April 26, 2023 • 35 mins
He was a professional wrestler, a preacher and a nighttime real-life superhero: Rev. Chris Whaley joins Chris Cordani in the Outhouse Lounge In the ring, Whaley was known as "The Masked Saint," also the title of his book and a movie based on his story -- trained by The Undertaker -- before receiving the calling to become a gentleman minister. The crime in his church's town was pretty high and the good reverend felt he needed to do something about it, so he became something of a Holy Avenger, a Modern-Day Paladin, to clean up the streets in the manner needed.
Chris tells his story during our conversation, which would be the focus of his book, The Masked Saint, and the movie of the same name. We also talk a bit about wrestling, super heroes, defending others and the making of the movie.
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Chris tells his story during our conversation, which would be the focus of his book, The Masked Saint, and the movie of the same name. We also talk a bit about wrestling, super heroes, defending others and the making of the movie.
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Welcome to the Outhouse Lounge. Thisis where we relax and talk about this
thing, dumb whatever you wrote.It's not often that I get to have
a real life superhero on this program, and I have one now. Not
only that he's a minister and aformer professional wrestler. That seems to put
everything together, don't we know whyhe was a superhero. And the guy
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even hands to mask his identity.So that's going to be a lot of
fun. This is why I invitedthe man on. By the way,
there's not only a book about hisexploits us this one, the Masked Saint.
There is a movie and we're goingto talk about that with the real
mask Saint himself. Doctor Chris Whaley, Welcome to the Outhouse Lounge, doctor,
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doctor or something like that. Right, you can call me anything you
all, but thank you so muchfor having me, Chris. Quite a
treat and honor man. Thank youwell, thank you. I can call
you a ray or J or rayJ, but you doesn't have to call
me Johnson. It's when I hadthe chance to get a real, as
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I said, a real superhero witha very cool name, by the way,
the mass Saint. I had toshow this book one more time.
It's just it's the cover is awesome. I like the outfit, and it
just throws a lot of things together. But you kind of like, it's
almost like everything you've done throughout yourlife and in your career led to becoming
a real life superhero. So we'regoing to talk about all of that.
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I want to go all the waywhen you were in school, did you
keep in mind, this is beforeyou wanted to become a professional wrestler.
But was there anything when you werea youngster or any influence when you were
a youngster to want to become aprofessional wrestler and be possibly later join the
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ministry. Well, yeah, andI was a kid. I was bullied
a lot, mainly because I wasa sickly kid. I was just in
and out of the hospital constantly.In the fourth grade, I had polio
virlancephalitis. I was in the hospitalfor three months and had to learn how
to walk all over again. Andso I got walked all over by the
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bullies. And so as a youngkid, you know, I dreamed of
being able to not only protect myself, but to protect others so that they
wouldn't have to go through that stuff. That I went through, So yeah,
I had that on my mind.The ministry part came much later,
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but the vigilante part of wanting todo something that came very early in my
life. Polio. You had polio? How did you overcome that? You
know? It was an amazing thing, you know, because I had that
was when they had the polio shotsthat all the kids would take. I
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don't know if they take them todayor not, but I think that,
yeah, I think they take somethingorally now. But in those days,
you got a shot and I tookit, and obviously it didn't work on
me, and lo and behold,one day at school, I was just
really feeling pretty bad and actually kindof crashed in the school. They took
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me to the emergency room and Iended up in the hospital and of course
was diagnosed with polio and viral andsupplis at the same time. And my
legs actually turned inward, so Ihad to learn how to walk all over
again, and it was really itwas really a miraculous story. But I
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had an awesome doctor who was ableto help me, and a matter of
fact, he was a guy thatencouraged me to never give up and to
go to the gym to work out, and I owe him a lot from
my childhood because he obviously helped meand saved me. Apparently the workhouse kind
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of went a little far as youwere big enough to become a professional wrestler.
I loved it, you know,I loved going to the gym.
I loved working out. Once theyfound out, you know why my immune
system wasn't working, and you know, I got on those medications and then
suddenly, boom, you know,my body started changing, and I mean
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I couldn't wait to go to thegym. I loved it. I loved
every minute. I still enjoy goingto the gym. So it was it
was a great experience, and itwas awesome seeing you body change, you
know, and you've been like alittle wimp for so long and then boom,
all of a sudden things, Jane, did you drink a lot of
milk? I'm curious about that becauseI remember those commercials. There were the
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commercials from the eighties. I thinkit was were the kids being bullied and
the kids says, you know what, do what you want to do,
but I'm drinking milk. That meansin about four years, I'm gonna be
much bigger than you. And thenhe grows up to this huge jakenekhoking man.
Because I drink the milk, I'mgonna come pound your head in.
I'm paraphrasing obviously, but the kidwill as of walking away because he's afraid,
like twenty years from now, theguys and the kids gonna come back
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and beat him down. So youknow, I still I still do not
like milk. I was remember thePopeye the sailor, right right? I
remember that what he spinach? Spinachman, That's what I ate because I
saw a Popeye and I wanted tobe uh. I wanted to have those
arms like Popeye did. So Ihad a lot of spiniach. I still
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need a lot of spinach me too. When I was younger, I ate
a lot of spinach too, andI kept looking at my arms to see
if to see if there was likea gonna be some kind of picture like
an anchor or some tank it wouldappear there. But it never happened.
