Episode 315 - Thresholds - The Odyssey Files Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:38):
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Speaker 2 (01:21):
Evening, paranormal community. You are listening or watching the Odyssey Files.
I am your host, Michael O'Neil with me as always,
it's my co host, mister David sawy Ring, who just
vanished it was no longer part of the show. Before

(01:43):
he can even say his first words, and he's back.
I'm like, and he's gone. It must have been your fault,
because I know I didn't even know it's my fault.
It's like I'm about to speak. No, God, no, totally

(02:07):
sorry about that. Good evening, everybody. It's good to be here. Yes, yes,
it is so missed the week. It was the rough
jake last week, so yes, and I felt like taking
the day off too, exactly. So we took a little
bit of a break, Yes, yes we did. But we're back. Yeah,

(02:29):
and uh still working on the website. So those of
you who uh are listening now or in the next week, uh,
you're waiting anxiously for the release of the website. Those
who are listening a month or two from now, you
don't care about anything. And that I have to say,

(02:49):
because it's already up and running. The only thing that
I will I will share because I won't really put
this as part of the site is we unfortunately will
not be able to go live on the site, but
it will be up shortly thereafter. But it's coming along
very very nicely. I think you all are going to

(03:10):
enjoy it. And yeah, that's all I'm going to say
about that. So there's one thing that I do want
to touch upon that I while working on this website
I found out and did not know about, and I
want to apologize because I did not approve of it,

(03:32):
and neither to Dave. And that is the fact that
our audio files for people who download from Speaker and
iHeart and Spotify and whatnot, I have to listen to
commercials as part of our show, at least before the
show starts. They have to listen to a commercial. And
I was very very upset actually when I hit play

(03:54):
on one of the files or whatever, like the first
time it ever, and I'm like, why is there a
commercial for home Depot. I'm like, I don't know what
that's all about, not sponsoring us.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Yes, I don't have like a home Depot hat or
like a cool jacket from home Depot, or you know,
a gift card from home Depot.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
So exactly. So the hell off of our podcast exactly.
That was a network, the Web network. That was their
way of monetizing our show as part of their network.
So I have looked into trying to like all of

(04:37):
the files that will be on the website will be
commercial less, but unfortunately, the most efficient way to do
it is to use what gets uploaded to spreaker, but
the video version of it which will be available will
not have will not have that, so you can always

(04:57):
turn on the video and then just listen to it,
as I know a lot of people do, and I
know we have some shows coming up that will feature
like some videos or photos and whatnot, so you're gonna
want that anyway. So looking forward to getting that all
out and available to everybody. But we have a great

(05:20):
show today. Dave has been waiting a very long time
to do Thresholds, so we hope we can do it
some justice. I learned some stuff that terms and whatnot
and what's considered the threshold and during my research, so
we're looking forward to that. But first, first, mister sawy Ring, Yep,

(05:42):
we have Yeah, it's proud to present the mail bag. Yes, yes, indeed,
the mail Bang the mail bag. Before we get to
listeners all stories. I have one of my own. Yes,

(06:05):
I found what was quite interesting that I told Dave
about a few days ago. And then during the second hour,
Dave has his own story that he is going to tell.
So so we we come prepared with with our own.
See what happens when we have a week off, the
spirits get angry with us. Exactly, you're back on the show,

(06:25):
you fools. Yeah, what are you doing, Dave? So as
longtime listeners of the show, or even I guess recent
listeners of the show, No. Back in April, my father
passed away, and uh, still working on stuff with that.

(06:46):
I guess you could say it's it's coming to and
it's coming to an end with everything. But uh, I
went down to help my sister clean out the place,
move the stuff up here. I talked about it, I
believe here on the show for a little bit. But
so I have a bunch of his furniture in my garage,

(07:07):
and then the furniture that I wanted to keep, like
for the newly acquired guest room that I you know,
Day's old room when he stay here is now a
guest room. And I used some of my father's furniture
for that, including his Mac computer, his Apple computer, and

(07:29):
he had a password protected as we all do. Yeah,
and he wrote down a bunch of them and I
thought I knew it, but it wasn't working. So for
a long long period of time, it's been sitting down
there on his desk, you know, since the end of April,
off because I have no need for it. Day's the
only one that's ever been here, you know, for one

(07:50):
night to stay over. So it's just remained off. So
last Sunday, yeah, I believe it was. It was. Ah,
I go downstairs to do a load of laundry, come
around the corner. It's where I see the doorway leading

(08:11):
into the guest room. Nobody has been even in the
room for like a month since his Dave was last there.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Yeah, at least it's been at least a month since
we got together and kind of binged our one of
our favorite shows exactly yep. Uh.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
And and his computer and monitor is on, like glowing,
it's on with the past with the you know the
password thing, uh wanting on the password And I'm like, okay,
that's that's different because like I said, it was off.

(08:45):
It's not like it was in standby mode, so maybe
like with like a truck running by, like a vibration,
moved the mouse and it popped up now off and
I turned it off and turned it back out. I
think a little bit. And you literally have to hold
the button for like three seconds before this thing turns on.

(09:08):
And this thing was on, so and I don't know
if I was doing it to myself. I might have been,
because you know how you get those thoughts in your
head and you're like, yeah, my father's trying to tell
me that he's here. You know that he's around. But yeah,
as soon as I saw the monitor on, who staging

(09:30):
charge like all over the place, and I'm like, come on,
I'm like, I just want to do my laundry. I'm like, now,
I gotta deal with this. But I did a little
bit later in the night. I did go back down
there again when I was gonna throw my clothes into
the dryer, and I turned on a recorder and I said,

(09:53):
I'm not going to investigate my own house. I'm like,
but if you have something that you want to say,
here's the recorder to do it. And I actually brought
found his password sheet and typed in what I thought
it was a password, and hey, it worked. And while
the recorder was going the entire time I was doing

(10:13):
it was on for like five minutes, and came back
upstairs listened to it, and I got nothing. So it's
a good but it's a good thing that I got nothing,
I think, So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
I thought it was.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
I think you understand. I think you understand what happened.
Oh sure, like he knew that, he knew that you
would understand that. He didn't have to say it. He
knew that you would know that computers just don't turn
themselves on.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, no, of course not. But you know, it was
one of those like did you just want to let
me know that you were here, or did you want
to let me know that you were here because you
had something that you wanted to say? It was one
of It was one of those. And obviously it was
just to let me know.

Speaker 4 (10:58):
Just to say yeah, because I think because up up
upstairs in my living room, I have one of his
photos and then I have his navy hat hanging off
of it.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
And came upstairs and kind of looked at it and
saw that the hat was on the floor, so which
it can't happen, but it's been on his thing since
and hasn't moved. So I'm wondering if he tried to
knock the hat off and that didn't work, because it
may maybe maybe a little abduce when I'm home, Yeah,

(11:35):
a little little lack of observation. But it's really it's
really hard to go downstairs and see the glow of
a monitor that should be off glowing. So I just
wanted to share that with everybody that I thought that
was an interesting, interesting experience that that I had. So

(11:59):
we have people in their questions, you gotta find them. Okay,
here we go, Story number one, Protection from spirits when
ghosts hunting. I already hate this question, so anyway, uh so,

(12:22):
oh wait a minute, we already did that one. I'm sorry,
that's what I wanted. The next one was kind of
the one we were gonna do all right, questions about
the science behind ghosts, and I like this one. I
classify myself as a big hoper. I'm somewhere between skeptic
and believer because I want it to be true. But
I've never had a firsthand, unexplainable ghost experience. I've seen

(12:47):
shadows and heard noises, and doors closing, But these are
all things that could have a natural explanation. Anyways, My
point of all this is, I'm wondering where we got
all the quote unquote science for ghosts if we still
haven't proven their existence. How do we know that they
can communicate through EMF? How do we know their chemical

(13:08):
makeup or lack thereof to know that they'd respond to
if we don't, and if we don't, why are we
putting so much time and energy into EMF when there
could be a million different ways that they actually communicate.
Are we just wasting our time stunting ourselves with what
everyone agrees is the right communication method for something that

(13:31):
we're not even sure is real. I feel like if
ghosts were real, it'd be a known fact, something you
could look up on Google and mister Google would respond, Yes,
scientists have proven ghosts are real. The only explanation and
the exception to that would be maybe we're just not
using the right tools. Maybe all the ghosts think we're

(13:52):
slow when we shove boxes in their face and giggiddy
when it shouts shouts out of work that even somewhat
correlates to the question we asked PS. These are all
questions coming from someone who has no clue about the science.
There's no clue about the science. The end of story,
it was the end of the it was the end

(14:13):
of the pace. I thought maybe there was more. So
this is actually an exceptional question, and it is a
very good question and exceptionally valid. Yes, because we tackle
this all the time, all the time. I mean, how
many times, Dave, have you and I argued about why

(14:33):
is in science doing this? Or how about this? Or
why don't we look at this? And honestly, I think
you're a little behind the curve with just thinking that
we're all excited about EMF. I mean, EMF is one
factor of what we do now, but I mean obviously
way back, you know, twelve fifteen years ago, Yeah, EMF

(14:57):
was the greatest thing, and it was the only thing
we had. I mean, when the K two went up
came out, everybody like blew their minds. Oh my god,
you know, these lights light up when we asked him
about it.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Well, twenty five years ago and thirty years ago, the
thing on the market was the cassette recorder that you
put the cassett in that had eight D batteries that
cost you twelve bucks a day.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
To run just chewed up batteries. Yeah, like they were free.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
And that's going back old school, because I still somewhere
have cassettes from my investigations thirty years ago. Yeah, I
uh yeah, yeah, that's where it started. And an observation
like a notepad really was the first thing, because it
was just you tried to observe something happening, you know exactly,
and then and then documented it, wrote it down because

(15:45):
that's all you could do.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
So David and I honestly could have this discussion for
like the entire hour because there's so much going So
I'm I'm going to try to wrap this up at
a very general marine type of way. So I honestly,
as a paranormal investigator, I think with the evidence that

(16:08):
we have caught and the evidence that like legitimate evidence
that has been caught, we have proven that there is
something out there. Now, if you want to call it ghost,
you can call it a ghost. I think a lot
of people would just because of how it how it

(16:30):
interacts with us, how it looks, you know, how you
know the feel of it. But if you ask some religions,
every there's no such thing as ghosts and everything is
a demon trying to trick you. So I mean, well, yes, exactly.
Or Protestants, I believe also does do that too, because
I've I've actually had a client talk to me about it.

