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January 19, 2025 121 mins
It's another sensational episode of the Odyssey Files! In the first hour, Dave and Mike answer you listener e-mails. Is it possible for a spirit to actually have sex with you? Are ghosts just a surprised to see us as we are seeing them? How should the media be covering paranormal stories? It's these letters and more in this week's Mailbag!


For the main topic of the show, Dave and Mike dive into what are commonly held beliefs of the paranormal from the world's religions. Whereas Mike and Dave are no experts and this is in no way a judgement of what religion is right or wrong on the paranormal, it is a look beyond what Catholicism and Christianity may or may not believe.


If you'd like to send in a paranormal story or question to the guys, please head over to OdysseyFilesRadio.com and submit your story! And as always please remember to like and subscribe!

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Speaker 1 (00:36):
I I, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Good morning, paranormal community, and thank you for joining my
co host mister David Zorin and I on another amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Episode of The Alissey Files. I'm your host, Michael O'Neill.
How are you, Dave.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
I'm doing good other than the fact it's thirteen below up?

Speaker 3 (01:40):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Is? That? What it is? Yeah, it's the first day
of our kind of arctic blast three seventeen below. Tonight
it's thirteen below right now. You know it looks like
it's thirteen below. I mean it's crystal blue sky's up,
but I don't see anything moving.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
I I'm just glad that the Wi Fi signals are
not getting frozen. An.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
I think that's why my speaker's messed up today. But
I'm blaming it on the weather. I think it's frozen.
I think it's it's under protest because it's so cold
outside and it's up against the wall.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah that'll do it.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
So, uh, great show in store for everybody today.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
I got some.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Really out did yourself in picking the stories for for today.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
I did, didn't I?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yes, Uh one is going to as I said last night,
Uh Gardner, some some very interesting conversation.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, I'm letting you tackle that one. I'm
just going to sit back and watch.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Oh there's no way you're keeping me from it. But
uh so yeah, you're you're going to enjoy that one.
So anyways, Uh, Dave, you wanted to me you want
to do this just in general, and I agree, So
you might as well do it now and during the

(03:13):
second hour.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
So we're going to hit on a topic that I
think a lot of people are. Ah, there's three things
that people are very very very very picky about. And
if you go anywhere to the left or right of
their's said beliefs in these three things, they go off,
they go off the rocker.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Yeah, well that's a conversation topic. Is a good way
to right, So you're going to have yourself a friendly debate.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yes, so one of sports, A, two's politics, and three
is religion. And we're going to be tackling the religious
aspect of this, not to and this is the disclaimer
I think you wanted to put out there, Davis.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
A.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Dave and I are not experts in this.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
No. So yeah, right, so if you're Buddhist and we
and we in our limited research say something about Buddhism.
That is incorrect because we trusted some information that we
found when we were doing research on how Buddhists look
at ghosts. Then don't hate us. Yeah, just know that
we're doing the best we can glossing over the top

(04:30):
and not glossing over. But you know, we're going to
dig into it. But it's not obviously like I'm not.
I don't have a degree in different religion, so yeah, yeah,
we need.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Scott for that. Yeah, but so yeah, so we're going
to do the best we can. This is absolutely not
a judgment on any sort of religion. We're not saying
whether any religion is right or wrong. It's merely throwing
it out on what the the summarized version of what

(05:02):
they believe is, uh, and then discussing that. And there's Honestly,
as I look over all these different all these different religions,
I see aspects in what I have noticed in the
paranormal and like nearly all of them, and so honestly,

(05:24):
I think all of them are right in some way,
and all of them are incorrect in some ways, Like
they just seem to be building off of the same
thing but talking about it in different ways.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Yeah, I would agree that. I think all religion is
kind of that way anyway. I mean, they all believe
in a deity, right, I mean to just name it
different things, but but it gets a little deeper than that,
you know, I mean, like with Hindu Well, let's not
get into it. Wait, wait to the second half.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
So just just want to throw it on now and
when we'll say it again during the second art, just
to make sure everybody understand. Everybody knows what what what
what you're trying to do. So with that said, should
I have this up and I didn't delayed reaction cold? Yeah,

(06:23):
it's proud to present the mail bag, all right, So
my apologies on that one. I screwed that one up.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
I'm putting everything on the cold. That's fine.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
You know, it's like seventy two in my house, and
why not I'm at.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Least that's sixty nine.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
I'm a I'm a like fifteen feet away from a
window that's close enough must be drafty. So here we go.
It's number one. Why do ghosts have different responses to
people asking about the afterlie? Which is interesting, I mean
because we're gonna be getting into that obviously during the

(07:05):
second hour. But it's fine to talk about now. I've
seen many videos and stories of people asking about the afterlife,
and each ghost responds differently. I've seen some say heaven
is real, why others say it's not. Some don't respond,
and some do respond, and some will talk about something
we've never heard of. Is it possible the ghosts don't

(07:29):
even know this? This is a good question, I mean,
because whereas I have not seen a lot of stories
or seen a lot of videos, or watch a lot
of videos because videos makes me nauseous to watch.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Everything.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
But like I've asked, I've asked that question before, I
haven't particularly gotten any answers to it. I want to say,
I don't know if it was when you and I
were still doing investigations together, or if there was. I

(08:17):
can't even remember where I got it from. But I
thought that I had asked that question, and I think
I got an EVP of cold.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
And that was it.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
So the interesting thing is before I even saw this question,
over the last couple of days, I've really gotten a need,
or like a desire, to watch What Dreams May Come,
the Robin Williams movie about dying and going to heaven,

(08:50):
and then obviously, you know, searching for his wife and whatnot,
And actually watched it last night before I went to bed.
Great movie, by the way, if you have seen it.
But I I'm really starting to have the belief that

(09:11):
the afterlife, or however that is it is done, is
self actualized. And if that's the case, then that's why
everybody responds differently. If somebody who doesn't really believe in heaven,
or maybe didn't go there right away, they might start

(09:33):
to lose faith, or they might start to think that
there is no heaven because they did not go there,
And so when asked about the afterlife, they're going to
say it sucks, there's no such thing as heaven. Spirits
that can cross back and forth between the veil from
heaven and here to visit loved ones or do whatever,
they're going to know that there is one. And I

(09:55):
do believe that everybody's heaven is different. This is like
I believe everybody's hell is different, depending on, you know,
where they decide to put themselves. But I think that
it's not so much the fact that the ghosts don't know.
I think it's that it's different for each and every
one of them. And if that's the case, then you're

(10:19):
always going to get a different answer. So I think
if we want to actually figure out what the afterlife is,
maybe we could start tailoring questions to what is your
heaven like and see if we can get a different
type of answer or the same type of answer to
that one. Or I guess just accept the fact that

(10:48):
every spirit is going to answer different if the answer
at all. Yeah, I'm just gonna mean with that.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
All right. So two differences between what you just said
and what I think. So number one, I don't think
that everybody has their own heaven. I think that we
go back into a global consciousness, that we go back
into it, the concept of one, and that we're all

(11:20):
just a single strand of fiber back into one. And
I've got a very interesting story to share with that,
So I'm going to do it now because it's a perfect
place for it. So, speaking to one of my new
clients at work, he was telling me that he was
at all a little watering hole, local place, and he

(11:42):
met a guy. They were sitting around chewing the fat
and having a cold beer. And this particular new client
of mine has got stage four cancer and he's dying
and he's afraid of death. And he the guy who
was at the bar told him, well, you know, can

(12:03):
I share something with you? And he said sure. And
the guy had a couple of years previously had died
in an accident and was clinically dead for three minutes
on the table. And so my client said, well, you know,
was it all like what we hear? Is it the
white light at the end of the tunnel. Did your

(12:23):
family members come and hold your hand or walk with you,
escort you up? Did Jesus take you up through the
white light? And he said no, he said, I didn't
see any white light. But he said I felt nothing
but peace and love. And he said when I opened
my eyes, he said, when he looked around, all he

(12:46):
saw was billions and billions of other specks of light,
and that he was one of those specs, and that
those specs were all working in harmony and unity together.
So that's what he saw when he died, which I
find that to be very interesting because that's kind of
how I've always believed that it is, is that when

(13:06):
we pass, we're going to go back into like the
giant mixing bowl. It's kind of, you know, a way
to look at it, although I don't think it's a
mixing bowl with no defined edges for sure.

Speaker 6 (13:16):
But one cup of Dave, Yeah, one cup of Dave,
half a cup of you know, so and so and right,
So in that respect, I think that that's a little
bit different.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
And then number two, I don't believe. I still am
of the belief that spirits don't respond because there's something
on the other side that's a rule or some sort
of bear frequency barrier might be a better way, you know,

(13:49):
it might be if they're you know, spirits might be
talking to us all the time, like Mike and I
are talking right now, but it's on a totally different frequency,
and so we only catch little bits and pieces of
stuff here and there, which makes it extremely difficult to
put something together. But I would ask this viewer, right,

(14:12):
is that why are you watching? So are you? Are
you looking for the answer yourself or are you looking
for different people's opinions? Because I've watched a lot of video,
watched a lot of documentaries that a lot of stories
I don't know, and I know and I know just

(14:33):
about everybody in the paranormal world who's like getting paid
to talk about ghosts, and I don't know that they
have all come up with different answers. I don't think
they come up with answers at all. I think they're
just like the rest of us. They just happen to
be getting paid to do it. But there is no

(14:56):
I just I've never seen when I'm watching something or
researching something, I've never seen like five different answers where
a ghost doesn't know what it's really doesn't know what
it's doing, or that you know, this spirit says this thing,
and then over here in Atlanta, this spirit say this,
and over in New Hampshire this says this, and California,

(15:16):
you know it's different, And I don't think it's different.
I don't know where that question comes from, but I
believe that we're all going to go back into one,
the One, which is what I would refer to as God.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
Another religions would call it. I have a different name
for it. That was a very sena answer. I want
to put that in there.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
She's wearing off on me. I'm starting to clearly see No,
I'm not Yeah, yeah, no, that ain't I'm not clearly
seeing anything. It's all just a haze. It's fair.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
That's okay, you're up.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Yeah, I know, I'm looking to see which one I
want to do. All right, Hey guys, So I did
something that I might need some help with. I used
a board Ouiji board with a couple of my friends,
but one of them kept taking their hands off of
the planchet without saying goodbye. And ever since, I've had
trouble sleeping and things have been moving around the house