Maybe I just wasn't eating the rightbrand. It didn't work. You've got
bigger and you obviously were good enoughto become a professional wrestler through for your
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teams in your early younger years,right, What made you though? What
inspired you to become a wrestler orwant to do something like that, because
it does take acting shops too.You know, when I was in the
hospital, you get your days andyour nights mixed up, and a lot
of times I was late at night, I was wide awake, and you
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turned the TV on, and Iguarantee you, just about every night you
could find professional wrestling on TV.When I was a little kid, and
so I just became enamored with professionalplaying as a little boy, and if
I could get my dad to takeme to a live event, that was
like a home run. And soI just I just I loved professional wrestling
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and I watched it from the timeI was a kid until I was like
twenty four years old. My wifeand I had graduated from college and we
came back to my hometown and mywife was a high school math teacher and
she's great papers. One day andI'm looking at the Tampa Tribune and it
said in big bowl of letters wantedprofessional wrestlers. Man, I just jumped
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up out of my seat. Iwalked over to where my wife was and
showed her the ad, and shewas grading papers, and she just kind
of rolled her eyes and went backto grading papers. But man, I
packed a bag and I drove overto Tampa and I walked in and there
was one of the baddest of thebad whenever I was a kid, the
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Great Malenko. And I just sawa list on the internet the other day
of the list of wrestlers that theMasks, I mean, that the Great
Malenko trained, and it was justamazing the number of wrestlers that this guy
trained, and I was one ofthem. And I feel very honored to
be a part of the Malenko alumni. But I was hooked on it from
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the moment that I walked in thedoor, and I just loved everything about
it. He trained for six months. I finally got into the ring and
the very first guy, Russell,was the grappler, and broke my nose
in that match, and it's gotto hurt. Yeah, just still.
You know, I couldn't get enoughout. I couldn't wait for the next
match. Yeah, I understand hebecame your trainer. Like you said,
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what inspired the outfit? Here sayagain, what inspired the cool outfit?
Though? What inspired me to thecool the cool outfit that we see here.
Oh oh, oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, my Mike.
You're attire if you will, it'squite okay. Well, actually, when
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I first got into rustling, Iwas rustling under my own name, and
I would choose a fictitious name sometimeswhenever I would get in the ring.
But I got called to a church. I was a youth minister and a
church and my wife was pregnant withour first child, and they they weren't
so crazy about the wrestling part,and they only paid me like twelve thousand
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dollars a year, and my wifecould not teach, and in those days,
they didn't pay the teacher. SoI was watching wrestling on Saturday,
and one of my buddies was workingwith a mask. And then the light
bulb went on and I said,that's what I could do. I could
I could get a different gimmick andthe church would never know. And so
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you know, I got the whitemask and the white trunks and the white
tights and the white boots, andI started wrestling as the Saint. And
so I'm wrestling at night, andnobody in the church was wiser to it.
So that was the best of bothworlds. To see if God wanted
them to know. He would havetold them, and it would have been
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some kind of will your mask wouldhave fallen off. I think he wanted
you to wrestle. Yeah, yeah, what's wrong with that? If you're
going to be a minister, he'sgonna want you to be set up at
least a little. But you canbe comfortable doing so, right right,
Yeah, And of course the laterevents and we'll find that out. And
as we talk about the mass scenea little bit more again, I'm going
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to hold that book up the messSaint. We're going to find a little
bit more about why and the wholekind of intersection between you being a professional
wrestler and a minister as we moveforward, because, as I said,
we mentioned at the beginning, youbecame a real life superhero. I thought
it'd be interesting though, being aminister preaching the gospel on a Sunday and
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the later on the weak body slammingsomebody to oblivion. It's kind of an
interesting combone, now, isn't it. You know, somebody asked me about
being a professional wrestling minister, andI said that the wrestling actually helped me
in the ministry because it gave mea lot of confidence because, believe it
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or not, in the ministry,you always have people that try to intimidate
you. They try to intimidate youwith discermons you preach. Are you saying
they're bully There are bully ministers outthere, There are people there are people
are actually out doing that sort ofthing. Now they're bullys inside the church.
Oh oh yeah, all right,I got your try to bully the
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pastor you know, we pay yoursalary, you know, that kind of
thing. So they think they can, you know, intimidate you and bully
you to get you to do whatthey want you to do. If they
only knew, yeah, did thatafter they were confronted with it. So
that's right. They're probably afraid afterafter well, they're probably afraid you're gonna
take a chair. And then likebecause one there was one of those breaking
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church tricks on them or something likethat, that'll be fun. I thought
it. I thought it prepared me. You know, it gave me a
gave me a great confidence. Um, you know, I wasn't afraid of
any of them, you know,because I just knew that what I was
doing was the right thing, andso uh, I didn't I didn't care
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what they thought I did it.I'm here with the real a masked scene.
Here's a cover. Here's a betterlook at the cover of his book.
