Episode 320 - Rules & Mentalities of Investigation, Take 2

After being stood up by their potential guests, Dave and Mike decide to rehash the Odyssey Paranormal Society rules and mentalities of paranormal investigation! 

But first, be request, Dave and Mike play what Dave considers his greatest EVP! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Why God, good evening, paranormal community, and thank you for

(01:24):
partaking here.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
With us on our night of uh improv. It would
seem I'm your host, Michael, and you with me for
the first time in weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
My co host mister David Sorry, good any, Dave, good evening, Mike,
good evening, everybody. I uh squeaky chair tonight. Wow, Uh
I'm back. I mean what can I say?

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yes, I missed everybody with a couple of busy a
couple of weeks, but back I got a couple more
dates that I won't see everybody through the end of
the year, but then those are just like the holiday
dates my birthday. But glad to be here. Got a
really spontaneous show for you guys.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Like we're talking like ten seconds ago, We're.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Talking like eighteen seconds worth of prep between the two
of us. So let me it'll be good though. I
promise we're going to talk about a couple of good topics.
So the conversation is always good when we have a
good topic, no matter what. So yes, so.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
To talk about why we say we had eighteen seconds
of prep? It appears that Dave and I are being
stood up by both of our guests, which leads me
to believe it's coordinated effort.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
I'm blaming it on the loss today. They're probably crying
in their Kansas City Chief jurors these they're probably just distraught,
sitting on the couch, don't know what to do with
themselves after Buffalo laid the smack down on them.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I don't think that's the case, but okay.

Speaker 4 (03:10):
I'll celebrate that win anyway. So that was just a
great segu way to celebrate the Buffalo today.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
I want to celebrate it too, but I also want.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Our guests here. Well true, yeah, right, So.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Sent Brett and Ryan a message on Wednesday, sent them
all the information about the show this afternoon, and have
not heard from either of them.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
So and obviously now that the.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Show is here and they are not so out my.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Hair by the way, in case people are wondering, I
didn't lose a bet, just got tired of not being
able to go in and get my hair cut, like
it just never fit my schedule. So I was like, yeah,
nobody was wondering that, Dave, Oh yeah they are. Yeah,
my coworkers haven't seen it. And when they see my hair,
they're short. They're going to be like, what did he
lose a bet? That's why I'm saying it right now

(04:01):
up front. I did not lose a bet.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Oh, I see, because your your workmates are our audience.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah, right, exactly, They're part of the audience, all right.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
So hopefully at some point in the future we will
have we'll actually have Ryan and Brett on because I
really want to talk about Wabashaw Street Caves. I think
the history and especially the paranormal stories behind it are
amazing and should be should be heard.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
So. But so with the.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Eighteen seconds of prep, kind of have a you know,
snapfoo of different things that we're going to do. And
the first thing we're going to do is a couple
of weeks ago when Dave was was on the show,
he was talking about the greatest EVP ever. Well, he's ever,
he's ever.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
He's probably if you put it ahead ahead, I mean,
I've gotten a lot of phenomenal EVPs that are gin clear,
intelligent conversations. But just for the what it says, the
length of it, the fact that nobody else was in
the room with me, and it's a and I'm not
going to say anything else because I don't want to
ruin it. We'll talk about it after, but I think
it's it's probably my top EVP of all times that

(05:21):
I actually still have a recording of. Well, but I'll
I'll phrase it like that because I think that one
at the Werewolf House will now all the individuals named
their names, the nine people that were being trapped there.
That is a phenomenal EVP. But I don't have that anymore.
So Nope, neither do it. It was on your hard

(05:43):
drive that fell to the ground, and that was on
a computer of mine that got a virus and I
never I didn't think to yank the hard drive out,
and everything that was on there I lost.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
So I have a couple from that investigation that is not.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
One of them.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah, but I was gonna say, and technically you don't
have that e VP either.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
I do. Yeah, I have that my e v P.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
The ev P we are gonna we're gonna have.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
I'm gonna I have my e v P. You haven't too, though, Yeah, yes,
I do.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
So anyway, Dave said, well, we'll play it if we
get a request report and uh through the website Odyssey
files radio dot com, which I highly suggest everybody go to.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
If I don't know why you haven't been there yet.
I mean, I agree confused, so your decision making abilities
confuses me. But it's but anyway, I'll give you some break.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
But we uh we got a request uh through the
files radio dot com website, uh from the greatest supporter
of our show, mister Anthony, and and yeah, so I
have it, I guess primed up whatever you want to
call it.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
So Dave, yes, sir, since this is your EVP, why
why don't you set the stage? Sure, So many years
ago we went to a location in Iowa and never
been there before, didn't know anything about it. You know,

(07:33):
old schoolhouse out in the middle of nowhere, I mean
literally in the middle of nowhere. And I heard a
couple of stories right like there was some activity from
kids and stuff like that, and that there was this
individual there called the principal that like to hang out
in the principal's office. And uh, I thought, okay, but

(07:57):
you know, I mean it was me and you and
a bunch of other people, and I think that was
Wasn't it wasn't that Chad Klyx. Wasn't it the first
time we were there was Chad?

Speaker 2 (08:05):
It was a Chad Kalic event.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
Yeah, it was a Jack Kalic event. Yeah, so first
time we got introduced to it. So we went, and
I love the place. I loved I'm going to emphasize
that strongly throughout the night tonight. I loved the place.
I am about ninety eight percent sure that I'm never

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going back, but I did love the place, and I
was there a handful of times and had great experiences
every time. But we so that there was this entity
called the Principle, and we got some really good disembodied
voice EVPs stuff like that, and there was the whole

(08:46):
backstory was that something happened that was improper with a
child or with children, and I don't think it was
the Principle that was involved, but I think the Principal
knew about it and chose not to do anything about
it and just kind of let it lie. And anyway,

(09:07):
so I went into the auditorium back before they started
tearing walls down. It was an actual auditorium, small wooden stage.
It was just me. Nobody else was in the auditorium
at all. Nobody was anywhere remotely close. The only person
there was I shouldn't say nobody was there. The only
person that was there was the girl that you were

(09:29):
seeing for a little bit that had my camera that
was taking pictures, and she shot like a hundred photographs
just to see if anything would yeah, Jennifer, to see
if anything would materialize. So throughout the EVP you can
hear click, click, click, because she's just constantly popping photos
with my camera. But she's in a different room and
she's standing there, completely quiet in the doorway, just popping pictures.

(09:50):
So I got really emotional for some reason when this
whole thing started, and I started asking about, like, do
you know that it's do you know that when you
steal the innocence of a child, that you're committing the
ultimate sin? And that you know that that the children
that have been that that have things like this happened
to them, they lose their innocence and they they'd never

(10:12):
become the person they were supposed to be. And it
was the long version is pretty I haven't heard it
in a while, but the long version is pretty gut
wrenching and drawn out and emotional. And then this is
the response that I got to me pouring out my
heart and being pissed off about something happening to the kids.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
The way, So what is this is your darkness so
superficial that you can't do anything about it?

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Is that one? After kids.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
Innocent? I don't know any better, easy to sure? And
then what happens when you steal a kid's innocence? They're
destroyed forever.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
So there's actually four different EVPs in that one, same.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Voice, you know, same lady for sure, Yeah, same lady. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
And the the last three are what people really get
like a lot of right.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
The first one when you dug into it years ago,
because I knew it was there and I heard it,
and I'm like, I hear it, but I did not
hear what you heard. And then I went back and
listened to it. So you share that part of it,
because well, you made the effort and went back and
dug into it and then shared it with me, And
I was like, holy crap.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Really you stayed away from the ship, you know?

Speaker 4 (12:03):
I I it was so strong with the rest of it,
because that the EVP is longer than that, and it
was a much longer towards the beginning of that too.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
So no, I meant you stayed away from the word ship.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Yeah, I did stay away from the word ship.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, that's what I meant.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
I'm sorry. Yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
We skipped over that first part because to me, it was.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
So exciting to get the other well, yeah, universation.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
It was just one of those things where it's like,
we can't really make that out, but look at all
these other ones that we can't and that are perfectly.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
Cool, that are perfect.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
And I was actually at a interview for an investigator
and one of the things that I used to do
when I met face to face with them is I
would bring my laptop and I would bring a bunch
of really good EVPs and I would test how how
they're audio was, you know, could they could they hear it?

(13:04):
And so I'm interviewing Sean, who was my lead investigator
at the time, and I were interviewing I think I won't.
I think her name was Amanda, I want to say,
but I played this for her and because, like you,
I loved it. I mean, it was amazing and she

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started to catch some of those words that were in
that first little section, and from there, all of us
like we're just passing around the headphones and we're like okay, here, okay, yep,
no I hear that.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Yep. Okay, yep.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Oh oh my god, that's exactly what it says. How
did we miss that?