(16:25):
without explanation. As a side note, I want to say
that I also brought home graveyard dirt and my dog
destroyed the container and the dirt spilled all over my room.
How do I find out if someone or something is
attached to me? Time confrontation? I mean, I wouldn't. That's

(16:50):
not my recommendation. I'm just simply answering your question. First
of all. You know, and I don't even need to
go there because Mike's headed there already. I can feel
the vibes. So I'm not going to give you the
lecture on playing with Wiji boards and then bringing graveyard
dirt into your house because I don't know what you

(17:11):
were trying to conjure, or if you did it on
a dare or whatever the case might be. But it
was a dumb move. So how do you know if
someone or something's attached to you? Time will tell, you know,
it would depend you know, trouble sleeping, that's that's not
because of the paranormal. If you're getting visited in your

(17:34):
dreams by something that scares you and you're having nightmares,
that's that could be paranormal. If you're being touched while
you're sleeping, or somebody shouts in your ear and freaks
you out, or you wake up and your blankets are
folded and on the chair in the corner of the room,

(17:55):
that you know, then you might have something going on.
But to say things are moving around the house without explaining,
I mean I would have to get you'd have to
get in a lot more detailed than that. But time
will tell, and then I would keep an eye on uh.
You know, if something's focused on you, you'll know it.
You're just going to know it because you're going to
have that uneasy feeling that somebody's watching you. You're going

(18:17):
to see things out of the corner of your eye.
As it gets more intense, you're going to start experiencing
things like perhaps touch, you know, movement of objects in
your room that defy logic. Your dog freaking out and
barking at nothing, not just one time scratches in the wall.

(18:39):
You know, it goes on and on and on and
on and on. So I mean, that's how you can tell.
And I this is one of those cases again where
I would highly recommend that you don't go to a cemetery,
play with Luigi board and then dig up somebody's grave
and then bring the dirt home. The person who dug

(19:01):
the graveyard dirt from might just be a little upset
and might be visiting throwing some stuff around your house,
but that's only going to last a short time because
then they're getting get tired of it and they're going
to move on. And the bad thing is you can't
satisfy it because you don't have all the dirt anymore.
So my logic there would say you need to take

(19:23):
the dirt back and put it back respectfully where it
was and apologize. But now that your dog destroyed it
and it's in the floorboards or it's all over in
the carpeting and you sucked it up in the vacuum
cleaner and all that fun stuff, that's not possible to
do anymore. So I don't know what's going to happen there.
I'm not an expert on digging up graveyard dirt and

(19:44):
bringing it home and studying it and trying to figure
out what can happen to me. I pass on that
one sweety thing, Mike.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
It's almost as bad as taking going to like a
reservation and taking dirt there. I'm like, you're you're just
you're just messing with stout, Like what could be the
possible motivation for doing something like that? Like I'm walking

(20:18):
through your gravey, you know what that dirt looks? Really,
I'd like to have that in my room, Like what
possible thought process could go through somebody's head to dig
up graveyard dirt to bring home.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
It's part of witchcraft, it's part of conjuring, part of
double worshiping. You need to have that that kind of
that cemetery dirt type of thing for part of rituals. Okay,
I think I don't think that this is a thirty
year old guy or a thirty year old woman doing this.

(20:51):
I think this is probably somebody in high school. Would
be my guest.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
I I I would agree with.

Speaker 4 (20:59):
You on that one. Like as a dare, let's go
scare ourselves type of thing. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
It's so much a dare dare somebody.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Dare to bring home the graveyard dirt.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
I don't get that from this at all. I think
it would have been I think it would have been
part of the letter, like somebody dared me to do it,
and now this happened. Yeah, I think he did it
of his own volition and uh now he's you know,
now they're suffering the consequences of it.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
You know, this is again I don't nothing's happened yet,
so maybe they're going to suffer. I think they're freaking
themselves out personally.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
But well, I I do agree with you with the
fact that the board thing has nothing to do with
the trouble sleeping. Uh, but you know, things moving around
the house thought explanation.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Uh, I don't.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Think that's honestly, I don't think anything that is happening
is attributed to the board.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Uh yeah, so you.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Toss that out just you know my own. My only
thing on that one is not to be a moron.
Don't use boards, especially if No I'm not even gonna
say it, no, especially yet. But the graveyard dirt is
definitely worrying and I think I think this is one

(22:23):
of those you stole stuff from me, Now I'm going
to steal stuff from you, a type of type of thing. Obviously,
your dog destroyed the container, you know, as Dave said,
you vacuumed it up. I'm sure you cleaned it, and
now it's it's gone. There is something that I would

(22:43):
like you to try and see if maybe it is
good enough, and that is, take some dirt from your house,
bring it to where you took theirs, and and place
it wherever you had it or wherever you took it from,

(23:05):
Apologize for what you did, explain why you couldn't bring
back the dirt that's there, and that you want them
to have this in exchange, and you hope that that's enough.
If anything, maybe I have an offering like almonds or
I know that's two elementals, but you never know what
you're dealing with, and sometimes the offer I think it

(23:31):
would be good enough. I'm not saying that that is
going to rectify the situation. I don't know if whatever
spirit is messing with you will take that. But again,
we're always talking about intent, and the intent is to apologize.
The intent is to correct the wrong that you did,

(23:52):
and we'll see if something like that would work. If
you're I can't really say that if you're using the
board and taking graveyard dirt you're all that religious. Maybe
try having whatever dirt you're gonna bring blessed, depending on
what type of cemetery your graveyard you took it from,

(24:17):
and see if that helps. But otherwise you're just gonna
have to deal with the consequences of your actions if
that doesn't work.

Speaker 4 (24:30):
And this is one of the Yeah, and this is
one of those moments where I don't feel bad. I
don't feel bad for stupidity. Yeah, you know, I mean
I am an EmPATH, so internally, like I want to
reach out and grab this person and protect them and
keep them safe. Externally, I want to smack them upside

(24:54):
the head and you know, figure out a way to
not repeat the same type of blatant disregard for common sense.
And that's my personal view obviously, which is being half
the show, is also half the view of the show.

(25:18):
All right, buddy, where are we going next?

Speaker 3 (25:20):
All right? This person is writing in about shadow figures
and people. So I have this person or people following
me around one in particulars the figure of a tall
man with a top hat. Does anyone know who or
what he is? Why do I see him in the

(25:41):
corner of my eye? A couple months ago, I was
seen as crazy hearing breathing when no one was in
my room and someone sitting down in my bed and
touching my leg when no one was there but me.
It freaked me out and I can't sleep most lights.
Am I going crazy? Has anyone else experienced something like this?
I could really use something. Yes, yes they have, uh,

(26:06):
maybe not all at once. So obviously, as I read
the fact that it's a figure with the top hat,
longtime listeners of the show myself included, uh, go straight
to the pat But I honestly don't know if that's
what this is because he typically does not stick around,

(26:29):
so you see him over and over and over again,
especially down at the corner of your eye. He's more
of a in your face, that kind of kind of entity.
He doesn't do anything off to the side. Shadow people
and figures typically don't sit on.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
Your bed.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
And uh, and they don't breathe, so there's really no
reason you're going to have here like crazy breathing. I
have had at it. Obviously, I was younger, so it
might have been my imagination, but I have I've had
my back like towards the outside of my room, and

(27:09):
I'm completely sure that there's a presence in my room
and I can hear breathing, but there was nothing there.
It's my imagination, you know. Obviously, turn around, show myself
that there's nothing there, and it all goes away. So
I mean, is this your imagination with the breathing. I
don't know, but I don't think that this is actually

(27:32):
the hat Man. The hat Man is not the only
spirit ever to wear a top hat. You know. There
are lots of Victorian era type spirits who are seen
where they're you know, in full you know, dress mode
with the top hat, like they're going out for the evening.
This could be a former homeowner. I don't know hold

(27:55):
your house is or what went on with the land,
But honestly, nothing here is like strikes me as being bad. Upsetting, yes,
like confusing, what is going on? Intense? Absolutely like you're

(28:19):
really not prepared to have your leg touched. But I mean,
I don't want to say if that's all that is,
don't worry about it. But if you are worried about it,
I would bring in somebody. It's like medium, a reputable
paranormal team. Somebody will be able to figure this out
for you, because I don't think it's the have man,

(28:40):
and I don't think you're dealing with shadow people. You're
I think you're dealing with one entity here who's in
some way trying to reach out to you. For what purpose,
What the motivation is? I have no idea, but that's
where the people who would are are there to help

(29:02):
you find answers come into play. But yeah, that's that's
what I got.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
I'm I'm going with Abe Lincoln.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
You think Abe Lincoln is okay? You know, that's a
very mean comment, like that's that's that's a joke I
would make.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
Yeah, well, I'm kind of thinking that this person might
be doing like a school report on presidents or whatever,
maybe focused on Ablincoln, and maybe a Lincoln's coming to
hang out and kind of spend some time with her.
But she's overreacting to the presence. So I'm with you,

(29:42):
this is not a shadow person. Shadow people are interdimensional
beings that don't play nice. They don't have any intent
of being kind. I don't see anything here that is
aggressive or overbearing or harmful. You know, the touch on

(30:06):
your leg could have been there could have been a
pencil under your sheet, and it felt like somebody poked.
I mean, there's a billion things that common sense and
logic can make out of something like that. You know,
I think what's happening here is I think you're freaking
yourself out. So I will tell you watching the football
games yesterday, and I think, you know, my brain says

(30:29):
that I saw what I saw. But I'll give you
a perfect example. So I'm watching the Kansas City Chiefs game.
Boom to throw that in and nice refereeting. By the
way headlines today, referees admit they blow calls, multiple calls,

(30:50):
and the Texans weren't too happy.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
But I think I told you it's going to be
a drinking game.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
Yeah, it will be, you know. So now I totally
forgot what I was going to say. I'm sorry, Oh,
corner of my eye. Sorry. So as I'm watching the
game to my left, out of the corner of my eye,

(31:18):
three separate times, I see it a mass, not a
dark mass either. It was more of a clear liquid
move into my vision, clear clearly into my peripheral And
then when I turned my head. Of course it wasn't there,
but three separate times a mass, a clear mass, moved

(31:41):
to my left, like sitting in the living room, and
it was by the kitchen table. So distinctly saw it.
You know, I just figured it was somebody I knew
coming to watch the game, so I invited him and
sit down and watch the game. That comes with experience.
So you know, if you're young and nothing like this

(32:03):
has ever happened to you before, and this is kind
of an awakening where your spirit guides are showing you
a glimpse of what else is out there, or you
have the inate ability like we all do, to kind
of see and experience things that are all around us
all the time that people just shut out. Then yeah,

(32:26):
it's scary. It's scary when it first happens, especially when
you're like under five. That really sucks. But I wouldn't
be worried. My best advice here, you're looking for advice,
My best advice would be claim your territory, stand your ground,
Tell whatever it is that it's not allowed to freak

(32:46):
you out, and that if it can't be nice, then
it has to leave all together, and that you don't
want it around you, and it's not allowed to stay
in the house or attach itself to anything in your
home or any other person in your home. It's not
allowed to bounce around to make life miserable for others.
But I don't think there's anything there, but doing that
isn't going to hurt anything either, So claim your territory back.

