Episode 324 - Missed Paranormal Stories in 2024 - The Odyssey Files Radio

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Speaker 1 (00:36):
Wh God, God, New year, everybody in the paranormal community,

(01:23):
and thank you for partaking in the Honestly Palace first
episode of the twenty twenty five year.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
I'm your host, Michael Onlya with me barely as my
co host, mister David.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Sorry, good even Dave.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Good, Good morning day, Good morning morning, Mike.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
I was gonna say, I'm going you on this beautiful
start to twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Rusty, no shit, me too. Of course it's twenty twenty five.
What else would it be.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, No, it's uh what is this our second show
in the morning, right, yeah, in one, and then we
had our holiday break, and then we're kind of back
from our holiday break, kind of back, kind of back.
We are eighty percent back. Yeah, I was gonna say
we're about seventy five percent. Give us a week or

(02:15):
two and uh yeah, we'll be about eighty eight percent.
Give us a month or two and we'll be about
ninety five. We'll get there.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
It's like working on advanced evolution.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, yeah, we're working out.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
But uh, we do have some great things we will
be lining up here for for.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Uh shows coming up.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
A great episode for you right here this week where
we were we were, we.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Are, we were, we were going to talk about this,
but yeah, we changed it as we came on, as
you say, but we still are. We still are. And
that is kind of news.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
From around around the world in twenty twenty four that
we missed or lit recap or that happened as we
went off the air, so we didn't get to it
until right at the end, and it didn't have any
time to do it right right.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
We're certainly going to talk about this whole drone thing again,
so because it's just interesting all these theories that are
there's just a ton of conspiracy theories out there right now, yes,
but there's some legit stuff out there too, And like
I sent you that the clip from what I considered
consider that guy to be a pretty legitimate observer of

(03:44):
what is happening with his background that you know, and
we'll go over that later.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
But yeah, no, absolutely, that's about the only like person
of authority right on the matter that I would ever.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Even listen to. Yeah, that's why I sent it over
because I thought that.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Because then you sent me this thing off Reddit and
I'm just reading it and I'm like.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
This is the I'm like, why why day why, Like
I blame you.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
For for when it's permeated my head and and and
not in like, oh what, I like, I didn't.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Even go down the rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I'm like, there is no rabbit hole here, Like you're
dating this person is digging the rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, yeah, with a tiny shove with a kid's sand
pale shovel.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Trying trying to make it look like a rabbit did
the work and did not.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
But well we'll get to that.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, we do have uh, we do have to get
to some listener some listener mails.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
So I just want to start by saying that I
know it's a little early, it's still morning, but I
want to say congratulations to the Vikings for winning the
NFC North and the NFC the number one seed. Yeah,
number one seed. Okay, got out of your system? Yeah no,

(05:23):
not not really. But that's how I'm starting today. I'm
going in with a positive mental attitude today.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah. Well whatever, Yeah, so we get we'll have home
field advantage and we'll be uh out in the first round,
well second round, Actually.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
No, that won't happen. Isn't it crazy though? That irregardless
of who wins or loses tonight, they're both going to
be like thirteen or fourteen win teams or fourteen or
fifteen win teams, and and one of them is going
to be the division champion of one's going to be
the fifth seed. Just insane that that the record, as

(06:02):
good as both their records are, that one of them
is going to be the number five seed and have
to travel. I'm just like, what the heck?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I didn't read the division this year, so I yeah,
we're NFC North was the number one division in the
entire league.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, no, it was great division this year.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Absolutely, if only the Bears could have gotten their head
out of their asses, they.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Couldn't even win five this year. I mean, it was phenomenal,
but obviously they're struggling still. But we'll get there next year. No, no,
you won't. I have faith in their young quarterback. And
they fired their head coach. So I heard Pete Carroll's
gonna is it wants the Bears job. But if Pete
Carroll gets the Bears job and they let him run
the team like they should, So if anybody's listening, who

(06:50):
owns the Bears, let Pete Carroll run the team because
he did a really good He's done great everywhere he's
been usc And isn't he like ninety years old. He's
seventy six or something like that. But he's the he's
like the youngest seventy six year old on the planet Earth.
They said. He's in like phenomenal shape, and as all

(07:10):
of us wits bottom, he runs up and down the
sidelines better than the players do. So that's that's fine.
I don't mind that. Hell, if we can Eluckted another,
you know, on the verge dementia president, we could certainly
have somebody who's a couple of years younger than him
running the Bears. It'll be just fine. Dub Bears, dub bears.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Something we won't be saying next year. We'll see my
bears had on next year. Maybe maybe to be later.
Maybe it'll be a Packers Bears will actually be a
good game.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, maybe it's the oldest. It's the longest running game
there is, right, Yes, it was like the first game
played or something like that, or longest running rivalry as well,
speaking of which we have.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, it's proud to present the mail bank, all.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Right, cuts me right off. It goes right to the
mail bank. Yeah, that's exactly why I did it. I know.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
I'm like, well, that's enough. We have to save some
stuff for two dudes and some chips. Absolutely, so that
that's where we talk about football.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Gotch Well I had to mention it tonight just because
we're at the end of the season.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
So well, true, but the people who like listen in June,
they're gonna enjoy the the fighting, you know, conversation. All right,
So hold on one second here, I got a.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Pull ump stop. All right.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
So I think this is actually this is a question
that was written in that.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
I think.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
It's something that I've actually discussed with my paranormal team
like a lot lately. And I don't know if we've
actually more than like a passing statement or something like that,
have really hit upon it, or if I did, it
was probably like.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
With Sena or something like that.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
But uh, okay, are you really that dead? If your
consciousness would still continue existing, if ghosts are real, then
you continue to exist forever. Is it really even death anymore?
You'd still exist, You'd merely have shed your fleshy vessel.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
If anything, you'd be much more powerful. That's the spirit.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Somebody's been watching Star Wars because like that's like really
just a take off of if you strike me down,
I will become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
And you know, and Yoda, well, you're right exactly, and
Yo and Yoda's saying, you know, we've we've figured out
the gift immortality.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
But that doesn't I may seem like I'm mocking this
person's question.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
It's a very very good question. I'm just blocking the
way in which he wrote it because there's really a
lot of Star Wars in there, but it is it
is a question that I think paranormal investigators specifically need
to focus on and and really take the heart because

(10:32):
I think that in a lot of ways a person's
traits and characteristics can be used to really help figure
out what is going on in people's homes or in
any sort of haunted location. You know, the age, you
know how they were they aggressive?

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Were they not? Were they loving? Were they not?

Speaker 2 (10:54):
And you use these these traits that this person had
because if they are intelligent spirits, and that's that's the
main difference here. We're intelligent to residual, because residual you're
not going to do anything.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
It's going to be there.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
I mean, you can get rid of it, sure by
you know, sag and getting kind of moving the energy
on or you know, dispelling it. But intelligent spirits are
going to be I don't want to say exactly like
they were in life, because.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Well, supposedly you don't carry any of your your traits forward.
So we're a blank canvas again, so to speak.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
We'll see they say, well, a lot of people say
a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
I know, I'm just saying that's what they say. Right,
We're supposed to be a blank canvas. But if that's
the case, then if you're a grumpy guy in life,
and then you're a grumpy spirit in the afterlife, right,
I mean we've heard that time and time again, right
where it's not an evil entity. It's just a grumpy
old man who doesn't want you to walking across his lawn.
You know. That's the way he was in life, and

(12:06):
that's the way he is. And then he built that
house and he's staying whether you like it or not,
you know, type of thing exactly.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
But I mean that leads this is very very average
obviously a complex issue.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
It is. It's a very simple question but a very
complex answer.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Yes, it is, because uh, you know, like I go
to places like, excuse me, the Little Duke Mansion in
Hasey's Minister love that place to death. I've got e
vps off the.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Off the wallsuit.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Intelligent, you know, uh, answering questions, you know, singing with
like ah, you know, like they're interacting because we're around,
got all of that, you know. So I don't even
call them. I don't call them that. I call them
living history because I'm actually able to talk to them
if they're willing to, you know, talk back, which unfortunately

(13:03):
you know isn't often. But again, we don't know how
easy or hard that is for them to do. We
we always assume it's easy.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
All they have to.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Do is talk into the recorder and the recorder will
pick it up. Probably not the case, but again that
that defeat. That's entirely different the.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Way we go down a rabbit hole there right there right.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Well, of course, but that's not the spirit of the question.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
So I mean, I've.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Actually started to to say, and have tried to put
this forward to the investigators on my team, did not
even say dead anymore, to say like passed on, because
that's pretty much what they what they're doing. They're passing
on to the next level. What that next level is
or what it's meant to do. I still have no idea.

(13:54):
Nobody does, because you have to add in a whole
you know, once once, Like let's just use myself as
an example. Once I pass on, don't I get back
all of the memories and lessons and knowledge that I've
accumulated through all of my lives, or do I have

(14:16):
to effectively leave this world behind in order to get that? Like,
there's so many different variables and pass you can go
on this that it's it's it would take it's going
to take decades and figure it out, or one very
knowledgeable spirit. So I mean that that was willing to

(14:42):
come down and actually answer questions in a very clear
and concise way. And again, don't know how easy your
heart that would be.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
But I have not run into that yet. By the way,
there are I've run into some great answers, but I've
not had the conversation of what happens on the other side.
Everybody seems to shut up immediately when you ask that question.
It goes dead silent.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Well, I mean, and there's even you and I have
heard the the theory that you know there are rules
on what the other side is allowed to say and
not say. And but then you get these e vps
that kind of throw that off. And why do these
psychicmediums able to predict the future and stuff, but they're
not allowed to tell us like what their names are?

(15:29):
Like it just it doesn't like there's just so many
here and there is that.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
It drives you.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Mad if you if you try to go through all
of the different ways in which this could happen, and
this could happen, I don't Obviously there's the theory, uh
you know, you can't create or destroy energy. All you
can do is, you know, move it around or whatever.
And I and I get that, So yes, can you

(15:59):
live for ever?

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (16:03):
Unless obviously the source God whatever you want just you know,
wants to eat you like you know, last night's pizza,
because apparently that's what we're for, you know, our souls
are just to be God's lunch. But I digress.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
I'm gonna save some for you, Davis. I I don't
know that I have an intelligent answer for that, except
for here's my guess, here's my best guess of it. Right,
if you're going to be recycled because it's not your
last time around, then you're not taking anything forward. I
don't think you take anything, any of your memories or

(16:46):
anything forward, because you're supposed to be a blank slate,
according to multiple individuals that I've talked to, when you
go back through and you re sign your documents, which
again I know for a fact I didn't sign up
for a spinal injury for this time around, so I
don't know where that came from. But anyway, I digress.

