Gender Warz World Wide Episode 14- "Are People Evolving In Relationships?"

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Shit, wolfloor never stops. Feel me? Oh my god, sheesh.
There's gonna be a lot of people coming through. I'm
gonna be inviting my Broski stud It's trauma the new
identity in dating culture. Do people automatically go to trauma responses?

(00:27):
And shit? That's what I want to know. I'll be
picking some of my people, some of my mod squad
in here, letting them know that, YO, be ready, do
you feel me? And I'm gonna be just going insane
with this topic because I want to talk about it.
So Mike, Marlena, and Michelle, I appreciate you guys. I

(00:47):
just opened my post, Ea just pulled up. You already know.
And I'll be talking about this shit. It's up to
what I'm toxic man. Oh hell no sh So we'll
be waiting for some people to come by me and yeah,
we hope you guys have been enjoying the show. It's

(01:08):
been crazy. It's been a lot of different heads like
we like, we like the energy, like the war. We
won't stop the damn war and it continues. So the
people that's sit here, Kelly, doctor Mitch, Lose, please pin
this from up. Don come up if you want. Man,

(01:28):
we're gonna be talking about this ship is trauma the
new identity in dating culture. Uh, me and me and
ye will be pining this up. I can't wait to
hear from you guys. Let me hit this ping list
real quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
What do you mean? Let me see right now?

Speaker 1 (01:45):
We've been having some fire ass topics too, So I
appreciate you guys for always like supporting us tooths like
it shows a lot like when y'all pull up and
support and we go crazy and we talk about this.
But it's trauma, the new identity and the culture. I
feel like it is people will automatically go to trauma.
They'll automatically, Oh man, this shit wasn't good or damn this,

(02:10):
you know what I mean? Just because your last situation
wasn't good doesn't mean you're gonna take it out on
this new situation. Do you understand you have to have
a fresh plate on every situation. You can't be taking
every situation out on everybody. Why would you want to
take a city? All right? If?

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeay?

Speaker 1 (02:28):
If I went around in every situation and I took
what happened in the last situation out on everyone, I
would never get anywhere Bro, the situation would never get
nowhere from me and that new person. That'll be like, damn, well,
you know you sound batter, or you sound like you
got trauma, or you sound like you know what I mean,
you automatically get this bad shit. As soon as you

(02:50):
guys are a dragging last feelings and past feelings from
past situations into the new situation, It's never gonna work
out for you. Stop stop putting your new in these
new situations. I skinned up here that go. Stop putting
yourself in these new situations when you yo. Every time
I think about this shit, right, Yeah, you know I

(03:10):
was talking about Bro, I was like, the trauma. The
trauma is crazy because people will automatically bring a situation
that they went to through and then bring it to
the new situation, Like, damn, why are you taking this
shit out on me? Don't take this shit out on me.
You should look at yourself and do the self work.
How do you feel about that? Yeah, thank you for
coming up salmon Ice. Yeah, how do you feel about that?

(03:32):
People need to do look in the mirror. Why is
it that you are bringing your trauma from the last
situation to me? Now I gotta deal with a bunch
of chaos and drama. What the fuck's no wrong?

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Bro?

Speaker 5 (03:42):
Let's talk about it.

Speaker 6 (03:44):
Bro.

Speaker 7 (03:44):
I don't know, man, it's the healing process. And you
know what's crazy. They try to make that word healing table.
It's always table?

Speaker 1 (03:55):
What healing back?

Speaker 8 (03:56):
What do you mean healing?

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Like?

Speaker 8 (03:57):
You feel what I'm saying? So?

Speaker 7 (03:58):
I think I think that people don't take enough time
to like breathe in between time when they when when
they get into a toxic or fucked up relationship, they
aven't gotta be that toxic.

Speaker 9 (04:08):
If I was just saying, ain't workout?

Speaker 8 (04:11):
Being broken? Is being broken or healing it? So it
seems that seems to garner empathy.

Speaker 7 (04:17):
And the tension that has become like a social currency
at this point of view. If you've been paying attention,
you know what I'm saying. So, And I'll give you
an example example like bios that just a wounded love,
a wounded soul loving for love or trauma bonding as
a dating term, like people put that in their bios

(04:38):
shit like that.

Speaker 8 (04:39):
You know what I'm saying. So, I don't know, ladies,
what y'all think about it?

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Man?

Speaker 8 (04:42):
What do you think about this?

Speaker 1 (04:43):
This? This title even PMO. How you feel man, thank
you for coming up. It's trauma the new identity and
dating culture.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
I feel like, you know, people are running into each
other and just bonding off this bullshit. Let's get into it.

Speaker 10 (05:00):
Hey, how are you? I think that in a sense, yes,
I think that a lot of people are trauma bonding
your relationships because of things that they can relate to.
I don't think that they really took the time to
fully heal themselves. And so in a sense of really,

(05:21):
instead of doing the work on yourself you were you're
rushing into a relationship because of what society has to say,
because oh, you need a man or you need a woman,
instead of taking a time for you to really get
you together. Because moving forward, when you deal with somebody,
you can't blame your past partners and put it on
your new partner, if that makes sense, Like I can't

(05:42):
blame you what the last man did to me is
not there, Or you can't blame me what the last
woman did to you. That's not fair to me, Like
we're different people, were different individuals, and if you are
in the mindset, then you need to say single until
you truly heal yourself.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
I agree with you, PM. Most stay single until you
truly hear your stuff. Nobody want to see you bleeding everywhere?
Why are you bleeding on me? Why are you bleeding
on your mom? Why are you bleeding on yy?

Speaker 8 (06:15):
Like?

Speaker 1 (06:15):
You know what I'm saying, like, like, let's let's let's
get some band aids before we go get your light
skin drake ass up here? The hell Rico thinking this
is while while it's nice and small, we're gonna get
Rico's ass now. I don't give a fuck what you think,
because you're gonna pull up every single fucking time. You know,
you know Ice, you know he be talking ship, but

(06:37):
the nigga will pull up every time. Recordeous to listen, Listen, listen.
She don't want to hear that bullshit Rego Listen. You
don't want to hear that. Now listen. You don't have that,
now listen to Rigo. Do you feel like trauma is
the new identity in the dating culture, Your damn light
skinned motherfucker talk to me.

Speaker 11 (06:59):
No, I think trauma's a new identified culture and clubhouse
because most people that's in the real world, they're not
they're not doing, they're not they don't talk like this. Man,
This is y'all your hyper focus on the negativity, your
hyper focus on the things that go wrong, money.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
Everything that's negative about relationships.

Speaker 12 (07:18):
This is what y'all high like, y'all make relationships sound
so bad, so evil, speaking of the devil themselves?

Speaker 1 (07:24):
What's up on meya?

Speaker 12 (07:25):
Like y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all make these things
sound so bad. It's like almost like you don't even
want to like y'all try to make this equation like
this thing to like, oh if I overthink this and
this personality and while women want to do this, it's
like y'all don't even want to have the enjoyment of

(07:46):
just the adventure of the experience.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
So now it's like y'all trying to and I'm gonna
lay in here, y'all trying.

Speaker 12 (07:51):
To like do long division like on relationships, like why
men don't want this and if I pay this and
go that? Like come on, man, y'all, y'all making trauma
for yourself. All y'all have now step into this whole
thing of like being traumatic.

Speaker 5 (08:06):
You've done it to yourself just by being on this app.

Speaker 12 (08:08):
You know what I'm saying, imagine someone that's in that
just want to go date somebody and they come on
here for like two weeks to hear the way y'all speak.

Speaker 13 (08:15):
They're gonna be like, what the fuck? What's going on
on here? This just sound like Martian talk? Yeah, but
they wouldn't though. That's that's that's the thing. I'm trying
to get other people to realize. The other people who've
paired off, they've already done it. These are the odd socks.
Nobody wants to admit it.

Speaker 8 (08:34):
Odd socks.

Speaker 14 (08:35):
It's crazy.

Speaker 12 (08:38):
You know Tonight's conversation and and you know it's giving podcasts,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Those are the odd socks.

Speaker 12 (08:50):
The people who've already happily paired off in Black America
are gone. They have zero interest or need to be here.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Why am I here?

Speaker 12 (08:57):
I'm something of an odd sock, But I've taken my
odd sock and actually made money with it, so I've
actually done something with it. Most people aren't this enterprising
or as crazy as I am. So most people are
kind of odd tocked and don't want to admit that
they're not talk And it's a good reason why they're
not talking what I'm saying though, Mama, Okay, here's the thing.

(09:18):
You're somebody, not you, a person. Come a person that's
on here. They want to be in a relationship. They
they look forward to that. But every day on this application,
when you push this fearful rhetoric, you further push to
me people in this position of being scared more so

(09:38):
scared to even go out there to dating field because
you have to think about all these things to me
that really don't have no significance to really how that's
going to play out. You kind of like preparing for
an accident before the like before it happened, Like you're
scared to drive now you so fearful of what will
happen if you know, because the weather is bad or
the streets may be a little wet, you're not even

(09:59):
trying to like just go out there. So I think
people that's on the application, including myself, I think every
day we own here, it deabilitates you more of being
what natural would come natural as just a human being.

Speaker 8 (10:14):
I mean, when it comes to that, right, I think what's.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
An important everything?

Speaker 15 (10:19):
Yeah, the driving analogy sounds good, but there's safety procedures
and everything.

Speaker 5 (10:25):
You know, you have to do precautions.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
You have to be on the seat belt, supposed to
drive with your seat belt.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
You know, you're supposed to.

Speaker 5 (10:31):
Drive with good vision.

Speaker 15 (10:33):
And if you have bad vision, somebody got a hot
mic turn off your hepe mind, thank you. So it's like,
if you have bad vision, you're supposed to get glasses
or you know, get surgery for it.

Speaker 5 (10:45):
You understand.

Speaker 15 (10:46):
If if you can't be drunk or high, you understand,
because if you drunk or high when you drive, what's
gonna happen. It's going to be a casualty or fuck
up some people's property.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
At least you understand. So the thing is, it's like, yeah,
when you're.

Speaker 15 (11:02):
Driving your car and everything, you're supposed to have safety precautions.
So I think with a lot of fellas out here
when they talk about like this Dayton, yeah, it's not
a fear thing. It's just to be safe, you know,
be aware of this type of dangers and everything, And
this is the type of things that you should do.
You should be able to vet this woman. You should
be able to see her background. You should see how

(11:22):
many kids that she has. You should see if she
has like twelve sugar daddies, eleven male friends, ten abortions,
none punk ass boyfriends, eight baby daddies. And if you
see those type of signs, are you going to stay
or are you going to leave? These are the consequences
that may happen if you end up staying and all
that stuff. So it's like you gotta have you gotta
be aware.

Speaker 5 (11:41):
Of the dangers that's ahead and all.

Speaker 15 (11:43):
It's just like when you fly on the plane and everything,
what the polor do to check the weather and everything
if it's dangerous.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
You know, if the weather.

Speaker 15 (11:50):
Is bad and everything might have to route, fly around
the clouds.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
And all of that stuff.

Speaker 16 (11:55):
So all of those things.

Speaker 15 (11:56):
Is definitely important, and everything safety procedures.

Speaker 12 (12:05):
You're literally robbing me of my experience. You're robbing me
of my experience to fall in love. You're robbing me
of the of the romance of us figuring it out.
You're taking my mind, and you're making me fearful of
something I don't have yet, to be fearful of what
safety precautions. Once I love somebody, I'm already vulnerable to

(12:26):
that person. You're making it to where people are so
polarized to these fighting corners. Put your gloves on like
y'all have made it to where you can't even be
with somebody in that way. Y'all have literally made this
a war. He's the name of the damn club gender wars.
You see a beautiful lady, HD, makefly right now? You
scared to go up to a right now? Clubhouse is

(12:48):
in your mind? You don't even want to talk to
that lady right now. You're gonna have Momal's voice in
your head. You're gonna hear all these dudes voice in
your head. She fine, she pretty, she's sweet, she smelled good.
You fearful right now, HD that if a woman at
Starbus at Duncan Donuts, you ain't gonna say nothing.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
Before a clubhouse, you would have.

Speaker 12 (13:07):
You would have gladly took your shot and just tried
to put it on the line. If you listen to me,
I would take that as a big compliment because he
would know that such serendipitous.

Speaker 9 (13:21):
Encounters only have. They have a high risk and low reward.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Payout.

Speaker 12 (13:28):
There's only fifteen percent success rate. The most successful maters
are those who deal with people that they already know,
people they go to school with, people they go to
work with people that they're in there social networks. That's
the most successful way of going The least successful way
is stepping to the trick at the baristas Starbucks, or

(13:50):
chatting up the chicken line at the supermarket, or trying
to hit up on somebody at the nightclub. That's the
least successful way of doing it.

Speaker 15 (13:59):
Yeah, this women are serial killers basically.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Going to keep you.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Would you say, Rad, bring it up?

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Rad?

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Were we talking about.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
How they're going to keep him singing?

Speaker 17 (14:14):
Club House is going to keep you single? Because when
he was born, Mama wasn't in your womb, Rigo wasn't
his mine in the woom was killed. And you listen
at the other yigs and what they're saying and how
they think you were clown and then you.

Speaker 18 (14:34):
And then in life, life is about risk.

Speaker 17 (14:36):
If you don't take risk, you're going to stay in
the same bullshit that you're in right now.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Your red wake that ship up, Red.

Speaker 18 (14:45):
Clubhouse, they're gonna.

Speaker 8 (14:52):
But I will say that they don't have to worry. Man, God,
God made us to be attracted.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Been kind of off him.

Speaker 8 (15:00):
I'm fine.

Speaker 10 (15:01):
I would just say there's nothing wrong with assessing the
situation before you getting involved too deep involved into it.
I think that's the problem with a lot of people nowadays.
A lot of people rush into relationships without assessing the
situation to see.

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Can you deal with that much damage?

Speaker 10 (15:16):
Because no one's perfect, everyone's flawed, we all have mistakes,
we all been through things. But are you going to
take on that much with the individual? I think that's
why a lot of people trauma bond in relationships in
twenty twenty fives.

Speaker 17 (15:29):
That's cool and all you lived your life already. Stop
trying to project your fears on other people.

Speaker 10 (15:35):
Oh no, it's not projecting fears. I'm just being realistic.
When you loosen on clubhouse, A lot of people on
Clubhouse always talk about the trauma bonding relationship that they've
been in. So reality is what's wrong with taking the
time to assess the situation. That's called betting the process
getting to know individuals. Why are we so quick to

(15:55):
rush into a relationship because what society has to say
to be with somebody like you can't be by yourself
and heal yourself and work on yourself. I'm not saying
date like, no date, go ahead and date and live
your life, but hell, the traumas that you've been through
in your past seriously, so that when you get into
a healthy relationship, you know what it looks like and
you don't self sabotage your relationship because it's uneasy to you.

(16:18):
A lot of people a self sabotage because they're not
used to good people.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
They're so used to toxic.

Speaker 10 (16:22):
Individuals that they don't know what else to do but
self sabotage, and they'll never be happy, that's all.

Speaker 7 (16:30):
How can you spot someone if they're leaving with leading
with trauma instead of compatibility?

Speaker 19 (16:39):
How can you spot someone is.

Speaker 7 (16:42):
Leading with trauma instead of compatibility, because that's where it
all really comes from.

Speaker 17 (16:50):
You gotta take a risk, like niggas is psychic now,
Like you could just look at a person and be like, yeah,
like you got trauma, let me stay away, and I
even talked to you.

Speaker 18 (17:01):
Yet that's why y'all single for real?

Speaker 19 (17:04):
Okay, Yeah, you have.

Speaker 8 (17:06):
To you have to take Let me give an example.

Speaker 7 (17:09):
Have you ever been with someone and the first the
conversation that you had, the first leading conversation is they
talk about how each other's uh boyfriend or girlfriend taught
them and treated them and how they don't want to
fuck with them and stuff like that. Haven't ever haven't
have you ever had a conversation with someone like that before,
because that's the leader with trauma instead of compatibility.

Speaker 9 (17:28):
Yeah, thank god no.

Speaker 12 (17:31):
But I mean it's pretty straightforward. I mean, you have
you have similar interests. One way to do that is college.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Y'all both have.

Speaker 12 (17:39):
Similar interests, you're both similar classes, you both take similar
topics and subjects.

Speaker 9 (17:47):
There you go. That's one. That's one example.

Speaker 12 (17:51):
People college, We're not going back to college. These are
middle age adults that's looking for someone to share life
with and have experiences with. No one's going back to
college to psyche class to one O one. We're not
doing that. So we have to put these people in
perspective of where their lives are. These people are setting
their careers to sudden their livelihood. And what I'm trying

(18:13):
to say is that if you keep speaking negativity to
what she said, yes it's okay to vet somebody more.
But guess what, there's no guarantees with all your vetting.
If y'all, if then y'all vet the people y'all was
with before, then y'all look for these so called signs before.
So now y'all are so called got more knowledge on dating,

(18:35):
you got more weapons in your arsenal, but now you're.

Speaker 9 (18:37):
Too scared to put your foot in.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
Front of the other one.

Speaker 12 (18:40):
So I'm talking about a fearful mindset here that the
traumatic response of you forced to come on the app
and talk about how you went wrong and who went
wrong and what to do and what to ask about and.

Speaker 9 (18:53):
Single mother this and what men ain't doing that.

Speaker 12 (18:56):
This shit is all in your mind and it's put
you in you know, mental prison that you can't even
break out yourself.

Speaker 15 (19:06):
I mean I even had to vet my sex dog, you.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Know, how to check out the.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Why is this all of that?

Speaker 8 (19:13):
Ship?

Speaker 3 (19:14):
So yeah, vetting is definitely important.

Speaker 10 (19:17):
But also recognizing real flags. I think a lot of
people have ignored red flags in the beginning, early on,
but I think as you get older you see certain
real flags. I think you should recognize them. And actions
speak outer than words, and I think that's another way
to assist, you know, before you go further with somebody.

Speaker 8 (19:39):
Yo, Ka, can I see a question?

Speaker 20 (19:42):
Why is it always ugly bitches in these rooms?

Speaker 8 (19:44):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Oh my god, who is this guy? Who is this
asking me?

Speaker 8 (19:49):
Yo?

Speaker 1 (19:50):
This is crazy work.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Who who?

Speaker 8 (19:56):
But seriously, like, look at most faiths.

Speaker 5 (19:59):
We're not doing that. I got to go and I
apologize for that. Mo, we're not doing that.

Speaker 10 (20:08):
We the podcast for mass Club as people.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Not doing that.

Speaker 12 (20:12):
All I'm saying is a lot of you guys, And
I'm not trying to say this like I'm not trying
to shame. I'm putting myself in this. A lot of
you are getting older. You're getting older, red flags are good,
all these stuff that you know. I would say that
most of you have enough lingo in your mind to
write your own book now about dating four to five
years straight, room after room, every topic, some of them

(20:36):
four and five topics a day, sometimes with stacks three
and four topics a room. If okay, let me if
me is my basketball coach, right, he's my basketball coach,
and every day at four o'clock, Mama makes me shoot
a thousand shots, do all kinds of suicides. At some

(20:59):
point when the lights come on and the buzzer goes
off top for the game to start, I got to
go out there and get on the court.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
I can't look to MoMA on the bench no longer.

Speaker 12 (21:09):
If we believe we put the work in we believe
that we got the tools it's necessary. We now have
to go put these things and put the poets up
on the real board because no matter how good I
am in practice, at the end of the day, when
the people that keep the stats inside the books, they
got to put my name inside the book. So we
can no longer just sit on the bench always and

(21:30):
be like, well, I'm practicing to when I get to
that point.

Speaker 19 (21:43):
Cause you stay talking shit.

Speaker 5 (21:44):
Yeah I do, Yeah I do, and you full of shit?

Speaker 1 (21:46):
So what's the difference?

Speaker 12 (21:51):
And this is gonna be the main guy that's gonna
be sitting there with his same fucking doll die Hard
suit on that he gon'na fucking then the.

Speaker 8 (22:01):
Like you like, we listen to.

Speaker 7 (22:05):
Them, our men still discourage from sharing trauma or has
the culture shift there?

Speaker 8 (22:12):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 12 (22:14):
I think that, if anything, I think it's a marked improvement.
I think that black men in the current age are
doing pretty well and talking about the various bad, negative
experiences they've had.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
That's a good thing.

Speaker 12 (22:27):
I don't think that's I don't think it's bad or
wrong that the brothers are expressing. And I think the
problem is, you know, keeping things in perspective and so
on and so forth. But in and of itself, no,
I think it's a good thing. I mean, we just
had men's mental health move. I think that's a good thing.
I'm a big proponent of cond of behavioral therapy. I'm
a huge proponent of removing yourself from toxic people in

(22:50):
environments and whatnot.

Speaker 9 (22:52):
I think the passport Bros. For example, is an attempt
to do that.

Speaker 12 (22:56):
And what either intended or not, I think I think
all of those are things so good. I want to
ask you a question, MoMA, because I heard you say
something not you know, I think you're a good dude.

Speaker 5 (23:07):
I know me and you don't.

Speaker 12 (23:08):
We don't agree on a lot of things, but I
really do think you highly intellect you.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
But you said something.

Speaker 12 (23:14):
You said that you you believe you kind of operate
outside of the social normal of typical black culture. You
said that when you usually go to your conclaves, that
after it's over, you don't look at the party. You
pretty much go home or well then you may read
a book or go by the fire, or go back
to your suite, or even on your down time, you

(23:35):
spend a lot of time just contemplating things in your mind.
And what I want to ask you do you do
you see that as a lonely life. Do you see
it as a lonely life with MEA no, m M.
I see it as a very introspective life. So for
people that was listening, you may not know exactly what

(23:56):
Rico was getting at.

Speaker 9 (23:57):
So I was in a previous conversation earlier, and I.

Speaker 12 (23:59):
Was saying saying that the black community doesn't have a
sense of a priesthood if you that is to say,
Black men who can devote themselves to something other than
you know, husband, father, they can devote themselves to another
life path that doesn't necessarily encompass those things. Even our clergymen,

(24:25):
they're not priests. They're pastors, their reverends, their deacons, their elders,
their e moms, but they're not priests. So we don't
really have a conception of that in Black American society.
So someone like myself who lives a somewhat monastic life,

(24:47):
somewhat of an asthetic life, is the kind of countercultural thing.
It's seen as weird or strange. And that's what Rico
was getting at. And to your question, no, I don't
feel lonely or just loneliness. Epidemic is kind of interesting
to me because.

Speaker 8 (25:03):
I don't feel lonely at all.

Speaker 9 (25:05):
It's a very introspective life.

Speaker 5 (25:22):
I don't know, man.

Speaker 12 (25:23):
I just think that everything that could go wrong in
a relationship, or everything that we highlight that could be bad.
I just think that if you look at what you
stay in the game, even if things don't work out.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
I think it can be.

Speaker 12 (25:35):
I think there's way more benefits in them, man, I
really do than it is things that you know.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
I know you're scared to get on. Not you, I'm saying.
I know people are scared to get on the roller coaster,
but how fun is it?

Speaker 12 (25:46):
How many times you're gonna rot see other people that
go up and down screaming because you're because you're too
fearful to get on the roller coaster. I don't at
some at some point you got to get on there
and put your safety ball up there and put your
hands in there. Doctor Albert, Tom and Jerry I remember

(26:13):
them well growing up.

Speaker 9 (26:15):
Uh, you disagree with what I said.

Speaker 21 (26:22):
No, it was just born. Mhm oh yeah, I guess.

Speaker 8 (26:35):
You said. The passport are similar.

Speaker 9 (26:38):
To I see the passport brothers as an attempt to.

Speaker 12 (26:46):
Kind of put some distance between themselves and what they
considered to be toxic environments and toxic people, which is
in line with with best therapeutic practices kind of the
behavioral therapy, you know, an understanding understanding toxic patterns, toxic thinking,
toxic people in situations, trying to you know, you know,
try to you know, change your behavior with regard to that.

(27:10):
I see it as a kind of attempt. I don't
I don't think that they got into a star chamber
said Okay, this is what we're gonna do, fellas. No,
I think that it's it's a de facto attempt to
try to change some patterns.

Speaker 8 (27:24):
All right, So let's let's let's look at the religious.

Speaker 22 (27:28):
Uh, you know, they came up with a clever turn,
something that's always been happening.

Speaker 9 (27:34):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 22 (27:35):
And guys just treated holes in America for holes overseas
like I've been in Thailand numerous times. Mm hmmmm, Volley
a couple of times. Uh, bro, those are the worst
class of women over there.

Speaker 19 (27:57):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 8 (27:58):
Those women are down trodden.

Speaker 22 (27:59):
You see, they live, they'll travel from the small provinces
into the major cities, and they stay there from one
side of time to make money and they'll take it
back home. A lot of young girls already have children, okay,
because they live in.

Speaker 8 (28:16):
The family type m These women are really down trod
and out there.

Speaker 22 (28:21):
Bat So the prime director he is they see an American.

Speaker 8 (28:29):
They don't.

Speaker 22 (28:29):
They don't see uh, an attractive man. They see an American.
So America has a huge reputation just having a bunch
of bread.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
And the.

Speaker 22 (28:43):
Currency rachio is bananas. You can get the same like
you get a massage over here. Talking about enumbers of
one hundred bucks. A little higher over there's twenty bucks, okay,
US American. So you can go over there with a
couple of bucks man, especially if you are a digital
no man, like if you're a guy that works through

(29:06):
your laptop. They tradeer you know, stuff like that. Uh,
you're gonna you're gonna live house whole. And the women
are there for the picture because they literally don't have
any money mm hmm, any money at all.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
I mean.

Speaker 22 (29:23):
Actually, one of the biggest vendors over there is roty
go over there. That's all you see is roty carts
from cars vatible cards, and that's how.

