LIVE AT FIVE Georgia school shooting 14 year old tried as an ADULT

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Oh, and thank you for joining us on the Nicki
Maduro Show. I am Nicki Maduro, she is Kim McAllister,
and please hit that subscribe button, hit the thumbs up,
and share the show with your friends, because yes, it's
gonna get a bit heavy today. Unfortunately we live in
the United States of America. And yes, there's been another

(00:39):
school shooting tragically in Georgia. Four people have been killed,
several more have been injured. There's going to be a
press conference the latest news, of course, and I've seen
it in the comments. The father of Colt Gray, Colton Gray,
has been charged and arrested. He has been charged with
four counts of voluntary manslaughter, two counts of second degree murder,

(01:04):
and a counts of cruelty to children. And kim McAllister,
I can totally see why, because how about my friend,
We stop giving children guns as a gift?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Did he give him a gun as a gift?

Speaker 1 (01:24):
He gave him a gun as a holiday gift. Merry Christmas.
Here's a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Here's the problem with this. Okay, this kid a year
ago or so apparently allegedly had been making threats. The
FBI tracks him down, They talk to his parents, and
they say, hey, there's nothing really we can arrest you for.
But we hear some rumblings that he's talking about school shootings.
He's involved in this conversation and we're not going to

(01:50):
arrest him, but we want to make sure you're aware
of all this right type of thing. This means to
me as a parent, you have ample time to say, hmm,
kids talking about a school shooting. First of all, first stop,
psychiatry office. So we're gonna get you some help. Yes, uh,
if not the second stop, because the first stop might

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be all my guns because I guess this guy is
a hunter type of person. All my guns in the
safe with a lock or get rid of them.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Well, then we have to have a cocktail because it's
gonna make us drinks. And the top of it, I
apologize for interrupting.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Go ahead, no, no, no, what So My point is,
how is that drink? Is it good? It is very good?

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Is my medua mule? It's always good? Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
My point is this family had a year or since
to figure it the f out, and they did nothing,
and as you say, gave a gift of a weapon
to a kid that shouldn't be having a weapon. I mean,
I don't care how much of a gun enthusiast you are.
Be smart, like what about your owne heads. You don't

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give a gun to a kid who had rumblings of
school shootings. You keep for the safety of your own child.
You mentioned the rest of the school community. You don't
want anything bad to happen to your own kid, right, exactly.
See that our job as parents, our whole job, keep
you safe. Don't let anything happen to you.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
And I understand this make it to adulthood. I understand
it's Georgia, okay. And I understand that there's different places
in the country where this is part of the culture
and the lifetime. I know it's not us. I know, Kim,
we don't fully understand it. Okay, I get that. So
just to kind of back up and Eric, you're right
in Eric writes, including the shooting, there have been thirty
mass killings this year and three hundred and eighty five

(03:33):
mass shootings. Okay. So that's like what you know for
the more right, not necessarily people dying, but people at
least being shot. This is this is a this is
an American problem. It is an American problem. Okay. So
besides that, So this kid's on something called discord and
if anybody isn't familiar with it, it is kind of
this kind of a chat room people can communicate about

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all sorts of things. You could set up groups of
similar interests and talk about all sorts of things. And
apparently I was reading Kim that this kid Colt Gray
when the FBI showed up the house, had claimed that
people kept hacking into his into his account. And apparently
one of the names that the FBI had linked to

(04:17):
this uh that triggered this this alert had used a
Russian name that, when translated to English, had translated to Lanza,
as in Adam Lanza, the mass shooter. Okay, and so
this kid tells the FBI, and then they couldn't They
really couldn't draw a direct line, right, They couldn't draw it.

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But the kid said, everyone keep people keep hacking my account.
I got one of this account a long time ago
because I was afraid it was going to be used
for nefarious reasons. Now, obviously the FBI tried to do
their due diligence, but told the dad, try to keep
your guns away, lock them up, keep them away. So
if the police make up point to tell the dad

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keep guns away from your kid, and then you proceed
to buy said son a gun for Christmas. Hell, yeah,
you should face Georges. I'm sorry, that's what happens with Kay.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
You absolutely And now you've got a fourteen year old
son accused of killing two teachers and two students with
this AR fifteen style rifle. If that's the weapon that
he got for Christmas, who buys their kid an AR
fifteen style rifle?

Speaker 1 (05:29):
I think that I've got the kid.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Accused of four murders. You've got the dad accused of
what is it, negligent homicide, manslaughter, whatever it is. And
so now you've got a whole family ruined, all because
I don't know, you couldn't get off your ass. You
couldn't believe what the authorities were telling you that your
child was having a cry for help.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Well, and apparently the ant I believe it was in
the article I was reading earlier today, had said this
kid's been asking for therapy. Like there have been signs.
Apparently the father and the mother had divorced or separated.
Kid was having a hard time. I mean, there are signs,
and I'm not saying I'm an expert, but Kim in
my new role in school where I can read the

(06:11):
behavior logs of kids now that I have to write
like I have to log every single time somebody comes
into my health clinic, and you start to see the patterns,
and I can go back and you can see it.
You can see all the way back to elementary school,
being picked up late, being picked up late, being picked
up late, all of a sudden, you know, got into

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a fight. And not saying that all these kids and
I'm not saying kids that are picked up late are
going to be school shooters. I'm not drawing that line.
But you can see patterns of kids that get into trouble,
you know what I mean. And there's many frigging reasons
why people are worked. They have to work two jobs,

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single parents, all sorts of things. Life is hard. It
is so hard for people. And I'm not making excuses.
There is never an excuse. But all I'm saying is
if your kid is having a tough time, the last
friggin thing you should be doing is putting a gun

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in his hands. You're failing your child. You're failing. And
I just I don't believe obviously that his father would
have ever thought that this would happen, but he did it.
There's blood on his hands. And yet, just like you said, Kim,

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lives have been ruined and it'll never go back, Absolutely
will never go back.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
This dad is fifty four. Yeah, he's been charged with
four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second degree murder,
and eight counts of cruelty to children. Yeah, because he
didn't listen.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, because he didn't listen. And again, in Georgia, a
juvenile between thirteen and seventeen, if they commit a serious crime,
automatic tried as an adult. And I'm like, fourteen, I lo,
my son is thirteen, my daughter is fifteen, they are babies.
I cannot imagine that being tried as an adult. Obviously
in Georgia. And whenever somebody dies, right like because it

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was it was interesting, Kim. The other big news locally,
of course, was the shooting of forty nine or Ricky
per self, and it was a seventeen year old and
the name is in the news, you know what I mean, Like,
they're not being tried as an adult because it's a juvenile.
And I'm like, obviously he didn't die, could have obviously
very serious. Didn't die and obviously that's why chessed just

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what in and out? You know what I mean? But
like it. It's amazing seventeen year old shoots a football
player doesn't die obvious reasons. Don't know the name, fourteen
year old tried as an adult, Noah's name, pictures out there,
all sorts of things, And yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
Question for you. This is a hard one. Do you
think at the age of fourteen or even seventeen, that's
three years, that's a lot of growth, ok, okay, Yet
by seventeen you probably know who the core of the
person at that time in their life is. And let's
go with fourteen, all right. Do you think a fourteen
year old child right if they commit as this child

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allegedly did four killings?

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yes, four people gone gone.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Do we crinkle them up like a piece of paper
and throw them in the garbage? Is that it for
their life? Should they pay for this killing of four
people for the rest of their life? A fourteen year
old child who their brain isn't developed. They're making mistakes
I don't want to make. I'm really hard. I'm really

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caught because on one hand, I know they're not fully cooked.
I know that they could become someone incredible if given
the chance to get past this, But can I get
past the fact that they just killed for people?

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Right?

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Because that is something you have to you should have
to pay for for the rest of your life. Absolutely
know what the right thing to do is. I'm just like,
I'm beside myself with what you would do in this
situation where a fourteen year old child could have is
now will likely in Georgia be done for the rest
of their life. That's it. What this mistake, a mistake
that was a murder of times.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
For murders, murders plural.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Is gone. Is now the rest of his life has cooked.
That's it. He's over. It's over.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I want to add onto your question right there. I mean,
I think even beyond the father, there are so many
more people that have blood on their hands. And I'm
not I'm not saying necessarily us directly, but just think
as the years progress and us as a society in

(10:55):
America fail time and again to protect these kids in schools,
and the trauma that we are inflicting on them year
after year, what we're doing to their psyche. I mean,
nobody knows what impact what scar we are leaving on

(11:17):
these kids that they are living with that they're going
to exhibit ten, twenty thirty years down the road. I mean,
who knows what the kids that are dealing with school
shootings and lockdown drills now are going to be like
when they're adults. I mean, it can't be healthy to

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do lockdown drills. I'm going to have my first lockdown
drill in a couple of months. I'm going to experience,
because I work at a school, my first lockdown Joe.
And while there is a part of me that is
taking the kind of news aspect approach just because I'm
like kind of fascinated of what that's actually like. It's

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insane that this is what children do, and it's like
a fire drill or an earthquake drill. It's like, let's
pretend that there's somebody on campus trying to kill us.
That's nuts. And so it's not just the parents that
put the gun in the hands. It us as a
country that fail to have reasonable and common sense gun restrictions.