(33:11):
That's the best piece of advice I can give on
I can't even tell you how many times I've said
that to clients or done it with them. It's kind
of a strength anything, and I think it's good for
your psyche anyway. I think it's good for the person
who's scared because now they feel like they're back in control,
even though control is an illusion, but they feel like
they're back in control. And that's what's important, you know,

(33:34):
is that they feel safe again in their space. And
that's really what that's really the ultimate goal for me
in the paranormals. So obviously make things better for families
with kids that are experiencing things that they don't understand
and they can't explain, but also for people to feel
for everybody to feel safe in their own space again,

(33:57):
that's the ultimate thing. And if it's up and nasty
than to kick its ass out, you know, call God
to come in. I'll be his vessel whatever he wants
me to say or do. That's what I do. But
that was a few and far between. Nasty entities exist,
but they're few and far between.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yes, definitely, not not as common as the TV shows
would like you to believe.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, if you watch any type of if
you watch any paranormal TV, and I stopped watching it
because I needed a cleanse, like say, ninety eighty percent
better than seventy five percent or eighty percent. Either it's

(34:47):
focused on negative empathies or demons, or it works its
way there. And that's because that it's because that shit sells.
It's the same reason why I'm big horror movie fan.
You know, a great horror movie transports me to a
place of vulnerability, which for me, I'm not vulnerable and

(35:09):
I don't feel vulnerable. So when I have that moment
where I feel vulnerable and a movie makes me feel
that way, I like that. So that's my attraction to
horror movies. Smile Too is a great example, you know.
I mean it's just you look, I look at those
things and I'm like, you know that could happen, and

(35:29):
then it kind of puts me in a vulnerable situation.
You know it could happen. I'm hoping it doesn't, all right,
Moving on, surprised ghosts. Has anyone ever had a ghost
be surprised to see that you saw it? Yes?

Speaker 5 (35:48):
I have.

Speaker 6 (35:50):
So.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
I was asleep on the couch of my parents' living
room a few years back, and upon waking up, I
saw the top half of a ghostly figure floating across
the room. It turned its head, it looked at me,
then literally dropped its jaws in shock. We sat there
staring at one another for what was probably about five seconds,
as I was also in shock, until I finally got

(36:11):
up and ran upstairs. Its face and body was almost
completely see through. All I could make out was the
eyes and a mouth, and then the eyes were that
we locked eyes. So I have never seen what it
was again. And when I visit my parents' home, and
I visit very frequently, should I be concerned. No, you

(36:32):
shouldn't be concerned at all. I think that one or
two things happened there. Either the veil was really close together,
or you were really close because you were just waking
up from maybe being on like a spiritual journey, or
maybe you're astral projecting lucid dreaming, so you wake up
and you bring part of that back with you just

(36:56):
for a second, and then you were probably in aging
with this individual while you were out doing whatever you
were doing in your dreams, and this person happened to
come back with you temporarily. Now how that happens, I
can't answer that, But that's kind of where my brain
takes this. And yeah, it is a shocking to see. Yeah,

(37:19):
it's shocking to see it, but it's funny. I mean,
I've seen spirits. I've seen spirits on location that the
spirit seems more freaked out by the fact that it
sees me than I see it, which I think is
absolutely hilarious because I'm like, well, why are you? And

(37:40):
I even say that, and I never get a response.
But I even say that, why are you afraid? What
are you afraid of me? For? I'm not here to
hurt you, I'm not here to kick you out. But
I never get a response to that. But but yeah,
it is kind of funny when you see a spirit
and then they see you, and then you don't know
what's going on. Times I've b locked eyes with them

(38:01):
and we just kind of look at each other, and
it's not like they're scared or that they're in shock
that they see me. It's almost like they knew they
were going to see me, and they're I don't know
if I want to say happy. They are satisfied with

(38:22):
the fact that I can see them, and I don't
know what that means either, but the looks on their
face are one of congratulations on reaching this stage, you know,
like like, you know, we've been waiting for you to
get here.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
This was not complete.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Yeah, exactly, That's what I'm thinking, right Like, it's a
I think it's a growth thing, passage, Yeah, something like that,
right where you you you know, you have your moment
and then they sit back and wait for you to
pass your test or take the next step, and then
you take the next step and then they see you
and they give you a discerning eye. It's a positive

(39:03):
nor negative. It's just more of a okay, you've arrived,
don't put yourself on the back too hard moments and
then they're gone. I do love the fact will go
back to this though. I absolutely love this. When we
were at the hotel, down a New Prague and Steve

(39:28):
was sitting in the chair and there was a big
bookcase right next to him. He's sitting there just everything's
dead quiet. He turns his head and there's a head
coming out of the bookcase, a woman, and she turns
her head and sees him, and he screams and jumps
out of the chair at the same time that her

(39:49):
eyes open up and her mouth opens up, and she
flies back into the bookcase. Then he comes running and
tell me, you're not gonna believe what I just saw. Jesus.
He was all blustered, but it was funny. I mean,
you know, And I said, well, who scared each other worse?
He goes, I don't know, he goes. I think we
both pretty much did a good job on each other.
So you know what happens. She was probably one of

(40:14):
the spirits that we talked to a hundred times of jeans,
and it was just happened to be moving from one
spot to another. It was coming through the bookcase. It
happened to be a chance encounter. So I love that.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Though it's actually new market, not new problem.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Oh yeah, new market, Yeah, Mark, I was thinking after
I said that, I'm like, no, it's not new Progum,
but it's right there in that neighborhood, so.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
Yeah, new Market. But so, I mean, I think it's
a common occurrence when when spirits and and people who
see each other, you know, freak each other out.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
I've often, I've said on the show probably half a
dozen times over the years about how I don't know
whether spirits can control what they show when they show it.
You know, could they just be walking through the house
and all of a sudden energy just maybe they walk

(41:23):
by an outlet or something like that, and their energy
spikes and all of a sudden they're visible for you know,
two three seconds, and that wasn't part of the plan.
You also have to take into account the theory of
you know, like the others, you know, as that person
in his time or her time walking through a room

(41:46):
or whatever, looks over and sees the spirit laying down
on the couch or a couch or whatever, and that's
why they're freaked out because they're seeing a ghost which
is you. You know, obviously you don't you don't mean it,
and neither do they. So I mean, these are all
questions about the paranorma that we all have, and we

(42:08):
don't have any solid answers for it. We have a
bunch of theories. The problem is we don't know at
least I don't know how to prove them. I don't
even know how to test them unless you have access
to a place any time you want and a spirit
who's willing to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
Even then the scientific community would kick it out.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
But well, the originally yes, but I would think that
over time, if you had the necessary requirements to experiment,
that you could devise an experiment that would be scientifically
proven or or about I hope that day never comes.

(42:55):
Don't you don't want the paranormal proven?

Speaker 4 (43:00):
If this is why I say this right now, we're
kind of a fringe science. Okay, so we're we're it
is a science, and scientists will tell you that it's
a science, and a lot of really intelligent people believe
in the afterlife and have witnessed and experienced things themselves firsthand.

(43:21):
But I liked the fact that we're not governed by
a set of rules. And if you really think about it,
if we get if it ever becomes proven that this
is like scientifically proven, that yes, spirits exist, and we
you know, we believe now, and you know, this is great,

(43:45):
and we shouldn't have been saying that it wasn't real
the whole time. And as soon as that happens, there's
going to be about four billion rules and regulations placed
on the paranormal. You can do it. If you don't
do it this way, well then it's not valid. No,
it's not valid. No, no, because you were using a

(44:07):
black recorder, not the yellow recorder that we told you
that you have to use. So therefore we're throwing all
of your stuff out. It just you know, it's going
to get acidine like that, and that's a that's like
an extreme example, but I'm sure in some like any
other bill or any other law that gets passed, it's
going to get thrown in there. Somebody will write it

(44:29):
in at the last second and be like, Okay, you know,
I've it's been three years and I've never got to
put anything in any policy. You guys always throw my
shit out. So either you put that in there that
it has to be a yellow recorder not a black one,
I'm taking my ball and going home and that's it.
And that's the final strang and somebody will be like, okay,

(44:49):
just to appease him. We need the ball to play ball,
just to appease him. Put the stupid ass yellow recorder
thing in there. Who cares? And then a not that
it'd be everybody ever we run around with the yellow recorder.
And I know that sounds weird, but man, if you've
experienced life and keep your eyes up, and it's not

(45:09):
weird at all because you know it'll happen. And so
I want to stay where we are at for right now.
Would I ever like to see a proven you know how,
I would like to see the paranormal proven. I would
like Houdini and Thomas Edison and Einstein and all these
people that have influenced the lives of Americans, Abe Lincoln.

(45:33):
I want to see all those entities come back into
a space, materialize and have conversations and give a chastising
to all of the people that were naysayers that said
that it's not possible, it doesn't work into the law

(45:55):
of physics, it doesn't fit into this double blind study.
And then I want to see their responses and the
first thing they'll say is, yeah, I saw it, but
it was just a case of massysteria. There'll be some
immediate right off. Even if Abe Lincoln walks up and
puts his top hat on your head and takes a

(46:15):
picture of selfie with you, you would there are people
that would have a reason to say, nah, nah, that
didn't happen. I was, I was, you know, so I
like where we're at. Let's stay, let's stay the fringe
science for right now.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
Okay, I have more to say on that thing, but
I don't want to go back into that topic.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
That's that's quite all right. So and now, so much
time has passed since I last spoke. I don't remember
where I was. Well, I was even talking about.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
I don't either, to be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
Way to go, Dave. All right, Well that was my answer, Oh.