I know I held it up foryou for a little while ago,
but if you're listening to us,check it out. I'll have a link
to it. I'll have a linkto doctor Whale's website. But if you're
watching us on YouTube or wherever elseyou get your video podcasts, you see
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them. See it there. Ilike it. That's a little more refined
costume. But we'll get into thatat a different time. Where did this
kind of where are these worlds collide? Though? I'm sure you hit it
from the church for long enough,and I suppose that somebody might have found
found out along the line, ormaybe there was some way you kind of
had to make some appointments or turnit around. How did the two worlds
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collide? Where did that kind ofhappen in your personal life? More than
anything else. Well, when Ibecame a pastor, and it all started
with a young mom. She wouldbring her kids to church, and then
she was always the last one thatcame into the church, and she was
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the first one to leave. Andone Sunday she came in and she had
sunglasses on it, which was alittle unusual. And then on this particular
day, she was not the firstone to go out, because I always
went to the front of the churchand shook hands with people when they were
leaving. But on this particular day, she was the last person to leave.
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And when she came up to me, she took my hand with both
of hers, and she had herhead down and you could see tears coming
down her eyes, and I justreached over and lifted the sunglasses up,
and she had two black eyes.And it just infuriated me. I mean,
I have been married. I've beenmarried to my wife for forty eight
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years. I met her when Iwas sixteen years old. She's the mother
of my children. And you know, we're not perfect. We've obviously had
our difficulties over those times. Butyou've never hit her. And I just
think any man that hits a womanis just a dirt bag. And it
infuriated me, And so this iswhere it all started with. When I
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saw it, my blood just boiledand I told her, I said,
you know, well, I said, did your husband do this? And
she said yeah, And I said, well, I'm gonna go visit him,
and she was like, oh no, please, don't, he'll hurt
you, and I lad, youknow, I'm yeah, I don't think
she knew who you were. So, you know, I met this guy,
and you know, I just wantedto see a matter of fact,
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I shall see how good you areagainst somebody who can fight back. And
it was a great encounter because inthe ministry you really don't have an opportunity
to get rid of your stress.But on this particular day, I got
to get rid of a lot ofstress and it felt so awesome. And
you know, I just kind ofdanced with him in a parking lot for
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a while and it was just anawesome experience. And that was the beginning
of the Mass Saint, you know, because after that, I just had
incident after incident after incident after incidentwhere I am handling things more as a
pro wrestler than as a pastor.And so that that's how it all got
started. You became sort of aChristian vigilante, if you will. Yeah,
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yep, I was. I wasthe equalizer before Denzel and Queen Latifah.
There was another equalizer before that.There was that TV show with the
Equalis and my grandma used to watchit all the time. I think she
thought he was kind of hot,so she liked that and crazy like a
fox. Well, yeah, I'mdating myself here. But the fact is,
you know, I mean the kids. I'm sure the kids watch something
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a little more different like I'm surethe kids watch shows like Mannix nowadays.
But that's that's a different story.Yeah, I know they don't. Man,
I tell you, you know,the cartoons today shuck. I just
can't watch them. And my grandkidswere at my house on Saturday and we
had meat. I said, Iwant to show you what real cartoons look
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like. And I flipped it overto me TV. And you know,
you got the Bugs, Bondary Bugs, the real Stuffy and uh, all
those Tom and Jerry, all thosegreat cartoons. You know, So they
were kind of dumbfounder they've never seenthose, you know. I guess.
I guess they're not allowed to.It's the motherload of good cartoons and if
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if it's slightly offensive or very offensive, then it's pretty good. Kids kids
love the look. We were okaywatching those who were kids. What what's
wrong with the kids today watching them? I guess maybe not enough people make
enough money yet though, that's myguess. I guess so I guess there.
But anyway, maybe we should weshould have to mess Saint visit some
of those TV executives. How aboutthat? Man? You know, I'm
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up for it. If you areChris, you know you get me,
you get me the address, I'mup for it. Do I get to
be your Robin? Absolutely? Man? Oh wow, all right? What
would what would my sidekick name be? If you're gonna be the mess Saints
the Apostle? Oh yeah, theMass Saint and his Apostle. There you
go, there we go. Ilike that, And yeah, come up
with that, man, that's prettycool. That's right. I think I'll
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take that. I will take thatthe mess State and the APT. I
don't need a really cool uniform Ihave. I have have a paper bag
I could put over my head,but I think that idea was taken by
the unknown comic. And if Ibut if I put a cape on with
the bag on my head, maybethat'll be perfect. You're dating yourself again
because most people don't know who theunknown comic is. Again, that's right.
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We really real comedy. That's that'sthat's lost upon But I'll get to
that. These kids out there playingwith their with their hoops and sticks and
doing things kick the can outside withoutpaying attention to what's really going on.
