, I'm a dating coach,
I'm a mental y'all be the most fucked up and
unhing the motherfuckers.

Speaker 12 (02:29:50):
In these conversations.

Speaker 18 (02:29:51):
It is insane to me.

Speaker 30 (02:29:54):
Again, like I look at some of your PCRs and
I be like, Okay, if I'm having one of the
worst times of my life and I need someone to
talk to, you cannot beat a motherfucker on the other
side of the desk because y'all be fucking unhinged. Y'all
be more unhinged than people to me who are just

(02:30:17):
like total crash outs. I wonder sometimes if y'all listen
to the replays to listen.

Speaker 18 (02:30:24):
To how some of y'all motherfuckers sound.

Speaker 30 (02:30:26):
So I just want to say, and again, it may
be a lot the bend do it too, but a
lot of I'm a likeeile coach, I'm a femininity coach,
I'm a relationship coach. I'm a mental health therapist.

Speaker 18 (02:30:44):
I'm a professional.

Speaker 30 (02:30:45):
No, you're a fucked up individual who sit amongst these
clubhouse conversations just like the rest of us, and then
when shit hits the thing, y'all try to find some.

Speaker 18 (02:30:54):
Type of moral high ground that you don't fucking belong on.
But you built it yourself.

Speaker 30 (02:31:00):
So I just want to say, I think y'all are
some of the most despicable people on this app, especially
because y'all pretend that you have some type of educational,
hierarchical standard that you're fucking standing on when y'all be
very damaging in these conversations. I'm gonna land right now

(02:31:21):
because I'll chime back in there.

Speaker 1 (02:31:23):
WHOA y'all didn't got put fire emotion in the chat
for my sister I r L just came in this
motherfucker and just blew it up. She's on y'all lass
and gender wars fire emojis in the chat. Please, I

(02:31:43):
want to continue this, Albert, would you like to say
anything to after just diego?

Speaker 6 (02:31:48):
I am.

Speaker 7 (02:31:51):
She she's just three sixty dumbs on an y'ahn moran.

Speaker 1 (02:32:04):
As she should have Nacho. I think she just blew
up the war floor. Can you guys go on to
ping pardy for me, please? I know Diego just fucked
up the war floor, just went on mute, but ping
it up? Do men and women use healing as a

(02:32:24):
trend or tool? Diego said it's a tool, No a trend.
Some people are saying it's a tool. They're just using it,
you know, they're sitting down with professionals. But then I
feel like some people are taking this shit as a joke,
just like you guys are fucking how long are you
gonna be on this journey? How it's been since nineteen

(02:32:45):
fifty two and you're still hurt?

Speaker 11 (02:32:49):
Hey, stak Hey, I got a personal over.

Speaker 1 (02:32:51):
To you for Sean, go take this ship from stack.
Let's go.

Speaker 11 (02:32:54):
I got a question from you, brother. Time for the
pause of letter. I got a question for you and
then anybody else want to answer? When was the last
time that you hold heard like a masculine straight man
say he was on the healing journey. I'm just curious.

Speaker 1 (02:33:10):
I don't I don't say that for sure.

Speaker 7 (02:33:13):
The last time never heard.

Speaker 11 (02:33:15):
When when the last time I don't, I asked.

Speaker 1 (02:33:20):
They came to war to that he's crazy?

Speaker 11 (02:33:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because I don't I know what
I asked. I most definitely know what I asked. I'm
making sure that stack no heard what I asked because
he's never said it, and I asked him when with
the last time he heard a brother, a straight brother say,
I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:33:40):
I ain't really heard it, bro, I ain't really heard.
I'm on the healing he like, you know what I'm saying,
don't mess up that brother's You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 27 (02:33:48):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (02:33:48):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:33:49):
They don't expressed I'm on the healing journey man, Like, no,
not really, bro. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 25 (02:33:55):
I never said.

Speaker 1 (02:33:57):
And we travel all the time. Yeah, you know, we
be on the phone of what you know, what are
you talking about?

Speaker 27 (02:34:05):
Man?

Speaker 7 (02:34:06):
You hey, man, you get real person.

Speaker 25 (02:34:10):
So we talked about it.

Speaker 6 (02:34:11):
You know, crazy niggas. Now I'm a boy lover.

Speaker 11 (02:34:21):
Now I'm a boy lover because the military, like.

Speaker 6 (02:34:26):
That ship really poked the nigga.

Speaker 46 (02:34:29):
Bro, Like, I'm just asking when the last time you
heard the niggas say that I'm not one person would
last time you heard a masculine straight man.

Speaker 6 (02:34:42):
Yeah, so that means I'm not a street man.

Speaker 5 (02:34:48):
So here's the thing that I never heard it.

Speaker 6 (02:34:53):
Everybody want to talk and ship. Wait a minute, bro, Listen,
every man goes through some ship. Everybody got a heal.
So just because we say we're healing, we're like, look
at as feminine men.

Speaker 18 (02:35:09):
Uh Uh.

Speaker 6 (02:35:10):
It'd be crazy if a nigga walk up to me
and think I won't lay ass down for the life, right,
that's just real. I'm just keeping on a hunt.

Speaker 27 (02:35:16):
Right.