Speaker 4 (47:01):
People, I gave. I gave my answer and that tangent.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
So yeah, people, uh people, uh people.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
We were talking about about plagues common for people to
see spirits and spirits see them that you think it's
a common occurrence.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
I think it's more common than people think. I don't
know if it's so much of a common experience, but
I digress. But yeah, I think I pretty much got
my answer answer.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
I think you did. All right, it's me so this
is kind of a I like this one because this
follows up to it. Oh yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
See, so much time had passed because of your rant.
We don't know where we are. No, it's my yeah, yeah,
and this is a good one. You're got to make
sure I have this one.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Oh yeah, well you can have that one I don't want. Okay,
here we go.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
This is this is gonna be great. There have been
cases where things I knew for a fact I put
one place ends up across the house, weird noises, movement
of items, and grunting noises from the other rooms. Not
to be too vulgar, but I sleep naked. I get
hot really easy. For the past few months, I've woke

(48:25):
up with my ass in the air, in my face
down and an aching pain that pulsates from my anus.
This occurs about once a week, and I don't know
how to stop it. But besides the aching anis and
me being face down, ass up, I hear this in
my dreams. Take that, Take that, and every time I

(48:47):
hear those words, I wake up face down, ass up?
Can spirits have sex with you? What can I do
to stop this?

Speaker 4 (48:58):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (48:59):
This is?

Speaker 4 (48:59):
This is amazing. If it's true.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Like I'm I'm on the verge of just being like
this is completely made up. But let's go on me.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
But see, I see what you did there?

Speaker 3 (49:14):
See what I did there unintentionally to my mind. So
there's there's two ways that we can look at this.
So I'm gonna answer the question directly or specifically, and
that is, yes, spirits, if they have enough energy just
like pushing, touching, pulling your hair or whatever, they can't

(49:36):
have They can't have sex with you for how long
I don't know. But there are unfortunately a lot of
stories and people and women who have had encounters with
spirits who have felt like they were sexually assaulted. Not

(49:57):
like this at all ever. And I say women because
I know if men have a female ghost, they'd be
like it'd be Dan Akroyd in Ghostbusters. It'd be like, oh,
a ghost is in doing my pants. Okay, I'm all
for that, So yeah, mend be a little different. But

(50:24):
in this instance, honestly, I don't think anything paranormal is
happening with you. There is, at least I believe there is.
I haven't looked up, but I believe there is an actual,

(50:47):
like medical issue called sex omnia, and that is people
who are pent up or whatever will literally have sex
in their sleep, So there is and then obviously not
remember it. There is a very good chance you are
doing it to yourself. Why I have no idea. That's

(51:07):
between you and whatever hardships in your life are going
on right now. But like I said, I think it
would take so much energy to move you into position
and then actually go through the d to the point
where you feel it when you wake up. So I

(51:33):
would talk to somebody about maybe set up a camera.
I can't believe I just said that, But I did
not put out on the YouTube or anything, but for
your own mental state, for your own confirmation, to see
what is going on when this actually happens, and then

(51:55):
delete it. So I the only time ever I've ever
seen I put up a camera and it had to
be this.

Speaker 4 (52:03):
MH and only send it two places. Keep it in
your private library, and send a copy to Mike because
he wants to verify what's happening. There might be something
you missed, Yeah, yeah, you might have. You might have
not been paying attention. So make sure it's in four
K so I can slow it down and just speed
if I have to without causing blurring effects.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Ye so four k I R.

Speaker 4 (52:26):
Yeah, all right, So I'm going two totally different directions.
Nice a alien, anal probe. This is the absolute perfect story.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
I honestly thought about that, and I was honestly gonna
put it in my answer.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
The day's gonna go alien, I am, I'm going alien.
I'm going anal probe. Alien. Uh, could be very legitimate answer.
And the Aliens don't know any better. So when they
drop you back in the bed, but they just drop
you down, then you know, you know, you get transported
up to the ship, they do their anal probe, you
get thrown back into bed. You're still in the anal

(53:07):
prope position. So you know, you wake up. It's once
a week. It isn't happening every night. So that's one answer. Now,
that is, and that is kind of like my legitimate answer,
although I think it's a little far fetched, but it
is my legitimate answer. But here's the more realistic answer.
I like the fact what Mike said, right, you've got
something pent up and that you're having sex and you're

(53:28):
doing it to yourself. So by the fact that you're
hearing somebody say take it, take it, you naughty girl,
because that's what she's hearing. She just didn't put that
in there. That is, you like wanting to be submissive,
and you need to go see a shrink because you're

(53:49):
probably doing this to yourself, sexual fantasy type of thing
for whatever reason, it's playing itself out or and this
is the scary part, there's a human answer for this.
You know. Maybe this is happening every Sunday, and maybe
Sunday afternoon your next door neighbor comes over and you

(54:13):
have a few cocktails together, and it's kind of a
you know, it's an ongoing thing and you've been doing
it every week and da da da da da, And
maybe there's a roofie in there, or maybe they're doing
something to you that knocks you out and then raping you.
And I hope that's not happening. But if you set
a camera up, you certainly would have an answer for that,

(54:34):
you know, and then you'd have something to take to
the police and send the sicko to jail. So I
think that it would depend on a lot of things.
But I think that could be a total lie, could
be an alien probe, could be your next door neighbor
drugging you. I don't know, but it's a serious thing.

(54:58):
I mean, I if it were if I put myself
in your shoes and this was happening to me, I
don't know that I would be calm about it to
the fact that I'd be writing about it casually or
writing a question and casually to a podcast and saying, hey, guys,

(55:18):
for you know, the last six months, every week I
wake up in the pro position like doggie style, and
my butt really hurts. You know. I would think that
you would go resolve that like I'd be. I would
be afraid of what is happening, and I'd be looking
for some answers, which I guess writing to us could

(55:40):
be the answer. You know, maybe we gave you the answer.
I don't know. Interesting though, that's I have not I
definitely have. I have. I've had people tell me they've
had sex with spirits. Obviously, suckubisses are a thing. Uh.

(56:00):
We talked about the lady in England who married the ghost,
and I'm sure that they consummated their marriage. You know,
Mozart was going to be there, and Elvis and a
few other people, so you know, maybe it was a
group thing. I mean, who knows, but it's interesting, you know.
So there are people out there that claim to have

(56:22):
sex with ghosts. All right, moving on, let's see where
I want to go. I'm going to go here, So
shadow person following me? I think this is a good
follow up question to the one that we talked about earlier,

(56:43):
how it wasn't a shadow person? So, I twenty nine
year old female, have been told by many people in
my life that they see a shadow figure following me.
Once my younger cousin told me she saw it following
me around a room, and also told me before she
has seen it standing at the end of my bed
watching me. I've had several different people ask me who

(57:04):
I was who I was with when I was driving
because they saw someone sitting in my passenger seat, yet
I was totally alone. One time, my dad's roommate said,
you're not going to invite your friend inside, and I said,
what do you mean because I was alone at the time.
I didn't have any friends with me, And he said,
as he drove past me on the way to my

(57:24):
dad's he saw someone sitting next to me in the car. Today,
I went to a medium for the first time and
she said a shadow figure came up to her but
wouldn't let her know who they are. This is interesting.
This to me is more of a legitimate, potentially legitimate
shadow person type pod. The reason I say that is

(57:48):
because numerous other people are seeing the shadow figure following
you around, and to me, that's not a good sign.
To me, this is this is something I would be
concerned with, seeing something out of the corner of your eye,
thinking that something got misplaced in the room. A million

(58:11):
natural explanations five, six, eight ten. People telling you that
they see somebody sitting next to you in your car
when you're all alone, you know that they see somebody
walking behind you, like a shadow of your like your
actual shadow being alive and walking behind you. That's not

(58:35):
a good thing. And there's no reason why an attachment
or somebody who wanted to come visit you, they wouldn't
be maybe sitting in the car once type of thing.
Maybe maybe, and that's a big maybe. But walking around
the house, standing at the edge of your bed, menacingly

(58:57):
staring at you while you sleep. Yeah, I don't I
don't have a good feeling about this one. And I
really don't like the fact I love the fact that
you went to a medium to try and figure out
what's going on. I really don't like the fact that
a shadow figure came up into the room but wouldn't
go near the medium because to me, that just screams

(59:21):
fear of disclosure, and that's not a good thing. So
if it was a positive, if it was your grandpa,
your grandpa's not going to run away when the medium
opens up and tries to connect with your grandpa and say, hey,
you know, you're freaking your granddaughter out. You know, maybe
you shouldn't follow so close, or maybe visit once a

(59:43):
month or whatever. But the fact that this shadow figure
decided that it didn't want to be known after it
showed up in the room, that concerns me. So Bo,
I don't know where to go here. I think that
you need to get somebody who's really gifted and somebody

(01:00:04):
who really deals with shadow figures or shadow people. And
I know they're two different things, but I don't know
what this one is. I can't categorize which one this says,
but I don't think it's a good one. So I
would say it's a shadow person you need to figure out,

(01:00:24):
like you need to call Amy Allen and say, hey,
you know, can you send me some tarwater and some
pink blessed salts and then, you know, call a few
other people, get some blessed metals, bury them in the
corner of your yard. I mean, I don't I would
go full blowing. I'd go full manthy on this one,
just to get the hell out of there. I don't
know what's going to work. So I'm just throwing everything

(01:00:46):
at the wall. See what sticks. Blessed metals in the
four corners of the yard, Salt at the windows and doors,
wear a blessed metal myself, tar oil, saging, you name it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
So there's one thing that bothers me about this, and
that is it seems every single person is able to
see the shadow figure but her, And usually it's the
other way around. Usually the usually the I don't want

(01:01:26):
to call her, I don't want to call her the victim.
But usually the person who is being affected by the
shadow figure is the one that sees it all the time.
And they're like, it's always following me, it's always around,
it's always in my passenger seat. Nobody can see it
but me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Blah blah blah blah. Right, and people think you're.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
Nuts, and people think you're nuts. This is the exact opposite.
Everybody else is seeing this thing, but her, it's not
bothering her in any way, shape or form. She goes
to the medium not because it's bothering her, but she's like,
everybody keeps telling me that there's this chef figure follow
me around. What is that all about? This is like
when like Margie and stuff like that are telling me

(01:02:08):
about my attachment and they're like, you have this woman
following you around and I'm like, huh, what are you
talking about. Nobody's following me around that there's this thing about,
you know, about workman's chapel and stuff, and I'm like,
that was like six months ago. I'm like, what's she's
waiting for me to die of old age, you know.