(17:10):
But I think that probably your last time through, right,
so you're not this is like I've been told, this
is my last time through. So we'll see if that's
true or not when my time comes. But if it's
my last time through, then I think it would be cool.
I don't know that it's going to happen, but it

(17:31):
would be cool if every life that I've lived, that
I had knowledge from every life that I've lived, like
I had memories from every life that I lived, And
then that would make sense to me in the fact
that then I am I can reflect back on my
journey and all of the things that I was supposed

(17:53):
to learn, and then I will, and then I can
talk about all the things that I learned and all
the things that I was supposed to learn, and I
would have the knowledge of that, And that to me
sounds like what's supposed to happen if you're if it's
if you if you have to go around thirty times
and this is your tenth time, then I don't think

(18:15):
you're carrying anything forward. I think that you're just a
blank slate coming through again. You know, But hopefully when
it is you're when when you finally pass the test,
you know, you can look at it a million different
ways and put a million different words on it. But
when it when when you finally are are done and

(18:36):
you get to move on to the next level, hopefully
you take those memories with you and then you know,
that would be cool, right, I mean, it'd be great.
Like if I've if I've lived thirty lives, well one,
if I've lived thirty lives, I would like to be

(18:58):
able to reflect upon those thirty lives, like if it's
my thirtieth time and this is the time that I go,
like move forward type of thing. I'd like to be
able to look back on all thirty lives and kind
of reflect on the things that I was supposed to learn.
In each life, and then I would probably and then
that would be great because then I would understand the

(19:19):
great mystery, right, And maybe that's where the gag order
comes in. You know, hey, you, I'm going to grant
you the knowledge of being able to understand your entire
path from twelve fifty BC. Let's say that was my
first life, and then all those lives forward and and

(19:45):
and God's going to give me the ability to understand
all of that in a concise fashion. And then but
I can't talk about it like that's part of the deal,
you know. So it makes sense, right, I mean to me,
it makes sense from all the things that I've experienced
in my life that people would consider paranormal. That would

(20:07):
make sense to me, you know, because then I'm no
longer But then I'm no longer going to be here anyway.
I'm going to be someplace else, you know, in the cosmos,
in the universe, somewhere. I just saw a thing the
other day, and I know this is going off in
a little bit of a tangent, But there are four

(20:29):
in our universe alone. There are forty billion planets that
have potential life that are like Earth, that they think
are like Earth forty billion planets, and just in our universe.
That's not talking about all of the universes all the time.
That's just our what we understand right now to be

(20:49):
our universe. There are forty billion Earth like planets, they estimate. So,
I mean, who knows, Maybe I'm going to one of those.
Maybe we're all going to mind of those, you know,
Maybe it's our next journey. Maybe that's the next stomping ground,
you know. I don't know, it'd be interesting. I mean,
I don't want to go today necessarily, but I'm not

(21:12):
worried about going. I'm excited when the time comes, I'm
excited to take that next step and journey.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
So yeah, there's a there's a planet out there called
earth Landfill, and that's I don't want to go all
the all of the all of the souls of I
don't want.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
To go there. I don't want to go to the
purgatory either. That I'm not looking for that either. I
want to go to the uh, the happy place where
there's no more pain, there's no more misery, you don't
bring any of your baggage with you. Get to see
my dad again, get to see my dogs again, get
to see you know, loved ones that have passed. So

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that's what I'm looking forward to. But that didn't answer
the question. Sorry, but but there is no answer to
the question. I mean, that's my best guess as to
what's going to happen with our consciousness when we move forward.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
There is no concrete answer.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
There is no concrete answer. I mean, I don't care.
I've heard a million. I've heard not a million. I legitimately,
I've probably heard over my lifetime probably two three hundred
different ideas from different people or from shows I've watched,
or from books I've read. If anybody had the right answer,
it would be concrete. Nobody has the right answer. It's

(22:31):
all speculation and guesses. You know, you have to experience
it for yourself in order to find it. And then,
like the Great Houdini, right, he said he was going
to come back and let us know what was going on,
you know, and even even he can't, so I don't know.
We'll see, all right, Moving on, That took fifteen minutes

(22:53):
for one question. We're in trouble, Okay, Hi, guys, I'm
home alone, and I just heard some whistling and then
something in the kitchen fall I was downstairs grabbing my
clean laundry when it happened. I'm scared because I heard
the whistling again along with my mom's voice, and she
is not in the house. She's picking up my sister.
I'm eighteen, and I've been seeing things out of the

(23:15):
corner of my eye and orbs like a red orb
before I heard the whistle. This is freaking me out.
Can you help, well, we can try to help. So
age might come into play here. I'm not saying that
you're not hearing what you're hearing, but eighteen years old

(23:37):
and home alone and down in the basement doing laundry,
if you were kind of freaked out about being home alone,
or a little freaked out about being in the basement,
you could be seeing something out a corner of your
eye and mistaking it. But I won't dismiss hearing your
mom's voice or whistling in the house. You know, if

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you have pets, they could have knocked something over in
the kitchen, so that there's a logical answer there. I
don't know that anything's happening, but it could be the
start of like a mimic in the house. It would
it would happen there'd have to be more to this

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question as far as I have you experienced anything before?
Is this something that's been ongoing for a while, Is
anybody else in the house having any experiences stuff like that.
If not, I would just dismiss this as and I
wouldn't dismiss it. I would just say that it is

(24:43):
your imagination running wild because you're a little freaked out
about being home alone or downstairs alone. I've been in
some creepy basements before I grew up in a house
dad creepy basement, so you know what can happen. But
I wouldn't put too much into it unless this is

(25:05):
a constant thing, and then I would say that it's time.
Like if you hear this whistling all the time, or
you hear your mom's voice all the time and she's
not home, or frequently, not all the time, but frequently,
then I would say that it's time to figure out

(25:25):
what's going on and reach out and get some help
and bring somebody into the house that can help you.
Whether it's get a blessing to the house, although if
it's not an evil spirit, I don't know what a
blessing isn't necessarily going to do anything. Don't run out
by sage and do it yourself without knowing what you're doing,

(25:46):
I would get in this case, I would think I
would get a paranormal team in there and document what's
going on first, and if nothing gets documented with a
couple of visits, then I would say it's maybe your
imagination run away eld.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
I'm gonna go with the let's start let me phrase,
I'm gonna start with the natural explanation type type thing.
I mean, because you're downstairs, you're hearing you're hearing this
whistle in.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
The kitchen and then something falling.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
So we don't know what type of what, what kind
of year it is you, or what time of year
it is. I should say, so is it summer and
the windows are open or partially open? Because uh often
if it's windy outside, even if your windows are closed,
if they're not like properly insulated or sealed and stuff.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
You get that. Yeah, you can hear a whistle.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
You get a whistle there. I mean, like, so is
it like or is it like? I mean, if it's
doing pop goes the weael probably not the.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Wind probably not, but or they can't call that's probably
not the probably not the wind.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
But if you're just hearing the slow and steady stream, uh,
you know that that could be the wind outside blowing,
you know, blowing through the windows if your windows are open.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
And I mean my only.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Hesitation to this obviously is I would think that if
you walked upstairs and the windows were open, the wind
was blowing, you wouldn't understand why you heard the whistle
and why something fell, like it wouldn't be uh, it
wouldn't be lost on you as to why this happened.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
So that's my that's my only.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Thing that the hesitation in that theory where trying to
recreate it would probably be the best thing to do
as an as an investigator, you know, if you you
did call it a paranormal team like that would be
something to to try to recreate see if you can

(27:56):
get something to fall. I wish I would have known
what fell. Uh, you know, it's just something heavy? Was
it a pen rolling off the rolling off the counter?

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Like? What what was it that that? Actually? Yeah, right,
if it was your cast iron frying pan that fell
off the stove onto the floor, obviously there's something going on.
It was an empty popcn that was sitting on the
edge of the table that got knocked over because the
windows open. That's that those are two totally different something

(28:27):
fell ideas exactly.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
You know, like, you know, do you have a dog
that wheezed and bumped into the kitchen table and you know,
overfell you know, something that was on the edge, or
do you have a you know, an asshole cat?

Speaker 3 (28:42):
You know, cats love pushing ship off of stuff. Exactly.
They'll sit there and just like, yeah, don't and then
they they're happy and then they're like, Okay, I knocked
it off, and then they walk away.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
And they'll stare you right in the eyes the entire
time they're doing it, absolutely and then they look at
you like clean it up. That's their jerks, it's their job.
So but anyway, that's out here. That's just further details
that you know, people like a team would need, you know,
if you ready called me in those are those are
the questions that I would ask. Yeah, so I did

(29:17):
look up red orbs while while you were giving your answer,
and a typically a red orb can symbolize a few things,
one of them being obviously like anger and aggression. Another
one could be like passion so to speak, or like

(29:38):
a warning something like that. It's typically not love, which
confuses me. That's what I would have used, but apparently not.
So I don't know. If you know you've seen the
red orb means something. If you've been in orbs since

(30:00):
you were ten, you know, for the last eight years,
since you're eighteen, now, you know you probably attract spirits
like you have gifts.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
You don't just.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
See ors for you know, eight years and not have gifts,
right unless you're you're mistaking dust.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
For orbs, and I don't think you are. Not with
the naked eye, no, right now, with the naked eye.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, And so you could have attracted some some spirit
could have come in. Maybe they were angry before they
even got there. They don't know what's going on there.
You know that that's just in their nature. Goes right
back to our previous question. You know, are they in angry?
Were they an angry person in life? And now they're

(30:43):
passed on. They don't know what's going on, and they're
angry and they see your light and they come to
for you to answers, and you're ignoring them because you're
doing your laundry. Right, Uh, they're gonna get even more angry.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Right.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I'm with Dave, though, if this is a one off
and you just continue to see orbs and maybe this
one was trying to get somebody's your attention or something
like that, and that's how they knew how to do it,
and then once you don't respond or whatever to it,
they leave. I would just chalk it up to a

(31:18):
one off experience and.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Move on with life.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
And again, just like he said, if if it continues
to happen, or it starts to escalate or something along
those lines, a paranormal, reputable paranormal team, because in the
stories that I found, it's gonna it's gonna hit upon
that topic for for the second hour.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
But or even a.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Psychic medium, because the psychic media will not only be
able to tell you like what is going on and
why you're seeing these oars, but they might actually be
able to help you control it or even stop it, right,
depending on what you want. A paranormal team will not
be able to do that.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
They will give you answers, but will they be able
to document what's happening? Right? They'll be able to tell
for me, right is a paranormal team can can make
you the biggest thing for me is a paranormal team.
And the reason I got into it is just to
let people know that, yes, what you're experiencing.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Is true knowledge.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Right, Yeah, you know, yes this is happening. Right. You
say that this this door keeps closing. You know, I'll
take that house in White Bear Lake. Right if one
of the claims was, hey, this door to the basement
keeps closing all the time by itself. We have no
idea why. And then we catch it on film, which
we did. Yeah, we just documented. Yes, you're right, that

(32:47):
is right, right, like that door closes by itself. We
don't have an answer as to why it does, but
we caught it, right, We saw it happen on film,
you know. So yeah, I mean it's so. It's things
like that, and then it just brings some relief. I
think to the client that it doesn't necessarily make it

(33:07):
go away, but at least there's that that feeling of
I'm not going insane. Other people have witnessed what I've witnessed.
Now I feel like, Okay, now I've got a little
bit of knowledge behind me. I've got other people that
understand it with me. Now we just need to figure
out how to deal with it. Yeah, you know exactly.