Speaker 47 (02:35:17):
I done, broke hearts, done, got my hope, my heart
broken down. That motherfucking lost my family, you know what
I'm saying. Two families I had and everything, bro And
so at one time I'm going to be I'm like,
I gotta self reflect, Like, yo, I need, I need.

Speaker 2 (02:35:30):
I've been.

Speaker 47 (02:35:30):
I've been going through just shad, I've been going through
some ship since I was a kid.

Speaker 6 (02:35:34):
You know what I'm saying, Mom, dude, Topsy already know
how the story goes from the hood, the hood with
parents and shit like that. And I've seen ship differently.
So the nigga needed to heal like so, but I
never got on the mica like, yeah, yeah, I need
heal like you know, I.

Speaker 2 (02:35:50):
Said in recent years, and my god, on this bitch.

Speaker 48 (02:35:56):
I got I got on this app recent in recent years,
probably three years ago, and say people, when women try
to talk to me, I'm like, nah, I'm healing myself
right now, so we're definitely not gonna be nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:36:06):
I'm trying to say.

Speaker 12 (02:36:08):
I think I think y'all gotta so. I think you
gotta be honest.

Speaker 33 (02:36:12):
Though men may not say specifically I'm on a healing journey,
but they do say other things to allude to that.

Speaker 5 (02:36:18):
I'm working on myself.

Speaker 12 (02:36:19):
I'm working better, man, I'm doing all.

Speaker 33 (02:36:22):
They say other things, so they may not specifically say
those words, but let's be clear, they do say that.

Speaker 12 (02:36:28):
Ship y'all are just playing words semantics like.

Speaker 11 (02:36:31):
Yeah, I ain't never heard of niggas say I'm.

Speaker 6 (02:36:34):
On the right.

Speaker 12 (02:36:34):
Well, that's just something. It's something that alludes to that though.

Speaker 36 (02:36:41):
Yeah, but that but that's the point of my question,
Sean on my healing journey right now, I don't give a.

Speaker 8 (02:36:54):
Right to.

Speaker 1 (02:37:01):
Die fuck it up. We already know diego. We got
to talk about.

Speaker 11 (02:37:09):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (02:37:09):
We ain't got nothing to talk. Diego is taking care
of kids. Bro, She ain't got nothing else to say you, Bro,
she fucking it up?

Speaker 27 (02:37:14):
Bro?

Speaker 29 (02:37:15):
Is it possible that this is why the women don't
take you all seriously and why you come up with
why up? I'm asking why you'll come up with, Oh,
women aren't emotionally available to you. They don't care what
you're going through because you don't give a fuck what
you're going through. He literally has just said that you're
a whole homosexual if you admit that you're having some difficulties.

Speaker 5 (02:37:40):
So this is the reason why women don't take you
fucking serious. We don't get admit to having it.

Speaker 29 (02:37:50):
Training women that if a man admits this, he is
a homosexual.

Speaker 11 (02:37:57):
Yeah, any hold on any human being in this room
that interpreted me asking if we've heard a straight masculine
man use the phrase I'm on a healing journey as

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meaning that he must.

Speaker 1 (02:38:22):
Be gay.

Speaker 11 (02:38:24):
And that and that using the phrase healing journey and
implying that somehow a man cannot be inhaling or getting
working on himself or needing some assistance is the same thing.
Then that's a that's a listening problem. And you know

(02:38:44):
her ears here very different. But to any man in
their room, you most definitely should be getting some assistance.
And your girlfriend, ain't it These women on clubhouse and
the internet, ain't it your mama not might not be it,
but that might be the safest woman's face that you
can be in. Right, But you most definitely should have
a mentor a fucking doctor, a professional psychologist that's a therapist,

(02:39:06):
not just a social worker, with credentials, a profession, and
a brotherhood to work on all of that bullshit that
that's happened to you that you're working through. So don't
don't let no woman confuse you and make you think
I'm saying you gay because life been hard and you
working on it. My question, I'll remove consent. It ain't

(02:39:34):
I'll remove consent in this room. I'm not speaking to
flat out I remove consent. So I don't. I don't.
I don't need to be interjected. I'm not trying to
go back and forth. I'm clarifying myself for anybody in
a room that might be confused or swayed by what said.
What about what I said?

Speaker 7 (02:39:51):
Okay, can I have that?

Speaker 1 (02:39:59):
Yeah? So you're not doctor b go to fuck ut
that's only one of me. Thank you, please go to mute.
I will help you going. I I gotta help you
to go the fuck all mute Warflo, let's go be.

(02:40:19):
I don't know what happened. So I was by walking
to the gym and that nigga text me is like,
Diego's cooking, come in the room. I'm like, what happened?

Speaker 8 (02:40:28):
So, like, what did I mess with?

Speaker 1 (02:40:29):
D Diego said that most men and women use it
as a trend, the healing journey. Right they they they lied,
doctor B. Right, they go into this ship and use
it as a trend. Maybe they've seen other people, Oh yeah,
that that looks cool, but they ain't really doing the
motherfucking back end works and they're using it as a trend.
But then you got some people saying that they're using

(02:40:51):
it as a tool, Doctor B. They're going to professionals,
they're sitting down with you know, the lady, and they're
getting help. But then you got some people saying it's
a trench.

Speaker 27 (02:40:59):
So what you think, Diego, do you hear some ship?

