Episode 318 - Halloween Spooktacular_ Crossroad Demons

It's our special Halloween Spooktacular edition of The Odyssey Files! Filled with not only fun random Halloween trivia and facts, but Dave and Mike dive deep in the lore surrounding the infamous Crossroads Demons!


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I I God.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Good evening, paranormal community, and thank you for partaking in
our Halloween spooktacular here on the Odyssey Files.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
I am your spook tacking, your host Michael ooneal with
me as spooky as ever is my co host, mister
David Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Good evening, Dave, good evening, Mike, good evening to all
of our Halloween loving fans that might be logging in tonight.
I love Halloween.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
By the way, I am okay with Halloween.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Favorite show of the I saw. I will tell you
what this year. I was looking early and the price
of Halloween Animatronics has dropped substantially. They have one for
two hundred dollars. Not just gonna say where you can
find it, but it's a great big gunline box car.

(02:17):
And it's a seven foot tall, like hooded reaper looking guy,
and he has a child in his hands, and he
starts talking about how he's going to steal her soul.
He picks her up, like raises his hands so she's
face to face with him. His eyes turned green, smoke
starts pouring out of the hood. Her face lights up

(02:39):
with bright orange eyes, and he starts drawing, literally like
a mist or something fires out of her mouth and
he sucks it in like he's sucking the soul out
of her. Two hundred dollars. I'm like, now, I got
to go buy a house. I have to have a
yard to put that in. That's the most beautiful Halloween
thing I've seen. It's a good thing they didn't have

(03:00):
those things when I when I was big into Halloween
when my kids were growing up, because good god, I
would have had like five thousand dollars worth of Halloween
stuff in my heart. There are you not doing the
Halloween background? Is it gonna just be I'm going to
be a loner.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I'm trying, but this is like it it doesn't because yeah,
I'm just not right now. May I'll get to a leader. Okay,
So yeah, we were we were going to both go
Halloween background, but Dave brought it up like about two, yeah,

(03:39):
twenty two seconds before we were supposed to go on
the air, and that just wasn't enough. And yeah, so
I'll just do my own.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
It'll just be spookyo by him.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Now, I'll just I'll just go to the beat of
my own drum here. So anyway, we have an amazing
as I'm trying to type a doc at the same time,
which doesn't really work.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
A great show for you, a great amazing But I'm
going to go fun.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
It's gonna be fun because I found I found some cool.
I mean not only do I did, I find some
information on the Crossroads Demon. But as I was telling you,
and I only share this because for all of you

(04:39):
people out there who are are going to listen to
the show or at some point in your life, I
want to look up information on the Crossroads Demon. It's
like ninety percent Supernatural show and like two percent actual
Crossroads information, and the other.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Eight percent is like crap, now you gotta you got it.
You got to start at about page six to actually
find anything. Yes, so those the first five pages are
all Supernatural references. Yes, and there's nothing wrong with that
supernatural show. But for our purposes, yes, that's not what

(05:20):
we were looking for.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah, trying trying to do research on something that has
been made a thousand times more popular in mainstream because
of a TV show means that the information you're looking
for is now on the back burner, right because nobody
cares about the actual information on the cross Rooms Demon.
They only want to look up supernatural, right, and uh

(05:46):
in general, good for you, uh specifically for this show
up yours. You made this so much more difficult, uh,
for for myself. I was for Dave, but for myself
you did. But it's okay because we're going to take

(06:07):
the information we do have and share with everybody, and
we're going to share some amazing Halloween facts. Like I
found one that I did not know period ever that
I thought was hilarious, well like spooky hilarious, Like, oh
my god, I never knew that. That's where you know,

(06:27):
the origin story was? And so do we want to
start there?

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Sure? Go ahead, Oh, perfect place.

Speaker 3 (06:37):
Perfect place. So trick or treating okay, yep. Trick or
treating comes from the ancient practice called souling, where children
would go door to door asking for food and money
in exchange for praying for the souls of the dead.

(07:01):
I like that, I do too, Like who knew our
children could be so exploitive, Like they're exploiting people's need
for prayers and and like goodwill.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
That's one right there, it is.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
But I mean that's better than showing up asking if
they need their lawnmode, because then you actually have to
do some work. I mean, here, you just have to say, hey,
I'll say a kind word for your dead mom.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Give me, yeah, twenty bucks, and I will say a
prayer for all of your loved ones.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah. You know. The thing about this is this goes
really well with purgatory because it took like that. It
takes like the prayers of the living in order to
get like loved ones or whatever out of purgatory. Right,
and so it's almost like, hey, I heard a rumor
that your your dead mom's in purgatory. You want a

(08:00):
little I want me to help her out. I'm a
little sometimes.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
A little scratch, you know. Yeah, exactly how many Benjamin.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Do you got me? And my name?

Speaker 1 (08:15):
About a little something for to carry? You know, I
have a little little something, you know, for the effort,
for the effort. So, so he says, on my deathbed,
I will regain complete consciousness that going for me. And
if you don't know what that is, his shame on you,

(08:37):
because it's one of the three best movies ever made.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Agreed. So apple Bobbing did not know this, which again
made me laugh. The tradition of apple bobbing originated in
Britain where women would bob their heads and water to
try to bite into apples named after their male suitors.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
And so if you got the app if like his
name was carved in the apple or something, and that's
who you hooked up.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
With, I don't know. It doesn't go into ah, like
more more detail than that.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
Well, I can tell you what the next I'm going
to implement that and then like the next time I
do that, every apple and there's gonna have Dave on it.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
It's almost like what Koch used to do when they
would have you know, shake hands with your name on it. Yeah,
the bottles or whatever they would have the names on it.
I know, I took a photo. I got one that
named Rachel and I a good friend Rachel, so I
took a photo of it and sent it to her
and uh but uh, yeah, they don't do that anymore. No,

(09:49):
it's too bad.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Who knows, they probably got sued.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Who could sue them for putting you know, random.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
People for anything these days?

Speaker 3 (10:01):
I can only imagine that it would be considered baseless
and get tossed out immediately.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
I would hope I wouldn't think so, but you know, well,
look look at it this way right going back now,
I don't know how many years it was ago, but
the red Bull gives you wings. They had to re
spell the word wings to a nonsensical number of eyes
because the guy sued him and said, I drink red
Bull and I never sprouted any wings. Anyone settled out

(10:28):
of court for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So
there are some trivial there are some kind of factless,
fruitless lawsuits that actually go through so they do.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
This is off the Halloween, but since it's on the
same topic, I just I absolutely love this one. It's
the Winnebago. A person bought a new Winnebagel, went down
the road, went down the highway, set the cruise control,
and then got up to go and make himself a
pot of coffee. And naturally the Winnebago left, left the

(11:06):
road and crash. And he sued Winnebago because nowhere in
their manual did it say they could not get out
of the chair m to go while the vehicle was
in motion. And any won.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Yeah, well sure he did, because right, and so it's
so the cruise make a sandwich.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
The bottom line of that, like the conclusion to that
story when I read it was so Now in the
manual it has it in there that you cannot leave
your seat while the vehicle is in motion, in case
any other idiots want to buy their product.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Oh my god. Yeah, that's bad.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Yeah, that's so. Anyway, back to Halloween.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, back to Halloween. We'll save more stupid stories like
that for two guys and some chips when we get
around and doing that.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
So, oh yeah, that's the Darwin Awards.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
So on average, So I like this. On average, kids
bring home eleven thousand calories worth of candy on Halloween.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
That's it. That's because people don't give away enough chocolate
these days. That's you know. Yeah. I mean, if you
gave away chocolate, it'd be a lot higher than eleven thousand.
But I do like this one too. Junk Carpenters eight
nineteen seventy eight horror movie Halloween, which is just a

(12:30):
classic horror movie, a classic Halloween. You gotta watch it
at Halloween. Have you ever seen it? Don't tell me
you haven't seen it. I think I with Michael Byers
the original with Jamie Lee Curtis when she was young. Okay,
it was filmed in twenty one days. That's pretty amazing
to film a movie in twenty one days. That's impressive,
especially when that became a classic. Yeah, I mean that's

(12:52):
like Blair Witch Project Fast.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
I'm sure though, that the cult classic Thanks Killing was
probably filmed in about twelve hours. Yeah, probably, Yeah, they
in twenty twenty two. I should probably look up the
twenty twenty three, but it just kind of showed up.

(13:16):
So maybe it takes a bit to get like all
the numbers in. But in twenty twenty two, Americans plan
to spend more than ten billion dollars on Halloween. Wow,
says Halloween. So that's all the costumes and candy. Yeah, right,
decorations and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (13:34):
It's impressive. That's an impressive number. Though. Yeah, here's and
here's what's not impressive. Seeing Christmas shit in the stores
before Halloween. That's amazing. That is not impressive at all.
At least wait until Halloween is over.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Have some respect, and we're just forgetting about they are
we just forgetting about Thanksgiving or what?

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Well? Christ they don't even nobody cares about thanks anymore,
apparently not. I mean that, I mean, it's a great tradition.
It's an American type of tradition. But but so it's Halloween.
I mean Australia doesn't even celebrate Halloween. Well, Australia commercialism,
American commercialism. They don't even recognize it.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
It is it is American commercialism.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
No, the original Halloween started back in Europe. It's their fault.
I'm blaming the Europeans. Oh sam Hame days.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
There actually is a sam Hamophobia, there is.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
I saw that the.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Fear of Halloween. People who have this phobia experience anxiety
when they think about or experience anything related to Halloween.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
And you know what, the fear of candy is called.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Candy obia.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Nonsense.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
That's a good call bullshit, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Because there is those such thing as a fear of candy.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
So, speaking of bullshit, candy, candy corn, God, what segue?

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Stuff is so bad?

Speaker 3 (15:11):
So the candy corn is one of the oldest Halloween candies,
dating back to the eighteen eighties.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
I think it's the same every year. I think that
I do give it away, people throw it away. Somehow
it gets recycled out of the garbage can back into
our society and it just gets handed out again and again.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Well, I agree. I honestly think that some of the
candy corn that has given out was the original. The
original candy corn from me from the eighteen eighties. It
was invented by George Renninger, a person who I'm sure
his tombstone gets toilet papered every year. Oh God, at

(15:52):
the One Girl Candy Company in Philadelphia. So candy corn
was invented in Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Well, shout out to Philly.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
You did it again, Philly.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
You know I've eaten it when I was younger. I
will say this, it's cool looking. I'll give it its props.
It doesn't look it looks it looks cool for a
little candy. It looks like some kind of fancy tree frame.
It's like made specifically for Halloween. But it's just just
makes it like a gummy out of it or something.