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Yep? And what we caught it sane was me and
my best friend we will live again.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, and then obviously the other ones and.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
You can do better than that. I'm not afraid of you,
you know. And And the interesting thing about that was
I I can go after something and be I can
provoke with the best of them. But I usually provoke
only like in a good versus evil religious versus evil
type of mentality. I don't provoke entities just to try

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to get a response, because that's I'm totally against that.
But if I come into a situation where some horrific
thing is rumored to have happened, or if I know
that there's darkness there because I can feel it, I
will use religious provocation still to this day, just to see,
you know, I'm not looking for a you know, you know,
to step in the ring with Mike Tyson for ten rounds,

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but I would use it to see what kind of
response I can get. And it kind of gauges for
me that if I get a response to religious provocation,
most people, most normal individuals live and pass and haven't
moved on yet. Are not going to get vehemently upset

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about talking about Jesus Christ or God or bringing out
a holy relic or the Bible or a blessed medallion
or whatever. They're not going to lose their mind about it.
You know, it doesn't make them angry. They might they
might not be their faith, but they're not going to
lose their their mind about it. So but whatever was
in that room didn't like the fact that I was

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talking about screwing with the kids and stealing their innocence,
and she wanted she wanted to go head to head,
I think in retrospect, and I wouldn't have anyway, because
it was the first time I was there then there
was no control of that situation. At that time. It
was just random people that had paid to go to
Chad Kalek's event. Didn't know any of them, you know

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what I mean. It just I would not have been
I would not have stirred the pot that hard at
that event anyway, irregardless of what would happen.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
But a great yeah, I'm gonna play it again here
in st.

Speaker 4 (16:07):
Up a little bit if you can, because it was
really quiet on my like when it came through to me.
It was super quiet. Really, I was gonna ask, Yeah,
I was gonna ask if you could turn it up
and play it again, and turn it up.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Well, I'm gonna play it again. It's at one hundred
percent now. So but so basically what you're listening for,
if you didn't already hear that is me and my
best friend.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
We will live again. Uh.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
I'm not afraid of you. You can do better than that.
And then if you're hiding in the corner, come out.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Mm hmm, here you go. The white light inside.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
Your darkness is superficial that you can't do anything about it.

Speaker 4 (16:54):
Is that what you want?

Speaker 6 (16:55):
After?

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Kids innocent?

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Hm? I don't know any about.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Easy than true.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
And you know what happens when you steal the kids innocence,
They're destroyed forever.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
So there we go.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
That was an hundred percent. I mean it's it's yeah,
I can hear much better.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
It's loud. It's loud in my ears. So I don't
know what else you want me to do, Dave, that
sounded funny first time. It was a little quiet, but yes,
so so yeah, so uh, Anthony, we hope that. Uh
did you do? Sorry?

Speaker 2 (17:47):
I'm bringing something up here.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
We hope that was worth the wait.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
No, you had to wait like two weeks for it.
Even messaged me.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
To remind me that to make sure you make sure
you hate this week. I've been waiting two weeks.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
That yeah, that he had sent it to the website,
and I'm like, I'm just waiting for day to come
back to his EVP.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
But yeah, we were gonna get it.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
So again for the people who are coming in to
see Brett and Ryan from the Wabishaft Street Case and
talk about the history.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
They stood us up, so we will hopefully have them
on another night.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
So what we are going sorry, oh oh, you just
saw that.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
I just yeah, I just glanced on.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
So what we're gonna talk about tonight? And I think
that we talked about this or did this probably off
as an improv show something we thought probably six seven
years ago, six and a half years ago, something like that.
So we're gonna try to reiterate it because obviously so

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much time has passed. You know, our show reach is
greater than plus seven years ago. It's very hard to
find that episode in the archives. It is in the
archives on Honestly Paranormal society dot com if we talked
about it at all, but over the years and training

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with Dave, you know, for the four years, first four
years of my of my career, which now stands at
like fourteen years something along those lines. Yeah, because this
coming March is the teams ten year anniversary where we
will be investigating the Bobshaw Street caves, this time for

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the entire night, not a humongously.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Overpriced three hours.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
But I remember that, yes, yes, indeed, well we won't
get into finances here. So what I determined over that
course of time, and what I've tried to maintain through
all of these years is rules in mentalities for being
a paranormal.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Investigator, and not everybody who's going to agree with them.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
I get it, people all teams have different mentalities. Obviously,
if you're a ghost hunter, you're not going to follow
these rules whatsoever, because you're just not interested in the
same thing that I am, such as safety, professionalism and
making sure you know you do things correctly in my opinion.

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So when I say correctly, I mean in my opinion.
And then I've also known this is what brought it
up is because it happened last night at an investigation
that I was at where one of these mentalities was
not intentionally kind of broken. Uh, She's I don't think

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she really understood what she was she was really doing.
But I was like, oh, I'm gonna have to have
that talk with her.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
But we'll talk about that here in a second. So anyway,
and for anybody who is listening and maybe has one
that they would like to add, I'm more than happy
two entertain more rules.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
And especially if it keeps if it keeps my team,
and I say, uh and and stuff like that. So
Dave and I are gonna gonna I'm gonna read them,
h and Dave and I will just take them one
at a time, you know, if we have anything that
we'd like to discuss her why that's as important and
that sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
And I haven't heard the forever, but I'm gonna yes that.
I'm gonna bet you that some of them are still
going to be rock solid core fundamentals, and some of them.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
You know, well, I mean you and you and I
over the years have diverged.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
We've diverged a little bit. Yeah, I mean we're just
we're running parallel a couple of feet apart at times. Yes,
we're still with an eye sight of each other. We're
just do things a little differently at times. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
There there are definitely times where Dave does stuff and
I'm like, and there are times that I do stuff
and days like you really don't need to do that. Yeah,
So you know, and we get that during our stories
and in our discussions anyway. You know, during the show
you always see that, right. So obviously rule number one,

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do not investigate alone about as rock solids you can
get just flat out do not investigate alone. And we've
mentioned this so many times over the course of the
years of doing the show. You know, obviously the main
one is just safety. Safety, Yeah, safety, you know that

(23:05):
that is just a safety for me.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
It's just a safety thing, right, It's it's just that
that's really what it is for me. It's a safety issue.
You know, God forbid, God forbid you have even just
some type of health issue, or you you're in the
dark and you slip and you fall and you you know,
you twist your ankle really bad and you can't make
it back up the stairs without some help, I mean whatever.

(23:27):
It could be just a simple thing, you know, and
then it can also be h you ran into something
you didn't expect to be there, and and you know,
it's always better to have two or three like minded
individuals to kind of help each other move away from,
you know, out of the house type of thing or
out of the space type of thing before it potentially gets.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Bad, right, I mean, and just kind of feeding off
that one. You really want to have those those other
people there, or at least one other person in case
you start getting affected by the thing that's happened at
numerous times. I mean, you used to call me your
safety blanket. You were me because you would go off

(24:12):
of this like, big, this is what I need to do.
I'm going in there. I'm gonna hear. I'm like, that's
the dumbest idea you've ever had, Dave, shut the f up.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
So it's there's so many different reasons why you should
just never investigate alone, and from four different aspects, it's
just safety right right for doing that.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
I'm a very emotional guy, being an impath. I mean,
I'm just a very emotional man, always have been so.
And having multiple daughters didn't help at all. It just
made me more emotional and more spreading my wings trying
to keep people safe. And then when I would go
get involved in cases that had you know, children or

(24:58):
daughters involved, I get very, very very protective to the
point where I will you know at times, and don't
do this. It's not okay just because I did it.
I'm admitting I did it. It's not okay to do it.
But you know, I threw myself out there unprotected and

(25:22):
went after a couple a couple of different investigations, went
after what was there. Yeah, is what it is. I
wasn't doing it to get evidence. I was doing it
to reclaim the space for the family that was there,
that was suffering, that was struggling to reclaim it for themselves.

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So I was trying to pump as much love and
white light out of my body and my beliefs as
I could into the space to flush it of any darkness.
And sometimes it works, and sometimes you get your ass kicked,
and then you get knocked down and you get back
up and you go back again because that's what you
got to do, because you know the people need help.

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You don't just walk away from shit like that. So
all right.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Number two, Never investigate your own home or locations that
you have deep ties.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
To wholeheartedly agree with that.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
The reason the reason for that because a lot of
people would be like, well, why, you know, why would
you just why would you not investigate your own home?
And and that's because you're the most vulnerable there, right,
If there's something evil there that is looking to ah,
I don't want to say embellished, but it was looking
to take advantage there, you go, take advantage of your

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emotional tie to this that can then be used against you.
And so, uh, you know, we all see the re
the reenactments, you know, the dramatizations for these shows, and
how many times did you know the husband gets so
upset because like his wife is being attacked or maybe

(27:10):
his kids are being infected, and he's like, do something
to me. If you're going to pick on anybody, pick
on and then all hell breaks loose because you just
invited something that right, So bringing in a paranormal team
who doesn't have those ties won't make those mistakes, right.
It's I understand, your home is your castle, you want

(27:32):
to protect it, you take it as your responsibility to
protect it.

Speaker 4 (27:36):
Well, that's how we're raised as men, right exactly, That's
what I say. We're the defenders of the family. So
you know, we're the defenders of We're the defenders of
people that can't defend themselves. That's our role.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
So and yeah, which is why I know it's it's
hard to admit that you need help or that you
or that you can't do it right. So that's the
reason for that rule, because so many things can go
wrong when you have those Now, if you're a seasoned

(28:11):
paranormal investigator and you know you've been doing as long
as Dave has, or you've been you know, doing it
for twenty years or whatever, and you've got hundreds of
cases under your belt, I would probably be more willing
to let you investigate your home because I think you
know enough not to make those mistakes.

Speaker 4 (28:30):
You can dip your toe in the pond, that's how
I would put it. But you are not allowed to
full blow and investigate your own property. I don't give
a shit of how much experience you have. And here's
the reason why. And for me, this is the biggest
this is the most important thing. If it's a normal,
normal human spirit, they're not going to do anything to you.

