Episode 309 - Sedona_ AZ - The Odyssey Files Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Sh I I God.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Good evening, paranormal community, thank you once again for partaking
in the wonderfulness that is the Alsey Files. I'm your host,
Michael O'Neil barely tonight, uh with me after a two

(01:39):
week hiatus is uh my co host, mister David Sorry,
good evening, Dave.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Good evening, Mike, good evening, everybody. It's good to be
back to do and some places to go, and so
it's good to be back. Got a good, good topic tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
Yes, we do Sedona, Arizona. Yeah, and I didn't realize it,
so no, that kind of rhymes.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
It's kind of rhyme, doesn't it lill bit like a
little wordplay.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
We go that far? But okay, I want to maybe No.
I honestly, when I uh, back in April, when my
father passed away, I had to I flew down there
on a Sunday morning help load up the U haul

(02:32):
of all the stuff my sister and I were bringing back,
and then I had to drive it back to Minnesota.
And as I was heading up seventeen or I seventeen,
I saw the the exit for Stona and I was like, oh,

(02:53):
I want to go. I'm like, but I have a
U haul and a long trip I had and I
can't and because at that time, I mean it was
later in the afternoon. I mean it was probably six
seven o'clock in the evening, so I hitting it right
at the proper time. But yeah, I want to go there.

(03:19):
I'm like Tina Fey in this one where I'm like,
I want to go to there. And you and I
both know that next year the Mysterious Adventure Tours is
going to have elite like a week or a week
or ten days or something like that in Sedona. Uh,

(03:39):
And we are both both interested in attending that to
see to see everything. And it honestly shocks Me's doing
research for the show, I saw how many tours they have,
Like the whole the whole city is just too now.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
That's all it is. And it's either tours, metaphysical shops,
jewelry shops, or airbnbs.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
As a matter of fact, I've got clients that I
talked to frequently that are right there in that area,
and they're like, did you know that Sedona has.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
More Airbnb rentals than it has homes? Like people who
live in homes. There's like it's going back a little
while I think it was twenty one that I found
was the last census and it was just under eleven
thousand people. But I would bet now with all of

(04:41):
the spirituality that has moved in there and kind of
probably ruined it from what I remembered as. And I'm
not trying to be negative, you know. I just I
was there in the eighties and the nineties and the
place was magical and there was no There was like
one old guy who was given tours, you know, like

(05:04):
with a donkey or something. I mean, it was just
you know, and then you had your like rock shops
and you know, gem you had a couple of gem
stores and stuff like that. But it was really like
old West dirt town kind.

Speaker 4 (05:20):
Of like just just felt it just felt raw back then.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
And I don't think it's like that anymore.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
No, I can't imagine. I mean the mainstream of just
a paranormal in general. Yeah, and the whole rapture of
everything that is in that area, and just the now
it's almost like the hype of the area is what's

(05:51):
bringing in everybody, including us at some point.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
But I mean, I've been there, I'm interested to go back.
I'm interested to go I really I want to go
spend some quality time at the energy of Board Texas
and see if it has any effect on healing my back.
So that's the whole purpose of me going. I want
to go to the places that I've been to where
I felt something that I couldn't explain at the time,

(06:21):
and I want to go back there and see if
it benefits my back at all.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
It's a good call. I mean, some of these vortexes
have been known obviously to to have healing powers and
stuff like that. So yeah, I mean we're going to
be seen. We're gonna be talking about it during the
second hour. Exactly what are we talking about? What is
going on in Sedona? And there's a lot more than

(06:48):
I think. There's a lot more than just vordtaxes, vortices sorry,
which is the plural obviously of Fort Texas. But but yeah,
we're going to be talking about that.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
So before we jump into the show, I wanted to
just give a shout out because it's been a couple
of weeks to all Team USA in the Olympics because
they are just killing it, so big shout out to
all the Olympics and Olympics.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
We we just we just took over the number one
spot for the amount of medals. I mean it was
listed pretty much whoever had the most goals golds, yeah,
gold medals was you know, the ranking of regardless of
how many medals total. But we just tied China with

(07:36):
nineteen goals. But we have seventy one medals total.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah. The next closest is like fifty four or something.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Like that, forty five China.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Well it's even worse forty five. Yeah, So all domination.
So a shout out to all of the athletes that
are just killing it in France at the Olympics. Congratulations
to all of you.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I agree. I have not watched a lot of the Olympics.
I've just been working way too much. And and that's it.
It's really the other reason I'm just not just just
yelling nothing.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
My life just working well.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
I I do. And that's why I'm very like, you
know tonight, just because, as I was telling Dave before
we got on the air, UH, I had investigation last night,
which is the first of multiple ones UH in the
same area to line up a big presentation we are
doing on Halloween, but did not get home until like

(08:41):
a quarter to six. You know and bet at six sleep. Yeah,
that's am by the way.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Everybody, Yeah, some people probably think quarter six, that's that's
I get home from work at six thirty. But what
you complained about, you know, that's that's working all day
and then being up all night investigating and getting home
at six a.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
No, well I did not work. I didn't. I went
in like I always do, for a total of five
minutes and then yeah yeah, and then came home actually
had a nap. I never ever get a nap, and

(09:21):
then proceeded to drive seven hours total over the course
of the next you know, twelve so fun times. But
that is the life of an investigator people. I just
want to throw that out there because we we always get,
you know, the stories and the questions about becoming an

(09:42):
investigator and welcome to it. Prepare for the behind the scenes.
Here I am. Here, I am people. See this pale
complexion that's in your future.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Yeah, the zero sun.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
What's interesting is that I'm tan. It's hell because of
my job, but not really the head because after where
I had I was going to look at me, I know, well,
I mean I could probably turn down the lighting a
little bit.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
And maybe a white shirt on which would like contrast
and show off your tan because white always shows up.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I don't know a little better except now.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
I'm a little except now you're fuzzy.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, that's all right. I'll just be dead tonight. Yeah.
The only people that that are going to care about
that people who watch them live so exactly. But yeah,
but anyway, I didn't mention my presentation that's coming up
on Halloween. I'll have more details on that later. If

(10:53):
you guys, any of you guys are interested in joining,
that should be pretty sweet. I've always wanted to like
investigate eight own and this is like, uh primo opportunity
for for myself and the team. So uh yeah, and

(11:14):
this one's got everything pretty much except demons. We just
throw that out there. No demons here.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
It's totally wasting your time then.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I know, just it's just not interesting. So I think
because you went above and beyond for some odd reason,
got a whole bunch of different different stories, many of
which uh I have already. I felt my blood pressure rising,

(11:45):
so thank you for that.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Those specifically, I was like, oh, he's going to love
that one.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
And you even gave yourself one and I'm like, you mother, effort.
I'm like, how dare you? How dadn't you take that
one for but here we go or not? Yeah, it's
proud to present the mail bag. It's really interesting, like

(12:18):
when you hit the button and you're.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Like, you're no, never mind, we're not going.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Trying, We're going. We're now, let's try that one again
exactly all right, here we go. Story number one. My
house is haunted, please help, which is good. So we
just moved into a new place. It's a brand new
twenty twenty four trailer in a trailer park. We've lived

(12:48):
there for a little over a month now, and just
recently I've been experiencing some unexplained events. One night, me
and my dog was laying on the couch kind of
falling asleep, and all of a sudden we hear loud
crickling noise coming from the bedroom hallway where the kids sleep,
since my kids were staying the night at my mom's.

(13:09):
My dog heard it and jumped up. It was creepy,
but I shrugged it off. The next uh, the next
few days, A few days later. Sorry, these have not been.

Speaker 3 (13:21):
They were not proof read by me. They got the law,
That's why it said.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Unfiltered here we go. Uh the mail bag un you know, raw, ununfiltered. Anyway,
a few days later, my kids were in bed and
it was like one am, and I heard a voice
checked out my kids and they were dead asleep, and
it just didn't sound like their voice anyways. Again, shrugged

(13:47):
it off because maybe sleep talking. The other night, we
were all in the living room doing a sleepovers. We
were all sleeping in the living room and while everyone
else is sleeping, I heard a loud voice saying hello
from the kids's bedroom hallway, again, followed by tapping sounds. Now,

(14:08):
the next day I went to check out the kids's
bedrooms and stepped out a toy in my kid's room
and it was the same voice. However, you need to
push a button to make this go off. This is
when I'm officially scared and convinced that it's not explainable.
My fiance then left to go out of town for
a couple days with the kids to visit his dad.

(14:30):
Last night was the worst night of them all. The
bathroom fan next to my son's room turned on. I
went and turned it off, started walking away. Then I
heard my son's fan in his bedroom turn on, and
I ran to my room, got in my bed, and
there was begging on the bottom of the bed so
hard the bed was shaking. My heart started pounding, and

(14:54):
my feet and legs felt really hot and tinging. I
called my mom, crying and begging for her to come over.
She came over, and I left and stayed the night
with her. Now I'm one to look at everything logic. Now,
I want to look at every logical explanation before thinking
of paranormal activity. But there was no explanation for this.

