Episode 312 - The Elevator Game - The Odyssey Files Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fish bid.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Good evening, paranormal community, and thank you for partaking in
the Odyssey Files once again.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
I'm your host, Michael O'Neil with me back from for
one week before he takes another week week off. Is
my It's Mike Coast, mister David sawy ring, Good evening, David,
Good evening, Mike, how are you good evening? Everybody? I
didn't you need to answer, and you just like continued

(01:49):
like the question like how I'm doing, isn't I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
I didn't figure you were going to answer. I'm sorry,
how you do, Mike?

Speaker 3 (01:56):
I was going to answer. I always answer, and I'm
I'm very very very very very very tired. Just right. Yeah,
I can understand that.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Yes, it's you sent me earlier today. I won't repeat it,
but I figured you were pretty tired.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yes, yes I am, and I don't. I don't care
if you repeat it. I pretty much just said I'm
so tired, I don't want to move and i'll I'll
intentionally just piss myself so I don't have to I
don't have to get out of bed.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
That is what I said.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
That is what I said, and I still feel that way.
But yet I'm here, I I have, I have moved
throughout the house throughout the day. But yeah, it h
it was a very busy and long and hard day

(02:54):
on Friday at work, to the point where I wanted
to clean the house real least start because the team
was coming over yesterday, and I couldn't even do it
because my feet hurt so much. I couldn't stand. I
just I could not stand and like move and clean.

(03:16):
So I was like, okay, I'll just get up early
and rest and yeah, and then from the start at
like seven forty in the morning, all the way until
we got done with the investigation at and home at
like two am, it just was an entire day of
just moving and running around and stuff. So yeah, I

(03:39):
did not want to move much today.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
That's okay. I wasn't up until two am out running
around and I still didn't want to move much today.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
So yes, but that you actually have a reason for it,
like a good health medical reason.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
I have a good health reason, yes, So mine is just.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Pin and laziness. Yeah, but uh, anyway, excuse me, got
a great show. Uh, Dave selected us to talk about
the Elevator game during the second hour. Yes, and that

(04:20):
will either be in a in a very good discussion,
or it's going to last five minutes.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
So the last five minutes, and then it's going to
be the shotgun approach of well, what else is happening?

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Is you hear us typing paranormal news news? Yeah, there's
a lot to this elevator game and and stuff. So
we'll Dave and I have not talked about this, so
I have no idea where he stands on it, and
he has no idea where I stand on it. So

(04:53):
it's not one of those like, yeah, we already agree
and we'll just one of us will throw out the
point you have there will be like you're right on,
and you know, we'll move on with life. But exactly so, yeah,
so we'll have an I'll have a quick discussion or
a long one, but either way it'll it'll be good.
But I wanted to start tonight before we get to

(05:15):
the mail bay mm hmm with a probably more than
likely a complete coincidence, but the context of it, in
the timing of it is amazing. So uh had I
have three new investigators on my team, and last night

(05:40):
one of them had been with us previously on a case.
And now you know, we're starting to get into actually
doing a lot of cases, you know, boom boom boom,
and then two brand new investigators. And so I either
like to go to the la EDuke Mansion, which we're
going to be doing a couple of weeks, or to
a spot that Dave and I know very well, the

(06:03):
cemetery where, uh, where I had my first investigation ever.
And so we went there, uh and it was amazing
as always. But it's one point in time. And I

(06:23):
looked at my clock right after this happened, and it
was eleven forty So I'm thinking it happened between eleven
thirty five and eleven forty pm. We're in the northern
city like North Cities, Like you can't see you can't
see the cities. We're probably what is it twenty twenty
five miles north of north of the north part of
the cities.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, I mean from actual like if you were downtown
Saint Paul, it's an hour drive north.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, So we're in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Yeah, And it's in the middle, literally in the middle
of nowhere, like there's no there's not even small towns
around it, to be honest, it's literally like in the
Mill of Nore.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean they have some cities like within
like fifteen miles of it, but yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
What I'm saying, and even those are small. Those what
I'm saying. So there's no light pollution at all. And
when it's dark out, it's dark.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
Yeah, absolutely what I'm saying. Yeah, So we're going about
the investigation as normal, and I'm trying to come up
with well, basically, I'm taking what scene and I talked
about last night or last week. So if you didn't
listen to that show, you definitely should go back and

(07:34):
listen to that show because there's a lot of really
great conversation and a lot of great uh information being
being shared. And so I tried to put it into
into practice, and it's pretty much like spirits can talk
to other spirits, they can know and they don't have
to go anywhere. They don't have to you know, somebody

(07:56):
from the cemetery wanted to go down and talk to
William Lduke, they wouldn't actually have to go to the
Duke mansion to do it. They can just boom, you know, talk,
you know, telepathically and get whatever they needed because they're
all energy. So why not, and so I'm trying to
put that into practice. And so I bring up, for

(08:17):
the first time ever ever there ever in an investigation,
I start bringing up certain topics that have recently been
like exposed to me. So and I kind of put
it into like a bulk question because it was one
of those can you tell me any information dealing with

(08:40):
these topics? And it was topics of aliens? Can you
tell me about the three waves of volunteers? Can you
tell me about the New Earth? You know, all this
stuff that's spiritually speaking besides the aliens, of course, and
ask that question obviously way to the fifteen seconds or whatever,

(09:03):
And honestly was I had the question in my head,
so I'm phrasing it into my head and I'm about
to ask, can you tell me what is going on
a skin Walker ranch? You know? That was literally in
my head. I'm just about to speak it. In fact,

(09:24):
I think I got the can you and all of
a sudden I hear a loud like you know, and
I'm like okay, and so I kind of stopped because
it's loud. I'm like, if I finished my question, they're
going to answer it. I'm not gettn gonna be able
to hear it, and I'm thinking it's a plane, and

(09:48):
and so I stopped and I turn around and we're
listening is more and it's getting closer, and we realized
that it's it's not a plane, it's a helicopter. And
we turn around and look behind us, and they're like
in the tree lines is I start seeing the red
and blue you know, lights and stuff of a of

(10:10):
an aircraft. And it's a helicopter about five hundred feet
above the ground, so flying low and moving fast like
it it's not like petering along on like a you know,
a tour and it flies directly overhead, like it's not

(10:31):
often on the horizon or you know, one town over.
We had to looked straight up. It flew directly over
us at eleven thirty five at night, in the middle
of nowhere. And I'm just like, I think, I literally said,
like are you are you shitting me? Like how do

(10:54):
I bring that stuff up? And I only draped or
flies over at eleven thirty five at night, and I'm like,
I've been there so many times. So of you, you
might earlier in the night, you might get a distant
single engine plane. You'll hear like maybe a commercial aircraft
flying thirty five thousand feet over you or you know,

(11:17):
take it. Never have I ever heard a helicopter and
definitely never fly directly over us, like five hundred feet
in the air. And I haven't listened to the evidence,
but I asked multiple times whether it was EVP or
whether I'm the spirit box. We did later and I'm like,

(11:39):
did that correlate? Like is there did that happen because
of the questions that I just asked, because my god,
the timing of that I couldn't have been any weirder.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah, I'm not gonna say it, but you know, it's
it's it's similar to what is what we see kind
of happening at Skinwalker Ranch right, Like like they are
talking amongst themselves about something not even you know, there's

(12:16):
not even active investigating going on there, just maybe something happened,
and then they're just kind of talking amongst themselves like
what did you just see? What it would just experience?
And then next thing, you know, an unmarked black Hawk
shows up, you know, with its lights out and no
transponder signal going, and you know, and like they've said
many times, and I don't know, people realize this. They're like,

(12:37):
there's not an military base within like one hundred and
twenty miles of that, so like you really have to
make an effort to like go fly over Skinwalker Ranch.
It's not like it's just, you know, ten minutes from
some military base.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah, but I have been to.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
That location many, many, many times that you're talking about, and.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
I can't even remember.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Like the the biggest disturbance I can think of off
the top of my head that I've ever even heard
was like a lone car driving down the gravel road
one time during being there for three hours. You know,
other than that, it's dead quiet, it's pitch black, it's

(13:23):
dead quiet.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
The entire time that we were there. One vehicle went
on when on that road and it actually not that
you know, this really needs to be discussed on, but
actually turned into the cemetery that we were in, drove
drove down the road to where our cars were, saw

(13:48):
that there were actually still people there. Yeah, and turn
around and turn around and left and drove down to
the dock or the boat. The boat.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Some kids, I think it's a place to drink some
beer or make out or whatever.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
But yeah, and that's exactly why I think happened.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
They Yeah, right, Saturday night, State night, you know.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
But you know when the car showed up, it was
an hour hour and twenty minutes or hour and a
half or whatever before the helicopter flew over. So I'm
trying to Okay, so this is north because I'm looking
at a map because I want to It's not like
they were flying towards the cities. I don't think if

(14:37):
I'm looking at this wrecked ly we were right.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
Here, well the boat, the ramp would be north due
north of you. Yes, if you were facing the ramp,
that would be due north of you.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
So from this, it looked the way it was traveling.
It was coming from the northeast, traveling northwest, it seems strange,
or traveling south southwest? I'm sorry, did I say northwest? Southwest?

Speaker 4 (15:09):
Okay, northwest, I'm gonna say southwest, lest like it was
heading back down towards the cities.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Either the cities or yeah, like down towards Saint Cloud.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
Gotcha.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
So yeah, no idea, but I wanted to mention it.
I told you obviously this morning. Yeah, and honestly, like
on the audio, you will hear me be like I
might have to tell Day about this before we even leave.
I'm like, I'm just gonna turn my phone on and
I'm gonna send them a message before we even leave
the cemetery. He's gonna be so jealous. I'm like, the

(15:45):
juices will be flowing.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
I've had so many amazing experiences there. I can't even
recount them all. I mean, it's just every time I
go there, it's there's always something really cool that happens.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yes, uh, and this is no different. This was it
was an interesting night.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
So anyway, Uh, with that said, I just I found
it was interesting, very very interesting. Just the timing of it.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, very much so.