Speaker 8 (29:33):
They make their day live. So I don't know, man.

Speaker 12 (29:39):
But what's interesting you say that because all the passport
Bros that I know, I only know one that that
operates out of Thailand and he's been with his lady
for some years. She's tied and he's he's black, and
they've been together for some years.

Speaker 9 (29:53):
But he's only the only one that I personally know.

Speaker 12 (29:56):
All the other passport bros That I personally know actually
operate out of Africa or the Afro Latin dspors so Brazil, Colombia, Panama,
or Cuba. And and many of them are either married
to those ladies or otherwise in a long term relationship.

Speaker 8 (30:17):
So that's yeah, that's not that's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 22 (30:20):
If they broke, yeah, but it's not an attraction thing
that so many men about over here.

Speaker 12 (30:29):
Well, I mean the guys that I know that with ladies,
they from attack families.

Speaker 9 (30:34):
They they're educated, uh, their.

Speaker 12 (30:36):
Middle class, and I think and I think that that
part of the I think that part of the rub.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
You know.

Speaker 12 (30:46):
It always like like to say, you know, be careful
what you just might get it. If you're saying that
these guys need to get therapy, what happens if they
do when they decide that maybe part of the problems
that they're immersed in what they consider to be environments
that are not good for them.

Speaker 22 (30:58):
And then well, I'm a I'm gonna check out.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
It's rare.

Speaker 8 (31:06):
How we're gonna do some homework.

Speaker 17 (31:08):
Yeah, it's well, both of you guys, well both of
you guys saying it's true, like I travel to some
Mary and some they just go to get like she polls,
like everybody knows that America, the women are expensive. And
then when you go overseas, the women are not expensive.

Speaker 18 (31:28):
So that's why.

Speaker 17 (31:29):
You go overseas, uh, to get a big bang for
your buck. Those that marry that's rare because once again
you're talking about village. You're talking about village people, Like
you can't just pick up a girl and and say, hey,
I'm gonna marry her, like the whole village has to

(31:51):
like you know what I'm saying. And then you still
got to give money to them because they know that
you're American and her family needs help.

Speaker 18 (32:00):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 17 (32:02):
The and most of these girls that they pay forty
dollars or thirty dollars, they're like the neighborhood whore like
everybody like, like she's been banned by her family, her father. Yeah,
her father has disowned her. So she's out in the streets.
So now that she's out in the streets, she's looking
for Americans so she can eat and survive. Like everybody

(32:26):
knows that when you travel, you know, because they tell
you they were's supposed to come off the plane and
should they tell you exactly where to go if you
want to look for those girls, Like, it's.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Not that so you have.

Speaker 12 (32:39):
But the difference is that the guys want to get
distance from all of that.

Speaker 9 (32:43):
And I don't understand why is that so bad?

Speaker 12 (32:46):
Why can't we acknowledge that they're parts of Black American
culture that are not very good for you? And why
is that wrong for you? Wanted wanting to get some
distance from that. That's the whole point of you don't
want to be a round stuff that's not good for you.

Speaker 22 (33:01):
Uh, you're trying to compariamentalize a big issue here. I
ain't talk bad about the black women, they.

Speaker 12 (33:08):
Just but what why going for them to talk about
their negative experience?

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Why is that bad?

Speaker 8 (33:14):
Bad? Six times?

Speaker 9 (33:18):
Yeah, I'm trying to get a straight answer to it.

Speaker 8 (33:21):
And I gave you. I'm giving you one.

Speaker 22 (33:23):
You can't be listening because you keep doing that technique ship,
So you can't be listening if you're talking.

Speaker 8 (33:30):
That's that's that's I know you.

Speaker 22 (33:31):
Not Yeah, yeah, if they if they're sitting here saying,
hey man, I need to get away, I need to
get away from the stress.

Speaker 8 (33:39):
That's cooling. But to uh attack black women while doing.

Speaker 20 (33:44):
It, No, you ain't got to do that.

Speaker 9 (33:46):
But what if you got treated badly by one? Then
what talk about that?

Speaker 12 (33:51):
Oh well, okay, So if a therapist says, you know what,
don't mess with those type of women, now what.

Speaker 8 (33:58):
Then that's great.

Speaker 9 (33:59):
Okay, So that's what they're doing.

Speaker 22 (34:01):
So that's what they're doing, going to tell you not
to generalize all of them.

Speaker 12 (34:06):
Okay, So nobody is saying nobody said I don't know any.

Speaker 9 (34:10):
Past he said all of anything.

Speaker 12 (34:13):
They were talking about their specific experiences.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
No, I know.

Speaker 9 (34:18):
I'm telling you the ones that I know. They don't
do that.

Speaker 8 (34:22):
You do it.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
I don't do it.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
No.

Speaker 9 (34:26):
I don't you ever read now one book that I've written. No, you, No,
I don't.

Speaker 12 (34:33):
Writing clear in writing that I'm not talking about everybody.

Speaker 23 (34:41):
To doctor Albert I think you just did the same thing.
Even though I agree with you, there are some guys,
you know, they go over there, they they still kind
of do the same thing they do here in the States.

Speaker 6 (34:52):
Uh.

Speaker 23 (34:52):
Some people are not looking for marriage. Some people are
trying to build families. But you can't just you know,
just shoot it out there. Oh, these are the skip
called the starter pack. That that that's why everybody do
like you, you're doing the exact same thing that you are.
You're accusing people, Uh, when people did here in the States,
not everybody get married and bill family or or not

(35:13):
just on some amongering stuff, you know.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, but like you know.

Speaker 23 (35:18):
If it's it's just it's just it's just some of
the same behavior get replicated over there. But I don't
like when you guys take the worst examples and try
to be like, oh, these girls we.

Speaker 8 (35:30):
Weren't talking about that we specifically.

Speaker 22 (35:33):
I only asked him because he called it a form
of cognitive ages there, and that is false. You can't
take the definition of cognitive behavior there and try to
shoehorn it into the methodology of.

Speaker 8 (35:49):
That's theoretical psycho.

Speaker 24 (35:51):
Can you please describe that false though, doctor Robert, if
you could you could you please like describe what you
think of the meaning of that term that you just
you just you just went over because I know he
stated behavior, environment and.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
Things of that nature.

Speaker 23 (36:11):
I mean, I don't you know, if you want to
change your behavior, you may avoid a certain environments, certain
individuals and deal with a certain different environment with different
sets of circumstances.

Speaker 8 (36:22):
Uh yeah, but you don't. You do not project what
causes you're troum you reconcile with. So with CDT also
comes act, so you have to you have to compromise
what you deal with so you can move on and
be fool with it and not carry that same trait
with other people. But it's already documented and share economics alone,

(36:45):
the care of islands, the poverty. I mean, all I
wanted to ask was about TET behavior. I really didn't
want to get that too past bullets. You know what
they do. So that's really nothing new. I'm old man.

Speaker 22 (37:03):
That shit been going on for the long It's not new,
So I didn't really want to get into that. That
would love it. I just never I've never heard it.

Speaker 8 (37:12):
Put that way.

Speaker 12 (37:15):
Yeah, it got me to thinking about about men's mental health.
Muff and I you know, I listened to a lot
of black women online urging black men to go into therapy,
and I asked myself, I say, well, okay, so let's
look at that.

Speaker 9 (37:27):
So what happens if they do?

Speaker 12 (37:30):
Because the premise is they're not, So my question becomes, Okay,
so what happens if they do?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
Then?

Speaker 12 (37:35):
What and what if they happen over the course of
them doing that, they get an insight into maybe I
shouldn't be in certain environments around certain people that's not
good for me. Then what what happens then.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Self mastery, self awareness.

Speaker 12 (38:04):
I don't think that a lot of black women have
thought this all the way through. What happens with a
lot of guys. So, you know what, it's not good
for me, And I think it's a good idea if
I kind of get some distance from it.

Speaker 18 (38:16):
At So what are you implying that they should not
go to therapy?

Speaker 9 (38:20):
Then no, that's not what I'm saying, because you're.

Speaker 17 (38:24):
Only you're only thinking about the bad part, Like, oh,
so what if they do go to therapy?

Speaker 18 (38:28):
And what if they what if they say, you know what,
this is not for me? Like what?

Speaker 12 (38:33):
Well, again, in the black community, boundaries are gendered, so
typically boundaries are within the get a good and that's
and I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm not I'm not
saying that's wrong. I'm not saying that's wrong. I'm just
simply suggesting that maybe we haven't thought this all the
way through.

Speaker 9 (38:53):
I think I think so, and what and what if they?

Speaker 1 (38:58):
And what if?

Speaker 12 (38:58):
Coming out of that they they say, you know, it's
not a good idea for me to be around environments
and people that don't mean me, well, they don't probably.

Speaker 18 (39:07):
Happy for them, because that's the whole point.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I want.

Speaker 17 (39:12):
To be clear, like we will be happy for them.
That's what we want anyways, for them to heal.

Speaker 12 (39:20):
You want it to be clear, and why not contribute
to it? Now, why don't you contribute to it without this?

Speaker 17 (39:25):
Because I'm not because some some people's trauma.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to be like, I'm
part of the problem. It's not pixure yourself. Then I'll
be happy for that, right, I mean I can't.

Speaker 17 (39:38):
I don't have the tools to fix the whole white
world like some people's traumas are too much.

Speaker 18 (39:44):
I don't have the tools, like I'm.

Speaker 5 (39:46):
Not gonna sit here.

Speaker 17 (39:47):
I'm not gonna sit here and say I have the tools.
I don't have the tools.

Speaker 25 (39:51):
What if you ask, what if you.

Speaker 17 (39:53):
Had trauma that oh it's coming from your mom never
loving you.

Speaker 18 (39:57):
What the fuck can I do?

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Well?

Speaker 5 (39:59):
Nothing, but I'm gonna about your.

Speaker 17 (40:00):
Mom like I can never give you that that love
like I can do that love that you're looking for
from your mother.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
I'm gonna I'm gonna say this.

Speaker 12 (40:08):
I believe that on one side, like somebody may think
Mama is extreme, but I do believe that the more
black men what I'm what I'm saying is I believe
when more black men become aware of whatever they consider
these so called red flags and triggers and things that

(40:28):
we're wrong, I think it's gonna make it make it
harder for black women.

Speaker 5 (40:31):
I really do. I really do, because I think a
lot of.

Speaker 12 (40:34):
Men now like, okay, cool, yeah that that that that
can be cool.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
There's me how to do with it.

Speaker 12 (40:41):
When I'm talking about even in the metal world, I'm
talking about it's more as they in alignment with things
that the behaviors that they identify is being traumatic, they
gonna they're gonna push back on that every chance they
get and even if a woman that they like slightly
shows them something that spooks them.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
They're gonna head the other way.

Speaker 12 (41:02):
It's not before there was a luxury of Okay, you're
doing all this, I'm gonna work with you, like we'll
get over this type of shit.

Speaker 8 (41:08):
I don't.

Speaker 12 (41:09):
I think as people these type of terms, I think
they make us smarter, but I think they also, in
that intelligence that we gain, it make us pick up
on them. So unless you that woman that's always gonna
be on the other side of that, you're gonna be
sweet understanding communitative like to where none of these things
are gonna matter to you because the more the educated

(41:30):
the man are on these things is gonna benefit you.
And I don't think most women operating this space, I
think it's gonna be preventing them from even getting the
man that they want unless she operating on the same
shit that she's saying, I want this what you just said,
I want the best for you. And I'm actually putting
myself in a position that if a man meets me,

(41:52):
then I'm all those things in a way like I'm
showing him that way.

Speaker 5 (41:56):
If you start, if.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
You become the red flag and he knows it.

Speaker 12 (42:00):
Then I think now that you're just gonna be a
woman that's kind of spiraling by yourself because he may
deal with you for a certain point, but inside his
mind he's going to know like nah, because I never
even heard, like dudes in the streets got you. You
got dudes in the hood, like on the street, they
talking red flag. Now they talking about toxicity. Now these
are dudes that never heard these turns before. They talking

(42:22):
this shit now, Like nah, bro, I ain't not she's
too tough, Like what the hell? Like you talking about
what you learned this shit at. So this shit is
trickling down and it's gonna make it tough for people
to align.

Speaker 18 (42:34):
But I think it's gonna be a bad thing.

Speaker 17 (42:36):
I think it's gonna be an amazing thing because, like
he said, there is men talking about red flags, and
there's this couple that's showing you what to do in
circumstances like this, Like when a woman is talking crazy,
he takes out a red flag and then she corrects herself,
and then he puts green flag, and now their relationship
is working perfectly.

Speaker 18 (42:57):
And those are exercises that therapists will play.

Speaker 17 (42:59):
You do at home or with each other, they're like, okay,
So whenever she talks to you crazy, put up the
red flag. And when she talks to you correctly that
you feel safe, put the green flag. And watch how
she corrects herself and vice versa, and you watch how
a miracle can happen in your relationship. Like everyone is
learning from each other. I think it's amazing. Now if

(43:21):
you go to therapy, yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
You have.

Speaker 22 (43:28):
Stay because you know this title is really deep, but
it's easier to flatten it out because you gotta go
real deep.

Speaker 8 (43:36):
And I know that's a struggle. It's easier just you know,
genderize it.

Speaker 22 (43:41):
And then she was talking points to pick on these
gender But trima is the new identity and taking culture
because all people do is hook up, and that's usually
a byproduct of a pathology a trauma. And you think
you can breathe your way or take your way out
of you can just internalize it not going to affect
you because people don't even think about there until it's

(44:04):
almost too late. When you're in a state of trauma.
You got to adjust to trauma first before you can
even put get a person in them in a well
being or spaces. It's just like going to the hospital
in a trauma board. Well, they can't stabilize you until
they address the actual inciding trauma. And so people have

(44:25):
normalized trauma and just live in toxicity, fight or flight, vickering, arguing,
reacting instead of sitting back and being proactive to just reacting.
There's a lot of things that really and you see
the effects of it with the way these these discussions
and argue is to antinuorate so fast.

Speaker 8 (44:44):
Even when gender wars.

Speaker 22 (44:46):
This room that was created it was to have fun,
but people actually becoming in this bitch family and they
be taking this as serious. You could hear it hearing
the divorce, so they don't even realize how relationships really
affect them. They actually think the down about this.

Speaker 26 (45:04):
I think I don't like this anti like that the
whole anti male rhetoric of men go to therapy and
everything that just like puts like accountability on one side
when there's two there's two parties that you're dealing with, right,
And like the realistically dating is messed for everyone across

(45:24):
the spectrum, not because of just men, not because of
just women. Like the culture does not cultivate a healthy
dating environment, and that's across the board, like the dating
culture said, the Western culture is does not it's not
conducive to long term families. It's not conducive to success

(45:45):
in the dating realm.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
It's not.

Speaker 26 (45:47):
So this whole idea that it's like men's faults somehow
is just it's it's it's it's it's foolish, nonsensical. So
some of these talking points, I'm just I'm not rocking
with them at all.

Speaker 17 (46:02):
Well, common sense will say it's both parties. Like if
we have to simplify everything we say.

Speaker 8 (46:10):
Man, you know.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
Y'all, you know y'all.

Speaker 12 (46:17):
Man, y'all been saying this, and I'm not saying that
this shit doesn't like in some cases, but man, y'all
need to cut this mama shit out too.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Man.

Speaker 12 (46:24):
Ain't nobody mad. I'm not mad at they fucking mom.
Like I don't know like and I'm not saying no
people not, but I ain't. Never grew up with none
of my homeboys, Like what's my like, oh my mom,
Like that's what we go to in these conversations, Like
your mom, that's what we go to.

Speaker 5 (46:39):
Like that should be like weird to me.

Speaker 12 (46:41):
It's almost like it's almost like a lot of times
women like they just say they want to say, like no,
like can it just beat it out?

Speaker 5 (46:49):
I ran across a whole.

Speaker 12 (46:50):
Bunch of bad youthes, Like even if it was my fault,
and I'm not removing no accountability from myself, Like y'all
always say you selected them, that still don't change the
fact that they fucking exist. Like that, I ran to
a whole group of bad women if I just want
I'm not saying I did. I'm just saying like that,
So that could be a real thing. You could say,

(47:11):
well you won't pick them, Yeah I did, but that
doesn't mean that they was bad. Nevertheless, So this whole thing,
y'all be trying to make it be old or you
as this happened to you. No only thing happened to
me is you're right. I should have fucking chose better.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
That's on me.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
So now, like anything else.

Speaker 12 (47:30):
I'm going to be more careful and more and I'm
going to be more careful and more aware that when
I'm out there, and that just maybe like not even.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
Going for this shit again. So I don't I don't
understand how we don't get that point.

Speaker 27 (47:45):
I agree with what UH read to tease have run
away from people that only see negativity, but to speak
with the top, speak to the topic. I don't necessarily
disagree or agree, but I do feel like where I'm
more self aware generation and we're just navigating the chaos. No,
I don't mean stay away from the opposite sex, but

(48:07):
like we're one of the not the first. But we're
unpacking therapy, talking about trauma, learning love languages, talking about
attachment styles, reading books, listening to podcasts, having conversations. So
I think beneath the chaos, there's a lot of work
that is being done, but a lot of people are

(48:28):
directly affecting.

Speaker 28 (48:29):
Each other.

Speaker 27 (48:31):
With the with the negativity, and you got to protect
your your energy and your mindset.

Speaker 28 (48:37):
I think that's big.

Speaker 22 (48:39):
Well, I think the big one of the thing here
for me being in the industry and everything's different, But
a lot of people can even finish a seventeen week program.

Speaker 28 (48:49):
Oh, I didn't understand.

Speaker 8 (48:50):
Can you repeat that. I'm sorry it sounds yeah. I said,
I'm working in the industry of therapy.

Speaker 22 (48:56):
A lot of people have a difficult time finishing the
average even team week program, and a lot of people
self diagnose, and that's what makes it even harder because
because of the overload of information and the overexposure to people.

Speaker 8 (49:14):
Normally you're not exposed to people this much.

Speaker 22 (49:18):
And you see how it deteriorates because what starts out
as like a jovial objective thing becomes a serious argumentative thing.
That means there's a lot of repressed stuff that people
are finding any type of outlet to project that stuff
onto instead of actually addressing the problem with the licensed

(49:41):
professional that's gonna help you build your own tools that's
unique to your well gained your tools, how you develop
heal yourself.

Speaker 8 (49:52):
That's what it's all about.

Speaker 22 (49:54):
And without the proper direction, if you're in a room
full of hurting people, watch listen.

Speaker 8 (49:59):
To the demromentory stuff about the stuff that come out.

Speaker 22 (50:01):
There's no healing in that, and it's gonna it's only
gonna trace the next conversation for the next thing.

Speaker 8 (50:09):
So, like I said, I think the title is deep.
I think Stacks went in with this, but it's hard
to go there because it's.

Speaker 22 (50:16):
Easier to split it by gender roads and just point
says that men and women.

Speaker 8 (50:23):
You know, I really like what was Sean? I said, like,
how can you not think this isn't an US name?

Speaker 22 (50:29):
How can how can you polarize it by saying women
versus men?

Speaker 8 (50:35):
When trauma is trauma no matter what your gender.

Speaker 22 (50:40):
And that's why I do believe it's the new identity.
A lot of people identify and operate within the traumas.

Speaker 27 (50:49):
I heavily agree on the self diagnosed or like quick
to diagnose other people. I was somebody was talking about
narcissist the other day, like people throw that word around crazy.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
And they don't even know what the ship means throwing
around ship. They don't even know Albert, fuck are you
talking about you?

Speaker 8 (51:15):
Because it's not.

Speaker 17 (51:17):
Trending right now When they say that, I just got
an asshole, and I'll be like, oh, you're an Yeah
I am.

Speaker 18 (51:26):
I am the.

Speaker 29 (51:29):
Only ones calling people a narcissist or woman. They say
three percent of people are narcissists, but ninety seven percent
of women have claimed they dated a narcissists before.

Speaker 27 (51:37):
Yes, and I don't granted people have toxic behaviors, but
unpacking that is a process, having patience with the process.
But I'm not going to call you just a narcissist
because it's convenient to label you, Like I don't even
label myself better yet want to label somebody that I

(51:59):
chose that's just me, though I'm not judging anybody anything.

Speaker 26 (52:04):
Narcissisms, it's a spectrum, So like I think everyone should
have like a healthy level of narcissism, but like when
you get into extreme narcissism, like extreme narcissism, that's when
it becomes problematic. But I think, like in regards to
dating though, like I think majority of the problems lyeing
like orientation, Like a lot of people aren't self aware.

(52:28):
They don't even know where they stand socially, so they
look for people that they're just not even really compatible with.
Because if you know where you are, like what kind
of person that you are socially, then you'll know like
what kind of person to look for, what kind of
qualities to look for, and does their orientation align with

(52:49):
your own. So instead of like having that self awareness,
people resort to like yeah, like dating overseas and things
like that, and then blaming the opposite gender, like the
entire gender as a whole, and then everything becomes toxic.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
I don't want someone always analyzing me.

Speaker 12 (53:11):
I don't want to be constantly and analyzed, even by
the other person.

Speaker 5 (53:15):
I don't want that.

Speaker 12 (53:16):
I don't want every time I say something because I
feel a certain way, you say, oh, well you're being
this and you bring up some type of psychological term
that it just like, won't let me be human. Oh
well you did this, so that's a toxic trade or
you did that. No, I don't want anybody to overanalyze me.
I don't want the data person that turns our relationship

(53:37):
into this type of project or reporter.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
You're doing some type of like you psychoanalyzing me. Who
wants to? Who wants to?

Speaker 12 (53:45):
Who wants to be involved with someone like that? No,
I'm not I'm good on that.

Speaker 26 (53:53):
That's that's kind of that's part of a problem with
the culture though. Rico like to an extent, as a man,
you're not fully allowed to be human. And anytime that
you express anything like any kind of human emotions or
do anything that makes you human, you're gonna be attacked.
You're gonna be shamed, you're gonna be criticized for it.
But if you if society is teaching one gender that

(54:15):
something is fundamentally wrong with the other gender, then that's
where it comes from.

Speaker 30 (54:23):
Yeah, there's narcissistic style and also if you if you're
checking off the traits, I'm going to have to look
at you funny.

Speaker 8 (54:35):
I think that.

Speaker 12 (54:37):
Up until recently a lot of black women have kind
of been using therapeutic language, and I think it's kind
of dicey. That's where the whole narcissism thing comes from.
That being said, I think that what's going on now
is a good thing. I think that the brothers will
find their way. I just think that a lot of

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ladies haven't really thought this.

Speaker 9 (55:01):
Whole thing through, that's all.

Speaker 19 (55:04):
I just don't think they.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
Really thought it through.

Speaker 12 (55:08):
So and also something else too, And I have to
thank doctor Umar Johnson for this one. We don't see
like I respectfully disagree with doctor Albert. You know, he
said it doesn't matter what gender trauma is trauma. I
respectfully disagree because one video I saw doctor Umar Johnson

(55:32):
addressing the manisphere. He makes it clear that their trauma
is different from black women's traumas. So what do I
mean by that? So if a black man in this
case the manisphere is having difficulty in mating, that is
seen as an individual personal failing that it has nothing

(55:55):
to do with a larger systemic or cultural issue. Now,
if black women have difficulty and encounter traumatic experiences, that
is seen as a larger commentary of social and cultural
and systemic implications. So colorism me too, as it was

(56:21):
originally conceived by Toronto Burke, body.

Speaker 9 (56:24):
Positivity, etc.

Speaker 12 (56:26):
These are examples of wider concerns, whereas with black men
it's something that's individual.

Speaker 9 (56:33):
I hear a lot of black women talk about what.

Speaker 12 (56:36):
They think the relationship is between black men and their mothers,
and it never occurs to them to say, well, if
what I am saying is true that there are a
lot of black men who have problems with their moms,
what does the same community why it never goes that far.

Speaker 9 (56:51):
It's always an individual thing.

Speaker 12 (56:54):
And my question becomes, Okay, So if we're going to
have a two tier system, which is in effect what
Umar and others are kind of saying without saying, fine,
then if black men are to deal with these issues
on their own in an individualized way, are we cool

(57:16):
with what they come up with? I say no, Because
the collective impulse in the black community wants to police
how black men individually deal with their own problems.

Speaker 9 (57:27):
They still want to have input on it. Do you
see what I'm saying here.

Speaker 8 (57:37):
Not really.

Speaker 12 (57:43):
Black men's problems are seen as individual. Black women's problems
are seen as collective.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Well, Albert says he's lost. Let's do a quick resect.
We're in gender wars. Please, please, please please ping the
room for me, Mamy. I appreciate you for being here
at I c A. Yeah, he's probably sleeping, taking a
Grandpa nap. We go somewhere doing some like shit. Our
show is with.

Speaker 5 (58:10):
The kids, Acre.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
Doctor Vaughan is evaluating some brains right now on the
stage and looking at you like you're crazy. Zoe is
about to come in any minute and failure you ping
about share the room out? Please? Are black men free
in America? Or just tolerated? This is what I want
to know. Are black men freak? No no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah,
let's go Mamia. Are black men? But I want to

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switch it up a little bit, AC. Are you there, brother?
Are you swearing with me? Ac?

Speaker 20 (58:40):
America?

Speaker 1 (58:40):
We just tolerated in this motherfucker. You talk to me
Ac while I'm pinging this up and sharing this up?
But what's going on? Bro? Talk on this topic. First?

Speaker 31 (58:49):
Let's get into I mean and were talking about just
the history of America. I mean, I think it's safe
to say that we're just tolerated. You know, to say
to say that the black man is truly free would
be delusional in my opinion. You know, I could you know,

(59:11):
I could be wrong. If anybody disagrees with me, I
would love to hear it. I would love to hear
your opinion. But in America we are tolerated.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
I don't disagree at all.