Speaker 1 (02:41:12):
Die come back?

Speaker 34 (02:41:16):
I'm here.

Speaker 30 (02:41:19):
What I said was club house therapists. The club the
therapists on this app have made me absolutely terrified of therapy.
I said, these motherfuckers sit amongst the same conversations we have,
but they build themselves a little island of moral high ground,
as if they're better than the motherfucker's participating in these conversations.

(02:41:43):
I said, I cannot imagine being in the worst space
of my life going to seek help, and there's some
of these niggas on this app sitting across the table
from you, trying to help me with my mental health.

Speaker 26 (02:41:54):
Is use.

Speaker 12 (02:41:55):
So that was just a fraction, but that was the
gist of what I said.

Speaker 1 (02:41:58):
So I would agree with you if you use like
club house. The few therapists on here, and I don't
know all of y'all, the one I know something that
actually I would believe. I don't think I would go
to them for my help, but I would believe like
they would have like an altruistic heart, like they're really
in it to try to help people. Some of these people,

(02:42:18):
I think they just therapists because that was the easiest
degree for them to get and the easiest job for
them to get. I wouldn't trust you with like a
recipe to make watermelon juice, which is on like four ingredients,
four ingredients of the shit.

Speaker 26 (02:42:30):
As far as like healing, I do think it's.

Speaker 1 (02:42:33):
Kind of you know, the healing journey thing kind of
gets said as because most things are catchphrazy. It's it's
something that's simple that I can remember that really, Like
you can't refute it, you can't really push back on it,
like women can't really use it to like what I mean,
Men can't really weaponize it against women. So it's like,
you know, when people use God, nobody really fights back
except some of us who don't believe in God. About
the whole God, like, everybody kind of sits down. But

(02:42:54):
with healing, healing's not linear, and I think the step further.
I believe like in Doctor Strange and the ancient one said,
we never outgrow our demons, we only learn to live
above them.

Speaker 26 (02:43:05):
Like I live that in life healing.

Speaker 1 (02:43:07):
I don't think anyone's ever truly healed because once you
crack a base, no matter how you put it back together,
it's not the same base again.

Speaker 26 (02:43:13):
So you're never really the same person. So in the journey,
in that context, it's a lifelong thing.

Speaker 1 (02:43:17):
So if you're saying you're on a healing journey, you're
always going to be on it because you're never going
to be one hundred percent of who you was. But
I do think some people try to weaponize it for
the bad decision so they can do some maybe some
funck shit laid on a blame, some shit laid on
for other people.

Speaker 26 (02:43:28):
But yeah, the therapist thing.

Speaker 1 (02:43:31):
I agree with.

Speaker 26 (02:43:31):
But the healing journey thing, like that's a lifelong thing.

Speaker 1 (02:43:37):
Darth to be laid it out. It's a lifelong thing
people be on these lifelong healing doctor. I got a
question for you, So, when do you think it's a
time with Okay, times up, You've been on this healing
journey for fifty years, time to heal. When do you
feel like there's a time limit for this prit So.
I don't think it's fair for like a time limit
because like, okay, let's I'll use myself and make odd statements.

Speaker 26 (02:43:56):
So like my parents died when I was very young.

Speaker 1 (02:43:58):
My mother died when I was a dad, dial with
all twenty four, like that still impacts me today. My
mom's been dead thirty eight years, like my father's been
there like twenty four. It still impacts me to today
now doesn't impact me to the same degree. No, But
there are times where I'm still like I can feel
like emotions come up and I'm like, what's the fuck's happening?
That's like, oh yeah, like when I get around like
their birthday or like Mother's Day and Father's Day, Like
those emotions are tied into my brain.

Speaker 26 (02:44:19):
So I don't think it's fair to put like a
time on it.

Speaker 1 (02:44:21):
But again, if you if you sound like you you
went through a bad breakup and you like I want
to take things slow, and you're using it for manipulation,
Like you know, I'm not ready fully to commit yet,
but I'm gonna keep sucking you and doing all the
relationships ship, but I don't.

Speaker 26 (02:44:34):
Really want to give my heart to you yet. Like
that's you gotta walk away from that.

Speaker 6 (02:44:38):
That.

Speaker 1 (02:44:38):
They can do that for as long as they want to.
But you only can control where you stand that in
the world. You can't control what nobody else does. So
just don't get manipulated by people saying they're on their
healing journey. M Do people use the healing journey as manipulation?

Speaker 6 (02:44:52):
I do?

Speaker 1 (02:44:52):
Yeah, hold on, switch the topic.

Speaker 8 (02:44:58):
Switch that sh.

Speaker 1 (02:45:04):
You heard they use?

Speaker 27 (02:45:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:45:07):
Do they say it again? You heard me, Albert, you
heard it? I said, do they use healing as manipulation
and trauma.

Speaker 11 (02:45:16):
Yeah, just just because something is healed, I mean, it
doesn't hurt no more like any medical professional can tell
you that it's motherfuckers that got injuries that they that
they healed from, but they still causes pain like that.
And it seems that motherfuckers just confused the concept of

(02:45:37):
being in pain from a past injury with still healing.
Like those things are not mutually exclusive.

Speaker 7 (02:45:50):
It's not.

