Episode 322 - Crop Circles w_psychic medium Sena Dyksman! - The Odyssey Files Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
H why I God, God.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
God, Evening, Paranormal community, and thank you are taking here
in this wonderful edition of the Odyssey Files.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
I'm your host, Michael O'Neill back with me after being
sick and celebrating his one hundred and thirty seventh birthday.
Is my co host, mister David Sareen Good evening.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
Dave Good evening, Mike Good evening. Everybody wasn't one hundred
and thirty seventh, one hundred and thirty fourth, But you're.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Clothes, you know, just counting the rings that are on
the eyes.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah, yeah, oh well then that case, yeah, I can
see one hundred and forty seven. Probably Wisdom marks my
friend Wisdom Marx, that's what you call him.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yes, yes, indeed, sometimes yes, sometimes.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
No, exactly mostly yes.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Sure we can go with that. So I got a
great show for everybody tonight that I've been looking forward
to for many, many, many, many many weeks, even though
it's not the spiracy theory type realm that Dave had

(02:31):
promised me, because after like a month and a half,
still seems to can't like he can't find his research
on that conspiracy theory in his own.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Maybe No, I've just been swamped at work. Honestly, it's
just been This week was just brutal, and next week's
going to be brutal. So look something to look forward to.
In twenty twenty five. We will definitely hit David's crop
circle arras theory and I will blow out of the
water all of the skeptics that want to say the

(03:05):
crop circles are not legitimate, and we're going to put
a preemptive strike on that theory tonight.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Yes, So last week, as listeners of the show, no
I had Psychomedium seen a diceman on with me to
talk about aliens in general, and the topic very very
quickly because we know cut it off because we were
going to do it this week, crop circles came up,

(03:35):
and apparently seene It knows the answers to what crop
circles are and who makes them and why, and so
Dave and I invited back for the second hour to
test that, to see what answers we can get out

(03:56):
of our friendly still and just to warn everybody because
it always happens. I'm sure we'll hit crop circles for
about twelve minutes of the second hour, and then we're
going to be other places.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
We're going to be teleporting all over the universe today
like we do every time.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
Be careful because there is an interchange coming up where
we will go northwest, south east east in southwest north.
We will be all over the place sightseeing the entire
city of the Paranormal here tonight to so greatly looking

(04:40):
forward to that. Do have a couple of announcements. One
is very very important for.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
People, so.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
With David Mis's schedules, especially mine, because I've started signing
up for the one am shift at at UPS, so
four hours from the end of this show, live show anyway,
I will be at work. So and just to take

(05:10):
all the pressure off us.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
When it comes to football, right, and just kind of
wanting to give because I know a lot of people
around this time, you know, they're having dinner with their families,
they're on the TV watching football.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
They're relaxing. So we want to hit the people who
when they wake up in the morning, spend four or
five hours browsing social media. And so starting next week
and obviously moving into the new year, we will be

(05:44):
live live here. Obviously this won't affect anything when it
comes to downloads in the podcast form, of this because
it'll just go out like normal after the show. You'll
just get it earlier, I guess. But we will now
be ten am to noon on Sundays starting next week,

(06:05):
and and obviously next week our big Christmas Christmas show,
which we haven't quite nailed down yet I really wanted to.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
We'll have something to put together.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Of course, Dave has thrown out I'm warming to it
a little bit that maybe we will buy some gifts
for our wonderful listeners and give those away on next

(06:41):
week's episode. Only problem with that is we haven't determined
yet how to set that up right. I don't know
why my laugh just sounded like Woody Woodpecker, but it did.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
They did.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
So let's so let's move on and forget that ever happened.
So anyway, So yeah, so next week ten am to
noon for the new show hours.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
And.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
We'll post something all over our social media and my
team page two. Let people know how they all they
can personally, I think, and maybe we could do it
right here and just agree to it. People have to
send in their best Christmas stories or memories or best

(07:37):
present they ever gotten. Why you know that sort of thing.
It's something that it's going to be about Christmas.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
And.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
Should we make it. Does it have to be about
like spreading love and joy and stuff, or can it
just be like I got this Christmas present, it just
shattered my life as a child. Are we taking those
kind of stories too, or are we just taking.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Now ship as in like completely made my life meaningless,
like that kind of shattered.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
I think for my generation and probably your generation, probably not,
But I think some of the younger generations. I think
that I have some of the stuff that I've read
on social media. That exact term came from a social
media post that I read where the Christmas present that
my parents decided to get me just shattered my life
this year?

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Now, are we talking about it legitimately?

Speaker 4 (08:32):
Was so legit Well, I don't know. You know, it's
social media, right, so I take everything with a grain
of salt, But I mean I take factual things with
a grain of salt. So I mean I take social
media with a gallon of salt. But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Oh, okay, I will accept those uh well, where am
I looking for those submissions?

Speaker 7 (08:56):
There?

Speaker 3 (08:56):
I will accept those submissions under the disc that if
you're being like a spoiled brat, like I didn't get
this seven to five. Yeah I didn't get this. Yeah
I didn't get this PS five or this new iPhone
they gave me, you know, an Android, you know, S
twenty three or something like that. I can't even go

(09:18):
to school now with it. Right, as long as you
I put out the disclaimer and you understand that, you
open yourself up for further mockery, because that's that's ridiculous.
But if it's something along the lines of we don't
have money for presents this year and this which is terrible,

(09:40):
obviously the no, yeah there, that will not get any
mockery from from me or or or from me. Yes,
so yeah, keep that in mind. But yeah, we prefer positive.
We always have ye. But yeah, so let's just say
that now I will buy a few you probably like

(10:02):
the Spirit Box or something like that, maybe K two something,
you know, maybe since I haven't had a chance of
like giving them away or not giving them away, but
like selling them for a while. Like maybe I can
throw in a demon shirt it's it's not a demon
shirt for my team, whatever size, and obviously free shipping.

(10:26):
It was shipped those myself. But yeah, so we'll we'll
have a couple depending on how many entries we get,
and of course, like I said, I'll post those to
all all our social media.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
And for twenty twenty five, my promise this year is
that I'm going to get better lighting so I don't
constantly look like a ghost on the show, fading in
and out.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Maybe that will be my present to you.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
I don't know, but these twenty watt bulbs overhead just
aren't cutting it.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Nope, no, no, no, no, you need you need to
be as clear as me.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Yeah. I never have been since they won.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
No, no, you haven't, which is surprised by a new
I did buy a new, A new.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
What you call it?

Speaker 3 (11:14):
I have no idea.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Uh, let's see wherever the new Logitech the c X
twenty or nine to twenty HD pro So we'll see
if that helps.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Well, you do look slightly less pasty.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Than you so that's good.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
You're you're on You're on the right track.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
So before we get started on stories too, that's what
I want to interject.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Absolutely have about it.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
So I don't know if you've ever watched this or not,
but there's a really interesting thing that's happening right now
out in New Jersey and they are getting bombarded by
what they're referring to as drones, and it's kind of
a big deal. It's gotten to the point now where
the FAA has mandated airspace shut down over Trump National

(11:59):
and the military site that's a couple of miles away
from there, and the FBI just recently now is involved
in it and investigating where the drones are coming from
because they cannot determine where the drones are being launched from.
But the thing that gets me here is that, and
there's a ton of video on this online and personal things,

(12:23):
and every major newscast like USA Today and the New
York Time, I mean, every single newspaper outlet all over
the world is talking about this. Some of these drones
are as big as cars, and we've as far as
I know, we don't have drones as big as cars,
at least not in the public sector. And if this
is some sort of military test thing, once again, why

(12:45):
are they not just saying, hey, we're just testing some
you know, we're going to be testing some drones in
the area, and just put it out there so that
people understand what it is. Because now you've got all
kinds of stuff it's already gotten to the point now
where they're talking about parts of the population having PTSD
from nine to eleven still, and now this is sparking
the PTSD of the general populace and that they're concerned

(13:09):
for people's well being and mental health here going into
the holidays, and these sightings have been frequent. It's not
like it was once and twice and done. It's happening
like I don't want to say every day, because I
didn't see it was written that it happened every day,
but it's happening frequently enough that the FAA, the FBI
and other organizations are getting involved in it trying to

(13:29):
figure out what the hell's going on. So it's just
something to point out so that if this turns into
something bigger and it's not just some sort of prank
done by some local kids, that you heard it first
here on the Odyssey Files after it was already reported
all the major news outlets.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
That's right, you heard of here after everybody else.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
But I do find it extremely interesting that something like
that is happening and that there's no determination for it,
because you would think, you know, drones only have so
much of a flight time and you would think that
that if it was just a group of people doing it,
that they would either they'd be concerned, and they would

(14:17):
stop once the FBI got involved in the FAA, because
it'd be federal charges against them, and so you would think, hey,
it was a Joe, cool, but we should probably stop. Kno,
because I don't want to do twenty years in a
federal penitentiary for flying over you know, the military site
accidentally or whatever. But it doesn't seem to be stopping anybody.
And the thing that really caught my eye was the
size of them. I mean, I've never seen I don't

(14:40):
know of any I've never heard of a drone that
is the size of a car and I'm sorry, also
fixed wing aircraft that have unique lights on them. So
I'm almost thinking like, maybe this isn't drones. Maybe this
is some sort of aerial phenomenon, something that is for
some reason and there's something there that is drawing this

(15:02):
mass surge to of some type of probes that are
looking for something. Because it seems to be pretty concentrated
along the river, the Radicky River or something like that.
Let's see what the name of that river is. I

(15:31):
don't see it handily. But anyway, if you look it up,
you can't miss it. Just type in New Jersey drones
and that will give you about three hundred hits as
to what's going on. So I thought it worth mentioning
just because it's something that's obviously not normal, you know,

(15:51):
so in that sense, it's possibly paranormal. So this will
be an update story. We'll continue watching it and see
what we see. They will get a hold of some
of our friends over there on the East coast and
get their opinions on it. See what the hell's going on? Uh? Oh,

(16:14):
there you are? Here you are? Yeah, I can hear
you now.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
I don't know what happened. I all of a sudden
got this warning thing that my mic was unplugged. I'm like,
I haven't touched it, so I don't know what you're
talking about. Yeah, but yeah, it automatically muted me, so
I had to mute myself where I unmute myself anyway.
All right, So, yeah, as I was saying, which you

(16:39):
probably couldn't hear, and I'm assuming you didn't because you
just start talking over me, I.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
Didn't hear you.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
No, I was gonna say, because I've seen videos of
people making like drones you can actually like step on
and I'll fly you around and stuff like that. So
when you said, like some of them are biggest cars,
I mean, these things are obviously pretty big because they
had to have propellers and stuff, you know, like eight

(17:09):
propellers and stuff like that to for for somebody to
ride on. But I mean some of them looked pretty sweet,
uh and worked quite well. So I don't know if
this is like seriously, when you were talking about this,
the first thing that came and goes, this is a

(17:29):
making of a super villain, Like this is what this
is what a super villain does. Like he well, he
hides in the shadows until he's built his army of
drones and now he's like releasing hive onto onto New
York City in this case New Jersey. But that's exactly
what came to mind. I'm like, this is this is

(17:51):
the makings of a super villain. Yeah, so it's interesting.
Pretty soon people are gonna be they're gonna have their
apple pies off their their window sills, like just stolen
right all from underneath them.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Well, I think the pug Wedgies probably are doing that
already out there.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Well maybe, but still now they have Maybe it's the
Puckwedges building the drones.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
Couldn't that be wouldn't that be interesting? Right? What are
you doing? Oh, we're just getting testing our new flight pad.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Uh, we're upgrading, dear sir.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Yeah, we're building the Uh we're building these drones that
can carry four of us at a time, because it's
just much more economical to travel in groups, so instead
of these single transports we've been using for decades. Yeah,
we're off on a tangent here, let's get the stories.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Okay with that set. It has been so long I
forgot how to do it for a second. There we are. Yeah,
it's proud to present the mail bag. And we are here.