(28:54):
You can make them angry, they're going to get a
little pissy they might move your keys and put them
in the freezer. They might you know, you know, I
mean they might do right, you know, they might do
some shit just to just to try to get back
at you. Right open the door, leave it open, like
you come home from work and your front door is open, right,
you know, lights are on in the middle of night

(29:14):
when you get up. It's annoyance type of things. And
that's the way they fight back. So that, to me,
is not the reason not to do it. The reason
not to do it is because that the time three
percent whatever you want to say, you know, evil really exists.
It only takes a slip to open up that door.

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And once you open up that door, you're screwed and
you and then at that point you need to go
get some serious help, religious help, you know, mediumship help, parapsychologists, help,
paranormal investigation team, help document what's happening there, try to
get a name right, get evidence type of thing. And

(30:00):
it's really easy to do. I don't care how much
experience you have. It's really easy just to lose your
cool for sixty seconds, thirty seconds and do or say
something stupid that opens up a door. Because you know,
true evil. That's all they want, that's all they're doing.
They're just waiting for the opportunity. They get nothing but time.

(30:22):
Time is on their side, man. You know, for them
to come back night after night, it does who cares
for them? It's nothing. They're just looking for the crack.
So that's why I say, don't investigate your house, truthfully,
after all these years now that I've been involved, would
be because you just don't want to screw around with

(30:44):
something and accidentally open up some sort of park. Yep,
all right.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Number three, do not whisper, hum, sing, mumble, or do
voice impressions during an investigation. If you do, tag yourself
and that is honestly, I think that's the hardest thing
to train yourself not to.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Do the hard for people. It's hard for rookies. Yes,
yes it is. It's very hard for rookies because they'll
whisper all the time. Yes I know.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Uh if Jerry's listening, Uh, the director of Supernatural Investigators
of Minnesota, Uh, he knows that I will fight him
tooth and nail never to investigate with his ex wife
because she was she she humped and she didn't do it.

(31:43):
She didn't do it.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
On purpose.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
It was a subconscious thing, but she would just every
so often she would just start humming something unaccepting. Yeah, exactly.
And obviously the reason for that is your record is
gonna pick it up and you're gonna think it's an EVP. There.
How many times have you gotten mad at me because

(32:05):
you thought you had to like a class a EVP
and you're so excited and you played me like, that's me.

Speaker 4 (32:12):
Yeah, I was talking low. Apologies. That was back in
the day. I mean, we don't do that anymore, but yeah,
there were there were times back in the day when
I was like, oh my god, you got to hear this.
You're like, yeah, that's when I was headed out to
the car. I was trying to be quiet. I was
just letting you know, I needed to get a couple
of things out of the car.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah you know, yes, so, but.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
It right. Yeah, and that's a that's a no brainer.
And and this happens to all of us. Tag your
paranormal belly. Paranormal belly. Yeah, don't eat. Don't go on
an investigation where you're gonna have to sit in the
dark quiety for four to six or eight hours and
eat like you know, greasy cheeseburgers before you get in there,

(33:01):
or like spicy tacos, or just have a normal just
eat something normal where your body is not gonna like
be upset with you and you're not gonna have a digestion,
you know, because we laugh about that stuff. I mean
there have been there have been times when we listen
to stuff and we're like, did you hear that? It
sounded like my name's Jacob and I'm here from Ohio,

(33:26):
And I'm like, no, no, no, that was me. I
had a couple of hamburgers before we went out, and
that was my belly.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yeah, I U.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
But it's amazing how the how sometimes that stuff sounds
when you hear it on the recorder.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
My my favorite story of paranormal belly ever, and I
am not embellishing this whatsoever, but it honestly sounded like, uh,
Suzanne's belly at Edinburgh was answering my questions.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I mean like I would ask yes, you no question,
and honestly, three four seconds after I would ask it no,
and you just get this growled no yeah, and it
would be it would be her belly. And so yeah,
it happens to us all, you know, it takes a

(34:16):
while to get rid of it, especially if you want
to think, especially if you think out loud, and a
lot of a lot of people do I do?

Speaker 4 (34:24):
I always do? You should? You should? Hear me?

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Just say shit in my truck all the time, all
day long.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
I'm just talking out loud.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Don't need to but you know, yes, it's just like
hearing my own voice.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
So I don't know if this is gonna go up later,
but if it does, great, we'll just reiterate it. But
here's another really important thing that I notice that a
lot of rookies do that. Not season not people that
have been out a few times, but you know, people
going out there first three or four times, right, know,
the piece of equipment that you're using or that you

(35:01):
want to use before you get into the field and
you're sitting in pitch black and you have no idea
what buttons you need to push to make the equipment work.
That's just a pet peeve of mine that annoys the
shit out of me. Look what, Look what I bought.
I bought this great thing. Oh look at this, Look

(35:22):
at this. And then you go and you start investigating
and they're like, okay, now, let me see I think
brand new, I've never used it before. I think you
push this and then I think you have to hold
these two together. Nope, that's done it hold on and
I just want to take that you know item and

(35:42):
just chuck it into the wall and be like, I'm
that spirit. I don't know what happened overcame me, you
know what, being sorry for your four hundred dollars loss. Yeah,
you know what, Dave, use your equipment before you get
the field, please.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
You just gave me a new rule. No know your equipment.

Speaker 4 (36:01):
Yeah, no, your equipment, especially for you because you've got
case upon case upon case upon CASA stuff, and you've
got a lot of new, reasonably new people on your team.
So make them sit down in a non investigative type
of thing and use it all with the lights on

(36:24):
so they can see it that they know how it works.
See know how to record on the fleir. It's great
that you can push the power button on. But if
you get a moment where you're like catching something phenomenal
like the faery in Iowa, and you and that and
you didn't happen to be recording that at the moment,

(36:46):
think about how what a loss that would have been
for that moment, because that is Jesus. The first time
I saw that, when you called me into the office,
I was like, I jumped right through the goddamn roof, Yes,
almost that. I was so excited. I'm like, oh my god,
it's an amazing catch. It's a lady ducking down and

(37:06):
like pulling a cloak over her head. And then we
analyze it deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper,
and you know, different people see different things. I still
see what I see, but but it's irregardless of what
we see, the minor minute differences, it is clear as
day there is an entity looking at us and then

(37:27):
turning away and moving down in a space where there
is no place for her to be number one and
no stairs, and she would have had to have been
free floating in the sky, about seven and a half
eight feet tall. Pretty close. Yeah, yeah, in these clothes
racks that were just packed to the gills with old costumes.

(37:48):
You couldn't get I couldn't even get in there, No
neither of us could. None us good. Right, So that's
a phenomenal catch.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
So know your equipment, no, your equipment, it's important that's
rule number ten.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
So you go, but we're only on number four.

Speaker 5 (38:04):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Number four is very very very important and often a
lot of people, a lot of shows. Uh make this
mistake all the time. Never invite a spirit to do
anything to you.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Yeah, except Dave, because Dave will just be like, come
on home, mother.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
Ever, let's go. H this is use my energy.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
You use that.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Nope, that I almost guess I will allow it.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
But I get I have said that maybe once or twice,
maybe an investigation. In an investigation, No, I mean once
or twice every investigation. Well that I said once or twice,
didn't I was close.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Like seven hundred.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
But yes.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
So here's the reason why. Because once it's dangerous, it's reckless,
because what you're doing is you're opening yourself up to
an attachment.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
Right. I wouldn't say it's reckless. I say it's I
would say it's dangerous. To me, it's not reckless. I
know what I'm doing. Yeah, see that the ramifications that
I'm right, it's not reckless. If you know the ramifications.
I know what potentially could happen. I know what I'm
trying to accomplish by doing it, and I'm i am
willing to take the risk knowing that what could potentially

(39:37):
happen to me. That's not reckless.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
That is reckless.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
It's not reckless because I understand the consequences. It might
not be it might not be prudent for anybody to
do that, but I have been known in the past
to do that.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
So yes, so you know that's right not to now.
But so, I mean, obviously that includes what we were
just talking about. You can use my energy to do whatever,
touch my hand, you know, pull my hair, you know.
Any anytime that you invite them to to do something
specific to you, you are inviting an attachment.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
But you create a thread is basically what you're doing. Yeah,
you know, and those threads eventually have to be cut
by somebody. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
So again that's more of a safety issue. But I mean,
even though I get somewhat irritated when people, when people
who don't own my equipment offer up my equipment something,
use the energy in this rampot, I'm like, yours, shut up.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
Yeah, so I could take it back home, put it
in my garage, and then have the lights turning on
at three point thirty in the morning, thank you.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
So that has happened more than on more than one occasion.
So far, I haven't gone off the deep end yet,
but uh, sooner or later. Yeah, yeah, there's gonna be.
I'll have like some four thousand dollars piece of equipment
and they'll be like, here's the energy in this. Yeah,

(41:16):
And I'm like, when you spend that amount of money,
you can go ahead and offer it up to the
other world, you know, the other side. Until then, shut
your damn mouth and use your flashlight.

Speaker 4 (41:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Uh but yeah, so that's again a safety issue that
you don't want anybody to invite anything to do to you.
And uh, that's a big rookie mistake. One of the
new investigators on my team, we're actually come up twice tonight.