Speaker 25 (02:45:51):
It's not emotional and mental healing.

Speaker 7 (02:45:53):
That's cap Physical healing is not emotional and mental.

Speaker 25 (02:46:00):
Shout out to doctor b shout who.

Speaker 1 (02:46:07):
Nigga, you heard my name?

Speaker 27 (02:46:08):
Not you?

Speaker 1 (02:46:09):
What's stunting? Why my boot study knows you love me
more than you?

Speaker 6 (02:46:14):
Now that is that? That's ther nigga. That's your fault
for doing that. Ship. But anyway, for the manipulation thing, right,
you know what's crazy.

Speaker 47 (02:46:31):
And I'm gonna keep it a buck because a lot
of niggas don't like to keep it a buck. A
lot of your people on the stage, people throw these
stuff at you when they hear you say that you're
you know, you're healing, and then h you know, when
you get a little board or something like that you
may hit them up and say, man, let's gonna hang out.

Speaker 6 (02:46:52):
That on happens.

Speaker 47 (02:46:55):
A lot of ship so and at the same time
you're confused them and then all uff and you just
wake up to yourself like, y'all I just manipulated again.
I just just some bullshit again. So yeah, people do
use that ship and stuff for manipulation. I ain't gonna
lie to you, brother, keep it.

Speaker 8 (02:47:10):
In the buck.

Speaker 1 (02:47:11):
Let's continue this conversation. Is the healing journey used for manipulating?
Do you guys use your heal healing people and then
you trick people into doing shit? Albert? What do you think? Brother?
I want you to get up on this topic before
everybody starts to attack it. Are you there, Albert or
what do you?

Speaker 8 (02:47:28):
Brother?

Speaker 7 (02:47:28):
Thank you for being Yeah, on certain instances, you know,
everybody speaks in absolutes. They have no ratchet now and
they don't address and tangibility. Yeah, it's it's it's called
weaponizing the trouble. People would do that to enable and
disable you by playing on your feelings, especially your empathy.
But of course you know certain human beings have no feelings,

(02:47:52):
no empathy, sympathy, or compassion. They're just fucking terminated robots
like Arnold Shauchenega. So you know that's that's how normally go.
But yeah, you got some cats man that will definitely
manipulate the ship out of you talking that healing ship.
So there's a balance to it, and you gotta be

(02:48:13):
keen enough to you know, to point it out and
get away from somebody that tries to play on your
feelings like that.

Speaker 26 (02:48:22):
When I was a kid, like with my mom, that
was how I got out of trouble.

Speaker 1 (02:48:26):
The girls think about me. It was like you like
in school, when I would fight to get out, like
getting punished, I'd be like they talked about my mom.
And even if they didn't, I would because once I
knew people be like gullible and fall for that, I
used it all the time, Like I never would get
in trouble, Like you tell something bout my mom.

Speaker 26 (02:48:40):
You know, that's my trigger.

Speaker 1 (02:48:41):
But we didn't use the word trigger back in like
the eighties and nineties, so like that, but that was
my go to even though it was your goal to
be just to fuck them up.

Speaker 26 (02:48:48):
So look, I've been in like five fights in the school.

Speaker 8 (02:48:50):
Didn't get suspitied.

Speaker 1 (02:48:52):
J card, right, there.

Speaker 8 (02:48:54):
That's a fact.

Speaker 26 (02:48:55):
Even niggas would be like.

Speaker 1 (02:48:57):
Two women be like, you know what, I knew you
was gonna leave me, Like you always leave me because
women always like we run that game on y'all.

Speaker 26 (02:49:05):
My mama left all my women. Nobody value me. You
just like them other bitches.

Speaker 2 (02:49:09):
I knew you.

Speaker 1 (02:49:10):
And then the women be like, well, damn, I don't
want to be like the other bitches, So let me
kind of stay okay, babe, And.

Speaker 26 (02:49:14):
If we got you back, it out, We got you back.
We're back on the game.

Speaker 11 (02:49:18):
How we doing?

Speaker 1 (02:49:19):
Not me?

Speaker 23 (02:49:20):
I would start laughing at that.

Speaker 1 (02:49:22):
That was wild. That's kind of a horrible person. Why
would they would be Why was I saying? Why would
they be laughing at that?

Speaker 6 (02:49:34):
Be?

Speaker 1 (02:49:34):
What kind of what kind of shit is that? Talk
to me? Why would you laugh? Who was that female?
Why are you laughing? What's so funny?

Speaker 29 (02:49:42):
If someone used that type of manipulation, you're trying to
get out of a relationship and they say you everyone leaves,
and like what your the relationship is over?

Speaker 11 (02:49:52):
It's over.

Speaker 29 (02:49:53):
I just personally wouldn't fall for that.

Speaker 6 (02:49:57):
But they're gonna cut themselves.

Speaker 12 (02:50:00):
They need professional help.

Speaker 33 (02:50:02):
Look, here's the thing, Hey, if you're gonna do something
because I leave, I can't stop.

Speaker 12 (02:50:07):
You from doing that. Like, I'm not about.

Speaker 33 (02:50:10):
To feel I'm not gonna stay with you just because
you say that. I'm gonna call not one one and
have them commit your ass to the site.

