Episode 308 - Chaplain Jodi Dehn - The Odyssey Files Radio

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H w I I go, goodinninge Paranormal Community, and thank you for

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taking in the three hundred and eighthepisode of The Odyssey Files. I'm your
host Michael O'Neil with me barely,but as always is my co host,
mister David Surrey. Good Inning,Dave. I gotta remember to turn my
volume down, well you should,or pull it out of my ear.
I gotta you would think after threehundred eight episodes, I would know better,

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especially since I've been doing the sameopening every time. I mean it's
a little different, like the cadenceor the tone or the octave. Yeah,
well when we first started, youweren't doing that, but it's for
about the last hundred episodes you have, so you think I'm no for the
last like five years, not thelast one hundred episodes episode although one of

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these days and I I can't.I know I'm gonna do it, and
I want to do it, butit has to be like the perfect show,
like I have to feel it.But I'm seriously just gonna come on
and just gonna be like good evening, Paranormal Community. How are you like,
I'm just so like low key andand and and you know, like

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the Twilight Zone, you know typetype thing, and I'm not gonna tell
anybody when I'm gonna do it.I shouldn't have even said that because I'm
foreshadowing, but I wanted. Iwanted to throw out there that, uh,
you know, a big change iscoming. Well, it's just gonna
be a one week thing. Imean, so I can't say a big

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change, a big surprise for everybodyfor for well what I just told you
what it was. It's like Itold you we're going to have a surprise
party for you, but I'm notgoing to tell you when we're going to
have a surprise party for you,gotcha. So that that's what I'm talking
about. It's awful, thank you. I'm looking forward to it, but
I haven't felt it yet, kindof like you in crop circles, you

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haven't felt it. No, we'llget back. Don't worry about it,
man, We'll get back to cropcircles. Oh I know, I don't.
I've got my whole thing's already done, and I've got great arguments of
why crop circles are legit. Andit's not just two dudes from fricking London
running around creating crop circles. No, no, I get it. I
get it. But you know,for some for some reason, you went

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so down, so far deep intothe rabbit hole. Like now you're uh,
you're nervous, you're nervous about uhreopening that that whole. Yes,
I went so deep. I honestlydid. I did a deep dive on
that one that I barely made itback up for her. So I'm just
taking a hiatus a little bit.Make sure make sure your your your consciousness

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is sound and stable, make sureeverything's okay before I do it. Yeah,
so before we get into listener stories, two things. One, a
phenomenal show for everybody. Great guestscoming in the second hour. Uh,
Jody Dane chaplain who is very proficientin angel communication. That is going to

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be our main main topic. Butthen she has uh she was on a
couple of weeks ago briefly the onlyguest who after we say good night did
not leave. That's right. Wellit was funny because she hung out and
she was just like having a goodtime listening to the show and stuff.
So but like while still on theshow, Yeah, well it wasn't like

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she's like, oh I'm done andI'll go listen to the show the rest
of the show. No, shewas right here with us. Only time
has ever happened. But yeah,it's yeah, that was fine. But
she's coming back. We're talking aboutangel communication and then she has, uh,
she's an event coming up, whichI know just this location brings up

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tons and tons of questions for forfor you and me. But she's got
an event coming up in August,I believe at Mount Shasta with Psychomedium Sarah
the mos. So yeah, sowe're gonna be talking to her about that
as well. So a lot ofgreat, great things and a fellow Minnesotan,
uh, Minnesota, miss it's JodyDane and I it's a good thing.

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I asked her how exactly to pronounceit, because even though I knew
it was something other than Dan,Yeah, I thought I thought I thought
it was Dean. I was offon that that one, so good good
thing, I asked. The secondthing that I would like to bring up

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is an update in a not positiveway, uh, for my at least
from what I know, unless somebodyknows differently, for my attempt to create
a god so many many or notjustly many many weeks ago, but weeks

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ago, when Anthony was on andour our thing. I proposed, let's
try and do the topa, youknow, a thought process, and let's
create a god or a demigod atleast known as Fisto, the god of
all traffic. And so I haveI have revamped how I do it.

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So now every time I go througha yellow light, instead of just kissing
my palm and slapping the thing,now I do that. But then I
put my hands up like I justmade a touchdown, you know, and
I'm like, praise the festo,and you know, on I go.
And I have not done it.Yeah, I have not done it.
Just see see it's your lack ofcommitment, Dave, that is ruining my

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experiment. Let me just point outthat if you go back and listen to
the show, I clearly stated thatI was not participating. So yes,
everybody, everybody participate that I wasnot going to create and participate in the
creation of a demi god. AllI'm saying is this topa, this creation

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that we are all going to dothat I am trying to do. Anyway,
It's gonna be great for all ofus because you make you make your
your what what am I looking forhere stupidity. No, that's not it,

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not not even remotely. But okay, good just asking because that's first
thing popped into my head. Goodtry though, But no, your tribute
there we go. So let heradjacent anyway. So basically what you do,
just to reiterate this, anytime yougo through a yellow light, you
you should pump, slap the thingand praise the best o, the god

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of all traffic. And if yougo through three yellow lights in a row,
and I might add I've gone throughI think four, if not five
in a row since I created this. And that's how I know it's not
working because FISTO is supposed to rewardyour your your tribute by giving you a
better sex life, and that hasnot happened. So I know that nobody

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is doing it, at least noton the scale that we need to.
So people two things. Number one, maybe he's the gift he's giving you
is the gift of survival for goingthrough yellow lights. And number two sounds
about as intelligent as playing the tallchords trying to release pan in the cave.

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I don't agree with you. Probablyyou would only get that reference.
I don't know if our fans will, but but mine knows what it means.
I do know what it means.And and I stick my fist in
your general direction for comparing what I'mtrying to do to what they did.

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Yes, so thank you, Ispit in your general direction. But yeah,
so we're trying. I'm still trying. I'm putting my effort in are
you you're you're not? But Iknow it's so not anyways, So I

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just want to give an update onthe failure of that so far. But
the like h Q in Star Trek'snext Generation, the trial continues and will
continue to move on. All right, David, Yes, are we are
we ready for tonight's stories mail bag. It's proud to present the mail bag.

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So I would like, just,real quick an explanation of tonight's stories,
because it really seemed to be thatyou pick these specifically to either give
me a seizure or a nervous twitch. Well, I knew you'd love number

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one. I wasn't taking it.I took number two to save you from
the gravity of that one. Ilove number three. It's absolutely great.
I think that's a great question inthe story. Is that is that number
four is good? Number five isperfect for you by the time you get

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there after your first two, whenyou get to number five, you're going
to just be all over it.And then number six is kind of cool
because it's something brand new for us. We don't get a lot of stories
that deal with that, well,right, No, I understand that number
six is probably the only legitimate onethat looks like so I think they're all
good. But no, no,and everybody who's listening at any point in

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time will agree with me on this. I really hope that you're I think
number three is an amazing story,is said with the same sarcasm as I
think fisto is a good idea.Not quite down the same level, but
not far off. I think it'sin the same zip code. All right,

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just put that way let's start.Okay, looks fun? Or number
one. I bought a haunted dolland need advice. Hello, friends,
I bought a haunted doll and shecame in yesterday. Her name is Norma.
I'm having trouble talking to her.I'm new to more of the paranormal

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side of things. I've been apracticing witch for four years or so,
but I've never really tried communicating withspirits or anything. Any tips on communicating
with her and her communicating back willbe appreciated. I'm sure you're going to
start the show. I'm you knowwhy, because I'm going to bring that

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up to Jody. It's one ofthe questions tonight. That's why I chose
that story about whether or not spiritscan inhabit really inhabit dolls, or whether
that's just a much more I seewhat she thinks. Well, in this
case, I really don't think agood or ma'am, that you can legitimately

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go on eBay, I'm sure iswhat you did and buy a so called
haunted doll and then be surprised confusedwhen what you try to do with this
hanted doll, like communicate with itdoesn't work. Did anybody like train you

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in witchcraft or did you just reada book and be like, all right,
I'm a practicing witch Because that alot of people get their start like
that, well they shouldn't. Well, I totally understand that I'm saying.
I think that a lot of peoplewho say there won't just get their start

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like that. A lot of peoplethat say their paranormal investigators or ghost hunters
get their start like that too,sure, and you know how much I
love those people as well. AndI've and let me be clear, because
we've had we've talked about witchcraft,to talked about paganism, We've had witches
on the show. I have nothingagainst witchcraft or witches or anybody who wants

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to follow the pagan religion in anyway, shape or form. My issue
is people, and this includes thesupernatural and it includes witchcraft. And as
I'm sure any legit like Jody,not not Tonight's Jody, but Jody Jacobson,
who's been on the show a coupleof times, would say, I
do appreciate or like people who justgo and do shit and call themselves what

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that is. Like, I'm goingto go out and I'm gonna nail this
board in my fence. Therefore Iam a construction worker. No, you're
not. You you know how wellwhatever, you nailed something into a board,
that's construction anyways. Yes, Andnow you're trying to go into the

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paranormal side of things. Why,I don't know, because I don't know.
Now that interests you? And nowyou're wondering why you can't talk to
a haunted doll. Honted dolls justin general, Like there's no haunted dolls
out there as far as I'm awarethat, Like, we'll sit down and

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have a conversation with you, Robert. The doll does not talk to you.
Annabelle does not talk to anybody.She just right. They they do
their shit magical ways. They makeyou have bad luck, they make you
do shit to yourself, they youknow whatever. They don't sit down and

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have interviews. I wish they would, because I would invite one on the
show. So my advice is tostop trying to communicate with the doll because
you're's never going to happen in away that you think it's going to.
If there is a spirit, it'snot suddenly going to you know, get

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up and walk over to you andbe like is it time for breakfast?
Not going to happen. So Iguess you need to get over this this
whole I'm stick you know, thingthat that you're that you're doing where like
supposedly a haunted doll is going totalk to you, because it's not.