Speaker 3 (16:16):
So without further too, let's get to Yeah, it's proud
to present the mail bag Dave gets us is nine
seconds to chomp on some stuff. I'm finishing up a

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couple of front fries. No, I understand, good job. Alrighty,
So we got uh, we got some interesting ones. I
like these, So start number one Poltergeist Advice, looking for
suggestions and recommendations. I've lived in my house for four years,
and over the course of my time here, weird things

(17:02):
have happened, things moving, things going missing, and the stuff
that goes missing is never mine. I'm a woman. When
my ex husband lived with me, it was always his stuff,
and now my boyfriend lives with me, and it's always
his stuff. Over the last couple of weeks, the weird
things have been happening more frequently, and it's things that
haven't happened before. One of my dogs woke me up

(17:25):
at four am, which is very out of character for him,
going absolutely nuts. I went to check on him, and
all my boyfriend's books on our bookshelf were pushed forward,
and not in a way that would have been one
of my animals. None of my stuff was moved. Earlier
this week, I was hearing scratching in the walls, and

(17:45):
I assumed that we maybe have an animal in the walls.
But I did a super in depth investigation and found
zero potential points of entry into the house for something
of the size that the scratching would come from. When
it happened, all of my animals were freaking out at
the sound. Nothing of these occurrences seemed malevolent to me,

(18:08):
but it's honestly unsettling, and I wanted to stop. I
have staged already and I was planning on getting some
black salt tonight. But what else can I do? I
don't want to upset anything or anyone in my home,
but I need some help, alrighty. First, I want to

(18:32):
commend you because this is actually poltergeist activity. It's not
like just some stuff that happened that people are attributing
to it and using the term. I legitimately think that
this is poltergeist activity. And the reason I say that is,
guys think it's you. I think that your emotional state

(18:57):
over the four years has developed this into a poltergeist.
You obviously had some issues with your ex husband, that's
why he's now your ex husband. So and now you
have a boyfriend, and I don't know, maybe you're having
issues with your boyfriend. Not a lot of people who
don't know about the paranormal would attribute, you know, an

(19:21):
argument or something like that into into poltergeist activity. Like
they just don't compare the two, so when they tell
us about it, it's not part of the story. I
think a lot of this is happening while you're asleep,
you know. The last line really kind of hits it
home that you don't want to upset anyone, anything or

(19:44):
anyone in your home, which means you're probably a people
pleaser and that and when people pleasers, they have a
hard time expressing themselves because they don't want to upset anybody.
So all of that energy builds and builds and builds
and turns into what you have now. And now this

(20:06):
poltergeist is obviously set on your target, which is the
men in your life, it might just say, probably rightfully.
So so my recommendation.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Is I.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Please don't take this or anything as you just need
to work out your your emotional issues. So I would
suggest to see somebody about what is going on in
your life that you can't express to other people. Do yoga,
do anything that's like a stress reliever for you. And

(20:46):
I think over time all of this stuff will go away.
If you stop feeding a poultergeist, it just shribbles into nothing.
But if you don't, and if you leave it to it, say,
isn't gonna help Because you are the one doing it.
It's not a spirit. You can't just banish it away.

(21:08):
In fact, I had a case once where it turned
out to be a poltergeist and we like kicked it
out of the house and we told our client what
was going on, and before we were even out the door,
it was already coming back in. So yeah, that is

(21:28):
my advice to you is deal with whatever emotional issues
you have that are stressing you out in any way
that you can talk to somebody, exercise like a yoga whatever,
and I think in quite quickly this will shrivel up
and stop happening. I agree with you. I think that.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Time is of the essence here.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
It's getting how I agree, yeah, yeah, So if you let.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
This continue and let it go, you can it could
potentially get to the point where it kind of starts
having its own self energy, and that's not certainly not
what you want to have happen. So I agree with Mike.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I think that.

Speaker 4 (22:20):
You know, I think that you're having some issues with
the men in your life, and that you created this
type of protector, like this powerful female entity maybe who
you wish you were and you're not.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Or you don't see yourself.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
As that anyway, and that you want and so you're
looking for help because you feel vulnerable or scared. So
I think the best thing here too is go get
some psychiatric help. Deal with these problems, get them out
off your chest, talk to somebody who can listen and
have some idea of how to help you. I wouldn't

(22:59):
necessarily keep turning to things like sage and black salt
without going and seeing a psychiatrist or at least some
type of mental health health therapist and just talking things
out and seeing if that doesn't decrease the energy. But
if it's getting to the point where you're manifesting things

(23:21):
that your animals are losing their minds over, it's getting
powerful and you need to be very careful.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
So seek out some help.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Don't just rely on things you read about on the internet.
I would imagine most people don't even understand what black
salt is, you know. They just think it's a seasoning. Honestly,
that's okay, yeah, I get you know it is. Actually
it is a seasoning. There is black salt comes from Hawaii,
and it's volcanic salt which has the black ash and

(23:54):
it has a totally different flavor and it's made specifically
to provide a certain type of flavor profile with food.
But that's not the black salt she's talking about here
in this story. So so go get some help, try to,
you know, repair your relationship with the men in your life,
with your ex husband, if you can and with your

(24:16):
boyfriend if it's if you're having issues, try to work
things out. And I think that I think you'll be okay.
And I agree with Mike. I think this poltergeist activity
will stop, and I think that the energy that's fueling
this will just kind of slowly decrease in its size
and frequency and to the point where.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
It's just not there anymore. It's just going to disappear.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
It'll be absorbed back into the ether.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
The only thing that I would like to add here
going on, building off of time is of the essence
is if this is left unchecked and is continuing to
be fed, it will a create its own consciousness, but
it will be based off the energy that you are
providing it. And it is the energy that is directly
directed directly at your boyfriend currently.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
Towards men in general, I feel in this particular thing.
And so what's going to affect your dad, your brother?
You know, it's going to affect any male that comes
into the house unless you're not going to distinguish.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
That's very true. It might not distinguish.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
It's just going to see the male entity, and it's
going to focus who's the male entity in the house today.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Right, But what is going to happen then, as it
grows and gets more powerful, it's going to start attacking them.
It's not going to move their stuff, it's not going
to throw their stuff around. It's going to throw them around.
So or cause a heart attack. Well, let's not hope
it gets to that point. But I'm just saying, right,

(25:48):
it can. So.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
I mean, our heart is just an electrical impulse, so
I mean it can effect. It can get that bad.
So yeah, So so get some help now what we're
saying right, don't wait, don't procrastinate, don't rely on sage
and black soult. Yes, two great tools to utilize if
there's something very minor and superficial happening not what you

(26:11):
want to, don't use those as your crutch with something
that's potentially gathering energy and strength.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
So okay, So.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Number two, what information do you guys have on the
people who watch at night?

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Hi?

Speaker 4 (26:28):
Guys, do you have any information or knowledge about the
people who watch at night? I know it's not a
thing that everybody experiences, but it sounds like David has
seen them more than once.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
In his life.

Speaker 4 (26:39):
These are the people at night in the dark corners
of your room who just watch, never interacting, just watching.
My fiance and I call them the people who watch,
but they might have other names. Shadow people sounds relevant,
but they don't physically do anything with you or to you.
I'm looking for more information on them because I'm starting

(26:59):
to see them more and more in my life. Please
share what you think they are, so it'd be difficult
to put a label on exactly what you're seeing without
having more background as to what's happening in your life.

(27:20):
But could they be just spirits that are watching you?
Not malevolent, just spirits? Certainly I get the creep factor
that if a loved one comes to see you, you'd
rather see them during the day, sitting at the kitchen

(27:43):
table having coffee, versus standing in the corner of your
bedroom at night. I don't think that's a self chosen
type of thing. I'm not sure that it is, to
be honest with you, I think it's well, I don't
think i'm pretty, or that it's easier for entities to
come visit you in your dreams versus manifesting into your

(28:07):
physical space while you're still awake. So if you're seeing
them at night, you might you might be asleep. You
might just be waking up out of a dream and
seeing them. Could they be shadow people? Certainly, they certainly
could be. You're probably hoping that they're not. You know,
you don't need to have shadow people because shadow people

(28:28):
always want something. So I think you know, and I
have seen them. I have seen dark entities many many times,
more than I care to talk about. But I think
that what's happening here is I think that you're starting
to notice more and I'm not sure that the frequency

(28:51):
is increasing. I think maybe you're just becoming more self aware.
So maybe this has been going on with you for
your whole life, and maybe you just haven't really been
paying attention. And now that you're like in a relationship,
you know, you've got a fiance, things are moving forward,

(29:12):
right your love. You can see this great future for yourself.
You've got these entities kind of coming and watching. But
maybe they've been the whole time, you know, maybe they
maybe not, but maybe they have. Like I said, it's
hard to kind of pinpoint exactly what's going on here
with the info that was provided, but that's.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
What I think is happening. I think that.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
I think that you've been they've been around you for
a long time. I think that you're noticing them more
because you're letting your guard down, maybe because your relationship's
going so well that you're not you're involved in that
and your energy is focused on that, and that you're
not paying attention to your surroundings as much.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
And now you're.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
Starting to get more visitations. Hopefully they're not shadow people.
Hopefully it's just loved ones looking in on you. And
like we've talked about on the show hundreds of times,
you know, just because they're dark doesn't mean that they're bad.
It's just different forms of it's different levels of manifestation,

(30:15):
that's all. So it doesn't mean that they're bad, doesn't
mean they're evil. Could be your grandma and grandpa just
coming to see you, and for whatever reason, they're at
twenty percent and so they look black because they don't
have any light to them when you see them, that's all.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
And it could also be your willingness to be open.
You know, you might not be open enough to see
them fully, and so you can only see them without
the light shining. Again, I've reiterated this many, many times,
the difference between shadow people and shadow figures in shadow people,

(30:58):
as Dave was talking about out, they come and go
as they please, they do what they want. If you
get in their way, then they make their presence very
much known. They don't typically just stand in the corner
and watch. But shadow figures, which are just not fully
manifested spirits, can be as Davis talking about a ancestor,

(31:25):
you know, a loved one, somebody coming back and watching
over you. And I agree, I think that this is
not necessarily a thing that you're encountering them more. You're
perceiving them more. I think they're probably there a lot
more often than you know. It's just you don't know it.

