Episode 317 - Dr_ Cathy Chapman_ Part 2 - The Odyssey Files Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fish.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I bid.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Good evening paranoral community, and thank you for partaking here
in the Honesty Files. I'm your host, Michael O'Neill with
me after a fresh cup of chili. It's my host,
mister David. Sorry, good you.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Need da good evening, my good evening paranormal community. To
get some food in my belly before the show tonight,
because I know it's going to be a good one,
and so I'm like, I gotta re up and eat. Yes,
it's just the sweet potatoes just got tender. I did
a new recipe tonight. I made sweet potato black bean
chili then just kind of whipped it up and tell
you what, man, it came out good. You wouldn't like

(01:55):
it because it's got a little spice to it.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
I was gonna say it sounds terrible. But if you
like it because you don't know how to eat, what
do you mean I don't know how to eat?

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Well?

Speaker 3 (02:05):
You eat?

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Yeah? Eat?

Speaker 3 (02:07):
You can't tell me I don't know how to eat.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
No, you know how to eat, right, you do know.
I apologize. I retract that statement.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Thank you, Yeah, apology, accept it.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
I was looking to go for the fresh stuff tonight, Kenva,
I understand there is some ground beef in there.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Though healthy chili. Is that like an is that an oxymoron?

Speaker 4 (02:30):
No, because that's where turkey white bean chili came from.
And also I can't I can't eat I can't eat
that either, So but I'm just saying it's out there.
It's out there for the people who like kale and
white beans and ground turkey and then a white chili sauce,
which I just, uh, I got. I'm a traditional blue

(02:51):
collar chili guy.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
I understand. And it is the reason why you're talking
about food because you don't want to talk about football.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Well, I'll tell you what phenomenal game today. I thought
we had it after the strip, the strip on the
fumble and the return for the touchdown. With three minutes left,
all we needed was a first down. I just couldn't
do it, and they came march downfield. And I'm not
disappointed at all. Detroit's a good team. I take nothing

(03:20):
away from Detroit, and we played really well today. So
I mean, if you're gonna lose, lose with a field
goal in the last minute and walk off the field
knowing you played a great game. Unlike Dallas, who got
absolutely blown out at home like fifty seven to thirteen
by Tampa Bay week ago.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
I shouldn't say. Unfortunately, I was with my team doing
evidence review today, so I didn't get I didn't get
to watch the game.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
I didn't see the Packers game, but I saw the
score and I get that looked like a good game too.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yep, yes it did. Speaking speaking of playing a good game, Yeah,
we have an amazing guest tonight.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
We do two weeks in a row. Now, when's the
last time you saw us have a guest on two
weeks in a row.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Well, we always have guests two weeks on in a row.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
So none because typically we're one and we're one and
done until you know, months later.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
But see, this is more of an extension because we
were all robbed last week of it, in which we
were going to talk about first.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
But we are.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Kathy, yes, indeed, and so without further ado, I welcome
back to the Odyssey of Fouls. Doctor Kathy Chapman, Hello, Kathy, welcome, Hello,
welcome back.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Nay, I'm delighted to be back into it, especially after
being so unceremoniously kicked off.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
We have taken a pool to see how long we're
going to last this time two hours.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Maybe that is the hope, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
That's the hope.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
So people who listened to last week's episode know that,
uh things from David Mace perspective, like you just rose
and then you were gone and you were never to return,
and so we kind of mumbled a bunch of stuff
until we gave up and then we ended the show. So,

(05:26):
I mean, but with you losing power, what was that
like like on your end?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Like for you, Well, what was strange about it is
sometimes when the internet goes out, I'm in the middle
of a thought. It the whole electricity went out about
the two block radius, and then the electric company was
having it was in a house. Something was wrong with

(05:53):
the box and it wasn't our house that our house
wasn't it, But it just I had completed a thought
with y'all. It was like a stopping point. Well you
were just you know, chastising me for not breathing and
just going straight ahead, and.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
It's like, does it happen?

Speaker 3 (06:12):
And stopped? But it was it was a friendly recommendation,
so I can go.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
It's like I tell now you'll need to stop me
because I go like a locomotive going really fast down
the track. And so if you want to say something,
you know, do this or interrupt or something like that, Yeah,
that would work too. So in one way, it's like, okay,
let's just stop where we are through this complete pot.

(06:44):
It's like place for an ad but the electricity was
just out, and that is Usually it's the Internet that
I have trouble with, and there will be times I'm
in the middle of doing we have our Sunday ceremonies,
which consists of some fun things, and sometimes it will
go out then, or sometimes the Internet will go out

(07:06):
when I'm doing a group healing session, bringing in usually
something that's new that's really exciting that I can talk
about how my particular healing guide or my spiritual team
that I work with, say, we have something new for
you today. We want to show you how to develop

(07:27):
a different kind of energy structure to protect yourself. And
there are a lot of forces that don't want the
kind of stuff that y'all talk about to come in,
and they don't want the healing stuff that I talk
about to happen, because it's really simple to do if
you just know how to do it.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
So do you think that there are outside forces causing
your internet and your power to go, or do you
think you just have a really crappy service.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Well, it's nice to that the outside forces don't have
to work so hard with our crappy service.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
So the work in tandem, that is what you said,
they work in tandem.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
But there's been a lot of spiritual influences where people
will just suddenly disappear or discombobulate other people where they're
not thinking correctly. Two times that I couldn't get the
camera to work, I just couldn't. I was checking it
out afterwards. They still could hear me, they just couldn't

(08:33):
see me. And I plug the external mike in instead
of the camera, and so that was my total thing.
But like being discombobulated and being sometimes you get this
thing of wanting to be thrown off of thrown off
of your kilter and losing space. And I've managed to

(08:55):
learn not to do that. The only time I really
do that is when the dogs start screaming at me
and says, come on go home. And I left the
dog with Bark this morning this afternoon. So but there
are things that are definitely trying to interfere.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
That's my agree And yeah, I agree with you. Yeah,
and and and I like the fact that you brought
up that it could be just something as simple as
trying to sidetrack you mentally, because you know, it doesn't
always have to be this great catastrophe. You know, it's
just a simple, subtle You know what you're doing, You've

(09:32):
done it a hundred times, and all of a sudden,
for some reason, now you're not doing it, or you're
doing something different, and you don't understand that because you
don't realize that you did something different correct until it's over,
and then you're looking at it and you go, well,
wait a second, why in the hell that I plug
in the microphone and not the camera?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
You know, that's right.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
It can be that simple. It is, And that's why
on a spiritual level, I begin by creating the heart source,
and was given the heart source in one of the
channelings that I have, and I teach all my clients
how to do that, because when you are in this
heart source, it is protective, protects against energy coming in,
and it protects when you think that you're nervous or

(10:16):
in fear or something like that. And it's I call
it a simple seven step process, but it works. It's
stronger than just being in your heart, and it really
helps a lot of people because it many people don't
know that when you're under stress and you're in fear,

(10:37):
your physical brain literally shrinks. It may only be a
millimeters or so, but it's still it's like whoa, It
shrinks and we get compression in the brain that's going
to cause all kinds of things with the blood flow,
which causes all kinds of things depending on where the
blood flow is reduced and what happens, whether it's your

(10:59):
temporal life or parietal lobe or your occipital lobe, or
you can't get the messages across the corpus colossum. It's
just really interesting how that happens. And people don't realize,
especially those that don't know about the chakras and your
energy field. They don't realize that when you're in fear,

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it closes down your third chakra, the solar plexus chakra,
and that is all about your sense of personal power.
And when you're that's closed down, you're not feeling powerful,
you're not feeling self confident, you're not feeling like, hey,
I got this, I can do this and you start
whether it's stuttering which comes in with your throat chakra

(11:41):
or something like that. It can really change things, simple,
simple things. I'm breathing.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
I notice that benefit.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
I know it was well, I was just waiting for you, Dave,
because you wanted to talk about your.

Speaker 4 (12:07):
Well, no, I didn't want to bust. Yeah. Well that
wasn't the segue for me to jump into my experience
with her once she's talking about chacras, and you know,
I just was pausing to see if you had anything
any questions off of that.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
Uh, the only question I have is more of a
joke question, and I was just gonna let it go, gotcha,
So okay, I can let it go.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
But I like jokes.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Oh okay, well, then maybe you like this one because
I just I mean it in all funness. So you say,
when we're stressed and frustrating on our mind shrinks. So right,
our brain shrinks, Sorry, our brain strengths physical.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
That's been shown by scientific researchers.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
I was going to say, so, does does arrogance and
ego make your brain get bigger? Is that what we
call it getting a big head?

Speaker 1 (12:58):
That is a nice joke, but what actually happens with
arrogance and ego. Is that our hubris? How about that
for the hubris that people sometimes have, is that that
affects your chakra system, that energy system, because when you
are an arrogance and ego, you can't hear other people,

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you can't look at another perspective, you can't listen with
your whole self and go, oh, hey, it's not all
about me, because that's what arrogance and ego is, that
it's all about me.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
That's so you're listening, but you're not hearing.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Correct.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Yeah, I think that about my management at work all
the time. Here they're hearing, they're hearing our words, but
there ain't listening.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Right very much. So have a new friend. I guess
he's still in the acquaintance stage, but a new friend.
And he does he's a really good handyman that knows
lots of different things, and he is intent about helping women.
And he says, what do you think is the number
one thing? And I said, the number one thing is

(14:14):
to listen to not do what you think they need,
but to do listen to them about what they need.
And many people will go in to help someone out
of the goodness of their heart, male or female, they're
going to help someone, but then they're not listening to
what they need. They think, well, I think that they

(14:37):
need this. So let's take women who have come out
who don't have education and have come out of really
abusive situations. And there's this group. I don't know if
they're still in Houston or not, but when I was
stilln't I got to meet a group of them. It
was called Women Helping Women and there's still that going on.
That's wonderful. But the women said that all the people

(15:00):
that would work with these women before said well you
need to do is get a GED. And she said,
you know, we talked to them and that's not the
first thing that they need. They don't need a GED.
They need quick training and how to make money. And
so this group gathered together all kinds of things of

(15:21):
what you did a diploma and that could be learned
easily and easily that brought income. Then they can go
back and get some other education. Have you ever wanned.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
A job.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
With at the end of the Vietnam War? For people
who may not be aware of the Vietnam War, is
that manner and left Hunnoi when it fell attorney, physician,
engineers and every thing. And here are all these women.
They say, okay, how can we them in a place