Speaker 20 (59:23):
I would disagree.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Oh well, let me hear it. Let me hear what
you've got, nacho.

Speaker 8 (59:28):
Yeah, sure, sure.

Speaker 32 (59:31):
In America, black men specifically are the most free than
anywhere in the world. Have access to the most opportunities,
the most possibilities, the most probabilities.

Speaker 33 (59:43):
As a black man anywhere else in the world, you
would not have this kind of freedom or access.

Speaker 20 (59:48):
Now, what you choose to do with it is up
to you.

Speaker 27 (59:52):
Wow, I was gonna ask her, has she been to
like Africa or anywhere any other countries have anything like that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:00:03):
I totally disagree.

Speaker 12 (01:00:04):
I totally whole hard disagree because the laws and the system.
Although freedom may seem like it's there, the appearance of
freedom is there, it's not true. I don't operate under
the same freedom as white people. I just don't. I'm sorry.
It's always been there. Black people meant to be the
burden bearers for this country. It was always meant to

(01:00:27):
be that way. Now you can be free here. You
can have a nice life if you take opportunity, you
work hard, you grind, you do the things, you play
the game. Yes, the American dream is for you also,
But you're not going to convince me that me driving
down a road with a white policeman behind me, I'm
going to have the same grace that a white man
is going to have. You're never going to convince me

(01:00:49):
that that under a judge being rude for the same
crime or the same offense as a white man. And
I'm going to be standing credit bureaus, lending institutions, banking institutions,
things that white people allowed to get away with on
the same thing. Education, housing, all these things, the stock market,

(01:01:10):
the financial sector, everything that I can go to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
It harbors something into where I'm being.

Speaker 12 (01:01:17):
Held back to, where that I know that if a
white person sells their home in my same neighborhood, they're
going to get fifteen to twenty percent a higher offer.

Speaker 5 (01:01:26):
That's just what it is.

Speaker 12 (01:01:27):
Now do will white people allow some of us to
make it to where we need to be? Of course
they will. They will parade those people around. But when
it comes to you change the status quo with black banking,
black physics, the medical feel, even when we get to
certain pinnacles of success, they will show you exactly who

(01:01:49):
you are in this country. And if you don't believe it,
you need to go replay the store because that's what
was a lot of people that we have that was
highly successful in America always thought the riches was too
big for them. And I'm telling you, I love you
to death, not yo, but if you play too close
and you misinterpret what who you really are in this country,

(01:02:10):
they will give you a stark reminder of where your
black ass belong in America.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
So basic, Albert, real quick, real quick. So you're saying,
when you when you get above you riches, you feel
like you're feeling yourself rico. That's when they exactly that's
what you say, let's not your get up in there.

(01:02:35):
Then we're gonna have the male coming at that that.

Speaker 32 (01:02:39):
I actually just read an article yesterday that said there's
two zero point five million new men who have entered
the upper echelon as millionaires, and those are black men,
and the article specifically talked about how they did it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Put the article at the top to not when you
can put the article.

Speaker 32 (01:03:01):
Through investments, through real estate, and through the military. Right,
it's your god given right to join the military. A
lot of black men have done it and they've come up.
So let's just say it's your choice.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Right.

Speaker 32 (01:03:15):
It was your choice to not go to the military.
It was your choice to not buy the real estate
while it was low so you could sell high. It
was your choice not to find Yahoo back in nineteen
ninety nine. Right, don't blame the country, blame yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:03:31):
I don't think you.

Speaker 17 (01:03:34):
Forgot to add natural It was your choice not to
fix your credit because perhaps if you fix your credit,
you would have the same privileges as those people that
are getting homes, getting loans and getting all these things.
But that's the thing about black men. They want to
see everybody else except for themselves. Fix your credit. And
then another thing, maybe perhaps when you were seventeen and

(01:03:55):
you didn't get all those felonies, the judge wouldn't be
that harsh on you this time around.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
But because.

Speaker 17 (01:04:03):
Because goes you already your twenty one, you're thirty. He
already knew that you had so many felonies. He's going
to be harsh on you. Maybe if you do maybe
if you didn't get felonies and all these crazy shit,
the judge want to be.

Speaker 34 (01:04:16):
That harsh for you.

Speaker 12 (01:04:20):
Reason this is this, This is what.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Do you black men have to say about.

Speaker 9 (01:04:26):
To be brutally frank.

Speaker 12 (01:04:27):
I mean, the idea that we're just going to have
a we're just going to have a kind of baseline
discussion about black men, you know, having legal problems and
credit problems.

Speaker 9 (01:04:38):
With with statements like that, who needs to plan?

Speaker 12 (01:04:40):
I mean, you know, I know that I noticed, I
know the article that that Nacho was talking about just
the dates back to twenty eighteen, black men making it
in America.

Speaker 9 (01:04:51):
Oh okay, so.

Speaker 12 (01:04:52):
American Enterprise American Enterprise Institute dropped something very similar back
in twenty eighteen, very similar, you know, point five million
black men in the middle in the upper middle class.
Institute for Family Studies. Brad will Cox also talks about it.
So yeah, I mean, you know that those are those
are little like quiet things that nobody really likes to
talk about.

Speaker 8 (01:05:12):
I'm gonna say that. I want to say this directly
to the stack boy. We did a financial room right now.
Wouldn't nobody believe a goddamn thing he said. They're gonna
say you'll never do it. Watch out, if I listen
to motherfuckers, I wouldn't be retired from my job since
I was fucking thirty. If I listen to everybody tell
me what the fuck I need to worry about, I

(01:05:33):
wouldn't go and fucking do it. Why don't you test
it out? Why don't you qualify for a crib and
see if you fucking get it or if some white
goat stop you from getting that. Motherfucker Go qualify first
and then tell me how it works. Gonna say go go,
say go, save your money, do what's required. First, test

(01:05:53):
the system first, Muniah. This this man is auto day Dak.
He got books that have sold like crazy, built the
enclaves from the ground up. I wonder how many people
told him he was crazy. See it sound good on
the surface until you actually apply yourself.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
And that's not the conversation.

Speaker 12 (01:06:13):
The conversation is not about if mama's successful or black
men have recent success. The conversation is about systemic racism.
That's a system. The education system is a system that
is designed to keep black people down. That the banking system,
the financial system, So doctor the Appum would all due respect,
I don't want to talk about Momia book sells, or

(01:06:36):
you buying your home or what you did to retire
that means nothing to me, or about Nacho talking about
these black men that have made it in the I
could care fucking less. I'm talking about a si system
of racial discrimination, of years of fighting against a power
structure that has systematically wiped out all the black leaders

(01:06:57):
that we had government agencies and tell pro that went
on the offensive to kill all black leaders of organizations,
that literally bombed the black people in Philadelphia, that went
after the Panthers, that that that took out Malcolm X,
that took out Martin Luther King. I don't want to
hear about you and you going to get no home

(01:07:18):
fucking loan. I'm not talking about no white boogeyman that's
stopping you from getting no house or getting no car.
I'm talking about a system that has plagued that has
currently still been plaguing Black communities all over, that's got
our babies in the finance, that where we can't get
the same healthcare, that we can't get the same food

(01:07:39):
nutrition that they put liquor stores and pawn stores, and
while we're in these low income, underserved communities. So, with
all due respect, when y'all dudes coming here on, y'all
high and mighty shit, y'all are these steinsions of the
white supremacy speaking points. That's what you come to me
when I that's what I hear.

Speaker 9 (01:08:00):
And it's sad to see.

Speaker 12 (01:08:01):
It's sad to see our eldest that no way, that
that lived through some of these times, that seeing the sixties,
that seeing these things.

Speaker 8 (01:08:10):
Going on.

Speaker 12 (01:08:11):
Imagine if some of your fellow conradt and birds that
grew up with you heard you speak this way, they
would be highly upset and disheartening by some of the
things y'all seeing up here on this stage right now.

Speaker 27 (01:08:25):
I think people are associating with what he's saying was like,
you know, the the incapable, like just decapacitated yourself from
achieving thes like I don't know, it's hard for me
to COMPREHENDI yeah.

Speaker 34 (01:08:38):
Like you're not in a plantation anymore.

Speaker 27 (01:08:42):
No, no, no, no, nobody's saying that. But he can't even
share the reality of it with y'all without y'all saying,
go fix it, just go fix it, go fix it. No,
but that's what I'm.

Speaker 18 (01:08:53):
Trying to tell you that they mindset. I don't know
what that is.

Speaker 17 (01:08:56):
The mindset is still stuck cool like in a plantation.
Ated Like when I I was talking to this I guess.

Speaker 18 (01:09:05):
He's an FBA.

Speaker 25 (01:09:06):
I what did he say?

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
That was mindset?

Speaker 17 (01:09:09):
Like he was saying some crazy ship like I was.
We was having a conversation outside the hospital, right and
I was like, you know, these white people, they think
that they all that, but I got a degree and
I'm gonna show him.

Speaker 18 (01:09:20):
Dada here he fucking go, oh, don't talk like that.
They're gonna get you.

Speaker 34 (01:09:26):
And I'm looking at him like, bro, who's gonna get me.
We're not in the plantation anymore.

Speaker 17 (01:09:33):
It's all, oh, that's okay, okay, And I'm like.

Speaker 18 (01:09:37):
Yo, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 17 (01:09:39):
I was like, your mind this is this is exactly
what the I'm talking about. And I'm looking at him
like I'm really looking at him, and I'm like, you know,
it's probably his ancestors talking to him, and they it's
just something that's they have that.

Speaker 27 (01:09:59):
Like that spoke very clearly and not like that in
any way, shape or form.

Speaker 17 (01:10:04):
I never talk about nobody in the room like it's
called general.

Speaker 27 (01:10:11):
But that slave man, I don't know what what a
lot a lot that. I'm not negating that, but that's
not what I'm I didn't hear that and what you
said and automatically.

Speaker 17 (01:10:25):
Talking about a separate thing, and I'm a separate thing
that I'm talking about that. It's a lot of people
have that type of mindset. Though I don't do what
I'm saying. I don't disagree.

Speaker 27 (01:10:35):
I think I just I'm I definitely think they're just tolerated.
I have brothers, I have black men in my family,
and I've seen, I know, I feel the way of
what they've gone through. So I'm not just gonna speak
to say and fix their credit or do whatever. I
know that that's a part of it, but but I'm
getting it.

Speaker 18 (01:10:55):
Credit fix is impossible.

Speaker 25 (01:10:57):
Who said that?

Speaker 35 (01:11:00):
Read Mama, I.

Speaker 8 (01:11:06):
Myself talking about.

Speaker 35 (01:11:11):
I'm sorry, listen, you're not f b A. I think
that was done in very poor taste and said in
poor tastes.

Speaker 8 (01:11:19):
That whole slave talk.

Speaker 35 (01:11:20):
I'm being very honestis that was not cool. But I'm
just speaking of my perspective. We come from two different
cultural backgrounds. You can hear my husband now blasting this
new radio that he bought in the freaking bathroom because
he's excited that we're going back.

Speaker 9 (01:11:41):
To dr in a week.

Speaker 35 (01:11:44):
I'm telling you, siss, it was done in very poor
tests and very poor taste. I'm telling you that whole
slave talk thing. You can't really say that if you
don't really understand the culture and the history of the people,
that was not cool. You can I can understand why
you're getting pushed back, Like, come on, we have our

(01:12:04):
own history. Would you like it if someone called us
a bunch of names? Like but I'm telling you it
is you. Would we like it if we said, why
can't these Haitians fix their own country? Do we like
it when they say that? But we know that there's

(01:12:24):
certain things and there's certain ship that happened to Haiti
that Western country countries did to keep us in the
position that we're in.

Speaker 9 (01:12:32):
That's not cool, Sis, But why am I upset?

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Rock?

Speaker 5 (01:12:36):
I don't get it. I have I'm here in my
beautiful home. I have I have, I have a few
nice cars.

Speaker 19 (01:12:42):
I have a nice job.

Speaker 9 (01:12:43):
I have very great It ain't excellent, but I have
good credit.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
I have jewelry.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
I have everything that I want. My my my.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
I got okay, we get it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
No, no, no, no, I want to talk right now.

Speaker 9 (01:12:56):
I got a double lot.

Speaker 15 (01:12:57):
I got a dog.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
I gotta, I gotta. I got a dog named Bailey.
I have a night job.

Speaker 9 (01:13:04):
They like me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
I get up.

Speaker 12 (01:13:06):
My daughter's a dance right now, her practice. So why
am I somebody that's bitter about the system. I have
four oh one k I have retirement, I have a pension.
I have prepaid college for my kids. I have medical, dental,
life insurance.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
No, but I'm telling you, no matter what.

Speaker 9 (01:13:23):
I'm telling you, not yo.

Speaker 12 (01:13:25):
No matter what I have personally, it's never gonna stop
me from knowing the real shit that goes on in
this country.

Speaker 9 (01:13:31):
You because I know.

Speaker 8 (01:13:32):
If I go drive around at the wrong time.

Speaker 12 (01:13:34):
Of night in the wrong fucking neighborhood and the wrong
policemen get behind me, it's fucking game over. In everything
that I have, everything that I own, that shit won't
mean nothing. If I have a pocket full of passion,
not sho and I go to a luxurious mall here
in Gardens, Florida. They gonna follow me around that mall
because they gonna profile me.

Speaker 5 (01:13:55):
I know that for a fucking fact.

Speaker 12 (01:13:57):
That's a thing that when I go somewhere, I gotta
work twice as hard to gain another person's respect, the
same way that a white man would get that respect
off the rip that him walking into a lender, him
walking into trying to get a credit card. So when
y'all be saying the ship it really it really be
fucking with me because I came up under the brothers

(01:14:18):
in the nation. I've been around them, and I'm telling you,
no matter how much they smile in your face and
prop you up, you turn around, they will call you
that word with a hard fucking er, with a hard
er and a heartbeat.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
And I'm a light skin dude.

Speaker 12 (01:14:33):
They probably feel more comfortable around me than probably a
brother that look like Yay. But when y'all be saying
this shit, because y'all have some personal accomplishments in y'all
life and y'all not so called pull y'all self up
by y'all bootstraps, and this shit is disheartening. Man like
y'all don't give a shit about anybody else. When I
know that these people that they still got sundown towns,

(01:14:56):
they still got their ass drowning in Lake Lanier. The
drowned every chance they get the win that they built them.
Two young boys that got lost in Georgia, them two
young black boys. That firefighter took them to the middle
of nowhere and unlive those two young men just because
they was lost and they was in a car that
was broke down. They went to somebody thought was an

(01:15:18):
authority figure that had a respectful job as a firefighter,
and he killed those two young men of color. You
go tell that today, Mom, You go tell that to
the moms of these people that decide these so called jails,
that even though they did a crime, they mistreat them,
They don't give them the proper medication, they don't give
them what they need for the proper nutrition, and they

(01:15:39):
get forgot about it because they don't have the resources
or the legal representation of some of the other high
profile inmates that be inside of some.

Speaker 5 (01:15:48):
Of these prisoners.

Speaker 12 (01:15:49):
So I don't be wanting to hear none of this
shit y'all be talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
About.

Speaker 12 (01:15:53):
Oh, like racism don't exist, and we have overcome and
we reach ain't no goddamn promised land.

Speaker 8 (01:16:00):
Nobody said that. No, I didn't know.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
I didn't white boogeyman in.

Speaker 8 (01:16:06):
All the other Hey, can I can I talk?

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
Man?

Speaker 8 (01:16:09):
The albut can I can I talk? Can I talk?
Man hollering?

Speaker 36 (01:16:14):
Man?

Speaker 8 (01:16:17):
Yeah right? I just all I talk about is our history.
That's all I talked about. It did What do you
mean staying on that? Nigga?

Speaker 27 (01:16:27):
I don't disagree with what you mean staying on. I
don't disagree with what you said.

Speaker 8 (01:16:32):
You know I was born in nineteen seventy, boy.

Speaker 9 (01:16:36):
Talking, It's all you talked about is your house?

Speaker 8 (01:16:39):
You you we have tools, we have because because I
talked about hold on, host says hold on, hold on
because what I heard I heard a portion of as
soon as you get to a certain point, they're gonna pop.
Well let them pop you. But get to that certain point,
do it for your kids, do it for your legacy.

(01:17:01):
Get some land. See what I'm saying. That's what I meant.
How the funck could I not know my history when
when I was born in the seventies. Bro, you just
thought you don't like the way it's being said. That
don't mean it ain't understood, bro, It's completely understood. It's

(01:17:21):
definitely understood. But when we got we got we we
got niggas arguing over money. When they come to Dayton
and pay the ship like that, man, they just wee
black people on the collective, this honor they history every day,
arguing with each other facility. So so let's apply the
the history lessons. Then let's cut all this bullshit as

(01:17:44):
biggering out and less unless. Uh, let's apply Oh we
call that.

Speaker 27 (01:17:55):
I kind of understand why he was triggered though, because
I don't. I don't disagree with that. I did, okay, Well,
I was just wanted to say, like, you know, fixing
your credit, buying the homes, all those things. A lot
of the time, certain people go through that and then
something happens, something changes your whole life. You have to
start over three, four or five times, and if how

(01:18:19):
do you navigate that? You know, like that's tricky. You
could go fix your credit, child support gets slapt on there,
and just different circumstances are always hitting these men, and
it's easy to say, go fix it, go do this,
go do that, but it's it's a trickier route to that.

Speaker 8 (01:18:35):
So I think, well, I want, respectfully, miss Ice, it's
a thing called a father and discipline that fixes a
lot of that ship.

Speaker 27 (01:18:45):
What do you mean by that, like like if they
are I know, yeah, yeah, but they don't have one.

Speaker 8 (01:18:54):
No, it's it's it's I know that. And when you
don't have one, that's when the humility need to show up.
When you ain't gotten one, that's when that's when the
real man shows up. He humbles out, he realized what
he ain't gotten, not what he thinks he got. Because
you can't sit up here and say that you're gonna

(01:19:15):
run anybody's family. If you can't build legacy while studying
your history, that your history ain't got nothing to do
with you fucking making babies, smoking, drinking and fucking around.
You still doing that, So you're still doing that, But

(01:19:40):
what the fuck?

Speaker 27 (01:19:41):
I don't disagree, but I think you're speaking to like
that that component of people who have those vices. I mean,
for real, to each his own, to each his own.
I don't want to go back and for it.

Speaker 8 (01:19:52):
Well you know, I'm not going back and forth with you.
I'm only making an assumption because observing things like men
and women don't even like each other doctor, don't we
bagging on our history though, were bagging on our history.
But we don't like each other since, So where's.

Speaker 25 (01:20:14):
I don't speak for me and I just boke on
the projection.

Speaker 8 (01:20:18):
And all that stuff. No, we just talking. I I
ain't got no now that's with you at all, says
I'm only paying attention to what I'm seeing here. What
I'm seeing here, I don't. I don't hear no black love,
no love, no solidarity for the struggle. I don't hear
none of that ship with.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Those do respect thought? Why you gotta get out of here?

Speaker 37 (01:20:38):
The same reality as this clubhouse is full of intels
and people that probably don't got ship going on in
their real life, so they projecting all day long on
this app. You gotta you gotta get off it because
in real life I see a lot of black love.
So uh, you know that's that's just my point. Like,
you know, I understand where you're coming from. But in reality,

(01:21:00):
you know, to the sister's point as well, like you know,
what are you going to do when a lot of
young brothers out here don't got fathers.

Speaker 38 (01:21:06):
It's not even a fault.

Speaker 37 (01:21:08):
Don't got mothers either, don't got family, don't got community,
don't got a society that's that's that's looking for them
and worried about their well being. They got to raise themselves.
You know, they live in the world where they don't
got that margin of error that white people got. As
soon as they make a mistake, they thrown in the
prison cell, and they spend in the next twenty thirty

(01:21:30):
years in the prison cell, getting getting released. And then
it's oh, you got to you gotta lift yourself up
by your bootstressing man with a felony in too, you know,
like you know, listen, some of us are in here
are extremely blessed to have certain privileges that shouldn't be privileges,
should just be what we all deserve as human beings.
But at the end of the day, a lot of

(01:21:50):
people don't operate in that don't have that. And you know,
I'm just saying, Albert, you know, it's it's a whole
different world out there.

Speaker 38 (01:22:00):
Side of the side.

Speaker 8 (01:22:02):
See I hear you, twelve. But you know what's weird
to me is that people who parents did the right thing,
they seem to be the problem. Just because my parents
did what the fuck they was supposed to do I'm
the problem because my parents took there. They fucking biz.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
Naw, your parents ain't a problem.

Speaker 8 (01:22:22):
You not a problem, right, So now hold on for
a minute, twelve, hold on for a second. What's funny
is we'll go to social media before we get a book.

Speaker 17 (01:22:31):
Bro.

Speaker 8 (01:22:32):
You think social media gonna sw gonna show what men
and women are doing in these neighborhoods, helping these kids.
They're gonna always show the works of the works, and
so we taking and run with it. But I tell
you right now, man, Chicago get the worst reputation out here.
You come to Chicago, man, I'm gonna show you just
how peaceful Diggs. I'm gonna show you all kinds of
positive shit happening in the city.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
No exact yo, Yo, I'll bring That's what I'm saying.
You always tell me and ya that shit like Yo,
it's a positive side to that shit. But it really
do got a bad picture on that ship, right, Albert,
we were talking about the Remember we had that room, Ebert,
which city makes black men look the worst? And what
was the first city?

Speaker 8 (01:23:08):
They said, Albert, if I remember Chicago?

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:23:13):
Cho, But doctor Albert, black women and men and women
do love each other, don't.

Speaker 8 (01:23:20):
I need you to stop saying.

Speaker 7 (01:23:21):
That what no, no, regardless what you see on this
stupid ass app. When I go outside in the world
and I go on the south side, I go hang
on my people's bro, it's love, bro.

Speaker 8 (01:23:30):
So I don't know, are I agree with you? Yay?
I was gonna talking about that app. Oh, I agree
with it. It's crazy, but I say that all the time.
See my my thing is yay. I don't know why
people take this app so serious. I don't know how
they get caught up in this app like that. I
don't know. You know, I don't. I never didn't understand.

(01:23:52):
I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (01:23:53):
I think piece of you and pieces of things that
in real life that people talk about on the app,
like they talk about how young girls is like mess,
young sisters are dealing with like white Uh call those
people again, the sugar daddies and stuff like that. I
see that here and there and stuff like that. But
as far as attaining each other, we still do black

(01:24:15):
parties when I go on to the clubs, like I
call it a catalyst. Nothing but love, like I see
no but love, bro, I promise everything I love.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
No facts, who's that who's coming in next.

Speaker 8 (01:24:30):
I was saying, I take this a more serious than
real life dead than you're a blackhead.

Speaker 29 (01:24:34):
Man, because because listen, listen, we could be all. We
could all pretend to be like you niggas. Let's be real,
y'all acting out of date right now, I'm telling you.
Hold hold, I'm telling y'all right, if real life was
more real than clubhouse, I would be I wouldn't. I
wouldn't give a funk about clubhouse. But clubhouse not clubhouse.

(01:24:57):
Online social spaces, people are way more honest in real life.
Real life niggas got a back. Appropriate niggas gotta get along.
But the people will tell you how they really feel
on the internet.

Speaker 16 (01:25:07):
I'm sorry. The internet is the streets now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Doesn't make your people are more embolden than on that.

Speaker 29 (01:25:19):
Okay, but let me ask you something. Hold on, hold on,
let me ask you something.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Are you?

Speaker 16 (01:25:24):
Are you? Are you an as?

Speaker 14 (01:25:26):
You a real person?

Speaker 7 (01:25:27):
And I asked certain ship about the gay ship and
she said she never heard that heard none of the
ship that we talked about on the mother app.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
My older sister, you feel me.

Speaker 7 (01:25:37):
I'm like, yo, you never that goes on in your community,
she said, Yo, Yeah, I don't know what the fun
you're talking about. At the same time, when I see
these people overly gay and doing stuff like that she
get on my fucking nerves. My butch sister said that.

Speaker 8 (01:25:50):
So this ship is right here is a small little
group of people. I'm not gonna explain this ship to you, motherfuckers.
If you stuck, you're stuck in the matrix. God bless you, man.

Speaker 29 (01:26:00):
Let me have my how the matrix. It's real life.
It's real people. I'm not talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
That's what you're trying to know.

Speaker 16 (01:26:08):
I'm gonna be real.

Speaker 29 (01:26:09):
I used to be like you can pretend to be
like I'm too real for the internet.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Nigga.

Speaker 16 (01:26:14):
No, but I'm sorry stepping step into twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Sorry you.

Speaker 8 (01:26:19):
Absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 5 (01:26:24):
Getting on call of duty and hearing.

Speaker 37 (01:26:26):
A little fourteen year old white boy cursed me out
saying he's gonna beat me up.

Speaker 39 (01:26:30):
Absolutely twelve, so fucking on the internet equipment.

Speaker 29 (01:26:38):
So twelve, Can I ask you something? What's more honest though,
that little twelve year old white boy who walks past
you in the street and don't say ship to you,
but he's calling you nigger in his brain or him
calling you that on call of duty, him calling you
do what he really wants to do.

Speaker 16 (01:26:55):
Here's the funny thing. Here's the funny thing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
These whites don't give a ship. How you feel, bro?

Speaker 7 (01:26:59):
Like you you you talk about these niggas as matter
because I'm telling them, don't hold you talk about fucking
white women in order to revenge the ancestors.

Speaker 19 (01:27:13):
That's what I'm talking about, absolutely.