(33:38):
So I'm trying to find something. Yeah, that's all right,
that's right. Uh, And it kind of leads into the
next thing too, the next then the next question. Actually, So,
if there is something happening in the house and it
is going to escalate, then if physical touch becomes part
of it, along with hearing like a mimic and hearing

(34:00):
a whistle and seeing red orbs, if it escalates to
the point where you're getting physically touched, such as you're
on the staircase taking your laundry upstairs, you lose your
balance because somebody puts their hand in the middle of
your back right now, that's stepping up to the next level.
Or you get scratched, or you get touched, you know,

(34:21):
we've had that happen a lot. Or you're folding your laundry.
You're sitting on the edge of your bed folding laundry
and you feel somebody else sit on the bed. You
feel a depression, which I have felt that more times
than I could than I would like to have felt it.
And it's just like an uncomfortable feeling because you know
something to sat down and you're like, okay, who's here?

(34:43):
What do you want? All right, We're good, Yeah, we're good. Okay,
all right.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
I am being followed by what I think is a spirit,
and I'm at my wits end. I mailed twenty one
am looking for any kind of health of information regarding
the figure that follows me. For context purposes, I'll start
at the beginning. When I was eighteen, I started seeing
a shadowy figure at work. The figure was never malicious

(35:18):
or anything, but just stood at the end of aisles watching.
The encounters went on for months, and I even took
going to a psychiatrist to see if it was a
personal issue. I got nothing from the psychiatrist. The encounters
continued and started up at home. For clarification, I live
in a smaller rural town in southeastern Texas. It's your name,

(35:41):
Sheldon Cooper. I could see the figure from my windows,
just standing in the fields watching. I tried going outside
and confronting it, but it would just disappear behind trees
or the brush. I changed jobs, and it's still and
it still is. They're always across the street or down

(36:02):
the halls, just watching. I don't know what to do anymore.
I'm asking for your guys's advice or maybe clues so
I can rid myself of whatever this thing is.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
I am honestly on the fence of.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
It's something or it's you know, like mental health issues.
Usually spirits do not come around for years and just watch.
But then again, this goes back to kind of the

(36:44):
dual sided. You know, it could be either either one
that could happen all the time and we just don't
know it, but for whatever reason, you're able to see it.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
Or it's years for us and it's days for them. True,
but because we're not sure how that dimensional time thing works. Well,
very very true.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
But you know, the only thing is it is if
it's an intelligent spirit, which I got to assume it is.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Considered got to be an intelligent spirit.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
If it goes out, if he goes out to try
to confront it, the ducks behind trees.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Or it leaves or man that happen many times, or
the brush, right, I mean, like you go out like
I've had that happen when something showed up in the
house and I jump out of bed and go after
it and it just it just goes out the wall.
You know, it just leaves type of thing. So you
know it was there. I watched it leave it didn't

(37:44):
want to have a confrontation with me, you know. So
it's interesting though that it's been following him that long.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
It made no attempt at all of communication, of communication,
of interaction and affected. So it's it's one of those
for for me. And this is why I I I
lean towards it's got to be something with mental health.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
One.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
You thought it was mental health because you went to
a psychiatrist, right and well, I said, he got nothing
from the psychiatry.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
I would assume that means clean bill of health, like
I got nothing, Like I got no, I don't have
any like mental health issues, like the psychiatrist said that
you're fine.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
That's kind of how I read that.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
I'm I'm I read it as I got no answers
from the psychiatrist, which which could be could be the
same type of thing, you know, like I went in
to see if there's something wrong with me, and I
got nothing right, you know, from them. So I mean
we could be saying the exact same things.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Just in different ways.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
But my other question, and this also to me, it's
some sort of mental health issue is in today's society,
especially at work, every inch is covered by cameras. So

(39:14):
if this thing is appearing and you can see it
and it's standing there at the end of the aisle,
why has no camera caught it? Or is it specifically
between you and this vicinity? Honestly, my advice stop trying

(39:34):
to confront it, and maybe when you see it, don't
go towards it and just start talking to it from
where you are, you know, instead of being like, hey,
you know, instart running after it and just be like,
I'd like to talk to you, is that okay?

Speaker 3 (39:49):
And see if.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
It'll what it does, you know, try to interact to
it with it from a distance and see if it
will do it, because obviously the other way isn't isn't helping.
But I know that there's a theory out there called
the Watchers. I haven't really read too much on it.
I don't know if this is one of it, one of.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
Them or whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Again, there there could be a watcher standing out in
my hallway right now watching me do this show, and
I would know, you know, could that be for all
of us?

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (40:25):
You know we always talk about the reapers and how
only when you're about to die do you ever get
to see them?

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Right?

Speaker 2 (40:31):
You know that that sort of thing is just is
this just one of those instances where you are the
only one who's going to be able to see this
figure when it shows up. And honestly, I know that
it's I don't want to say upsetting, because it doesn't
really seemed to so much be upsetting. It's more confusing.

(40:56):
Well let it, let's let him do his thing and
you to yours. If it's not going to engage you,
then you should be perfectly fine. It's probably gonna be
uncomfortable for a while, but I would just after three years,
you think you'd be used to it and just.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
I can move on with life. You're good, Yeah, I'm good,
You're up, all right? So I would find this to
be very unsettling, and I would be the guy who
would constantly be going after it. So yeah, I would.
There's no way I would just be like, it's okay,
you could just follow me around and follow me to

(41:36):
my new jobs. F that. I don't want any watcher
or any figure, right, I need to know why you're there,
if you're if you're like a guardian angel type thing, fantastic,
hang out cover my back whatever you need to be there.
There's a reason you need to be there. I don't
need to understand what that reason is. I'm okay with it.

(41:56):
If you're watching out for me because something's gonna happen
and you're gonna event that from happening, I'm totally fine
with you being around. If you're just a lurker and
it's been a couple of years, move on, go find
somebody else. I've had enough, I've seen you enough times.
Not interested in you being a part of my life.

(42:16):
Get the hell out of here. You know, I don't
know what you can do in that respect, because if
it is a watcher, I don't really know that you
can make it go away. You know, it would be
frustrating to be constantly trying to approach it and having
it disappear or fade away or duck behind something, and

(42:39):
then you go look to where it ducked behind and
there's nothing there. It would be frustrating, but I would
constantly I wouldn't be able to let it go. I
would constantly be going after it. So in that respect,
I hope it's a mental health issue. Could work through

(43:01):
it somehow, or take some meds and then stop seeing
it if it's really happening. I don't really have any advice.
I don't know how to get I don't I wouldn't
know how to get rid of something like that, and
I don't know if you can get rid of it.
And I guess the most important question to me that

(43:22):
I would ask would be does it look the same
every time you see it? Is this the same figure
every time? Is it the same color? Is it the
same shape? You know? Or are you seeing multiple entities? Right?
Because then if you're seeing multiple entities at least, then

(43:43):
we have a path that we can a door we
can open and start exploring what's happening. If it's the
exact same thing and you're seeing it multiple times for
three years and it's the exact same shape, exact same
oh you know, oh pake, the exact same color of
gray or the shade of black, same form, same distance

(44:08):
from you, then you've got an issue and he needs
some help. And I don't know what it is. I
don't think it's a reaper, because I don't think a
reaper is going to follow you around for three years. No,
I'm just using that as an example. Oh, I know
you were I'm just saying I don't think it's a reaper.

(44:30):
I would think it's more of a lurker or a watcher.
And if that's the case, I don't really have an
answer as to how you would remove that from your life.
Which might that might suck, that would be a bad
position to be in. I don't know that you could
get used to I don't know that I could get
used to that. I don't know that I could just

(44:50):
let it fade. I know you probably could. You'd probably
after a couple of years, you'd just be like, hey, whatever,
I don't give a shit.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
You do whatever you It probably wouldna take like a month,
and after a while I just been what's up?

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, and then with whatever you were doing, And three
years later, five years later, I'd still be like, get
up out of my chair and walk towards it.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Knowing me, I would start hurdling sarcastic comments at it.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
You probably would like that, like, don't you have nothing
better to do? Yeah? Like I would do that too,
but then I would I would still get up out
of my chair or get up and go and walk
towards it.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
So well, I mean, by that time, after a month
of it ducking away from you. You I think even
you would just stop.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
I don't know. I don't want to find out. Well,
no nobody does. I don't need that experience. I don't
want to do I don't want to have to deal
with that ship. So I'm too old for that. Yeah,
I'd say, if if it lets you see it at
a distance, then try communicating with it at a distance.
I would. I would guesstimate here that it's not anything

(45:55):
bad because if it was something bad, it wouldn't take
three It wouldn't be hanging out for three years in
your life. It would have already made some sort of
attempt to disrupt your life. So if your life is
going good, if things are good, if you're happy, if
your job's going good, your love life's going good, you

(46:15):
know you're successful in your work, ninety chance that it's
not anything bad. Yeah, I mean it's annoying, but it's
not evil. In air quotes, you.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Know, going on my you know, starting the year with
a nice left field, left field theory. You know, maybe
it's an interdimensional documentarian. You're going to be doing something
extraordinary and it's documenting your life.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
There you go, who knows? Does it have a hat?
Is he wearing a hat?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Honestly, person I thought as I was reading, I'm like,
I'm waiting for the hat.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
I know. Yeah, that's the follow up question. Doesn't have
any type of a hat on? When you see it?
Is there a hat? Does it look like a boiler hat?
Does it look like a you know, yeah, hat? Is
there something?