(16:04):
to make money? You may not go to it, but
they are people we may know that go to pedicures
and what else are they called? You know, fingers. I
don't do this very often as you can tell manicures characters.
And what you find is there are a lot of
Vietnamese women who work in that field. Why because they

(16:29):
could come in, get trained fairly quickly, and make money,
be on their own and subsist. That's why there are
so many Vietnamese that do that.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
And they're good at it and they're kind.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
And so you look at that for all people that
are in need. Is it that you need? I need
an income? I need an income. So by collecting together
these things are fast. You can learn how to At
that time this was you know, thirty years taught women

(17:07):
how to paint signs, do sign it on trucks and
other things like that. Now they've got all kinds of technology.
It's actually more evolved. There were certain government things that
you could do that were inspections that you didn't need
a diplomba for. You just needed to know to do
the inspection and pass the test, and they could bring

(17:28):
start bringing some income in, feed themselves, feed their family,
go out and have their own apartment, things like that.
And so that's actually that's bringing it back to our
our role in working with your Odyssey files and oh,
which is interesting because my business name is Odyssey to Wholeness,

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which is a journey into bringing wholeness to the individual.
So one of the things that I have to I
was a licensed social worker in Texas and now I
call myself life coach because my license didn't transfer to
Arizona is where do people need wholeness? And the journey

(18:10):
to wholeness and part of that is listening and then
being able to have the tools to say, oh, there's
this out here, there's this out here, how to handle that.
In the more supernatural realm, I would get parents call
me in a panic and say, I know you're going
to think I'm crazy, except they heard that I worked
with this. I have a seven year old who sees ghosts.

(18:33):
He's terrified. Is he crazy? Does he see ghosts? And
I said, well, that's my job. That's one of the
things that I do. As somebody comes in and says
they see things and or to evaluate whether they need
to be a psychiatrist or whether we work with them
and show them how they can work with and how

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they can handle it.

Speaker 4 (19:01):
You know, I think the first great step in that
and I work with kids like I grew up in
a situation where I was kind of thrown into the
fire when I was about three and a half years
old with an entity in my house, and that's what
has brought me into this field for the last fifty
six years. And so I like to work primarily with

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families with kids that are scared and need help and
educate the parents and stuff like that. So I think
that's fantastic that you do too. The one thing I
will say, you know, is I think that irregardless of
whether you think the kid needs psychiatric possibly to sit
down with somebody in the psychiatric field, I still think,

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irregardless of that, empowering them with the knowledge that we
know that will keep them safe is priceless. Now, whether
they still need to go to that second stage and
get a little bit more help, that's cool, right, I mean,
that's cool if you need the help, you need to help.
But as a first step, giving them the strength. Taking

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away the fear and giving them back what they deserve
to have and not be stripped away from them is
the most important thing to.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Me, I agree, And and the thing that I would
change what I would change what you would say a
little bit instead of taking away the fear and teach
them how to take how to release the fear okay,
so that they're empowered, and learn how that they can
focus on particular parts of your body as in the

(20:40):
heart yep, and you become calmer, and learn what Michael
instructed me to do. Breathe the power in.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
The recommended recommended.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
The power of focusing on your heart's center. Some people
are scared the name chakra, but just say right here
in the center of your chest your heart center, and
it works just as well. By the way to focus
on your physical heart, which doesn't seem to bother people
as much. There's been a lot of research done on
that with a company called Heart Math, and have found

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out all you have to do is focus on your
heart and your brain and your heart becoming trained they
work together, whereas if you focus on your head, that
doesn't happen with your heart. It's the heart. The heart's
the real brain, and many people don't know that scientists
unlike people like ourselves in certain ways, you know where

(21:38):
we do this paranormal stuff. Well, the scientists have discovered
actual neural tissue, that's brain tissue and the heart. So
now it's the heart is called the heart brain.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Well, you learn something new every day.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
How about that? And people think of indocrine systems, your hormones, Well,
the heart is one of the big producers of oxytocin,
which is the bonding hormone, which is what the pituitary
gland does, and a huge tarmone when a woman is
giving birth, the bonding hormone, and all of these things

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that some people may have said, well, you know, you
can just focus on the heart and this happens. Are
We've talked about cellular memory for eons, and now scientists
are discovering that there is something called cellular memory, or
we talk about generational healing. Scientists have now discovered that

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trauma changes the DNA. So we are now getting lots
of scientific study that is showing some of the things
that people that have been involved in what you might
call alternative or complimentary things such as acupuncture, have known

(23:06):
for ages in doing healing work when I used to
do it in person, that's before COVID kind of thing.
And when I was in Houston, you could touch someone
and the memories would come out. And this is you
ready for a fun story. This is a fun story.
I was teaching healing touch. You notice I asked you

(23:28):
the question, but I didn't give you a chance to answer.
Breath right, Okay. So I was teaching healing touch, which
was the first modality that I actually learned about being
able to manage the energy. And there was this guy
that it was at a break and he said, do
you think you could help me? I have had pain

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in my knee for ages and I haven't been able
to get rid of physical therapist. And we'll lay down
on the table we work with massage tables. Laid down
on the table and I put my hand on his
knee and I'm going to do some healing touch called
the chakra, and just some balancing. And I start getting

(24:09):
all of these images and I said, all like off
when you were twelve, And he kind of gulps and goes,
uh huh, And I said, huh, and were you doing
something you weren't supposed to be doing? And his eyes
get big and he goes, ah huh, and I said,

(24:32):
I want you to focus down here, and I had
him talked to the energy in his knee and I
can't This was ages ago, and I can't remember what
he said, but I showed him how to reduce. Oh,
I know what it was now, somebody's reminding me. It
was the fear of not looking like an idiot in
front of his friends. I E, I can't cry, I cry.

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I can't cry. It hurts, I hurt my knee. I
can't cry in front of them. And so that was
still trapped at his knee, and I showed him how
to release it, which is really easy, folks. It's just
with your breath. You get in touch with it, talk
to it, say you don't want it anymore, tell it
to leave, and take a deep breath and breathe it
out like you're breathing a cloud. That guy followed me

(25:17):
around for the rest of the weekend because he didn't
want to miss anything because his knee suddenly had no
pain in it. And that is an example of you're remembering,
and it really is easy when you know how to
do it. It is easy to be able to change

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a lot of that. Some of it's not that easy
to change. You can have cellular memory from past lives.
So I've had women where something has gotten better. Who
was working with this one who had hip problems and
I had my hands on her hip, And I can
do it without putting my hands on them, just by
tuning into their energy when we're on zoom. And suddenly

(26:01):
I started seeing, I said, WHOA. I saw a carriage
accident in which she broke her hip. I saw one
of those ancient Roman chariot races in which somebody tried
up them by bashing into their thing. I saw her
falling off out of a tree when she was a kid.

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All of those things and all of these things started,
and images started coming up, and I told her what
it was. I said, just be open, tell it. You
don't need it anymore. And there's a healing prayer that
I often use and teach people how to do. And
she did much better after that. It wasn't totally cured,
because she had to get some chiropractic adjustments and things,

(26:44):
and still had to work with it on the third
dimensional level, but the pain was reduced dramatically. That's mind
body psychology. By the way, which is what my doctorate
is in. And when we begin to realize how powerful
our mind is and how our intention is, when we

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truly discover how powerful our thoughts are, we can change
all the kinds of things within us, and we can
learn to talk to our body and to find out, oh,
what's going. Oh, here's another fun story. This is about talking.
So this woman came in and she's on the she's
on my massage table. This is still in Houston and

(27:24):
she's on the massage table. She said, my feet hurt,
my feet hurt. And I said, well, let's see what
we can find. And so she had taken her shoes
off and she was laying down on the table and
I said, I want you to just connect with your shoes.
Just bring it, not your shoes with your feet. Just
bring your attention to your feet like you're talking to

(27:47):
a dog or an infant something like that, you know
where you're just really focusing on it. And I then,
now I want you to just tell your feet high, sure, hi,
you know, how are you And then say ask your
feet if there is anything that you can do so
that they won't be in pain. You're going to love

(28:09):
the answer. You know what, They said, get new shoes,
and she was wearing shoes with very pointed toes that
was setting her body off balance. They are pretty good heels,
setting her body off balance and her feet just hrt.

(28:30):
She got new shoes and the pain went away. That
is the easiest way when you know how to do that,
and you can focus on any part of your body
and find out why it is upset and what you
can do. Doesn't mean you'll do it right, but you
can find out what would be the best thing to do.

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You can find out if it's generational. Sometimes I find
out there's a spirit or an entity that's caught in there,
and I help them to release the entity. Sometimes it
is someone from their family who died of something but
hasn't gone on and they're taking the person is taking
on the pain that that person died of. It's just

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amazing how that happens.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
It happens to me when I walk into investigations. I'll
double over at times, so sick, instantaneously, nauseous and sick,
like you know, like my stomach's going to explode out
of my body, that horrific of pain, you know, Like
I'm like I'm literally dying. I mean, there's been times

(29:39):
when I've had to walk out with tears streaming down
my face, punched over because I'm like, what like my
appendix just burst or something horrific just happened to my
own body. And as soon as I step over the
threshold and step outside into some fresh air, out of
the building, ten seconds later, I'm completely fine.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
It's a nice how that works.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Gone. Yeah, being an impath, that time sucks, you know,
especially when you get broadsided, when you get blindsided, you know, yes,
and there, and so I've learned obviously I would I
would probably still wouldn't be here if I hadn't. You know,
I've learned to ground myself and I've learned to protect myself.
And but that you know, those times when I either

(30:21):
don't think I need to are the times to come
back and usually bite me really hard in the ass.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Yeah, the one time place accent.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Yeah, yeah, it's just bad, you know. Yeah, So I
mean it's but I get it. I get what you're saying.
But I want to Okay, so before we get too
far along here, we're thirty minutes in. I'm going to
consider that a success.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Okay, we did it, Okay, we're past the threshold.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
I want to point out though, that during that first
thirty minutes, there was a hell of a battle going
on for your Internet connection. There was yeah, I woudn't
know where that there's a there was a there's a
couple of times you started to like phase out or
like you were choppy or whatnot.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
And I'm like, I thought we were going to.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Two weeks in a row and then and then you'd
come back and then like maybe a minute later and
started to do it again. I'm like, they're fighting. I
actually my eyes instead of prayer.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
When I closed my eyes, I was actually praying for
protection over you and your house than you. And when
I opened my eyes back up, you were gin clear
and everything was going perfectly.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
And see what's interesting about that is I did not
get the message Internet out of balance or whatever they
usually put on there. I got no message that there
was anything going on.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Nope, that you were freezing and you were freezing up
on us again like I thought we were going to
lose you again. Ye. But okay, so I want to
share this with you and get your feedback on it,
So I asked he project I used to a lot.
I don't as much as I'm getting older because I
choose not to can. But I've done some stupid things