(31:48):
That's the difference between the two. And now, because you're
becoming more aware of them being around, you're looking for
it more. Or maybe you don't see it night on Monday,
but your fiance does. Now you're talking about it, and
so now you're combining your experiences, or they're not there

(32:09):
for your fiance at all, they're there for you, or
the other way around the fact that they're standing. And
I've always wondered why it's always the corner. I don't know.
I still have not gotten an answer to that one.
And I've asked it dozens of times. Maybe because it's

(32:29):
the furthest point of the room away from where maybe
wherever you are. I don't know. Yeah, I get that
it's unsettling. I don't I would like to wake up
and see somebody freaking standing in the corner of my
room staring at me like I I would, because I'm

(32:49):
part of this field. I would probably just get angry,
be like, you know the rule, get out of my room.
You don't mess with me in my room. But again
that's just me. Uh But yeah, Honestly, if you have
the wits about it, and you can keep yourself calm

(33:12):
and you know, build up that energy and that confidence
and that strengthen you when you see him, just tell
him flat out, I don't like to be stared at.
You need to please leave us alone. And if it
is a loved one, they will understand that and they'll
make themselves scarce. They might not leave you. They might

(33:34):
watch over you, like maybe from the hallway or something
like that, but they won't come in your room and
they won't let you see them anymore. So there's lots
of things that you can do. It really threw me
off with the whole people who watch as First, I
was like, I have no idea. I've never heard that before.

(33:55):
I don't know what you're talking about. When you got this,
I'm like, oh, okay, now I get it. It's just yeah,
we have different terminology for it. So yeah, if all
they're doing is staring at you, then yeah, try to
just ask them to leave you alone if it bothers
you that much. And I think if they don't listen

(34:16):
to you, obviously right back in and advice will change
and get more aggressive. But right now, I think just
laying down the laying down the rules, laying down the law. Uh, well,
we'll help with you. Are you good on that one? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Absolutely? All right, Yeah, I don't think there's anything to
be scared of. It will be my final thought on that.
I don't I really don't think that something's there to
harm you. I just don't feel that that's what's happening here.
I think it's just somebody watching over you to make
sure you're okay, and you just happen to not be
able to see them there for whatever reason.

Speaker 3 (34:55):
So for this next one, Dave has forced me back
onto my soapbox with this one. So all right, here
we go. Number three, why do the ghosts in most
pictures or videos appear to be hiding? In the vast

(35:15):
majority of ghost pics or videos I've seen, the ghost
always seems to be hiding. Why Why are most are
peeking out from around doors or trees and they always
seem to be fifty yards away. I also see a
lot of images posted of ghosts peering through a window.
Why is it that they never walk directly towards you

(35:37):
or appear right in front of you? Better? Yet, why
do a lot of ghosts appear on cameras that are stationary,
like trail cameras, ring cameras, baby monitors, et cetera, clear
as they yet when someone is present, they appear and
are gone in a flash. I'm not convinced that they
are quote unquote scared of the living, and that's why
they are so elusive, even if they don't realize that

(36:00):
are dead. That does not seem to be normal behavior.
What do you guys think? Okay, here we go. So
the first thing that I want to point out is
that a ton of the pictures in videos that you
are seeing are either miss identified or hoaxed, and so

(36:22):
they're created for that specific thing. And I know Dave,
Dave knows the story is coming because we still laugh
about it. We had our our old boss, I guess
you could call her when we were still with Pair
of X posted a video on Facebook and it was

(36:42):
a picture from outside aimed at her front door and
a screen door. The door was open and there was
something in the door. And all she said is what
do you guys see? I shit, you all not the
first fourteen frickin' messages on this thing. It's a demon.

(37:03):
I see horns. Oh my god, it's a demon. What
are you gonna do? It was her German shepherd standing
in the doorway with the screen doors, and I knew
that immediately. I was just like, that's her dog. People
see what they want to see, right, So when you

(37:24):
talk about people peering out the windows, I will guarantee
you ninety five percent of those videos your matrix scene
it's mudges the thing, or it's an actual person actually
peering out the window. I see so many pictures that
people post, teams and fans of the paranormal. They're like,
oh my god, look at this. I'm like, that's just

(37:44):
smudges in a dirty window. Your matrix scene what you
want to see, And honestly, I mean that's you know
why people put in their their comments. Do you see
the face in the window, You're already pre like had
to believe that that's what you're going to see, which
is why I loved what Rebecca did. And she was

(38:06):
like just not saying anything, it's just what do you see?
That's it? No, there's a face here my dogs, And
I mean I think if she would have put my
German shepherds looking out the screen door, everyone would have
seen the German shepherd as it should have been. And
if she would have said, I think there's a demon
staring at me from the door, everyone would have seen
a demon. They did that anyway. So the thing about

(38:30):
that's the first thing that you need to do and realize,
is that a lot of what you are seeing is
either host or misidentified, and you're you're pretty much at
the mercy of what the person who posted it wants
you to believe. And uh so you gotta be careful
about that. So why does But you're not wrong in

(38:54):
the fact that spirits tend to peek around the corners
and not some much like around trees. But you know
what do I know? And I think that's just because
they're giving the living their space. They don't interrupt them
because then we have to be called in and it's

(39:16):
just it's just drama after that. And honestly, if they
don't know they're dead, that's when they're going to appear
in front of you, because to them, why wouldn't they
it's the ones, it is the intelligence beers who know
what is going on and don't want to interfere with
the lives of the living. You know, they want to

(39:37):
be in that house, but they don't want to interfere
with your enjoyment of the house, so they stay away.
They peer on corners to see if you're there. They
I guess, peak from around trees to see if you're around.
I don't think they're scared either. I just think they're
trying to be respectful and they're trying to stay out
of everybody's way and lead their own little afterlife away

(40:04):
from us, and that's their their right to do so.
But I will agree that there's a lot of there's
a lot of I guess blurry photos that always comes in,
like we can we can see the atoms on the
rings of Saturn, but we can't get a clear photo

(40:24):
of bigfoot. I mean just we got iPhones that do
like eight K, but we can't get a clear, clear
shot of what's looking at you out the window. So
take that all into consideration when you look at this
stuff that people post and exactly what the summary of

(40:44):
it tells you it's I would be far more able
to accept a photo of all if all it was
was posted with the thing of what do you guys think?
And that's it? Anything is? Is it what you actually
see as opposed to what you are led to see?

(41:08):
So I got Dave, Okay, So.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
I'm going to agree on the regretfully when I say
this regretfully that a vast majority of the stuff that
you see posted online is created by somebody looking for
their fifteen minutes of fame, and it's.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Really really screwing up.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
Our industry. Yes, because you know, nine out of ten
photos are faked or misidentified. And I don't know if
that's accurate if it's nine out of ten, but I'm
just gonna use that as an example. So nine out
of ten photos are faked misidentified. You know, I have

(41:58):
looked at stuff, I've matrixed things before and looked at
a mirror like a photo out of a mirror and see,
and I saw something that wasn't there, but my brain
interpreted the light refraction of the glass and the fact
that it was an old mirror and the silver behind

(42:20):
the mirror was starting to fade and disappear in spots,
so it created dark spots. And then you've got light
coming from other sources, and you've got smudges, and next
thing you know, you've got to face of a being
or a head or something. You know, I've seen it.
I've seen all of those. Regretfully, those one or two

(42:44):
out of ten that are legitimate get dismissed way too
fast and way too easily because of the other eight
or nine that are not legitimate. And I hate that
about the paranormal. That's one of my biggest pet peas.
I think that there are some great photos out there.
I think there's some great evidence out there, but you

(43:04):
really have to sift through it.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
So I don't.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Think that ghosts are hiding. I don't know that I
agree with Mike on that point. Like every time I've
seen an entity, not every time. Majority of the time
that I see full blown entities.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
They're not hiding.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
They just they just are right there. They're in the
room with me, or they're down in the hallway and
as I'm walking towards there, or you know, in the
case of the guy who was in my house after
the auction, he was standing right in front of me
in my kitchen. You know, I don't think like when
we were at the cemetery many years ago, Mike and

(43:43):
I right like, we saw the entity walking right down
the path right towards us. I mean, it wasn't hiding
behind trees. It walked behind a tree and then was
not there when we got there.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Yeah, go ahead. I was just saying, before you go
much further. Yesterday I tried to re create, uh, your
polaroid thing. Yeah. I brought up my polaroid and it
still had film in it. And so I stood in
my living room and was like, Okay, I'm going to
take a photo of my refrigerator. If you're here, go

(44:15):
and stand in front of it. And I took a
polari and there was nothing there. It's just I just
just wanted to say, it doesn't work all the time.
It does not work all the time.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
So you know, as far as the images being blurry.
That's kind of where Mike and I differ a little
bit too. I think that because the veil is opening
and there's energy around, and that and the and the
it's energy that's coming out, it are the way that

(44:47):
our photography works right now, it's beyond our means. It's
beyond our capability of capturing a crystal clear image. Now
that's not to say you couldn't go back to some
old school technique, right I think that we've just advanced
because we're not trying to catch spirits or catch energy.

(45:11):
We're trying to catch family photos and pictures of the
dog and rainbows and boats and you know, images from
a car show and food on a platter that's not moving,
and those iPhones with the AK take great images of that.

(45:33):
But that's a stagnant material object. It's not something paranormal.
So I think that our technology, I think we're I
think that there's a possibility for there to be a
camera that could take really great photos. I just don't
think anybody's moved in the proper direction yet anyway. So

(45:55):
I don't agree with that ghost suppeor to be hiding
at all. I don't think they are. I think that
the entities that hide, If there are entities that hide,
I mean, have I seen things peak around the corner?

Speaker 3 (46:09):
Absolutely I have.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
But is it because they're scared.