(16:29):
Do something different with it, you know, like a hot
like gummy chewed kind of thing. I mean I would
do that, Like I like gummy stuff like that, like
gummy worms and gummy bats.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
You know I need I need a candy corn gummy.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, I would do Yeah. So if we see that
for next year, we're suing because that was our idea.
Here percent of annual candy sales in the US are
for Halloween. That's an impressive number of the candy sales
in the US are specifically for Halloween. I wonder, I

(17:08):
wonder what the average person like puts on weight wise
for Halloween. I wonder if it's like the same thing
for like when Christmas comes around and Grandma's baking cookies
and pies and treats, and I can't imagine lighton dips, And.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
I just I can't get behind that that, you know,
ten fun size snicker bars is like an entire meal.
I mean, I'm not saying that people only eat like
the fun sized snicker bars, you know, ten of them,
they you know, at least a thousand, But uh no,

(17:49):
I just I just can't get behind the whole the
Halloween candy season and the whole entire Christmas seas in, yeah,
that's about Christmas. Hand stout, hands out, got it Christmas.
So I don't know if you're gonna agree with this
or not. Yeah, So I decided to look up for

(18:13):
the fun facts the ten the top ten Halloween movie
slash TV shows ranked. So this is a combination the
two not just right, yeah, not just yeah, Fall, Halloween
Fall movies and TV series of all time, and it

(18:38):
goes down to like one thirty. But I'm just the
top ten because that's all I care about, right, And
some of these I've never even heard of before. When Good,
When Good, Ghouls Go Bad?

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Never heard of it neither.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Two thousand and one. It's an hour and a half
made for TV movie. But here's what I love. When
twelve years old Danny Walker moves to his father's hometown
in Minnesota, oh he finds that the town doesn't celebrate
Halloween and things aren't quite what they appear to be,
which I find completely stupid considering Anoka, Minnesota itself, I'm

(19:21):
like the Halloween capital of the world.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, I was just gonna say, you if it was
in Minnesota, it definitely was not anywhere near.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Ronoka or the Twin Cities. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
The Twin Cities.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah, yeah, like you're out Alexandria or something like that.
And I'm even sure they celebrate Halloween. I don't know
for sure, though.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I'm thinking more like you're
Barmba Bidgie or h being or something like that.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
International balls, yeah exactly. But Christopher Lloyd isn't it. That's
interesting and it was only night in two thousand and one.
Number nine Monster House.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
Oh, good movie.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Not to be confused with Animal House.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
No, the Pixar one, right, uh no, this one is different.
I don't know. I saw the animated one that was
pretty good. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
It says three teens discover that their neighbor's house is
really a living, breathing, scary monster.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Oh yeah, that's the animated one.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
That is the animated one.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Animated one.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah, okay, all right. I was wondering how they would
make a house like a scary monster. And that makes
that makes sense, That does make sense.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Number eight Beetlejuice.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Oh classic, although I never did tea Beetlejuice too. I
wonder if that's gonna I wonder if somebody's streaming intent,
some streaming channel is going to put that out for
Halloween so we can watch Beetlejuice too.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I believe Prime has Beetlejuice two out, but you have
to pay for it. You know, it's available for to
rend or buy. Yah one of those.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
The day after Halloween, it'll be free.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
It'll be on Netflix or something.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
It'll be it's gonna say it'll be on Paramount Plus
for free the day after Halloween.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Yeah. Number seven Casper.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
I give Casper some props because I grew up with
watching Casper on a regular Saturday morning weekly basis.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Number sixty Adams Family Classic Classic.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Now this one I don't think gets the props that
it deserves. A movie called Trick or Treat.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Oh, good movie.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yes, I've only seen it once, but I like went
out and bought it and then never watched again, and
I lost it somehow. I think I borrowed it to
a friend and then I never.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Ever got it back.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, but it's on it's on streaming now anyway.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Oh yeah, it's always somebody always has a playing for Halloween.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yeah. If you've never seen the movie Trick or Treat,
do so. It's it is actually amazingly well put together.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Yeah, it is disturbing. It's a really good movie for Halloween.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Shockingly good. Number four Halloween Town.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
It's got to be the Disney one.

Speaker 3 (22:15):
It's it's animated.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, I'm assuming, No, I don't think it is. Halloween
Town is where they have the competition for the best
Halloween decorations. Is that the one that Eddie Murphy's in.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
No, no you're thinking of Yeah, although that maake was good.
The result when a young girl living with her secret
witch mother learns she's too is a witch. She must
help her witch grandmother save Halloween Town from evil forces.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Nope, I'm not sure I saw that.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah, it is a Disney movie, but it's a Disney
like live action like it's not animated.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Gotcha.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
I think the last three go without introduction. Number three
The Nightmare before Christmas Classic Classic? Uh, Number two Halloween Classic?
And number one well, gus Pocus.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yes, that's a good movie.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
That I watch it every every Halloween.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
One of my sister's absolute favorites. I watch it because
she watches it.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
What what I don't like is the fact that what
is it?

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Wow, it's not even out yet. The number eighteen is
already beetlejuice. Beetlejuice.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Wow. What about hocus Pocus too?

Speaker 3 (23:47):
That's what I was looking up. Number twenty three Okay,
I don't even think it deserves to be up that high.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
I don't either curious the original hocus Pocus, those classic.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Yes, what bothers me? And I guess that's not a
well it kind of is because it takes placed in
the fall. It's what you named earlier, the Blair Witch Project. Yeah,
I mean that that takes place in the fall because
they have all the leaves and stuff all over the ground.
But yet so far it is not on this list

(24:16):
in the top Oh, Supernatural's number forty five, Go after Yourselves.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Yeah, well that list sucks obviously.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
I'm just gonna say, come on, it is fifty one.
You don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Oh, it was great. That's a good movie, of course,
especially if you're afraid of clowns, like I'm not afraid
of clowns. Man, if you're afraid of clowns, that's a classic.
I agree.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
I don't know what this.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
My analogies must be bad today. Boy, my voice feels rough.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
I haven't noticed any difference, Yeah, I don't. I honestly,
like I have watched a lot of like gleat countdowns.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
I can't believe that.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
I know, it just shows up, but I don't know
what the problem is. It's just it just shows up.
And I never agree with those lists, and I don't
I agree with some of them on the list that
I just read, just just not all of them, and
maybe that's because I haven't seen all of them in
the top ten, but yeah, I mean Supernatural, come on,

(25:32):
number forty five, but that you're gonna have Michael Jackson's
The Thriller.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Oh, come on, that's that's good. That's a great that's
a great video.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah. Number twenty Dave is the Batman?

Speaker 1 (25:50):
No, what the hell is that doing on a Halloween list?
I get that out of here exactly.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
That's what I'm saying. Supernatural, which is like right up
there is number forty five, but the Batman. No, and
that's the Robert Patterson one. No, not saying it's a
bad movie does not deserve to be on this list.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
No, I will say this for the adults out there
that like to have a beverage every now and then,
you can get yourself a spooky cocktail at Applebee's for
a while. They're the dollar Zombie.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
The dollar Zombie.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
I know it was zombie turquoise blue and it's got
a floating gummy eyeball in it and they're a dollar,
which is amazing.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
I wouldn't have one even if I want, unless they
had like a virgin zombie.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
But yeah, I don't know if they make virgins.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
They might what's even in them?

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Do you know some sort of really sugar laden cocktail
mixture and rum and then a gummy eyeball and a
gummy eyeball. That's awesome. I'm sure you could get one
for it probably costs you three dollars if they have
to make make it for you without the room, but
with the realm minute it's only a buck.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
So well, ain't that swell?

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Not promoting Applebee's just saying, well, it's our show. We
can promote whatever the hell we want to, but nothing
wrong with nothing wrong with hitting Applebee's a couple of
times a year, I.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Agree, especially with the there you go, the we're all festive.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
Down we go. Just kidding.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
Anyway, I've been reading off a lot of mine.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Do you have any of your own? But I did
give me on me.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
Did you just closed it all down?

Speaker 1 (27:46):
I did, yeah, because when you were talking, when you
were doing yours, I was like, well, he's covering them all,
so I'll just close mine. Umm.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
I think we talked about that last time we did.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
And yeah, I'm kind of looking because I don't want
to repeat everything we did. You know, trick or treating
as a medieval past. We know that. We talked about it. Yeah,
talked about the unexpected romantic backstory.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
You mean about the bobbing for apples.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Well that and then they used to take apple peels
and they throw them over their shoulder, and when they
went and picked them up, they would hope to see
the initials of their loved one like magically appear in
the apple peel, like carved in the apple peel.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Ah. We talked last time about the Des Moines Beggars Night.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
I think I don't think we did. It doesn't sound familiar.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Really, Okay? Well, des Moines, Des Moines, Iowa, just south
has a tradition tradition called Beggars Night, and that's the
night before Halloween. Young children to morn hiss the streets
for Beggars Night. Uh. The event began around nineteen thirty eight.

(29:03):
Its way to prevent vandalism give younger children a safer way.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
To enjoy Halloween.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Bears nine is similar to trigger treating, except kids are
required to tell a joke, poem, or perform a quote
unquote trick for a treat. The best part the jokes
in Notorio has grown worthy, like if April showers brings mayflowers.
What do may flowers bring pilgrims? That's exactly what its pilgrims.