(32:02):
while i'm master protecting. So I'm I'm kind of stopping,
not on your head, Mic, I'm kind of staying away
from it. Now. I know you can do it subconsciously, but.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Oh no, that was completely on purpose, I believe you.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
So anyway, I want to share this with you and
get your feedback from it. So for listeners who heard
it already, sorry, But so I was. Yeah, I was
in a dream and dream was going to be great,
and I was at a place I really enjoyed being,
and I was with people I really enjoyed being with,
and we were having this great, very interactive time, and

(32:38):
all of a sudden, I felt this strange vibration come
into my space, and I paused for a second, and
I remember looking over my shoulder and I felt this.
It wasn't a heaviness, but it was an envelopment. And
I literally went and got sucked completely out of where

(33:01):
I was and found myself standing out in low desert
scrub rush. Okay, now, I have no idea why I'm there, sunshining,
not a cloud in the sky, kind of a reddish sand,
little scrubs here and there, a few trees here and there,

(33:23):
type of thing. Not very beautiful scenery, but nothing that
bothered me. And so I started walking, kind of wondering
why I was there. So I kind of went exploring.
And as I was walking for a little while, I
noticed off in the distance there was a figure of
what appeared to be from that distance of like a human.

(33:46):
And so I saw it and I decided to walk
towards it, and I did, and as I got closer
and closer, I noticed it was a man, very old,
very dark skin, I would not say African American, but
very dark skin. Writings on him like a lot of ink,

(34:10):
A lot of tattoo were, but not tattoos per se,
just writing script writing that I couldn't understand, and kind
of glyphs and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
And he.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Motioned to me to come closer. As I had paused
once I could see him clearly, I kind of paused
for a minute and I just kept kind of a
distance in between us and wondering why I was there.
And he was kind of I wouldn't say smiling, but
he didn't give off a negative vibe and he was
waving to come over to him, to come closer. So
I did. I approached him and we stood there kind

(34:49):
of looking at each other for you know, it seemed
like ten minutes, so let's just say it was a minute, right,
as we were just kind of eyeing each other up
and down, and then he kind of does this smile
and he asks me, we never spoke, but we spoke, okay,
it was more of a telepathic thing, and he asked

(35:10):
me for a hug, and so I paused for a second,
and I thought, well, this is really strange. I'm out here.
I was where I wanted to be, doing what I
wanted to be doing, and now I'm out here in
some landscape that's completely unfamiliar to me, and I've got
a guy who doesn't appear threatening, but I think he

(35:33):
brought me here. Like that's the feeling I got, is
that he brought me to that location. And then he
now has called me over and now he wants to
kind of physically embrace me. And again I didn't feel
anything bad, so I decided to hug it. So I did.
So we embrace and it's a very warm, loving Yeah,

(36:05):
hugging your dad, you know right before you know, he
goes into hospice or something. Right just it's just this
overwhelming emotional release, and I give him this hug and
we're embraced for a little bit, you know, probably a minute,

(36:27):
and I let go. I take my arms off of him,
and I had my eyes closed, and I took a
step back, and when I opened up my eyes, there
was a little boy there, about eight years old and
had none of the tattoos on him, but he was
of the same skin color, and he had a handprint
on the side of his rib cage right here, a

(36:51):
human handprint, but it was small about like this big
okay on the side of his rib cage right here,
And he looked at me and he smiled, and I
got thank you in my mind, and then boom, I
was back to where I was.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
In.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, who do you think it is?

Speaker 4 (37:22):
I think that whatever that was needed something from me
and needed and needed needed that physical touch because I
think they were looking to complete themselves in some sort
of transformational type of journey, so whether that be like
a rebirth type of thing. And I think that possibly

(37:43):
I carry something with me that most people don't and
he recognized it and it was the last piece of
the puzzle that he needed to I use this term lightly,
but to kind of be reborn.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
So this week you have an energy over that would
be your right shoulder that I didn't see there last week,
and it is you have to Actually one of them
is Archangel Michael. I think Archangel Michael works on but

(38:25):
the other is a male. Well, it shifts back and
forth between a male and a female energy, which I
interpret as being a soul that has been with you
in incarnations as male and as female. When it's female,

(38:47):
it's almost like a grandmother energy. When it's male, it
is a spiritual mentor energy. And I did notice that
last week, but this week it was one of the
first things I noticed when you came in and were

(39:08):
eating your chili.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Fumes from the chili.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I really think so much. But and you said star
Did you say Starship? Did I hear that? I thought,
what did you say to him? Okay, because I heard,
I didn't say you didn't say that Because I heard
Starship and I have been thinking as different things. There's

(39:38):
something about you being a star seed that was also
an activation for you. He was able. It's like he
was when you said rebirth. He had to pass on
an energy to you and did some activation in your
own particular energy field. And what I call that activated

(40:00):
certain things within you. That is going to help you
to go deeper in your work with other people. It
may give you some protection as an impath, like a
protective energy that's going to help you more easily to
not hold onto other people's emotions. But I think you

(40:26):
met someone who knows you well and that you on
a spiritual level know well, and that little boy was you.
That's what I'm picking up.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Like I saw myself as a reflection type of moment, Yes.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
In a dimension in another oh, let's say, parallel universe.
What most don't realize that we may have one soul.
I call it the soul, but the incarnate, the newer
souls are those that are not as And when I

(41:08):
say advanced, I don't mean it in a hierarchical way,
but have gained more experience. Many times will incarnate in
more than one place at one time. And so I
have come to know my intergalactic self, and I know
myself in this lifetime, and I think there's actually another

(41:33):
self and it's all happening at the same time. And
we will get oh, like the merging of the dimensions
will come in. What are you laughing about?

Speaker 4 (41:45):
Oh my god, it's uh. Our good friend Sina told
me about a year or two ago now, and Sina,
I love you, But she told me that everything is
happening past president future is happening simultaneously, exactly at the
same time. And I just can't get my head around that.

(42:07):
And so it's been a running joke between Mike and
I for a long time. Like I had around everything, paranormal,
everything I have met, nothing yet that I can't wrap
my head around or understand. But I cannot understand. I
just cannot. I just can't do it. I just don't understand.
I don't know if I'm thinking about it too logically.

(42:29):
I don't know if I just need to shut up
and let my own open up my heart and my
soul and just let it absorb the idea.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
I don't know what I say.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
You have in front of you, the book of your soul? Okay,
there's no there's no time with it, right. And let's
say you have a book of another book of short stories.
You open a short story, you don't need to follow
it or anything like that with your book of your soul,
you can just open it and tune in to whatever
is there anywhere it is, and sometimes it's ancient. I

(43:05):
learned from one channeling I'm of the Divine Mother, that
we even had incarnations as a bacterium or a virus
or an algae, like a one celled life form, so
that we could get used to being in the physical
and then we graduated, you know, to be able to
experience more. And so when you think about how many

(43:30):
lifetimes we've had, which is innumerable, it's so hard to count,
but you have those, and then here's your soul and
every here's this is the book. It's the ecostic records
everything that you have learned, all your wisdom and knowledge,
and you can open it at any time and you're
immediately in that time. But there is no time with your.

Speaker 6 (43:55):
Soul, right I understand that that's kind of what slide, okay.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
And I will say this that the bookkeeper that keeps
the Akashak records has visited me multiple times and been
identified by others prior to speaking with you about that.

Speaker 7 (44:12):
But he shows up as a very very small male
figure in a very old brown robe with very old.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
Just a piece of rope like hemp strands together tied
and he walks and he has a group of and
he's in brown, and he has a group of hooded
black figures that not black footed figures in a bad
way that walk behind him, and they'll be anywhere from

(44:47):
I mean, when at that moment in my life, there
were like seven of them, and then at a different
time when I saw him, there were three. So I
don't know if that has any bearing on anything with
how many people are with him, but he's visited me
multiple times. I sat up in bed and watched him
walk into my room look at me. The other people
come in and stand there and look at me. I

(45:09):
had shadow spiders on my wall that were anywhere from
the size of a dinner plate to the size of
a beach ball. And he walked in and looked at me,
and he looked at them, and he looked back at me,
and he put his head down and he said and
he said did something to the other guys, and then
they just walked out of my room. And I was
completely wide awake sitting there watching this all happen. And

(45:30):
I watched the spiders just cruising around on my wall
for probably about ten minutes. I have no idea if
shadow spiders have anything to do with it, but I
see shadow spiders big ones. Yeah, so I don't know
why they were there. But I've seen him multiple times too,
so it's interesting. So anyway, he has visited me, and

(45:51):
I just thought i'd throw that out there since you
mentioned the Kashak records.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Do you talk to him?

Speaker 4 (45:56):
I have not spoke to him yet, but I was
told that he's he's visiting me because he has something
important to share with me, and so I need to
start interacting with him. But I have not done that yet.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (46:12):
That's a good question. Yeah, I don't know. I don't
know if I trust him. He doesn't put off a
negative vibe, but he doesn't put off a positive vibe either,
you know what I'm saying. So I don't feel welcomed
in his presence.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
You could, in all your spiritual connect your protection archangel.
Michael's a rather big gun, and you can even ask
for more, and you can actually send out a plea
to the heavens. There's this book called which I forgot
the name of it. It's pink, It's got letters on it.

(46:55):
Your heavenly committees or something like that, and you can
ask for a group of believe it or not, there
are angels that don't have a job. They would like
to have a job, and you can say, I would
like experts. That's right, who can come to me and
to work with me? And you can surround yourself with
enough protection that you can then ask who, why do

(47:22):
you want to talk to me? What is there to
say to me?