(12:29):
It's our fascination with weapons. It's all of this bs
that have failed our children, Like we just why has
it happened so much? Here and it doesn't happen anywhere else.
Why it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I will say to you about that that yesterday at
Pedaluma High School, the kids were talking about what happened
in Georgia. They came across a teacher who was talking
to another teacher in the band that said. The teacher said,
did you hear what happened in Georgia? So the kids
knew what happened in Georgia. They're all talking about it,
and you can't tell me that when they're talking about it,

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they're not thinking that could happen here, because that's the
first thing I thought. And I hugged her extra tight
last night. Not that it does any good for anyone
else's kid that's now dead, right, but the kids are.
It creates this level across the country of anxiety and
kids that have to go to school and deal with this.

(13:27):
And what's interesting here is Kamala Harris was in Georgia
speaking after I believe it she was in Georgia, but
she was giving us campaign speech and she she says
the Donald Trump thing where he says, I'm gonna go
off script for a minute, right, But in this case,
she goes off script, Nikki, and it's so powerful, I

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swear to you. She starts talking about how she's surprised
about all the kids that are going through these lockdown drills,
and we know it's every kid in America. She was
surprised by it. And then she has this phrase where
she says, it doesn't have to be this way. It's
what I long to hear from a politician or someone

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that can do something that we don't have to live
like this. It doesn't have to be this way. She's
calling for increased background checks, she's calling for more red
flag laws. She's calling for the banning of these assault
style weapons. Not the banning of guns, but the banning
of these weapons where you can mow down fifty people

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in ten seconds or whatever the numbers are. But here's
what she has to say.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
I begin, I do want to say a few words
about this tragic shooting that took place this morning in
winder Georgia. We're still gathering information about what happened, but
we know that there were multiple fatalities and injuries. And
you know, our hearts are with all the students, the

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teachers and their families, of course, and we are grateful
to the first responders and law enforcement that we're on
the scene. But this is just a senseless tragedy on
top of so many senseless tragedies.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
And it's just.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Outrageous that every day in our country, in the United
States of America, that parents have to send their children
to school worried about whether or not their child will
come home alive. It's senseless, it is We've got to
stop it, and we have to end this epidemic of

(15:31):
gun violence in our country once and for all. You know,
it doesn't have to be this way.

Speaker 4 (15:36):
It doesn't have to be this way.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
So we will continue, of course, to send our prayers
and our thoughts to the families and all those who
were affected, including you know, I'm going offscript right now,
but listen. I mean, you know, at the last year,
I started a college tour and I traveled our country

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meeting with our young leaders, right and so it was
college aged young leaders. So I did trade schools, colleges, universities,
community colleges.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
By the way, I love.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Gen Z, I just love gen Z. But I'll tell
you one of the things, one of the things that
I asked every time I went to the auditorium and
be filled with these young leader students, and I'd ask
them raise your hand if at any point between kindergarten
and twelfth grade you had to endure an active shooter drill,

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and the for the young leaders who are here, who
are raising your hand, I'm telling you every time the
auditorium was packed and almost every hand went up. You
know a lot of us, I'll talk speak about myself.
You know, we had well I grew up in California,
earthquake drills, we had fire drills. But our kids are
sitting in a classroom where they should be fulfilling their

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God given potential, and some part of their big, beautiful
brain is concerned about a shooter busting through the door.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Tragedy.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
It does not have to be this way.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
It's ridiculous, It's absolutely ridiculous. Does not have to be
this way.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
And you know this is one of the many issues
that's at stake in the selection.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
It doesn't have to and she moves me to tears again,
it doesn't have to be this way. What a novel concept.
We don't have to live in a country where our
kids are being gunned down. There's one point five average
per day mass shootings. Claire that's described as four or
more people killed when someone opened fire. It doesn't have

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to be this way. We can make it the way
we want it. What a great I mean, if that's
not a campaign speech to end all campaign spe speech
is going off the cuff. Isn't that what we're waiting for.
I'm not saying take all the guns.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Away, exactly.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
I'm not saying that we shouldn't respect the Second Amendment.
It's sad that we shouldn't have you know, hunters shouldn't
be able to do what they got to do. I'm
not saying that. I'm saying we have to fix it
so that people are safe at the movies, so they're safe,
at the schools, so they're safe at the shopping mall,
so they're safe at the hospital, pick a place, so

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we're safe going out about our lives in our community.
That's common sense.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Well, and it's also common sense to realize that when
we have a bill that deals with mental health, that
politicians don't policize it. And I know that's very hard,
but we did have a mental health bill that many
you know, sorry Republicans voted against. And it's and you

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can you can debate about the reasons why. But it's
just bull crap, you know, It's just stop saying, oh,
we have a mental health crisis and then vote against
mental health help, right, So stop it. Stop saying it's
one thing, and then when we put forth something to
help with it, make an excuse of why you can't
support it. It's just dumb. And we do have a

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mental health crisis in this world and so in this country.
So if we and I say this so many times,
if we have a mental health crisis, then we have
to take away the guns until we get it under control,
because we don't give a crazy country guns. Okay, if
you agree, then we're nuts. I'm using that in a

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very you know, terrible way. But if you agree that
as a country we have a mental health crisis, then
we should not have too many weapons. Is that is that?
Is that a crazy quote unquote idea? I don't think.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
So.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
We have some really good comments that lamon mmy shooting.
Louise says Audio's fourteen year old, no coming back. You
can make a thousand excuses. This is where we are.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
And I will say regarding Louise, he is a mental
health person worker who you know is he's one of
the kindest people that I've communicated with. He is so
lovely and he's out to help people and be a
positive person all the time. And he's feeling like no
fortune so deuces.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Right, I mean, I can't I have to respectfully disagree
with the Louise. I just feel like we have created
a country in an environment in which kids are not
getting to help the attention and are falling through the
cracks in many ways. Right, I mean that father should

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have seen the signs and was failed. I'm sorry. I
feel like he should get some help. I don't want
to throw him away. I think the father definitely failed.
He should be held responsible. Loise, thank you so much
for the ten dollar donation. And he says, as long
as we continue to value guns over lives, justified by
some stupid, fanatical belief that the Second Amendment is limitless,

(20:54):
this will continue to happen. And I completely agree. And
before we go on, I wanted to thank Jim also
for the ib Allar donation that came in at the
beginning of the show. Finally made it, and thank you
Jim for being here at the beginning of the show
as well. I mean, I just Kim I don't believe
in throwing people away. I don't believe that we are
pieces of furniture or anything like that that we just dismiss.

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I do believe, though, that once you become a full
fledged adult, a parent, there is a responsibility, and I
think that that father should be held to account. And
if there's anybody I want to say, AliOS too, it's
the father, like you failed. Yep, the fourteen year old
was failed, and I think that we need to help him.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Eric says we need red flag laws, and Eric also
says people can't blame the FBI on this one. They
did the job to the fullest extent allowed by that
non existent rights. In this case, that's what we have
to fix absolutely. Luis also writing, it's Georgia, no background checks,
no nothing, everybody gets a gun. And Ken has an
interesting comment. She says, keep holding the parents a case.

(22:00):
Maybe the changes will be made by doing that.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, I agree, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
I mean, I completely agree.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
If they're children, if they're under eighteen, hold the parents accountable.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Michelle says she's right, these mass shootings never had to happen.
To hear her say that is so refreshing. She refers
to Kamala Harris in this one, and Mama has a
this is kind of a dramatic take on this. Mama says,
maybe people with miners living with them shouldn't be allowed
to own guns.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
Ooo.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Interesting question. Ooh, let's open that up to people. Do
you think if you have children in the house. Some
people will say, if I do have kids, I want
a gun in the house. I want to be able
to protect my family.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Right, you're a police officer, you have kids in your house,
but you know usually or if you're a police officer,
although there have.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Been a story how many how many.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Cop leaves a thing on the bureau and the kid
walks in and shoots himself or some other kids?

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Any times?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
So many times times?

