September 8, 2024 • 64 mins
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For the first half hour, in place of listener stories, Dave and Mike talk about why they answer listener e-mails the way they do and send out a warning for people who are seeking advice from people online.
For the second part of the show, it's Paranormal in the news! Do you know which state was rated the #1 most haunted? What is the Vatican's new take on the supernatural? It's these stories and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Back. I God, good.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Evening, paranormal community, and thank you for partaking in this
special one hour edition of The Honesty Files. I am
your host, Michael Omium with me as always is my
mister co host, mister David. Sorry, good evening, Dave, mister buddy.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
This is a scramble at the last minute show.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So I think some context is needed because as people
in the future, like a thousand years in the future,
as they listen to this episode, they're gonna wonder why
all of a sudden we're only doing an hour episode, correct,
and they need to understand, as you all do that
Dave and I have needs and sometimes when it comes
(02:12):
to after months of not having football you get to
the season opener, some sacrifices need to be made. Correct
and day more so than me, throughout the year or
throughout the season, will be gone or late for certain
(02:32):
for certain episodes.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Has been going to happen.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
And will continue to do so. But do not worry.
We are we are here and so yeah, so I
had an exceptionally busy and awful work week and then
today was very busy. Dave had a lot of football
(02:58):
to watch. Oh we we just did not have time
to prepare a full on paranormal you know, buffet for
you guys.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I did have a long work week as well, because
mine wasn't as shitty as yours. That's all.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So what we're going to do is in lieu of
stories tonight. One of the topics that I wanted to
discuss was has come up this past week or the
past like week week and a half is And I'm
noticing the difference in how you and I Dave respond
(03:41):
to people who are seeking advice and seeking help in
the way the normal, the normal citizen would. And you
know this all comes from obviously scouring the pages of
Reddit like most people do, only sticking more obviously with
the paranormal. And every morning I know you do it.
(04:04):
You get it too. I get an email with like
two or three links to paranormal type stuff that people
have I have posted. Most of the time, I don't
pay a lot of attention to it. I'm sure you
probably do far more so than I do. But when
you read the comments and the people who are responding,
(04:27):
you notice as well as I do. So we talked
about this briefly. They're almost always the same. It's either
a it's a demon B there's a mental health issue
or C they need to set up cameras.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I would say c C is probably on about eighty
plus percent of the stuff that I see, yes, which
is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
It's crazy, it is.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And when I saw that, because what really brought this
up is I got three new people on my team
who I think are are going to be amazing, and
two of them are very inexperienced and one has a
(05:24):
little experience, which I'm very thankful for. But so as
as an exercise, I grabbed a few stories off of
off of Reddit and gave it to them, you know,
along with any any extra information that I kind of
saw down the list. And that's just who right away,
(05:52):
like everybody was set up cameras.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Just I like what, h what and it And it
made me realize that, like that seems to be.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
A very very big trend right now. And it made
me think back to the couple of years that you
and I have been doing this and I don't think
once as our advice or whatever, been set up cameras,
and and I realized that there's a there's a very
specific reason for this, and we'll see if you agree
with it. Is when you when you and I do
(06:33):
these stories, we do it as for for two specific goals,
A say what we think it is and to find
a solution.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
And it seems that and this was my mistake when
I was kind of conveying this to the team as
to what I was looking for with these with in
their response is is all these people seem to want evidence?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Right, And.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
The thing about it is is evidence. It's great. Everybody
likes confirmation, but it doesn't actually solve anything unless obviously
when if you're finding you know your spouse is playing
a prank on you or something like that. Right, But
a lot of these claims just it it doesn't fit,
(07:33):
you know. I will say right to the story that
I gave the team first and involved woods and everything,
and Cameron was like, they should set up they should
set up a trail cam to see if it's an animal,
(07:56):
And okay, I get that. I'm like, but it's the woods.
Of course there's going to be animals.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well, sure, there's going to be all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So I don't And and Steve, thank you for that
comment because I trained you well, my friend, seeing seeing
isn't fixing And that's what you know, us, as paranormal investigators,
are out there to do. We're there to fix, We're
not there to Yes, confirmation is is important. It helps
(08:28):
us come to that come to that conclusion. If we're
there to do it, sometimes it's just not possible. So
I I here's my problem with it. I don't care.
People want to put up cameras, that's what we do.
My problem is that when clients do it, they don't
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know what they're looking for, they don't know what they're
looking at, and suddenly every back of dust and an
ir is the spirit walking through, you know, walking through
their house or flying through their living room. Every knock
they may hear on a wall is demon. You know,
every shadow outside is Bigfoot. And all those cameras are
(09:19):
really going to do is freak out the client or
freak out the person who is experiencing what is going on.
And that's not what we want.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
No, don't, and don't forget. One of the first rules
of investigating is you never investigate your own home. So
once you start setting up cameras intentionally trying to capture
an apparition or intentionally trying to get evidence, you're now
you're investigating your own home.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Intent.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah. Right. Then secondly, even if you do catch something,
it's gonna and be ripped apart by everybody online, so
everybody wants to see evidence. And then all of a sudden,
you catch let's just say, you do it, and you
get this amazing half body apparition that manifests and moves
(10:15):
through the bedroom or a living room or kitchen or whatever,
and then you post it. You're all excited because everybody's
telling you to post it and put up cameras, so
you do. Then you post it and they're like, oh, man,
I saw that on an app That's just crap. I
may I could have done that myself. What you know, well,
(10:35):
you're never going to please those people no matter what
you do.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
But then you have the people on the completely the
other side of the spectrum are going to be like,
oh my god, you need to get in you need
to get somebody in there to bless that house. Get
an ex person in there. You know, yeah, you know
that that's a demon. I saw that in my house
and it was a demon. Or my next door neighbor
had that on their camera. Yeah, and again, here's here's
(10:58):
my question to the club or to anybody who who
wants to to do those types of advices. What did
you solve?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Absolutely nothing made it worse.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, there's that too, because then you have to take
into account that now that you have, let's just say,
you get that that half body apparition that they just said, Now,
what are you gonna do? Now you're gonna want to
buy recorders. Now you're gonna want to buy like better,
better spectrum or better like high and uh, like a
four and K camera try to catch again. Now you're
gonna want to start, as Day said, investigating your own home.
(11:34):
And there there's an exceptionally slippery slope to doing that.
And that's why Dave and I always say that if
if there's something that is not an easy fix, you
bring in a paranormal investigation team, you bring in a medium,
somebody who knows what they're going to be doing, because
(11:55):
you don't. And that's very in part. And I know
people are like, this is my home. I'm the king
of my house. You know, nobody comes in here without Yeah,
that that doesn't that comes to the living. They're they're
not under your rules, right, and so this is no
(12:17):
time for ego, This is no time for you know,
arrogance and or any of that. And so here is
my warning because a lot of people are going to
Reddit now any anytime they have anything happening, even if
it's what did I hear last night? You know there's
(12:38):
some knocking on my walls or whatever, they go to Reddit,
which I but I'm just not a huge Reddit person.
And you have all of these people having their own advice,
and it's none of it seems to actually a point
(13:01):
out what is going on, and they just turn to
the same stuff. It's either gather evidence or blessed sage,
blah blah blah. Just my only advice for any story
going forward. And you don't have to listen to Dave
and I, I mean, we just throw it out there.
(13:24):
If you don't agree with it, that's perfectly fine. We're
just trying to do what we think is best for you.
And I know I have I have some fun with
a lot of people stories. Sometimes I'm a little harsh,
but the goal is always to say, it's to help
and it's not for you to gather evidence and then
(13:45):
not know what to do. And so some sort of
solution and stuff needs to needs to be done. That's
what paranormal investigators are for So if you're going to
take advice from anybody, please reach out to a local
paranormal team, even if you don't want to bring them
in you're just looking for answers. Any reputable team will
(14:08):
be more than happy to just take your questions. Hell
you can, you can send Dave and I the question
and we we don't need to put a year on
the air. It's just it's like, hey, I don't want
this doesn't need to be on the air. I just
asked some questions of what you think this is, and
Dave and I will discuss it, and one of us
(14:30):
probably me, ah, well, right back, what what we think
it is? Odesty fouls Radio at gmail dot com just
for any of that. But there are always going to
be people who know what they're talking about. That is
the key phrase here, that know what they're talking about,
(14:53):
that will be happy to help you if it even
if it's just answering some questions. Right, So, please do
not be I guess, Please don't take the easy route
and go to Reddit. Just reach out to a local team.
(15:16):
I know paranormal societies is probably no longer a thing anymore,
although I mean as far as I know, it hasn't
been updated in years. I'm looking up right now just
to make sure that so I can give No, it's
it's still there. I'll be damned, but yeah, you can
(15:38):
go to Paranormalsocieties dot com. It's probably majorly out of date,
but it has a humongous listening of paranormal teams. Just
go to their websites or whatever and see that they're
still an active team. You can also I recently did
this for somebody who was looking to join a team,
(16:01):
but they were they were from like the East Coast
or something like that. I don't even know how they
sell my ad for it, but obviously they're a little
far for it. Yeah, so I told them to go
to ghost stop dot com. I know that that's a
it's an equipment based website, but there is a section
(16:26):
for teams. They're done done by state. The only thing
about that is that is not like gone over again,
Like they don't reach out to teams to see if
they're still active on once they're on the list. They
just sit on the list. So again, go to their websites,
(16:49):
see if they're still an active team, if they haven't
done anything in like three years, probably not an existing
team anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, I would say twelve. I wouldn't even go back
three years. I'd say months. The only reason I'd look
to see how long they were actually a team, because
even though anybody can anybody can get a group of
people together and start a team and not know what
they're doing, and and then you know, that's also not
(17:17):
who you want to talk to. You want to talk
to somebody who has experience, who's been doing it for
a long time, you know, So make sure you look
for that too.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yes, that's a good point. I will say this. The
only reason that I said three years is you know, honesty,
Paranormal Society is still a very active team. I am
terrible and updating the website. So like the last case
that I posted was like twenty twenty three, like a
(17:51):
year ago. Years, so well that's not three years. But
I'm like, I can't say, like, oh, if there haven't
been active in the last six months, and you know
they're No, I can't because I have updated the news recently.
