Episode 314 - Mass Hysteria! - The Odyssey Files Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bid Good Evening, Paranormal Community, and thank you for once

(01:25):
again partaking in this amazing episode of the Otisse Fouls.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
I'm your host, Michael O'Neal with me fastly late is
my co host, mister David Sorrey. Good Evening, Dave.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Good Evening, Mike Good Evening, Paranormal Universe. Don't listen to him.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
I'm only telling the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
He doesn't know what he's talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah, I have a clock and everything that tells me
what time the show is supposed to start. But that's
okay because anybody who downloads this and listen to it
later doesn't give a rat's ass what time we start,
because it's just the show.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
But let it be known people for the history books,
mister Sawyer was late.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I was sixty seconds tardy, you know, not too interrupt.
But I need you to send me the stories. I
can't open them for some reason.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
You gotta be kiddy me. Huh huh, hold on, I
need to. I need to pale myself here. There we go,
but much paler than I was a moment ago, thanks
to my life. Okay, well let's see here. I don't
I guess since you even though you're the one that

(02:52):
sent them to me. And now you and.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Myself go off my laptop and for some reason, my
computers not let me open them.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Do I just need to copy paste or just forward
or try forward? Try forward? All right, let's see here,
see what happens. See, I mean, if only we had
like five ten minutes before the show to the show.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Started, we wouldn't have incidences like this, Mike, I know,
if only, if only.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
All right, let's see we got here.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
We had a really big show. It's really big for.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
All the old fans out there, the old fans. Yeah,
our fans are the youngest true. All right, see if
that works, See if you can open open up our stories. Uh,

(03:57):
I guess while you're doing that, I am going to
sharing a couple of things here that was going to
one of them I was going to anyway, And that
is the We are about a week or so. It
should be done the end of this week. But our

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new Odyssey Files radio website is in the process of
being constructed and will feature a lot of different things
that we're trying out here. So hopefully everything will work.
But one of the things is our show will be

(04:41):
live on that on the website as well if you
don't if you don't like Facebook or whatnot, or you
don't like YouTube. Who doesn't like YouTube? But I mean,
for whatever reason you only want to go to the
website and see the show, you are going to be

(05:03):
able to do that as well as our YouTube and
our Facebook page like you always do anyway. Second thing
that will be obviously all of our episodes from one
to three hundred and fourteen will be available at that
one location, and all of our episodes afterwards will be

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available for download and probably live streaming. But I think
most people are pretty much going to download. We'll still
be able to get all of our shows. Should be
able to get all of our shows off of off
of your streaming platforms. Are we able to open it?
I'll be back, Oh for the wow. Dude, so unprepared,

(05:54):
so unprepared, I guess we see who the professional is
here tonight. People. Let it be known I was ready
and prepared. So yeah, all of that we are going
to try. And I don't know how well this is
gonna work. I mean, honestly, that depends upon all of

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you guys. And that is we got the idea off
of our interview with Jim and he has people kind
of record themselves or write the story and then he
has them on to to actually tell their stories live

(06:44):
on the air. And whereas I don't know if we're
going to be able to do the whole lot like
you come on live, but we're going to try and
do something like maybe you're able to record yourself telling
a story or something like that. But there'll be a
new type of like share your story with a with

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with the guys. Hello, Carol, good evening. So yeah, there
we go. But anyway, all kinds of stuff. So if
you guys have any I'll just put this out there.
If you guys have any suggestions, you know, something that
maybe that you're you feel would help in uh, I

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don't know, making making the website much better or something
like a what am I looking for here? I don't
even know. Something on the site that just makes it cool,
I guess, and helps you enjoy it more. Welcome back,

(07:54):
missus Sorrey. Thanks good to be back. Yeah, sure it is,
if only you didn't have to go in the first place.
I do want to put out here that I'm enjoying
a nice high sea aqua lava burst. Uh h juice box.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Juice box nice yep uh.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Every once in a while like to preach myself to
a I see to an orange lava burst. But you
only get them like the little juice box there, jux
juice juice boxes.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
I was gonna say, do you you start you crack
the seal on them and they start singing and dancing
or what.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
No, that's me.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
That must be the Glee version and.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
And only they just put like a little Glee like
this thing will singing, make you sing and dance. I'd
be all over it. But the only other way to
get a orange lava Burst is McDonalds. And I didn't
feel like a big Mac. So there you go.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
But they're only sixty one cents too Big Max. Yeah
for the Vikings win they're doing a rollback. They're sixty
one cents for Big Max.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Well what never mind, I don't care. I don't need
a big Mac, especially since I've had a thing of
ribs in the in the refrigerator all week. So I'm
gonna have that after the show.

Speaker 3 (09:28):
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Anyways, are we.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Okay? Well, then I'm gonna skip my second thing, which
I was just gonna relay people. The amazing investigation I
had last night at the l Duke Mansion, very very awesome.
But in fact, one of these times when you can't
make it, Dave, which I'm sure will be in the
next week or two.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Within a couple of weeks, I think, Yeah, your commitment
is amazing and admirable.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
My friend, I.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Tell you it is pretty amazing. I amazed myself in
my commitment.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
I'll uh, I will probably do uh, bring on some
of the team, uh, you know, kind of introduce some
of the new memberies. Then we'll do like a like
just a Leduke Mansion evidence review because there's so much
stuff that we've gotten there and and day for the
first time.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
It was one of the only clear responses that we
got last night during the spirit Box, which you know,
I don't particularly enjoy doing. But you know, obviously you start,
you know, your sessions with that by being like, you know, hey,
you know William, our interview here with us, blah blah blah,
clear as day, very like gruff type male voice goes

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we're here, and as like, well, I appreciate you doing so. Yeah,
maybe you could smile a little bit, but I guess
the Civil War general probably doesn't do it that very much. Yeah,
probably not anyways. Alrighty well, now that Dave has gotten

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his shit together, well.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
We didn't say that. Let's not go too far ahead
of ourselves. I'm just back with the show, just just
saying it like it is, mister saw Ry.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
But here we have Lea. It's proud to present the
mail bag. Alrighty well, then let's get to it, shall we.
This is where you like, Yeah, let's do it. Yes,
let's rock the mail I like moved over to to

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the stories, and so I was just like expecting some
sort of response, and I was like, Okay, there's silence
even hear me. I'm like no, I'm like, what's going on?
All right?

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Good?

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Excellent? All right, here we go potential haunting, and I'm
looking for answers. I work at a hospital. My department
office is right next to the morgue. But I've seen
or heard or felt well, but I've never seen or
heard or felt anything strange happened down there. I've thought

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about Jubiji board or something to contact spirits, but I
figured disturbing them might be respectful. God genius here, Dave.
The hospital was built in the seventies. In the main building,
there is a closed unit where we store isolation cards.
It's a windowless, dimly lit unit with a long corridor

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that leads to several what might have been exam rooms.
Whenever I walk in there to grab something, I have
a feeling of dread, like tall, shadowy, dread like that
makes you feel small. I don't feel this anywhere else
in the hospital. When I'm in that unit, my nerves
are on edge, like I'm ready to bolt in an instant.

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Whatever is in there is looking for something. I just
have that feeling, you know when you play hide and seek,
not wanting to be caught. Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe it's
just me against my better judgment. I want to find
out what it might be. Any suggestions, go with your
better judgment and don't do shit, because there's really I

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don't think anything for you to do. I think that
this is clearly a case of you're just psyching yourself out.
It's a closed unit, you're right next to the Morgan General.
You already are thinking about you know this place has
gotta be haunted because it's a hospital, so much so
that you're just like, oh, maybe I should take Auiji

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board into the morgue, do some do some conjuring you
know what could go wrong?

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Nothing?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
I I think when you go into that unit, like
you said, it's dimly lit, there's no windows, You're you're
putting all these thoughts in your head before you even
walk through the door, And I think you're creating something
out of nothing. I mean, honestly, besides this feeling that

(14:29):
you're having, nobody else as far as you're uh, your
letter is concerned, tells of any actual instances of paranormal activity.
Just I get this feeling that's overpowering. It makes me
feel small, and it's looking for something that's not an

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actual paranormal claim. That's just you feeling something. So uh,
I would go with your better judgment and just knock
it the hell out, don't investigate, don't do anything, and

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if it is it something of a persistence to you,
then find call in, call in a team if they're
allowed to, which I highly doubt because it's a working hospital.
It's just a closed wing or a closed unit. But yeah,
leave well enough alone, is what I'm going to say.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
I would agree Number one, I couldn't work in my office.
It was sitting right next to a morgue because I've
seen way too many zombie flicks and that was I could.
I would never get that image out of my mind.
Like anything I heard down there, I would psych myself
out that somebody was getting up off the table. So
props to this person for even having a job that's

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next to a morgue, because I wouldn't. You couldn't pay
me enough to work there. But I'm kind of on
the same page as Mike here. I think that you're
getting yourself worked up and probably putting it in your
head since there's nothing else going on anywhere else, and

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there's nothing else going on in the morgue, and you
seem to think like there should be something going on.
I think you have created the space like this is
the only space left where something potentially could be type
of thing, And then you're going in there already with
that kind of in the back of your mind, so

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you're waiting for something to happen as you go in there,
and you're getting yourself all freaked out. I would agree
that I don't think there's anything going on at all
that's paranormal there. If there is any type of energy there,
and I would say if it's a hospital. There's all
kinds of energy going on there. There's going to be
all kinds of stuff going on at all hospitals. I

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know I was there multiple times and multiple things happen,
and I talked to nurses and the nurses and the
physical therapy staff. They all had stuff happen and they
told me stories of stuff that happened. And so there's
all kinds of energies and hospitals and stuff, but in
nursing homes both. But I don't think there's anything to
worry about. It's transient, it's not going to stick around,

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and I highly highly doubt you're in any type of danger,
and I really might. The biggest take out of this
would be, don't take a weed work day. Don't start
the tradition of taking weedy board work day, because you
don't need to have a weedi board there because you
don't know what you're doing with it, you don't know
how to use it, and then you're going to play

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with it, and then you're not going to close the session,
and then you're going to leave it open, and then
something really is going to start happening there, and then
you're going to quit your job and get transferred to
somebody else, So don't do it in the first place,
all right, anything else you want to say to that, No,
ye know, strange smell found around old churches and no