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Oh, it's so trying.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
I have friends, best friends that are ranchers. This is
a very agricultural community here in Pedaluma, and there's dairy farms,
and there's cattle ranches, and there's chicken farms, and there's
all kinds of ag up here. And when you're on
a ranch, usually you have a weapon because you need one,

(23:20):
I guess on the ranch.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
So it's it's a culture that kids grow up in
they know how to shoot from the time they're little.
They will buy their children weapons to have out on
the ranch. They do skeet shooting, they do all kinds
of shooting. But this is different, I think than just
buying a regular kid who doesn't live out on the
ranch a gun, right exactly.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
You know Jordan Klepper from The Daily Show, he goes
a list of those rallies, so he was he was
doing this thing about ar style weapons and he's always
asking people like what do.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
You need it for?

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Right, and all most of the answers were for hog hunting.
Why these poor hogs, Like, really, you don't, you don't
need it. And he's like, what do you need it for?
And he's like it's powerful. It's such an extension of
the male member that it's ridiculous. In my opinion, it's
not needed.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Say you're on the ranch and you're out by the
pond and say the I don't know, I don't pack
of wild wolves, a coyote, a bear approaches you, or
whatever you want to be able to protect.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
A shotgun, get a shot.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
I think that would be enough to me. That seems okay.
Say you're involved in the skeet shooting style sport. I
still think the parents have to take extraordinary measures to
lock up those weapons to be responsible about us to
only allow the child to possibly touch the weapon when
said sport is being engaged in, and then right after

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it gets locked up and you don't know the code,
the kid doesn't know the code, like you have to
be if you want to live this lifestyle, take precautions
as well.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah. Eric makes a good point though, there are women
with children who feel they need a gun to protect
themselves from an abusive X. That's a very good point, Eric,
I Yeah, that's an excellent point.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
The problem with that is we know that the children
likelihood that the gun will be turned against you as
extra high. So you think you have a gun for protection,
know what you're doing with it. No one's going to
take it away from you.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, that's unportant, right, do you know? I really do
believe that we could make a law for parents that say,
if you have a gun and it is used by
your child, whatever charges against the child go to you
as well. I mean, that's it. It doesn't matter. If
you have a gun and your child uses it for
any commission of any crime, you will face these same charges. Yeah,

(25:44):
that's it. That's it. I mean, there has to be
and I'm sorry, it's very distracting. Do you hear that echo?
I'm sorry to just do you hear the echo?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
It's driving my fault. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Okay, it's coming. I don't know. I heard it before.
I'm sorry. If every one's hearing it, I don't know
if I'm hearing all. Sorry, I don't know. It's me. Oh, yeah,
that's that's a little bit better. That's a little bit better. Okay,
think but yeah, I just feel like if we held
just like Kim was saying earlier, if we held the
parents to the same punishment, then parents wouldn't want to

(26:17):
the merits like I don't want to face the same
I would hope, I would hope. I definitely think we
need to do this. I do.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
So here's the question. You know, they say it's impossible
to amend the Constitution, like the earth needs to be
moved in order for this to be successful. I would argue,
the earth has been moved. How many children do we
need to lose? How much fear do we need to
have in order for us to finally amend the Constitution?

(26:44):
I get there gun people out there, but most gun
people that you know, our proponents of having weapons are
in favor of common sense gun laws. So we need
to change the laws that make sense so that we
can have guns in a way that that won't hurt
so many people. We need to change things a bit.
And I think we're at this tipping point. If we

(27:06):
weren't years ago, we should have been after Sandy Hook
that it's now. It's it's intolerable at this point, and
Americans should be ready to vote for this to make
this happen.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
We're done.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
We're just done.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
I don't know if we're done though, I don't know
if that. I always feel like him, like in our bubble.
I feel like we're in this bubble. I feel like
we're done, like common sense people people on the West Coast,
although gun owners are on the West Coast, I'm not
saying that. I just feel like there's so much of
this America. I feel like there's the coasts and then

(27:40):
there's this big chunk of America that we just don't understand.
We don't often relate to that votes in a way
that doesn't jive with what you're saying, right, Like you're
gonna take my gun from my colds at hands, even
though they're George is seeing mass shootings and Middle America

(28:02):
is seeing these mass shootings. They don't like that, but
they don't want to see too much gum laws. Does
that make sense? You understand what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Like, well, give given the fact that half the country
is pulling for Trump, maybe it is more of an
uphill battle, right. I Still, I have to believe that
if we can't collectively take care of the future, if
we can't collectively take care of our kids, who are
the future of this country, then what the hell are
we doing?

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Well?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah, Kim, absolutely, you're the best thing that you've ever said.
But obviously, I mean that is literally the most obvious thing.
But we have been failing. I mean Columbine, yes, But
what I've said it before and I've said it again.
Once Sandy Hook happened and we didn't do anything, I
mean not anything. I know things were done, but not

(28:49):
enough once that happened. No, No, I mean what was it?
And Christ correct me if I'm wrong. Wasn't it Australia
that got rid of every single ARS fifteen weapon once
they had their mass shooting? I think it was Australia,
like they had this like big big thing where like
everybody turned it in. I want to say it was Australia.
I could be wrong.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
And because everybody agreed this is a horrific tragedy, we
never want to do it again. America never did that.
That should have happened after Sandy Hook. These were I
mean not that, not every life matters, but these were babies,
These were first graders. I mean these I still I
can't even talk about Sandy Hook without crying.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I mean I can't either. And they always have those commercials.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Oh my god, oh God, I get I get justice
leobe as if it happened. Yet I it's almost like
it's almost like a nine to eleven for me. And
I don't even want to wait it. But it almost
is like I remember where I was in my kitchen
when I found out about Sandy Hook, and it was.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
In the KGO newsroom and I had to report on it.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
I could not talk and I could not talk, and
we had a report on that, yeah, I And so
we didn't do anything. So every time someone's like, well, no,
we didn't do anything about Sandy Hook. So don't talk
to me about what we'll get to it. No, no, no,
we didn't do anything about that. So I just I

(30:13):
don't have faith and maybe that makes me like the
pessimist about it. But yeah, the father, Kim, Yeah, the father,
the Sandy Hook father. Every time I open YouTube, I
see him too, and I'm like, oh god, I can't either.
I can't imagine. And then you have people like Alex
Jones don't want to strangle by the neck every if
there's if there is one reason why I can't despise

(30:37):
Alex Jones, it's it's what he did those Sandy Hook's parents.
I can't, I can't.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
He should.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
He has a special place in hell, Alex Jones for
we did so.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, just looking at this website after you mentioned Australia,
I just kind of wanted to fresh and it says
fat it's FactCheck dot org.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
And it says that people are asking did gun control
in Austria lead to more murders there last year?

Speaker 4 (31:02):
This?

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Oh okay, yeah, and that this was a question from
two thousand and nine and they said the answer at
the time was no, and today that's still the case.
Here's what they say. The most recent government report on
crime trends in Australia say homicide in Australia has declined
over the last twenty five years. The current homicide incidence
rate is the lowest on record in the past twenty

(31:24):
five years. No guns. They still find ways to kill
each other, but it's much less common.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I think it's I think it's I think it's I think,
and you can totally tell say that I'm wrong. I
think it's knives, like I Just like you said, they
still find ways to hurt each other. Sure, but because
people are crazy. But you know, it's a different way. Again,
I am not promoting hurting anybody. But guns are, for

(31:53):
lack of a better word, easier. It's easier, it's quicker.
That's the problem with a style weapons. It's fast to spray.
That's the problem with the you know, bump stocks and
all those sorts of things that make guns shoot out
fast bullets. Right Like, these are the things we're talking about.
You don't need to do it, like stop common sense.