You know. Anyway, didn't hedate Linda Blair, the girl from the
Exorcist? I believe so, butI have to double check that. I
don't remember. I think I thinkhe date or something like that. I
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actually have a copy of his movieNight Patrol, one of the greatest movies
ever made. You had dated yourself, doctor Whale? The mess Saint is
with me right here on the outhouselounge. When did you kind of become
full time vigilante? After your afteryour wrestling career and of course the calling
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to the to the to the ministryyou put your the world's collided, you
decided that it was a good thingto protect others in that way? How
did this become sort of a Iwouldn't say full time, but a more
regular thing. Yeah. Hey,from from that moment on. That was
early early in my ministry at myfirst church. So it just it just
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didn't stop, you know. IMean it didn't happen every day, it
didn't happen every week, but youknow, when I would encounter a situation
where someone was being mistreated or leador whatever. That's whenever I you know,
I started doing that. And youknow, there's a there's a story
in the book that was really,I guess, the most humorous of all
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of them. I was actually onmy way to South Florida Fort Lauderdale to
for a conference, and my familywas already there. I had a pastor
friend and his family were going inand me and my family were going,
but I had to stay behind becauseof a funeral, and so I got
a late start. And on theturnpike they had these service plazas where you
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can go in and get food andgas and stuff like that, and so
I stopped at the service plaza andthere were three thugs that almost knocked me
over going in, which got mea little excited, but anyway, I
calmed down. And then when Igot inside, they were just being jerks,
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and you know, I'm standing inline, and then they come in
button line. I finally I hadall I could had handle, and there's
no mask on, and I justsaid, you know, why don't you
guys quit acting like jerks? Andso they surrounded me. You know,
I mean, it's around me.I had one on this side, one
on this side, and one infront of me. And it's like,
did you see that the Sherlock Holmesmovie with Downy where he kind of goes
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through in his brain what he's gonnado. Yeah? Great the scene,
great scene. Yeah, So that'sthat's really what I did. I'm thinking,
you know what I'm gonna do becausethere's no way to get out of
this, and I'm saying, okay, all right, this guy is going
to get an elbow. Uh,this guy is going to start talking at
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a much higher pitch, and thisguy is going to start walking with a
limp, and you know, youjust go through it in your mind and
then boom, you know, theyget aggressive and you start. This guy
is suddenly talking on much higher pick. This guy can't breathe through his nose
because an elbow, and this guy'sgot a a foot to the knee and
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he's walking with a limp, andyou know, before you know it,
I'm you know, I'm in handcuffsin the back because the State Highway Patrolled
they're the ones that do security forthat. And I'm thinking, oh my
god, I'm going to be onTV. My wife is not going to
believe this. The good thing is, though, you give those hooligans to
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what fourth thought they really needed that. Yeah, but you know, the
guy came in, the state troopercame in and asked me to stand,
turn around, took the cuffs offand said you're free to go. And
I was like what, and hesaid yeah, he said, the three
you know three guys are gone.He said, I would suspect, you
know, one of them might havea warrant outpouring or something. And he
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said, the manager is not pressingcharges, so you're free to go.
It's like, holy smokes, youknow, even even when I do something
stupid, you know, it's amazingGod kind of looked out for me and
I didn't get get put in jailfor that. Well that'll show those Rep.
Skellions to try that again on somebody, right, Yeah, and then
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next time they might wind up inthe Big House or something like that,
or anybody or somebody else might givethem the what for or the old one
too, you know. But anyway, having said that, I do have
the real Mass Saint, a trueChristian vigilante here with me, a superhero,
real superhero. I do have totell you though, as your psychic
the apostle. I have one inherentsuperpower that I can step on a line
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in any place, no matter howlong it is and how fast it's going.
And once I'm on it, I'mI render it to a dead stop.
It'll just stop no matter what happens, no matter how fast the line's
going. My presence on that willstop that line. That's amazing. Anybody
body else know about this. Imean, anybody who's been in a store
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line or a bus line with meknows all about it. And they don't
want me, neither of them.That's that's my problem. Now I have
to hide my identity too. Thefact is, though, if you ever
want to chase some of these uh, these hooligans, these uh, these
these whipper snappers who are running aroundtrying to trying to, you know,
beat down people, they they'll tryto get away in a bus and stand
in a line. When the busstarts moving, I could stand on it,
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and by the time you get readyand the line will stop, they'll
never be able to get off itbecause the line stopped. They think it's
gonna go again. They don't wantto lose their place, And you could
just sneak just take them down whilethey're in that line. They can't even
move into the bus. That's brilliant, brilliant stuff. Yeah, the takedowns
are easy. It just the hardparts getting up. So your story was
made into a movie. Yeah,let's talk about the movie. Yeah,
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yeah, the book came out.When the book came out, I started
getting offers from well, I youremember the the very first three teenage Mutant
Ninja Turtle movies. No, Ido not. I never really got into
the turtles. I know they werenamed after artists and that's a cool thing.