So I mean even on the main page it does
have you know, the date of my my newest update
(18:14):
with the news, which was like a month ago. Or
maybe now maybe a little less than that, so you
can't see that I'm still active on on on the website.
I'm just very bad at posting cases and but anyway,
so yeah, and even if it does maybe say that
they haven't been active in a while, you can still
(18:34):
probably reach out. I'm sure somebody from that team is
watching email. They may still be still be able to help.
I mean, there's a lot of reasons why teams take breaks,
so you know, health issues of like founding members.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Mental health issues.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Mental health issues. I know still to this day, the greatest,
the greatest paranormal name team I've ever come across. They
split up because they got followed home and attacked. So
but their website I believe is still up and running,
even though I don't think they've done anything in like
(19:11):
a decade, probably not. But yeah, So the whole point
of this is to kind of tell you, guys, the
difference between how Dave and I answer these and why
we answer them that way, as opposed to what you
will see when you go to online forums when everybody's
(19:32):
telling them it's either a demon they need to set
up cameras or you know, they need to it's nothing
at all. You know, it's mental health issues.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Right right, So I'm going to add this to so
the one thing to be careful of if you do
start setting up cameras and stuff like that, I think
it would be very very likely that no matter what
you hear in your home, it'll automatically be part to
this ghost. So just everyday normal stuff now is going
(20:04):
to turn into what it's probably the lady we saw
in the kitchen. Well, that was probably the lady we
saw in the kitchen. Oh, I think that was probably
the lady we saw in the kitchen, you know. And
and then so now you're going to your anxiety and
stress levels are going to go through the roof. It's
going to affect your relationship if you've got kids, God forbid,
your kids are going to be freaked out. It's going
(20:26):
to affect your sleep pattern, it's going to affect your
time at work, you know, your relationship with your significant other.
So just just don't do it, you know, just don't
do it. And there is nothing wrong with being assertive
in saying this is my house. So I differ. I know,
I don't think Mike meant it like that, but I
(20:48):
did just in case somebody is listening, right, because I
say it all the time, take back your space, And
that's not what he was referring to, was to not
take back your space. He was referring to, I think
you can't get confrontational with something that you can't touch.
So you can't really protect your space by boasting your
(21:12):
chest out and parading around the house like you could
with you know, potentially another human being in your space.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
No, that that's exactly what I was saying. Obviously, there's
a difference between Hey, these are the rules, you need
to follow them, and you know, provoking and you know, I.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Don't want to. You don't want to provoke if you're
investigating your own house, and please don't investigate your own house.
So but if you do, certainly don't provoke.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
No, And you know how many how many cases have
we seen or that you know, even.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
If we're bringing in the.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Redramatizations that you see in like a haunting and paranormal
survivor where you know, somebody got so pissed off they're like,
if you're going to attack somebody, attack me, and then
all hell breaks loose and they start getting attacks and
over and over and over over again. And nobody is safe.
And you know the thing about it is is that
(22:11):
people don't understand because it's never mentioned in any shows period.
Is you really need to watch what you say and
how you say it. And you know, you see you
see the people on TV and how how they do
things and what what you honestly don't see a lot of.
(22:32):
Every once in a while you'll see it is the
consequences that go with it, right, And so I mean,
everybody just needs to be aware that this is this
is not TV. And and I'm probably should just leave
it at that.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna I told you this about
a week ago, so I want to throw this out
there too. So for anybody who's a fan, is can
walk aroun Ranch do a Google search and Bigelow was
interviewed by I know, of course, his name Todo escapes
me that I'm going to talk about him. The guy
(23:15):
who was the reporter that was there originally, what's his name, Mike?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's not the Paul, not Paul, but no, no, no, Sean,
no oh.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
The guy the reporter that was there that reported on
the Shermans back in the day.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Was that the Charles O'Brien or something like that.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
No, I'll look it up anyway. Anyway, there's a good
interview online where mister Bigelow talks about part of the
reason why he sold the ranch was because of the
what he referred to as the hijackers that would follow
everybody home, and how he had a lot of government
(23:57):
officials would come in, a lot at high ranking members,
you know, in from the state, a lot of high
ranking officials from the FEDS, And there were people that
would come to the ranch once and would be like, yeah,
that play, I'm never coming back there, you know. And
(24:18):
they were supposed to come back because they were going
to be working on stuff, and they said, flat out,
I'm not coming back there because whatever the hell's going
on there followed me home.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
So said Zach van Eck.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
No, No, well I looked.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It up, and I said Zach was a staff writer,
he who broke the original story on Skinwalker Ranch. So
he spoke to us about how he learned of the
Shermans and I stopped reading. Oh, I'll find it because
you're not talking about Paul Beban.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
No, no, no, no, this goes way back way before
those guys. That's it's not from the show. This is
actually he's actually like been his well into his sixties.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
I think, all right, let's see here, here we go,
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Boy, you could just hear us.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
It's too funny.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
George Knapp, sorry. George Napp was one of the guys
who first broke the story and stuff, and he also
co wrote the book Hunt for the skin Walker. So
he does it. He interviews mister Bigelow, and it's a
pretty revealing interview, you know, because there's been a lot
of speculation as to why he sold the place anyway,
(25:44):
and had he if he found any evidence, and you know,
obviously he has refused to turn any of it over
or share it with with Brandon, so the uh so anyway,
So the the interview is really good, especially when he
talks about how it affected him and his wife with
(26:07):
the hitch hikers that he brought home, which I thought
was very interesting and that was part of the reason
why he sold the place.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Boy, you would think that a property where everybody right
now is like going towards UAPs and aliens, get all
of these supernatural visitors, right that that that go along
and you.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Talk about that every week it leads me back to
the whole question that Chuck Zukowski asked us, you know,
and he was like, you know, how many or would
you be surprised to know that a lot of the
ghosts and stuff that you guys or a lot of
the entities or whatever you guys think are spirits and
ghosts are really aliens or really aliens.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, So I mean is it are they ghost or
are they being tailed and brought with are they being
sent home with aliens?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Right? I don't know. I I will tell you what.
They're listening to him talk about it, he's a look
on his face. He was being dead serious. Well, I
don't doubt it when he's talking about his wife waking
up and seeing stuff in the bedroom. You know, he was,
he was concerned, and he was pretty serious about it. So,
(27:34):
I mean, it's interesting, you know, it's interesting that that's
And I wonder how if that's still ongoing because one
of his comments was one of his comments was something
to the effect of it doesn't stop just because you
stop going to the ranch. The hijackers don't stop visiting you.
(28:01):
And so I wonder, like if that's been resolved or
if that is still like the case that's still ongoing
for him and other people who have visited the ranch.
And if that's ongoing for Travis and everybody else is
there now?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
So I guess you've listened to the long, long, hours
long interview with Brandon Fugel.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, the Sean Ryanshaw. Yeah, four hour long interview.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yep, exactly. Now did he ever mentioned did he ever
mention not mentioned? Did he ever mentions like I know
that it's it's an ongoing issue, like I think it's
been brought up many times. But did he say anything
about himself or uh, you know Travis or I mean
(28:57):
Eric still lives on the ranch, right, So, I mean, so.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
He did he alluded to it. But if you know Brandon, hey,
he's very well spoken and he weighs his words before
he just throws him out there, unlike me. And uh,
and he so he alluded to it, but he did
not come right out and say I have things going
(29:24):
on in my house. Hmm. But he did discuss the
hijacker situation, and he said that it's a real phenomenon
and that there have been people that have visited the
ranch that have had those experiences that have reported back
to him that they've had experiences.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
See, now here's my question the people who have gone
out there that he's brought out of the ranch because
you told me about a rapper and it.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Was, oh boy, we are bad to night people. The
guy with the ink on his face, real popular white guy,
that Jelly Roll. There's only one other white rapper that's
got ink all over his face. Christ he's real popular singer.
(30:17):
Now it totally escapes me now that you put me
on the spot. I'm getting old my memories going so.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
But anyway, the point of it was that you had
told me that he had gone out there to investigate. Yeah,
pretty pretty much ran off the ranch and vowed never
to return.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Well, so, I mean, here's my question for anybody that
they're bringing on is how are they investigating. I mean
they're bringing there, they're bringing on celebrities, and they're bringing
on like maybe scientists, post alone, post malone. I wanted
to say, I wanted to say pak or whatever. So
I mean it was there with a P but yeah,
(30:58):
post malone. So you're bringing people who don't have experience
with the supernatural aspect of the paranormal and then like
you're surprised when they're picking up these hitchhikers. They don't
know how to conduct themselves with that aspect of the paranormal.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Like, right, well, that's why you have to sign that
thirty two page disclosure.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Mean you can go on to the ranch, yeah, the NDA.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, well no, not only the NDA. You have to
sign a thirty two page disclosure just concerning the ranch
and the potential risk of going on there, right, and
what might happen to you, including hitchhikers, an alien visitation,
and being abducted and stepping into a space time portal,
you know.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
For a place that does a show, and they're trying
to be scientific about this. Everything is data on the show,
right for somebody who's trying to do that, Every aspect
(32:16):
of what they're doing is paranormal in nature, and.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Just the whole panormal in nature.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Is well, right, I understand that. And that's my point
is they're looking for all of these answers in room A,
but everything that is going on and the answer is
that they're going to find is.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
In room B.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
And they won't even they won't even peek their head
around the corner to see if that door is open,
because everything has got to be in door room A
and because the scientists, I'm a scientists think exactly and
I'm I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I think science has a humongous part in figuring out
what is going on there and actually finding irrational like
Layman's terms, like figuring out and being able to explain
to people what is going on there. But they're not
going to find it by ignoring the fact of they
(33:16):
don't know what is going on, and they're never gonna
find it out. They're never going to find out. They're
going to have trillions of gigabytes of information and they're
not going to have a single answer.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
They already said right now that they're gonna do with
this new program, this new AI or this new system
of monitors and sensors and stuff that are being put
on the site, that they're going to have one terabyte
a day of data, and that they have to create
(33:50):
an AI program to discern exactly what they're looking at,
because there's no way in the world that a human
being could just could go through and decipher a terrible
of data a day. It just isn't going to happen.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
So and every single day the AI is going to
come back with inconclusive.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Or or not, or it might start drawing, it might
start mapping a picture of what's happening, like the wormhole theory.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
It would be hilarious if you know, they hit enter
for you know, calculate, you know, possible possible solutions or
possible answers whatever, and it's just this one word on
the thing Aliens.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
It just says, I live, that's it.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well, I mean, you told me that story about that
happened that was obviously not part of this season.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Like you's like, well, that's right, it's on the interview.