Speaker 8 (01:27:15):
Right, that's a small proportion of men.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
Some men do do that too.

Speaker 8 (01:27:18):
At the same time out here, but it ain't large.

Speaker 16 (01:27:22):
Now here's a perfect example.

Speaker 8 (01:27:26):
Perfect You can implify that ship by a thousand.

Speaker 29 (01:27:29):
It's different, bro, Yeah, that's a perfect example. I get
on this app and I talk about that, Right, But
I have a real job in real life. Can I
go into my job in real life and talk about
that with random people? Can I say we should go around?
Can I even tell black men in real life we
should go around fun white women? Again, they won't listen
to me. They won't even get spooked out. When I
get on clubhouse and I talk about it, niggas is

(01:27:50):
willing to listen. I'm being dead ass, So what's more?

Speaker 16 (01:27:52):
Honest?

Speaker 29 (01:27:53):
Yeah, in my honest when of that work when I'm
in front of people and I can't say this, what's
more honest to you? You're honesty I'm saying. I'm saying
this the gender war and all that. It comes from
a place in honesty. It's not just out of fiction.
These are real black woman. I know what I'm saying.
These are real black woman on the Internet talking bad
about black men.

Speaker 16 (01:28:12):
We have to deal with. We can't just sweep it
under the rugg And it's the Internet.

Speaker 37 (01:28:15):
You definitely can, bro, because it's the minority nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
But it's a it's a It's like, what do they
call them? They call them the algorithm.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
If I get on Instagram right and I'm constantly.

Speaker 29 (01:28:29):
You know what the algorithm does. It curates culture. People
learn from the algorithm. That's people that it curates your cultures.
Here's the funny thing, y'all, y'all trying so hard to
be all his hold on. We ain't this Internet, nigga.
Y'all just got to step into the future. I'm sorry,
you gotta get that, get away from these outdated belops.

Speaker 17 (01:28:49):
You're not.

Speaker 29 (01:28:51):
I'm more in touch with the real world than y'all
because I don't dismissed both worlds. You dismissed the internet.
I don't dismissed the internet, and I don't dismiss reality.
I take a look at both, took both seriously in
the matrix.

Speaker 16 (01:29:03):
Oh you're so cool. You're so cool because you don't
you choose to be ignorant about the interview.

Speaker 18 (01:29:06):
Because there's black people that are loving each other.

Speaker 27 (01:29:09):
Go out sure, because okay, well, yeah, I want to
argue with somebody about their sense of reality.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
But to what.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Argue with me about your ignorance?

Speaker 25 (01:29:23):
My bad bad, I'm not coming to my bad.

Speaker 8 (01:29:25):
Let let us speak.

Speaker 27 (01:29:31):
And I just wanted to leave this here because I
appreciated him saying like, you can't help if you don't
have a dad in those things, because that topic for
me was was touchy.

Speaker 8 (01:29:41):
You know, I moved.

Speaker 27 (01:29:43):
I moved to Texas, and I never saw actually a
wealthy black person until I moved. And I think that
we mentioned places like Chicago and these big cities that
might have just a little bit more access, and it
just made it makes it tricky because there's a lot
of places that are overlooked and a lot of people

(01:30:04):
who are overlooked. So I know that black men are
not free they're just tolerated. Like if you go upstate
New York and you see how they're getting treated and
all the systems that they're being pushed through, fixing credit
and what Natcho is saying about the money, well that
that's it's way bigger than that, Like people are addicts,

(01:30:25):
people are running running around without a support system. Like
it gets super duper duper deep. So I just wanted
to speak to that. And I think a lot of
people just don't know that because it's overlooked like Chicago, Detroit,
those are big cities, you know. And I'm not saying
that they don't have their own struggle, but it's real
deal out here for some people. So and I appreciate

(01:30:48):
sing you are coming on States saying, like talking about
hating all these different things, like you gotta, yeah, show
a little bit of empathy and compassion.

Speaker 25 (01:30:57):
But anyways, I rest my keys.

Speaker 17 (01:31:00):
What's making the difference? Because I see successful black men
and then I see the not so successful black men.
So what is it that are what what is the difference?
Why are these these black men on the other side
so successful and then the ones on this side is
not successful? What's stopping them? Like what's stopping them from

(01:31:21):
not being successful?

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
That's a million dollar questions. There's a million different questions.

Speaker 8 (01:31:28):
You can figure out because it is possible.

Speaker 17 (01:31:31):
I'm seeing black surgeons, I'm seeing black doctors, I'm seeing
black excellence, I'm seeing black freaking luxury. And then on
the other side, that's my point, like, I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
So what's stopping So.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
That's that's a million dollar question.

Speaker 37 (01:31:46):
And you figured out, you you become a best selling
author because that's a complicated question.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
That's a complicated complicated It is complicated because.

Speaker 37 (01:31:57):
Hold on telling about talk about whole that you You
could come from a two parent household with five hundred
dollars of income flowing into that home, and you will
still have and be able to raise kids that are
complete bumps, utter bumps, don't want to do anything, trust
on babies that they believe their parents should be doing

(01:32:17):
everything for them. You could also come from a single
parent household with everything working against you and become the
the what is the word that that I'm trying to exactly,
it's you could become de anomaly. You could become somebody
that that just completely beat the odds. There's no blueprint
to success. That doesn't apply to anybody. So that's what

(01:32:40):
I'm saying, you should have a certain level of grace.
That's what I'm going back to, have a certain level
of grace for each other because we understand that, hey,
there's a specific history that has affected black people all
over the world where these people have literal, literal rigged

(01:33:00):
scenarios thrown at them, they still had to overcome that.
Even as they overcome that, they built from the ground
up and had governments literally weaponized laws, weaponized so many
things against them that has put them at the bottom
of the batrel. So at the end of the day,
that's that's what I'm saying, Like, you know, like we

(01:33:22):
can't sit here and say.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
Yo, you need to have this to figure it out.

Speaker 37 (01:33:25):
You need to have that because listen, we're we're all
one fuck up away from ending up like the next man.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
This is speaking like.

Speaker 37 (01:33:33):
I'm somebody that comes from the projects, right, I'm somebody
who literally comes from a single parent household.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
Never met my dad. Everybody in my life pretty much
shitter on me.

Speaker 37 (01:33:42):
I could, I could, I could feel bad for myself
all day long, but I just know that at the
end of the day, nobody's gonna come and save me.

Speaker 39 (01:33:48):
So I've had that drive since the little kid to
be successful. Some of my peers they don't have that drive.
Why because they might suffer from depression, they might have
a family that literally like instill fear into them. Like
we all are different, we all are complicated beings. So
this and even the idea of success is a European idea.

Speaker 37 (01:34:11):
Like some people just live going to live in the
forest and be happy. Some people don't care about fucking
six figures and living in a nice home and a
two parent household and a family with eight kids, Like
that's the We're.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Talking about things that are subjective. So this whole idea
of success is subjective. Maybe to you Red wearing proud.

Speaker 37 (01:34:30):
Of heels and and and and looking like the most
fliest lady in the neighborhood is your idea of success
for some person that it might not be. And I'm
not projecting onto you. I'm not saying that's what it
is for you, but I'm just saying that's how.

Speaker 34 (01:34:42):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 18 (01:34:43):
And the people that don't have what I have is
what I'm saying.

Speaker 17 (01:34:46):
Like I came from came from the same hood y'all
came from. But then I'm getting it out the mud.
What's stopping you from getting it out the until and
we come from the same place.

Speaker 16 (01:34:59):
I'm saying this circumstances. That's circumstance.

Speaker 34 (01:35:03):
I'm not understanding.

Speaker 17 (01:35:04):
We all came from the slum, the gutter. But then
some people are coming out of there.

Speaker 34 (01:35:10):
Like if you go to.

Speaker 18 (01:35:11):
Texas too, it's not she's not lying what she's saying.
I went to Texas a million times.

Speaker 17 (01:35:15):
I've never seen someone black excellent in my fucking life
when I come to Texass Like it's like I'm in
Wakanda or something like, I disagree with Youkanda.

Speaker 34 (01:35:25):
I'm saying black people building.

Speaker 18 (01:35:28):
My eyes had to open up big.

Speaker 17 (01:35:30):
I'm seeing black couples building their house from the ground
and they talk into construction workers and they building. They
they crib concrete, concrete, all types of ship and I'm like,
this is possible, Like this ship is fucking possible.

Speaker 8 (01:35:49):
You know, this is this is what's this don't make
sense to me? Man? Why this why you think we
talking about extreme riches. I'm talking about being able to
to facilitate food, clothing, and shelter on a consistent basis
to be able to maintain at least three thousand dollars
in the bank consistently. What is this? What is this

(01:36:10):
rich shit? Who's talking that?

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Like?

Speaker 8 (01:36:14):
People? People are living way beyond their means and if
they stop doing that, their lives would be that much better.
But if you're not educated and then you close minded
because you don't want the education, well then you you're
getting what you put in place. I'm not talking about
nothing all major and and being super wealthy. I'm talking

(01:36:34):
about applying fundamental shit like balancing the check book, like
creating the income statement, like like creating the allignmance for yourself,
stop spending money where you don't need to. I'm not
talking about nothing major like that.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
Hey listen, brother, I agree with you.

Speaker 37 (01:36:53):
I think I think that is definitely possible and I
would want that. But I'm just adding it, and they're
just adding content that some people just for whatever reason
may be.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Again, I just said mental illnesses.

Speaker 37 (01:37:06):
They don't have the support, they don't have the connections,
they don't have the resources to be able to get
that done.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
Not saying that that applies to everybody. There's some people
out here that are just lazy.

Speaker 37 (01:37:16):
There are people out here that just don't want to
be better. There are some people out here that just,
I'm not going to lie to you, just gave up.
I know some people who are just waiting on the
day that they die, on the day that they transition,
because they're tired of fighting life. So yes, it's possible
we should want that. But man, this world is complicated,
even everything's going on geopolitically, and the world has people like, yo, listen,

(01:37:40):
I can't I can't do what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
You know, some people get on their phone.

Speaker 37 (01:37:45):
And just feel like shit because they can't do what
you're talking about, which is something so simple, but for
some reason it's just again, it's just human beings.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
So you know, at the end of the day, it
is what it is.

Speaker 37 (01:37:57):
But but nah, I agree with you, Albert, I think
and again, and I come from them. I applied that.
I literally come. I just said, I just come from
the projects. Right now, I'm living in a beautiful home
with a patio. I drive a seven series BMW like ain't.
Nobody could have projected and would have predicted where I'm
at in my life. But I just honestly never gave up,

(01:38:18):
and I honestly knew that nobody was gonna save me.
It was up to me to try to learn and
to try to apply the things that I want to
my life to me because ain't nobody gonna have grace
for me at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:38:29):
That's what the world has shown me. But you know
that's just me. Though I can't. I can't say that
all y'all could do the same thing.

Speaker 37 (01:38:35):
Oh, because I got a seven series BMW, y'all could
do it too.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
Maybe y'all can, Maybe I can't.

Speaker 8 (01:38:50):
It's hilarious, man, that's all.

Speaker 1 (01:38:58):
And my saying was wrong.

Speaker 22 (01:38:59):
Albert, Look, make sure you have a higher savings account.

Speaker 8 (01:39:07):
Somebody gonna somebody gonna die. Somebody gonna die in the
next fifteen seven.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
And like.

Speaker 8 (01:39:17):
We we were talking about the collectors, Man, it's always
the minority, man, it's always the minority. Ain't nothing like
getting up off your ass? That that that's an amazing
When you start getting up off your ass, man, you'd

(01:39:38):
be surprised how your life will change. Man. Would you
so I'm not I'm not buying it me personally, I
ain't buying it. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
Would you agree that we need teachers.

Speaker 37 (01:39:49):
We need, we need, we need people that are gonna
guide individuals and teach them these things, that are gonna
introduce them to these ideas.

Speaker 8 (01:39:57):
A man, look, man, the GUIDs end up dying, broken, sick,
and the people still try to.

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
There was plenty guys that the gods dying people.

Speaker 8 (01:40:08):
All the so called gods, they end up martyrs. Like
when we go talking about our history, we done had
a lot of black leaders that took bullets and we're
still on bullshit. So at some point you got to
earn your key. At some point. You can't keep waiting

(01:40:29):
on somebody to fucking guide you. That's bullshit, because you
guide yourself in the other stupid ship. You could, you
could guide yourself into all kinds of factory and then
when it's time to really so improve now you need
well you know, my mom my dad, the environment. No man, nah,

(01:40:50):
you can choose a lot of people choose to do
what they want to do. Life ain't easy. It's nothing
about life that's guaranteed that don't stop you from getting
up and do it and breathing. You know, I say,
you could get taken out at any moment. That don't
stop you. So we can see we could either dwell

(01:41:11):
on the negative or build on the positives. I can
sit here and pick and choose all kinds of negative shit.
I can pick three hundred things that's negative. Meanwhile, how
is that gonna change your outcome? Okay, somebody really can't
figure it out? Can you figure it out? Can you

(01:41:34):
get it done? Because if it was that easy, man,
everybody be walking around here. So a lot of people
just sit up here and they choose to be in
their own demise. I keep I hear mental health so much. Man.
Cats don't be signing enough for no mental especially men.
They not signing enough for no no therapy, bro, all

(01:41:56):
the collective. Absolutely not. Black men are not doing that
just because it's cool the same. It may sound good,
but you know black people are not not doing that, man.
So we could be honest, So we could just you know, complain,
we could talk about it. We can complain. But just

(01:42:17):
because somebody is doing fairly well, you never know where
they come from. See, a lot of people didn't know
this and didn't know that had mental problems, came from poverty.
How did they make it? They had the same issues,
same shit going on. But they've seen the persevere. I

(01:42:38):
wonder how that happened.

Speaker 37 (01:42:40):
But let me ask you something, brother, But you keep
saying again, like you know, doing the right thing. If
that's why asked, do you believe that there should be
a teacher? Because what if the people around you in
your corner are programming you to doing the wrong things?
Like there's a reality out there for a baby being
grown into the world and nothing but negativity being instilled
in program into them.

Speaker 1 (01:43:02):
So how do you tell that person? Hey, out of
all the negativity and shitty things that's going on around you,
I want.

Speaker 37 (01:43:08):
You to build that key to success, as you said
in your own words. I want you to just conjure
up one day while you're sitting in your bedroom and
your parents are drinking on the other room and arguing
and your dad is probably beating the ship out your mother.
I want you to sit in there and think of
something real positive and come and make it out the hood.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
Like like, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:43:29):
You needed somebody.

Speaker 8 (01:43:30):
To be Like, Yo, there's said that you hearing what
you want to here? I know I'm like that.

Speaker 39 (01:43:36):
You said you said you got to build that key
for yourself. You said that, you said that there you have.

Speaker 17 (01:43:43):
If you have no right like, if you have no
positive influences around you, right, Like, Okay, I could give
you an example what well me and my friends said.

Speaker 18 (01:43:52):
Right when we grew up.

Speaker 17 (01:43:54):
In the hood.

Speaker 18 (01:43:55):
You know, we didn't know shit, We didn't know nothing.

Speaker 17 (01:43:57):
We always see this drug dealerss, you know.

Speaker 18 (01:44:00):
My friends and we used to take a.

Speaker 17 (01:44:03):
Ride around the other town, the other side of town
where it was like big mansions and stuff, right, and
we would lie, right, We're gonna be like, oh, we
will knock on their door, because we kids were we
knocked on the door. We would lie and be like, oh,
we have a school project and we just want to
know what you guys do for a living for our
school project.

Speaker 18 (01:44:23):
And you know, these housewives to tell.

Speaker 17 (01:44:26):
Us, oh, my man's a doctor, my man is a lawyer,
my man's this and that, and we and then we
go back home. We sit down, we write down, how
are we gonna get a man like that? And then we
write down what did she say her man is a doctor?
Lord that we start looking up doctors, we start looking
up lawyers.

Speaker 34 (01:44:42):
Then we start going to school and.

Speaker 17 (01:44:44):
Be like, you know what, I'm gonna try to be
that because I want that. You understand, I didn't nobody
even tell me about the medical field. I had to
go out with my friends to find out about the
medical field. And now I'm in the medical field now.

Speaker 29 (01:44:56):
Like you, if you don't go to the end of
the story you're knocking on rich people's houses, don't even
get that what happened.

Speaker 18 (01:45:03):
Yeah, And they would tell me, like what they what
they meant because.

Speaker 17 (01:45:06):
It was mostly housewives in the house, So they would
tell me, like what their husband did for a living,
and that's why they were that's why they're at where
they're at. So then that gave us an idea.

Speaker 29 (01:45:18):
Like knocking on the white people's houses and asking them
what they do for a living.

Speaker 17 (01:45:23):
You're my friends, yep, with with our school, with our
school I D and everything, and yep, that's what we did.
And we didn't know about doctors and lawyers. And until
we did that, that's when we found out. That's what
I'm trying to say, you know, and we were in
environment where they don't teach us, none of.

Speaker 1 (01:45:41):
You.

Speaker 17 (01:45:43):
Yeah, Haitian guy.

Speaker 29 (01:45:45):
Okay, I thought she said that earlier.

Speaker 28 (01:45:53):
He said, No. Unfortunately, I'm sorry to interrupt you. Unfortunately,
you were you were owing.

Speaker 8 (01:46:01):
No, No, she was a little basic.

Speaker 28 (01:46:04):
That's I'm sorry.

Speaker 40 (01:46:05):
Listen, listen, you were hoeing by asking, you know, but
you you were collecting, they were giving you money.

Speaker 18 (01:46:19):
No, no, we wasn't getting money from them. Did I
say that my story?

Speaker 34 (01:46:22):
In my story?

Speaker 17 (01:46:25):
Wait, I don't know about other other people? See you
see what comprehensions, see comprehensions. It's very it's very, very detrimental.
Did I say that my story? Or you're thinking about
somebody else's story projecting?

Speaker 8 (01:46:40):
Hold up?

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
Right, Hold up, up up. I know y'all just joining in.
Y'all going in right now, we in gender walls. Make
sure y'all picking the room out and share the room
out so we can allow more people to come in here.
But I switched the topic up. Let's switch it up
a little bit.

Speaker 8 (01:46:53):
Yeah, hold up, hold up, I'm not done. You have
me talking, right?

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
Hold up. I switched the topic up, ping this room
out and share it out to more people so that
way they can come in here, so they can talk
about this shit on the war floor. Now, do black
men feel like walking wallets or future leaders? Y'all already
know what time it is? Run am uck in here.
I don't care what y'all talk about, but stay to
the topic. It don't matter ping it up. If y'all

(01:47:20):
see somebody mods at the bottom, you know, bring them
up or whatever. But do black men feel like walking
wallets or future leaders? Let's continue this conversation. Anybody can
take the mic. It's popcorn style. Now let's go.

Speaker 8 (01:47:32):
Yeah, yeah, can you say see, letna be honest with you.
I'm not ping in the room. You you had the
whole nother title.

Speaker 22 (01:47:39):
Man, I ain't even see the change, just change out
of nowhere.

Speaker 21 (01:47:43):
So yeah, I know, I don't want to disrespect your
room by talking about something off.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
Nah. Yeah, you should wrap up the last convo and
then you know, chime it into the new one. Bro,
I think that Nick need a better mind. Yeah, that
mic was crazy three?

Speaker 8 (01:48:02):
You know three it's the back man, Damn.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
I don't know. I can't hear you.

Speaker 39 (01:48:10):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:48:10):
I felt like it's not like you on like a
radio station. I don't know what's going on. Who's coming
in there? That's me.

Speaker 37 (01:48:15):
I think I think we're all walking wilets at this point.
To be honest, I don't think. I don't think the
world wants real change. You know, if they do they
gotta let go a lot of the uncomfortability and the
lukewarm perspectives that they have because you know, at this point,
like a lot of ship is going to ship and

(01:48:35):
we're just keeping our wallets. That's the main focus. Everybody
wants to make money. Everybody wants to be you know,
the next person that is making six figures. Like you know,
I just personally feel a lot of genuinecy is going
Most people are just making relationships to to one not

(01:48:57):
you know. So that's just my perspective. Don't think that
only applies to black man. That applies to everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
So Rob, thank you for coming on the stage. Three yeah, three,

(01:49:24):
you can hop in the minister double low. Thank y'all
for coming up. Y be what it do? Do black
men feel like walking wallets? I mean, you know, I
feel like that's the only time, you know, we really
get respected is when we are walking wallet.

Speaker 8 (01:49:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
I don't see a lot of people working on the
future leadership and shit man, y'all just you know, some
people focused on getting the bag and that's it right,
let's continue this shit man, y'all focused on the bag?
And what about the leadership ship? What about leaving the legacy.
What about you know what I'm saying, let's talk about
this shit. I don't expand the convo. Who's coming in next?

Speaker 8 (01:49:53):
Is this about how black can feel?

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
Go ahead, double low, take it everything anyway you want, man.

Speaker 41 (01:49:59):
I mean, I can understand how somebody like a black
man might feel like that, as you know where we're
here to be producers.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
Don could go underwater?

Speaker 28 (01:50:19):
You under you are under the water. Okay, get out
of the water.

Speaker 14 (01:50:23):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
Yeah, I don't know what's going on, elements that you
want to come in. I don't know where he I
don't know what the hell, yo, It's like two mics
back to back. I'm hearing it. Sounds like y'all are suffocated.
I don't need the mic. What's going on?

Speaker 28 (01:50:38):
Ge Okay, guys, do black men feel like walking wallets
or future leaders? I mean, it's a it's a tight.

Speaker 1 (01:50:47):
Time right now. It's not a black man.

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
Listen.

Speaker 42 (01:50:52):
Black men just have to do what y'all do. Don't
you understand you are their child of got men, so
you cannot be fucked up men. So I mean, I'm
just saying that's it. Nod Oh, did you washing your

(01:51:13):
teeth this morning?

Speaker 43 (01:51:16):
You know, did you washing your teeth this morning? I'm
asking you a question, Oh are you attacking? No, that's
not like when I say kids. They used to have
that lady who always says you are there sata people,
that's who you are. What are you talking?

Speaker 1 (01:51:37):
I'm talking about the black men.

Speaker 28 (01:51:38):
Feel like walking while you're talking about someone other ship.

Speaker 8 (01:51:42):
I don't know, look at it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 42 (01:51:49):
It's for with you know black men, you're just doing
like I said, y'are just doing what y'all do.

Speaker 28 (01:51:55):
Okay, the black men. Don't you know who you are anywhere?
Y'all doing what y'all do, and y'all just keep doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:07):
What the fuck is going on? Many black men just
do what you do?

Speaker 20 (01:52:17):
Like, yeah, I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 40 (01:52:19):
You know, no, No, you know what's crazy that I'm
digging black men up right, and you.

Speaker 28 (01:52:24):
Guys are just still like, what are you talking about?
Is that better for you?

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
You know?

Speaker 9 (01:52:30):
I come from heady.

Speaker 42 (01:52:31):
I was born dad, so I cannot pretend like I'm
not the hear shing leeddy, but I am.

Speaker 28 (01:52:37):
You understand, So depending on the situation, how you want me.

Speaker 25 (01:52:40):
To bring it, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:52:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:52:43):
You let me know how you want it.

Speaker 28 (01:52:45):
I give it to you like that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
Hey talk to the topic.

Speaker 20 (01:52:49):
She did, she just did.

Speaker 8 (01:52:51):
She literally didn't disrespect any black men at all. She
literally said, what you gotta do, do what you can do.

Speaker 20 (01:52:57):
That's it.

Speaker 9 (01:52:58):
You know, no, you you you didn't.

Speaker 28 (01:53:00):
Thank you sir so much.

Speaker 42 (01:53:01):
That guy with you don't kind of get that sit
in their back, you know, they put you in their.

Speaker 9 (01:53:06):
Back because you have it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
You have it.

Speaker 42 (01:53:09):
No no, no, no no no, by their door, by their.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
Door to go and exit.

Speaker 28 (01:53:14):
It calls security.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
Yes, that's true.

Speaker 9 (01:53:16):
You sit in the back either way by their door, or.

Speaker 1 (01:53:22):
Let me jump in there, and let me jump in
there y'all before I go off. Please black.

Speaker 14 (01:53:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 44 (01:53:29):
So so there's black men do feel like that. I mean,
at the end of the day, there's not a lot
of places black men can go to to be themselves
to get the ship off and you know, not being
on no sexual ship, but just really get their off
through emotional ship. Because some women I might hate no

(01:53:51):
women love black women to the death of women to
the death, but some women can't handle some of the
emotions that come along with the black with the man
with the black man specifically so when we try, we
don't have a lot of places to go where people
can actually respect us getting it off, the emotions and stuff,

(01:54:12):
the frustration, the anger, just the fucking life.

Speaker 8 (01:54:16):
And then they want you to work.

Speaker 44 (01:54:17):
Hard, your ass off, your hard earned time, labor money
to get.

Speaker 8 (01:54:26):
Things going with life and you don't have any release.

Speaker 44 (01:54:29):
You don't have no way to get out, and it's
it's it's uh, it's messed up.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
We do have plases to go.

Speaker 19 (01:54:40):
Waiting, so think tank, So where do we?

Speaker 8 (01:54:43):
So? Where do we go?

Speaker 45 (01:54:44):
Though said, we don't have any places to go? So
where do you go?

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
Typically, let's talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
Man, We do have plas we.

Speaker 20 (01:54:56):
No hold on, hold up three, hold up?

Speaker 8 (01:54:58):
Where's he?

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
Is?

Speaker 8 (01:54:59):
He still here?

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Man? He disappeared? After that?

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
We do have we do have places to go.