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And honestly, I want full kudosfor myself because I think I kept it
under wraps someone Okay, I keptit eighty percent professional. Right, you
did a good job. Thank you. I appreciate that, and that's all

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you gotta say. So, firstof all, the only thing I want
to say about this is I knowa handful of witches, and every single
one of them has some sort ofability to communicate with spirit. So whether
it's for guidance or whether it's justjust because they have abilities, or they're

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playing with things, going places,doing stuff that draws the interest of spirits.
So to be a practicing which forfour years or so, I'll never
have any type of communication with spirit, I don't know if I believe that,
or if I believe that, thenyou're not practicing witchcraft. You're just

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reading some books and dabbling, butyou're not really practicing witchcraft. So anyway,
that said, I think that youneed to be careful because even if
the doll's not haunted, once again, it's the conscious thought. So if
you think the dolls haunted, andyou think the doll's going to talk to

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you, and you focus all yourenergy on that sooner or later, and
hopefully it's later, that doll's goingto start communicating with you, and it's
not going to be what you wantit isn't going to be like, hey,
let's sit down and have tea andcookies. It's going to be telling

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you things, being your best friend, and then it's going to be your
best friend that tells you that youneed to go kill the neighbor's cat because
it doesn't like it, or thedog because it parks too much, or
something like that, and then it'sgoing to get even worse from there.
So I think the best thing todo is just put the doll on a
shelf with other dolls and just letit be a display piece or something like

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that. If you like dolls,like, if you're a doll collector type
of thing, perfectly fine. Ifyou're not a doll collector, then just
don't. Then just give it tothe Goodwill or something. I have an
amazing idea. Okay, the dollcan be the physical body for Fisto.

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Absolutely not. So you need tostop calling normal and you call it Fisto
the God of all traffic, andthis person and me can channel our thoughts
towards this doll and turn it intothe god of all traffic. Maybe this
is your long lost love. Maybethis will be like the bridging of a

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beautiful relationship behind the doll, andthen you manifesting this and this demigod into
her doll, and then you twoliving happily ever after with the Demnoconqua doll
running around. That's what I'm saying. See now, if we do this
and I go through three yellow lights, maybe this the owner of Pisto,

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the doll, god of all traffic, will reward me with the better sex
life with the owner, right,That's what I'm saying. And then you,
as the paranormal investigator, it candocument the dolls demonic activity. I
mean, that's a perfect relationship foryou. I'm saying. I'm saying it
now. The universe it's coming togetherfor you. It's it's all coming together.

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That's all coming together, buddy,I can feel it, my goot.
All right, So moving on.I have a ghost cat and I
don't know why it's here. Hey, guys, For quite a while,
or for quite a few years now, I have been living with a ghost
cat. It started out as I'mfeeling like something that like a cat,
crawled slowly into bed with me onenight. I will also feel brushing against

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my legs as and as I activelylook, nothing is there. On some
occasions I see it, it's asmall black, shadowy mass with little pointy
ears. Sometimes it's just a smallblack mist. I will hear it run
past me, and here very obviouspaw prints scattering on the wooden floor.
It does not feel malicious or bad, but it will not leave. Being

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that I'm at that, I amat one of the lowest points in my
life. I am seeing and feelingit even more. I'm not sure what
to make of the situation. Anyopinions, answers, or whatever would be
greatly appreciated. Clues. Sorry,any opinions, clues, or answers would
be greatly appreciated. Thank you.Okay. So here's what I think.

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I think that you're at one ofthe lowest points in your life, and
that this entity came to you tobring joy into your life and happiness and
to give you something to take awayfrom your low vibration level and let you
have a little bit of joy andbring your vibration level up. And I

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think you're looking at this gift thewrong way. So I think the cat
is there to bring you comfort,and you're not getting comfort out of it.
You are confused and probably a littlefearful and it's obviously not accomplishing what

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it's there for. So I thinkyou need to back up. You need
to accept the cat being there.I think that once you raise your vibration
level, and once you become morepositive, and once your life gets better,
I think that the cat's going tomove on, and I think that
that's going to be a beautiful thing. And I think that when the cat

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moves on, that's going to bea sign for you that things in your
life are better. And that's allI got. Well, I couldn't disagree
with you more, Dave. Iunderstand that I knew that was coming up
totally, so I'm not sure thatit's a cat at all. But my

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first thought was that you're encountering likea mouse that scurries across the floor and
stuff like that. However, itchanged my mind when he said it's the
lowest point of his life and nowhe's experiencing the cat even more. That
is because the cat is causing it, and now that he's sinking lower,

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the cat gets emboldened. It's ademon cat, so to speak. Although
I still I'm just calling it catjust for just because that's kind of what
the story is about. I honestlydon't think that it's a cat. I
think it's taken that type of shape, yes, but I don't believe that
it is actually in the spirit ofan animal. I do think I am

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being serious though, and saying Ithink that this black mask, or whatever
the hell it actually is is,is the cause of what is going on,
and that as the vibration of thisperson sinks lower, obviously the bolderness
of this entity gets gets bigger.I uh, I would say, get

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rid of it, like I wouldcleanse the house, bless the house,
do whatever you have to in orderto get rid of it. And I
think I'm just going to leave.I don't have much. I don't know
much more than I can say.I honestly don't think that it's a cat,

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just because ghost cats this ghost animalsin general don't typically stick around for
years like that's that's a lot ofenergy that an animal would not know so
so much for that period of timein order to manifest like that over and

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over and over again. This isa real cat, I just said it.
I don't think it's a real cat. No, I don't either.
I never said I thought it wasa real cat. I said it's a
it's a spirit that is trying toraise your vibrational level, just taking on
the form of a cat. Well, I sorry, I once you started

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talking about how this cat thing wasbringing to comfort, I stopped listening.
I appreciate that. A great conversationlater down the road when you say that,
I haven't hear that it's wrong anyway, But anyways, fair enough.

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But if that is it, it'sfailing miserably because he this person seems to
be sinking lower over the years.First of all, I think it's a
lady. But but either way,whether it's male or female, I don't
think I think that the I thinkthey're doing it to themselves. I think
that I think that the spirit isthere to help them. It's taking the

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form of a cat, maybe becausethey like cats, and uh, and
they're just not they're not accepting it. And so it's it's working in reverse
of what it's supposed to be doing. Is what I feel. Well,
it's definitely working. Yeah, it'sthe demonic entity that is pretending to be

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a cat. I don't I justsaid demon cat because I just like seeing
demon cat. But I don't think. I don't think it's demonic. I
do. However, like I said, I think it's malicious either that or
it's a boltergeist. And as thisperson puts more and more negative and in

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raw energy and emotion out there,so too does this this cat. Because
if you're right, and they likecats, maybe that's how it's starting to
show itself getting bigger. Well,apparently it makes sense that it would be
getting larger if it was. Well, it's definitely getting more and more frequent,

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so maybe it's not so much sizeas it is frequency or consistency.
Yeah, but either way, Ithink we both well you don't this is
I think we both agree it shouldbe getting rid of But no, you're
wrong, that's not correct. Wedon't agree on that one. I think
that you should get rid of itimmediately. Dave thinks you should accept it.

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Right, So, uh, Iguess it's up to you who you
want, who you want to gowith. I'm glad that we could be
of absolutely no help. I thinkthat's two legitimate observations from us, and
I think that whatever one makes moresense to you is the right answer for
you. I agree, or geta third opinion, Get a third opinion

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to totally dismiss ours. Not somuch dismiss it, but I mean,
like call in somebody calling like apsychomedia, somebody who would be able to
be able to read the energy andbe able to tell you which way it's
going. Yeah, we're call mediumthat be able to see the cat and
then just be able to understand whatit is when it shows up. Kind

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of yeah, you know, justDave and I can can can throw in
our opinions, uh, in ourin our theories, whether we agree or
not. I mean that's what we'rehere for. But yeah, not having
boots on the ground, I thinkjust because this could go either way,
I think you need to bring insomebody who can legitimately tell you what is

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going on, as opposed to youjust be like I'm experiencing this, and
I would seek counseling for your depressionand go see your doctor and get some
medication to help you to help raiseyour spirits. Unless uh, I'm right,
and then you just get rid ofit and you'll feel better, or

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you could go through three yellow lights. I'm seeing the theme tonight. There's
a pattern emergence. It's so unintentional, but so amazing. I honestly did
not plan that at all. Imean I didn't want to do the update,
but everything else has been ad libbed. Okay, is that all we

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got? Yeah, that's all wegot. We're total disagreement on that.
Get a third opinion. Yes,I don't want to do this one,
but we will, all right?Can ghosts no? No, no,
I'll do it. Can ghost urinate? Or is my house just gross?

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I'm already twitching? All right,before we moved in, Before we move
in, before we move in,Do I correct you, mister sharing?
No, before we move in.We are renovating a house we bought about
a couple of months ago. Wehave been working on getting rid of the
smell of pet urine. We haveeven gone as far as pulling off baseboard

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trim, cutting out sections of drywall, and even replacing studs because they were
saturated to the point of still beingwet. We start to think we have
everything cleaned up, the house willsmell better, and then a day or
two later, we notice the urinesmell in another room or part of the
house. When we investigate low andbe hold more wet drywall or baseboard trim

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or studs from the next door neighbor, we know that the house was a
rental with many different people occupying it, and there have been at least a
dozen cats and dogs on the propertyover the last twenty years. It's pretty
clear from the stories that the nextfrom the next door neighbor, or that
the next door neighbor has told usthat some of those animals were neglected and

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a group of three or four dogswere left to die in a makeshift shed.
When we bought the house, theyard had been taken care of in
about two years. The day Imoded, I found two dog balls and
cleared them out of the way.The next day I found that the dogs
had left me two different dog ballsand about ten quote unquote fetch sticks.