We came right out of Brandon's mouth.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it didn't happen. Obviously,
it's obviously going to happen. If it is going to
be put on the air, it's gonna be put on
the air next year, yeah, uh or next season. I
don't know how fast they do. I mean, is what
we see at the end of the summer or whatever
stuff that they're doing this year or stuff they did
(35:10):
last year.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
That's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
So, I mean, it's hard to believe that it's this
year because they talk about how before it's even like cold.
They start talking about how the weather is changing and
how it's going to get cold.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, summer, and they're talking about shutting everything down already.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Still right, So everything that we see in twenty twenty
four happened eight months prior, you know, maybe ten months prior. So,
I mean, who knows how far far more ahead they are, right,
you know, right now than we know. But yeah, anyway, Wow,
(35:50):
for just one little topic, got forty minutes.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Not bad stuff. We do not talk about stuff with experience.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That's seven years baby.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
So there is something that you told me earlier today
that I did not know about.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, yeah, A couple of things actually, well one of
them you might have guessed that I asked you, but
one of you didn't know for sure because I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I I don't give a rats ass that West Virginia
was named like the number one most haunted state. It well,
that wasn't what I was going to talk about anyway,
I know, I know, but so and I put, oh no,
I didn't. So when I was originally making the summary
(36:48):
for this this week's show, at six point fifty eight,
I accudentally clicked off of it and it disappeared. That's
why I lost my old summary. So then all I
did when I remade it was this is a one
hour episode. That was it. But so yeah, one of
(37:09):
the things that I had written in like, you know
what state is the number one most haunted state, And
the thing about it is is I don't I want
I need to see the criteria that makes West Virginia.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
There was There was criteria. So it was, yeah, off
the top of my head, it was something to the
effect of internet searches from within the state pertaining to
keywords of like hauntings, locations, equipment, stuff like that from
(37:45):
within the state. It was a sports book that did it.
Actually one of the sports betting places like Jeff's Bett
or something like that, I think it was, which I've
never heard of.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
But holy garbage on a stick.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Well, I mean, all right, let's take a look at
it since we're on this topic before we move on.
So all right, well, West Virginia, right, obviously the prison absolutely.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Amazing, trans alleg trans Alleghany right, tran Lake Shawnee.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Is that the park yepkay where everybody has had tons
of experience North Bend rail train number.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Nineteen a railcar.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
No, the train tracks that aren't there anymore of the
tunnel where everybody goes into the tunnel and it's like
it's been haunted forever.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Jesus whatever.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Let's see what else is in here. Morganstown, Harper's Ferry.
They did a whole entire show on that. No, they
did an episode on Harper's Ferry. No, Harper's Ferry. It
was in there more than one episode, thank you, because
that police chief there was constantly coming back and saying, well,
(39:08):
this is the exact same things going on here that
you guys have going on there.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, it's the ghost of Shepherdstown. Yeah and yeah. So
it was like one maybe two episodes at Harper's Ferry
in its.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Sweet Spring sanitarium.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Which I've never heard of I have. Either way, the
point I'm trying to make is that every states.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
That's a lot THATA doesn't have that much.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Well they wouldn't, they would stop tearing the places down.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Well, maybe I'm just saying we don't have that much.
Oh yeah, that's like that's like ten ten solid locations
to go visit. We have outside of places that I've
discovered on my own, like locations that you can go to.
Can't get into the Nooka County Hospital, So you can't.
(40:02):
You can't include that in the list. You'll get chased
out of You'll get chased out of Pine Island. Uh,
you know by the locals over at the cemetery of
the Native American Cemetery over there. You're thinking of great,
great Gray Cloud Cemetery.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, great Cloud.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah yeah, but Pine Islands right there, the Pigs Eye
Breweries right there, So I mean you'll get chased out
of there by the locals. So I mean they're really
you know, the place up in Duluth closed? What place
up in Duluth the sanitarium? Oh yeah, yeah, black mold issues.
(40:44):
So I mean we don't have anything.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
We have the Irvin, we have the Little Duke.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Okay, there's two.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
That's all we need.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
No, No, we need something like the prison and trans
Alleghany and lake money and.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Well technically you can do.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Shepherd's Town and Harper's Ferry.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
We have well, see the thing about it around here
is you either pay a lot of money or you
tear it down. So of course we can use the
Anoka Hospital because it's got news of being because just
because we can't get into it because it's being actually
used at the present moment, doesn't mean there's any less haunted.
(41:25):
Well true, So I mean we have the over State Hospital.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I look to say this, did you see Faux Pause
is reopening after a three year renovation?
Speaker 2 (41:35):
So did you happen to see who the owner is?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I did not. I didn't look that deep into the story.
I just read that they did a because they didn't close,
and it kind of shocked everybody because it's a it's
in an old mansion, and it's a very very nice
restaurant in this old mansion. H and they closed and
everybody was kind of shocked as to why they closed. Supposedly,
(42:01):
now the cover story is that that they did a
three year renovation, but I think COVID probably played a
big role in that too. But they're opening again this year,
I believe. If they're not ready. The reason that we
do have the hotel in Pine City, I.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Will say that Grand House, the Grand House is a.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Good location if you want to if you're in Minnesota
and you want to go someplace that has activity. There
is a lot of positive activity at the Grand House,
a lot of good a lot of good paranormal stuff
happened there when we were there, quite a lot of
good evidence.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yes, yes we did so. The reason, ah, they must
not have taken it. Tom Duffy, owner of Burnsville based
Turnkey Associates, said, the intent is to recreate the original
look of porch. Oh, never mind, that's not the right one.
(43:03):
That he just owns the company that's working. I guess
four Paus is going on it with a new porch.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Oh. I love the old school where you can sit
outside and have a drink or something.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Well, yeah, they're they're trying to to kind of bring
back They're trying to recreate the original look of the porch.
So it's kind of a not so much of a
red like a remodeling, but of a.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I can't remember the word.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Rejuvenization kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
But anyway, the reason why I'm asking who the owner
is because when we were doing the Wabashaw Street case,
which is another great place.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah, if we could ever get them on. So if
you're listening, answer the emails, because we'd like to have
you on that.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I said like a year ago. Believe me, those have
been deleted at some point, probably or sent into spam
but I do need to try to reach out again
because next March, March tenth is the ten year anniversary
of the team to see Paranormal Society, and my goal
(44:20):
is to rent out for the entire night the Wabashaw
Street Caps and do an investigation for a ten year anniversary.
So I read, no, just a long investigation, and we're
going to invite people who have been supporters of the
team throughout the years, yourself included, to come and join us.
(44:41):
And so it's kind of a it's going to be
an inclusive but like free kind of celebration to the
people who have been with us through through the long haul.
But anyway, the owner of the Wabashaw Street case faith
when we were when we were going to investigate it
last year. When we did investigated last year, I should
(45:03):
say she actually had a bid in to buy four Pause.
That was all a place she wanted to do it,
and she said that if we rented out the Webshot
Street case, which we did, we would be the number
one people on her list to come and investigate four Pause.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, that would be sweet.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
If she was obviously created the ownership. So that's why
now that it's reopening. It makes me think that they
they settled. I don't know if it's her or not.
So I'm just I'm kind of wondering because I want
to make I want to make claim that promised right right. So,
(45:47):
but that's the only reason why I bring that up.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
So I've got to And I'm not gonna say where
I'm looking at this act because what I'm going to
say isn't kind. But so this map that I'm looking
at says the most haunted place in West Virginia is
Harper's Ferry, and no, I'm sorry it's not. Also it
(46:12):
says the most haunted place in Minneapolis or in Minnesota
is First Avenue. No, and in Colorado Hotel Colorado. You're
gonna take Hotel Colorado over the Stanley, Uh No, that
(46:34):
place is the premise find Stephen King right in the shining.
There's all kinds of stories coming out of there, like
get like movie stars who were filming shows and we're
staying there and they're like, oh, I'm not afraid of that.
Put me in room two twenty one. I could take Yeah.
Two hours later they're checking out middle of the day.
(46:56):
Didn't even spend the night. Got there too. In the
afternoon at four point thirty, they're leaving the room, getting
a different room. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
So anyway, I do believe that four Pause is now
open sweek. I saw an article written on August first
of this year saying that it.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Was opening like this late summer or fall, so that's cool.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah, and it says that the restaurant is opening this week,
so it should have been open now for two to
three weeks. So anyway, here here getting to the story
in the last and last ten minutes of this one
hour episode. Yes, great timing on our part. Yes, you
(47:40):
told me quite astonishingly. Although more I thought about it,
not that surprising that the Vatican, Well, it is kind.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Of surprising because it's it's the first time since nineteen
seventy eight that they have voiced any type of opinion
whatsoever on this topic. Well, that is kind of a
big deal.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
I didn't even get to really say what I was
talking about before you interjected.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Well, this isn't your story, it's mine, so I'm putting
some Well you.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Well, then you skipped over like a very crucial piece
of information for what Well, you didn't say, who is making.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Oh the Vatican.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Yes. So the Vatican is that is, has revamped what
they're referred to as the Apparition Rules for the first
time since nineteen seventy eight. Was approved last month by
Pope Francis, and the rules officially take effect Sunday and
(48:48):
offer instructions to bishops on how to induct invest how
to conduct investigations. So I think this is a huge
thing because number one, it shows that they acknowledged the fact,
and I think that's probably why you didn't see why
(49:10):
they don't talk about it in the public view very much.