(15:15):
This was banging, pounding on the bed really loud. I
don't know what to do. My fiance goes out of
town for work for three months and I'm scared to
be there alone. So a lot to a lot to
unpack here. But I think that there can be two

(15:35):
explanations for this, and the second one well really both
are going to take some testing and some more information.
But the first one is obviously if you have had
my question, you would if you've had experiences before this,
because if you had, then I would say that this
is probably some sort of maybe even multiple spirits being

(16:02):
attracted to you because you have some sort of abilities.
But again that would there's no reason why that would
all of a sudden happen in this new place if
you had abilities that had never happened before. So that's
kind of a question that needs to be asked. The

(16:22):
second thing that it could be is that, uh, and
this would depend on kind of your own personal well
being and mental mental acuity and stuff like that. And
I say that because it could be, you know, some

(16:42):
sort of poltergeist. You know, this was stressful, the stressful move,
a stressful buy, you know that that sort of thing.
Maybe moving in, things are going wrong, the kids are bothering,
you know whatever. You can develop this type of thing
as a slow moving type entity building event and they'll

(17:09):
do things like the crickling and it will have like hello,
you know that sort of thing. Obviously, because you are
in a trailer park, a lot of people are close together.
I've delivered to the many, many many of them, and
they're like, you are literally like ten feet away from
your neighbor. It could be possible the voices that you

(17:29):
are hearing or coming from outside. I don't know what
the insulation and sound proofing of your home is. Obviously
coming from outside is going to do the banging on
the bed underneath the bed especially so Spirit is definitely
trying to get your attention for some reason. I I

(17:53):
would say, is Dave more than likely will agree with,
is you need to set your boundaries. You know, just
because you're in a twenty twenty four trailer that was
just you know, just built, doesn't mean that there wasn't
a spirit three three you know trailers down that is
attracted to you and wants to come and you know,

(18:14):
visit you every single night, or that the trailer that
was there beforehand that was moved out. I don't know
if there was was or not, but something could have
happened on that plot and your house that went into
the place of something else. It's so facto you have,

(18:35):
you know, your own your own haunting now. So I
mean there's a lot of things you can do. Have
it blessed, you know. I obviously you could have it staged.
It won't necessarily get rid of the the entity. It
might maybe it'll just be like, ugh, she's going to
do this now, I don't want to be here and

(18:56):
and just leave you alone, or as Dave and I
like to say, set your boundaries, leave me alone. You
know you're not welcome here, or if you're trying to
get a message. Maybe try somebody else, because I am
not in a position to do anything with that information.

(19:16):
I can't hear you, I can't understand you. You're gonna
need to go someplace else, but stay the ground, and
I understand that. It's it's scary, it's upsetting, especially you know,
in a brand new home when you have kids that
you're worried about. But so far, I mean it, I

(19:39):
really can't say the pounding on the bed as an attack,
but like nobody has been injured. It's just been a
severe I'm here, pay attention to me type of thing
that's gotten increasingly more intense. So yeah, so I got
to go ahead.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
All right, So I am partially on page with you. Obviously,
stand your ground and assert yourself that this is your place.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
And that that whatever this thing is that's there that's
messing with you is not welcome.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Second thing I would do is I would have the
house blessed. Even a non denominational even if you're not Catholic,
if you're a Christian, if you're whatever, you can find
a non denominational pastor that will come in and just
give good vibes and good energy to the property. I
think what's going on here is I think it's malicious

(20:37):
number one, because it started off with, you know, your
home alone, so you're vulnerable. Your son's fan turns on
in the bedroom or in the bathroom, right, and then
so could be just a you know, it's a new trailer.
I understand that, but could be just a glitch, right.
But then the fan turns on in his bedroom, I

(20:59):
don't think. So that's something trying to mess with you.
And then you run and scared to your bedroom and
this thing follows you to your bedroom and starts messing
with you while you're in your safe spot. So like
you're in your bed, thinking I'm in bed, I'm safe.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
I've got my blankets, my covers are here, I'm good,
and this thing starts banging on the bottom of the
bed and really scaring the hell out of you.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
I think that whatever it is is malicious. I don't
think it's evil. I think it's probably just some jerk
that is attached to the land.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
And I think that you need to have it removed
because I don't think it's going to go away on
its own.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
And that's it.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yeah, I got nothing to another add.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Nope, I mean, just you know, get it out of there,
move it on wherever it needs to go. Get it
out of your place, however you need to. Okay, So
I know Mike's gonna love this one. Normal activity testing.
I've been interested in paranormal activities for a very long time,
actually since my childhood, but until now I've not had

(22:08):
any such experiences. I participated in invoking ghosts with Wuiji
boards and stuff several times as a boy with my friends,
but we had no success. Quickly got scared and stopped
the sessions. We tried to do it with the glass
in order to make it move, but the result was
all the same. There were a few more attempts, but

(22:29):
with similar outcomes of absolutely no activity. Can someone suggest
the fastest and easiest way to test whether supernatural beings
and other dimensions exist? No, because if we could do that,
science would already be on our side, and science would

(22:51):
be moving the realm of the paranormal forward instead of
constantly moving us backwards because they refuse to participate and
accept it as a real science. So quick, easy answer, No,
there is no fast, easy way to test for supernatural

(23:12):
beings and whether other dimensions exist. But I appreciate the
candid asking of that question, but no, there is no
simple answer. That's why we're out here doing this, That's
why we get That's why we spend fifty hours at
a location, spend two hundred hours going through evidence review

(23:34):
and catch two class aevps or something on film or
a great photo and get elated when we do and
share it with those who know and do what we
do because they want to see it because they are
doing the same thing that we're doing. You're minimalizing the

(23:55):
efforts being put in by the paranormal community with that question.
But I'm gonna let it slide because I know probably.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Isn't you know. I was thinking as I was reading
these and then afterwards when I was fuming over these
ye that I know that I'm marsh in some of
my some of my thumb of my answers. And the

(24:24):
reason for that is, and Dave and I have talked
about this a lot, there are dangers in what we do.
There are always risks. I tell that to every single
person who comes to investigate on my team. And I
love the fact that the paranormal field, you know, unlike

(24:48):
the medical field or the pharmaceutical field, or you know,
any sort of You don't need any sort of special degree.
It allows everybody to come in and be a part
of it. With that said, that doesn't mean everybody should
be a part of it. And Dave and I have

(25:12):
talked about intent, you know, we've talked about the reasons
for why you get into the paranormal field. And we're
really trying paranormal investigators, not so much ghost hunters, but
paranormal investigators really want to bridge that gap between science

(25:35):
and the paranormal. You know, I'm a big, big proponent
of the paranormal of today is just the science of tomorrow.
We will figure it out. We will find a way
to make to be able to do everything that we
are trying and experiment with today will be easy in
the next maybe fifty to one hundred years. We will

(25:57):
figure it out, but not today. And so when people
write in or they are post videos or tell stories
about how they trespassed into this place, or they went
there and they started screaming at this and this is

(26:19):
the or they mess with the Ouiji board and they're
trying to invoke this demon, that sets us back a
lot because you make a mockery of what we are
trying to do. So with that set, that's the reason
why I go a little bit harsh, because they don't

(26:41):
want to mesh words or leave the fact that maybe
there's a maybe there's a gray area in there, maybe
there's a place for no, no, there's not, so I
I with that set, everything that you were doing is crap.

(27:02):
I just you're trying to invote ghosts with wigi bor.
What are you going to do when you when you
get that, like you just you haven't Nobody thinks of
the consequences. Nobody thinks what am I going to do
if I succeed? But you're here being like what's the

(27:23):
easiest way? What's the fastest way? That's there's nothing fast
and easy about anything that we do, except except when
there's a you know, running out of the door or
running out of the house or whatever, when there's a
knock on the wall. You know, that's fast and easy,
except we don't do that. So we don't do that.
I guess we know better, right, So and and and

(27:48):
this is where like you seem to be like you're
trying to to find like this fast and easy way
two like find ghosts, And I mean, what are you
going to do. Let's say you find another dimension another
dimension S tries to contact you, what are you going
to do? Maybe? Well, then hell, we won't have to

(28:12):
answer this question exactly.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
More texting shot out on the other side, and then
the door closes and welcome to your greatest wish it
was your.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
Desire, testing testing done.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Yep, I hope you enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
So I agree with Dave just no know on the
fact that there is no fast and easy way of
doing this, and no because I wouldn't tell you if
there was.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
No, but there is, there is. There is how many
thousands and thousands of hours I have spent trying to
find answers to questions, and you know, I'm gonna be
done and gone, and somebody else is going to fill
my boots and spend another forty years and thousands and

(29:03):
thousands of hours.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
So it's interesting this question comes up because at the
investigation that I had last night, I actually started asking
questions of because there was an intuitive there had just
met her for the first time. She was invited by
somebody else not associated with my team, directly associated with

(29:27):
my team anyway, who I did not know about, and
who did not hear my rules. So naturally she started
answering the questions for the spirits, which is a big
no no. And but been there before, you know, it's

(29:50):
it's a good place. I was interested kind of and
what was what was going on? I would have preferred
not to have to do it, but you know whatever,
but she did pick up almost channel like.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
That.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
The main male spirit of this home, who was a
former congressman, was confused because to him, he had answered
our questions and we were like, can you do this?
Can you do like? We were just continuing to ask

(30:29):
more when he's like, I already did it. What more
do I have to do in order to show you
that I'm here other than what I've already done? And
I honestly had to explain to him, here's the disconnect
between your side and mind. And I don't know if

(30:49):
that worked, But that's hours of evidence to go over,
that's hours of driving, that's hours of investigation. There's no
fast and easy way of doing anything in this field.
And it's the people who think that there is that
either a majorly screw up or two do not last

(31:14):
long in this field in general, because they see that
it's not easy. They see that it's not fast, and
they don't want to put the time and energy into it.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
I think it makes them dangerous.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
It does make them dangerous the people that are around
and the location.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
Right, because they're going to try and take whatever shortcut
they see as an opportunity to not have to put
the time and energy forth.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
And those shortcuts are what usually gets you in trouble
because you start stepping out of the realm of intelligent boundaries,
things that you should be aware of, things that you
should be aware not to do. And then you start
skipping over that stuff because you want instantaneous gratification, and
that makes it dangerous for every person who's there.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
And that's why so many people love the spirit Box.
It's that instinct gratification. Oh my god, I heard the
spirit I didn't have to listen to three hours of
audio in order to get this. Yes, that turned out
to be a bit, you know, not not an answer.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
No, I know you don't like the spirit Box. So
we have had some great responses.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I agree. I had every investigation with the spirit Box session.
I just did not make it the central part of
what I'm doing there. That that's all but h uh
oh there because I'm like, I had a point, because
what what you were saying, you and I have seen it.

(32:40):
Let's i'll just take for our for our when we
first went there, amazing place. We've talked about it on
the show for many, many times. But over time, when
they started allowing more and more people in and not
watching what they were doing, people are bringing in ouigi bors,
They're starting to conjure stuff, they're bringing their invokings, trying
to invokee spirits to this person had written in, and

(33:04):
they're opening the door to other spirits who don't belong
there to come on in and change the whole dynamic
of the place is very it's dangerous, it's reckless, and
I I can't tell you. I mean, Dave knows this
because I sent it to him. I won't use his name.