Speaker 3 (46:14):
I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
I think it's because they're coaxing you to follow them.
Makes more sense to me. It's not because they're afraid
of you, because there's nothing you can do to them,
and they know that you can't do anything to a
spirit because it doesn't exist a material form in your plane.
There's nothing you can do. It's the same thing we've
talked about many, many times. I'm gonna go kick that
ghost ass. Sure, okay, sure you are, Yeah, go ahead,

(46:39):
go beat it up.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
It ain't gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
So anyway, I think that that when you see a
spirit peak around the corner, like someplace at an asylum
or jail, or an old abandoned building Waverley, you know,
an old asylum, you know, health care facility, whatever, I
think that it because they're trying to lead you to

(47:03):
go that direction. Now, we're not going to waste any
time talking about why they would be leading you tonight,
but I think that's what's happening.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
I think they're trying to lead you.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
So that's all I got on No.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
One.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
Okay, number four, Where's my wallet? Hey guys, I'm a
new listener and I've heard you talk about strange activity
like this, so I thought i'd share my experience. So
this happened a little over a year ago while I
was still living with my parents. I just finished getting
ready for work, grabbed my phone and went to grab
my wallet. But it's not where I remember leaving it.
I start looking in the usual places I keep it

(47:39):
and I don't see it. So I asked my mom
if she saw it. She says no and starts helping
me look. We tore apart my room, moved furniture, check
pockets and hoodies and pants. I even checked my girlfriend's
purse and nothing. My mom started stripping my bed, shaking
out the blankets and pillowcases, and then remade the bed.
So at this point, the wallet clearly is not in
my bedroom. We go check the sunroom. I come in

(48:02):
and out of the house through that room, so maybe
I put it down with my keys, but we don't
see it. Now I'm late for work. I decide to
give up looking for now as I need to leave
and my girlfriend tells me she'll look for it when
she gets back from the doctors. I go in my
room to grab my hat so I could leave, and
the wallet is sitting dead center middle of my bed.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Ain't no damn way.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
We both missed it after literally taking everything off the
bed and remaking it. It wasn't in the bed well
where we were while we were looking for it, But
now here it is. I don't know how to explain it,
and I'm wondering what you guys think. This is a
classic example of like a prankster.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Type of spirit. I think.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
It's just somebody messing with you. It could be a friend.
When I say pranks through, it doesn't mean bad, so
don't go like all of a sudden it's like some
sort of like evil entity. It could just be a
buddy of yours that passed away, you know, too early
in life, or if your grandpa was known to play

(49:08):
practical jokes, or anybody like that in your lifetime that
that like to do stuff like that, just mess with people.
I think that a majority of the time, that's what's
happening there, Like when you put your keys down, and
I've had this happen to me I put my keys
down in the same exact place every single night, every

(49:29):
single good night, and then I would leave, get up
in the morning plenty early. I'm not rushed, and I
go to leave and my keys aren't there, and there's
no way that they're not there, because I've been putting
them there for years. So you know, I think that
it's somebody just playing a joke with you, somebody just

(49:49):
messing with you. So I wouldn't get freaked out about it.
I understand the inconvenience part of it.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
It's bothering you.

Speaker 4 (50:02):
I would say that you just claim your space on
this one, and you just say, hey, look, that was
really funny the other day with the wallet, But you
made me late for work and then I got yelled
at by my boss, and now and then maybe I
got written up, and it's a second time I was late.
I really don't want to lose my job because then
we won't be able to live here, you know, like

(50:23):
the whole idea of what's happening. So just ask them
if they you know what, Just speak out loud in
your house, take back your space and just say, hey,
look it was funny. I thought it was funny. Afterwards,
not while it was happening, but I laughed about it
after the fact. Can you just not do it anymore?
You know, maybe turn a light on in the bathroom

(50:44):
in the middle of the night, but don't like steal
my stuff.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
I need to go to work. So I am going
to disagree with you and say that it's a demon,
just kidding it, just not. I can't believe that came
out of your mouth. You know what, every once in
a while, like throwing a singer. I know that's funny. No,

(51:09):
it's not a demon. I pretty much agree with everything
you just said. I just I think that it's just
maybe somebody you used to know this having a little
fun with you. Might even be a neighbor that you know,
maybe you knew as a child or whatever, and was

(51:30):
always you know, got your nose and you know, pulling
little pranks on you that recently passed away and you
might not even know about it, but they came back
saw that you were living there, Like I'm going to
have a little fun with them again. Absolutely nothing to
worry about if it happens again. As Day said, just honestly,
just be like, okay, a you got me, give me

(51:52):
back my wallet or give me back my keys or whatever.
I gotta go to work exactly, So I mean, just
just acknowledge it, ask for your stuff back. It happens
to me in my house, I'm missing I'm missing something
or whatever that should be right where, you know, I
remember leaving it and it's not. It's like, like, all right,

(52:13):
bring it back. I'd like this back please. More often
than not, I find it shortly thereafter, right, So yeah,
definitely nothing to worry about. I And it doesn't really
seem that you are worried about your just sharing your
story and so yeah, thank you for sharing that. I

(52:35):
think it's great. But yeah, you can, as it seems
like you have, you can pretty much move on with life.
Just just a great story to tell people and share.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
I think it's hilarious that like it waited until mom
tore the better part and he tore the better part,
and then she remakes the bed and he runs in
and grabs his ball cap and it's sitting right there,
like greatly sitting on the bed. I think that's just
I think it's funny.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
I do too. Alrighty Eh, this is going to be
an interesting one.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
To get to number six, which is fine.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
I want to get to number six. All right, Well,
we can go over. Like I said, it might be
a five minute conversation, so.

Speaker 4 (53:25):
I think this one's going to be deeper than that.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Oh, I understand, all right? Anyway, no, no, no, no, the
elevator game, Oh right, not this question. Can the hat
man in your dreams be portrayed as someone you know?
I was reading about shadow figures on the internet curious
about an experience I had myself a while ago, and

(53:47):
ended up reading about the hat Man. Some detail shocked me.
My nine year old is going through some issues when
it comes to sleeping, and it seems to happen when
he's stressed. He has a reoccurring nightmare that he is
too terrified to speak about, so he won't tell me,
but I know it's happening. Surprisingly, one night, he did

(54:08):
finally tell me about one of them, the same reoccurring
one at the time, and it was of me. I
would apparently be standing in the hallway and start walking
into the spare bedroom where he's lying on the floor,
and I would peer over him and stare at him
with big red eyes. This scared him so much I
couldn't even look at him when he was telling me,

(54:30):
I was surprised at what he was saying, and I
guess I got big white eyes and it sprewed him
so much he started screaming and ran into the other room.
When I was reading about the hat Man, it says
he has seen exactly how I looked at my son's dreams,
hovering over the person with red eyes, etc. Could he
have been to my son's dream showing himself as me?

(54:53):
My son has also seen a scary figure coming through
his curtains and standing in front of him, saying something
in a tone that scared him, but he couldn't understand
the words. He said. This was supposedly a dream too,
but I'm not sure. I now wonder if this quote
unquote dream was something much like the hat Man too.

(55:13):
He also experienced air blowing in his ears at night,
like someone sitting on the side of his bed and
blowing very hard straight into his ear canal. This occurred
after he had the experience he said was a scary dream.
Then the other day when I asked him about it,
he said he couldn't remember telling me that and didn't
know what I was talking about. It left me completely confused.

(55:35):
I've read that the hat Man caused people to forget
things that happened to them, and it made me think
about all of this, and either of you please offer
some idea of what is going on with my son.
Thank you. I honestly don't think this is the hat
Man at all. The hat Man obviously does go in

(55:57):
your dreams, and he can morphinim. I've had my own
experience with it, But in all of the stories that
I have read, he has never appeared as somebody that
you know, and he always he always, at least sooner

(56:17):
or later, appears as himself. I mean, sometimes he has
red eyes I think, sometimes he has no eyes. Sometimes
he's got gaping holes for eyes. I mean, he appears
in so many different ways, but again not as anyone
that I've ever read that they know, like a mother, father, daughter, whatever.
I think that this your son has has probably has abilities,

(56:42):
and he has attracted something that is not kindly. I'm
not going to say it's malevolent, but I don't think
he will. I mean, don't get me wrong, he doesn't
have the best interest at heart, like he's not a
nice spirit. I just don't think that it's demonic as

(57:05):
much as it is just a nasty spirit who's out
to do whatever his goal is. But I do not
think in this instance with your son that it's actually
the hat man. He's got his own way of doing things,
and it is not what you are are writing about.
So I would get your son help. Absolutely, bring in

(57:29):
a paranormal team. I'd bring in a medium, somebody who
is going to find answers and be able to help
your son, and quickly like this isn't like I'll look
for the right person. No, bring somebody effing in, and
don't wait, because he's obviously getting He's getting much more
influence over what your son sees and does and how

(57:52):
he feels. And that's never good, especially when it's nothing
but being terrified and scared and messy with his sleep
and all this other stuff. So do not wait. I
get some help immediately, all right.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
I'm not going to use the word demon, but I
am going to use the word malevolent, all right.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
That's fair. Malevolent doesn't necessarily mean demonic. Let's true. Get that.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
So I'll tell you exactly what's going on here. The
fact that her son is seeing the mom as the
evil entity is the evil entities way of trying to
break the bond between mother and son. That's exactly what's

(58:42):
going on here. So if you can disassociate this child
from his mother, he becomes easy pray for something that's
malevolent because he has nothing to fall back on, and
he's only nine years old, and he has no life
experience to pull from, and he's scared shitless already.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
It sounds like so.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
The worst possible thing that could happen here would be
not to get help immediately in this case. I don't
think psychiatric help or a therapist is what you need here.
I think what you need here is you need to
get somebody who's qualified, who's a really good, renowned psychic

(59:28):
medium in to the house, find out what's going on,
have them read the energy in the space. And then
I hope that you have some sort of faith. I
hope you're Christian or whatever, Buddhist, I don't care what
you are. I hope that you have some sort of
faith in a power and a being higher than yourself.

(59:50):
And this is exactly the type of situation.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Where religion comes into play.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
So I would definitely get a leader of your religious
faith in this house as soon as possible. Have him
blessed the house, have him blessed the land and the property,
have him blessed your son, and leave some sort of

(01:00:17):
religious objects behind that can be displayed in your house,
showing this entity that it's not welcome. It never was welcome,
but that now, if it doesn't leave on its own accord,
it's going to be removed. And I think that you

(01:00:38):
need to do this sooner than later, as in and
when I say sooner than later, I mean like probably tuesday.
You know I would not wait. I wouldn't wait another week.
If this was my kid, I would have already I
would have already been in full blown let's this, this
has to get addressed right now type of mode. This

(01:01:00):
thing is starting to do things like blowing into his ear.
He's feeling manifestations of in the real realm of his
life from something that doesn't exist in the real realm
of his life. So I don't think it's the hat man.
I agree with Mike. This is not the hat man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
You went online and started reading stuff and you were
trying to put a label on it. Totally understand this
is not the hat man. So don't So you could
just abandon that this is not the hat man. This
is a malevolent entity that's coming after your kid, and
you need to do something about it now. Yep, So

(01:01:45):
all right. Number six. My dad bought a dress for
my daughter, but my daughter was born five years after
my dad died. So to start things off, I'm not
sure I believe in the paranormal, but this experience is
something that I think of often, and I would like
to share it with you. My dad had me when
he was seventy. Yes, I know that's highly unusual. So

(01:02:08):
when I turned twenty, he was obviously ninety. He was
sick at that point and in bed all day long,
and we knew he was going to pass away soon.
I visited him every day and stayed with him all
morning until he took his nap after lunch. At the time,
his memory was slipping. He mixed up names and faces
pretty frequently. A week before he died, he told me

(01:02:28):
that he had bought me a dress and asked me
to get it from his closet. His caretaker came to
look with me. My dad told us where to look,
and we found a little girl's blue dress that was
sized three to six months. I told him he must
have bought it for one of his grandchildren or as
a gift for somebody else. He insisted that I had

(01:02:49):
to take it, and he kept saying it's for her,
it's for her, now take it home, which at the
time I thought was which at the time, I thought
that it was for me, referring to me as her,
as he didn't maybe understand who he was talking to
that day. I told him multiple times that this dress

(01:03:11):
was not for me, but he absolutely refused to listen.
I took it home and I never saw it again.
I shoved it in a drawer and totally forgot about it.
Approximately one month later, my dad died. I moved on
with my life and I got married. Years passed, and
last January I had my first baby, a baby girl.