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So I think they are happy tohave us there, and I have assured
them that they are safe and weare friendly. Could the walls, floors,
studs, etc. Still be wetfrom urine a couple of months after
the last animals moved out or canghosts urinate by the way, Yeah,
we do not currently have any petsand the house is locked up tight every

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day when we leave, so noway anything is getting inside unless it's a
mouse or rat or squirrel or anyof the other animals is crawling throughout the
thing. I can tell you whatright now, squirrels aren't going to saturate
a stud with urine. You're prettysafe. You can have a whole party

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of squirrels in your house and they'renot going to saturate it stud with urine.
Yeah, probably not. So letme just hit the first question.
Can ghost urinate? No, thatyou their energy. They don't have bladders,

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so no, they don't feel theneed to urinate like we do.
Like I'm sure I will be inthe last you know, forty minutes.
But can they create the smell ofit, the replication of it? Sure?
Do I think that's what's going onhere? No? A, yes,

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I think your house is just gross, sorry to say. I mean,
I'm sure you know you're trying tomake it better, which is great.
You know, what I find interestingis that you're cleaning up one room
and then you don't say that,you know, you say it goes away,
and then a day or two laterit's in some other place of the

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house, but not right where itwas before. So I mean, it
seems like you just need to keepmoving about the house and getting rid of
whatever is peace stated I mean,none of this is like the piece coming
back where we just put in newstuff. I don't know how long saturated

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wood stays wet. Day probably does, so I'll let him tackle that part
of it. Despite my analogy earlier, I am not a construction worker.
But anyways, I'm interested in whyyou think this is piranormally based. You

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know that you just keep finding yourinesmell, you know, someplace else in
the house. Just keep keep renovating, I guess would be my It would
be my advice here. The Iguess the thing about it is I lost

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my train of thought. I'm good, that's it. Just keep renovating.
I think you're gonna Oh, Iknow, I got it what I was
gonna say. I just think whathappening here. The reason why you're not
our smell. We get accustomed tocertain smells. So if you're in your
house and you're in this room orwhatever for a long period of time,
you know, when you're renovating orwhatever, you get used to certain smells,

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and certainly you don't smell them anymore. Well, then when you get
rid of it and everything smells differently, you get accustomed to that smell.
Well, then when you go tosomeplace else in the house, it's back
to being the urine smell. Ithink the smell has been there the entire
time. It's just whether you're ableto perceive it or not. And so

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yeah, whether there's ghost dogs therebringing you fetch sticks or not, I
think in this case is pretty irrelevant. I don't think that they're coming into
the house to urinate on the onthe floor or whatever as as dogs ghost
dogs. So again I just say, continue renovating. You should be fine.

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Two in a row. That weare going to be complete opposites.
I think that this house had somany people through it and so many different
things, and the abuse that happenedto the animals on the property, and
my gut is saying that there waslike some dark chit going on, either

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Satanic worshiping, maybe animal sacrifices,or you know, possibly dark witchcraft.
I don't know, but I thinkthat if I walked into a house and
it smelled like that, and thenwe cleaned it up and everything and walked

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through the house that everything smelled fine, and then go back a couple of
days later and the baseboards you're havingto pull baseboards off again, and the
studs are a couple of months afterthe last people were there. That ain't
happening. There's no way. Sowhat I think is happening here is I
think something bad happened in the house. I think that some conjuring happened in

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the house, Like I said,whether it was dark butchcraft or Satanic type
of conjuring. I think there wassacrifices made. I think that something got
unleashed in the house. I thinkthere's a negative entity in the house.
And I think that the urine smellis a very common sign of a negative
entity. And that's really the onlyway that it could be wet still is

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that there has to be something theremanifesting it. So you know, the
fecal smell, the sulfur smell,the vomit smell, the urine smell,
that they all go together, Allfour of those things go together as a
sign of negative entity infestation of ahouse. And that's exactly what I think

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is happening here. I think thishouse is infested. I think that you
should stop renovations right now because Idon't think that you're gonna be able to
move in there unless you can getsomebody in there and it's going to be
able to cleanse this house and stopwhatever's happening and remove it from the property
to make the house safe, becauseotherwise you're this is a money pit.
You're going to be pouring money intothis house trying to fix this non stop.

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Then you move in and you're gonnaeventually get attacked by whatever is they're
causing all this stuff to happen.So bring in Jesus would be my advice.
In Jesus. Well, I wouldhave the house blessed by if I
would have the house blessed by apriest, and then I would I would

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bring it as much white light andhigh vibration as I possibly could and keep
it that way. And I'll betyou if they do that, I'll bet
that the house stops smelling like you'urine. Don't get me wrong, we always
say bless the house or whatever,but it's the first time. We're just
like, bring in Jesus things ofyour house, plus bring Jesus into your

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life. Whatever you need to do. And fun fact, Jesus was a
carpenter, that's right, Jesus wasa carpenter. Yes, I mean,
that's my advice. That's what Ithink is happening here. I think something
bad happened on this property. That'swhy it went through a bunch of different
rents. That's why there was aton of different animals. That's why somebody

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left a group of dogs outside todie. I think it's cool that the
dogs that are outside are leaving youfetch toys. I think that's great.
I mean, I think that's thefact that you would the fact that you
sense them there, and that you'relike, hey, we you're totally fine
being here. We love your hair. It's cool, you're safe. I

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think that's fantastic. You obviously alreadybelieve in ghosts if you are communicating with
what you think are dead dogs leavingyou sticks. I'm just saying you already
are You will already believe in inghosts. Thinking that you have ghost dogs,
well, only not too much fartherto step into it to say,

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hey, it's something that is paranormalon a bad level is going on inside
my house. Only on a paranormalshow would we say with a straight face,
dead dogs are leaving you sticks.They are. That's what it said,
two different dog balls and ten touchsticks. So obviously it's a couple

(40:34):
of lamps apparently, I mean maybea golden retriever. I I definitely,
I definitely agree with you that thisperson obviously has some sort of knowledge of
the paranormal, because most people whenlook at ten sticks and two balls that
weren't there as spared dogs, likethey should be like these must have come

(40:58):
from the neighbor's house or something likethat. I mean, they would have
just jumped to I have ghost dogshere, and like the first story,
I definitely I can see things goingeither way. You know, in my
opinion, would have been much differentif they would have said, you know,

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we tore out the drywall, wetore off the baseboard, you know,
trim blah blah blah blah, itwent away, and then a day
or two later it was back inthe same room. Like my answer would
have been completely different. But thefact of it's always in a different room
from where they just change changed outthe stuff just kind of made me believe
that there's a natural explanation, whateverit may be, for what is going

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on. That's not discounting the factthat there may actually be ghost dogs there.
I just I just don't think itright now with what we have that
I'm gonna blame it on them oran evil entity for pissing all over the
house. Also not going with dogghost dogs pissing in the house. That's

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totally not where at all. Ohokay, well either way, I can
I can see either one shaping up. Yeah, so uh, I would
have the house blussed. I wouldbring in some blessed objects to the house
and see what happens. That's thefirst thing I would do. Religious provocation

(42:28):
in the situation. I would bringin some blessed objects and religi and do
religious provocation and see what kind ofresults happen. Because you're not living there
yet, so you know, youdon't have all your stuff there. This
is a great like if this waswithin a couple hours drive, like I'd

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be there. This would be agreat house, like to do religious provocation
and then see what happens, andlike have all the equipment set up and
recordings and stuff. I'd see ifyou piss something off, and then if
you do, at least you knowyou got something pissed off. Certainly isn't
going to be an angel that's pissedoff, But it ain't gonna be you
know, Jesus isn't there and he'sangry because you brought in a you know,

(43:13):
blessed medallions and holy water and bustacross exactly. I agree. A
blessing is never going to hurt,and it will probably it will probably tell
you. It will give you alot more answers than what Dave and I
could ever do. Right, Anddon't don't save your house. Don't don't
watch an internet video and go outand buy a sage stick and then walk

(43:37):
around your house sticking. You're savingyour house and your goat cleansing. Don't
do that, please. Yeah.So, because we only have about fifteen
minutes before h Jody gets here,let's skip all the way the last one
because I do. We haven't hada cryptis story in a while, and
I would I would like to havethat one. You want to take it?
Yeah, I'll take it. Uhpossible crypt siding in Illinois. Hey

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guys, So, two nights agoI had an experience with something in the
wooded area around Maple Lake near theoverlook. I tried to do some research
on what it could have been,but have come up with empty. I
did find encounters of other cryptids inthat area, like skin walkers and Whendigo.
However, those were a long timeago, and with the suburban nature
of this encounter, it has ledme to disqualify the possibility of it being

(44:23):
either of those creatures. Its appearanceand location have led me to believe that
it may be what is referred toas a white crawler. I still don't
know what it was, but itwas something that felt human. But I
know it couldn't have been a humanbecause of the size and shape and color.
Plus it felt too much like ananimal. It hit me like I

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was being stalked by an animal.So I'm there in the Southwest suburbs at
the Overlook, listening to music inmy car. I often like to get
out of the city just to clearmy head. When suddenly I hear something
pulling up to me from behind.You know, it's late, it's dark.
People like to come to the overlookto drink or find some privacy.
So I check my rearview mirror andI see this thing in the moonlight.

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Something is in the road. I'msure of what it is. I moved
to adjust my mirror to get abetter look when I see eyes staring at
me. You know how animal eyeshad that glisten in the dark. It
was like that, but they're watchingme through the rear view mirror, transfixed,
focused and intent. It was tall, probably six to seven feet,

(45:29):
and white as snow, and itfroze me in my place. It had
straightforward eyes, like a predator does. I started to process what I was
seeing and I got hit with aninexplicable chill, like someone poured ice water
down my back. It's that feelingI get when someone is approaching me from
behind, or something is watching mewith a sinister motive. This sends me

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bugging out into a panic. SoI start the car shipped into drive and
hook a hard right and out ofthe lot back onto the main road.
As I look along the side ofthe passenger window, I see it running
at the same pace I am driving, and it's huge and white and running
on two legs. So I speedup and head towards the main road where
the street lights start again. WhenI looked over at that point, it

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was gone. I don't know whatit was, but it made me feel
sick to my stomach, so muchso that I almost threw up. This
encounter has quickly turned my perception ofthe natural and unnatural upside down. Could
you guys please try to explain whatit was that I might have seen.
Sure, I can explain what itwas that you saw. You saw Krypton,
You shouldn't have freaked out. Youshould have got your camera out and

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got some pictures. But that said, I understand the fight or flight response,
and obviously response was flight. Youknow, I've heard of the crawler
stories and stuff like that, butI'm not going to dismiss that this wasn't
a skinwalker or a window I'm justnot going to throw that out the door.