(01:02:28):
I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. I
haven't experienced anything. I haven't you know, felt anything. I
haven't you know nothing. And that's exactly what this seems
to be. And that's the only reason that I went
and found it, you know, tried to find answers or
rectify the situation, because somebody else had to tell me
what was going up, and so but again that's not

(01:02:55):
even it's similar, but it's not the same because you
have regular people here. I was being told by psychic
mediums and stuff like that that that was going on.
You never saw her. I never saw her. You know,
normal people never be like, who's that girl that's following
you out? Like nobody ever said that. It was always
psychic mediums that were able to see that I had

(01:03:15):
this this attachment, right, And so that bothers me because
it makes me think that maybe this it's not so
much a shadow figure, but maybe a psychic projection from her,

(01:03:35):
you know, the psychic mediums she went to. We don't
even know if this person is reputable, maybe, she said,
I you know, maybe she told her the backstory. You know,
there's people say there's a shadow figure following me around
blah blah blah, and in order to get her money,
she's like, yeah, the shadow figure is fine, but they
won't tell me any information. Well, how convenient, you know.

(01:03:57):
I So I agree with you, and you said, find
somebody who really knows what they're doing, has a lot
of experience in doing this and is able to see
if there actually is anything there that is that is
doing it. I mean, Dave, you can take a I'm
surprised you didn't say it, but you don't take a

(01:04:20):
page out of your book and set your boundaries. You
don't be like, look, if you're around me, I don't
know why, but you're freaking everybody else out. So for
everybody else's sake, could you just leave me alone? You
know that sort of thing. It's just I don't think
there's anything bad here. I get where you're coming from, absolutely,

(01:04:46):
I do with the whole lea. He doesn't want to
share any information. I just don't think that there's a
actual spirit connected to her. I think it's something that
she is doing, not intentionally obviously, but she could be very,

(01:05:07):
very gifted the point where she can send out psychic
images and stuff like that for other people to see.
But yeah, that's that's where I'm going with that one.
But yeah, I I I'm unshaking around with this one,
just because it's so odd that it's completely reversed.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
Yeah, well that's why I liked it. I think it's
a great one to the one that we had earlier,
which I don't think is a shadow person. Then I
do think that this is a shadow person. And here
and so between you talking and then screaming into my
ear NonStop to say it. So if I don't say it,

(01:05:51):
I'll probably get shoved down the stairs. Is this is
a perfect example of somebody who's got a lot of
white light and you got something really dark that doesn't
like that, and was sent to try and disrupt it.
And so this thing is following her around exactly like
her shadow would be, and it's trying to chip away

(01:06:13):
at who she is, at her kind of light shield
or light encasement, and it's constantly there. It's constantly there.
She can't see it because she's her vibration level is
not dropped low enough for her to see it, but
it's there, and it's kind of picking away trying to
find a weak spot. And everybody else, for whatever reason,

(01:06:36):
sees it, but she's not seeing it. That's what I
said it, But that's what I've been hearing NonStop. So
I don't know. Maybe that's a great I mean, maybe
that's a great thing, right. Maybe she's really good and

(01:06:58):
really powerful. I mean, maybe this is kind of a
person who the hat Man came and visited and tried
to disrupt her life and sent her on a different path,
and she was basically like, get out of here, you know,
and then she went on with her life. And maybe
she's the kind of person that brings a ton of
white light and love to people and makes things positive

(01:07:21):
and brings good energy and healing energy. And then, of course,
if that is the case, and I guess this is speculation,
but if that is the case, then absolutely I'm gonna
throw a hundred percent stamp on it that something negative
would show up trying to chip away at your light.

(01:07:41):
Probably a whole tribe of them, a whole legion for
those who want to use proper terminology, right, you'd have
a whole legion show up, and he would just keep
firing and fire in and fireing away until he got
a chip in the armor or a chink than they
could focus on. And so far they're just wasted bullets.

(01:08:08):
I know that went off way off on a tangent,
but that's kind of what I my gut's telling me.
It's something similar to that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
That's another question for because I know you want to
do a frequency vibration show. Yeah, but that's an interesting question.
Are certain people vibrating at such a higher level or
lower level that they can't. They can't see spirits whereas

(01:08:46):
other people can. But I would think that if you're
vibrating at a higher frequency or at a higher level,
you'd be able to see all spirits beneath you, whereas
if you're going from below, you can't see any that
are above.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
I think if you're if you're operating at such a
high level of vibration, I think that you're just encased
in your cocoon of white light. I don't I don't
think that you see anybody. I mean maybe a visit,
like maybe this person sees that a no and has
frequent conversations with their guardian angels because they're up at

(01:09:26):
that vibration level that their angels are at. So maybe
because of that vibration, maybe you know, maybe she just
doesn't want to see I don't know, but it makes
total sense if you think about the fact that something
is constantly seen with her. That's I agree with you,
that's strange. It's exactly the opposite of what we see.

(01:09:50):
Ninety nine percent of the time. It's Hey, I got
this thing following me around, and I don't know where
to go or who to say it to, because if
I say it out loud. I'm going to get this
stigma and people are going to categorize me as nuts
or oh hey, did you hear what Carol said? Did
you hear?

Speaker 5 (01:10:08):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:10:08):
It would be the water cooler conversation of the year.
Said she saw something on the corner of her eye
and it keeps following her around. She's told I told
her she was insane. You know, Well, that's just how
people are. So, you know, I think that I don't know.
I find it very interesting and I think that I

(01:10:30):
will say this. I upgraded a pretty high frequency just normally,
and I don't have many experiences. But when I drop
my frequency down intentionally, it's a whole different game. Like
I intentionally lower my frequency to interact with what's around us.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
I don't have that ability.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):
Yeah, well, yep, you might learn it. It takes time, babe.
See I would say, ask Sena to help you with that,
but I'm going to tell you she probably I could.
I could see her already shaking her head like violently, like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
No, no, of course she would.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
We're not doing the roller coaster ride and putting ourselves
out there as bait.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Yeah, that's not That wouldn't be your response at all,
but that's all right, all righty well main topic sure, alrighty.
So main topics Night obviously is taking a look at
what well the religions of the world h feel or

(01:11:52):
believe or view of the paranormal and and more more
specifically the supernatural version of it, because there's nothing in
the Bible that deals with sasquatch, so we can't really
really talk.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
About that, as I say, not that I read anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 7 (01:12:13):
Mostly the the the the main religions, because I don't
think that the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster has
really dug into their.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Views of the paranormal or the spirits, so.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
We'll be leaving some of those out.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
But yes, so again, and we said this at the
beginning of the show. But if you're joining us, uh
with with the episode already in progress, again, Dave and
I are not experts in this. We are not pretending
to be. We are throwing stuff out there as best
we can, and then we're going to discuss it, which

(01:12:55):
is just our opinions. And none of this in any way,
shape or orm is a judgment on anybody's religion. It's
we're not saying what's right. We're not saying what's wrong.
We're just saying these are their beliefs. Take it as
take take it for what it is, and if we
are wrong on something, by all means correct us.

Speaker 4 (01:13:17):
Absolutely. This is the entry level course. Yeah, this is
ghosts in religious beliefs, one on one. Yeah, we are
covering the a very top layer of the conversation here.
We're not digging any deeper than we're skimming the surface. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
So, uh, let's start, obviously with what is the main
I think I think the main religion of the world
is obviously Roman Catholic.

Speaker 6 (01:13:49):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
And it it's interesting, So I'm just gonna summarize and
then we can discuss if need be. Obviously we've talked
about this over the last eight years, so none of
this comes as any short as any sort of surprise.
But obviously, when somebody dies, their spirit goes to heaven, hell.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Or purgatory. That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Those are the three options. You don't have any free
will here.

Speaker 4 (01:14:20):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
And the Roman casts are not the only religion to
have this view, and that is ghosts are not spirits
of the dead, but malevolent spirits or demons.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
I think the Protestant faith also has the there's no
such things as ghosts or spirits. Everything is a demon
trying to trick you. There are other religions who have
the same take on ghosts, but are are different on
what they are. And we'll we'll, we'll get to that
here shortly. And attempts to contact spirit. It is strictly forbidden,

(01:15:02):
absolutely because Heaven forbid you should actually figure out that
maybe it's not correct.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
Well, I think it's more of the they don't want
you to lose your soul to the devil. I mean,
I grew up Greek Orthodox, which is like Roman Catholic
on steroids, and it was very strictly forbidden, like there

(01:15:31):
was when I was experiencing all those things in my
house and stuff was messing with me, and it was
getting worse and worse, and I would go to church
and try to talk to and I don't want to
say his name just in case there's anybody listening, because
I don't want this to sound disrespectful, but well to

(01:15:54):
say father D. So when I would go and try
to have a conversation with him or talk to him
about it, or share with them, instantly I would get
the blessing and told that you know, you're not allowed
to do that. You're not allowed to communicate. There's nothing
there that is positive. There's nothing, nothing there that is

(01:16:23):
trying to help you in any way, shape or form.
Anything that is there is just trying to convert you
to darkness and to get and to sell your soul.
And if you're a devout Roman Catholic, you know exactly
what I'm talking about. I mean, I'm not a Roman
Catholic anymore. I just it just became too defined and

(01:16:46):
closed box for me. But I consider myself to be
Christian and Christianity there are hundreds and hundreds, if not
thousands of instances where Christians have seen miracles, have seen

(01:17:10):
Mother Teresa come back, have seen Fatimah, have seen it,
you know, angels come down, and you know, just people
that have passed come back and relay a message. So
I subscribe more to that now, plus everything I've experienced

(01:17:32):
and everything that I have witnessed now that I dug
into it. But you couldn't. There's no way in hell
you could tell me that there's not something else around us.
There's just absolutely no way. And if you put yourself
in my shoes, you would agree with that statement. One
hundred percent three times? Did I said one hundred percent?

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
I was going to say, I was just thinking the
same thing I caught myself.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
I can't say it anymore now for like the six
months I'm going to what's happening to me in twenty
twenty five?