(33:25):
But the person who went on Twitter and was like, hey,
don't listen to those people who are like do this,
you know, go ahead, experiment, dabble, and I'm.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
Like, ah, I start twitching.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah. So I mean that's why I am harsh. I
don't necessarily need to be, but everybody needs to understand
where we where I am coming from, and I mean,
I don't want to speak for Dave, but you know
just where investigators in general who have my type of
mentality come from.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
Well, the perfect example is the last event we had
it fer Our, when we told specifically told the people
that were there not to go after the principle. You're
not go in there and provoke. Don't do it. You
want to go in there and have a conversation with him,
that's fine, but don't go in there and start provoking. Sure, shit,

(34:26):
what happened.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Went in there and started provoking.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
But he starts provoking, and then all of a sudden,
she's standing in the corner crying like, can you guys
please go back in.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
There with me?

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Because I don't know. He's mad at me and I
even take him home with me and I don't want
to do that.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Yeah, m h yeah, we'll go back in there with him.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, that's when we compare normal janitors. That's when it
comes hourly.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
That's what I like to say. It's free until you
do stupid shit, and then I my time is worth
five hundred dollars an hour. You don't want to go
home with the principal, that's fine, Let's go talk to him.
Two hour minimum five hundred dollars an hour. You guys
just walked in there and did exactly what I told
you not to do, and now you're coming to me

(35:09):
crying for help.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
The stupidity clause, the clause.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Gets gets five hundred bucks an hour from my time.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Absolutely that might even go up a little bit too,
depending on the situation.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
But anyway, I digress. Let's get yeah story.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I I don't even understand this next one, Like I
just I don't even know where to start. I mean
beyond like just reading it. And you guys will understand
what I mean when I went, when I finished the
jump to number four, then no, no, we're gonna do it. Okay, Okay,
I just just giving people the heads up the foreshadowing. Okay.

(35:56):
The ghost Hunter and his ghosts. I have been chasing
ghosts into these demons now and again, and in all
that time, I have never had an attachment to me
of any kind for all these years, never one. The
title says, my ghosts I have three. One is a
small girl we think we think could be sevenish, in

(36:20):
a bright dress and blonde hair. She is mischievous. She
she likes to mess with our cats too. The other
we have only seen a few times. My wife continues
to feel his presence though we do not see him.
This goes but firs to be outside walking past windows,
scared of scared the living crap out of my wife.

(36:41):
The other one is a shadow person. I have seen
her several times. She is always in our hallway, just
standing there. The first time I saw her, we met
to I. I said your move, and she faded away.
None of these ones frighten or scare us. That it
takes a lot to scare us.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
Didn't you just say his wife kept the cap scared
out of her?

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Goe. I was going to get to that, Dave, just
reading this, it takes a lot to scare us. Recently,
I've seen a new one. He is a shadow that
moves quickly near me, past me, reflected in the window
at me. But I have never met it face to face.
When I moved to Surprise, Arizona twelve years ago. If

(37:29):
you had told me we would have ghosts, I would
have said, I do hope so, and I guess be
careful of what you ask for. This male failure seems
very familiar yet not. I know that sounds nuts nuts.
I have been thinking about when I first noticed it.
My mom is in late stage dementia. It's day to day,

(37:50):
of course, but I can't shape the feeling that I
know this entity. Could it be somebody waiting for my
mom to die? First of all, who like your entire message?
Your entire writing of this is one big contradiction after another.

(38:11):
I've never had an attachment, but I have three ghosts.
We never get scared. It takes a lot of scares.
VI sentity scared the crap out of my wife. It's
just I just I I want to I want to
scratch my face off, Like that's that's how I just

(38:31):
feel about this. I'm going to, honestly, I'm going to
skip over everything that you wrote except the part about
your mom. That's the only part in this message I
feel actually has any sort of importance. Everything else, I
think is sorry to say, another harsh moment, your dumb assory. Like,

(38:56):
I just I don't think you know anything of what
you're talking about, and especially the fact you call yourself
the ghost hunter. Uh, just whatever you're referring to yourself.
And the third third is that the third or is
that the second? Because I'm like he's given himself a title.
And then referring to.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Himself a third person perspective.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, yeah, okay, that's what I thought. Third person, third
person perspective. That's like me coming on and being like, hey, welcome,
I'm the host of the podcaster. Like that's just no.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Talk about yourself as your titled name. Yes, like you know,
David really likes to do this, and David really likes
to do that. And then I'm David, and you know
what I'm saying. So instead of saying I really like
to do this or I really like to do that,
you say, David really likes to do this.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, yeah, don't do that.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Somebody like that for about five minutes and I just
walked away. Way, see you later.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
So anyway, I am sorry to hear about your mom.
Absolutely don't take any of my harshness towards you, as
you know that that the tragedy you you're currently going
through is you know, somehow like less important. It's not.
So I guess my my question to you would be

(40:20):
how long has this been been going on? Like how
long have you been seeing this figure? Because yes, you
you absolutely it absolutely could be a spirit of maybe
it's your grandfather, maybe it's your mother's grandfather, somebody associated
with your mom's history who is there to bring her
to the other side when it is time for her

(40:41):
to go. You seeing it and uh not coming face
to face with its irrelevant you. Whether you see it
or not is irrelevant. I don't think it's there for you,
has nothing to do with you. You're just kind of

(41:01):
catching the glimpses of it as it kind of does
its thing. I would honestly feel more comfort in the
fact that there is a spirit ready to help your
mother transition, And honestly, I would take that as a

(41:22):
sign that maybe you should make sure that you say
you're goodbyes, you say what you need to be said,
and don't take it for granted. The fact of you
know that she's always going to be there. You know
that that sort of mentality. Trust me, I know because
I've had it twice. It's never good. So I I

(41:46):
that's just my my my take on it. I just
one last thing has nothing to do to do with
that last paragraph. Why would you look at it a
a shadow figure whatever. I don't think it's a shadow
person anything. Shad and say your move Are you playing chess? Like?

(42:07):
What what has that got to do with anything. Maybe
you should say, will you move? It's all that's doing
is standing there in the hallway.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
It's probably on the way to get his pistol to
shoot it.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
I think this person comes from Texas. It's the only
thing that I can think of. But okay, I that's
I'm done. That's all I gotta say.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yep, I got no comment.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
On anything.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
No, I'm a passing on the whole thing, because that
would just I would waste nine minutes of my time
talking about it, and I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
So thank you for giving that one to me. You're welcome.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
What to do about potential spirits? So I moved into
a new apartment about three weeks ago that was built
in the very early nineteen hundreds. Week one of living there,
First of all, I just got to say, just because
it was built in the nineteen hundreds doesn't.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Mean it was hunted exactly.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
People don't. They get confused by that. They think it
has to be like, if it's old, it's.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Haunted, it's not. There's there is. I will say this,
there is likelihood that traumatic events or fantastic bursts of
love and positive energy exploded out by people living in
that location. And could have left the stain in time,
and it could come back as.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
A you know, just a quick repeat like we talked
about all the time. So there is the potential for that.
But just because it's old, don't automatically assume it's haunted.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Okay. So I moved into a new apartment about three
weeks ago that was built in very early nineteen hundreds.
Week one of living there, I was woken up by
the feeling of someone touching or grabbing me. When I
tried to fall back asleep, I heard a man's voice
speaking right next to me. I talked to my mom
about this, and she told me to tell it to
leave me alone, that this was my space, and I understood.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
It wants to make contact with me, but I wasn't interested.
I did that and for about two weeks things were
fine again. Gratulations, Mom, you get.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
A trophy for that. However, last night, as I was
falling asleep, I felt a cat jump up into my
bed and cuddled up to my feet. I felt the
size of the cat, it's warmth, it's purring. It felt
comforting and nice until I realized I don't have a cat,
and was very quickly one hundred percent awake. I have
had cats before, one that was small and cuddly. This

(44:29):
cat felt small. I'm not sure if I should ask
this to leave me alone too. I am worried about
potentially inviting something in that I don't want there by
not doing anything about it. But I would also like
to think if this is a spirit, it's just a cat,
or even maybe one of my old cats. I'm not sure.
I've never had any experience like this. I've had nightmares

(44:51):
my whole life, sleep paralysis five plus years ago, I
had a lot of sleep paralysis episodes, but haven't had
much since then, so it does not feel anything sleep
paralysis now. But I have never felt anything kind of
exactly like this. It straight up felt like a person
touching me and felt like a cat jumped up in
my bed. What would you guys do in this situation?

(45:13):
I'm planning on saging my space today, but do you
think I should do anything else? Ask the cat or
whatever it is, to not do that again. To clarify,
the reason I'm.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Hesitant to ask it to stop is in case it's
my old cat.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Okay, So I don't think that saging is saging is
going to make you feel better.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
It's going to make you feel like you've taken your
space back, but it's not going to do anything about
what's happening in the space.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
So saging only removes low vibration and negative type energy.
I don't think that this person is a negative empty
I don't think they were trying to harm you.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
The guy.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
I think it probably was just somebody who was curious
who you were, to be honest with you. And then
as far as the cat goes, it very well could
be one of your cats that had passed, but usually animals,
they usually come and see you soon after they pass.

(46:18):
I don't think.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Like five years down the road the cat, your cat's
going to come busy you.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
I don't think that that's going to happen. I mean
it could. Anything can happen, that's paranormal, but I don't
think so. So anyway, I would say that I would
just take your space back, and I would include taking
your space back to include the cat. I know, a
couple of weeks back, three four weeks ago, whatever I was,

(46:46):
I answered that question totally opposite of how I'm answering
it now.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
But this is a different situation. That was a different situation,
different questions. So I think that you don't need to
be scared, but to make you feel better and to
make you feel safe in your own space, I would
I would get rid of everything that's there, including the cat,
just in case it's not a cat.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
So and if if saving is going to make you
feel better, fantastic, then saging. But I think your mom
hit it right on the head ninety nine point eight percent.
Take your space back, tell it to leave you alone,
you don't want to have anything to do with it,
and tell it to move on, and you're not going

(47:35):
to participate in anything.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
That it does.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
And I think you're going to be perfectly fine. And
I don't think it's your old cat.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
To me, it wouldn't matter either way. I mean, you're
you're gonna.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Well, it's comforting I think for some people, like if
they lost a pet they loved that, it's comforting to
think they'd be back.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
But well, I mean, and I can completely see that,
but it's it's been many years. Yeah, I mean, you
think you'd be over it by now. But I agree.
There are definitely spirits who know how to shape shift.