Speaker 46 (01:55:06):
The issue is, is you niggas caddle stupidity. You niggas
caddle degeneracy. You niggas coddle all the wrong ship just
to be around women. Because a lot of you niggas
before this internet shit, didn't even see a bitch a
bitch didn't look your way. So when you get around women,

(01:55:27):
you do anything to keep them around instead of actually
just being yourself actually just standing on your one two
and being a man. And you know, we and when
I say we did have we do have places to go,
I mean we do have rooms, we can make, We do.

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
Have barbershop talk, we do have every.

Speaker 8 (01:55:48):
We have everything.

Speaker 46 (01:55:49):
Bro, y'all niggas just y'all won't y'all want bitches to
be involved so bad, that's what y'all do anything.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
Y'all do anything to have them around.

Speaker 46 (01:56:01):
And it's like, damn bro like, are you that desperate
for a woman's attention?

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
And this is coming from a nigga that got a
girl man like I just I be like, I.

Speaker 46 (01:56:12):
Be like looking at you niggas like, damn bro like,
even in these rooms, man, y'all, let if a woman
this might even not be hurting her ptr she might.

Speaker 3 (01:56:23):
All she gotta do is post a cute picture and
she can wild out.

Speaker 46 (01:56:28):
And y'all niggas just accept that shit because y'all want
a woman that look decent around y'all. And she's not
even around y'all. She on an audio app. We see
it on an audio app. I see it in real life,
see it in y'all. Niggas moves, y'all nigga's gonna make
a move for these bitches before y'all make a move
for y'all family, a move for your future, a move

(01:56:48):
for like Stack said, your lineage, Yo, Yo, this shit
is wild. It's all on us, man and I. And
the more that I the more that I think about it,
the more I realize that it's all on us because
women are gonna be women at the end of the day,
and a real man knows that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
So when a real man.

Speaker 46 (01:57:10):
Knows that, he knows how to orchestraight life through that.
But a lot of these niggas don't know how to
orches straight life through that because you was raised by
a single mom and some men make it out because
I was raised by a single mom too, But I
have my dad, that's my dog, and he showed me
how to be a man without having to have a
woman's approval.

Speaker 3 (01:57:31):
A lot of you niggas, I talk about this shit
all the time.

Speaker 46 (01:57:33):
A lot of you niggas seek approval from everybody, and
you're not supposed to be approved by everyone. That's what
makes you a man by standing on your too. Like
it's literally sad that you niggas seek approval before you
even seek respect anymore. Y'all deal with anything just to
be accepted. And that's the issue, that's the literal problem,

(01:57:58):
and why you niggas is in a fucking bend, and
why women could just do anything to you niggas or
just anything in society just okay to ship And I'd
be like, hey, man, stick crazy bro. But I'm just
one brother. I can only control my world. I may
not like the world that goes around me, but I
like I like my world.

Speaker 47 (01:58:28):
Welcome to gender wars.

Speaker 25 (01:58:30):
Shut off the stack.

Speaker 1 (01:58:32):
Fucking nuts, Diego, like, from morning to night time, it's
just fucking chaos.

Speaker 8 (01:58:42):
What's up?

Speaker 33 (01:58:42):
Friend?

Speaker 47 (01:58:45):
Like walking violence for future leaders? I don't know how
they would feel like walking violence because they're so I mean,
I'm sure I don't know how that that's how they feel,
But I don't think they're aiming to be leaders either,

(01:59:06):
So I'm stumped on this second.

Speaker 1 (01:59:09):
This is the first time Diego has been stumped, reporting
live from the IRL that she is very stumped right now.
So do black men feel like walking wallets? Diego says, no,
you guys are poor, and it also you guys are
not working on being future leaders. This is why, very
very very much that mentorship is important. Who you surround
yourself with if you haven't had the father in the house, Diego,

(01:59:30):
look at mentorship. Who's in your corner, Who's gonna teach
you right from wrong? So that way you don't grow
up to be a degenerate. We want these young men
to grow up to be future black leaders and not
walking wallets. Yes, they want their walls to be fat,
but that's not what you want to base your life off.
A lot of people out but you know what it is,
Black men they coming up, they lead with this wallet
and they get took an advantage of and now they

(01:59:51):
ain't no fucking leader. They're just so chump with some bread.
Let's talk about it. Man, the floor is open. Do
black men feel like walking wallets or future leaders? What
do you guys see out there? Thank you for porting live, Diego?
Who else is here for? Sean just got here, Rosettes
on the stage, Peter Q, Rob three Cola, thank you
for coming through. Let's continue this conversation. What do you

(02:00:12):
guys think about the topic at hand? Let's continue?

Speaker 46 (02:00:17):
And I fucked with Diego and I do think it's
a lot of poor niggas all head but it's a
lot of poor ass bitches all head too, and they're.

Speaker 3 (02:00:24):
Not following and they not following the right men.

Speaker 46 (02:00:28):
So both of them is poor and fucked up. And
I see it a lot, and I'd be like, damn,
like they following happiness. So we got this this is
the generation in a twenty second analyze Mason. We got
women that chase happiness and acceptance and we got a

(02:00:51):
whole bunch of bitch ass niggas that chase pussy in acceptance.

Speaker 3 (02:00:56):
And it's just like, we're not building it anything, man.

Speaker 46 (02:01:00):
Were the only people that are not that don't understand
how to build something and what it takes to actually
sit down and build shit, Like.

Speaker 3 (02:01:10):
You niggas just want to spend money and.

Speaker 46 (02:01:14):
Look like you got it instead of actually having it.
Like it's crazy and it's like the only the only
thing I could think of is because y'all listen to
what a woman think a man is, bro. And I
love my sisters, I love my girl, but she didn't

(02:01:37):
define me as a lamb Like I was this before
I had money, I was this before I had charisma.
I was this nigga when I was poor, And I
don't know, I just feel like we talked this good game.
But y'all champion.

Speaker 3 (02:01:59):
All of the people that don't have.

Speaker 46 (02:02:02):
Characters just because they look like they got it, and
most of them don't even got it.

Speaker 36 (02:02:10):
Yeah, that is a point. Well, what we have to do,
my brother, we have to start coming together, making more
friends and come into an agreement and how we want
to make things better between women and men who are
in the same same boats.

Speaker 8 (02:02:30):
So how do we build.

Speaker 36 (02:02:32):
On something if we're gonna always be negative about everything
and opposing each other?

Speaker 1 (02:02:39):
What is going on right now?

Speaker 46 (02:02:41):
Hey, they should in the chat, that they should in
the check too, that there's nothing wrong with chase and happiness.
But there is something wrong with chase and happiness because
y'all treated like a drug.

Speaker 3 (02:02:56):
Now, y'all will put happiness over your family.

Speaker 46 (02:02:58):
You'll put happiness over with your kids, happiness over your
future kit damn here, you might put happiness over yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:03:06):
This the new crack epidemic.

Speaker 46 (02:03:08):
Y'all putting happiness over everything and don't realize that it
takes some grit and some work, and sometimes brit and work.

Speaker 3 (02:03:15):
Don't look happy.

Speaker 46 (02:03:17):
And you cannot be happy for five years, right, But
those five years you developed and you work, and you hushle,
and you saved your money, and you invested in the
right things and you bought assets, and now you set
for happiness for the rest.

Speaker 3 (02:03:33):
Of your life.

Speaker 46 (02:03:34):
Y'all don't know how to like. Y'all chase so much
temporary happiness. Y'all don't even know. Like, I don't care
why y'all don't get it. Man, I'm tired of explaining
this sit.

Speaker 47 (02:03:49):
So three, what do men have to do? Like, give
me the top two things in your opinion that you
feel men have to do to start shifting the way
the dating markets.

Speaker 46 (02:04:02):
Stop caring so much of what and it's gonna sound hard,
but I love my fifties. Stop caring so much of
what women think one and two. Stop trying to be
accepted by everybody. Bro Like, be a man, stand up.

(02:04:23):
That's what a man did. A man is he, he
defines himself. And a lot of you niggas is defined
by social media. A lot of you niggas is defined.

Speaker 3 (02:04:31):
By a group.

Speaker 46 (02:04:33):
Yeah, for sure, stop caring what people think cute for
su not just women, but a lot of these niggas
just base it off. Oh man, shes gonna think I'm broke.
Oh man, she gonna think of like, man, fuck it.
If she don't fuck with you, she not the one,
and y'all be trying to be the one so bad
that y'all look stupid. And then she need y'all for
another nigga.

Speaker 3 (02:04:55):
Again.

Speaker 8 (02:04:55):
Man, Keith's laying this shit.

Speaker 3 (02:04:58):
But those are the two things.

Speaker 8 (02:05:00):
Yeah, those are the two things.

Speaker 3 (02:05:01):
If men want to start actually changing some shit and
get us.

Speaker 46 (02:05:05):
Some traction and sean, women, okay, we're serious about what
we're doing.

Speaker 8 (02:05:11):
Take yourself serious, whether you know sack.

Speaker 47 (02:05:16):
I think some men are okay being the walking wallet
because it means they don't have to do ont of
anything else.

Speaker 8 (02:05:25):
I think for some.

Speaker 34 (02:05:26):
Men, as long as they can bring the bag, that's
all they have to.

Speaker 9 (02:05:31):
We got to wake the conversation up.

Speaker 16 (02:05:32):
Paying your good friends, not the rotchet.

Speaker 1 (02:05:34):
Now I agree. I agree with that, Diego. It's like,
once you get the bag, this is not the end
all bey'all. Where is your mental Where is your brain?
There's plenty of people, because you know, I'm in the
industry and I meet these people. They don't even know
how to count their money, they don't know how to
do their taxes, they don't know how they don't even
know what they're getting back. You guys got to be

(02:05:56):
better leaders, man, this is bullshit. I'm seeing people get
into this shit. They act like walking wallets, but you
can't even keep up with the wallet part. Then you
can't even get to the future leader part because you
haven't kept up with the wallet. You've made stupid decisions,
dumb investments. Maybe you blew it on, Don Julio. I
don't fucking know you understand. So let's get back to this. Diego,

(02:06:17):
thank you for that. Do black men feel like walking
wallets or future leaders? Pinging? Your good friends, not the
ratchet ones. You heard what Diego said. Thank you for
being here, Cola YB Senior to Diego for Sean three,
everybody in here ping it up. Lou, thank you for
coming on stage as well. Let's continue this conversation about
do black men feel like walking wallets or their future leaders?

(02:06:40):
I see some black men around me there. You know,
they're tapping into leadership, better late than never, but they're
tapping into leadership. They're tapping into self development, you know,
knowing who they are stepping into their purpose on purpose.
But then you got some people walking around leading with
the bag walking wallets. Wonder why they're getting drained and
took an advantage of because they're putting this money at

(02:07:02):
the forefront and not thinking about the relationship and how
to build. But they're really putting the wallet at the
forefront and thinking that's that's what the woman is going
to respect, or their partner or the people around them.
You know what I'm saying, where's the leadership, where's the development?
I want to talk about it. The floor's open taking.

Speaker 45 (02:07:20):
I'm gonna be honest, I don't know where where, like
where we went wrong, But at some point somebody told
men that money was everything.

Speaker 1 (02:07:33):
It's so crazy because it's promoted heavily in the media nowadays,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 45 (02:07:43):
Yeah, yeah, people tell people say like they think money
is everything.

Speaker 20 (02:07:48):
Well, what's so crazy is I hear on this app
that men need.

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
To be leaders.

Speaker 45 (02:07:53):
The same men that I hear that preach about being
leaders are the same men that complain about women taking
their money. Right, But realistically, if you have women telling
you that you need to make more money, are you
a leader or is she the leader? Because now you're
following what she says.

Speaker 46 (02:08:13):
Shock, So, which is why I say stop, You know,
why oh you get what I'm saying.

Speaker 20 (02:08:22):
Oh, no, I do.

Speaker 45 (02:08:24):
But any man in this room as ever, like you know,
got upset when a woman told you need to go
make some more money because you're broke.

Speaker 20 (02:08:32):
Did you go and make more money? You're not a leader,
she led you?

Speaker 1 (02:08:41):
Damn Why b.

Speaker 45 (02:08:45):
To be honest that she actually made that man a
better person because he wouldn't have did it unless she
said it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:53):
I feel like women are the driver is a lot
of shity. What do you think the fact they run
a lot of shit?

Speaker 45 (02:09:00):
They really do stack I've seen it all day. You
see men talking about women need to be my help maid? Right,
they want fifty They say they want a traditional situation,
but they going fifty to fifty telling women that they
got to do this take care of the household too,
while she's working as well. But technically if you split

(02:09:20):
the duties, well, because you're just working and she's taking
care of the kids and working. Realistically, are you leading
the house or is she because she's actually putting in
more effort than you.

Speaker 46 (02:09:33):
But what traditional household are we talking about? Because if
we're talking about black traditional households, women have always worked
in the black home y'all be like mixing this. I
hate this shit too, y'all be mixing this, this white
talking point with the way that these white people ran
this shit with the way that black people were And
I just don't like. I don't think fifty to fifty

(02:09:58):
is the ass. And I heard, I know, y'all heard
me say what I think is the answer before. But
my point is, I'm oh, some real ship. I'm not
asking nobody for ship, but I also don't want nobody
just sitting in my fucking house just being them, just
just sitting there like, nah, we got ship to dude.

Speaker 4 (02:10:25):
A lot of niggas are still in their primitive ways,
so a lot of fellows will try to dominate another
man for the approval of a woman.

Speaker 8 (02:10:52):
Motherfuckers. Man, a kind of crazy ship. I'm about to
light up, light up, god, man, the motherfuckers crying and
ship woe is me? Tight ship, unbelievable man and young,

(02:11:14):
too young than the motherfucker. Hmmm that ship. The future
is the mother, but the future is is fucked. This
what a fucking job. Let to stick to it to this. Yeah,

(02:11:39):
I think it's these mother fucking pills.

Speaker 1 (02:11:42):
You think it's you think it's the Albert. You think
it's the crazy.

Speaker 8 (02:11:46):
I think sprinkling finding all the weed from what I heard,
I mean, I don't know, but people have been telling
me they sprinkle fitting all the whek.

Speaker 14 (02:11:55):
But what do you mean?

Speaker 45 (02:11:57):
But Albert, I gotta as Albert I got. I got
ten thousand dollars in my bank account and I drove
an s RT.

Speaker 22 (02:12:03):
I'm doing well, okay.

Speaker 45 (02:12:07):
Killing it. I'm killing the game out here. Albert ain't.
Because I'm killing it. You can't say. You can't say, uh,
leadership or none of that. Ship that's too that's too deep.

Speaker 2 (02:12:23):
You know.

Speaker 8 (02:12:23):
That's as long as she cooked me at stake. That's
what leadership means. It don't mean nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:12:29):
No Wherebert lead.

Speaker 8 (02:12:32):
In stocks, leading health and nutritions. You can't do that.

Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
But God, I got a question for you, man. Are
black men giving room to girl with just ultimatums?

Speaker 38 (02:12:44):
My brother?

Speaker 8 (02:12:48):
I think black men to give them a lot of ultimatums.
I think they're giving a whole lot of ultimatums. They're
not giving room to develop. It's a lot of pressure
on black men also to stack.

Speaker 45 (02:13:04):
They're forced to eat medium or medium, not even medium.

Speaker 20 (02:13:07):
It's well done.

Speaker 1 (02:13:08):
Stak black rubber.

Speaker 20 (02:13:13):
That's the that's the part. Even well done steak like stack.

Speaker 45 (02:13:17):
Imagine you go into a restaurant and somebody feeds you
a well done steak, like I would be highly.

Speaker 1 (02:13:22):
Yeah, I'll be offended. Like there it's like that.

Speaker 20 (02:13:26):
Exactly, like this is crazy. I'll be upset.

Speaker 8 (02:13:30):
So I get it, So you need let me.

Speaker 1 (02:13:38):
Let me just clarify something from my sisters said that
black men giving a room to grow or just ultimatum.
So the room to grow means maybe they're not taught
everything Senora from childhood or the men around them in
their life, and maybe they learned things later on, like
growing and how to be a man and how to

(02:13:59):
treat women, how to open the door right shit like that.
That's what I was talking about. Are black men giving
room to grow if they, you know, haven't really been
taught things early on in their life and or are
they giving ultimatums? Albert said, they've given ultimatums. What do
you think.

Speaker 20 (02:14:17):
Do you think we should?

Speaker 15 (02:14:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 20 (02:14:19):
I think before I thought.

Speaker 45 (02:14:22):
It was cool, like you know, how how funny like
let's shame, But like realistically, I think like when you
see people in certain situations and you realize that they
need to grow. I think they should be given more grace,
especially if they're not.

Speaker 1 (02:14:36):
That's no, That's what I'm saying. WHYB, Because it's like
certain like your was your partner perfect when you met them?
Or did you you know what I mean?

Speaker 20 (02:14:43):
Or did you?

Speaker 48 (02:14:44):
So I'm going to answer real quick stuff and then
I'm going to go back on mute. I think they
got I think they have room to grow. I don't
think they're given ultimatums. But you know, once you give
them an inch, they take ten miles. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (02:14:59):
W When black men get an inch, they take them out.
I feel like that's for everyone on Diele. You think
Diego and think everyone.

Speaker 16 (02:15:09):
Now you give him a meat board, they take all.

Speaker 1 (02:15:11):
They sure will, right, they sure will?

Speaker 2 (02:15:16):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (02:15:17):
What else do you guys think are black men giving
room to grow?

Speaker 3 (02:15:19):
Well?

Speaker 1 (02:15:19):
Just ultimatums? The Albert thank you for answering that. Who
else wants to come at hd L three mahdi for
Sean Cola y B? Who else want to chime in
real quick to this topic? Our black men giving room
to grow, but we're just thrown ultimatums and other routes
and ship. Let's talk about it. Floors open.

Speaker 46 (02:15:42):
When I talk to these young cash I don't know
how many and y'all talk to these young brothers. I
can talk to these young cheers. I was talking to
yesterday as she said that she didn't want to talk
to this young brother because he didn't have it all yet.

Speaker 3 (02:16:01):
And I'm like you, twenty.

Speaker 46 (02:16:03):
Two men, statistically, black, white, yellow, green don't hit a
financial peak until they're like Swarty. But you're twenty two
and you're saying like, basically, I think when we're talking
about the young people, or not even just the young people,

(02:16:25):
but like the.

Speaker 3 (02:16:25):
People, I think people don't date people of.

Speaker 46 (02:16:30):
Their age a lot of times anymore because the people
of their age aren't where they think that they should be,
and so they I don't think black men or women
are given time to grow. But at the same time,
I don't think a lot of these people want to grow.

(02:16:51):
I think that they're comfortable with temporary happiness, which goes
back to what I was, you know.

Speaker 32 (02:16:58):
Saying, yeah, but is it really about getting the opportunity
to grow or is it about seizing.

Speaker 20 (02:17:08):
The opportunity right?

Speaker 32 (02:17:10):
And no one teaching you is not an excuse right,
it's your job to get out there and learn and
figure it out. And if you don't know, then it's
kind it's kind of the breaks. Just like a young
lady if there's no one there to teach her about
her sexuality and she gets pregnant, young guess what that's

(02:17:32):
her fault And no one is gonna say, oh, well,
she didn't know, right, because it's the expectation that you're
a young lady, you're supposed to know about your body.

Speaker 33 (02:17:41):
So then why are we coddling these men?

Speaker 15 (02:17:53):
Go to the topic, right, are black men giving room
to grow or just aultimatums? Is this boss's or just buy.

Speaker 2 (02:18:01):
You know that.

Speaker 1 (02:18:03):
Any any anywhere in your lens.

Speaker 15 (02:18:05):
Let's go all right, well, I'll say, like in my
lens in the Dayton market of like you know, the
modern times, I'll say, like ultimatums. You know, it's like
a lot of times when those black men is by ourselves, Yeah,
we'll have room to grow, you understand.

Speaker 12 (02:18:24):
So like.

Speaker 15 (02:18:26):
Hey, in some of these modern women who was like
very delusional, it's not room to grows. Ultimatums. He's either
you got to have this and if you don't, they're
just gonna go to the next bidder. It's women are
yas eBay pronounced backwards.

Speaker 28 (02:18:42):
I land, yeah, so how do we coddle anybody?

Speaker 3 (02:18:48):
What are you talking about? Wall? He said, somebody got
cad No.

Speaker 40 (02:18:56):
No, no, no, I'm speaking about the woman before because she
was saying that the black man is coddled. I'm trying
to see.

Speaker 5 (02:19:08):
Because no, no, it wasn't ignored.

Speaker 32 (02:19:13):
The lady in the comment in the comment said it
was fair, and then she addressed it. Now you just
jumped in.

Speaker 19 (02:19:19):
It's okay.

Speaker 32 (02:19:20):
I never said black men is specifically are coddled. But
if you listen to what they were talking about, you
look at the title, right, and they were saying that, oh, well,
what if you don't know, or oh maybe you need time,
and that's just not how life is.

Speaker 33 (02:19:35):
You don't have time. Like the guy was saying, well,
you don't know.

Speaker 32 (02:19:38):
You know, you're not going to have the finances as
a twenty two year old man, but you know what
you're gonna have.

Speaker 33 (02:19:43):
You're gonna have the projection of.

Speaker 32 (02:19:45):
What the actions that you do as a twenty two
year old man, what your life's gonna look like as
a forty two year old man. Those things happen. But
if you're twenty two and you don't have any clue
of what you're doing with your life, then sure you
might end up a forty two year old man lost.

Speaker 15 (02:20:09):
I'm just gonna say what I'll be seeing out here
in New York sometimes, well many times that you know
might have taken to consideration. Well, when I be seeing
like some of these uber eat riders and everything, the
only people that I'll be seeing will be having like
their girlfriend with them on the bike, you know, doing

(02:20:31):
the Uber Eats or the door Dash or the grub Hub.
It's be like these Latin and Spanish guys, they be
having the girls with them while they work, and some
of them even have their girl and the kids on
them with them, you know, working with them while they
you know, building and all that stuff. But I've never
seen like a black dude had like his woman or
his girlfriend with them. So I'm just gonna leave it

(02:20:53):
right there.

Speaker 49 (02:20:53):
Let that marinate, because more than likely she's out work,
or more than like she tending to the other kids
that they got.

Speaker 16 (02:21:05):
No, more likely she's at work. Black women be at work.

Speaker 8 (02:21:11):
That was the first one.

Speaker 16 (02:21:12):
I don't know what I'll be thinking every day.

Speaker 32 (02:21:14):
But they be at work because they can't get me
in to bury him and make them stay at home.

Speaker 16 (02:21:18):
All that's a fact, Nacho.

Speaker 47 (02:21:21):
Yeah, I'm just answer a questions.

Speaker 8 (02:21:22):
That's where they at.

Speaker 47 (02:21:23):
They can't be riding around the words because they have
to go to work because they bout out fifty for.

Speaker 25 (02:21:28):
Some of the bills that they got to kick.

Speaker 33 (02:21:29):
They can't be you know, pulling shotgun coler.

Speaker 27 (02:21:35):
No, I was just saying, or they got another hustle,
like another side of hustle that they're doing while he's
doing that, you know.

Speaker 49 (02:21:41):
So it's it's my black woman.

Speaker 1 (02:21:47):
A trying to come in. Oh ship.

Speaker 2 (02:21:49):
No, No, not my bad bro.

Speaker 1 (02:21:51):
No, you're good bro.

Speaker 16 (02:21:52):
Who's coming in next A?

Speaker 9 (02:21:55):
So we're gonna get you.

Speaker 31 (02:21:59):
Not gonna Hey man, listen, man, I'm just vibing.

Speaker 2 (02:22:04):
Shout out the stack, Shout out to.

Speaker 31 (02:22:06):
The gender wars man. We appreciate the conversation. I'm just
vibing in vibing.

Speaker 1 (02:22:11):
Man, vibe to this topic. A black man giving room
to grow or just ultimatums.

Speaker 3 (02:22:16):
Let's talk man, man. Black men have no room to
grow in America.

Speaker 31 (02:22:22):
Let's let's let's shut it out. We're giving ultimatums. You
gotta get straight to the bag. You gotta go to college.
You gotta make a decision. Man, But room to really
grow and really focus on yourself and and and really
focused on self development. Come on, man, were too busy

(02:22:42):
playing catch up to do that?

Speaker 1 (02:22:45):
Or two K, that's a fact.

Speaker 3 (02:22:51):
Building community niggas love Madden.

Speaker 1 (02:22:55):
Now you're right, you're right, You're raised. Like Diego said,
I need you other build in real life. You know
what I'm saying, Like, let's let's let's but okay, so
I got another question. I keep this ac how what's
what's what's the time limit for the growth? Like okay,
people do give you this time and to growth? What's
the time limit? Like all right? Times ticking down? Eighteen

(02:23:20):
eighteen eighteen, let's talk about it. Go ahead and get
into it.

Speaker 3 (02:23:22):
Bro.

Speaker 31 (02:23:23):
I don't think I don't think it's a true time limit,
you know, because you can be successful at any moment.
But I think when a man starts pushing his late
twenties early thirties, may he has to at least be
working on some type of plan. If he hasn't executed
that plan by that time, already, it should be in
the works.

Speaker 1 (02:23:42):
Within the next five years.

Speaker 45 (02:23:46):
Yeah, but ac you don't think that men should have
already started doing that out the womb, like a lot
of people always say, like get it out the mud,
but like a lot of women want, you already have
already started this since the womb.

Speaker 1 (02:24:00):
Right, So at the age of three, by.

Speaker 45 (02:24:03):
The time that kids starts like, you know, like by
one two walk in everything like that starts talking, they
should have already had their planning place.

Speaker 8 (02:24:12):
You don't think that's the.

Speaker 31 (02:24:14):
Fact that that comes that comes with parent parenting. I
agree with you, YB, but I'm talking about us as
a whole, you know, as a whole man. We know
we're now starting at one two years old. We should
be right, I agree with you, we should be, but
we're not.