(16:54):
She's like, I have a really hard time with this
because I was taught as a kid that there's no
such thing as ghosts. Everything is a demon trying to
trick you. So what paranormal investigators are doing, and I
stress paranormal investigators and paranormal researchers, not ghost hunters, are

(17:17):
trying to do now is figure that question out. We
have moved away from EMF. The I EMF is cool,
but as so many natural explanations to it that it
really has to be over and over, like science, over
and over and over. How many times we ask for clarification,

(17:37):
Can you confirm this? Can you do it again? Because
we also want that scientific data. We want that over
and over.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
Experimentation, rapetition, saying deal, it's a big deal in our
field is if you can get something to repeat the
same thing at the request, that's a big deal exactly.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
And as we grow in this field and more and
more people come into it with their ideas and their theories.
We are going to expand more and more and more,
and sooner or later. I have no idea when we
are actually going to breach, find a way to breach
that where it's turn this on, turn into a certain frequency,

(18:25):
and you are going to be able to do what
you need to do talk to the other side. We
are not there yet. We are constantly trying to figure
that out. More experiments, different experiments. I have one that
I'm trying to do with frequency and analyzers and all
this other stuff to see if it's a frequency thing

(18:47):
as to how we communicate. They can hear us easily
and we can hear them, but that all takes time.
So I fully appreciate your passion for this and the
fact that you you have these questions because we all do.

(19:08):
Just know that that's something that we are all working on,
all of us in the field, not Dave and I
and not you know, the people on TV or anything
like that. We are all trying to make that discovery
or at least help the field along the way, you know,
get that next step. So yeah, you're up, okay, So.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
You know, real quick, just to add on to your
point before I get into my points.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I think that white noise.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Was toyed with for a long time, or maybe not
even long enough in my opinion, but I think white noise,
like even going back to the movie White Noise with
Michael Keaton, where they would turn, you know, turn the
TV on and then put the sets in and let
it run and then record it, or do the or
do the looping of the television sets right and open

(20:01):
up this white noise channel where you could get things
to come through. I've seen some pretty amazing things using
that type of experimentation method.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
I haven't done it myself because I just.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Haven't bothered to set it up and it's kind of
cumbersome to have to carry, you know, two nineteen inch
TV you know, councole TVs into a client's house.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
But I think that I think that.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Avenue needs more exploration. And it just popped into my
head as you were talking about it. So so I
think this is an excellent question myself as as well
as you do. I think that And I'm going to
say this because this is my biggest pet.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Peeve and it's not all scientists.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
But if you, if you fit into this what I'm
about to say, don't be pissed off because you deserve
to hear what.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
I have to say.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
So, if you're a scientist and you are not investigating
paranormal activity because you are worried about what your scientists
or the people that are giving out the grants are
going to say or do, then I'm sorry, but you're

(21:13):
missing out on probably the greatest unexplored opportunity that exists today.
In my opinion, I think that if if science would
dedicate just a little bit, if a group of really

(21:37):
good scientific bunds got together and said, look, I'm old
enough now, I've got a ton of money, I don't
need grants anymore. We've been shied away from this, just
like fighter pilots are told that they're not allowed to
talk about UFOs, and commercial airline pilots are told they're
not allowed to talk about things they see in the
sky they can't explain. I'm sure that the scientific community

(21:59):
is kind of smothered by that same mentality of that's
just pseudoscience and fake science, and it's bullshit and it's
not real, and we're not going to waste our time
and energy and resources on it. But if they did,
we would be.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Much further ahead than we are right now, much further
and I.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Don't know that that's a fact, but I'm telling you
what my gut is telling me that that's that I'm right.
So we would be way farther ahead. But because it's
all of us people that are not scientists, that are
investing our own time, our own money, our own energy
into trying to figure out this incredible puzzle, it's taking longer.

(22:49):
So I think that we will. I agree with Mike wholeheartedly.
I think that we will find a way. I think
that someday there will be kind of like a ghost radio,
and I don't, you know, not a spirit box, but
like I'll just use the term loosely like ghost radio
here in their quotes for people.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Not watching.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
That you can tune something in and you might not
be able to have a conversation like we're having right now.
That might not be the case, but you'll be able
to listen in to another realms conversation and what's happening
in their world, like a fly on the wall or

(23:32):
a spy, and maybe somewhere down the road when that
when that wall gets breached and then we learn more
about it and greater minds just put time and effort
into it. Then maybe that next step will be limited
communication with the other side. And do I think it's
out there? Absolutely? Is it going to be in my lifetime?

(23:57):
Absolutely not. But I'm excited for it to h you,
And I'm excited that I'm contributing when I'm contributing now,
so you know, I think it's all good.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Other than that, what did I going to say about
this another that's a great question. I do have one
more thing I want to add really quick, and that
and this this UH person brought it up as well,
you know the line about you know, we get all
giddy as it shouts out a word that even someone Yeah,

(24:32):
I mean, obviously that's a shot to the ovulus and
it and it should be.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
So.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
I mean that The thing that I want to point
out here is that now that this has become such
a mainstream thing and that it has turned to uh
people trying to make money off of it, It's turned
into an entertainment franchise. There are now a lot of distractions.
There are and things like the ovulous, things like the

(25:01):
spirit box, those are almost never going to be a
part of any scientific study. When it comes to the
paran normal they are. You know, these these apps you
used on their phone that's say, for entertainment purposes only,
they are not going to be part of any scientific study.
And it's almost because of their at least I believe

(25:21):
because of their existence is one of the reasons why
science won't take us seriously, because we have all of
this garbage that's piling over legitimate people who want to
find the answers that we're that we're all that were
I shouldn't say we all, but that we're we are
looking for Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
I can't let you bash the spirit Box though, because
I've we've had you and I have had some phenomenal
results with the spirit Box and I've had and you know,
when we were at the Werewolf House, uh, you know,
and I said, how many entities are trapped here? And
it said nine? And I said, can you tell me
your names?

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Were Wolf House? Well, you know, I know what you're
talking about.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
I just throw it out there. No, no, no, well
it is because of it is, you know, and you
know why. Anyway, I don't want to keep referencing it
as the house that it is just in case. But uh,
I asked specifically, are you how many people are trapped her,
and it said nine very distinctly, and then I said,

(26:23):
can you tell me your names?

Speaker 2 (26:24):
And I got nine names and.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
They were male and female, and they were clear, you know,
bar don you know, Da da da you know. And
it went around and there were nine exact names given
in both a male and female voice. And it wasn't
static and bullshit from a radio station bleeding in. It
was legitimately answering my questions specifically. So I think that

(26:50):
the spirit Box has its place. I think that too
many people here when they first get it and turn
it on, they hear the very first thing, which is
like that little blurb of a radio commercial that comes in,
and they're like, oh my god, did you do that?
And then and they don't know what they heard. But
then everybody else in the room that doesn't have any

(27:10):
experience either gets all excited and then they just start making.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Up what they heard.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
That's what that's what needs to stop, really, I mean,
you need to listen to what it's doing.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
I agree the spirit Box has this place in an investigation.
It's not going to have a place in any sort
of scientific study.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
No right, they're gonna have to none of the ship
we use is going to have its anything except for
maybe video or or photography. I mean, but nothing else
that we're doing right now? Well re quarters, well imo, yeah,
but or yeah right audio yeah, but I mean they're

(27:56):
gonna come up with something, right, like some kind of
camera that will actually be able to detect the energy
mass come into the room. And there's been some you know,
I'm I'm looking back at shows. There's been some shows
and some documentaries where people have used stuff that they
have built themselves that kind of looked like it was working,

(28:19):
and there were other things happening that kind of correlated
it as to this might really be seeing something it
but and it seems like those paths never get explored further.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
As my frustration, Well, a lot of it, and this
is why science needs to come into it. Is a
lot of it is scientific equipment. But like we all know,
like science and medical equipment is beyond expensive. Well it is, right,
I mean, if you want a very decent flear, which
is a scientific instrument like it's used in real life purposes,

(28:54):
you're looking at ten twenty thirty grand right, you know
there's when you were talking about about cameras and stuff
like that. What came to mind. I can't remember. It's
like the EMCA or or whatever camera that reads protons
or whatever that read like light protons like these, you know,
microscopic things. Yeah, exactly, But that's an eight thousand dollars camera, right,

(29:20):
I mean, there's no wonder we're all using K two's
and mailmeters because it's like two fifteen under. I mean,
it's it's what we can afford.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
It makes me think too that when remember when I
approached Doug with I really wanted to have something made
that could differentiate like odors. So like when you walk
in and you're sitting in room asking questions and all
of a sudden you get hammered with this really strong
woman's perfume for fifteen seconds and then it's gone. You know,
I'd like to be able to document that somehow other

(29:51):
than a personal experience. And I remember Doug said he
talked to some of his buddies, looked into it, and
number one, the cost would be prohibitive to build something
like that, and number two would be the size of
like a bookcase, you know, like you couldn't make it portable.
So you know, again a good idea, just it's not
ready to be made today.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
You know, maybe that'll be something down the road that
they will use, though Mayo knows, you know exactly. We're
just going to keep, you know, forging, forging forward and
doing and doing what we can. So all right, we're
moving on.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Otherwise we're going to be stuck on this one the
whole hour.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
So all right, I was wondering, do half broken mirrors
have any paranormal meaning or broken mirrors at all? So
at my.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
Grandpa's house or sorry, sorry, so my grandpa's house is
known to be haunted. My mom played with the Wiji
board in it when she was a teenager and she
didn't know any better. We've had some paranormal experiences in
the house before. And the other day my mom was
doing her makeup with one of those tabletop mirrors that
is a regular mirror on one side and the magnified
mirror on the other. Anyway, we were sitting there talking

(31:01):
while she was doing her makeup, and the other side
of the mirror that she wasn't using just suddenly broken.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Half.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
It wasn't just a crack, half the mirror actually fell out.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Now, keep in mind either.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Of us had touched the mirror or what the mirror
was sitting on. And the mirror had no cracks or
any damage in it beforehand. It was perfectly fine condition.
It just suddenly split in half on one side right
in the middle of our conversation, and that half of
the glass fell off. I was wondering if this has
any paranormal meaning. Okay, so there's one huge piece of

(31:37):
information here that I wish you would have included, is
what was the conversation because without knowing that, it's really
difficult for me to like dive into whether this is
paranormal or not. Is it weird that you're sitting there
and a mirror on a makeup mirror just cracks and
breaks in half and falls out when nobody's touching It

(32:00):
wasn't damaged prior to anything.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Is that strange? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Totally absolutely. I'm with you percent. That is absolutely not normal.
Something happened.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
For me.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Do I think it's because of the Luigi Board?