(32:15):
Stop people saying that we need it. We don't need it.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Here's what they did in Australia. Nineteen ninety six law
banned certain semi automatic self loading rifles and shotguns, imposed
stricter licensing and registration requirements, instituted a mandatory buyback program
for firearms banned by that nineteen ninety six law. So
if you had one of those newly banned weapons, you
had to go get money for it. Turn Out, during

(32:42):
the buyback program, Australian sold six hundred forty thousand prohibited
firearms back to the government, voluntarily surrendered sixty thousand non
prohibited firearms as well. In all, more than seven hundred
thousand guns were surrendered. This according to the Library of
Congress Report Australian Gun Policy.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
Wow, yeah, I mean see.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
It reduced the number of guns in private hands by
twenty percent. And then in two thousand and two they
further tighten gun laws, restricting the caliber, barrel length, and
capacity for sports shooting handguns. They're on it.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
This is yeah, but they see the differences. And this
is the thing. Him and I always love talking to
my my really good friend that I've known since I school.
She's she's a Republican, and we always debate things. And
I really think that the problem and I use the
word problem in quotes, the problem I think with Americans

(33:38):
and I hesitate to say this. It's that I think
that we take our constitutional rights as if they come
from God, right, as if how could we do anything
to change it? It's a constitutional right.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
And it's like, well, maybe because we're proving yeah, it
wasn't a good idea, or we don't deserve to have
that right anymore, maybe because we're too whack a dude
in the head, or maybe right now until you know,
like when you give your kid a privilege and then
they've shown that they don't deserve it anymore because they
can't handle it, and so you're like that privilege until

(34:16):
you prove that you can handle it better, you don't
get that privilege anymore.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
So until we get our crap together, you don't get
the Second Amendment in the same way you got it before.
Until you get your mental health in order, you know,
until you get all this other stuff in order, you
don't get it in the same way you got it before.
How about that, America? Right, Like, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Stop.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Heather says it's probably the spiders of the wombats that
are killing the Australians.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
Australia is scary to me, Heather, I swear. I feel
like if I stepped off the plane, some gigantic spider
that's as big as me, it's just gonna like come
up and ug me. I swear to God, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Serainly with this idea, wouldn't it be great if President
Biden would use his presidential immunity, it's newly immunity, to
repeal the Second Amendment or at least pass some common
sense gun laws something I don't know. I mean, the
Constitution is the constitution. We just have to change it. Yeah,
I have to amend it. I think that's the only

(35:15):
way out of this. And we all know that we
need it.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Well, you just need more common sense, that's the thing.
We just need more common sense back in Congress, that's all.
And I really do think it starts with this next election, right,
I think that again, I really do hope everybody obviously
is hoping that Kamala Harris and all this momentum is
going to continue to build. And and you know, you

(35:38):
showed her there speaking in Georgia, and what we have
like less than two months, right, less than two months
until the next It seems like so far yet so close, right,
It's like you're running a race, and you're like, can
we just get there all ready so that it could
be over and done with, and like we could just
put it in our back window and and just done.
And then at the same time, it's like so much

(35:59):
can happen in between then and now. But okay, so
I've been waiting and refreshing. Apparently the press conference with
Georgia hasn't happened yet. I mean, obviously the big news is,
of course the father is facing charges. I'm key. I
don't want to like, but I do want to kind
of turn the page. We have other things to talk about,
of course, the latest that I'm seeing on Zeena and

(36:20):
nine people wounded in the shooting are all expected to
make a full recovery, which is awesome. Unfortunately, four people
have died. I did want to talk a little bit
about politics, and then I want to talk about some
other things as well. But let's move on to Trump
and his announcement, which again this kind of ties into

(36:41):
kind of moving things on and getting through people's head
and again common sense, right, like, how do we get
through the mental illness of politics? Right? The cult of
personality that Donald Trump is, what he's done over the
past several years to people regarding the election misinformation. So

(37:02):
that friend that I was talking to you about, that's
a Republican. We've been having an interesting conversation through Instagram messaging,
which is really funny. We were talking about where you
get news and how you get news and blah blah
blah blah blah. Let me ask you, Kim, because I
know that you prep for shows. You're on Mark Show,
you do your show, even though you try to say
out of politics on your other show, walk me through

(37:24):
your day of getting news on your typical day. I
know that you're prepping for shows. But if you're just
gonna go through your typical day of getting news, where
do you go?

Speaker 2 (37:38):
What sits do I look at?

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, Like, if you're just gonna be like, what's going
on today, what do you typically do?

Speaker 2 (37:45):
So I'm a little different because I'm going on news
wise and I have to stay abreast of international, national
and level. So I'm all over the place, right. I
look at CNN. I like CNN. I look at Politico,
I like it. I look at The Guardian, I like
that site as well. I look at I will check

(38:08):
the headlines on Huffington Post. They're often outrageous, okay, but interesting, okay, interesting,
And I look and I look and see, did I
miss any any weird story, political story that I missed?

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (38:21):
I subscribe to a news service that I also checked.
I do look at Fox News just to see and
prepare and make sure. I'll just go to the website,
look at the headlines, and move on. I like sf Gate,
I like KTLA, so I know what's going on in
San Francisco, of course, and in the southern California area.

(38:42):
I like crawn for because they have breaking Bay Area
news all the time. I like ABC seven in the
Bay Area as well. I have I have a lot
of websites I go to, have a lot of things
that I'm tinkering with.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I think that we're very similar in those senses. But
the reason why I was asking is, and you did
mention CNN, but do you watch CNN or do you
go to CNN dot.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Com mostly CNN dot com. Okay, see that there's an event,
right then I'm going there to watch it.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Okay. So that was my point. I'm so glad that
you said that. So that was my point that I
was making to my friend is She's like, well, what
do you watch for news? And this was my point
is I don't really I don't and I've said this before,
I do not watch twenty four hour news channels, right,
I don't. I don't. You know, some people turn on

(39:29):
CNN or MSNBC or Fox News and it's just on,
like always on. And I know some of you do that,
Like I know, I know some of you do that,
like it's just CNN always it's on. There is no
way in effing hell I would ever do that. Okay,
I will do that. Okay, I would never do that. Yeah,
that's all help.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Break from the news at some point.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Well, I don't well in all honesty, and I'm not
judging people that do that. And I love you guys.
I don't personally think this is me and this is
only in my opinion, and you guys completely can disagree
with me in the comments and you can totally change
my mind if you want to. This is my opinion
on the twenty four hour news channel. I think it
is the example of what is wrong with news nowadays.

(40:12):
And I'll explain why the twenty four hour news channel
CNN for instance, used to be and it really came
after like uh, nine to eleven and the war and
everything like that, Hurricane Katrina, right like it used to be.
And I don't know if you remember, you probably remember this.
CNN used to repeat. Remember they used to repeat, so
it used to do the news, and then they would

(40:33):
repeat the news because that's what it was news.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
It was just the news. It's news. And it's like
as this commentary. Yeah, there's the front page and there's
the op ed. So now you've got the op ed
sprinkled throughout the day as well and exactly our opinion, exactly.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
And the problem is is that to keep you so
you don't flip away. They they have blurred the lines
over the years of what is news and what is commentary?
And everyone's guilty of it. Emma's, NBC, CNN, Fox News,
They're all guilty of it. I am not choosing sites, Okay,
the twenty four hour news cycle don't want you to.
They don't want you to change the channel, and so
they have blurred the lines of what is news and commentary. Now,

(41:11):
Fox News I think is the worst of the worst
of this. I think Owsmax, well, yes, own and Newsmax
is obvious. Fox News was the worst of the worst
I mean Tucker Carlson. The reason why they like that
lawsuit where they had to say, oh, no, one believes
Tucker Carlson, it's just kind of entertainment. Nobody really believes it.

(41:32):
They had to say that out loud because he was
straight up lying, right, like he was lying at people like, Oh,
nobody in the right mind would believe that. That's bs.
He was the number one rated show on Fox News.
I believe at the time there are people in America
that believed him to be a journalist, like he was
the news source for them. He wasn't a commentator for

(41:56):
them because he was on Fox News News. He was
an on Fox commentary, right, like CNN is CNN like
news like it's not like. That's the problem in my
opinion of all these twenty four hour news channels is
there is not a distinctive line even in their programs

(42:17):
of when they're doing news and when they're doing commentary.
And I won't even say radio is done the same
exact thing I my show, all of it. It's very
they've blored the lines to keep you hooked, right, So
this is what I do. And I've really pulled back
obviously since doing the show.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
I go local.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
I go local, and I go I go YouTube, and
I go podcasts, and I go in depth, Like I
want to listen to the entire interview. The only time
I listen to CNN, or I'll do like Dateline or
sixty Minutes or you know PBS or you know those
like in depth things on the topic that they're really

(42:55):
going in depth. Those are the ones that I want.
I don't need for this show. Obviously I'm getting the
clips and all that sort of thing, but that's for
this show, you know what I mean. But if I'm
just trying to like get in depth on something, you
gotta put in the time. And so we were talking
about that, and I feel like we live in this

(43:16):
sound bite society that things like this, and again, things
like this are not getting the freaking headline, Kim that
they deserve because if it did, if it did, it
should be plastered on every friggin news channel that there is.
So here is Donald Trump that midt that he lost

(43:39):
the line I left.