Speaker 2 (47:15):
The only thing about that is that man typically does
not stick around for three years, and he's not.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
At a distance. He's going to come up close and
personal one of those times.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
So uh, yeah, I would like to to I would
like to hear more. Would if it keeps happening, but
we shall we shall see.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
Yeah, I would too, So you know, I would like
to know too, Like you said, with everything being documented
in video these days, I would like to know if,
like if somehow you got a hold of a security tape,
if there was actually something like at the end of
the aisle at your job and you could actually see
something there, you know, that'd be very interesting and it

(48:06):
would go a long way to confirm that you're not mental. Okay,
moving on. I think something is attached to this doll. Well,
of course it is. It's a doll. I mean right
there and a question. I think I may have found
a haunted doll. I was in an old furniture store
and the doll was on a bed. I took a

(48:26):
picture and then walked away. On the way back by it,
I felt an odd pull towards the doll. It almost
felt like a little kid was wanting me to come over.
And upon further inspection, when I walked back, the doll
had moved closer to the edge of the bed. Sadly,
I had no time to get another picture. We were
the only people in the store, so I know that

(48:49):
no one moved it. Any idea is what it was
or if it was a haunted doll? Yep, it was
a haunted doll moved by itself to the edge of
the bed and wanted you to take it home. It
was a haunted doll that was not a child. It
was not a child's toy. It wasn't a child that

(49:12):
was wanted to come home with you. And if it was,
why the hell would you take home a haunted a
child spirit? Anyway? First of all, there are no such
things as child spirits. We're just gonna say it. We're
gonna start twenty twenty five with the truth. There are
no such thing as haunted.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Your truth, mister, sorry, your.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Truth, my truth. There is no such thing as as
child spirits. So if there was something attached to this doll,
thank the Lord that you didn't take it home, because
nothing good would have come from that. Maybe it didn't

(49:48):
like the fact you take a picture of it. I
would take a look at the picture, see if there's
anything going on in the picture. I don't know why
you didn't have time to take another picture. If you
had time to take one picture, why didn't you have
time to take another picture? I mean, was it like
cigarette break time you had to run outside and get
a smoke. I don't know. Was Were you disruptive in

(50:10):
the store and the store owner was kicking you out?
I mean, what was going on? So just be thankful
you didn't take the doll home. Was it haunted? I
have no idea. Seriously, on a serious note, here was
it haunted? Who knows? Did it move by itself? If
you didn't see it moved by itself, it didn't move
by itself. There's a rational answer for it. But you

(50:32):
shouldn't buy any doll and take it home from any
antique store or old store or old doll. Just let
it be. It doesn't need to be in your house.
There I spoke my piece. I pretty much agree.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Whether it's haunted or not, I think is irrelevant, or
whether it move by itself.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Why you got like I get the whole strange pole thing,
But all of a sudden, you're like, you know, I
feel it's a small child wants me, Like what Like
that just seems weird like that, like you would just
suddenly know or have an impression that there's a spirit
in this doll. And did you get that impression before

(51:21):
you even saw it move, because yeah, it almost felt
like a little kid wanted me to come over. And
then upon further inspection, so you got this feeling that
it was like a little girl before you even went
over there and saw that it had may or may.

Speaker 3 (51:37):
Not have moved.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
And that almost leads me to believe that you primed
yourself for it. Like you saw this doll, you're like,
that's creepy looking. I wonder if it's haunted, Like you
already had that idea in your head. I mean so
much so that you took a photo of it. Who
takes a photo of a doll, a random doll in
an old furniture store. Like, why what was so special

(52:03):
about this doll that you were like, I take a
photo of this and show my friend, Like, why it's
an old doll in an old furniture store. M h,
well that's you.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
I just that should be everybody.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Again your truth. But but honestly, I think you. I
think you wanted it to happen so much like you
that you did this, You did it all to yourself.
I don't I don't think there's probably anything at all
going on with this doll.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
I think that you.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I think you just primed yourself and you created this thing,
and you wanted to believe it's so bad. And you know,
it could be you know, somebody walking you walking past
the doll. Maybe it fell over. I mean, I don't
know how the doll was positioned. Uh, you know, it
could have just been your imagination. Maybe you forgot where

(53:04):
it was sitting. Obviously, if you had enough time to
open up your camera, look at the photo and compare
the two, you had no more time to take the
photo again and compare the two.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
I'm guessing it was probably on the phone. Of course,
I would guess so, right, that's all. Not too many
people walk around with cameras these days, so I would
guess it was like on their phone. And if you
had time to take one picture on your phone, you're
sure shit had time to take another picture on your.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Phone, especially if you're like, this thing moved and I'm
going to bring up my old photo that I just
took it to compare the two.

Speaker 3 (53:35):
Right, ten seconds ago? Right? Yeah, and seconds ago whatever point?
Don't we don't have time to take a phone exactly. Yeah,
you probably walked off where it's going on here, I
better not document it.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Yeah, you probably took fifteen selfies that day, but not
the second photo of.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
This dollar of the haunted doll that beckoned you to
take it home.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Yeah, So I think it's either a you made up
the story or two you psyched yourself out.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
You watched Annabelle the night before and you wanted something
to happen, and then the employee that you didn't know
that was on the floor tidying things up, saw you
take the picture and make a comment about doesn't that
doll look creepy? And then when you walked down the
aisle and went and turned the corner they ran over
and they moved a doll to the edge of the
bed and positioned it and then went back to doing

(54:33):
what they were doing, and when you walked back, you
saw it and freaked out, because I would do something
like that, Like if I was in the store and
I heard somebody talking about, oh my god, look at
that creepy doll, and they were taking pictures of it,
and then they walked away, I would sneak over there
and move the dollar to a different position and then
go back to what I was doing. And then on

(54:53):
the chance that you would walk back and show it
to somebody and be like, this is the dollar. It
was sitting up on the pillar before and now it's
hanging on the edge of the bed.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Actually, that whole scenario is incorrect. You wouldn't You would
not have done that at all, because there's no way
in hell any store that you're like in charge of
would have that doll there in the first place.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Well, you're absolutely right there, Yeah, there'd be no doll whatsoever.
So that scenario, that scenario would never have had.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
If it's a haunted pickup truck, you know, like a
little little a little figurine.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
Or something like that if it's or something that to
be in the store. But if it's a haunted dollar,
it ain't going to be in the store exactly. So
let's just stick on the chair absolutely. I mean you
could have a hand. I'd have a haunting rocking chair
in the in the store. Would be great, somebody just
sitting in a rocking back and forth. People think it
was like some mechanical thing. No, it's not so. Uh

(55:55):
one more if you want to, Yeah, let's do one more.
Your pick? Oh what is my pick? Isn't it you?

Speaker 2 (56:03):
I know?

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Today?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
So let's see here. I'm gonna take this one just
because one I don't like. Uh, well, all right, long shot.
But have you ever encountered people who were like you
in uncanny ways? Yeah, they're called trendsetters.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Hello.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Uh, this is gonna be really hard to describe what
I mean, But I'm talking about a person who seems
almost like you would be if you had been born
in a different body and circumstances, as if they were
a different gender, age, race, whatever, but you're running the
same software. This has happened to me a handful of

(56:43):
times over the years. Sometimes I think about the theory
of the human body as a receiver with consciousness being
transmitted from elsewhere. Tonight, it just occurred to me, what
if the same consciousness was received by more than one individual.
That might explain it. I'm not trying to set out
a formal declaration or hypothesis, hypothesis, just musing. I think

(57:10):
you're thinking too much. I think you're trying to look
for things that aren't all that like in I do
want to say important, but I'll say, let's say important.
But people tend to gravitate towards people like themselves, you know,

(57:36):
same sense of humor, same moral same religion, you know,
or whatever. We a lot of us have the same
the same traits as a lot of other people. I mean,
you're you're, you know, Dave and I have the same
type of sense of humor, you know, a lot of

(57:58):
the same passions. And you know, if you talk to
if you talk to Sina, see, this is one of
those times where you just want to hit the AD
button and pop scene in.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Right, because she would tell you that we're related and
we have been for since the beginning of time, well well,
that we we've been in each other's lives.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Exactly, that all of like the people in our past
lives come back, right, like everyone on my paranormal team
I've had past lives with, or maybe not so much
as this one, the current one. But like when Sam
and Haley and Lauren and Scott and Cameron.

Speaker 3 (58:35):
You know that a lot of people, a lot of
people in my life.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
I have met in past lives and we gravitate towards
each other. Ah. We could also go with the theory
of the fragmented soul. Maybe it is possible that certain
pieces of yourself through through time and all of your
you know, different uh, all your different pastimes you started

(59:06):
being put into I guess different, you start to become
whole your own person.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
There we go, there we go.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
And plus Dave can't wrap his hat around this one,
but the whole like there's multiple of you in the
same lifetime. I think that's what I was just saying. Anyways,
But ye, and that's why you can't wrap your hat
around because you want to do a show on that, right.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Yeah, somewhere down the line here in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Okay, so there's a lot of different things, but I
would have to know a more so than just your
generic wording, like specific examples like what, I had a
lot of people in my life that have the same
kind of sense of humor or the same type of
generosity or or whatever, or the same type of morals

(01:00:05):
and ethics and hard working and stuff like that. I
don't think that it's uncanny that that happens. I don't
know that I would think that it would be uncanny
if you thought you were a horrible person.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
And like you're like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Can't believe these people have the same type of morals
as I do. Like, if you're a good person, you
would want to surround yourself with good people, and those
good people are going to have the same type of personality,
sense of humor, whatever as you do. So I guess
I just I don't know what makes it uncanny. Maybe
I should just maybe I should have started with that,

(01:00:44):
But that's where I'm gonna leave it, and just beyond
what I said, I don't know what actually makes it uncanny.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
All right, So I'm gonna take this from a different perspective, Right,
So this individual is kind of saying, I'm visualizing this
gig antique transmitting dish is sending out a beacon, and
they're saying that this beacon's going to hit X amount
of people and all and those X amount of people

(01:01:15):
are all going to be the same. And I don't
think that that is true. I think that human consciousness
is like a snowflake, No two are alike. What would
explain the meeting somebody who is very similar to you is,

(01:01:37):
just like Mike was explaining, is just similar lifestyles. Right
if you grew up in a very similar situation at
and people that were, you know, within roughly the same
age of you, and you grew up in the same household,
and you you know, let's just say you had great
parents that loved you, You sat down to dinner every

(01:01:59):
night at the kitchen table. You had personal great values
because your parents did, and you grew up and you
listened to them, and you had loving grandparents, and you
had a great lie and you know, and everything was
just really nice. And then you met other people that
had values like you have, and as you got to
know them, they were raised the exact same way. That

(01:02:22):
does not make you a duplicate. You're not being you
don't have the same consciousness. You're just similar, that's all.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna take this and I'm glad
you picked this one because I'm gonna move on to
something that I've been thinking about. So we talk about

(01:02:46):
frequency all the time. We talk about vibrational levels all
the time. Right, Demonic spirits, negative entities have a low
vibrational level, high angels, guardian angels higher like a How
do I word this the right way? Human individuals that

(01:03:07):
have abilities usually have a higher vibrational level. People that
can help other people have a higher vibrational level. So
if that's the case, could that vibrational level be likened

(01:03:31):
to a frequency like we talk about with bineural audio. Right,
So let's just say that there is a frequency that
certain people can hear or can understand that other people

(01:03:51):
can't understand. And what if that frequency allows you to
experience paranormal things. It'd be a very simple answer to
the fact that people say, I've never had a paranormal

(01:04:12):
experience in my life, and I don't believe in it,
and ghosts aren't real, and there is no afterlife, and
the earth is flat and God doesn't exist. Right, that
group of people, and then you'd have the group of
people that for the past three years have seen a
shadow figure down the aisle from them. The same group

(01:04:34):
of people that are sitting on their bed and feel
something set down next to them, right, The same group
of people that see a pair of legs walking across
the floor in a basement. The same people that hear
the ladies say, have a seat there, right? I mean, so,
is there a frequency that we're tuned into, that certain

(01:04:59):
people are tuned into where we experience things that other
people can't experience.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
It? Uh, it goes right along.