Speaker 2 (32:17):
No, I don't.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Could the house be haunted, Sure it could be. Do
I think it's because Mom played with the Wigi board
one time when she was a teenager, scared the crap
out of herself, and then threw it in the box
and never touched it again. No, because there's been a
whole lot of other stuff going on that you'd be
talking about other than a makeup mirror breaking in half
thirty years later. So I don't know why the mirror broke.

(32:40):
But is there a paranormal meaning to it? Not that
I'm aware of. I don't know that a mirror breaking
has really any paranormal context to it. Broken mirrors obviously
seven years of bad luck, but that's not paranormal. So

(33:03):
m I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna say it's not paranormal.
I don't think the bag board comes into play. I
think your grandpa's house could be haunted. I don't think
that an entity would break the mirror to try to
get your attention. I think it would be something more
subtle than that. Again, depending on what the conversation was,

(33:28):
and that without knowing that I really I'm gonna have
to stick with my answer and say, no, it was
not paranormal.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
I I want to agree with you, but there's a
couple other things I don't. I don't one of percent
agree with you. That has nothing to do with the
Beji board. I don't. I don't think that their conversation
had anything to do with it either, although that is

(33:56):
an exceptionally valid question to ask. But if if he
doesn't know or have any sort of idea why the
mirror would break, I don't think that they were talking
about anything important, because it's almost always part of the story,
like we were talking about my grandpa that had just
passed away, or my grandma. We were talking about this

(34:18):
and then all of a sudden, the mirror broke, you know,
could it be them? I mean the fact that he
was like it broke for no reason, to me, it
makes me believe that he doesn't believe that whatever they
were talking about it had any sort of significance to
it whatsoever. I also, I'm nitpicking here, but for some reason,

(34:38):
I find it amusing to do so. There's so such
thing as a half broken mirror. The mirror is busted
or it's not. You have a half broken mirror. But
I get what you're trying to say. I'm just being
I'm just being a picky ass hat right now when
it comes to that. So, Paul Petty, I want to say,
not picky now? Are I guess my next question is,

(35:03):
are you sure that it did not have any sort
of crack or even a smidgeon or anything on the
other side. I mean, you weren't using it, so it's
probably facing the wall. And I'm sure you probably you know,
neither you nor your your mother probably examined the mirror
before she started to use it. But I mean, we

(35:24):
have all seen like a little smidgeon of a crack
in our windshield and then the slightest little and it
shoots across the entire you know, the entire windshield, and
now it has to be replaced. So I mean, could
this be an instance where a truck ran by and
shook everything and made a minuscule crack into a huge

(35:46):
one and finally just pushed it over that edge to
the point where it cracked and obviously would fall out.
I don't know, because again, you know, there's a little
bit more information that I think we can we could use.
I don't think this was any sort of let's just
say for the sake of argument, that it is something paranormal.

(36:07):
I don't think it was any sort of warning or
attack or any sort of negative thing. And you or
your mother it could simply just be a spirit trying
to reach out and maybe got a little overboard. You know,
maybe they wanted to move the mirror and there was
too much energy in it and it cracked it. You know.

(36:28):
That's another one of those things about the other side
that we don't understand. It's how their energy when they
try to do stuff, interacts with us. I mean, we've
often talked about, you know, scratches. Maybe they weren't meant
to be scratches at all. Maybe they just meant to
tap them on the shoulder or something like that. You know,
too much power went into it. I don't know how

(36:51):
we would experiment with that, but maybe we can one day.
But yeah, I think that there could be so many
more natural explanations as opposed to paranormal ones. So because
I do believe this is gonna be a one off incident,
I don't think it's going to happen again. I think

(37:15):
you're probably fine. I don't think it has any sort
of significant meaning to you or that should anyway. Moving on, Yep,
all right, this is an interesting one because I have
no idea what the visit about. Eight to ten years ago,

(37:37):
I was into the whole watching death videos thing, favorite
videos from YouTube or the hard stuff from Lively. You
never even heard of that before. Old Well, during a
few months period, there was something I had spotted that
was very odd in some of these videos, something that
I would catch the eye of. Every now and then

(37:59):
I would see it in a video than over weeks,
watch ten more than suddenly in video eleven, there it
is again. It was the coolest yet creepiest thing I've
ever seen. I instantly figured that it had to be
a prank, that someone was editing random videos and adding it. However,
I would instantly jump to the YouTube comments or lively

(38:20):
comments and couldn't ever find a single person mentioning this thing.
It always showed up just seconds before the person died.
What was it? Oh? Wrong? Wrong? What was it? There
you go, yep, there you go. So the most memorable
video that comes to mind is of a woman trying

(38:43):
to exit the universe. She's standing out a window many
stories up as people down below record. Of course, they
are suddenly there. It is far off in the distance
on the side of the building. You see this dark,
transparent cloth like inching its way up the building like
it's alive, and it's moving frantically. Then lady jumps right

(39:07):
as she hits the ground. This coughling, just goes limp
and flutters down to the ground as if it had died. Well,
that was strange. Another video was another video, was shooting
a video? It was a shooting video. Oh, it was
a shooting video. Okay, you're right, I just read that wrong.
It was a shooting video. I forget the details, but
a man shoots some people. Great that. Why would you

(39:30):
not want to spend your time watching that all the time? Anyways,
off in the distance again on the side of a building.
There it is moving frantically, then as soon as the
trigger is pulled, it falls limp and flutters down. Over
the course of a few months, I had seen about
four or five videos where this thing appeared, and then
tried looking it up and never found any information. Fast

(39:53):
forward to today and I seen that ghost video of
the guy going into his room and there's a black
cloth like thing on his window curtains and it shoots
down behind the bed. That video instantly reminded me of
what I had seen a decade ago. That thing looked
exactly like what I had seen. I'm guessing it was

(40:15):
just someone adding cgi and hoaxing people, making it out
as if the entity is around as if it feeds
off death. Anyways, figure it, I would ask here and
see if you guys remember seeing any of these videos
in the dark transparent cloth like thing trying to track
those videos down. I have not, as in before I

(40:42):
started reading this said, I have no idea what you're
talking about. I am going to guess though, one of
two things. I think if it were there on the video,
like actually climbing up the wall, I think more people
would have noticed it. This might be something where only

(41:05):
you can see it. And I don't mean like you
have like a mental handicap or anything like that. I
mean it could just be something that is there but
it's not supposed to be seen. Is it a reaper?
I have no idea. Is it something that is around
us all the time and you just not many people

(41:27):
are able to see it. I don't know. Obviously you
were seeing it in videos that all have to deal
with death, except obviously that guy that like walked into
his room. But so it's got to be something that
deals with that type of an event in life. What

(41:50):
I have no idea. I've never heard of it before.
I've never seen it. I don't think many people have
or there would probably something to be. There would be
something about it somewhere on the internet. I'm sure Reddit
would be all over that, like a rat on a cheeto,
and it's not so Unfortunately I can't. Maybe Dave can,

(42:13):
But my my answer is that it might just be
meant something that only like you and maybe a select
few others are able to see. That's what I think.
I mean, that's a perfect segue.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
So you know what, this totally reminds me of. This
totally reminds me of that the frenetic energy Tasmanian devil
thing that was at the hospital when I was in
the hospital, right the way that they say it moves
like in a you know, frantic type of thing. That
that description, to me is exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Like what this thing moved like. It was, you know,
this chaotic energy that just shifts it. It morphed.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Even though it wasn't moving, it looked like it was
just because of the way that the energy was flowing
through it. So I'm going to say that this probably
I'm going to try and find this now.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
I'm going to.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Say that this probably was out there, and especially with
the fact of what was happening in the videos, I'm
going to say that it's not a reaper, but I'm
going to say this is some sort of parasitic type
of thing that feeds off of death, which I think
is exactly what that thing was that was at the

(43:35):
hospital in my room. I think it was there because
there was a lot of pain and suffering and misery
on the floor I was on, and there were a
couple people that died while I was there, and I
was close to die in a couple times, and I
think that that thing was there because of that. I
think it was there just absorbing death. And so it

(44:01):
does not surprise me in any way, shape or form
that somebody would catch something very subtle in a video
that they saw. Now, I like your idea of and
we've said this a million times, is that sometimes when
you see something or experiencing something, it's only meant for you.

(44:24):
I can't tell you how many times we've heard disembodied
voices and we'll be standing right next to each other
and I'm like, did I know you just heard the
guy answer you up? You know, and or vice versa,
you know, or somebody like when we were at a
location for an event, you know, I watched this cloudy

(44:45):
the smoke move, you know, through a couple of classrooms
and then turn and then go to an abandoned bathroom
that had a shoot that kind of went through all
three floors, and one of the females that was with
me that night saw it. With me and the other
two people that were there didn't see it at all,

(45:06):
but one of them felt that something was off as
we were walking, and they when we got to when
we got to the abandoned bathroom, it.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
It was just small.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
It wasn't big, and it wasn't aggressive. It was shy,
and it was just trying to get away from us,
and I just saw it. I couldn't I couldn't stop
chasing it down. And when it got into that bathroom,
I think it felt trapped it And it went from
you know, four feet tall and two feet wide to
filling up the whole entire space and taking the whole

(45:38):
entire doorway and blocking it out just and it wasn't
a leave me alone or I'm going to kill you,
or it wasn't like I'm gonna possess it. It wasn't
nothing nothing like that. There was no negative energy behind it.
It was just a I think a reaction of fear,
and that was the emotional burst of that is just hey,
leave me alone, you know, and like if somebody screamed

(46:02):
stop it really loud, like if a human being screamed
help or stop it or something like that, and all
that energy came pouring out. That's exactly what it looked
like happened.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
And then it just.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Disappeared and we didn't see it the rest of the weekend.
But it was cool as hell to see. So I
think that I think that this person probably did see something, honestly,
only because I only because I can match this up
to kind of sounding like my hospital experience. So I
think that, you know, I think that they probably saw

(46:31):
something cool. Now, of course I do have to look
it up, so that'll be research. I'll be researching this
and see if I can go back into livelyak and
see if I can find some of these videos, although
I don't want to watch people getting killed videos.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
But yeah, all right, So here's an interesting one. My
fiance appeared in two different places in our apartment. So
for a little context, my fiance and I have been
living in an apartment since December of twenty twenty three.
When we first moved in. She would have terrible visions
about it. Old lady visiting her while she was sleeping.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
She said this entity was evil and wanted to cause
us harm. Our apartment is also laid out to where
you can walk through the bathroom into the bedroom, into
the living room and kitchen, and back into the bathroom.
Sounds like amazing. After about a month, my fiance had
her grandma come in and bless the place. Since then,
my fiance has not had any bad dreams, although they've