But it acknowledges the fact that they believe in the
supernatural because they're putting guidelines on it, which is I
find that to be very interesting. And the reason they
updated it is because it's, I mean, pretty simply the
(49:33):
Vatican had in nineteen seventy eight they made a ruling
which was interesting that those guidelines were kept secret until
twenty eleven. From nineteen seventy eight to twenty eleven, of
course they were, but they recently, in Pope Francis's decision,
said that the nineteen seventy eight norms are no longer
adequate to represent the Church's views, especially in the Internet. Age,
(49:58):
which I totally understand that, well, totally get it that
that's you know, that that with the fact that the
Internet is reaches everybody, and anybody can post anything they
want and it's a oh, it's just a cluster most
of the time. But but there are some good stuff
(50:19):
in there every once in a while, you just got
to dig through it.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
So here's and I was thinking about this is why
I say it's not it's not that surprising to me.
And that is because you and I both have done
a lot of research into different topics over the years,
and it seems a lot of the times what comes
(50:47):
up is like the Catholic Church changing their views to
match the times or to match what.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Is going on and try depends on the pope.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Well, see this, this is my thing, is if they're supposed,
if they're supposed to be the Word of God, the
followers of God, you know, why should any of that
change at all? I mean, they still follow the Bible
that was written thousands of years ago. But yet it
seems to me and and I'm not trying to sound
(51:28):
like I'm shitting on anybody's faith, I just I just
don't want to say that, right, right, from the start,
it seems like the Catholic Church especially almost entirely changes
what they believe based on what society believes so as
(51:51):
to keep people from leaving. So now that I.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
Would challenge that, I I think that I think that
the Vatican and the Pope especially, and obviously all the
cardinals and bishops that are there, I think that they
do their best to adapt to what society's norms are,
(52:19):
because like anything in the world, you have to be flexible,
you have to be able to adapt and and and
they're not adapting to the point where they're not saying
that God, you know, wrote that. You know that the
Bible was written by you know, the prophets of the time,
and these were stories handed down directly from God that
(52:41):
he wanted to share with mankind, and that Jesus Christ
died on the cross for our sins and that's why we're,
you know, sinless if we show love and faith to him.
They're not changing any of that. They're just simply saying
that we're going to look at this different differently because
we haven't addressed it since the late seventies. That's what
(53:07):
I think is happening here. And I don't think that
they're I think the very last people are, the very
last organization on the planet Earth that is going to
cave to societal pressures is going to be Vatican City.
They are going to be everybody else is going to
(53:28):
be towing the line, and the one percenters are going
to be the Pope and all the cardinals in Vatican City,
and they're going to be hardlined to exactly what they
believe in, and they're not going to change their views,
nor should they. It's what they believe in. They're spreading
the faith. So I mean, if I'm not even Catholic anymore, so,
(53:49):
you know, but I respect what they do. I respect
everybody's viewpoints on religion, so you know, I have mine,
everybody has their own, you know, some a lot of
people have similar viewpoints, which is why you share your religion.
But you know, I don't. I don't think that they're
caving into society by this by making this disclaim and
(54:12):
this new update.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
Well we'll definitely have to gree to disagree on that one.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
That's fine, because I mean.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
I agree with you one hundred percent that and yes,
I used one because I don't have the hang ups
that you do.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
But I like the way you snuck that in there.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
I knew you would. But they shouldn't. They have their beliefs,
they have, you know, their faith, and they shouldn't. They
absolutely shouldn't, which is why you know, this whole changing
of everything. And I'm not even talking about you know,
(54:58):
just the supernatural, like the one thing that's most recent.
But I mean, you know, you have Christians and everything,
you know, spurting all kinds of shit for the last
couple of decades, and now all of a sudden, you know,
the Vatican comes out and you're like, you know what,
that's actually not bad, Like that's not a bad thing.
(55:23):
And I think that this is just another way of
them pivoting to try and appease. Man, I did say
it wrong. I said keeping people from leaving. They're trying
to appease what I think most of society now believes.
And that's thanks to TV and that's thanks to the Internet.
(55:44):
So that's actually correct. Yeah, you know, they're no longer
able to hide behind it, you know, the secrecy or
the word not getting out, because words out, and so
now they have to try and as you said, it
just and like okay, well now people know all about this.
(56:08):
So all right, I guess that's not such a bad
thing because people don't seem afraid of it, or they don't.
They seem to believe it, so we now must too.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
I think too. You got to take it into context here.
What they're really trying to do with this new ruling
is to say what the Church will and will not
recognize as a miracle, as far as like the Virgin
Mary appearing, or you know, some other type of angel,
(56:44):
like if Saint Michael were to appear, and stuff like that.
They're trying to get a handle on people that are
lying about witnessing something. So I'll give you a perfect
example here. So millions flocked to Lords in France, for example,
or Fatimah in Portugal, where the Virgin Mary is alleged
(57:07):
to have apperied to children, promising a miracle, after which
crowds are said to have witnessed the sun zigzagging through
the sky. The visitation was officially recognized by the church
in nineteen thirty, but other reports have been found by
church officials to be boloney. In twenty sixteen, an Italian
woman began claiming regular apparitions of Jesus and Mary in
(57:28):
a small town north of Rome after she brought back
a statue from Bosnia, where the Virgin Mary is also
said to have appeared recently. Crowds prayed before the statue
and received messages, including warnings against same sex marriage and abortion.
It took eight years for the local bishop to debunk
(57:48):
the story, and the shrine is not mentioned in the
new guidelines because it's not It wasn't real, so some
you know, I think what they're trying to do here
is they're trying to say if there's a miracle that happens, right,
so if if the Virgin Mary appears, or a statue
(58:10):
of Mary starts weeping blood as tears, which that's been
reported to have happened too, then they want to make
sure that it's legitimate before it goes nuts hitting the web.
(58:31):
Whereas before it would have been word of mouth. So
like in nineteen seventy eight, it would still would have
been word of mouth or phone calls, right, people would
have been making phone calls or maybe it got to
write up in the newspaper and stuff, but it would
not have the same impact as it does today. For
a second, so it doesn't have the same impact as
(58:52):
it would today. With the way information is spread instantaneously,
it seems.
Speaker 2 (59:00):
What they've done, so I'm just kind of speed scanning,
but I keep bringing this one pair. As a rule,
the Church's authority will no longer be engaged to officially
define the supernatural nature of a phenomenon, a process that
(59:21):
can require large amounts of time to thoroughly study in events.
So just it appears that they've just taken like you
no longer need to have this because before, in order
for the Vatican to get involved or whatever, you needed
to have like paranormal paranormal team find evidence, and then
(59:42):
like the local bishop like Bishop James Long or something,
then they would have to get involved, and then they
would have to get evidence, and then he would be
able to go to the Vatican or somebody above him.
Speaker 3 (59:54):
In order would be to type of thing exactly see.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
If there would be sanctioned by the Church in order
for them to actually act. I mean, it seems now
that what they've done is they've cut that off and
now they're like, you don't need our authority, you know,
the High Mind or whatever. You don't need our authority
in order to determine whether it's supernatural or not. I mean,
(01:00:21):
it just seems that they've cut out the middleman or
the end guy. I don't know how you phrase it,
but basically it sounds like local bishops now would be
able to make those decisions on their own.
Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Yeah. Right, So the new guidelines say that as a rule,
bishops should issue a no obstacle in such cases. This
means that the incident would not be formally recognized as supernatural,
but that there would be no barrier to worship implemented
by the Vatican. And then it goes on to say
(01:00:58):
supernatural recognition by the Vatican is extremely rare. So I
think I think it's just it probably needed to be addressed.
I don't think it's a huge deal, although it is
covered by every single major outlet, so I mean, BBC,
CNN USA today, like everybody picked up on it and
(01:01:19):
is talking about it. I think it's interesting. I don't
think that it's going to change a lot as far
as how miracles.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Are viewed per se either.
Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
I think I think they're just trying to tighten up
the rein since they hadn't addressed it since nineteen seventy eight.
To be honest, well that's the verbic. Well, some of
the verbiags probably was out of date.
Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I wonder they're probably still using terms like groovy.
Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
They might have been it was nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
That would have been amazing. Some news like the Supernatural
is not groovy. But yeah, anyway, so uh, that's a
perfect way to leave it. Just say that for us.
Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Yeah, we started like seven oh five. That's perfect because
the Detroit.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
You're not missing anything so far. So but I haven't
even looked, but ay so uh. We will be back
next week, preferably with a brand new show.
Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
With the show, with an actual show. We do have
some great shows coming up. I've lined up a couple
of interviews that coming up here in the next all
between now and Halloween that are you know, they're gonna
be very entertaining and very that'd be very interesting. I'm
really looking forward to Kathy joining us and talking about
(01:02:59):
her sabbatical up in Mount Shasta. Yeah. Yeah, Plus she
lives right outside of Sedona and stuff like that. And
the more the more I talk to her, more the
more I learn about her, and the more stuff we
talk about in depth. And she's going to be a
fascinating interview and she's excited to do the full two
(01:03:21):
hours with us. She's like, David, there is no way
I'm going to be able to tell you guys what
I want to tell you and share with your listeners
what I want to share with them in sixty minutes.
I said, that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
It's perfect.
Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
We're looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
We'll say, we'll see Kathy welcome, take it away, and.
Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
It's going to be like a Chuck Szukowski interview.
Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Yeah, the next words out of our mouth are going
to be that's all the time we got.
Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Yep, thanks for coming out, and Chuck, if you're listening,
we love you, come back on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, so that does for us. Here tonight a little
short episode.
Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
See.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Uh, we'll see what do you people like more?
Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
The one hour version of us or the two to
be the two but hopefully hopefully we don't get like
five thousand downloads for the one hour show.
Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Yeah, that would be bad.
Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Good, it'd be good. Yeah, we'd have to change our friend.
Well we just changed. We just changed for a minute.
Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
But all right, so uh, everyone e herself a good night,
stay healthy, stay safe, see you next time.