Speaker 7 (43:39):
This is a very famous chart now because this shot
probably saved my life. But this chart is showing the
arrow on the bottom shows that this was the lowest
this was the last week in office for me because
of a horrible, horrible election where I got many millions
more and I got the first time, but it didn't

(44:02):
quite make it, just a little bit. Sure, we got
to clean up our borders, we have to clean up
our elections, and we're not going to have a country.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, he didn't quite make it. He lost.
And then another one he's like, I lost by a whisker.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Is there not an entire like core case surrounding this topic.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
I mean, hello, he's had those slips before where he
said I lost the election. He said that, and then
he immediately goes back and corrects himself like he knows
he's lying.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
He knows he's lying. So then did you see okay?
And then though this is the funniest one, did you
see nickquent is going? But now you know who Nick
went is? He's like the neo Nazi guy. Now I
wouldn't normally give airtime to a neo Nazi on my show.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
But.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
It's like, if it's the meal, if it's gonna be
the neo Nazi that says it for all the other
maggots out there. Sorry, guys, Oh the magot is out there.
You can get all the airtime on my show that
you want. So here is Nick Fontes literally saying it
out loud for all of you that just don't get it.

Speaker 8 (45:24):
Here we go, before sixteen hundred people got charged.

Speaker 9 (45:28):
It would have been good to know that before I
had all my money frozen, put on no fly list,
banned from everything, lost all banking and payment processing. Would
have been good to know that before I, you know,
in twenty seventeen, dedicated my life to this as an
eighteen year old in college. Just feels like a big ripoff.
And don't get me wrong, I'm an adult. I'm not

(45:50):
it's not whining. I'm not complaining about it.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
You are.

Speaker 9 (45:53):
I'm saying you can't say those things for that reason. Like,
don't get me wrong, I don't regret anything, and we
all make our choices, and look, it didn't work out.

Speaker 8 (46:05):
It is what it is. So I'm not saying I'm
not mad saying I want those.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I'm sorry. I did that. That was my fault. Can
you put it back up?

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Oh okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
I did that my bad.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. It's Okay,
hold on, let me go back. Hold On, Let's go back.
Hold On, let's see can I do it? Hold On,
that's his stage. There we go.

Speaker 10 (46:30):
Okay, hold on, look at that expression on his face
say those things for that reason, like, don't get me wrong,
I don't regret anything, and we all make our choices,
and look, it didn't work out.

Speaker 8 (46:42):
It is what it is. So I'm not saying I'm
not mad, saying I.

Speaker 9 (46:46):
Want those years back, I want those decisions back.

Speaker 8 (46:50):
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 9 (46:52):
I'm saying that just goes to show what a tremendous
betrayal it is. It's just such a callous indifferent to
the sacrifices that his supporters made on his behalf.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
You know it is.

Speaker 9 (47:09):
People are more willing, I think, to tolerate losing than
a total betrayal.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
You know.

Speaker 9 (47:16):
It just it feels now like the whole thing and
it wasn't pointless, but that's.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
How it fits, is plotless.

Speaker 9 (47:23):
So I know everyone considers me to be an extremist,
but I'm the logical conclusion of trump Ism from twenty sixteen.
I was the Trump generation. I turned eighteen when he
became president. I was one of the first guys, one
of the first influencers in the post Trump world.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
And he's like coming to terms with it.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
You know.

Speaker 8 (47:50):
And I didn't leave the movement. The movement left me.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Oh that there was a better one though, but he
like went off on another rampaid what hold on? Hold on?
I thought there was a bad one though. He was
like going off though. He was just saying, like, how
could what was January sixth all about? You know what
I mean, Like, what what was even what was it
even worth? And I'm like, yes, what was it worth?

(48:16):
Why did you even do January sixth? That was the
point exactly.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
He said he had no regrets. It is what it is.
That means you haven't really looked at yourself. You haven't
really examined yourself. Oh it is so you're just a
crap human being. You know who did examine herself? Have
you heard of Maga Granny?

Speaker 1 (48:38):
No?

Speaker 2 (48:38):
I haven't. Speaking of looking at different sources for news,
I came across this YouTube podcast on the Midas Touch
It's called Harbor I think it's called Harba okay, and
this woman she was at January sixth, she went into
the Capitol. She has all kinds of excuses as to
why this. You know, why she did this. She was

(49:00):
told me it was okay. She believed people whatever they said,
it's okay to go in. She knew as soon as
she saw police officers getting hurt this wasn't going to
be a good deal anyway. She goes to court and
she accepts responsibility for what she did. She knows that
it was wrong. She gets two months in prison in
Dublin here in the Bay Area, serves her two months.

(49:21):
She comes out of prison, she does some she said
she's presented with facts, and when she's presented with facts,
she changes her mind on Trump to the point that
now Maga Granny is a Harris supporter and she's out
in her community. And I just thought, you wonder what's

(49:44):
going on in the minds of these people, like the
man you just showed, what's going on with them?

Speaker 5 (49:49):
They?

Speaker 2 (49:49):
How can they think this way? It's just this perplexing issue.
Here's Maga Granny.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Okay, they broke an officer was pulling on the door.
They were trying to get themselves in there that day.
I was just their video taping. I wasn't involved in.

Speaker 5 (50:04):
I never got On January sixth, are there are other
j sixers who have reached out to you and said
I want to find no.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
I wish, I keep hoping, I keep hoping.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
No.

Speaker 4 (50:16):
They like being a martyr and collecting a lot of money.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
About the money, how does that work?

Speaker 4 (50:24):
It's a give sending go, and they claim it's for
attorney fees. And so I'm trying to do research. So
far I found sixty three percent have a court reported attorney.
Why do they need this attorney this money for what?
You know? Pay their fines? I guess whatever. But the
Proud Boys attorney told me he was upset because they

(50:46):
had stole the money that was supposed to be going
to him for his attorney fees. So they're they're lying,
they're stealing money. They're I'm glad that some of the
judges have been taking it for their fines. But it's
all a scam. It's all a scam.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
Why is it important that someone like you flies the flag,
so to speak, in a place like Boise, Idaho, stands
on a sidewalk with a Harris for President sign? You
know what? Before you answer the question, I want to
roll the clip because I just I find it.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
I find it.

Speaker 5 (51:24):
Adorable and inspiring, and I'm going to stitch a few
together here because you had a few visitors here. We go, Pam,
why does it matter in a place like Idaho, which
is probably going to vote for Trump in November, to
still be out there and say you're proud to be
on the side of right and good and the side

(51:47):
of history when we end up looking back on this
era decades from now.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
I feel like I have this desperation because when you
realize that Trump is a cult leader, he's a very
anxious man. And Project twenty twenty five, oh my god.
You know it's it's like knowing that Hitler's going to
take over. You feel desperate. And when she said do something,
I thought, I can't do much, but I'll go out

(52:17):
with my sign and I got this attitude. I don't
care come throw eggs at me or whatever. I want
people to know that we're standing with her and whatever
I can do to help. And that's I can't volunteer
for the Democratic Party, like walking around because of my
physical issues like you see, I had to sit down there,
but because of the chemotherapy effect in medicine I'm taking.

(52:40):
But I thought, I just love it. I love the
fact that I'm standing up for goodness for the right
party now my way of still making amends, you know,
and hopefully, and you know, you would believe the people
that came and hugged me and with takead pictures. They
didn't know I was mega granty, though I told a few,
it wasn't for that reason. They were so happy that

(53:01):
somebody was out there with that son. They were just
jumping up and down. And you know, you saw I
took some pictures with some of them. I could have
taken about fifty people pictures. But it was just a
good feeling to be out there standing up for her.
I can't wait to do it again this Saturday. I
don't care what they say or do to me. Whatever

(53:23):
they've already threatened me. What are they going to do
to me? Just kill me?

Speaker 1 (53:26):
I mean just kill me? Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
The other thing then people.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
So she she talks about, I mean, so it's hard
to like you have to remember who she is. She was.
She was an aim and Bundy's supporter. Like she got
sucked into this like worldly, ooh, what happened to your brain?
She got sucked into the Trump thing. She was a
rabid Trump supporter, She was moved to travel to Washington,

(53:54):
d C. And take part in January sixth, she went
to jail for it. Still, somehow, after all of this,
and this is what gives me hope, Nikki, she hears
one fact and looks it up, does a little research.
This one fact is true. This one fact makes her
question another fact, and another fact and another fact. If

(54:16):
I could have found that part, I would have played
it for you. But that's when she realizes they're lying
to her, right, That's when she realizes all the stuff
she's hearing on Fox News lies, lies, lies. This is
when she realizes she's on the wrong side of this
whole thing. And so she does some research, you know,
and she has She talks in this interview about all

(54:38):
the things that MAGA people will say for certain reasons
to get you to think certain things and all of that,
how all of this is not true. And if she
can come to these terms, it gives me hope that
some other people may be able to do so as well,
and that maybe someday this country can get back to
as you said last week debating about tak and.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Today like back to policy. Back to policy. Okay, I
get what you're saying, and I do have hope with
you too, because I'd like to be an optimist along
with you. I mean, sometimes I'm a pessimist, and that's
just usually when I'm in a bad mood. But there
are certain over the past several years, you know, especially
when the QAnon and all that kind of craft. Remember

(55:21):
and when you were talking about I had to look
it up again. It was Dallas. Remember when the q
and honors were waiting for JFK Junior to reappear on
the lawn in Dallas and they were all out there.
But when was it okay? So I looked to really
do that they did it. I'm trying to look up
the article again, so you guys remember, remember they were
all out there. This was in November of twenty twenty one.