(47:25):
increased for me tenfold. Well, one night, when my fiance
was getting ready to take a bath and give me
one second because I got a bathroom. Ope, so getting
ready to take a bath, and.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
There it is. Sorry she getting read take a bath.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
I was doing dishes and I looked to my left
into the bathroom where she was just kind of standing
there staring at the water. I then heard movement from
the bedroom and I looked at the bedroom to see
my fiance come out. I looked back at the bathroom
and the entity was facing me, but it had no face.
It was just skin, but I could somehow tell that

(48:12):
it was looking directly at me, and I felt this
intense crippling headache. I fell to the ground holding my head,
and then it subsided, and my fiance was standing over
me with a worried look on her face. I looked
at the bathroom and what I had seen was completely gone.
A few months have passed since then, and nothing else
has happened until today. I've been out of work with

(48:33):
the torn muscle in my back, and I've been home
alone a lot. Today, while sitting on my couch, the
TV remote was sitting on my arm rest and I
got up to grab some water I got. When I
got up, I felt something hit my back hard. Right
where the muscle.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Is torn. Is torn? Oh, I gotta put these in
better order. What happens when you don't get downstairs and
when you got.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
A bad back yourself and you don't get to the
you don't get down to the office to put stories
together like I normally do so. Right where the muscle
is torn, I turn around and the remote is sitting
on the floor at my feet. The way it was
positioned on my arm breast, there's no way it could
have been flung that fast. In that heart it felt
like someone or something threw it at me. I want
to get my fiance's grandma back into bless the place,

(49:27):
but I'm afraid it would make things worse as it
appeared to last like last time. Any ideas, Absolutely, it
came to the right place. Got a bunch of ideas
for you. Number one, something happened and the blessing with
the grandma that somehow protected her granddaughter, but didn't protect you.

(49:49):
And I'm gonna say that it didn't protect you because
you didn't believe it. You didn't believe in what was happening.
And when you don't believe in something, don't get the protection.
We've talked about this a million times on the show
as well. If you don't believe in the power of
black turmaline, don't go to the store and buy a
black turmaline bracelet and then run around trying to conjure

(50:13):
up the devil thinking that the black turmaline bracelet's gonna
save you when you don't believe in it in the
first place. The same thing here, if the Graham was
doing something and you don't believe in what she's doing
or saying, or you don't participate, You don't actively participate
and claim your space. You just let them do it

(50:34):
while you sat on the couch and played video games
or watched a football game. Nothing wrong with either one
of those things. But I'm just saying there was something
important going on.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Now you're a.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Target, and that's exactly what I think happened here. That's
exactly what my gut is telling me happened here. You
didn't participate. Now you're the weak link in the house,
and now it's targeting you because you don't have any protection.
So should you get Grandma back in there. Well, it
seemed to work really good last time she was there,

(51:08):
so whatever she did seemed to take effect. Your fiance
has been perfectly fine. I would get Grandma back in there,
and all three of you should participate wholeheartedly in what
Grandma is doing. Okay. Secondly, I think this thing is

(51:28):
it sounds to me like old Hag syndrome with the
old lady kind of messing with your fiance. I think
that what you saw is not evil, But I also
wouldn't say.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
It's just a ghost either.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
It's somewhere in the it's somewhere in a blend of
something like that where I don't like the fact that
it took on your form of your fiance and then
turned around with like just a skin face and then
shot its energy at you to the point where you

(52:04):
were crippled with a blinding like instantaneous migraine and fell
to the floor. So whatever it is, it obviously is
either A is already attached to you and able to
attack you freely, or B is extremely strong, and I

(52:27):
mean extremely strong that it could somehow kind of psychically
cripple you like that. I don't really I can't really
say what it is, but I would get Grandma back
in there. That would be the first part of this,
and then from there I would continuously bless the house

(52:51):
and kind of bring in some things that you can
ground with and take back your space. We talk about
all the time, but I would definitely bring in some
some things that you believe in, that you have faith in.
If it's a holy cross, if it's holy water, if
it's crystals, if it's you know, a Buddha's statue, if

(53:14):
it's something Hindu, I don't care what it is. If
you can put your faith in that object or that
thing and use it to ground yourself and protect your space,
you're gonna be You're gonna be okay. But I don't
like I just I don't like where this is headed,

(53:35):
to be honest, So when I'm not going to elaborate
anymore because we're getting short on time.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
I uh, I don't want you to bring Grandma back yet.
I want you to bring somebody else than Grandma, because
I think Grandma left you out to die. I think
Grandma's blessing blessed her daughter, not you. So uh yeah,
and plus and I guess the good way of testing

(54:02):
that is to ask Grandma to come back in because
and see if she will, because if nothing's happening with
the daughter, she might not have any motivation to actually
help you at all. Right, that could happen to right,
So I mean I would bring in somebody to bless
the house, yes, more so, or more specifically bless you.

(54:22):
I'm almost thinking if there is any sort of entity,
it was probably trying to attach itself to your fiance,
and then when Grandma's blessing came in, it couldn't anymore
and attach yourself to you, and it's angry, and being
being a non believer, that means you're not putting up

(54:43):
any defenses. I have a feeling that your fiance probably
had some sort of open and closed mind type thing.
Because if grandma knows how to do blessings, then like
blessings paranormal, the spiritual world has been part of her
your fiance's upbringing, so she would have had some sort
of at least background knowledge of how to point this

(55:08):
out or how to get rid of it. I should say,
I I honestly wonder if that's where the headache came from.
Not so much that this entity was blasting him with power,
but for some reason when he finally saw it, he

(55:32):
I mean, what are you gonna do when you see
something like that? You're immediately going to throw up your defenses.
You're immediately gonna be on edge, You're gonna be ready
to fight. And I think that his sudden pain was
him blocking the entity from him and and you know,
kind of push that energy out. So I'm wondering if

(55:52):
what he saw was more in his mind than it
was physically there, which doesn't make it any less troubling
or dangerous. That's what I was looking for. It doesn't
make it any any any less harmful. Ah R. So

(56:13):
I mean, obviously this entity is wants to hurt you
in some fashion. Uh, for what reason? I have no idea.
So I mean I would follow Dave's advice. I would
bring somebody else in though, a priest something like that,
you know, if you're religious, or or somebody who is
more neutral to the family or to you two than

(56:37):
than Grandma, to do a blessing and see if that uh,
see if that helps, and very much so do a
blessing on you, because I think right now it's it
has attached itself to you mm hmm in some fashion.
So you're gonna need somebody to break that, break that cord. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(57:02):
You're gonna have to cut that cord, and then you
should be able to get rid of it. Although if
it is throwing stuff at you, and it is showing
itself to you without a face or whatever, it's probably
not going to go willingly. So yeah, I would. I
would prepare yourself, unfortunately, for a little bit of fight. Yeah,

(57:26):
a little bit of a fight, all right. One last one?
Yeah yeah, oh yeah, absolutely, we're not leaving that. We're
not leaving that one. All right, that's good call, all right.
I was a skeptic until I did a spirit box.
I just love this. Sorry anyway, So pretty recently, me,
my girlfriend and my little brother all did a spirit

(57:49):
box in my attic at around ten thirty at night.
I connected headphones to the spirit box and put them
on so when they ask questions, I couldn't hear it,
but I would say, what I here come from the
spirit box B Sdy's method. We did this for maybe
ten minutes, and my girlfriend is holding my hand and
my brother is next to me, and I feel them

(58:10):
both jump. So I took the headphone off as fast
as I could, and something got thrown down the attic stairs.
I turned the attic lights on to investigate, and I
saw a battery at the bottom of the stairs and
rolled it and rolled it down the top of them
to see if it was the same noise. To my surprise,

(58:31):
it was the same exact noise. We were all sorry,
we were all very scared, and turned the lights on
and did it again with nothing happening for fifteen minutes.
We gained the courage up to do it again with
the lights off and no headphones, no headphones on so
everyone could hear it very clearly. In five minutes of

(58:55):
us starting again, we all heard will you listen to me?
And something got thrown down the stairs again. Are we
safe to do this again? Or is this a demonic
presence living in my house? We are all incredibly scared
to go up there and do it again in fear
of something getting thrown at us. Can someone please give

(59:15):
us advice? Yes, I can stop doing that. Did okay?
So a lot of us we have been accused because
Dave and I are very anti Ouiji boord and so
a lot of people are like, well, when you use

(59:35):
the spirit box, aren't you pretty much doing the same thing?
And I know we all have an answer, and there's
no need to go into that answer. Just no, they
are different. However, one you don't have a demonic presence
in your house because one a demon isn't going to
be Will you listen to me, roll a battery down

(59:57):
the stairs. It's gonna stick it in your eye.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Suck it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
But what you are doing, and this is why we
have very strict rules in using spirit boxes as well,
is you are opening yourself up. I mean, especially when
you're young. You're not doing it as intensely or as
focused as a Ouiji board, but you're still doing that. And
the thing about the spirit box is that it can

(01:00:23):
bring in spirits from all over. It's not tied to
your home. It's not tied to your neighborhood. There's people
on TV, there's people at events who are talking to
spirits that they meant in four different you know, four
states away. You know. They're at the Conjuring House talking
to a spirit that lives in the Stanley, you know.

(01:00:47):
And so you could have attracted a spirit who was
trying to get your attention because it saw that you
were trying to make contact with it. I don't think
that it is a demonic in any way, shape or form.
I think it was just trying to get your attention.
So here's my advice. Stop what you're doing. You obviously

(01:01:09):
don't know what you are doing. And if you have
something happen like this, you're going to freak out every time.
So why are you doing this to begin with? You're
trying to get that that interaction, and then when you
get it, you're your mind is blown, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
I mean, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Understand you're not talking about you know, you're not so
much scared about things, but you're scared of something happening.
Just leave it alone. That's it. I know, it's fun,
it's it's very attractive to do something up in your
attic for free. Obviously, you guys are doing to the
point where you are you are attracting things, and that

(01:01:51):
could after opening up these doors and maybe not even
closing them because you're I don't know what you're doing again,
could actually bring in something that is not going to
leave as easily as you might like. So it's just
for your own safety. Just you, and no, you don't

(01:02:12):
have a demon in your house again.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
So three quick things. Number One, I'm going to bet
you this wasn't the first time they did it. Oh God, No,
they make it sound like it's just it's a thing like, Oh,
we just thought we'd go up there and try this.
This has been going on for a long time because
you did get something's attention, obviously, and usually you don't
put out that much energy to get something's attention that rapidly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
The very first time you do something like that, it
takes time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
Number Two, I think that you need to go back
up to the attic and apologize all of you that
were there that night. You all need to go upstairs.
You all need to go up into the attic, and
you all need to just say, look, we weren't trying
to be disrespectful We weren't trying to like cause any harm.

