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Speaker 1 (00:07):
All right, you guys, you see us in the same
closes last week because we just continued the conversation. We've
got something else to talk about. So welcome to the
nth degree with Nubia and Neiper. We need to talk
about this.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
This is a topic we need to talk about. And yeah, yeah,
you titled it h.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Is it a curse or a consequence?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Is it a curse or a consequence?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Right? Because there, I mean, there's so many things that
have been coming up lately. And I was in a
business training with Christian Deval and some She's like, you
can't just cur you can't just assume everything is a
curse and everything is the enemy that's coming against your business.
When you make a stupid decision, you're just going to
reap consequences. So she she said, I'm going to come
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up with a shirt that says you can't test the
do a lot of stupid.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
She's a brilliant woman.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
She is.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I really so esteem her. But really, people, do you
not fall for the enemy telling you that everything is
a curse. Listen to people, if you're in Jesus. The
Bible says that a curse cannot alight unless there's a cause. Yeah,
And I go to God and say, what's the cause
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of this? Was I stupid? Did I operate in rebellion?
Did I operate in my own immaturity?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Did I just simply make a mistake, or did I
simply make a mistake. Did I go in a direction
that wasn't the right one? It's not a sin. It's
like you, I'm going to try this, especially in business,
you guys, especially in business. I'm going to try this
because it feels I think this is right. I think
I've got clarity on this. I think I'm going to
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go with it. And it doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Guess what.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
You actually just reduce the number of failed times to success,
so you're you actually made the odds better that the
next time you're going to succeed. So it's hardly good.
But then you know, like we said, there's there's stupidity,
there's just simple making mistake. The enf doesn't need to
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get all of the credit for being against you all
the time. Yes, of course there is an enemy and
in fights against you, but if you're preyed up, you
got your armor on just as the lord.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Okay, so here's another thing. I you're going to make
a mistake. Get over yourself. You're going to make a mistake.
Please people, get over the fact that you're not perfect.
You're going to make a mistake. And when you make
a mistake, you must take hold of the grace that's
offered to you mm hm. And you have to forgive
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yourself or else you're going to make the same mistake again.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
So you're going to carry shame, regret, guilty.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Yisper and that's not going to serve you either.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
It leads to a cycle, a demonic cycle. At that
point of shame, guilt and shame guilt, and you never
go forward. You get completely paralyzed and stuck. So if
you make a mistake, and accidents aren't from God, but
accidents can be opportunities. If you made a mistake, really truly, wow,
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God didn't see that coming. Go to God with it.
Let him talk to you about it. One of my
biggest mistakes I recently. I've had many, but one of
my recent mistakes, it was kind of a large thing
because it's set up a series of events and I'm like, Lord,
I am like blindsided by these consequences and what just happened.
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And the Lord said, well, yeah, you followed the suggestion
of an AI algorithm instead of coming to me about that.
And I was like, oh my, that is the truth
of God. I did do that. Lord. Immediately I repent
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for doing that, and I thought to myself, what if
I had never asked the Lord? Why did this just
blow up in my face? I would have never learned
this incredible, very timely modern situational aspect of AI wants
to be a false holy spirit. And if you're in Christ,
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you ain't got ears for that thing. You need to
check in with the Lord and go okay, I'm doing this,
because you know, it was in one of those modules
that was like okay this and then do this and
then do this and all of that's an algorithm and
it's about building a program about a teaching and do
this and do this, and about a newsletter and about
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this and by that, and so I just I was like, okay,
well that seems to be next thing, and I I
should have stopped and ask the Lord. But it's my
great moment of joy because I learned so much. He
taught me so much from that, and also he gave
me a healthy respect of AI is a spirit. There's
a spirit behind AI.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
People.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
If you don't know that yet, let me be the
first to tell you, because there's a spirit there that's
going to use AI. Therefore, you and Christ must have perception, discernment,
the secret place, hearing the word of God, and the
willingness not to follow that thing blindly because you heard
from the spirit of wisdom and the spirit of truth.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Yeah, it's so funny, I was.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
I don't want to get too far off, so I'm
only going to go down this little rabbit trail. This
is a little rabbit trail II, and.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Then we'll come back to the curses and consequences. So
I was.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I asked the Lord about trading floors because I was
doing a teaching on Melchizedic and how he set up
the original trading floor for Tithe and why that trade
floor is so important, And I just said, Ai, I
just wanted it to do some research for me. Show me,
you know, give me the instances in the Bible where
there are trading floor set up, you know, da da da.