(55:44):
They QAnon believers gathered in downtown Dallas on November two
of twenty twenty one and believe that John F. Kennedy Junior,
who died remember in nineteen ninety nine, would return. And
they stood out there in the rain the cold and
kept thinking that he was going to return. And then
I'll never forget it. There were news crews out there

(56:06):
and they get they're like he's not showing up. And
then they kept They're like, come any excuses like this,
this is the problem. And this was also kind of
one of the reasons. And this was also during you
know how social media can make you believe things, like
you think that this is true because you're seeing it

(56:28):
on social media, and then you show up at a
place and all these other people are there and you're like, oh,
it must really be true, and it's like, no, crackpot,
stop believing everything you're reading online. Yes, Calvin, I know,
but you guys remember this right like it was insane,
insane And this is what I'm talking about this and

(56:50):
this is what when people say, and I mentioned this
last week, when people say you have Trump derangement syndrome. No,
it's us looking at you Trumpers and like we're pitying
you were flabbergasted. It's not has it has nothing to
do with Trump. It's us looking at you. It's do

(57:11):
you remember that story? You don't remember that story?

Speaker 2 (57:14):
More than a thousand people traveled from across the Dallas
same It was influencer who promised followers that he would
reappear JFK at Daley Plaza and then seven months later,
they went back and did it again because.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
It's insane and they would just believe it. But that
was because they'd see it online and then other people
would show up and they would think, oh, well, all
these other people are there, so it must be true.
And that's the problem with social media and using social
media as a news source, which it's not. Yeah, dude,
it's it's crazy, That's what I'm saying. Like, and when

(57:57):
you talk about like Maga Granny or whomever, and and
are looking up one thing those qan On people when
they stood in the rain and he didn't show up, I'm.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Like, dude, there's some people, when presented with the facts,
are still as boneheaded as they were the day before.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Yes, I remember, I remember looking at that on television
and being like, people are in Sae.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Calvin said, like Linus is still waiting for the Great
Pumpkin this Halloween.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Wait, nuts, man, it is nuts. But again, exactly, it's
can you imagine sitting there and being like, I'm going
to Dallas because JFK. Junior is supposed to be reincarnated
from the effing dead, And how do you sit up
across from dad or mom or uncle or cousin and

(58:51):
being like, yeah, that sounds like a great sane idea,
like and this is and I'm sorry, this is what
Trump brought us, Like no, and social media and all that.
I mean, Trump is is a product of, you know,
all these sorts of things. He's not the cause. But again,
I want to play a little bit more of Nick
points because I actually found the clip of him actually

(59:12):
losing his crap, and this is the one I wanted
to play. But again him realizing all of the crap again,
and this is the one that I wanted because he
was really, he really was nailing what everybody should be
really freaking realizing about Trump admitting that he actually lost
the twenty twenty election, because we wouldn't have been in

(59:34):
this this mess if Trump really would have just admitted
that he lost the election by millions of votes instead
of putting us through this nightmare that we actually are
still in. And I wish this freaking thing would just load,
But of course this stupid na nazi doesn't want me
to freaking have any of it, so I don't know
if it's actually gonna load, but it's okay, I'll ref Yeah, No,

(59:58):
he's in the and the funny thing is is he's
still young. And that's and the thing is and he
says it anything like I'm still young, and here we go.
He's gonna come.

Speaker 8 (01:00:09):
Anyone go to January sixth. Why is anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
That he Okay, here we go, Here we go. I
don't want to play the bspar.

Speaker 9 (01:00:19):
You he lost, but he lied to defraud the people.
That's the that's the DOJ's charge. So why did we
do stop the steal? Why did anyone go to January sixth?
Why is anyone sitting in jail? Why did anything bad
happen anybody? Why did everyone get censored? Why is everything

(01:00:41):
bad that has happened to the people that are involved?

Speaker 8 (01:00:44):
Why did that need to happen?

Speaker 9 (01:00:46):
If you're just going to walk it all back, I say,
oh I lost, Well, it would have been good to
know that.

Speaker 8 (01:00:54):
Before sixteen hundred people got charged.

Speaker 9 (01:00:57):
It would have been good to know that before I
had all my money from and put on no fly list,
banned from everything, lost all banking and payment processing. Would
have been good to know that before I, you know,
in twenty seventeen, dedicated my life to this as an
eighteen year old in college. Just feels like a big
rip off. And don't get me wrong, I'm an adult.

(01:01:18):
I'm not it's not whining. I'm not complaining about it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
And then he goes into that, but it just sounds
like it. But that's the point. It's like, what was
this all for? It was for Trump. It was because
of his pride, That's why. And there is It's as
simple as that Trump couldn't admit that he lost. It is.
It is not complicated. It is not complicated. If people

(01:01:42):
are looking for something more than surface level, some deep conspiracy,
don't bother. You don't need a shovel, you just need
your fingernail. It's that deep. Trump didn't want to admit
that he lost. That's it. It's not hard, that's it.

(01:02:02):
And all of this nonsense and and honestly, loss of
family division tragedy. Honestly, it is a tragedy. What happened
like because Trump is a sore loser. It didn't need
to happen, Like a lot of things didn't need to happen.
You know, people, And maybe I'm being a little dramatic,

(01:02:24):
but I really don't think that. I am. People died
with families divided, didn't talk to their moms, didn't talk
to their dadsdn't talked to family members, friends. They broke
up because of this, right, Like they looked at each
other and like, I can't be with you because you
believe in this or that, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Crazy, I know that happened. Yep, it's still happening because of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
This, because of a fundamental difference in reality. In reality,
so I exactly, Uncle Russ I lost a brother to
Fox News, Like that's sad. Like I don't talk politics
with my dad, Like I love my father more than anything,
but I cannot talk to him about politics or anything

(01:03:08):
at all like that, Like, but we make an agreement. Mean,
he tries to sneak crap and all the time, and
we just the moment our voices get raised because we're
identical in personality. My mom's like, shut up and we
just have to knock it off. But we can't. It's
just we can't have deep conversations about anything like that.
And it's unfortunate because I'd love to talk to him
about policy and things like that, you know what I mean.

(01:03:31):
Who's that handsome gentleman behind you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
That's Jacob Lurking in the background. How is Karate?

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
He looks like a big he looks like a man
behind you. I honestly thought, hija, I thought he was too.
I'm serious. I could not tell. I could not tell
for a second.

Speaker 8 (01:03:49):
This is the best mother in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Okay, okay, god, do you reading go to your homework.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Nobody was like standing there and I couldn't see his head,
and I was like, oh, very my god, thank you dangro.
I was like, is that I didn't want to say it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Like ten year old son who now waffles between a
men's medium and a men's large. His feet are bigger
than his fifteen year old sisters. He's just going to
be a really big man. Yeah, he's very tall.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
Oh do you get we'd be like thinking about dancing
with him at his wedding because I get always weepy
about that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
He's I know, he's he's but he's ten. He's in
fifth grade, fifth grade and this and he's huge. He's
I think he's like the tallest or if not the
second tallest, in his class. He's he looks like he's
in junior high.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Yeah, this is yeah, this is this is Jacob, my
awesome ukulele singer player. Yeah. Yes, but we don't want
to age the song. But that's him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
That's what we talked about it last week. Do we
like the piano version or the or you're.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Going to keep him young, We're going to keep him
the baby. We're going to keep him the baby. How
tall is he now?

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Oh god, oh, I don't know how tall he is?
Five five eight, you're five eight. He's probably five to
seven five six.