(01:03:04):
We're not trying to make you leave or to like
make you perform like a circus monkey.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:10):
We just were excited and we were curious, and we're
sorry if that offended you, And then leave the attic
right and just let it rest for a while. If
somewhere down the road you want to play around with
it again.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
You don't have to go to the attic.

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
If the thing's in your house, it's in your house.
It's not in the attic. Because we're gonna we're gonna
segue this right into thresholds we haven't done. We haven't
been good at segues for a while. Man, we're kicking
segways ass tonight. So, uh, it doesn't it's doesn't have
it's not trapped in your attic. So you can go

(01:03:54):
anywhere in the house. It doesn't need to be in
the basement, it doesn't have to be in the dark.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
It doesn't even have to be in the house. It
doesn't even have to be in the house.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
You can be sitting in the backyard at the picnic
table and do it and get a response. So, yeah,
I'm gonna assume these are teenagers. Yeah, uh huh, you know,
watch it on watch it on YouTube. Watch other people
do it. Watch it on TV. If you're really interested
in you, when you want to get that rush, watch

(01:04:21):
other people do it and let them take the dive
and not you. Would be my advice, you know, that
would be my advice. I don't want to keep golling
on it. So just apologize to whatever entity you contacted
that's angry, that was shouting at you.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Obviously was not there to harm you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
Otherwise the battery would have gone someplace else other than
rolling down the stairs. And uh, you know, get your
kicks by watching something on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
YouTube or whatever, and leave the spirits alone until you
get a little older, and then, if you're interested, find
a mentor and learn the right way. Would be my advice.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Fair enough, fair enough, all right, So segueing into thresholds,
I have a story to start with before we get
into thresholds. Yes, okay, So earlier this week I was
projecting out and I was doing some traveling, and I
found myself kind of instantly taken out of where I

(01:05:32):
was and where I wanted to be, and taken by
something to this other spot. And so I find myself
walking in. It wasn't the desert, but it was kind
of sandy, little loamy, rocky, low scrub brush type of environment,

(01:05:54):
kind of reddish, so Arizona. Yeah, maybe maybe Arizona. I'm
thinking possibly Australia. And the outback kind of like reminds
me of binding me a little bit of that too.
So I'm walking. I don't know why I'm there, but
something brought me here. So I'm like, Okay, that's fine,

(01:06:16):
I'll check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
So I'm walking.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
Everything's fine, and I stop and I'm just looking around
like this, and I'm and all of a sudden, I
look and there's an older gentleman standing maybe one hundred
yard fifty yards from me, and he's waving like this.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
And you know, come on over, and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
So I said, yeah, So I proceeded to start walking
towards him. And as I've walked towards him, I noticed
that he's probably between eighty and one hundred years old. Uh,
very very dark skin, very intense, intelligent eyes. I could

(01:07:12):
close my eyes and see his face right now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
I could. That's how clear it was. Did you did
you have a dream about Morgan Freeman? No? No, And.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
He kind of emotions to me to come closer and
come closer. So I do, and pretty soon I'm standing
kind of right in front of him, and so he
smiles and.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
He U.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Motions like to give me a hug, and I'm like, yeah,
you know, absolutely, I'll give you a hug. And so no,
he didn't speak at all, and so we embrace and
I give him a hug, and he's and I should say, right,
so he's standing there, no shirt on, kind of like

(01:08:00):
you know, like a Tarzan type of loincloth type of thing,
and then bare legs, no shoes, socks, no, nothing, right, so,
no weapon on him, no spear, no knife, no, nothing
like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
And he had writing on him on his body.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Tattoos, but there was writing symbolism and actual like old lettering,
and so he motions me to give him a hug,
and so I reach in and I give him a hug.
And it's this really really intense, warm, radiating, positive hug,

(01:08:40):
you know, like like what you would think one of
your guardian angels would give you on a bad day, right,
like that kind of hug.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Okay, that's what it felt like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
And then I let him go, and as I let
him go, there's an eight year old boy standing in
front of.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Me with.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Really funky hair, and he smiles, and I look at him,
and he's got.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
A handprint right here on his chest, like on his ribcage.

Speaker 3 (01:09:19):
There's a little kid's handprint about this big.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
On his ribcage.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
And then he stands there and I'm looking at the
handprint and I'm not looking at his face anymore, and
I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Why is there a handprint on his ribcage? And what
happened to the old man? Why is there an eight
year old boy standing in front of me now?

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
And then I felt this incredible warmth and I literally,
like you see in the movies, I got sucked out, man,
and I was back to where I was originally, like
back to our original scheduled program. I was back to
where I wanted to be, where I had taken myself.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
So this whatever this entathy was, whoever he was, well,
whatever it was, showed itself as a human man.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Whatever it was, had the power to come find me
while I was projecting and then draw me to him
to get something. And the only thing that keeps resonating
in my gut is that he that I had something
that he needed to complete like his rebirth, and I

(01:10:40):
have no idea what that was, but like he needed
something from me or somebody like me. He needed that hug,
you know, And by giving him that hug, I kind
of gave him the last piece of the puzzle that
he needed. That's what I feel like, like the circle

(01:11:01):
of life completed, that hug, completed that transformation, and there
he was like an innocent little boy again, not this old, wise,
really old man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
That was standing there. When I first walked over, it
was intense. I woke up crying. Sounds like he stole
your energy. But I don't feel that though.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
I don't feel like any I don't feel like when
I woke up, I didn't feel like I was attacked,
and I didn't feel lethargic. I had a great day
in the next day. I haven't had any bad experiences
since then. So and part of me thought that too.
Part of me thought, like in an energy vampire type
of like a way, that he stole from me in

(01:11:48):
order to accomplish what he wanted to accomplish. But my
gut tells me that's not what happened. My gut tells
me that he was missing a piece of some thing
that he needed that that embrace gave him.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
I'm gonna talk to Jody about it. I haven't talked
to her yet, So Jody, if you're listening, hit me
up on this spot on this.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Thing that I had actually send her a messages this
afternoon when she never responded to She's on the road.
She's coming back from an event, so should be around tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
But yeah, I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna talk to
her about it and see what kind of what she thinks,
because I don't think it was a guardian angel of mine,
but it was some type of spiritual being, and I
don't think it was a negative experience. Like I said,
I don't feel like anything got stolen from me.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Well, it obviously has something to do with something that
you had to willingly do, right, because it's because it's
not like he jumped at you to the latch onto you.
He was like, I would like a hug, Will you
willingly give me one? Right? Correct? Yep? Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
So he asked me if it was okay, Like he
didn't come running at me. He asked me to come over,
and I did because I didn't feel anything bad. And
then he and then we kind of just stood there
and looked at each other for a little while, and
then he and then he asked me, you know, for
the hug, and I gave it to him. Like I said,

(01:13:28):
it was a very warm embrace. Now, was that warmth
that I was feeling my energy transference of me losing
energy into him?

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Possibly? I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
I guess that's beyond the conceptualization of science. I mean,
if you really want to start looking at what science
can I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Prove, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
I remember watching years ago when the guy told Jason
Hawes when Jason and Grant were still together back in
the day, when the guy told Jason Hawes that he
would be able to take his energy and they put
the flear on the guy and the guy actually was
sucking the energy from Jason's body through his hand holding hands,

(01:14:09):
and you could see the guy pulling the heat pulling
out of Jason's body into this other guy like he
was drinking Jason's energy. So is it possible? Well, in
that situation, it sure as hell looked like it was
real to me, like it was really happening. What happened
to me, I have no idea but I don't feel
any worse for the wear. So, but I thought it

(01:14:30):
was pretty incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
So I thought i'd share it with the fans and
with you. Yeah, because I hadn't heard that story. No,
you haven't, because it just happened. We haven't. We really
haven't got a chance to talk much since this week.
But yeah, so it was cool. Yeah, I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
I'm gonna, you know, maybe I reach out the scene
of two and kind of get an idea to see
what she thinks, kind of throw it out there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Well, I'm sure you had this this visitation because merch
career grease in retrograde, and Jesus Christ, if.

Speaker 6 (01:15:04):
If she tells me that I'm hanging up, she tells
me that merchre is in retrograde and that everything is
happening past, president, future is all happening simultaneously.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
I was gonna say, Sina, I love you dearly. I
gotta go.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
I just realized I still got dinner on the stove
and I can smell it started.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Do you hear? Do you hear? Better? Get up there,
look at that. I got a thing. So, Sina, I
love you, but I need it. I need an answer.
I can comprehend very much.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
So yeah, to help me understand what it was, right,
all right, or at least get an idea.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Of what it was exactly. So I would like you
to tell people, Dave, to start off on why you
think threshold Yes are so important? Are are important? Thresholds
are incredibly important? All right? Thank you for those details.

(01:16:11):
There is a threshold, Thank you, Carol. It was an
awesome experience.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
There is a There are thresholds everywhere. But the time
that it really hit me was the time that we
were at the old Cholera Hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Oh, the tavern. Yeah, And I.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Even said when we were walking in and I know
you stopped and you're like, no, I'm listening to him
because he's talking something about thresholds and I want to
hear what he has to say.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
And I don't know what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
But something told me that that doorway was really important.
And we got some phenomenal evidence at that location too,
But something told me that that that doorway, that threshold
crossing that because it was an inn and it was
like a post office and it was like a little
general store that you could get a bowl of soup

(01:17:09):
as if you were on the stagecoach kind of thing,
and then colera hit the town and they were stacking
the bodies up regretfully, you know, and everybody died.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Everybody in the town died.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
But there's something about that particular spot that really hit
me hard with thresholds. So I think that there's two
things when I think of a threshold. And obviously I've
expanded my research substantially since that time, but there's two
things that I think generally come into play with thresholds.
Number One, a threshold doesn't have to be a doorway.