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
You're getting more sure of yourself, Dave, I guess so.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
But yeah, that's the difference between Roman Catholics and Christians.
I think both believe in God, both believe in Jesus Christ.
Both believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and savior
and died to forgive our sins. And you know that
we're that we're going to be in His grace when
we pass from this meet suit we're in now. But
as a Christian I can talk to spirits. As a

(01:18:29):
Roman Catholic I cannot.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
So, all right, well I did the first one, so you're.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Up, all right. Well I was thinking we would just
go kind of gloss over all of them. Well we are,
and then well I don't want to dig into each
one one by one, is what I'm saying, Like, I
just want to give a basic overview of like the difference,
and then jump back into him deeper. Okay, do I

(01:19:02):
do that no matter me all right, because I'm going
all over the place with this because I found some
things that I want to talk about that aren't necessarily
religion specific to a religion, Like it's not to Hinduism only,
it's not to Buddhism only, or Islamic or Judaism, and
we'll get there. So anyway, Hindus believe in ghosts, especially

(01:19:25):
those who die violently or without proper rituals. Buddhists believe
in ghosts and including reincarnated individuals and those who are
working out bad karma. That's what I love about Buddhism
like a little I'm into Buddhism a little bit because
it's the same concept to me of being spun back out,

(01:19:47):
coming back living another life because you're working out your karma,
you're working out issues that you were sent back for.
And Sina would be the first one to say that,
and I know a dozen other friends of ours would
be the same way. Well, yeah, because you're coming back
because you're that's what you signed up for. That's what
you know. Yeah, I didn't sign up for. I didn't

(01:20:07):
sign up for half of the shit I had. I
know that either that or I was in the wrong line.
Nobody told me to get in the other line. But anyway,
and then I'll say Judaism. Jews have stories of both
evil and helpful ghosts, but generally they run in the
same pack as like Roman Catholics. They discourage you contacting
the dead heavily frowned upon. I get it, and you

(01:20:35):
can hit the other ones. What do you got up?

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
Well, I I definitely want to hit Judaism.

Speaker 4 (01:20:43):
Yeah, we'll hit Judy. We're gonna hit all these harder.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Because yeah, there's a lot that I found there. So
Jehovah witnesses they're they're more than just walking down the
street in their little uniforms and asking you for money.
That is what they do, don't they. Oh they ask you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:02):
No, no, no, no. They pray with you at your
front door. And they have on white shirt, black pants,
white sox, black shoes.

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
Yeah, their uniform. Yeah, you wouldn't think that they would
have beliefs other than just praying with you. But whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
I don't see many of them around anymore all the time.
Where I grew up, they used to stop by every
week every weekend. Here'd be the church van Park, big
old one of them fifteen people vans and Dodge Maxi's
fifteen people pile out and just take off different directions,
and then you knew the knocking. Do you have met

(01:21:41):
I could share a word of God with you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
I have you ever seen him a door?

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
For?

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
No God? No, I don't answer the door for anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:21:49):
Yes, it's that you never answered the door.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
I never answered the door.

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
Like You're never gonna win the Publisher's Clearinghouse prize because
they're gonna be like, oh, he's not home. I guess
we got to go to our second name. We pulled.
Who's that? Oh, David swy Ring. Oh yeah, all right,
Davi will answer the door.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
Yeah, probably catch him when he's, you know, buying a
magazine subscriptions from the local high school kid.

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
No, I mean I peek around the corner to see
who it is. So if they have a big check
in their hand, well I'll answer the door.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
And balloons AND's got balloons?

Speaker 3 (01:22:22):
Yeah, I look up my window a lot, so if
I see that pull up, I will answer the door
like if I ordered pizza. Anyway, they believe when someone dies,
and this goes kind of to the whole no answer
thing when someone dies, their spirit is powerless and is
unable to interact with the living world. Demons or unclean

(01:22:48):
spirits deceive humans by posing as spirits of the dead
to keep believers from worshiping Jehovah. I I don't know
where they get that. I have never come in contact
with anybody with any spirit who is like that. Jehovah's
a real wuss. You don't want to worship that guy.
Like I've never seen anybody talk out of training for

(01:23:13):
worshiping Jehovah. No, and again, attempts to contact spirits is
strictly forbidden Lutherans. There are our realms in which spirits
exist in the absence of specific biblical evidence. The Church

(01:23:33):
does not speculate on whether ghosts exists or not, and
Lutherans do believe in biblical teachings against occultism and contacting
the dead. My grandmother was a very devout Lutheran, and
when I got into the paranormal, at first it was

(01:23:54):
a joke to her, like she laughed her ass off.
I didn't seen her laughed at Harden in years. At
that point.

Speaker 4 (01:24:01):
Well, look at the jow, look at the joy you
brought to her life that day.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
Right, And that was right before I went out with
you know you Steve and and you know moon Dance.
And then when I told her about what went on
that first time, she didn't find that funny anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Yeah, I bet she didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:19):
After that it was very like, you should be doing that,
you should be doing that. And then later it just
became to say any ghosts, and then you know, we'd
have a conversation. I'm like, no, this is what happened.
So but so for Islam, which I think is this

(01:24:41):
second the second biggest religion, Yeah, yeah, I thought, And
this is interesting because I didn't know this. Once a
person dies, their soul remains in the grave and a
barrier is set up. They cannot return to the place
of the living. Neither can they send to heaven or Hell.

(01:25:01):
Just yet. Right, there are gin, So this is another
one of those, like the different version of a demon,
the Gin, which are another creation of Allah that live
in a world parallel to humans. They are physically invisible
and possess powers, including taking on different physical forms, so

(01:25:23):
another shape shifter yep, and Gin can sometimes appear as
ghosts and attempt to lead people astray. I thought that
was interesting, especially the whole, like the ghost remains in
the grave and a barrier set up, Like what kind
of barrier.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
Well, if you're a supernatural fan, you know that gin
exists because they slowly drain you of your blood and
your life force. But they're kind in the respect that
they take you to a happy place while you're being drained.

Speaker 3 (01:26:01):
They are the supernatural drugs.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
Yeah, you're getting roofed by the gins. Yeah, but you're
on a good ride while your life force is being
stolen from you. Yeah, the supernatural matrix thing in a way,
you know, So does that really do you even really know?
Like you don't know what's happening? So what the heck?
Because they have a lot worse ways to go than that.

(01:26:27):
But you know, I find that interesting too. And finally,
oh I have no go ahead, Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
So the Church of Latter Day Saints, there is actually
no firm doctor in our whether ghosts even exist. However,
they do say that spirits who are contacted by mediums
are most likely demons who were cast out of heaven
during the rebellion. Interesting, very specific uh. Some Latter Day

(01:27:02):
Saints leaders have speculated that the spirits of those who
have passed on are not far from the living? I
could see that.

Speaker 4 (01:27:12):
And obviously, what do you think not far from the
living means? Like what's your personal take on, like what
that statement means?

Speaker 3 (01:27:22):
That they're always around, they're not far away.

Speaker 4 (01:27:28):
Yeah, so in a sense like they're waiting for the
bus to show up kind of thing. And while they are,
they're just mingling, intermingling with.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
Us, I suppose. I mean, there's nothing here, uh that
says when people die, where they go.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
Right, No, that's not what we're talking about here. We're
just yeah, we're just talking about how different religions view
the concept of a ghost, right not not Uh, you know,
we're not going to dig deeper than that today.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
But they say occultism, seances, buigi boards, spiritualism are tools
of Satan and are to be avoided.

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
And I would say that they're very closely in line
with Protestants and Lutherans and Roman Catholics Greek Orthodox in
that respect, right.

Speaker 3 (01:28:26):
I I Occultism, eh if he seances and ouigi boards,
I don't know if they're tools of Satan, they're just
not good. But spiritualism I don't agree with that one
at all. Like I wouldn't say spiritualism is a tool
of Satan.

Speaker 4 (01:28:46):
I wouldn't say any of it necessary is a tool
of Satan. I think that's a pretty strong statement. Well yeah,
but anytime that you are asking the veil to open,
and in those instances, every one of those things that
we're talking about, that's exactly what you're doing. You're asking

(01:29:07):
to cross into someplace that we don't that we can't see,
and then reaching in and arbitrarily pulling something out. And
that's that's kind of how I see it, right. It's
like the like trick or treat bag or Santa's back,
like you get your hand into veil. Like there's people

(01:29:28):
who can reach into the veil. Let's just say that
for right now. We'll just call them mediums. They reach
their hand into the veil, they want to have a seance.
They say, okay, Tommy, the son that got you know
that died of pneumonia. Your mom and dad are here
and they want to talk to you, and Tommy going once, going,
oh there he is. And then you pull them through.
And the real question is is it Tommy? That's the

(01:29:54):
real question. So I don't know. I think that And
the reason I asked you that is because I think
that when we pass, our energy is going to go
wherever the hell it wants to go. I don't think
we're going to be trapped to stick around. I think
that I think more and more and more that spirits

(01:30:19):
that you see that are intellectual hauntings are either are
there for like emotional reasons. They just they themselves have
not moved on yet. Maybe they're angry about what happened
at the end of their life. Maybe they're angry about
the relationship they had with their kids and how they
saw it going a totally different way. Maybe, you know,

(01:30:41):
like we talked about, thousands of times, they died a
violent way or instantaneous like a widow maker heart attack
and just drop dead and they don't know that they're dead,
so they're confused and they're looking around and looking for help.
You know. I think that that's those are the people
that are stuck. The people that have the way that

(01:31:02):
you know, are just like, Okay, it's my time. I
think it's going to be like what that guy shared
with my client. You know, it's going to be like
you're gonna wake up and you're going to be one
of the stars and the cosmos and there's just going
to be this overwhelming sense of well being and love
and kindness and so anyway, AnyWho? All right, so I

(01:31:26):
found something interesting I want to read. So where are
we going here? All right? So, the mythologist Joseph Campbell
once wrote that Buddhists don't dream of christ. His point
is simple, if your identity is bound up to a
certain set of beliefs, you're likely not going to be

(01:31:47):
unconsciously invaded by a different figure from another set, especially
if you've never had contact with that system. I think
that's a very interesting concept. The same thing as you know.
I'm not big into Buddhism or Hinduism, but like what
I see Buddha like when I pass, Like, is Buddha

(01:32:08):
going to be the one at the purlygates? I don't
think so, right, it'd be weird if it was, but
who knows. Campbell johnted down this idea well before the Internet, obviously.
But do Buddhist seek Christian ghosts? The concept of ghosts
is universal in Buddhism. There are even categories of ghosts.