Back. I God, good.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Evening, paranormal community, and thank you for partaking in this
special one hour edition of The Honesty Files. I am
your host, Michael Omium with me as always is my
mister co host, mister David. Sorry, good evening, Dave, mister buddy.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
This is a scramble at the last minute show.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
So I think some context is needed because as people
in the future, like a thousand years in the future,
as they listen to this episode, they're gonna wonder why
all of a sudden we're only doing an hour episode, correct,
and they need to understand, as you all do that
Dave and I have needs and sometimes when it comes
(02:12):
to after months of not having football you get to
the season opener, some sacrifices need to be made. Correct
and day more so than me, throughout the year or
throughout the season, will be gone or late for certain
(02:32):
for certain episodes.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Has been going to happen.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
And will continue to do so. But do not worry.
We are we are here and so yeah, so I
had an exceptionally busy and awful work week and then
today was very busy. Dave had a lot of football
(02:58):
to watch. Oh we we just did not have time
to prepare a full on paranormal you know, buffet for
you guys.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I did have a long work week as well, because
mine wasn't as shitty as yours. That's all.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So what we're going to do is in lieu of
stories tonight. One of the topics that I wanted to
discuss was has come up this past week or the
past like week week and a half is And I'm
noticing the difference in how you and I Dave respond
(03:41):
to people who are seeking advice and seeking help in
the way the normal, the normal citizen would. And you
know this all comes from obviously scouring the pages of
Reddit like most people do, only sticking more obviously with
the paranormal. And every morning I know you do it.
(04:04):
You get it too. I get an email with like
two or three links to paranormal type stuff that people
have I have posted. Most of the time, I don't
pay a lot of attention to it. I'm sure you
probably do far more so than I do. But when
you read the comments and the people who are responding,
(04:27):
you notice as well as I do. So we talked
about this briefly. They're almost always the same. It's either
a it's a demon B there's a mental health issue
or C they need to set up cameras.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I would say c C is probably on about eighty
plus percent of the stuff that I see, yes, which
is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
It's crazy, it is.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And when I saw that, because what really brought this
up is I got three new people on my team
who I think are are going to be amazing, and
two of them are very inexperienced and one has a
(05:24):
little experience, which I'm very thankful for. But so as
as an exercise, I grabbed a few stories off of
off of Reddit and gave it to them, you know,
along with any any extra information that I kind of
saw down the list. And that's just who right away,
(05:52):
like everybody was set up cameras.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Just I like what, h what and it And it
made me realize that, like that seems to be.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
A very very big trend right now. And it made
me think back to the couple of years that you
and I have been doing this and I don't think
once as our advice or whatever, been set up cameras,
and and I realized that there's a there's a very
specific reason for this, and we'll see if you agree
with it. Is when you when you and I do
(06:33):
these stories, we do it as for for two specific goals,
A say what we think it is and to find
a solution.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
And it seems that and this was my mistake when
I was kind of conveying this to the team as
to what I was looking for with these with in
their response is is all these people seem to want evidence?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Right, And.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
The thing about it is is evidence. It's great. Everybody
likes confirmation, but it doesn't actually solve anything unless obviously
when if you're finding you know your spouse is playing
a prank on you or something like that. Right, But
a lot of these claims just it it doesn't fit,
(07:33):
you know. I will say right to the story that
I gave the team first and involved woods and everything,
and Cameron was like, they should set up they should
set up a trail cam to see if it's an animal,
(07:56):
And okay, I get that. I'm like, but it's the woods.
Of course there's going to be animals.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well, sure, there's going to be all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
So I don't And and Steve, thank you for that
comment because I trained you well, my friend, seeing seeing
isn't fixing And that's what you know, us, as paranormal investigators,
are out there to do. We're there to fix, We're
not there to Yes, confirmation is is important. It helps
(08:28):
us come to that come to that conclusion. If we're
there to do it, sometimes it's just not possible. So
I I here's my problem with it. I don't care.
People want to put up cameras, that's what we do.
My problem is that when clients do it, they don't
(08:54):
know what they're looking for, they don't know what they're
looking at, and suddenly every back of dust and an
ir is the spirit walking through, you know, walking through
their house or flying through their living room. Every knock
they may hear on a wall is demon. You know,
every shadow outside is Bigfoot. And all those cameras are
(09:19):
really going to do is freak out the client or
freak out the person who is experiencing what is going on.
And that's not what we want.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
No, don't, and don't forget. One of the first rules
of investigating is you never investigate your own home. So
once you start setting up cameras intentionally trying to capture
an apparition or intentionally trying to get evidence, you're now
you're investigating your own home.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Intent.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah. Right. Then secondly, even if you do catch something,
it's gonna and be ripped apart by everybody online, so
everybody wants to see evidence. And then all of a sudden,
you catch let's just say, you do it, and you
get this amazing half body apparition that manifests and moves
(10:15):
through the bedroom or a living room or kitchen or whatever,
and then you post it. You're all excited because everybody's
telling you to post it and put up cameras, so
you do. Then you post it and they're like, oh, man,
I saw that on an app That's just crap. I
may I could have done that myself. What you know, well,
(10:35):
you're never going to please those people no matter what
you do.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
But then you have the people on the completely the
other side of the spectrum are going to be like,
oh my god, you need to get in you need
to get somebody in there to bless that house. Get
an ex person in there. You know, yeah, you know
that that's a demon. I saw that in my house
and it was a demon. Or my next door neighbor
had that on their camera. Yeah, and again, here's here's
(10:58):
my question to the club or to anybody who who
wants to to do those types of advices. What did
you solve?
Speaker 4 (11:08):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Absolutely nothing made it worse.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Well, there's that too, because then you have to take
into account that now that you have, let's just say,
you get that that half body apparition that they just said, Now,
what are you gonna do? Now you're gonna want to
buy recorders. Now you're gonna want to buy like better,
better spectrum or better like high and uh, like a
four and K camera try to catch again. Now you're
gonna want to start, as Day said, investigating your own home.
(11:34):
And there there's an exceptionally slippery slope to doing that.
And that's why Dave and I always say that if
if there's something that is not an easy fix, you
bring in a paranormal investigation team, you bring in a medium,
somebody who knows what they're going to be doing, because
(11:55):
you don't. And that's very in part. And I know
people are like, this is my home. I'm the king
of my house. You know, nobody comes in here without Yeah,
that that doesn't that comes to the living. They're they're
not under your rules, right, and so this is no
(12:17):
time for ego, This is no time for you know,
arrogance and or any of that. And so here is
my warning because a lot of people are going to
Reddit now any anytime they have anything happening, even if
it's what did I hear last night? You know there's
(12:38):
some knocking on my walls or whatever, they go to Reddit,
which I but I'm just not a huge Reddit person.
And you have all of these people having their own advice,
and it's none of it seems to actually a point
(13:01):
out what is going on, and they just turn to
the same stuff. It's either gather evidence or blessed sage,
blah blah blah. Just my only advice for any story
going forward. And you don't have to listen to Dave
and I, I mean, we just throw it out there.
(13:24):
If you don't agree with it, that's perfectly fine. We're
just trying to do what we think is best for you.
And I know I have I have some fun with
a lot of people stories. Sometimes I'm a little harsh,
but the goal is always to say, it's to help
and it's not for you to gather evidence and then
(13:45):
not know what to do. And so some sort of
solution and stuff needs to needs to be done. That's
what paranormal investigators are for So if you're going to
take advice from anybody, please reach out to a local
paranormal team, even if you don't want to bring them
in you're just looking for answers. Any reputable team will
(14:08):
be more than happy to just take your questions. Hell
you can, you can send Dave and I the question
and we we don't need to put a year on
the air. It's just it's like, hey, I don't want
this doesn't need to be on the air. I just
asked some questions of what you think this is, and
Dave and I will discuss it, and one of us
(14:30):
probably me, ah, well, right back, what what we think
it is? Odesty fouls Radio at gmail dot com just
for any of that. But there are always going to
be people who know what they're talking about. That is
the key phrase here, that know what they're talking about,
(14:53):
that will be happy to help you if it even
if it's just answering some questions. Right, So, please do
not be I guess, Please don't take the easy route
and go to Reddit. Just reach out to a local team.
(15:16):
I know paranormal societies is probably no longer a thing anymore,
although I mean as far as I know, it hasn't
been updated in years. I'm looking up right now just
to make sure that so I can give No, it's
it's still there. I'll be damned, but yeah, you can
(15:38):
go to Paranormalsocieties dot com. It's probably majorly out of date,
but it has a humongous listening of paranormal teams. Just
go to their websites or whatever and see that they're
still an active team. You can also I recently did
this for somebody who was looking to join a team,
(16:01):
but they were they were from like the East Coast
or something like that. I don't even know how they
sell my ad for it, but obviously they're a little
far for it. Yeah, so I told them to go
to ghost stop dot com. I know that that's a
it's an equipment based website, but there is a section
(16:26):
for teams. They're done done by state. The only thing
about that is that is not like gone over again,
Like they don't reach out to teams to see if
they're still active on once they're on the list. They
just sit on the list. So again, go to their websites,
(16:49):
see if they're still an active team, if they haven't
done anything in like three years, probably not an existing
team anymore.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, I would say twelve. I wouldn't even go back
three years. I'd say months. The only reason I'd look
to see how long they were actually a team, because
even though anybody can anybody can get a group of
people together and start a team and not know what
they're doing, and and then you know, that's also not
(17:17):
who you want to talk to. You want to talk
to somebody who has experience, who's been doing it for
a long time, you know, So make sure you look
for that too.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yes, that's a good point. I will say this. The
only reason that I said three years is you know, honesty,
Paranormal Society is still a very active team. I am
terrible and updating the website. So like the last case
that I posted was like twenty twenty three, like a
(17:51):
year ago. Years, so well that's not three years. But
I'm like, I can't say, like, oh, if there haven't
been active in the last six months, and you know
they're No, I can't because I have updated the news recently.
So I mean even on the main page it does
have you know, the date of my my newest update
(18:14):
with the news, which was like a month ago. Or
maybe now maybe a little less than that, so you
can't see that I'm still active on on on the website.