Speaker 12 (02:50:18):
Lord, I'm not, I'm not, but I'm gonna make sure
you're good. I'm gonna have them fifty nine to fifty
your ass and fifty one fifty whatever. You know what
I'm saying. Let them take you because I'm still leaving.

Speaker 1 (02:50:37):
Nos, ain't gonna do nothing but go party.

Speaker 12 (02:50:41):
Hey, that's what's up.

Speaker 26 (02:50:42):
That's a good day for them.

Speaker 12 (02:50:43):
Drinks on me.

Speaker 1 (02:50:45):
Mm hmm. Well, let's continue this conversation. Thank you, doctor
B and Danielle and Albert. Is the healing Journey used
for manipulating people in certain situations. I feel like people
use the healing Journey and y'all just sitting on it
ship just to have excuses. I want to continue the conversation.
Picking the room up and share the room up if
you know anyone that wants to, you know, talk on

(02:51:07):
the war floor. Also join the telegram if you have
not as well, so that way, when these conversations go live,
you'll have links and resources to come right in here.
Right is the healing journey used for manipulating continue this conversation.
The floor is open for Sean over to you. You've
been kicking shit since I open this morning.

Speaker 11 (02:51:25):
Let's not listen. Bogus. Most definitely weaponarys because if if,
if most people are, if they on a healing journey
where it's affecting their ability to engage, they shouldn't be
in a position that they need to engage. I'm talking
about romantically. If it's if it's that much of an issue,

(02:51:46):
you cannot play the game, right, so get so go
somewhere and get that fixed, right, you got You gotta
take some time out the game for a little while
so you can properly play. You can play injured, but
you can't play broke. You know what I'm saying. It's different,
it's different levels of injury. Right, you might be able

(02:52:06):
to tie.

Speaker 26 (02:52:07):
It's you can play hurt, you can't play injured.

Speaker 11 (02:52:09):
There you go, you can you can play hurt, you
can't play injured, you know what I'm saying. And a
lot of people are like, oh, it's manipulative. If you
injured and you're trying to play like, oh, you know,
I'm sorry, y'all, did you wrong. I'm just traumatized, or
I've been going through this, or I went through this
as a kid, or I'm my heart ain't good right now, Like,

(02:52:30):
go sit the fuck down. Then to lead them alone,
you fucking sociopath, Like.

Speaker 1 (02:52:35):
That's why Danielsay is gonna comit up to the same ward.

Speaker 27 (02:52:38):
You know what I mean, I understand, I get it.

Speaker 11 (02:52:41):
I'm just saying, man, if I if I can't play,
if I'm not in the place to properly love somebody
because of the ship that I got going on, or
maybe I'm struggling with her loving myself, how fucking rude,
how fucking mean, how fucking inconsiderate? Is it that it's
to me to try to go to somebody else and
extract what I can't give myself to them or require

(02:53:04):
them to show up in a way that I cannot.
Not only is the manipulous, it's destructive and dishonest, it's
cowardly because really, I'm just doing that because I want
to be alone, or I want to be certain I'm
feeding my ego. Most people are fucking ego maniacs that
we be trying to give grace for so many people
while not respecting the other person that's being harmed. Go

(02:53:25):
shit your ass down and go get some fucking help. Man,
I'm gonna get some help.

Speaker 1 (02:53:29):
That's why.

Speaker 11 (02:53:30):
That's why every time I've got on the relationship, I
take a nice amount of time to just getting some
fucking help, taking, taking an audit of what experience, what
I experienced, what I think I experienced, what I need
to learn, and then check in with the motherfucker that's
helping me, and like, hey, do you think I'm ready

(02:53:51):
to get back in this thing? Because I think I am,
or I might be, I might want to.

Speaker 1 (02:53:54):
Be ready to.

Speaker 11 (02:53:57):
And then I go look in the world and I'm like,
all right, what the where the world?

Speaker 6 (02:54:00):
That now?

Speaker 11 (02:54:01):
Not now that I feel like I'm ready to participate.
A year or two then went by the game? Ain't
the game the same game I was in before? How
do I adjust to the new game? And do I
want to play with these motherfuckers?

Speaker 6 (02:54:13):
Man?

Speaker 11 (02:54:13):
We bet motherfuckers be super entitled to other people's love
and energy at all costs. And then they start and
they end up scarring people. I'm injured. I'm injured and traumatized.
So now I'm about to go to this motherfucker and
they was doing decent, but now I'd have did some
fucked up shit to them. Now they harmed and traumatized.
Now Stacking doctor b gotta deal with that shit. And

(02:54:35):
how they want to know why stacking doctor be cutting
their ass off so early because Stack and the doctor
be not dealing with that shit, not realizing like, oh,
they dealt with an unhealed motherfucker, and that that's claiming.
Oh I'm I'm on my healing journey for fucking ever,
and just love me as I am. And now I
hadn fucked her up and now she and not me,
and that otherwise would have loved on her. Don't want

(02:54:55):
to deal with her because she own bullshit. So now
I hurt people, just hurt people. I'm not that much
of an ass I'm not I'm not an asshole like that.