(01:03:34):
In April, my daughter turned three months old. One day,
as I opened her closet to pick out an outfit
for the day, the dress my dad had bought was
hanging there right in front of me and had still
had the price tag on it. Our cleaning lady said
she found it somewhere in the room and hung it
in there. I honestly don't know where she could have

(01:03:55):
found it, as last time I saw it was literally
five years ago. I think it's even stranger that the
dress only showed up when my daughter was three months old,
which is what the dress size is. I was the
one who packed everything when I moved out of my
mom's house, and I was the one who packed everything
again when we renovated our new house with my current husband.

(01:04:19):
I never saw that dress other than the day my
dad gave it to me many years ago. I know
this might be a foolish thought, but I think he
bought it for her. As insane as it may sound,
I think this dress was for my unborn daughter. What
are your guys' thoughts? I think you hit it right
on the head one hundred percent. Ooh nice, And I'm

(01:04:47):
sticking with that one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
Well you should because you're right. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
I think that your dad, even though he was starting
to slip as he was passing away, knew that he
was going to have a granddaughter, that he would never
be able to see my great granddaughter whatever, that he
would never be able to see and he'd never be
able to meet her, and he wanted to get her something,

(01:05:15):
and that little blue dress was what he wanted to
get her. And the fact that it showed up back
in your life.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
After you abandoned.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
It is to me proof positive that the paranormal exists.
That dress showing back up in your life at the
exact time that it's going to fit your daughter is
the epitome of something manifesting that was meant to be.

(01:05:46):
That dress was meant to be in your life, even
though you discarded it, even though you never saw it again,
even though you never packed it when you left your
mom's and you never did never saw it. And I'm
sure and you think about this, right your daughter three
months old, you're the one who's putting all the stuff
in her closet at home. You would know if it

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was in there, because you're the one who's hanging everything
in there. The fact that it shows up right when
you open up the closet door and it's right there
in front of your face, that is just a sign
from the other side that your dad wanted you to
know that when he bought that dress, he bought it
for your daughter, knowing that he that you were going

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to have a daughter, and that he was never going
to get to meet her.

Speaker 3 (01:06:35):
I honestly don't have anything really to add. You know,
the only The only thing I guess I could do
a little bit more context is obviously, as we get
near to our end, you know, we start seeing things
more from the other side, and usually it's loved ones,
you know, we see them hanging around our bed and
stuff like that. But honestly, if you believe the whole,

(01:07:00):
we live our lives, past, present, in future, all at
the same time. I mean, he could have easily have
gone forward and saw the fact that you were going
to have a daughter, and so he arranged it that
as soon as she was old enough to wear a
dress like that, he bought it for her. Obviously, in

(01:07:20):
his mental state, he couldn't say it in a way
that made sense to you. He can't. He couldn't say
it's for your future daughter. Whether you would have thought
it was nuts for sure, Well there's that too, So
I mean, it's just the whole, it's for her. You know.
Maybe to him you should have already known. He might

(01:07:42):
have thought you already had a daughter, right, you know
that she had already been born. But yes, I fully
agree with you, Dave. I definitely think that the father
knew ahead a time that she was going to have
a daughter and bought her the dress. All right, well
it's a good story. Finish on. That's a great story. Positive, Yes,

(01:08:06):
very very much so, all right, moving into our main topic,
the Elevator game. The Elevator So, do you want to
tell people what the Elevator game is or do you
want me to Mike Ken? Go ahead. So the Elevator game.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
It's an urban legend that appeared to have originated in Korea,
as the earliest records of the Elevator Game were written
in Korean. Rules of the game began circulating online after
the death of Alisa Lamb in twenty thirteen. In case
anybody doesn't know who Alisa Lamb is, if you want
to take a look at the weird strange and I

(01:08:55):
will say, it was very strange what happened. And anyway,
so it is online, it is documented. There was a documentary,
don I know. There was some paranormal teams that investigated
after she had passed. It happened at the Cecil Hotel
in Los Angeles, so you can go look all that up.

(01:09:17):
But the theory was that she died because she had
been playing the Elevator game. So, even though I usually
don't do this, I'm going to kind of tell you
what the elevator game is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:29):
Don't do it. Let's just just start with that. Don't
do it? Should we not do it? No? No, no, no, no, don't.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
Right, yes, yes percent twice in one show, one hundred percent.
Don't play the elevator game.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
All right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
Continue, So, in order to play the elevator game, you
could be the only person on the elevator. If somebody
gets on the elevator at any point during the game,
you have to start over. So that said, you board
the elevator on the first floor. Oh and it has
to have at least ten floors in the building. You

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board the elevator on the first floor and press the
button to go to the fourth floor. When the elevator
gets to the fourth floor, you do not get off.
You stay in the elevator and press the button to
go to the second floor. When the elevator reaches the
second floor, again you do not get off, and you
press the button to go to the sixth floor. At
the sixth floor, you stay in the elevator and press

(01:10:25):
the button to go to the second floor. When you
reach the second floor, you stay again in the elevator
and press the button to go to the tenth floor.
At this point, people have claimed to have heard a
voice calling out to them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
It's important that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
You do not answer or acknowledge the voice in any way,
shape or form. When the elevator reaches the tenth floor,
you stay on the elevator and press the button to
go to the fifth floor. On the fifth floor, a
woman may board the elevator with you. Some people say
that she is a stranger, Others claim that she bears
a resemblance to somebody from their past. Either way, do

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not acknowledge her in any way, shape or form. Do
not even look at her. The woman is not a human.
Some claim that if you acknowledge her, she will take
you straight to another world with no chance of escape.
Press the button to go to the first floor. If
the car descends to the first floor, the ritual has

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failed and you need to leave immediately. Do not look
back or speak. Just exit the building and do not
look back. However, if the elevator ascends, the ritual has
succeeded and the car will rise to the tenth floor.
This is your last chance to back out of the game.
If you decide you don't want to continue, press the

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button for any floor besides the first or tenth floors
to cancel the game. When you reach the tenth floor,
you can choose to leave the elevator or stay on board.
If you choose to exit, the woman who entered on
the fifth floor may ask you where you're going. If so,
do not look at her or answer her in any way,

(01:12:04):
shape or form. Just exit the elevator. It is said
that at this point you will find yourself in another dimension,
sometimes called the other world, where electronics don't work and
everything is dark save for a bright red cross that
may be reflected in the window. Do not lose sight
of the elevator you arrived in. It's the only one

(01:12:26):
that can take you back safely. If you didn't leave
the elevator, you can press the button to go to
the first floor, wait for the elevator to descend, get
out as soon as it reaches the first floor, then
exit the building and return home without looking back or
speaking of it at all. If you left the elevator,
you must use the elevator you arrived in and repeat

(01:12:50):
the ritual, which means, if you got out obviously, and
you're staring at the red cross and you're not losing
sight of the elevator that you got therein. Then you
must use the elevator go back into the exact same
one that you arrived in, and repeat the ritual. Go
to floor four, then two, then six, then two, then ten,

(01:13:12):
then five, then one. The elevator will begin to ascend
to the tenth floor. You must press the button for
any other floor to stop it before you pass the
ninth floor. Then descend to the first floor. When you
reach the first floor, do not exit until you check
your surroundings carefully. If even the smallest detail seems off,

(01:13:34):
you must stay in the elevator and repeat the ritual
again until you are confident you have safely returned to
your own world. Once you are sure you are safe,
you may exit the elevator and return home without talking
or looking back.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Sounds complicated because it's a lot. It's a long read.
Not so much.

Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
I'm just gonna say, I don't know that being in
an elevator is going to take you to another dimension.
But I don't know that it's not so. Like we
said at the beginning before, I just read that to you.

(01:14:29):
You know, don't play with fire, right, It's the same
thing we're playing with a Wigi board and thinking it's
a game. It's the same thing with playing Bloody Mary.
It's the same thing with playing One Man hide and Seek.
It's you know, there's a lot of stuff out there
right like this to me, even though it's not like

(01:14:50):
One Man hide and Seek, and the fact that that
has an absolute ton of what I would consider to
be ritualistic type of stuff involved with it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:00):
It's dead Man's hide and Seek, not one Man. If
we're talking about the same one, it's dead Man's hide
and Seek. Well I did.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
I looked at both them.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
I thought that two different ones.