Speaker 3 (01:05:15):
It was right along a long question for that's a
good question for a show down the road. Is there
a frequency that like? Is that a possible explanation for
people that don't experience things and people that experience things? Probably?

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
Uh, because I was about to say, it goes right
along my theory of when people are asking questions through
the frequency of their voice matter. You know, when I
when I talk and ask the question, can they actually
hear me as opposed to Scott, who's got you know,
a different tone and a different frequency to his voice.

(01:05:54):
Can they hear Scott and Cameron more than more than
they can hear me? You know that that sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
I know that I know that as far as EVPs go,
when you catch an EVP. It's in a frequency range
that the human ear can't perceive, which is why we
don't usually hear EVPs live. Right now, you and I
both know we've heard disembodied voices, right, I mean multiple

(01:06:25):
multiple times. I've heard disembodied voices response, intelligent responses, somebody
answering the question, something answering the question, that is in
the room with us, that is listening to us, that
understands what we're talking about and has responded to us
and actually set it to so that I could hear them.
But that is a rare occurrence that does not happen

(01:06:48):
very frequently. Usually it's caught on a EVP, and it's
caught on it on a digital recorder or on a cassette,
you know, going back to old school, because the freequency
of that voice is outside the range of human hearing,
because we hear twenty to twenty you know, that's what

(01:07:10):
they say. Although I'm deaf on the high end. I
don't hear the high ends anymore. But it's interesting, you know,
too many concerts, But it's interesting to think that maybe
there is something to do with frequency. And I've been
thinking more and more and more about that we're gonna
have to do. We're gonna have to explore that down
the road this year because I really think, and I'm

(01:07:34):
really disappointed like that Skinwalker Ranch hasn't done more with sound.
Forget the missiles, forget the rockets, forget the laser light
shows and the drones. Right, You've had phenomenal things happen

(01:07:57):
when you're doing sound work on the ranch. Why aren't
you doing more sound work? It just makes me It's
just one example. I'm not saying that they need to
run out and do that. It's just one example. You know.
I think that tonal frequency. I think that that's a

(01:08:18):
legitimate thing, you know, And I don't know, I could
be completely insane and way off course, or I could
have I could have just nailed it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
I think you're way off course, not in your thinking,
just in your where you're going from where you were.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Yeah. Probably, Shall we get to our two, Dave, Yeah,
let's get to our two. I think. But we're going
to explore that more as we move forward this year,
because I think that that's I think there's something there.
I think that it's a great idea. Yeah, I think
frequency has something to do with it. Maybe that is.

(01:08:55):
That'd be a good question for like Kathy when we
have Kathy back on this year. Gotcha? All right? So Orsino,
you know, let's or Jody be interested with Jody thinks about.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
That too, perhaps, Ah, all right, let's get to your
stupid drones. Drones, they're not stupid, stupid, I hate the
story whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:09:22):
All right, So before we get there, I want to
I want to start with the other thing first, So
we'll end with drones. So okay, So I've been seeing
this more and more frequently and it's just rubs me

(01:09:43):
the wrong way, and so I need to talk about it.
People that go to locations that are haunted, all right,
they I understand. There needs to be rules and regulations, right,
There needs to be some guidelines. If I owned a

(01:10:05):
haunted location, pick your favorite, right Waverley for our Eastern
State Penitentiary, West Virginia Penitentiary, whatever, I don't care. Go
wherever you want to go. But there needs to be
guidelines as far as what you should and shouldn't do,

(01:10:25):
as far as what energy you're bringing in there. Don't
bring a weedi board, don't try to do conjuring, don't
do witchcraft, and try to open a portal or ale.
But those are those are for the most part, those
are logical things. Those are things that that common sense
would tell you not to do when you're going to

(01:10:45):
a location that's had a ton of tragedy or a
ton of negative energy. But this one, this one kind
of got me as I was kind of just reading
through things. And so this individual, and I'm not gonna
name who it is, went to the Conjuring House. And

(01:11:07):
that's a whole can of worms in itself. But so
the Conjuring House, right, they went there, They didn't have
any real experiences. They said that their daughter saw maybe
something out of the corner of her eye, but other
than that, nothing really happened. Right, So they did the tour,

(01:11:31):
learned a lot about the house and story, read the
book about the parents, blah blah blah blah blah. And
I'm gonna read this verbatim. At one point, I noticed
money everywhere on tables, on the mantle, et cetera. The
guide explained that it was so the spirits don't follow
you home. Okay, I'm gonna read that again. So I

(01:11:54):
noticed money everywhere on the tables, the mantle, et cetera.
The guide at Conjuring House explained that it was so
spirits don't follow you home, to which I said, sorry, spirits,
I'm broke. All right. After the true we were allowed
to go on our own inside. Blah blah blah. They

(01:12:15):
went in the basement, they did this, they did that,
they went all around the house. Nothing creepy, she said.
She goes on to say, I wish I had put
a dollar down and donated it to the spirits because
we've had nothing but bad luck hit our house. And

(01:12:41):
after talking with many paranormal investigators, they agreed it was
probably an attachment. And I'm shaking my head and rolling
my eyes. For those of you who are listening and
not watching this, I'm just going to read these. Husband

(01:13:03):
and I in an accident in the parking lot. T
boned by somebody running a red light. Husband hospitalized with
kidney failure. This is okay. November eleventh, Husband and I
accident in the parking lot. Ten grand worth of damage.
That's a lot of damage in a parking lot. I mean,

(01:13:25):
what were you doing one hundred and fifty miles an
hour through Target? Maybe they had a Bentley Jesus Christ
December eighth, t boned by somebody running a red light
hit my jeep. It was a total write off. Whiplash
injury incurred. December fourteenth, husband hospitalized kidney failure. We all
got sick with the flu, drained no energy, no cougher,

(01:13:46):
stomach issues, just could not get out of bed. December
twenty fifth. Husband back in the hospital. December twenty sixth,
the daughter was rammed by a drunk driver and the
vehicle was stolen, destroyed. Her jeep was hurt again with
whiplash and pain and bruising and a leg issues. Spent
the day in the hospital. Had somebody tell me to

(01:14:11):
bless the house and had people say prayers. We did,
and now it's quiet. I'm not going to say what
I want to say, but I'm going to say this.
Say what you want to say. Just leave out the expletives.
That's what I can't do, because I can't say it
without leaving without explotives in there. The fact that you

(01:14:33):
did not leave a dollar at the conjuring house had
absolutely nothing to do with your string of bad luck.
And I don't know what paranormal investigators you spoke to,
but you did not bring home an attachment from the
conjuring house because you didn't leave money. The only reason

(01:14:56):
that you would have brought home an attachment from the
conjuring house is because you were an ass at the
conjuring house and did something that pissed off a spirit
at the house and they followed you home because they
were angry at what you did and they caused your
life to be disrupted in a negative way. But leaving

(01:15:16):
money had nothing to do with it. And this is
the dumbest thing that I have seen in probably the
last decade. And I know I'm going to talk about
this more and more and more, but I'm gonna let
it rest for now, and I'm let you throw your
two cents in there, because shit like this is just

(01:15:39):
the reason why the paranormal, legitimate paranormal investigators have a
hard time, like having intelligent conversations with outside of our
group with people because of shit like this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
It's just stupid. It's not leaving money.

Speaker 3 (01:16:07):
Spirits don't need money, good God, unless unless you're at
the house and you don't leave a dollar and you
get stopped at the door and you can't walk through
the door, and you turn around and there's an entity
there with its hand out. Then throw a five spot
in the hand, throw a fin right in that hand,

(01:16:30):
and say sorry, I had other things on my mind.
Here's five bucks, right, use it wisely. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
If it's the holiday season and you walk up to
the Conjuring House and there's a you know, three hundred
year old spirit ringing a salvation army bell, right, show.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Throw it in the kettle, right, throw twenty bucks in
the kettle. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
When Day first sent this to me, it was just's like,
I want to talk about this, And at first I
didn't know exactly why, like what your angle was, and
so my response was just simply like, is it to
talk about how the fact that spirits are not going
to try to exploit you for money?

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Partly? Yeah, because here's my thing. This is new.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Like if you go back to the previous owners and
back from from when you know it was even allowed
to be investigator, money was never an issue, Like there
was no like you need to leave a dollar, but
you won't be an attachment. It's not until this current
non paranormal type person bought the house that everything with

(01:17:51):
the Conjuring House has gone to shit. And it's it's
because it's being turned into not a historical location where
people come in and interact with the spirits there. It's
become we need money, and that's our goal, that's our
We need profit, we need money. I would not doubt

(01:18:11):
for a second that all of the money like disappears
at the end of the day or the end of
the week and gets divided up between the staff. You know,
it's tips. Money has nothing to do with it anything
dealing with the paranormal. You will ever find a single

(01:18:32):
eff in place around the entire world where a spirit
is like, you need to leave me money or I'm
going to haunt you and ruin your life.

Speaker 3 (01:18:44):
Never.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
You're never going to find that anywhere except obviously the
Conjuring House. Now, Dave and I have talked about curses before,
which is what this seems to be, and how curses
are very very often self inflated.

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
Mm hmm. So you went here.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
It's kind of like the people taking the wood from
the forest, they take it home. All of a sudden,
bad luck starts, starts to happen, or one bad thing happens,
and it starts the spiral of you doing it to
yourself because you're under the belief that you are Now

(01:19:24):
I mean, you're you're obviously part of the paranormal. You know,
you started your story by the fact that you went
to a convention to all of these great people. You
went to the conjuring house. You obviously you say, you
talk to advant So you have all this paranormal background.
So you got into one accident, which happens. It happens.