(41:53):
This is number one. But we were at a very
place that both Dave and I like to go, cemetery,
and she thought that she was going to be motherly
and whatnot, and so she invited the kids if they

(42:15):
wanted to hug that they could come over and hug her.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
Oh I've done that before. I'm sure you have it.
But for a rookie, probably not the best.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Move, right, And I was like, yeah, don't do that, y,
thank you.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
And I would have said the same thing, right for
a rookie, I would have said the same exact thing.
Probably not the time in your career to be offering
energy transfers and stuff like that when you don't know
exactly what you're doing or what you're dealing with, right, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
I mean, especially if you're in a place where you
don't know. I mean, obviously we do because we've been
there many, many times, but if you're in a place
you've never investigated before, you don't know if the spirits
there want to stay there or not. Right, And if
you start throwing out these invitations to come and give
you a hug, or you know, if you need something,
I'm here for you, you know that sort of thing, right,

(43:07):
they might be more maybe happier than a pig and
shit to follow you home.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Even if it's just a piggyback ride to get the
hell out of the doorway or the threshold that they
can't cross on their own, right, And then they get
over that threshold, and you know they're just going to
jump you for a couple of days. They're just going
to attach themselves for a couple of days. Once they
get free of what they were what. Once they get
free of what was holding them down, they're out. Let's hope,

(43:34):
I mean, right, especially a lot of the time in
a normal haunt type of situation, I think, I think personally,
that's what happens. It's just a couple of days. I
needed some help getting the hell out of this space.
It was my own personal health type of thing. I

(43:55):
couldn't get past that threshold. It was a self imposed threshold.
You gave me a hug, you grab my hand, whatever
the case might be. I was able to cross that
with you. I appreciate it. I'm gonna hang here for
a couple of days and kind of understand, get my boundaries,
kind of understand and get my balance and what the
hell's going on, and then I'm out of here and
thank you. And it's probably not that simple, but I

(44:19):
think at times it can.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Be, especially especially when you don't believe in child spirits.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
Well I do not believe in child spirits, correct, That's
what I said. Yeah, so, but yeah, anyway, Number five,
never run, I think that's yeah, that's just it's pretty
self explanatory. You're gonna run, You're gonna turn around and
run face first into a metal beam sticking on the wall,
or a tree branch or you know, a grave marker.

(44:51):
You know, nothing good is gonna come out of that,
and there's no reason to run. If you're that scared,
you shouldn't be there in the first place. Honestly, that's
my opinion. I mean, and I tell people that right
to their face, so they don't like hearing it. But
you know, I, if you feel they need to run
because you're that damn scared, you shouldn't be here.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
So, uh, she's not she's not an investigator, so I
really can't faulter for it. But just the the whole
if you're that scared, you shouldn't be here type of thing.
So I recently upgraded all of my like DVR cameras

(45:31):
to wireless. Yeah, and when you do that, you know,
it connects through an app to your phone.

Speaker 4 (45:37):
You can see all you know, the all the what
the camera see and whatnot. But these not only have
color night vision, which I love, but you can listen
and talk through them. Well that's so I don't know
about the whole talking through them thing, but.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
I don't really need that, right. I liked the audio
thing because obviously I've had years and years and years
of just literally watching paint dry and silence, except with
without the without the captions exactly. So last night during

(46:19):
our investigation, I was setting everything up and I put
a camera in a room where our base camp was,
and there was a whole bunch of people there, and
I was in another room setting up cameras and I'm like, oh,
knowing that they're jittery, as f brought up my phone,

(46:41):
tapped on that camera and then hit talk.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
And I was like.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Through it. And I was far enough away where my
phone was glitching and like freezing and stuff like that
with that camera. So when I got back to that room,
they asked me if that was me doing it, I'm like, yeah,
that was me, And I guess one of the ladies
that was there like jumped out of her chairs like
I'm out of here.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
That's just a dick move. But it's funny, it was.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
It really was.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
I own that number six and what was happening.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Yes, indeed, this one Dave and I disagree on, at
least in some levels, because he's already talked about it.
Do not provoke, So does anything really even more need
to be said?

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Need to be said?

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Obviously, it just brings on more stuff to you that
you really don't need, unless you're like Dave. You're like
I am prepared for everything. So uh yeah, we'll just
move on from that one.

Speaker 4 (48:08):
I have been I have been attacked. I can't. I can.
I've been attacked more times than people would A whole
teams would quit with the amount of times that I've
been attacked and the amount of times that I've had
attachments and stuff like that. You don't, It doesn't. It
doesn't scare me. It bothers me for a couple of
days because it takes my energy and it makes me

(48:30):
I think things that aren't me until they can get
rid of it. But like I said, it's religious provocation.
I don't provoke like for the thrill. I don't get
a thrill out of it. And I don't do it
for reviews. I don't do it for ratings because I
all of my stuff is private anyway. I don't share
it with anybody, you know, I mean, so yeah, yeah, uh,

(49:00):
all right.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
You would think that this next one would be pretty
much common sense, but surprisingly it isn't. Uh And it's
always speak up. And what I mean by that is
there are a lot of people like Dave who start
experiencing stuff and they're like, I'm okay, I can handle this,
there's nothing wrong here. I'll just you know, throw out

(49:23):
some more energy and I'll block myself and everybody think
will be okay. And and and what I mean by
I always speak up is you get when you do
these kind of investigations, you get emotionally, you get physically
I don't want to say assaulted, but you get influenced
you do.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
It's an assault. It's a good term. Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Well, I mean usually people go to the extreme, like
when you say I've been assaulted, like you got like
four scratches down your back and leaning all over the place.

Speaker 4 (49:52):
No, no, but I mean, but the mental attack is
every bit as real as the physical attacks. True.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
But but there are a lot of people who, especially when
they're new, where they don't want to They don't want
to a they don't want to seem like they're weak
or they're vulnerable because maybe if they say something, maybe
I'll be like, well you obviously can't have them. Yeah,
I'll judge them. It's not being able to hack it
and what we're doing, and you'll kick them off the team.

(50:23):
Other ones are worried about interrupting the session, you know,
for something like you know, I'm not feeling well, you know,
but he's he's on a role with his questions. I
don't want to interrupt. I don't want to be you
might get mad at me.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
Uh you know. No, always the dumbest thing you can do.
That's the dumbest that's the dumbest mentality or attitude to have.
And I'm going to tell you why in one simple term, Right,
You're only as strong as your weakest link on your team.
And so you could have five a team of five
that you love and four people and I don't give

(50:59):
a shit long you've been investigating. You can have four
people that are just rock solid, and then that one
person that's coming in and trying to be there with
the rest of the team, and they're just not quite there,
and they don't want to be like what you just said, right,
they don't want to be the weak link. They don't
want to interrupt, they don't want to do you know, so,

(51:20):
and then they don't say anything and they're the ones
that are going to get attacked. That fifth person is
going to be the one who's going to take the
brunt of it, because the other four know how to
protect themselves and ground themselves for the simple attacks, for
the simple energy vampire type moves that happen all the
time in investigations that they don't feel them. They don't,

(51:43):
they're not affected by it because they know how to
protect themselves from it. It's the fifth person that doesn't
and that is getting their ass kicked and doesn't say anything. Yeah. Yeah,
So if you're a rookie on a team and they
won't let you speak, call me you're not on the
right team. I'll you.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Well, I mean, there's a humongous difference in they don't
want you to speak, and I don't feel like it's
going to be I feel like it's going to be
rude to speak, Like there's a huge difference in that.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
Well, so here's the deal. Right before you go into
any investigation, everybody has to be on the same page.
So these are questions, in my opinion, these are questions
that should be talked about prior to ever ever arriving
at an investigation, especially if it's a client, a private
client investigation. Yep, that is not the time to be

(52:39):
having these petty differences within the team. If that should happened,
and it has happened when I've been the lead of
a team, We're done. See everybody else. We're not doing
it tonight. Apologize to the homeowner because it just ain't
gonna happen, because we're not going in there with this
shit chaotic team meant in a situation where they're having

(53:02):
some real world, serious issues that they can't control. And
I've been there already and done the pre investigation and
sat and talked with them multiple times before I ever
brought everybody over, and I know that it's happening because
I've witnessed some things. We need to go in there strong.
You need to be a united front. Can't go in there.
You can't go in their week.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
I agree, but you know, uh, the one thing that
I will I will reiterate with with Dave's you know
four and one type thing is when.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
You're on a team, it's not.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
The director and then everybody for themselves. If you are
there to protect each other, correct, You are there to
look out for each other, correct, you know, So if
you don't speak up, they don't know what is going
on with you, right, And so if you are being

(54:01):
affected in some fashion. It is the teams is responsibility
to get you out of there.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
Absolutely, and on a good team, they'll see it happening.
On a good team of close knit team that's on
the same page. I can tell you when energy ships
change in the room and if somebody's being affected, because
if they go from who I know they are, to
all of a sudden really outlandish and angry or really

(54:32):
quiet and meet and shy and hiding in the corner,
something's not right. Right. It's just an observation thing. You
got to use your observational skills in every investigation.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, And it doesn't even have to be that extreme there.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
I'm using extremes just so people who don't have the
amount of time that we have in understand what we're
talking about. Right, It could be a subtle thing. It
doesn't have to be a big thing. It is. And I.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Was just gonna say that there have been a lot
of times when I'll be asking questions or whatever and
I'll see somebody's stance change or they're kind of the
you know, just the way they move or the way
they're asking questions, and I'll stop and I'll be like you, Okay,
I'm like because you know, this is what I'm observing

(55:19):
from you, and they're like, nope, nope, I'm I'm good.
I was just doing this or or yeah, you know,
I kind of got a small pressure in my head,
or I'm starting to experience a headache.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Right, I got a real headache just came out of
nowhere exactly. And my chest, I don't, I know, like
I got this pressure all of a sudden right here
in my like in between my eyes or in my chest.
It feels like my lungs got real heavy all of
a sudden. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
I can't tell you how many times I've asked Cameron
that question, and you know, he's just it just got
really heavier in here, or it got heavier, you know
that that sort of thing. And that doesn't mean that
anything is going on with them, but they can sense
it reading and room exactly. So it's very important that
you always speak up of anything that's gone even after

(56:08):
an investigation. I've gotten man at Scott once or twice
because he'll tell me something like two weeks later of
something that happened, and I'll be like, why did you
say anything? Like, I'm just angry.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
We should have addressed that while we were there. Yeah, yeah, okay, so.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
This is very very important, and this YouTube and TikTok
and and just social media in general have thrown this
out the window. Ever a lot of for a lot
of things, no piece of evidence gets presented to a
client unless it has been reviewed by the other team members.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
And agreed upon and agree well, yes, and agreed upon.
I mean, I.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Can't tell you how many times all of us will
come in. Well, everyone will have their own piece of
the evidence. Everyone will have their list, and they'll be
like twenty five things that people think is something paranormal,
and all but like five will get agreed to. I mean,
so we've also had the mentality of we can tell

(57:19):
that it's paranormal, we don't know what it is, we
don't know what it's saying. Or four different people here,
three different things, and I'm like, well, then we're gonna
have to throw it out because we how is this
even going to help us with?