I'm just very bad at posting cases and but anyway,
so yeah, and even if it does maybe say that
they haven't been active in a while, you can still
(18:34):
probably reach out. I'm sure somebody from that team is
watching email. They may still be still be able to help.
I mean, there's a lot of reasons why teams take breaks,
so you know, health issues of like founding members.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Mental health issues.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Mental health issues. I know still to this day, the greatest,
the greatest paranormal name team I've ever come across. They
split up because they got followed home and attacked. So
but their website I believe is still up and running,
even though I don't think they've done anything in like
(19:11):
a decade, probably not. But yeah, So the whole point
of this is to kind of tell you, guys, the
difference between how Dave and I answer these and why
we answer them that way, as opposed to what you
will see when you go to online forums when everybody's
(19:32):
telling them it's either a demon they need to set
up cameras or you know, they need to it's nothing
at all. You know, it's mental health issues.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Right right, So I'm going to add this to so
the one thing to be careful of if you do
start setting up cameras and stuff like that, I think
it would be very very likely that no matter what
you hear in your home, it'll automatically be part to
this ghost. So just everyday normal stuff now is going
(20:04):
to turn into what it's probably the lady we saw
in the kitchen. Well, that was probably the lady we
saw in the kitchen. Oh, I think that was probably
the lady we saw in the kitchen, you know. And
and then so now you're going to your anxiety and
stress levels are going to go through the roof. It's
going to affect your relationship if you've got kids, God forbid,
your kids are going to be freaked out. It's going
(20:26):
to affect your sleep pattern, it's going to affect your
time at work, you know, your relationship with your significant other.
So just just don't do it, you know, just don't
do it. And there is nothing wrong with being assertive
in saying this is my house. So I differ. I know,
I don't think Mike meant it like that, but I
(20:48):
did just in case somebody is listening, right, because I
say it all the time, take back your space, And
that's not what he was referring to, was to not
take back your space. He was referring to, I think
you can't get confrontational with something that you can't touch.
So you can't really protect your space by boasting your
(21:12):
chest out and parading around the house like you could
with you know, potentially another human being in your space.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
No, that that's exactly what I was saying. Obviously, there's
a difference between Hey, these are the rules, you need
to follow them, and you know, provoking and you know, I.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Don't want to. You don't want to provoke if you're
investigating your own house, and please don't investigate your own house.
So but if you do, certainly don't provoke.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
No, And you know how many how many cases have
we seen or that you know, even.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
If we're bringing in the.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Redramatizations that you see in like a haunting and paranormal
survivor where you know, somebody got so pissed off they're like,
if you're going to attack somebody, attack me, and then
all hell breaks loose and they start getting attacks and
over and over and over over again. And nobody is safe.
And you know the thing about it is is that
(22:11):
people don't understand because it's never mentioned in any shows period.
Is you really need to watch what you say and
how you say it. And you know, you see you
see the people on TV and how how they do
things and what what you honestly don't see a lot of.
(22:32):
Every once in a while you'll see it is the
consequences that go with it, right, And so I mean,
everybody just needs to be aware that this is this
is not TV. And and I'm probably should just leave
it at that.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
So I'm gonna, I'm gonna I told you this about
a week ago, so I want to throw this out
there too. So for anybody who's a fan, is can
walk aroun Ranch do a Google search and Bigelow was
interviewed by I know, of course, his name Todo escapes
me that I'm going to talk about him. The guy
(23:15):
who was the reporter that was there originally, what's his name, Mike?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's not the Paul, not Paul, but no, no, no, Sean,
no oh.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
The guy the reporter that was there that reported on
the Shermans back in the day.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Was that the Charles O'Brien or something like that.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
No, I'll look it up anyway. Anyway, there's a good
interview online where mister Bigelow talks about part of the
reason why he sold the ranch was because of the
what he referred to as the hijackers that would follow
everybody home, and how he had a lot of government
(23:57):
officials would come in, a lot at high ranking members,
you know, in from the state, a lot of high
ranking officials from the FEDS, And there were people that
would come to the ranch once and would be like, yeah,
that play, I'm never coming back there, you know. And
(24:18):
they were supposed to come back because they were going
to be working on stuff, and they said, flat out,
I'm not coming back there because whatever the hell's going
on there followed me home.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
So said Zach van Eck.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
No, No, well I looked.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
It up, and I said Zach was a staff writer,
he who broke the original story on Skinwalker Ranch. So
he spoke to us about how he learned of the
Shermans and I stopped reading. Oh, I'll find it because
you're not talking about Paul Beban.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
No, no, no, no, this goes way back way before
those guys. That's it's not from the show. This is
actually he's actually like been his well into his sixties.
Speaker 6 (24:59):
I think, all right, let's see here, here we go,
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Boy, you could just hear us.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
It's too funny.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
George Knapp, sorry. George Napp was one of the guys
who first broke the story and stuff, and he also
co wrote the book Hunt for the skin Walker. So
he does it. He interviews mister Bigelow, and it's a
pretty revealing interview, you know, because there's been a lot
of speculation as to why he sold the place anyway,
(25:44):
and had he if he found any evidence, and you know,
obviously he has refused to turn any of it over
or share it with with Brandon, so the uh so anyway,
So the the interview is really good, especially when he
talks about how it affected him and his wife with
(26:07):
the hitch hikers that he brought home, which I thought
was very interesting and that was part of the reason
why he sold the place.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Boy, you would think that a property where everybody right
now is like going towards UAPs and aliens, get all
of these supernatural visitors, right that that that go along
and you.
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Talk about that every week it leads me back to
the whole question that Chuck Zukowski asked us, you know,
and he was like, you know, how many or would
you be surprised to know that a lot of the
ghosts and stuff that you guys or a lot of
the entities or whatever you guys think are spirits and
ghosts are really aliens or really aliens.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, So I mean is it are they ghost or
are they being tailed and brought with are they being
sent home with aliens?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Right? I don't know. I I will tell you what.
They're listening to him talk about it, he's a look
on his face. He was being dead serious. Well, I
don't doubt it when he's talking about his wife waking
up and seeing stuff in the bedroom. You know, he was,
he was concerned, and he was pretty serious about it. So,
(27:34):
I mean, it's interesting, you know, it's interesting that that's
And I wonder how if that's still ongoing because one
of his comments was one of his comments was something
to the effect of it doesn't stop just because you
stop going to the ranch. The hijackers don't stop visiting you.
(28:01):
And so I wonder, like if that's been resolved or
if that is still like the case that's still ongoing
for him and other people who have visited the ranch.
And if that's ongoing for Travis and everybody else is
there now?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
So I guess you've listened to the long, long, hours
long interview with Brandon Fugel.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yeah, the Sean Ryanshaw. Yeah, four hour long interview.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Yep, exactly. Now did he ever mentioned did he ever
mention not mentioned? Did he ever mentions like I know
that it's it's an ongoing issue, like I think it's
been brought up many times. But did he say anything
about himself or uh, you know Travis or I mean
(28:57):
Eric still lives on the ranch, right, So, I mean, so.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
He did he alluded to it. But if you know Brandon, hey,
he's very well spoken and he weighs his words before
he just throws him out there, unlike me. And uh,
and he so he alluded to it, but he did
not come right out and say I have things going
(29:24):
on in my house. Hmm. But he did discuss the
hijacker situation, and he said that it's a real phenomenon
and that there have been people that have visited the
ranch that have had those experiences that have reported back
to him that they've had experiences.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
See, now here's my question the people who have gone
out there that he's brought out of the ranch because
you told me about a rapper and it.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
Was, oh boy, we are bad to night people. The
guy with the ink on his face, real popular white guy,
that Jelly Roll. There's only one other white rapper that's
got ink all over his face. Christ he's real popular singer.
(30:17):
Now it totally escapes me now that you put me
on the spot. I'm getting old my memories going so.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
But anyway, the point of it was that you had
told me that he had gone out there to investigate. Yeah,
pretty pretty much ran off the ranch and vowed never
to return.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Well, so, I mean, here's my question for anybody that
they're bringing on is how are they investigating. I mean
they're bringing there, they're bringing on celebrities, and they're bringing
on like maybe scientists, post alone, post malone. I wanted
to say, I wanted to say pak or whatever. So
I mean it was there with a P but yeah,
(30:58):
post malone. So you're bringing people who don't have experience
with the supernatural aspect of the paranormal and then like
you're surprised when they're picking up these hitchhikers. They don't
know how to conduct themselves with that aspect of the paranormal.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Like, right, well, that's why you have to sign that
thirty two page disclosure.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Mean you can go on to the ranch, yeah, the NDA.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Yeah, well no, not only the NDA. You have to
sign a thirty two page disclosure just concerning the ranch
and the potential risk of going on there, right, and
what might happen to you, including hitchhikers, an alien visitation,
and being abducted and stepping into a space time portal,
you know.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
For a place that does a show, and they're trying
to be scientific about this. Everything is data on the show,
right for somebody who's trying to do that, Every aspect
(32:16):
of what they're doing is paranormal in nature, and.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Just the whole panormal in nature.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Is well, right, I understand that. And that's my point
is they're looking for all of these answers in room A,
but everything that is going on and the answer is
that they're going to find is.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
In room B.
Speaker 8 (32:37):
And they won't even they won't even peek their head
around the corner to see if that door is open,
because everything has got to be in door room A
and because the scientists, I'm a scientists think exactly and
I'm I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I think science has a humongous part in figuring out
what is going on there and actually finding irrational like
Layman's terms, like figuring out and being able to explain
to people what is going on there. But they're not
going to find it by ignoring the fact of they
(33:16):
don't know what is going on, and they're never gonna
find it out. They're never going to find out. They're
going to have trillions of gigabytes of information and they're
not going to have a single answer.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
They already said right now that they're gonna do with
this new program, this new AI or this new system
of monitors and sensors and stuff that are being put
on the site, that they're going to have one terabyte
a day of data, and that they have to create
(33:50):
an AI program to discern exactly what they're looking at,
because there's no way in the world that a human
being could just could go through and decipher a terrible
of data a day. It just isn't going to happen.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
So and every single day the AI is going to
come back with inconclusive.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Or or not, or it might start drawing, it might
start mapping a picture of what's happening, like the wormhole theory.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
It would be hilarious if you know, they hit enter
for you know, calculate, you know, possible possible solutions or
possible answers whatever, and it's just this one word on
the thing Aliens.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
It just says, I live, that's it.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Well, I mean, you told me that story about that
happened that was obviously not part of this season.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Like you's like, well, that's right, it's on the interview.