(48:22):
I guess you could say how to appear as different things.
You could definitely have a male one night try to
communicate with you be unsuccessful and be like, okay, let's
try an animal, you know, and and see if that
gets me the reaction that I want. I one hundred

(48:48):
percent agree with the mother, you know, if if, if
it scares you, set your boundaries. We talked about that
earlier in the show already and like Day said, great
job to the mom for suggestion it, because you typically
don't get that type of answer.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
No, mother, there, I won't go that far.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Maybe maybe the month candidate all right.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Well, but for sure she's a Mother of the month.
She ever won that, but she's in.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
But anyway, but yeah, it's uh, it's not good to
hold on to stuff like that because again, as Dave
Edlard said, you never know if that is actually your
cat or not. I mean, and it could very well
be uh, some type of malicious spirit wanting you to

(49:45):
invite it in by disguising itself as something that knows
now uh you would you would do so, I mean already, yeah, that's.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
What it's trying to do is get you to drop
your guard.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Exactly, and U don't, so I mean, and I agree
with this, this was something that had just happened with
your cat, then yeah, I would be like, okay, you know,
let's wait for a day or two and let it
do its thing and then it will move on and

(50:19):
everything will be good. So you need to be cautious
of that and let the cat go because again, you
never know what exactly it actually is, especially when you're
just feeling it, you're not seeing it.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Cat, I mean, cats are nine, yeah, you know, just
go get another, Go get a new cat. If you
like cats and you want to have a cat curl
up with your night in bed like a real cat,
just go get a cat.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
I mean. And and let's let's keep in mind here
that cats aren't going to listen to.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
You anyway, no, so you it's going to do. Cats
they just do their own thing, that's right. So it's
time to eat, and then they come in to me
all right in your face and paw at your eye.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Sockets exactly, so, so you might as well sage stage
the hell out of your place, because if it wants
to wants if you want to want to steal their
cat wants you to still feel its presence, it's gonna
come back, exactly.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
So you get a new cat, just replace it.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Cats are completely disposable, well you know, especially when you
throw it down a disposals.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Not what I said that was absolutely horrible. I hope
they gets cut out of the show.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Well I'm the one that charge, so yeah, I probably.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Is not going to be apologize be half for that comment.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
I don't want anybody to throw their cat down at disposal.
It was a joke. Settle down. But yeah, whether whether
this male spirit or whatever is trying to manipulate you,
whether you know it's just trying to communicate with you
what it is doing, you know, by touching you and
all this other stuff is not okay. So regardless of

(52:16):
his intentions, uh, he's he needs to be made aware
of by any means necessary that that is not okay.
And you and you want to be left alone, agreed.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
H alrighty to moved on to Sidona.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Well, remember we remember we started late. We actually have
eight minutes left. Oh all right, because remember we started
late because I okay, so we still have want time
for one more okay, Number five. I heard my husband
and myself talking outside. Something weird happened yesterday. We are

(52:59):
at our summer cottage. In the forest. Closest neighbor is
one mile away from us, and I have seen people
walking on the road only one time in these three
years we've been here, so we are pretty much alone.
I was sitting outside when I heard my husband's voice
asking a question. I could hear only mumbling and words
here and there. He was further away from me. Then

(53:20):
I heard a female voice which sounded like my own,
answering him, asking what, and my husband repeating his question again,
something about a list we were making that day. The
voices stopped there. I went looking for my husband because
for a moment I thought a stranger had wandered to
our cottage and was talking with him. I found him inside.

(53:41):
He said he didn't talk to anyone or see anyone.
He was just chilling on the sofa. So the logical
side of me tells me that it's just some joggers
that we have never seen here, or it was some
kind of echo from our previous conversations we were talking
earlier about a list we were making that day. Is
it possible there there could be some kind of semi

(54:02):
scientific explanation, like a distortion in the space time continuum
or something, or something very confusing, nonetheless, and I'm sure
it was our voices. Let me just start by giving
you full on kudos for knowing and doing like a
very big star trek like shout out to distortion in

(54:23):
the time continuum. You just left out space. I added
that in.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
There for you you did.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
The proper phrasing is distortion in the space time continuing,
And I honestly think that probably is what is going on.
I think, especially if you've had that type of conversation
which I think you were saying you had earlier that day,
that it somehow got picked up in the energy of

(54:53):
the you know, picked up in the ether and the
energy of the house or whatever, and it replayed it
to the point where you could have hear. It happens
all the time. Nothing you need to be worried about.
It is a little freaky when obviously you hear your
own voice in your husband's voice talking to each other
and you ain't talking to each other. But nothing I

(55:17):
think that is going to happen again, or that you
need to be worried of in any way, shape or form.
Just one of those freak instances of the distortion in
space time continue. I'm never going to get tired of
saying that, and I just use it as an interesting
story to tell your friends when you go home, and

(55:38):
and that's it.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
I don't disagree with that at all. I'm just gonna
throw in there that there are woodland entities that are mischievous,
like gnomes and fairies, puck wedgies.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
It could have been just to repeat of some kind
of weird dimensional rift had opened that replayed your earlier conversation.
Or it could be one of the four entities just
having fun and just mimicking you and and just to
freak you out a little bit. I don't think it's

(56:18):
malicious at all, you know, I don't think they're malicious.
I think that they're just probably bored. I mean, you're
it sounds to me like you're pretty deep in the
woods here, you know, like you haven't seen anybody walking
down the road like one time in three years, and
your closest nibbors a mile away. So yeah, I'm going

(56:39):
to say that. This to me like you're up in
the mountains somewhere or whatever, deep in the woods, so
perfect location to have you know, spirits of the forest,
ye elementals. I mean, it's their space right, you you
cleared out some trees and cleared out some land, and

(57:00):
or whoever did built a cottage there, built the house,
you know, cabin there, and you know, they they've probably
accepted you because they're not doing anything destructive. So uh,
but that doesn't mean that they aren't going to be playful.
And I think that it's possible. I'm not saying that
that's the answer, but I'm saying it's possible that it
could be something like an elemental just having fun, you know,

(57:23):
just wanting to just bored and just wants to do
something different to get your attention, and obviously succeeded, so
the the I wouldn't be worried about it though.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah, no, absolutely so. And this is probably going to
be a show coming up because we haven't had like
a fringe paranormal show in many many years. It's been
a while now, and I have recently watched the entire
series of Fringe the TV the TV show. Well, I'll

(57:54):
talk about that after after the show, But you know,
could it just be the fact that for some reason
there was a thinning of the dimensional barrier between this
dimension and another one, and whatever was going on and
that other dimension you overheard it, you know, because you
and your husband had the list conversation earlier that day,

(58:19):
maybe in the next dimension over or whatever. You had
your conversation in the afternoon where you overheard yourself doing that.
So you know, all it takes is you know your bladder,
you know, suddenly you had to pee, so that the
conversation got delayed. I mean, just these little, small, little

(58:41):
subtle things can can can change from one dimension to another.
You know when and when and where you guys are
are when you have these conversations. So I just want
to throw that out there. I know that's a little
a little complex and convoluted, but it definitely it is
the multiverse we live in, all right. So that does

(59:09):
the fork the mail bag, mail bag, mail bag. See,
we don't need Anthony, and you just be like bag
and we're all we're all good. Just kidding, Anthony, keep
listening because you're the one that is anyways, all right,

(59:33):
Our number two main topic Sedona Arizona say that with
like it's some mysterious place or whatever, like I can't
wait there all of the like crap that is going
on there. So I want to read this this this
paragraph just set up everything because I learned stuff just

(59:57):
from this paragraph what was going on, and it just
brings back Skinwalker Ranch. It brings back, you know, all
sorts of other ranches that are now being investigated, like
by that show by you know, the Beyond the Skinwalker
Ranch crew. In fact, they were at Branshaw Ranch, which
is in Sedona. Yeah, yeah, not that I've seen yeah yet. Anyway,

(01:00:26):
although this second no, because they did finish the second
season already. They didn't go back this season, but they
did revisit obviously a bunch of other places. Anyway, So
there have been tales of underground military tunnels, helicopters disappearing
behind secret canyon, men in black camouflaged military personnel with

(01:00:50):
M sixteen rifles chasing away hikers, UFO sightings, paranormal activity,
strange lights appearing and disappearing with the blink of an eye,
pseudo portals to parallel universes, and other anomalies that have
been reported in and around Sedona. But like I mean,

(01:01:13):
obviously I knew about the UFOs, you know, the weird
you know, the vortices, like that was it. But I mean,
if you didn't know any better, I was describing Skinwalker
Ranch almost or any of the other places that that
they've been and so that is obviously going to set

(01:01:36):
up at least some sort of conspiracy theory conversation for
later in the show. But you know what is what
is Sedona? I mean, like why that area? And I'm
asking you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
Dave, I think it has something to do with the
Red Rocks. So I think that the mineral content, the
material composition of the rocks that are in Sedona have
you know, probably act like a receiver. Like we've talked
about other locations that have you know, unique properties to

(01:02:18):
the geographic location, whether it's a huge Courtz deposit underground
or you know, big iron ore or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Rum.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
Yeah, I mean, so I think I think that it
has something to do with the I think all of
I mean, to be honest with you, I think all
of Arizona's pretty spectacular. I mean out the state. You
don't get out of the like not Phoenix. I mean,
Phoenix is fine. I love there for years, but but

(01:02:52):
I think like the state of Arizona, when you're out
in the desert and you're out like driving around through Arizona,
when you get the Grand Canyon, got you know, you've
got the mountains up north, You've got Tucson down south,
just a huge, huge, the Superstition Mountains, which are literally

(01:03:17):
within a couple of like an hour drive of Phoenix,
not even an hour, I don't think. And then you've
got places like this that have really interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:03:30):
I really think it has something to do with the
composition of the material there, and and I don't know
if it's acting as a receiver or if it's acting
as a transmitter, but I think that energies are attracted
to that location because of the mineral composition and the
composition of the stuff that's there. That's what I think