Speaker 4 (01:15:16):
Well, one Man hide and Seek is the stuffed doll
that has limbs and then rice and then then you
know with the crimson thread that's dead pair of nail clippers.
That's one Man hide and Seek. According to Creepy Pasta wiki.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Yeah, well, I'm just saying, well, that's dead Man's hide
and Seek from what I understand.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
Yeah, well, so let's see that the name is one
and the same. But anyway, right, so for one Man
hide and Seek and dead Man's hide and Seek being
the same thing, uh, And I'm not going to continue
reading that because I don't want it. I don't want
anybody to be like, oh, yeah, tell me what I
need to do now. I got to create a doll
and then I got to use some crimson thread and

(01:15:55):
I got to cut my toenails.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
No, nope, you didn't hear that here.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
So so do I think that this has a lot
of ritual activity to it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
But then again, I'm not into numerology, and I think
that there's something to do with numerology and this type
of exercise, this type of game, and I think it
has to do with the floors you go to in

(01:16:28):
the pattern of the There's something in there. There's just
something in there that I don't even want to explore
that deeper because I'm not interested in knowing anymore about it.
But I think that there probably is something in there
that makes it kind of a ritual. I don't know
if it's the number of floors you pass as you're
going up and down and up and down and up

(01:16:50):
and down or what, but I think that there's something
there potentially could be something to.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
This and looked to me.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
And only and I say this because she didn't have
a history of mental health, that Elisa Lamb was possibly
doing something like playing the elevator game and something started
to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
And it freaked her out.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
And if you watch the video of like the actual
camera that was in the elevator, the actual security footage,
not somebody, not what somebody creates, but the actual security
footage from the cecil, you can clearly see that she's
struggling with something that she doesn't understand and that she's

(01:17:43):
scared of. And she when the door opens a couple
of times, she's talking to somebody or something and there's
nobody there, and you can see her talking to it,
engaging with it, but the camera doesn't catch anything. So
is it, regretfully, is that an example of her successfully

(01:18:07):
completing the game or her about to successfully complete the
game and started having, you know, the otherworldly experiences? You know,
was the woman about to enter the elevator with her?
Was she talking to the woman even though she probably
knew she wasn't supposed to. I don't know, I wasn't there,

(01:18:34):
but something happened, and then regretfully, they found her passed
away in the water tank in the roof. Yeah, naked, Yeah,
with no clothes.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
Yeah, So okay. Reasons why it's going to be short
I think that what this is is it's completely made up.
But like slender Man, because it reached the Internet and

(01:19:09):
all of these people started reading it, they started getting interested,
they started thinking about it. It has now become something more.
It taken on a life of itself. And the one
thing that you're gonna do with all of these different
number combinations is you're going to focus. You're going to
focus on doing it right because you've been told that

(01:19:31):
if you do it wrong, bad things are going to
happen to you. So you're going to make sure that
you do everything right. You're going to focus on it.
That's all you're going to be thinking about. You're doing
this to yourself. I think you could probably get in
a cardboard box and probably do the same thing if
you truly believed what you were doing was going to

(01:19:55):
give you that goal, was going to give you that result.
And I think if you truly believe that if you
do this right and you do it in this way,
that this woman is going to be standing there. The
woman is going to be standing there. Like I think,
you are just using the elevator almost like a spirit board.

(01:20:16):
You are the instrument that is just a tool, and
you were using it to create this through your own,
your own thought process, and I actually did because you
mentioned numerology, So I actually just typed in numerology and
then the numbers in row and came up with zilch.

(01:20:37):
I don't think, I don't think. I mean, obviously those
numbers individually all have their own meaning to them, but
there's nothing that puts them in that order, right and
not in the thing that I had like it had
like number two is cooperation, number four is organation, like

(01:21:00):
there's just there's nothing really to it that would lead.
So I honestly believe that this is somebody's got high
on a Saturday night and decided to create this shit
storm that they then put out into the world. And

(01:21:23):
I think it can be real if you believe it is.
And like I said, this is like the Ouigi board.
It's just a moving Oigi board, that's all it is,
except instead of inviting spirits to come and talk to you,
you're bringing yourself to them. And it absolutely is dangerous,

(01:21:48):
dangerous because if you do, in some way get into
these thought processes and move yourself into another dimension and
you forget the slightest thing, you probably will appear mm hmm.
I don't think that uh miss Slam is a victim

(01:22:11):
of the elevator game, because in no story that I've
seen nothing here does it say you will end up
dead naked in it, you know, the top floor water right.
I definitely, I definitely think that this is just foul play.
I hope they solve it and figure out what happened,

(01:22:34):
you know, or or whether it is suicide. Maybe she
did have some sort of mental breakdown, maybe she got
possessed somehow by a spirit and was driven to commit suicide.
Uh well, you know that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
That location is notorious for having.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
Suicides and tons of suicide just taken up roost there.
And I mean exactly. I mean, so if she.

Speaker 4 (01:23:02):
Was a lot of dark energy in that hotel, if.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
She somehow wasn't able to protect herself and had abilities
that maybe people just didn't know about, it's awesome like
the Hotel California or the Shining I mean, the not
the kid himself, obviously, but the husband was driven obviously
insane by the spirit. I mean, obviously that's sorry. I
understand that. But who's to say that that's not what

(01:23:31):
happened here? And she was driven insane by the energy
of the place, and the only way she managed to
get out was to commit suicide. Right, you know, the
Hotel California, you can check out any time you like,
but you can never leave. I just think that somebody
on the internet decided to be like, let's give this

(01:23:56):
gain credence and credibility, and will you use this tragedy
and say that she was playing, that she did it wrong,
and uh, there's even I just actually ran a story,
except I wanted to have like, not only I want
to know what the game was. I wanted, you know,
maybe there's stories out there people who quote unquote played it.

(01:24:17):
And so I started reading like this long story about
this thing that was doing it. And he really lost
me though when he said he played the game in reverse,
you know, he put the floors in reverse, and I'm like, yeah, well,
that right there is wrong because that's not how you
play it. You have to do it in the same order,
not in reverse order. And then the story ended with

(01:24:40):
him not getting out. I'm like, well, that would be
the first sign that this was a made up story,
because obviously if you don't make it out in the story,
do you write the story? How do you how do
you write the story. So I mean people, but all
of the people who write these stories give it credibility

(01:25:00):
to people who aren't looking for that plot hole. You know,
all they're doing is reading it for this entertainment value.
And then they're like, oh, man, I'd like to have
an experience like that. No, you wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
People. I don't think that people understand what they want
to have. I don't think they think it through. No, No,
they don't, you know, totally. And then and then sometimes regretfully,
you do something that you can't back out of, hm,

(01:25:37):
you know, and then that's when you're screaming and crying
and laying in the feet of position in your own urine,
you know, and there's no and there's no way out.

Speaker 3 (01:25:49):
So I've been saying this for decades. Careful what you
wish for.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
But I do agree with you that this certainly could
have just been like creep you know, like slender Man
obviously was a story written on Creepypasta. He doesn't exist,
or he didn't exist. But does he exist now?

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
Is it possible that he does? Absolutely, because there's been
so much energy put into that story. There's been so
much energy, so many thousands and tens and hundreds of
thousands of kids have believed that and investigated it and
went and tried to find him and went in the woods.

(01:26:43):
And you know, even if you just go in there
scaring each other, you're releasing a ton of energy when
you're doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
And so.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
Is it possible that something like that, you know, got
created through all of this activity focused on that?

Speaker 3 (01:27:05):
Absolutely? It is totally.

Speaker 4 (01:27:09):
Is it possible that this elevator game, even though it's
it's just a material thing in our existence, It doesn't
have a consciousness. It's just an object, you know, an
elevator is just an object.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Is it possible that doing this the.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
Right way and following through with it that maybe it
takes you someplace? I think it's possible. You know, there
are doorways and pathways to other places. We already know that, right,
We talked about it. We talked about it a lot

(01:27:51):
on the air, off the air whatever, right, Skinwalker ranch
to me, they're finally figuring out what is going on
there above the try and goal. I think there's a
traversible wormhole, and I think that there's something going on
with the mesa where whatever these entities are, whatever these
things are. They are able to vibrate at a different

(01:28:12):
frequency than we understand, so that something to us that's
solid material like a rock mesa to them, that's not
what it is. And they're able to traverse right through
it because they're in a different vibrational level than we are.
And so how they are seeing things and how we
see things at two different things. So do I think

(01:28:34):
that something like this could create a portal that possibly
could take you to some sort of place, some sort
of alternative universe, open up a door into a different realm,
a parallel realm. Do I think it's possible?

Speaker 3 (01:28:51):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:28:53):
And so when I say don't go out and do this,
I'm saying that because I think it's really a possibility.
And unless unless you're ready for you know, unless you're you're.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Signing off here.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
In our world and you're just ready for an experience
and you don't care about the ramifications, and you're not
afraid of what could be on the other side, and
that's what you want to go get and that's really
where you want to be, then go for it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
I'll be the first one there back. And yet, because I.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
Don't think there's anything wrong with that, We all have
the ability to be who we want to be and
what we want to be, and we can do whatever
we want to and that is what God gave us
his free will. And so if that's what you want
to do, is you really want to go explore and
try to find a path to some other dimension and

(01:29:50):
then are willing to just accept it for what it
is when you get there, Hey man, I'll.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Be right there with you.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
We'll take a polaroid together before you get on the thing,
and you know, I'll shake your hand, and and when
you don't come back out of the elevator and you're
not there anymore, I'll be here to tell your story.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
You know, how gracious of you, Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:30:12):
Well, I'm not going to try to keep somebody from
doing something that they want to do, you know, as
long as you've thought it through. And I'm not talking
about a child, I'm not talking about a teenager. I'm
talking about somebody who has some life experience and understand
you know, and whatever, and just is really interested in
going and exploring something else. It's the same thing with

(01:30:37):
alien abduction. Do I think alien abduction is real?

Speaker 3 (01:30:42):
Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
I do you know, and if people if people who
are repeat abductees find some sort of comfort in that
because somehow they've been biologically manipulated by their contact with
this other race that they no longer feel comfortable in

(01:31:03):
their own skin here and they only feel good now
after multiple abductions. When they're there, then by all means,
go there, Go it's cool, say goodbye to the people
you love, and.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
Go Well, guys, I guess you got it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:27):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
It's the best way to commit suicide without actually dying.

Speaker 4 (01:31:31):
Yeah, I mean it's not suicide.

Speaker 3 (01:31:33):
You're not committing suicide.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
Well, I just be just transitioning to another.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Existence. I put suicide in quotes because you're disappearing from
the world.

Speaker 6 (01:31:45):
Right right, So you would cease to exist here, but
you would continue to exist someplace else. Yeah, this entire
story just reeks. And as soon as I've read like
the Red Cross that like reflects in the distance or whatever,
I'm like, this sounds exactly like Silent Hill.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
Yeah, there was that scene in Silent Hill that had that,
and so you know, and the whole like there's just
nobody around and it's dark and it's creepy and it's sterile,
and I'm just like, yeah, this just I have no
doubt in my mind that this was completely made up

(01:32:25):
and then made real by the people who by the
people who wanted to believe that it was true. I mean,
I even read one article about us is they don't
have any sort of stories or it's like successes, successes
or anything like that, going only as far back as

(01:32:47):
like twenty eleven. So I mean, I don't even know
if this like reaches urban legend as much as just
somebody trying to make something up. Mhm. And uh seeah
that I but again I agree with you. Uh you know,

(01:33:13):
if there's anything that has been drilled into my head
in the last like multiple months here or this year anyway,
is that the mind can pretty much do whatever it wants.
And if you manifest that yourself, that you you can
do it. And so I mean we can already do

(01:33:33):
it in our dreams. M hm. I do it all
the time. Yeah, we can ask your a project, we
can go to other dimensions. All we're doing is we're
focusing so much as we're doing it all awake, right,
and you know, and and good for them for putting
in the anecdote, because if they just didn't and now

(01:33:55):
you're in another dimension and they would have left it
there and they want to put the whole belief of
this is how you get back. Then we'd I think
we'd have a whole hell of a lot of missing
people on our hands because they would make themselves go
to another dimension and then they wouldn't know how to
get back.