(29:35):
Get your best jad jokes ready, Oh David, you and
your dad, you and your dad.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Jokes can't help. But it's a classic.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Uh, of course, the White House haunted. We already knew that.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, we know that, President Lincoln.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Oh yeah, President linc.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
The jess carried the be Jesus out of it? Was
it the British Prime Minister Churchill? We have Winston Churchill
walked out of the bathroom naked and I had taken
a nice soaking bath and had his cigar and walked
out of there, walked out of there to get come
back into the bedroom and kind of get his clothes
laid out, pajamas laid out to go to bed. And

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Abraham Lincoln was standing in there and his famous quote was,
excuse me, mister president, you seem to have caught me
at a disadvantage. Now, that's just a classic response to
seeing a ghost, right, because you knows the Abraham linco.
Everybody knows who Abraham Lincoln is. And and I don't

(30:42):
know if you have the list up anymore, but if
Abraham Lincoln the Vampire Killer is not on the top
twenty of that list, then that list is horseshit. It's
nut because that movie is classic.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
I agree, it wasn't even the top fifty.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, it's bullshit, but yet they have Practical Magic at
fifty three. No, I'm sorry, but Abraham Lincoln. If you're
listening and you've never seen Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Killer or
Vampire Hunter, whichever.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
One it was, Vampire Hunter great, just a great kind
of twist of a classic story about our American president
when he was young and vampires, which does not go together.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
But this movie is actually really good, so it actually
does go together.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
And what's not at all good anymore?

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Is this list? No?

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Okay, so remember the Batman. The Batman was number twenty,
but Ash Versus Evil Dead is fifty six.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Ash Versus Evil Dead is top ten all day long.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
I mean Evil Debt in itself is top ten. I know,
creepy the remake of that. My kids wouldn't even watch it.
When they did the remake of that movie, and they
went all out with the with the CGI effects and
the lady that was locked, the one of the group

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that went down and got locked into that cellar door
that fell through the floor, and she stuck her head
back up, and the lady standing in the living room
actually peed herself in fright. My kids were up and
out of the room and would not come back in
the room and maybe turn the TV off. I mean,
that was a dad moment that every day can be

(32:38):
proud of when your kids are that disturbed by a
movie choice that you make that they actually leave the
room and refuse to come back in till the TV
is turned off. So you're girls.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Speaking of being embarrassed to the point you could turn
the TV off. Yeah, Batman Forever, which we all know
is the George Clooney. I believe ban Man number sixty nine,
number seventy, the conjuring. That's exactly what I think. I'm

(33:11):
just doing it. Oh my god, what what? This can't
even what six?

Speaker 1 (33:18):
I can't even I can't even talk to that list anymore.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Poltergeist is number seventy six. Poltergeist.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Paltergeist is a top twenty. I agree, but it's hard.
You'd have to move some movies around. But Poltergeist, you know,
I hadn't watched it forever, and I think it was
last year before Christmas, I watched it again and I'm like, God,
I forgot how good this movie is. And it's not

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just the scene where they dug the pool and the
bodies popped up because they built it on a burial ground,
just the all of the spectral energy that was coming
through the television set and just the all the weird
stuff that was happening. I mean, that was a really
really well done movie, especially considering it's old now.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
It's old now.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
I'm just saying, right, like it was done quite a
while ago, but watching it without it being remade, watching
the original, it was still it was still a really
really good movie. Yeah, just like you're never going to
convince me that, oh never mind, I forgot.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yeah, this uh, this list is terrible. Yeah, and sorry,
Dave No, Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Well that's just a shame. It is a shame.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
But then again, I don't Yes, you'd put that in
there for like creep factor, but I don't know if
it's necessarily Halloween Fall or TV series because not a
TV series.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
No, I'll give them that, but neither is The Batman exactly.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
I just I'm never I'm never gonna get over that.
I'm sorry, it's gonna haunt me. Like you know people
like shoot up in bed after a nightmare and they
like scream out something. Yeah, you know that's gonna be mine.
I'm just gonna like the Batman and I'm just gonna
go back to sleep like it's gonna haunt me.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Oh my god. Okay, I gotta mention this. So pumpkin carving.
Love pumpkin carving. It's just it's just a classic. I
mean when they came out with those kits you could
buy many years ago where you could make the intricate designs,
I was all over that stuff. Man. Yes it was
copied on there. I get it, and it took a

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lot of time. I get that too. But but some
of those designs are really really good. So anyway, I
just want to point out that Pennsylvania is the home
to the world's fastest pumpkin carver. Steve Clark from Pennsylvania
carved a traditional Jack o' lantern style pumpkin in sixteen

(36:11):
point four seven seconds. So Steve a PLI like golf clip.
That is impressive. Now, he obviously seconds, that's impressive. He
obviously didn't gut it.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
No, no, chainsaw or some kind of like you know,
sawza or something. But no, he did not gut it. No,
but he carved it in under twenty second.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
That's impressive. So sixteen point four seven seconds.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
So, speaking of Jack Lanyarn's or pumpkins, the city of Keene,
New Hampshire, in twenty thirteen set the Guinness Book of
World Records for having thirty thousand, five hundred and eighty
one Jack lanyerns on Blake lit.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, I'm that used to be a big deal. Like
every year they would top each other. There was a
couple of different like cities that made like a big
deal lot of that, and so it became this competition
with the different cities from different states that were like
competing to see how many they could get. That's impressive though,
how much was it? Thirty one thousand.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
And eighty one? Apparently pumpkins, they they have broken their
own record eight different times Wow since since their original attempt.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Wow. Good for them.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
So and they have a photo of like it's just
like this big shelving unit in the middle of town
just as is like tons and tons of Jack lanyards
on it.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
That's impressive. It is it's my background and your background. Well,
oh I gotta go this way.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah, there you go get there. That's perfect. You just
say the way the rest of the show. Uh, we
could still hear you, that's all we Yeah, you can.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Hear me, that's all. It's important. See, let's see the
let's see the cool background. You don't need to be partner.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Yeah, that's exactly what I was going for.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
That's exactly what you were going for. I know.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
All right, let's see here. I there's so much facts here.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Well, how about this? The spooky hit Monster Mash, which
is a classic Halloween song, was once banned by the BBC.
They made the unusual decision to ban the nineteen sixty
two hit song from airplay because they considered it too morbid.
It was over a decade later, in nineteen seventy three,
when the Halloween hit finally got the attention it deserved

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in the UK. Eleven years after its release, the song
hit number three in the UK charts. The most mush
he did, that much he did the moons. It was
a yards mush.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Well, if you're if your allegies are kicking in, it's
perfect for the Monster Mash.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, I was just laughing at that. We thought my
voice is rough.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
We uh we mentioned we mentioned Anoka, Minnesota. YEP, so apparently, uh,
it says a small Minnesota city. Obviously, Talka is believed
to have hosted the very first Halloween parade in nineteen twenty.

(39:45):
Obviously it has more than seventeen thousand residents now, but
Anoka still celebrates the holiday each year with a house
decorating contest, a five k RN, and three Halloween parades,
one of which was yesterday.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
I'm going to say this, so on one of my lists,
when I was looking up kind of stuff for Halloween,
it said the largest Halloween parade is in New York City.
And I'm dismissing that because I'm allowed to because it's
our show. So I'm dismissing that because per capita, per capita,

(40:22):
Halloween does not have the largest Halloween parade.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
I mean New York.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah, what did I say?

Speaker 3 (40:31):
You said Halloween doesn't have.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Oh I'm sorry, yes, sorry, New York does not have
the largest Halloween parade per capita measurement. Now, I think
it's a noka, and you got to give respect where
respect is due.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Here's one that's interesting. So We talked about this before
on the show many many times, and that's public's belief
in ghosts, and it says, do you believe in the
paranormal experiences and apparitions? If so, you're far from alone.
According to a twenty nineteen so this is a pretty
recent one you gov poll, four out of ten Americans

(41:13):
believe that there are ghosts, demons, and other supernatural entities exist.
Out of those surveys, thirteen percent also believe that vampires
are real. Well, some people are dumb, some people aren't exactly.
I would have thought that more more than forty percent
would believe in ghosts.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
I would say that's low. I think the last thing
that I saw that was like an actual poll that
they took, it was something like close to sixty percent. Yeah,
if you've listened to this show for seven years and
listen to us talk and listen to our guests and
the topics that we've covered, and done some research on

(41:56):
your own, and you don't think that there's something going
on outside of the normal realm of human existence, then
I'm not sure what you're still doing here, to be honest,
I mean, it could be because you like us. That's great.
Please continue, but you know, because we like to have

(42:19):
fun on the show, so please don't, you know, don't
leave the show. That wasn't meant to be offensive, but honestly,
like we've covered some really over the last seven years,
we have covered some really amazing things and shared some
really amazing experiences. And one of my favorite favorite locations

(42:40):
to investigate has now been turned into the paranormal equivalent
of Walt Disney World. And I can't say it on
the show because I'm not going to and I'm not
going to say how I feel about it because it's
ladened with a bunch of the f BO and so

(43:00):
I'm not going to do that either.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
You just after the show, you're going to have to
tell me about this because I know what you're talking
about who you're talking about, but I don't know anything
about who you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
It's, yeah, the best EVP I ever have recorded in
the fifty years that I've been doing. This came from
that location and it is unbelievably I mean, it's the
best EVP. I'm not going to say it's the best
VP I've ever heard, but I'm going to say it's

(43:34):
in the top ten. And I'm not patting myself on
the back. And I give it that credit not only
because of how clear it is, but because of how
long it was and how it continued, and it was
actually a conversation, and she was responding to me, and
there were no women from Britain in the room with me.

(43:58):
So it's amazing. But and if you ever want to
hear it, let me know and we'll play it on
the air. But you got to send it a request.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Yes, obviously follows radio dot com, website, post.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Website, yep, website, plug.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
So this is interesting. I guess I never thought that
there is a meeting behind it. But the meaning behind
black and orange as Halloween colors. So, according to the
Library of Congress, black and orange are the colors of
Halloween because the ancient Celts believed black symbolized the death

(44:40):
of summer, in orange symbolized the fall harvest.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
I don't, well, that's interesting because I don't correlate black
with summer and summer everything's growing.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Well, it's the death of summer. Dave.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I understand that I heard you the first time,
but I don't understand how that like, how that works.
I will say this. They like to throw like the
Black Plague and like a lot of things throughout history
that have taken a ton of human lives. Obviously, they
associate death with black. I mean when we see spirits,

(45:18):
a lot of times they're black. Shadow people are black.
The hat Man shows up as kind of this really
dark black figure, all kinds of stuff like that, you know, crossroads,
demons show up as really dark black figures.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Are we into a topic, No, we can.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
After I throw this out there, celebrities who were born
on Halloween, Dan rather than Peter Jackson, Rob Schneider, you
can't do it. Yeah, William Smith, Larry Mullin Jr. And
Dermott mulroney, and I'm sure there's many many more that

(46:03):
just happens to be who somebody else found those names
and put him on the internet for me to read.
Did you see the thing with Jason Vorhees actually found
at the bottom of the lake. So the guy actually
carved from Friday the thirteenth Jason Vorhees and like wrapped
him like you would have dead like actually wrap them

(46:23):
like you would a dead body, right like in bubble
wrap and tarps, ropes and everything like that. And he
threw it into a spring in one of the mining
pits when they flood, you know sometimes like when they
dig too deep, they had an aquifer and then like
the mining stops and they back all the equipment out
because they had a natural water table. Well, anyway, then
it creates these really beautiful gin clear like swimming holes.