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And it came back with some Pentecostal teachers or whatever.
He's a charismatic teacher. Whatever it was, what some blah
blah blah teachers say that there are trading and I
rebuked AI.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I said, that is.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
So not true that Jesus came as a trade. He
came to die for our say. I told AI, and
I typed it. I'm like, I told AI, and it
came back with ow, you're right. I am so sorry.
I will never sideline the idea of trading ors again.
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It is foundational to the Christian faith.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
You know.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Hell, it would totally like I got.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
I will not apologize for trading through Jesus exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Okay, that was my rabbitry.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Like I said, one more thing about that we'll go
back to consequences. Okay, okay, So sorry we got off
on AI. But I like there are moments where I'm like, okay,
I just need an AI factual question. I'm looking for facts.
I have one platform that I used to only use
that platform getting to know it. It's perplexity. I like
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it because it shows you where they got their information.
But anyway, so, but but be careful because the delusion,
the deception and the spirit behind AI will have you
asking a question that you should ask Holy Spirit, and
that is the spirit of truth speaking right there. That
is true, What Holy spirit says.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So true, true, true. Okay, coming back to curses and consequences,
here's another thing that I've noticed is that people want
to take everything to the courts of heaven and oh
my gosh, I was rebuked somewhat lightly, but still a rebuke.
Do not bring frivolous law cases in these courts.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
These are a real place.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
We cannot clog up the courts with these frivolous things
that don't even make any sense. And so you need
to discern that's the very thing. If if what's going
on in your life is a consequence of a mistake,
if what's going on in your life is a consequence
of a wounding, you are operating out of a false
belief that has built these the story and you have
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these false filters on, so you're not actually seeing the situation.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
True.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
That's a that's a wounding that's operating out of a
false belief system. That's not a court case, people.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
It's also operating out of the soul realm.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It's exactly, it's a it's a wounding a soul. Even
if it's a part a soul part, that's all. It
requires innerhaling, It requires the the healing of.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Jesus, not a scentilation of a curse.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I could say pretty across the board, do not take
your inner healing issues to the court.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Inner healing is for the secret place, because you must
work with the Godhead to get healed if you need.
If you are aware that you have an issue that
you can't control and you're always being triggered about it,
as Dan Deval says, that's your opportunity to go to
the Lord and say, why am I getting triggered in
this area? How do I get free of this? Your
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freedom is only going to manifest in Jesus because he
gave freedom when he made access to the Father. But
what you really need is you really need his touch
is to hear truth. You need to hear him a
court room case. On the other hand, like brilin Is
brilliantly told us, it's for the very weighty matters. And
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you know, Brilint you mentioned this before, and I think
we need to say it out loud. Bloodline generation curses
are taken care of in the courts, but not everything
that you're undergoing comes from a bloodline. It could come
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because you believe a lie.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
And yours believed to lie in their parents believe to lie,
and it's all of it.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, right, right, and so you always work with you first,
and then as Holy Spirit reveals, this is in your blood,
it's in your bloodline, and there are a lot of
things that are That's how iniquity got established in the
earth realm. It came through the fallen state of mankind,
and iniquity came into the earth realm through cane.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, and I would say anything that's coming generationally is
more than likely iniquity rather than a curse, because really,
if you think about how does a curse happen, it
happens if.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
You literally invoke.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
The satanic realm, the demonic realm around something.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
So if your family.
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Had been involved in freemasonry or pagan whatever all, then
that's a ritual that had been done that.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Could have cursed the family line.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I get that, but most people that's not what they're
dealing with. Most people is just generational iniquity, which is
actually you just agreed to a false thing because somebody
along the line got wounded and say, okay, they made
an intervow. Okay, I'm never going to do this, and
so for on now on, our family is going to
be this. We're the ones on the other side of
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the tracks, and it just doesn't happen for us. So
stop trying to be a success in your life. We're
just relegated to the lower levels of society. You know,
all of those kind of fear based, shame based, all
of that came and all of a sudden, now the
whole family line is doing.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
And you see it repeated generator.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And they started coping mechanisms of alcoholism or whatever because
they tried to make themselves feel better.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Because we're just a family who did this. That's all iniquity.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
That's not aiquity, so it's that's not a curse. Good explanation.