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Well, maybe, and I'll work on that together. I don't
know that I can do it with self guidance. I mean,
I don't know that I can get myself there, keeping
myself on track to get there.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
There are a lot of things that it's like I
get people to help me. It's we may know lots
of stuff, but we get so distracted within ourselves. You're
you're familiar with silver silver mind control.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
I've heard the term.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Okay, well, there's a body talk, which is one of
my major modalities. They have something similar to it called mindscape,
and I'm a mind scaper and we go into the
depths of ourselves and we have amazing experiences and that
can help you. You can talk to him within what

(48:17):
with it's your sacred space. Which is in the back
of your heart center. Or you can go into like
a workshop, a very protected area and have all your
protection around you and bring that being in with protection

(48:38):
so you're fully guarded and protected and ask questions and
get rather amazing answers.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Should they have to be protected, though, I guess that's
my question, like why would I need to be protected
to go to the Akashak records.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
You don't necessarily need to be protected to go to
the Akashak records. But we really need to fasten our
seat belts when we're driving in a car, whether you're
going from one side of the parking lot to the other,
or whether you're driving as I do from Arizona to Texas.
It's good to have. There's a lot of low vibration

(49:19):
energy that's moving around right now. You can look on
anything and you'll find even if whether it's this crazy
election that's happening, which isn't so crazy, it's just all
the chaos, whether it's being aware of what's happening in
the Middle East, whether it's being aware of what happens
at anything. All of this energy is free floating, and

(49:42):
so that can adhere to us when we're not looking.
When we go into a place of fear, it's like
a sucking thing, all the fear around us that's coming
from everything. You're an impath, you know this coming from
everything comes to you. So you have protection in whichever

(50:03):
way you do. It is that you are more firmly
grounded and you're in your heart, and you will find
that you can think clearer, more clearly. And when you're
not in fear, then you can be You have that
expansiveness that can bring in more information to you. And

(50:28):
that's part of our spiritual path. That's where people get
confused about they think religion. I'm not interested in religion.
This is in religion. Religion doesn't teach you how to
do this. But when you learn how to use the
power of your heart, when you learn how to connect
certain parts of your energy field together, are strengthens and

(50:53):
it can repel things. It can repel low vibration energy.
And what happens with us is wherever our vibration is.
So I talk about it as being a number line.
Zero's in the middle for those of you who have
forgotten your math, Zero's in the middle, and then you
have the negative numbers and you have the positive numbers,

(51:17):
you can work with low vibration energy. Let's put it
on negative numbers. If you have a vibration of two,
you can work with low vibration energy of zero and
one and two.

Speaker 4 (51:34):
Without being concerned about being harmed.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Correct. But if you have a five, a negative five
coming at you, oh go run and hide behind Mama's apron.
And then as you grow, as you raise your vibration,
as you discover that you are stronger than you ever knew,
that you are more powerful than you ever knew, and

(51:58):
your vibration rises to pass five to positive six, to
positive seven, you're also going to discover as an EmPATH,
you will discover that you can push away, dissolve, handle
energies that are of a negative ten. So if you're
a positive ten, you can handle energies which are a

(52:18):
negative ten. And that's how that's what would happen to
me when I was doing spirit release work, I found
that as I grew and developed spiritually, and by the
way that growing and developing spiritually happens so much when
you come to trust source all that is, love itself, God,
whatever name you call it, and you place yourself there

(52:41):
and say I trust you so you call your spiritual
support team my God. They are created for us to
be with us, each one of us as a guardian.
Some of us have more than one guardian. I remember
the first time I met my guardian. I was taking
and through a process with someone and they said, okay,

(53:04):
now here's your spiritual this is your guardian angel. And
so I met my guardian angel who wasn't an angel,
and I said, are you the one that got me
out of that accident? What was happening? I was driving
like a banshee down the coast of Texas, which is
called the Inner Coastal Canal, because I had my mother's

(53:26):
car at the time that she needed it back. I
was in the confidant. I don't even remember why I
had her car, and I just the car was going
too slow in front of me. He's probably going seventy right.
Car was going too slow, So I pulled over to
the side and here I am with this car on
the right side of me, the Gulf of Mechmoll. It
was the bay on the left side of me, but

(53:48):
right down there and an eighteen wheeler right in front
of me, and I just froze and suddenly I am
transported the car and everything. I am in front of
the other car. It just it just happened. And so
I said, are you the one that got me out
of that? In his response was you were driving like

(54:09):
an idiot, And I don't do that much anymore, but
I haven't had a tendency of doing that and had
some Really there's no other way to explain it, but
miraculous other forces that came and kept me here. So
spirit must have wanted me here even though I was
driving like an idiot. And there they are. Yeah, they're

(54:32):
there for us. Use our teams. Use them. They're not
going to interfere unless we are connecting with them in
some way. So use your team gathered all more. If
you need to have that protection to talk with that guy,

(54:55):
in my senses, you don't need that protection, but there
is nothing wrong with having that protection.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
In fact, yeah, I just like I said, I didn't
feel a positive vibe from him, so I just was neutral.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
I don't know if I follow him.

Speaker 4 (55:14):
Yeah, I didn't know if I was supposed to follow
him or what was the deal was. But we'll talk
more about it off the air. I've got something I
want to share with you that I won't share on
the air that happened that the very first time I
saw him, and I think that and I'll share that
with you and then you can we'll dig deeper into that.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
Okay, before we move on, I just want to make
sure that I'm fully not a part of this topic.
And so you have these the energies that you saw
on Dave, Do I have anything?

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Yeah, yeah, you have a grandmother figure. I don't know
if it's grandmother, but you have an older woman right
behind you again on the right side of you, standing
right behind you, grinning at you.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
Yeah, that's my mom.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Okay, yeah, just loving you.

Speaker 3 (56:09):
Why can't I have an archangel? No offense, but no offense?

Speaker 1 (56:14):
But you do have angels that are there. You actually
work more with archangel Gabriel, who is the announcer the proclaimer.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
You want to know what's interesting because when you when
you talked about uh, Dave having the archangel, Michael, I
was like, man, like I would like an archangel, you know,
I'm like, you know what I go, It's probably gonna
be Gabriel. So I was way ahead of you on
that one. Yeah, my mom's always around. Not a complaint.

(56:48):
I just want to let you know there's not a complaint,
but just yeah, all right, Well do you have anything else, Dave?

Speaker 4 (56:56):
For this particular, I'm busy writing notes, so I'm ready
to transition into whatever you want to. I've got a
whole bunch of stuff I need to get on paper,
so I don't forget it.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Okay, sounds good. Well, then I'm going to move on
to something that you had talked about last week that
was completely I guess I don't want to say against
because you know that that's not the correct one, but
like it not tra dits. Maybe maybe that's where I'm
looking for, Like everything that I have ever known or

(57:27):
taught or given advice about, and that's about attachments. Because
one of the one of the main questions, Dave can
confirm this that we're always asking as paranormal investigators is
how do you avoid an attachment? And so we're always
talking about intent and we're always talking about how you
phrase your wording so you don't invite anything to attach
itself to you and be respectful, don't promote you know

(57:51):
that kind of thing we give out the natural thing,
you know, throw down your borders, you know your your
your boundaries, you know, so they don't. They don't do anything.
But you said last week that they if they're close
to you or anything like that, I'll have to do.
I'm attached to you, and they go with you until whatever.

(58:11):
So is all of that advice we give a complete
bub kiss because no spirit, it's hot. So I guess
what's what's the difference between the two when you say
spirits could just attach themselves to you willy nilly at
their at their own choice and their own intent to
where we might not want them to be attached to us,

(58:34):
and how we're trying to keep them from being attached
to us.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
So I have a question for you. Okay, percentage wise
the last week, what percentage were you in your heart?

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Depending on the topic, like okay, like like like the
show ninety work five and a half.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
So if you were not in your heart, which means
just you're not centered, I'm grounded.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Well that's zero percent. I'm never in my heart, okay, Well.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
Tells me.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
I'm always in my head.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
You are mostly in your head, but there are times
you are in your heart. As I just saw it.
I saw you sneak into it.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah, that will be afraid of your heart.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Don't be afraid of it. It might be broken in there,
but you can feel that.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Yeah broken, We're talking about ten thousand piece of chicksawz.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Okay, puzzles get put together. You like puzzles I.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
Like, and that's because they come with instructions.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
Which you throw away. I imagine, look at the pieces
that's are putting it together.

Speaker 8 (59:45):
I don't know what you're talking about step by step,
Dave Kathy. I'm just going to interject here quickly, broken heart.
One hundred percent, sixth time this year, I have used
one hundred percent. I never see a hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Yeah you can't. You can't use that line. I never
say one hundred percent. I used one hundred percent six
times this year.

Speaker 4 (01:00:11):
Okay, I rarely, I rarely use and this has been
going on in the show for years. I will say
ninety nine percent, ninety eight percent, ninety three percent. Yeah,
you're looking rare that I say, yeah, it's rare that
I say one hundred percent. You were, you were one
hundred percent on that observation of why Mike is not
in his heart.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
I'm never going to never going to deny that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
So let's talk about the complexities of attachments.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
So let's say that you have a good friend that
you've just been buds with for ages. It doesn't matter
male or female. Or it could be a family member that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Suicide yeah, oh I was suicides.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Are ods or you know something like that. They could
just simply like my brother in law just a couple
of weeks will be the third anniversary of his death
from COVID, which just sent the family, knocked the family
totally off. And so you have that going on, and
you're in deep grief, and that person, because of your grief,

(01:01:19):
may come to you and attach him or herself to you.
They may not have ever gone. So there is your
emotional self that when you are not in the positive
part of the number line and you're not pretty high
up and the other person is there and wants to

(01:01:41):
be with you, that person will come and they can
attach to you easily. Now when you're going out and
doing your investigations and stuff, I was part of a
team that did that for a while, and I remember
going to this one house. This woman was having all
kinds of problems, and I got very clearly that this

(01:02:01):
was an area where there had been some Native American
battles with white people, yep. And that has y'all know it,
but many people don't know. There's all kinds of energy
that is there. And I had something that has not

(01:02:22):
rarely happens to me, and that is that when I
got in touch with who it was, and I got
the fact that this woman's infant son had died and
the person whose house was now in that space, her
flower bed was over his grave. Now there was nothing

(01:02:43):
there to be able to tell. For one thing's you know,
babies don't when they decomposed. They're just decomposed. You're not
going to run across any bone matter. She jumped into
me that that doesn't happen unless I invite and I
did not invite her in. But it was a very
uncomfortable feeling. If y'all have had that experience where her

(01:03:06):
energy came in and she started using my vocal cords
to talk to the woman who lives in the house,
and they came to an agreement is that that woman
would plant she would always keep that place sacred and
would plant flowers in honor of the child and for

(01:03:27):
the mother. And the conversation probably lasted about five minutes.
I was exhausted at the end of it. But it
was like here I was in tune and this being
jumped right into me. After it was over, she left
because she trusted what this woman said. And as far