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Right? With there's something there. We can agree that there's
something there, we don't understand what it is, so but
put it in the something happened folder, but we can't
present it to the client. Yeah, it just does experience
We just can't take it to the client. It doesn't
help our case, right, you know, it's just it doesn't
do anything, so very very important.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
But of course obviously people have been posting, people post
orbs that you know, all seasoned investigators are like, that's dust,
you know that that sort of thing, and uh, it's yeah.
So it just needs to be agreed upon. It's just
a professional thing to make sure you're putting out the
best you know, evidence that that you can. This is

(58:27):
pretty easy. Any devices that carry a signal, including cell phones,
must be turned off or.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
On airplane mode. And we learned that the hard way,
didn't we, Dave, we did. Walkie talkies was the biggest culprit.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Well, that was walking, but I was mostly referring to
And this is obviously back fourteen years so, I mean,
I think shielding and technology has gotten so much better
since then. Yeah, but I mean you remember the days signal. Yeah,
I couldn't figure out what.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
All was happening. We're in the middle of nowhere. There's
not a car within there's not a running moving vehicle
within ten miles of us in any given direction. There's
you know, deer walking past us in the middle of
the night. I mean, we're in the middle of nowhere,
and uh, I'm like, oh, is that what is that

(59:28):
et Morris code? You know? Yeah, no, though you don't
understand what it is because you know, I mean, all
of a sudden, you're like, well, okay, it might not
be paranormal, but I don't have a logical answer as
to what it is. So we at least got to
take a look at it and then then figure out
what the hell is going on? You know.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Yeah, obviously come to find out it was we all
had our phones, you know, they're they were on silent,
but that that can't stop the signal. And so yeah,
as your PE updates or text message, your email or
Facebook notification comes in, all that signal and that's all
gonna affect your evidence.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
So I'm gonna I'm gonna throw this out there because
I found this really fascinating, right, So yep, on YouTube,
I saw this group of clips that had this kind
of funky stroby lightning caught on night vision cameras that
were just like just security cameras set up in people's houses,

(01:00:28):
you know, like the ring that it's not the ring doorbell,
but there's I think ring makes some things where you
can put a couple of cameras inside the house too,
you know. Yeah, And it was this funky flashing in
the middle of the night, and people were like, you know,
I'm not saying it's paranormal, but it's awful weird than
the guest bedroom. Nobody's in the guest bedroom. Why the

(01:00:51):
hell's are flashing coming out of there intermittently throughout the
night when everybody else is asleep. You know, I get it.
It was weird. So I did some dig in and
I spent a couple of week kind of digging into
this and looking and investigating it and stuff. And if
your cell phone receives updates throughout the night, it it'll flash,

(01:01:15):
but you don't see it with the naked eye, but
it gets caught on night vision cameras sometimes. I guess
Apple's notorious for that. So they had so that the
one that I saw where the guy posted a bunch
of times his his it was his daughter or daughter

(01:01:36):
or niece or whatever had left her phone, had spent
the weekend with him and had left their phone then
was coming was just gonna grab it the next weekend,
and all throughout the week he's getting like throughout the night,
and he's like, I don't understand what the hell's going on.
I go in there. I don't feel anything. There's nothing wrong,
there's nothing out of place. The light bulbs work just fine.

(01:01:57):
I don't understand what. But it was clearly evident, like
somebody was taking it, like the paparazzi were popping flash
bulbs in the room. And I'm like, I don't know
what the hell it is. If it's legitimate, it's really weird.
And I and some people debunked it, and they said
that when Apple updates their stuff overnight, it can generate
a a flash. That's only evident that the only time

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that it picks it up is on night vision and
yeah something. Look it up. I don't know, but look
it up. You can find it. There's a ton of
videos on it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Oh I'm not I'm not down in you even remotely.
It's just that's weird that that would be the I
agree that that would be the Yeah, that's why I
caught my eye.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
That's why I dug into it. For a couple of weeks.
I was like, Okay, this might be a show. I mean,
we might have something to talk about here, because you know,
it's not just this one guy, but this guy seems
pretty legitimate, and he's posting a whole bunch of like
weird stuff and he's not saying it's a ghost. He
just doesn't understand what the hell it is. And I
don't either, So I'm gonna try it. I'm going to

(01:02:58):
try and figure it out and help him. So I
was he texted, you know, messaging and back and forth
and yeah, and somebody else chimed in that that their
phone does it too, and their Apple phone does it too.
I don't know if it's a particular Apple phone, maybe
that's it. I don't know, maybe not all phones do it.
But whatever it was, it was causing it to happen.
So I found it to be very interesting. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
And then to round off the rules, which you've already
talked about, rule new rule number ten.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Know your equipment. Yeah, definitely know your equipment. Definitely know
your equipment. I agree. So so I gotta I gotta
throw this out there. So for people that love et
and people that love UFO stuff. Right, George Knapp has
a new four part show on Netflix watching it. Yeah,

(01:03:51):
so he's got it's you know, I respect the hell
out of George Knapp. Uh. He was the first guy
that was documenting the stuff that was happening on Skinwalker
Ranch long before, long before the investigative teams came in there.
I mean he was. He was there with the Shermans
witnessing weird shit happening on the ranch that he could
not explain. And he's an investigative journalist and he works

(01:04:15):
for a He's worked for the same channel on newspaper
out of Las Vegas forever. So anyway, he's got a
four part show and there are two I mean, it's good.
It's good because it covers a lot of really good stuff.
And he's and he's got he's on a path, like
he's got a reason why he put this show out there.
But there are two pieces of evidence that are on

(01:04:37):
that show that I find absolutely amazing. One of them
is the UAP that submerses and I'm not ruining it
for you, you just got to watch it and then take
a look at it. And then the other one is
the jellyfish thing that flew over the Middle dates military
base that had a black op site hidden in the

(01:05:00):
middle of it and was over the base for over
an hour and the security guys were watching it on
infrared heat signature only. That's the only way you could
detect it. I mean, there's people, there's there's soldiers on
patrols walking and there's things just like goes right over
the top of their heads. Nobody's responding, nobody's reacting. They

(01:05:22):
watched it go down into the lake. It was down
underwater for seventeen minutes, came right back up, hovered for
a little bit, and see ya was out of there.
Now we didn't see that aspect of it because that
was confiscated by armed guards immediately after it happened. So
it went to the CIA archives. Yep, it's called it's

(01:05:45):
called Investigation Alien. It's it's really there's some stuff in there.
I'm telling you what. I tried to find that clip
to share it with you, like just on YouTube and stuff,
and it's not out there. Yeah, you can't find it anywhere.
So that's interesting. It's been scrubbed, which I find that
to be very interesting that it's scrubbed off Google. But yeah,

(01:06:11):
so if you get a chance to watch it, watch it,
because I don't know how long it's going to be
a I don't know if you ever see it again.
I mean, you can't find it on Google Search, so
you can't find it on YouTube. So you know, watch
the thing with George, watch the documentary with George, and
at least look at it yourself and try and figure
out what it is, because it's very it's very unique,
it's very cool looking. I don't think it's another country.

(01:06:37):
I just I just don't see another country developing a
floating jellyfish that you can only see on heat signature
and then flying it around remotely over a black opsite
in the Middle East.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
But what also, we want to talk about mentalities?

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
Yeah, we did, are done? That was rule oh mentality?
Sorry all right, I was segueing taking a break mentally.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Yeah, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
I really like, I really liked that series. So did
you start watching the one about the one that we're
going to do a show on the lady who got
abducted out of New York. No, so we're down the road,
like next year we're going to do the we'll do
a show on this absolutely amazing. Twenty three witnesses. Twenty

(01:07:30):
three witnesses saw this lady hovering outside of her twenty
seventh story apartment in Manhattan and then she's gone. People
are like, oh, are they making a movie? Are they
doing special effects here in the middle of the night.
People are recording it on their cell phones and stuff.
I don't know. I don't know. It's good. It's a

(01:07:53):
little caddy. I don't know why they threw that aspect
in there, because there's this lady who doesn't believe her,
who doesn't like her, and she's the whole thing. And
then there's a lady that had happened to and she's
just trying to be like, hey, it happened. People saw
me floating outside the window. What the hell I'm not lying,
you know, I mean, if it didn't happen, if you

(01:08:16):
didn't see, If I'm lying, what the hell was I
doing floating outside of my window unconscious? Twenty something stories up, Kathy,
So you'll like that, ass I think you'll like that.
It's a little candy at times, but it's a good show.
I didn't I haven't finished it yet. I think it's
a three or four part series two.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
So at least, yeah, okay, were ready to move on?