Speaker 1 (02:55:10):
Man, Let's continue this conversation. Thank you for that, for Sean,
is the healing Germany weaponized in situations? Thank you for that. Albert,
I think it is. I think that it is you
use this healing journey and you get yourself out of

(02:55:30):
certain situations that you normally couldn't have got yourself out
of right, Let's talk about this shit. Let's expand the conversation,
ping it out, share the room out, Let's talk about
this a little bit. Is the healing journey weaponized in situations?
Who's coming in next?

Speaker 18 (02:55:48):
Let's go if it's If it's actually a healing journey,
wouldn't it kind of be.

Speaker 1 (02:55:53):
A contradiction of terrence to try to womanize it.

Speaker 11 (02:55:55):
Let's talk about it, because you couldn't lean on it
if that's actually you know what's happening. So so, if
I know that I'm on a healing journey and things
trigger me and I get triggered.

Speaker 1 (02:56:09):
How does it make sense for me to use use
it as an excuse?

Speaker 11 (02:56:13):
You got I'm gonna need some help with that one,
because you're not really on a healing time. It's it's
an amazing con brother, It's a it's a great way
to gain sympathy. It's a narcissistic tactic to get somebody

(02:56:39):
to put themselves in a position to where they want
to serve you and help.

Speaker 1 (02:56:45):
Right.

Speaker 11 (02:56:45):
It's it's a it's a it's a it's a strategy
and victimhood.

Speaker 18 (02:56:48):
It's very it's very slick like.

Speaker 11 (02:56:51):
Think about it as a man, you already are in
a position where you want to serve a woman. If
you see her in danger or needing help, that's gonna
be turned up. And if you tell you like, oh,
I've been hurt in the past, you know I'm just
going through this. Things are bad right now.

Speaker 30 (02:57:05):
Now.

Speaker 11 (02:57:05):
You think she pretty, you want her, you want her
to like you, and you're like, oh, you need you
need to be loved on. Nigga, did you bad? I
can love you. That's weaponized, but that's extremely manipulous advanced
con artistry.

Speaker 36 (02:57:20):
So many women I hear be like, oh, I'm on
my healing journey, and I guess they think they be
talking to a fucking idiot, and I'll be looking around.

Speaker 25 (02:57:29):
I'm like, where the fuck is the word?

Speaker 1 (02:57:31):
Yo, animal, let's wake it up. Animal.

Speaker 36 (02:57:37):
He's like, yo, I don't never hear talking about coming
from therapy nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:57:45):
This shit crazy.

Speaker 36 (02:57:47):
They definitely be weaponizing that shit, Sean.

Speaker 49 (02:57:54):
And then after they do come from therapy, they come
from a therapist that doesn't even hold them accountable. A
lot of a lot of people sit here and try
to say, you know, I am doing the work I
am over here on my healing journey only because they're
so used to the manipulation and the coercion tactics. They
don't sit here and do it from a place of

(02:58:15):
self awareness. They do it from a subconscious trait.

Speaker 11 (02:58:21):
I'd be like, Damn, you ain't got no homework. Your
therapist ain't getting no damn homework. Damn maybe my therapist
are overachiever. Hey, animal man, These therapists be phibitous, bro.
They not try to give her no homework. They trying
to let her know that she ain't did nothing wrong
in the world. Is patriarchy? Did it wrong?

Speaker 1 (02:58:43):
Shit? Crazy? Bro?

Speaker 36 (02:58:45):
I mean having books to read when I know from
therapist yet I don't know, Man, it's just my other
due to experience.

Speaker 1 (02:58:57):
That's crazy. Who's dumping in that, Kimberly, get that.

Speaker 23 (02:59:01):
To answer respects question. Being triggered is not permission to
harm or hurt others, nor should it be used as
a handicap to excuse bad behavior. I personally am someone
who have truly been on a healing journey, but I
do go to therapy and all of that. But it's

(02:59:21):
really important to be accountable. I think it's really important
to communicate our triggers. But I'm never ever if I
do something that I know is hurtful, foul, harmful, whatever
to another person, I say, hey, I did this because
of this, but I shouldn't have did that, and here's
what I'm doing to do it differently. I think a

(02:59:41):
lot of people, like doctor B said, do it so
that they can escape accountability. And being triggered should never
ever be used as an excuse to mistreat, belittle, or
just emotionally dump on somebody else. It just goes back
to the golden rule pretty much, treat people how you

(03:00:02):
want to be treated, and it's okay to share your
triggers and the things that set you off, but it's
never ever, and I'm gonna keep repeating that, it is
never okay to justify bad behavior because you have gone
through trauma. You have to sit down and do the work.
And now we don't know the work work until we

(03:00:22):
actually have to work it. So there are going to
be people in our lives that are gonna call us
on our stuff, and we got to be able to admit, yes,
I got it wrong, Yes something happened to me, but
it does not give me a right to mistreat or
go and traumatize another person. So it does not mean
that we won't ever be triggered, but it is our
responsibility to do the work to learn how to manage them.

(03:00:45):
That's all I have.

Speaker 49 (03:00:47):
I agree, but I think that a lot of people
don't realize that they cannot only be accountable to the
level of awareness that their own parents have. So if
their parents couldn't be accountable and actually apologize to them
for any any wrongdoings they made, they're never going to
want to apologize to anybody else because that wasn't the

(03:01:09):
level of accountability that no one taught them. And so
I think a lot of the times it does have levels.
You have levels of accountability, levels of awareness, levels of
healing as well. And so if you continuously try to
say I am accountable but are not seeing the other
person's perspective of how you're hurting them, then what's the

(03:01:33):
point of saying that you're accountable?