The iniquity of the bloodline is because someone in the
bloodline likely made a vow out of a trauma that
they didn't take to God. Right stop right there. So
this is how the spirits of poverty work. This is
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how the spirit the lying spirits, familiar spirits on a bloodline,
family spirits are Why are they at work? Why are
they allowed to work? Because there's an iniquity. Some ancestor
did this, and until the iniquity is repented for the
legal right of that enemy to bring, not necessarily the curse,
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but the continuation of the iniquity. And so you have
to deal with the iniquity. Listen, God is God, He
knows all things. He will tell you if you ask
him what iniquities are at work in my life. And
when he tells you, please know this, you're speaking to
a holy God. If he tells you, he expects you
to be the one to pray to deal with that. Yeap,
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that is a court case.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
You can be the cycle breaker, right.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
But I think we don't have the reverent fear of
the Lord. Often we throw these casual questions to God.
He's so good and faithful that he'll answer, and then
we kind of like shruck, what the heck are we thinking?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Tell me more, Donna give me.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
We have a we have a kingdom to manifest. We
are an army, and on top of that, we're the
victorious army exactly. And so these things get in our
way and we have to deal with them. And the
blessed thing is that if you'll deal with them, you
have just closed the door to that stupid evil spirit
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for your children, your children's children, their children and on
into the bloodline. Hallelujah. God is so good.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Yep, yep, so good. So that's that's a thing.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
So if you are experiencing a setback, a failure, uh,
you know, a cycle of you know, the refrigerator broke down,
and then the car broke down, and then my dog
puked all over my new thing, and then my big
you know, like, oh, okay, Lord, what's going on here?
Don't assume, oh my gosh, the enemy has a curse
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against me. I've got to you know, go to the
courts of I'm like, no, no, no, there there's probably
something you came into agreement with or or there's a
you're operating in a wound.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Or and here's a big one. This is people are
going to turn this off when they hear this, the
one I hope not.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
You may be in sin, yeah, exactly, it's a consequence.
It's a consequence of behavior. Yep, it's your sin.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
You got to own it. You got to ask to
be cleansed of it. Guess what the good news is
that Jesus made it way for that to happen. But
it's on you people, It's on It's right here on
your shoulder. You've got to go. I mean, and God
is so merciful, he's so good. I'm just going to
be totally transparent for a second. Okay, Lord, here we go.
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I came into agreement with a godly person and she
was I didn't know it at the time, but she
was expressing a truth mixed with a wound, and I
wasn't discerning it, and I came into agreement with what
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she was saying about some people in the Body of Christ.
This almost makes me weep because I'm finally on the
other side of this huge opportunity for a lesson of
growth and maturity. And so while I needed to have
the truth that she was expressing, I also came into
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agreement with the filter of her own wound. And out
of my own mouth, I cursed the body of Christ.
I cursed an expression out of my own mouth. I
did it all soulishly, self righteous and blah blah blah,
and I experienced the consequence of that sin. The consequence
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manifested itself on my physical body, and it was It
went on for like three or four months, and I'm
crying out to the Lord, Lord, why am I having
this issue? Lord? Why am I having this issue? Why
am I having this issue? I'm a person who get dreams.
I didn't get win dream. Not when I usually get visions,
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I usually get knowings. I didn't get one perception, not
one until one day after I had been crying out
to the Lord, Lord, why is this happening in the body,
I had this inkling. It was an inkling. I need
to go back and look at when this started. I
went back to my calendar and I pinpointed the exact weekend.
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And as soon as I did, I was like, oh
my god, I am a sinful person. I suddenly saw it.
I saw what I did. I saw how I was deceived.
I saw what I thought I was agreeing with. I
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saw what I said, and the Lord said, in that moment,
you released bullets against the thing I love, because I
love my body, and I love my church, and I
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love my people that are working hard, and you just
it's like you machine gunned them. And I was undone.
I was undone, and I was like, Lord, I can't
argue with you. You are the true truth.
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I did do that.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I did it. I so did it, and I'm so sorry,
and I so need to your forgiveness because without your forgiveness,
I can't I can't get healed. I can't get right
with you. Lord. I am a mess, which you forgive me.
And you know, the grace of God is so good.
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I knew I had a thimbleful of this much truth
in that very moment when I said that to him,
and I said it out loud, that he forgave me,
I had this much forgiveness. And he told me later,
he said, you've got this much forgiveness. You're going to
have to let me feel your thimble. You're going to
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have to see that. Yes, you pierced my heart with
your words, but I want you not to carry that around.