(46:47):
And we've got him here. Actually there's up north a
lot of the mining that was done for taconite and stuff.
When they get too deep, they had the water, and
then they stock him with trout because the water so clear.
But anyway, the guy there was a guy who threw
the serial killer in there. Uh, And they and somebody

(47:10):
who was diving found it and scared the shit out
of himself thought thought it was an actual body. Like
like they actually went out and located it and like
had the emergency crews come out, And well, how how's this.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
For, uh for for a coincidence? So I'm looking at
and looking at this uh list from the Today Show
that's like forty eight unknown facts about Halloween or whatever,
and literally on the screen says, Jason fourhees lives at
the bottom of a lake. There you go, Jason four.
He's a psychopath serial killer from front of the thirteenth
movie is immortalized at the bottom of a Minnesota lake.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
According to a YouTube video, a diver chained a stack
the pic digious serial killer hockey mask and all to
the bottom of a mine pit in the city of Crosby,
where it remains today.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
That's funny. That is funny.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
So this is me. This is me. Some Americans pretend
not to be home on Halloween. Absolutely, one hundred percent
do it. All the lights are off. Fourteen Oh no,
I said, some Americans pretend not.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
To be I saw it. I saw it was fourteen percent.
Where they pretend like they're not home, they shut all
the lights off, they cease to exist when the kids
are looking for a treat and they just hide and
stare out the window. And that totally is you.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Actually, this one is twenty one percent.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Oh christ, So that's because you're in it now, you're in.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
The that's a that's a twenty twenty one poll.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Oh that's funny.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
But yeah, that is absolutely me. I come home from work,
I shut up all the lights.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
I take junk food or dinner or whatever down.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
To the theater house stairs to the theater room, and.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
I watch hocus Pocus, and I don't come out until
ten o'clock when all the kids are gone and I
go to bed.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Oh my god, that is so none Halloween of you.
But but that's okay, that's all right. Everybody has their
own kind of thing. M So it was Oh, I
wanted to mention this US destinations that have spooky names.

(49:20):
So Scarville City, Iowa, slaughter Beach, Delaware. I like that.
Like I could move to slaughter Beach, Delaware. So I
don't want to live in Delaware, but other than that,
I could live there. Tombstone, Arizona, great town, a lot
of history, There are a lot of spirit activity there,
actually too bad acts. Michigan been there. Killed Devil Hills,

(49:42):
North Carolina have not been there. But when I go
to North Carolina, I'm going there because I think, isn't
that the one that has the circle pit?

Speaker 6 (49:49):
I have no idea the clearing where nothing grows and
then you and it's it's called the Devil's garden anyway
that gets in kill Devil Hills, and I think that's
part of the triangle Sleepy Hollow, New York as we
all know, and that it had better be on that list.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Sleepy Hollow. You want to talk about TV shows that
were on the air that were great TV shows, Sleepy
Hollow certainly deserves a top thirty actually, because that was
a great show.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
The movie was put on the list. The show was not.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Well, the show was classic. The guy who was the
main character, he made that. Oh god.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yeah, so no, the Johnny Depp, Christina Richie, no mo
was Okay, Sleepy Hollow made number thirteen.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
And no, no, you got to give the you got
to give the series higher than that anyway. And then
the reason I mentioned it is because Munster, Indiana is there,
and that I grew up in. Yeah, that's name after cheese,
not Halloween. I'll give you that the monsters, but it

(51:04):
was I grew up in the town right next door
to that. I.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Uh, we'll have to look at this once Christmas comes
to see if Santa Claus, Indiana is on there.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
Oh, well, better be, because I knew it took a Uh.
That town celebrates Halloween, that town celebrates Christmas three sixty
four to seven, as it should. Yeah, that's the most
popular post office in the United States.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
What so, Yeah, that's where everybody sends her Santa letters.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Yeah, that's where all the Santa letters go. Yeah, yep.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
So here's a question for you, Dave. Yeah, pumpkins fruit
or vegetable.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Uh, I'm gonna say vegetable.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
I think it's seems to this squash family it's classified
as a fruit.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Kind of like a tomato is a fruit. It blows
people away. Still, I have that conversation occasionally, not like
I don't focus on it, but if it happens to
come up in conversation, I'll mention that and people will
look at me like it's a vegetable day. It's not.
It's a fruit. Look it up.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Yeah, it's considered. So while Halloween's beloved orange gorgs might
look like vegetables, they start as flowers and have seeds,
which classifies them as a fruit. Oh and puts your
phone on silent.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
David, Sorry, you heard that too. Yes, yes, I moved
it away. Sorry, that's the weird thing. There's no all
four of my levels are downe oh.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Wow, it's still vibrated.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Well that's horrible. That is horrible. Okay, So most popular costumes,
and then we're going to transition here because we're we're
getting close. Well, we got seven minutes stuff, we'll go,
We'll go at the hour. So, according to Google, these
were the top Halloween costumes in twenty twenty three. Yeah, Barbie, Barbie,

(53:19):
Barbie Princess, isn't Barbie and Princess the same thing? Spider
Man very cool, which I would have said, which was
going to be number one? That would have been my guess, Fairy.
So we got Barbie, Princess, and Faery in the top five.
I think you could throw all of those into one
and spider Man two, Witch three. Just saying Wednesday Adams,

(53:44):
I will say, if you saw that the series, that
was really well done. It was and the girl who
played Wednesday Adams did a great job, Jenny. I really enjoyed. Yeah,
I really enjoyed watching that Dinosaur. Now that's cool. But
that beat out Cowboys, yeah, I guess. And Ninja and

(54:08):
rounding out the top n right, one, two, three, four,
five is funny.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Well, you set that up to like this big suspenser.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Like Where's Vampire, Where's Frankenstein, Where's the Mummy creature from
the Black Lagoon? No, No, where's the classics? Sasquatch like
a sasquatch, not like a top ten Halloween costume?

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Because they would probably be on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
If somebody probably shoot you, knowing how screwed up our
society is.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Although honestly, if you were Sasquatch, you could roll in
the streets.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
For perfect time to come out and get some treats,
wouldn't it.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Yeah, I mean some jack links or the alien Turkey. Absolutely,
I mean, especially if you're like one of the Grays.
I mean you have the statue of a kid. Anyways, right,
an alien's not on here? Isn't that weird? Like alien
it's not on here? I mean again, Wednesday Adams really

(55:22):
liked the show, thought it was really well done. Uh,
I'm just not feeling like top ten costume. Gee, tell
me if this bunny, how the hell does bunny get there?
Who the hell is dressing up like a bunny on Halloween?
Where's like the Purge? Like the Purge, the masks from

(55:42):
the Purge, those neon masks? Where's that at? Well, it's
interesting that you should mention that, Dave, because I'm seriously
like the Purge, like that should be something people should
be disturbed about because that could happen in our real lives.
I mean, the only scary thing about a bunny that's
ever been recorded in history is money Pithe when he
throws the Holy hand grenade at the bunny, that's the

(56:06):
only thing that a bunny has ever been scary.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Holl on, Dave, I want to go back to your part.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Okay, let's pull it back. We're pulling their back.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
Because you said, you know, that's something that could actually
happen in real life. Sure, and it already has. So
tell me if this sounds familiar.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Halloween was once known as Black Halloween. Before costumes and
trick or treating, Halloween was a night for pranking. The
pranks eventually got out of control, and in nineteen thirty three,
vandals coused millions of dollars of damage across the US,
leading many people to refer to it as Black Halloween.

(56:47):
Tell me that doesn't sound like the Perge.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
That does kind of sound like the Perge.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
What year was that three? Nineteen thirty three? Wow, just
either getting into or getting out of the old the
Great Depression.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Mm hmm. It's interesting. I mean I didn't create that
much damage. But Halloween for us growing up where I
grew up, once we were old enough to uh that
we weren't trick or treating anymore like getting candy. We
we were all causing mischief. So I was part of

(57:24):
that rebel group. But uh, as I look at it,
which is just classic. Michael Myer's mask was inspired by
Captain Kirk. Yeah, I knew this.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Well, we talked about that. Everybody knows that.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Okay, I didn't know that. All right, Well, then I
won't mention it.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
Really you didn't know that? No, Yeah, the original original
Mike Myers mask is an inside out Captain Kirk mask.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Yeah, I just I just was looking at that and
I'm like what, yeah, mhm okay. So for and for
those who have a lot of additional spending income, US
pet owners spent around seven hundred on pet costumes last year.

(58:16):
Here was the top ten list. Pumpkin hot dog. That's
kind of funny. Bat No bumblebee spider. I've seen some
good dog spider costumes, so I'm going to give that
one some props, because I've seen a few devil you

(58:36):
know whatever. I think that's I think like the red
horns on the head thing and then like the devil's
pitchfork tail thing. That doesn't count, but anyway, cat, I
love that rounding out the number seven spot cat or
eight spots sorry, and then Lion and then Ghost. So

(58:58):
Ghost actually makes the top ten list for dog costumes
but doesn't make the top ten list for human costumes.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Nope, but Bunny does.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
But Bunny did, You're gonna wake up screaming about the batman.
I'm going to wake up screaming about Bunny. That's exactly
what's gonna happen. I'm gonna have a nightmare about children
dressed up as bunnies knocking on my door.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Ah. They my friend Carla. This was way back when
I lived above the funeral home she I had. I
had so much furniture, and I still have so much furniture.
I just have a bigger house. So it looks spread

(59:51):
out right exactly. It's kind of fits. But it was
a one bedroom, yeah, you know, living room, kitchen, bathroom,
I mean it was that. That was it. And I
had a lot of furniture. So I had a full
sized couch in my bedroom because it was big enough.
And so my friend Carla came home from college one

(01:00:13):
weekend to hang out with me and what not, and
so she stayed the night and she stayed on the
couch in my in my room, and she said, in
the middle of the night for no reason, she said,
I just lifted up in bed like sat up and
it was like black night. What the actually set up?
And then I just laid down and went back to sleep.