Speaker 23 (03:01:36):
But we still at this big ground age like blameing parents, Yeah,
that doesn't work. That's an excuse again to avoid accountability,
to avoid doing the work. Healing is a personal responsibility,
regardless to whether your parents did whatever, whether they apologize.

(03:01:57):
Sometimes you may never get the apology, you may never
get the acknowledgment. So does that mean you just walk
through the rest of your life causing damage, herd and
harm to other people because you never got what you needed?
When period point blank, get up and go do the work.
Go find you a therapist, go find a counselor friend,
whatever you need. Get up and go do the work
for yourself, rather than sitting back making excuses to stay

(03:02:20):
paralyzed and stuck in a place where you're walking through
the world hurting and damaging other people.

Speaker 5 (03:02:26):
So I disagree with that.

Speaker 49 (03:02:29):
It's it's not to say that these people should not
be you know, grown and take up for the you know,
the their own issues. It's to say that have you
ever had that one home girl where you keep telling her,
like you need to leave this man, you need to
leave this man, and she's just like in such delusion.

(03:02:52):
So many people go through that delusion phase to say
I just I don't see it. I don't see that
on the issue, and they continue go through life not
seeing that they're the actual issue until you start breaking
things down for them to sit here and say, like
this is where the problem started, and this is what
you need to fix. That is where accountability happens, is

(03:03:15):
when you really start to hit this, really hit the
stem or the root of the issue and starts to
work from that point forward. And because people don't want
to go back to the root of the issue because
it's something that they already live through and dealt with,
they never they never really unravel that, and they continuously

(03:03:36):
go through those triggers.

Speaker 23 (03:03:38):
That's still a person who is avoiding facing the truth
of themselves and they are still looking for somebody else
to fix them, and nobody else can fix us. It
is a personal choice. You have to decide for yourself
do I want to stay in this hurt, broken place?
And if the individual chooses to sit there, nobody has

(03:03:59):
to sit around them and deal with it. Nobody has
to sit around and babysit their traumas and their triggers.

Speaker 6 (03:04:06):
That is on them.

Speaker 23 (03:04:06):
People got to learn how to be honest and face
the truth of themselves, period, point blank.

Speaker 11 (03:04:11):
Yeah, Kimberly, I think the nuance here because yeah, don't
nobody gotta deal with that shit. But your first thing
that you say is like, it's a choice a person
gotta say if I'm hurt or I need some help,
and I expressed that early. I don't know if you
was here, but that is the first step is realizing
that something is wrong. The second step is going to
get some help, right. And I imagine what body is

(03:04:34):
alluding to. It is like on our end as the
receiver or the observer of somebody on bullshit, it's having
the emotional aquaym or and tell this to be able
to identify what's happening, not saying that we have to
accept it, but see what's happening and maybe remove ourselves.

Speaker 8 (03:04:50):
Right.

Speaker 11 (03:04:50):
But for the person that's doing the bullshit, I think
the question is at what point in time do you
go and get the help? Like, at what point time
do you say, damn, this is not right. And I'm
gonna be honest, especially since we in gender wars, it's
a lot more difficult for women to do that. And

(03:05:11):
y'all hear me speak about it a lot of time, Kimberly,
like a young girl who don't have a father or
a masculine frame dad, big brother, uncles, men who are
not sexually motivated to her tell her the truth about
her responsibility and value in the world. If a young
lady grows up without that, she becomes a young woman

(03:05:32):
in her teenage years in our adult years, and is
under the impression that what she is is enough, and
her poor, horrible behavior goes unchecked. So why would you
know that whole concept? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
She ain't fucking broke, and the world is telling her
that niggas is the problem. Men are the fucking issue.

(03:05:52):
So women are collectively usually not looking at themselves as
like the thing that need to fix. That's why we
got these clubhouse rooms. Women always telling them niggas what
they need to do because they clearly not the problem.
And I think what a money is alluding to is
at some point in time, the woman got to be like, damn,
it's me. What Taylor will say, it's me, it's me,
I'm the problem.

Speaker 8 (03:06:12):
It's me, and.

Speaker 11 (03:06:16):
Saying is me, you got to get some help because
saying is me in enough. I think you're saying it's
a choice, and you know, but it's a choice. It's
a choice to stay there and not get no help.
But I don't. I don't see people able to fix themselves.
Something my teacher told me when I was young, Kim
believe he said, if the mind that caused the problem
could fix the problem, there wouldn't be a problem. We

(03:06:38):
can't do this shit alone.

Speaker 23 (03:06:40):
I totally agree with you, and I'm speaking from personal experience,
And you asked a good question, like when does the
person go get the help? I was someone I had
to get sick of myself. I got sick of my
own attitude. I got sick of my own temper. It's
times now I may flip out and off the handle,

(03:07:00):
but I hate how it leaves me feeling. I hate
the way it makes me look. So because I don't
like that about myself, I then will get on the phone,
whether it's with a therapist or whoever, to say, Okay,
I fell short, I did XYZ, I shouldn't have did it.
And I'm also mature enough to go to the individual
to say I know I shouldn't have did that. I'm sorry.