Speaker 10 (01:05:06):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
I know, Dylan. I'm a shorty and Dylan's almost as
tall as me. So he's getting more short. I'm breeding
short people to deal with all the tall people in
this world.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Still be almost five nine. I was like technically five
eights and three fourths, but now I'm shrinking and I
think I'm down to five five eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Now. Gravity's a bitch, you know what I mean. Gravity's
a bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Speaking of Jacob though, at his back to school night.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Oh yes, okay, so we're turning the page on politics,
goodbye politics. Yeah, let's talk about political Trump. Let's go,
let's go, let's talk about better things.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
So at the back to school night, there's two fifth
grade teachers. Yeah, and everyone's in the same room. Both
teachers are in front of the class. Okay, and to
kick this whole thing off. One of the teachers, not
my sons, but the other one says, just want to
let you guys know, if your child doesn't know their

(01:05:59):
multiple K tables.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
In fifth grade.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
In fifth gradeka, it was last year's uh you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
Do you know? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Yeah, if you don't know your multiplication tables, we can't
help you or what it doesn't apply to to you know,
miss Okay, But there are a lot of kids who
I've heard their parents say they're still struggling with it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
Yeah, okay, get a tutor.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
If I was in that class, I would have been
the kids still struggling.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
With it, right right, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
If the teacher says, you're going to have to take
care of this on your own time, you have to
get a tutor. You're gonna have to sit at the
kitchen table in and pound it in. Whatever it is.
We can't help you, we.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Need it's going to be going over it anymore in
this class.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
No imagine. And this is a school where there is
a really large percentage of people who are immigrants, who
don't speak the language, who maybe are socioeconomically disadvantaged. Okay,
And so this is this type of environment here and
I'm thinking about the parents who can't afforditude, are their expensive.

(01:07:02):
I'm thinking about the people who maybe they're working two
jobs and they don't have time, or maybe they don't
have the knowledge to sit at the kitchen table and
help their child with multiplication. Okay, and so what the
school is saying is your sol If your kid doesn't
know multiplication, then I guess they're just going to have
to sit in this classroom while everything goes whipping over

(01:07:25):
their head and no one is going to meet them
where they are because we don't have time. Well, wasn't
it the school that should have last year maybe either
held that kid back or developed a special class for
the kids that needed to be caught up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
Okay, let's ask that comments and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Just say that you're in fifth grade and now if
you don't know it by now, then then everything else
taught from fifth grade on up is going to go
over your head because you're not going to be able
to It's all built like building blocks, one on top.

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
Of them, it is, and math is definitely that. Okay,
let's ask the comments. Let's ask the screwed.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
These kids are screwed.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Should a kid be held back if they don't know
their multiple Now what is this to ten to twelve?
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
This is fifth graders?

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
No, no, no? Is it the multiplications up to twelve?
To ten to twelve? Okay? Okay? So would you hold
a kid and this is the question I'm gonna ask,
would you hold a fourth grader back if they didn't
know their multiplications? I guess fluently. I don't know what
the word would be, you know when through twelve? Okay?

(01:08:30):
Or would you expect that their parents would be able
to tutor them at home or get them an outside tutor?
Or would you expect the fifth grade teacher to fill
in the gaps? Now I'll give you my honest answer.
I have struggled in math. I have often. I've often

(01:08:51):
struggled in math. Multiplication did not come easy to me.
I will also say this, I love common I love
I have.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
I have flash cards used.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
I mean, yes, I love I actually like common Core.
Then my kids used because it makes sense to me
to learn different ways of getting to ten. Okay. I
know people hate it, but it makes sense to me
why there's different ways of learning how to get the
Maybe it made sense to you, but not all the time.
It made sense to me. Okay, So as my kids

(01:09:23):
went through elementary school, it did made sense to me. Okay.
Multiplication never came easy to me. It came easy to
my dad. I just don't it comes easy to my son.
It doesn't necessarily come easy to my daughter. My daughter's
been in tutoring. It's expensive. But I will say this,
making flash cards like you just showed me, Kim, you
can make those with you know, a thing of you know,

(01:09:44):
index cards. You can do that at home. I really
don't think there is a financial roadblock for parents, sure,
for their kids.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
What if you have one job at Burger King and
one job at the gas station? Uh, and so you've
got to leave it to the kids.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
So sit there, you have to practice every night. The
kids should be able to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
True, But I mean, I don't know. I don't know.
I just feel like there's somehow that's in some families,
this isn't going to happen, And so then you have
a kid that is just going to be passed by.
And that's what teacher Laurie says. She said, I taught
sixth grade math, and kids were screwed if they didn't
know their times tables, like that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Yeah, exactly. But at the same time, I okay, and
I'm just playing Devil's advocate because I totally agree with you,
like I feel like it sucks when but at the
same time, teachers, you can't keep teaching to the There
has to be a point where if you're at fifth grade,
we can't keep teaching fourth grade math, like you have

(01:10:45):
to have a point, a point where you have to
know this level because if not, all the kids that
know this level are being screwed out of an education.
Like right, we have to start here. You have to
know this. If you don't, then your parents need to
handle that. But if you don't, I can't keep going best.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
So this is the argument that I had with my
husband right before we came on the show. You and
I met for the show. He says no, because that
same argument, then you have all these kids that like mine,
that need more right, and they're not going to get more.
They're going to have to sit around and relearn the
same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Over and over, and then they're going over and over and.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
They're not going to be ahead. It's really rough. So
what's the right thing? And I would say it's to
pull out the kids that it's to divide, and they're
supposed to be doing this in any way. They assess everyone,
and for English and for math, they pull out the
advanced kids and send them to one teacher, and they
pull out the kids that need extra help and they
send them to the other. So that's what they have

(01:11:47):
to do. There's two fifth grade teachers and technically they
each have their own class, but for core subjects like
math and English language, they divide and conquer. Oh, take
advanced kids, okay, but even for that, they're saying, no,
you have to know your multiplication tables some really interesting Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Yeah, let me ask you this though, Okay, just before
you get to the comments. What if, and I'm gonna
go extreme right here, Kim, what if there's two teachers,
and what if you wanted to pull out the people
that were advanced and the people that wanted to do multiplication,
and then you find the multiplication people they don't even
know how to add and subtract.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Well, that's even worse.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Okay, then what do you do? But so, no, we
don't even know a bar for that. I mean, how
far do we go?

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
Well, you can't leave a kid behind.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
It's no, no child left behind, George bus That's what
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Even if you have to take the kids that need
you know, what do they call it remedial help or whatever,
and send them to a special area or maybe offer
some after school tutoring to them with the school, you
have to. Otherwise you're just sealing their fate.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
Yeah, you are, and I agree with you on that aspect.
I like public schools, Like you don't want to hold
kids back because of the social impact of it, Like
it is traumatizing to hold kids back. Like if you're
gonna hold the kid back, you do it in kindergartener
first grade, Like that's when you hold a kid back.
You don't do it in the later grades because it's
just so it is awful for a kid. I really

(01:13:18):
do think they don't. Yeah, Brian, they don't hold kids
back anymore because it is it's just it's so awful
it is keep pushing kids forward to their own detriment.
I do agree.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Can you imagine if mine got helped back? I mean
he looks like a grown man, he'd.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Be like, it'll like be Billy Madison, like what the
hell are you doing here?

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Exactly? But then again, like what if he is the
kid in the back of the class that can't adam subtract.
Oh you're muted.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
There you go exactly. You know, you don't want your
kid to be the kid that's staring at the teacher
not knowing the answer. I just watched and this is
just kind of on the same thing. I just watched
this quick video about helpless learning. Okay, and it was
this quick experiment right where they gave these these students

(01:14:06):
and I think they were college students or high school students.
They all gave them this piece of paper and the
students all they all got the same paper, okay, And
they were supposed to they were given these words, and
they were supposed to make what is it called an
anagram where they were giving a word and they were
trying to make another word out of the word, right,
So like that, it was like bat, and then you
would switch the letters to make tab or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
But other students were given longer words that were way
more difficult. You couldn't even make another word out of it.
And so the kids that were given bat, they were
supposed to raise their hand when they made a new word.
And so the kids that were given bat raise their
hands really quickly, and the other kids were like, and
so they went through it, and by the third word,
which everybody was able to do, but slower, the people

(01:14:48):
that had the harder words didn't even bother the raising
their hands and they asked them. They're like, I just
became helpless. I didn't think that I was ever going
to be able to get the answer. And so when
you start instilling it in these children early on, they
don't even want to try anymore. They don't even want
to try. And that was just in a thirty second experiment.
Think about lifetimes of that in second grade. I don't
even know what they're saying. I don't even know how

(01:15:10):
to do addition. And then you add on year after
year of being behind in something. I'm not even going
to try. I'm gonna like me, I'm gonna see kid
after kid. If the same kid come into my health office,
I would rather stare at the wall in the health
office than stare at the wall in my math class,
because at least I don't feel stupid in the health office.