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
Yes, yes, all right, needed a little break there to
frushing up the brain, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Ah, So so these are mentalities, which obviously are like
thought processes when you go into into the paranormal. So
number one, which Dave and I will very much agree with,
dem are rare. Forget what you see on TV, and

(01:09:07):
this is this is you say one percent.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
I'll say one percent. I'll go up to five. I
don't think I've ever said ever in my life higher
than five percent of all cases would be considered to
be evil. It used to be a solid one one
to three percent for me. But there's a lot of
unrest in the world right now, and I just don't

(01:09:34):
like things are shifting. Things are shifting. I can feel it.
I feel it at work. I feel that it just
being out just living life. So I don't know. I
know a lot of religious leaders will tell you right
now that that things are shifting and not in a
good way. And I'm not basing my feelings on with

(01:09:57):
their word whatsoever. I'm basing it on what I feel.
So I might be three to five percent now instead
of one to three percent. Gotcha, specifically it goes back
to one to three percent. Yeah, I agree. So, I
mean so many people and Dave and I have discussed
this on the show so many times that everybody thinks
everything is a demand, so much so that I actually

(01:10:20):
created this shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
It's not a demon, it's not a demon.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
It's a great shirt. So if anny anybody wants to
buy one, If anybody wants one, you can you can
contact me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Yep, well they're not on the website yet. You can
contact me through the website files radio dot com. Uh,
and we can we can get you, we can get
you squared away. But but yeah, obviously, sex cells, evil cells,
scary cells, you know, And and that's why you see

(01:10:54):
that all on TV. If they tried to come out
with a show where or you know, what everybody was
doing is like an opening door in footsteps down the hallway,
you're gonna last about three episodes. You're gonna get canceled.
Somebody's gonna watch it. Yeah, you know, people people want
to be scared without being in danger, correct, and so

(01:11:19):
all so watching these re dramatizations of what amount of
people who are in danger is like a big, a
big thing for them. And that's sad on us. But
that's the that's the way the world works.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
Obviously. That's why people can't look away when there's some
horrific accident on a highway, gawker traffic all all slow
down to five miles an hour and look at the
decapitated body laying in the road.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
You know, I didn't want to see that, but I
can't stop looking.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
You can't stop myself. Yeah, I don't. I don't want
to see it. So somebody lost their life, exactly right,
Moving on, yes, moving on.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
So this is what brought this topic to want to
talk about it again. And this is this next one,
And this is what happened last night with one of
my investigators. And Dave and I have encountered it a
couple of times ourselves with people that are with us
on like investigations, and that is spirits do not owe

(01:12:27):
you anything.

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
They do not over yourself. Yeah. So, I mean, Dave
and I can go back to Mounts Theater.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
If if he remembers when we were with.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
That one lady and remember ladies were there, Yeah, I mean,
and she was adamant. She was like paid money to
be here. You need to entertain me, you need to
do something and let me just re enter.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
What happened to her is about within the next twenty minutes,
she got so naughty she had to leave. Yep, they
taught her a lesson. Yep, so what happened last night
and she didn't do it in that fashion like that
that that wasn't it. She was just trying to I

(01:13:16):
think she was trying to be more supportive than anything.
But we were in like a theater type environment and
she was in the front row and we were doing it,
doing a session, and she was like, you know, and
she started to get she tried to get I don't
want to.

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
Know, Braddy, maybe he's a better word.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
She's like, she's like, come on, I like, you know,
I wanted the show to start. She's like, I'm in
the front row. I paid a lot of money for.

Speaker 4 (01:13:41):
These, and you know, she she wasn't trying to be like,
she wasn't trying to be a bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
I think she's just trying to well, I don't I
don't know. I don't even want to say that she.
I think she's just trying to get like one of
those uh like a reaction like oh, you know, like
like our audience really wants us to go on, you know,
that type of thing. She just went about the wrong way.
And so, you know, as soon as she did it,

(01:14:10):
I'm like four, No, probably ten rows behind her, sitting
in the middle, and I'm just I just start saying, like,
that's got to be a conversation. But that's what brought
this up is you can't go into someplace thinking, especially
when like it's a paid like Edinburgh manor for our

(01:14:34):
you know, Waverly Hills, you can't go in there and
demand they do something because you paid money to the
other people that they now need to entertain you.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
That's just not how it works. That's so offensive to
me that I would remove you from the investigation and
give you your money back and send you packing. To be
honest with you, Yeah, because you're not even going to
You're not even going to be allowed to be around
me with that kind of mentality. And I'm not putting

(01:15:07):
myself on a plateau in any way, shape or form,
but that type of attitude is totally the antithesis of
where you need to be. If you're trying to communicate
with something that fifty five percent of the world says
doesn't exist, you know, you can't go in there with

(01:15:29):
that kind of mentality. You have to be calm, appreciative, grounded, respectful.
Right you want to have an experience, you would like
to have an experience, You would like to see something
or hear something in review, or feel something. You would

(01:15:51):
like to help. Once you get in this path and
you've been in it a long time, you know you
want to help them move to where they want to
move to. That's another pet peeve of mine. Stop going
into locations with the word moving everybody forward today? What

(01:16:14):
the hell is that? Did you talk to everybody? Did
you communicate with the thirty eight individuals that are here
because they like it here, and now you're going to
put them on the bus forcefully? I don't think so

(01:16:35):
that's just a dick move right there. Sorry, And I
know people who do it and my friends, but still
a dick move. Yeah. I don't don't move anybody on
that unless you communicate with them that they're that they're struggling,
or that they're scared to be where they're at. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
I I'm not going to say who it is, even
though if he's listening to show know who knows who
he is. But I mean, I don't say anything to
do him because it's not my team, you know, so, uh,
I I know. But there there's been a lot of
times when we'll talk about like upcoming cases or whatever,

(01:17:14):
and you know, he'll be like, oh yeah, he's like
tomorrow we got to go to this one place and
do a clearing. And I'm like, oh well yeah. I'm like,
well did you well did your investigations turn now? Oh no,
We're just going to go in and clear it. That's
what the client wants. And I'm like, all right, I
am not going to say anything. I'm like, if that's

(01:17:37):
the way you want to do things.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
All right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
I don't I don't mind clearing, but I'm going to
understand the why I'm clearing.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
You know, I'll tell you what at your at your
best at your best bet, it's a coin flow as
to whether that spirit's going to leave or whether that
spirit who was living peacefully and coexisting is now going
to get pissed off because it wants to be there

(01:18:14):
and you're coming in and trying to establish some sort
of rules. They don't have a goddamn thing to do
with their existence with the homeowner.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
So I have had those investigations I have to where
the homeowner experiences something paranormal and instead of trying to
understand or whatever, they bring in somebody to clear it
and it doesn't work, backfires.

Speaker 4 (01:18:40):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Now they're pissed, right, and and thankfully I was able
to diffuse that and just be like, look, if they
agree to never try to remove you again, can you
just leave them alone.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
There was a mistake, yep, and they were scared, they
didn't understand what they were doing. Can we just do
some coexistence here and just be peaceful?

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
And everything has been hunky dory ever since, And.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
That's all you need to do.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Yeah, all right, treat spirits as if they're still human
and they will treat you the same.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
Absolutely converse with them exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
And that's I mean, huh. I can't tell you how
many times somebodys leaned over like whispered something to me,
you know, like about what we were experiencing or whatever,
And I'm like, why.

Speaker 4 (01:19:37):
Are you whispering? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
I'm like, yeah, I'm like, they're dead, they're can hear you.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Yeah, they're not deaf exactly right, Yeah, they're right here,
they're right, they're right between us, like listening.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
It's not like you're being secretive, you know exactly. So
it's uh, you know, and I've often had this conversation
with uh, with my team, or you know, certain members
of the team over the years about whether you know,
we can in our field, whether we can even use
the word dead as opposed to like passed on or

(01:20:17):
something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:19):
Or moved on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Because if you're dealing with an intelligent spirit who understands
their life, who's in their former home and they know
they're in their former home, they know they've passed on,
and you can.

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
They know there's a new homeowner, and they're okay with it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
Exactly, and you go in there and you communicate, and
they set out the equipment and they you know, leave
an e VP or too. Can you call them dead
because they're obviously not.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
They're not. They're they're in a transition exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
So I've actually started moving using the term passed on
as opposed to dead.

Speaker 4 (01:20:53):
I use the term transitional transitional phase, right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Or you can just use you can use the term
the otherwise meat.

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
Suited, the lack of the lack of meat suit, not
the non meat suited. Yeah, yeah, you hung your moat,
you hung your meat suit up to dry, and yeah,
finally are free of it and now you're just enjoying things.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
I mean, this kind of is based off this one,
although it probably could be its own mentality.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
I heard the theory many years ago, and I actually
really subscribed to it. It seems to really fit. Is
that spirits who uh pete, when they were alive, they
have certain traits, so so spirits when they when they
transition on using using your tomb, they have the same

(01:21:51):
characteristics as they have when they were alive. And so
if you're dealing with a spirit who would not normally
follow a stranger home, a spirit's not going to follow
you home. If you're dealing with an ass hat who
is very territorial and this is my own, my rule,
my land, and you try to go against him in

(01:22:11):
some disrespectful way, yeah he's going to smack you down
because that's the way he would have done it anyways.