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If their stories of them being therein the past, I don't care
how far back it was, andusually I don't know that they would be
in suburban areas, but I don'tknow that they wouldn't be. I'm not
throwing those ideas out. I don'tknow why this guy is throwing these ideas
out, but I'm I don't.I think it sounds to me like it's

(47:23):
a legitimate personal experience of something thatwe probably don't know what it is.
Like it, you know, anew species something maybe like Bigfoot. Maybe
maybe it has the ability to kindof just appear import in and out.

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I don't know, but whatever itwas six to seven feet tall. I
think this that just a description ofthe eyes how it had predatorized. They
were glistening in the dark. Itlocked onto him in the review mirror.
It felt focused intent, transfixed,snow white, and then it was running

(48:09):
as fast as the car was drivingon two legs. So it's not a
wolf. It's not a dog.Maybe I've never seen a dog or a
wolf run on two legs. Atfirst, I was going to say,
maybe it's just a big wolf,like an albino wolf, and it freaked
them out because that if you sawan albino wolf in the middle of the

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night and just saw it in themoonlight, it would be snow white.
You probably would get a little freakedout. But I don't know any wolves
that stand on behind legs and runas fast as you're driving in a car.
So I think that this needs moreresearch. To be honest with you,
I mean, after the show,I'm going to actually kind of dig

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around and see what I can findfor the Maple Lake area in Illinois and
see what is going on over thereand if there's reports of weird stuff.
I mean, maybe, you know, I don't think this is a big
stretch either maybe this is an alien. I mean, maybe it's some type
of some type of alien that cameinto play and was trying to approach him.

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I mean, he doesn't say that. It sounds, you know,
it's more animal looking. But peoplepanic. Obviously this guy panicked. He
was out of there in a heartbeat. So I don't know. I don't
have a legitimate answer, but Ithink it's a great story. I appreciate
so thank you for sending it inbecause we don't get a lot of crypti
stuff. I I definitely think thatit was a what at least known around

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here is a pale crawler, butwhite crawler. You know, it's pretty
much the exact same thing, right, you know, and that and there
are something that has been seen actuallyrecently in the Midwest, you know,
even here in the cities. Imean, Dave and I did an entire
show on it. And the interestingthing about the pale crawler story is it

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always ends up almost exactly like that. They come across this creature. It
doesn't attack them, it doesn't doanything really aggressive, but everybody who sees
it has that instant I'm about tobe attacked. I you know, this
thing has malicious intent. I needto get the f out of here.

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And as you were reading that story, like I just got man, I
wonder if that's it's I don't wantto say it's power, but that's you
know, every single creature has acertain ability to protect itself. You know,

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like the possum that plays dead.You know, the skunk has a
you know, whatever snake has theround. You know, every every dogs
and wolves growl. You know,everybody has a certain thing that they can
do in order to protect themselves.And I'm wondering if this thing is able

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to project a feeling of panic ontothe people who it is, you know,
scared enough trying to to you know, get away from or or get
them to leave their area. Becauseand and one of the stories that we
read that actually brought this uh,this cryptid to us was, you know,

(51:45):
here in chan Hassen, uh herein the cities, and almost the
exact same thing. It ran alongsidethem. It wouldn't say anything with the
car and then it disappeared. Andso I'm wondering if it's uh, I
think it's territorial. I don't thinkthat it's actually going to attack people.

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I think people just get that feelinglike I'm wondering if that is just it's
it's natural ability, and then itruns you out of its territory and as
soon as you're gone out of thatarea, it breaks off pursuit. But

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the stories of the pale Crawler aregrowing and now, I mean they used
to just be in Minnesota. Nowthey're now they're down in Illinois, so
I wonder if they're they're Wisconsin.I'm looking it up right now. And
so it's spreading out throughout the Midwest. Now you know, it probably started
here in Minnesota, shocker, andnow it's Illinois, Wisconsin, uh,

(52:52):
you know, Michigan. And Ithink we're going to be hearing a lot
more frequently about this pale Crawler becauseit doesn't seem to like Bigfoot. It
doesn't seem to need to be inthe deep, deep dark woods like it

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might want to be in wooded areas, but it could be you know,
wooded area, yeah, yeah,just for cover a place where you know,
it thinks that people typically aren't goingto go. So so here's something
interesting, right, So first ofall, I looked up a couple of
images. So this thing it haswhat they is black eyes, but at

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night they reflect white. So that'sthat in itself is weird. But get
a load of this. The palecrawlers occur in many of the Algonquin tribed
teachings and mythologies as a threat similarto the way to Go, but instead
of as representations of greed and hungeras a creature other than what used to

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be a huge human. I don'tknow if that's a clear sentence. Somebody
who wrote it doesn't how to writefor six but I read it verbatim.
Sorry, but you know the factthat the Algonquins are teaching that this,
these pale crawlers exist in their teachingsand mythologies as a threat that's similar to

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the one to go. We'll justleave it at that because the rest of
that sentence was just destroyed by unintelligence. Good God, but here. June
fourteenth, the near a forested areain Higgins Lake, Michigan, two unnamed
men were injured and one was killed. Police passed it off as a bear
attack. The validity of the validityof the bear attack is unlikely, as

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video that has since been lost tothe police was proven to have been shown
that the disproved that theory. Again, great writing July twenty third, in
upstate New York, near Niagara,a crawler was seen by a part ranger,
who would then lose his job dueto unruly conduct, poor mental capability,

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and an inability to distinguish reality fromfiction. The crawler was caught on
camera, but the Park Ranger Serviceconfiscated it as official evidence. And then
in Elkorn, Wisconsin, there wasa sighting of a possible crawler occurred on
an intersection of the road. Sothose are three within the last couple of

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years. So interesting, and they'rebeing caught on camera, and then the
footage is lost, so well,it's not lost, it's being confiscated.
Well confiscated. They never shown again. Well correct, right, So it's
like the soft spremn right, likethe guys, like the two Troopers.

(55:50):
The two troopers show up and troopersnever ride together, right, But the
two troopers show up in the samecar. Then the guys from the hospital
show up with no badges or anything. They don't do it. They just
throw a guy in the back andthey all hal ask to take off.
And then when the guys trying tothen when the other police try to follow
up, they're like, we don'thave any reports of any ambulance coming to
your location, and you know therewas no state trooper, no report of

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a state trooper there. It's thesame kind of thing, right, Like
you get evidence and then somebody says, go get that. You know,
the men in black have upgraded theirwardrobe. Yeah, two invisibility, I
think. Well, I'm just sayingis that they're no longer showing up in

(56:36):
black suits and tying a black hat. And because they're too obvious. You
well, right now that the moviescome out, they can't do that anymore,
right, Yeah, so they're justblending in like normal people pretty much.
So, I mean, I definitelythink what this person encountered was a
pale crawler, and especially since itit's kind of like the Couzin another wind

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to Go, like I can seewhere they would have they would be alike
but still different. Yeah. So, plus the wind to Go was so
flipping fast. I don't think hewould have gotten into into drive before it
would have been on him. Oh, it would have been in the backseat
of the car home, James,all right, it would have been ugly.

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That'd been a bloodbath. Yeah,I agree, would we would have
seen it on an episode of Supernatural. Yeah, pretty pretty soon. Yea,
but okay, I don't have anythingmore in that. No, I
don't either. I appreciate the storythough. I think it's cool. I
think that I think you saw somethingthat. I mean, I just don't

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have an answer for you, butI think something happened. I believe you.
I believe something happened. I believeyou saw something that you couldn't explain
and your body told you get thehell out of here now. I mean
you're in the car, so it'snot like you're walking in the woods and
you got and you're defenseless. Imean you're in a motor vehicle. You

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could start the engine up, throwit in reverse and run the thing over,
and you still have that panic sensationlike get out of here now,
and then it's running with you asyou're driving away. That would freak me
out. I'd be like, uhno, put it to the floor.
Nope. Yeah, we're throwing anote on that one. You are not

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going to be running alongside my vehicle. All right, Well, does the
male bank? Yes. I'm goingto go to intermission really quick, and
then when we come back, wewill have Jody Dane on so see you
on the other side. This isSusan's from Paranormal Taught on Camera, introducing

(59:02):
you to the most epic show ever, The Odyssey Files with David Soorring and
Michael O'Neill. You're welcome too too. Hey. This is Graham Wilson from

(59:22):
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spend it listening to Hike and Daveon The Odyssey Files. This is
Heather Taddy of Paranormal State and AlienHighway. I can't say that the Odyssey
Files are out of this world,but Mike and Dave are quite abductible.

(59:49):
Hey, this is Dustin Perry fromGhost Hunters and you listening to Dave and
Mike on The Odyssey Files. It'snot the best show you're ever going to
listen to, but it's also probablynot the worst. This is Michelle Belanjey's,
author of The Declare of Demons.What is faster than a speeding shadow
person and more fun than an analprobe. It's Mike and Dave of The

(01:00:13):
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You know in my journeys I've confrontedin over a thousand year old demon from
the depths of Shepherdstown. But thendo you know what happened? I came

(01:00:37):
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Odyssey Files, my second favorite radioshow. I love you guys, and
we are back. Someone never gettired of hearing Elizabeth. I don't either.