(01:17:45):
It's just an easy way to envision it. There are
many many types of thresholds, okay, and Mike found that
out today when he was doing his research, and we're
obviously going to dig into that as we move forward
here this hour, But thinking of it conceptually is just
a doorway for right now, to just to simplify things,
we all know that energy is free flowing, okay, So

(01:18:10):
why would an entity that's in a location stop at
the threshold and not cross over if it's coming. Let's
say that you're in the house, and let's say that
you're being obnoxious and whatever's in the house doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Like you at all.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
And it starts to change the atmosphere and you feel
it and you feel the need to leave. And as
soon as you walk on of the out of the
house and you cross that threshold, everything is lighter, everything
is easier, everything is feels it feels clean energy again. Right,

(01:18:55):
you see it all the time on shows. Well, we
got to get him outside, we gotta gethim out of
the buil, we got to get him out of the basement.
Well why do you got to get him out of
the basement when the entity that's in the basement is
nothing but pure energy and that entity can walk right
outside with you. It's not tethered to the basement.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:16):
So the first concept that I came up with was
thresholds are a territorial thing that the entity that is
at the location doesn't want you to be there, maybe
just doesn't want you to be there at all, or

(01:19:36):
maybe just doesn't like what you're doing. And in the past,
when other people have gone and visited, didn't mind them
being there because they were let's just say they were
being for simple terms here, let's just say they were
being respectful and just trying to kind of understand what
was happening there, and interact in a polite way versus

(01:19:58):
somebody coming in that's challenged and threatening and condescending and
agitating everything. And don't say his name because I know
you're thinking that you want to interject it here, so
you know, if that's the case. I think it's a

(01:20:18):
territorial thing. I think that the entity just wants you
the hell out of its space, and so could it
cross over that threshold and still f with you, Absolutely
it could, but it doesn't want to. It doesn't want
to expend the energy to do it. It just wants
you to get the hell out of its space, and

(01:20:38):
so it stops right there. So you, as us, the
human beings that are doing investigating, when we step over
that threshold and we get out into clean air, and
that entity doesn't follow us any further than that. That's
why we feel like we're safe, even though we're not.
It's an illusion, but we feel like we are. We

(01:21:00):
feel like we've escaped it, but we haven't escaped anything
in reality. The entity chooses not to follow you out.
The second thing I think about thresholds is that it's
a portal type of thing, where in certain locations and

(01:21:23):
certain buildings, at certain times I think that you can
walk through a threshold walk through a doorway. Again, we're
just keeping it simple right now, that you can walk
through a doorway, and when you walk through that doorway,
you could be in any one of a dozen different
places that you could experience a dozen different things. It

(01:21:45):
just depends on what energy you're carrying into the situation,
what your goal is, what your mindset is, what you
want to have happen, what you're willing to give to
have it happen, And luck plays a part of it.
Is there is that is that threshold active?

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Is it open? Can is the other side thin enough
that you can have a great experience with something that
normally doesn't exist in your everyday life for that moment
in time.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
And so that's and so I'll stop there. But that's
kind of what got me on thresholds. You know, I
think that they're amazing. I don't know why I'm still
researching them, so something is telling me to continue research.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
So I still I haven't found the answer I'm looking
for yet. But there were several articles that I did
come across. I didn't keep them because they really just
didn't tell me the information that I was really looking
for But they did mention about when you cross certain

(01:23:05):
thresholds that you can you can be someplace else, Like
you can cross the threshold and be in the spirit,
the spirit realm or realm right yeah, world, realm, whatever, or.

Speaker 3 (01:23:22):
Back in time in the same building. I think that
you can dimensionally walk back a hundred years if it's
the right timing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Well timing is happening at the exact same time anyway,
Remember we just talked about it. Yeah, yeah, And just
to confuse the ship out of everybody, I also came
across a statement that I guess I had heard before
but never really put into place or anything like that.

(01:23:50):
But they say, don't ever step on the threshold. You
have to step over over it. So and that would
be if you were to step on it, like that
would be the way to step into another you know,
step into the spirit realm to be someplace, to be
someplace else. But I brought this up to you before

(01:24:12):
the show that I never heard this phrase before, and
I think that it's pretty much like the technical term
for threshold, and that is liminal space. So I don't
know if anybody's ever heard that during before. I know
I've never used it but liminal space is a place

(01:24:34):
in the physical, mental, and or spiritual world that is
quote unquote in between. It's neither here nor there. And
these liminal spaces are what is also known to be
thresholds to the spirit world and other worlds in general.
So it's not necessarily taking you to the spirit realm.

(01:24:58):
It could be you know number four, right, you know,
something like that, you know, Earth sixty two.

Speaker 3 (01:25:06):
I think when Peter and I went realm jumping that
time and I ended up over jumping when he told
me to be careful and don't over jump, I think
that was kind of a threshold type of thing too.
You know, He's landing with Pegasus and the unicorns and
having a grand old time, and I'm over ready to
go to help and the mine cart, you know, and

(01:25:28):
I get a kiss from the unicorn like sorry, you
made it over the river because you're supposed to be
on that side, so audios, and me goes. I mean
it was like a kiss I see, you know, like
you're gonna never see me again kind of thing. And
then I get in that stupid min cared So I mean,
I think that kind of that could be considered a threshold.
You know that I crossed over one that I went

(01:25:48):
too far.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
I was actually surprised because I found this article that
talks about liminal space in the Thresholds, and it gives
you know, a good probably seven different types of things
that are considered threshold or liminal space that I never
really considered, and I even gave you an example, and
you're like, hmm, like really. In fact, one of them

(01:26:17):
is a topic that we are going to be the
topic of our Halloween show, which we'll be talking about.
But so physical liminal space is considered like a threshold
to the spirit world, and if you're sensitive to spirits
and energy, you might be able to feel or even

(01:26:37):
see these entrances easier than others. Adore to the fay
realm will feel light and airy because there's something to
actually like pay attention to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
I never read have.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
You might see flashing lights or auras around trees or
other objects, or a pulling feeling that might occur in
your chest or the third eye chakra. You may even
hear music or whispering, and it says keep your mind
and heart open. Now I'm done on those two, so

(01:27:13):
I'm never going to see it. But the first one
it lists and and I guess this this really does
actually make sense to me in a certain way. Is caves.
They call them underground liminal space, right, And you know
this this article talks about like how caves prehistoric times

(01:27:36):
and when you know cam that and and you know
the Incas and the Mayas and stuff like that. Uh,
caves were considered you know, an entrance to the land
of the dead, you know, the underworld. And they're talking
about how prehistoric ancestors left their cave marking or you know,
the cave markings on the walls. The Aztecs featured cave

(01:28:00):
in their myths as the place of creation, namely the
seven Caves of chickle Mots. I can't pronounce it chickle
mats A talk close a little too much c's and
os for my taste. They're in a Z. They're in
a Z in there as well, but they revered caves,

(01:28:22):
uh and stuff like that. So and it's in the cave,
you know, Like if you want to want to bring
up Hell here again, I mean you and I talk
about Pan every once in a while. That was that
was in a cave. So I mean you, well, a
lot of these underground caves where are considered liminal space.

(01:28:46):
I think that goes right back.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
I think we can reference that real quick, right back
to uh future experimentation with music and sound, because, like
we talk about at the Ranch all the time, there's
absolutely no reason that drum circle should have caused those
rocks to start glowing hotter in the portal circle that
was that was an ancient Native American site. There's no

(01:29:08):
explanation for that. It never should have happened, but it did.
So I think that some type of vibrational energy and sound.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
That's why I think bineural beats work. I don't understand
how it works.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
I think it's really cool that it comes into your
head in two different frequencies and the way it affects
your brain, and thirty minutes you're relaxed as hell.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
And you know, even using it, falling asleep like a baby.
You said, oh, listen to I mean I changed frequencies.

Speaker 3 (01:29:41):
Yeah, but I mean you know, when you first started,
you were like, what am I gonna listen to that for?
And then now you listen to it and you like,
fall right asleep.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Yeah, pretty much. I don't I don't know if it's
necessarily helping in any other any other way. But I
know that there has been a lot of times where
it's been a very physically hard day at work, and
like it hurts to even roll over. Yeah, and I
turn on four hundred and thirty two hurts, which apparently

(01:30:10):
is supposed to heal your body, And in the next morning,
I'm still miniscuably sore, but I'm ready to go again. Right.
There's something to it, you know. But the thing about
it is is I don't know like if it's at
the right at the right volume, because there's sometimes I

(01:30:31):
can barely hear it because I turn it down so low.
So I mean, it's just a give and take. But yeah,
for the past couple of months, I have not had
any I can only think of one time where I've
had any sort of trouble falling asleep or refalling asleep
after you know, I wake up to go to the

(01:30:51):
bathroom again, right, which is really really good for me.
So here's one you might not have can considered David.
Cemeteries and graveyards are considered liminal space, and they are
considered thresholds.

Speaker 1 (01:31:11):
So much.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Because they're talking about how, you know, people come there
and love and loss and how such a whirlwind of
energy that and it's where you know, you and I
both know spirits congregate. Absolutely the thing that caught my
attention because when we're talking about the place up north

(01:31:36):
that you and I both like to go to, we've
we've started asking and we've gotten responses like either whether
it's it's like a physical energy change. When we mentioned uh,
guardians and when we mentioned you know, I know when

(01:31:56):
Lauren was first developing her skills and she opened up there,
she felt this very like people like the spirits do
rounds like like you would like a soldier, you know,
protecting the place. And in this in the article where
it talks about cemeteries and graveyards, it says, you know,

(01:32:20):
there are spirits that are still attached to their bodies
as well as guardians of cemeteries were once either human
spirits or angels. That's not something I never considered. That's
going to be a question next time.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
But because it's being respectful of the dead, well right,
but when angel watching out over something.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Like that, you know, so can I I just never
thought of it. Yeah, I always thought of them, you know,
as as spirits, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:51):
Yeah, that is the people that are actually buried their
kind of thing, and why else would anybody be there?

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Yeah, exactly, or or an elemental you know that. That's
sort of right, the one, yeah, the one we like.
Defin they could have an elemental there. Yeah. But here's
what I like is when you cross the cemetery gates,
you cross the threshold guarding the outside world from the
land of the dead. Yep. The gates of cemeteries are

(01:33:16):
iron to keep the spirits from getting out. Yep. Why
do they need to keep the spirits from getting out?
It's like your your It's like a prison then, isn't
it iron bars? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
Sorry, my back is cramping up really bad.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
So oh, so give me a second here, that's all right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
So I I think that it was out of fear
back in the day. But when there was all the
folklore of like vampires and werewolves and the dead rising
and stuff like that that they would have used, Like,
that's where the iron gates would have originated from.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
I'm sure it's just tradition to continue to use them.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
Again, like I talked about earlier, I you know that
the spirits that are there are just energy manifestations.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
I don't think that they could just go down the
hill to the.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
River, right, they don't have to go out the iron gate.
They could just go cruise through the woods, you know
what I'm saying. Like in that location in particular, I mean,
I know there are some that are surrounded completely with
iron gates.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
Does that trap them in? I I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:41):
It's a question I'll ask next time I'm that one
that's completely encircled, you know. I mean, because the ones
that we've been going to and stuff, all of those
three of those are completely wide open. They're not enclosed.
They're not four corner sided. They're all net like woods
and river and hills all, you know, kind of surrounding them.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
So I mean, you know, they've got like a mother
nature type of barrier in that respect.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
But it's not iron.