And I'm a pizza guy like rats, and I actually, wait a
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minute, I do know one thing. One of my favorite actors was in
one of them. I don't knowif he's one or most of the movies,
but his name was I Like Friends, Watchau. I think he's a
great actor. I believe he wasin one or at least some of the
movies. Well, they were allblockbusters. They were all blockbusters. And
the guy who was the executive producerwas in Orlando, and so he called
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me in and actually kept me onthe hook for about a year because he
was very interested making the mass seniorto a movie. And then all of
a sudden, he said, no, I'm through. But during that year
I also met a lot of otherpeople in the movie business. And then
I had this producer from Canada thatflew down to Orlando and met me at
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Disney World, and I met withhim, and ultimately he's the guy that
he well. It went back andforth over a period of time. A
matter of fact, I got reallyfrustrated. And one morning, I'm on
my way to the gym and myphone rang and I answered it and it
was him and he said, hasanybody done anything with your book yet?
And I just you know, he'snot looking at me. So I rolled
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my eyes and I said, no, they haven't. And he said,
okay, I'll get back to you. And I said, okay, right
bye. You know, I waslike, good night. I'm sick of
it. I'm almost ready to putthe book up on the shelf, you
know. And then two weeks later, I'm going to the gym again,
and this guy calls me. Hesaid, are you sitting down? I
said, a matter of fact,I am. I'm driving. He said
you might want to pull over,and I pulled over and he said,
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we're gonna make your book and doa movie and I was I was totally
blown away. And I mean,it's got some great people in it.
It's got rowdy roddy Piper, wrestlingof a great wrestler, ruddy ruddy paper.
I want to point to something out. I know you want to get
to this. I want to askthis question, so I'm gonna ask it
anyway. Diane Carroll played Miss Edna, right, and she was very inspirational
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to you, right. But yeah, Diane Carroll, you know, she
was seventy nine when this movie wasmade. I think she passed away a
couple of years ago. She wasseventy nine, and she would just drop
dead gorgeous, I mean, sopretty. And she was one of the
sweetest ladies. I mean, youknow, I'd cheer her on the set
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and she'd give me a hug,and she was just an awesome, awesome
lady. I mean, this ladywas nominated for an Academy Award, you
know, and here she is playingthe miss Edna in my book, and
it was just it was overwhelming.But she was just just a sweet,
sweet, sweet lady. And Iwas very very very very overwhelmed to have
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that time with her. It wasit must have been you. Usually when
you think about somebody playing you ina movie you're you, You kind of
hope it's somebody pretty cool and somebodywas was was once. Some more words,
it has to be an honor forthe family of Zeda to, uh
to see Diane Carroll play her.That's yeah cool, that's very that's very
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cool. Yeah, yeah, shewas. She was great. You know,
the only problem with the movie isthe movie brought her up to real
time. Uh, but she's frommy childhood, you know. Um,
every every chapter of my book,just about every chapter has a lesson that
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I learned from her whenever I wasgrowing up, and so I you know,
I'm very saddened that they didn't doit to you know, the way
it happened in real life. Butanyway, she did a she did a
super job for the way they changedthe script and made her real time in
my life and stood it from mychildhood. That's obviously when they make a
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movie, they're going to obviously changesome things. But it was kind of
cool, like having a beast onyour life. What were some of the
things you really liked about the movie? I know, you got to be
in it, which is pretty cooltoo. Yeah, I had. I
had my one line at the youwere in it. You were in it?
Yeah, but it was it wasjust you know, I had never
ever been on the set of amovie and so I was blown away.
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I had no idea that they takeone scene and do that scene like three
different times. I mean, theywork a half a day just on one
scene. It was just amazing.I'd never seen that. Um, it
was my first time in Canada,and it was it was but cold.
I mean, man, it wasso cold in Canada. So some of
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the things from the book they changedthat things that happened outside, they brought
it inside and just did it froma different angle because it was just so
cold and Canada at that time.But you know, you get to you
get to meet some awesome, awesomepeople. I had actually wrestled Rowdy Roddy
Piper, I wrestling in like twentyfive years before this, hadn't seen him
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all that time, and then allof a sudden, I'm spending a month
with Roddy Piper, which was veryvery cool. Not only would he remember
you, did he remember you?Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Not only was he a great wrestler, he was a great actor. I
mean, he was just super.Whatever he did, he did a good
job of it. So it wasgreat spending time with him, getting to
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meet you know, all the allof these people. The guy that plays
the Reaper, James Preston Rogers Man, that guy has been in so many
different movies. He even moved fromCanada to la He lives in La now
and he's just been in everything.The lady that plays my wife, she's
been in so much. A matterof fact, the last thing she was
in was the Reacher series. Youknow, I don't know if you've seen
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that on I've seen that. Yeah. You also had a professional hockey player
in there, Scott Nichol in themovie. Yeah. But chances are,
obviously you're gonna have a hockey playerin some kind of movie shot in Katas
So that's that's just going to happen. Yeah, he played Tim McDonald.
I don't even I didn't even knowhe was a hockey player. Yeah,
I believe. I believe he playedfor the Predators among some other teams.
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Oh wow, you find out thesethings. The little girl that plays our
daughter, man, she had justknocked it out of the park. Uh.
She was in a movie with Robertde Niro. She was in a
movie with Martin lound Landown Christopher Plumber. Uh, she's just really hit home
runs every time she's she's been onfilm, and all those people have done
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well, all of them, andit's amazing. Did you see I want
to say, Hey, they werein my movie. Man, that's that
was pretty cool. Yeah. Withme of course, as doctor Chris Willy,
do you still don the old suitand go out doing some vigilante stuff?