(01:01:04):
It's just hilarious, perfect timing.We'll bring on a sick guess exactly.
So, speaking of somebody who isnot sick this week and only half
injured as opposed to last week,which is why we weren't on I would
like to introduce our guest tonight,Chaplain Jody Dane. Hello, gentlemen,

(01:01:28):
gentlemen, how are you well?I'm better than last Sunday night, except
I got it's my fourth finger.I got a broken finger. How'd you
manage that? But it's not likehaving a back injury, So I'm good,
right. But it was actually funnybecause I sent David message being like,

(01:01:52):
you know, Jody's not able todo the show tonight. She she
threw her back out. It's like, yeah, well that makes two of
us. He did it as well, so he wasn't going to be able
to do the show anyway. Yeahapparently, yeah, yeah, it worked
out perfect. Well if it makesyou both feel better, I feel amazing
good. That's awesome. So,Jody, we got glad to talk about.

(01:02:16):
So I wanted I want to diveright in because Dave and I have
been waiting a long time to beable to talk to somebody who is very
knowledgeable and proficient as angel communication.And I just I want to start out
by by just and I honestly cannotremember. I think we we didn't ask

(01:02:37):
you this because we only had liketwenty minutes. How did you get involved
in becoming a chaplain and what madeyou, I guess realize that you were
somebody who I guess angels could communicatewith is if that's the best way to
phrase it. So back in nineteenninety two, a little bit before that,

(01:03:07):
you talk about angel communications. Theynudged me and said, you're supposed
to be a pastor. I'm like, what, I'm supposed to be?
A who? And so I'm thinking, okay, there's there's something behind this.
Now, I've been getting angel messagesthat I know of that I readily

(01:03:30):
recognized since the age of three,and we can go back and talk about
that in a little bit. Butto go to the nineteen ninety two thing,
Yeah, they kept saying, thisis what you're supposed to do,
this is supposed to what you're supposedto do well. And if you know
my personal history, it's like,I'm the last person in the world that
should be a pastor, right.I have had troubled past, I've had

(01:03:52):
a wicked past. I've been allacross the board. Right. So my
mom and dad called. My momwas raised in the strictest Lutheran denomination that
there is Wisconsin sinned, and soI was holding my breath because They're like,

(01:04:14):
oh, well, hey, what'snew. And I'm just like,
oh boy, here it comes.And I said, I'm going to seminary.
And my dad, who I lovedearly, he's past now. His
sense of humor was awesome, goes, oh, well that's interesting. That's

(01:04:34):
quite the development. But then mymom was like, well, I was
waiting when you were finally going torealize that that's your calling. And I
was just I was blown away,absolutely blown away. But it was the
angels that were the ones giving methe nutge over and over and over well,

(01:04:56):
so I got a four year master'sdegree from luther Seminary Master of Divinity
and got out became or dad wentinto a Lutheran congregation. But at the
same time, I also became amilitary chaplain, which best thing I ever
did. And you talk about angelcommunication, when you're a military chaplain,
it's insane. It's like they don'tstop because there's just so many things going

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on that they need to guide youand support you with and everything. But
so that's to answer that piece.But my first angel communication was when I
was three years old. I didn'trealize I realized it at the time because
I was three, and it wasnot until I was I don't know,

(01:05:43):
after I had kids, so latetwenties. That one day I was just
sitting there thinking about it, andof course pastor Piece hadn't even come into
this yet, and I thought,I wonder if that's what that was.
And then I thought to an incidentwhen I was four years old, and
I started thinking about that, andso I asked my mom, I said,

(01:06:04):
what was going on in those twoyou know situations? And she,
by the way, is still alive. She's ninety five, sharp as can
be. I could be so lucky, you know. And she said,
well, what do you think itwas? And I said, the only
thing I keep coming up with issomehow there were angels involved. And this

(01:06:29):
was still at a point in mylife where I was I was on the
naughty list. I wasn't on thegood list yet, not that I'm on
the good list now. But andI said, so, I think it
was angels. And she said,that's exactly what it was. She said,
have you realized all the other timesthat they were talking to you?
So that's when I really started thinkingabout it and going back and through all

(01:06:53):
the crap that I ever did,and all the trouble I got into,
and the good times too, andit just it was all there, every
single piece of it. It alljust sort of popped up. So that's
then when I started really paying attentionto what was coming through and how it
was coming through, and what theywere saying and why they were saying it

(01:07:15):
and how they were saying it.Because angels are not religious beings. First
of all, their energies, that'sall they are. They're just energies.
They are in all the ancient culturesgoing back to the Ananaki and the Egyptians,
I mean, you can go rightdown the line. But they're also
in all the religions too, andso that says something about them that they're

(01:07:40):
there for everybody. They've been thereforever and they're still here and anybody and
everybody can talk to them because they'reone of those sort of I can't say
eternal because angels can die, butthey're probably more eternal than anything else without

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quite being eternal. Sense, Soplease, I got another answer to this,
and I hope it's not the wronganswer. When they speak to you,
are they cryptic or do they speakclearly? Don't say cryptic? It

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depends. First of all, itdepends on you how open you are to
them. The more open you are, the more clear it will be.
If you are just sort of going, oh well, hey, what was
that, it's it's probably going tofeel real cryptic. But then it also

(01:08:47):
depends on your clares. Of thefour claars, you generally have two that
are the strongest, and so they'regoing to come through in your strongest once
first before they start coming through inyour lesser ones. I've now been able
to develop all four of mine,so there pretty even as far as that

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goes, I was sitting in thehallway of our home over in shore of
you. I still only one inthe house. Nobody else was home.
I was cleaning out the hall closet, crappy mess. When you have five
kids, things pile up. Andall of a sudden I heard Jody clear

(01:09:34):
as could be. And I wasthe only one in the house except for
the dog. Dog doesn't talk.And I got up and I walked around
the house. There was nobody thereexcept me, so I went back to
the closet and I kept cleaning,and then all of a sudden they nudged
again, this time not out loud. I mean, the first one was

(01:09:58):
right out loud, like somebody wasthe house with me. The second time
it was just inside I could Icould feel it, I could hear it,
and it was Jody, And Ithought, okay, the angels are
trying to get my attention. Imust have been too deep in thought with
the closet and they were trying tobring a message in. Well. I

(01:10:19):
found out later that the message wasthat I needed to call one of my
kids, and within about I don'tknow, fifteen to twenty minutes, I
got that from them, and Idid, and one of them had missed
their right they didn't have any wayto get a hold of me. I

(01:10:41):
couldn't get a hold of them.So I called one of their friends and
they said, well, yeah,we we just left them at the school
last time we saw them. Theywere at the school, and so I
drove over and sure enough that wasthat was the angel message. But otherwise,
for me, angels constantly talk tome, and so people say,

(01:11:02):
well, how do you talk tothe angels And I say, well,
I just talk to them like I'mtalking to you right now. It's just
a general normal conversation. I'll talkto them when I'm driving, I talk
to him when I'm fixing dinner.I talk to him when I'm just laying
out in the sun now, becauseit's the summertime. When I'm working on

(01:11:23):
the survivor Angel work that I do, I'm always asking them, am I
going in the right direction? What'sthe subject matter I need to be focusing
on? And they always always bringit back to me. But then,
of course there's those times when I'mnot intentionally looking to talk to them that

(01:11:45):
they will just show up. WhenI was in Ireland Mysterious Adventures Tours two
years ago, three years ago whatever. It was one of the other people
who was part of our group.He was very sensitive, had been since
he was a child, and heheard that I was the angel lady,

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and so he started asking me questionsand everything, and for the rest of
the trip, we sort of hadthis oddgoing activity, if you will,
of who was going to spot theangels first, because he was very cognizant
of him. And we were atBlardi Castle, He'd go did you see
it? And I'm like, whatdid you see? He goes, no,

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you tell me first, and Isaid, okay, at the same
time, say the color and wedid. We both said orange or rust,
and so we had both seen thesame angel presence at the same time
and that it was really fun tohave somebody right there with me that was
seeing things at the very same time. And that's when you the validation is

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amazing for me, but it's reallyamazing for other people. In June,
we were at Harriman Hospital with BrianMurray, Rachelle Stratton and Cody and Satori
and Shaana Bitler, who works withBrian and Rachelle. She had said to
me, she said, Jody,she said, go down in that hospital

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room. Down at the end ofthe hall on the right. So I
went down there, and as soonas I walked in the door, boom,
Angels were everywhere. It was likea freaking glittering light show in there,
and I was just like, thisis amazing. I couldn't believe it.

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And I just stood in there inawe And then all of a sudden,
they started separating out their colors intoblue and the red and the green
and the yellow and the white,so they were actually differentiating themselves from each
other instead of just being the collectivegroup. And so walks in and he
goes, did you see it?I said, Brian, I said,
I'm still seeing it. I said, They're everywhere, and he goes,

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what do you mean they're everywhere?I said, these are angels that are
here. And Brian wheels around andhe walks out, you'll talk to me
about angels, but he's not hereyet. So I walked back out to
Shanna and I said to Shawna,that is roomful and nothing but fricking angels,

(01:14:26):
and she said really, She said, okay, so you need to
talk to these people. So therewere two other investigators there that are part
of their riverbed paranormal group, andthey said, we're seeing these sparkles in
this one hospital room down the end. I said, the one on the
right. They said, no,the one on the left. I said,
well, let's go down there.So we went in there. I

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said I didn't see anything when Igot in there. At that point,
I said, tell me what yousaw. And they said, at one
point there were green starting from thefoot of the bed and going up over
the pillow and off the end,and then there were red that were going
up and over across the bed.And they said, what was that.