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one else can smell it. So my boyfriend and I
were visiting some old churches that were on many floors
due to the fact that they were built to the
side of a mountain. At about halfway up, we stopped
to see what was on one of the floors, and
we're investigating. As we're walking, I start to smell a
really strong iron like smell. It was so strong that

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I soon started gagging and stopped breathing because it was
too intense. I had to get out of that space.
My boyfriend asked me what was going on. I waited
five minutes outside it seemed to get better, and so
I came back inside. To my surprise, there was no smell.
Then I realized that there was a cross made of wood,
like a really old one that would have been in

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a church that expired a long time ago. Absolutely no
iron or any other metal around, just as wouldn't cr
When I asked my boyfriend about the smell, he told
me that he smelled absolutely nothing he got closer to
the cross than I did, and he took a big
deep with but he said it smelled like nothing but

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old wood. He did say later, though, that he had
an unusual heavy feeling that was kind of oppressive. This
is unusual from him, as he really doesn't believe in
the supernatural or anything like this. A few weeks later,
we were on vacation in the south of France. We're
walking into a small town and we walked by an

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old church and the smell comes racing back to me,
the exact same strong iron smell, except it wasn't quite
as strong as the last time. I asked him and
he said he felt absolutely nothing. And once again he
smelled absolutely nothing. I was wondering if you guys have
ever experienced such a thing, or if you know what

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it could be. H. No, I have not experienced anything
like that. And number two, i'm for some reason you've
got an aversion to churches or crosses. I don't know

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why you would smell a strong iron smell. I mean,
to me, the only thing that really has a strong
iron smell is would be blood, So I don't know
why you're smelling that when you walk by a church
or you see an old cross. It could be that
you have the ability to smell, you know, to like

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go back in time when Jesus was nailed to a cross,
or people were getting crucified, and maybe you were there,
Maybe you were one of the people that got crucified,
or maybe you were in a past life you were
one of the people that was doing the crucifying, And
so maybe that's like in a past life it just
comes racing forward to today type of thing where you

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smell it because you were around it all the time
and it became such a really strong odor that you
signified that odor with your job or your work that
you had to do. And so maybe it's racing forward
and it's such a strong memory that it's breaking through
multiple past lives and showing up in this one. That

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would be my best guess. Other than that, I don't
I have never heard of anybody having an aversion to
wooden cross as saying that they smelled like really strong
smell of iron. So it's all I got.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Well, I I'm not going to go as extreme as
you like, because my take on this did have something
to do with past lives. I just didn't go to
like Hey, maybe you were part of the crucifixion. It's
you has expanded. That's okay, Yeah, that that might be it.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
The audience forgives you.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Yeah, but can I forgive myself?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
No, You'll never be able to forgive yourself.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Anyways. Yeah, I think that this is definitely something that
has to do with the past life. I don't believe
is anything to do with the Crucifixion, especially since she
didn't even say what type of like church or anything
that this was. You know, could have been Protestant, could

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have been Lutheran or whatever. It might have nothing to
do but the you know, the.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Catholic in France, it's a Catholic church. If it's an
old church in France, it's a Catholic.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Church, so well, good old French anyway. But you know,
you could simply uh be a priest at some point,
you could you know, have some sort of of deep
tying and her life to a church that had that
smell and something in those two locations I think brought

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it back, obviously, the first one being the first location
being the probably being closer to what was going on
than the one in France. So I guess I would
have to know like where where the church was. In
the first one, she didn't. She didn't actually say where
she was until the second one was since she was

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vacationing in France. But I think that, yeah, I'm not
going to go as far as the whole you're part
of the crucifixion and you know, who knows, maybe you're
Jesus himself.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
But I wouldn't go that far.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Oh well, there's a line I see. Okay, good.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Anyway, there's a difference between association of strong iron smell
and crosses and then saying that this young gal is
Jesus Christ reborn walking the earth. That's that's not even
in the same zip code. So I mean, if you
don't see that, I don't know. I don't know how
you don't see that.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
But anyway, well, based on the fact that that part
of my answer was completely mockery and sarcasm towards you,
I don't think we have an issue here. So uh
but yeah, that's uh, that's my answer to that one.
I do I agree with you. I think it's a
past life thing, and i'd be honestly, if you want

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answers to it, I guess have a past life aggression
and see if see if that's the case. Otherwise, I
don't know. Maybe you're maybe you're slightly possessed and they
like blood. Maybe maybe you're going to turn into a zombie.
That'd be great, David love that, it'd.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Be great anyway.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
All right, ready to move on?

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (25:10):
All right? What does it mean when a spirit or
ghost creates spider webs? What do you guys think? Over
a year ago, I moved into my apartment and my
friend came over. I joked about, since it's a new building,
there are no spirits in here, because she was there

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and oh, no spirits here, but she said there was,
and a man was in my bedroom. I lived there
in my apartment for three weeks by that time and
had no issues. But at that moment I got a
bit scared and said, no one is allowed in my bedroom.
No spirits. Well, that sounds familiar. It took it while

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before my friend saw it left my bedroom, but before
it left, it hung up quote unquote spider webs at
the door to my bedroom. That night, and two weeks afterwards,
I slept badly. As said, no issues the first three weeks,
but then it became an issue. I felt unsafe eighty

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percent of the time. I then said the spirit could
return because something told me it was perhaps a good
spirit who wanted to protect me. After three more nights,
I slept finally. I finally slept fine and didn't feel anxious.
But my question is, what does it mean when a
spirit hangs up spider webs. I've seen a medium on

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YouTube describe she got spider webs by the spirit, but
in a negative way, And both me and my friend
have thought the spirit that was in my room hung
up the spider webs to make sure no other spirit
would enter. What do you think it means when spider
webs are created by spirit? I will not be ashamed

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to say I had never heard of such a thing period,
and had to look it up. The only connection between
spider webs and spirits that I've ever heard is that
when they touch you, when you run into one, that
you get that cobweb feeling like on your skin, like

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you walked into a spider web. But seeing a spirit
hang spider webs never at all. And I found zilch
on any sort of I mean, there's symbolism for spiders,
there's symbolism for webs that simbilants are freaking everything. I

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have like a pen right here, and I'm sure that
there's symbolism for a brown pat somewhere on some website.
What I did not find is any story claim nothing
spirits hating spiderwebs or creating them specifically for a purpose
other than like how you how you would you would

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feel if you kind of ran into one or got
touched by spirit. So the only other thing that I
will add I will add to that is I remember
a time when I was with Lauren at the LaDuke
mansion and we were in the master bedroom and she

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said she saw what looked like vines kind of closing
off and coming in over the main door in and
out of the room. That she thought that it might
be a way of keeping us inside the room. So

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but there were vines, you know, they weren't webs. So
it's either a your friend really doesn't know what she's
doing she or here is doing and like just kind
of I don't know, hallucinated or something, or if spirits
are able to symbolize something in whatever means they would

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like to do, you know, maybe William Lduke liked vines,
Maybe this spirit likes spiderwebs. Either way, I don't. I
don't know exactly what it's supposed to mean for you.

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I think the issues that you had were probably brought
on by your friend because nothing changed to all of us.
She's like, nope, they're spirits here, there's one in your room,
and now all of a sudden, you have anxiety. I
think if your friend had kept their mouth shut about anything,
I don't think you would have had anxiety. I don't
think you would have slept badly, and I don't think
you ever would have had any issues period. So I

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think all of your anxiety and stuff that that you
did have is probably self self done to yourself. And
when you finally were like okay, I said they could
come back in. Maybe they're trying to protect me, and
then there were still no issues. I think you relaxed
yourself and you allowed to sleep. So yeah, I got

(30:20):
I hope you still have no issues. But I got
nothing on the spiderwebs, on any sort of this is
what folklore says or anything. It's just my opinion.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
I don't really have anything to add to that. My
answer was going to be, I don't think that there
was a spirit in your room in the first place.
I think it was your friend messing with you, and
then you got yourself all psyched out and freaked out
about the spirit being there, and then you know, then

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you invite it back into the room because you think
it's a good spirit, and then you start sleeping better.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
So I.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Don't think there's anything here at all that's that that
was happening. I don't think spiderweb's got hung over the
door in this particular case. I don't think anything happened.
I think your friend freaked out, and I think that
you ran with it and you got yourself all worked
up about nothing, and and it's just something to laugh off,

(31:24):
good story to tell. But as far as is it
possible for somebody like that, So what does spirit be
able to put up like an ectoplasmum type of shield
or like a barrier to keep other spirits out? I mean,

(31:44):
is it possible? Sure, everything's possible. I have not heard
of that before, but that doesn't mean anything. We learn
new stuff every day. So is it possible that that
that you know, a spirit not in this situation, but
that a spirit could do that? You know, probably, I
mean I've been on investigations where I had a hard

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time walking into a certain room in the house because
it felt like it was to me. The best way
I can describe it is I couldn't walk into In
one investigation, in particular, I couldn't walk into the daughter's
room because it felt like it was full of marshmallow
fluff like, so as I tried to cross through the threshold,
I just walked into this massive wall of like trying

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to walk through a cotton ball or like I said,
marshmallow fluff. You know, does it happen? Sure it happens.
I couldn't explain to you why that was there. It
was some type of form of energy obviously that didn't
want me in that room in particular. And I don't
think anybody got in that room, to be honest, that night.
It wasn't just me. I think everybody had a difficult

(32:52):
time getting in there and then we just gave up
on it. But so it happens. But again in this
particular case, I don't think that that was what was happening.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Could go.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
Did I see a ghost that appeared to be cloat?
I walked my dogs at night down by the river.
I'm always watching out for people coming towards me or
coming up from behind, because I walk my dogs on
extended leashes. Last night, as we were walking, I looked
into the distance and thought I saw someone that was
headed towards me. I know, I saw a movement. I

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figured it with someone wearing a dark T shirt. I
walked my dogs off the path and onto the grass,
waiting for whoever it was to pass. I continued to
watch and could see someone moving towards us, but something
was off. Once the figure was about twenty five yards
for me, I realized it wasn't a person, at least
not in a physical form. It wasn't a typical ghostly

(33:48):
form either. I could see, hear, and feel the subject
as they ran past. I saw the outline of a person,
but the form itself was cloaked. Yes, I'll a predator
or pixelated to match the surroundings. What are your guys' thoughts?
Glimmerman comes to mind right away. Honestly, do you know

