Episode 311 - Paranormal Buffet_ Vol 2 with Sena Dyksman - The Odyssey Files Radio

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Speaker 1 (01:19):
Good evening, parent, normal community, and welcome to another amazing
episode of The Asie Files. I'm your host Michael O'Neill
with me tonight because Dave has chosen to go to
Metallica instead. It's my special co host, Miss Sina Dykesman.

(01:40):
Good evening, Sina, Good evening, Michael.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
How are you doing today?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
I'm I'm doing well. Good the year. I might have
praised Dave's part of that with a little bit of venom, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
I do hear that. But you wanted to go to
He'll have one ticket.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
I think he was offered to go with other people.
Oh so it wasn't like Dave. It wasn't like Dave
had two tickets. It was like I'm gonna take somebody
else the thing. It was like his some of his
friends were like, hey, we have an extra ticket, would
you like to go? And when he told me about
this on Thursday, I was like, from Metallica, I'm like,

(02:23):
last ditch effort approved. So I do not blame him
for that. I honestly wish that I could have gone,
But I have seen Metallica in concert before, which they
are amazing. Okay, so I don't particularly need to see
old man Metallica. Now, so I'm I'm all right not going.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
So you created so you can't go? Okay, got it?

Speaker 1 (02:49):
So I created so I couldn't go. Is that what
we're just talking about here? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
No, because you want to focus on the old and
I was one experience and you don't want to see
them when they're not that good.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
No, I just I just didn't want to spend the
money to buy a ticket. I could have. I could have.
I honestly had to have the money to have bought
a like a uh not a scalp ticket, but like
those booking tickets that you know they have all like
the front row and the best seats in the house

(03:26):
where you have to pay like triple the ticket fee. Yep.
That's typically the only way I go to concerts anymore,
is I buy like the really, because if I'm going
to go to a concert, I'm going to absolutely enjoy myself.
And the last time that Metallic was in town, I
actually did do that and bought general floor area because

(03:49):
they don't have a signed seating obviously, when you when
you have like metal bands in town, because everybody just
gets up in mosh pits anyways, right, and uh. So, yeah,
I stood about maybe twenty yards from the stage and
just very much enjoyed the concert while my friend Matt,

(04:10):
who was there with me, pretty much crawled and scraped
his way to the front gating front row and then
held on for dear life the whole rest of the concert.
All right. So and that was his words, not mine.
He pretty much said these like it, just held on
for dear life the whole rest of the show. So yeah,

(04:33):
it was a great, great show. And I'm sure the
next time that they run out of money they'll do
another tour. Yes, And I well, I will go to
that one. I don't even know they were in town
or I probably will have bought tickets. Okay, so there
we go. But I do have another I do have

(04:55):
a couple of things before we get into the mail
bag tonight that I want to to share with everybody.
So first thing, paranormal wise, want to welcome two more
investigators to my paranormal team on Nicole Daniels and Amy Borkman.

(05:17):
So they I already told the cole have not told
Amy that usually usually when they know they're on the team.
That's not what I didn't tell them. They're both well
aware that they're on the team, but typically after they
get a few, you know, four or five maybe investigations in,

(05:38):
I like to bring them onto the show to well,
it's to talk about the differences between their preconceived notions
of what an investigator is all about and what has
taken place now that they have done it.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Okay, the first time they've been on an investigation team.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Uh, Nicole, yes, Amy, No, okay, and and and Nicole
is a big fan of ghost adventures, so I actually
have to deprogram her before I can train her.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Amy on the other hand, has uh she pas about
at least a year with teams out in California. Oh okay,
so uh, she would probably still be on those teams
and out there had she not had to move to
Alabama and then up back up here to Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
And why did you move Minnesota?

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Say what?

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Why did she have to move to Minnesota?

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Why does anybody have to move to Minnesota? Bad luck?

Speaker 2 (06:46):
I don't know. I thought i'd ask if I don't
have a lot of reasons. Actually people punishment because I
like bipolar weather.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
I was gonna say that that that was the joke.
Sina wait to not get it. Oh sorry, that's all right.
I don't bring you on here for your sense of humor,
thank you very much. Yeah, I just bring you on
to laugh at my jokes, not making.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Make sure you give me my cue so I remember
to laugh, all right. That good?

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay, Wow, that was that was just terrible. Sorry, I appreciate.
I appreciate the effort even though it was awful. Okay. Anyways,
So the other thing, uh, and this has nothing to

(07:43):
do with the paranormal whatsoever. I just think it's an
amusing anecdote, but recently, this is the first time it's happened.
I will give Amazon their props. They're typically pretty good
at what they do. You know. I have literally ordered
I can't even remember what it was. I think it
was one of the heaters that I needed when my

(08:07):
heat was out, and I shit you not, within like
five hours, it was on my doorstep like it's amazing.
So anyway, I decided that I was going to buy
a new lunch bag to take with work, something that
was bigger, that would hold more water, more stuff, blah
blah blah blah. We can't. But it's in my living

(08:32):
room and I'm not going to go and get it.
So but but here here's the amusing part of it.
So it's supposed to be here Thursday night, and so
I'm all excited. Oh no, I'm sorry Friday night. That
was all excited because I worked Saturday, yes or I
worked yesterday, and I was going to be able to
use it for the first time. Come home, it's been delivered.

(08:54):
I walk over the thing and it's a pretty small
box and I'm like, that's really weird. Mh. I'm like,
but you know, with how they can press ship nowadays,
I mean, when you know, they can do anything. I like,
I'll see what we got here. I open it up.
It's literally the straps. That's it.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
They forgot the box.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
They forgot the bag.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Okay, waitit says the box say one of two or no.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
No, that was it. That was the whole thing. They
just sent a small little package with the strap and
I'm like, what, Like, I this isn't going to hold
a lot of water. And so actually I went on

(09:48):
the app and I'm like, you know, refund or return
or whatever it is, and they're like, you know, what's
the reason for it? And one of the options was
like missing parts. I'm like, yep, there's something missing.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Just then they're like, well, you know, state what's going on.
I'm like, all I got was the strap, no bag,
and uh so yeah, they gave me a QR code
and everything and ordered me a new one and it
got here today, So I'll give them that. And I
got the bag. No, but I do have the straps.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
I do have it was they sent you? So no straps?

Speaker 1 (10:29):
No, no, no, I have? This bag was complete, so it
came with its own straps. In fact, I think that
the straps they sent me don't even go to that
bag geez, because the straps that I got were in
the front pocket, whereas the straps they originally sent me
were like wrapped in a like a cello fade bag. Okay,

(10:53):
So I don't know what the hell was going on,
but it's like and there was a sticker with the
straps that had the description of what I had ordered. Okay,
So it's like they took this cell a fane bait
that they were supposed to stuck the bag in and
just put in the straps, or is like you know
what this should be all he needs and ship just

(11:17):
just the straps. So I wanted to share that little
amusing anecdote with everybody, even though the only thing paranormal
about it is whoever packed that thing is still alive?
What oh now, can you piss me off? Were you
the one that packed it? Can? I tell you? Oh shit?

(11:37):
If you where to God, If you say that this
is due to mercury mercury retrograde, I'm going to reach
through this computer and strangle you. For the love of Pete.
All right, well, thank you for coming on, Sena. That
does it for us here tonight, Thank you so much

(11:59):
for having me on. Seriously, one of these days, I'm
actually going to do that. I'm just going to cancel
the show.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I have to, you know, like X up here, I
can just like.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Kick that in whatever you can, and then I'll just
I'll go forward and I'll try my best to talk
to myself.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
And however, I want to answer the questions that you have.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, that's right. I can read all four stories and
then just call it quits for.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
The next But you do have mentoring by me what
is that? What? Some time after this?

Speaker 1 (12:37):
What? Okay, wait, say all that again.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
But but sometimes I mentor you so and some times
you still have to face me after this.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Well, of course I will, but not on the but
not on the air, and that's when I'll strangle you.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Oh so no witness has got it.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
You can't have witnesses. I'm smarter than that.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Anyways, No, I'm not going to strangle you. I need
you to mentor me.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Now it's on. It's verbally all online that you just
said that.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
So something happens to me, the show can disappear. That's
no problem. I'm in charge of that. That's right. Well
it is live, but I can delete the everything and
luckily nobody's listening anyway.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Oh boy, all your zero listeners Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
That's all right, that it's complete bunk. Anyways, Like I've
literally gotten likes and hearts when there's zero peacefule listening,
So explain how that works. So I don't trust that
whatsoever anyways, And everybody knows that everything comes in the
download after the show. That's where all the people listen.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Ye, then they can share share like it mm hmm.
You have to places. I mean you got on here
and then you have it on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
So right, so uh, just really quick, since you've brought it,
mentoring me at any stage in my development. Will I
be able to use the force?

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yes, well, so your force, it's actually minding and you
know that it's a mind, mind control or mind you know, manipulate.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Energy, mind over matter.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, you do that every day in life, right, But.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
I mean, will I be able to like force choke people?

Speaker 2 (14:34):
It's a mind if you can, if you if you
can find somebody who's have a weak enough mind that
would allow you to manipulate their mind.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
And yeah, I see. So it's not that I'm actually
controlling the energy around them, but I'm screwing up their
mind to the point where they feel like they're being choked. Interesting. Well,
go Darth Vader. M huh, I did not consider that.

(15:02):
Are all of those Star Wars fans out there? Ah,
we just ruined that for you. And we're three for three,
so we have the afterlife. Uh what else? Did we
destroy Earth? We destroy Earth and now we destroyed Star Wars.