(01:03:52):
is special about that location. And I have been to
the vortices. I have not been to all four of
them were the four major ones, but I have been
the two.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
But I will tell you what I could. I was
standing there on a boulder, like nineteen eighty eight, and
I could feel the earth vibrating through the soles of
my shoes and I had never felt anything like that before.
It was absolutely amazing. It's just absolutely incredible. It's like

(01:04:22):
this little itty bitty and you could and you could
just feel it humming in your in your energy around you,
and there was no pose for it. You know, there's
nothing there, But there is something obviously.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
I was trying to find because a lot of people
think that it's lay lines that could be the bay lines,
that that is the reason you know, for like the
vordicees and stuff like that existing, And I'm trying to
find Throughout the first hour of the show, I was
trying to find a map of the lay lines and

(01:05:02):
I can't find them. I can find the location of
all the vortices, but not the lay lines UH brought
in there, although I did find some. Ever, it looked
like it had a big convergence in southern Arizona, like
right like the Mexican border. There did look like there

(01:05:23):
was like this big convergence of lay lines. So I mean,
I I don't know why I can't find that, but
you know, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:05:36):
Quick because I hadn't looked yet. So it says yes.
Some say that Sedona, Arizona's red rocks contain lay lines,
which are in if people don't know what lay lines are,
they are intersections of a natural electromagnetics earth energy. These intersections,
or vortices are said to be places where multiple lay
lines meet Some say that Sedona's red rocks contain up
to fifteen vortices, including the plumed surfit the lay line,

(01:05:59):
which I had not I've not heard of that before,
but but I think it's possible. I think it is
a contributing factor that if the lay lines actually intersect there,
like strong lay lines intersect there, I think that that
could be one of the reasons. I certainly do not
think like that is the reason. There's something else going

(01:06:22):
on there. It's not just lay line intersections, because there's
lay line intersections all throughout the world, all throughout America.
So and there are special locations. I won't say I'm
not dismissing lay lines because I thoroughly believe the whitelines.
So you know, there are locations.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
That have really really high energy, really weird stuff happening,
and there's like huge intersections of lay lines at those locations.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Is it the reason why, the sole reason why? Probably not,
But is it a contributing factor. Probably? You know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
So let me ask you this, Yeah, do you think
that what is going on in the Sedona is natural
or has it been created that way?

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
Has it been I'm gonna use it's not the right
usage of the word, but you get the gist of
what I'm trying to say when they use it. But
has it been terraformed?

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
Right? I don't think so. I think that this is
a true beginning of Earth's time special place for some reason.
It just feels like that when you're there. Man, it
just feels ancient, you know it. Just if you could take.

Speaker 4 (01:07:43):
Away all of the jeep tours and the helicopter tours
and the metaphysical healing and the yoga and the meditation
and just strip it back to what it was fifty
years ago, it's just someplace special just feels ancient. You
just get this overwhelming sense that like people have been

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coming there since human beings first step on the planet,
Like it wouldn't surprise me if ancient humans were were
drawn to that location as well, like it's been.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
It just feels that way. It just feels like it's
been visited for millions of years.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
So do you think then that it's it's because of
this natural existence of the lay lies in the vortices
and the rocks and the minerals. Do you think that
is the reason why it's attracting all of this paranormal
activity Because for the first time ever. Like I read

(01:08:50):
an article that's including Bigfoot, like people are seeing freaking
bigfoot in Sonona, Arizona, which is really weird. It is
really weird because they're you know, a attracted to you know,
like the forests.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
There's a whole lot of forests, don't there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
And you would think that with all that fur, they'd
be a little hot and be tan bit hot. So
I mean, but it's this desert bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
Well, you know, it plays hand in hand with what
I've said since day one about my theory on Bigfoot
is that bigfoots an interdimensional being. So they they pop in,
they do whatever they're going to do, and they pop out.
That's why you never find them. So I never find bones.
That's why when they walk around a tree something seven
foot tall at weighs six hundred and seven hundred pounds,

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you know, ten feet tall, they walk around a you know,
a tree, this trump is big, and they walk around
it and then all of a sudden they're just gone.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
They're gone, or or they walk into the middle of
the field and their footsteps.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
And they and their footstet and and people that are
filming them all of a sudden they're like, well, where
to go? They lay down in the grass. What happened?
It's just they're just gone. They just they just open
the door back up to where they're from and they
just leave. And I think that that's exactly what happens.
And I, like I've said from the get go too,
I think that the people who honestly have Bigfoot sightings

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have them for a reason.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
I think the.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Bigfoot only shows itself to people that for some reason,
it feels that they need to see it. I think
the same thing about UFOs too. I think that that
alien activity and I think that alien presence shows itself
to people who need to see it for some reason.
I don't know the reasons. I'm not even going to venture, yes,

(01:10:39):
but I think that that happens. And I think that
having a mass sighting like the Phoenix Lights is a rare,
rare occurrence. I think that you have most UFO sidings
are personal experiences or small group it's not I mean,
the Phoenix Lights is a rare example. Like two hundred

(01:11:00):
thousand people saw that gigantic UFO traveling over the whole
state of Arizona, reporting Colin the cops and taking full
I mean Jesus, how can you deny that? No, the
thousands of people watched it fly over. It was not
flares from the Air Force. Sorry to burst the bubble there,

(01:11:24):
US Air Force. It was not training flares. It was
one of the answers.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
I know, just like just like, uh, you know Oswell
in New Mexico was a weather balloon.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Yeah, exactly, except you could take the material and you
could crumble it up into a ball and let go
of it and it would spring back into its original
form and it didn't weigh anything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
So I guess here's here's my next question. And I
don't know why these how they where these are coming from? Sure,
but uh, you know, and I never really obviously I
know the Phoenix lights are you know. I've just I've
seen videos, I've seen the photos, you know, I've watched

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documentaries on it, all that kind of stuff. But for
whatever reason, while we're talking about it, like this idea
pops in my head that maybe we weren't supposed to
see the Phoenix light and like there's some malfunction, you know, Oh,
our cloaking device you know, suddenly failed. Sir, you know,
what do we do? They can see us, right, because

(01:12:27):
I mean, it really just seems to be that way everywhere,
Like people see something for a short time and then
it's gone. Either it's zoom zooms out of the way,
you know, zoom's far away so you can't see anymore,
or it just disappears. We're seeing that Skinwalker ranch all
the time in their videos. I mean, and and now

(01:12:47):
we're getting it where they can't even see with the
naked eye, but in infrared cameras they can see some stuff.
And so I mean, and I go back to the
uh the movie Signs. They did a great job of
that where at the night you could see the things,
and then during the day is like they weren't even there,
but like everybody knew they were still there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
They were still there exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
And so I mean, I know this, this this goes
beyond Sedona, but I mean, obviously Sedona's got to be
has got to be some sort of hub because they're
seeing stuff every night. In fact, one of the articles
that I read, like the residents of the place would

(01:13:34):
tell you like where they land every night. And it's
it's interesting because I know that there's lots and lots
of video out there, but how full are our skies
that we don't know about. I mean, if this is

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the case, if they can cloak themselves, that they can
make it so only like heat would register. But you
can't see what the naked You know, we're going back to,
you know, the reflective plating on like the Hellic carriers
for Marvel, right, you know, you just you can't see him.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Their camouflage like the Predator, exactly right, like Predator camouflage.
I mean, the US government has been working on creating
Predator camouflage ever since that idea came up in nineteen
eighty whatever when the movie was made before then, and
supposedly they have working versions of it now. Well, of course,

(01:14:34):
a person can put on a suit and he's not
completely invisible, but the way that the suit operates, it
reflects all of the all everything that's surrounding you, and
so it just looks like you're just part of your
part of the area until you move.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
But you know exactly what that sounds like?

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Sure sounds like the being that was in the tree,
It's gonna walk a ranch.

Speaker 2 (01:14:58):
Oh no, that was where it was.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
Also it also sounds like the movie Predator.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
I was I was gonna say We've talked about it before.
It sounds like the glimmer Man.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
It does sound like the glimmer Man.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
So, I mean, and we've had our show on that.
It's one of their most downloaded shows. Right, go and
listen to it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
People, that's in there. There's someones in there. Don't be shy.
It's read. There's a reason there's three hundred episodes on
back a catalog for you, three eight eight. There's some
good ones in there, some really good ones.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Yeah, like and subscribe.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Exactly. I watched a video where a black, unmarked black
Hawk helicopter with no lights, like late already after sunset,
but you could still see it in the sky was
flying towards one of the rock formations and just that
was like you just flew through the veil that was gone,

(01:16:01):
like the helicopter noise was no longer there. And the
person shooting it on their camera was like, what was that? Like?

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Where to go?

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
You know, it just literally, I mean post stopped. It
was incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
I'm like, I I honestly hate to say it like
this because it just makes it seem like I'm going
way out again, out of left field. You know, I'm
not even in the stadium anymore. But I mean one
of the big one of the big things in Star
Trek was the whole duck blind, you know, where they

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had holograms that looked like what you wanted it to
look like, you know, part of a rock face or whatever,
and they could look out of you, but you couldn't
see them. So I mean, who's to say that there's
not a humongous hole carved into the side of that
mountain that people can't see. But obviously the military people

(01:17:00):
know that all they have to do is keep on flying.

Speaker 3 (01:17:02):
Right at the technology on the black Hawks that probably
has it probably sees exactly where it's flying into the
open space, you know, but then it leaves our vision
and goes behind some sort of cloaking device. You know.
It's like the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Klingons and Romulans have cloaking devices.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
So I mean, I'm gonna give a shout out to somebody. So, Kathy,
I don't know if you're listening to tonight's show, because
I know you're getting busy getting ready to go on
your retreat to Mount Shasta, have a fantastic time, Like
we talked, We were talking about it the other day
at work, so Kathy's a client to mine, So she
lives about fifteen miles from Sedona, and I'm gonna go

(01:17:46):
have lunch with her actually when we go out the
next spring. But she has witnessed, her and her roommates
have witnessed like gone out in their back yard or
gone out, you know, just at night and got in
the car and drove to dark, quiet location and just
looked at the night sky and have seen many many

(01:18:07):
things that they can not explain that they're like, you know,
those one of the first conversations in it, probably a
third conversation. The third time I talked to her that
somehow we got on the whole topic of UFOs and
we were talking about UFOs and I told her what
I did as a paranormal investigator and researcher, and she's like,
oh my god, David, you know, yeah, no, she knows.