I want you to lay it down and I want
you to receive a cup of grace, a cup of
forgiveness of that of do you see what I'm saying?
And it took me several days because my heart was
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broken because I did that, and I did that to
the body whom he loves, and I just it just
undid me. But it was the bit, one of the
bigger moments of opportunity of growth that I went through.
And then after that, I asked the Lord to heal
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me now after I repented, and do you know he
didn't heal me right away, because I was paying some
consequences for me personally. It was serious, and the consequence
of my lack of pausing before a holy God and
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asking him had unleashed a series of events. And I
was literally playing the consequences of my own sin. And
God is a big god. He knew the level of
the temperature of this thing, you know that was going on.
He never removed his hand from me, but he kind
of did because I was suffering, and I knew in
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my spirit, I'm not going to suffer anymore. I'm going
to be strong in my spirit. I'm unforgiven. And so
I started to ask him to cleanse me, wash me,
fill me again, anoint me again, and healed my body
very very very very slowly. I begin to very incrementally
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make baby steps toward health in that area. And I
guess I'm sharing this because sometimes we Christians fall into
sin and we forget that God considered that a sin
and he has to show us. But he's a good
father and he will show us. Yes, So follow the
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inklings in your spirit, follow how he might be answering
if you are thinking, if you're asking him for a
bunch of blessings and a bunch of things, and in
this one area, something's not budgeting. You might be in sin.
You might need to repent, and a heartfelt repent tense
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changes everything. Because he's willing to forgive. He's his will
is to forgive you. That's why Jesus took his blood
to the mercy se. It's there eternally for you, but
you have to go. You have to go to it.
You have to recognize your need for it. You have
to say I didn't see that coming, but I did that.
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You have to own it, and then you have to
repent and turn it back on it. So out of
that that we've talked about several things. Some things are consequences,
Some things are iniquity, are bloodline issues. Some things are
for court cases, and some things are forgetting in the
secret place before a holy God and saying I'm human
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and I'm made a mistake. I'm human and I had
this accidental thing happened. I didn't understand this or or
show me where I was sinful before you, And he'll
show you because he wants to clean you, he wants
to restore you, he wants to put you back together
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and help you.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Ah so good.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Donald thank you for being vulnerable and sharing.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, you're welcome. I think it's just a message of
the hour, and we have to encourage each other in
the Body of Christ. It's not always the enemy's fault.
Was he at play somewhere? Yeah, because he's the destroyer,
comes to kill, still and destroy. Was he my ultimate
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deceiver in that very moment? Yes, But I'm also a
maturing son of God and Jesus, and so he had
an expectation of me that I failed him him, And
because he's a loving god, he disciplined me. Well, you
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only discipline those you love. Fact of the universe. So
I'm loved, and You're loved, and we are loved, and
the Body is loved. Let me tell you, the Body
of Christ is loved in her immaturity, in her sometimes
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under all of her troubles and suffering. The Bride of Christ,
both corporately and individually, is highly valued and.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Loved, very true, and he loves us so much that
he wants us healed, He wants us maturing, like you said,
And in order for us to pour out, we need
to step up. And I know that we talked about
this last week, but the world needs us. The world
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needs us healed and whole and operating in truth. And
so do the work.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Understand what's going on correctly, don't make assumptions, and do
the work that it takes.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And if it's a court case, so be it.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
If there's something legal, the legal thing that, so be it.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Then learn how to do courts of heaven and do
it or call us up. You can get a hold
of us.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, yeah, but take a look. If it's consequences, takes
a look. If it's consequences of sin, a mistake, you
know what. I however, you want to look, or a
generational iniquity or just an iniquity, you know. So that
was really good, Donna. I think we're gonna keep this
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one short because last week's was so long.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I know we probably should.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
All right, very good, so share this episode out. I
think it's really important that we not clogged the courts
of heaven and that we understand that not everything is
a curse.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Like bless you. We bless you audience to hear the
spirit of truth. We just bless you to be covered
filled with dance inside of the spirit of truth. Walk
with the spirit of truth. The spirit of truth is
your inheritance, and the spirit of Truth has a voice,
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and the spirit of truth knows all things, and the
spirit of Truth loves you and cares for you. It's
your best and we do too. We bless you with that.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Absolutely Okay, until next time, take you to the ends.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
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