(19:09):
It's been a number of weeks since we've we've done
the mail bag, so it has been we're behind. So
here we go getting caught up. So number one, does
being cold or getting goosebumps have anything to do with
goose And here's what they write. I just felt like
Casey Cason there for a second. Yeah, and he writes,

(19:34):
my brother died a few years back. I don't really
believe in ghosts or spirits, but I was missing him,
so I decided to quote unquote talk to him. I
just talked out loud for a while and asked if
he was there, if he could hear me. The whole
time I was talking to him, I was freezing cold
and had goosebumps, even after turning off my air conditioner
and getting under a ton of blankets, because which isn't normal,

(19:58):
because I get hot really easily. I didn't think anything
of this until I ended my conversation and told him
I was done talking, and I told him to go away.
Then the goosebumps went away almost immediately, and I'm not
cold anymore. I might just be paranoid, but I'm wondering
if this means anything. So first, just let me say

(20:21):
bravo to the whole. I want to talk to my
brother because I miss him, and then okay, I'm done,
go away. Yeah, excellent, and so the love. So I
can't really comment much on your specific, uh, your specific encounter,

(20:46):
because obviously it all depends on the environmental factors that
go along with it. However, in general, yes, so when
spirits try to manifest or do something, or when they
try to interact with our world, they draw energy in

(21:06):
from the air and When they do that, the heat
goes away, because that's the energy that they're using, and
that's why you get the cold spots, goose bumps, or
that static little electricity can be caused by many different factors,
one of which, yes, is the presence of a spirit

(21:27):
or ghost. Because you were trying to communicate with your brother,
and because of the fact that it suddenly came on
and then when you asked it to go away, it
went away. I'm narrowing it down to two things. One
because one of the creations of the static charge or

(21:48):
whatever is your own mind. Like if you have these
creepy thoughts in your head or something like that, you
can give yourself goose bumps. You can give yourself that
chat static charge. I do it all the time. And
if you have if you're not in a situation like
Dave and I are quite frequently where we can tell
the difference between whether it's our own thoughts or something

(22:10):
from the outside source, you will probably take it as
an outside source. And because you were like, Okay, you
can go away now, and then it went away, you
might have done that to yourself. Might have The second
is that your brother was there. He could have been
trying to communicate with you, do something to let you

(22:31):
know that he was there. Maybe he was successful and
he missed it other times, maybe not. One of the
things that I still don't know, and I don't think
anybody does, is how hard or easy it is for
that for the other side to interact with ours. And
from what I've gathered, even in their like spirit box

(22:52):
sessions where I've asked that question directly, it is not
as easy as we think for them to do so.
So he could have been trying, and that's what made
the cold spot. He could have been sitting there on
the couch next year or standing next year or whatever,
and that's what you felt, you know, his energy there,
which created the goosebumps. And then once you depending on

(23:16):
your conversation, maybe maybe he heard all that he needed
to hear, and when you said, okay, we're done, you
can go away now, he was like, well, okay, I
guess I can, and he left. So keep that mud.
It could go either way, but I would like to

(23:39):
believe that since it came on during your conversation and
left when you were done, that it was your brother
trying to alert you to his presence and then got
I think what he was looking for in hearing that
you would be okay and he was free to leave.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
I'm good. I don't have anything to add to that.
I would agree with you in the fact that I
think it was his brother. I like the fact that
the guy who wrote this, you know, tried to debunk it, saying, hey,
I normally don't lay under blankets because I get hot
really easy, and I turned off my AC to make
sure that that wasn't what was causing it. I mean,
you miss your brother. There's a love bond going on there.

(24:23):
You asked him to come in and listen to you,
and I think that's exactly what he did. I don't
know that he tried to communicate with you, because I don't.
You didn't say anything happened except for the goosebump. So
I think he just showed up and was listening to you,
is what I kind of the feeling I get. And
then when you were like, Okay, go away, you don't.
I don't have the power to tell him to go away.
I just think because he's your brother, he was just like, Okay,

(24:46):
I don't want to freak him out today. I just
was listening to you know, he asked me to listen
and talk. He was talking, so I came and sat
with him for a little bit. That's kind of the
feeling I get. You know, nothing bad obviously, just brotherly
love coming in to see how he's doing. So ghost
or something else trying to tell me something. So this
has happened twice now. First time was about two months ago.

(25:08):
I was alone in my room and I felt someone's
hand on my waist. I looked back and nothing was there.
Was pretty spooked out at that time. Similar thing happened yesterday.
I was on my bed and laying under a thick blanket,
had just finished meditating when I felt the spot in
the blanket get heavy around my waist, as though someone
was pressing down on it. I've never seen a ghost

(25:30):
in the quotes in my room except for when I'm sleeping.
Any idea what this could be. One thing I can
be sure of is that I am not imagining these touches.
They are there and they are very real. Okay, So
I think the keyword for me here is that you've
never seen a ghost except for when you're sleeping. That's

(25:53):
kind of what I keyed into on this one. So
the easiest way, or at least that's what we think.
The easiest way for a spirit or a loved one,
or just somebody who's interested in you because of your
energy for them to access into like kind of cross
the bridge and access your space or your your energy

(26:15):
is to do it while you're sleeping. I think that's
the easiest way for a spirit to come visit us,
to communicate messages, just to come and see you know
what we are. The fact that you and I don't
say this is and this is not a generality, but
in this situation, the fact that you're meditating and that

(26:37):
you I'm assuming this isn't like a one off thing
for you. You're already kind of open to clearing your mind,
thinking freely and openly letting the universe and letting everything
around you kind of evolve with you and into you,
and becoming kind of part of one and that kind
of harmonious one that everybody would love to get to.

(27:00):
And so I think that since you're open, that somebody
might be interested in you. I don't doubt that you
felt a hand on your waist, and I don't doubt
that you felt the blankets get heavy around your waist
I wonder what it is about your waist that is
the target area, you know, so it could be something

(27:25):
there if you've ever had an injury there or you know,
I don't know, for some reason, like it's screaming at
me right, like a miscarriage or something like that. It
could just be a loved one coming up and just
putting your arm around your waist, letting you know that
it's okay type of thing. But I don't think there's

(27:47):
anything here to be frightened of. I do think it
probably is some sort of spirit contact, especially because you've
been wide awake and alert both times that it happened,
and you're having visitation dreams, and now I think that
maybe it's taken the next step and manifesting into more
of a entering onto our realm, being able to physically

(28:12):
touch you. It hasn't hurt yet. I doubt it will.
I don't see any reason why it would from this
story anyway. So I don't think there's anything to be
scared of. I would think it's probably more of a
nurturing type of thing.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yeah, I don't disagree with anything that you said. I too,
I mean, the only reason that gives me pause with
this is the author of this doesn't say whether they're
male or female. I mean, it's just I just kind

(28:52):
of got the impression that it was female. Yea. And
so I mean when you said and I was like,
that's probably not it. But then you know, you mentioned
like miscarriage. You know, in my head, I was thinking pregnancy,
you know, something that that might a symbolize that that

(29:17):
it's gonna happen. You know, maybe in the future that's
it's coming up. Maybe it's already happened and you don't
know about it yet, right, you know that sort of thing. Again,
I don't know what your you know, the author's life is,
so who knows if that's correct or not. But usually

(29:39):
when somebody puts like their hand on your waist, uh,
you know, like living, it's to move you in a
certain direction, uh, you know, movie out of the way,
or turn you you know, that sort of thing. Even
though the second time, I'm just gonna say she, I.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Think it is asue.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
We both think it's a she.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
We just don't be sure. That's the impression I got.
For some reason, I didn't even think. I didn't even
think to look at them whether it was a male
or female. When I read it, I just my mind
immediately went to female.

Speaker 3 (30:08):
So but uh, no, I lost where I was going
with that, But I got my I got I got one.
Uh I wanted to So basically, oh, she was like
sitting or laying down on a bed under a blanket.

(30:29):
So it's hard to move somebody unless you like want
them to move over. Move over, You're like you push
the waiste a little bit, like, hey, I'm here, move over. Yeah,
you know, And honestly, if that's the case and you're
gonna hate this, that's the exactly reason why I'm gonna
say it. Maybe it's her from the future trying to

(30:52):
move herself over because it's.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Starting already half in the show.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
That's what I said. You're gonna hate it.

Speaker 7 (31:02):
Wow, But.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
I don't think that's actually the case. But you know, no,
weirder things have been said true. So but yeah, I
one hundred percent agree with you. I don't think she's
in any danger. I would just I would keep an
eye out or keep remembering all of these times, like

(31:25):
what you're doing, where you are, how does it feel
the pressure h and also what's going on in your
life at that time, because it simply could be your
your spirit guides reaching out and be like, you know, hey,
maybe you should move a little to the right or
move a little to the left. Right now, uh and
and ah in your path. But yeah, other than that,

(31:50):
it's hard to hard to tell what exactly it means. Agreed,
Oh look, it's my present from Dave. What the next door?