(15:23):
So excellent seeing. Always a pleasure to have you on. Anyways,
we got some we got some amazing stories for you,
so let's start. Yeah, it's proud to present the mail bag. Alrighty,

(15:48):
So I did I did choose ones that? Uh? I
figured you might have some good insight into and I
only don't well like there. Never mind, there are some

(16:09):
that are that could be like investigative or something like that,
but I chose them because they're like up your alley,
is what I'm saying. So anyway, here we go. Number One.
I worked security and had a strange experience tonight. Hey all,

(16:32):
I work at a condo complex by the beach, probably
not around Minnesota. I've been here for about three years,
and my coworkers who have been here for ten plus
years always talk about seeing and hearing spooky stuff. To
give you some background, I'm a skeptical believer. In the
past three years, I never had anything happen that I

(16:54):
couldn't debunk until tonight. I was on the second floor
doing a patrol. I have a radio that I carry
with me when there are two of us working. Normally,
I'm here by myself, so I don't usually have it
on me. While waiting in the lobby of the second
floor for the elevator, the radio suddenly kicked on like
someone was trying to talk. I took it out of

(17:15):
my pocket and heard a faint, little girl's voice saying
can you see me? Twice, followed by I'm right behind you.
My initial thought was that my coworkers were playing a
joke on me, so I just put the radio back
in my pocket. When I got back to the guard check,
I told my co worker that it was a funny prank.
He looked at me, and he's not the type to lie,

(17:37):
and said he had no clue what I was talking about.
So apparently I had my first paranormal experience. I'd love
to hear your thoughts on this. I think you're right.
I have had that happen multiple times. The first time
that I had ever heard and it actually it was
a girl's voice, little girl's voice too. We had left.

(18:04):
We were doing a two day event at Edinburgh Manor
in Iowa, a very very popular, known haunted location, and
we had come in early for night one. We had
brought in all of our equipment. I think we had
set up the cameras just so that everything was ready
to go for when we came back and were we

(18:26):
left to go to our hotel and we were going
to come back in a couple hours, so I left
a recorder going just to see what we could pick up,
and during that time, when nobody was in the building,
no one. It sounded like the PA system had kicked on,

(18:49):
and there was a little girl's voice, like a small
I don't want to say a small child, but i'd
probably say maybe close to ten something like that. But
a little girl's voice came over a couple times, and
I right now I can't remember what she said. Yeah,

(19:12):
I mean, i'd have to listen to the clip, but
I mean you could tell what she was saying the
first actually the first time it was like hello, I
think was the first one. But and then she came
over again, like fifteen minutes later or something like that.
Like this was spread out and it was crazy because

(19:32):
apparently the PA system doesn't work at this place. And
so I mean, some people thought maybe we had left
our walkie talkies on, because we left all of our equipment,
including our walkies for that night at the place. But
I don't remember ever leaving them on. They typically don't,
So there's that. And then I have been on investigations

(19:56):
where it sounds like you don't hear the voice, but
she hear the click of the walkie, like somebody hit
the button. Yeah, And can it be possible that some
like another team bumped it absolutely, which is why we
typically throw that out. I've never heard a voice come
over the walkie. I don't think I have a vague
recollection of maybe once that that happened, and I think

(20:20):
I was like, did you guys say something? And they
were I don't even think they responded, to be honest
with you, But so, yeah, it does happen. I mean,
it's no. I don't want to say it's no different
than the spirit box because that uses radio frequencies too,
But I think it's it's a tiny bit different just

(20:40):
because you don't you're not actively like hitting the button
and trying to get communication going. But i'd love to
hear your thoughts on is that a normal thing, because
I mean, right now we have two different experiences mine
in this person's where we both heard a little girl.

(21:03):
M So is that some sort of spirit? Oh, I'm
not well, let me let me finish. Yes, it is,
obviously it's a spirit. But is it Is it a
spirit of a little girl or is it a spirit
of something not nice that it's trying to trick us?

(21:23):
That was my question. Both.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
It can't be both because you get unless it some
of them do, I'll change, They'll change their voice to
get you to talk to him. But in I'm just
trying to have to see what his as you're talking. No,
there's there's children all over the place. And what people
don't think. I think they keep thinking that the existing

(21:54):
place is what was really haunted. It's actually what existed
before that. I could see that, and that's what's happened.
So whatever was there before they hit that building, no
matter how long ago, that's what was haunted or that's
what things take, you know. So it was a home
of some sort of plantation, whatever that was prior to

(22:15):
the building is what where the children came from. And
so yes, it's but they can't come in darkness too.
But no, these two were actually were from a previous
home or resident that was living there. And it can
be also burial ground. Some of them don't ask me why,
but they do it. They will clear out a burial

(22:36):
field and they went on it. And that's a lot
of time has happened.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
They did that in still Water here here in the
Twin Cities. They tore down the still Water prison and
built high end condos. Oh my gosh, I so so
want to know, Like I just want to meet somebody
that either lives or works for that condo and just

(23:05):
just I'll bet the paranormal experiences are off the charts.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Oh yes, yes, because well where was I something my oh,
my sister lived in Colorado and somewhere in time, where
was that film? That the Grand Hotel or that that
hotel there?

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Oh, the Stanley Hotel, Stanley Hotel.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Okay, when I went there to visit one year, they
were actually clearing the pet cemetery and I'm walking by
there and all the equipment. They said they're kind of
having problems with and I kind of heard this from
something some hearsay by some of the equipment kept going
on and off. I said, well, what do you think
was going to happen? And so I'm walking by there.

(23:49):
It happened to be when at the end of the
day where nobody was there, and as I'm walking by,
my sister told me, and I'm like, are they freaking crazy?
They think humans are bad? Oh my gosh. And I'm
walking by either and literally I'm seeing animals on top
of the hill on the equipment, in the equipment, and
I'm like, oh, they are going to so regrets this.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Wait wait wait, wait, wait, wait are you telling me
that spirit animals are are petty and vindictive more so
than humans.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
They do not want to be tampered with whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
No, I love that.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Oh my gosh, they were Yeah, they were driving those
I mean literally. I heard that they have problems with
some of the equipment and and that's why I was
taking so long. I said, whoa, what did you think?
You have a graveyard? You know, and these are animals in.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
I guess I never would have put that, you know, Fido,
would you know, be such an a hole.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
It's a resting place. They don't want to be disturbed
their animals. Oh wow, people, they're nice and cute when
they're alive.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Well, I mean, I guess here's another question then, And
this could almost be, you know, put on hold for
the second hour, but I'm not going to since we're
on the topic. So are animal souls not the same
as ours?

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Can be? Because some adults humans. In fact, I actually
ran across this with one of my friend's dogs. But yeah,
they can come back as human, and that's how to
say this. Sometimes it can be a humbling experience for
them because the dog that she has I've talked to,

(25:39):
and you see, they saw of them do act very
human and yeah, they were human in a previous life.
And this one was literally a like womanizer and he
came back as a male dog. And I'm like, ooh,
you got your cairo back at you. You were definitely
put back in your place because it took advantage of women.
So it was like, oh, you can act like a dog,

(26:00):
wouldn't bring you back as a dog, And it was
so that is Yeah, they actually have a dog that
was a male and pass like because I was talking
to him and I'm just like, well, hello there, and
he's like him like, oh did you learn.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Probably not?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Oh oh he definitely could. And the other thing is
he still favors women. He could give you. Don't even
give him the time of day. He will definitely go
right to a woman and be all like, aha, how
you doing and give me attention, and oh yeah I would.
Oh yeah, he lefts that baby up. Really, I.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Have said it for years now that if anybody wants
to hire me to be their pet, I am more
than happy to do so because all I would have
to do then is lay around, get pet, be fed.
I can I can chase sticks as well as any dog.
I mean you want to take me for walks? Take
me for walks? I don't. I don't care. I do

(27:01):
everything a pet can do.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Are you saying you want to collar?

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Put a collar on me? I don't care. Put put
Michael in return to this pace. You know, if lost,
I couldn't care less. Okay, you know we can discuss prices,
if for whatever. But yeah, hire me as your pet.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Okay, Hey, you're putting it out there, so have fun
with that.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
That's have the life. I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Don't ask you, Oh boy, don't blame you what comes back?

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Oh lord one, I will blame it. But because I
can't blame myself, of course not. I'm putting that out.
I'm putting that out of the the universe too.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
It's never my fault, as they're laughing at you, right,
little human shocker.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Anyway, I have the sense of humor here. They don't.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
So they have quite a sense of humor because they done.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
They Only somebody with a sense of humor would would
would do something like this. I agree.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Nice you guys got here, mm hmmm, yep.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Pretty funny anyways. But okay, so, uh, you know I
was going to say that the whole thing about the
Buddha Buddhist religion is that any human can come back
as a fly or a dog or a rock or
anything like that. So I mean, you you seem like

(28:36):
that's not a very it's not a very typical type
thing where a human like it's more of a punishment.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
At this time, it was, I just because I was
talking with him and like, I'm fine, And I looked
at my girlfriend's like, can you tell me for sure?
Because this is what we're getting. And I looked at
him and I'm talking to him like, oh, solo human.
And but some know, some of them will come back
because they want to be a companion to the person

(29:06):
and they'd rather do it as animal form than versus
human human. Tell y'all, humans has to go through a
lot of crap and they'd rather come back as animals
to around than humans, you know. And so that's just no,
it's not always a punishment that would just happened to be.
But no, that's no. I'm just I'm just like the
companionship with that person want to be and you know,

(29:29):
they're very loyal and they want to be there for them.
So I'll come back as cats, dogs.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, Well, being a cat would be a punishment because
you like cats, just saying I'm I'm c're sent the ends.
I'm supposed to know this stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Yeah, it's because they have an attitude.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
You should see. I I get such a sense of
amusement when I approach homes when I'm delivering to them
and there's a cat like right in the doorway, Like
their eyes just get huge when they look at me,
and I'm just glaring at him, and I'm like, and

(30:19):
I just there's glass between me, and it's not going
to hear a thing. I'm just like, I'm on to you.
And then both and I'm like, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
When you see this big giant coming near, you're giving
the other eye.

Speaker 1 (30:33):
They're like, oh, exactly. You know they know I'm on
to them, not fooled by their their cuteness or anything
like that. But honestly that I guess that's interesting to me.
I was just assumed that all souls were were alike.