Speaker 14 (02:24:36):
Man at two years old, man, I'm raising my son
to be a human being. Don't let y be relaxed, troll,
catch all up? And what you talking about for Shan
you you relaxed.

Speaker 32 (02:24:53):
He was saying that it's that your mom should have
already been planning.

Speaker 5 (02:24:58):
Your life for your dad should have already.

Speaker 32 (02:25:01):
Been putting components in the place. And what what doctor
Albert was saying earlier was if you came into the
world and you didn't have that kind of support system,
then you need to be humble off that so that
you can collect mentors, so that you like Red was saying,
she said that they went and knocked on people's doors,
rich people's doors, just to ask them what they did

(02:25:22):
for a living. Imagine imagine how humble that is, right,
just to learn something. So how how can you come
into the world with no support system? Your mama didn't
have a plan for you, your daddy didn't even want you,
and you got the audacity to be talking crazy to
people instead of trying to get in where you fit
in and collect little nuggets and build up what you can.

Speaker 33 (02:25:45):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:25:47):
You know what's crazy?

Speaker 3 (02:25:49):
Obama?

Speaker 8 (02:25:50):
Obama? Obama.

Speaker 45 (02:25:55):
Yeah, but Nacho Obama didn't even have his dad around
and he became the president of the United States.

Speaker 20 (02:26:00):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (02:26:01):
So he had a white mother, he had a white mother.
That's better than.

Speaker 2 (02:26:06):
He had.

Speaker 20 (02:26:09):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (02:26:13):
And he's.

Speaker 3 (02:26:16):
And he's related to George W.

Speaker 8 (02:26:18):
Bush.

Speaker 2 (02:26:19):
You know what, Listen, my white mother is better than
two black.

Speaker 20 (02:26:26):
Who watched.

Speaker 32 (02:26:28):
And that's Chauncey billups right, you can look him up.
Me and Chauncey Phillips is from the same neighborhood. We
went to the same high school.

Speaker 33 (02:26:37):
You know what I'm saying. All my cousins knew him.
Everybody had chance, a chance to come up with Chauncey.
Every day he was out there shooting hoops.

Speaker 34 (02:26:45):
Every day.

Speaker 33 (02:26:46):
The blood was out there having a meeting on one
side of the rec center, he was shooting hoops on
the other side.

Speaker 9 (02:26:53):
He got so much respect that food called his way
to the top.

Speaker 33 (02:26:57):
Why can't y'all.

Speaker 5 (02:27:01):
Mm hm, not so talking that ship.

Speaker 20 (02:27:07):
Bullshit.

Speaker 33 (02:27:08):
I got another one for you, Nike Atkins. I'll post
it for you.

Speaker 32 (02:27:12):
He's all over seeing it. Another cat from my neighborhood.
You know what I'm saying. He was the janitor at
the elementary school. The janitor worked his way up to
the principal. A straight black man. I know his mom,
I know his brothers. He didn't have no daddy. All
them kids got this got different daddies. Come on, now,

(02:27:34):
work his way up. I'm gonna post this little thing
in the chat.

Speaker 20 (02:27:37):
What's your excuse.

Speaker 15 (02:27:40):
The type of black woman that's around us?

Speaker 1 (02:27:44):
Mhm, yeah, that's a big.

Speaker 33 (02:27:50):
Got it.

Speaker 45 (02:27:50):
Okay, Okay, I'm gonna be honest. Let's let's stop the
excuses though, for real, Let's be honest for once. Right,
At some point in your life, you have to realize,
if you're not where you want to be, you gotta
change something within yourself. Too many times I hear on

(02:28:11):
this app from people is you're telling other people to
change for you, and there are no eye statements.

Speaker 1 (02:28:23):
What's the issue.

Speaker 45 (02:28:25):
At some point you have to realize it's not them,
it's you.

Speaker 8 (02:28:28):
I've had too many talks.

Speaker 45 (02:28:30):
I've had too many conversations about relationships between black men
and black women, to a point where I've literally told
people go in, date out, not because it's better out there,
it's because you'll eventually realize that the problem isn't them,
it's actually you, which is the reason why you haven't

(02:28:52):
been able to listen.

Speaker 1 (02:28:53):
The only thing I gotta change it bout means my
skin color.

Speaker 37 (02:28:56):
I think I probably be a lot better than left
if my skin color is different.

Speaker 45 (02:29:01):
Yeah, that's wild, that's kind of that's an ignorant statement,
to be honest, that's an ignorant statement.

Speaker 1 (02:29:08):
That's crazy.

Speaker 8 (02:29:11):
Like what you got people?

Speaker 20 (02:29:13):
Hold on, wait, wait, hold on one second, one second?

Speaker 1 (02:29:15):
HD fuck twelve.

Speaker 45 (02:29:17):
Please please elaborate on your statement as to why you
would be doing a lot better out there if you weren't.

Speaker 1 (02:29:26):
One of the blacksh.

Speaker 37 (02:29:31):
Hold on, I'm walking my dog in this neighborhood, but
now I was just trolling out if you really took
that time, No, I didn't.

Speaker 15 (02:29:42):
But you know, you got black people who hate being black.
You know, that's why they bleaching their skin and everything
using cakes. So that's going on heavy, like in the
Caribbean and in Africa and a lot of African countries.
You know, you go to Nigeria, you'd be seeing like
you know, some of the people there. Your face is light,
but the hens and neck is dark and all that stuff.

(02:30:05):
You know, some people just feel like they may be
better than somebody else. You know, it's just it's just crazy.

Speaker 32 (02:30:11):
It is the.

Speaker 8 (02:30:11):
Brainwashing and all of that stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:30:13):
You know, just gotta change.

Speaker 8 (02:30:20):
I have a question I maybe one of you please
answer me into it.

Speaker 1 (02:30:28):
No one.

Speaker 3 (02:30:32):
Ask your questions. Are you like, like you have a
soci don't.

Speaker 33 (02:30:46):
Yeah, but I put it in the chat for you.
Chauncey Billups Hall of Famer Mikey Atkins straight from our neighborhood.

Speaker 32 (02:30:55):
It's a few others I can name. Nicholas Dakins grew
up with him. He became the principal Manuel High School.
Jason Pute grew up with him. He's a big time
architect in Chicago. For Gensler, like, what are we doing
over here, y'all? And we're from Denver, right, a place
that doesn't even have a big black community, let alone

(02:31:18):
a giant black professional community like Texas or Atlanta where
they're pushing stuff like the Divine Nine.

Speaker 33 (02:31:25):
We don't have any of that here. The first time
I was ever.

Speaker 32 (02:31:28):
Even around that many positive professional black folk, I had
to go down to Georgia.

Speaker 33 (02:31:33):
I was at a Moorhouse homecoming. That's the first time
I ever saw that. And the black people who I
was around, they were extremely forward, movement moving. And one
of the gentlemen, who was a mentor in particular, he
said it, he said, as black men, these are his words.
He said, we have to run faster, we have to

(02:31:54):
jump higher, we have to go farther than any of
the white boys ever even thought of, just to get
the recognition. But that doesn't mean it's impossible.

Speaker 1 (02:32:05):
Yeah, it shout out to morehouse man, shout out to
my hospool man.

Speaker 8 (02:32:08):
You usually do that, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 33 (02:32:15):
So when I grew up in Denver, it was you
can look it up, ninety four ninety three.

Speaker 9 (02:32:20):
They called it the summer of violence.

Speaker 33 (02:32:23):
Like the gangs were really prominent here like that.

Speaker 20 (02:32:26):
Those were your options.

Speaker 33 (02:32:28):
Join the crips, join the bloods, slang some dope. You know,
we'll get fucked on a hood, you know.

Speaker 32 (02:32:36):
So for me to grow up and be college bound
and end up with a master's degree coming from a
single mom, you know.

Speaker 33 (02:32:42):
As the only biracial child in my single.

Speaker 9 (02:32:44):
Mom, I'm just this is this is a joke to me.

Speaker 1 (02:32:51):
Let's continue this conversation. If you guys know, anybody that
want to come in here and talk about this, ping
the room. You see the arrow at the bottom, use
that in ping your whole list out. We're in gender
wars right now. We've been in gender wars all but
gender wars. I'm an albus room from not an albage room.
I'm in IRL, yo. Just catch me around the hallway, right,

(02:33:12):
So let's let's share this shit up. Let's continue to
talk about this. Who else wants to chime in? Thank
you for coming up. Blue Magic Madam HD three twelve
cola black think Tink just came back. Let's talk about this.
Welcome back, Ice, Rosie. I'm not your ac Diego life.
Let's I think I think black men are giving automatoms.

(02:33:33):
What do you guys think? Let's talk about this. Let's
continue the conversation. Man, we're talking about gender all.

Speaker 37 (02:33:38):
I just will say, as I said before, I've been
saying this, that we just had to have grace for
each other as a people, man and women. We've just
been through a lot, and without grace, ain't nobody gonna
have the patience to deal with each other. Like, we
all got shit, we going through shit, we've been through,

(02:33:59):
we all got walls to literally break down. And you know,
if you don't find somebody that's going to take the
time to want to understand you, and you don't make
that easy for them, you're never going to be with anybody.
And I think that just applies to everything, like, especially
as black men and women, Like we have so much baggage.

(02:34:21):
If we're going to sit here and act like you know,
you got to have it all figured out in the
world that is constantly looking to tear you down and
poke holes in your confidence and you know it ain't
going to work.

Speaker 1 (02:34:35):
And that's why I just don't operate in that.

Speaker 37 (02:34:38):
Idea of you know, you got to have everything figured
out in order to be with me, Like you know,
now we're going to figure it out together and hopefully
one day you'll realize that's why I deserve to be
with you and to be a part of your success
in your life.

Speaker 38 (02:34:56):
So that's just my perspective. He said something he Nacho
that I like.

Speaker 1 (02:35:15):
It's like growing together, right, So sometimes you do gotta
meet people where they at. Not everybody's gonna be perfect.
That the person you was you wouldn't married to me
was perfect, not your not everybody. Albert was the person
you was with perfect when you met them. Bro, you
gotta walk through people. You gotta walk through ship.

Speaker 8 (02:35:30):
Talk to me, O, g you almost big up what
you just said. Yeah, neither one of us is perfect, man,
so we had we had to deal with it from
the ground up. But nothing about the material I know that.

Speaker 1 (02:35:45):
Did he give you room to grow Albert a little
bit when you got with.

Speaker 8 (02:35:48):
Her, Yes, she did, man. She really didn't leave me
many options except give him my last name. She ain't
give me no options. You know, she put me in
a position to to go from her and with it,
you know, gave each other a lot of room.

Speaker 1 (02:36:07):
So I have another question for the floor, Albert. Do
you do you feel like both parties should give each
other a room to grow? Or it should? You should
ultimatums be included inside the relationship floor? Open, let's go.
Thank you for coming up, April. Let's continue this conversation.
Who wants to jump in? Man?

Speaker 8 (02:36:24):
What is growth that?

Speaker 14 (02:36:26):
Because that's so ambiguous, just like the broadest thing you
can say. Like everybody, every set of ears in this
room got their own private interpretation of growth.

Speaker 1 (02:36:37):
I think it in general, like in life, like like
you know how some people will I right. I was
talking about this because Senora needed it too. It's like
a clarification for Seawn. It's like, all right, man, what
if what if your partner it's not perfect? Bro, don't
got it all the way there? Don't got you know
some of the things that you require to be with
that person. Are you going to give them room to

(02:36:58):
grow or you're gonna slap them with ultimatum?

Speaker 14 (02:37:02):
Require this requirement? Then it's a it's a no. Requirements
are standards? Those are non negotiables. If it's your standard,
then you can't wait for somebody to catch up to
your standard. It's not a standard, then that's a preference.

Speaker 8 (02:37:20):
That's not what the contact man.

Speaker 14 (02:37:24):
I'm just I'm using the words brother said, grow and
then he said a requirement. I'm not. I'm not. I'm
not waiting for somebody to catch up to my requirement.
And anybody doing that is bananas. That's not that's not
good progress at all. That's that's like the jobs don't
do that, schools don't do that. There's nowhere with requirements

(02:37:45):
that's allowing you to come there while you figure out
and try to catch up to what they require.

Speaker 37 (02:37:50):
That's not true, bro, that's why they got trainings that
you got paid trainings.

Speaker 14 (02:37:53):
Yeah, so it's not a require. So it's not a requirement.
That's a part of the process. Now, if that's a
part of your process, then then they would prefer you
to have it. But if you if you would allow
them the time to do it, then that's different. That
that that that that learning is a part of the
system they're willing to teach you. And that's his question.
I'm saying, it's not a requirement, because if it was

(02:38:15):
an acquirement, I wouldn't they wouldn't be in the space
to teach it to you.

Speaker 8 (02:38:22):
Yeah, all I know is I'm having a time in
my life.

Speaker 14 (02:38:25):
But we ain't talking. We ain't talking about you, though, brother,
like he asked.

Speaker 8 (02:38:30):
But what I'm saying is, it's not just about me. See,
this is what's thanks to me. We get in the fishball,
and we think that because we just shark in the
gold fishball, that the ball revolves around us. There are
plenty of people plenty that are getting along just found
without all this hordwashs.

Speaker 14 (02:38:52):
This question, we're not talking about it.

Speaker 8 (02:38:55):
Does think think about what he meant by the question?
You think about what he meant by the question. A
lot of people put themselves in ultimatoes because they make
expectations of a person instead of will, instead of dealing
with a person as a person. It's always these preconceived
notions and then you bring that over and dump that
shit on other people. Laughs though dog, yeah, perfect, nobody's

(02:39:20):
coming perfect.

Speaker 14 (02:39:21):
This ain't about person because on the flip side of
all these relationships suck because people got given everybody wiggle
room to do whatever, and then and then we got
people coming on the app and on the internet and
complaining and crying and people crashing out, burning each other,
house down, hitting each other. Like, we gotta have some
type of something to something measurable to work off of.

(02:39:42):
Otherwise it's gonna keep being ambiguous and relationships is gonna
keep feeling eighty percent of the time.

Speaker 8 (02:39:48):
Hey, for Sean, we close. We're not too far plus
you you I mean Detroit is like my second home.
We can we could wait. Just stink thenner Man, I'm
being real serious. That's get off the air for two weeks. Man,
Let's hang out in each other city. Let's see what
we see. We both observe people. Let's go check it out.

(02:40:09):
You got a couple of rooftop spots, got a couple
of other spots. Let's see how much people not getting.

Speaker 14 (02:40:13):
Along, people are trying to get out with it.

Speaker 8 (02:40:18):
You're down with it.

Speaker 14 (02:40:19):
I love Chicrgo. I'm always there. Listen. People trying to
get along. But we put people also not doing good.
People are stressed out, people are unhappy. They complaining because
they're not decent people to begin with, and they finding
somebody that's willing to deal with They bs give them
wiggle room to grow, and they're not growing because they
ain't grown by theyself. And they get with each other.

(02:40:41):
They stress each other out as long as they can
tolerate it, and then they end up doing something that
goes against the creed that they tried to make. It's
just hurt people hurting each other in together.

Speaker 8 (02:40:51):
So let me ask you something for son, how many
how many of these hor other people have you met
or do you meet on the day to day basis.

Speaker 14 (02:40:59):
I think, I think every day, I think quite a few.

Speaker 8 (02:41:03):
I think, I think.

Speaker 3 (02:41:04):
I think.

Speaker 14 (02:41:04):
I think the average person is doing their best or
what they think is their best. But most people not
busting their ass to be better people. They just not
because if they was, the result of the world would
be better. We would see it across the board. We
would see healthy communities. We would see children raised in

(02:41:24):
healthy environments. We would see better youth. We would see
we would see communities thriving together. People go to man.
People want to go to work, doctor Albert. People want
to go to work, have money and have sex.

Speaker 19 (02:41:36):
Man.

Speaker 14 (02:41:36):
They want somebody, They want somebody approved to approve them
without them having to be better. Men don't want to
have to bust, they butt. They want to be able
to make a little bit of money and and and
and get just enough stuff to get some cat. Women
want to be pretty enough for a dude to come
along and do something nice for them so they can
have They can be less like that, so they don't

(02:41:57):
have to do so much. People not out here us
than they but for important purposes. You can't tell them
nothing because they feel attacked. And are you judging me?
People just want to get their check man, doctor, You
don't want to get their check man.

Speaker 1 (02:42:13):
That's all.

Speaker 8 (02:42:14):
So it's just a few of us. We were lucky
enough to be sitting on top of the hill and
figured it out so we could point down everybody else.

Speaker 14 (02:42:23):
No, it ain't about pointing down everybody else. We most,
it's most definitely a few that have been done the
work and they deserve what they get.

Speaker 8 (02:42:31):
Yeah, that's interesting, that's interesting.

Speaker 14 (02:42:35):
But everybody gets. Everybody get what they deserve. I don't.
I don't think it's a single person out here in America.

Speaker 8 (02:42:41):
But I'm not gonna argue that. Yes, I agree with
that part.

Speaker 14 (02:42:46):
That's my that's my point. People, people will not have it.
If if if if if everything, if most people was
doing good and happy in the relationships we was, our
content that we consume would be all these beautiful results.
The statistics fantastic.

Speaker 8 (02:43:03):
Well is that based on what you see? What about
what you don't see?

Speaker 14 (02:43:07):
What we don't what we don't see is the law.

Speaker 8 (02:43:10):
You can't see. You can't see everything at all.

Speaker 14 (02:43:12):
All right, So I so I'll take I'll take it
like this, if if, if it was fantastic monogamy and
committed relationships and marriages would not be the rate that
they failed.

Speaker 8 (02:43:23):
Oh ship, that's that's non sequd How is it that.

Speaker 14 (02:43:29):
The divorce rate would not be what it is?

Speaker 3 (02:43:32):
So?

Speaker 8 (02:43:33):
Let so what does that got to do? What does
monogamy have to do with this?

Speaker 14 (02:43:38):
Because most relationships in American monogamous, right, and that's what
leads to the bride. No, I'm saying the way that
we do monogamy is uh is our problems. We don't
do well by ourselves, and then we try to get
with another person and they not doing well by theirself,
or let's say that they are, or let's say that
we are. The other person typically is not and one

(02:43:59):
person being he said, it's not good enough for a
group like.

Speaker 9 (02:44:03):
Two people doing good in.

Speaker 38 (02:44:07):
That?

Speaker 8 (02:44:08):
How does the how does the correct methodology of monogamy
look in your perspective?

Speaker 14 (02:44:15):
Oh, two healthy people coming together and you know, working
towards for the purpose of the family, the group which
is typically family. But if they don't want to have children,
the two of them, two healthy people live in and
so two people coming together healthy, Well, that ain't that's

(02:44:37):
we what I'm saying that, I'm just saying that's not
happening at fifty percent of the time, darn.

Speaker 1 (02:44:43):
Shore, not eighty.

Speaker 8 (02:44:46):
Well, you know, because relationships just don't happen. I mean,
that's what that's what makes them, that's what makes it
a special thing. I mean it kinding hard to understand
when everybody hooks up now, I mean dating at one
point used to be an invent man. That was something
you prepared for. Now you can wipe white twenty times,

(02:45:06):
so you kind of lose sight of the purpose of that,
of actually connecting and bonding with a person. That what
you're talking about. But if every time you turn around
you bombarded with ten ticks, ten dudes.

Speaker 14 (02:45:21):
But if you get two genuine people, that's dating that
once they're healthy and taking care of themselves on their
own standard, and they come and they and now they're
on the pursuit of relationship with another person. If they
want to combine lives, brother, they meet each other at
the grocery store, in the gym, on clubhouse, or heage.

(02:45:47):
Those two souls are going to be compatible and suitable
to where they produce an outcome that's favorable for them
and everybody around and benefit from. It's impossible to have
two healthy people coming together and the circumference in the
existence doesn't benefit.

Speaker 8 (02:46:04):
But those are obvious. I don't think anyone is just
speaking that stuff.

Speaker 14 (02:46:08):
But that's what I'm saying. We're not doing that, though, doctor, he.

Speaker 8 (02:46:12):
Gotta be so you got it to me, okay for
me or to give me some scope. You got to
quantify what the we is.

Speaker 14 (02:46:18):
The we we ain't the most of us. I don't
got the exact number, but it ain't it ain't nowhere.

Speaker 8 (02:46:24):
I ain't acting, I ain't asking exact number. I'm saying,
we got this ambiguous staying, but yet we can't quantify
or defy it. It's not making You're just making an assumption.

Speaker 14 (02:46:36):
Right, No, I'm making I'm making I'm making a proclamation
based on I'm making a presumption based on the data
that we have that's overwhelmingly that this is not the case.
The outcome of society is not there.

Speaker 8 (02:46:50):
We don't have it.

Speaker 14 (02:46:52):
It's nowhere, it's nowhere to it is nowhere near fifty percent.

Speaker 8 (02:46:56):
Okay, So with data again that that part is our profession,
right right, and you and you and you involved in
that those are control groups. They still don't represent the
big picture.

Speaker 14 (02:47:09):
Yeah, well that's all we got to go.

Speaker 3 (02:47:12):
Right.

Speaker 8 (02:47:12):
Hey, I won't discredit that, but it's still an assumption
at the end of the day. We just take it
for what it is. But we don't try to, you know,
h take a specific group or a marginalized group of
people and make a gross assumption about all of us.
But I have about a reference point.

Speaker 14 (02:47:32):
But we have to make a gross assumption about the
about the general And that's why I only speak to
the generals because obviously there's people doing fantastic in relationship.
But those those small group of people is not even
close to a large group. And that's what we got
to figure out, how to get more of us on
that side of the number.

Speaker 8 (02:47:51):
Well, see that this is this is the only only
pushback I would say to that bro is. In my observation,
I see a lot of pragmatic folks because now social
media is the number one means of communication, and it's
a lot of podcasters that come in and you every
time you go to their environments, there are a bunch

(02:48:11):
of hurt, damaged, distormtion on people that are isolated from
the actual world that actually need help fundamentally, not pragmatically.
It always it plays out like clockwork, every single time.
It's just one person has control of all information and resource,

(02:48:32):
and then that resource it's pseudo, it's not it's not consistent.
But when you tend to step out of the environments
and you have just a natural environment. Stuff like that,
people find a way to figure shit out. They go
through ups and downs, they go through their problems, they
do these kinds of things, but at some point they
figure it out.

Speaker 14 (02:48:54):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't.

Speaker 3 (02:48:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 14 (02:48:56):
It'd be nice if they did, doctor Albert, I don't.

Speaker 32 (02:48:58):
I don't.

Speaker 14 (02:48:59):
I don't see any history where like the modern history
that humans then we ain't figured it out. I think
that I think the figuring out what's done with the
baby boomers, I think I think j X that's that's
over with. Man, that's done.

Speaker 8 (02:49:16):
Well. Hey man, I might I might be tending to
agree because somebody that came from that, and I've lived
it's it's coming up close to my third generation and
I've witnessed with my own two eyes. I'm good over here. Yeah, yeah,
my tilta's good. And see this is what's killed them
with the thirties, my till the inn the thirties and

(02:49:36):
the thicke of this. The good. They're real good when
they come to socialization and socializing with the opposite sex
and all this other kind of ship. Excellent.

Speaker 14 (02:49:48):
Yeah, man, that ain't that ain't no, man, I don't.

Speaker 8 (02:49:51):
Hear none of the misery. I don't been around when
when I I used to take them to their advents
and chaperone them when I when and I would go
to some of the events. Well, now me and my son,
he takes me out. He took me off from my birthday,
all three of my son. None of their friends talk
to ship.

Speaker 3 (02:50:08):
That I hear.

Speaker 8 (02:50:11):
They're good, they socialize it, they're respectful, they look at
life in a great way. They don't they got girlfriends
and they cool. I'd have met their parents.

Speaker 14 (02:50:22):
The parents do you think that Do you think your
your son's friend group represent his generation?

Speaker 19 (02:50:29):
Uh?

Speaker 14 (02:50:31):
For the all, that's the amazing faith you got on humanity.
I don't see it. I know, I know some amazing
I know I see amazing people in the world. They
most definitely don't represent the majority of us. But hey,
I'd rather you be right than me.

Speaker 8 (02:50:51):
Hey man, I just don't. I don't see it man.
And and this is it's like even when we are
I've said this earlier and I'll say it again. Gender
Wars was to have fun, but cats be really taking
it to hard. So it's some other shit going on.

(02:51:12):
For Sean, it's some other ship going you know.

Speaker 14 (02:51:15):
I don't. I don't subscribe to gender Wars. It ain't
no gender wars. It's only it's only it's on the
war on family for me. But as far as like
thinking that most of these people in their thirties and
forties is decent and doing well, the world ain't operating
like that. Would everything things would be a lot different
and better if most most people is decent at piece,

(02:51:36):
having fun and happily in love.

Speaker 8 (02:51:38):
But see, that's highly subjective because a forty year old
don't have to have a lot of ship or go
buy a lot of constructs to not be happy and
be content, So that that is highly subjective, that that's
not well. You can't look at somebody saying, man, you're
not living right. Hey, man, you're not happy.

Speaker 14 (02:51:57):
We only talk about the state of relationship man and
woman talking about.

Speaker 8 (02:52:02):
A lot of people really mind their business and build
their relationship based on their terms. They don't really give
a fuck with nobody.

Speaker 14 (02:52:10):
Even but even when that space of their terms, people
creating their systems based on what they want, like even
if it's similar to tradition, but they alternate the way
they want to and they still not content.

Speaker 8 (02:52:23):
Yeah, you got to prove that. I mean, it's variable.

Speaker 12 (02:52:27):
Man.