Speaker 4 (01:22:17):
I mean that that right there is the perfect example
of the person getting feeling like they got shoved going
down the stairs. Right, you walked into the house. You
thought you were in control. You told the guy entertain
me like a monkey, come on, monkey boy, entertain me.
Clap your clap your little discs together, come on, let's go. Right,

(01:22:37):
And the person who owns the house was a grumpy
sob anyway, and he's like, yeah, just way to you
try to go downstairs from the second floor and we'll
see who's who's going to be the person who's going
to pay the price on this move, right, And then
you get the hand in the middle of your back
and you go tumbling forward, hopefully just a couple of

(01:22:58):
bruises and lesson learned.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Hopefully emphasis un less and learned and.

Speaker 4 (01:23:05):
A couple bruises. But you fall on the stairs, they're
going to get at least a couple of bruises. SOA
but yes, you know, that's a perfect example of that
type of mentality, right.

Speaker 2 (01:23:18):
And there's been a lot of times, uh where you
get a list of claims and they're aggressive, you know,
they're they're they're aggressive, they're banging on the walls, there's
things scratched, you know, yeah, maybe even scratching and you know,
and I always say, you know, depending on the location

(01:23:40):
and what exactly it is, especially if it's somebody like
a private home, right, I'm like, well, look at it
this way. Let's say you're a spirit who doesn't understand
that they're dead, or they want their home, or they
don't know why you're suddenly in their home.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
I was just going to say, right, they don't understand
why you're here.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Yeah, how do you think they're going to react? They're
they're they're going to react very strongly, right, you know,
they're going to try and get your ass out of there.

Speaker 4 (01:24:07):
Because they don't know why you're there. Right, it's their home.
I think I think honestly, at times too, I think
they're just as probably when they're in that early transition phase,
they're probably just as scared that there's intruders in their
house as you are that, hey, we just bought this
house and there's some weird stuff going on. You know,

(01:24:29):
it's probably equal for both sides of the party at
the very beginning of those kind of relationships, yep. You know,
like they're like, hey, I've lived here, you know, fifty
five years. My husband passed away in this house, and
so did I five years after that, and this was
we raised our kids and grandkids and everything in this house.
Who the hell are you right? Why are you here?

(01:24:54):
You know? And because they're confused, you know, they're in
that they're in that early stage of transition, they're confused. Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
So this next one is another thing that came out
last night, and I get it all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
You're back, Oh, it's just been killing me all week,
so I'm strepped.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Sorry, Nope, that's quite all right.

Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
And and.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
I get it all the time. I know, Dave, you
probably get it all the time. And uh, that is
just because it's quiet, doesn't mean the spirits aren't talking
to you.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
What's that is one hundred percent correct?

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
All right, there's another one.

Speaker 4 (01:25:36):
Yeah, there's another one. Yeah, I'm throwing a few hundreds
out this year. I know that is one hundred percent correct.
Just because you can't hear it does not mean there
is not activity happening. Yeah. I cannot tell you how
many times we would go back and listen to something
and be like, what it was completely dead quiet, and
then pulled eight ten rock solid class A EVPs the

(01:26:00):
out of the investigation. To be like that is unbelievable,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
And it happened again last night. You know, I was leaving,
I was talking to my client and I asked, I asked,
if she, you know, at least enjoyed herself or you
know whatever, and uh, she was like, you know, she's
like it was a little quiet. She's like, you know,
it was it even worth your trip up here. And
I said that exact mentality, or I go, just because

(01:26:27):
it's quiet doesn't mean they're not speaking to you, and
she was like, you're absolutely correct, and uh and I
reintered reiterated that to the team on the way home,
because you know how I always do. I always ask
what did you think? You know, what'd you think of
the investigator? And a couple of them was like, it
was a lot quieter than I thought it would be.
And I'm just because it's quiet doesn't mean they're not

(01:26:50):
they're not trying to communicate with you.

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
It just means not on the same way of length.
Yet that's all.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
Well, that just they didn't see a point in making
the rem k go, you know, right right? So I mean,
and who really does because I.

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
Still think that I still think that spirits, you know,
and you know, you know who he is. There's a
popular guy out on the East Coast who you know,
TV kind of guy who he and I just are
totally on opposite ends, butting heads on this. But his
mentality is, hey, you passed away in seventeen ninety, but

(01:27:28):
you keep up to speed with everything that's going on,
so you understand what a laser grid is, and you
understand what a flear is and what a what a
rempot is. And my mentality is, if I died in
nineteen fifty two and you walk into my house with
a laser beam, what the hell is a laser beam?

(01:27:49):
First of all? And secondly, why if I step into
that thing that shot on my wall? It's gonna kill me.
I'm not I'm not joking. That's exactly what I think happens.
And and his mentality is, Oh, they know, they understand
everything that's going on, like you're an idiot.

Speaker 6 (01:28:09):
They don't understand. What the hell do you mean they
understand somebody that died in the fifties that's kind of
trapped in their own little time cube right now because
they haven't been able to expand themselves outward.

Speaker 4 (01:28:20):
And move on. You think they know, you know what
a rempot is. They don't know. They're afraid of it.
It makes a lot of noise and a lot of
lights flash. And that nothing like that existed. I mean,
it was the future, scientific future to have a telephone

(01:28:44):
where you could put it in your pocket, right or
like a mobile phone that was like that. That didn't
exist right, you'd be better. You'd probably find one up
on Mars, your Martian. I'm just I'm just saying, probably
ninety percent of the population would have told you you
were crazy if you told them. If you could go

(01:29:06):
back in time right now to nineteen forty five and
pull out your cell phone and show it to him
and take a picture of them, you'd be bread and
take a video you'd be which, yeah, you'd be. You'd
be in jail, You're should be confiscated, and then you'd
be you'd be you'd just disappear. The men in black literally,

(01:29:27):
the men in black in the Lincolns would show up,
throw your ass back of the Lincoln, and you'd be
in Utah. That's exactly what would happen. So, yeah, it's
interesting though, you know it. So I don't think so.
I think that spirits that have passed away many many
years ago. I think that you have to go back
in time. And that is why I absolutely love using

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time period correct pieces. You know, if I'm going to
a case where I know that the history of the
house was the turn of the century, I'll do my
best to secure bunch of like an old pocket watch
and some real silver coins from around that timeframe, and
maybe some old bills if I can get my hands
on them, or some old photos or postcards or something

(01:30:12):
as a trigger object that they're going to recognize and
then understand. I think that you're trying to show them
that it's okay, right, Like I'm trying to bridge the
gap here, right. I'm bringing these things to share with

(01:30:34):
you because I think they're important, that they could be
important to you. You know, I don't own a bunch
of glitz and glamoured equipment anyway. I use my recorder recorders,
uh and uh, you know, my digital camera, and I
got a little night when I when I feel like
shooting video, I've got a little a nice little sony

(01:30:57):
that shoots in zero light, little tiny handicam that does
a really nice job and shoots in fork and not
four k NHD, which is plenty fine for what we do.
So that's it. I don't have anything else. When I
do set up, it takes me about six minutes. When

(01:31:19):
you do set up, it takes about an hour and
forty five minutes. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's
just too Again, we're on the same path. We're just
at about ten feet apart at that point. Yep, I'm
over here on the simple path and the you're over
here on the like the road to Odds, and I'm
just on this little dirt trail. Ye walk walk parallel

(01:31:41):
to you. But you know, every everybody sees things differently,
you know, and how they want to communicate. I have
great luck communicating with what I use, and you know,
obviously you have great luck communicating with what you use.
I mean, I do like the flair. I do. I mean,
I do like the flair. Maybe so or down the road,
i'd get a flair, but I think it's just a

(01:32:03):
cool tool anyway. And after some of the things that
I've seen a big caught on flairs, I think that's like,
I think that that has a place in a good investigative,
you know, briefcase type of thing of things to use
while you're out in the field. Ye I agreed.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
So all right, you like this one. Okay, you must
have patience. I don't even really need to go much
more into that, just you need to be patient in everything.

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Everybody's excited to have these, you know, personal experiences, and
they're really eager, especially when you're a rookie. I was
talking with Nicole last night about another one of our investigators, Chris,
and how every other like every other question or almost
every question he asked is has something to do with

(01:33:00):
the equipment to go off. And I know you really
want that equipment to go off, but settled.

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
Out that's the that's the circus mentality performed for me. Yeah, exactly,
you know, and that's a rookie that that's the rookie mentality.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
It is, and so I mean that's why it's on there.
You must have patience and and that's actually one of
the questions that I asked, you know, new investigators is
would you be okay if you went who were three
investigations straight and nothing happened to you? And uh, so far,
I think I've gotten truthful answers based on their their

(01:33:38):
behavior through the first you know, a couple of investigations.
But but it's always important that to understand and stress
patience and everything and everything that we do because you know,
just like you, the spearits don't owe you anything. You're
doing this on their terms. It might not even be there.

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
And there's that too, right, I mean, you know, vortexas
are a real thing. They might be there at times,
but they when I pass away, I'm gonna come visit
you and I'll give you some great EVPs, but I'm
not gonna be around all the time. I'm going to
be in Greece. I'm gonna be in Alaska. I'm gonna
be on the dark side of the moon. I'm gonna

(01:34:20):
be checking out the nebulas. And then I'll come back
down and you know, say hi when you're at some
high school and the northern part of the state or whatever. Right,
I'll just pop in and be like, my I hope
everything's going good, buddy. That's the kind of EVP you're
gonna get for me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Well, and since you lived your life, past, present, future
all at the same time, right, Yeah, that's good. Give
that e VP to me. The next investigation, m Ill.
Just be like Dave, Dave you here.

Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
Next investigation, you call out for me, and if I'm
capable of doing it, even though we're I'm still alive
and stuff here, if I'm capable of doing it, I
will try and do my best to try and figure
that puzzle out and send you an EVP speaking ass
but I want to hear it if it comes through. Well,

(01:35:18):
you'll know it would be my voice. Obviously, we got
a pretty distinct voice.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
So yeah, so you will give out two in the
same show to this one. The risks are very real.
Be careful what you say and ask for. We've only
talked about that every other episode.

Speaker 4 (01:35:38):
Every other episode. Be careful what you wish for. Yeah,
so don't go into an investigation and go I want
you to scratch my neck. I want you to shove
me down. I'm going to stand right here on the
edge of the staircase. I want you to push me
down the stairs. No, you don't get it. Here's your
twenty dollars back, get in your car and go home.

(01:35:58):
You're just an idiot because you're endangering everybody else. You're
endangering yourself. You're pissing off the spirits that are here,
You're pissing off the energy that's here, and you're only
endangering other people that don't want to get attacked, that
don't want to get shown down the stairs. Yep, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
And lastly, I actually just wrote this down at the
beginning of the show, so I'm adding I've added a
mentality and a rule tonight nice and so the next
mentality and the last one. There is only so much
we can do as a team, you know, there there
are some situations that are beyond our capabilities.

Speaker 4 (01:36:41):
Right, You're just an observer and a documentarian of what's
going on, and then you have to pass it along
to somebody who can, who can whose expertise is a
little different path than yours. Dave, keep talking, I'll be
right back, Okay, not a problem. So, like in a
situation like that, Let's say that you get into a

(01:37:05):
situation where and I'm not going to go demonic, but
let's just say it's a little darker, you know, where
the kids are being terrorized. You've got the hag in
the closet that's scaring the hell out of the kids
at night for no reason. As a team, you go
in and you document that. You know, you go and
you get proof as best you can. You do eyewitness testimony. Obviously,

(01:37:29):
you bring your equipment and strategically place it. You know that.
I will say this, so anytime that you're going to
go on an investigation, the term investigation is a is
a multiple term, right, It's not a singular term. So
I have been on that mentality for a long time.

(01:37:49):
It might take me and it has taken me six
months to complete a case. Right. Grant Wilson said it
best when he was speaking at a conference we were at.
You know that that he might have to go back
to a location eight, ten, twelve times in order to
get it resolved, because it's not a one and done
type of situation. So if you get yourself into a

(01:38:12):
situation where you're asked to come in as a documentary
and kind of role, then what you're really doing there
is you're helping the person who's in distress by using
your tools, using your equipment, using your knowledge and your experience,
documenting everything the best you can, presenting great evidence, and

(01:38:32):
then passing that great evidence onto somebody else and letting
them step in and help the family in a way
that they can help the family that might not be
your expertise. And that's the beauty part about the paranormal
community is that we all have each other's back, you know,
we all have It's the same thing as anything else

(01:38:54):
in the world. You know, you you specialize in this,
You specialize in this, specially realizing this. We can't all
specialize in everything, So you know, you might be great
at getting EVPs and understanding of you might be great
at getting spirit photography, you might be great at experiencing
personal you know, personal experiences type of thing where you

(01:39:18):
can feel the energy and you can sense what they're
talking about. And so you share your personal experiences with
the person who's a great photographer of spirit energy. And
then those two people share their experiences and their information
with the person who does a great job of getting
EVPs by asking proper questions and sharing positive energy and

(01:39:38):
strategically placing recorders where they should be and being able
to discern background noise and shit that shouldn't be there
versus a real EVP. And when you bring all that together,
you get a beautiful case, you know, and it's the
same thing. So you get a beautiful case, but it's
a little bit about of our wheelhouse. So we're going
to pass it to pastor Tom, you know, or pass

(01:39:59):
it too, you know, see them medium Susan right or
whatever that you're right to see, I mean, whatever the
situation might be, and then we all have each other's
backs like that, right. The ultimate goal with this is
not fame, fortune or pride, because God forbid you have
pride when you're doing this I'll throw you right out
the window myself. The real reason that we do this

(01:40:23):
is to help the people that are in distress that
can't handle what's going on. For me, it's the kids.
It's a family situation. So as an adult, you probably
did something stupid that cause it to happen, but I'm
still gonna come help you. But kids, little kids especially,

(01:40:48):
they didn't do anything wrong, so they need somebody in
their corner. And I'm the man to be there while
I'm here on the planet.

Speaker 2 (01:40:56):
So sure, yeah, So that's all I got. Those are
all Those are all the rules mentalities that I try
to pass along to my team and the investigators that

(01:41:17):
come out to to help me in my goal.

Speaker 4 (01:41:20):
As they've said, to help people.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Either with the activity directly or just understand what is
going on. Right, sometimes the understanding is all they're really
looking for.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
And I I've had that happen so many times. Right,
it's not about calling in the calvalry. It's just about
helping the client understand what they're experiencing. And then when
they understand it, they're like, Okay, as long as it
stays here, you know, and doesn't ramp up, we can

(01:41:54):
live with this. This is okay, right, this is okay.
If I hear some pots and pants banging in the
kitchen and the middle night, it's okay, well wake up,
they'll wake me up. I'll hear it. But if I
know what it is, it's okay, exactly it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
You know, when people wake up in the middle of
the night or whatever, they hear pots and pants, you know,
they're right away think.

Speaker 4 (01:42:13):
Intruder, right, and what the hell intruder is stealing your
your twenty nine dollars t fault dots and pants.

Speaker 2 (01:42:20):
Well maybe they're going for something else and are banging it.
But anyway, but if they wake up in the middle
of the night and they're like, oh, that's old man Johnson.
He's just cooking breakfast, you know, like he always did.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
Yeah, and they're gonna go right back to sleep, exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
And uh so, understanding I think is probably for a
paranormal investigator, like the most important part of what we do.

Speaker 4 (01:42:45):
And it takes time. So if you're new, if you're
just starting out and you're like, oh, I'm gonna knock
all this stuff out of the park. No, you're not. No,
you're not. No, you're not. No, you're not you know
what you're gonna do. You're gonna jump in both feet first,
and then you're gonna get overwhelmed as hell, and then
you're gonna get scared, and you're gonna have some experiences

(01:43:07):
that are going to freak your ass out, and you
might run away or you might not, or you might
come back. But when you do and you've had and
time has gone by, you're going to find your niche.
And that niche, if you find it and you build
upon it, that niche is what's going to strengthen the
community moving forward. As any great investigator, we all have

(01:43:33):
our niches. So before we end here, because I don't
really have anything else, no I don't either. I mean,
we said we're going to struggle to get to an hour,
and we're an hour and forty five in, so it's
not too shabby.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
But for anybody out there who thinks they have maybe
a rule or a mentality that is not on of
my list, feel free to sentence me. Uh you know,
Odyssey Foul Radio. Absolutely let me get rid of the email.

Speaker 4 (01:44:08):
Dave. That's sorry. I was gonna say, come on the
show and support your reason why you think it's a
good rule.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
We can do that, but Odyssey Fouls Radio at gmail
dot com. Also if you have or you can just
go to the website and do a submission for it.
But or if you have a paranormal story or question
for Dave and I for the mail bag, you can
go on to Odyssey Fouls Radio dot com and submit that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:35):
There there are some in there for the next time
that we hit the mail bag. There's a couple of
beauties in there. Sweet.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
So once again, just want to apologize for Brenton Ryan
not being here. I have no idea what happened to them.
It's not like they called it. It's not they they
wrote in and were like, we can't make it. They
just did not no call, no show. So well, we'll
see what we can do because I really want that
show and I think it'd be great. So it must

(01:45:06):
be some sort of miscommunication. But anyway, what that said
we will be back next week? Will we be back
next week?

Speaker 4 (01:45:16):
Or is that? What is next week? That's Thanksgiving? Isn't it? No?

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
Well, Thanksgiving start Thanksgiving Thursday, so it's twenty fourth. Are
you going to be here for that?

Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
Dave? I don't know. I sent you my schedule. Yeah,
and I think I don't think that was on it.
I think the next day you have off. The next
day I'm off for my birthday, right, yeah, December first,
I'm off for my birthday. No, I'll be on next
week and then Live on the Air, I'll be on

(01:45:50):
December eighth, and I'll be on December. That would be
it'll be our last show of the year, show of
the year, the fifteenth, right, because then the twenty second
I won't be on, and then the twenty ninth I
won't be on. Yeah, so the fifteenth to be our
last show of the year. Yeah, I was gonna say
fifteenth that kind of be our Christmas episode and whatever

(01:46:11):
goodies we can find, maybe we should go giveaway this
year give away. Yeah, look for Christmas. We'll think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
Yeahs are I'll be buying it?

Speaker 4 (01:46:23):
So no, no, no, Well, I was thinking, you know,
I mean being in you know, kind of in high
end jewelry and stuff like that, and you know, you've
got extra T shirts and hats and stuff like that
we can come together and throw together like something nice.

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
We will discuss it and talk about it later. We
have plenty of time. Yeah, yep, So all right, Well,
Enjoy this abbreviated, abbreviated show.

Speaker 4 (01:46:47):
Enjoy this two hour show. That's twelve minutes shorts, twelve
minutes short. Sorry anyways, all right, we'll see everyone next week.

Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
Everyone, stay healthy, stay safe. Want to see you back here.
Have a good night.