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Oh yeah, absolutely it ish. I wasn't gonna steal that
one from you.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Do cats protect people from ghosts? Oh? You silly, ignorant people.
All right, here we go. I'm nearly forty years old
and have had many experiences with ghosts. They used to
make me feel extremely uncomfortable and at times paralyzed with fear.
I really didn't like it, f would. I was chatting

(32:30):
with my husband the other day and said that I
wonder why the haunting stopped about five years ago. It
then clicked the next day I'd gotten if you rescue
cats around the same time. They're still with us, happy
and healthy old cats, and I've not had any type
of experience since getting them. So my question is, do

(32:50):
cats really protect people from ghosts? It seems like mine have,
so please do not take protect of you to protection
of their investment. So cats hate competition when it comes

(33:11):
for messing with the humans with us, and so I'm
sure whatever was messing with you before, once you got
the cats, they stake their claim and are now protecting
themselves and their investment of you from the spirits who
are messing with you. I know a lot of people

(33:34):
will say that cats were the guardians of the underworld.
I personally think, and I've said it before, I think
that that's incorrect. I think they're the ushers that they
push people into the underworld and show them their seat.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Into the river of flame.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
That's right. So you know all those pitch know, all
those videos of cats were knocking water bottles off the
thing while I'm just looking at you. Yeah, practice for
when you're on the river sticks and they're they just
smack you into into the river. So, uh, do I

(34:17):
think your cats are protecting you? Probably not? And I
know that my whole entire first answer is just joke,
and it's just me trying to be funny. Uh. I don't.
I don't necessarily know if cats will actually protect you,
or dogs for that matter. I know that they sense
spirits definitely, and they may make you aware of them.

(34:42):
And maybe that's maybe that's why it stopped. H Maybe
once you've got animals there, ah, it's sealthiness was now
gone and it went someplace else. I don't know why
it suddenly stopped.

Speaker 4 (35:01):
A lot of people have allergic to cat dander. I
mean so right, so maybe the spirit was allergic to
cat dander.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Could be could be maybe a cat threatened to eat
their soul if they came back. I could see that happening.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Absolutely, Yeah, I'm just gonna let you you take it.
I think I've said my piece, all right, so.

Speaker 4 (35:26):
I'm going to pretty much definitively say that you weren't
having any experiences of the ghosts. I think that maybe
you thought you were having experiences with ghosts. I think
that maybe there was an empty space in your life.
Maybe you never were able to have kids type of thing,

(35:48):
and so now you've got a couple of cats, or
you chose not to have kids, and now you got
a couple of cats, and they filled this void in
your life. And by filling this void in your life,
and it could have been a fish, it could have
been a bird, it could have been a dog, cat, whatever,
it doesn't matter. But by filling that void that you
had in your life. I think that you are more

(36:11):
complete now, and as being more complete, you're less likely
to You're more grounded and calm, and you're less likely
to jump to the conclusion that everything that you hear,
every noise, every peep, every unexplainable experience as a ghost.
Because I'm going to tell you what, if you're forty

(36:32):
years old and you've had many experiences with ghosts, now,
the term many experiences to me would be something I
would say, so, I've had many experiences with ghosts that
would be in the hundreds and maybe even into the
thousands over my lifetime. So for you to say that
at forty years old, I'm putting it into my context.
Now for this person, many experiences might be three, you know,

(36:56):
more than one, and two is a couple and three
as many, so you know, I don't know, but I
would say that you were never having any experience with ghosts.
I think this is just overreaction to normal circumstances happening
in your life. And I just think that, like anything
like when I got my first dog, it just you know,

(37:17):
there's just something that makes you It makes your life
more complete and now you have something else to focus on,
because now you've got a couple of cats, and you
focus on them because number one, they're going to claw
your eyes out if you don't feed them at five
thirty in the morning. And then you know, you have
to change their litter box every other day, and you know,
and then every once in a while they'll come over

(37:37):
for a rub and then they'll take off and forget you. Exist.
Dogs don't do that, but you know, they both fill
avoid and I think that's what happened here. So my answer, no, ghosts.
Cats don't protect people from ghosts. Animals fill avoid in
our lives that make us better human beings.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Personally, I think ghosts protect humans from cats.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
That could happen, or it could be right with the
whole dander thing.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Well, that would go on the whole thing of do
ghosts keep allergies that they had in real life?

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Right? Well, that's a question for Sina. So seeing after
you're listening, do ghosts take allergies into the next life?
There's our first there's our first northwest angle off of
our crop circle.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
We're not even gonna make it to the highway.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
We're gonna be on the back roads, baby gravel back roads?
All right? For those who have seen a ghost, what
did they look like? Hi, guys, I've personally never seen
a ghost, but some of my family members supposedly have
seen them. I'm curious to know how they appeared individuals.
Do they look injured like in the movie thirteen Ghosts?

(38:54):
Are they pale, white or transparent? Do they look like
normal people? Or are they a shape that doesn't look humanoid? Thanks.
I'm going to tell you that most of the questions
that you're asking here because you watch too many movies
about ghosts, spirits look just like they did when they
passed away. I would imagine if they wanted to, they

(39:20):
could show themselves to you in their death state. So
if somebody was in a bad car accident and their
head went through the windshield and their face was destroyed,
they could show themselves like that to you. They probably wouldn't.
They're probably going to go back to a time when
they looked their best, unless they hate you, and then

(39:43):
maybe they'll show themselves to you after the car accident.
I don't know, but I'm going to say that, for
the most part, every spirit that I've ever seen or
partial apparition or full apparition has been looks just like
a human being, and it's transparent. Now, transparency is really
the issue there, because I've seen the spirits that are
transparent to the point where you could just see something

(40:04):
kind of gray, like a grayish black maybe ten twenty
percent missed with no definition, clearly walk by you, or
walk across the room, and people are watching it happen.
Happened at the at the jail in West Virginia or
at the present in West Virginia. In the lunch room,

(40:25):
all of us watched somebody walk from one side of
the kitchen to the other side of the kitchen, stop
at a window, and then was just gone. I don't
know where they went. They went somewhere, but we didn't
see them after that. And then I've seen spirits that
are transparent to the point where I thought it was
a real person standing there. So I don't have the

(40:46):
answer as to how that happens. I don't understand what
the difference is is. I don't you know. Maybe that's
another question for sina. I don't know how they can
show themselves so clearly at times and so distant to times.
I'm not sure, but but they look like grown up people.
Other than that, No, they don't look like the thirteen ghosts.
They're not pale white. It isn't a sheet over somebody,

(41:09):
and they don't. I mean, I've never seen a spirit
that did that was a human spirit that didn't look humanoid.
I've seen things that don't look humanoid that wasn't a
human spirit, But I've never seen a human spirit that
doesn't look humanoid. Tellier's brother.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
To all of your questions that were asked in that story,
the answer is, yes, that's it. It's all I got. Okay,
let me expound upon that. They honestly, they can look

(41:51):
like anything that they want they want to.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
There there are tons of stories out there of uh,
you know, people who are being terrorized in their homes
or in their businesses. You know, they'll climb up the
stairs and they'll be, you know, a freaking scowling, drooly
ass werewolf you know, about to attack them. You know,

(42:17):
those are all human spirits, you know, any anything, because
it's just energy. We are all just energy. Keep that
in mind. We're all just energy, which means they can
look like anything that they want to or anything they
know how to appear. Ass as they said, most of
them look like they did when they died, because that's

(42:40):
what's most known to them, that's what's most comfortable for them,
that's most more the most comfortable for the people who
are going there trying to appear to and but we
have just use the LaDuke Mansion for instance, which is

(43:00):
you know, here in the Twin Cities, one of my
favorite places to go and investigate. I have caught the
daughter Alice on EVP. Scott, one of my investigators, has
had a personal physical encounter with her. And I don't
say that as if it was something bad or what
it wasn't. It was a great experience and he loves

(43:21):
to tell you the story. But it was an encounter,
Like I said, got tons of EVPs of her, of
a little girl, same voice every time. But Alice, I
would from what I believe, she was in her nineties
when she passed away, so she back in the house
as a child. Could it be because that was the

(43:43):
happiest time of her life, you know, it could be
a fragment of her soul that was still there, you know,
the main Alice went on, but maybe her childhood part
of her soul remains in the house. Either way, she
can appear as if you know, whatever she wants, and

(44:05):
sometimes usually like maybe if they don't, if they're in
their death state and they don't exactly know what's going on,
they will appear as if they were as if they die,
like if they were injured, you know, if they were
shot in the head. Unfortunately, sometimes people see them walking
through the house and may have a big old hole
in their head. Yeah, you know, and that's unfortunate, but

(44:29):
it does happen. Typically, you hear people talk about like
shadow figures and stuff that just looks like a big
old blob. Poltergeist will often look like that before, mostly
because they don't know what a shape is, so they'll
just be a big black blob. Non Fully manifested spirits

(44:58):
may sometimes look like that, especially if they're you know,
one of those like black on black type things. I
have seen full bodied apparitions that I thought were real
people until they were suddenly not there. So yeah, and
I've seen a pair of legs walk by me.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Without a body and in a basement in the hotel.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yes, exactly. You know. It all depends on how much
energy they have and what they're trying to do.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
I think it makes a difference to thinking of that
now that you're talking going in this direction. I think
it makes a difference too as to whether it's a
residual type of energy that's there that that doesn't have
the ability it's never going to manifitt like that pair
of legs might just be something residual down there that
just you're always going to see it as a pair
of legs versus something intelligent that's coming back trying to

(45:56):
make contact with a loved one, or trying to make
contact with somebody who they like their energy or or that,
you know, like we've talked about many times, spirits feel
lost and they look and they see a white light,
you know, and they gravitate towards that white light, and
that white light is somebody on this side who has abilities,
and so they reach out to that person, you know,

(46:17):
can you help me type of thing. But in that
in that type of situation, they're not going to show
themselves in like some traumatic death state. I don't think.
I think they would show themselves as a like how
they want to be seen, like at the at a
good time in their life, because they're asking for help,
not trying to scare you exactly.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
So yeah, the answer to all those questions is yes.
So there you go. Hope that narrated down for you.

Speaker 4 (46:48):
So all right?

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Saw a blue spirit for starters. I'm a nineteen year
old female. One night I woke up from a sound
sleep and saw a blue outlined man and corner of
my room. There's the corner again.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
He was leaning against the wall, just watching me. Might
I add he was tall and well built. When I
saw him, I felt calm, warm and safe. I smiled
at him, rolled over and went back to sleep, because
who wouldn't. It's been almost one year now and I
never saw him again. I wish to see him again
and feel the same piece I felt that day. Any

(47:25):
idea what he was and how can I feel this
presence again? You are going down a slippery slope, my dear,
let's skip the hole. I want to feel that again
type thing, because you're just asking for trouble.