Speaker 14 (02:52:27):
We so so on the flip side, you would have
to prove that they're not right.

Speaker 8 (02:52:31):
I'll accept that because I can tell you how when
you when the industry, the industry of dating relationships and
all that ship is multi billion, people are still doing
this ship. People are still going use people still doing ship.

Speaker 14 (02:52:49):
If we're gonna use that measurement, doctor Albert, it just
shows how bad it's feeling. Because people are always looking
for new relationships. Why because the ones that they produce
were keep failing. That's their business man, that's not no.
But it goes against what we're saying, doctor Abbat, people
are so happy together, then dating apps in the dating

(02:53:09):
business would be failing because they mean people don't.

Speaker 8 (02:53:14):
Have to commit to nobody if they don't want to.
But we're talking about people who want to, Well you determine,
show me how you know which people want to and
which people don't.

Speaker 14 (02:53:25):
I'm just talking about in the context in which we
talk about we talking about people in their relationships.

Speaker 8 (02:53:30):
Right, because do you know, do you know, like if
we took a poll in here or some of the
people in here, man, they just in here kicking the bullshit.
They're not sitting here being honest about none of this
ship because they don't take it serious.

Speaker 14 (02:53:45):
Anybody saying they want to be in a relationship, anybody
saying that they want to be in a relationship are
typically saying they want commitment. And if they saying they.

Speaker 8 (02:53:56):
Won't commitment, and I agree with you on that, so
don't want to.

Speaker 14 (02:54:02):
But what I'm saying is if they want commitment, but
they but they continuously in those commitments and start new ones.
That's that's how I'm saying they're obviously not it's not
working out.

Speaker 8 (02:54:14):
That that that is that if you if you know,
I don't think, I don't think that's don't mean you stop,
you try again.

Speaker 14 (02:54:23):
Yeah, but argument is is not people are not doing
good at it, that's why it's not working out.

Speaker 20 (02:54:30):
No, But like for Shan, I don't think it's the
dating apps.

Speaker 45 (02:54:32):
Like there's certain people out there that no matter how
many good situations they put themselves in, they don't feel
like that's them or they're good enough for it, so
they basically self sabotage and basically move on to the
next year.

Speaker 14 (02:54:51):
Why that's that's true. Sometimes Again, my point.

Speaker 20 (02:54:54):
I've seen, I've seen my point.

Speaker 14 (02:54:57):
Your your your statement sustains what I said. Whatever the
reason is is not working out because they're not doing
good at it.

Speaker 45 (02:55:05):
Yeah, that's my whole argument. No, because for me personally,
I used to date. When I was dating before I
got married, I used to literally get into a situation
where like if I found something wrong with that person
that just wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:55:19):
Like I just didn't like it.

Speaker 20 (02:55:21):
I didn't even discuss it with them.

Speaker 45 (02:55:22):
I just literally just kind of said, okay, cool, I
need something else, and I just kept self sabotaging the
relationship over and over again until I eventually figured out, like,
maybe it's not damn, it's actually me. And then I
figured that out and I'm like, Okay, no woman is perfect.
I'm not perfect. And then I found something, you know

(02:55:43):
what I mean? And I don't think a lot of
people actually know how to do that. They can't recognize that,
and that's the problem. And when people on the app
trying to help them to recognize that, they get upset
and they want to just talk shit. So now they're
stuck here after five years, still with nothing.

Speaker 8 (02:56:02):
I don't see how if you do this, this, and this,
your relationship is guaranteed to work. Nothing in life is guaranteed,
especially a relationship with a variable called the human being.
You could do everything right, that don't mean the relationship
gonna work. It's a thing called intangibles. You couldop all

(02:56:26):
your eyes, cost your teas, the ship just don't work
and you should and why not be comfortable with that?
I don't see how you strive for perfection through human behavior. Yeah,
that's that's that's that's it.

Speaker 14 (02:56:43):
Yeah, it should it should it should It shouldn't be
fifteen relationships in thirty six bodies though, Like that's not
how you look for commitment, Like you're doing something wrong,
Like we don't even do that would work? Can people
be hating their jobs?

Speaker 1 (02:56:59):
People?

Speaker 14 (02:57:00):
People be people be thirty five forty years old with
like four or five jobs in a lifetime total. But
on the flip side, they be having twenty boy like
fifteen ten to fifteen boyfriend girlfriends and thirty something one
hundred bodies. Like it's it's like no, you you we

(02:57:22):
we need to work towards limiting how much we how
often we fail. We need to work towards a pristine,
a pristine level of progress. Otherwise we just protection.

Speaker 8 (02:57:39):
Again you're saying pristine.

Speaker 14 (02:57:41):
That's nothing about it, the pristine progress, I'm saying really
not really good bo.

Speaker 50 (02:57:48):
Life is a variable, Yeah it is, but it ain't.
It ain't twenty people be stunted at any moment. Yeah,
but if you if you have nothing.

Speaker 8 (02:57:58):
That you do with human progress can be awarded you man.

Speaker 14 (02:58:02):
He here here's the here, here, here's the thing, doctor Albert.
People go to school and go learn how to do
everything but be but be a good person being and
be a good and be a good part in a relationship.

Speaker 8 (02:58:12):
We don't go to school to be a good person.

Speaker 14 (02:58:15):
Yeah, but but you can though, you can go learn
how to make a relationship.

Speaker 3 (02:58:21):
I mean.

Speaker 14 (02:58:23):
I'm saying. I'm saying. People think they about to grow
up in these crappy in these crappy households with these parents.
They about to go outside. They about to fumble through
life and then come across somebody with the little bare
minimum development they have and getting the relationship. And it's
about to be fantastic when they've done no self discovery,

(02:58:44):
no self developed self mastery, and they gonna get up
with another person and they gonna do the same thing,
and they just gonna figure it out. Let me if
they if they were figuring it out. If it was
they was figuring it out, Doctor Albert, they be then.

Speaker 8 (02:58:58):
Figured it out. I got people that my man Randy Brown,
he ended up playing for the Chicago Bulls, that Nigga
used to eat fry baloney off the heater and the
and the id B Wells projects. And then I got
another cat whose family was super wealthy, ended up being homeless,

(02:59:19):
and I seen him on the street begging for food.
Man Ship, I was fucking homeless at forty and forty three.
I was eating out of garbage can in forty three. Bro,
you think I planned that, You think I couldn't figure
it out?

Speaker 14 (02:59:33):
And I was in the relationship when you was homeless, doctor,
Absolutely not, because.

Speaker 2 (02:59:38):
Me too, I was.

Speaker 14 (02:59:41):
Was no relationship when I was homely.

Speaker 8 (02:59:44):
Relationships are not confined to intimacy, the relationship with your children,
the relationship with your job, the relationship with jo were.

Speaker 14 (02:59:53):
Talking about Romans though, were talking about Romany.

Speaker 8 (02:59:56):
So if we if we're talking about if we're talking
about Roman, they understand it's not gonna be perfect.

Speaker 14 (03:00:03):
It ain't about perfection. It's about limiting fail You said pristine,
I said pristine progress.

Speaker 8 (03:00:14):
You you how can progress be pustin? You're telling me
that you're not gonna have any challenges that may force
you to move laterally.

Speaker 14 (03:00:23):
The challenges and the failure in the fixing of the
failure is what makes it pristine. Progress fixing the bullshit
on the way.

Speaker 8 (03:00:32):
Man, this is wild. It's this wild.

Speaker 14 (03:00:35):
He look, hey, look, what you're saying is why people
keep what you're saying, doctor Albert, is why people keep
sucking up and not and not accepting accountability because they
feel like, oh, I'm trying.

Speaker 8 (03:00:48):
So what I'm saying is the reason why other people.

Speaker 14 (03:00:51):
I'm saying that's the philosophy that people are holding on to, like, Oh,
I'm just wee with me, I'm trying my best. That's
what these sister has been. These sisters and brothers been
cracking for twenty years and they like they still trying
to figure the same thing out. We don't accept this
nowhere else except.

Speaker 8 (03:01:10):
I wouldn't. I wouldn't do this. I'm not gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (03:01:14):
Doctor.

Speaker 8 (03:01:14):
That that that the majority of people in this room
are happy in the relationship.

Speaker 14 (03:01:20):
Hey, that's fantastic for them. But they don't.

Speaker 5 (03:01:22):
They don't represent that.

Speaker 14 (03:01:23):
They don't represent America. We don't. We don't do this
nowhere else.

Speaker 8 (03:01:28):
Doctor, We.

Speaker 14 (03:01:31):
Don't do nothing. We don't. We don't. We don't let
people stay in the one place forever except in religion,
in Christianity and role in relationships, you never have to evolve.
But in school you gotta evolve. College, you gotta evolve.
At work, you got to at least get somewhere that's
sustainable for the position you hold, and typically they expect
you to grow there. In sports, you gotta get better.

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We don't let nobody. We don't let people sit in
the same spot with no growth forever, nowhere except in romance.
And we don't need then. We don't even accept it
there because guess what we get left and cheated on
if we if we don't hold up our end of
the bargain in progress, that's.

Speaker 5 (03:02:09):
Crazy, Albert, what did I come back to?

Speaker 1 (03:02:14):
Man? When I come back, we talked.

Speaker 8 (03:02:16):
We're talking philosophy. Man, we're talking. Oh yeah, you don't
evolve in relationships. People are not evolving.

Speaker 1 (03:02:23):
Put that. I'm about to put that topic of Albert
real quick. You said what you said, who's not evolving?
People are not evolving in relationships?

Speaker 8 (03:02:31):
For me? See, well for.

Speaker 1 (03:02:34):
What you said, bro, you said they're not growing.

Speaker 8 (03:02:38):
I just I just say that people.

Speaker 14 (03:02:40):
I just said people are not growing in relationships.

Speaker 20 (03:02:42):
They should be.

Speaker 2 (03:02:43):
But I just want to speak as as a as
a perfect chocolate.

Speaker 1 (03:02:46):
Man.

Speaker 2 (03:02:50):
You know, I've never dealt with none of these stresses.
You know what I'm saying. Like I was cute in
the daycare and all of that. You did what I mean?
When I go through the drive through, I get free
fried as this ship. You know what I'm saying. Life
ain't that hard? You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 51 (03:03:05):
For sign now, I do agree with both of y'all,
which is kind of ironic because I want to disagree
with both of y'all two right.

Speaker 2 (03:03:13):
Because it's the clubhouse, you know what I'm saying. I want.
I want to tell y'all, niggas, you're wrong. Okay, but
but I get what you said.

Speaker 51 (03:03:22):
Albut like doctor albu like but but if Sean ain't wrong, man,
people strive for like even though the terminology we use
around money or or careers, I'm getting to the bag.
I'm grinding, I'm hustling. Right, All of this shit sounds
very hard, you dig what I mean? And niggas yeah,

(03:03:42):
and niggas yeah, and and and and nobody nobody ever
says right when I when I talk about because most
people that are happy in relationships don't talk about their relationships, right, That's.

Speaker 2 (03:03:52):
Probably why they're doing well.

Speaker 51 (03:03:53):
But the baseline of it is that a majority of
people don't say, yo, I'm competing to make my spouse happy.
I'm I'm hustling to keep my spouse happy, or even
I've and I've heard the will Smith you know ideology
is like, oh, you can't make anybody help, Well, if
you're fucking with me, you better try, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (03:04:13):
How about that? You did?

Speaker 2 (03:04:14):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 51 (03:04:14):
If you know I like strawberry jam, don't don't bring
me no great out this bitch.

Speaker 2 (03:04:19):
You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 51 (03:04:20):
So I think that paying attention to somebody that you
say you care for is very important and it tells
a lot about that person. I also think that trying
to convince people to give a fuck about you is
the reason why a lot of individuals fail at this
relationship and intimacy thing right, like they are using sex interchangeably.
And I've said this before, doctor Albert, A lot of

(03:04:41):
this shit is escapism. Most people aren't looking for forever.
They looking for a feeling. You understand what I'm saying,
And these feelings are very flighty.

Speaker 1 (03:04:49):
You know.

Speaker 51 (03:04:50):
If we want to be honest about relationships and genuine
and genuine about them, then we should literally start.

Speaker 2 (03:04:56):
A compromise, right and inconvenience.

Speaker 51 (03:05:00):
You're gonna be compromising and things are gonna be inconvenient
if you really care about somebody, because you're dealing with
another human being that ain't you.

Speaker 2 (03:05:09):
It's like, we.

Speaker 51 (03:05:10):
Can't even agree in rooms where I agree with people
and I like people and shit like that. We're just
human beings in here. We don't agree all the time.
So I highly doubt that the person that you're coinhapitating
with is agreeing. And y'all have any like. It just
don't work like that. It's not that's not realistic. But
I do think that, you know, to Forshan's point, people
don't really try to make their situation better with the

(03:05:31):
people that they with. They expect for motherfuckers to conform
to what makes them feel good. And the reality is
that that's that don't even work either. Have you ever
tried giving a woman everything she asks for? Like, have
you genuinely ever any man in here tried to give
a woman every single thing she asks for?

Speaker 3 (03:05:49):
I try. That's fucking suicide.

Speaker 51 (03:05:52):
That ship will fuck your life up, nigga, Like that
ain't even that's like, I don't even think women even
want that, Like they just they wing it and they
say for everything no woman can. But but I also,
but I also but but but I also ain't tolirating
none of that ship. You dig what I'm saying, Like,
and we got we have to agree that the women

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feel a lot of women have this ideology that they
are going to get everything they want because there's some
nigga willing to give it.

Speaker 2 (03:06:21):
It's not gonna be the nigga they want to give it,
but some nigga give it.

Speaker 14 (03:06:24):
And so they hold the niggas you want to the
standard of the niggas she.

Speaker 51 (03:06:28):
Don't want, well, they over they over they over evaluate,
like the worth of it, you know what I'm saying,
Like like it's really valuable to somebody who's chasing Coochie.

Speaker 2 (03:06:36):
All the time.

Speaker 8 (03:06:37):
So since there's a lot of women out there, just
go after the other one.

Speaker 2 (03:06:42):
No, no, no, no, that's not what I'm saying.

Speaker 51 (03:06:43):
But but so you know, my my basis is for
men to stop listening to what women want, bro, because
women be getting what they want and they don't even
want that.

Speaker 8 (03:06:54):
Respond to that.

Speaker 2 (03:06:55):
That's a crazy ass way to operate.

Speaker 14 (03:06:58):
No, you just mean you can give them what want,
you be able to say no to them.

Speaker 8 (03:07:02):
You just got to stop giving on what they want.

Speaker 2 (03:07:05):
No, you just gotta do so.

Speaker 51 (03:07:06):
So so let's so let's take a step back, right,
most people, if we if we get and I could
just take a poll in the room does anybody in
here want food? Do y'all want food daily? Is that
something that you want?

Speaker 8 (03:07:18):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (03:07:18):
Cool?

Speaker 51 (03:07:19):
All right, so cool providing food? Does anybody in here
want to live in a house or have a dwelling
that's cleaned and pristine?

Speaker 15 (03:07:26):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (03:07:26):
Both over the head? Does anybody anybody fuck with that? Okay?

Speaker 1 (03:07:29):
Cool?

Speaker 2 (03:07:30):
Most of the ship.

Speaker 51 (03:07:31):
So this is the point, right most of the ship,
that you're doing independently for yourself, whatever standard that is,
most people are gonna want that exact same thing. So
my my argument is that individuals are out here reaching
for something that they're not even willing to provide for themselves.
Right Like me, if if I have a house, then
I'm not gonna have an issue fulfilling that with a woman,

(03:07:53):
right like a woman likes niggas with houses. If I've
got a car, You do know what I'm saying. Like,
I'm just saying, like a lot of this ship, if
you're at a certain age and I don't know how
rough it is for other people, most of the ship
that you're just doing by yourself, it's gonna play into
a relationship.

Speaker 2 (03:08:07):
Am I wrong?

Speaker 3 (03:08:10):
No?

Speaker 51 (03:08:11):
Like you know, so the ask isn't even really Dodtor Albert,
have you ever asked these women what they want?

Speaker 37 (03:08:16):
Bro?

Speaker 51 (03:08:16):
Like they'll sit here and say a bunch of bullshit
and they baby Daddy, ain't none of that shit. The
nigga they allowed to wing it with and get a
whole baby by don't be none of that shit. Like
like you got all these higher standards, but you let
a bum nigga come inside your body.

Speaker 2 (03:08:31):
It's crazy. I don't even eat food at everybody house.

Speaker 8 (03:08:35):
Man, where are we going?

Speaker 1 (03:08:36):
Man?

Speaker 2 (03:08:37):
You're following me? You just from Chicago?

Speaker 1 (03:08:39):
It was.

Speaker 8 (03:08:42):
House.

Speaker 51 (03:08:44):
Know what I'm saying is that what people are like
asking for is very common practice for adults.

Speaker 2 (03:08:50):
Like a woman heard a hold on for sean a
woman saying that she got her own house on car.
You're forty two years old? Who else whose car you driving?
Your grandmother?

Speaker 8 (03:09:04):
I get off?

Speaker 2 (03:09:06):
Why with you have your own house and your own car.

Speaker 3 (03:09:10):
If the.

Speaker 8 (03:09:13):
If the woman asks for a car and the guy
gives her the car, that's the bit doctor albout.

Speaker 2 (03:09:19):
I'm not even saying I'm not gonna get it the car.
This is the thing. I'm gonna get her.

Speaker 51 (03:09:22):
A car, because how she gonna get over here to
this dick if I don't give it a car, Like,
how is she gonna.

Speaker 8 (03:09:27):
She got to ask you a certain way?

Speaker 2 (03:09:28):
No, I'm gonna just give no.

Speaker 1 (03:09:29):
No.

Speaker 51 (03:09:29):
If she throwing that I'm gonna get a car like
I'm a, I'm a you ain't up getting the car
any Yeah, I'm an ultimate trick. I'm a I'm a
married Manyea, I'm an ultimate trick like i'm a yeah yeah,
But I also I also expect a certain thing though,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, my thing
to be done a certain way?

Speaker 2 (03:09:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 51 (03:09:47):
I don't want no big black woman yelling at me
all the time, like these niggas be getting Yeah, like
a slim, get the slim.

Speaker 2 (03:09:56):
She don't get the car, you know, yeah, you know what?
Make it a truck? Fucking the economy.

Speaker 8 (03:10:03):
Tom.

Speaker 2 (03:10:05):
I posted him hers real quick.

Speaker 19 (03:10:07):
Though.

Speaker 14 (03:10:08):
The only, the only, the only baby Mama I've ever
dealt with with that man was that man was actually lit.
She she ain't even asked for nothing.

Speaker 8 (03:10:18):
Crazy.

Speaker 14 (03:10:19):
She was like third generation wealth. And I met her
on here man wonderful woman right had an ex husband,
he was a ball player. And she don't ask for nothing.
She she ain't got the she ain't got crazy man.
I mean because look man, because solid women don't be
having no crazy demands. They live in reality.

Speaker 8 (03:10:41):
Could you give me an example of her lifestyle?

Speaker 14 (03:10:45):
Her lifestyle, he could request it. She can most definitely
request it.

Speaker 8 (03:10:51):
So what's a crazy demand?

Speaker 4 (03:10:53):
Uh?

Speaker 14 (03:10:54):
You know like crazy crazy uh crazy expensive trips based
on top frame, y'all dealing with each other? Uh what
you call that name brand? Like luxury items? Uh, taking
like having her knees taken care of, like finances especially
like time frame I'm talking about like early on, like

(03:11:16):
these just weird things, but also just requiring you that.

Speaker 8 (03:11:20):
That's like you're talking about to check you day.

Speaker 14 (03:11:23):
Oh no, no, I said when my statement was he
she ain't got, No, she ain't got She don't request
nothing like other women be requested, like these sisters that
live in the hood. To raise point, baby Daddy's be
you know, the Nikkeol and dim nigga from around the way,
and she like she telling you that you got to
take her to takekeko and pay for her two thousand
dollars bundle and you know, do all these other things and.

Speaker 51 (03:11:46):
Go to forime I go father if he likes if
he likes food every day, that's too much, like like
to think you're about to be around me.

Speaker 2 (03:11:53):
Every time you're around me, you hungry.

Speaker 5 (03:11:55):
It's crazy.

Speaker 14 (03:11:55):
Every time you hear.

Speaker 51 (03:11:59):
Everything you see me now you now you got a
little tape worm and ship Like I don't like that, doctor,
I don't like that, Like if you like a baby,
I don't like.

Speaker 2 (03:12:11):
Needing to eat every time you see me as diabolical,
like you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't.

Speaker 5 (03:12:16):
You got a little.

Speaker 8 (03:12:20):
Down over that pitching off a crack.

Speaker 51 (03:12:26):
Yeah, man, and I and I honestly stat I feel
like niggas need to start sucking with like midgets and
ship because you're gonna deal with half the problems you're
dealing with the record.

Speaker 14 (03:12:37):
You're gonna have to pay for half the food.

Speaker 51 (03:12:39):
Yeah, bro, they got little baby stomachs and ship like that.
You gotta Now you do have to put a car
seat in your in your vehicle, but extra safety, you understand.

Speaker 1 (03:12:48):
I'm saying, Yeah, a.

Speaker 2 (03:12:50):
Little booster, a little booster, a little booster.

Speaker 51 (03:12:53):
But you know it's it's you know, it's it's it's
I just think that you know, a lot of niggas
ain't gonna be here man, doctor album. Most people ain't
gonna find the person and settle down with. Like, I
know you like to read books with your old ladies
like that.

Speaker 1 (03:13:08):
I agree with that, most read books.

Speaker 2 (03:13:14):
I know you do. Listen, I'm guessing and I know,
just tell me.

Speaker 8 (03:13:17):
I'm like, I'm gonna get the motherfucker that like me.
I'm not gonna be sitting around the complaining.

Speaker 2 (03:13:22):
Know you know you never have.

Speaker 51 (03:13:23):
But but what I'm saying is that people people niggas,
will go out and want a freak, right, but they'll
pick that. They'll they'll pick their wife out at a church,
you know what I'm saying, and like and act like
Shorty did. Just started cracking it open at thirty second.
That's the best place to get a freak though you
know it ain't. No, it ain't, because it's the thing, right,
you know, you're turned up. No, no, no, you'll turn up.

(03:13:44):
But the thing is, you're gonna get a disobedient woman.
Like most of the disobedient women come from church because
they've already they've already submitted to the pastor and to
God them two niggas ahead of you.

Speaker 2 (03:13:53):
Okay, yeah, but they.

Speaker 14 (03:13:54):
Can't afford better than that. That's a good deal. Taking
like that down.

Speaker 2 (03:13:59):
Nah, I don't. I don't like those those chicks be
weird as hell.

Speaker 8 (03:14:02):
I think some niggas would just do better. Man, just
pay for your on.

Speaker 2 (03:14:07):
God, I don't know what the going that's not doubt,
but I don't know what the going rate is.

Speaker 51 (03:14:13):
I asked on Clubhouse because chicks was talking about niggas
had to take care of their bills and ship like that.

Speaker 2 (03:14:17):
I was like, how much is that round up?

Speaker 9 (03:14:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:14:20):
Like what the pickt was?

Speaker 2 (03:14:21):
And didn't no woman come off.

Speaker 8 (03:14:22):
I mean a lot of men like slovenly women. They
like they like horse type women. I mean, you're not
going to get an upstanding lady and then come with
the whole politics. I mean, it's not gonna work. You
gotta go. You got to get you a bottom chick, yo.

Speaker 2 (03:14:39):
You know the best.

Speaker 20 (03:14:40):
They're trying to change them.

Speaker 1 (03:14:42):
That's the thing.

Speaker 20 (03:14:42):
They're trying to make them wind.

Speaker 51 (03:14:44):
Well, you know the best of both worlds, doctor Albert.
Instead of those church chicks, get you those crystal chicks,
like the chicks that like wear those hippie clothes and
frolic like any any black woman that that frolics or
where's those like those who's that chick? There was a
different world the well, what's the least about they all
those Yeah, those ranks, they weren't big ass scarfs and

(03:15:05):
ship like that. They got crystals and ship on they dashboard.
Those motherfuckers they can they can suck the crawl off
a pipe. And they're real quiet, you know what I'm saying.
They take like meditation pictures and they in they living room.
They don't have furniture, but they got a lot of plants. Yeah,
they got a lot of plants in there. And the
cat like a like a small dot sh.

Speaker 1 (03:15:26):
U.

Speaker 20 (03:15:26):
The ultra spiritual.

Speaker 2 (03:15:28):
Yeah yeah, yeah, like the ice chicks. Them chicks to
do I say, I say it like that.

Speaker 14 (03:15:32):
They go crazy, Yeah, the prayer beads.

Speaker 1 (03:15:34):
They probably they'll let your break.

Speaker 51 (03:15:35):
Probably they'll let you stand on their heads. They go
crazy broke. They'll let you push about the bed while
they sleep.

Speaker 2 (03:15:45):
They don't give a.

Speaker 14 (03:15:47):
Throating is the.

Speaker 2 (03:15:47):
Part of the.

Speaker 51 (03:15:49):
Like them Grand rising checks. You could throw them through
a wall. They come with their own helmet.

Speaker 2 (03:15:57):
And they and they heal.

Speaker 1 (03:15:58):
They have its good talking to what man?

Speaker 52 (03:16:05):
I have a question, So don't you reach a point
in your life where you don't want to be like
playing games and dating different people like you get older, Like,
don't you just want to be when one person build
a family.

Speaker 25 (03:16:15):
Like, build like a life with that one person.

Speaker 8 (03:16:19):
Crazy?

Speaker 52 (03:16:20):
Can all these people being with all these people? First
of all, it's too many STDs going around. Why not
just build with one person, the person that God has
for you?