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I said, that was arch angelGabriel and Raphael. And they're kind of
like what And I'm like, whenyou see sparkles in those colors, those
are angels that are with you.And they said, well, well,
you know what, why would theyhave been here? I said, well,

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Rapael is the healing arch angel,Gabriel is the one for for bringing
joy, so if somebody is ill, you know, to lift them up.
Well, then Shana walks in andshe goes, well, I saw
white sparkles everywhere. She said towho was that And I said, well,

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that's Meta Tron then, and they'reall but from the Marvel comics and
I'm going no, that came afterwards. Metatron, the arc Agel came first.
Metatron is the archangel for children andfamilies. So I said that,
then tells me there was a childin this hospital bed. And it was

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just amazing because there were three peoplethey'd never seen anything with angels, didn't
know how to look for angels,didn't know how to spot them. That
they'd all seen them, and Imean it was great. I don't know
who is more excited than or me. So what else do you want to

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know? I gotta throw a quickstory by you now that you're talking about
sparkles. So some years ago therehad been a question is whether I had
an attachment or not, And soI had a minor right of exercise have
done from a friend of mine,non denominational, and as he's going through
it, he felt that something keptstepping into the space, observing and then

(01:17:10):
leaving. I had nothing attached tome. I knew I didn't because I
didn't feel it, and he's like, no, he goes, I don't
feel anything on you. But whenwe finished and he left, as I
walked to the window, I sawabout a thousand bright, bright gold glittering
what I would describe as miniature firefliesor fairies like taker Belt right, like

(01:17:35):
just in mass and they're just movingaround the room and like this beautiful formation
in this cloud, super super brightgold. So what do you think that
was? Angels? No doubt aboutthe color of anything. Yeah, that's

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that's exactly how they will appear,and the colors that's their auras, and
that's you know, they come inon frequencies. That's one thing that a
lot of people don't realize with angelsis they are just energy and they have
a frequency that goes with them dependingon what messages that they're bringing. It's

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also connected to the angel numbers,which that's another way of knowing that angels
are trying to communicate with you.It all goes back to the universe,
because the entire universe is nothing buta mathematical equation. And in fact,
I don't know if you ever heardof tarus. It's a mathematical shape that

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is found in the entire universe.Scientists will tell you about this, and
it looks it's always in the shapeof a donut. It's three dimensional and
it literally looks like a donut.And the ancient Egyptians talked about them.
Ancient Indian I mean over in India, so the Buddhists and the Hindus they

(01:19:11):
talked about these shapes as well asNative Americans. I mean, you just
name it across all these cultures,and with the donut piece, it stands
for that infinity, you know,the ring, no beginning, no end.
So it's in all the religions.But it also it's believed that it's

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a conduit for energies to pass through, and so I looked at it as
possibly being how the angels travel betweenthe dimensions. Whether you think it's a
stack time theory or whether you thinkit's you know, I don't think anything

(01:19:51):
is linear. I don't believe inthat it's that's too easy for us.
But yeah, so I think that'sa major cond for the angels to come
through. And that's why we findthe angels in all the ancient cultures and
current cultures and all religions, becauseit's like a common place place thing,

(01:20:12):
and they're found all over the universe. They've been there since the beginning of
everything, and you will find thatin so many ancient writings and scripts and
all of that they're quite fascinating.And the interesting piece is is they have

(01:20:32):
free will, just like we do. So if they're getting directions from somebody
about the messages to bring to us, they can bring those messages messages to
us in whatever way they want tobring them to us, and maybe even

(01:20:53):
change them up a little because weall receive things differently. Makes sense.
Okay, I have a lot ofquestions, but because I have to share
the show with Dave, we'll juststart with We'll just start with one and

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go from there. So I guessis two questions. Then we'll start with
one is for And I'm sure everybodyeverybody out there knows what I'm talking about
when I say that, every oncein a while, out of the blue,
for no reason, whether you're lyingin bed, whether you're walking down

(01:21:35):
the street, whether you're driving yourcar or at work, all of a
sudden, like you'll get this veryhigh pitched tone in your ear. And
I never knew what that was.And then I was either reading something or
somebody, we were interviewing somebody.At some point in time, somebody told

(01:21:59):
me that that is the angels tryingto talk to you. They're trying to
tell you something. This was evenbefore Supernatural when they finally brought in the
angels of that, and it wouldhave like that high pitched That's exactly what
it sounded like, was that highpitched tone. And I've noticed lately,
like in the last year or so, sometimes it comes on with such intensity

(01:22:25):
like I grimace and pain, likeI'm like, tone it down. But
I I've talked to my friends seeingabout this many times. I didn't understand
a single word they're trying to tellme. I don't get it. And
if they have this free will,if they can tell you to do this,

(01:22:45):
why are they trying to talk tome in a way that I cannot
understand, like at all. AndI'm curious as to why they choose to
do it like that, and whatis it supposed to represent? Question?
Great question. My grandma, mymaternal grandmother, when I was little,
and my ears would start ringing becauseagain, the angels were with me constantly,

(01:23:11):
and I would go, oh,my ears ringing, and she goes,
well, somebody's trying to get yourattention. She never sat angels.
But of course down the line,I figured it out. They do that
to get your attention. The messageisn't so much in the ringing is that
they're saying, pay attention, we'regoing to be bringing you a message,

(01:23:32):
or we already just brought it.Could be either or. And if you
if you're getting that really severe,that means they've been trying to tell you
and you're not getting it. Sothat doesn't sound like me at all.
It totally sounds like you. Yeah, so it's like they're kind of bashing

(01:23:56):
you over the head. I know, I've had a few times where I'm
i just be standing in the belfryof a church because it's just like bong
bong bong. Yeah, it's it'slike, if you know, if you
are paying attention, they're gonna especiallyif it's something that is very detrimental,
very serious, very important in yourlife. And the messages generally that angels

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bring they're connected to your contract thatyou've made way back, you know,
whenever, and that's a whole othertopic for you know, another night.
And either you're beering too far awayfrom it, there's a forgery, there's
a forgery, or you're trying tochange it and they're going no, no,

(01:24:48):
no, no no, you're undercontractual obligation here, So whoa whoa
who. Yeah, you really needto pay attention. And so so then
you stop and think, what's beengoing on in my life, what's been
bothering me, what's been going reallywell? Because maybe something that's going really

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well is something that isn't good foryou, but you haven't stopped and thought
about it, because it's just like, oh, hey, this is great,
but in the long run, it'snot going to turn out well.
Like if you see the numbers foursixty nine, Angel numbers four sixty nine

(01:25:30):
and that frequency, that means thatyou are putting too much emphasis on material
things of this world. Now forus, it's like, well, hey,
this is great. I love thisstuff because we're human and that's how
we're wired. But they're saying,okay, you're going overboard with this and
you need to back off. Andso that's where the big old biting it

(01:25:54):
in the ears is another way ofsaying, they've been trying to tell you
something like that. You know,maybe it's gonna end up draining your bank
account, maybe it's gonna you know, cost you in the long run,
whatever it might be. But howdo you determine which way they're trying to
go, whether it's paying attention towhat it's good, or pay attention to

(01:26:14):
what might be bad. That's whereyou really have to look inside yourself and
see what's going on. I callthem the light angels. Their messages are
only going to be positive and forthe betterment of you. If it's a

(01:26:36):
fallen angel, it's going to besomething that is negative and it is not
in your best interests, and youhave to be able to sort that out.
That gets very difficult for people,especially in our culture nowadays, because
we've kind of gone down some negativepath as a whole, as society and

(01:27:01):
culture, and so people aren't evenreally realizing when something isn't good for them
and isn't good for their family andtheir community and society. They just they
just keep going because they aren't capableof making that realization anymore. They don't
have anything to base it off of, because the negativity is starting to impact

(01:27:26):
anything positive in our world. Ineed a drink of water. It looks
like moonshine. So yeah, soyou if if it's a piece where you're
in danger, you're going to recognizeit right away. I mean, if

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it really is a life or deaththing, a good friend of ours,
we just went down to see himtoday. He's he's a retired county deputy.
He was in motorcycle accident June tenth, and this is the first time
we've been able to see him.He's ridden motorcycle since he was a teenager,

(01:28:10):
since he got his license, excellentdriver and everything. But on June
tenth, the car pulled out aboutfifteen feet in front of him. All
he could do was turn, turnthe bars, lay it down and he
went under his car. Guy didn'tknow he was under there and drug him

(01:28:30):
because the bike got caught under there. And he said that right before this
happened, he got a flash ofred and he kind of looked at me,
and I said that was the angelsaying look out. And that gave
him that split second to be moreaware of his surroundings. Not that he

(01:28:56):
isn't when he rides, but justthat split second, because if he wouldn't
have laid it down and went under, he would have hit and went up
and over. And he doesn't weara helmet, hasn't in years. You
know, he's older, so retired. When your day is up, your
day is up. But yeah,it would have been even even worse than

(01:29:20):
what it was so ended up witha broken ankle. Ankle messed up his
knee to where it swelled up toabout ten times the size, and just
rode rash all his whole you know, he had bloodstreaming from his head and
everything. I mean, it wasbad, but thankfully he got that quick

(01:29:41):
little warning which told him to payattention and it saved him from it being
even worse. So you will know, if you're cognizant of messages, you
can't blow off messages. You justyou can't. They're coming to you for
a reason. But I know alot of times, you know, we're

(01:30:04):
human and people just kind of goopoo oh, yeah, you know what
whatever. Okay, I thought Davidwas going to take over to ask another
question since he's since he's stalled,keeps thinking that's fine. So because this

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is the question that because we haveour guides, our spirit guides, and
then we have guardian angels. Sothose are two completely separate entities, correct,
yes or no? I mean that'snot my I ask the question.
But our guardian angels and our spiritguys the same entity. This is the

(01:30:48):
way I see it, and thisis my opinion. Angels are the only
ones that can come through to bringmessages. Spirits and spirit guides I believe

(01:31:13):
are actually angels manifesting as loved ones, friends whoever, could be strangers,
because if it's true that when wedie and our souls go off to neverland,

(01:31:35):
wherever that might be. Because Idon't believe that there's a heaven,
I don't believe that there's a hell, it's something completely different. Supposedly,
you feel no more pain, it'sall joy and happiness, and so spirits
are not going to be bringing They'renot watching you to protect you, because

(01:32:01):
that would bring them anxiety if thatwas the case, right, help my
people who are watching me. Butyeah, so true, the soul goes
on. Absolutely, the soul isenergy, and that energy doesn't die,

(01:32:23):
so that goes on and on andon and on. And then people also
will say that that, well,the spirits that don't cross over, it's
because they don't want to be reincarnatedagain. That kind of doesn't make sense
to me. And so that's whyI believe that spirits coming through. I