(30:55):
You know, it doesn't depend it doesn't matter whether they're
they're they come back as pets or when they come
back as humans. But you're saying that that unless that's
a choice, that there are differences between pet souls and
human souls.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
M yes, and no. The human soul itself has lessons.
Some of those lessons can go into animal form, being loyal,
being it can be responsible for it. I mean that's
your human. I mean those shows aren't aren't wrong? You
know when you see that cartoon human shows, that's my human. Yeah,

(31:35):
that's my human. And so it's more I have responsibilities
to take care of that human.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Interesting okay hmm. So like Tom and Jerry that could
have been that could have been like an ancient rivalry. Yes,
coyote and coyote and road runner. So okay, I can
get that. I'm down. I got the four one one okay,

(32:09):
all right, right, yeah, I I I don't have anything
to have anything to add to uh the guy who
heard the voice over the over the Uh.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, it's all okay. So I'm just gonna add that
real quick. So everything is energy. You did happen to
mention like, oh, you know the frequency of you know, intercoms.
It's like no, everything is frequency, energy, frequency, vibration. So
it doesn't matter if it's a calm or not. It's
just that it's just like your your meanings that you use,
and they can talk through those. Well, this is the
same thing to them. They can actually you can hear them.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Now, Okay, sounds good.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Okay, all right, story two repeated experiences since childhood. So
I was I suppose I'll start this by saying I'm
super skeptical of all of this. And while I wouldn't
say I don't believe, I wouldn't say I believe either.
My mom has been a wickand to my knowledge, since

(33:10):
I was a little kid, she had always been up
to the weird things. I never paid any attention. She
had some mental health issues, so it was easy to
write off when she was just being crazy. All of
this is to say is I'm no stranger to people
who do do deeply believe, and I am fairly open minded.

(33:30):
This kind of behavior was pretty commonplace at the home,
and I wrote it all off as nonsense. I do
still like to read about it, though, which brought me
to you, guys. I am noticing some patterns common threads,
among things, trying to communicate our radio frequencies and number repetition.
Since as long as I can remember, I see the

(33:52):
number sixty six at least once a day every day.
I am not religious at the least, but I don't.
But I used to joke about being say this for
shock value of my teens. The early two thousands were
a weird time. Lately, I have also been hearing what
I can only call static in my head. Not all

(34:15):
the time, but also roughly once a day. I'll hear
static directly in my brain, like a radio trying to
tune in station, but very poorly. It also passes as
soon as it happens, So I'm opening the doors. Any speculations,
should I do anything about it? Or am I just
full on crazy pants?

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Before you say, I just want to say she's seen
the number six six six. You only said six six.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Oh three sixes three sixes.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Sorry, that's all right, just but that brings in, that
brings in a whole new context to the thing that
you're seeing the Satanist word and you're not trying to
kill the Jedi.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Right, Yeah, it's the six sixty six is being is misconstrued.
It's those are angel numbers and they've it's gotten a
bad name. It's gotten bad rap for being sixty sixty six,
and it's it's not always bad again. We just talked

(35:22):
about static, you know this said the in the head
and stuff, and that can be more like he's starting
to open up. And so if he's getting static, we
hear now angels talking frequencies, and so it's high pitches
and he's probably starting to now starting to tune in
and it might be static to him right now, but
eventually it be a high pitch. He can also be resistant,

(35:45):
and if he's resistant sometimes they can cause that as well.
If he's because he said he's very skeptical, but now
he can be open minded, well that can cause a
problem because if the mind is a powerful thing. The
sequence though, I'm just going to tell you if he
he's continually seeing sequences of patterns. They're trying to give
him messages, and that is from the other side, but
it's also from angel, whether he likes it or not.

(36:07):
He's very connected to the angels. The mother was trying
to train him in knowing that he's going to be
very connected. He's very gifted, but doesn't want to believe,
so he keeps finding reason for things happening or showing up.
These are all messages for him. He just doesn't want
to be open minded. He's not going to tell you either.
He's got very very strong in abilities. He has Claire

(36:28):
sentience and he has Claire Coggny and he knows, but
he just doesn't want to believe in that, and he
doesn't realize their gifts either.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
I feel like you're personally attacking me right now.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
No, can I do something like that?

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yes? Absolutely, but anyway continue.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Well, okay, I'm fine. You're going to bring that up.
As in Michael Kids. When you are a skeptic, though
you do you can shut things down and not allow
them in. And it can be anybody. If you go
to a lot of people and to go through trauma as
a child, they will shut you know, a clairvoyant Claire audio,
your pictures, you're hearing your audio because of trum tumaut

(37:15):
like fighting that you've heard as a child. You didn't
want to hear it anymore, pictures seeing the hype the
fighting and or being abused. So they shut that down.
And so he's probably starting to open up to it again,
and it's static instead of being clear and coming through,
and but he's also trying to deny it, and so

(37:35):
it's like putting a plug in. It's starting to come through,
and then you put a plug in it Well, it's
going to see it sound muffled then instead of the
actual sound. So it's just I'm he's being talked to
and he's getting messages, whether he likes it or not,
and it's his ancestors.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
So you you said something that I've never heard before. Shocking,
I know. Uh. So you're saying, like, I'm not surprised
that the whole six sixty six thing has been skewed
and manipulated and twisted over the centuries, but you're saying

(38:13):
that that sixty sixty six is actually an angel message.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
All numbers are.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Even random numbers.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
H Yes, it's a sequence to pattern. I'm trying to
tell you something. The angels talk, they show messages in
numbers and frequencies. They don't they're telepaths and they don't verbalize,
so it's you'll hear it in frequencies and high pitches
when they're trying to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Right, No, I get that, but well then, because I mean.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
I haven't done go ahead. So if you're this is
the easiest way to look up like six sixty six.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
I was scratching my forehead, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Angel numbers can be looked up on the internet. And
here's one thing that they put on the internet about
sixty sixty six. Angel number six sixty six promotes you
to find balance and align your life with true values
and aspirations. So it's these are good things. These numbers
often repeat in lives, catching our attention and spark curiosity.

(39:24):
So it just I mean, it even says you're too
such numbers as it consists, which it can gain a
reputation for being associated with negativity and fear. However, the
true meeting of an age number sixty six is far
what popular culture portrays. Its article will explore the simpl
you know, it just tells you it's like it doesn't
it's in terms of love and career, debunking misconception and

(39:48):
shedding light on its true message. You know it, just
look it up. Don't believe what we're here all the time.
You know, whether it's shown in movies or not. Movies,
you know a lot are. It can be fact, but
so it can be also very misleading.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Hm. I was about to say, I haven't looked it
up yet, but what would the internet say about six
sixty six? So I mean, almost like your psychic and
picking out what I was about to say in answering
it before I could even ask. I like that good call.

(40:27):
But so you're like, look it up. Well, how can
you trust the internet?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I mean because a lot of more common answers you're
you know, whether you'd like it or not. If you're
going to ask a question, you're going to get an answer,
and it can be most people like on the internet.
But your spirit guys are always there and it's like, oh,
you're asking us a question, Okay, we're going to give
it to you.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
And and that's what I always tell you. Your clair sentius,
your strong disability, that's what you use. How does it
feel when you're reading that?

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Does that?

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Does that resonate with you or not? When you're you're clairvoyant,
you know pictures, it will show you pictures like yep,
that's factual. Angels are coming through, and yet they're definitely
verifying that.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
It's trust your abilities. When you're reading something or you're
seeing something doesn't feel right, it doesn't feel right, then
obviously it's not right. Trust what you get. Your abilities
are there for a reason to protect you but also
help you with information.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I agree. Typically I found over the last several years
that if I feel like something is off or missing
or I'm not getting the whole picture, then I know
I don't have all of the facts, and I have
learned to trust that, and you know, obviously searched for

(41:47):
the answers that I've been I'm looking for in order
to there's nothing out there. I don't think that once
I know all of the facts that the picture will
be perfect. Like I can, I can understand it and
I can get it. But uh, people are terrible, and

(42:10):
people are terrible.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Species.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
You say species species.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Different species, different species that are pulling.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
What reptilians are are horrible.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
To let me say in all species.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
All I'm saying is that no matter the species, they're
keeping ship from me.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
No, you're choosing not to listen, agree to disagree. Everything
happens in the time of that are supposed to so
you only get so much information as you're supposed to
the changes your future.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
That sounded rehearsed. Oh, I'm just just saying. Sounds sounds
like you said that before. Like it's like you memorize
the bumper sticker.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
No, I've probably repeated to you so many times.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Bits and pieces of that sounded familiar. Yes, anyway, he's
moving on. Wait did I say anything about it? No?
I didn't. I didn't say any answer. No, But I
mean I honestly did. I mean I don't. I don't
have I don't have much more to really add because

(43:25):
like I kind of just assumed that maybe somebody was
trying to communicate with him in somebody, which you know
you pretty much said is the case. So I mean, I, yeah,
I really don't have much to add to that one
because I was really interested in hearing your answer about

(43:47):
like the six sixty six every day and hearing this
frequency every day, and you just kind of took what
I thought was going on and like threw it in
the dumpster, h like a freshman nerd. And uh yeah,
so your whole the six to six isn't actually bad

(44:11):
kind of just turns it all on its head. So yeah,
I don't have it any more to add that one.
So uh, moving on to story number three. I think
something is wrong with me. I'm sorry if any of
this doesn't make sense. I'm not great at explaining my

(44:32):
paranormal experiences, so bear with me. My family and I
have had a fair amount of paranormal things happened to us,
from my mom seeing an apparition to my dad seeing
shadow figures in our hallway. So the paranormal is basically
our normal. But the strange happenings haven't hurt or harm
any of us in any way. Recently, though, something has

(44:55):
been happening to me. It's hard to explain this, but
my jewelry has been given me a burning sensation, but
without the burn marks. The best way I can explain it,
it's like the metal heats up and I start feeling
the heat from it, kind of like when you put
a cold pan over a hot stove. The weird thing

(45:16):
is that none of my other jewelry does it. It's
only a necklace and a ring. My necklace has the
Celtic Trinity, not same with the ring. The weird thing
about my necklace is that it's just the medallion itself
that burns me, not the chain. I understand that the

(45:36):
Celtic Trinity not can represent the Father and the Son
and the Holy Spirit, and I know it can represent
the Maiden, the Mother and the Crone and other things.
It just depends on what you believe it. But I
also know it can protect. I know what I'm about
to say sounds silly, but I think my jewelry is
trying to ward off something in me, or if I'm

(45:58):
the something that's trying to get rid of. If I
wear the jewelry to sleep, my entire body starts hurting,
but not really. It's like whenever you see someone get
hurt and you feel it. It's like that. It feels
like I got into a fight and now I'm aching
from it again. I'm sorry this doesn't make any sense.
I'm trying to explain it the best way I can.