(01:19:44):
People get into accidents all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
Every day. People get into accidents.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
But you took it and you're like, oh my god,
bad things are now happening.

Speaker 3 (01:19:53):
What could this be? Why did this happen?

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
And now you started doing going down the road, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Going down the rabbit hole. Almost all of these.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Are I mean you're either your husband has medical issues.
People can have medical issues, and over and over again.
I mean, you won't believe how many people, Like one
person gets the flu and then the whole household gets
the flu or a cold.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
I'm like, or COVID. You don't have any energy and
get out of bed. But you're not COVID, not the flu,
right right, You just get your ass knocked down because
I've had it where you can't get out, You just
don't have the energy to do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, I mean, in a drunk driver in
a stolen vehicle is going to hit somebody.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
I think that's just.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
A guarantee that's just gonna happen. I'm sorry it was
your daughter's going to hit something? Yes, yes, so.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
And again, you obviously have a lot of things with jeeps.
Jeeps as.

Speaker 2 (01:21:00):
None of this, like nothing here says like we had
activity in our home, or doors are opening and closing,
or we were seeing figures at the end of our
None of this has anything to do with the paranormal.
And I think you're attributing this to the paranormal because
it all happened after you went to the conjuring house.

(01:21:24):
And I know Dave says there's notes of things, coincidences.
I'm going to say right here, this is a coincidence
that that that this happened. I don't think you even
had an attachment. I think the paranormal investigators are that
you're talking about are probably ghost hunters and think every
single thing probably has a paranormal explanation to it. Oh,
you went to the conjury house. You didn't leave a dollar.

(01:21:44):
Oh my god, you must have an attachment because that's
what the game. I can't because you didn't leave money?

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
What were you think? Because that's what light yourself on fire.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
I would like the documentation of why that's a thing,
Like why can this coor guide say if you don't
leave you, people leave money so they don't get followed home?
Where did that even come from?

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Greed?

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:22:11):
Human greed?

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Well, right, I know that that's the actual answer, right,
But I'm saying, what is the paranormal basis to that claim?

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
Absolutely nothing?

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
That's what I want to know. I want to know
the paranormal basis to that claim?

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Absolutely nothing. Who had an.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Attachment from the from the the from the contrary house
and you got an VP that said should have left money?

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
Right, I want to hear it. I did too, Like,
I want to know where that came from? Right? I mean, like,
I'm gonna go there and I'm not going to leave money,
and I guarantee you I'm not going to have an attachment.
I'm just going to walk in the door, walk around
the house, take a few pictures, walk out, I guarantee you,

(01:22:56):
and I'm not going to leave any money. And I
guarantee you I will not have an attachment. Now, if
I walk in the house and I do something like this,
and I'm going to read this had a similar issue
at the Hinsdale House, had been there several times and
wanted to push the experience, so I wore a priest
outfit and was playing a Latin exorcism out loud. Within

(01:23:25):
the next few months, I was sick, hold my car
hitting a deer, my father in law passed away, and
two of my pets died. Again. I'm not laughing. The
people have these things die and I'm laughing it. No, no, right, no, no, no, no,
I understand that, right, I think aren't our listeners are

(01:23:45):
intelligent enough to understand that too. That is a perfect
example of you getting your ass handed to you by
a spirit that didn't like the shit you did when
you went to a place that was haunted. If I
were a spirit and I was at the Hinsdale House,
and I don't even think the Hinsdale House is haunted,
to be honest with you, I think it's whatever. I

(01:24:07):
don't want to criticize Hinsdale House. I've never been there. Yeah,
I've never been there, so I'm not going to say
anything negative about it, all right, So anyway, I think
if you went to any haunted location if I was
a spirit that Let's just say that I was at
Eastern State Penitentiary and I was a really bad individual, right,
killed women and children just for the pleasure of a

(01:24:32):
tortured animal whatever, Okay, And I was just a really
really bad human being. And you walked into my cell
and you made some comment about how I wasn't such
a bad guy, or wasn't a tough guy, or you know,
something along those lines. You said something derogatory about.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Me, or you dressed up like a guard and you know, try.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
To write exactly, yeah right, yeah, right, And you came
in with your night stick and said you were going
to kick my ass it beat me with a night
stick like you normally. Do you know, I might take
offense to that, and I might follow you home. And
if I was and if I was a bad individual
in life, and I still carried those traits with me

(01:25:17):
and I had not moved on for whatever reason, but
I didn't like you because of what you did, I
might follow you home, and I might disrupt your life
if I had the ability to do it, I might
cause you to have illnesses and sicknesses. And if I
had the ability to affect things, you loved, I might
kill your pets. That might happen. I'm not saying that

(01:25:40):
it doesn't happen. It could happen, But you asked for
it to happen. Because you walked into the house in
a priest outfit, playing a Latin exorcism. You are provoking
the shit out of whatever is there. That is an
experience that right there is an example of Yes, could

(01:26:00):
something negative happen to you? Sure it could. Could you
have a string of bad luck after something like that?
Sure it could. But because you didn't leave a dollar
at the conjuring house, are you going to have bad luck?
Absolutely not. And I can't even believe that somebody took
the time to write about that, you know, I mean,

(01:26:25):
oh well, it's just it's the fifteen minutes of fame
in our society. Again. I don't even know if it's that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:32):
I just think it's the people who they want to
believe in the parent normals so much that they're they're
willing to take anything. I mean, this is why, you know,
I've always said that, you know, it's the way you
handle yourself in an investigation that makes you an investigator,
Because there there I actually I went to a buddy

(01:26:55):
of my eye used to be a former investigator of mine.
Him and I share the same birthday to his party
and he brought over one of his relatives to meet
me and saying how interested he is in the paranormal.
And I was really impressed with the guy because he says,
I don't think i'd have the gonatz.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
To do it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
And I'm like, thank you for being like self not
self appreciated, but I mean like self realization that you
know that this is not for you. And because anything
that happened, if it has any sort of you have
a thought in your head that it's paranormal, it's instantly

(01:27:37):
going to be paranormal. It's why everything's a demon even
though it's not, because people want it to be so badly.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
And I don't know if it's so much.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Of fifteen, you know, the fifteen minutes of fame, but
I think this was a self grandizing Look what happened
to me because of the paranormal type of you know,
story or gripe right, and nine times on time, I'm
not I can't say that this person obviously didn't deserve

(01:28:07):
any of this bad luck.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
She didn't. Nobody does.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
But the person who walked into the Hinsdale house, as
you said, with the got what he was asking for
and got it raised up the tent, right, I mean,
David and I for almost eight years now, I have
preached be careful what you ask for, you're gonna get
it right. And I think when that when we say that,

(01:28:32):
people think like, I'll get pushed or I'll get you
all have a scratch, and like, no, they will f
your life up if you do it too badly.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
And if they could kill you, they will, right, if
they're that angry and they're that powerful and they want
to negatively affect you in a way like that cause
you to have a heart attack. We've talked about this
in the past two Right, nobody's ever died from the
paranormal bullshit, they haven't. That's a total lie.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Unfortunately, as they have, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
They have, right, people die of heart attacks. And said
that there's no way that that that a powerful entity
hasn't taken a human life before. Absolutely they have. Is
it documented, No, because we're not. We're not looking for that.
But as it happened, Absolutely it has. I'd bet you'd

(01:29:23):
beat You'd be stupid to think that it didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
There one of my favorite unsolved mysteries called the Hope,
the Hope Curse, the Black Hole, the Black the Black
Hope Curse. Okay, and it takes place in California, I believe.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
But anyway, Uh, they had a huge stream of bad luck.
There was a plot. They knew people were buried in
the backyard, and they couldn't get anything to grow. And
no matter how much they filled in like this plot
of land, it would sink to like an impression of
a coffin.

Speaker 3 (01:30:05):
Where did you see the sun? The Sun Solved Mysteries.
I think I saw this episode. I think I probably
showed it to you. I think you probably did, yeap,
because it's all prevery familiar.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
Yeah, and they couldn't get the city to do anything
because they had no proof that there were bodies. So
the owner's daughter, perfectly healthy, thirty two year old I
think maybe even younger than that, was like fine, I
will show you know, and started digging a hole and

(01:30:37):
within a couple hours had a heart attack and died.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
Yep. So yeah, it happens. It happens absolutely. I mean,
I just want to say, the person who who boasted this,
I'm looking at their page, there's pictures of dust particles
taken with a cam ruh and they're talking about this,

(01:31:02):
how this experience like that that was like a ghost
that they were interacting with and it's clearly dust particles
taken out of the field. Yeah, well there are orbs.
We have seen orbs, of course, I mean we've seen
we saw orbs at the one of my favorite locations

(01:31:24):
that that it took Mike to that Mike gloves down to.
So I mean we we've took in pictures there. There's
clearly there was one that somebody who didn't like me
because I was being a little vocal and uh there's
a picture of a ball of energy with clearly a
lady's face in it that is pissed off of me.

(01:31:48):
It happens, you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
Know, So speaking uh of, we're going to move on
to another story. Yeah, it's already even so, but sticking
with the whole just you need to be careful of
what you're doing. So this actually happened.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
Right at the end of the year. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
One of my one of my friends posted it and
I didn't read it until I saw it showed up
at my feet the day it happened. Actually, Yeah, so
two men out in Portland, Oregon. They're in the woods
searching for Sasquatch.

Speaker 3 (01:32:34):
I think it was a day after Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
They started the the investigation on Christmas day after the
after No, they've been missing for three days. Yeah, yeah,
So they went out looking for Bigfoot and after three days,
one of the relatives, after they did, these two men

(01:32:59):
did not come home. Uh, launched you know, reported the
missing and launched a huge a search in the.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
Gifford PICCOCKI I know, National Forest.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
You're gonna have to excuse me my pronunciation. But they
had sixty volunteers they went out, including drones and a
Coastguard helicopter. All went out searching for him. Found the
two men passed away, and the statement was that both

(01:33:40):
deaths appeared to be due to exposure based on weather
conditioned and illed preparedness, which goes to me, which leads
me to believe that these guys are like, you know what,
I think this would be really cool to do. Let's
go out and try this like that. It's not that
they're not woodsmen, they're not campers, or they would they

(01:34:02):
would check the weather and dressed appropriately or brought the
correct the correct stuff thirty seven and fifty nine or
their ages. So I mean, no matter what you do,
whether it's cryptid, whether it's supernatural, whether it's looking for UFOs,

(01:34:26):
if you don't know what you're doing, either A, don't
do it, or B go out with people who do
you know? Go out with well camped people.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
I don't even know that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
An outdoorsman. There we go, Thank you. That's the word
I was looking for, the outdoorsman. Go out with an outdoorsman,
Go with the tracker. Go with somebody who has done
it many many times and understands the need to dress appropriately,
or you're not going to make it back. But here's
the the bottom thing. The last couple like two paragraphs

(01:35:05):
I thought were really interesting, and it has nothing to
do with with these guy's death, which obviously is tragic
and it should not have happened.