(01:03:48):
as I know, this woman, who was already a little
you know, garden area, did that to honor her son.
It is a very uncomfortable thing. Now that has only
happened to me once, but I have had many times
where a client would walk out of my office and

(01:04:12):
I know that somebody stayed, and I will look around
my office and I found somebody hiding behind the artificial
ficus plant, a woman. I said, hi, you know, did
you want something? And she wanted to be able to
go home. Well, the reason she stayed is it was
a I call it a transitory attachment. There is quite

(01:04:36):
a grape vine that occurs in the spirit world. She
heard by the grind that this woman who was passing
by her was going to see this other woman who
knew how to people from being stuck on the earth
plane when they didn't want to be. And she came
in and so we worked together. So sometimes you are

(01:04:58):
actually a con do it for someone else to work
with them. It's like, okay, you're the bus the bus
went by. Here you get on the bus. Oh look,
here's my stop. You get off on that. That can happen.
The other thing that happens is when you are in fear,
when you are in anger. Those are two of the

(01:05:19):
major things that occur. And really we talk about there's
only two real energies. There's love and that there's fear.
I call it not love. But when you are in
a place of not love in any way, you attract
those energies to you. This is all part of the
law of attraction. You attract those energies to you. And

(01:05:40):
so when you are let's say, in fear, you not
only have your fear, but you have the fear of
everything that is around you. Where there is fear, if
it is a child, if you have children, it's a
child that got scared. And even though your child never
told you about the bully at school, but he still
has fear. She has fear. That energy comes into you

(01:06:03):
and that increases the amount of fear you have, and
then you have beings that feed on that fear. So
how do you protect yourself? One, you know how you
get your guardians that will work with you. But the
other is you have to learn how to release the fear.
You have to learn how to stay in the center

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of your chest, and you're to heart shop with at
the very minimum heart source. If you know more about
that is that you stay in there and you learn
how to breathe. Breathe through your heart, which deep breasths,
cleansing breaths, reset your nervous system, discover where the fear

(01:06:47):
is in you. And I'll ask people, well, where do
you feel now that you're in your heart, you're grounded.
When they say how do I get grounded? I say,
grow roots from your feet, get grounded and be in
your heart. And now where in your body? Just kind
of do a little scam top to bottom and where
do you feel discomfort? And then I have people focus

(01:07:10):
on that area of discomfort and I say, just ask
what are you? And usually an emotion comes up. If
they don't get anything with what are you? I ask
who are you? And sometimes they'll get a name of someone.
Sometimes they know the name, other times they'll say, well
it's a demonic name. Two different ways to release, but
the end result is it all goes back to the creator.

(01:07:33):
So when you're out of the place of love, when
you were in not love. You are susceptible to people
coming in and attaching places to watch that cemeteries, going
by an accident where somebody has died, hospitals, funeral homes.
I have a dear friend of mine is that I

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met her at Catholic Charities in Houston. I worked with
pregnant team. She worked at adoption, and she would go
to hospitals regularly when the baby was born, and she
would come back with babies attached to her because there
were people who had miscarriages in my hospital. It was
Catholic hospital, so there weren't abortions, so all of those

(01:08:18):
things happening, and so we and even when she moved
to Kentucky and I'm here, when she saw me, she'd go, so,
do I have any babies attached to me? When she
started working in hospice as a social worker in hospice,
when I would come and see her, she said, do
I have anybody attached to me at all? And we

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would help them go and release. When I was in
the convent, I worked with one of the sisters who
worked with AIDS patients, and she was getting this is
really kind of a wild story. She was had gone
to the doctor for some heart trouble and she was

(01:09:02):
going to have to have surgery and I don't remember
what kid, and she asked me, because I was doing
healing touch if there was anything, and there was one
of her aides patients who had passed on. It was
attached to her and was attached through the heart. They
had gotten to be very close when she ministered to

(01:09:25):
him as he was dying, and I said, let's just
help him leave. What's helping go back to God? And
he left. He thanked her, he was with her because
she meant so much to him. And he left and
she went to the doctor to prepare for surgery and
she didn't need it anymore. That's wonderful and proud and

(01:09:52):
people were miraculous, but it wasn't miraculous. I just sent.
I just helped him go home. So sometimes, like when
I get attachments now, usually it's somebody knows that I
help them, and I help them go home and things

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will change. Other times, we're born with things that are
in different places. It could be coming from our mother,
whatever happened to and don't matter, just your birth mother.
When you're in the womb, we get her feelings. If
something happens if she's struggling, like one of her parents

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is dying at the time that she's pregnant, or something
else happens. She may be in an accident, that kind
of thing. Sometimes we can get attachments from that angle
and let them go. I work with when I'm doing
healing work with women, it is not unusual for me
to find babies. I worked with this woman, one woman

(01:10:56):
who was almost nighty, and I I always try to
present it gently, but I just say, have you had
any miscarriages or abortions? And she said I had two abortions.
And I said, you have two souls here because I
already felt them. The question was was it a mischaracter

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an abortion? And when she was in her twenties, she
was ninety in her twenties, these were ill, These were
backstreet abortions. And I helped her get in touch with
the souls of that child. Of those children, she named them,

(01:11:39):
and then they left her and she said she just
fell a lightness of being. If you have someone that
died and you're focusing and focusing and focusing on it
that and you're keeping them here, which happens often with
especially parents child relationships and sometimes it's the person that died.

(01:12:05):
Is they are the ones that are in fear of
leaving you are They are just absolutely horrendously in shame
because it's something that they did and they want to apologize.
But how do I apologize now? And that's what I
will help them do. So the major thing to stay

(01:12:27):
out of the attachments is stay in your heart and
stay grounded.

Speaker 4 (01:12:32):
Okay, I want to sum this up. So is it
fair to say that not all attachments are bad? Right,
that's fair to say, Okay, correct, that a negative attachment
can't attach to you if your vibrational level is high enough, right, correct?

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
They can hang around. I cannot be attached.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
But not be attached, but it can kind of try
to wait around for a weak moment and then try
to jump whatever, right, just.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
To be an as I mean, And that's exactly what
they're doing. Dave's being in ass don't have anything else
to do. It's a game to them.

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
Right exactly, It's always a game to them. So and
then so the third thing I was going to say, now,
of course in my old age, it's escaping me. But
it was to the point of, oh, I know what
it was tethering so I use the term tethering when

(01:13:30):
I've spoken with clients and stuff like that. So is
that kind of the same thing as what you were
just talking about with where you your emotional tie to
a deceased loved one is so strong that you don't
and not that you're trying to intentionally do it, but
the but your energy is so focused and so strong

(01:13:52):
that you create like a tether point that keeps them
tied to our plane and doesn't let them move on
or does that not happen? I mean, do they have
the ability to just move on on their own if
they don't feel the guilt or the remorse or whatever,
and they and they want to move, can they move?
Or do we have the ability to tether somebody here

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with a huge emotional outpouring of focused energy and love.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
Okay, So earlier when we were talking about how you
can release energies yourself, you said you needed a guide
to help you to do that. It does better, And
it's the same with some people, is that they need
a guide to help You might enjoy getting on your

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show father Nathan Castle, who has people come to them
in a dream that says and they say, help me,
help me, go home, and basically what happens with him
is he actually sees the way they died and they
just want to go to another standpoint. But father na Cistli,

(01:15:01):
he's down in Tucson and he's written several books about
like I think it's called Life Interrupted, Volumes one, two,
and three, and he works with people in that way
I get. I work with people who come in with
clients usually or somebody else like that. So it's a

(01:15:24):
different way of what happens. There are just as many
stories of helping attachments people's souls go on as there
are stories that you have. In this world. You will
have beings of darkness, which I think I mentioned it
last time. I can't remember right when you got cut off.

(01:15:45):
I'm just that's probably why it happened.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
That is exactly what happened. We were talking about all
this love and positivity and then you jumped into the
whole darkness and beings and like, I'm not kidding you,
within thirty seconds you were out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
That's I mean, yeah, yeah. So so what the Christian
Church is believe and this includes the Catholic Church, is
that what that's right, That's what we were talking about.

(01:16:20):
Was the angels had seen God, and then you had
the group that rebelled that wanted their own power, which
is a microcosm of what we're a microcosm of what happens.
Is that the belief was that you cannot go back
to God, you can't change your mind after that. And
I think I was about that time saying God is
just a god of love. God will take back any

(01:16:42):
of its creation.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
You actually shared a story with us about somebody making
the journey back to God that had once walked on
Lucifer's side, and yeah, just one sharing that story, and
you were out.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
That's it. And that's because and the reason I was
out is because and they're trying to get back in
right now is because the lie that is given to
those beings is that they can't return, when if they
know that they can return, there might be a mass exodus,

(01:17:18):
or they're trying to find people that can help them
to go back. And so I think, and I'm going
to say this out loud, just as I think I said,
as I have those beings, look within themselves, Look within
yourself and find out if anybody's here, look within yourself
and find out what's there. And they will see the

(01:17:40):
light and the light that is there. Some start off
with a red light, but then it expands. That is
proof that you're being light to because you are of
the light, and you may return to the light. It
is totally your choice to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
And that's the end episode two. I'm just waiting for
you to cut out at any second, because that's like
exactly where you left it. And then you said you
tell them to look for the white light, and sometimes
it's just the most minute little speck, like a speck
of dust, but you tell them to find it, and

(01:18:17):
then when they find it, to focus on it and
grow it and let it come up to the surface
and not be pushed down and squashed and hidden and
stomped on like it has been forever. And that when
they get that little tiny speck of white light, that
little dust particle that's shining within them, they can bring
that up to the surface and that is their passage

(01:18:39):
back to God.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
That is their passage back. And what I also do,
and I learned this from somebody else, what I also
then do is I call those who were once in
darkness that are now in the light to come and
talk to them so that they can have experience from
beings that they knew who look totally different and totally transformed.

(01:19:03):
And we bring in protective energy, especially for the higher
level m the ones that are like the most evil
or the most powerful if you guys, keep going, So
we have that protection that are around them so that
they cannot be grabbed, they cannot be kidnapped, so that

(01:19:24):
they are protected. And one of the things with this
which I didn't mention that that can happen, is that
your attachments can have attachments, and sometimes you have human attachment.