(01:00:35):
So I can do it. It has happened, huh, And
so this time, this time it'll be the batman. What
were you thinking?

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
And then I'll just go back to bed and just
go right back to bed, and I'm gonna wake up,
sit up in bed, look around, see some spiders crawling
up the wall, and be like Bunny, all right, I'm
tired of that's what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Well, then you're going to be in arriving pain because
you set up and oh if.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
I up and bed like that, I will be in
writing pain. There's no doubt about that. All right, Okay,
all right, So what have we got here? All right?
I got two more quick ones to get in and
then we're going to transition. So once upon a time
in Halloween it was all about kids, but kids aren't
the only one who likes to participate in Halloween. Dull
costumes sales were up and we're expected to top two

(01:01:32):
billion dollars in twenty twenty three the top five list,
which thank you very much, Vampire, thank you very much, Barbie, Batman,
and Cat. Although I will say I will say this,

(01:01:57):
if you're a dude and you're dressed up like a cat,
shame on you. If you're a female and you're dressed
up like a cat and you're like a sexy cat,
congratulations of cats. That's all I'm saying. Okay, uh and
then uh Top Candies original Eminem hold on, hold on,

(01:02:19):
all right. No, I didn't want to. I didn't want
to linger on that because I didn't want to. This
is a family friendly.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Show, so I was just gonna say there there, there's
no such thing as a sexy cats.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
You need to look online.

Speaker 3 (01:02:33):
It's sexy kitty.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Okay, I'll give you that kitten kitten.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
There you go, continue with candy. Okay. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Last year the most popular candy drum roll please Eminem's
Eminemms's peanut butter cups. Good choice, kit cats, good choice
peanut Eminem's one of my faves. Butter fingers above snickers
to love there. There must be a lot of people.
It's anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
I bet, I bet it's a price thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
I was going to say, like Snickers are like eight
bucks a bag, and you can give butterfingers for like
two forty nine right next to it, and they're like, oh,
let's give away. But everybody loves butter fingers, Snickers, Twigs,
good Choice, Milky Ways, Hershey's Milk Chocolate Bar, the Originals
always a classic. You can never go wrong with that
because you can smear your own peanut butter on there.

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Classic and res pieces. And with that, we are segueing
into demonic activity at the crossroads. And I'm going to
open it and I'm going to open it with a
really profound statement. Do you know why I think activity
at crossroads carries the potential for demonic activity or a

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demonic meeting place?

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
Do I know why you think?

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Yeah, my personal thoughts. Do you know why I think
that activity at a crossroads would be a spot where
a demon would meet somebody who was potentially willing to
trade their soul for fame, success, good looks, money, you

(01:04:22):
know whatever, whatever they're willing to give that. You know, well,
they're always going to give their soul. So let's just
start with that crossroads. Demons, they're always looking to take
a soul. But what you get in return. It varies
on the individual obviously, because you know, some people might
be rich as hell but ugly as hell, and their

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their wish is I want to be more attractive so
I can attract you know, the opposite sex and you know,
have a really successful life type of thing. But you
know what, do you know what my personal take on
it is, in a word, Dave No, Okay. So if
you think about crossroads, right, it's like the sign of

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the cross. I think that somehow they've inverted the cross
so that it's an upside down cross and those locations
are where these deals are made, which is why it
doesn't happen at every single crossroads.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
It's a theory, it's my theory, okay, but that's what
I think is happening. I think that I think that
the locations where these things are happening, they seem to
be prevalent in the southern parts of the US. Yes,
So I'm gonna I am gonna start out with that
because that is a fact, Like like if you read,

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if you do your research on crossroad demons and stuff
like that, and and stories that have happened, and those
locals a majority of them not all of them, but
a majority of them are in the southern United States.
I think that that has something to do with it.
And I think that somehow the geographical location, whether it

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be lay lines, or whether it be railroad tracks close
by or a water source close by or something like that,
that would generate the energy that would cause that to
be a special location to begin with. If you looked
at it from the air, the way it would lay out,

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I think it would be an upside down cross. And
that's I did not do research on that. I'm just
throwing it out there.

Speaker 3 (01:06:44):
This has not been individually confirmed by either.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
It has not been confirmed. It's it's food for thought.
So if you're listening to the show and you are wondering,
I wonder if there's some credence to that. No, look
it up. Start doing some research of where individuals like
Robert Johnson signed his life.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Away, and then if you find anything, you'll have to
let Dave.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Know, Yeah exactly, Then get back a hold of me.

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
Yeah, because he won't know unless you do the research.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
Well. I gotta throw tasks out every once in a while.
I'm working too many hours now man. Between now and
the New Year's I've got no free time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
That's right. So this this is the only podcast, the
only radio show out there that gives us listeners homework.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
Right, which is cool. There's nothing wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Yeah, yeah, no, that absolutely makes us cool. Yeah, we're
gonna get Christmas cards and everything because I give me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
I like king size stickers bars. By the way, maybe
we'll send me. Don't send me those miniatures. I mean,
I'll still appreciate it, but king size stickers bars don't
be stingy on it. Sneakers people or some Twizzlers. I
don't know how twizzlers don't make the top ten list,
but Twizzlers are wonderful.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Nobody will give out Twizzlers are what people buy for
like their office candied bowl. I like Twizzlers, I do too,
but nobody hands them out to children on Halloween.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
They handed out pixie sticks. Used to be popular when
I was a kid.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
Yeah, back in the nineteen forties, sure, sure, pixie sticks
were amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
Yeah, back in nineteen oh six, those pixie sticks were
loading up the bottom of the bag. That's where we
got our eleven thousand calories from all sugar.

Speaker 3 (01:08:44):
And it's what they are. They're all sugar.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
They're all sit with a little bit of sour powder
in it. Yeah, but they're still delicious.

Speaker 3 (01:08:51):
I don't care, I know, And that children is how
you get David.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
I yeah, exactly. Yeah. So but Peen and Eminem's you
can win me over with Peanu Eminem's I loves Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
They are good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
So uh.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Obviously what started the whole Crossroads Demon thing was a
true story which was used in Supernatural and then added
in the show. Added to from the show, I should
say it is the story of the blues musician Robert Johnson.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
And he claimed because he was known to really not
be that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Good, he sucked. Yeah, And it wasn't that he wasn't good,
he sucked people that knew him. He couldn't play guitar
for shit, like literally he tried, and the people that
grew up with him and knew him, he could not
play guitar at all, nor could he sing. So just

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throwing that out there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
And then all of a sudden, he's right. And then
and then all of a sudden, out of the blue.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
He shows left. He left town for a period of time,
and then when he came back, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yeah, and he all of a sudden he had the
ability to to play the guitar and and sing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
And sing and ten dollars guitar. One of the greatest
blues musicians ever. I have his CD of his early
uncut recordings, Amazing Blues Guitar Player if you like the blues,

(01:10:52):
Amazing blues guitar Player. And the guy couldn't strum a
guitar when he left his town and when he came
back shortly after. I'm trying to look up how long
it was. I knew it at one point in my life,
but I don't know anyway, Absolutely incredible and became for

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what everybody says, the father of blues. I mean, if
you're a blues fan, he's one of the fathers of blues.
Do you explain that?

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
And well, I mean, and he claims he was quite like, Oh,
he was open about it, forthcoming that he sold his soul.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
He sold his soul to the devil at the Crossroads. Yeah,
he actually wrote the song he wrote about it became
one of the greatest songs ever written.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
I guess I've never heard that, but I don't know
if I've ever heard.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
It, you haven't heard it, Well, you know, I don't know,
do you like, I don't see you as a blues fan.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
I don't. I don't mind blues to say.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
I grew up in Scott so Chicago blues is like
it was hand in hand some of the greatest blues
guitarists and blues musicians that like out of the South.
Another location for them was Chicago, and so we used
to have like blues Fest every year. So he used

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to go to blues Fest every year up in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
I like blues Traveler.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
There you go. That counts. They were kind of bluesy,
kind of like, uh yeah, that okay, sweet, but yeah
it was. It was interesting, right, I mean, the guy
couldn't play, He couldn't even strum a guitar, and then
he goes and makes a deal with the devil at

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the crossroads or a. It wasn't the devil, I'm sure,
although I don't know that to be a fact. I
don't know that to be a fact, So I'm not
going to say it wasn't. Lucifer himself could have been.
Maybe he was out in those early years. Maybe he
was out, had been looking for a contract. I don't know.

(01:13:08):
I'm not gonna say he wasn't, but uh, you know,
he could have been but definitely made a contract and
sold his soul to some sort of dark entity where
they would be that where he didn't care about his
what was going to happen to him as long as
he could have some success now like instant gratification.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Well not only that, but it's to be so good
at something you leave a legacy, like you remember your name. Yeah,
I mean you just told me a second ago that
he's considered one of the fathers of blues.