We came right out of Brandon's mouth.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it didn't happen. Obviously,
it's obviously going to happen. If it is going to
be put on the air, it's gonna be put on
the air next year, yeah, uh or next season. I
don't know how fast they do. I mean, is what
we see at the end of the summer or whatever
stuff that they're doing this year or stuff they did
(35:10):
last year.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
That's a good question. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
So, I mean, it's hard to believe that it's this
year because they talk about how before it's even like cold.
They start talking about how the weather is changing and
how it's going to get cold.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Yeah, summer, and they're talking about shutting everything down already.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Still right, So everything that we see in twenty twenty
four happened eight months prior, you know, maybe ten months prior. So,
I mean, who knows how far far more ahead they are, right,
you know, right now than we know. But yeah, anyway, Wow,
(35:50):
for just one little topic, got forty minutes.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Not bad stuff. We do not talk about stuff with experience.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
That's seven years baby.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
So there is something that you told me earlier today
that I did not know about.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, yeah, A couple of things actually, well one of
them you might have guessed that I asked you, but
one of you didn't know for sure because I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
I I don't give a rats ass that West Virginia
was named like the number one most haunted state. It well,
that wasn't what I was going to talk about anyway,
I know, I know, but so and I put, oh no,
I didn't. So when I was originally making the summary
(36:48):
for this this week's show, at six point fifty eight,
I accudentally clicked off of it and it disappeared. That's
why I lost my old summary. So then all I
did when I remade it was this is a one
hour episode. That was it. But so yeah, one of
(37:09):
the things that I had written in like, you know
what state is the number one most haunted state, And
the thing about it is is I don't I want
I need to see the criteria that makes West Virginia.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
There was There was criteria. So it was, yeah, off
the top of my head, it was something to the
effect of internet searches from within the state pertaining to
keywords of like hauntings, locations, equipment, stuff like that from
(37:45):
within the state. It was a sports book that did it.
Actually one of the sports betting places like Jeff's Bett
or something like that, I think it was, which I've
never heard of.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
But holy garbage on a stick.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Well, I mean, all right, let's take a look at
it since we're on this topic before we move on.
So all right, well, West Virginia, right, obviously the prison absolutely.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Amazing, trans alleg trans Alleghany right, tran Lake Shawnee.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
Is that the park yepkay where everybody has had tons
of experience North Bend rail train number.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Nineteen a railcar.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
No, the train tracks that aren't there anymore of the
tunnel where everybody goes into the tunnel and it's like
it's been haunted forever.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Jesus whatever.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Let's see what else is in here. Morganstown, Harper's Ferry.
They did a whole entire show on that. No, they
did an episode on Harper's Ferry. No, Harper's Ferry. It
was in there more than one episode, thank you, because
that police chief there was constantly coming back and saying, well,
(39:08):
this is the exact same things going on here that
you guys have going on there.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, it's the ghost of Shepherdstown. Yeah and yeah. So
it was like one maybe two episodes at Harper's Ferry
in its.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
Sweet Spring sanitarium.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
Which I've never heard of I have. Either way, the
point I'm trying to make is that every states.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
That's a lot THATA doesn't have that much.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Well they wouldn't, they would stop tearing the places down.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
Well, maybe I'm just saying we don't have that much.
Oh yeah, that's like that's like ten ten solid locations
to go visit. We have outside of places that I've
discovered on my own, like locations that you can go to.
Can't get into the Nooka County Hospital, So you can't.
(40:02):
You can't include that in the list. You'll get chased
out of You'll get chased out of Pine Island. Uh,
you know by the locals over at the cemetery of
the Native American Cemetery over there. You're thinking of great,
great Gray Cloud Cemetery.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, great Cloud.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
Yeah yeah, but Pine Islands right there, the Pigs Eye
Breweries right there, So I mean you'll get chased out
of there by the locals. So I mean they're really
you know, the place up in Duluth closed? What place
up in Duluth the sanitarium? Oh yeah, yeah, black mold issues.
(40:44):
So I mean we don't have anything.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
We have the Irvin, we have the Little Duke.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
Okay, there's two.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
That's all we need.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
No, No, we need something like the prison and trans
Alleghany and lake money and.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Well technically you can do.
Speaker 3 (41:01):
Shepherd's Town and Harper's Ferry.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
We have well, see the thing about it around here
is you either pay a lot of money or you
tear it down. So of course we can use the
Anoka Hospital because it's got news of being because just
because we can't get into it because it's being actually
used at the present moment, doesn't mean there's any less haunted.
(41:25):
Well true, So I mean we have the over State Hospital.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
I look to say this, did you see Faux Pause
is reopening after a three year renovation?
Speaker 2 (41:35):
So did you happen to see who the owner is?
Speaker 3 (41:40):
I did not. I didn't look that deep into the story.
I just read that they did a because they didn't close,
and it kind of shocked everybody because it's a it's
in an old mansion, and it's a very very nice
restaurant in this old mansion. H and they closed and
everybody was kind of shocked as to why they closed. Supposedly,
(42:01):
now the cover story is that that they did a
three year renovation, but I think COVID probably played a
big role in that too. But they're opening again this year,
I believe. If they're not ready. The reason that we
do have the hotel in Pine City, I.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Will say that Grand House, the Grand House is a.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
Good location if you want to if you're in Minnesota
and you want to go someplace that has activity. There
is a lot of positive activity at the Grand House,
a lot of good a lot of good paranormal stuff
happened there when we were there, quite a lot of
good evidence.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yes, yes we did so. The reason, ah, they must
not have taken it. Tom Duffy, owner of Burnsville based
Turnkey Associates, said, the intent is to recreate the original
look of porch. Oh, never mind, that's not the right one.
(43:03):
That he just owns the company that's working. I guess
four Paus is going on it with a new porch.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Oh. I love the old school where you can sit
outside and have a drink or something.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Well, yeah, they're they're trying to to kind of bring
back They're trying to recreate the original look of the porch.
So it's kind of a not so much of a
red like a remodeling, but of a.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I can't remember the word.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Rejuvenization kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
But anyway, the reason why I'm asking who the owner
is because when we were doing the Wabashaw Street case,
which is another great place.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah, if we could ever get them on. So if
you're listening, answer the emails, because we'd like to have
you on that.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
I said like a year ago. Believe me, those have
been deleted at some point, probably or sent into spam
but I do need to try to reach out again
because next March, March tenth is the ten year anniversary
of the team to see Paranormal Society, and my goal
(44:20):
is to rent out for the entire night the Wabashaw
Street Caps and do an investigation for a ten year anniversary.
So I read, no, just a long investigation, and we're
going to invite people who have been supporters of the
team throughout the years, yourself included, to come and join us.
(44:41):
And so it's kind of a it's going to be
an inclusive but like free kind of celebration to the
people who have been with us through through the long haul.
But anyway, the owner of the Wabashaw Street case faith
when we were when we were going to investigate it
last year. When we did investigated last year, I should
(45:03):
say she actually had a bid in to buy four Pause.
That was all a place she wanted to do it,
and she said that if we rented out the Webshot
Street case, which we did, we would be the number
one people on her list to come and investigate four Pause.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Yeah, that would be sweet.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
If she was obviously created the ownership. So that's why
now that it's reopening. It makes me think that they
they settled. I don't know if it's her or not.
So I'm just I'm kind of wondering because I want
to make I want to make claim that promised right right. So,
(45:47):
but that's the only reason why I bring that up.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
So I've got to And I'm not gonna say where
I'm looking at this act because what I'm going to
say isn't kind. But so this map that I'm looking
at says the most haunted place in West Virginia is
Harper's Ferry, and no, I'm sorry it's not. Also it
(46:12):
says the most haunted place in Minneapolis or in Minnesota
is First Avenue. No, and in Colorado Hotel Colorado. You're
gonna take Hotel Colorado over the Stanley, Uh No, that
(46:34):
place is the premise find Stephen King right in the shining.
There's all kinds of stories coming out of there, like
get like movie stars who were filming shows and we're
staying there and they're like, oh, I'm not afraid of that.
Put me in room two twenty one. I could take Yeah.
Two hours later they're checking out middle of the day.
(46:56):
Didn't even spend the night. Got there too. In the
afternoon at four point thirty, they're leaving the room, getting
a different room. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
So anyway, I do believe that four Pause is now
open sweek. I saw an article written on August first
of this year saying that it.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Was opening like this late summer or fall, so that's cool.
Speaker 2 (47:19):
Yeah, and it says that the restaurant is opening this week,
so it should have been open now for two to
three weeks. So anyway, here here getting to the story
in the last and last ten minutes of this one
hour episode. Yes, great timing on our part. Yes, you
(47:40):
told me quite astonishingly. Although more I thought about it,
not that surprising that the Vatican, Well, it is kind.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Of surprising because it's it's the first time since nineteen
seventy eight that they have voiced any type of opinion
whatsoever on this topic. Well, that is kind of a
big deal.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
I didn't even get to really say what I was
talking about before you interjected.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
Well, this isn't your story, it's mine, so I'm putting
some Well you.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
Well, then you skipped over like a very crucial piece
of information for what Well, you didn't say, who is making.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
Oh the Vatican.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
There we go.
Speaker 3 (48:26):
Yes. So the Vatican is that is, has revamped what
they're referred to as the Apparition Rules for the first
time since nineteen seventy eight. Was approved last month by
Pope Francis, and the rules officially take effect Sunday and
(48:48):
offer instructions to bishops on how to induct invest how
to conduct investigations. So I think this is a huge
thing because number one, it shows that they acknowledged the fact,
and I think that's probably why you didn't see why
(49:10):
they don't talk about it in the public view very much.