(34:12):
what you saw was? I mean, now I'm taking this
at full I'm taking this, you know, at completely legitimate.
So what you saw was an interdimensional type of form
that was moving past. You know, whether it was intelligently
there moving past you, or whether you just saw it

(34:36):
moving past you and for it it was someplace else
and you were here, but somehow, you know, you wound
up in the same space for a couple of seconds
and it came running past you. I don't know that
I would say it was jogging down the path, so
to speak. That would make less sense to me. But

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it moving by you and you looking at it and
seeing the shape or form of a human being but
having it all pixelated. That sounds exactly like Glimmerman to me.
So I wouldn't be worried about it. I think it's
a hell of a story to tell for the rest
of your life. And I think it's cool. I've never

(35:19):
seen anything like that. I'd like to see that myself.
So send a message, send a private message to the show,
and if you're close to Minneapolis, let me know what
path you're on. We'll see if I can replicate it.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
So I'm not saying that it's aliens, but it's aliens.
I think what happened is his spaceship ran out of
energy and he had to run to the nearest store

(35:54):
to get i know, batteries or something, and that's why
it was jogging down the path and in somewhat cloaked.
That's it, So I got.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
That's what you got, energizing money, going to get new batteries.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
First that first place, uh for for the Bunny mobile.
But uh, uh no, I mean I agree you're right
away glimmer Man came to mind. Uh but since we
don't know exactly what glimmer Man is, you know, is
it you know, is it our military having you know,

(36:36):
the cloaking technology, you know, cloaking suits or whatever. Maybe
this one was malfunctioning, which is why you could see him.
The fact that there was a figure, uh is it
you know as you as you said, David, I don't
know if you're saying that more as like what it
couldn't be? More what it could be? But you know,

(36:59):
a dimensional shift that somehow just a little bit crossed
over to each other, but not fully. So they weren't
able to manifest because what strikes me here is whatever
figure he saw did not react to him whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
I saw it.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah, So either a they did not perceive one another,
or he you know, this whatever this cloake figure was,
didn't know that he was able to be seen.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
Right, So I didn't even think of the military thing,
but you know that. I mean, what if it was
I mean that could be a probable answer, right, I
mean what if like I don't know where this just
walk down the river did, but what if it was
in Washington, D C. Or whatever. What if it was
in you know, by a military in North Carolina, like yeah,

(37:55):
by like Fort Bragg or something right where they're probably
doing some of the experimentation. And what if what if
they were just like, hey, throw on a suit and
go out in public, you know, and and see what,
you know, just to see if anybody can see you.
I mean, I would imagine they test that shit out.
It's not like it's a it's not like it's a
tactical thing, you know, like you're not launching some sort

(38:17):
of weapon. I mean, it's just a camouflage suit. So
I would imagine that they probably test that stuff in
real life civil you know, in a in a civilization
type of fashion, you know, a civilized fashion where they
would just go out in the general pop eulation and uh,
see if they can be seen.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
You know. That wouldn't surprise me if that happened, No,
absolutely not. So I mean there are a lot of
different a lot of different scenarios of what could have happened.
But I think Dave and I are out both of
the agreement that there's nothing you need to worry about. No,
like I think it's just a really cool story. Yeah, yeah,

(39:00):
and move on with life and tell the story at
you know, at parties. You know, maybe maybe you might
even get laid something like that, because you gotta really yes, yes,
I went there. Uh sorry, I had Iron Man two

(39:22):
in my head at that time. But anyway, yeah, you
have nothing to worry about, so you know, tell the
story whenever you want and move on with life. Ah,
I guess it's my turn.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
It is yours.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Ye, all right, odd occurrence and not sure what to
make of it. I was loan in my house, no
one else was here. I went into the bathroom and
there was a lot of dried chewing gum on the floor.
I don't chew gum, don't ever buy it or even
bring into the house. And it was dried like it

(40:04):
had been there for a long time, and it hadn't.
I know this because I had been cleaning in the
bathroom that day, running in and out, and I would
have seen that big wad on the floor. Odd things
happened regularly. Objects disappear, then a few days later reappear
out on a table or snack bar like someone was

(40:25):
like someone put it out for me to find music
will play late at night, then turn off when you
get up to investigate. But this is the first time
I've ever found something this weird. Uh. I don't think
there's much to this. You know, if there if there

(40:47):
are spirits around your house, I think they're there probably
just to have a good time. And you know, maybe
they maybe they were chewing bubble gum or something like that,
or maybe you had a friend at some point, family

(41:07):
member that recently passed away that always shoot bubble gum
that maybe you're not thinking of or connecting the two,
and they want to know that that, uh, they're around.
I go back to h a teen and Jason's case
when they were still part of the team and we
investigated their place.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
I did.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Anyway, you weren't there for that one. But you know,
one of the things that that Ricky, who was my
meetium at the time, had said, is like you have
just a couple of spirits here. It was just really
like the energy of your house like they liked that
you're laid back. We like you like to have guests
over and you know, have barbecues and football parties and
almost up. They just really like your vibe and so

(41:52):
they want to be around. And that's what this story
reminded me of. Just like with the playing with the
music and chewing bubble gum and taking stuff and then
putting it back later, sounds like you're trying to clean
up a little bit. So I don't think you have
anything to worry about. I guess you're just going to

(42:14):
have to look into your life to see if anybody
who has recently passed maybe not even recently, but anybody
who is in your life that has passed away choot
bubble gup, you know that brand, that flavor, you know whatever,
And they're probably just trying to let you know that

(42:35):
they are there there for whatever reason.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
But that's it.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I mean, there's really I don't think there's really much
else it could be other than you sat on it
and you know, while you were cleaning it fell off
your ass and you didn't see it. I mean, that's
that's about the only way that otherwise that it could
have gotten there.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Yeah, I don't even know that I'm going paranormal with this,
you know, I guess for the gum, I can't place
the gum into a paranormal type of mind frame.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
The other thing's happening like objects disappearing and then a
few days later showing up, you know, right on a
table right where you couldn't miss it, or on the
snack bar, like somebody put it out for you, music
playing late at night, and then when you get up
to investigate, you know, it turns off right away. Even
that can be explained, you know, with like if somebody

(43:46):
to me, what I think of is like some of
the movies that I've seen in the past, where like
somebody lives in the walls or there's like a secret
room in this house or something like that, and it's
just a person who who's in your house when you're
not kind of thing like knows when you're home, knows
when you're going to work. And I'm not saying this

(44:09):
to freak out, but you know, I would look and
see if there's any way that there could possibly be
another space in your house the way it's you know,
the way like it's laid out, like if if for
some reason like half the basement isn't accessible, but it

(44:30):
makes no reason is to there's no reason as to
why it wouldn't be accessible type of thing, or if
there's an attic that doesn't have a door to it
type of thing. You know that I would investigate that.
As far as saying that chewing gum is coming from
a ghost and that it's hard and laying on the floor,

(44:52):
I just don't see that happening. I've never heard of
a ghost chewing gum before. That would be a very
weird thing, would be. It would be a first, let's
put it that way. So, I mean, if it is,
it would be a total first for me because I've
I know things can get moved around, I know light
switches can get turned on and off. I know you

(45:12):
can hear music. I never ever, ever have heard of
a ghost chewing gum and then spitting it out on
the floor. So I'm just I'm just taking it as
it was written. So you know, I don't mean to
shoot the messengers. I'm just saying I've never heard of

(45:33):
that before. I think there's a more logical explanation to
it somewhere. I don't know what the explanation is, but
I think there's a more logical explanation. So, all right,
are ghosts or spirits capable of aging past the age
they were when they died? So my friends and I

(45:55):
talked to a ghost using a pendulum before switching over
to a Ouiji board. Supposedly it was the same spirit
both times. The spirit died in twenty twenty at age
thirteen and was very sad. This ghost introduced himself to
us twice as seventeen years old and stated his birthday
was also very soon Before this, I'd only ever talked

(46:18):
to or heard of spirits who stay the age they
were when they died. So does anyone know what this
could be about? Also? Is it possible that since my
friends and I were using the board and the two
of us are eighteen and the other is fifteen, that

(46:38):
they wanted to fit in with us better age wise?
I guess it says he was a friendly spirit and
was joking around with us, so I could see that
that could be a likely situation, in a similar way
to how I used to lie about my age on the.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Internet to online friends.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
Well that's not right right there, But I don't think
he is entirely lying either maybe he self identifies as
aging or has it moved on. So can ghosts actually age?
I'm gonna say no, I can they age?

Speaker 2 (47:13):
No?

Speaker 3 (47:13):
But can they represent themselves at any stage of their
life that they want to? Yes? So if this individual
died at age thirteen, could they be seventeen? I'm gonna
say no. But could they tell you that they're seventeen
by you using a pendulum or a Ouiji board? Sure? You know,

(47:38):
it's the same concept as if you're online chatting with
somebody and you said it right in your statement that
you used to lie about your age to online friends.
It's no different. So you know, is the spirit going
to grow older? No, the spirit's not going to grow older.
If a person dies when they're thirteen or twenty five
or seventy, are they to be Are they going to

(48:00):
celebrate their seventy fifth birthday five years later and get
back in touch with you and say, hey, I'm seventy
five years old today. No, they're not. I can't. I
can't get on board with that. So no, Number one,
stop trying to talk to spirits because you don't know
what the hell you're doing. You're way too young to

(48:21):
be messing with stuff like that. Number two, No, spirits
don't age. If he was thirteen years old when he died,
he's still thirteen years old, but he can say he's
as old as he wants to be. Doesn't make any difference.
I think, I don't even know. I guess I don't

(48:41):
understand how you don't understand that. I guess I'm confused
as to why that's even a question. But I'll leave
it at that. I'll let Mike expand on.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
That, all right. I have a couple of things actually,
So if you ask, if you ask, if you ask,
spirits can grow older, but it's something you need to
like learn how to do and blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Well why would you want to I don't, I don't know.
I mean, like, if you're if you're you know, seventy
five eighty years old when you die, why the hell
would you want to die and then continue to age?