Speaker 4 (47:43):
That's why I picked this one. We haven't had a
good one like this in a while.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
So yeah, so this is like the leader to where
I'm gonna like get a wheezie board to see if
I can contact him exact don't he showed himself to
you for a particular specific reason. What he was I
don't know. It could have been your guardian angel, could
have been one of your spirit guys, could have been

(48:07):
one of your I want to say ancestors, but you know,
one of your deceased family loved ones. But I honestly,
as hard as that is, and I completely understand why
you want, like why you would want to feel that again,
who wouldn't, Yeah, I mean there is not, especially in

(48:28):
this day and age, there is not a lot of
times when people can wake up and feel a sense
of peace. It's always stress and frustration and where do
I go now? And you know, schedules and so to
be able to wake up and feel a sense of
peace is an aphrodisiac almost. It's just something you just

(48:50):
have to feel again. And I get that, but don't
go searching for it because what you may find is
going to be the complete op So just just take
it for the experience, the amazing experience that it was.
And I have a feeling and I don't know what

(49:10):
was going on in your life at the time. You
did say you woke up from a sound sleep, so
maybe nothing too traumatic was going on, although you were nineteen,
so I'm assuming something traumatic was going on. But just
know that he's probably there and he is watching out
for you. And if for whatever reason, you need another
dose of that, like you need one, not that you

(49:34):
want one, need one, I have no doubt that he
will probably show up again.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
Yeah, I would agree.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
But yeah, that's that's my answer to that one.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Yeah, I'm on the same page as you on that one.
The only thing that throws me there is a blue spirit.
What that's a scene of question as well, like what's
the blue aura?

Speaker 3 (49:57):
Never gonna hit the highway?

Speaker 4 (49:59):
But and yeah, I will say, you know, I have
seen like when I was younger, when I was a
little kid, I was sick quite a bit, and I
had really bad bronchitis, and like I would have these
really bad fevers and whatnot. And I remember one night
I was just miserable and I looked, I couldn't fall asleep,
and I all of a sudden felt like a big,

(50:22):
warm hug, you know. And I looked and there was
a lady sitting at the foot of my bed was
a dresser like a long boy, a low boy long dresser,
and she was sitting on my dresser and she was
like from the forties or maybe even early fifties, but
I would say probably forties. And she had like a

(50:42):
candy striper outfit on, and she had her hair was
done really nice and you know, very beautiful, and make
up red lipstick, and she had her nurse outfit on,
and she had like a clipboard and she was just
taking notes and wasn't really paying attention to me. And
I looked at her, and after staring at her for
a couple seconds, then she looked up and looked at me,

(51:03):
and she smiled, and I was like, Okay, that's pretty cool,
you know, And everything in my room felt great, and
I fell back asleep, and the next morning I woke
up and I wasn't sick. You know, Guardian Angel, I
don't know, protect her something, especially with the shit I

(51:23):
grew up in. So that was one of the good
stories I can share from my childhood experiences with a
supernatural type of presence. All right, So green light filled
in my living room. I love this, Hi, guys. My
husband and I recently bought a house in nineteen oh four.
The other day, I was sitting at my dining room
table and I was chatting with my husband, who was
sitting on the couch in the living room across from me.

(51:46):
All the windows were covered by blackout curtains, and it
was about eight o'clock at night. I turned my head
to look at my plants when all of a sudden,
a bright green teal light literally scanned my room from
left to right in like two seconds. It was so
bright it hurt my eyes for a bit afterwards, and
I could feel low vibrations from it, kind of like

(52:06):
what you used to feel when an older TV seconds
turned on. And if nobody knows what that feels like,
people my generation knows what that feels like. There's a
definite energy hum when a TV turns on an old
council TV. For contexts, there are no overhead lights that
blew out or anything like that. My husband was looking
at me at the time and said the light looked

(52:26):
like it was scanning me and then disappeared. The most
alarming part was there weren't any windows that the light
could have come from. It definitely felt like an energy
was there one second and gone the next. At the time,
we had just stopped teasing our son about crampus. My
mother in law used to yell at us for teasing
him about it. She passed away a few years ago

(52:46):
and we joked that she came down to scold us.
Since that happened, we have heard footsteps on the stairs
and lights on the stairwell turn off and on throughout
the night. I want to say it's nothing, but this
happened right in front of our faces when we were
both wide awake. Any thoughts would be appreciated. So I've
got two different avenues that thought here. So I'm gonna

(53:10):
give you my first one, and probably the most logical
one is because she said that they've been teasing their
son about crampis, And first of all, shame on you,
But secondly, you know that getting away from the parental
mentality there, So my mother in law used to yell
at us for teasing about him. Right, So, I will

(53:31):
tell you. I can't tell you how many times I
have been in a situation where I saw the funkiest
green flash of light and I've tried to describe it,
and Mike knows what I'm talking about. It happened at
the cemetery, it happened at the basement at the restaurant.
You know, I see this flash of light and it's
this funky almost like an old flash bulb would be,

(53:54):
like back in the day when you had to actually
put the flash bulb in like the big reflector plate
to shoot it forward. Except it's this greenish almost like
monster energy green, but it's not so a bright green
teal kind of would be how I would describe it too.

(54:14):
But it never scans the room. It literally just comes
in and then it's just there and then there's a
presence there, and that's happened every time there's been a
spirit right there. It's almost like when they come through
and they're coming back into our room, that there's some
sort of energy transference and that's what that green light is,
and that's what it looks like, and that's what I
see anyway. So I don't know that it was a scan,

(54:39):
so I'm not going to go there yet. So I
think that this green light could have been the presence
of your mother in law coming back into the house,
and that could have been her energy kind of moving
from wherever she was back to where you are, and
that energy transference as she's going through the curtain made
that greenish blue teal light and then she was there,

(55:00):
and maybe that's her messing with you on the staircase
as her way of paying you back and not letting
you sleep well by turning the lights on and off
and footsteps up and on the staircase. Maybe she's doing
that is like her way of punishing you for teasing
your son. Okay, her grandson, all right, So that's one
side of it. The other thought of it is that

(55:26):
it could be UFO related, only because and the only
reason I think this at all is because the husband
said it looked like it scanned her from where he
was sitting. Now, when I see that green light come
in and the spirit appears, it doesn't scan me. You know,

(55:48):
it's bright, so it's bright, so in pitch dark you
could see it clearly, and you get that flashbulb in
your eyes for a couple seconds afterwards, but it doesn't
scan you. And they both said it scanned left to
right for a couple of seconds. The only thing that
my mind goes to there is some sort of alien presence.

(56:11):
So I'll let you have it for the rest of
the till we get to eight o'clock. The rest of
the moments, the rest of the five minutes. I spent
five minutes on it, you can have the next.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Five great, I don't. I don't especially have five minutes
of stuff, okay, because the next one's.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
Good too, then, so we could just move on to
that one if you want.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Hold on, I have already yet. I mean you know
there was another one. Yeah, oh yeah, that's gonna take
away more than four minutes. So I honestly on the
same same path as you, although I did not. I

(56:54):
don't exactly think that it's the grandmother. What I kind
of went too was maybe a former homeowner, you know,
that that moved out or got put into a home
or something that passed away, and that was their spirit
coming back, like their choice of where they wanted to be,

(57:15):
and that was the house you know that maybe they
spent the whole thirty forty years in or whatnot. That
maybe that was them coming back. I don't know why
I never go alien unless the story literally is like

(57:36):
I floated above my bed and out the window.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Yeah, like that Manhattan thing we're going to do next year.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Sure, but that but that makes sense, you know, with
the whole left right part of it. It's not just
a flash, it's a movement. Yeah, trying to I don't
find her find if there's somebody in the house that

(58:06):
gets into whatever it is they're scanning for. I mean,
if they're in their little invisibility suits or whatever and
they scan whatever it is that they're using the scan,
I mean, it's gonna look like it comes out of nowhere.
So that's like question number seven for Sina. Uh when

(58:31):
when we when we bring her on? So yeah, right
now we're not even heading in the direction of the
highway to cannot on our main topic, so we're lost.
So the first half hour of the next hour it's

(58:52):
going to be her answering the questions came up with
during stories, and then the last half will be actual
crop circles.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
Yeah probably.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
Okay, Well, for the last ten minutes scene has been
sitting in our backstage area, so string her on. So
all right, ladies and gentlemen, when Dave decides to take
a day off, which is often you you see, you
see this wonderful woman joining me as a special guest

(59:25):
co host like she did last week, and she's back
now to regale us with more answers of the other side.
Ladies and gentlemen, miss seen the Dyke's.

Speaker 6 (59:34):
Men, Hi, guys, Happily birthday, Thank you very much. Did
you enjoy your time off?

Speaker 4 (59:44):
I did, Yeah, I did. I had very nice, nice, relaxing,
good meal.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
It was very it was a nice time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sweet.

Speaker 7 (59:53):
All right.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Well, as you may or may not know, Sina, during
the course of our stories, we came across several instances
of stuff we need some clarification on, okay, And so
naturally we're going to take this opportunity to in fact,
from now on, starting in the new year, David and

(01:00:16):
I are just going to have you in the background
like every episode. So yeah, I'll send you the link
and you just sit back there and if we need
clarification on, pull your right in and you can answer that,
and then we'll put you in the background.

Speaker 7 (01:00:32):
Again.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
That's great problem, not a not a burden on your
life at all.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
No, she's got nothing better to do for two hours
on Sunday mornings. A cup of coffee.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Sure, yeah, okay, So I think I think the first
one that we had was it the allergies? Was that
the first one? Yeah, that was the cat story. So uh,
Dave gave an answer to whether cats the question was

(01:01:10):
do cats protect us from ghosts? I of course took
a no stance. I actually don't my cats. I just
love making fun of them. But Dave brought up like
may because the story was that a woman was saying

(01:01:30):
she was she had had many experiences with ghosts until
she got a bunch of rescue cats and then everything stopped.
So Dave made the made the remark that maybe the
ghosts had cat allergies. So our question is do because
I know that people keep their like characteristic type traits

(01:01:54):
and sometimes they you know, like if you're at a
sanatorium or something like that, you'll see a ghosts that
looks like they're sickly and stuff like that. Do they
keep such things like allergies and diseases?

Speaker 6 (01:02:09):
No, Nope, that's all human stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
No, would they know enough to not to know that
they don't have that allergy anymore?

Speaker 6 (01:02:21):
Yes, because a reaction, it's a reaction to a human experience. Actually,
anytime you have allergies, that's actually something that happened to you.
It's a trauma of something that happened to you in
this lifetime, whether it was a child or adult, and

(01:02:41):
you the fear causes allergies.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
So people who go into like anaphylectic shock when they
eat nuts.