(01:32:29):
Hungry ghosts are being driven by intense emotional desires, while ghosts,
as we generally know them in America, Apparitions of the
deceased also exist, it says Taoism, which we didn't touch on.
Hungry ghosts emerge from either from the ether if they're
meat casing of a human body died violently or unhappily.

(01:32:56):
So that's interesting, right. So if you're a Taoist and
you die a peaceful pass away peacefully, you're just out
of here, man, You're just gone. But if God forbid
you die violently or you're not happy that you died,
you're ripping yourself out of the ether and put yourself

(01:33:18):
back into meat casing. I absolutely love that, and I'm
reading this verbatim, so it's exactly how I would describe
it too. But you know, that's that's a couple of
interesting concepts, right, And then he goes down to talk
more about like Protestant Catholics that it uh, you know,
believe in resurrection and judgment which eventually ends up in

(01:33:38):
heavenly realm or in the heavenly realm or in hellish domain. Catholics,
he says, throw in a purgatory for a good measure.
So is so is that do you think that he's

(01:33:58):
onto something there? As far as these religious containment walls,
and of course there's going to be some bleedover. But
I mean, if you're a true Buddhist or a true
Roman Catholic, and that is your rock solid belief, you know,
if you're a Roman Catholic, I'm going to tell you,
if you're a true Roman Catholic, when you die, you're

(01:34:22):
going to see Jesus. That's just how it is. And
there's going to be other loved ones around and but
you know, other religions, what are you experiencing? You know,
if your Buddhist is Jesus coming well to me? I

(01:34:43):
would say yes, because I think that there's only one.
I only believe in one. There's probably a multifaceted side
to him. But I believe in one God.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
But if you if you want to take into account,
like even you know, when I had when I interviewed
Scott on the show about about a biblical myths or
things that people believe from the Bible that are actually incorrect.
You know, one of the things that I learned, obviously

(01:35:22):
is that God in the Roman Catholic faith and faith
and Allah in the islam faith are the same same entity,
just different names for the same same being right. And
and if you want to take what Cina always says,
I was just just the whatever God or whatever god

(01:35:44):
entity or whatever they created all these the tree of
life or whatever, you know, Why can't he look however
he wants so?

Speaker 4 (01:35:57):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
So why can't people who who when they passed away,
they expect to see Jesus Christ. They see Jesus Christ.
Those who live their life believing in Allah and all
the looks like this, and they believe in Buddha, and
Buddha looks like this. When they die, that's what they
see because that's what they're expecting to see. I don't

(01:36:18):
think there's one form that you know, so people who
believe in Buddhists or Hinduism or Judaism, they see Jesus Christ,
because that would mean the Roman Catholics and whatever they
are people they had it correct. One thing we didn't
talk about at all, which wasn't in any of my

(01:36:39):
list as Mormons. I go back to the whole uh uh.
There's a South Park episode that I thought was absolutely hilarious,
and well, they're all abstually hilarious, but this particular poton
was somebody asked, I can't even remember who they asked
who was right about the afterlife. It's like, oh, it

(01:37:01):
was the Mormons, and then it went over to Mormon
heaven or whatever it was, had a scene there. But
but I mean, and this honestly goes back to my
theory of books self actualization. I think you experience what
you expect to experience and end of theory, I think

(01:37:29):
you just I think you see who you are expecting
to see, so.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
That I wonder if you, at the last second, right
at that last second.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Change your mind.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
Yeah, right, Like like I'm just going back to Ghostbusters,
you know, when they're like, don't think of anything, keep
your mind pure, don't think of anything. Oh goodness, you
see to see the State Book, marshmallow Man at the gates,
you know, instead of Saint Peter. I don't, I don't know,

(01:38:10):
I don't know. I think it's I think it's interesting.
I think that whatever you believe in is perfectly fine.
I don't have any opinion on other people's religious beliefs.
You believe whatever you want to believe. I suppose you
could throw atheists in here too, because even though atheists

(01:38:31):
don't believe in God, there's still obviously it's a religion
in kind of the respect of you just don't believe
in anything. I mean, I know atheists don't believe in
ghosts because there is no there's nothing. You know. The
whole thing of being an atheist is when you die,
that's it. It's just eternal darkness. You don't go on,

(01:38:53):
there's no energy moving forward.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Is that atheists or is that agnostic?

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
That's atheists? Is you're on the fence. Yeah, I've had
these great positive moments, but you know, Jesus doesn't come
down every Sunday and have coffee and I asked him to.
I don't understand it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
You know that an.

Speaker 4 (01:39:16):
Atheist I had. Yeah, atheists is the staunch there's nothing,
there's nothing here. You're all idiots. The earth is flat,
The space landing was fake. M you know that. That's
like the atheists mental Everything has a black and white
to it. It's just all black and white. That can't

(01:39:37):
possibly be, uh, you know, anything that goes beyond this,
because that's just the way it is. You're just going
to turn to worm food and and that's it and stop.
You know, so you better live your life like it's
your last moment. If everybody lived their life like it
was their last moment. The world be chaos. All it

(01:40:00):
would be is chaos because everybody'd be running around doing
what they want to. There'd be no set rules, no normalcies,
no nothing, because everybody'd be living their life like it's
their last moment.

Speaker 3 (01:40:12):
I think if it was I had to live my
life here, my eyes should be a lot bigger.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
I'm not even going to say what I'd be doing.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
But yeah, so family show exactly. So, although we did
have a story about as faced out, maybe maybe this
episode it's not so much family friendly.

Speaker 4 (01:40:43):
Well that was that was a legitimate question sent then,
I mean, I got it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:48):
I'm just saying I want to I want to talk
about this. I want to make sure we talk about this.
We only got twenty minutes lefter the show, That's.

Speaker 4 (01:40:55):
True, you know, we got a lot, we got a
lot more to talk about, I.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Know, but I want to make sure we got to
talk about this because it has a lot of different
things that I you know that I've come in contact
as an investigator that are almost like answers to some
of my questions. So I want to because you touched

(01:41:19):
on it very very briefly, but you didn't hit like
any like what I thought was like the very important
stuff about Judaism.

Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
So when a.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
Person dies, their spirit is divided into three aspects. One
goes to heaven shortly after death, One wanders around the
physical plane seeking the body it came from and will
eventually fade away, and another remains by the buried body forever.

(01:41:50):
A dipic is a ghost of a deceased person who
will possess another human for malevolent purposes. We've talked about
dippicks before this, so the first one was very very
to me, and we'll get into that and sort This
is also very interesting, especially the way they put it
in iber Ibbu are never heard seen that word before
in my life. Is a ghost of a deceased person

(01:42:13):
who will quote unquote impregnant itself in a human for
benevolent purposes.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
They will be.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Thought of as a spiritual guide or guardian angel. When
the person no longer needs them, the spirit will leave
on its own accord. That's interesting just the way it
was phrased, you know, because you know, going back to
the first one about the three aspects, you know, it's

(01:42:42):
always been one of my question as to why spirits
are around graveyards. Oh, absolutely, always been one since since
day one, which was obviously my very first investigation of semptes.
Why are we even here? Why would a spirit be here?
And we've gotten you and I have both gotten a
hundred EVPs and pieces of evidence out of cemeteries, but.

Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
Amazing, absolutely amazing stuff too. I cannot believe. I'm still
I knew, I knew that those places I looked up
were going to be good. I just knew it it
might when I saw them. But I just flabbergasted by
the experiences we had there and the evidence and stuff
that we caught. It was just it is weird that
it's that active, but it makes total sense, you know

(01:43:29):
if so I wonder if you want to just a
Jewish cemetery, right so, like I'm sure that they probably
have Jewish cemeteries, right like so the synagogue, so you've
got like.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
Well you probably see if you get like a graveyard
connected to a zion church.

Speaker 4 (01:43:47):
Yeah or that, right, So I wonder then you know,
with that concept, it would just be like a busy
diner in New York, right soup on three? You don't,
I mean people yelling across the room at each other.
And you know, getting a three foot tall roast beef

(01:44:08):
sandwich and you know Moti ball soup, and I just
I wonder if it would be that way. I mean,
I just wonder if you walked in, if it would
be super busy like that. I think that's very interesting too,
that you get fragmented, so a piece of yourself, a

(01:44:30):
piece of yourself is here, a piece of yourself is there,
and a piece of yourself is I mean, that's a
great like when they sat down and threw that concept
out right, They're like, okay, we're gonna cover the bases here.
One third of you walks around looking for your body.
That covers the ghosts that everybody sees wondering aimlessly. Around
one third stays by the cemetery. That's why people are

(01:44:51):
creeped up by cemeteries. You know. It's almost like they
were thinking about it as a movie, right, like we're
gonna answer, We're gonna wrap this all up and one
nice little concise statement, this is why this is, this
is why this is, this is why this is. I
love that.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
I mean, do you think it's it's I think it's
honestly possible. I mean, it fits into a lot of
different things.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
I agree with you. I'm not being sarcastic at all.

Speaker 3 (01:45:20):
I know I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:21):
I think that it answers a lot of questions.

Speaker 3 (01:45:26):
It does, and that's when I read it, I'm like, well,
I'll be damned. I'm like, will that one answer that
question for me?

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:45:34):
Have you ever heard of an ibber or a bore
or what the hell they how it's.

Speaker 4 (01:45:38):
Pronounced no, well debics. Yeah, but so that's like the
opposite of a depoc for for Judaism, then.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
Yeah, spiritual guide or guardian angel.

Speaker 4 (01:45:50):
Yeah, so you're bringing in the white light? Would be
the why don'd you pronounce it? I something? I I
BB you you are okay, So that would be the
good ghost helping you out, keeping you safe at your
time of need. And then a dippick would be obviously
just the opposite of that would be. And everybody knows

(01:46:11):
the word debock because it was made famous by the movies. Well,
I was gonna say it, it was made famous by movies.
But then also obviously with the whole Depiic box and
all of the hoopla that surrounded the Depiic Box and
stuff like that that Zach has so I mean, that
really got brought to the forefront. But you know, if

(01:46:35):
that is a real dipic box, it can't be the
only one. There's got to be people have. You know,
you'd think you would create thousands of them, that people
would have done them. I mean, I don't know. I
don't think there's never anyone and done with uh stuff.
That'd be like saying there's only one haunted doll, which
we know that's total bullshit. Yeah, well, as I say,

(01:47:01):
you sent me a picture just the other day out
of like the sixteen dollars, fourteen of them looked like
they were ready to rip your soul out. And then
the one that was creeping up the bed, you know
she was she was in charge, that was margin charge
with the red hair. She's going right for the whole,
right for the heart, grab a hold of the soul
and get everybody else to jump on board and start pulling.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
Of such a great photo. I knew you'd like that one.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
That was a great photo. I was like, nope, but
what do you you could enough to sleep in that bed?