(01:32:48):
don't know, shadow man, I'veseen shadows shadowmen. I still think that
that's angels manifesting. Could befallen angelsjust because they can do the same thing.
They don't have quite the significant powersas the light angels because they lost

(01:33:09):
a bit of that when they decidedto take the low road instead of the
high road. That's my opinion.What do you guys think ahead, Well,
how does that say whether angels arespirit guides are not? I still

(01:33:30):
would like to know why my spiritguides slash angels never feel like communicating with
me even when I communicate with themand they don't respond. And it's not
because I'm not listening. I'm listening. I'm completely open. And I was
told by somebody that I trust thatmy spirit guides aren't going to step in

(01:34:00):
until I really need them to stepin, and that if they're if they're
not communicating with me, that meansthat I am pretty much going along as
I'm supposed to be going along.I agree with that. Yeah, the

(01:34:24):
only only reason I just want alittle bit of reassurance, like how am
I going to How can I getthem to like just step up to the
plate for a little bit, evenif it's just like a thirty second conversation,
get a thumbs up, you know, how about a high five?
How about it just a tap onthe back, a pat on the butt,
right, something wack upside the head? No, no, no,
no, I don't want to wakeupside the head because I'm gonna take that

(01:34:45):
as a negative thing. But like, you know, let me ask you
this date, how much do youdream? Oh? I dream and technicolor
and full blowing, like vivid,high def movies. Don't be at my
surround sound when I dream and I'mthere, I do a lot of astral
projecting. So I actually go outand create my own dreams. Like it's

(01:35:13):
weird, it's hard to describe.I don't Maybe create my own dreams,
isn't the right way of saying it. I go, I travel and specifically
tailor my experience as while I'm sleepingto what I want them to be.
I guess because that makes sense.Not every day, but half the time.

(01:35:39):
Okay, because at the time whenI fall asleep, I just don't
care where I go. Ok MaybeI just don't want to. Maybe I
don't travel tonight, you know,like maybe I just want to just get
a good night's sleep and just layhere and have nothing happening. But then
I still don't, right, hugedreams every night, huge dreams. Okay,
So I think what you're missing isthe angels are coming to you in

(01:36:01):
your dreams and you're just not pickingup on it. Because that is a
major way that angels will communicate withyou. And it's not like you're going
to be seeing them in the wingsand the halo and all that kind of
food through stuff. Not even ifthey're a fallen angel, they're not going
to be all dark like that.They will show up as shapes because again,

(01:36:25):
angels go back to the geometric shapes. If you see an orb that
you realize is truly an orb andnot dust and moisture or whatever the case
you know other case might be,but you see an orb that has a
geometric shape inside of it, thatis an angel orb, because again the
angels are connected to that geometry ofthe universe. And if there also is

(01:36:46):
an aura color to it, youwill know specifically which legion of archangel it
is. It could be the archangelthemselves, or it could be just a
member of their legion by by theaura color. But in the dreams,
if and this is why I tellpeople, when you get up in the
morning, have a notepad by yourbed and right away write down absolutely everything

(01:37:13):
that you can remember about that dream, because somehow the angels came through,
and it's just a matter of learningsort of how and where, and because
excuse me, because you do theastral projection, my guess is they're probably
popping up a lot in the sameway. Again, it could be angel

(01:37:36):
numbers in the dream that are verysubtle. It could be do you ever
hear music when you dream? Gaveyeah, And I see two specific colors.
So I see orbs, legitimate orbs, and they're either light lavender or
the green. Okay, green's Raphael. I have to go back and see

(01:37:59):
light lavender because I work with seventeenof them, and I can't always remember
all their colors. My brain isold. I'm seventy, so you know
I can't keep them all straight.I always keep my little cheat sheet with
me. I want to say,lavender is if I remember right as joe
Fel, and if it is Joefl. Joefl is all about wisdom and discernment.

(01:38:26):
So Raphael is the healer, includingpranic healing, and then Joefl would
be the wisdom and discernment and sotelling you we're here, just figure it
out that we're here. So Rafaelmakes sense because of my back injury,
that I had my spinal injury yearsago, so never really has healed,

(01:38:46):
So that would kind of make senseto me that he's around two just kind
of, I don't know, guideme from doing something stupid and re injuring
myself maybe, or you know,we're trying to subtly heal me when I'm
sleeping or that's taking a long time. So I'm just I just point that

(01:39:11):
out. I know you're listening,just letting you know it's been six years.
Put my socks on. Oh canI just can I just throw in
one thing real quick here. Ifind it so hilariously ironic that Dave cannot
discern the Angel of discernment and wisdom. Obviously, obviously Joe Fiel is not

(01:39:40):
very good at what he's what heor she is doing. And I,
yes, I did say that,but if you're listening to me too,
I just want to throw that out. I know what you dream tonight,
Mikey. It ain't gonna be prettyno, yeah, So I just want

(01:40:01):
I just want to throw that outthere, continuing what you were talking about.
I'm sorry say that again. Well, I was like, I just
want to throw that out there reallyquick before we got down the road.
So continue, continue with what youwere talking about. One thing I should
add here for anybody that you knowis trying to communicate with their angels,

(01:40:24):
thinks they're communicating with their angels,to always preface statements questions with in light
and love, because just like thearch angel Asrael, Asrael is the angel
of death and he flips good andbad. So Asrael is the one that

(01:40:53):
helps us to do the crossoverian asYeah, but Asriel will also get you
in trouble to possibly do you harm. So that's why, always, always,
always, you don't want the fallenangels coming in. And they're tricksters.

(01:41:13):
I mean, it sometimes is toughto tell what they are for me
with the ringing in the ears.If it's my right ear, I know
it's the light Angels. If it'sin my left ear, I know it's
somebody who's trying to take me downa rabbit hole, And so I just
ignore it. What if it's justgonna like blow your head up, like

(01:41:36):
I'm not I wasn't kidding when Iwas talking earlier about how sometimes lately it's
so intense, like it feels likejust a huge pressure in my skull,
Like it's not even coming from theleft or right. It's just there and
it hurts and for you know,only for like two or three seconds,

(01:41:57):
and I'm like, guys, whatare you trying to tell so damn urgently?
And then you'll you know, it'llgo away in time, but I
mean, it's it's gotten bad orI'm just like, like it hurts,
right, So I mean, whathappens when you have that and it's not
in the left or the right?Are they just getting too excited? I

(01:42:21):
mean I would I would just simplysay when when, when it's like a
boom, I would just you know, in your mind say in light and
love, I've got it. You'rehere. I know, I know you're
trying to get to me. Igot it. Well lately, it's pretty
much. And I got this fromseeing when I was talking to her about

(01:42:42):
it. I pretty much I justsay I I don't understand you. You
need to find another way of communicatingwith me. And then you know,
a couple more seconds later and it'llgo away. But you know, at
least I'm aware of it now,whereas before I was just like, that's
really annoying, and then move onand then move on with life. But

(01:43:03):
another thing, though, Mike Iwould recommend is just grab a piece of
paper or a pan or pencil,whatever whatever you got handy, and just
just start writing what what If it'sa single word, if it's multiple words,
so like automatic writing, what's poppingthrough, and see if you can
get something to make sense from that. It may or may not work.

(01:43:27):
I can't guarantee it, but it'sworth a shot. I guarantee the first
writer write down is ouch because that'ssomething coming to mind at that time.
But I get, I get whatyou're saying, and I mean sometimes I'm
just I'm not in a position todo it. Like like I said,

(01:43:48):
it's sometimes I'm laying down in bedand the lights are off and I'm trying
to go to sleep. Other timesI'm at work. I mean, I
realize that it's happening. It's justI don't know exactly what they're trying to
tell me or what they're trying todo or anything like that. And you
would think that as angels, theywould find a better way of communicating.

(01:44:11):
But speaking of which, a whileago, it's probably what four or five
months ago now, March, somethinglike that, I was in the middle
of a decision that I had tomake. I've talked about it on the
air on the show before, andI was on the eve, the night

(01:44:34):
or whatever of me having to makethat final decision of whether I was going
to do something or not. AndI woke up and for whatever reason,
I was like, I do thatoften. I hit my phone, like
to turn on to see what timeit is. How much longer do I
have to sleep? Am I gonnahave to wake up? That kind of

(01:44:54):
thing? And I noticed at thetime, which I typically don't wake up
at, was four forty four inthe morning, and got to do my
business because I had an empty theladder. But something screamed at me,
look those numbers up, because youknow, repetitious numbers are often angel communication.

(01:45:19):
Yeah, and looked it up,and it was honestly exactly what I
was looking for. You know,you're on the right path. We're here
to you know, we're here tosupport you, and blah blah blah,
message from God, YadA YadA.But there are also other definitions for it
too, like a message from aloved one, And I'm like, yeah,

(01:45:41):
that doesn't fit. So two questionshere, two parts One, why
would they choose to you know,as Dave was talking about such a cryptic
way of communication if that is theirway of communicating. And two like you

(01:46:02):
go online and you're like, whatis the symbolic thing for four four four?
And then it comes up with thisdefinition. But it's humans who are
coming up with these definitions. SoI mean, how do we know a
that it's a spiritunity, that it'san angel communication and not just a random
time and b that what we're readingon the internets a lot of everybody goes

(01:46:28):
on the internet now that the definitionsthat come up for that number are actually
what the message is supposed to be. It comes from numerology, which of
course a lot of the current modernday religions don't believe in it. They

(01:46:48):
pooh pooh it just same like horoscopes. And so people who study astrology and
numerology and all that, they havestudied the sky the universe, and after
multiple, you know, different experimentsand however they go about conducting that they

(01:47:12):
have found the consistencies. And itgoes back to the research that they've done
also of looking at things like fromthe Ananaki and in the Egyptians and what
they believed those things to be alsoto see where that thread lies, where's
the commonality, where's the common theme, And then when they find that,

(01:47:33):
it's like, well, bingo.If we're talking about about going back tens
of thousands of years and that wasthe message and that seems to still be
the message, then that must bethe message. So it goes. It's
part science based, and that's whereyou know, the spirituality and the science