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
And it's all I think, we already have a whole
shitload of missing people.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
Well yeah, but I mean in an elevator no, just
in general.

Speaker 4 (01:34:24):
I'm saying, so who knows if maybe somebody successfully played
the game and did and when they came back down
to the first floor, they weren't done the elevator anymore, right,
I mean Evil did an episode and I know we
were talking about Evil a couple of weeks ago. You know,
Evil did an episode of the elevator game which was

(01:34:45):
very similar to the fact where like you had to
pay attention to the elevator that you got off of
and keep your eye on it because if you didn't
get back into that exact same elevator, you were trapped,
you know. And they went and they found the kids
that had played the elevator game down in this other
type of dimensional basement for lack of a better term.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:35:10):
In that episode obviously it's a TV show, but it
was well done, you know, and it kind of gave
you a visual of what I just read to you
earlier at you know, the beginning of the hour with
this game and like how to play it. You know,
it gives you a nice visual of it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
So you know, I don't know, I don't know. I
you know, as I get older, I think that would
I do it? Probably not.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
I certainly wouldn't do it on a dare you know
that would not be a reason for me to do
something like this. I mean it would be. It would
be because I wanted to do it, and that I
wasn't worried about whether I was going to be on
the elevator when I came back down to the first floor,
or whether I would be in another dimension. I'm not

(01:36:01):
ready to just arbitrarily show up in some other dimensional
rift like you know, I'm just not ready. I'm just
that I just don't want to just like, Hi.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
I'm Dave, where am I?

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
You know, and then like never find my way back
and then like try to adjust to wherever the hell
I just showed up at, because God forbid you show
up into a parallel dimension of our world. You know,
they might not take it very kindly. They might see
you as some sort of alien being and you know,

(01:36:43):
kill you and dissect you to figure out what makes
you tick. You know, the men in black show up
and throw you in the back of a black van.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
And zoom off.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
The next thing, you know, and then you're like, well,
what the hell was?

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
It would probably be lizards in black at that point
in time. Yeah, well there you go. Yeah, I don't
want to be dissected. So you're you're the extraterrestrial and
and you would be right, and who knows where you're
gonna end up. Maybe that's what Bigfoot is. Maybe Bigfoot
is just a species from his world playing the Elevator game.

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
I think that's a little bit of a reach.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
But okay, really it's a reach for the fact that
Bigfoot's playing the Elephant game. But where elephant Elevator game?
But we can play the Elevator game and that's perfectly fine,
and that's not a stretch. No, Okay, having some indigestion.

Speaker 5 (01:37:38):
Problems, no, no, like, why are you talking? No, I'm
just h no, no, all right, fine, so throw that
theory out. But everything else is perfectly acceptable.

Speaker 4 (01:37:51):
No, no, no, I didn't say throw it out. I
just said I don't agree with it really acceptable for
you to throw it out there. I just don't see
that as being the same as us doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:03):
Well, I'm sure in their world it's not an elevator.
It's probably like a tree, tree fort or something.

Speaker 4 (01:38:09):
Well, here's the thing, right, So Bigfoot has the ability
to dimensionally kind of open rifts and appear and disappear
as it wants to.

Speaker 3 (01:38:23):
I don't know if we play the Elevator game.

Speaker 4 (01:38:26):
If you and I were to get on elevator and
play the Elevator game and actually got sent to some
dimensional rift, to another time or another location, that we
could show up and then just bug out whenever we

(01:38:46):
wanted to by opening up another rift, I don't know
that we have that capability of doing that, you know
what I'm saying. So I think that when we got
to wherever we would be going, we would be stuck
there probably, And I'm not interested in being stuck somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:39:07):
Well, I mean, because that's the difference between us and Bigfoot.
Bigfoot and Sasquatch know what they're doing, so they can
come and go as they please. We're doing all this
because we're stupid and bored, right and don't and don't
know what we're doing it all right, So yes, we
would get stuck or we would get stuck. And you know,

(01:39:27):
and I wonder if if I am correct, and this
is all in your your mind is the one creating.
It's your belief. What happens if you get in the
elevator and you start being like, oh man, I hope
this works, you know, or you know, or you start
doubting the fact of you know, doing it properly, are

(01:39:47):
you able to get out? Then if you don't fully
believe it anymore, or if you start to doubt it,
you know, even if you start to like imagine yourself
stuck there, are you now creating the fact that this
ritual is not going to work.

Speaker 4 (01:40:05):
Well in that aspect, I would say yes, right, because
if you go into it, if you go if you
if you go to play the elevator game, and you
go into it as fully vested in the fact that
this game, that this sequence of events is going to

(01:40:29):
take you to someplace else, and then as you're playing it,
you waiver, as you're getting near the end, you waiver
because things are going right and everything's happening as it should,

(01:40:50):
and you're no longer as brave as you thought you were,
and you start to get scared about the fact that
it might actually work. Do I think that that would
break the ability to take you?

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
Yeah? I think so. I don't think that. I don't
think you'd be able.

Speaker 4 (01:41:12):
To do it anymore, you know, And I don't know
at that point. Honestly, maybe you'd never be able to
do it at that point. Maybe that one moment of
weakness where you got scared, maybe you did no matter
how many times you went back, Maybe you'd already set
the pattern or the imprint that you're not capable of
making the transition.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
So the door is not going to open for you
pretty much.

Speaker 4 (01:41:36):
And that's what I mean, Like, if somebody's going to
do it, you have to be vested in it, Like
you really have to be vested and say, you know what,
I'm not afraid of what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
Very true, And that's I think that's probably why some
people probably try to play the elevator game and it
fails and.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
They freak themselves out and the game just and it
just whatever is supposed to happen just doesn't happen, right,
you know? Is that the same with a Wiji board?

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
You know? I don't know. I mean, can we make
a correlation to that? Maybe?

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
Right if you're really if you if you sit down
and really want to experience something using a Wiedi board,
and you're with a couple of other people who are
fully vested in making contact with whatever, and they're not

(01:42:33):
afraid of whatever it is. They're just willing to accept
whatever happens, and they really believe that. Do I think
you can make contact with something using a weedy board?

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (01:42:46):
You can, absolutely, absolutely no doubt in my mind. When
you start using weedy board and you feel like you're
one hundred percent confident, and then things start to happen
and you think it's your friends moving the planchet, and
your friends think it's you, and then you all come

(01:43:07):
to the self realization about the same time that it's
not the other people moving it, it's actually moving, and
you freak out and you run and scream and leave
the room. Then I don't think you're making contact at
that point, right, I think that you're I think that
there's the potential there because you left the door open

(01:43:30):
that now this door can stay open, this past this
dimensional pair that you created could stay open, and something
could potentially come through. But I don't think that you're
you know, then you become haunted. I mean that that
becomes a whole other story, in a whole another episode.
But you know, then you could be you could have
an attachment and you could become haunted and all that
other fun stuff. But I mean turning it back to like,

(01:43:52):
if somebody's really invested, do I think that you could
make contact with other things? Absolutely?

Speaker 3 (01:43:58):
Do. I think it's dangerous.

Speaker 4 (01:43:59):
Absolutely, But if you're fully invested in it and you
want to do it, okay, just document the hell out
of it so we can all use it as a
learning tool, man, you know, so that we could all
like try to experience what it is you experienced without
being there. Have all the equipment you possibly can going.

(01:44:20):
You know, here's.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
Another thing that just like popped in my head now,
and it's kind of goes to back my theory of
this thing is completely asinine and just made up? Is
I mean typically not always? You know, if you're on
you're in a building that has at least ten floors

(01:44:44):
at least ten floors. You're gonna have thirty floors if
you want at least ten floors. Is typically a pretty
nice building because they sink a lot of money into it,
or at least it was at one point. At least
it was at one point, right. But the point I'm
trying to make is that, especially now, elevators have cameras in.

Speaker 4 (01:45:04):
Them security, they don't have them in the hallway aimed
at the doors, you know, like they which I believe
is like the Lamb video is because they always.

Speaker 3 (01:45:13):
Talk about her exiting the elevator talking to her, So
the camera is not in the elevator, Yeah it is.
It is in the elevator.

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
Yeah, it's in the elevator because it's always the back
of her head as she's looking out and then talk.
You can see her when she's got her head turned
to the left. You can see her talking to somebody
on like the fifth floor, and then she gets freaked
out and runs back into the elevator and hides in
the corner, you know, And then it goes to the
tenth floor, and then you know, she's commute, she's talking

(01:45:44):
with something there, she's actually seeing something. So through psychosis
of her own mental illness or through something truly paranormal.

Speaker 3 (01:45:55):
We'll never know, but.

Speaker 4 (01:45:58):
She is holding some type of conversation with thin air, right.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
So that course, the reason I bring that up is
just besides this LAMB video. Yeah, where all the other
security that people actually disappearing because at some point in
time they have to transpt the dimension and they should
just be gone. I would agree with you, But yet
there don't seem to be any videos, whether faked or

(01:46:23):
hoaxed or misidentified or real. That's like, oh my god,
this person was in the elevator. Look at this security
footage and they just disappear. There's none of it. Otherwise
it would be top news. It'd be all over you too.
You can look it up.

Speaker 4 (01:46:39):
No oh no, but what I but right off the
top of my head, my answer to that would be
there would be a huge liability issue for the building
owner of somebody just poarding out of their elevator into
another dimension. There might be a little bit of it

(01:47:00):
might just be a little bit of some type of
like investigation or lawsuit, you know what I mean. But
that's just bad publicity. And so I can see that
there might be some type of footage that's just never
going to see the light of day, because they were like, yeah,
just bury that, just get rid of that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:18):
That's never going to come in this day and age.
Somebody is going to put that out on YouTube.

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
Yeah yeah, you would think. So who knows if there
isn't something on YouTube like that. I'm honest with you,
I never looked.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
All you know, with how much you and I run
in the paranormal world. And I mean freaking three forces
of my three voices of my friends on Facebook are
paranormal people I've never met in my life, right, and
these people post videos all the time. Somebody is going

(01:47:54):
to find if there is one a video of somebody
just disappearing in an element and that, as far as
i'mywhere and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I have
not seen a single video of that yet, not even
Miss Lamb, as far as I know, she didn't just
disappear in the elevator.