Speaker 1 (01:13:49):
He is, He's one of the fathers of blues, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (01:13:52):
I mean, so why not. I mean, you don't want
to just be good.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
You want to be the best, the best, right, and
if you're going to and if you're going to give
away your soul to go to hell for the rest
of eternity, you better get something out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:14):
Here's here's the deal that I would make.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
I wouldn't make one. I'm just throwing that out there. Well, right,
I would not make it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
This is the joke anyways, Dave, So settle down, my
god man, all right, I'm just saying, is that usually
you know the price that you pay as.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
You get ten years I have heard that. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Yeah, that's also a supernatural thing. So who knows that
that was something made up for the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Show or it was you know, real or based on
facts right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Take take taken on folklore. So what I would do
is I would be like, I want to be the
best NFL quarterback ever, and I want to win at
least twelve Super Bowls. That way, I have to live
past ten years in order to win twelve super Bowls.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Although, knowing how crafty Satan is, there would be a
couple of years where they decided to have two super
Bowls as an introduction, as like something special for NFL fans,
and you would happen to win two super Bowls at
one year, which would make you an incredible icon.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
I would throw the game.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Yeah, you wouldn't be able to. He would throw the
ball away and be a miraculous catch every time. And
then they would and then the guy would break his
leg trying to make the tackle or twist an ankle
or trip on a piece of grass and he'd fall
face first, and the guy would run down the field
and score. I couldn't do anything wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
I would McNab pass the shit out of it. That's
what I would do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
I would you'd be sitting records, buddy, you'd be five
six hundred yards a game. No incompletions. You would turn around,
throw the ball behind you. One of your receivers would
be there. It would maybe twelve yard catch a score.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Yeah, the football would hit the goal posts, start banging
around while I waited for the receiver to get down there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
It fell into his lap and he just took off
running straight up the middle of the field, and everybody
tripped and couldn't make the tackle, and he would just
run the whole entire way.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Well, you know what would happen though, because at the
twelfth victory I would throw the pass.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
Yeah, you would catch it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
For a touchdown, ensuring the victory. And then right as
that I threw the ball, I would get hit so
hard by a linebacker I would die right there in
the field.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
There you go, That's what would happen. Break had me
break on your neck, the goat, you would be the goat.
Tom Brady be taking second place big time.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
FUTB.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
So although although you'd be dead, eternally flayed or fill
aid depending on who you got down in hell every.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Day, so.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Well, you know, yeah, that wouldn't be that wouldn't be
a lot of fun. So just saying.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Yeah, it was a joke anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Dave, I know, I totally understand.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
But you have to try to throw in the loophole,
right so until I win, see either that or I
could go win eleven super Bowls at they retire.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Yeah, it's a I just don't think that the King
of Hell doesn't have a step up on us when
it comes to loopholes. I think he's the master of
loopholes probably probably, And I think I think that no
matter how smart we think we are, I think that

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ultimately we would be the ones who would be on
the receiving end of the short stick on that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Probably. So one of the things that caught my attention
when we were doing the Thresholds show.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Yeah, and we talked about it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Because Crossroads was in there as a threshold, as a
liminal space neither neither here nor there, and it was
the like the Haitian voodoo religion and the voodoo belief
system of Papa Legba, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Which is the guy like we were talking about just
a show or two ago that was in Constantine. Yeah, right,
So Papa Legba was the guy, the black guy who
owned the bar.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
But they always called him Midnight.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
Yeah, but that was Papa Ligma. They called him Papa,
called John Wick, called him Papa multiple You just.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
Called him John Wick. You mean I mean Keanu Reeves.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Yeah, yeah, but I don't care. It's John Wick. So
John john Wick.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
Damn it's not John Constantine exactly. That's the show that
we need, the show that we need. We need John
Wick as.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
What a classic movie that would be? Oh look at that?
I completely faded out perfectly. Yeah, so I said, oh,
my back is bugging me. Sorry, I'm leaning back, stretching.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
So I figured that was the case.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
But that would be a classic movie, wouldn't it. John
Wick as Constantine. Speaking of which, Constantine two, they keep
the rumor mills out there that they're making the movie.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
I think they keep putting out like I think it's
got to be fake trailers or something like that. They're like,
here's a teaser trailer and blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
But I watched one of the trailers that I was
highly disappointed. The original movie is so good. It is
so good, which is why be on a Halloween movie
top ten list.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
I agree, but it's not it's not on the thirty.

Speaker 7 (01:20:30):
Anyway, No, anyways, getting back to Papa Legba. Yes, Papa
Legba is often depicted as an old man with a
cane or crutches, symbolizing his role as a guide.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Now why does that symbolize a guide? It doesn't an
old man with a cane or crutches.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
I don't know that would make me a guide.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
I mean unless unless they're going the whole Gandalf the
great thing with his staff and everything.

Speaker 1 (01:21:00):
But that's what I was thinking, like Moses, So he's
like the Moses of Voodoo religion.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Anyway, Followers frequently invoke Papa Lakeba at the beginning of
ceremonies to facilitate communication with other loa loa.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
I don't know what that means. I think others I
would just say it's other spirits. He's like the overseer,
like Papa Ligma is like the overseer of that of
that Voodoo religion. So if you're trying to do something
in the Voodoo religion, you have to pay respect to

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Papa Ligba and then he will let you enter and
other spirits that are within that religious belief system kind
of come and converse with you, interact with you. Type
of thing. He's like the gatekeeper, for lack of a
better term, that's what his role is.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
Well, Papa leg Butt needs to come on to dues
with some chips, because offerings to leg Ba can include alcohol, tobacco,
and candy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
So he's just the alcohol will pass the tobacco.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Yeah, I don't do anything. He said Candy, he can
take the tobacco. You take the alcoholicy That's what I said.

Speaker 1 (01:22:20):
That's what I said. You get the candy, I get
the help the tobacco. Anyway, Yeah, so neither do you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
Neither do I. So that's all. That's all leg Ba.
But he is he's kind of the overseer of like
the gates and the doors and the stuff to the
to the other side. And so I was telling you
to the people who are listening, not you. I'm sorry,
I knew you knew that. But yeah, he serves as

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an intermediary between man in spirit. So I mean there's
nothing really here though about anybody like doing like deals
with him or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
So I mean, he's not a he's not a You
got to remember, Lucifer is part of Christianity or Catholicism,
whereas Legba is Haitian. Papa Legba is right. Is Haitian
and Voodoo two totally different things. So could pop Oligba
be a demonic entity and I throw that in air

(01:23:39):
quotes for the Voodoo religion. Could he be Satan in
the Voodoo religion? Possibly, But I don't think that every time.
And I don't know this for a fact. So if
you're an expert on voodoo, I don't mean to like
be throwing stuff out there. I don't and I am
throwing it out there that I don't know fort But

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I think that Papa Legba doesn't always require some huge
sacrifice like Satan would to get something in return. I
think it's more of a thing of respect, whereas Satan
constantly is harvesting things look like, looking to throw things
back in God's face, And I don't think Papa Ligba

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is that same type of entity.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
So I'm going to read this probably these two paragraphs,
because it goes on the whole Robert Johnson thing that
we were just talking about with a different take. So
Legba is strongly associated with Crossroads magic in his reference
to a number of early twentieth century blues tunes from

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the area of the Mississippi Delta. Famed bluesman Robert Johnson
is said to have met a spirit at the crossroads
and offered him his soul in exchange for musical success.
Although so eventually the story was twisted to say Johnson
met the Devil. Musical folklors believe that tale is rooted

(01:25:08):
in racist ideology. Instead, Johnson met Legba at the crossroads,
where he had gone seeking guidance and wisdom. Papa Legba
is a master communicator who is said to speak the
languages of all human beings. He then translates petitions and
delivers them to the loa. He is a teacher and warrior,

(01:25:32):
but also a trickster deity. Legba is a remover of
obstacles and can be consulted to help find new positive
opportunities thanks to his ability to open doors and new roads.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
So that goes kind of hand in hand. Was what
I was saying in my overview, is that he's not
a demonic entity that requires a huge sacrifice for every
single thing that he provides you. Right now, I don't
I don't know where in the hell the uh racist

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thing comes in there. I totally don't get it. Why
they threw that in there. But I don't. I think
that unless you were there would be very difficult to
exactly say what what what what happened with Robert Johnson?

(01:26:31):
You know, but something happened, you don't taken it. That'd
be like somebody walking. That'd be like somebody who couldn't
play Mary had a little lamb on a piano. Right,
this and this is equivalent. This isn't an exaggeration. You
couldn't play Mary had a little lamb on a piano.
You disappear for thirty days, nobody knows where you are,
They assume you're dead. You show back up, and all

(01:26:55):
of a sudden, Yeah, all of a sudden, you're You're
filling Madison Square Garden with flawless classical music. It just
doesn't happen that way. It just doesn't happen. You know,
some people are born phenomenal. I'm not saying there isn't.

(01:27:17):
I'm not saying that there aren't kids that are four
years old that can play Mozart. Sure there are, there's
five year old kids that can play a violin for
some of the most classic, beautiful pieces of music ever.
But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking
about a guy who grew up, was a man, sucked
at what he was trying to do, left for a month,

(01:27:41):
shows back up and becomes the father of the Blues.
That's a big difference. Now, could he have met Legba, Sure,
but that would be a huge offering. I just don't
see how Papa Legma would take his life at age
twenty seven US He specifically said he wanted to go.

(01:28:03):
I mean, you got to remember, this is the nineteen twenties,
and he was black and in the South, and maybe
he just didn't want to live a long life. Maybe
his goal was, hey, I want to be super famous,
I want to be remembered forever. And he got what
he wanted, and maybe that was good enough for him.

(01:28:26):
Maybe that was his deal. You know, you got to
put every time we talk about stuff like this, I'm
always kind of fascinated by what was in nineteen twenty
What would have been the goal of somebody who was
willing to give their life to the devil or to
an entity like that, a deity in exchange for something.

(01:28:48):
What would the goal have been? And then one hundred
years later we try to rationalize whether that goal would
be accept people or not. And that's really not for
us to rationalize what we would want today. Oh my god,
we're a materialistic society. We would want all the money

(01:29:11):
you could possibly have, all the great looks, great body,
physically attractive, But this that the whole nine yards famous,
some sort of great athlete or great movie actor, or
great philanthropist or whatever. You would want to be somebody
who was remembered forever. Moving forward. But back in a

(01:29:33):
hundred years ago when Robert Johnson made his deal, maybe
that wasn't the case. Maybe he just said, hey, man,
I just want to be able to play the blues.
It's in my soul. I feel it. I just can't
get it out. I need to be able to get
it out and share it with people. And maybe that's

(01:29:54):
all that. Maybe that's all he wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Well, and the thing about this is, and this is
why I I say, you know people people that we
call what's the word I'm looking for when they're just
naturally gifted at something not not is a product product

(01:30:16):
product CaAl a prodigy. Yes, there are certain people who
are just prodigies at certain things. You know, Let's look
at you know, the movie Goodwill Hunting. I mean he
was just a prology when it came to the math,
like it was.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
Something music exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
So I mean I think that inside of us there
are certain talents that are just locked away.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
Yeah, we all have la talents exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:30:51):
And so you know, as I read this thing about
you know, him being a papua leg being uh you know, teacher,
a warrior's a trickster, Bubba blah Lakeba is a remover
of obstacles. So maybe one of the things he's able
to do is take those latent you know, the abilities, abilities,

(01:31:13):
and he's able to remove that block and the natural
talent just comes out. Maybe that's what happened with Robert Johnson.
Maybe he was supposed to be a blues person. It
was in his blood, it was in his soul, it
was his latent ability and he knew it. And he's like,
I just want to play the blues. That's what I'm
destined to do, right, And like it was like he

(01:31:36):
just removed he opened that door and he said, Okay,
I'm going to give you. I'm going to bring out
all of the abilities that you have to play the guitar.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
And how frustrating would it be if you were Robert Johnson,
and you knew that was your destiny and your heart
of hearts, you knew that was your destiny, but you
couldn't get there, right, no matter how hard you tried,
you just failed miserably. People laughed at him, People literally
laughed at him and made jokes about him, about Robert Johnson.