But it acknowledges the fact that they believe in the
supernatural because they're putting guidelines on it, which is I
find that to be very interesting. And the reason they
updated it is because it's, I mean, pretty simply the
(49:33):
Vatican had in nineteen seventy eight they made a ruling
which was interesting that those guidelines were kept secret until
twenty eleven. From nineteen seventy eight to twenty eleven, of
course they were, but they recently, in Pope Francis's decision,
said that the nineteen seventy eight norms are no longer
adequate to represent the Church's views, especially in the Internet. Age,
(49:58):
which I totally understand that, well, totally get it that
that's you know, that that with the fact that the
Internet is reaches everybody, and anybody can post anything they
want and it's a oh, it's just a cluster most
of the time. But but there are some good stuff
(50:19):
in there every once in a while, you just got
to dig through it.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
So here's and I was thinking about this is why
I say it's not it's not that surprising to me.
And that is because you and I both have done
a lot of research into different topics over the years,
and it seems a lot of the times what comes
(50:47):
up is like the Catholic Church changing their views to
match the times or to match what.
Speaker 3 (50:58):
Is going on and try depends on the pope.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Well, see this, this is my thing, is if they're supposed,
if they're supposed to be the Word of God, the
followers of God, you know, why should any of that
change at all? I mean, they still follow the Bible
that was written thousands of years ago. But yet it
seems to me and and I'm not trying to sound
(51:28):
like I'm shitting on anybody's faith, I just I just
don't want to say that, right, right, from the start,
it seems like the Catholic Church especially almost entirely changes
what they believe based on what society believes so as
(51:51):
to keep people from leaving. So now that I.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
Would challenge that, I I think that I think that
the Vatican and the Pope especially, and obviously all the
cardinals and bishops that are there, I think that they
do their best to adapt to what society's norms are,
(52:19):
because like anything in the world, you have to be flexible,
you have to be able to adapt and and and
they're not adapting to the point where they're not saying
that God, you know, wrote that. You know that the
Bible was written by you know, the prophets of the time,
and these were stories handed down directly from God that
(52:41):
he wanted to share with mankind, and that Jesus Christ
died on the cross for our sins and that's why we're,
you know, sinless if we show love and faith to him.
They're not changing any of that. They're just simply saying
that we're going to look at this different differently because
we haven't addressed it since the late seventies. That's what
(53:07):
I think is happening here. And I don't think that
they're I think the very last people are, the very
last organization on the planet Earth that is going to
cave to societal pressures is going to be Vatican City.
They are going to be everybody else is going to
(53:28):
be towing the line, and the one percenters are going
to be the Pope and all the cardinals in Vatican City,
and they're going to be hardlined to exactly what they
believe in, and they're not going to change their views,
nor should they. It's what they believe in. They're spreading
the faith. So I mean, if I'm not even Catholic anymore, so,
(53:49):
you know, but I respect what they do. I respect
everybody's viewpoints on religion, so you know, I have mine,
everybody has their own, you know, some a lot of
people have similar viewpoints, which is why you share your religion.
But you know, I don't. I don't think that they're
caving into society by this by making this disclaim and
(54:12):
this new update.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
Well we'll definitely have to gree to disagree on that one.
Speaker 3 (54:18):
That's fine, because I mean.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
I agree with you one hundred percent that and yes,
I used one because I don't have the hang ups
that you do.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
But I like the way you snuck that in there.
Speaker 2 (54:36):
I knew you would. But they shouldn't. They have their beliefs,
they have, you know, their faith, and they shouldn't. They
absolutely shouldn't, which is why you know, this whole changing
of everything. And I'm not even talking about you know,
(54:58):
just the supernatural, like the one thing that's most recent.
But I mean, you know, you have Christians and everything,
you know, spurting all kinds of shit for the last
couple of decades, and now all of a sudden, you know,
the Vatican comes out and you're like, you know what,
that's actually not bad, Like that's not a bad thing.
(55:23):
And I think that this is just another way of
them pivoting to try and appease. Man, I did say
it wrong. I said keeping people from leaving. They're trying
to appease what I think most of society now believes.
And that's thanks to TV and that's thanks to the Internet.
(55:44):
So that's actually correct. Yeah, you know, they're no longer
able to hide behind it, you know, the secrecy or
the word not getting out, because words out, and so
now they have to try and as you said, it
just and like okay, well now people know all about this.
(56:08):
So all right, I guess that's not such a bad
thing because people don't seem afraid of it, or they don't.
They seem to believe it, so we now must too.
Speaker 3 (56:19):
I think too. You got to take it into context here.
What they're really trying to do with this new ruling
is to say what the Church will and will not
recognize as a miracle, as far as like the Virgin
Mary appearing, or you know, some other type of angel,
(56:44):
like if Saint Michael were to appear, and stuff like that.
They're trying to get a handle on people that are
lying about witnessing something. So I'll give you a perfect
example here. So millions flocked to Lords in France, for example,
or Fatimah in Portugal, where the Virgin Mary is alleged
(57:07):
to have apperied to children, promising a miracle, after which
crowds are said to have witnessed the sun zigzagging through
the sky. The visitation was officially recognized by the church
in nineteen thirty, but other reports have been found by
church officials to be boloney. In twenty sixteen, an Italian
woman began claiming regular apparitions of Jesus and Mary in
(57:28):
a small town north of Rome after she brought back
a statue from Bosnia, where the Virgin Mary is also
said to have appeared recently. Crowds prayed before the statue
and received messages, including warnings against same sex marriage and abortion.
It took eight years for the local bishop to debunk
(57:48):
the story, and the shrine is not mentioned in the
new guidelines because it's not It wasn't real, so some
you know, I think what they're trying to do here
is they're trying to say if there's a miracle that happens, right,
so if if the Virgin Mary appears, or a statue
(58:10):
of Mary starts weeping blood as tears, which that's been
reported to have happened too, then they want to make
sure that it's legitimate before it goes nuts hitting the web.
(58:31):
Whereas before it would have been word of mouth. So
like in nineteen seventy eight, it would still would have
been word of mouth or phone calls, right, people would
have been making phone calls or maybe it got to
write up in the newspaper and stuff, but it would
not have the same impact as it does today. For
a second, so it doesn't have the same impact as
(58:52):
it would today. With the way information is spread instantaneously,
it seems.
Speaker 2 (59:00):
What they've done, so I'm just kind of speed scanning,
but I keep bringing this one pair. As a rule,
the Church's authority will no longer be engaged to officially
define the supernatural nature of a phenomenon, a process that
(59:21):
can require large amounts of time to thoroughly study in events.
So just it appears that they've just taken like you
no longer need to have this because before, in order
for the Vatican to get involved or whatever, you needed
to have like paranormal paranormal team find evidence, and then
(59:42):
like the local bishop like Bishop James Long or something,
then they would have to get involved, and then they
would have to get evidence, and then he would be
able to go to the Vatican or somebody above him.
Speaker 3 (59:54):
In order would be to type of thing exactly see.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
If there would be sanctioned by the Church in order
for them to actually act. I mean, it seems now
that what they've done is they've cut that off and
now they're like, you don't need our authority, you know,
the High Mind or whatever. You don't need our authority
in order to determine whether it's supernatural or not. I mean,
(01:00:21):
it just seems that they've cut out the middleman or
the end guy. I don't know how you phrase it,
but basically it sounds like local bishops now would be
able to make those decisions on their own.
Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Yeah. Right, So the new guidelines say that as a rule,
bishops should issue a no obstacle in such cases. This
means that the incident would not be formally recognized as supernatural,
but that there would be no barrier to worship implemented
by the Vatican. And then it goes on to say
(01:00:58):
supernatural recognition by the Vatican is extremely rare. So I
think I think it's just it probably needed to be addressed.
I don't think it's a huge deal, although it is
covered by every single major outlet, so I mean, BBC,
CNN USA today, like everybody picked up on it and
(01:01:19):
is talking about it. I think it's interesting. I don't
think that it's going to change a lot as far
as how miracles.
Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
Are viewed per se either.
Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
I think I think they're just trying to tighten up
the rein since they hadn't addressed it since nineteen seventy eight.
To be honest, well that's the verbic. Well, some of
the verbiags probably was out of date.
Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
I wonder they're probably still using terms like groovy.
Speaker 3 (01:01:56):
They might have been it was nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
That would have been amazing. Some news like the Supernatural
is not groovy. But yeah, anyway, so uh, that's a
perfect way to leave it. Just say that for us.
Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Yeah, we started like seven oh five. That's perfect because
the Detroit.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
You're not missing anything so far. So but I haven't
even looked, but ay so uh. We will be back
next week, preferably with a brand new show.
Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
With the show, with an actual show. We do have
some great shows coming up. I've lined up a couple
of interviews that coming up here in the next all
between now and Halloween that are you know, they're gonna
be very entertaining and very that'd be very interesting. I'm
really looking forward to Kathy joining us and talking about
(01:02:59):
her sabbatical up in Mount Shasta. Yeah. Yeah, Plus she
lives right outside of Sedona and stuff like that. And
the more the more I talk to her, more the
more I learn about her, and the more stuff we
talk about in depth. And she's going to be a
fascinating interview and she's excited to do the full two
(01:03:21):
hours with us. She's like, David, there is no way
I'm going to be able to tell you guys what
I want to tell you and share with your listeners
what I want to share with them in sixty minutes.
I said, that's perfect.
Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
It's perfect.
Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
We're looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
We'll say, we'll see Kathy welcome, take it away, and.
Speaker 3 (01:03:40):
It's going to be like a Chuck Szukowski interview.
Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Yeah, the next words out of our mouth are going
to be that's all the time we got.
Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
Yep, thanks for coming out, and Chuck, if you're listening,
we love you, come back on the show.
Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yeah, so that does for us. Here tonight a little
short episode.
Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
See.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Uh, we'll see what do you people like more?
Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
The one hour version of us or the two to
be the two but hopefully hopefully we don't get like
five thousand downloads for the one hour show.
Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Yeah, that would be bad.
Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Good, it'd be good. Yeah, we'd have to change our friend.
Well we just changed. We just changed for a minute.
Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
But all right, so uh, everyone e herself a good night,
stay healthy, stay safe, see you next time.
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