Speaker 3 (01:35:07):
But like Oakland Cemetery right that that's right here, you know,
and uh it's not Roseville or is it Roseville right
in the corner, I don't know. It's right out thirty
five E and uh it is, Yeah, yeah, I think so.
So you know that one's completely encircled in iron. So
next time I head over there, I'll take my recorder

(01:35:30):
and i'll mosey around and ask and see if I
get anything, you know, I mean maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
It's it's definitely big enough you could find a place
away from the road and actually kid, oh god, yeah,
some some silence there. Well, there's I've got some absolutely
phenomenal photographs there that are I mean that that cemetery
is absolutely gorgeous. Some of those mausoleums that are in there,
and those those uh, you can't even call them a

(01:35:59):
headstone for crying not wowed.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
The one is like twenty five feet high and twenty
feet wide, massive structure. It's not a headstone, but that's
the one that that's also the one that has the
doctor who was killed by them damn engines engraved right
on the headstone in seventeen ninety nine. He's buried in there.
That's one of the coolest headstones I've seen. But anyway,

(01:36:22):
I digress. So I think that it probably is just
from old folklore. I don't think that that is going
to keep entities. But I mean, what did the Winchester
brothers use right anytime they wanted to dissipate a ghost,
they'd hit it with a.

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Tire iron or a iron poker from the fireplace.

Speaker 3 (01:36:42):
It's something that was iron, Yeah, right, Yeah, something that
was iron, that's what they would use, and it would
kind of dissipate the spirit and chase them out.

Speaker 2 (01:36:50):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:36:51):
Salt would be another thing. One thing I found today
that I didn't know, Mountain ash. There's another one that
works to create barriers to keep were wolves, demons, and
divines from crossing. Obviously, we've known salt for a long
time for ghosts and spirits and including demons from hell,
and then obviously specific words even exist for angels, which obviously,

(01:37:14):
again if you reference back to Supernatural, you know, putting
all the sigils and stuff like that, and angel traps,
just like when they used to catch you know, Crowley,
and you know, putting up the demon traps and stuff.
So does that stuff work. There's got to be some
kind of something. There's something to it. It worked at

(01:37:35):
some time. That's why it's around. That's why it's still
people still talk about it. If it was just bs
and it never worked, it would have died long time ago.
Nobody'd be talking about it anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
So, right, So this next one is something that you
know you had talked about earlier. Doors and windows yep.
So apparently our ancestors believe that spirits linger in doorways
and windowsills, and just as a door window protects the
household inhabitants from the physical world, they also protect us

(01:38:09):
from the spiritual world. Spirits are attracted to the living,
be it their luckd ones, or enemies, and may try
to enter a home, but sometimes they get stuck on
the threshold for one reason or another. It would be
nice if they would have gone into one of the
one of those reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:38:27):
Well, I can tell you a couple number one back
when they used to build real quality homes, going back
may let's say, one hundred years, when they would, especially
especially if you were in a Catholic neighborhood like parts
of New Jersey and that real strong Catholic kind of communities.

(01:38:47):
They when they got done building the house, the builders
that built it would celebrate life at the house, so
infusing love and energy positive energy into the house. Then
before anybody moved in, it was blessed by the Catholic priest,
and then the people who would go and buy the house.

(01:39:12):
Before they moved in the house, a lot of times
they would carve biblical phrases and or sayings onto the threshold,
onto the wood surrounding the doorway, so that in itself
kind of wards the house. So I can totally see
how if a spirit with mal intentions is going to

(01:39:36):
try to cross that threshold and you've got this kind
of warning sigil thing up that you believe in, and
you've asked God or a specific angel to come down
and protect your house and your family within that house,
I could see how that entity would get caught like
that in like a flight trap or spiderweb. I mean,

(01:39:58):
you know, so they would be spend it in there,
you know, they can't get in, and maybe that maybe
that screwis him up and they can't get back out,
like maybe they're in limble there. Maybe that's some kind
of power that we don't understand. Maybe, I know in Judaism,
they used to take the you know, like the ancient
Hebrew scrolls and they would kind of stuff them into

(01:40:20):
the door jams before they put the casing on there.
So they kind of warded themselves in their religious beliefs
to keep anything evil from crossing the threshold of their door.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
So do you know the name Scott cutting.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
Him Scott cunning him off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Not I don't. But so he's the only name that's
mentioned here. But and this is what I find interesting.
And I'm torn between I want somebody to do this
and I don't want anybody to do this. All right,
lay it on me. We'll see if I'm going to
do it or not. He says it's possible to step

(01:41:06):
through a door into the world of spirits, just as
we step through a door into a building or to
the outside world. Scott Cunningham says, to leave your front
door ajar just a bit during twilight hours, then peer
outside you may see the spirit world. I'd never heard

(01:41:28):
that before.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
I have not heard that before, so I don't know
if he sounds like a start of a good book
or a short film.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
Probably I don't think that that. I don't think that
that would work. Maybe it's the whole belief thing. Maybe
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
See, I don't know that I could get behind that
even in the first place, so therefore it probably wouldn't
work for me at all.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
No, probably not me either. Yeah, you know. And it
doesn't say how long to leave it. It just says
sometime later, peer outside, right and see what the spirit
world see An alternative universe up here right in my
front yard because I left my door jar. I don't know,
I understand. I just I'm saying I can't get behind that.

(01:42:19):
I think it takes more than leaving your door cracked
in order to open a portal into another realm.

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
I'm sorry. Maybe I'm being a little naive here. I
think it takes just a little bit more energy than that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Who knows. Maybe it's it's all about the intent. Maybe
if I open up the door crack because I want,
you know, to let some air out and air in,
get some circulation, then yeah, I'm not going to look
out the window or look out the door at a couple,
you know, in an hour or whatever and see the
spirit world. No, right, But maybe if my intent is
to do that, that so anyway, the next the next threshold,

(01:43:02):
and in this it adds in a bunch of other things.
And and this is really important to me because I've
been asking this question for a very long time, and
but this one, the liminal space is the edge of
the woods. Sorry, sorry, so.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
You can hear that the hot water heater was kicking on.

Speaker 2 (01:43:23):
Sorry, just thought maybe you were taking a whizz or something.
Just all of a sudden decided it was time to
warm up. Gotcha. So it starts off this thing about
the edge of the woods, with corners, edges, doorways, all

(01:43:44):
of these things have a common factor. They mark the
perimeter of a place. And you were talking earlier about
how why doesn't the spirit just walk outside with with
them and continue its attack, And that's exactly what that
reminded me of, is well, maybe it doesn't need to

(01:44:05):
because all at once is that perimeter of the room
that it's in. And that very well could be. But
you know, and I post this question to you, and
I don't really know the answer yet, But if a
threshold is a corner, because it marks the perimeter of something,

(01:44:25):
maybe that's why spirits are always seen standing in the corner,
because they can't go anyplace else. They can't cross the
threshold beyond that corner. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:44:38):
I don't know if it's a possibility. I mean, spirits
love And I don't know why this is. And I've
seen spirits in the middle of the day. I've seen
them in antique stores, and I mean I've seen them
all over the place. I've seen them at cemeteries in
the middle of the day, and old hotels.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
But I don't know why. It seems like.

Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
The majority of the time when we see actually see
an apparition, it's either in the corner like you just said,
or it's in the basement, or it's in the attic,
or it's in a closet, Like, get the hell out
of those spaces and get out in the open, you know,
go open the back there on a nice day, right,

(01:45:24):
get the hell out of the closet. I hate that shit, man,
It's just mental PTSD from when I was a.

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
Kid, But I know I hate that so rollers exactly. So,
the edge of the woods marks the beginning or the
end of a group of trees, plants, and animals. It's
teeming with the spirits of the nature, like ferries and
tree spirits, forest guardians, the green man, and more. Now,

(01:45:54):
what's the green man?

Speaker 3 (01:45:56):
That's like an element I would say that's like a
generic term for and elemental is.

Speaker 2 (01:46:02):
It's got a link, but I haven't linked on I
clicked on it. So therefore, when you cross the threshold
into the woods, you cross into the forced spirit realm.
And it says we've all heard stories of people getting
lost in the woods and experiencing creepy things yep, and
it says I wonder if this is because the forest

(01:46:24):
spirits are feeling territorial.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
So for many modern Pagans, the green man is used
as a symbol of seasonal renewal and ecological awareness. In Wicca,
the green Man has often been used as a representation
of a horned god, a secreatic debt deity that incorporates
aspect of, among others, the Celtic Cunarus and the Greek Pan.

(01:46:51):
There's Pan again, m hm, well, Pan would make sense
to me as the green Man is part of like
rebirth and stuff like that. There's actually a lot of
stuff on it. Maybe it'll be a future show.

Speaker 2 (01:47:04):
Maybe we've talked about like glimmer Man stuff like that. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
Actually you see a lot of it in symbolism in
architecture too, Like I just glancing at it here. There's
a lot of architecture that has this Celtic face of
what the green Man is. So it's actually an article
here from the Library of Congress talking about the green band.
So anyway, you know, that could be a future show.

(01:47:29):
But go ahead, sorry, you mean.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
That's all right since you mentioned the Celks, Celtics or whatever,
I'll just do this one. The seashore and beaches of
all kinds are known as liminal places. They bridge the
gap between the Earth and the ocean. It is another

(01:47:57):
powerful threshold of the spirit world. The ancient Celts believed
that the spirit world was under the ocean. In addition,
we all know that water is a conduit for spirits,
which adds to the sacredness of the seashore. Elemental spirit
This is I didn't know this either, and I'd like
your take on Elemental spirits gather at the seashore and

(01:48:22):
are more active during a full moon. Ever heard of
ghosts along the seashore? Yes, we have. It's no wonder
there are ghost ships and spirits seen walking along the beach.
I don't know if ghost ships are seen walking along
the beach, but you know, I get most.

Speaker 3 (01:48:39):
Likely not, but you never know, right, I mean, don't
be judgmental now, but I would Well, we don't live
anywhere near an ocean, so that would be a difficult
thing for us to investigate.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
Well, the ocean, sure, but I mean they're talking about
seashore and beaches. I mean what about all of our lakes?

Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
So I mean we could go find a beach like
you know that we could go to at night.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
And just kind of see if what the energy's like.