Speaker 4 (01:19:39):
I have that, by the way, I have an attachment
that has an attachment that is always attached.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Huh that it's called the vacuum. Dave, get over it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
No, no, you already know this. It's an attachment that
that arbitrarily pops in and out at it's whenever it
wants to. And then that attachment has an attachment, and
that can happen.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
And I have worked with people had I worked with
I call it those who have lost their way okay,
those who have forgotten who they are, or the lower
vibration ones, those who have lost their way, or the
humans the ghosts, and and what I have had it
wouldn't go, wouldn't go, And finally I went, oh, yeah,

(01:20:25):
for good, do you have an Do you have someone attached?
Do you look around? And sometimes it's with humans it
is almost always a mother, a real mother will be attached,
and then their mother will be attached. But then if
one of them has a dark being that's attached to them,
which sometimes has it like anger, betrayal, hatred, despair, there

(01:20:50):
we can call those spirits of anger, of hatred, of despair,
and it collects and you have to go to the
outer limits. You have to find the last attachment. And
it's like peeling an onion, literally is then you release
that one and then you release this one, and you
release this one, and you will have people from the

(01:21:11):
let's call it the dark side, oh, the dark side.
You have people the beings that are there that say, hey,
we're being attacked, let's go. And so they start coming
in pul archangel Michael all of his band, and they
form a barrier. They're right there with swords drawn. Those

(01:21:34):
are sorts of transmutation, by the way, they're not swords
of death. So they transmitt and they are there and
they protect and take that being or those beings home.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
It's so that you're talking about like a spiritual conga line.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Yeah, it could be.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
You're right, I wonder if you can make a dance anyway.
So so, I mean, I guess, like with Dave's time thing,

(01:22:17):
this is a little bit much for me to take in.
So I guess my question is then for for people
who don't have like abilities and the ability to send
stuff like like you and Dave can and stuff like that,
like me, because I've had an attachment before which I
did not invite, nothing to do with me, but I

(01:22:39):
had a zero zero like notification or anything that she
was even here like she was with me. And the
only reason that I even knew that it happened at
all was because a medium that Dave and I had
brought on the team at that time told me so.
And even then I did didn't even believe them because

(01:23:00):
I'm like, what is this attachment waiting for me to
die of old age? I'm like, because it's not doing anything,
it's not making his presence known. I don't feel weird.
I don't have any you know, like health issues that
maybe yeah, like I don't have anything that's bothering me
when so I have two questions now. So the first

(01:23:23):
one is when spirits who have no connection really to
you whatsoever, somehow attached themselves to you but don't do anything,
what is their actual goal when they do that?

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
I just like your energy.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Yeah, she wanted an apology for.

Speaker 4 (01:23:41):
Me for what because you challenged her at the cemetery.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
No, I know, it wasn't a challenge because I had
nothing to do. Because apparently we were investigating a location
that had a cemetery attached to it and it was dark.
We always investigated dark, and apparently I had accidentally stepped
on flowers that were on the grave of one of

(01:24:08):
her friends, and I didn't know this, so of course
I didn't apologize or I didn't do anything about it
because I didn't know that I had done it. And
so she wanted an apology for me for doing that,
which is completely okay. Absolutely that's fair, and I guess
when I gave.

Speaker 4 (01:24:28):
If you think about it, that's why, like the spirit
it's petty that she would think that way because the
spiritual energy for her to have to attach herself to you,
that's just kind of a petty thing, I think.

Speaker 9 (01:24:41):
I mean, I was going to say there's right a
me or her huh oh, yeah, I know, Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Are you accusing me of something? I don't know?

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:24:53):
No, no, no?

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Which way we go in here? So there's that question
is when that stuff happens, what is their actual goal
in doing that? And the thing is and the other
question is how does somebody like me tell that I
have an attachment or I may have an attachment without

(01:25:17):
being told by somebody who has abilities. Because even the
person you used who had the like aborted babies all
over way, she had to ask you do I have
any on me?

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
And I've actually done that before, like I've asked Sina,
I've asked you know anyone that has I'm like, do
you sens anything on me? And they're like dat? But
I mean, I guess for people not me but are
worried about it. Is there a way to tell?

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Well, going kind of deeper a little bit, that is,
don't be in fear about it? For one thing. For
the other is that if you have all often said
do you have thoughts that you don't know where they
come from? Now, all of us have some thoughts that
they don't ever, let's say recurrent thoughts like you're no good.
You know, who the hell do you think you are?

(01:26:08):
You can't do any of this, and it just goes
on and on and on. I start looking for an attachment.
If it's not an attachment, then it can be tapes
from father energy or mother energy or something else like that.
But I will start looking for that, and sometimes there
is and sometimes there's not. Go ahead, I'll let you talk.

Speaker 3 (01:26:27):
I'll brief, well, I appreciate that wants you to be
it wants to be healthy. Uh, I say, I only
have thoughts like that about other people. Mm hm, who
do you think you are? What are you doing? Your suck?
So that's about everybody else, not me so now.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
But I would still have you if you were in
my office, I would still have you try to figure
out and basically what it is is, Okay, listen to that.
Do you think you are? Who do you think? And
I'll go when you say that, when you hear that
in your mind, is that a male voice or a

(01:27:07):
female voice? Having you say that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
I would think that it would probably be a female voice,
but I don't ever hear I'm just seeing it in
a hypothetical situation.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
Yeah, But if that's and they say female, Like I
say who in your family? It's usually a family or
a teacher. Who is it would say things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Are you actually asking me or just a hypothetical No, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Not hypothetical and you know that so.

Speaker 4 (01:27:42):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
That would that would absolutely be my father. So I
mean it wouldn't be female for me, it would be male.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
But so would then do several things. I would look
to see if it's an attackment or if it's something
that you've taken so much into yourself. When we do
healing work with is just because you have certain things,
you probably have you me. Everybody has healing work that
they need to do. And there's some there's simple for people.

(01:28:13):
There's all kinds of healing work. You know that people
can do simple things like that. But attachments, many times
they're just there. They are some people they just they're
walking along. I saw this happen one time down in
the mall. Down at the mall. I can't take the
last time I've been to a mall, but this was
years ago. When people went to the mall all the
time you go down the mall and I saw this spirit.

(01:28:37):
I could tell the spirit was attacked, and I don't
see with my eyes like some do. I'm more claire cognizant.
I know what is happening. And I saw this spirit.
It was just and I saw this spirit, which to
someone else it's like, oh I like her energy or

(01:28:57):
his energy better. Oh the color there, I'm going to
go play with them for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Well, since since time is happening, past president and future
all at the same time, that might have been me.
So uh, because that's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna
hop women to women to women, uh, make up for
make up for lost.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
I would I would help you find some other way
to be old. And to her wrass women.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Hey, I would not her wrass anything.

Speaker 4 (01:29:33):
He I will interject this since you're thinking it, Kathy,
because I can tell kind of you're on this wavelength
and you're like wavelengthen me. So, Mike's dad did pass recently,
and his spirit has been to Mike's house recently recently,
So if you know, we because even Mike asked the question,

(01:29:55):
you know, was it was he there just to say
hi and just say hey, I'm here, I'm around if
you need me, or was he there for some other
you know kind of reason.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Well, did he have a message. Did he have something
he wanted to say?

Speaker 4 (01:30:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Was the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
Yeah, So anyway, he's around.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
But I was told you just wanted to let me
know that he was around. Okay, same as my mom.

Speaker 1 (01:30:21):
Yeah, And so if I was seeing you, i'd say,
ask him if he's gone back to God since he
left his body. I say he had a life review.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
I don't know about the life review, but I know
he's golfed. So that's kind of the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
Not exactly for him, it is, but it isn't. I mean,
you can steal golf. But one of the things is,
so have you had a life review?

Speaker 6 (01:30:47):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Did you did you experience my feelings when you beat
the ship about of me at this time?

Speaker 3 (01:30:56):
Yeah. I'm not going to ask that question.

Speaker 1 (01:30:58):
Because you'll find out, and you'll find out what you
what we what is? We don't know that we all
want this, but we want everyone to return to God
and finish that life cycle. That's what I call it,
a life cycle to finish that. If you if you
haven't watched on YouTube the near death experiences of people,

(01:31:18):
you should because it's fun. Not should, but they're just really.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
Yeah, your NDEs, we're doing it we've got We've been
talking about it for years. We just have not found
the right person to have on yet. But we're going
to do a show on your death experiences. And I
find I think it's fascinating and being in the hospital
myself on the verge of being dead multiple times, I
am fascinated by that. Like why am I still around?

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
MH.

Speaker 3 (01:31:48):
I want to go back because I heard a term
that I've never heard before. I want I want more
information on it. Life review. So, I mean, I know
that it's been the thing where you stand in front
of the pearly gates and like Saint Paul is there
or whatever, Peter, Saint Peter there, we go.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
The right one the case to the Kingdom right so.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
And they're like, oh, you did this and this and that.
But I mean, what is a life review? Because is
it like where you have to relive everything that you've
ever done, right and wrong and feel the emotions of
other people that you like, helped or hurt in a nutshell.

Speaker 4 (01:32:32):
If you did.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
There's a purpose to the purpose is to see, is
for you to be able to experience what you learned,
for you to be able to experience the power of
your thoughts and your words and your actions and for
you to see how it has term effects so that

(01:33:00):
you know and I can tell you life review now
that I don't believe in hell. Life review just scares
the kajeebers out of me because I think of that
I actually experience the feelings of people, and we automatically
go to what we did wrong, to the things that
we're either ashamed of or feel guilty about or whatever.
And it's like, I don't want to experience the pain

(01:33:23):
that I caused on somebody else. And the channeling that
I do what I found is not only do we
see what resulted in else, we see what there our
actions on their actions did over generations.

Speaker 4 (01:33:41):
That's brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Don't you think that's brutal.

Speaker 4 (01:33:45):
I think that's brutal. That's helpful.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
But the whole purpose of it is not punishment. The
purpose of it is to be able to see the people,
to understand wisdom and knowledge. So the people that I
have known that had life reviews or that I listened
to those near death experience things, which is just amazing.
They say the one like, maybe it's Jesus who's showing

(01:34:09):
it to you, But it's according to your tradition and
what you believe, and so Jesus there says oh, and
it says they never do anything that's guilt or shame.
It's oh, this is where you learned this, This is
where you found out this, this is where you really
tried in whatever it is. So it is not meant

(01:34:32):
is pain. Although I heard someone tell a story. They
were listening to somebody else's near death experience and this
guy was having his life review. He was an assassin,
that was his job. He had a near death experience,
and in his life review he felt the pain not

(01:34:54):
only of every person that he had killed, but what
happened to their families, and just was that he just
crumbled and said, please stop, please stop, and he went
back and changed his life totally. So you have those experiences,
but most of us, what we focus on is the negative.