Nowadays? You know, those thosedays are you know, a few
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and far between, mainly because nowI'm sixty eight years old. However,
I did get back in the ringlast year at the age of sixty eight.
On November the seventeenth, I gotback into the ring. But you
know, I just I just don't. I don't. It's a lot different
today because today you probably get shot. You know. In my day,
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you know, they didn't, theydidn't carry good well, there were a
few things with guns. But youknow today, if you did some of
the things that I did back then, today I would probably get shot.
So but when I see somebody beingmistreated, I don't care about those things.
I just do it. You know. In my last church, I
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walked outside one day and somebody droppedthe F bomb out in a parking lot.
They'll get your attention, you know, if you're a pastor. And
I looked across the parking lot andhere's this guy slapping it. I didn't
know it at that time, hispregnant girlfriend, and so I, you
know, I raised my voice andsaid something to him, and then he
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shot some expletives back at me,and I just started towards him. I
dropped my glasses, I took mytie off, and took my coat off,
and I'm walking towards him, andit happened, I mean, in
the church parking lot without a mask. He got aggressive towards me, and
I ended up a body slamming himon the concrete and putting my knee in
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his neck and telling him to getup. And never ever do that to
that young lady, you know.So you still have an answer that every
now and then, but nothing likeit whenever I was younger. Nothing this
conversation proves the clear lesson, orat least will teach the clear lesson that
you shouldn't be screaming at or hittinganybody anywhere, especially in the church parking
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lot, because you never know ifa minister or priest can put the SmackDown
on you. Yeah, yeah,well I don't. I don't know of
any other ministers that have been professionalwrestlers. I know some of those wrestlers
are now, you know, speakingand doing ministry, but they weren't ministers
when they were in wrestling. SoI think I'll have that. My last
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shagging partner was a dentist. Thoughit wouldn't be doctor Tim Whatley. Would
it be Willie and Whatley? Askthe guy from Steinfeld. That's that's his
motto was. I knocked he's outat night and I put them back into
the daytime. Well that's convenient.There we go. You can knock the
soul out of somebody and save itthe next day too, So it's a
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good team. There you go.Man, all right, well on you.
On the next episode of The MessSaint and the Apostle, we're gonna
try to uh, we're gonna infiltratea drug cartel and stuff like that.
There we go, let's do it. Thank you very much, doctor Chris
Willie once again, the book andthe movie The Messed Saint. Very cool,
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cool uniform too. Again, HeyChristian, it's a Uh, if
they order a book off my websiteU and they mentioned the Outhouse Lounge,
I will throw in an eight byten autograph picture to them. That'll be
terrific because I really thank you photographingthe book that I have, which is
really awesome as well. I reallyenjoy it. And the website once again
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is website www. The mash dotm A. S k Eed shint dot
com, the mass shank dot com, the masked st dot com easy to
find. Mentioned the Outhouse Lounge,you'll get that eight by ten. That's
pretty cool. And thank you verymuch for being with us. Doctor Chris
Willie, Reverend Chris Willie, professionalwrestler Chris Whaley, and superhero Chris Whaley.
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Thank you man. It is anawesome privilege to be on your show
and I wish you nothing but thebest. And I know that you're gonna
knock it out of the park withthe Outhouse Lounge. I hope we can
do that. And I want tothank all of you who are listening and
or watching today. Thank you forbeing part of us. If you're watching,
please subscribe to us on YouTube orwherever you get a video. And
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if you're listening, please subscribe toour show wherever you're getting that podcast.
Thank you very much for being withus, and thank you for joining us
in the outhouse. Lad
Welcome to the Outhouse Lounge. Thisis where we relax and talk about this
thing, dumb whatever you wrote.It's not often that I get to have
a real life superhero on this program, and I have one now. Not
only that he's a minister and aformer professional wrestler. That seems to put
everything together, don't we know whyhe was a superhero. And the guy
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even hands to mask his identity.So that's going to be a lot of
fun. This is why I invitedthe man on. By the way,
there's not only a book about hisexploits us this one, the Masked Saint.
There is a movie and we're goingto talk about that with the real
mask Saint himself. Doctor Chris Whaley, Welcome to the Outhouse Lounge, doctor,
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doctor or something like that. Right, you can call me anything you
all, but thank you so muchfor having me, Chris. Quite a
treat and honor man. Thank youwell, thank you. I can call
you a ray or J or rayJ, but you doesn't have to call
me Johnson. It's when I hadthe chance to get a real, as
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I said, a real superhero witha very cool name, by the way,
the mass Saint. I had toshow this book one more time.
It's just it's the cover is awesome. I like the outfit, and it
just throws a lot of things together. But you kind of like, it's
almost like everything you've done throughout yourlife and in your career led to becoming
a real life superhero. So we'regoing to talk about all of that.
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I want to go all the waywhen you were in school, did you
keep in mind, this is beforeyou wanted to become a professional wrestler.