(01:15:33):
That's right, That's what it is. I look at them,
I go, what's the difference, and they're like, I'm break
It's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking. I'm like, what's the difference. They're like,
I just want to hang out here, and I go,
you can only hang out here for a few minutes
then you gotta go back. And I know the reason.
I know the reason. That's the reason. You don't want
to stare at a wall in a room in which
you feel dumb, you know, And that's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
So d to be if that needs to be fixed,
that exactly, it's a waste of the teacher's time. It's
a waste of the kids time.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
There's not enough time. There's not enough time. There's not
it's not the teacher's fault. It's not the parent's fault.
There's not enough time. There's too many kids, there's it's
just it's not enough resources. It's it's hard. Brian says,
my kids in seventh got the math tutor this year.
It's way more advanced than when I was in seventh. Yeah,
and honestly, like, tutoring is expensive. I only send my

(01:16:27):
daughter to math tutoring and I've been doing it for
a couple of years. It's expensive. It's a car payment.
It's a car payment. People can barely put groceries and
pay their p Genie a bill, which by the way,
is going up again, you know what I mean, Like
and now yeah, and now and now all of a sudden,
I'm on pay for tutoring, like I'm trying to make
ends meet. Like I'm sorry, I can not everybody can.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Teacher says, my son is super smart, but he has
learning disability. It's it's got ADHD as well, and math
is just hard for some kids.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Absolutely exactly, it's it's it's really hard. Teacher Laurie says,
let them use charts when teaching stuff they need multiplication
four and give the extra ten minute times tables homework. Yeah,
I get that. I used to have LORII one of
those multiplication tables on the back of my door in
my bedroom. Still never got it. I would stare that
thing all the time. I thought, I don't know osmosis.

(01:17:19):
I would memorize it, and it was just one of
those things where I didn't put in the work. I
will admit I never put in the work like it wasn't.
It's one of those rope memorization things that I should
have just done and I didn't. I know, I didn't
put in the effort. I should have put in the effort.
It was laziness. It was totally on me. But again
it's yeah, it's just this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
What Liz says. This not that I'm against art, but
she says, in sixth grade, my son had an additional
math class instead of taking art because the teacher felt
he needed extra review. Okay, and you can take art
next year when you're caught up on math, when you
get yourself together, right, Because again again I argue that

(01:18:02):
you're sitting in math class. Everything is built on each other.
You're going to be lost for years years.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Could you use art in a way to teach math?

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yes you could?

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Could you could? You? That's what I would hate to
take away something in a way that you could teach
it in a fun way, Like that's what I think.
I feel like we take like we take these young
especially young kids, and we put them in desks and
we say learn it, learn it, learn it, and then
we take away the fun thing. We see that they
watch their friends go to art class or go to
pe or go to something fun, and we go and

(01:18:34):
they go, I don't want to learn it this way
or I can't learn it this way. And then we
find other ways, like can we break up the clay
into quarters and halves, and can we learn it this way?
And if we take two halves and we multiply, you
know what I mean? Like, can we do it in
a way? And I know it's thinking outside the box
and maybe a little extra work and a little more time,
but can we do it this way? But it takes

(01:18:55):
caring and time and exhaustion and teachers that want to
do it a different way and it's hard, I get it.
And again, teachers should be paid like football players and
they're not, and it sucks, you know, he.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
Says, sorry, he agrees with my husband. It's up to
the parents to prepare him.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Agreeeah, you can't just pass off kids to teachers and
expect them to do everything, you know what I mean?
And I do agree with your husband, Like there has
to be a level. We can't say, like, you can't
shove a fifth grader into a fifth grade class and
be like he has no his addition and subtraction start there.
You can't like, no, you have to know certain things

(01:19:35):
and if you don't know it, then you have to
teach your child before they come into my class, or
get them a tutor, or do it at home. If
they don't know it. I can't do that because I
have twenty two other kids that I have to think
about as well. And it's that's how we have to
do it. And I know that breaks my heart, you
know what I mean. But you're the parent and you

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should be the number one advocate for your and make
your kid the priority. And unfortunately in school, like all
the kids are the priority.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
If I'm expecting the school to meet my child where
he is, which would be probably above grade level, needing extra, right,
he doesn't get that he's going to be bored and
what a waste of his time. Then I also expect
it for the other end of the spectrum to meet
all kids where they are, to have different lessons and

(01:20:27):
different ditto sheets or different books or different whatever to
help people get up to par. And I know it's
not as easy as just preparing the same lesson and
that's it, right, but it's important enough that I think
it's you know, warranted.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
I mean, I hear what you're saying, but I think
that it's it's it's a pipe dream, right, it's it's
it's it's an idea that would require funding and time
and funding and and honestly, and a value of teaching

(01:21:05):
that in this country, while we have a lot of
lip service for we don't put the dollars towards you
know what I mean, Like we just don't, and people
bad mouth public education and funnel tens of thousands of
dollars towards private education, which I'm not knocking, especially as

(01:21:27):
someone who went to private school, because that was a
decision my parents made because they wanted their child to
go to a religious school, which I'm not knocking. I'm
thankful for my religious private education. I'm not knocking it.
But it's a decision. And so it's not a public school.
And so there are decisions that people make with their dollars.
There's decisions that people make when they vote, you know,

(01:21:50):
and so it's nice to say this is what should
be done, but it's not. And so when you're in
the classroom and you're like, hey, teacher, can't you address
the lowest and the highest? And they're like, I can
only do so much. Like for instance, you know, just honestly,
like working at a school and hearing what happens, like

(01:22:11):
I don't know what it is in every school, but
for instance, at my school, the teachers get one hundred
and fifty bucks. That's it. Supplies you want a hundred
fifty bucks? No, like a hundred no, not for pay,
like if you want supplies, like and I don't know
what it can go towards, Like if you want something atlas,
Like if you want I think about that, that is nothing.

(01:22:32):
I mean they obviously like we give them pencils and
everything like that, but like if you want something extra
like besides what we give you, like that's how much you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Have and it's that thing that's usually provided by the PTA, right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
I don't know where it comes from because I don't
have the budget, but like there's not a lot of
money there. It's not a lot of money, and so
it's hard to say and to look at teachers and
like even when I went back to school night for
Marlead at her high school, I was going up to
her Spanish teacher because Marley needs a lot of Spanish help.
She's doing well. But I was like, and I go
up to him, like tutoring, and this teacher literally stopped

(01:23:07):
me and she's like, we can't tutor And I knew
what she was saying. She's like, we're not tutoring. And
I knew she was saying she don't ask, I'm not
doing it, and I was like, she wasn't saying it
in so many words, but I got it. She's like,
I'm not saying after class, I'm not doing these things.
I'm doing my job and I'm leaving. And I think
it's great that teachers are making boundaries for themselves because

(01:23:30):
they have to. They have to because they're not being respected.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
She spent her own money for supplies. She brought all
of her papers home to grade. And now even after
she was done for the day and stayed late to
set up the class and get the lesson planned for
the next day, they still do that. I'm home in
grade papers all night long. Well, if she's not still
seven hour day.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
I'm sure they do. But there has to be boundaries
because they're not getting paid and they're getting burnt out.
And the thing is, if they don't send set boundaries,
all these young teachers are gonna quit in five years,
and all these older teachers that have you know, stuck
it out, they're gonna retire, and our kids are gonna have,

(01:24:11):
you know, not knocking substitutes because we need them. But
they're just gonna have this turnover, turnover, turnover. They're not
gonna build these relationships with you know, I have a teacher.
She's a pea teacher, and I think she does other classes.
She's been there for forty years. Yeah, I mean that's awesome.
She just had somebody come in the other day that,
you know, the kid or the kid kind of thing.
You know, that's what you want to see. You're not

(01:24:34):
gonna see that if these teachers burn out so they
need more money. It's a thankless job, and it's it's
a rewarding job, but it's a thankless apping job. So yeah,
set boundaries freaking disconnect and it's crazy. Donna says, funding
for that kind of targeted teaching us much to our detriment,
and who suffers first the kids, then society as generations

(01:24:56):
of inequality drag us all down here here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Yeah, exactly, That's why it's so important. And so I'm
sitting there in the back to school night thinking what
about those kids, probably the parents that needed that to
hear that aren't even out back to school night. Oh right,
they're out there working that second job. What happens to
those kids?

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Yeah, I mean it's crazy and just says, that's the
reason why I left teaching now a bookkeeping in a
county business. Teaching is like the hardest job. It's and
it's crazy, it's it's I have such respect for teachers,
you guys know that. And now that I can get
to see it kind of up close, it's nuts. Yep,

(01:25:37):
it's nuts. Cheryl says, oh, what did you say? And
then the super wealthy that my daughter was up against
had major tutors and they could afford it. Yeah, you know,
the sat P SATs. And then you have the richie
riches that just pay to get their kids in college.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Right, they don't have to take the test.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
Yeah, they didn't have to take the test at all.
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