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Well, there, you wouldn't. She was more referring to, like
in this story, like a teenager or something like that.
You know, their physical body dying, and then they want to,
I guess, continue to to grow. I want to continue
to grow older, I guess but you know, here's my
question on that is death as we know it, And

(49:51):
and I kind of stopped even using that word because
your your soul, your essence just moves on to the
other side and then back into another body for another
life or whatnot. So I mean, does death even really
ever occur? And and so when you were reading that,

(50:13):
and when I read it earlier, I'm just sitting here going,
I'm like, why would I even if I know that
I'm dead and I know I'm not in a physical
body anymore, which this spirit obviously believes or obviously knows
that he is, would I not be, you know, eighteen

(50:35):
hundred years old? You know, if I went all the
way back to my past life and I got all
those memories back and I knew who I was and
all my past lives, and why not why would I
still claim to be fifteen? Would I not know how
old I actually am as a spirit and as a soul?

(50:58):
Apparently not in this case.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Yeah, I would think you would, I mean the yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
And I would think that you would too, until obviously
you go back into another living body and then you know,
those are cut off, so you can start a new
life from scratch. I get all that, So I mean
the spirit that they're talking to, if they're talking to
a spirit at all, you know, it's weird that they

(51:26):
would not only represent themselves as the thirteen year old
who's tragically died and so sad. I mean, how many
story demonic stories have started with that exactly, And then
a couple of years later, now they're seventeen. And it's

(51:47):
interesting because the years that they were doing this seemed
to match the age of the age of this spirit.
So you know, they were fifteen, and then two years
later they were seventeen. So the spirit obviously is and
he knows that his birthday's coming up soon, so he
must have complete consciousness of the passage of time m hm,

(52:11):
to know how old he would be if he was
still in it, still in his body.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Or it's something else that's just being manipulative.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
Well exactly. And that's the other thing, you know, And
it seems that you know these kids and you're dead
on they shouldn't be messing with this ship like they are.
I mean, come on, I mean like you're you're you're like, oh, well,
the pendulum we seem to not be having a good
Let's switch over to the Ouiji board. I mean, like,
what what are you doing? Stop that? U. I just

(52:47):
in this case, in all cases, just don't do it,
you know. I don't care if you're like, oh, you
know the rules and we cut off. No, stop it,
just knock it off. There's too much going on here
for us to dwindle it down. There's like four different

(53:09):
scenarios that could be happening here and like almost none
of them and good for the people who are doing it.
So I would just does a spirit age I guess
based on their lifetimes and everything. But is the spirit
of this boy that they're talking to fifteen? I highly

(53:31):
doubt it. Either that or we severely under We don't know.
We obviously here are way limited. There we go, there
we go. That's what I was looking for. We're way
limited in our understanding. Then, if a boy who died
at fifteen is then a spirit who is fifteen in

(53:52):
all his past lives, like, don't come back to him
even as a spirit. But I hate to say it,
but I think that's a scene of question. We'll write
it down as topic number thirty seven for when just
come back on.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
But yeah, I am yeah, I mean that is an
interesting thing. I guess I personally don't see the logic
behind an entity aging after they've left their human body.
I just don't see the purpose for it. I mean,
you can continue to learn, Obviously, you could continue to

(54:30):
grow spiritually. I think that there's I think that there
are things to learn. So when you die, you're gonna
there's it's not going to be what you know now.
It's going to be all new stuff. And I think
you probably have a choice. I think that you can
either choose to learn other things when you pass away,

(54:53):
that your spirit can learn other things and continue to
grow its intelligence. Or I think you don't have to.
I think you can just be done and just be
free of this body and just exist kind of in
harmony with the universe. Honestly, I don't think you have
to do anything. I think it's I think it's a

(55:16):
personal choice if you want to continue to grow in
your spirit form. And I don't know if there's a
benefit to that. Maybe there is. I mean maybe maybe
if you continue to grow, maybe when you come back
you get a better life, you know, or or maybe
you're put into a life that will let you utilize

(55:38):
the talents that you've acquired or maybe you know, as
you're growing as a spirit, when you're put back into
another life, maybe that maybe what you want, like what
your goal is or what you were working on. Maybe
you're put into a life again that would allow you

(55:59):
to pursue that at and pursue the answers of that
during that lifetime. But as far as aging itself, I
just don't see the logic behind that. So that is
a good scene of question. But I don't think because
you don't she'll tell me. She'll be like Dave, everything's
happening all at the same time, and I'll just sit

(56:20):
there like like a deer in the headlights, and and
I'll just nod my head.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
So but okay, See, the only thing that I can
think of for why, like a younger somebody who died,
somebody who left their their physical body early and early
in that life would want to I think, is like
pure vanity, Like just like, hey, I would like to

(56:48):
see what I would have grown into if I would
have lived who I was like twenty five.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
But since they don't carry that with you, though I don't,
I don't know. I don't think vanity is like something
that you would carry forward that's a human trait.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Well, we are spiritual beings living a human experience.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
Right, I get it. But what I'm saying is like,
I don't think vanity carries forward.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
Maybe, I mean, maybe it does go We're all going
to find out someday.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
So, yes, yes we are. I do remember though, seen
It has told me, whether on the show or not,
I'm not sure, but that she has taught a multiple
spirits on how to h how to grow older. I
don't I don't know the stuff, like the reasons behind

(57:41):
it or anything like that. So yeah, that's just I
was just kind of like, oh, okay, I want to
move on with life now, and uh, you know, didn't
really go into it much further. So you want to
do one more or move on to our main topic

(58:03):
treak everybody else?

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Yeah, this is a good uh, A easy one to answer,
I think. So let's do one more because this is
a this is something like everybody should know. I think,
you know, like a public service announcement type of thing.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
And you know, I'm gonna be all over this all right,
protection from spirits when ghost Huntingay, So we are going
to Savannah and my husband wants to do a ghost tour.
I had an experience last time we went, and believe
something followed us back to the hotel. I am a Christian?

(58:40):
Is there anything I can do for protection? I do
have holy water? Or what would you suggest? I suggest?
Calman the f down. I mean, you're going on a
ghost to wh You're like, I have holy water? Will
that work? Relax? Just just relax, settle down. You don't

(59:05):
need to go all demonic because you think something followed
you back to your hotel, which I would highly doubt.
I think you probably freaked yourself out while on the
ghost tour the route there was a knock on the
hotel for whatever reason, and you were like, we got
followed home or we got followed back to the hotel.

(59:30):
Typically on ghost tours, people don't talk, they don't ask well,
they ask questions of the guide, but they don't actually investigate.
They don't do anything that would actually cause a spirit
to want to actually follow them back to their hotel
for whatever reason. I have never heard of it happening.
We can you know. When Mike comes on the show,

(59:51):
hopefully in the next couple of weeks, he runs several
ghost tours, we'll ask him. Has anybody ever contacted you
afterwards to saying that they thought they got followed home?

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
And I'm pretty sure, pretty sure, I'll give it a ninety.
He's gonna say no. So I think you just need
to relax and if, by whatever reason, maybe you're maybe
this ghost tour involves some serial killer's house. I don't know,

(01:00:24):
something that that has a dark and negative type of
history to it. Wear a cross, uh, you know, don't
act like an ass h wear crystal, you know, an
amethyst quartz, you know, tourmaline. Just something that's going to
give you maybe a little bit more protection, or find

(01:00:44):
some way to throw one of the other people on
the tour under the bus and follow you. Now I
haven't following. Then back the ultimate answer to how do
you survive a bar attack? Exactly guy, exactly yeah. Make
sure the guy next to you acts like the asshole
about you. Exactly yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Make sure when you make a dumb comment you point
to the person standing to your right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
So it was they said, not exactly. You can use
their energy to do something if you want.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
So ghost tours are are like are like flying in
a plane. Of the time, they are completely safe. Yes,
there are going to be occurrences. Depending on the tour
and where you're at, maybe something might happen, or maybe
somebody missed, does says something wrong or has the ill

(01:01:44):
intention that gets the spirit's attention. I don't think that
that's you and your husband. I don't think you actually
got followed back to your hotel. And holywater is really
not going to be needed on the Savannah Ghost Tour.
So again I go right back to my original statement, relax.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Or trip again next year, the guy next year. So
all right, so going to Savannah number one cool. Savannah's
on my bucket list just because it's been touted as
the most active of paranormal spirit the city on the planet.

(01:02:32):
So I think that's cool. Go on the ghost to
have a great time, listen to the stories, don't take
your holy water. You want protection, Here's how you're gonna
get protection. Ground yourself. Make a statement saying that nothing

(01:02:52):
is allowed to follow you home before you even start
the tour. Make a statement out, a profound, direct statement
that and something. You have to believe this now it's
I get anything else. I was kind of laughing to
myself as Mike was saying, you know where your courts

(01:03:12):
or your turmaline. And if you don't even know what
the hell black tourmaline is, let alone what it does.
Don't waste your money buying a piece because it isn't
going to do you any good because you've got to
have faith in it. You have to have faith in
what you're asking for protection when I have faith in
Jesus Christ and faith when I've when I've been in
dark situations and I've had to evoke the name Jesus Christ,

(01:03:36):
that my faith in that is what got me out
of that bad situation. If I was agnostic or an atheist,
I could scream Jesus's name all day long, and I'm
going to be screwed in that situation. That's just how
it's going to happen. Same thing with using crystals. If
you don't believe in crystals or believe that certain gems
hold certain types of abilities to protect you, then they're

(01:03:59):
not going to protect you. You could you could put
a salting cracker in your pocket, and if you're and
if you honestly had faith in that salting cracker that
it was going to keep you safe from any type
of harm, it would I don't think that there's anything
that it wouldn't. So what can you do for protection?

(01:04:21):
Like Mike said, leave the holy water at home? I said,
have a great time, have fun, enjoy yourself. If you
don't do something stupid or you don't say something disrespectful,
the spirit's not going to follow you back home. If
it does, maybe it follows you back home because it
really liked your personality or it really liked your energy.

(01:04:42):
Then there's nothing to be scared of there. It's just
it's around you for twenty four hours forty eight hours
because it likes you, because it likes your energy. I've
had that happen before. I've had negative things follow me
home after after working on personal cases of people's homes,
and I I've had good energy follow me home from
other locations that just because the spirit liked being around me.