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Let me read this to you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
There have been so many alleged sightings of sasquatch that
that some communities have taken measures to protect the hairy
mythical creature in Scotmania County, Scamania County, I think that's
how you pronounced it. Scamania County, Washington, Yeah, which is
where this this, uh, these death has happened. Where the

(01:35:37):
pair went missing, a person could get a year in
jail or a one thousand dollars fine if one of
the folklore creatures is harmed. So if people were to
come back with a dead big Foot with a shot
in his head, they would be put in jail and
find for it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:56):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (01:36:00):
You just liter you were reading something. I was sorry.
I wanted to reaction, Dave, and I didn't. Okay, all right,
say it again. Sorry, Holy crap, you didn't even hear me. No,
I did.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
I got fixated on something after you said the county.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:36:21):
Sorry, it's all right.

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
You're just missing the most important part of that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
I did miss the most important part because I saw
you glance at me like you were waiting for a response,
and I was, yeah, give you a response. Inmania County, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Where the pair went missing, a person could get a
year in jail or one thousand dollars fine if one
of the folklore creatures is harmed. They put laws into
place to protect bigfoot.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
I think that's fair. I think that's amazing. I think
that's great because right there they're admitting to the fact
that they believe that exist. Very true, right, I mean,
that's that's a total We're protecting this species from people
who want to go out and harm them, right, mm hmm.

(01:37:13):
I think that's it. I'm just gonna say, like I've
said to one hundred times, probably a thousand times. Right,
You're not gonna see Bigfoot unless Bigfoot wants you to
see them, yep. And you're not going to experience a
ghost unless a ghost wants you to see him, unless
it's residual and you just happen to be in the
right place at the right time. But you're not going
to have an intelligent interaction with the spirit unless there's
a reason why it wants to interact with you, good

(01:37:37):
or bad, good or bad, right, I mean, it's just
you know, interaction. So and I think, you know, with
Bigfoot being an interdimensional being, and I know that's my
personal view on it, but that's kind of how I feel.
Is that that that's why you don't find any remains,
and that's why you know people are like, well, there's
no you know, there's no bones. How do you know.

(01:38:00):
I mean, there's only a handful of them, and you
know there's hundreds of millions of acres of really rugged terrain.
I mean, how do you know, Maybe it's like the
elephant graveyard. Like we never knew there was an elephant
graveyard until somebody stumbled upon it, right where elephants in
the wild go to the same spot to die, which

(01:38:23):
is very interesting in itself, not paranormal, but very interesting.
And maybe Bigfoot's the same way. You know, maybe there's
a Bigfoot graveyard and maybe someday we will find it.
Maybe someday somebody will haphazardly stumble upon it, and then
it's going to be earth shattering. You know. The only
problem with that is somebody's going to swoop in and

(01:38:45):
collect all the remains and there won't be any proof
for the public, because that's just the way society is.
It'll be in some museum somewhere at the Smithsonian in
the basement, tucked away in a box. Oh yeah, that's
just how it'll be. Like we'll never actually see it,
Like it won't be on display like the Titanic. It

(01:39:07):
won't be touring the country.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
Uh, you know, hold on, I'm sorry, I'm not laughing
at what you were saying. Sorry, I still had up
the conjuring house story on my thing and I was
kind of just neandering lee scrolling down, and I thought

(01:39:30):
this was two weeks ago. So uh, somebody said, sadly
the house is closed.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
To the public. Now I saw that too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Did you read the the subsequent ones, the ones that
came after. So I heard the some tours were happening.
But new owner is a little bit strange. Pretty sure that?
Pretty sure the new owners are possessed. You should see
the video of the owner getting pulled over for the
d UI.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Oh my god, I saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
There is definitely something wrong with her. Where can you
see that video? I was so sad when they sold
the home. I follow the daughter named blah blah blah,
and then I guess there is actually body cam footage
on YouTube of the conjuring house owner getting arrested.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
I is this the same lady that was going head
to head with Jake? I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
I didn't hear because that was that was a woman too,
and I didn't hear that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
If people don't know, did Jason Hawes from taps this
lady was attacking him, blaming him for things that were
going on at the conjuring house.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
Well, not only that, but like Tory, his daughter, and Cody.
They were they were tour guides there. Ye, and she
just absolutely there there.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
There is a show. You could find it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
I think it's I believe it's a YouTube that you
find it on Jay's page if you want to go back.
This probably a year and a half ago now, but
he had like a two hour a two hour show
like a live show that he did that I watched
that had Tory and Cody and Jason and a couple
of the other tour guides from the Conjuring House just

(01:41:21):
talking about that whole debacle and and what you said,
like the owner just blaming them for everything and lying
and and Jason is just like I got the text messages, lady.

Speaker 3 (01:41:34):
Yeah, I actually read them.

Speaker 2 (01:41:38):
Yeah, and he reads them and the posts them and
and yeah it's I don't I never heard that she
resold it, So I think it's probably the same owner person.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
Yeah. Yeah, So.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Yeah, you might want even though it's it's not necessarily
open to the public, I would, uh just stay clear
at the Conjuring House for a while. Uh, you know,
maybe give the spirits there a little time to spend
their money on Amazon.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
Yeah, they go shop and right pick up some pizzas,
pizza and beer on a Friday night. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
So if you guys show up to the Conjuring House
for a tour and there's like four or five Amazon
packages on the doorstep, fine leave.

Speaker 3 (01:42:21):
Them a dollar.

Speaker 2 (01:42:22):
Yeah, but chances are you're not.

Speaker 3 (01:42:23):
Going to find that. We would be interesting if you
can even get in there.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
Well that's yeah, that's what I right when when it reopens.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
And here's the interesting thing too, write I have seen
a lot of film footage from the Conjuring House, and
I think that I legitimately believe that when the parents
were there, that something happened to the mom. I believe that.

(01:42:57):
I do believe that. I believe there's just many eyewitness claims.
Other people were there and saw the warrens were there,
they witnessed it happen. There were other people there witnessed
it happened, things happening that documented those things happening. Again,

(01:43:18):
I think that whatever was there was there specifically for
that person, for the mother. I don't know that necessarily
that the Conjuring House is still haunted, you know what

(01:43:38):
I mean? Like, I think that at any location, at
any time, an entity, if there's an entity in the area.
If you if for some reason you do something that
draws in an entity and then that entity doesn't like

(01:43:58):
you or you conjured it, so to speak, right, play
on the words, right, you conjured this thing to be there,
and then it shows up and you were supposed to
fulfill something and you didn't. This thing is going to

(01:44:20):
screw with your life. And maybe that's what happened. But
I don't think after watching the the documentary and the
Conjuring House, absolutely nothing happened after watching the the house

(01:44:40):
and I and I don't even want to say what
house it was, but you know what I'm talking about
where the ball fell down the stairs. Ye twelve years
or whatever, it was twelve years of investigating that house. Uh,
and they and they've got like two things that that
are paranormal after twelve years. The house isn't haunted. That's

(01:45:04):
it's not haunted. Right. If you want to go someplace
that has activity that's haunted, we could we could tell
you some places where you could go that are haunted,
where you you know that legitimately there there's activity there
and spirits there. Go to West Virginia State Penitentiary, right, Yeah,

(01:45:26):
the place is haunted. You know, if you're up in
Rush City, go to the hotel, right that place has activity, yeah,
you know, and there's a lot of places that do.
And I'm sure that Waverley does too. But when you
go to places like that where there was a lot
of death like Waverley, and a lot of things happening

(01:45:49):
and experimental type of medical procedures, I think that that
leaves a stain. And we've talked about that many times
too on the show. Is that there's a stain that's
left because of stuff like that. I think that, and
I can't remember it's the one in Michigan, the big
hospital in Michigan where they were one of the first
places to do lobotomies. I think that at a location

(01:46:12):
like that, there's gonna be a lot of residual energy,
and I think there's gonna be some intelligent energy left
there as well, you know, so that's gonna be a
haunted location. I don't know that a place like the
Conjuring House. I just think the Conjuring House, because of
the movie, was made into something more than it really was,

(01:46:34):
you know, for the guy and his wife that bought it,
that wanted to live there with their kids, and then
they couldn't because their kids because things were happening, you know,
and then their kids couldn't take it. I don't know.
Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't. Maybe this maybe there
is something there. Maybe it didn't like that family move

(01:46:54):
and then, you know, I don't know. Maybe it's affecting
the current owner. Maybe maybe why she seems to be
nuts is because whatever is there is making her nuts.
So maybe it is haunted. Who knows. Maybe it is
a powerful spirit. You know, they say it's a witch.
Is it or is it? I don't know, never been there.

(01:47:16):
But we don't have time to hit the drones like
I want to hit. So what else do we want
to talk about. We'll do drones another time, because we
go all in ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
Well, actually we have fourteen minutes because we started we started.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Late, okay, so we'll hit drones then. So I'm sure
that anybody who's listening has heard about what's happening out
in New Jersey. That started in New Jersey, now it's
in New York, it's in Pennsylvania, it's in Ohio that
these unmanned drones, some as big as SUVs, are running

(01:47:58):
rampant for the most part, all over the place, flying
over military installations, flying, disrupting air traffic, flying, closing down
airports and stuff like that. And at first it was
thought to be just a group of hobbyists that were

(01:48:19):
kind of screwing around, and now that the FBI was
involved in the FBI was got involved probably about a
month ago, maybe a little over six weeks ago, something
like that, and a lot of like the FAA obviously
is involved. There's other government agencies, like you know, the

(01:48:41):
agencies that are funded with taxpayer dollars that you don't
have initials for that we don't know about, but they're
involved to try and figure out what's going on. The
newest theory is that it's China and that they're Chinese
drones and that they're launching them from submarines in the

(01:49:02):
Atlantic Ocean and blah blah blah. I don't know that
that's the case. I've seen some of the footage. I've
been watching a lot of it just to see some
of it just looks like drones, like what you would
think was a hobbyist drones. And then there's other ones
that are large. There's transparent balls like they're just you know,

(01:49:28):
they look like a big beach ball and they're clear,
but they have lights inside of them. So I don't
know how that that doesn't look like any drone I've
ever seen. And it's footage. So it's a giant giant
cat ball. Yeah, it's like a giant catball, right, like