Speaker 6 (01:02:50):
That it's because their mother probably told them careful and
chew that or you gonna choke on it. Literally, that's
all it takes. And as a child you forget. As
a child, you are still developing coping skills, so they
take things three times as hard, so that's traumatic to them.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Interesting. Okay, well ask your question, Dave. What was the
next one?

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Yeah, I just want to point out that that was
not my action. That was my sarcastic remark. My actual
remark was that the cats fill the void in her
life and that what she thought was paranormal experiences probably
was not paranormal experiences at all. And I think that
when you get any type of pet you focus on,
your focus becomes more love and completes you, and you

(01:03:36):
have more wholeness than what she, you know, was running
around paralyzed in fear. Was the quote that they did.

Speaker 6 (01:03:46):
Well, Actually, if you't mind add cats are very interdimensional,
so they will see if you have pets, they'll they'll
follow any kind of a spirit or ghost that's in
the home. They'll look at the wall and start following it,
so they'll tell you if there's something there. Cats. Again,
cats are interdimensional, so they'll see even with I had
I think I talked about it, I think on the

(01:04:06):
last show. But one of my clients actually had talked
to me about her cat have steered at the wall
and he was actually seeing. She had a town home
and I told her, says, you've got so you live
in a town home. I said that the connecting wall
isn't She goes yeah. I says, there's a lot of
anger over there. They're fighting a lot. She goes yeah,

(01:04:27):
And he says, well, there's a black hole created there
and in your cat starting to see it, and it's
the flicker's starting to open from the other side because
they're causing because it's negative energy. So the cats will
follow a lot of that. The dog will see ghosts.
You know, there's a dog, So that's usually it's not
that it scares them off or mix a humor. And
yet if if there actually was paranormal activity, animals do protect,

(01:04:51):
but they also will pointed out if there's something there.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
It was my contention seeing that the cats a competition.
Oh and so they weren't they weren't protecting the human.
They're protecting themselves and their investment in the human.

Speaker 6 (01:05:08):
Oh, territorial. Oh, I see, very territorial. Yes, got it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:13):
That made the most sense to me.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Well, that's why you went with the allergy, Dave. You
didn't have anything.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
Left exactly right. That's all I can read for was theology.
All right? So before I get into my question, now,
I have to ask the wall in the town home,
if their negativity starts seeping through, is that potentially going
to affect the client that has nothing to do with it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
Yes, And that's why I told her. I told her
how to protect it. I told her what stone she
had to put there, and a cleansing so if she
has sage, to use white leaf or loosely sage and
sage that that wall. And then also put crystals to
more or less gridded so income in. But also put
the blackstones, anything like hematite or termolin especially. You put

(01:06:05):
her on there, and that keeps at any negativity, gotcha,
all right?

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
So we had a story where a young lady woke
up from deep sleep and saw a blue outlined man
in the corner of her room. He was leaning against
the wall, just watching me. And then she said, might
I add he was tall and well built, which means
to me she saw him pretty clearly. When I saw him,

(01:06:30):
I felt calm, warm and safe. I smiled at him,
rolled over and went back to sleep. So my question is,
I have seen a lot of spirits in my lifetime.
I have never seen one that has a blue outline
to it. Is that what?

Speaker 7 (01:06:44):
What?

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
What would you say that that kind of signifies? Or
is there some sort of special thing that a blue
outline would be?

Speaker 6 (01:06:52):
Time traveler?

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
I did not see that one coming.

Speaker 6 (01:06:58):
Yeah, those are time travelers, time travelers, or they can
actually be higher spiritual beings as well. Coming in.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
Who's the blue that's associated with one of the archangels?
Is it one of the archangels? Like their blue is
their color?

Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
I do not recall No, No, I see them all
as white lights, So okay, I don't have any of
the colors that go with them.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
Well, why would she feel calm and collected and they
from a time traveler showing up? Because the calming effect.

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
Of that that he wasn't there too. Because she's probably
an impath, so she can feel energy. So if everybody's
an impath, everyone's the psychic. So if most people do
have clarcentians, which is reading, they can read energy, they
read people, and so she read his energy. It was very.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Calm, okay, and she would do the scanning. But yeah,
you were there for Sina, So you're in the backstage.
I don't know if you're listening, but did you hear
that story about the lady who got scanned in her house?

Speaker 6 (01:08:03):
A little bit? I guess she came in at the
last part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
Okay. So every time that I have seen a spirit
manifest in front of me, I have seen a very
funky green To me, it looks like an electrical bolt,
like a and then it's it almost looks like the
monster energy drinkering, but it's not, but it's in that realm.

(01:08:30):
And so for her describe it as a green teal
light kind of resonated with me as far as like
that's the entry of a spirit into into your space.
But she said that she and her husband saw it,
and her husband said too that it was a scan
that literally went from left to right and lasted a

(01:08:50):
couple of seconds. And I, to me, that sounds totally
different than what I've experienced. So it wouldn't be a
spirit that would scan you, right, I mean, as pirit,
it's not going to scan you so would that be
like an alien type of situation.

Speaker 6 (01:09:06):
Alien yep, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:09:11):
Mike said he didn't go with UFO. I went with UFO.

Speaker 6 (01:09:14):
Yeah, there's because there has specific I mean, they have
the technology that we're not even close to yet, you know,
so they'll come in and whether it's their type of
scanning gun or anything that they use, that's what they use.
So everything is vibration, so they use a higher actually
a lot of the technology they use as a higher

(01:09:34):
vibration than what we have here on Earth that we
use it. That's why when they find a spacecraft that
has been they're crashed, and that's usually because that's actually
caused by you know, if you ever see a the FYI,
when they do actually crash, because they are very high
sophisticated technology, it only ends up crashing because when we

(01:09:58):
have electric storms, it interferes with their frequencies. And that's
the only reason that they do end up crashing. Otherwise
they never would have. But it's always a storm, some
kind of a storm that actually interferes with her. So
but when they crash, they you know, they go out
and they looked at the wreckage and they find that

(01:10:19):
that their metals that they use is so beyond ours,
and that's it could yes, because they vibrate at a
different frequency than we do, and so it's a very high,
high vibration that's completely beyond what we have here.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
See, So hold that thought for a second, because I
got a question based off of that. So I thought
it interesting too that she said that it hurt her
eyes a little bit after, But she said, I could
feel low vibrations from it, kind of like what you
could feel when an older council TV secuts turned on.
Do you remember that feeling like when you when you

(01:10:55):
pull the knob forward right and and and for well
the tube was warming up, you would feel you could
feel that right like as a kid. I remember that
I could feel that energy. I never understood what it was,
but I could feel that as that tube was starting
to warm up before the picture started. And I find
that interesting that she said that, So that almost kind

(01:11:16):
of makes sense that while she described it as low energy,
that could just be a low vibration. That could just
be a misinterpretation. It could have been a high vibration
that happened while the scan was happening. But she felt
the energy in the room right okay, okay, So now
that brings me back to your thought on vibration levels.

(01:11:37):
So one of the best clips that I've seen on
any of the shows on TV was out at the ranch,
right at Skinwalker Ranch, and when the helicopter caught the
orb kind of coming in on the flight path and
then it disappears, It goes into the Mesa on one
side and comes out to Mesa on the other. And
for some reason, my immediate thought was, well, the vibration

(01:12:01):
level of that craft. We see that as solid rock.
That makes us a solid piece of rock, But for
this probe or whatever it was, it could be at
a different vibration level where that isn't solid rock to them.
And so there, while we think, well, how could that
possibly go through that rock, that's irrelevant because the rock
isn't there to them, or it's or it's a material

(01:12:23):
that for them they can traverse through it with no
issue whatsoever.

Speaker 6 (01:12:27):
Something there, everything is well, it's okay. As humans we
think everything's solid. It is not. Everything vibrates. Everything is
energy frequency vibration. So nothing is solid. And you said
you thought that the rock was solid, It's not solid.
They call the vibration level at that and they can
go through it because they know the vibration, they can

(01:12:48):
eitherly either equal it or vibrate it where they can
pass through it and not move any of that that
vibration level of that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
That's what I thought. So there's really nothing that would
stop like an alien probe with their technology and the ability,
other than a bad electrical storm. I mean, they could fly,
you know, when you see them flying to the side
of a mountain like Mount McKinley, right where everybody thinks
there's a base inside Mount McKinley. When they when you

(01:13:17):
see them fly and they just disappear into the mountain,
they're literally flying into the mountain.

Speaker 6 (01:13:22):
Correct, Okay, yeah, but they also they can they also
can do mind control, so it's where they will hold
times still as well, so people can't see where they go. Okay,
they're very again highly you know, it's it's just like

(01:13:43):
the aliens we have here, you know, seriously, I mean
we're mind controlled all the time, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:49):
It just.

Speaker 6 (01:13:51):
You don't realize it, you know, I thought them doesn't
realize that you're you know, it's men in black. You're
being mind controlled all the time, so you only seeing
what they want you to see.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
So saying that we don't have free will to.

Speaker 6 (01:14:05):
A certain extent, don't worry, Dave.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
Scene and I destroyed free will like a couple of
weeks ago, because apparently the universe can just change whatever
it wants and makes you go, make you do anything
it wants you to do. So apparently free will is
a myth.

Speaker 6 (01:14:25):
To a certain extent. You have free will. You come
here for lessons, but you have things that you're supposed
to be learning. But this is also a big science project,
so when they get tired of the science project, they
can do whatever they want.

Speaker 4 (01:14:41):
So it's just a big ant firm pretty much.

Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Well it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:14:47):
That doesn't drop my self esteem or like my enjoy
of being alive at all.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
I'm telling telling you, Dave, you got to listen to
some of the shows that Seene and I have done.
No entire outlook on life will be one disastrous turn
after another.

Speaker 4 (01:15:04):
I don't want that, Thank you though.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Did we have any other questions after that?

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
No, I don't think so. I think that was the
uf whether it was a UFO or whether it was
the Grandma's energy kind of coming back, and then the
blue spirit and then cats are protectors.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
I think that was it, right, Sure, I'm sure there
was another one, but that's all right, all right?

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
Or did we want where we're going to talk about?
Did you have a question about the lady that got
touched on the waist? I didn't, But did you say something? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
Okay, I thought I thought about it the whole Oh no,
The only thing about that was was when I, uh, if.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
You thought it was her coming back from the future.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Sure, yes, that that I said, simply to annoy you.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
Yeah, which you did, so success, mister ncomomists.