(01:47:54):
it all comes together, and itdoes go together. They both compliment each
other, which is what makes mecrazy when people say, well science and
religion don't match, and it's like, oh, a bunch of bozo's.
They actually compliment each other where youpay attention, you know, it all
makes sense and it all fits togetherand they both have the answers that we
need. So yeah, So itcomes from years and years and years of

(01:48:18):
study and testing and people just doingover and over and over. So if
I went to a site Ryan's angeldefinitionsdot com, that's probably not a good
source. Well it could be Ididn't go there, that's not the actual

(01:48:39):
website, and I don't think soI just made it up. So I
just wanted Dave's looking at me like, oh, you moron, but I
didn't, Dave just saying I'm sorry, Jodie did interrupt. Go ahead,
Yeah, I mean, do weknow that any of this is one hundred

(01:49:02):
percent? No, we don't.We can only go with what we know
to the best of our abilities,our knowledge, you know, things that
we can base things on. Iknow, when I was going through seminary,
before I started, my senior pastorhad said to me, if you

(01:49:26):
come out of there with your faithand tact it will be nothing short of
a miracle. And I'm like,wait, what I get in there?
And I've got these professors with PhDsthat know not only the Bible, but
they've studied all these other, youknow, religious texts from other religions,

(01:49:50):
and some of studied Sascrit and allof this. And they're talking about where
it talks about aliens in the Bible, where it talks about you know,
the Enochs, the nepheline, andall of this kind of stuff. And
I'm just like, I didn't learnthis in Bible school. I don't know

(01:50:11):
what you're talking about, you know, just sitting there, my eyes had
to be that big. And Ieven went back to my home congregation and
one of the pastors that was amember. He said to me, so
have you learned about the aliens yetin seminary? And I'm like, are
you kid me? So this isreal what they're telling us. He's like,

(01:50:31):
but people like the Bible doesn't talkabout aliens. Yes, it does,
it does. There's so much that'sinterwoven in it. And I mean,
when you think about it, it'sbased on math as well. There
are so many different math codes ineverything within the Bible. It's insane.

(01:50:51):
So to say that the angels arebringing your messages and they don't do this
and they don't do that, that'sa lot of horse hockey as far as
I'm concerned, because anything is possible. You just got to figure it out.
Well, here's what I think.I think that something we haven't said
tonight, but that plays an absolutelymajor role in everything that we're talking about

(01:51:15):
is faith. You got to havefaith in what you feel is right.
And I think that the true answerscome from that, you know, honestly,
I mean that's what that's what Ifeel. I mean, I feel
like in my I call it mySpidey sense, Like right, so,
when if I'm on a paranormal investigation, or I'm at a house and I'm

(01:51:36):
helping a family and their kids arehaving a hard time because they're seeing something
in the closet or whatever. LikeI am, I always follow my gut
because I know I have faith inthe fact that my body and or my
angels, and that's the way theycommunicate with me, are telling me that

(01:51:58):
when I get into a certain situtionsituations, that I get that empty butter
bowl of butterfly feeling in my stomach, and that is when I know that
I need to be on alert goodor bad. Doesn't it doesn't mean it's
bad all the time, good orbad, but that I know when that
feeling arises, that I have tobe on alert that something is there or

(01:52:24):
something is going to happen, andthat I need to be one hundred percent
focused and committed to experience it safely. Be the best way I could say
it. And and that all tome boils back down again to faith,
faith in yourself, faith in ahigher power, you know, faith in

(01:52:47):
whatever. Mm hmm yep. AndMike getting back to you for your question,
when you were like, well,how do I know that four four
four is just not some random timeI had to wake up and pete because
you got to have faith that itwas a sign that was sent to you.
Yeah, that's what I would say, But you didn't until right now.

(01:53:09):
Well because I was letting Jody talkand then you haven't shut up for
the last half hours, so Ihaven't had a chance to jump in.
Yes you did anyway. Uh.Rest of the show is yours, Dave
ask No, No, we're good, We're good. You don't have any
no, whatever Jody wants to talkabout, I'm good. I got my
last point in. I'm ending onfaith. Okay, Well, so whatever

(01:53:30):
Jody would like to cover. Let'stalk about Mount Shasta. You've never even
got to Mount Shasta and Luis sureis how like going to cover it in
six minutes? But let's there anyway. Uh, Jody, why don't you
why don't you tell us about yourupcoming all of your upcoming events? Well,
boy, yeah, there's there's awhole bunch of them. Mount Shasta

(01:53:53):
is the biggest one right now.Sarah Lemos and I are doing a retreat
there over a Labor Day weekend.We've got or tickets left, that's it.
If anybody is interested, and weare going to be doing some absolutely
amazing things. We just did kindof our final planning meeting the other day
and we're doing everything from angel stargazingmeditations to Sarah is actually going to teach

(01:54:15):
automatic writing and I'm going to teachsome automatic drawing, and Sarah will be
doing a gallery reading. I'm goingto teach a masterclass, and we've just
got all kinds of good stuff goingon there. I will be at Rock
Island para Con, as will Sarah. We're going to do together talk,
if you will, because it goesoff of our podcast series that we did

(01:54:40):
together called Unveiling Visitants, where it'sSpirit versus Angel and it's sort of like
a matchup. What are we talkingabout here? Is it Spirit? Is
it Angel? And we look atevidence and we have just a ton of
fun with that, and then she'sgoing to do a separate talk and as
I will too. We are alsoalready planning Sarah and I for Sedona next

(01:55:01):
April. We're going to do anotherretreat down there, and it's really cool
because Shasta is the root chakra ofthe world actually, and Sedona is like
the convergence of the heart chakra.It's got the sacral, the crown the
root and solar plexus chakra's there,and so we're hearing everything around this,

(01:55:24):
and so it will be different thanShasta, and we're already starting planning on
that. My third book will beout, hopefully within a month. I
sure hope it will be. Ikind of got the point where I was
overwhelmed and it's like, I guessI got to step away from it.
But it's on the soul and howangels are the protectors of our soul and

(01:55:47):
how does that look? And Itake it all the way back to all
the ancient writings and everything and whatthey were already saying about that, and
I bring it up to present daywith a a lot of mystery to it
as well. That's all I'll say. Here in the Twin Cities. I've

(01:56:09):
got a gathering, if you will, coming up on November sixth that I'm
calling the Holiday Survival Party. Sofor people who are like, oh crap,
tinsel turkey, I'm already tired.I don't know what to do.
Since I'm also a life coach,it's going to be how do you survive

(01:56:31):
all the chaos of the holidays,And of course you roll the angels in
because they're your final safety net toget you through. And then I've got
one on December fourth that is navigatinggrief, surviving and embracing the Holidays when
you're grieving, and that's not justthe loss of a family member or a

(01:56:51):
friend or a pet, but itcould be loss of your job or if
you've retired all of a sudden,you know, your career, it's it's
it's your lost because that's gone,or even a lot of people have lost
their their identity. They don't knowwho they are anymore. And holidays are

(01:57:11):
just really tough because it's supposed tobe this wonderful, joyous time and it's
like, I'm depressed. So I'mdoing a gathering on that to help people,
you know, learn how to navigatethat grief and have a better holiday
season. So and then one morebook is coming up. The angels already
have it planet in the back ofmy head. It's called Shadow and Light

(01:57:36):
because I'm a shadow healer. It'sgoing to be how do you use the
angels to do shadow healing? SoI'm kind of busy, Yeah, just
yeah, you're busy, and soso Dave. With the couple of minutes

(01:57:58):
we have left. Since she justup shadowing light, why don't you ask
her your question see if she mustgive an opinion. No, oh okay,
then sorry, Jody, you're notable to give your opinion on that
one. No, I am.I am interested in that Sidona trip.
I'm interested in the Mount Shasta triptoo, but I physically don't think I

(01:58:19):
can make that trip. But Iam interested in that Sadona trip coming up
because I have been thinking that Ineed to get back out to Sedona for
some of the vibrational love that's comingout of those fortexes, because I think
for a while now I've had somethingtelling me that that's where I need to
be to heal. It's huge forthat. Yeah, So so I might

(01:58:44):
be joining you for that, uh, Jody. Two last things, One,
thank you for coming on having ofcourse, do you think that after
your Mount Shasta retreat that you andSarah could come on to talk about if

(01:59:08):
anything amazing happened during that time orwhat your impressions of Mount Shasta were.
Yeah? Absolutely, that would begreat, excellent. You'll have to convince
Sarah to do so, but ifanybody can, it's you. And second,

(01:59:28):
if anybody wants to get a holdof you. If anybody wants to
get tickets to Mount Shasta, howwould they go ahead and do that?
You can either go to my website, which is chaplain spelled out Chaplain Jody
Jody with an I dot m Elike in me Me, Me, Me
Me, Or you can go toextreme Ticketing dot com and just put in

(01:59:50):
Mount Shasta and and it will popup there as well. Like I said,
there's only four tickets left, sowhich we are very very excited about.
It's going to be an awesome time. And I feel like Dave says
that, you know, he wouldlike to go to Sedona guys. For
those of you that are listening,we've got four guys going to Shasta.

(02:00:15):
So this is not just a funlittle women get away. Well, now
that I know that, like theratio of men to women is like ten
to one, I'm far more interestednow that I was previously. Well,
you know, and that's the otherthing. We got enough time, I'll
just I'll do this really quick.We keep this really small. It's a

(02:00:40):
max of thirty people because Sarah andI want to make sure that everybody gets
the best possible experience that they can. And so this is not some big
group thing. It's a max ofthirty people. Excellent because I'm actually a
really big fan of that. Itry to run my events, my paranormal
events, the same the same way. Yeah. So all right, well

(02:01:03):
that does it for us. Jodyagain, thank you for for coming on,
uh hanging out, because we're gonnabe talking after the show. So
yeah. So Dave and I willbe back next week with another brand new
episode. Stay tuned for that.Until then, stay healthy, stay safe,
everyone, have a great night.

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