(01:49:49):
the ones you know that that you use and that
other people use, right, so you don't roll that ball
or whatever. And if you know, if it moves into
the lights inside flash, that's that's what it looks like,
except it's you know, up to s scale. It's big,
you know, it's it's a big ball. But the thing
that that I found very interesting, that really sparked my
that sparked my kind of curiosity into this was the

(01:50:13):
interview that I sent you where the guy who was
the Navy pilot who caught the the I don't know
if he was one who caught the tic TAC video,
but he was the one who shot the pendulum video,
the one where the thing is turning. It looks like
a top and it's turning and they're talking about how

(01:50:33):
it's spinning and and the speed it's going. If it
were to make those maneuvers. Basically, if there was a
human inside there, you'd just be mush because it would
just disintegrate you. You know, that Navy pilot started asking questions
about what's going on, and he and there's an interview

(01:50:55):
with him online that about what he thought was happening.
And he said that he reached out to individuals that
are in the know and that these that that they're
trying to track these things, they have been and they're
not able to track amusing like our technology that we

(01:51:19):
have right now. So they don't show up on infrared,
they don't show up on heat sensing, they don't show
up in different filters like what you saw the tic
TAC and the pendulum when they caught those on their
on their you know, the Navy fighter pilot's cameras, which

(01:51:40):
have the highest technology we have, or at least that
we know of. So he said that you can and
obviously you can see him with the naked eye, but
they don't show up on anything else. So that right there,
I don't understand that something's going on with that. Number two.
I've never seen a drone that could fly from ten

(01:52:03):
miles out in the ocean to Ohio and back without
some sort of self propulsion system. Right, there's no battery
that lasts that you could fly ten hours. You can't
fly a drone for ten hours. You know, you can't

(01:52:25):
fly a drone for eight hundred miles. It just we
don't have the technology, or at least we don't know
that we have the technology. So I I mean, I'm sorry,
I just need a drink of water. So that would
mean that that has to have a self propulsion system,
is what he talked about, and I agree with him.
If it has a self propulsion system, then it has

(01:52:48):
to put out some sort of heat. Any type of engine,
any type of mechanical thing puts out some type of
heat signature. Even if it's the most efficient motor in
the world, it's going to put out some type of
heat signature. And these things are not putting out heat signatures.
So I scratched my head. You know, is this first

(01:53:11):
contact the drones. No, I don't think they're drones. I
don't know they're calling them drones. I haven't seen them
with my naked eye. Obviously I'm interested. If I had
the time, I would I would go out there for
a week or two and kind of explore it myself
and check it out myself. You know, is it a

(01:53:37):
combination of things? Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
Uh? Is it like a few hobbyist type drones and
then these balls, these plasma balls, these giant balls with
color in them. I mean, they're not drones in the
in the typical sense. If if it is first contact,

(01:54:03):
which I'm not dismissing that it's not, I think it
could be. I think part of it could be. I'm
curious to see what the next step is. Is it
even happening anymore? I don't know, that's a good question.
I the holidays came and I got all christmasy, well,
and I've've been focusing on positive things.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Well exactly, but so well, one I would say, first contact,
should it be?

Speaker 3 (01:54:30):
That would be positive? But I would think so.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
But I'm surprised that you you like the part that
of this guy's interview where he's talking about this wasn't
even remotely like you know, everything that you've talked about
here where they're coming from me. It was the fact

(01:54:56):
that he said that this has been happening for years. Yeah,
he said it started a couple of years ago, two
or three weeks before Christmas. I can't I can't remember
the military base, but for like two or three weeks
around Christmas, they got bombarded by drones.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
Right. They've been documenting this happening for years, right exactly,
and it has not made the public's eye because they
didn't they didn't say anything about it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
Well, and it was localized to this this base, right,
So I mean I guess you could considered military military problem.

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
Yeah, right, exactly, it's a security issue.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
Well, then after two or three weeks or whatever it was,
they went away, They just stopped. And then the next year,
two or three weeks before Christmas, they showed up again, right,
And that's what I find interesting in this. I don't
find interestry in the fact that they can't figure out
where they're coming from or whether they're Chinese. It's the

(01:56:01):
fact that this is happening for at least the last
three years, right, and now it's expanding because not only
does it include the military base, but now people are
seeing them obviously over.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
Right, And it's on the rivers. It's going up and
down that river system. And I don't remember the river,
but if you look it up, you'll see it. It's
in New Jersey. It's like that river seems to be
some sort of highway or hotspot, and and it's disrupting
the airports now and where it wasn't disrupting airports in
the past, but they've had to shut down airports because
of potential you know, accidents or whatever from a plane

(01:56:37):
hitting one of these drones. Yeah, I don't there's no
way that we have not scrambled to enough fourteens apparently not.
We have. There's absolutely no way we haven't. There's a
way they didn't send out some hell like some Blackhawks
with high tech gear to take one of these things out.

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
You would have a knock at thousand camera phones, you know,
getting thing of the F fourteen flying down.

Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
You would think so, right, you would think so.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
There would be some report, there would be some something somewhere,
somebody to be talking about the F fourteen or the
black Hall helicopter that got over my neighborhood, and you're
not so they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
Go ahead, So they're they're not attempting to take them down.

Speaker 2 (01:57:27):
I mean that that was one of the big things
of you know, this person all it's just start, you know,
taking them down or whatever. And they're they're like they're not.
They're studying them, they're letting them do their thing, they're
trying to track them.

Speaker 3 (01:57:39):
So here's the thing. Why if it's a security threat,
if these things are flying over military installations, like important
military installations, and if they're disrupting airports and shutting airports down,
why are we not doing something to capture a few.

(01:58:09):
There's there's dozens of them right, There's it's not just one,
there's dozen. I'm not gonna say hundreds, Maybe there's hundreds,
but there's dozens and dozens of these things that are
seen or were anyway being seen nightly all over the place.
Now it's kind of turned into a little bit of

(01:58:31):
a shit show with people all over the place taking
footage of airplanes and stuff and going, oh my god,
look at it's happening here in uh in Hawaii to
and uh northern Washington. Look at this. And it's and
it's just an airplane, Okay, that out yeah, and and
and I get that. But but the stuff that's happening

(01:58:53):
along that river and at that military base and at
the airport that's documented that you can watch online, that
is shot, that's legitimately. There are things that are in
the air that are flying around in a pattern such
as an airplane could not fly. So there's obviously something

(01:59:14):
other than that. It's not an airplane, or at least
not an airplane that we know of. I don't think
it's an airplane anyway. But but then my question becomes,
and this goes to what Sina said, because I asked
her about it. She said that it's the government doing

(01:59:34):
it to basically scare us. It's the next step of
you know, a lot of people thought that COVID even
though COVID was real. I know there's the people out there,
the anti vaxxers that don't think they think COVID wasn't real. Well,
I got it. And there's a lot of dead people
that will tell you that it's real too, the people

(01:59:56):
that passed away from it, and a lot of people
that have lingering effects from what they call long COVID.
You know, but was that what was that intentionally released?
Was COVID intentionally released as a way to scare the

(02:00:19):
population and to see how far they could go as
far as controlling the population. Right, don't go to work
six feet apart, stay at home. Will pay you to
stay at home, because we don't want this to turn
into an epidemic. I don't know. It's a good conversation
for a conspiray theorists, you know, Sina said, this is

(02:00:42):
the next step, that this is the government doing it.
I if they are, what's the purpose? Right? It kind
of makes sense in the fact that they're not doing
anything about it. I don't understand why. But he's doing
anything about it. Well, I don't understand why. Some local person.

(02:01:04):
There's got to be somebody out there who's who's sitting
in a lawn chair with a twelve gage shotgun drinking
a six pack on the river waiting for one of
those things to fly by so we can blast it
out of the sky. There's just you know, there is
This is America's there's somebody out there who's going to

(02:01:25):
do that. The question is why, like, why hasn't that
happened yet, and why why haven't we shot one down?
Why haven't we taken one out so we can look
at and see what the hell it is? Supposedly, from
what I've heard, they have tried that, and these things
just disappear like they go to get them, they've gone

(02:01:46):
to capture them or to take them out and knock
one down, take it out of the sky, shoot it down, whatever,
however you want to phrase it. And when they go
after it, right as they're about to approach it and
take it out, it just disappears. That's not a drone,
so in the sense of a drone, like a man
made mechanical drone, because they don't just disappear. Hold on here,

(02:02:11):
because because a lot of time we shouldn't have got
into this conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:02:15):
Well I didn't know. Yeah, I can see that, So
maybe we'll move this over to next week's show. But uh,
in lieu of like a listener story or something like that.
But what, let me just say three quick things.

Speaker 3 (02:02:32):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:02:33):
One, let's not forget that. You know, we did multiple
shows on the whole secret invasion right thing, right, So
if you if you want to talk about the next
step and the scaring people here, you ares it was
supposed to already.

Speaker 3 (02:02:49):
Happen and it hasn't. Right, very true, So maybe they.

Speaker 2 (02:02:53):
Held back and they decided to do it a different way.
And now here we are, right, there is a new
theory out there where all of these drones are holographic.
They're holographic drones. Interesting, we can talk about that later,

(02:03:17):
but I.

Speaker 3 (02:03:18):
Guess that would explain why you can't track them.

Speaker 2 (02:03:21):
Can't track them, can't shoot them, They just disappear.

Speaker 3 (02:03:24):
Right so you just turn off the projector.

Speaker 2 (02:03:27):
And how they can get from the Atlantic all the
way to Ohio without without battery. So anyway, with that said,
well we'll continue this obviously, this conversation sadly later in
another episode somewhere in twenty somewhere in next Christmas. I'm

(02:03:51):
sure they'll be back. But yeah, so anyway, that does
it for us again, Happy New Year to everybody who
listen soon and for anybody that listens in like June,
happy summer.

Speaker 3 (02:04:06):
But and if you happen to be tuning in three
weeks before Christmas of twenty twenty five, this could be
a very important topic because maybe maybe they're back, and
maybe they're expanding their.

Speaker 2 (02:04:21):
Their range perhaps so already, well, with that said, that
does it for us. We be back next week with
another brand new episode.

Speaker 3 (02:04:30):
At our new time of ten am to none.

Speaker 2 (02:04:35):
And yeah, so again, if anybody wants to see all
of our previous episodes, Odyssey Files Radio dot com, if
you'd like to send us in a paranormal story or
question ody see Paranormal Odyssey Files Radio.

Speaker 3 (02:04:52):
Oh wow, oh yeah, God, I am so I'm so
used saying honesty.

Speaker 2 (02:04:58):
Paranormal Society dot com, which is my teen page that
I haven't quite gotten used to the Obyssey Bowles Radio
dot com.

Speaker 3 (02:05:04):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (02:05:05):
But yeah, so until next week, stay healthy, stay safe.
I want to see you back here. Everyone, have a
great day.

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