(01:05:06):
And I don't mind that, and I don't I don't
mind either one. To be honest with you, I don't
like it when something negat follows me home, but I
know it's not staying. So you know, it's just uncomfortable
for a couple of days of bullshit you have to
put up with. But ground yourself if you don't know
how to ground yourself. Michelle Bell and Jay has an
absolute beautiful book that talks all about grounding and how

(01:05:29):
to keep yourself safe in any situation. That's how I
use her method. And then you know, claim your territory,
claim your space. Just say, hey, you know, I'm going
on this tour just for fun. If we come across
anything negative or anything bad, or a spirit gets angry
at somebody because they say something, you know I'm not

(01:05:51):
I am. You know you're not allowed to follow me home.
You're not allowed to attach yourself to me or my husband.
You're not allowed to follow us back to our place
and mean it with conviction, and you'll be just fine.
I don't think you have anything to worry about, though, honestly.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
And I just want to I just want to really
quick add that if you are one like determined to
use holy water to protect yourself, I just I want
you to get this really big bucket and fill it
up with holy water, and then at the end of

(01:06:29):
the tour, just dump the bucket over you and you'll
be fine. And your husband.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
There you go. You got that too, yeah, Or you
can get a super soaker fill it up with holy
water and then just blast everybody who's with you with
it to make sure that they're all safe as well.
Because a concerned citizen, that would be the proper move
keep others safe too. Don't just be an ass and
only protect yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Dave, I one percent forgive you for being late now.
Thank you because that and I owe you a Heineken
because that was brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
The super soaker.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
I love that idea so much. I will have dreams
about it tonight. I can just see that happen, couldn't you.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
So he shows up just so amped up, you know,
thinking they got to protect everybody. A bus out of
super soaker with old water.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Just what you have it. You're like, guys, guys, at
the end of the tour, I want you all get
together or for for this group photo. I'm just gonna
go get to my car to get my camera and
right back. Yeah you just yeah, this is good. Everybody
would be hilarious. Uh So moving on to our main story. Yeah,

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the main topic main time. So Dave, I want to
I want everybody listening to to understand what I say here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
I have come to realize that for people who do
not pay tribute to Fisto, the God of all traffic,
they developed genital warts. Well, there's been multiple claims and
stories of this happening throughout the United States, and so

(01:08:26):
everybody just needs to be aware that they do not
pay tribute to Fisto, the God of all traffic. When
they go through yellow lights, mister Hanns slapped, they will
develop genital awarts. It's been documented. And I say this

(01:08:48):
because our topic tonight is mass hysteria, and apparently just
saying wild weird ass shit over the airways obviously makes
people freak out and they start to develop those those symptoms.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
I would I would agree with you. I think I'm
not quite sure the whole general Ward Fisto thing is
going to happen, but I do think and we did talk,
we had to show a couple of years ago about massesia,
and we kind of just touched on stuff. So we'll

(01:09:31):
go a little bit deeper tonight. But I think that
like probably and not in my life. It wasn't in
our lifetimes, but I know, I'm pretty sure that any
way that you would know about it was when they
broadcast The War of the World's over the radio, and
like half of America thought that there was an alien

(01:09:51):
invasion taking place and that they were like that was
the end of days, man, Like that shit was when
people are looking out their window locking their doors, you know.
And this is going back to a time like when
people didn't lock their doors at night, you know, when
it was safe to or collectively anyway safe to to
not be worried about petty theft and people trying to

(01:10:13):
do horrible things to other people. It just wasn't as prevalent,
obviously as it is today. But I think War of
the Worlds, you know, that's a great example of just
a collection of individuals experiencing a psychological moment together, because

(01:10:37):
it's really what that was. It was just a psychological
moment where everybody that was there like thought that, you know,
this might be the last time they ever see their
kids or see their family, you know, like this was it.
You know, the end is here, I wonder, and I
know that, you know, obviously there's no way to to

(01:11:00):
to like study this, I don't think. I mean, maybe
if somebody knows a way, fantastic share it with us.
But like, I can't imagine how much fear collectively would
have been broadcast out. You know how we always talk
about like energy being released, like how much fear was

(01:11:20):
released during that hour long program? And camera move my
chair and then I'm like, way out a frame, how
much fear was was just shot out of everybody and
into fear and worry? And I'm sure other things too,

(01:11:42):
shot out of everybody and into the universe and into
the atmosphere. And I wonder if there was any type
of ramification of that amount of like burst, like this
huge burst of excessive amount of energy of one particular type,
or you know, a combination of two particular types, like

(01:12:03):
fear and worry, let's say. And I know there's no
way to measure that, but I mean, I bet you something.
I bet you as palpable, like I bet you I
would bet if you could turn the clock back and
experience that night as a fly on the wall, like
weird shit happened.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
I don't know, but I would think it probably did. Yeah,
I don't know, but that is that is definitely, uh,
at least mass fear. I don't know if necessarily the
War of the World's broadcast counts as mass hysteria as

(01:12:44):
much as you're taking like the public and I'm kind
of going to reverse. Its going to sound the exact
same thing. But I'll explain what I mean it. I
don't know if that that counts as like the technical
definition of mass hysteria as much as just taking your

(01:13:09):
community or whatever and throwing them into hysterics. And and
I'll say this is why. So one of the first
things that I always do is out, you know, whatever
topic is, I look up the definition of it. You
know what exactly is and what constitutes is mass hysteria.

(01:13:31):
And so they said, people typically, the people are affected
by mass hysteria typically believe something specific has triggered their symptoms,
in which case this wouldn't have I mean, obviously the
symptom was they're scared they're about to die. Don't have
an underlying health condition that could prompt those symptoms, meaning

(01:13:55):
general awarts, and in my example, wouldn't behave in that
way on a regular basis. So I mean, I think,
but that I mean, and that is where you would
have to see how did people actually react. I mean,
I think bursting into tears and going hunting your loved

(01:14:16):
ones wouldn't count so much for that. But if they
got a shotgun and started blowing the hell.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Right, Like I mean, you know, if it would have
happened in my lifetime, let's just say years ago, right,
I would have grabbed my kids. I would have grabbed
all my kids and my ex at that time, and
you know, made sure they were safe, told him I
loved them, and then Dad would have you know, fired
up the made sure that the rounds were in the

(01:14:48):
shotgun and that the pistol was loaded type of thing,
and that if anything tried to get through our front door,
it was getting it was getting some double o buck
shot out of a twelve gage.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
So this next bullet point, I probably would fit into
what you were talking about, although in my mind, I
guess I always took it as this wasn't like a
one night, one instance thing like mass hysterias kind of
from what I've read, is like drawn out. Yeah, I
would agree, but you may share an extreme fear of

(01:15:22):
an exaggerated or non existent threat, which I think War
of the World's probably would have done.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Yeah, because right, and so I'll just throw mine out there.
So when I looked up the definition, it says mass
hysteria as a phenomenon that transmits collective illusions of threats,
whether real or imaginary through a population in society as
a result of rumors and fear. So in that that definition,
that to me, that screams war. The world's right there

(01:15:51):
because you took and broadcast an illusion of a threat
that was imaginary into the general populace that result it
in fear. I mean, so's that's why I threw it
in there, because I mean that fits absolutely perfectly. But
then it also in the medical term, and you know,
is that it describes spontaneous manifestation or the production of

(01:16:13):
chemicals of the body of the same or similar hysterical
physical symptoms by more than one person. So a common
type of mass hysteria occurs when a group of people
believes they have a similar disease or ailment, sometimes referred
to as mass sociogenic illness or epidemic hysteria. For all
the people that are in define details, which I am not.

(01:16:37):
I speak more in open world expression general terms. I
don't get finite. Sometimes I get finite, depends on what
we're talking about, but I generally I'm I'm just speaking
in generalities. So I would agree with you that the
I think it's more of a not just a one
hour night thing. I think it's more of a larger

(01:17:01):
timeframe of experience, like the Witch Trials, let's say, right,
I mean that was a great example of mass hysteria,
right as everybody thought everybody was a fricking witch. But
you know, and that happened over the course of whatever
a year or years or months or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
It was exactly, yeah, if you want to, I mean now,
and I don't know how to bring up recent times,
recent decades or whatever without getting into it into politics,
but I mean you have like the McCarthy trials, right,

(01:17:34):
everybody was a communist, right, you know, that's that's mass hysteria.
I want to go back though, because you had talked
about people of similar symptoms. Yeah, you know it. And
I'm sure you came across this and it's the dancing
plague of fifteen eighteen.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Yeah, yeah, I did see that. It never reminds me
of like the on Evil when the all the girls
were singing because they got the earworm thing. Oh. I
don't know if you saw that episode or not, but
they were all singing that that's you know, that tune
and everything. They couldn't stop singing it. You know, that
was that kind of reminds me of the dancing Plague.

(01:18:14):
But go ahead and it describe that, because to me,
it's just a weird it's just weird, weird. I mean,
you know, I'm pulling up by Travis Taylor here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
It's just weird. You know, Well that's weird. Yeah, it's
just weird.

Speaker 3 (01:18:32):
I don't understand how that could happen.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
I need to get I need to find a way
of just clipping him saying that from the shot, that's
just weird.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Yeah, and then just throw it in theres. Although we
get in trouble for we can do our version of it.
We don't think we can use him doing it unless
we permission.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
That said.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
So yeah, we're going back years. A woman by the
name of I will see if you know how well
good I am at names Frau Trophea, sure h in

(01:19:14):
uh Strasbourg, Strasbourg, France, which is now France, stepped outside
of her home and began dancing and danced and danced,
and she did not stop. Nobody stopped her from dancing

(01:19:36):
for her better part of a week. Well, she just
danced day in and day out. I don't even know
how you would do that. So I love the way
they phrase this. Eventually she was shipped off to the
shrine of Saint Vitas, who at that point was like
their patron saint of dancing, hoping that he would cure her. Well,

(01:20:01):
while that was going on, all of a sudden, two
dozen more people stepped out of their homes and danced
and just continue to danceing until much so that a
couple of people died. They danced themselves to death.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
I saw that. Now, that is that's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Yes, how do you dance.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
Yourself to death?

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
You just don't stop?