Speaker 4 (01:48:15):
No, she did not.

Speaker 3 (01:48:17):
She walked out of it, correct, Yes, as.

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
Far as I know, she walked out of it on
her own accord.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
Yes, right, So even she did not just like vanish
into another dimension. And supposedly that is supposed to happen
the doors are going to open and you're in another dimension.
Now you walk out and you're in another dimension and
it doesn't happen until you're like out of camera view.

(01:48:43):
But possibility, it's a possibility.

Speaker 4 (01:48:47):
Well, it's a possibility that you would exit the elevator
and that, like it said, you know, realize what you
take a look around and make sure that it's what
you recognize and that things don't seem to be off.

Speaker 3 (01:49:02):
Well that that's if you're trying to come back into
our world, right, that you don't react sit after the fact.
But I don't know. I just think that if you're
trying to transfer dimensions in an elevator that you would
probably just disappear, or I would agree with you.

Speaker 4 (01:49:22):
I think that you would just basically one minute you'd
be there. In the next minute, you wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:49:27):
I mean, if you were going to write this for TV,
like not an episode of Evil or anything, but you're
gonna watch for like The X Files or something like that,
Like it would be moldering Scully looking at footage and
all of a sudden, the security camera would phase in
and out, like there'd be an energy surge, would be
all saticky and it would come back and the person
would be gone. Right. I would think that's how it

(01:49:50):
would happen.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
And I certainly think because you're opening some sort of
rift that we don't understand, there certainly would be some
type of energy, massive energy explosion type of thing that
would screw with our technology that we realize today.

Speaker 3 (01:50:08):
Yeah, so huh, well, Dave with ten minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
Left, So don't play the game.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
No, don't, don't. Don't play the game. You know, it
doesn't work when you're trying to go against Triple H
because he always wins. M m so. So even though
he says it's time to play the game, it's not
time to play the game. Trying to play the game.
And honestly, you could, you could make up your own

(01:50:39):
stinking story. I mean, it could be the tree branch
game and every every tree branch that you climb, you know,
it takes you to another dimension. I mean, you can
do it to anything and use anything. Well, look at you.
You've just tried to you, you've been trying to do it. Yeah,
and it's to Dad and it hasn't been working. Fisto

(01:51:04):
still has not given me what I want. And I'm
continually I even told uh. I even told Amy and
Nicole in the car because we ran through yellow or not. Yeah,
we ran through yellow. I wasna ran through a red light,
ran through a yellow light, and you know, and they're
like what And I told them all about it, and

(01:51:24):
then I was like and Amy thought that it was hilarious,
and I'm like, so you're gonna do it now, right,
It's like nope, I'm like, good move, Amy, But I'm
not doing it either. I know, I don't. I told him,
you were just like nope, nope, nope, nope. So apparently
I am the only one and I am not strong

(01:51:45):
enough in my belief apparently to create the god of
all traffic. But I'm trying, but it has not worked yet.
But maybe I'm doing it wrong. So I'm using our
show and that's the only thing that I'm doing. What
I need to do is create a video on YouTube
going through a yellow light, slap in the dashboard talking

(01:52:09):
about fisto and then maybe throwing like a porn scene
or something like that to show what you get and
everybody be all over that.

Speaker 4 (01:52:17):
Well you got to put that on TikTok.

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
Well that well, it's all gonna go everywhere Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:52:22):
No, I'm just saying, right, YouTube now, YouTube isn't what
it used to be.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
YouTube to me now is more.

Speaker 4 (01:52:30):
Intelligent footage, or at least the things that pop up
in my feed or things that I'm interested in that
I want to watch. TikTok is more of the And
don't hate on me for saying this, TikTok is what
YouTube used to be. So TikTok is more of the idiotic, stupid,

(01:52:51):
stunt type of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
Yes to me, I don't have TikTok. I didn't download it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:58):
There's a reason why the federal government is trying to
wrangle TikTok out of the hands of the Chinese conglomerate
that owns it. So, and if you don't understand what
I mean by that, then we're not on the same wavelength.
And I'm not going to waste any time explaining it
to you. But there's a reason why our federal government

(01:53:20):
is trying to get it out of the hands of
the of the company running it right now.

Speaker 3 (01:53:25):
Yeah, So, if you don't understand that there's a vast
Chinese conglomerate that owns TikTok, then you are on TikTok.

Speaker 4 (01:53:34):
Then you were on TikTok and you and you clicked
the accept all button that you could post your fifteen
seconds of fame of your riding your bicycle off your
garage roof into your.

Speaker 7 (01:53:49):
Swimming pool, so love and didn't read yeah, and didn't
read any of the fine print.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
You know. But and every time I see a terms
and conditions thing, I always flash back to the South
Park episode where Satan did that. But he put in
to the terms and conditions. I think it was for
Apple that you give up your soul service to Satan

(01:54:23):
and then everybody just hits accepted. And now he's got
you know, millions of millions or millions of minions, right,
because they never bothered to read it, right? Yeah? And
who does I never do?

Speaker 4 (01:54:37):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:54:40):
Although honestly, after I saw that episode of South Park,
not I I started for the next couple of times
I did skim it to see if I might be
able to see the word soul in there. Satan or
soul or hell.

Speaker 4 (01:54:58):
Made those three words show you might want to pause
and read it a little bit better.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
You know, maybe do like a fine text and any
type and soul and hit. So how many times it
comes up in your search, but exactly. But yeah, so
I gotta tell you that's a great way of doing it.
If people do. Nobody reads the terms and conditions.

Speaker 4 (01:55:22):
Nobody reads terms and conditions.

Speaker 3 (01:55:25):
So anyways, So final comments is, and I've said pretty
much throughout the entire second hour, I don't believe the
Elevi game is real. I think it was made up,
and I think the only reason it would ever work
is because you believe it so flip and much that
you make it happen.

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
But I would, I would concur with that. Do I
think it's real on its own two feet? Absolutely not.
Do I think it possibly has something to it because
of the amount of energy that has been shoved into it.
I think it's possible. I think it's no different than

(01:56:09):
CE five.

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
Just global consciousness.

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
It's just global consciousness, right, It's just you get hundreds
and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people together that
want to communicate with aliens. You get them together, you
get everybody on the same page, everybody's on the same wavelength.
You're sending the exact same message out in huge amounts
of energy being put into it. Do I think that

(01:56:35):
that is the way to go about doing something like that.
Absolutely if that type of energy legitimate focused, I believe
this one hundred percent type of energy was shoved into
something like the Elevator game or slender Man. Do I
think that it's possible that it could exist or a

(01:56:57):
con manifest. Our world's a crazy place, man. We know
that we learn new stuff, We learn new stuff about
ourselves all the time. And we talk about this too. Right,
We've only explored like five or six percent of the oceans,
and then people are freaked out when they're like a
new species is discovered, Oh my god, did.

Speaker 3 (01:57:21):
You see that?

Speaker 4 (01:57:22):
They followed this new thing in the ocean?

Speaker 8 (01:57:24):
You see people react like that, thinking like we've mapped
the whole entire ocean and somehow, miraculously this new thing
just appeared.

Speaker 3 (01:57:35):
Who could that be? Because they don't understand it.

Speaker 4 (01:57:40):
We've only seen five percent of the ocean, which means
there's ninety five percent of the ocean that we do
not understand jack shit about when some sort of new
species arrive, it's not a new species. There's been there
for thousands of years. We just happen to come across it,
that's all.

Speaker 3 (01:57:58):
So it was like with oar fish that just showed.

Speaker 4 (01:58:01):
Up in California a little while back, supposed to be
the harbinger of earthquakes. Did you see that fish?

Speaker 3 (01:58:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:58:09):
Have you ever seen the or fish? Really cool looking
deep water fish. It's like thirty feet long, swims this way,
so it's vertical. It's whole life big, like huge. It
looks like a serpent, like a giant serpent. It's bright, reflective, scaly,
big scales, these really cool fins that flutter, like these

(01:58:31):
little tentacle type of fins that flutter, and that's what
moves it. And it just slowly moves up and down
the water column and eats its whole life. Thirty forty
eight feet long. One of them just surfaced and they
only surface out of deep water when they're dying, and
one of them just surfaced out in California, and there happened,
just happened to be a group of like divers that

(01:58:51):
were in that location when this or fish came up,
and they were like, oh my god. And they're like
swimming with it, taking pictures and it's totally cool because
you know, some people have never seen one before. People
are like, oh my god, it's from outer space. This
is some sort of creature. Where did this come from?
Fish has been here longer than probably mankind has been
on the planet Earth as we know it today. It's

(01:59:16):
just that we just don't understand everything that's around us
in our world, and so when we see stuff like
that that's strange, everybody freaks out. Now they then they
want to call it the harbinger of earthquakes. So the
only time that they surface is when there's some sort
of eruption in the ttonic plates that are going to

(01:59:36):
cause a major quake. And now they're saying that there's
going to be a major quake in California because this
fish showed up. That is a urban legend in the making.

Speaker 3 (01:59:47):
Everybody needs an explanation about everything exactly, even if it
makes zero sense, like.

Speaker 4 (01:59:57):
The isshes passing away, It just happened to come up
to this. Yes, pretty much, simple close, open and closed.
Uh all right, Well that does it for this episode.

Speaker 3 (02:00:11):
Uh. We will not be back next week, I mean,
Dave won't. I don't know if I'm gonna do a
show or not. Depends on my mood, you know, if
I'm tired. Yeah, it's Labor Day. It's Labor day weekend.
So uh, whether we're back next week or not. In
two weeks, Dave and I will be back with another
brand new episode.

Speaker 4 (02:00:32):
And possibly a very special guest.

Speaker 3 (02:00:35):
Oh, I like that. You'll have to tell me because
I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (02:00:38):
Yeah, Kathy, she'll be back from her retreat from Mount Shasta. Yes, Okay,
I'm gonna talk if she wants to come on a
couple weekend, So all right. I'm very interested to see
how her her retreat went and if she experienced anything cool.

Speaker 3 (02:00:55):
I agree, I am too, Swarry. That does for Dave
and I. Uh, we'll see you next time. Stay healthy,
stay safe. We want to see you back here. Everyone.
Have a good night.

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