(01:32:08):
So you know, like, so I can see where that
would lead him to go do something like that. And
I'm not judging him. He got what he wanted. That's
what he wanted. And if you get what you want,
if you're if you're okay with if you're okay with
the deal, I'm not It's not my job to tell

(01:32:31):
you that it was a bad deal. You got what
you wanted, right, I'm not judging, we're not judging. The
show doesn't judge you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
I mean, I judge a lot of people, but.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
You do judge a lot of people, right, don't judge
Robert Johnson. So right, But I mean, maybe he got
what he wanted, and I agree with you. Maybe it
was something latent that was in him that you know,
he just couldn't get out and he needed help getting
it out. Now, it just doesn't make that much sense

(01:33:04):
to me that Papa Legbo would take his life at
age twenty seven in exchange for him being in exchange
for him opening up that door. But maybe that's maybe
that was okay, and maybe that's what Robert Johnson wasn't
worried about that, you know, maybe that's he was okay
with that. Maybe he didn't want to live to be

(01:33:24):
eighty years old.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
You know, well, maybe we could be looking at this
a little bit different. You know, maybe the uh him
dying young was his loophole then it couldn't you know,
maybe it was like, Okay, I'm gonna come and take
your soul. You know, you live for another twenty years

(01:33:46):
or whatever it is, you get all this fame.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Well then he he was.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
Like, okay, I got what I wanted, But now I
have to live all these rest of these years before
he comes. Why don't I just end it now? And
then he didn't give me the rest of his deal.
We therefore the contract is void.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
Yeah, I don't think he. I don't think Robert Johnson.
I'll bid the Papa or the devil. H Yeah, who's judge?
You don't know. I'm not judging. I'm just giving a
personal opinion. I don't think he out smart I don't
think he was somebody who was going to out smart that.

(01:34:25):
I will say there was a side note. If you're
not aware of this fact, look up the words savant.
If you've never seen this, yeah, yeah, And I'm telling
you what your life will be changed when you see
some of these individuals that our savants like. I watched

(01:34:49):
a documentary that was an hour long and it was
one of the best hours I've ever spent my life.
The guy was blind. He was in his thirties. He
was blind, had been since birth, and he could play
any song on the piano that you could name, even

(01:35:12):
if he'd never heard it before. And they tested it
by going to this little pub in Ireland where there
was a house song like a song that had been
there for one hundred years, but it was only for
that little tiny Irish community and this pub. And they

(01:35:34):
walked him in there and he sat down and they
talked to him, and the lady came up and said,
this is the song, and this has been our song,
and she gave the whole background story on it, and
the guy said, does it go something like this? Lays
the song out and the lady just standing there balling.

(01:35:58):
Absolutely amazing, amazing, So look up savant. If you don't
know what the term means, I can't spell it for you.
It's like se v A and T would be my guests,
but absolutely amazing. How gifted some individuals are. They give

(01:36:19):
something at birth that they lack, like sight, but then
they're given this gift like this guy was for the piano.
It's incredible, incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:36:32):
But I guess I can say this for certain because
I haven't looked at at the word or the examples
of it, but I think a lot of people who
are considered savants are a lot in music.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
I would agree with that as far as I know,
or art, like I would agree with music in the arts, yeah,
I would agree. I'm not an expert on savants either.
I just know that I've watched some documentaries and that
I've read some incredible stories about people that are considered
to be savants, and and you're right, it's usually in

(01:37:06):
like arts and music, M And I wonder.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
If that's because that's where like a lot of a
lot of energy and a lot of emotion sits. I mean,
because you can you can play a song, whether it's
you know, it could be guns n' roses, you know,
November rain, and you're gonna spark some sort of memory

(01:37:33):
and emotion right in people.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
But you know, because I can do long division, is
only going to spark one emotion, and that's you know, boredom,
right right. So I mean, I wonder if it's the
Universe's way of connecting us in another in another fashion.

Speaker 1 (01:37:59):
Keep us apart, keep us relevant. I guess, maybe not
keep us relevant, but just part of the system. I
don't know, maybe it maybe it's an exchange thing, you know,
like maybe hey, there was some there was an issue
with your genetics when you were kind of being incubated
in your mom's womb, right, there was an issue the

(01:38:22):
g you know, the DNA didn't kind of fall into
place like it was supposed to. And so I'm sorry
that that happened. But in exchange for you not being
able to see, I'm going to give you the ability
to play whatever song you want on the piano. I

(01:38:42):
don't know, I don't know that I would want them,
but I think it's phenomenal that people like that exist.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
This This lula is driving me nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
Say, you know, when you and I got to be
honest when you said that, I've never heard of that,
so and and and it's lower case and sol.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
And I finally looked it up and in the dictionary
it says a god in the Voodoo religion of Haiti. So,
but why isn't it capitalized.

Speaker 1 (01:39:23):
It's interesting, I'm looking it up right now. Oh, I'll
be damned. It's pronounce.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
It's w l w A also called l o a.
So apparently they're like synonyms.

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
LOI.

Speaker 3 (01:39:41):
Okay, we got a date La la lah our spirits
in the African diasporic. I don't know how to pronounce
that religion of hate patient voodoo and Dominicans.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
There's a golf clap for you on that one. You
actually did not butcher that word. I'm so proud of
you right now, Sporak. Yeah, well, thank you, babe. I'm evolving,
my friend. Yeah, like gus uh la wah. Okay, yeah,

(01:40:18):
apparently their spirits in the Asian religion. Okay, and you
know we need to do another show on voodoo.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
Okay. Well, I see West at the stop at the
bus stop every once in a while.

Speaker 1 (01:40:40):
No, No, I think we just need yeah, we need
to do more of a voodoo one on one show.
That was when we did our Voodoo show with Wes.
It was like Voodoo four to twenty one show. You know,
it was like a college show, advanced college degree, where

(01:41:03):
you already knew all the basic information. And this was
you know, throwing names out there and like so and
so does this, so and so does that. That was
way deeper than what we needed for an introductory into Voodoo.
But I think that in no disrespect to us, but
I think that like something like this and talking about

(01:41:25):
pap Oligba and possibly somebody who would know the story
of Robert Johnson and maybe have a little bit deeper
insight into it, because I'm fascinated by this story. I mean,
are we on the right path? You know? Was you know?
Or is there something else to it? Is there something
that somebody had researched deep enough that isn't on you know,

(01:41:50):
the web in the first ten pages of a search,
you know, is there something deeper in there, some truth
that somebody dug out on off you know, somebody who's
a descendant of Robert Johnson type of thing, or somebody
who's friends with his great great grandson or great great
granddaughter or whatever. The case might be, you know, and

(01:42:13):
then get like a different insight into it because I
think that this story. I've been fascinated by this story forever.
I mean I bought his music when I lived in Chicago,
you know, back in the eighties. I've been listening to
Robert Johnson since probably nineteen eighty one or eighty two,

(01:42:33):
which doesn't seem that long ago to me, but that
was a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
Well, it's like the entire duration of my life. So yeah,
it's kind of right.

Speaker 1 (01:42:44):
And it's funny. The older you get, you're like, oh, yeah,
I was in school in nineteen eighty I graduated in
eighty four, and and you know, it doesn't seem that
long ago, but yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (01:42:54):
Was quite And then the person you're talking to he
was like, yeah, I wasn't born yet.

Speaker 1 (01:42:58):
No, right, yeah, no, I I yeah. It freaks me
out when people are like, well, I was born in
two thousand and two.

Speaker 5 (01:43:07):
What what the hell are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
You could have been born in two thousand and two.
There were no burst in two thousand and two.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
Yeah, there're no births in two thousand and two.

Speaker 1 (01:43:19):
It just it's weird. You'll understand it when you get older. Yeah,
talk to anybody, Talk to anybody who's in there who's
sixty or above. And when they think back on like
their high school and years like that and things that
they did, it doesn't seem that long ago, even though

(01:43:39):
it was a long time ago.

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
No ise not long ago for me, and it was
a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
Yeah, So.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
I guess I could have just continued reading this article. So,
I mean it said in the Haitian religion of voodoo,
like but is seen as the intermediary between mortal men
and the low the Lawaha, the laaw the law are
a group of spirits responsible for various aspects of daily life.

(01:44:09):
And they're and they are the children of a supreme
creator bandai uh. They are divided into families such as
the Hiti and the something like that. Are you sure
because it's just oh g o U.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
Do you have me to pull up the verbal dictionary
and see what it says?

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
Sure? Why not? And and practitioners develop relationships with them
through offerings, petitions, and prayers. Often Papa is the one
who carries these prayers to the Laaw. So I wonder
if the Lawa could be considered what Scena calls like

(01:44:59):
the galaxy see council.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
That's what I'm thinking. Maybe so o gunn. This is
how I would say it is not an ordinary man.
This O Faray was a blacksmith, warrior, lover and one
of the most popular and beloved IWA of Haitian voodoo. Yeah,

(01:45:22):
the power of the he is the power of the
general strategy and tactics, diplomacy, justice and victory. O g
oh u yep. Oh oh wow.

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
It's like.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
Yeah, it's uh, well, there's a couple of different ones.
So I mean it's you got O goo foray f
e r A y and then you've got O goo
bad agree b A e A g r I and
the two different entities, but they're both from voodoo religion.

(01:46:06):
Just a deity, I would say, right, yeah, it was
similar a deity, you know. And being Christian, uh tends
for me to as my faith not to believe in deities.