(03:07:23):
I'm doing my best to work on and here's what
I'm gonna do to move forward. More importantly, here is
what I need from you so that I can avoid
doing that. Because sometimes we can offend people, and some
individuals want us to only sit in our offense, not
understanding there's a cause and effect for everything that we

(03:07:43):
do in life. It does not excuse my bad behavior,
but it is to say, hey, I need you to
avoid doing XYZ so that I can make sure I
don't do what I did to offend you. If that
makes sense.

Speaker 39 (03:07:56):
And that's problematic, I think because you you can, yes,
you can tell them that, yeah, you should avoid this behavior.
But unless they're like you're caretaker or somebody, they don't.

Speaker 18 (03:08:08):
Have to deal with that shit.

Speaker 11 (03:08:09):
So I was like, why wouldn't you just.

Speaker 23 (03:08:12):
Epany I'm speaking of disrespect. Let me be clear, So
now nobody don't get to disrespect anyone and then expect
respect and return. That's what I'm speaking of. I'm not
talking about something minw I'm speaking of a situation or
situations where I have been disrespected and then I responded
disrespectful lee. That's what I'm talking about. Let's be real clear.

(03:08:33):
I ain't talking about nothing.

Speaker 25 (03:08:34):
Oh yeah, well then that's warranted.

Speaker 11 (03:08:36):
I mean, yeah, floor's open, floor is open. What y'all think?
Where were we at? April Delphin's got the stage, dj
Ak and the building, my homie, see the soul, respect,
my man Jarvish, little Mama, DEMI good to see you
and need to hear your voice in here, not yo

(03:08:56):
still in here. Can't believe we'll appreciate that. Well, y'all, let.

Speaker 10 (03:09:04):
Good morning everyone. I think that is it weaponized in situations. Yes,
I think people use their healing journey journey to be
the reason why they act a certain type of way
and do certain things. And I don't think that it's right,
But I feel like sometimes when people are going through
like a lot and they have a lot on their plate,
it makes them act a certain way because I feel

(03:09:25):
like people process they're healing journey differently. People cope with
like whatever they're going through differently. So I think that
is a reason for people to act a certain way
or treat people a certain way and know it's not
right for them to be bitter or angrier, use people,

(03:09:46):
or manipulate people because they're going through things, because it's
like we're all going through things. But that's not a
reason for you to treat someone a certain way or
manipulate someone or lie to them or play games or
whatever the case may be, just because you're going through
a lot, Because it's like you don't know what that
person's going through and you're putting them through all of
that because you're dealing with your situation. I just don't

(03:10:08):
think it's fair.

Speaker 11 (03:10:14):
Hold on, so you wait, wait, maybe I missed it.
You said you don't think it's manipulative.

Speaker 10 (03:10:19):
No, I didn't say that.

Speaker 47 (03:10:20):
I didn't.

Speaker 10 (03:10:21):
I said that people do manipulate people because of what
they're going through, and I don't think that's fair because
it's just like that person that you're manipulating or doing wrong,
or whatever the case may be. That person could be
going through a lot too and they still treat you good,
but you're treating them bad because you're trying to cope

(03:10:41):
and process whatever it is that you're going through, and
that's just how you deal with your situation. But I
don't think it's fair to the other person.

Speaker 11 (03:10:49):
Oh damn, April, you just woke Someme up because I
don't think we touched on that, and I think I
think all of us has probably experienced that. Put it
one in the chat. If you feel like you've experienced
a person I was going through some pretty hard time
and they treated you bad because of it. At the
same time, you was going through a difficult time, but
you didn't treat them bad. And if you experienced that

(03:11:11):
on stage. You know, share with us a little bit
about how that affected you and what you think. You know,
what you think about people that did it.

Speaker 23 (03:11:20):
For Sean, I definitely have gone through it. That's kind
of the example I just used For me.

Speaker 5 (03:11:27):
It set me off.

Speaker 23 (03:11:28):
I became very belligerent, very rageful, very disrespectful, simply because
I had spent so much time giving this individual grace
and I've been through some really really serious traumatic things.
But I never ever use it as an excuse. Right,
Like I said, if I get set off and I

(03:11:51):
do wrong, I'm a person will come back and hold
myself accountable. So for me, it was like, yeah, I
can't do this, I'm about to check you on sight.
You got to get put in your place. But even
in that, I had to learn how to overcome the
spirit of offense. God literally set me down to say, Okay,

(03:12:13):
at the end of the day, even though they did
you wrong, it wasn't right for you to go back
and do wrong. So now you have a consequence. And
the root of it was me feeling offended. So once
I was able to overcome the spirit of offense, I
wasn't so easily triggered.

Speaker 1 (03:12:31):
So yo, L Kimberly, we're gonna shut down. We're gonna
we're gonna go to real quick, all right, We're gonna
go to Albert, and then I'm up. I'll probably crank
in the wars a little later, shut this down, and
then we'll be back talking about more topics and ship
I'll be back in a little later, so appreciate all
y'all support and the war floor. I'll be back in
a minute. I'm about to go trade some crypto hop
on a phone call, but go to Albert's room and

(03:12:51):
I'll be back in later. I love y'all, Big Pat

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