But was there anything when you werea youngster or any influence when you were
a youngster to want to become aprofessional wrestler and be possibly later join the
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ministry. Well, yeah, andI was a kid. I was bullied
a lot, mainly because I wasa sickly kid. I was just in
and out of the hospital constantly.In the fourth grade, I had polio
virlancephalitis. I was in the hospitalfor three months and had to learn how
to walk all over again. Andso I got walked all over by the
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bullies. And so as a youngkid, you know, I dreamed of
being able to not only protect myself, but to protect others so that they
wouldn't have to go through that stuff. That I went through, So yeah,
I had that on my mind.The ministry part came much later,
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but the vigilante part of wanting todo something that came very early in my
life. Polio. You had polio? How did you overcome that? You
know? It was an amazing thing, you know, because I had that
was when they had the polio shotsthat all the kids would take. I
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don't know if they take them todayor not, but I think that,
yeah, I think they take somethingorally now. But in those days,
you got a shot and I tookit, and obviously it didn't work on
me, and lo and behold,one day at school, I was just
really feeling pretty bad and actually kindof crashed in the school. They took
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me to the emergency room and Iended up in the hospital and of course
was diagnosed with polio and viral andsupplis at the same time. And my
legs actually turned inward, so Ihad to learn how to walk all over
again, and it was really itwas really a miraculous story. But I
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had an awesome doctor who was ableto help me, and a matter of
fact, he was a guy thatencouraged me to never give up and to
go to the gym to work out, and I owe him a lot from
my childhood because he obviously helped meand saved me. Apparently the workhouse kind
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of went a little far as youwere big enough to become a professional wrestler.
I loved it, you know,I loved going to the gym.
I loved working out. Once theyfound out, you know why my immune
system wasn't working, and you know, I got on those medications and then
suddenly, boom, you know,my body started changing, and I mean
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I couldn't wait to go to thegym. I loved it. I loved
every minute. I still enjoy goingto the gym. So it was it
was a great experience, and itwas awesome seeing you body change, you
know, and you've been like alittle wimp for so long and then boom,
all of a sudden things, Jane, did you drink a lot of
milk? I'm curious about that becauseI remember those commercials. There were the
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commercials from the eighties. I thinkit was were the kids being bullied and
the kids says, you know what, do what you want to do,
but I'm drinking milk. That meansin about four years, I'm gonna be
much bigger than you. And thenhe grows up to this huge jakenekhoking man.
Because I drink the milk, I'mgonna come pound your head in.
I'm paraphrasing obviously, but the kidwill as of walking away because he's afraid,
like twenty years from now, theguys and the kids gonna come back
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and beat him down. So youknow, I still I still do not
like milk. I was remember thePopeye the sailor, right right? I
remember that what he spinach? Spinachman, That's what I ate because I
saw a Popeye and I wanted tobe uh. I wanted to have those
arms like Popeye did. So Ihad a lot of spiniach. I still
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need a lot of spinach me too. When I was younger, I ate
a lot of spinach too, andI kept looking at my arms to see
if to see if there was likea gonna be some kind of picture like
an anchor or some tank it wouldappear there. But it never happened.
Maybe I just wasn't eating the rightbrand. It didn't work. You've got
bigger and you obviously were good enoughto become a professional wrestler through for your
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teams in your early younger years,right, What made you though? What
inspired you to become a wrestler orwant to do something like that, because
it does take acting shops too.You know, when I was in the
hospital, you get your days andyour nights mixed up, and a lot
of times I was late at night, I was wide awake, and you
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turned the TV on, and Iguarantee you, just about every night you
could find professional wrestling on TV.When I was a little kid, and
so I just became enamored with professionalplaying as a little boy, and if
I could get my dad to takeme to a live event, that was
like a home run. And soI just I just I loved professional wrestling
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and I watched it from the timeI was a kid until I was like
twenty four years old. My wifeand I had graduated from college and we
came back to my hometown and mywife was a high school math teacher and
she's great papers. One day andI'm looking at the Tampa Tribune and it
said in big bowl of letters wantedprofessional wrestlers. Man, I just jumped
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up out of my seat. Iwalked over to where my wife was and
showed her the ad, and shewas grading papers, and she just kind
of rolled her eyes and went backto grading papers. But man, I
packed a bag and I drove overto Tampa and I walked in and there
was one of the baddest of thebad whenever I was a kid, the
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Great Malenko. And I just sawa list on the internet the other day
of the list of wrestlers that theMasks, I mean, that the Great
Malenko trained, and it was justamazing the number of wrestlers that this guy
trained, and I was one ofthem. And I feel very honored to
be a part of the Malenko alumni. But I was hooked on it from
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the moment that I walked in thedoor, and I just loved everything about
it. He trained for six months. I finally got into the ring and
the very first guy, Russell,was the grappler, and broke my nose
in that match, and it's gotto hurt. Yeah, just still.
You know, I couldn't get enoughout. I couldn't wait for the next
match. Yeah, I understand hebecame your trainer. Like you said,
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what inspired the outfit? Here sayagain, what inspired the cool outfit?
Though? What inspired me to thecool the cool outfit that we see here.
Oh oh, oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, my Mike.