(01:18:31):
I'm a podcaster. Yeah, she knows about podcast So that's
why I'm giving her a shout out because I'm sure
she's not listening tonight because she's getting ready to. I know,
she's getting excited to get on her little journey that
she's taken to Mount Chester for her spiritual retreat. But
here down the road. But I mean, like she has
shared with me a lot of stuff, like its first hand,

(01:18:52):
you know, firsthand observation that they've watched things in the
sky that they just could have absolutely no explanation for.
Over the value of Sidona. I think it's a great,
absolutely great location. Like I said, I think it's ancient,
and I think there's something really cool going on there.

(01:19:14):
And I hate the fact that it's being exploited the
way it's being exploited now. I absolutely hate that. But
I don't think that the people that are there, and
it don't get me wrong, I have nothing against somebody
going out making a living and opening up a business.
And if you were, if you were a metaphysical healer,

(01:19:39):
like thirty years ago or like doing it for thirty
years and then ten years ago you took a trip
to Sedona and like had this holy epiphany of like,
my God, I've been looking for a location like this
my whole life, and you settled down there and opened
up your business. God bless you. It's all the people
chasing dollars that I can't stand being there. But that said,

(01:20:03):
I don't think they could. I don't They're not going
to be able to hurt that location that lookay it's
too ancient. That location is going to stay strong and
beautiful and full of energy forever, until the end of time,
until our planet no longer exists. It's just it just is.
And when you get out there next spring, when we
go out there next year, you're going to see exactly

(01:20:24):
what I'm talking about. It is absolutely incredible location. Get
away from the people, get out into the outer like
where you should be at the Vorta seas and stuff
like that, and out on the hiking trails, and just
experience it and feel it, and you will feel it.
It's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
It would be interesting to experience something like that for
me personally, simply because you know I always I always
say as sensitive as a brickrect.

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
I'm excited for you to go because so be able
to vibrating. You're gonna be like, you're gonna give me
that look. It's gonna be that look like.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
It is good? Is it amazing? It's amazing. It'd be
like when it's on my first apparition, Like I'd just
be excited because I'm having I'm having this experience that
like I am actually able to feel what other people
are feeling. You know, I'm able to experience that with
them because you know me, everybody always gets the experiences

(01:21:28):
and they're just like, Nope, I don't know what you're
talking about. And so uh it. I think that before
we move into Bradshaw Ranch that we should probably just
kind of mention the four main var decease of of

(01:21:48):
Sedona and any any sort of information that you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
Have that I have you have, well, I'm gonna have
to backcheck through my notes here, but so there are
seven main votices that will cover the big ones, so Airport, Mesa,
Bell Rock, White and Canyon Cathedral Rock and then.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Chapel of the Holy Cross, and then there's others obviously
Courthouse but and some others. But the interesting thing and
I had a chance to go. Have you ever seen
the Chapel of the Holy Cross. So it's a church
built into the side of the mountain. It's absolutely incredible.

(01:22:34):
I had an opportunity to go to church service there,
and I'm like, I want to go church service there.
And I could kick myself in the ass for that
last twenty eight years for not going some decisions I
have made. I just don't understand what the hell I
was thinking at the time, and when I come back,
I'm smack myself upside the head. And then I'm gonna

(01:22:54):
go back in time when I'm gonna go when I
had the opportunity. But we're definitely going in the spring.
So the interesting thing that I find about the vortices
is that they consider them to be gender specific, So like,
some of the vortices are male and calming, some of

(01:23:15):
them are masculine and healing, some of them are feminine
and healing, and some of them are.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
I forget what the fourth one is now off the
top of my head, like a mixture of the two,
I guess, but I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
There's a term for it, but I don't remember exactly
what it is. But it's interesting that people over the
course of time have felt that the energy there is
either masculine or feminine, Like I never felt that, but
I wonder if I will when we go in the springtime.

(01:23:49):
I wonder if I'll feel like a nurturing, soft, gentle
hug from a female type of energy versus a powerful leader.
Not that women aren't. Don't send your hate mail in uh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
You know, like if you do, send it to Jerry
Ayrer's care of the colleen.

Speaker 4 (01:24:11):
Exactly, you know, like a conquering type of strong energy.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
And I think that those are those are the ones
that they are referring to as the male energies. But
it's it's, uh, it's pretty cool. The other thing and
I gotta look up. I'll look up the stuff on there,
the other thing that they saw there. I want to
talk about this quick before we get into like the detailed,

(01:24:42):
boring stuff of the vortices. Uh. Is that one of
the trails, and I've said that on one of the trails, Uh,
they have seen what they refer to as porcupine men
and that and that these guys are invisible when they
want to be like Bigfoot right in a dimensional travel,

(01:25:04):
but they poke you with their quills. And there are
hundreds of reported cases of people just standing there or
walking down the trail and getting boom, like like a
porcupine ran against their arm and all of a sudden
they've got twenty little pokes in their arm, absolutely out
of nowhere. I would like to meet a porcupine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Then when I go there, you go, we rail against
people who like ask for things that they don't know,
and here you are like I want to have the experience.
I want to be still one hundred times in the
arm when I'm walking down the trail.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
No, I don't want to do No, No, I don't
want that. I just it'd be cool to see one.
But it'd be like, well, very good. That's what I
envision it like. It'll be a humanoid form that could
like quill out and then go back to you know,
and then go back to being a humanoid form. I
don't think it's gonna be like I don't think it's
gonna look like a you know, like a giant porcupines.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
It's going to be like rock Steady from the original
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Yeah. I don't know who that is. Wow, I don't
know as the guy you never saw Close Encounters of
the Third Kind still haven't.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
Yeah, but you're gonna school me on Teenage mutantinsta.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Yeah, Yeah, you're damn right. I am. So there's something
that I want to go back to that you were
just just talking about the male and female. Yeah, and
so there's a paragraph here, you know, kind of answered
the question what our Sedona Vord Texas and this is
the Vord Texas a concentrated swirling center center of subtle

(01:26:47):
energy where the Earth's power lines, which they referred to
as lay lines meet. In these places, energy is believed
to enter the Earth downward inward energy, or project out
of the Earth upward flowing energy. Upward flowing positive vortexes
help release negative patterns, and down and downward inward negative

(01:27:10):
ord texes promote introspection. Now I'm wondering if they've taken
those two like directions upward and downward and given them
the male and female like the comforting upward positive vortices

(01:27:31):
are the females, you know, the comfort, the healing, the
hug as you called it. And then obviously the downward
negative would be the masculine, the you know, kind of
the overbearing type type of thing. And I wonder if
that's why they do it. And also that would lead

(01:27:51):
me to believe that each one of these individual vortexes
vibrating at a different frequency.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
They do ye they're not not like it's not like
it doesn't feel this when you go to the different locations,
it does not feel the same, Like they each have
something different to give you. And I think, honestly, if
you need it, like if you're if you're right, for

(01:28:19):
lack of a better term, if your chakras a whack okay,
and in one of your vibration levels are way off,
and you go to uh, let's say, the Chapel of
the Holy Cross, you probably if that's the energy you
need to fix yourself, like to fix your body and

(01:28:42):
and reattune your your your spiritual side and your energy,
you're probably gonna feel it a hell of a lot
more than the person standing next to you who doesn't
have the need for it. But then when they go
to let's say, if you were to go to a
different location with a like cathedral rock, then maybe that's

(01:29:04):
what they need and you and it'll be just a
flip flop of that. So they're getting a ton out
of the cathedral rock and you're there experiencing it and
it's beauty. But you're like, you know, I don't know,
it's nothing like uh, you know, Chapel of the Holy Cross,
but it's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
I so I'd never heard of it before until obviously
the show, and so I just looked up, you know,
images of the Chapel of the Holy Cross. It's amazing,
holy shit. Yeah, And you were like, I don't want
to go there. I was like, I just like, I

(01:29:43):
just want to take around.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
When I come back in time, I'm gonna pas myself upside.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
That and go that place is unreal. It's gorgeous and
wows up. If you guys haven't, like just look like
just photos of it do so holy crap. Yeah, but
uh yeah, I mean I'm not a big person, but

(01:30:11):
I would go. I want to go to there.

Speaker 3 (01:30:13):
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely, It's definitely on the list of
things that are not going to be bypassed when I'm
on their next spring. So if you were asking me
about vortexis so I found something interesting, right, So, if
you're feeling the need to open your heart and become
more passioned, compassionate forgiving and releasing old wounds than Cathedral Rock,

(01:30:36):
the Chapel of the Holy Cross or Chinepi Hill Road
are the vortices to visit. It is known for having
feminine energy. Each brings calm, joy, harmony, and balance between
your mind and your heart. Feminine energy is responsible for
inspiration and expansion. The energy at each of these vortices
is said to connect you to the Earth's full elect

(01:31:00):
energetic grid and allows a more fluid level of communication
between you and your higher self, your spirit guides, and
the creator of all there is.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
Oh, oh, you shouldn't have read that lessons. It's on
now because these vortices are going to get me in
touch to my higher self, and I absolutely I have
some words from a higher self.

Speaker 3 (01:31:29):
Well look at it this point. Your spirit guides are
going to be available to you. That's going to be
interesting because I'm going to put them on. They're sitting
down minus we're having a conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
They could take a seat.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
They are taking a seat. You might as well get comfortable, guides,
because you know when we get out there. Anyway, the
chapel of the Holy Cross was built on top of
one of the major votices, which is cool.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
That is cool. I mean, it's it's absolutely unbelievable. Yeah, yeah,
I cannot get over the feeling that this was specifically designed,
not the truth for Holy Cross, the vortices, that it

(01:32:19):
was in some way designed for what complete purpose I
don't know. But and whether it was you know, divinity,
whether it was extraterrestrial. You know, we both know that

(01:32:39):
aliens have been around in existence for centuries. You know,
you know, they show up in Asian times. So I mean,
but there's too much. I just I can't see a
natural occurrence that is almost like a reset area for us,

(01:33:05):
you know, as it like a human spirituality where we
can go and find what we need to reset ourselves,
regardless of what it takes. Like there just seems to
be something for everyone that there's a certain forward to see,
there's a certain place that vibrates as the frequency that

(01:33:25):
we need to heal or heal and get over something
that is going on in our lives.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
Well, right, and when we're talk in healing, we're not
just talking emotional. You know, there's emotional.