Speaker 7 (01:16:12):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:14):
So obviously, seeing in the topic that we brought on
the main topic, which we have already warned our listeners,
that will probably only hit maybe twelve minutes, and then
we'll be off on other tangents as as always happens.
So I guess I'm just gonna start with the most

(01:16:37):
generic and pointed question out there which we'll get the
ball rolling. So answer, to the best of your ability,
what are crop circles?

Speaker 6 (01:16:47):
Also from their frequencies from aliens from either starships or
they're giving sending messages, A lot of it can be
them giving us messages to help us through things instead
of continually. We've had the reset buttons so many times
to restart, and they're trying to help us as they

(01:17:07):
give us clues, but those are made from high frequency.
They're generated from their their spacecraft. But it's a mind
control that they mind control their spaceships, and so it
can be the frequency that their spaceship is running at,
or it can be what they're beaming down as a
message to give the humans to help them. It's actually geometrical, mathematical, yeah,

(01:17:37):
circumference of designs that they it's actually they're talking to
us because that's the only way they talk is in
geometrical and mathematical symbols. But it's hard for them to
mind link with us. It's just for such again, a
lower vibration. It's really hard for them to mind link
with us to talk.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Do do you have anywhere you want to go with that?

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
Or yeah? So if if what they're trying, and I
totally get it with the whole just because of the
preciseness of crop circles, you know, and and the designs
and how some of them are so intricate, you know,
and just so precise. So why are we having such

(01:18:27):
a hard time with understanding what those geological kind of
symbols represent, like why aren't we able to interpret them
and somehow do our own crop circle as an answer,

(01:18:48):
let's say, right, let's do a visual response.

Speaker 6 (01:18:51):
They are now that's how they're understanding their understanding now
that they are actually geometrical forms that are in when
you use a mathematical equation. One of them actually showed
that it actually is pi, and so it's it's symbols
actually signifying and that's how they talk then, and so
it's it's learning their mathematical that all these equations when

(01:19:12):
they when they when you start putting it into mathematical terms,
then you start learning. You have to learn their code.
Once you learn that code, then then you can learn
how they're talking to us.

Speaker 4 (01:19:25):
And what do you think those transmissions of talking to
us are?

Speaker 6 (01:19:30):
Again questions a mesterology.

Speaker 4 (01:19:33):
That we're supposed to have, I mean, what would they be?

Speaker 6 (01:19:35):
Yeah, just trying to help us not make the continue
to making the same mistakes again, trying to help us out,
giving us little nudges on. Don't you know this is
just a lot of you know, we have a lot
of questions, but it's more of trying to help in
a good way, not a bad way to where we
blow ourselves up because they've given us too much information.
Just kind of give us lit here and there, given
us nudges on, here's some more information, you know, and

(01:19:58):
then we have to decode it and then apply it.

Speaker 8 (01:20:05):
Okay, I figure out how to phrase this properly. Son,
percent of the entire Earth is either a not going
to know that they exist, you know, other than social
media and newspapers and stuff like that, and so they

(01:20:30):
won't know that it exists, or two won't even know
that there are anything other than landscape art. I mean,
that's pretty much what they're called now.

Speaker 3 (01:20:41):
So these geometric forms, these mathematical equations, they're meant for
some They've got to be meant for somebody specific, Like
I would think that any extraterrestrial that is doing this
is going to know that most people are aren't going
to understand it. And so who are they like specifically

(01:21:08):
meant for? And why I guess why are they put
where they are?

Speaker 5 (01:21:17):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
I mean I know the end.

Speaker 6 (01:21:21):
They don't want them hidden. For one, I'm going to
ask your last question. First, they put them in obvious
like crops because they want you to. They want to
be noticed, they want you to see them. If they
put them in a forest, you're not gonna be able
to ever see them, and so they need to put
them in an open field where they're seen, but they're
also there. It's it's never a secret when these are
When these show up, it's televised. It's it's not like

(01:21:45):
somebody's going to keep it to themselves. Oh no, they
literally put it out there like, hey, we just got
another crop circle here. It's they're all over the world
and they're very well known, every one of them. And
what happens with them. It's not just like, okay, so
their crop circles. It's not that they stay there permanently.
It's actually very interesting. They all have.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Time limits.

Speaker 6 (01:22:10):
No, they just where they grow up is actually better.
It's actually more flourished. It's very The nutrients in there
is actually better, and it grows better where that crop
circle ended up being just where that the impression of
that that design is they show you at time and
time again that actually it grows better right where that
part is, right where that they have all of those

(01:22:31):
objects that they have designed through communication that literally it's
more greener luscious and they've actually taken and they've actually
pulled some aspecimens and pieces of that and taken them
out and put it in other fields or in they
do them in the lab normally. But it literally helps
everything grow, you know that that's added to it's it's

(01:22:55):
it's phenomenal of how much nutrients are in that. It's
just everything grows better and those areas. But it does
grow up. It's not like it's permanently set down, because
all it is it's laid down. It doesn't it's not
never broken.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
It's always folded over.

Speaker 6 (01:23:09):
It's always folded over, so they never break it. But
then it's always really good. You know, once it is,
it grows up much better. It's always luscious and green
and very you know, it's got a really good I mean,
it's like it's been.

Speaker 3 (01:23:25):
At least.

Speaker 6 (01:23:27):
I don't want to use a negative term because that's
when you use fertilized, you're putting in an attitude that
shouldn't be on it. It's just it's they just have
it that's very flourishing and healthy.

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
So then what about the instances where people have seen
like a UFO touched down and like where it made
contact with the earth. Nothing has ever grown back in
those spots. What would be the difference between a crop
circle trying to teach us something versus a craft landing

(01:24:03):
like after an animal mutilation, let's say, and the craft
lands in the field and then they go out there
and like five years later though where the kind of
the dimensions of the pads, like the landing pads are,
nothing still.

Speaker 6 (01:24:17):
Grows that because the craft itself when it does land,
that's at a different frequency or can be damaging. When
they're leaving impressions like that, they're not landing. They're actually
like using almost like a laser, but there are right right,
they're just projecting down onto that. So they're never landing

(01:24:38):
in the crop. They're projecting down. And so that's why
because that again, their frequencies are so high, and so
when they're doing mind control, that that spaceship that they're
using is vibrating at that frequency. Our again, our land
can't take that, you know, the human world never never

(01:24:59):
vibrates that level, and so that's why it burns and
nothing can else can ever come back from that, because.

Speaker 4 (01:25:06):
Is there any way like if you took a sample
out of there, is there any way that you could
find like a path to understanding their frequency by taking
like a sample of the Earth from that like a
spot like that where they've touched the Earth physically.

Speaker 6 (01:25:23):
Only if they had machines that could measure that high
of a frequency understanding.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
It, okay, And we don't have that technology yet.

Speaker 6 (01:25:34):
They're not going to tell us that they do. NASA,
they've done it. The government has pretty much everything. They're
just not going to tell us, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
So as far as we know, they don't have it yet.

Speaker 6 (01:25:44):
Yeah, Yeah, they won't give it to the Yeah, the
humans of you know, any normal person that's not in
NASA or not in the government. They're not going to
tell you. It's all in the books. But yeah, they
have that's why they have the spacecraft. And they've done
you know, they've taken the aliens that have died here
and they dissected them, you know, and some of them live,
you know, they live among us, and they use them

(01:26:04):
in the government as well. You know, there's some of
they have survived and they talk with them and they
come back and communicate all the time. So they do
give us information that's just other ones they you know,
they try to give us messages as well, that way,
using them in more of a code form to help us.

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
Right. So on the same path of thought, when an
animal mutilation happens, and I am of the thought that
especially because when you come in there and you take
a look at it, and it happened in a snowy field,
there's not a drop of blood, there's no footprints, there's
no predator tracks, there's no car tracks, and there's this

(01:26:47):
you know, two thousand pounds bowl missing. It surgically removed
an eye, his testicles, and his privates, you know, part
of his ear, you know, the side of his face, right,
like these laser cuts and they remove something that's not
my question, that's just painting the picture. My question is

(01:27:08):
why do those animals never ever get touched by scavengers?
Because everyone that I've seen that I think is a
legitimate like cattle mutilation type of thing, that that animal
never gets like, nothing comes and feeds on it. And
when in areas like that where there's packs of coyotes
and wolves and other little scavengers, that thing would be eaten.

(01:27:31):
That would be a gourmet feast on a normal day,
you know, for a lot of animals.

Speaker 6 (01:27:36):
Because they don't tell you there's radiation all over it.
Anytime a nale gets used, the radiation near it. That
those crop circles all have radiation readings around them. Yeah,
and so an animal will not touch that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
So they can sense the fact that that something weird
is going on with that bowl. And they're like, uh no, yep, Okay,
what you got Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
I was just going to say that you didn't really
answer the question as to who exactly are these uh
like circles put there for.

Speaker 6 (01:28:18):
It for the humans to give the Like I said,
I'd give more of a kick in the butget try
to give them some information that's needed to help them
to survive this lifetime, right, No, get.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
I get that, But like I said, like ninety nine
point nine percent of the world isn't going to know that.
So I mean it's got to be meant for somebody
specific that has the abilities in the knowledge in their
head already that is going to be able to decipher them.
Otherwise this complete waste of time.

Speaker 6 (01:28:54):
And they have to know that, Okay. So we do
have scientists that have deciphered them. But being that okay,
and so they have come out and this is how
they actually have explained that these are geographically formed to
and mathematically like circular, and then they have an angle.

(01:29:15):
There's a reason that their angle like there's going to
a circle and then it has cut off all of
a sudden and goes into another because that is actually
a code and they're able to decipher that. But the
reason so it's specific people that can that can project,
you know, a geometric design, but mathematically lay it out

(01:29:39):
and then read that code. But they put those crops
there in human view not and they put them all
over to bring everybody's attention to it. So whoever deciphers
that will tell those people. And it's like you need
to be telling these people this information or not. Don't
keep it a secret. We have put this out there
for people to know. And so when they bring that,

(01:30:02):
shoot those and you can go on YouTube. This is
actually I'll just tell you that right now. A lot
of this is on YouTube that they've deciphered it and
how they've deciphered them. It's not that they're keeping it
a secret efforts versus that's certain people. Yes, that they're
ones that are very good at mathematical designs and geometrics

(01:30:22):
will be able to read this, but they also don't
keep it to themselves. They do explain it, so it's
for the people, but it's for of course people that
you know, to decipher it. It has to have somebody
that's got a mathematical and geometrical, metrical mind that understands this.
But they do tell the people. It's not keeping it
just to those people, not just for those people. They

(01:30:45):
put these signs and these messages for everybody to see.
There's a reason it's out there in every all over
the world in plane view.