Speaker 15 (03:16:29):
Then trying to have.

Speaker 14 (03:16:32):
All that, April, do that early, y'all be waiting too long.

Speaker 8 (03:16:36):
That is not true.

Speaker 25 (03:16:38):
It's not that way. Wait, let me explain. It's not
that women waiting long.

Speaker 1 (03:16:42):
It's the type of.

Speaker 25 (03:16:44):
It's the type of man that we date.

Speaker 5 (03:16:47):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 14 (03:16:50):
In y'all in y'alls, but.

Speaker 25 (03:16:54):
No, I'm thirty one years old. I'm not dating a
old nigga. Definitely not dating.

Speaker 14 (03:16:59):
And again, you could have had what you wanta.

Speaker 52 (03:17:02):
Wait, that's not true because listen, women date and men
or players they lie.

Speaker 25 (03:17:07):
Oh, like, I love you, I would do anything for
you dude today, But the whole time.

Speaker 9 (03:17:10):
You're playing games.

Speaker 51 (03:17:12):
April, hold on, you said, you hold on, hold on
for sho she said, She said, I just want to clarify.
You said you're thirty one, You're not dating a younger man,
and you're not dating an older man.

Speaker 2 (03:17:18):
So what is it what?

Speaker 25 (03:17:20):
I'm not dating a fifty year old, forty year old man,
and I'm not dating a twenty I need a man, Michael,
what is that?

Speaker 2 (03:17:25):
Thirty one?

Speaker 8 (03:17:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (03:17:26):
Why would a man your.

Speaker 25 (03:17:27):
Age day twenty one, thirty two, thirty.

Speaker 14 (03:17:30):
Five, your date somebody in the early twenties when what
when he could date somebody in ten years younger than him,
why would he date you?

Speaker 25 (03:17:41):
That's not how all men are.

Speaker 14 (03:17:44):
You can date you when you was twenty one, That's
not how they all are. Yeah, but that's how the
ones that y'all want gonna be. You said you don't want,
don't want to a date a forty year old. I'm like,
that's what you should that's what you should have been
looking for when you were twenty one. You should have
been looking for a thirteen year old when you was

(03:18:05):
twenty one, for sure. But that all the twenties, all
the boys your age played you because all you had
was dicking conversation for you. You don't even have nothing
for you in thirty something.

Speaker 52 (03:18:15):
Okay, No, no, no, you don't understand y'all. Lie, y'all
make everything sound good. Oh, you're my future wife.

Speaker 9 (03:18:21):
All this ship and.

Speaker 25 (03:18:22):
Then when you get have sex, you're just moving on
to the next female. And that's how y'all think. And
I'm not saying that all men are like that, but
a lot of them are.

Speaker 5 (03:18:30):
That's exactly y'all.

Speaker 14 (03:18:32):
April.

Speaker 2 (03:18:35):
Are you? Are you a believing in Christ? And the
Lord said, I.

Speaker 14 (03:18:38):
Assured you, So what what do you find men at church?

Speaker 34 (03:18:44):
No Christ was around.

Speaker 25 (03:18:48):
And exactly just like the woman at the well. So anyways,
the men at.

Speaker 52 (03:18:53):
My church, I ain't no woman at my ain't no
man at Ain't no man at my church that I
being to church.

Speaker 25 (03:19:03):
Statement, I'm going to church. I don't be looking at
the man at my church like that.

Speaker 2 (03:19:08):
But wouldn't that be where the man that that fit
your values would be at?

Speaker 52 (03:19:12):
Not to.

Speaker 20 (03:19:17):
Go to the church with the guys like flying around on.

Speaker 1 (03:19:20):
Still like Chris Brown.

Speaker 51 (03:19:23):
No, I'm not even trying to I'm not even We're
never gonna get to it. I'm just trying to figure
out the the ideology that certain people hold.

Speaker 2 (03:19:36):
Right, Why wouldn't you just go where.

Speaker 51 (03:19:38):
Like for instance, I'm a I'm I was a professional athlete, right,
and I've been in the fitness industry like my whole life.
I met my wife in the gym. Like I'm just
like I'm trying to have We've been together for five years.
So I'm just I'm wondering if maybe.

Speaker 25 (03:19:53):
At a different church, but not the one that I
go to. But but that's not my plan.

Speaker 14 (03:19:58):
My plan is that's not alarm for you to consider
changing churches.

Speaker 25 (03:20:02):
Even man at church.

Speaker 52 (03:20:05):
Like my cousin she got married to a man that
she met at church and he was cheating on her
and abusing her and stuff, and they met at church,
So that.

Speaker 45 (03:20:13):
That's not always is your pastor getting a haircut in
the middle of discernment.

Speaker 1 (03:20:19):
Who if you?

Speaker 14 (03:20:23):
If you if you saying there are no men at church,
then why would have then? Why you at church? Why
would a man?

Speaker 52 (03:20:29):
I didn't say that there weren't any men at church.
I said, I don't be looking at the church that
I go to.

Speaker 25 (03:20:34):
I'm not. I don't be talking to me.

Speaker 3 (03:20:38):
What do you?

Speaker 14 (03:20:38):
What do you think of a good place for you
to find a man?

Speaker 25 (03:20:41):
Is wherever God leaves me, wherever the Lord leaves me.

Speaker 8 (03:20:46):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So Ray, I'm confused.

Speaker 20 (03:20:50):
I'm confused.

Speaker 1 (03:20:50):
Somebody.

Speaker 20 (03:20:51):
The fact that your church is so bad that you
don't like none of them men. I didn't say community.

Speaker 52 (03:20:58):
Wait, I did not say you, no, April, I did.
Did I say, Did the word hate come out of
my mouth?

Speaker 38 (03:21:07):
No?

Speaker 25 (03:21:07):
I said the men at my church.

Speaker 8 (03:21:09):
I did not say that.

Speaker 14 (03:21:11):
I thought the same thing.

Speaker 2 (03:21:13):
He said, wherever the Lord anywhere, But this motherfucker.

Speaker 16 (03:21:17):
Is anywhere but church.

Speaker 25 (03:21:19):
You don't know anywhere but the church that I go to.
But that's not my point in the conversation.

Speaker 20 (03:21:24):
My point was just, you know, did your passor lock
the doors and tell you not to leave?

Speaker 52 (03:21:30):
No, I've been to a church like that, though in
the past they were putting funny they were putting money.

Speaker 25 (03:21:38):
I went to it.

Speaker 52 (03:21:38):
We visited a church and they were putting money at
the pastor's feet, and he locked the doors and said
nobody could leave.

Speaker 25 (03:21:43):
My aunt was like, I got to use the bathroom.
They were like, oh, nobody can leave. I've been to
a church like that before.

Speaker 14 (03:21:48):
Man, it seemed like you got to let you. So
I don't know how we're gonna get you. I don't
know how.

Speaker 25 (03:21:53):
I don't go to all bad churches.

Speaker 8 (03:21:56):
I got not in a cult.

Speaker 2 (03:21:57):
What iBOT that would.

Speaker 51 (03:22:00):
You be open to would you be open to being
connected because like I got one marriage on my belt
off as motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (03:22:05):
So yeah, who I'm like a matchmaker.

Speaker 25 (03:22:10):
I'm not trying to find nobody on clubhouse. I was
just about the topic.

Speaker 2 (03:22:15):
These men are on clubhouse about the topic.

Speaker 25 (03:22:19):
I'm not trying to look for nobody.

Speaker 51 (03:22:21):
How it's stumbling upon you. This is an accidental God. Yeah,
you're blocking your own blessings. You ever heard that story
where the man was drowning and he asked God to
send here, yeah, for a side and getting and and
and you know, fifteen minutes later a piece of wood

(03:22:41):
drifted by and he said, now, I'm gonna just wait
for God. And then ten minutes later a boat came
by and he said, no, I'm just gonna wait for God.
And then five minutes later, helicopter came by and said,
no waiting on God, and that nigga died. Yeah, April,
I don't know you. I just want the best for you, sister,
and you blocking everything. I ain't coming here to look

(03:23:02):
for this. I ain't coming for looking for that.

Speaker 2 (03:23:04):
I don't know you.

Speaker 51 (03:23:04):
I didn't I don't know what you're looking for. But
there are people out there that are not looking for
you too, and won't you real bad? So I don't know, man,
like good luck, man, It just sounds difficult.

Speaker 14 (03:23:14):
And the fact is, wont you you should count your
blessings on that.

Speaker 34 (03:23:18):
But what about the story of bo Az? At least
he was rich.

Speaker 2 (03:23:25):
I mean, look, y'all can find rich men. But the
thing is, and I and I and I urge y'all.

Speaker 34 (03:23:29):
To just y, I ain't looking for no.

Speaker 2 (03:23:31):
I mean, I don't know. I don't know, y'all. There
is this little little little little pictures on but I'm
that's fine.

Speaker 51 (03:23:39):
But even when it comes but even when it comes
to rich men, like you know, the y'all have to realize,
like there's a different category of men, right, Like there
are there are stimps that have a lot of money,
and then there's the men that you want that have
a lot of money. There's still several different categories within
each category. Like I think that the biggest issue that
a lot of women deal with is that y'all feel

(03:23:59):
like every man and it's typically the same same type
of dude.

Speaker 34 (03:24:02):
Ain't no, y'all, because I'm not looking for anything. You're
just looking to talk ship.

Speaker 51 (03:24:06):
That's I know you said it twice, so I get you.
But the base, the base line of it is that
you know, y'all get whatever you put the work in for.
You know what I'm saying, like, you know, good luck.

Speaker 34 (03:24:18):
You don't really need no word. Man ain't lost, so
why you got to look for him?

Speaker 8 (03:24:22):
Right?

Speaker 39 (03:24:22):
She said she wants her bow asss.

Speaker 34 (03:24:26):
I mean my bows.

Speaker 14 (03:24:29):
From the projects.

Speaker 51 (03:24:34):
Yeah, when we got whomen got baby daddy if they
only knew their nickname before they got pregnant, bron, I.

Speaker 34 (03:24:42):
Don't have any baby daddy.

Speaker 2 (03:24:45):
Yeah, don't give.

Speaker 35 (03:24:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:24:48):
I mean them y'all bad ass kids.

Speaker 14 (03:24:50):
I mean like I don't play be then pop though,
because they'll they'll quickly say I ain't got no kids,
like no baby dads. I'm like, well, how many of
them playing bees?

Speaker 2 (03:25:03):
You know, Papa?

Speaker 51 (03:25:03):
How many I never really understood that, like bunting women
for their kids?

Speaker 3 (03:25:09):
Kids?

Speaker 2 (03:25:09):
Anyway, I don't be many kids?

Speaker 25 (03:25:12):
And how many women have y'all made?

Speaker 2 (03:25:15):
Oh ship nigga? Like I used to buy them in
the box for.

Speaker 14 (03:25:22):
Me to be house men can't be whole. Somebody can
kick her up. Me can't be.

Speaker 51 (03:25:32):
I used to mix them playing bes in with tik
taks and ship out here that I know, right, but
I ain't never had no accidental kids, you know the
funk I look like having a kid that I ain't
want out this motherfucker that that's stressful as hell.

Speaker 2 (03:25:48):
And have an ugly kid, well just use the call
to them, like, I mean, what is that.

Speaker 34 (03:26:00):
Don't saying?

Speaker 25 (03:26:01):
So you be having sex with girls you're not attracted to.

Speaker 2 (03:26:03):
Without having ugly sex with ugly women. Absolutely not.

Speaker 25 (03:26:08):
Yeah you said, my kids coming out ugly.

Speaker 2 (03:26:12):
But like, but like you got to church you hate, Yeah,
you gotta, you gotta relax.

Speaker 25 (03:26:20):
I cannot go to a church I.

Speaker 53 (03:26:21):
Hate in there made me take no plan bees or
getting no abortions or none of that.

Speaker 2 (03:26:28):
They put it in your milkshake.

Speaker 34 (03:26:29):
No they didn't. I don't be fucking niggas like, I
just don't.

Speaker 9 (03:26:34):
Making love nobody.

Speaker 14 (03:26:37):
I could believe that, I could believe that somebody be
cracking her ass.

Speaker 2 (03:26:42):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 53 (03:26:45):
But they served me though, reverently, believing, reverently with reverend.

Speaker 2 (03:26:55):
You gotta fucking I.

Speaker 3 (03:26:57):
G I don't this ship.

Speaker 34 (03:27:03):
I know, it's hard to believe. I just got on
this app yesterday.

Speaker 2 (03:27:10):
No, that's captain. I'm not with your p officer.

Speaker 1 (03:27:16):
Know you're on this.

Speaker 34 (03:27:17):
I don't have one. I know it sounds so crazy,
but no.

Speaker 2 (03:27:21):
Louis where the A you from?

Speaker 14 (03:27:22):
You can tell they be cracking by the way he's
saying this.

Speaker 2 (03:27:25):
Niggas wherever sexy read is from?

Speaker 34 (03:27:28):
Yes, I said, guess with a G.

Speaker 2 (03:27:38):
I'm looking at.

Speaker 34 (03:27:41):
Guess guess where I'm from?

Speaker 2 (03:27:43):
Just Gas, Chicago?

Speaker 51 (03:27:44):
Nope, someone Jacksonville, Florida. No, you got to stab one somewhere.

Speaker 1 (03:27:52):
Don't you.

Speaker 52 (03:27:53):
Nope.

Speaker 34 (03:27:54):
I don't fuck with hord niggas. I don't even fuck
with niggas. I fuck with men.

Speaker 8 (03:28:04):
Period.

Speaker 12 (03:28:04):
Men.

Speaker 14 (03:28:07):
Because you say the man Atlanta she thought she turned
it up or not said yeah.

Speaker 34 (03:28:15):
It's not for discussion. Really, I mean, ain't.

Speaker 14 (03:28:23):
He don't put the lady on on one word, but
all the rest of that she's gonna be projected.

Speaker 2 (03:28:28):
Don't with no niggas. I fuck with the men.

Speaker 16 (03:28:30):
I don't niggas.

Speaker 34 (03:28:32):
I mean, okay, whatever, whatever you say, I don't give.

Speaker 5 (03:28:36):
A damn No, it's you.

Speaker 2 (03:28:37):
Ain't the only one to be talking ship like none
of us take this seriously.

Speaker 34 (03:28:41):
Yeah, I don't either.

Speaker 2 (03:28:43):
I don't need to be the only one twinsies.

Speaker 51 (03:28:50):
But again, man, get you some midget holes. Half the
issues you gotta deal with with these normies they wear
they wear baby clothes and ship or you can take
them on shopping squeeze.

Speaker 2 (03:29:00):
It takes like thirty dollars.

Speaker 25 (03:29:02):
So you're trying to date dwarfs.

Speaker 2 (03:29:03):
Now, I'm married. I don't date nobody. You know what
I'm saying, Like I being, you're.

Speaker 28 (03:29:08):
Just telling people anything right now?

Speaker 2 (03:29:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:29:11):
Yeah, and that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 34 (03:29:12):
How married niggas be?

Speaker 53 (03:29:13):
How do these married niggas be on this app talking
ship to find sexy ass single women about relationships?

Speaker 14 (03:29:23):
You're doing a lot with that.

Speaker 53 (03:29:24):
But even if you like, like just imagine being just
imagine being a wife married to a nigga on a
podcast talking to women period, Like, that's embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (03:29:38):
Look at her, Fine, that is embarrassed.

Speaker 34 (03:29:46):
How do how is a married man?

Speaker 14 (03:29:50):
We can't hear what his wife saying about your about
your assumption of.

Speaker 53 (03:29:54):
Fine, Oh I don't give a fuck what she's saying.
She married to a nigga like that, But what.

Speaker 34 (03:30:01):
About are you married to a nigga on fucking a
podcast talking about relationship?

Speaker 8 (03:30:08):
That is embarrassed.

Speaker 34 (03:30:12):
That's embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (03:30:15):
Sorry, but What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (03:30:17):
Though, like, like this is what right?

Speaker 3 (03:30:19):
The concept?

Speaker 2 (03:30:20):
No, no, no, no, it doesn't have to make sense.

Speaker 51 (03:30:23):
The baseline of it is that y'all think that everybody's
situation is you'all situation right or like comes from your
My situation is not yours because you Yeah. But the
thing so, I mean, I don't know if that's a
good thing or a bad thing for you, but the
point being.

Speaker 34 (03:30:37):
I mean, it ain't good or bad, It's just what
it is.

Speaker 51 (03:30:39):
Some people don't have like these weird concepts of what
you can and cannot do like I'm gonna do.

Speaker 34 (03:30:46):
I mean, I don't have that either.

Speaker 53 (03:30:47):
But I'm saying if I was actually married to get,
why would I be married to a dude who's sitting
up on podcasts talking about relationships. I thought he would
have surpassed that he don't need relationship because I'm married.

Speaker 46 (03:31:00):
What does that mean?

Speaker 51 (03:31:01):
Y'all have unrealistic you know, maybe I'm just now Yeah,
it doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 34 (03:31:06):
You're just saying, okay, whatever you say, Like that's crazy.

Speaker 9 (03:31:13):
Gas like her, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (03:31:17):
I think he's on gas. I don't think anybody needs
to help.

Speaker 25 (03:31:20):
Podcast acting that is crazy.

Speaker 51 (03:31:23):
Podcast to get don't they I'm just talking to strangers.
I would talk to same life, I would talk to.

Speaker 2 (03:31:29):
This It's okay.

Speaker 25 (03:31:31):
I watched.

Speaker 51 (03:31:33):
Get It when the woman is nobody, nobody that some
people are dot and can do what they want.

Speaker 2 (03:31:39):
Like talking to y'all doesn't I mean, yeah, all right,
but talking to y'all doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 53 (03:31:43):
If I was a wife on a podcast about relationships
me and would agree, why the fuck you.

Speaker 34 (03:31:50):
Want the podcast talk about relationship when you go to
whole the nigga?

Speaker 2 (03:31:54):
Is that what you like?

Speaker 53 (03:31:57):
How do you want a podcast as a husband. You're
already married. Ain't your wife cold? She wait for you
to come to bed at my baby?

Speaker 2 (03:32:03):
Yeah, y'all literally watched too much TV.

Speaker 34 (03:32:05):
I think maybe I don't even watch TV.

Speaker 2 (03:32:07):
I watch whatever you're watch. I can do what I want.

Speaker 34 (03:32:09):
I don't even watch TV.

Speaker 2 (03:32:11):
The clubhouse is not real.

Speaker 34 (03:32:12):
This is all joint clubhouse last night.

Speaker 2 (03:32:15):
I know I can. I can, But like all of those,
all of those, all of those kind of like the
baseline of it is that you think that no, no, no,
you can. You know it's not the baseline of it though.

Speaker 3 (03:32:29):
It's not.

Speaker 53 (03:32:30):
Yeah, your wife called, you need to get into bed
with your wife and your kids.

Speaker 2 (03:32:38):
Don't be like yeah we literally she thinks, hilarious, you can.

Speaker 18 (03:32:44):
Go and cold.

Speaker 53 (03:32:46):
See by herself. You need to get get in the
bed with your wife and hold her, you know, like
she tired. It's eleven twenty three. I don't know where
y'all live at, Like, you need to get in the bed.

Speaker 2 (03:33:01):
With your let her.

Speaker 34 (03:33:05):
Get them on the bed and hold your wife.

Speaker 14 (03:33:07):
Real club talking about oh get with dwarfs and this
and that, like if you're right, and I don't know, I.

Speaker 2 (03:33:15):
Don't My wife is a door.

Speaker 26 (03:33:19):
Oh I.

Speaker 2 (03:33:27):
Ye're not too much on my wife.

Speaker 34 (03:33:30):
I mean you get in bed with your.

Speaker 1 (03:33:34):
Get up here.

Speaker 34 (03:33:35):
You don't get in bed with your wife, she calm.
She tired.

Speaker 28 (03:33:40):
She might be a dog because she gotta get up somewhere.

Speaker 34 (03:33:42):
I don't know you gonna get crawling in the bed
with your wife.

Speaker 2 (03:33:46):
She feels single right now, apparent, look at this loud
ass woman.

Speaker 34 (03:33:51):
Show her me. You don't want to show her me
because she might be single. She gets done talking to me.

Speaker 51 (03:33:57):
Hold on, it's the big hell one baby, look at this.
Yeah that's my story right there.

Speaker 34 (03:34:03):
Yeah, yeah, okay, she ain't say nothing, but all right, ptr.
I'm new to this app. I don't know what that means.

Speaker 14 (03:34:14):
I don't know pultry refresh p T.

Speaker 34 (03:34:17):
I don't know what that means. I told you, I literally,
I'm literally n.

Speaker 14 (03:34:31):
I can't say this. I knew he was gonna do that.

Speaker 1 (03:34:34):
Oh so that's supposed to be you?

Speaker 34 (03:34:37):
Oh, oh my god? What was she on fucking Little
Little Women of l A.

Speaker 28 (03:34:44):
Look, yeah, he married a celebrity.

Speaker 53 (03:34:48):
Oh my god, I used to watch that show. Okay,
I get it now, never mind, I'm gonna shut the
fuck up.

Speaker 9 (03:34:59):
I guess that nigga said, they all take this.

Speaker 28 (03:35:01):
Look she calling him? Look yo, what's all that noise
upstairs to sleep?

Speaker 3 (03:35:08):
Well?

Speaker 25 (03:35:08):
Damn, I mean the nigga's down bad now.

Speaker 34 (03:35:14):
Down bad as fuck?

Speaker 53 (03:35:18):
Like you shouldn't have nothing to say about fully hiding
women should to say, nigga married.

Speaker 34 (03:35:34):
To a half a woman, one percent of a woman.
Wasn't you you were you married to any type of woman?

Speaker 53 (03:35:41):
Why the fuck is you on a podcast talking about
relationships period?

Speaker 34 (03:35:46):
Like, just put yourself in the shoes of the women
that's married.

Speaker 14 (03:35:51):
I don't think that qualifies him to talk about relationships
being married.

Speaker 34 (03:35:54):
No, it doesn't know because I would be embarrassed.

Speaker 8 (03:35:59):
About.

Speaker 34 (03:36:00):
I would divorce that man immediately.

Speaker 14 (03:36:03):
But you unmarried, I know. So what you got to
say about relationships.

Speaker 34 (03:36:09):
A whole lot.

Speaker 53 (03:36:10):
I'm I'm kind of anti marriage. I never want to
be married. I love being a Harlet, so you love
being a whole?

Speaker 25 (03:36:19):
Okay, I mean I.

Speaker 34 (03:36:21):
Hardly don't mean a whole. Hardly just mean I'm not
a virgin.

Speaker 14 (03:36:24):
Harley hose.

Speaker 34 (03:36:26):
Harley just means I'm not a virgin.

Speaker 14 (03:36:28):
I don't be fuckings.

Speaker 53 (03:36:32):
Oh okay, whatever you' are a Christian word or whatever
religion tell y'all to believe.

Speaker 34 (03:36:38):
A Harley just means a woman that's not a virgin.
That's all it really means. But I see that words
don't have meanings in twenty twenty.

Speaker 53 (03:36:49):
Five, however, I still stick to the old ways of
words having the meaning. So by definition, I am a
Harlet and I'm proud to be that because I'm not
a fucking virgin and I don't value marriage, okay, and
I'm not a motherfucking helpmate. So yeah, that's all I'm

(03:37:11):
safe at this moment. So don't nobody got nothing else

(03:37:37):
to say now, I can't be the only person that
got signed to.

Speaker 34 (03:37:40):
Say, already got in trouble obviously. Yeah, God got in
big trouble by his little woman.

Speaker 2 (03:37:53):
O yo up for Seann?

Speaker 3 (03:37:57):
Is this nigga?

Speaker 2 (03:37:58):
Uh, we gotta.

Speaker 34 (03:38:04):
Not everybody want to talk, Not everybody.

Speaker 2 (03:38:13):
I gotta bring to your beanie back on this motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (03:38:16):
Oh that's what's it?

Speaker 2 (03:38:19):
Because this nigga is like a t move.

Speaker 51 (03:38:25):
I fuck with it though, Yeah, I gotta get gotta
get that damn boost see that the car for shorten.

Speaker 34 (03:38:35):
Okay, But was your woman on Little Women Atlanta?

Speaker 4 (03:38:39):
Though?

Speaker 34 (03:38:39):
Because I literally used to watch that show.

Speaker 27 (03:38:44):
Yeah, she got a little scooter because over something that
is not working on the now, we don't believe you,
like you're.

Speaker 8 (03:38:52):
Doing too much.

Speaker 2 (03:38:54):
All I'm doing is lying on this motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (03:38:55):
This is the clubhouse.

Speaker 27 (03:38:59):
Niggas start lying after eleven, when the room down niggas
started lying.

Speaker 28 (03:39:03):
But all day everybody wants to speak speak facts.

Speaker 2 (03:39:06):
And this and this is just I'm literally a white knife.
Why would you believe anything on that?

Speaker 53 (03:39:11):
But was your woman on Little Women Atlanta? Was your
woman on Little Women in Atlanta? Because I used to
watch that show.

Speaker 34 (03:39:20):
No, oh okay, women.

Speaker 3 (03:39:22):
Don't exist girl.

Speaker 28 (03:39:23):
Then you just hear him saying, don't take this out serious.
So he's making up a life.

Speaker 53 (03:39:28):
I don't give a I ain't even invest it into
the lie. I just don't even care about nothing. I'm single.

Speaker 34 (03:39:37):
I don't gotta give a fuck.

Speaker 6 (03:40:00):
Asso.

Speaker 1 (03:47:01):
Wow, we all scared everybody off. Great, well, Gender Wars
has been nice. Gender Wars is over. I'm leaving room,
done and night y'all,

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