Speaker 6 (01:33:37):
Healing, there's mental healing, there's spiritual healing and spiritual spiritual healing, right,
So all of that I think, honestly, I think all
of that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
Can be found in the Sedona area. I don't know
if healing ken. I'm very very interested in going there
now that you know I've got this that back, but
I'm interested in going out there and finding out if
that like what it feels like that I am going
to like just standing there crying like a baby. If

(01:34:10):
I stand on one of those vortices and like I
can feel God reaching into my back and repairing stuff
like it's going to be amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:34:20):
I I think you would have to do more than
just stand there in order to do But I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
When I go so but I'm going to open myself
up to whatever is there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
I just can't see that, like I said, as being
a natural occurrence. You know why I was made and
for what, like whole purpose? I have no idea, But
that's too much coincidence in one area to be a
natural I mean, if it happened all over it. I

(01:34:55):
understand vortices and whatnot are all over the world, but
not like that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
No, right, not like those.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
And yeah, I guess, and I honestly didn't. I'm I
honestly didn't know that until we decided to do the show.
I wanted to go to sit down and to see UFOs.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
I'm going there to see UFOs too. You know, I'm
not going there looking for Bigfoot, as I just don't.
I don't know what they're saying. I don't know if
it's Bigfoot or not. I don't who knows. But I
know that there are thousands and thousands of reports of
weird things in the sky that you cannot explain, and
for people who live in the city you don't understand

(01:35:42):
what stars look like. And then out into the Arizona
Desert because it's there's billions of them, billions.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
That is something that again I'm really looking forward to,
specifically because one of the best things that I've I
have ever seen during an investigation. We were out in
the well the tavern you've been You've been there with
the Dubukee team, and I went back there for another

(01:36:17):
investigation and it was a clear night and I literally
almost stopped the investigation just so I could continue to
stare at the sky. Yep, it was unbelievably gorgeous. Like
I just I was. I was speechless, and and it
was just breathtaking to see it, because you know as

(01:36:38):
well as I do, you just don't see it. And
even he you know, I'm outside the cities.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
And you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Still got Walmart and the outlet mall and you know,
the local grocery store all throwing up their their their
lights and stuff like that. So yeah, I I'm honestly
greatly looking forward to experiencing that and knowing that it's

(01:37:09):
Mystery Adventures Tour, which means Mariah is going to do
an amazing job setting up everything. You know, you're gonna
get to experience everything Sedona has to offer. I honestly
hope that there is some sort of ah, like, oh

(01:37:31):
churches have it service there we go, oh my brain, Uh,
some service in like the Chapel of of the Holy Cross,
you know, something to not just walk in and kind
of look out the window, but actually experience you know,
the fall effect of that location. Man. See, now you

(01:37:59):
got me so interested in it, I might just do
an airbnb got on there one weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:38:05):
I mean, well, if you know, doing the tour with
those guys, like I'm I'm definitely interested in doing the
tour with them, you know, just to see everybody and
hang out with Jodie and excuse me, and you'll see
at everything that they have lined up and the tours
and I'm sure they're going to take it all the
different locations and all the great places to see and whatnot,
and that's going to be all in the itinerary. But

(01:38:26):
I'm thinking because I'm probably just gonna fly into you know,
whatever the closest airport is. I don't know if it's
Phoenix or not.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
Probably it would be either Phoenix or flag Staff.

Speaker 3 (01:38:39):
Yeah, so I mean, I'm gonna I'm thinking I'm just
gonna fly in rent a car, and I'm I'm probably
gonna take a couple of weeks, maybe ten days, I
don't know, you know, I might. I'm just gonna hang
out there for a while and just experience it. Long
after the tour is over, I'm staying and then just
doing my own thing.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
Gotcha. I'm I'm seeing what airbnbs are available, not during
the show, why not, I'm interested. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:14):
No, it's very, very very interesting location. So so yeah, okay,
so you look for airbnbs. I'll read some more of
this stuff. So so, the strongest magnetic vortice in the
entire region of both the Chapel of the Holy Cross
and Cathedral Rock expand your creativity and your ability to

(01:39:35):
communicate with yourself and others from a place of compassion
and love. Chanebli Hill Road provides the feminine energy needed
to forgive and release old negative patterns and spiritual blockages
preventing you from moving forward in life. This is the
energy of the divine feminine one that helps you return
to harmony with your true self and with nature. On

(01:39:58):
the other hand, if you feel you we have lots
of dreams, little to forgive, but nothing gets completed than
a visit to Airport, Mesa and courthouse Butte. It's a
Dona may off use some help. Both are masculine based vortices.
Masculine energy strengthens your self confidence and motivates your energy
to get up and get going. It is the energy

(01:40:19):
of the doer, the energy of worthiness, and the energy
of self discipline that allows you to get things done
in your life. Vortex doesn't swirl. It's a straight shooter,
beaming energy from the belly of the earth into the
sky and is considered a true powerhouse for enhancing personal
and spiritual growth for those looking for it. Seeking a

(01:40:42):
balance between both masculine and feminine within Bell Rock and
Boydant Canyon encompasses the duality of both energetic fields. Unique
to Bell Rock's vortices are the quartz crystals said to
be embedded within the base of its structure. They amplify
the vortex as dual masculine and feminine energy. These to
greater levels, allowing you to reconnect to your inner child,

(01:41:04):
gain new perspective about past life experiences, and become more
self aware. To balance your mind, body, and soul. Similarly,
the Boytant Canyon Vortex is an open space where the
masculine Warrior Rock and the feminine Pachina spire reside. The
vortex empowers visitors with the courage to create relationships from

(01:41:25):
a place of intimacy, honesty, and openness. Visitors can sit
between the two healing and protective rocks to absorb their
grounding and uplifting energies to strengthen their mind, body and spirit.
So here's the other thing that you're going to see,
which is really really unique is the trees that are there,
the juniper trees. They're twisted, so they're actually spiralized, the

(01:41:51):
trunks and the limbs and stuff. And it's not from wind,
it's from the the energetic pool actually twists. These trees
actually rotate and twists like corkscrews, and their trunks look
like corkscrews. Cool as hell, hmm. I mean, that's a

(01:42:11):
photo moment. You won't see trees like that anywhere else.
I don't think I have never seen a tree that
looks like the trees in Sodona. Not every tree, but
the trees that are around the forts and for different fortexes.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
M interesting. Yeah. See now I'm all for Sedona. See
now I want to be one of the tourists.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
I'm not gonna We're definitely gonna be a tourist.

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
I I don't want to open up a shop yet,
give me some time. Maybe I will. That'll be my my.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
I could move to Sedona, like I could retire in Sedona. Well,
the main thing I'm blacking there is I love to
fish and I love water, and there ain't a whole
lot of eating there.

Speaker 2 (01:42:57):
So but well, that's that's all. You're a snowbird, you know.
You you go down there in the winter and then
you come back up here in the summer. Yeah you do.
You do all your fishing up here, and you do
all your healing and metaphysical work down there.

Speaker 3 (01:43:17):
Yeah, I continue doing that. The best time to go
is from March until May, when everything is in full bloom,
and then September until November when the weather is mild.
You don't want to be there in the summertime, No, no,
you don't Ooh the right, it says right here. Summer
temperatures deliver scorching heat. If the if the Sedona travel

(01:43:41):
guide is telling you not to come in the summertime.
You know that there's a reason they're telling you not
to come in the summertime because it's probably about one
hundred and seventeen to one hundred and twenty degrees every day. Yes,
so not looking, and that does not interest me in
any way, shape or form. I lived out there, it
took me a year. Used to be big.

Speaker 2 (01:44:04):
Yeah, I'll pass. So do you think, I mean, obviously,
at least I do so. Do you think that it
is these vortexes, it is these energies that is the
reason why it's bringing all of this UFO activity?

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
Do you think that they're able to manipulate the energy
and the vortexes in order to create like interdimensional like
portals and stuff like that for them to fly through.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:44:39):
That's a good question. I don't know that I have
like even a good answer for that. But I do
think that the reason there's so many sightings there is
because they are getting something from there, just like we
get something from there. I think it's that special a location.

Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
I think that they're getting something, whether it's energy for
their ships, whether it's healing properties if they're unhealthy or sick,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
But I think that they're there for a reason or
maybe because we're flocking there. It's a great observation point
for them, like we've talked about right, Like you know,
they're they just like to watch us, and so maybe
that's what it is. You know, maybe they like, maybe
they're there just to watch us, and every once in
a while there they forget to turn on their cloaking device.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
It's there. It's their drive in movie theater. Yeah right,
hey guys, it's time for another episode of Stona.

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
I mean, you got like what like eleven twelve thousand
probably now like a year round people that live there.
I didn't look up the like visitor numbers, but it's
got to be in the hundreds of thousands.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
I've put it a million.

Speaker 3 (01:45:52):
Yeah, yeah, I would think it's at least hundreds of
thousands a year go there. They go to Sedona to heel,
or to meditate, or to take hot yoga or whatever.
I think people go there to heal. But I think too,
like Kathy's going to Mount Shasta and she's going there
with a spiritual guide. I think that Mount Shasta is
another one of those incredible places that has the ability

(01:46:16):
to heal. And it has those war diseas there too,
and it has lenticular clouds.

Speaker 2 (01:46:25):
You you need you need to let that go.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
That is never getting let go. Those are UFOs clouds.
In my ass.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Lenticular clouds are not UFOs.

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
They certainly are.

Speaker 2 (01:46:35):
Not even UAPs.