(46:20):
I don't know what's going on. I've done research about
it and found nothing. I haven't told my parents because
I don't want to worry them, and I don't want
to take off my jewelry because it's part of my heritage.
So if you guys know what's going on or can
guide me to the proper resources, I'll take anything I
can get. So this is another one of those I'm

(46:46):
really interested in your answer because this is a new one.
Like I get both sides of her case, you know,
and I kind of went back and I know this
isn't the case. But like the Supernatural episode where they
put this like spell on this piece of jewelry and

(47:10):
it was supposed to heat up when God was near,
you know that that sort of thing. I don't obviously
think that that's happening in this case, and just use
that as an example. So, I mean, I don't know
much about the Celtic symbols or Celtic crosses, So that's
I think that's going to be more your, uh, your

(47:32):
area of expertise than mine. But I guess I'm wondering
if the experiences that they have had in their house
open up the door to something else that is trying
to enter her and is her the jewelry that she
is wearing is trying to keep it at bay. By

(47:55):
the look on your face, I'm completely wrong.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
No, you're completely right. Oh go meet yes, because because
when yes no as something, because your antswer it's it's energy,
your you know, everything's energy. But your ancestors have protected
you by whether it's a symbol, whether it's jewelry that
you wear. And with that, that is the barrier around her,

(48:20):
that's protecting her and her ancestors with her, And when
she takes that off, that will leave her vulnerable because
right now she doesn't know how to protect herself spiritually
and that's protecting her. And so what's going on is
what's ever coming in there is heating that off try
to get hurt. That's why nothing's hurting her until now.
As far as the jewelry, it's protecting her so she

(48:41):
doesn't have harm come to her. But if she takes
that off, guaranteed something's going to happen to her. They're
going to try to possess her.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
Yeah, I kind of I kind of got that, Like
that was the sense that I was getting from this,
and that you know, it was heating up because obviously
it's been it's been used, and she's obviously got to
be somewhat empathic if she's picking up on like the

(49:10):
pain and stuff like that. And I'm wondering if she's
picking that up from the spirit that is trying to
get at her.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Yes, because her body is being protected and if it's
if something's trying to invade on your energy, that's why
she feels achy or hurting because it's trying to get in,
but it's hitting a wall, but she's still going to
feel part of that.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
And so it'd be almost like if you were to
get a wall that you wanted to break down. You
would start to bang on it and you start to
try to damage it, and I get it, but she's not.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Saying if it's internally that she's feeling it or just
surface feeling. I mean, she says she's feeling achy, but
I'm just saying if she's feeling achy, something's trying to
attack her to get her energy.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
It's interesting that she went that the the symbol or
whatever the medallion is trying to heat up because it
might be getting rid of her. Like I can't really
see that happening, like all of a sudden, it's like,
you know what, I like, you take me off?

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Well the medallion, okay, but people don't realize this. Even
though it's on your neck or something. Somebody can put
a spell on that. You know, it's everything you can
magic is energy. Things can change as well, But it's
not it's heating up to protect her. There's something going
on there and she's being protected, but they're also trying
to get her to take it off.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Yeah. Well, I mean that sounds about right, because I mean,
if it's making you uncomfortable, that's the first thing you're
going to do. You're going to set it aside.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Right, and she's like no, and she's already knowing the
person is already knowing that. It's like, no, I'm leaving
this on my ancestor. This is for my ancestors, and
there's for protection and it's not you know. So she
has to stay strong with this, but she also has
to protect herself more so because and I've talked to
people that I mentor, I always say triple up because
we're being attacks so much spiritually right now, and this

(51:02):
is part of it. She's feeling it because she has
one part of protection. She needs to triple up.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Hold on, I'm writing something down here for second hour, okay,
So I mean I guess then my advice to this
writer obviously is I would contact a reputable and probably
pretty powerful psychic medium that would be able to tell

(51:30):
you exactly what is going on and hopefully break whatever
chords this this entity or whatever is trying to is
trying to do. I mean, this person obviously needs more
than just the medallion, you know, it needs somebody to
get rid of whatever this thing is, you know, whatever
this thing that's trying to attack her is no.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Just he's learned to protect herself. She's very powerful, but
she'sn't really what she is, and that's why I know,
there's why they're attacking her. She's probably very bright light.
It doesn't realize her potential, and a lot of them
will come in when they're at a weaker state, when
they haven't grown to their potential yet. And so she's
being attacked prior to that. So she doesn't grow into
her potential, they can attack her. They are going to
take her, you know, and not she won't be able

(52:14):
to grow to her full potential of her spirituality. She's
very powerful and she doesn't realize it yet. So she
starts using her abilities and starts projecting outward as far
as pushing out energy, creating love and light and pushing
it out. She literally protects herself.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
Well, then she needs to find somebody to tell her that. Yeah,
either way, seek out somebody a psychic medium, much like yourself,
but maybe somebody else that has less pessimism, a little easier,

(52:54):
a little easier to deal with.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Oh, a skeptic and non open minded person.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
I don't know what you're talking about anyway, but yeah, so,
I mean there's a lot of things that you can do.
There's basically what we're saying you have options here, but
what you don't have is a lot of time. So
I would I would seek that soon, sooner before later.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yes, because and then the other thing is people don't
realize you're getting more and more paranormal activity. Yes, we
are going to answer this name that you don't like.
Mercury retrograde creates more paranormal. It literally gives a supercharge
to a lot of the paranormal during that time, and
so you will feel it more during that time and
see it more because it's almost like the supercharger or

(53:45):
zapp on because they literally show themselves more during that time.
But it's also the veils are getting very very thin
where you're people are evolving stable to see. I mean,
there's a lot going on right now. People have no idea,
and you really need to start learning more of your virtuality.
You know, how to use it, on how to protect
yourself because it's coming. People are start seeing it, whether

(54:06):
they like it or not. No, gotcha what.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
Sorry, I just had a flash from the Replacements go
through my head when you're talking. Oh oh, I see, No,
it's it's relevant what my reaction would have been. That's
why I was kind of chuckling, okay, because I use
I used the line a lot. But anyway, all right,
let's move on to our last story.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
All right, story number four? Almost? Okay? Can I say this?

Speaker 1 (54:40):
What? Yes? You can? I've said it like four times
already this hour?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (54:44):
I did you.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Almost ship myself home alone experience? So I'm playing Xbox
in my living room for multiple hours, maybe three or four,
with all of the lights off at night. My girlfriend
is still at war. I don't think you're familiar.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Suddenly my cat starts making weird noises and looking up
towards the double French doors that are adjacent to my
Xbox set. I take my attention away from my game
to check what my cat's meowing at all. My moment
meowing is all about goosebunts shoot up my spine. And
the moment my tension was toward the French doors, I

(55:25):
could see that I what was okay, what looked like
a transparent woman with long black hair standing in front
of the doors, looking out the windows. My heart stopped racing,
well started sorry, my heart started racing, and I shrieked.
You know, when you're on the phone and you're PC

(55:46):
for extended period of time with a brightness maxed and
no blue light glasses. When you look away into the darkness,
the light from the screen still impressed in your mind's eye.
I essentially chalked it up to that in Gears of
War one multiple player online, there isn't a woman with
long hair in a white dress or anything like that.

(56:08):
A few weeks later, we had a pool party, and
nearing the end, I was in a conversation with my
girlfriend's mom, whose black cat had recently passed. She told
me that when her cat passed, she had a vision
of her cat transformed into a woman with long black hair.
We live in this We live in an end suite

(56:30):
of the parent's place. Was this the vision of the
woman I saw in front of the double doors? Am
I just seeing blue light? Not a lot of experience
with the paranormal ghosts in my life. Only one other time,
when I was younger, at my parents' home, I heard
doors slamming, and when I investigated, none of the windows
were open and nobody was home. Yes, we were actually

(56:51):
just talking about parents. You know, it's going to be
the opposite where the cat is turning it back into
the woman. Yes, definitely kind of funding the conversation had
her to come up prior. So yes, you you know,
the cat can turn back into a woman and vice versa,
come back as a cat, So it's coming back into

(57:11):
her true form when she was a human, and he
just saw the vision of her coming either past life
or coming life.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
So what you're saying is that this female soul was
imprisoned in a cat and then once she got parole
or was released, the cat died and she was able
to go back to being.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
It wasn't imprisoned, It just probably just lived. It lived
out his lesson.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
It was a cat, it was obviously a prison sentence
in your eyes, in everybody's eyes seen that.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Step fine well and all other cat lovers out there.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Yeah whatever, So, uh, prison sentence aside. So basically what
you're saying is that, uh, the black cat that did
die was housing a human spirit or a human soul,
and then once it died, obviously that soul was was
released to go back to being a human.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
But why what if it chooses yes, so.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
Why is it still there? Then? I mean, why did
it not go back to the Akashia records or why
did it not transcend to the other side.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
A lot of a lot of pets won't. For instance,
I had a cat whose brother had passed, and literally
within a week of its passing, he showed up at
my house and I'm like, rap, what are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (58:53):
You know?

Speaker 2 (58:54):
And I looked like, oh, you're here for for Nala
and because they're siblings, and he came to say goodbye
to her, and then then he chose to go visit
the other siblings because he actually also visited one of
his other sisters that my daughter's best friend as the
other one of the other siblings of it. And when
he passed then finally passed over, he literally combined part

(59:16):
of himself into two cats. Because now they act differently
and black like him. But they will come back and
visit or choose to stay, you know, they can hang
around just like we do.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Do you think that if you had a pet that
had a human soul in it, do you think that
it would stick around and haunt you because you named
it a really stupid name.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
No, they probably laugh about it because they probably just think, oh,
that was karma. I deserve that one.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
I don't know. I don't know if I could, I
don't know. If I would find that funny.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Well, they don't find names don't matter to them.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Okay, well that's another quesquestion, and I can ask for
a second hour.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Labels are just human things, they're human souls. No, they
label themselves when you label things, it's just a human thing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
I see, kind of like time is a human construct,
it's a human invention.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yeah, there's there's Labels are come from human humans. Got
to label everything.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Yeah, that's why we have label makers. So we have
to Yeah, we have to label literally everything anyway. All right,
So yeah, okay, because this was another one that I
wanted to know about, the whole cat into the into

(01:00:48):
the woman. But I mean this because originally, when before
when I was reading this, before I got to the
whole conversation with the girlfriend's mother, I was thinking it
was a residual thing, because whatever this spirit was wasn't
interacting with him whatsoever. He just happened to see it.