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
Yeah, right, over exhaustion obviously, or a lack you know,
you're not bringing any fluids in your body or so whatever.
But I would I would think the common sense and
you would kick in to be like, oh, I'm getting
a little woozy here after dancing for eight days straight,
I probably should get a little food and water in
my system.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Well, I mean again, and this goes back to the
Massesterian belief right, you know, right, it's out a control.
You're right, you can't do anything about it. Yeah, that
you are going to dance until you die, and you
are going to dance until you die if you actually
believe it. So local leaders and all their genius decisions

(01:21:15):
decided the only heure was for them just to dance
it out. You know, until you stop yourselves, just keep dancing,
you'll you'll get tired of it eventually. Like they literally
hired musicians and put up stages people could get up
and dance it out. They say, at the height of

(01:21:37):
the height of it, four hundred people in that town
got afflicted by all this, all this dancing. That is insane.
And honestly, we're going back to fifteen fifteen fourteen, that
wasn't even the first time that this happened. I got

(01:21:59):
apparently in thirteen seventy four there are several towns along
the Rhyan River, which is Germany, Belgium in the Netherlands,
which also got afflicted by this dance plague. Yeah, which
is and even stranger.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Yeah, I just said it wasn't an isolated incident.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Yeah, right, And still to this day, nobody can figure
out what exactly happened and why so many people, Why
this is the first lady, this frau just suddenly stepped
outside and started dancing, like there's no actual disease that

(01:22:38):
causes you to dance.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
No, and it never I didn't see I don't know
if you saw this, But did it ever say when
she was shipped off, if she was cured. No, it
just said that she was never saw that either. Yeah,
it just says that she was shipped off, and then
they wrote her out of the story because you know,
the lady ship her off. He just took her out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
They just probably figured she has some sort of weird disease.
She's going into the shackles and some dungeons somewhere. She
didn't get shipped on a luxury liner to mount whatever.
It's some some religious leader, the divine dance god. Bullshit.

(01:23:20):
She was thrown in some dungeon somewhere. It was the
fifteen hundreds.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Yeah, naturally, like demonic possession was considered to be the
reason for it, religious fervor. I don't really get this one,
but like recent times, they thought that it might be
in an got fungi fung guy that grow that grows

(01:23:43):
on rye that causes spasms, hallucinations, convulsions and more. But
if that's what they take for dancing, it's like convulsions
and stuff, then right music, Yeah, but you know, if
that's the case, the only thing that I can think
of that started this is she had this hallucination where

(01:24:04):
this god came to her and almost like Sarah Winchester,
you know, got approached by this spirit or you know,
maybe Titus themselves saying you you are going to dance
or you're going to die.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
Yeah, right, And so she started dancing, and then maybe
she spoke of it to others, you know, I don't know,
like that makes more sense to me, right, like if
she was visited or thought she was visited by a
divine entity where the spirit said I want you to

(01:24:40):
dance or I need you to dance, or if you're
gonna you know, you're gonna die if you don't dance
kind of thing, right, and had this fear moment type
of thing. And then she went to her close friends
as they got close to her and were watching her dancing,
and she did it real quick. As she was doing
like a pirouette, she whispered in the ear and then

(01:25:01):
she spun back around, you know, and then other people
were like, holy shit, I'm gonna die if I don't dance.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Why better start dancing?

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
Right, And And that makes more sense to me than
just arbitrarily four hundred people in town just start dancing
for no reason. It would almost seem like there was
verbal communication at some point that in that path.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Well, there has to be. I mean, the original lady
danced for the better part of a week and nobody
walked up to him. You're like, why are you dancing?

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Of course they did, right. She was like, She's like that,
you know, the Saint Vitas came to me or this
came to me, and I'm you know, we're all gonna
die if we don't dance. As long as if she
at any point in time said we as opposed to I,
you already created massesteria right there.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
Absolutely, yeah, I would agree. I think that. I think
that there had to have been some type of verse
bole passing of what she thought she experienced, that she
had to have shared that with them. Now again, why

(01:26:14):
that would get four hundred at its maximum four hundred people?
I could see if that could I could see if
she was influential, that you would get dozens of people, right, Like,
I could see that, right, dozens of people. Four hundred
people though, I mean, that's either she's really influential or

(01:26:37):
people were really gullible at that time frame. In Strasburg,
you know what I mean. They were easily influenced type
of thing where she said something to the effect of, hey,
I was told that you're going to pass away or
you're going to die if you don't dance. That people
were like, holy shit, we better start dancing. I would

(01:27:02):
like to see you know, that's one of those moments,
you know we talk about, like, Hey, wouldn't it be
cool if you could go back in time? I would like,
I don't know that I would necessarily pick this particular
moment if I was only given three like we talked
about on a previous show. I don't remember exactly when,
but it's a couple of years ago probably, But I
think if I was given an unlimited number of opportunities

(01:27:25):
to go back in time and experience, like just be
a fly on the wall and see stuff like I
would go back to this. I would go back and
see just for the hell of it, just to see
myself like what it was, and listen to the conversations.
You know, like if you could be the ghost in
the room kind of thing where you know, you could
just walk around and you're not gonna bump into anybody

(01:27:46):
and nobody can see you, you know, just to see,
because you know, there's got to be an answer in there, somewhere,
there has to be an answer. I mean, could it
be a hallucinatory thing like off the rye bread or
you know, the milled rye being having a fun guy

(01:28:06):
in it? Certainly could be a hallucinatory. And I suppose
if you're tripping then and you see somebody dancing and
the power of suggestion comes to you to dance, I
could see where you would just start dancing. But I
don't know I would go back though. That would be

(01:28:28):
one of the ones that I would go back and
to check out.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Yeah, you know, now though, I mean when you go
all the way back down there, everything is word of mouth.
I mean right now now, all it takes is, you know,
for some political leader or somebody on social media, or
somebody in the media or somebody in the like the

(01:28:57):
news media, just to say something that it false or anything.
And it is so easy nowadays to create mass hysteria.
It's it's it's dangerous how easy it is.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
You know, I would agree with you on that because
here and I'm not an expert on this in any way,
shape or form, And I know we don't get into politics.
And I'm not getting into politics, but this is a
political situation. But wouldn't you kind of agree that a
form of mass hysteria took place, like when Trump said,
you need to storm the capitol or whatever, because you're

(01:29:36):
losing your freedoms if you don't, like, you're going to
lose your freedom, like you're going to lose who you
are as an American if you don't stand up and
do something about it right now. And then all those
people got all riled up about it and did something.
I mean, isn't that kind of a form of what
we're talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:29:53):
It's an illusionary, illusionary situation that is presented to a
group of people, and some people take it as at
face value that if they don't get up and do
something today, they're not going to be an American citizen tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:30:09):
Well, And isn't that kind of what happened, you know
when they stormed the great because they stormed the capital,
wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
Yeah, they stormed the capital during the UH.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
When they were talking about like the ballot, Yeah, when
they were miscounting of the ballots or whatever, and he
was bitching about how he should have won everything, right,
and again trying to get political. But I'm just saying
in recent times, to me, that seems like a case
that was kind of like what we're talking about here,
with with the power of persuasion from an individual being

(01:30:39):
able to control other individuals.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
So just to not get into a political ship storm here,
because no matter what you say, especially nowadays, whoever doesn't
agree with you, you don't have with me. No, no, no, no,
I'm not talking about you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
You and I can have an actual qua We can
have an intelligent conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Right yeah, I'm I'm right.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Like and I profit That's why I preface that is
I'm not trying to stir up any type of political shit.
I'm just saying that to me, that seems like that
would be a recent occurrence of what we could deem
would be something like massyesteria.

Speaker 2 (01:31:21):
Well you want a recent occurrence, look at what's happening now.
I mean, people are looking at Springfield, Ohio like it's
ground zero for cannibalism.

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
Oh yeah, with eating pets.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
With with these you know, with these Haitians, you know,
quote unquote eating pets, which has been completely debunked completely,
even the post whatever that started it has been taken
down apologize it's not even true anymore. You have JD.
Van saying, if I have to make up stories to
get people to look at this, to look at the

(01:31:52):
suffering of America, I'm going to do. It's like, but
nothing is changing, Like that city has like week, like
a week straight of bomb threats. People are certainly bond
threats to do the elementary schools because of this.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Yeah, it's just I haven't been on top of it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
But no, no, I'm just saying, if you want to
look at recent times like that is what mass hysteria is.
But and what I wanted to say originally is and
both sides of the aisle are a are horrible at
this or are guilty there We are guilty of this

(01:32:34):
one more so than others. But that's the whole election cycle.
You create this fear of what is going on, whether
it exists or not is irrelevant, and you sold the
thought that you are the only one that can solve it,

(01:32:54):
and you just you spread this panic. I mean, how
many time you see Trump talk about how we're being
invaded on our southern border and what I mean and
I think even Minnesota got involved in this and I'm like, no,
we're not on the southern border. I'm like, there's no

(01:33:15):
reason to bring us into this at all.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
So, I mean it's that just seems to be something
that the political spectrum, and like I said, both sides
have done it is they create mass hysteria and they
know how to use that. They've weaponized mass hysteria. I
would agree with that, almost to the point where even

(01:33:43):
if somebody is like, no, that's not true. You know,
this is the real facts you still have, You're like, yeah,
that's that sounds about right, but you're like, are you
making it up? Are you know?

Speaker 3 (01:33:56):
It's hard to discern. It's really hard to discern what
the truth is anymore more.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
And I think, and I think you can't agree with
me that people nowadays are so obsessed with TikTok and
social media and everything that nobody actually goes to look
up backs anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:34:12):
No, absolutely not. I would. I would agree with you
one hundred on that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
So, I mean, I I could say that you're gonna
get gentle to warts if you don't play tribute to fisto,
and nobody's gonna go look up at whether I'm right
or not. It's just nobody listens to me anyways. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
But but if somebody in with with a large listening
group said that a certain percentage of those individuals would
totally buy into that, it'd be like, Oh, should I
need to start doing this? If I don't start doing this,
I'm gonna get genital wartz. Didn't you hear if Joe Brogan?