Speaker 4 (01:30:58):
So why can't they dummy down the message so that
the mass populace would be have at least some baby
steps to understanding what it means. Because I get what
you're saying, but I've done a ton of research on
crop circles, and the only publicity that makes it to

(01:31:25):
the general airwaves, whether it be a television network or
whether it be a major newspaper, the only things that
I have seen are the fact that they're hoaxes, that
they're downplaying it, and that they're trying to say that
they've got two yokels out of some English pub that

(01:31:45):
were drunk that said.

Speaker 9 (01:31:47):
Oh well, Willie and I went out there last night
with a couple of boards, and we were just messing
around and we made this you know, this thing bullshit.

Speaker 4 (01:31:58):
They did not go out there and make that.

Speaker 6 (01:31:59):
So I can't there.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
I'm just saying, So why, like I don't remember, you know,
I've been on round on a planet for a while.
I mean, I don't remember ever seeing like a television
program like on the five o'clock news say, uh, there's
a new crop circle in Australia and after interpretation, this

(01:32:23):
is what it means. You know what I'm saying. I mean,
you follow me? Why why are we not? Why are
we not having disclosure of something like that? If the
intention is for the aliens to pass knowledge to all
of us?

Speaker 6 (01:32:39):
Okay, how much how much control does the government have?

Speaker 4 (01:32:43):
Well, I would say better.

Speaker 6 (01:32:45):
Than ninety percent my rest my case.

Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
Okay, so you have to go to independent channels like
YouTube then and dig around to find what you're looking for. Correct.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
Okay, So then how do you tell the difference between
hoaxes and real because you, as they've said about those two,
those two guys who you know, decided to go out
and create these things. You know, they've been giving credit
for like two hundred different instances of crop circles. You know,

(01:33:25):
they would travel around and they would do all these
They even brought them out and they showed the world
that this is how they do it, you know. So
and when that came out, then you had copycats other
people who thought that it would be fun in order
to do that. And it's the same in the paranormal,

(01:33:46):
like in the supernatural thing of YouTube that's filled with
all kinds of hoaxes and misidentifications and people just looking
for their fifteen minutes of fame or to get a
TV show themselves or whatever. And Dave and I have
talked about this before. From that aspect of things is
how do you tell the difference between hoaxes and the.

Speaker 6 (01:34:06):
Real You can't bend a crop in the exact position
every time by just walking with a board. You also
will leave a footprint somewhere. There's no footprints left. When
it rains, there is no foot When it rains, you
will leave a football. You will see it. You can't
get away from the rain. The rain shows everything. And

(01:34:28):
so once it rains or the moisture there, it shows
a foot print. Because when they're doing a board, there's
one foot on the board. There's one foot on the
ground and they're walking it. There's never a footprint shown. Also,
there's radiation around them. Whether you do carry a radiation
and expose themselves, they're gonna get sick.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
And then there's else a path in too.

Speaker 4 (01:34:50):
Like what people don't understand right when you when you
grow crops, especially like wheat, that they're they're planted so tight.
It's not like walking in between a corn row. You know,
where you can do that as a human, like a
wheat field or grain any type of green field that
stuff grows like what you know, a quarter of an
inch apart or something maybe Like you can't walk into

(01:35:11):
one of those fields as a human and not leave
some sort of sign that a human walked in there. Yeah,
I mean, the same thing is with you know, with
the cattle mutilations. You know that the rancher discovers you know,
the bowl in the field. There's snow, there was fresh snow.
The bull was fine yesterday today it's laying there in

(01:35:32):
the state I described earlier. No tire tracks, no foot tracks,
no predator tracks, no blood Right, you know, how the
hell do you drain forty liters of blood out of
a twenty six hundred pound bull and not leave a drop.
Well that's because obviously the bull was not dissected at
that location, it was just dropped there afterwards. So that's

(01:35:58):
my theory anyway true.

Speaker 6 (01:36:00):
But I mean to you know, to error is human.
They're gonna show you know, it's gonna it's gonna show something.
They can't have it. It can't be perfect. There's no
way that you can walk and have a perfect you know,
with no breaking anything. And it's just literally bending in
the in the what they call the elbow of the
of all those crops, you can't and that's exactly how

(01:36:22):
they are. They are formed by the just and the
elbow of them. It even shows that it actually increased
after that, the crop circle, that that elbow of that
of those stocks actually increased and it healed itself and
grew back even better. So if if it was actually,
you know, done by a human, it's not gonna make

(01:36:44):
it better. It's gonna actually kill it. You know, you're
gonna damage the plant, right.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
Okay, So here's the next place I'm gonna go. So
the very first crop circle was written in a story
called The Mowing Devil in sixteen seventy eight was the
first story of a crop circle formation, and then we

(01:37:12):
really didn't hear much throughout like the next two hundred years.
And then for some reason, in like the nineteen seventies
and the nineteen eighty they exploded, most of which in England.
So I mean, and since then it's gotten, it's expanded.
As you said, they're all over the world. They're in Australia,

(01:37:34):
they're here in the United States. In fact, I've read
a story from July this year that one had formed
in I think Nebraska or something like that. So my
question is are these like I guess I'm answering my

(01:37:56):
own question in my hand, So give me a second year. So,
I mean, you and I have talked before and argued
naturally about the time difference. There's certain times in which
they'll give us this information, and so is that what
we're seeing, Like it was like an experiment back in

(01:38:19):
the sixteen hundreds, or maybe that was just a story
and had no basis in reality whatsoever. And then in
like nineteen seventy maybe some people add the knowledge to
decipher certain ones, or was another attempt to try to
get this information across and failed, And then we had

(01:38:39):
another one, like they expanded their stuff from England to
around the world to see what they could get, Like,
are these just experiments to see if we can comprehend
what they're trying to say?

Speaker 6 (01:38:51):
No other messages.

Speaker 4 (01:38:53):
I understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:38:53):
The messages, but like I said before, almost nobody can
decipher them. Nobody even knows to try. So, I mean,
sending a message in nineteen seventy that nobody in that
in the entire world has the ability to cipher is
kind of a waste of time. And I would think
that they would know that. So I'm just curious.

Speaker 6 (01:39:18):
But there were people at those times. They just didn't
know what they were looking for. You have Nicholas Tesla,
who is highly intelligent, definitely could have figured it out.
It's just that it wasn't sometimes getting to the right
person at those times. They didn't have TV, they didn't
have you know, it wasn't televised as much, and so
possibly where they and you know, they started the crop circles,

(01:39:39):
they didn't have the right people there to decode them,
and so they started expanding more, you know, getting it
out there. I mean, we've got you know, so much
hoblessly it's ridiculous. Now, can't keep anything a secret. And
so it's not that they were, it's it was not

(01:40:01):
yes and no, I show they wanted to see if
they there was people there not understanding that the intelligence
of a human, you know, and what we call a
normal human doesn't have that education to be able to
decipher prop circles. It has to be somebody who's literally
has a scientific mind that's very educated in mathematics to

(01:40:23):
understand these and decotam. And there was also possibly at
the time. Now aliens are highly intelligent, they're also higher
beings of us, you know, and so what they could
have been doing is also contacting a younger selves of

(01:40:43):
them to see if they could read it, trying to
give themselves a message, not understanding that them at a
lower level can't comprehend it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
Yet I was open enough for you, Dave, not it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:04):
No, can you repeat what you just said, Sina?

Speaker 10 (01:41:12):
So seriously, yeah, you can do a reader's not just
version of it, because I'm trying to absorb what you
said and make it makes sense.

Speaker 6 (01:41:22):
Okay, So aliens are a future self, a future part
of who we are. It's a maybe a future human
and what that So when aliens come in. They're probably
trying to contact a younger version of themselves or an

(01:41:43):
ancestor and making a crop circle in that area, not
understanding that that younger version can't can't understand that, you know,
it doesn't have the technology or agency technolgy, but the
smarts at that time, at the level that they're at
to figure out and decipher the code of that. And

(01:42:05):
so though that's what they're kind of picking and choosing.
It's like, well, this is a younger version of us,
you know, they should they should be able to read it,
and they don't.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
I said a couple of years ago on the show
you Know that the people that the day that a
spacecraft lands and actually, like you see in the movies,
like it lands and the door opens, right and the
aliens walk out, people are going to shit their pants
when it's a human being, right, And I said that

(01:42:39):
people thought that was funny, like I was joking around,
And I don't think I am. I think that I
think that what you just said kind of resonates in
what I what my thoughts were a couple of years
back when I said that, you know, is that we
are trying to reach backwards to teach ourselves something. But
then again, that goes back to my question I had earlier.

(01:43:01):
Why can't they dummy it down so the general populace
can at least get a foothold instead of keeping it
just for the elite individuals that are controlled by the government.
I mean, they would have to know. They would have
to know that because it would even be in their times.

(01:43:22):
They would have to government rule. I don't care what
century you go to. In our history of the world,
there's always been a ruling faction and who controls the narrative?
There always has been all throughout time, any place you
look at, there's been a ruling party that has controlled

(01:43:44):
the narrative. So as as future beings coming back, coming
back to an earlier form of yourself, and you're really
trying to help, and you're really trying to share stuff
and make things better, why are you not doing something

(01:44:05):
that everybody can benefit from? And it's and you break
the narrative, because that's what really needs to happen for
us to become one. We need to break the narrative.
So why are we not breaking the narrative? Is it dangerous?
I mean, is that what it is? Is it too
dangerous to happen.

Speaker 6 (01:44:24):
Yeah, it might be too much information, but they're also
I'm sure that they have rules that they have to
abide by as well, so they can only give so much.
So they're only allowed to present it in certain ways.
And if we don't understand it, then the ones that
do are the ones that are not going to mis
abuse it.

Speaker 4 (01:44:40):
But those are the ones that are controlled by the
people that are controlling the narrative.

Speaker 6 (01:44:46):
But it is getting it is held it though. It
is so if you do, I mean, we have the
ability to research it now and if you're you know,
if you're really looking into everybody knows go on YouTube.
It just people to cover every out of their mouth.
It's like, oh, you's looking for something on YouTube. You
know everything's out there. So it's if you do your research,

(01:45:08):
you will be able to find it out. It's not
keeping it from you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
M hm.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
So yeah, well so you last week you and I
had the disagreement on uh, the intensity of the release
of getting their message out there and how you have

(01:45:35):
these little sets that are are are doing their doing
their work like yourself, but it's not enough and they
have the ability to go worldwide. You see it with
the crop circles, And to Dave's point of dumbing it down,
why can't they put a message in a field that

(01:45:56):
says we are here or something like that. Uh, why
does it have to be geometrical shapes that only two
people in the entire world can understand? When they can
get their message out like easily, and if they wanted
to confuse some people, they could do it in like

(01:46:17):
per perfect cursive and then only like fifty percent of
the world would be able to read it.