(01:01:10):
But the fact that the cat had died and turned
into it would lead me to believe that this woman
is well aware, yes that she is a spirit and whatnot,
and is just kind of hanging around.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
No, what was she doing. She's looking out a window
what does a cat do? They usually said, on the
window set and look at the window. That is exactly
what she was doing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
So she was being lazy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
No, she was just SI had cat ten and season
looking out a.

Speaker 1 (01:01:37):
Window, which is then being lazy, just saying, you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Just don't like cats, so it's all going to be
negative to you anyways.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
I just like making fun of cats. And you know this,
I have owned cats, not like personally, but my family
has has owned them when I was when I was
growing up, So there you go. And I still I
still remember. We called one cat Kitser. I did not
name it. It's a terrible name, which is why I'm probably

(01:02:14):
still haunted by it. But by the soul of that cat.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
You're haunted by the soul of that cat.

Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
I think so. And that's probably and that's what I'm saying.
When you call them stupid names like kits here, they're
probably gonna want to hang around to make sure you suffer.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
No, they gotta hang around because they know they can
taunt you because you don't like cats.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
It's whatever, Tomato, tomato, who cares about their motivation? But
I remember holding this cat and I'm like a baby,
and it was just looking at me with like like
serial killer eyes, and it was like taking its time

(01:02:56):
and just like only scraping them along my phone arm.
And that's literally like the only experience with that cat
that I remember vividly, just the way it was looking
up at me with anger and hatred and its eyes
as it slowly tried to scratch me to death and

(01:03:20):
claw its way into my forearm. But anyways, I digress.
But yeah, so again I really don't have much to
add to this one. I obviously don't think that there.

(01:03:40):
You don't need to shot yourself. I know that it's
probably uh it's a shocking moment, like it's not something
you expect to see. But this person, whether he sees
her again or or not, no need to be frightened.
This this female's is obviously not there to harm anybody

(01:04:04):
in any way, shape or form. I mean, she probably
sees the family, the girlfriend's family, as her family. Yes,
and uh so she's she's just there. Uh maybe she's
trapped and that's why she's looking out the window, dreaming
of better days.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
She's just hanging out like we do when we're human.
You know, the soul when it passes stay there for
a little bit looking before they pass on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
But why can't you just give it to me? Sina?
Just the point? No, I get it. I was just
making a joke and it's always funnier when it has
to be explained. So anyways, Uh, well that does it

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right on time for hour two.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
But that is obviously this week's male bag. And again,
if anybody out there that's listening, if you would like
to send in a paranormal question or a paranormal story
for Dave and I, or if Seene is here for
seeing and I to do uh Odyssey Fouls Radio at
gmail dot com, you can go ahead and send that in.
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
I have this page? I'm hot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Okay, you're fanning yourself. Turn on the air.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Because it's noisy. You don't like it? When when I
have any kind of noisey? What is that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
It's behind what you're really doing? A good job with
the fan whatever? Anyway, really, because like my central air
is always well it's not always on, but I mean
it's always gonna turn on and I never it's never heard.

(01:05:51):
I have a new place, I know, which is why
it should be quiet as ship it is it is.
I don't need to worry about it being on. I
don't have it on, I know, but I'm just saying
you don't need to worry about it being on. Okay, Anyway,
that's another story. So our two main topic tonight, it's

(01:06:16):
paranormal buffet, which means Seene and I are just going
to argue for the next hour. Actually, we are going
to talk about some certain topics and whatnot. And I
don't unless I'm just trying to be a douche canoe,
I don't really see us trying to argue in all
that much. Okay, So here's the first topic that I

(01:06:41):
would like your opinion on. And I actually asked this
question at our latest investigation, and I think it was
like the first time so shockingly that I know I've
asked this before, but I've never gotten an answer. And
so we were at historical location. It was the Andrew J.

(01:07:03):
Folstead House, and he was a congressman for like twelve years.
He was mayor of Grant and Falls here in Minnesota.
Like he's had a long political and very important career,
Like there's still legislature, like he was involved in Prohibition.
In fact, I think his name is tied to prohibition,
even though he was very anti prohibition. I had no

(01:07:26):
idea how that all came about. I did ask, never
got an answer, but we knew he was there with us.
His wife Nelly was there with us, and we believe
his daughter Laura was there with us. All passed away
at different times, different places, but for whatever reason, they

(01:07:50):
were there with us during our investigation, and so I
asked him, I'm like, why are you still here? Like
when spirits have the option, and spirits are the ones
that have the options. Ghosts, as you say, are the
ones that are stuck. But when they have the option

(01:08:13):
of crossing over and blah blah blah and doing all
this stuff and going to heaven and having that sense
of thing or going to be Costua records which I
mentioned earlier, what keeps them here? Like what makes them
come back to like their old homes and stuff like that,
that that instead of going over there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
It's their happy place. This is this is what brings
them joy and a lot of happy memories. So that's
where they would rather be.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
Okay, well, next topic.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Okay, so.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Well I shouldna say, but isn't that what heaven is for?

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Not everybody wants to be there. They want to hang
with their family and just their family.

Speaker 1 (01:09:01):
And just hang out. They have their family there. Yeah. Well,
all I'm saying is that we were given, we're fed
the line that heaven is the place to go, that
that is your reward for a life well lived, and
Hell is your consequence for a life not well lived. No,

(01:09:27):
Hell was earth right now, there you go. So why
is somebody choosing Hell over have it?

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Because they didn't make it hell here for themselves. This
was They made it a very happy, loving place, and
so they want to stay in that happy loving place.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Which is then disrupted by a bunch of strangers coming
into their house to interview them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
You've seen them to the movie Others with Nicole Kidman.
She didn't know she was dead.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
I have not actually I know, no, no, no, I
know what it is. I know what the movie is,
and I know what kind of like the twist is. David,
I've talked about all kinds of times. You know, you know,
you almost wonder if you know when when people have
claims of encounters with apparitions, the stuff in their home

(01:10:17):
and their apparition looks like just as surprise to see
them as they see the apparition that if you're not
you're not encountering.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Yeah, some of them don't know they're dead. Some of
them seriously do not know they're dead, or they're in denial.
The nine to eleven. I hate to bring this up,
but a lot of the souls there did not know
they were dead.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
I could see that absolutely. I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
It happens as well. That's why some of them stay
there because they really don't know they're dead. They're just
trying to figureut why you keep coming in their home
or keep reliving this over and over again. They don't
realize that they're they're dead.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Well, I mean, I mean, and that's been my that's
been my take in investigations at all. I mean, you
have clients, and I've had multiple over the years of
people who feel like they have a very menacing and
aggressive and evil spirit and stuff in their homes as
trying to force them out and all this stuff, and

(01:11:13):
I'm like, that may not even be the case. This
may be complete just misunderstanding. You could be dealing with
a former homeowner who doesn't know why you're in his home,
and what would you do if all of a sudden
you came home from work and there's a whole brand
new family in your house, you'd probably be pretty upset.

(01:11:36):
And so I mean that's why, no matter what the
claims are, I always try to go in with respect
to try because it may just be a misunderstanding. Yes,
you need the other side of the story. The only
problem is it's hard to get that other side psychics.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
That's why you have psychics in your group and mediums
because they tell you before the micro phone or anything.
You don't want us I could coming in there and
telling you everything because you want to have some evidence.
I have some psychics. Can we tell the talk about this?

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Do not talk?

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
People want evidence. Yes, if you're in paranormal teams, please
do not tell people what's going on because they want
to see things on the equipment. Not everybody will tap
into the abilities and need to see proof human side. Yes,
but please, that's going to tell you. If you are
in a paranormal team, please let their equipment do the

(01:12:32):
job until they ask you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
I assure you people, I did not put her up
to that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
No, I just don't like when people do that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Well, no reason.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
While you're on a team, start being a team member.

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
But I mean I had like an hour long conversation
with Amy today about you know, just fully going over
this is how I like to use mediums on the team,
and you really just for pe did everything that I
had just said and how I like to utilize mediums.
You know, I want your impressions, I want what you get.

(01:13:09):
I want all that information. But after the investigation.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Be respectful, be respectful to people on the team.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Yeah, mediums, I am. I know that wasn't against you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
I step back until you guys wait, and then I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Agree. And you've been on a full on investigation with
me and I. You know, the only thing that I
ever really asked you is like are they here? And
are they listening? That's the only thing I really want
to know. That's it. Yeah, and I and I and
I can take it from there. And that was the
whole sex debacle, which was hilarious. Feel a great story

(01:13:51):
I want to I like to tell. But honestly, again,
that's your fault because you were the one that told
me that they were bored and so I had to
spruce it up. But anyways, I digress again, So are

(01:14:14):
there any signs? Because I don't ever want to take
if somebody is there. If a spirit is at a location,
because that is their happy place, that is where they
just want to be. And I have cases where I
have had that. But the homeowner, it's like, I want

(01:14:35):
these spirits out of here. They freak me out. I
don't want them here, YadA YadA. I want my house
to myself, YadA YadA. Are there signs that an investigator
could look for or questions that they could ask that
would make the spirit and I use the term make

(01:14:58):
you know lightly, but could could cause the spirit. Let mean,
let me just say that instead of mate cause the
spirit to actually state their case or to answer that question.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Just ask it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
I have, but I never get I never get a response.
So you're smiling and I and I know that this
is going to be an anti me answer, which is fine,
but I mean I will I want to know why
they're there. That's why I am there, right. The whole
point of the investigation is to get their side of

(01:15:34):
the story. Yeah, I can't seem to get them to
give me their side of the story.

Speaker 2 (01:15:40):
Because you won't believe in your ability, so you won't
know them to come true them.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
Of course I will let them come through, well, not
with me specifically, but I want them to give their
answers on the recorder.