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
If Joe Rogan talked about his podcast talk about the
God of all traffic and if you didn't slap your
hand and hit the dashboard anytime you went through a
yellow eye, you were going to develop general awards and
has been documented, right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:04):
And he was seriously presented it that way without laughing
and presented it like as a medical fact. And he's
got like whatever, four million listeners on a regular basis.
I guarantee you a percentage of those individuals would be
slapping their dashboard as they were going through yellow lights.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
And if they didn't, I guarantee you the to be
checking their privates they.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
Oh, absolutely, they would be absolutely And then you know
the worst part of that whole entire thing, there'd be
a fricking topa walking around named Fisto. That would be
the absolute worst outcome that can happen out of that
whole entire picture we just painted, you'd have this bumbling
ass walking around not knowing what day it was or

(01:35:50):
what the hell he was even existing for, because there
was so much thought process put into him by people
slapping their damn dashboards, running.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Out to light just be like, why are you? Why
are you here? They're hanging out of MIC'SYU. So if
you ever want to meet him, just go over to MIC's.
I believe I'm supposed to be giving people better sex lives.
I don't know what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (01:36:12):
You know, I'd be like Frosty the snow Man Happy Birthday.
I wouldn't have any intelligence whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
So I mean, I want to give this because this
is prime and this has already happened, and this is
an example of what we were just talking about when
it comes to politics. And did you see this story
about the mystery seeds? I did, And you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
Know what, that was a legitimate thing here in Minnesota
because I remember, back when I was still married actually
that they were talking about these seeds getting imported from
China and like they had never seen the seed before
and how it was gonna destroy our entire ecosystem in

(01:36:57):
the United States if you planted them, Yeah, you go
ahead and hit that one, because I'm going to hit
the mad Gasser.

Speaker 2 (01:37:04):
I saw that one.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Really but yeah, So the Texas Agricultural Commissioner Sid Miller
advised recipients to treat them like they're radioactive. Yeah. He
also speculated that the contents of the packages could release
a new virus of some kind. So this happened in
twenty twenty. So obviously COVID and people were getting these

(01:37:32):
envelopes who said they were coming from China and they
had seas in them and that's it. And people were like,
what why are we huh uh? And so it blew
up because they were coming from China. Yep, that this

(01:37:52):
was another you know, like bioterrorism and stuff like that.
And a guy by the name of Chris Heath he
wrote a piece for The Atlantic and he thought that
this was what he what was what is called it
should say, a brushing scam, and that is like these

(01:38:12):
e commerce merchants, uh could do these phony transactions and
they could raise themselves higher on the list, but they
had to have proof that they were shipping all this
stuff out.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
Yeah, shipping something out, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
And so they shipped these seeds out to just random people.
It was like jewelry and gold and other stuff, and
you know they wouldn't And so he thought that that's
what was going on. But then as he delved deeper,
and this is so friacking funny, as he found as
he delve deeper, is he found out that people really

(01:38:50):
were ordering seeds, right, But but it took so long
to get it took so long to get here, they
forgot about it, right. And I can tell you as
a delivery driver, that happens all the time. I can't
tell you how many times I've approached people like they're
outside maybe I arrived, when they're getting groceries out of

(01:39:13):
their car or whatever, and I walk up to them
with their package. I can't tell you how many times
I get I don't remember ordering anything, and then they
look at the package. They looked at like, oh I
remember what this is now. I get it all the time.
All the time, people don't remember shit. And that's how
much they ordered.

Speaker 3 (01:39:31):
Because they just order so much stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
That's why exactly. Yeah, they're like, well, I.

Speaker 3 (01:39:36):
Mean, if you only ordered once a month, you would
know that you were getting something a couple times a month,
like I do, you would know you were getting something.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Well, I mean it's not only that, as so many
people order every day.

Speaker 3 (01:39:48):
Yeah, you don't remember shit about what in it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
And believe me, I have people like homes on routes
that I'm there three four times.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
A week with people ordering stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
Yeah, people ordering stuff and in fact it got you
such Yeah. It got to be such a running joke
with me and another driver. It's like, if we go
three days without delivering to this certain home, we might
have to do a check it. Weare check calling a
welfare check because there's something wrong because we haven't delivered

(01:40:19):
there and you know, three days. But you know, but
for for people who are so used to Amazon now
and it's next day air and it's overnight and it's
two days Matts, you order from a company overseas where
it takes three weeks, you're not you're not remembering that
you ten other deliveries exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
Well you've already gotten yeah, I mean, you've already got
ten things off your stoop before this thing shows up,
Like the hell is that? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
And so this was a legitimate thing that people were
actually ordering them forgetting. But yet it's like the next
stage of bio terrorism.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
Right radio active, Yeah, you need to treat them as
if they're radio active.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
And that is your Secretary of Commerce of Texas saying
that that's that's not me on a podcast trying to
go off on some tangent. That is your elected leader
in agriculture saying these seeds should be treated as their
radioactive and might release the next virus upon America.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
Honestly, the first zombie that is ever there will be
mass hysteria, like it will be somebody who is alive
and perfectly healthy believing that they're dead and there is
zombie now.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Well, and not to get off on a tangent, but
zombies actually do exist that technically, you know, in Haitian culture,
they actually like that's they zombiefi individuals to turn them
into slaves, and that's been that's been done through kind
of like black witchcraft and and you know, not so

(01:42:12):
nice a means where you enslave an individual and they
don't really think for themselves anymore, because that's really the
general generic term of a zombie is that they're they're
not thinking for themselves anymore, that they're you're basically they're
basically a blank slate and you're telling them what to do.
Whereas and I'm not worried about those zombies. I'm worried

(01:42:35):
about the zombies that can run faster than me. Uh yeah,
like in World War Z that want to bite me
and infect me to perpetuate the virus. And that's the
real case. And and to me, that's the real zombie, right.
It's not like Dawn of the Dead where you got

(01:42:56):
or you know, any of the other zombie movies where
you've got the shuffling they're moving, you know, like you
could just walk away from them kind of thing as
they're you know that that to me, that doesn't bother me.
It's the ones that can run at like thirty miles

(01:43:17):
an hour and they're coming at you, and there's like
three hundred thousand of them in the group already, and
they're faster than you can like you could ride it.
You couldn't ride a bike fast enough to get away
from the type of thing. You know. That's what concerns
me because then now after I get bit now I
got to run thirty miles an hour and I got

(01:43:38):
a bad back, so you know, I'm not going to
be looking too good at thirty miles an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Pretty pretty sure, Dave, that when you're a zombie, you're bad.
Back is the last thing I don't. I don't probably
can't imagine that there's a zombie out there who is
like on a walker, like he's gotta I gotta go, though.

Speaker 3 (01:44:00):
I'd be the first one. I'd be the first one
walking with my walking stick.

Speaker 4 (01:44:06):
Mad the mad Gasser of Matun, The mad Gasser of Matoon.
So we're going back, not too too far, but go
back a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
Here September nineteen forty four, in the Great State of Illinois,
in the city of Mattun, that the individuals were alarmed
by a disturbing and rather unusual phenomenon occurring in their community.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
Late at night.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
The citizens reported suddenly smelling a sickly sweet odor flooding
their homes. Almost immediately after, they and their families would
fall ill or even become temporarily paralyzed.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
I find that to be very interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
The only explanation they decided was that somebody was pumping
fumes into open windows in order to incapacitate the people inside.
Now again, we're going back to nineteen forty four. So
we're at that the world's people actually did sleep with
their windows open to night, even on the first floor,
and didn't lock their doors, and they were perfectly fine

(01:45:07):
the next day. I know, people don't believe that now,
and they're like, there's no way in hell that happened.
It actually did happen. This inventive villain was dubbed the
Anesthetic Prowler, later amended to the mad Gasser. After one
noxious incident, a tube of lipstick and a skeleton key
were discovered near the porch outside of one of the houses,

(01:45:29):
but the clues didn't lead the officials to anything. The
small town of a tune was whipped into a frenzy,
with armed townspeople roving the streets at night. That's exactly
what you need, your own armed townspeople roaming the streets
at night and mass slumber parties cropping up because no
one wanted to sleep alone. But even after state police

(01:45:50):
were brought in to investigate, no culpritate was ever apprehended.
The official determination the strange smell was due to large
amounts of carbon tetrachloride used by a local d selgin
company involved in the war effort, although the company claimed
no investigation had actually ever been conducted, they didn't have
more than a few gallons of carbon tetrachloride on site.

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
They lose it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:24):
Damn, What the hell was that? Like, somebody just broke
into my computer and stop doing that, and none of
the employees had ever fallen ill. Still, the case was
considered closed, and with that the gassing seemed to stop,
which I find that kind of interesting too. Perhaps eager
to avoid incriminating a large local employer, the state attorney

(01:46:44):
of Cole's County at first discounted the factory explanation for
not explaining why it didn't affect houses right across the street.
That would make sense to me as well, that's just
common sense, like we talked about earlier. He expressed a
belief that while many of the reports likely were mass hysteria,
at least a couple were legitimate, but years later he

(01:47:05):
seemed to have concluded that it was all just a
case of public hysteria fueled by newspaper reports. You know,
this is an interesting one only in the effect that
people thought that they were being paralyzed. Like to me,
this could definitely be some type of alien.

Speaker 2 (01:47:27):
Like mass.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
Abduction, honestly, except I mean nobody, well you don't know,
nobody disappeared, right, I mean they don't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:47:44):
I have no idea why the tube of lipstick and
a skeleton keys even in this story, because it obviously
doesn't make any damn difference. Like if somebody's pumping noxious
gas into your house that's going to paralyze you, What
in the hell does a tube of lipstick and a
skeleton key have to do with it?

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
I mean saw that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:03):
It was like.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Clue, this is where you have the mystery machine standing outside.

Speaker 3 (01:48:13):
The Yes, yeah, absolutely, yes, a tooltick.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
This this, this story ends with it. I would have
gotten away with it two if it hadn't been for
you snooping kids. Exactly right, that is exactly right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:32):
Yep. It's the owner of the diesel engine company that
used the chemical for cleaning, that was trying to take
over and run for mayor because they didn't like the
current mayor, and so they were trying to incite fear
into the crowd. I don't know. I mean, as stilly
as that sounds, it sounds more logical than they found

(01:48:54):
a skeleton key and a tuba lipstick on a porch
and thought that was a clue and started pursuing it. So,
you know, it's it's interesting. I mean, to me, this
would be something more along the lines of this to Okay,
So this to me, honestly, and I should have looked

(01:49:15):
up like the population of Matune, because I'm thinking it's
a small town in Illinois, right, especially in nineteen forty four,
probably a small local population. This to me would be
something where the government would come in.