Speaker 11 (01:46:23):
So, I mean, it's the funniest thing you said in
a long time. That is the biggest rip on society
in general, and one of the funniest things that has
come out of your mouth in a long time. Only
fifty of the world to be able to read it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:35):
I love that, But my point sticks valid.

Speaker 11 (01:46:42):
Yeah, your point's valid because it's piggybacking off of what
I said, So it is valid.

Speaker 3 (01:46:47):
So I mean, is it Why do they have to
do it that way? If they're trying to get information out,
if they're trying for the world to understand what they're
trying to say, why do these aid in a way
that only two people in the entire world can understand.

Speaker 6 (01:47:05):
Again, because they probably have rules that they have to
abide by. They can give information, but only to a
certain way. So you don't know how everybody has this
species have laws as well, and I'm sure they're abiding
by their laws and being very careful with information they're

(01:47:27):
giving us. And so if they feel that we're not
able to interpret it, there's a reason certain people aren't
able to interpret it. And it's again, it's not trying
to keep it from people doing that. It's the ones
that will not cause harm that will probably be able

(01:47:48):
to understand it. And like I said, I it's on
this information is out there. I'm not just you know,
channeling that this information is out There's nothing cout from anybody.
It's just the ones that are interested. Go do your research.
You'll find it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
Do you think that the hybrids are able to interpret
it easier than like you and I? Well, I won't
say you like Mike.

Speaker 6 (01:48:14):
And I, depending on because everybody has what they will
so call master. You know, you've got some mathematicians, some
are artists, some are historians, and so not everybody would
be able to decipher it. It's going to be your mathematicians,

(01:48:35):
your scientists that are going to be able to decipher this, all.

Speaker 4 (01:48:41):
Right, So I'm gonna dip my toe in the pond here.
Uh So, who's the governing force that dictates the rules
for these species to not be able to just like
blow our heads open with knowledge?

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
Go ahead, It's the Galaxy Council, isn't it?

Speaker 6 (01:49:04):
Yes, yes it is.

Speaker 4 (01:49:05):
I know I shouldn't have best so who?

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
Uh So?

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
The Galaxy Council is made up of of either what
or who?

Speaker 6 (01:49:14):
All different species except until not humans. They are such
a lower science projects.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
As we're not smart enough for these.

Speaker 6 (01:49:23):
They are such a science project. It's ridiculous. It's all
different species, but of higher like you've got light workers,
you have, gods, you have They're all different levels of
higher beings that are on the Galaxy Council.

Speaker 4 (01:49:40):
So do they think that we just couldn't handle the knowledge.

Speaker 6 (01:49:44):
No, it's not that we can't handle it. It's what
we keep abusing the knowledge.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
Well, when you say we, now we have to put
that into terms because we I don't abuse any knowledge.
So the humans we in general, right like the two
percenters that run the narrative, the two percent of leaders,
those are the people that were referencing that are abusing
the knowledge.

Speaker 6 (01:50:10):
They're blowing up. I mean, they start wars here, they
blow up each other. They're blowing up the earth, destroying her.
This is where they live. Why would you destroy where
you live? Because they're killing themselves out they they're putting
you know, chemicals in the water and killing each other.
You know, florides kills people. They put it in the water.

(01:50:31):
They put it in your drinking water, which they've learned
from the Germans. That was learned from Hiller, by the way,
one of his scientists learned that you put That's why
he fed the Jews at the camps, is put floyd
in the water to kill them. And when the war
was over, of course, the United States, they're the you
know whatever we're called now, not that, but the corporation
took on those scientists and told us and literally right

(01:50:54):
after that war, they started putting that in the water
that we drink. The the humans kill themselves, they blow
each other up. They have wars, they're continued, they're chaotic,
they're constantly fighting each other. It's ego, power, money, it's
you know, it's so much hatred and anger here, and

(01:51:17):
it's it's terrible, and so they have to be careful
what they feed the humans here. It has to be
kept away from because if it's in the wrong hands,
it can be abused. It's been shown time and time again.

Speaker 4 (01:51:37):
So that goes back to and I'm trying not to
circle back, but that goes back. Then if our ultimate
goal is to become one and to become completely absorbed
as all of us into one cohesive kind of great understanding,

(01:51:59):
then why not start an uprising with the paupers in
the streets and give them knowledge that is going to
be able to level the playing field and or circumvent
the narrative so that we have the ability to become one.
So my thought here and not through war or hatred

(01:52:22):
or anything. So what if you gave fifty percent of
the population who believe in what we're talking about the
ability to understand what we don't understand currently, and we
all became and we all understood it in a way
that we became a cohesive collective thought.

Speaker 6 (01:52:47):
We all are. We already are one. I'm you or me.
We're all living, we are each other, living on different
experience as human experiences. We already are are.

Speaker 4 (01:53:02):
Here comes okay, I can't rep my head around that.
And I'm not laughing at you, seen obviously, I love you.
I can't get my head around that. I'm sorry. It's
too deep for me, I guess.

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
But and that's why you're not in the Galaxy Council, Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
I completely see that now. I completely see why I
wouldn't be allowed on the Galaxy Council because I wouldn't
be able to understand that concept.

Speaker 6 (01:53:33):
And they are all from one collective, and we're all connected.
I'm you, you're me. We're just leaving out different human experiences.
And so many people are manipulated because of power that
they have to be careful of who they give this
power to, because even if they feel that you're you
don't have ill will to do anything wrong, you can

(01:53:55):
be manipulated to give that information to the wrong source.

Speaker 4 (01:53:59):
Gotcha?

Speaker 3 (01:54:02):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:54:04):
Right? Yeah? So if you had some secret knowledge and
somehow somebody who controls power found out that you had
this secret knowledge, they would do whatever it took to
get it from you.

Speaker 6 (01:54:15):
What do you think they do to scientists?

Speaker 4 (01:54:17):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:54:18):
Correct?

Speaker 3 (01:54:19):
Okay, yep, And I know some government would send some
hot lady to seduce me.

Speaker 6 (01:54:26):
And you can take it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:30):
What do you want? I will tell her where my
grandma eyes her money. You could get that. You could
get anything you want.

Speaker 4 (01:54:41):
I mean, oh, I'm getting I'm getting hooded and thrown
in the back of the black van and taken to Utah.
That's what's going to happen to me.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
Well, if we're part of the Galaxy councilough, we're no longer.
I guess I never asked that question. Is the Galaxy
Council a physical place where beings go, or like, let's
just say, for the sake of argument, the leader of

(01:55:14):
the Gallest Council falls ill with pneumonia Hypothetically speaking, I
know they don't obviously, I know, just hypothetical situation. And
they're like, Mike, we need your help. You need to
fill in just for today. Or he's got he's got
his daughter's getting married. You know, shut up, this is

(01:55:40):
a hypothetical situation. Oh boy, what would would I leave
the earth? Or would it be like a dreamlike state
where I leave my body?

Speaker 6 (01:55:56):
It would be dream where you leave your body.

Speaker 3 (01:55:58):
I would leave my body, Okay, I would still I
would still physically be here. It could happen, Cina, you don't.

Speaker 6 (01:56:06):
Know, Oh, yes I do.

Speaker 7 (01:56:12):
Anyways, we got daughters getting married and they need me
to fill in for a day.

Speaker 4 (01:56:25):
Beautiful, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
Priority.

Speaker 6 (01:56:34):
I don't think you're line.

Speaker 3 (01:56:37):
Well I should be. Oh my god, maybe everybody in
line is going to the wedding. You don't know. So
they need an outsider.

Speaker 4 (01:56:47):
They need a fresh perspective, right.

Speaker 3 (01:56:50):
That's right, Dave, a fresh perspective, perfectly said, there you go. Anyway,
is there anything about crop circles? But that hasn't already
been said that you think people should know.

Speaker 6 (01:57:04):
People will need to know that if they're from the aliens,
it's not. It's been debunked super so many times. They've
been trying to debunk it. They are alien made.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:57:17):
The whole thing is just thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:57:19):
Well I've been saying that forever, so now I've got
somebody backing me up.

Speaker 3 (01:57:27):
Yeah, yes, yes, indeed. Okay, Well if that's it, anything
anything left.

Speaker 4 (01:57:35):
Dave, Nope, nope, I need to I need to stop
asking questions because uh uh, my head's already spent it.
It'll be a week before I could kind of get
back to my normal routine.

Speaker 6 (01:57:48):
And I've done my job.

Speaker 4 (01:57:50):
You've done your jobs kind in my expanded the boundaries
of my consciousness.

Speaker 3 (01:57:56):
Well, technically that is your your mission, isn't it? Yes,
there you go.

Speaker 4 (01:58:02):
All right, so it's your star. Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:58:08):
Thank you obviously Sena for coming on once again.

Speaker 6 (01:58:11):
Oh you're welcome. Thank you for asking on. That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:58:15):
So uh for anybody who asked further questions for Sena
or I would like to talk to her about anything
that she's she's good at, which is like everything uh
spiritual anyway, Uh, where would they be able to get
hold of you?

Speaker 6 (01:58:34):
On my website It's Insightful soul, and you can go
to my website and schedule appointment. Otherwise, my email address
is readings by Sena at gmail dot com s E.
M A.

Speaker 3 (01:58:49):
For those of you who don't know how to spell.

Speaker 6 (01:58:51):
SNA right on my screen, there's a screen right there
if you got if this is YO two it's hard
on this.

Speaker 3 (01:58:57):
Very true, very true. So yeah, uh that does it
for here tonight. I just want to reiterate next week, Dave,
when I will be on at our new time ten
am to noon on Sunday, we will have our Christmas episode,
in which case we will be giving away several uh

(01:59:19):
several paranormal type stuff, probably spirit box, one of my
demon shirts, maybe K two. Uh, we'll see how extravagant
I get. But uh, the only way to enter is
to send in either a Christmas memory, whether good or bad.
I guess it's Dave wants Dave wants it all. Uh,

(01:59:40):
but you know favorite president, favorite memory, favorite story. Ah.
Whatever you going on our website Otissey Fouls Radio dot
com or email us Odyssey Fouls Radio at gmail dot com.
Uh and uh and get submitted and I'll put that
out on social O our pages as well. But I

(02:00:01):
just want to reiterate that. So yeah, we'll see everybody
next week. Until then, stay healthy, stay safe. We want
to see you back here. Everyone, have a great night.

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