Speaker 2 (01:15:53):
Then you have to explain that you keep expecting something
to happen. Tell them, can you please tell us we'really
on a recorder because we want to hear it. You know,
you put these things out there, and I look at it.
I'm going, what the heck is that I've had this happen.
I've had this happen. I was in a brothel investigation

(01:16:15):
in Deadwood and it was a couple of the people
that you happen to know, and it was awesome. Char
and Kim and her partner. We were up and they
wanted to speak to It was in a brothel that
because people don't know this, but they've had brothels all
the way up until I think nineteen eighty five, I
believe in Deadwood, South Dakota. Well, we were up in

(01:16:36):
the brothels because obviously there's nothing going on there, but
there is a lot of spirits of all the older
you know people there that used to reside. And when
they set the recorder down the empty to have them
talk on it, I had to laugh because I'm watching

(01:16:57):
them and they put the recorder and they're like, okay,
you want them to talk on this, I says, then
you need to tell them, I says, these girls are
I'm gonna tell you they're up with this and these
things is about okay, it's about this big you know,
it's on the middle of the floor. And these girls,
you have to remember, they're from a different era. So
walking up to this thing and they're like, that's really
cool because they're seeing the lights blink, there's looking at it.

(01:17:21):
They have no idea that this is where they're supposed
to talk or say anything. It is cool to them
because they've never seen this before. Tell them, this is
where we hear you from. This is how you talk
into it. Can you please tell us or talk so
which you know it will come through here.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
I explain every piece of equipment that we are doing,
and I explain that they need to talk into the
even point at the recorder and I'm like, this is
where you need to talk. I do that, however, I
want to. I want to point this out, uh, to
to help your point. So UH. A couple of weeks ago,
we were investigating the volts at house and there was

(01:18:06):
there was a medium there who was trying it out.
She was doing everything that annoys me. No, it was
not her absolutely was not seen a scene and know
it was better. Plus it would definitely not be the
first time that you did it. But uh, she was

(01:18:32):
answering for the spirits. She was spitting out everything that
she was getting and honestly, I mean, even though that
wasn't why we were there, and it was annoying the
shit out of me, what she was saying was interesting,
and I got a new perspective that I had not
gotten before. And I was asking questions, you know, when

(01:18:55):
I could finally get, you know, to a couple when
she would stop talking. But one of the things that
she was saying and picking up on was Andrew's like
frustration with the fact of I have already answered this.
I answered this for you. Why are you not picking

(01:19:17):
this up? And I talked into your device and I
answered the question, but yet you're not getting it. And
I honestly, I sat there for probably a good minute
or so and explained, like the first time in thirteen years,
I explained the disconnect between their side and ours. And

(01:19:38):
I'm like, I know that you talked into this recorder,
and I thank you for that. I'm like, but I'm
not going to hear it until I go home. I'm like,
so the fact that you answered the question, I don't
know that. I don't know what your answer is. And
so I'm wondering how often that happens, because I have

(01:20:05):
been in several investigations where I have had a medium
say something along the lines of they answered your question,
but then like I get home and I listen on
the recorder or whatever, and there's nothing there. So I mean,
I don't I don't doubt the fact that they try

(01:20:26):
to answer it. But you know, how how do you
as an investigator? I mean, I know it's a little
different for you because you can just telepathically or psychically
tell them whatever you need to do. But I mean,
I guess how much of a common occurrence is that

(01:20:47):
disconnect between the investigator and the spirit when they do
use the recorders?

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Oh a lot, because well, there is so much to it.
They get so bored with all the questions board.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
Which is why I tried to throw out a sex
question here and there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
But yeah, I had to know. I went on an
investigation with one of my first paranormal teams. You know
that they asked me to be in and we're sitting
in this farmhouse and they had this thing and they
wanted the boy to talk into this thing. And he's
talking to me the whole time. He's sitting there standing me,
and he's looking at me, and he's like, I'm telling
them this. They are all listening. And I said, Okay,

(01:21:27):
what do you want me to tell him? Because it's
like he's trying to talk through this, but for some
reason it's not coming through like you said, and so
I would have to tell him and then and it
was kind of funny because during that they had the
recorder in the middle of the room in one of
the bedrooms. But somebody kept you know, as it got darker,
somebody kept going. But one of the investors kept going
by the window, and he kept going, telling him to

(01:21:48):
go away from the window, tell him to go away
from the window because he was scared about there was
a spirit outside of the window that he wanted to
keep him away from. And and so he's trying so
even though he's being ask a question, somebody was doing
something else that he was trying to communicate with the
other person. So not everybody was in on the conversation.

(01:22:10):
Of what was being asked, you know, of the majority
of the group, but somebody was doing something else and
he was paying more attention to what that other person
was doing because he wanted to try to keep them safe.
And so there's a lot of things that could be
going on that you have no idea, you know, if
and so there they will tell you, but then they're
going to run over to help somebody else because they're

(01:22:31):
not doing what you know is that you'll say you
don't stay away from them, don'tn't do that, you know,
or you know, because it's just a lot of things
going on and a lot of spirits. And all I
can tell you is, yes, that happens so often when
ohhause they just told me something else to you by
the way, and okay, you can't help me say they

(01:22:51):
sorry my spirit guys and high yourself. These spirits will
be saying something and there will be an inner years
to not allow that to come through. For some reason.
There's gonna be something that's going to interfere with that.
And that's why another reason you will not hear it
for some reason, somebody else doesn't want you to hear.
Some other spirit doesn't want you to hear them.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
Well, how do you nullify that? How do you counter it?

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
That's really again that's where the mediums come in because
you're like, Okay, there's two spirits here and one's going
to cause you problems and the other ones to talk
to you. There is a that a lot like one
every one that was just sitting in the closet watching
he was I'm not coming out of there, and the
boy was just sitting right beside me.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
I mean, it almost sounds like you're in you're in
between a rock and a hard place. You know, you're
the immovable object trying to you know, do the you know,
the unstoppable force, like you just have this catch twenty
two because you're trying to get them to answer you,
as in the Paranormal Investigator, they're trying to but it's

(01:24:00):
not coming through for whatever reason, whether it's in interference,
whether it's another spirit, whether they're just not talking loud
enough for the recorder, whether wrong frequency, whatever, and so
they have to go to the medium. But you can't
trust that the medium is saying it, especially the way
it's supposed to be, because of whatever a medium says, yes,

(01:24:20):
it helps, it helps an investigation, but you can't use
that as evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
No, okay, So here's the other ways they say to
do it. Obviously, there's several different rooms in a place,
and they said, take the one spirit that's willing to talk.
If the medium can at least tell you that, say,
I've got this one. He does want to talk and
wants to and you know, have them come into a
different room and make sure there's only one spirit in
there that will talk.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
Interesting, that's good advice, sina. I like that because I
do ask I did it to you. I do it
to Scott all the time. One of the only questions
that I will ask her in an investigation of my medium,
which I want the answer to, is are they here

(01:25:05):
and all they are they listening? And so if all
they all they would have to say is yes, there's
a spirit that wants to talk. Let's go into another
room to communicate with them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:20):
Yeah, and then let the medium verify that those you're
the only ones in there then and so that he
can talk or they can talk.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
I like that. Thank you, welcome the other since we
were just on kind of and this is for all
paranormal investigators out there, and I've thrown this question out
ever since I actually got it answered, and I haven't
gotten an answer yet since. But I was at a

(01:25:56):
historical location. We were doing the whole equipment. Can you
set this off? Can you do this? Can you you know,
can you let us know you're here? Blah blah blah.
But we had the spirit box going I think late
you know, you know me, I do the spear box
at the end of the night. So we were doing that,
and I for the first time there I asked the question,

(01:26:19):
is this equipment harder for you to use than we
think it is? And I shit, you now, we got
three different yeses right after I asked that question, And
ever since then, I've been a lot more patient. When
I mean not let to say that I was impatient beforehand,
but I also but I understand now, yes, you may

(01:26:43):
be trying to use this equipment, but maybe it's just
not as easy as just go over there and touch it,
like that might not be the easiest thing for them
to do. And so I often if I'm not getting
if I feel like there's a presence there but they're
not using the equipment, I do ask is this equipment

(01:27:04):
harder for you to use than we think, and I've
never gotten an answer since. But I've never asked that question. Wait,
I think I maybe I have during the spirit box session,
but I've never gotten an answer since. But as a
medium who has been out there many many times and
has seen the gadgets, you've seen my gadgets, is that

(01:27:28):
fair to say that it's just not as easy for
them to use it as we think?

Speaker 2 (01:27:33):
Yes, before one we've got meat suit. Some of them
don't know how to use their energy yet, and they
can still walk through walls, but then try to hit
a solid energy. You know, Remember everything vibration is vibrating,
and for that spirit to push a button or try
to use that to talk doesn't always work. I mean

(01:27:53):
that's and that's think they think that they're supposed to
be pushing that to make it work. Energy can just
come through, you know, just like when you said before,
you know, the first hour we're talking about hearing the
child on the intercom. She wants to be hurt. She's
going to be hurt. She knows that that's a microphone.

(01:28:14):
But also she's also seen other people use it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
So if we were the only ones to go into
a house with let's just say a rampot, and we
explain to them how to use it. It might still
not even be able to use it because they've never
actually seen anybody actually use it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Right, so use it showed them say that I do, right, No,
but it's just like and then say are you able
to push this to use it? And do you want to?