(01:35:15):
And what we don't realize is that crazy time that
you here was a mother with twins and a sack
and this and that and the other trying to get
in and you opened the door for her, and what
that did for her, Just that little bitty thing of
what it did, the time when you just were walking
along and you just smiled at someone and what that did.

(01:35:40):
And I think about the the story of this, well,
he was a young man, he was graduating from high
school and he was actually giving the address at high
school and he said to his best friend, he said,
when you met me that day, when we first met

(01:36:01):
each other, and you saw my arms filled with things,
and you offered to help me carry them home, and
you carried them home and we ended up talking and
having a good time. But I never told you that
I had cleaned out my locker so that my parents
didn't have to do it because I was killing myself
that day. And that's simple act of just helping him.

(01:36:27):
It changed life. And sometimes that happens, the simple thing
of it's you know, it's going to be okay. Something
you may even say flippantly to someone who you see
is having a hard time and say, look, it's going
to be okay. Hang in there. There's a woman who
would go and put notes and I think on the

(01:36:48):
Golden Gate Bridge in different places and say you don't
need to do this because they had such a high
suicide rate from there. And one person contacted I don't
know how she had her number or something, said you
can call me and talk. This person said, you saved
my life because I saw that and that just those words.

(01:37:09):
So when we feel that impulse to do something, we
are changing lives in many ways that we would never know.
And you have to realize you don't have to, but
it helps that when you save that life, you change
generations of lives, generations of lives, you know. So that
person may have Okay, they go and they have a child,

(01:37:32):
and then that child has a child who ends up
to be the one that discovered some huge thing semiconductor
could have been at one time. But we don't know
the power of our lives and those small things that
we do upon others. And that's that's one of the

(01:37:55):
most important to learn from a spiritual level. When you
talk about the supernatural zone, the supernatural zone is to realize.
For me, it's to realize the power of your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
Actually doing the supernatural zone.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
Yeah, and that's where I was getting it. I was
reading it is that we have so much supernatural within us.
It is beyond nature. It's like metaphysical, beyond the physical,
and the power is in our heart, in our thoughts.

(01:38:36):
And to realize that just the smallest thing can change
someone's life and we don't even know what it is.
And those little things, those are the things we're not
even going to remember.

Speaker 4 (01:38:54):
No, not until we're showing them in the review.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
Yeah. Are you running across someone that said when you
and I've had that, you know, as a therapist and
get things. And somebody runs into me and they said,
I never told you what you did for me. And
I have one woman she said, I became a social
worker because of you. Another person said, I begin to

(01:39:21):
believe in myself now. I've also got this call from
this one man who came to tell me of something
that I said to him, and it was about attachments
and changing his life or he was going to end
up in trouble. He was devastated by that, and he
called to tell me that It was years later and

(01:39:41):
I congratulated him on his courage, and I hope that
had a positive effect on it, because that, of course
wasn't my intent. And how many times do we have
good intentions and then we just say the wrong thing
at the wrong time.

Speaker 3 (01:39:59):
Well, I have to say, say, is I'm going on
a diet because I need to live for a.

Speaker 1 (01:40:02):
Lot of years.

Speaker 3 (01:40:05):
I don't I don't want I don't want my life
review quite yet.

Speaker 1 (01:40:12):
I can kind of understand that I'd probably try to
avoid mine at different times, for sure, But we may
need you in this podcast going on for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
Oh you definitely need to me. Day doesn't have any
clue how to run the show. Oh right, I go.
The show goes.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
Until I find a new co host who knows a
lot to run a show.

Speaker 3 (01:40:41):
Whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:40:44):
I don't want you to go anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:40:46):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:48):
I'm gonna be I'm gonna I'm gonna end my thought
with this though. If I had to have a life
review today, I'm comfortable.

Speaker 1 (01:40:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
I don't know that a lot of people can say that,
but I'm comfortab. If I had to have my life
review right now, there's going to be some stuff I'm
ashamed of, but I would not fear it. I would
embrace it as a learning moment. But I tell you what,
I am way to the positive side of love and
happiness and sharing and caring about people deeply than ever

(01:41:19):
hurting people and stuff I my life review right now
would not scare me in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
I just want to say Date that while we were
talking about this, you were sitting there looking really smug.
It shrunk my brain a little bit and frustration.

Speaker 4 (01:41:38):
Yeah, well, and it should have for you. But I'm
completely comfortable.

Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
That's fair.

Speaker 4 (01:41:46):
I mean, if I don't want to go anywhere right now,
obviously I've got things I still would like to accomplish.
I mean, I haven't got to meet Kathy yet. We're
going off for lunch this spring. I'd like to learn
more about this guy from the ECNCERCT record. Although I'm
what I'm going to share with her, maybe I don't
want to, but you know, I mean, there's a lot
of things I want to learn yet, and a lot

(01:42:06):
of people I still want to reach out and help
while I'm here. So this amazing going anywhere now, I'm
not going anywhere for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
So go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
I don't want to interrupt you because I'm changing the
topic totally.

Speaker 3 (01:42:19):
Oh I was too, So we're on the same page.
So the tok to what you want to talk about.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
I was going to share the incident that happened to
me that I told David one time that I think
originally got me on the show. Where I live right
outside of Sedona, Arizona, in a place called Cottonwood. Now
I'm lived in Houston for thirty five years. And if
he said, well, I've got to go over here, and
it's like five miles away, it takes an hour to

(01:42:44):
get there. So Cottonwood is twenty five miles from Sedona,
and usually it takes twenty five minutes to get there,
which is pretty cool. So we and that's the people
I live with, Barbon Fox and myself. We're sitting at
because we have youautiful sunsets on this side, and we
have beautiful sunrises on this side, and we have Sadona hat.

(01:43:08):
You can come to Sedona and take one of these
UFO go look for UFO kind of things, and I've
never done one, but it might be fun. But I'm
usually in bed well before that happens. But we're standing
out there and we're watching and there is this light,
this bright light, and it's a vehicle of sun time
and it is going fast, and you know, you have

(01:43:30):
an airplane next to it a way out did that
and it's going at a forty five degree angle and
we're sitting there watching it and it's going faster and
faster and faster, and it disappears just like you see
on Star trek and we looked at we went oh,

(01:43:50):
looking at that experience. And people around here will talk
about many many things that they see. The night sky
we have we have two places, and it seems to
happen seasonally, and it looks like a star, and yet
it dances and sometimes there's little red lights that come

(01:44:13):
from it that dance around, and we just really enjoy
the night sky and seeing those things. I didn't know
until I got here, and somebody was a friend of
mine who went to one of these tours that you know,
we're going to go find UFOs today or tonight, and

(01:44:34):
she was telling me things that you had to see,
and one of them was a perfect triangle. It's like
three different vehicles of the perfect triangle. Yard probably know
all about this one. I just reminded me that I
was in Houston in my front yard and it was
dusk and there where I was amazed at how there

(01:44:55):
were these three points of light, which I assume were
planes like j but they could be the perfect triangle
that held its space around there in Houston. And of
course you'd think there's probably a lot of UFOs with
the Space Center, you know, being held there at NASA
Center and stuff like that. So I've had a few

(01:45:16):
experiences like this. My housemate Barb, she actually had the experiment,
the experience of it must have been in a way
vehicle or something that was having a difficult time and
she saw it on the street trying to go and
get away, you know, get up, and finally it made
it up and took off. She's had that experience before.

(01:45:37):
It's really kind of fun when you hear people you
know around here. So that actually was the origin one
of the original things I shared with you, David and said, oh,
da da kind of thing, and.

Speaker 4 (01:45:50):
We kind of bounced a few stories off each other.
Absolutely so, and then I shared that with Mike and
we had a conversation about it and it was kind
of like this. So, do you think that the activity
for potential UFO activity around that Sedona area is because
of the I don't want to call them sacred sites,

(01:46:12):
but the high vibrational level sites that are.

Speaker 1 (01:46:15):
There, the vortexes that are.

Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
The vretexes that are there. Do you think that that
intelligent life from someplace other than the planet Earth is
drawn to special locations like that on the planet Earth
because they get something from it, whether it be maybe

(01:46:39):
it just makes them happy. I mean, it doesn't have
to give them something, right, it's not a reward. I mean,
it could just be it gives them a smile, it
gives them love and light, it gives them whatever. Or
it could give them a little bit of energy because
of the vortex, could give them some type of energy
that they need for their propulsion or whatever the case
might be. But do you think that not only Sidona,

(01:47:00):
but other areas around the planet Earth that are to
be locations like that? Do you think that entities are
drawn there because of something happening within our planet itself?

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
I think so. I think there are portals like that
starship that disappeared. I think went through a portal of
some kind. I was walking, come on, cav You'll remember
the name of the place anyway, somewhere out there near Enchantment,
and the name may come to me, and it was

(01:47:32):
one of my favorite places to walk. And I would
turn this one being one area and walk in. For
about three or four times that I was there. This
being I didn't see, I felt it about seven seven
five to about seven seven and a half feet tall,
would join me and I would talk to it and

(01:47:54):
get these It was all in my mind, right, you know.
It was the telepathic type thing. And what I learned
from that being was that, oh, somebody's not going to
like me saying this tough stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:48:11):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:48:14):
They were us from the future. We are here and
we are trying to keep you from making the mistakes
that we made. And I was asking at the time.
I said, we were talking about the environment, and I said, well,

(01:48:34):
does does recycling do anything? And he said, no, recycling
doesn't do anything except it makes people aware. I said, well,
what are the two what are the biggest things that
can cause problems? And one is what you could probably

(01:48:57):
guess pretty easily, was nuclear energy and the other was
the Heart program. Have all done art program?

Speaker 6 (01:49:05):
Yeah, in Alaska up in Alaska and control right.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
And also you have the military that uses it to
as they want to use it as a weapon, and
there have been cases where they've done nice little things
let things off. And we've had some earthquakes one and
HATI that one in Chile a while back, a few
years back, and I thought it was interesting, is that

(01:49:34):
those were the I can understand nuclear energy, but I
don't know enough about what heart does. I know that
its sound waves and things like that. And I also
know that people try to say, you know, the Heart program,
you're just into one of those conspiracy theories and stuff

(01:49:55):
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:55):
I don't think so. Yeah, but it's in a location
all by itself. You know, we're just monitoring the weather. Bullshit. Yeah,
that's bullshit. I'm throwing the bullshit flag. That's that's not
the case. It's a weapon that they're they're playing with

(01:50:17):
to see, you know. And we talked about this and
we've done We've talked about Nikola Tesla a lot on
this show, right, is some of the stuff that amazing
things that he did. You know, back in the day,
he created a death ray. Yeah, that, had it been weaponized,
would have ruled the world. And he intentionally destroyed it,

(01:50:37):
destroyed all of his records because he did not want
that to get into the hands of mankind.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
Mm hm.