Speaker 2 (01:49:31):
And try out.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
Some some new type of warfare, right, like some sort
of gas that makes you, knocks you unconscious but doesn't
kill you or harm you, right, but knocks you out
or paralyzes you, right, that they could use in some
type of war effort somewhere down the road. You know, yeah,
I could see that. I mean, I mean I could

(01:49:54):
see that happening. You know, if the population is a
thousand people, eight hundred people, right, it's a small town,
that's a perfect opportunity for the government to come in and,
you know, conduct some sort of experiment on the populace
in general.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Well, I mean, I'm only half way through like season
three of The X Files, and they've already had probably
two or three episodes where like a small town was
experimented on, you know, by by our government or by
alien or whatever, and you have to do that. I'm
me be afraid you don't have to do that, but
I mean the military from the military spread, You're like,

(01:50:33):
you have to do that. If this is what you
want to use, you have to see if it's weaponized
by people who don't know that it's coming right, exactly right,
and and.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
So it's not going to leave any lasting effects, right,
but it's going to have a temporary type of effect.

Speaker 2 (01:50:52):
Right. And you know, are there people who are immune
to immune to it? Right? Does it? Does it? Does
it work more effectively with men, women, younger, older? I mean,
so yeah, they're they're going to go into some right,
they're going to go into some populace, and they're just
going to unleash it. Yes, and then they're going to
have some sort of fall guy that will be the

(01:51:15):
explanation as to why it happened.

Speaker 3 (01:51:17):
Right, which makes no sense. And then this and and
and in what we're proposing with our with our ideas here,
this is the perfect example of the fall guy with
somebody saying, oh, it's this chemical that this that this
local diesel company is using for the war effort. When
the dude only has two gallons of it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
He's only got two gallons of it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
You're not going to affect the community.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
With two gallons, Dave, Dave, not. Everything has to make sense.
You just have to find the niche, the idea. Ie.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
I'm with you, I'm with you. So it's it's I
find it really interesting. I think that this legitimately happened.
To be honest with you, I don't think it was.
I don't think it was a mad gasser, you know,
like it was a mad gncer, you know what I'm saying. Like,
I don't think it was somebody like trying that like

(01:52:15):
one individual or two or three individuals trying to harm somebody.
I think it's either it's the government did it, or
and this is going on on a limbit, Like I
already stated that it was something like an abduction type
of thing, So, you know, with some type of alien abduction,

(01:52:37):
I think it makes absolutely more sense that it would
be our government.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
So yeah, so I'm going to move forward into twenty sixteen, Okay,
because this is the most amazing thing that I've ever
read my entire life. So it's called the Great Clown
Panic of twenty sixteen. So, and I honestly don't remember

(01:53:03):
this so so, I mean maybe I just wasn't paying
attention at that time. But yeah, So in twenty sixteen, Uh,
society took its cold roaphobia, that's obviously the fear of
clowns right a step too far when it started a

(01:53:26):
bona fide panic about evil clowns that weren't actually lurking
behind every corner or sewer. It started in August in
Green Bay, Wisconsin. That's why, Mike, I'm surprised I'd never
heard of this, because obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
I'm you're a big Green Bay fan.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
Yep. So, the first sighting was in August, and it
was the actual, only real one, a clown by the
name of Gigs. It was spotted at Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Gags did do anything illegal. He just stood on a
corner holding black balloons and looking creepy. He's just well,

(01:54:09):
be black balloons and looking creepy.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
Uh. And it turned out that he was part of
a marketing stunt for a low budget short film, and
this clown demic he set in motion would last outlast
the hype of the movie itself, so I guess. A

(01:54:33):
couple of weeks after that, some kids in Greenville, South
Carolina reported a giggle. Apparently that's the technical term for
a massive clowns is a giggle?

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
Well, east, that is the technical term for geese, when
you get a gaggle of geese. I have not heard
that term used for clowns, but okay, appropriate.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
A giggle of scary clown standing at the edge of
the woods whispering menacingly, and you whisper menacingly exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:55:12):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
Clowns were said to be harassing children at a bus
stop and make may Coon Georgia. Similar reports pop. Oh,
now I'm starting to remember this. I didn't know it started.
I didn't know it started in Green Bay. I think
that's what threw me off. I do remember this.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Yeah, probab, they were everywhere. They would just stand there
silently on corners and ship. Yeah, just walk down the
street at night and not say anything.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
Yeah. Similar reports popped up across dozens of other states,
and yet narry evil clown was arrested, though a few
of those people were doing anything wrong. No, apparently, a
few people apparently did eventually dress up as clowns to
piggyback on the hoax. I remember that too. I remember
that people were trying to get this thing to go up. Yeah,

(01:56:02):
there were multiple arrests for false reports about clowns, So
in New York Times dubbed it a contagion. But it's
not the first time we've been affected by phantom clown sightings.
The official name of this phenomenon has been intermittently gripped

(01:56:22):
us since at least nineteen eighty one, from Honduras to
England and beyond. The sightings seemed to correlate with times
of social unease and moral.

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
Panic people have against.

Speaker 2 (01:56:39):
Honestly don't know, but like our good friend Ken Boggle,
clowns defintely clowns definitely bear of clowns.

Speaker 3 (01:56:49):
Uh, clowns absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:56:51):
And he's not the only one that I know that
has no I know, I know people do.

Speaker 3 (01:56:56):
That's why I'm I laugh at that. I'm like, you
should be more scared of like stuff that's more like
scary than I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
Well, then again, how can you laugh at anybody when
you have a Fearillion's dolls.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
Well I'm not the only one, though, Millions of people fear.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
Dolls, I know, and millions of people fears.

Speaker 3 (01:57:14):
Millions of people fear zombies too.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
I know Sena.

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
I already talked to Sena that she'd already told me
live on the show when we had her on that
the whole doll thing is because of some tragic thing
that happened in my past where somebody manipulated me and
scared me with dolls, and now I've got this irrational fear.
It's also part of the fact that my mind has expanded,

(01:57:41):
you know, thankfully to my dad, like I've said many times,
where he never ever once told me it's nothing to
just go back to bed when weird shit was happening
in my childhood home, and he would actually try to
witness it with me so he could try to understand
what was happening. And so I've I'm not one of
the children and who was told to go back to

(01:58:01):
bed it's nothing at your imagination. I was never told that.
So my mind's never been closed, it's always been open.
So moving forward to that, I know for a fact
like that there's some clowns that are not clowns, sorry,
that there are dolls that carry, you know, or can

(01:58:21):
carry some kind of nasty evil, if you want to
use the term evil energy. Not all of them, obviously,
but enough that they're out there. Hey, the Warrens, who
I love to death, Annabelle was sitting in a glass
case in their place for a reason, so obviously they

(01:58:44):
knew what was happening with that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
Yeah. I actually we were in the children's room at
the LaDuke last night and I saw dolls and I
was like, ah, I wish Dave was here. I actually
asked him. I'm like, if you could move this, uh,
like move the head or do something to move the
doll for me. I'm like, I can go back and
relate this to Dave and and he'll freak out. I'm like,

(01:59:09):
that would be amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:59:11):
I would too if you showed me if if you
were standing there with one of your cameras and you
were filming a clown or a doll, and and you
were and you said if you if you know, if
you move or if you do this or this, blah
blah blah whatever, and it did it. I can tell
you what my reaction would be. It'd be the same

(01:59:34):
reaction as when you first showed me the faery from
Iowa and you were. What was my reaction to that?

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
I was like, holy, you were you were excited, though
you're not.

Speaker 3 (01:59:50):
No, I wasn't. I was excited, but I would be.
The holy ship would be the exact reaction, except it
be more of a holy ship. Get that the hell
away from me versus a holy ship. This is really
cool that we caught this. Yeah, but the next.

Speaker 2 (02:00:04):
Reactionary type of thing right at the beginning, so and
and that next week it'd be like our longtime listener
Dave has written in this story.

Speaker 3 (02:00:16):
Exactly about why he's no longer doing the show.

Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
No, no, He's like, I have a question for you.
If I watched video of a haunted doll, does that
mean that the doll is going to haunt me?

Speaker 1 (02:00:27):
Now?

Speaker 3 (02:00:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:00:28):
No, no, no, no, better than that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
Yeah, I'd be like, Dave, for your own good shut up.
Yeah crazy, I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (02:00:38):
Yeah, No, agreed, I totally agreed. I you know, you
can show me all the dolls you want to. I'm
not going to run away. But if I'm on an
investigation at a house and there's somebody has like a
collection of antique dolls and they're telling me, they're making

(02:01:00):
claims that these dollars are causing the issues.

Speaker 2 (02:01:03):
Uh yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (02:01:07):
That's not my Yeah, I would, I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (02:01:11):
I got to bring in some friends, yeah, bring some
people with me, Like, hey, you're busy on Saturday, exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:01:18):
I've called you and done that before. What are you
doing this weekend? Why don't you come take a look
at this with me?

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
So? Uh well, all right, So I guess in summary,
really quick summary, just be careful what you believe. Do
your own research.

Speaker 3 (02:01:35):
Do your own research. Absolutely phenomenal point, do your own research. Don't.
Don't see somebody post something online and all of a
sudden take it as verbatim that it's real or that
it's factual.

Speaker 2 (02:01:50):
Please, I will tell you flat out, like I've seen
this a lot lately, where somebody will post something that's
like extreme against one of the politically and they'll be like,
this is unbelievable. I can't believe anything lost happen. If
it's true, they should really, I'm like you just said,
if it's true, which means you have no idea, and

(02:02:11):
yet you're still posting it. Right, You're not doing anybody
any favors.

Speaker 3 (02:02:17):
No, And if you're a person of power like somebody
who's in the spotlight as a television personality or as
a news reporter that's on the daily you know, national
news and stuff. Use your common sense for what you say.
You know, I think I think they're forced obviously to say.

(02:02:40):
Like for the news reporters, they don't get to voice
their own opinion. They're just robots that read script and
look good in a suit or address. But you know,
have some have some pride in yourself and what you're doing.
Don't just spread rumors of shit, you know, be a

(02:03:00):
good human being exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:03:04):
And in conclusion, just you know, make sure you don't
get general general awards by not not paying tribute to
fist out.

Speaker 3 (02:03:15):
Okay, there you go, and that's how we're closing the show.

Speaker 2 (02:03:18):
Yes, we'll be back next week with another brand new episode.
So stay healthy, stay safe. We want to see you
back here. I don't have a great night.

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