Speaker 3 (01:49:05):
I will say this, and I've had people tell me
this for a long time, and I don't know if
this has anything to do with what we're talking about,
but it's interesting, so I'll mention it. I can go
to the I love the ocean for some reason, like
I'm when I'm cremated. When I die and get cremated,
I want my remains thrown in the ocean.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
But like when I I can go to the ocean.

Speaker 3 (01:49:31):
There's many instances of this and it's completely calm, like
little tiny lap waves, just little itty bitty lap waves
coming in and I get there and I'm like, oh man,
it's nice to be here and get it, kids all
set up or whoever I'm with whatever, and then go
out and put my feet in the ocean. And as
soon as I do, like two to three footers, the

(01:49:55):
crashing on the shore like and it has happened more
times than I would like to admit, and I don't
believe in coincidences, so I don't know if there's some
sort of energy there that like it doesn't like my
energy and so every time I'm there, it's like, I
don't want you to hear kind of things.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:50:14):
I know, I'm reaching to some that's some distant reach
right there. But I thought i'd mentioned it since we're
talking about, you know, the gathering of spirits and Faye
and mythical creatures at the ocean seashore.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
Yeah. I mean the reason that it's that seems interesting
to me is because, I mean, how many different shows
have like angels meeting at meeting at the shoreline. Yeah,
you know, that was the big thing, is that the
angels always come and they stand in the shoreline at dawn, yeah,

(01:50:50):
you know, and stuff like it. And so it kind
of it was interesting to me that, you know that
they would talk about how elementals and stuff like that
gather at the shore line line or or more active
during during the full moon. I mean they probably do,
you know. I mean, I'm sure it probably happens. I mean,

(01:51:11):
there's got to be definitely no better like energy generator
than the waves of the ocean, ocean, right than the
rays of the ocean. I mean, it could be why
you know, Duluth and Long the Lake Superior, you know,
is so active and haunted just because of all the

(01:51:34):
deaths and all the energy and the sheer massiveness of
the lake and depth, the depth in the gold all
great things. I'm telling you what I'll never forget.

Speaker 3 (01:51:49):
When I'm up there years and years ago visiting Sam
and she takes me to Black Beach and it's like
eighty six degrees in July.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
Oh, we got our suits on and where I've never
seen Black Beach before, and I'm like, this is so cool.
In the water there is just gin clear and it's
only about two feet deep. And I'm like, dude, and
she's like dad, and I'm like what.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
And I jump in the lake and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (01:52:22):
And I jumped right back out of the lake and
I'm like, how can it be this cold on an
eighty six degrees sunny day when it's only two feet deep?

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
It was like forty degrees. I'm like, what is happening
to this lake? It was crazy. It's the craziest thing.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
It's one of the craziest water things I've ever experienced
in my life. I was in that water for like
thirty seconds and when I got out, my legs were numb.
I have no idea how that water was that cold
and it was such a beautiful day and the sun
beaten down on shallow water.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
I have no idea how was that cold? I don't
understand it.

Speaker 7 (01:52:59):
But anyway, well, here's something you will understand, because you
won't find this at all surprising, is that one of
one of the thresholds in liminal spaces.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
Are mirrors. Oh. Absolutely, hy. They talked about how obviously
their their thresholds or doorways to the spirit world. We
talk about that all the time, you know, people and
families and stuff, especially not so much recent times, although

(01:53:34):
some people still do where they cover the mirrors after
someone in the family dies to be sent with soul
from getting trapped the murder house. Yeah, right into my head.
I love how many it says here many people refuse
to keep mirrors in their bedrooms because mirrors quote unquote
freaked them out. And they put a parentheses here, And

(01:53:57):
I really want to address this just because it's like, wow,
this is to be honest, I have three plus mirrors
in my bedroom and I've never had a problem. Why
do you need three plus mirrors in one room? Like arrogance?
That's crazy, vanity, It's got to be.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
I will tell you this, if I bought like the
next house I buy, If I buy and like the
master bedroom has those mirrored closet doors, that's the first
thing that's leaving guarantee you you will see them for
with a They'll be nicely laid out at the edge
of the driveway with a free sign on them. And
I just won't have doors on my closet for a

(01:54:38):
while until I buy some new ones that I like.
There is no way in hell I would sleep in
a room with mirrored closet doors.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:48):
Way too much glass, way too much reflection, way too
much opportunity for something to come creeping in. Honestly, Yeah,
not gonna not giving you that easy of an avenue
to get to me. I have no mirrors my bedroom,
by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
I have the one in the back of my door,
but that's it. I have none. I haven't had a
mirror in my bedroom since I was a little kid.
Another reason. Yeah, and the only reason that you're there
is because it was there when I moved in. But
this this article mentioned Myrtle's plantation and that haunted mirror.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
Yep, a lot of paradilia, But I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
But that's not to say that some of it isn't
a legitimate catch, right, I'm not saying it's not possible.
I'm saying, but it is exactly it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
sorry paradolia.

Speaker 3 (01:55:37):
Yeah so, but I you know, like anything, right, if
there's a thousand photographs taken. Out of that thousand, there's
five or eight that are legitimate, it's just which five
or eight are legitimate and which nine hundred and ninety
six of them aren't. You know, because you think you
see something in it, and then you tell people what you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
See, and then right away they see it too.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
Then even we do that to each other, you know,
what do you think that looks like?

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
Wow, it looks like a guy.

Speaker 3 (01:56:04):
I can see his nose and his ear, and yeah
I see that too.

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
Yeah. There there are some things in here, and I'm
only gonna gonna tell you. I'm not going to go
into any detail, just because I don't know if I
necessarily believe in these things as being like thresholds, especially
since there's only four minus left.

Speaker 3 (01:56:26):
But I want to throw in at the end here
to take about a minute and a half, So okay,
a minute and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
We'll do fist festivals and marketplaces, groves like a grove
of trees, edge groves, so like when people have like
those big edges, oh, like the like in England with
those big gardens. Yeah, exactly, abandoned places, as liminals say.

(01:56:56):
This is where I think it's more arrogance than anything.
Is why would an abandoned place be a liminal space?
And he says, look at it this way. There are
there are they are places that but are no longer
used by humans, so they're technically no longer places in
the human eye. Therefore they have no They're neither here

(01:57:20):
nor there, which makes them a threshold. Doesn't make sense
at all. The only thing that makes it a little
bit of sense, because I get it, is that a
lot of spirits congregate there, and they do because there's
no humans there space for them. So yeah. And then

(01:57:42):
the only thing that I waited till the end for
because it's going to be a future show in a
couple of weeks, is they consider the Crossroads to be
the ultimate liminal space because there are several deities, there
are several spirits, There are a lot of a lot
of paranormal association with Crossroads, and we are going to

(01:58:07):
be talking about the crossroads and the crossroad demon and
everything like that in a couple of weeks for a
Halloween show. Ye. So at that said mister sorry in
two minutes, got Carol, great move no mirrors in your bedroom?
I love it? Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:58:22):
So this is ways to strengthen a threshold at your home,
all right, easy? So the more truly a home is
a home that's stronger. The threshold tends to be for instant,
a private home built with the idea imprinted in every
piece of it is that it is a home, so
that from the moment it is finished, it has the

(01:58:42):
start of a threshold. When families move in, the love,
the energy, the companionship, all of that strengthens the surroundings.
It also strengthens that threshold from negative or parasitic type
entities to have easy access to get into your space

(01:59:04):
hotel rooms, offices, and other public buildings generally, and this
would make sense if you think about it, don't have
strong thresholds, because that's the feeling that I got when
we were talking going back to the beginning, when we
were talking about the general store and the stagecoach and
stuff on.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
The cholera outbreak.

Speaker 3 (01:59:21):
So that had so many people coming through it that
there wasn't any type of strength to that threshold. It
felt me like it was just spirits constantly walking in
and out non stop.

Speaker 2 (01:59:34):
What else I want to say.

Speaker 3 (01:59:35):
The longer threshold is occupied in a home, the stronger
the threshold tends to be. So year one you move in,
it's going to be strong with a lot of love
in the family. Year ten, with that continued love and
family and companionship and great moments that you experience is
going to be substantially stronger. That goes hand in hand

(01:59:55):
with the longer you've lived in a house, the stronger
the threshold is. The more people live together, the more
the bond becomes greater. And then the more cumulative emotions
and personal history over time that reinforced a sense of
unity and safety inside a home, especially across multiple generations,

(02:00:17):
the stronger the threshold tends to be. So that would
be a perfect example of what I was talking about.
When they were building houses one hundred years ago, and
they gave it a love like the builders cast it
off to the new owner with this great party and
a lot of love and positivity. Then a priest came
in and blessed it. Then the homeowners like, let's just

(02:00:38):
say that they carved some sayings out of the Bible
into the doorframe, and then they lived there and had
a beautiful life and a beautiful family, and then multiple
generations live there. There's not going to be any parasitic
entities create across that threshold. It ain't going to happen.
It's going to be one of those moments like we
talk about all the time, right the path of least resistance.

Speaker 2 (02:01:00):
They're going to come to that.

Speaker 3 (02:01:01):
Doorway and be like, yeah, whatever, look it down the street,
see that one right there on the left, Let's go
over there. And that's what's going to happen. So there
is ways to strengthen your threshold if you believe in it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
I do so.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
I strengthened mine all the time. If you believe in it,
there are ways to strengthen it. So love, positivity, caring, sharing,
all the good stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
Absolutely. Still with that said, why don't you get I
was just gonna say why I was just going to say,
why don't you go ahead and tell people who we
have on next week? We do so.

Speaker 3 (02:01:39):
A friend of mine who lives out in the Sedona
area incredible woman is a wealth of knowledge. Doctor Kathy
Chapman is going to be our guest next week for
the full two hours. She is going to discuss everything
from healing word to probably her UFO sightings and everything

(02:02:06):
in between.

Speaker 2 (02:02:07):
And her doctor or PhD comes to metaphysics. Yeah, and
her PhD right is in metaphysics, so should be an
exceptional g healer.

Speaker 3 (02:02:18):
I mean she's she does everything. She's a phenomenal person
to talk to. So it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
Great to have around for two hours. Yeah, it's gonna
be a great interview. Everybody's gonna learn so much. I'm
sure I'm going to crack some uh inappropriate jokes.

Speaker 3 (02:02:31):
That's sorry. I already warned about you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:34):
As you should have. So that does for a show
this week. As Dave said, we'll be back next week
with a brand new episode. So until then, stay healthy,
stay safe. We want to see you back here. Everybody,
have a great evening.

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