Speaker 4 (01:50:44):
Right when he passed, the government stepped in and raided
his lab and took every single spec of everything he
had ever done, all of his journals, his papers, and
everything else. There was nothing left. Everything is probably in
the basement of the Smithsonian, yeah, somewhere there, which is

(01:51:06):
either that or the Vatican because that's like the two
places that have the biggest basements with all the things
that we would like to see that are hidden that
they won't share with us. So and that's not a
conspiracy theory, that's a fact. I mean he had he
had created a weapon that could have changed our lives
on a planet Earth, and then realized what a danger
that was to let that be put into somebody's hands

(01:51:29):
and destroyed it. That harp system is the same type
of thing, except for the fact that the boys who
don't need to play with that are playing with it. Yeah,
that's the only difference, and it's you know, it could
be catastrophic, the same thing when we talked about on
the show many times too. They talked about seeding the

(01:51:50):
atmosphere and how the general, the Army general said in
interview after interview, after interview and after interview that the
government is not seating the atmosphere. They have never done
anything like that. There are no chim trails, none of this,
none of that. It's all bullshit. It's all conspiracy theory.

(01:52:10):
And then when he retired, before he died, he did
an interview and said, yeah, we've been seating for the
last twenty years. Kim trails are a real thing, you know,
and he just let it all out because he had
nothing to lose at that point.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
I had a friend of mine that talked to one
of the pilots of with the kim trails, and the
pilot told him about the equipment that they have that's
there when they're kim trails, and people say, no, they're
just the vapor trails. You know, there's a difference or not.
There's a difference because I can tell it because they
dispersed very quickly and the others stay there for ages, right,

(01:52:49):
And it's it's fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:52:53):
Except for the fact that our weather has changed drastically
since we've been toying around with this, so.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
I don't I'd have to go and look how many
one hundred plus days did we have in Cottonwood And
it didn't used to get that hot. We're having the
temperatures that Phoenix used to have. Yeah, and now Phoenix
is getting hotter.

Speaker 4 (01:53:17):
Well, last fifty two and sunny with green grass on
the ground at my house on Christmas Day, Yeah, in
Miniat in Minnesota. I've lived in the Midwest for fifty
six of my fifty nine years. It has never been
green on Christmas Day, So something is and something is

(01:53:40):
up right, we're messing with stuff we shouldn't be messing with.
So it's fascinating to me that you spoke to this empathy,
this this future traveler for lack of a better term,
and I'm not trying to label it, so I'm just
putting a name on it. So this this traveler that
came back that shared that with you, that those are
the things is that we're that the mistakes that they

(01:54:02):
made we need to be aware of and we're living
in that life right now right, I mean, we're experiencing
it right now.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
So my question is, was there anything else that this
ddy decided to share with you.

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
Like lottery numbers? No be trifecta.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
It was interesting and that's all that that he talked in.
And it felt like a masculine energy. But that and
very how do I want to say, it isn't that
sense of love where you feel sometimes that when you're
experiencing the love surrounding you. But it was a very
caring energy and not concern in the sense that there

(01:54:51):
was any fear. It was this is the stuff that
you need to know.

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
It I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
I don't have anything. You know, there's nothing I can
do to stop that, It says, no. But the more
people that know, and the more people that know to
stay out of fear. And you know, people will call
all this kind of stuff conspiracy theories, and they don't
realize that the thing who is that journalist She has

(01:55:20):
mugs now that say I have to get new conspiracy
theories because all my others have been proven true.

Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
And I don't know, but I love that thing.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
And that is that Cheryl Atkinson I think is her name.
And what is interesting is that the whole thing that
I believe and I know y'all believe, and I'm sure
you've talked about on the show is how the media
does everything they can to produce fear. And my housemate barbed,
she's a she's a newshound and she watches she probably

(01:55:55):
watches this news while she's quit doing it twenty four
hours a day because now she watched some other things.
But I'm constantly saying, can we watch something with a plot? Yea,
And to get away from that, And in the channeling
that I do, it comes up as the key is
to stay out of fear. So with the heart source

(01:56:17):
that's developed is that it keeps us balanced so that
we can feel, experience, hear the truth, and to know
when things are just garbage, when they're off. And you know,
it doesn't matter whether they're liberal or conservative or don't
have anything, they don't nobody tells the truth, right, you know,

(01:56:38):
it's always twisted in some way. And so we have
to and I really mean that, we have to learn
how to stay in our heart. Shock or why are
we talking about staying in love there? No, you're talking
about staying out of fear. This is the center of
your body that you can stay out of fear, that
you can breathe and go, oh okay, be quiet, be calm,

(01:57:05):
do those types of things so that you can just
listen and feel your intuition to feel. Does that really
feel right? Not up here in your head, but here
are in your gut?

Speaker 4 (01:57:22):
Yeah, mine's in my gut. I'm just gonna say that. Yeah.
Call I call it my spidy senses because it tingles
like when if I'm walking into a situation and there's
something that's important that I need to know. It doesn't
have to be paranormal. It could just be any situation.
If there's something important I need to be aware of,
Like I need to be more alert and attentive to

(01:57:43):
my surroundings. I'll get the butterflies in my belly m
all the time. That's my telltale.

Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
Sign I had the first time I had COVID, I
had this experience. I have this. Let's just say, I
like carbs and the only way for me to not
half carbs is the only reason for me waited, for
me to manage cards is to not have any. And
I was going to do some emotional eating. And I
went to the grocery store and I got always ice cream,

(01:58:15):
a frozen keey Line pie, and some cookies. And I
was I, people may wonder, how can you you're only
five two of this about? Yeah, I could eat all
that one day. My body was screaming. I mean it
was screaming.

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
Well, I didn't eat all of it, but I ate
half of it, and twelve hours later I had COVID.
I was sick as a dog. It was right when
this was first starting in it my immune system was
and it wasn't didn't everything to do with COVID. It
had to do with the fact that I just burned
out my immune system and I got whatever virus was
coming around, and it happened to be COVID at that time.

(01:58:56):
And the last few years have all been difficult physically
because I did that and didn't listen to what my
body was saying to me. Because I I've had a
whole series of things, and so it's trying to pay
more attention to my body and to listen when it

(01:59:18):
says don't do that. Do I do it all the time,
you know, But it's something that I've been making a
greater effort at doing. And there are things that are
real simple that don't aren't really paranormal in the woo
woo kind of thing. But we all know what is

(01:59:39):
right for us if we listen.

Speaker 4 (01:59:43):
It's the free will moment.

Speaker 1 (01:59:45):
It is, and it's the free will moment.

Speaker 3 (01:59:47):
It's the free will moment, and we have the free
will to in the show.

Speaker 4 (01:59:53):
Regretfully, it has been two hours. Yeah, we will fast.

Speaker 1 (01:59:56):
You told me that it would go fast.

Speaker 3 (01:59:58):
Yes, that and uh, you know, just to put a
final point on, uh, what you were just talking about.
It was interesting now you said, like, you know, nobody
tells the truth and stuff like that, and one of
the uh, one of the things that I've always struggled
with is where what what is my what is my

(02:00:19):
purpose you know here specifically? And uh. And this is
something I've you know, I've asked Sena about and whatnot,
and she's answered it the same way both, you know,
every time that I've asked her. Uh, And it's you're
the truth teller and you know, and that's why you know,
I have to do this show because it's a way

(02:00:41):
for for the truth to to get out.

Speaker 4 (02:00:45):
But which is hilarious that you said it tonight. Kathy
Casina has called me that for years. She's like, you're
one of the star seeds. Yeah, and then hey, and
I just let it kind of fly by at the moment.

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
I think, I think you're more of a weed seed myself.

Speaker 1 (02:01:07):
I think David, we connected pretty quickly.

Speaker 4 (02:01:10):
We did.

Speaker 1 (02:01:11):
Yeah, Yeah, we really, I mean by jewelry from the
salesman you know here, just got a hold of him
and we connected pretty quickly. And I think that there's
probably on another level in the star seat category that
we know each other very well.

Speaker 4 (02:01:26):
I'm sure we do. Yeah, because I feel very comfortable
with you, and I have that happen to people, you know,
I've got. I've got out of the six hundred clients
I have right now, I have three people, you and
two other individuals that I feel like we we we
know each other, We've shared quality times together and bond
on some way out Dave. But anyway, So what I

(02:01:48):
want to do is I'd like to give Kathy a
moment to kind of promote herself exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:01:53):
Yeah, Okay, where can people get a hold of you?

Speaker 4 (02:01:57):
Where can they find you? Our listeners get ahold of you,
go through some of these life sessions with you and stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:02:04):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:02:05):
My email address Kathy with A C. Chapman C A
c A t h y c h A p m
A n p h D at gmail dot com. My
website is Odyssey O D Y S S C Y.
A lot of people don't know how to spell that,
what y'all hight I have people spell it O D

(02:02:29):
D Odyssey to holdness w H O L E N
E S S dot com. And my YouTube channel where
I have lots of my Sunday ceremonies and other things,
is d R C A T h y p h
D on YouTube. So those are the best ways to

(02:02:49):
get a hold of me, beautiful and I have thoroughly
enjoyed myself.

Speaker 4 (02:02:56):
We're glad, thank you, thoroughly enjoyed your being here.

Speaker 1 (02:03:00):
You're welcome, thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:03:02):
Yeah, thank you for coming on. And because we only
got to like two of our topics out of the
seven that we had just from last week.

Speaker 4 (02:03:09):
Yeah, I didn't even get a question out.

Speaker 3 (02:03:11):
Yeah yeah, well week, we'll bring you back.

Speaker 4 (02:03:17):
You'd like to come back, We would love to have
you back.

Speaker 3 (02:03:19):
Autely, we would love to come back, all right, well
until next time then, but Dave, Dave and I'll be
back next week with our Halloween episode talking about the
Crossroads Demon, and so we want to see you back
here next week. Everyone, Stay healthy, stay safe, have a
great night.

Speaker 1 (02:03:39):
Take care,

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