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
I do say that too. I say, you know, if
you're if you're able and willing, is typically how I
phrase when I'm asking them to do something with the
pair of param or the rampot or the key to
or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
Okay, Well, they don't know if they can trust you either.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
They're careful, Yes they can.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
No, they're careful too, they don't they don't know if
you're trying to Okay, they're not going to trust you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
Thank you, Because that's segue into another topic that I
wanted to talk about tonight. And that is so Dave
and I have talked many, many, many times about global
consciousness about but that's a human living thing, correct. And

(01:29:33):
I told this to you when I was I was
talking to you the other night, and I said, Dave,
when Dave and I were investigating together before I started
out to see you know, before he kind of said,
I retired and all this stuff. When we were investigating
a lot together, he would often say, to the spirits,
you know you can trust us. If you don't want

(01:29:58):
to believe us, go to this place. I'll just use
the LaDuke Mansion as an example. That's not what Dave said,
but I'm just using that as an example because I
have a very good rapport with the spirit there. Go
to this place, talk to the spirits. They'll tell you
we're good guys. And honestly, like more often than not,

(01:30:21):
after he would say that, it did kind of seem
like we would get more interaction, whether it was like
the feeling, whether it was Knox, whether it was the equipment,
you know, whatever. And I really have never said maybe

(01:30:42):
I have once or twice just to follow up on
our own investigations. But I pose the question to you,
is it possible to tell spirits in one location that
if maybe they don't try stuffs or whatever, maybe you know,
they don't understand why we're here, what we're doing. Go

(01:31:06):
to this place and talk to this spirit, talk to
this spirit or something like that. They will tell you, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
They're all connected. They're like because that's like, hey, you know, oh,
you've got access to my son or you're in the
same place as so and so, can you please give
them a message for me?

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
Yeah? Well yeah, okay, but that's that had to do
specifically with what happened at the bull. That's what you
may get into later, but I'm just talking about in general.
So I could literally be like, if you want to
check my references, go here, and they would, and if
they were interested in doing so, they could actually leave

(01:31:50):
quickly and come back quickly. I hope they don't.

Speaker 2 (01:31:54):
They don't leave. They're they're all connected. So all they
have to do is like a mind link or anything.
You just go tay so and so he's asking yep, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
Yep, they're they're good guys. You never had a problem
with them, Go ahead and communicate.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Yeah, but they don't have to leave. You're you're you're
dealing with the human thing now, and so they're not human.
They don't have a meat suit, so they Yeah, they're connected.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
Zoom away to wherever that location is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
And then zoom back, tap out.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
I see, Okay, well I'm actually going to try that.
Do you think if I added that to my introduction,
like that would be helpful.

Speaker 2 (01:32:36):
Yeah, because you want to let them because if they
have a trust issue and they want to talk to
people that are on the other side, you know, the
ones say hey, you know, talk to them and if
you don't trust me, then these are ones that I
have talked to before and other so and they can

(01:32:59):
give you verification that I'm not here to hurt you
want to talk Just why I hang with you? Guys?
How you doing okay?

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
All right? I mean because I would think that over
the years, there's there are several places that I think
I've built a pretty good rapport with with the spirits
that reside there. So yeah, okay, I'm learning shit, this
is great. I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
We're all connected.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
You tell me that every day, well not every day,
but every time I talk to you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
Doesn't that if you have a neat skin on or not?

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
So? Okay? Well, so paranormal investigators out there, there you go.
If you're if you have a reputation that you believe
of not being douchebags, h if you have a spirit
who may be but hesitant to talk to you, call
up your references, let them let them.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
What goes for the opposite too, though you be respectful
to them because you're the word is going to get
out about you and you're going to get in big trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:34:07):
I'm I'm only respectful, you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
Know, I know that, But I'm just saying also in general, right, yeah,
so other so investigators be respectful. Do not try to
irritate or cause problems just to get some information and
you know them to talk or whatever, because you're going
to get in big trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:34:29):
But basically, don't provoke just to get an experience.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Nope, you be respectful, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Agree. Okay, let's see here, got that, all right, So
moving on unless you have something else you want to
add to this. Nope, okay, Uh, you know what I'm
I'm going to come back to while we were just
gonna uh what I was going to switch it to,

(01:34:58):
because there's another thing in here that you said earlier.
That is a question that I've been asking for since
I got into this, and for whatever reason, I cannot,
I cannot get the spirits to give me a name.
I can't. I just nowhere whether in fact only recently

(01:35:25):
twice actually same name, same during a spirit Box session,
same name, same same voice, and both times it was
to the question of can you tell me your name,
you know, can you let me know who you are?
That that sort of thing. But otherwise, for years and years,
at least three or four times a night, I asked

(01:35:46):
for a name. I've even I've even started adding in
what would you like us to call you? Just in
case maybe maybe they don't like the name John or
something like that. Maybe they know what all of their
other names were and they have a favorite. I cannot
get an answer to that to save my life. And

(01:36:10):
you had said, and of course we were talking about,
you know, human spirits in dogs. But it is it
has been theorized by other other people, not me, that
names to start and important once you get over to
the other side, and that and that is why I

(01:36:33):
can't get a name, because it's like and that's why
I added in what would you like us to call you?
Instead of what was? What is your name? Because I mean,
if they have a dozen lifetimes which they now know about,
what name do they even pick? You know? Do I
have to phrase it as what name in your most

(01:36:54):
previous life were you called? Yes? Oh, okay?

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Because that's a human thing. A human's got to label
everything as a human.

Speaker 1 (01:37:03):
Label maker, baby, Yeah, called the birth.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Certificate, death certificate, Well.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
No birth certificate labels your name, the death certificate labels
your death whatever. Anyway, any so is how do you
phrase that? Or is there a reason beyond them not
caring what names are anymore on how to get one?

(01:37:32):
I mean you have to call them something.

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
Right, so you can ask them what you know, Like
you said, you can ask them what they would like
to be called. And it's like I said, it's not
important to them. It's like I'm i'm here, I'm a
little boy, I'm here, I'm a male, I'm female. And
this is what I used to do when I was
here or when I was alive. I was the wife,

(01:37:57):
I was the husband, I was the child. But a name,
you know, sometimes I'll tell you the name is, sometimes
they won't. And we've had it where again, the little
boy was talking to me sitting right beside me, have
no idea bought that dog on recorder, But I can
tell you what his name was and everything, because he
was communicating with me of what his previous life was

(01:38:17):
and his name was. But it's just just like we
know that you were here and had a previous life
in this previous life, can you please tell me what
your name is.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
It okay, because I I can definitely phrase it like that.
That's that's not that's not an issue at all. I remember,
and of course this is from the medium, but I
can completely see this actually being the case. Is when

(01:38:50):
we were at this past investigation, I had said that
it's the Andrew Volsett house, so we were always calling
him Andrew and his wife Nelly. Well, the medium was
saying she kept on getting mister Volstead, and I'm like, well,

(01:39:11):
that actually makes sense because I mean, he's a congressman,
he's a mayor, he's a political fan. Of course he's
going to want to be called mister Volstead in his home. Yes,
until we started playing poker, because that was one of
the things he was known for is he would host
a weekly poker game with like his buddies or whatever
so as to try to connect with them and stuff

(01:39:33):
like that. We played a game of poker and I
had accidentally called him Andrew when we were starting to play,
and Jamie, who was the medium, was like, mister Volstead,
and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, we're playing poker.
We're buddies.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
Now, he's Andrew, and I and the next thing she
said was yeah, he's okay with that, like exactly, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:40:05):
Completely got that. And I remember we were doing another
historical place that the person had their own chapel built
into their house, and I was doing just doing our
investigations whatever, and I asked that we had a medium

(01:40:26):
there with as well, just learning her trade. And I
asked her, you know, as they getting anything, you know,
what was their impression. And the thing that she said
to me is hats off because I had my hand
on and I'm like that absolutely yeah, and took my

(01:40:47):
hat off. And I've never warned in that that that
place in that chapel again, So I mean, I get that.
And again that's a disconnect between their side and art,
Like I don't know, and I'm always asking for messages.
Do you have anything you'd like to say? You know,
is whether it's to us, and we never get a response.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
So I mean, so why don't you ask them how
they want to communicate to you.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
I have done that too and have never gotten an
answer there either. I have said, what is the easiest
way for us to communicate with you? And I've never
gotten an answer to that either. So I mean it
this is all learning experiences, and I bring it up
because I'd like, since you have communicated with them for

(01:41:37):
many many years and spirits from all walks of life
and ages and blah blah blah. This is why I
go to you. This is why I ask you these
questions because I want to learn how to how I
can best do this to get the evidence, the scientific
evidence that I need to prove their existence.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
You could say, or just this answer. I know, I'm not, No,
It's just it's an expensive answer. That's why frequency. Everything
is in frequency, any frequency meter or something. Okay, you
know they have you know when you do music, you
know you got where you've got the Okay, that's how
you can talk to them is through that because it

(01:42:24):
can pick up no matter what frequency they talk and
it can pick it up.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
So I have started to do that a lot. Like
There's been a lot of places that I've been to
where I will play like Amazing Grace. Everybody loves that song,
especially you know, and it goes back I don't want
to say thousands of years, it goes back a long
long time. Yes, you know, we uh when we go

(01:42:51):
out to the cemetery, we really like to go to
there's a lot of veterans in the cemetery, and so
when we get done with when I get done with
my introduction, I play the start spageled banner, you know,
just kind of as a tribute to them. And sometimes

(01:43:13):
you get that really good response and other times they're like, eh,
you know, maybe you've done it too much. I don't know,
but I do agree with you. On music, we have
also attempted a different sort of experiment going on with frequency,

(01:43:36):
and that is we'll put walkie talkies all over the
house and then leave the building. And we did that
at the case that you were on, where we went
out to the car and we did an EVP session
without even being in the house. So, I mean, is
that the kind of thing that you're talking about when

(01:43:57):
it comes to different frequencies or am I just wasting
my time?

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
No, that's famously just picks up because it can be
you know, I mean, and a lot of Tiwaki talks
and so they have to those are actually on you
have to actually turn them on different frequencies to pick
it up. But yeah, it's it's having a machine that
can pick up different frequencies at the same time. So
when they're talking, you can pick it up. It's like
what like NASA and stuff use for aliens when they're

(01:44:23):
talking to them, they can hear it because it's on
different frequencies. It's the exact same thing in the paranormal
because they're talking on different frequencies.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Can you explain the sentence that you just said. When
NASA speaks to the aliens.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
They talk to other species and other people. You know.
If you don't know that, come on.