(01:46:27):
But I wonder if some of these deities that were
given names by mankind are nothing more than angels that
showed up and made some sort of miraculous impact on
the people that were there at that time, whether it

(01:46:50):
be a fallen angel or an angel that still walks
in the light of God either one, you know. I
wonder if if these entities, these deities that come from
different religions, like the Nordic community obviously, like the Vikings,
they had a whole slew of deities, you know, people
that they prayed to and people they believed in, and

(01:47:11):
and all kinds of religions have that pagan religions, right,
they all have their own deities. But I wonder if
these deities aren't just angels, you know, and just didn't
classify themselves as that. Maybe just showed up and they
were doing a little side gig. God was like, hey,

(01:47:34):
take a couple of weeks off, And they took a
couple of weeks off and went to Iceland, ran into
some humans and were like, oh, crrect, these these guys
aren't supposed to see me. And then like performed some
like disappearing act or some great act of like things
that a man couldn't do. And they were like, oh,

(01:47:57):
we got to start praying to this guy or this
scal what I mean. Case might be I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
Know, kind of like the time traveler that goes back
and with a lighter and it's like, look, I'm inventing
and I can do fire, you know, just from right,
flick at the risk I'm a god.

Speaker 1 (01:48:15):
Right, there's an interesting like, there's a show on Netflix
I'm going to watch. I have not watched it yet,
but there's a show on Netflix that I just saw
where a modern American family they're trying to solve this
issue with their family genealogy type of thing, and they

(01:48:37):
go back to medieval times. They get transported against their will,
and they have to survive in medieval times being a
family from twenty twenty four. And it looks I watched
the trailer. It looks very interesting, like just the interactions,

(01:48:58):
the doubt. I mean, think about that. So you go
back to medieval times as a somebody from twenty twenty four.
We talk about time travel and time slips and interdimensional
type of crossover moments and stuff like that. What you know,
what if you took a family from with our values
right now and you got thrown back into the thirteen

(01:49:22):
hundreds during the Inquisition, right Like, if those people back
then saw you, they would call you the devil, they
would call you a demon or or they would put
you up on a pedestal and call you a god

(01:49:45):
because you were totally different than they are. If you're
so far removed from what they understand that you would
be elevated or degraded, but one of the two. It
wouldn't be a common existence, right, There wouldn't be no
common existence. You're not going to go back to thirteen

(01:50:06):
seventy one and show up in a you know, a
pair of Gucci slippers and a Ralph Loran Polo shirt
with a rolex on and be like, Hey, what's going on?
My brother, and and the people in this mud hut
you know that have eaten like one potato this month,
are like, who the hell are you? And you're like,

(01:50:32):
I just I just showed up. Yeah, I live down
the way right. Like you would be either you'd either
be hung or you would be like they would take
you to the Center Square and people would be bowing
because they just wouldn't understand who you are and and
they're and for that time frame it would it would

(01:50:55):
be I think that's the way they would look at it.
And I think there's a possibility that we're doing that now.
Like it. I think like if you took some sort
of other human that's five hundred years advanced from us
right now and brought them back to Earth. We would

(01:51:16):
call them an alien, or we would call them a god,
or we would say that's the devil.

Speaker 3 (01:51:23):
No, I think we just shoot them.

Speaker 1 (01:51:25):
Well that too, But what I'm saying there is maybe
that's what's happening. That goes hand in hand with what
we've heard over and over and over and over again
about how things exist now, then and in the future.
So what if we are the aliens? Right? What if

(01:51:53):
five hundred year advanced humankind is coming back to say, hey,
don't do this. This is what caused sky Neet? And
I know I reference it all the time, but God,
I feel like that is not that far fetched with
what we're doing with Sai now and trying to clone

(01:52:15):
human brains and grow human brains. I don't know if
you saw that or not, but there was a thing
not that long ago. It was just a couple of days,
about three days ago, that I saw an article where
they're growing brain tissue and they are interlacing it with SAI.

(01:52:38):
And I mean, if that's not the startist sky Neet,
I don't know what is. I mean. Elon Musk said
it best, right, there's only one thing in the world
you need to be afraid of. And that's artificial intelligence,
and that's a man who knows what he's talking about,

(01:53:00):
because these put shit into outer space.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
I don't know if I would trust Elon Munks to
know what he's talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
I can't not trust him.

Speaker 3 (01:53:11):
But either way, isn't that what Kathy was talking about
last week with the.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
Whole Yeah, I think she was on that path.

Speaker 3 (01:53:21):
Yeah, the alien bean or whatever that came to her
and was like, these are the two things that right
set this all in motion or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Yeah, when she was walking back and she was in
Sedona walking through the canyons like where they have the vortexes, yes,
you know, and she got visited by the entity that
she couldn't see, but that was there with her. So
I think, you know, it would be the same thing
as us going back five hundred years ago, four hundred
years whatever the time that the amount of time is irrelevant.

(01:53:54):
You know, we travel back, we would be seen as
something to be afraid of or something to be worshiped.
And maybe that's been happening forever, you know, I mean
go back and look at you know, the time of

(01:54:15):
Moses and you know, maybe like when they were maybe
when everybody was idolizing false gods back then, and the
burning bush and the whole story of Moses. Maybe that
was somebody from the future who gave them the idea that, hey,

(01:54:36):
you should be worshiping this golden calf for some reason.
And the people who were in charge at the time,
were the people who were powerful at the time, said no,
that's not the way it should be, and then you
had this great conflict. So I don't know, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
We we've really taken a detail.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
I like it though. I'm okay with me because we've
we've done it. We we did Halloween Justice. I think
it's now it's time to leave ourselves with Yeah, I
think it's time to leave ourselves with this kind of
this looming question of you know, is that what's.

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
Happening as time travel exists?

Speaker 1 (01:55:22):
Well, I mean that is that what's happening right are
we is our future selves coming back and warning us
about stuff now? And are we seeing that as aliens?
Is that what we understand as aliens? You know? Is
that what we're classifying as the term UAPs, which is

(01:55:43):
just please stop with that ship. It's a UFO. There's
no reason to change the terminology good God. But anyway,
I digress, I digress. Yeah exactly. That's two guys and
some chips right there, because we're deep diving on that shit.
But but yeah, I don't know, you know, I mean,

(01:56:07):
it's it kind of goes a little bit with Halloween.
Not really, not really, but we got there. I'm sitting
here with my pumpkin sinister looking pumpkins, and and you've
got your calm looking pumpkins with a few bats, and
and Halloween's right around the corner. So for everybody who's listening,

(01:56:29):
and we're not done yet, but I'm just saying, you know,
be safe, hand out candy. It's a great tradition. Kids
love it. They get a night to dress up and
be somebody that they're not, whether that be a ghost
or a Barbie or a bunny bunny, you know, and

(01:56:51):
and they get to go out and enjoy themselves with
their friends and run around and have fun and bring
home some treats that they normally don't get.

Speaker 3 (01:56:58):
So none of which came from my house, because my
home is coming.

Speaker 1 (01:57:03):
From Michael's house, and don't don't go to Michael's house.
But you know, have fun, be safe. It's supposed to
be halfway decent this year here in Minnesota, which is
great because I can't tell you how many years we
spent time on costumes and then it was like twenty
one degrees on Halloween and everybody wore coats and boots
and long jobs, and then there was like you couldn't

(01:57:26):
even see the costume.

Speaker 3 (01:57:28):
So Thursday is supposed to be a I think it's
a typical ball day high of forty five at something
here low of twenty seven. So you are going to
have to put the You're going to have the coat
over the over the costume.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
Yeah. Yeah, but you can have the coat open though,
because you're running, and you're running from house to house,
so you'll be working up a sweat. And just remember, parents,
don't take all the good candy by yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:58:01):
Yeah, you can have all the liquor online.

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
Right now, front of their Halloween candy by yourself, your
own bag of candy. Leave your kids candy alone.

Speaker 3 (01:58:15):
I have to say, like one of the I think
it's a radio commercial for KitKat and the kids talking
about going trick or treating or whatever, and he was
giving a kick cat and he's like, yeah, and I
get a kick cat for free and the father's like, son,
your eight all your candies for free? Yeah, like yeah,
that's pretty much it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:58:36):
So parents, you spend the money, kids you get everything
for free.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
Absolutely, that's the way it's supposed to.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
Be, which is why every time I see a pack
of kids playing in the yard or whatever and just like,
enjoy kids. It's all gonna end soon. Boy.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
On that note, we should end the show. And that
positive note that po Yeah, I wasn't gonna use the
word positive there, but I'll give you that one just
because it's our Halloween show. So positivity from Michael we
were out.

Speaker 3 (01:59:10):
Yes, So honestly, everybody have a good and safe Halloween.
If if you want.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
To drive slow, two neighborhoods please, whether.

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
Whether you're handing out candy, whether you're taking your kids
out trigger treating, whether you're going to a Halloween party,
or whether you're gonna stay in and watch hocus Pocus
like me in the dark. So nobody, so nobody comes
to your house. I can't even hear the doorbell without
all the thing's going to be. Uh, just don't but

(01:59:44):
but have a safe and great Halloween.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:59:49):
I will be back next week. Dave will not be
I will not be back next week because apparently over
the next like two months, he's got a lot of
plans on Sundays. Is not going to be here for.

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
I do actually, so it's coming, it's coming to that
time of year. I did make this statement in my
own defense. I did make the statement that there's going
to be some Sundays that I'm not going to be available.
And uh, I've got some Sundays coming up here between
now and the end of the year when I'm not
going to be available.

Speaker 3 (02:00:21):
But anyway, spirit Yeah, yeah, that's good. So uh again,
check out a new website, Honestly files Radio dot com.
Let us know what you think. If you have a
paranormal story or question that you want to ask Dave
and I, you can submit it directly from the website

(02:00:42):
and we look forward to hearing from you.

Speaker 1 (02:00:44):
But if you want, if you want to hear the
EVP I was talking about that, I got it my
favorite location, sending a request and we'll air it, yes, sir,
but we're not airing it without a request, that's correct.

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
Yeah, So until next time I will be here, Dave
will not, so we'll either have seenor Sam or somebody
else but yeah, until then, stay healthy, stay safe. We
want to see you back here. Everyone, have a great night.