Speaker 3 (01:46:37):
The exactly what they look to be their alien craft
right out in the open.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
Anyway, I digress Bradshaw Ran Bradshaw, which apparently isn't Bradshaw
Ranch anymore. It's been sold, actually it was taken. Well,
I did read that that there is a rumor that
it was confiscated by the US government.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
Well, according to federal and government documents that were revealed
or had to be released due to the Freedom of
Information Act, that was taken by Eminent Domain. But mister
Bradshaw was compensated to the two of the three million dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
It's not bad for the government considering they didn't have
to give him anything. So the rumor is that it
was confiscated by the US government because it housed one
of the most powerful interdimensional portals on the planet.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
Yep, his wife took a picture of an opening. That's
one of the most famous photos in the world of paranormal.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
I've never seen it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
And the girl sitting on the tombstone in the cemetery
in Illinois.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
I've never seen that one that she took.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
That picture she took from her kitchen window. There was
a tear in the sky and there was a bright
orange universe and she took a photo of it and
there is a hole in our sky and another universe.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Photoshop.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
It was photoshop. It was taking it like nineteen seventy.
There weren't even computers.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Well, maybe she had my polaroids photoshop. She had a
beta test of photoshots. It was easy. It was probably
an orange peel that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
That's what it was. She hung it outside the window.

Speaker 2 (01:48:37):
That's right, Well everything is blurry. Even now we have
you know, eight K or whatever out there, and everything
is still blurry.

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
Well, you know why, because it's the energy surrounding the event. Right.
If you've got a dimensional rift going on and you're
lucky enough to and alert enough to grab a camera
or grab your phone and try to record it or
take the photograph of it, you're never going to get
a gin clear picture of that because there's so much

(01:49:09):
energy distortion happening that what's there is there. It's the
same thing with the Polard I have. You can't you
can see what's in the background, but there's all kinds
of weird distortion going on.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
There's not a big distortion.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
Mm hmm. Well you have to look at the picture.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
Well, everything looked Everything looked clear to me. It's just
including the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
Well, the guy is definitely clear.

Speaker 4 (01:49:33):
I mean you can really see him.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
So see what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Too, Yes, yes, indeed so I I why do you
think it's Bradshaw Ranch, Like, what what is special about
Bradshaw Ranch. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:49:56):
I think Bradshaw Ranch is like Skinwalker Ranch. I don't
know there's an interdimensional portal there. I don't know if
it's a wormhole, a traversible wormhole, like what they think
is over the triangle that they're pretty convincingly pointing in
that direction with scientific evidence that it looks like there's

(01:50:18):
a traversable wormhole right over the top of the triangle
on Skinwalker. I don't know if Bradshaw Ranch is the
same or not. But if there wasn't something really unique
going on there, why in the hell with the government
pull eminent domain on one hundred and seventy two acre
ranch in the middle of absolutely nowhere, right, I mean,

(01:50:41):
right now, I know that there's like a twenty acre
parcel or twenty two acres part of the ranch where
the University of Northern Arizona has. It's called not SEGA,
it's the acronym. It's se something four letters anyway, so

(01:51:02):
they're selling well, I don't know. They've got a twenty year,
twenty year contract with the federal government to monitor climactic
changes there, but that's just a cover studying weather pattens
out in the result.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
I don't know that they might be but under for
different reasons. I mean, what is going on? Because I
mean it really just seems like they're putting together a
network of openings and portals where they can come and
go on any part of the planet they want, right,

(01:51:45):
But there's got to be some sort of fallout from
like anything that they You see it all the time
in you know, dramas and movies and documentaries about their
manufacturing this. But then the byproduct of that is like
this hazardous material, you know, that that sort of thing

(01:52:06):
if they had to dump, right, And I'm wondering if
they're allowing these people to monitor the Earth and monitor
the weather and everything, so kind of as a uh
a preventive type thing of you know, whatever they're doing,

(01:52:27):
you know, what is the effect on the Earth, And
you know that's something that they're not going to do themselves,
so they're gonna, you know, higher out, They're going to
outsource it to somebody else. So I mean I could
completely see that on you know, if this, if there
is an interdimensional portal there, what does its opening and

(01:52:51):
closing due to us, you know, due to the due
to the planet, due to that weather, due to that area.
Is it getting hotter just right there? Is it getting colder?
Is it more you know, unstable? And you know they're
going to use that in order to I guess get
better at it. You know, one of those practice makes

(01:53:12):
perfect could be right.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
I mean, we all we know, we don't know. We
think we know that the good alien races are trying
to protect us from our own stupidity, which we have
a yeah exactly which we have a absolute tonel that is.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Our that is our biggest export.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
Right, stupidity. It's sumidity, I would agree. You know, they
are like a guardian of the planet and us and
making sure that we don't do stupid shit like launched
tactical nuclear warheads against each other, you know, just crazy

(01:53:59):
stuff like that, and create nuclear holocaust and the nuclear winter,
and the life as we know it ceases to exist
and everybody moves underground, become Neanderthals again, you know, and
ninety five percent.

Speaker 4 (01:54:12):
Of the population you know, is gone. Then you have
to repopulate once you know, nuclear winter is over. So
I think that they're they're watching us, and I think
that you could be right, you know, maybe they are
setting up monitor points. I mean, what better place if
you're going to have open activity. I mean, honestly, what

(01:54:34):
better place than like Skinwalker.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
Ranch or you know, well, it's a place where you're
it's an area nobody there. You're not going to cross anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:54:45):
Right, you know, occasionally you're going to have somebody who's
a thrill seeker like me or you who's like, hey,
I happen to be at Sedona. I'm going over to
the range that you can. You can go over to
the ch you can walk right up to the fence,
right up to the gate. It's not illegal. It's not
like Area fifty one. You can walk right up there.
You can't cross over the gate and trust passed down

(01:55:07):
on the ranch. But you can walk right up to
the ranch and check it out, which is definitely gonna happen.
And I'm on the spring, but you know it's other
than that. I mean, there's nobody's out there. So what
a great location if they're doing something like that, What
a great private just out of the way. Everything looks normal.

(01:55:30):
The house is there. I mean, to me, I wouldn't
be surprised one bit if you walked in and put
a special key in the lock of the front door,
and like the house like spun around and then like
just a gigantic elevator opened up and you just went
down this huge shaft you know, at some underground facility,
you know, And but there was some way of from Joe.

(01:55:53):
Average Joe standing in the field looking at the house
on the ranch never sees any of that, because there's
a holographic image of the house, even though the house
just even though the thing just opened up and opened
up a huge underground you know whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:56:10):
That's what they say is in Taos, New Mexico. Right,
That's why the vibration makes people sick. The whole city
vibrates because there's something underground that's going on. Is it drilling,
is it construction? You know, nobody knows, but something's going
on there. You know that's a weird location too.

Speaker 2 (01:56:29):
There's all kinds of weird locations.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
Right, but something's happening. We already know that there are
like underground bunkers in the mountains in Utah where like
in the case of a fallout, like the president and
all the other people deemed to be important would be
safe in some thirty mile deep city where they can

(01:56:53):
live the rest of their lives and still run the country.

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
It don't be much of the country left, no, but right,
but you still.

Speaker 3 (01:57:00):
Gotta have some type of leadership in place. I mean,
you can't just run amuck, you know that's what would
be happening. But you still would want to have some
type of form of leadership of rational thought, even though
it would not be like that at the beginning of
the end of days, I mean, it's going to be

(01:57:20):
a free for all. People are going to be panicked,
and when people are panicked in mass things are going
to get ugly, really really fast. You thought that the
run on toilet paper for COVID was an issue. Ain't
gonna be nothing like what's coming. It's gonna be feast
or famine. Yess exactly. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
Which is sad?

Speaker 3 (01:57:44):
It is because we're just gonna revert back to our
neanderthal selves, grab a stick and hit somebody with it.
We are We are saying choice. We always have been.
We like to think we're not. We like to think
that the world's evolved and we've evolved, and it's all
about love and live and hugging.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (01:58:05):
It's all about power. It's all about power and with
power corruption and the smoke screen is the Love and
White show.

Speaker 2 (01:58:12):
We are, uh coming up on the end of the show. Yeah,
I just want to say that for should the both
of us, and right now it appears to be the
both of us go to Sedona. We we will attempt
to do as much as we can to do a

(01:58:35):
live show.

Speaker 3 (01:58:36):
I would love to do that from from Sedona. That'd
be great, it would be great.

Speaker 2 (01:58:42):
I can I can fit a lot in my my
golf case, so I won't be taking my golf clubs
with but I could be taken my laptop and microphone and.

Speaker 3 (01:58:52):
Yep uh and and well my stuff. I get all
my stuff on my laptop bag, so be good.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
And I'm pretty sure. So I found a house. It
looks like it. It's kind of like right down the
line from the chapel.

Speaker 3 (01:59:14):
Oh nice about and it's gone the valley.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
Yeah, and it's like right in the mountains and everything
is everything is beautiful. So I mean, we'll just have
to talk to Mariah about us getting in our own
hair b and b instead of like a hotel.

Speaker 3 (01:59:37):
Yeah, I don't think that'd be an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
Probably not.

Speaker 3 (01:59:42):
Well, then we can obviously sit outside and watch the
sky all night.

Speaker 2 (01:59:48):
Yes, yes, anyways, Oh, I just found another one. A
little expensive.

Speaker 3 (01:59:59):
It's not cheap to know Sedona, No, but you should
throw that in there too, that its Sedona is not
a not what it used.

Speaker 2 (02:00:07):
To be there there. Honestly, there are some airbnbs here
that I've seen, you know, like the like condos or
apartments and stuff like that that are are reasonably priced,
like they're cheaper than hotels around here. But you know,
this is a cabin up in the mountains where you
can hike Cathedral and then cool off in Oak Creek,

(02:00:29):
and uh, that's what it's got. Yeah. The pictures of
the windows and the views are just unbelievable decks and
jacuzzis in three seventy three a night a night. Yeah, cheap,

(02:00:50):
that is cheap for what I'm seeing, that's cheap. Yeah,
but especially if it's you know that close to ah To,
like you know, high Cathedral and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah.
So anyway, we'll talk about that much later. But we'll

(02:01:12):
be back next week with another brand new episode. Absolutely
for those of you who we have piqued their interest
in Sedona, go and do go and look this stuff up. Huh,
you're gonna want to go. I'm gonna tell you, it's
your next your vacation. It's your next vacation, exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:01:31):
Yeah, there's a lot of really cool stuff to see
in the state of Arizona. Just don't you won't enjoy yourself.

Speaker 2 (02:01:39):
But all right, we'll be back next week with another
brand new episode. Until then, stay healthy, stay safe. I
want to see you back here. Everyone, have a great night.

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