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
So, I mean, what's your take on like the phrasing
of like the spirit, spirit guide or a guardian angel? Impregnates.

Speaker 4 (01:47:53):
But I think that's interesting. Yeah, I don't get it's
an that's an interesting way to describe it, right.

Speaker 3 (01:48:03):
I mean it isn't quotes, but I mean so it's
just their way of trying to describe it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
But well, I don't know, like enters you against your will?
Maybe well, I mean, but you just shoots inside of you.
I mean this doesn't literal translation.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
I mean, this doesn't even say like a deceased loved one,
a family member.

Speaker 4 (01:48:33):
It's just a deceased So somebody who's gonna somebody who's
gonna help you and keep you safe at a moment
of need.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
But I mean who makes that decision? Do they? Or
do does you know God or whoever the they don't
believe in?

Speaker 5 (01:48:54):
Does?

Speaker 4 (01:48:54):
I mean that question is above my pay grades, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
So if I died before you, could I you become
your spiritual guide just because I want to?

Speaker 4 (01:49:03):
If that's what you want to do, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:49:06):
Well, I know that's fine with you. But I'm just saying,
in general, could I just pick some random person like
my next door neighbor and just become their spiritual guide?
I mean, who makes that decision? Well, think of it Judaism.

Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
Now you got Mike frustrated and to figure out.

Speaker 3 (01:49:28):
Good concepts not not enough uh, not enough explanation. Yeah,
I don't know. I guess I just thought that that
was that was a really interesting concept. So I know,
we already talked about Buddhism in Hinduism, and there they

(01:49:49):
are very very close. You know, the Buddhists and Hindus
believe in ghosts. But well, this is one thing about
bud is ghost occupy a distinct overlapping world is what
a Buddhism belief is. And I think that that that's

(01:50:12):
very I didn't even know I that I harbor some
of these Buddhist beliefs as well, because God, just within
the last week, last couple of days, I think I
had that thought of like there's like there's just ghosts
all around us. There's spirits all around us, walking around,

(01:50:33):
walking in and out of houses everywhere, and they have
their own little world yep. And uh. And then I
saw obviously ghosts acts by a distinct overlapping world, and
I'm like, holy crap, like that falls into uh you
know what I believe, you know, is the the case here?

(01:50:55):
I mean, because I can't tell you how many times
I've been told, uh, happened the same day we're having
that meeting.

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
Where was it?

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
Chantelle I think was her name, told me about, you know,
the this woman who just came into my kitchen and
sat down, and I was just like, is it my mom? Like, no,
she's just she's visiting. She's just here because she likes
she likes your kitchen and you know, and then ten
minutes later and like she still no, she left.

Speaker 4 (01:51:31):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:51:32):
There was when Ricky lived here, very very gifted medium
and stuff like that. She would often ask me. She's like,
you know, weren't you woken up by all the slamming
cabinets or cupboards or whatever? And like, now I didn't
hear a thing. Apparently there was like some some teen
kid that decided to wander into my house and start slapping,

(01:51:53):
slamming my cabinets. What she, obviously, you know, was was
affected by but I wasn't because I'm not that sensitive.
So I mean, I think definitely that there is an
overlapping world of spirits. How many there are I have
no idea.

Speaker 4 (01:52:15):
Well, I think it's if that is true, then I'm
really really thankful that we're desensitized to that, because you
would not be able to exist if dead people were
walk constantly walking in and out of your house, uninvited,
slamming cabinets, staring at you while you're taking a crap

(01:52:36):
rummaging through your underwear drawer. You know, I mean it
just you couldn't live your life. You'd be disrupted all
the time. So if that is the case, maybe there
is a barrier there in our human mind. We're doing
the mind show. Maybe there's something in the human.

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
Mind what you've been saying for like, I don't know,
four years we're.

Speaker 4 (01:52:58):
Gonna do it. Maybe last year, No, this year, we'll
get in it. But but what if there's a you know,
a safety switch, right, I think that there is. Man,
we only use ten percent of our brain, what the
hell is the other ninety percent doing, right, It's got

(01:53:21):
to be doing something. It's doing something. It's alive. There's
energy all around, there's the electrical pulses shooting through the
whole entire brain, not just ten percent of it. So
you know, maybe it's maybe one of the things that's
in there is some sort of wall a shield. Just

(01:53:43):
because and I hear this all the time, and I
already know my answer to this, and so do our listeners.
I want to get the Kurt. I want the government
to peel back the curtain, take me and a handful
of other people and show me all the truths so
that I know exactly what's going on. I can handle that.

(01:54:04):
That's not I'm not going to walk out of there
insane with a drool cup sitting in the corner like
a feeble old man wedding myself. I'm gonna I can
handle anything you tell me. I can take. There's nothing
that you're gonna tell me. A might shock me, it
might cause me to become emotional, but it's not going

(01:54:28):
to take me out. But what if the human brain
does that? What if it knows, like what if somehow
we know through evolutionary process or from the galactic Council
or from whatever. What if we know that there has
to be a wall there? Otherwise we would all go

(01:54:50):
insane clinically Now there's a Scientif I'll throw some science
in there, we would all be clinically insane because you
it would just be constant interruptions and in your existence,
you would never get anything done. You'd be like a
certain percent of the population would be scared all the time.
Certain percent of the population would be loading up their

(01:55:12):
ar fifteen's, A certain percent of the population would be
sitting around a tree holding hands with white candles. You know,
I mean it, it would be all there'd be all
kinds of different responses. But I don't know. I think
that I think there has to be some sort of

(01:55:33):
safety net built in there because I wouldn't. I wouldn't
want that to happen. Well, I know you wouldn't either.
I mean, you don't want to get woken up the
middle of the night by some eighteen year old kids
slamming your cabinets being a dick.

Speaker 3 (01:55:46):
No, But I would think that if that were ever
to actually happen, that you would put you'd be able
to put up barriers, you.

Speaker 4 (01:55:57):
Know, the key people out.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
I mean you uh, And I know that like if
you had seen it, she can turn it on and off.
So I mean, I think people with like mediumship abilities,
I mean they just and that's always been a big
one is people who keep getting woken up a night
just like, well, you need to shut yourself down, you

(01:56:21):
need to close yourself off. And I think that that's
that's why I think it's so that these spirits are
just kind of meandering around or checking out your stuff,
or you do it, whatever can bother you until you're
ready to tap back in.

Speaker 4 (01:56:40):
Yeah, we're gonna have to bring this. This is good.
There's gonna be a part two to this, all right.
We didn't get any We didn't get anywhere deep enough
for I mean, we didn't you know, as I'm sitting
here kind of just thinking, what about voodoo? Voodoo is
a religion again, totally different concept up of Yeah, so

(01:57:04):
there's gonna be a part two to this because we've
got three minutes left, so obviously we're not gonna slam
in in three minutes. But we did hit you know,
Judaism is the eye opener, right, I mean, and a
lot of the stuff that they believe in makes sense
in the world that we live in right now.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
But like I said, there just seems to be.

Speaker 4 (01:57:27):
Bits and maybe they got maybe they got some of
it figured out. Yeah, I mean talking about seeing that
she's she said, if you're going to read any Bible,
read the Jewish Bible. She just said that. When she
was on the show a couple of weeks ago, she said,
that's the only Bible that she ever that she has,
and the only one she ever suggests is the Jewish Bible.

(01:57:50):
She doesn't suggest that you read any other version of it. Interesting. Yeah,
so does that play into something? Does she know something?
I mean, and that just popped into my head. You
know that she had said that at the time. Why
are we talking about a Jewish Bible? But now digging

(01:58:11):
a little bit deeper and what you just talked about, Well,
now does it make sense? I mean, should I get
a copy and read the Jewish Bible and see what
the differences are?

Speaker 3 (01:58:22):
Be interesting?

Speaker 4 (01:58:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:58:23):
And I fully and volunteer you to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:58:28):
I'm sure you do. Yeah, thank you my pleasure. Put
a note to self. Yeah, read, get a Jewish Bible.

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
Get a Jewish Bible. Maybe maybe uh stour has like
a gold plated one.

Speaker 4 (01:58:47):
I don't think so about I'll look.

Speaker 3 (01:58:52):
All right, Well that doesn't here for for this week show.

Speaker 4 (01:58:56):
We hope that obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:58:59):
I don't think we said anything that offended any that
would offend anybody. But again, if this is if this
is your religion, we got something wrong or you have
something that you would like to add to the conversation,
by all means, you know, if we do a second
part of it, that can obviously be a part. Any
any corrections or additions that you people want to want

(01:59:22):
to throw in, we can easily put that in there.

Speaker 4 (01:59:26):
Well here, I'll tell you what I think that this
is a great subject. I think that I think this
is eye opening. Like a lot of the stuff we
talked about today was kind of new and fresh, and
it was just a good conversation topic to just talk
about other things and blend it all together. But you
know how we like to do roundtable shows m hm. Like,

(01:59:46):
I think this would be a great concept to get
somebody from the Muslim faith, somebody from you know, Voodoo,
somebody from Roman Catholic, you know, different background and just
put the concept out there in a in a positive fashion.
No you know, screaming and you know, nothing negative about

(02:00:09):
somebody else's beliefs is going to be allowed. But but
I think that that would be a great That would
be a great roundtable because boy, you talk about a
conversation that will make you sit and pause, and that
that that's going to be one of them. You know,
somebody's going to say something that's going to make you
stop and go huh. I hadn't thought of that before,

(02:00:34):
and that was the goal ever since the first show
we ever did. It's the first thing I ever said.
If I can make somebody pause for five take five
minutes out of their day to do more research on
something that we talked about on the show, then that's
a win.

Speaker 3 (02:00:51):
We'll get to work on it. Yeah, that doesn't go
this week.

Speaker 4 (02:00:56):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (02:00:56):
We'll be back next week with another brand new episode,
so stay tuned for that. Until then, stay healthy, stay safe.
We want to see you back here.

Speaker 4 (02:01:05):
Everyone.

Speaker 3 (02:01:06):
Have a great rest of your weekend.

Speaker 4 (02:01:10):
Later m
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