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
You heard it here first, they've talked to us.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
They've been talking to aliens for years.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
I know. So then let me ask you this, because
I'm sure that every spirit, every whether it's a spirit
or a ghost, probably vibrates at a different frequency. So
in order to properly communicate with them, won't you have
to find their frequency or they all go at the

(01:45:19):
same frequency.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
Okay, and this is something I've been told. I don't
have proof the human body itself with a human that's here.
I think it's at a C note. There's they when
and the human level. I believe their vibration is that
a C note. But it's a certain that all the
humans have that vibration tune. They're all tuned into all

(01:45:47):
the same frequency. That's how they can communicate, That's how
they can see each other because that's the vibration. So
I believe that's also an octave that they're using when
they're talking, is a specific frequency. But when they're on
the other side or house to over or both, I
don't know if they keep that frequency same frequency because
obviously we can't see them anymore because they don't have

(01:46:07):
the meat suit, and so now they're you know, we
can we can see them transparently, but we still can't
pick up them talking to us unless we are tuned
as far as our psychic ability.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
All right, kind of I'm thinking I understand, and I'm
kind of glad you phrased it like that because that
kind of leads me into my next question. Okay, one
of the things that I've been looking at buying, and
this comes from the secret of Skinwalker range and because

(01:46:48):
anytime that pretty much, anytime that they have any sort
of weird happenings, and this deals more with with with
extraterrestrial stuff than it does supernatural, they get a one
point six gear hurts and they get that because they
have what what you know, they they call a spectrum

(01:47:10):
analyzer and it and it obviously reads the entire frequency
and vibration spectrum around. So would it be a decent
purchase Because, like I said, I've been looking at this.
If a spirit wanted to talk to us and tried

(01:47:30):
and or they try to interact with things and they
were using their energy, would a spectrum analyzer pick up
the frequency of which they're vibrating at.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
Possibly? Yeah, Yes, that does pick up different frequencies.

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
So if we had the spectrum analyzer going and we
would ask a question and then all of a sudden
we'd get a spike at nine hundred hurts, what would
it be? I don't want to say safe to say,
but would it be a theorized type of way of
thinking that maybe that's the frequency in which the spirit

(01:48:10):
is talking at. Yes, So then we would need something
like a microphone that would have a dial that would
allow us to speak in that frequency. Is that even possible? No?

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
But you can tune a mixer to that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
Well, that's what I mean. Could you change?

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
Yeah, the microphone by using? By using, Because you're talking
about a microphone, it's not the microphone itself, it's a
mixer that you would have to connect to commute to Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:48:45):
Interesting, So you know how they.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
Separate, you know, when they show you that you can
separate music because it's you know, or even somebody's talking.
They separate the different voices because they're all at different frequencies.
And I'm sure you've seen this on movies stuff like that,
where they literally separated and you can see, oh yeah,
you got three people talking, so you can see the
different frequency.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
Well sure, I mean you see it on crime shows
a lot where they take out the voices and they
take out the wind then, you know, because they just
want to hear the train horn that's way in the background.

Speaker 2 (01:49:17):
Right, because your voice, everybody's voice is at a different frequency.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
And I actually had that theory while we were doing
the presentation at the LaDuke. We were doing a spirit
box session with everybody there. I wasn't really getting any
responses when I would ask my questions, so I gave
it to Haley and she started asking questions, and all
of a sudden we started getting answers. And so all
of a sudden it occurred to me Claire sentience that

(01:49:47):
maybe her frequency for her voice obviously was different than
mine and they could hear her, but they couldn't necessarily
hear me. No, they liked her, wait, just shut up whatever,

(01:50:07):
And yes, I'm sure they did, but they could still
like me too.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
I'm just gonna tell you that makes a huge difference too.
If they like you, I have fun with them because
they get they get bored, and so I will talk
to them like drink some let's go have a drink
or food. You know, I'm gonna go have a steak
or I'm gonna have something. And that's how you get
a lot of them to join in when you start
talking about food and can you find try to find

(01:50:34):
a topic that they really enjoy, and you're gonna get
interaction just like that.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
I agree, and honestly I try that. I try that
all the time. I honestly remember. It's one of the
greatest interview tips that I've ever heard. It wasn't given
directly to me. It was something John Stewart said, and
he said, no matter what the topic, no matter how serious,

(01:50:59):
no matter how dark, no matter what, every couple of questions,
he tries to say something funny because it lightens the mood.
It brings you know, it brings you back in. If
you're starting to sway and I try to use that
in the investigations and you know, try to say something

(01:51:19):
sarcastic or make a joke or you know, something like that.
But so far, all it does is get the investigators
around me to laugh at nobody else.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Okay, so here's another thing they said, and I've done
this again. It was in the same scenario. We went
around a room and had people saying what kind of
drink they were going to have or what they were
going to have to eat. That ghost wanted to interact
so bad and kept talking. You do that as well,
because they want to start interacting. You got one and

(01:51:51):
that wants to talk, You're going to have somebody literally
they want to join in.

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
It's just finding the topic.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Yeah, but that's what you keep playing with again in
your medium. That's where your media can tap in. It's like,
you know what, in his previous life or her previous life, whatever,
this was what they enjoyed, and so you can start
talking about that somebody who knows and start talking about
the subject and you will start getting interaction.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
All right, I now know exactly what I'm going to
be purchasing first after I get my car fixed tomorrow
with leftover money that I have in my account. I
will finally be pulling the pulling the trigger on a
spectrum analyzer.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
Suggestion, just if you're just going to try it out,
find one that secondhand, just to play with that, to
check it out, instead of purchasing one and then going
this doesn't work and it was a waste of money.
You can, you can.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
That's all I do, Sina. All I do is all
I do is buy very expensive equipment that I'll use
three times and then never use again.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
You do, I know?

Speaker 1 (01:53:00):
Oh h, it's why I have an SLS that was
twelve hundred and seventy five that I will no longer
use it. Yes, I actually still I use it at
the volst that house. The only problem is that the
software is so janky that it's almost useless to me

(01:53:21):
because it like just shuts off or corrupts itself or
whatever ten minutes after you turn it on.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
But it's a software problem. You need to update it
and check the internet because they might have enough to
go on the website. They've had problems with this before.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
When did you become an SLS expert?

Speaker 2 (01:53:44):
I am? Do you know what I do for a living?

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
Yeah? You use your id you use your medium shipabilities?

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
Yes, and I'm a senior production technician that deals with software,
three D printers and circuit board repair.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Of course, this is an SLS connect camp. Why would
you know about that?

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
Because I like to keep up on electronics a lot
of updates and why something's not working. All right, I'm
compatible with a lot of the equipment that you're working with.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
Well, that's probably true. I haven't been on digital dowsing
in a long time, so you probably correct on that. Okay, interesting,
all right, h the juice is flowing. This is good.
I like this conversation. Too bad it has to end

(01:54:44):
in like five minutes left, all right, so, uh, it's
not long enough or we don't have enough time to
really cover the snack topic as appropriately it should be,
because I think it's an ongoing thing and that is

(01:55:04):
obviously society, and there are still a lot of people
out there, no matter how mainstream the paranormal gets, like,
they're just they're so completely anti what we do. Like
it's it's almost amazing that in you know, twenty twenty four,

(01:55:26):
that you know there are still people out there who
you say you're you know, a paranormal investigator, and you know,
they're like, you know, you must be weird or there
must be something wrong with you to be doing that.
You had told me the story before the show, which
obviously brought this up and caught my attention of you

(01:55:47):
went to an event this past yesterday. It was yesterday,
wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
Interrupt Yes, Saturday, Yes, this is Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:55:57):
Okay, yeah, yep, you're right. Sorry. I just didn't think
that we had talked that late at night, and I
know I didn't get home until like nine thirty or
something like that. But you had said the line that
when you showed up or whatever, you know, they came
over and they talked to you about a bunch of stuff.
But you you know that they had a reason to

(01:56:18):
allow you to be there. Yeah, And I was like, what,
like that just doesn't make any sense. And you can
mention it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
Go ahead, you can say what it was about.

Speaker 1 (01:56:31):
Oh, well, they had something they wanted you to do.
I'll just say that they had a task they wanted
you to do. That your specific gifts are known to
be somewhat good for you know, depending on the situation. Yeap,
And so they quote unquote allowed you to be there.
So they could give you this task, correct, And I

(01:56:54):
guess my only thing is that it's what the f like,
the we're only good is paranormal people when they want
something from us that they can't figure out themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
Because they use it any they use all the resources
that they so.

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
But my question is is that why in this day
and age, when the paranormal has been tossed into the
mainstream for like over a decade now, are there still
people so anti paranormal like they're there?

Speaker 2 (01:57:30):
There's still there's small town and small town take a
long time to catch up.

Speaker 1 (01:57:35):
Yes, they do, and that's terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:57:38):
That is it. I'm just going to tell you that
is right there. The main reason small towns have their
own rules and their own laws. They make their own laws.
They will small townes a lot of the states, you know,
they're just they are stick stuck in the old ways.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
And that is it. Well, old ways suck. So I'm
gonna say, well, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
A wake up call when they when I walked in
and another friend of mine came with me. Yeah, it
was a wake up call for them, and it will
be a wake up call when I contact them about
this certain situation as well.

Speaker 1 (01:58:15):
So all right. Well, I guess with the time that
we have left. I mean, and honestly, this is a
topic we could discuss even more. But yeah, this particularly
this particular instance, so we'll just leave it at that.
But for anybody who wants to like normal, thank you

(01:58:37):
for coming on. Thank you, especially on such short notice
because I did not ask you until last night. Yeah, exactly.
But this was a good conversation. Honestly, it was usually
I usually I just argue with you and you know,

(01:58:58):
make jokes and the whole show. But honestly got a
lot of good information, uh, for for me specifically good
to hear and I and I and I hope for
investigators out there that you will take this stuff as well,
because I know if your paranormal investigators you run into
the same problems that I do. This is not a
me thing. This is a universal supernatural thing, correct, And

(01:59:23):
so one of those things is we just have to
learn together. So if anybody wants to reach out to you,
maybe they want a reading, maybe they want mentorship, maybe
they just have questions, where can they where can they
get a hold of you?

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
My email which is Readings by Sina at gmail dot com,
or go on my website, insightfulsoul dot com sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
Well, that does it for us this week. I think
we're going to have a show next week. The only
reason I say I think is because I know Dave's
taking Labor Day off shocker, because there's a holiday. He
doesn't work on holidays, so I don't think that's next week.
So we'll be back next week with another brand new episode.

(02:00:11):
Until then, stay healthy, stay safe. We want to see
you back here absolutely. Everyone. Have a good night night,

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