You're attire if you will, it'squite okay. Well, actually, when
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I first got into rustling, Iwas rustling under my own name, and
I would choose a fictitious name sometimeswhenever I would get in the ring.
But I got called to a church. I was a youth minister and a
church and my wife was pregnant withour first child, and they they weren't
so crazy about the wrestling part,and they only paid me like twelve thousand
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dollars a year, and my wifecould not teach, and in those days,
they didn't pay the teacher. SoI was watching wrestling on Saturday,
and one of my buddies was workingwith a mask. And then the light
bulb went on and I said,that's what I could do. I could
I could get a different gimmick andthe church would never know. And so
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you know, I got the whitemask and the white trunks and the white
tights and the white boots, andI started wrestling as the Saint. And
so I'm wrestling at night, andnobody in the church was wiser to it.
So that was the best of bothworlds. To see if God wanted
them to know. He would havetold them, and it would have been
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some kind of will your mask wouldhave fallen off. I think he wanted
you to wrestle. Yeah, yeah, what's wrong with that? If you're
going to be a minister, he'sgonna want you to be set up at
least a little. But you canbe comfortable doing so, right right,
Yeah, And of course the laterevents and we'll find that out. And
as we talk about the mass scenea little bit more again, I'm going
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to hold that book up the messSaint. We're going to find a little
bit more about why and the wholekind of intersection between you being a professional
wrestler and a minister as we moveforward, because, as I said,
we mentioned at the beginning, youbecame a real life superhero. I thought
it'd be interesting though, being aminister preaching the gospel on a Sunday and
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the later on the weak body slammingsomebody to oblivion. It's kind of an
interesting combone, now, isn't it. You know, somebody asked me about
being a professional wrestling minister, andI said that the wrestling actually helped me
in the ministry because it gave mea lot of confidence because, believe it
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or not, in the ministry,you always have people that try to intimidate
you. They try to intimidate youwith discermons you preach. Are you saying
they're bully There are bully ministers outthere, There are people there are people
are actually out doing that sort ofthing. Now they're bullys inside the church.
Oh oh yeah, all right,I got your try to bully the
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pastor you know, we pay yoursalary, you know, that kind of
thing. So they think they can, you know, intimidate you and bully
you to get you to do whatthey want you to do. If they
only knew, yeah, did thatafter they were confronted with it. So
that's right. They're probably afraid afterafter well, they're probably afraid you're gonna
take a chair. And then likebecause one there was one of those breaking
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church tricks on them or something likethat, that'll be fun. I thought
it. I thought it prepared me. You know, it gave me a
gave me a great confidence. Um, you know, I wasn't afraid of
any of them, you know,because I just knew that what I was
doing was the right thing, andso uh, I didn't I didn't care
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what they thought I did it.I'm here with the real a masked scene.
Here's a cover. Here's a betterlook at the cover of his book.
I know I held it up foryou for a little while ago,
but if you're listening to us,check it out. I'll have a link
to it. I'll have a linkto doctor Whale's website. But if you're
watching us on YouTube or wherever elseyou get your video podcasts, you see
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them. See it there. Ilike it. That's a little more refined
costume. But we'll get into thatat a different time. Where did this
kind of where are these worlds collide? Though? I'm sure you hit it
from the church for long enough,and I suppose that somebody might have found
found out along the line, ormaybe there was some way you kind of
had to make some appointments or turnit around. How did the two worlds
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collide? Where did that kind ofhappen in your personal life? More than
anything else. Well, when Ibecame a pastor, and it all started
with a young mom. She wouldbring her kids to church, and then
she was always the last one thatcame into the church, and she was
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the first one to leave. Andone Sunday she came in and she had
sunglasses on it, which was alittle unusual. And then on this particular
day, she was not the firstone to go out, because I always
went to the front of the churchand shook hands with people when they were
leaving. But on this particular day, she was the last person to leave.
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And when she came up to me, she took my hand with both
of hers, and she had herhead down and you could see tears coming
down her eyes, and I justreached over and lifted the sunglasses up,
and she had two black eyes.And it just infuriated me. I mean,
I have been married. I've beenmarried to my wife for forty eight
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years. I met her when Iwas sixteen years old. She's the mother
of my children. And you know, we're not perfect. We've obviously had
our difficulties over those times. Butyou've never hit her. And I just
think any man that hits a womanis just a dirt bag. And it
infuriated me, And so this iswhere it all started with. When I
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saw it, my blood just boiledand I told her, I said,
you know, well, I said, did your husband do this? And
she said yeah, And I said, well, I'm gonna go visit him,
and she was like, oh no, please, don't, he'll hurt
you, and I lad, youknow, I'm yeah, I don't think
she knew who you were. So, you know, I met this guy,
and you know, I just wantedto see a matter of fact,
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I shall see how good you areagainst somebody who can fight back. And
it was a great encounter because inthe ministry you really don't have an opportunity
to get rid of your stress.But on this particular day, I got
to get rid of a lot ofstress and it felt so awesome. And
you know, I just kind ofdanced with him in a parking lot for
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a while and it was just anawesome experience. And that was the beginning
of the Mass Saint, you know, because after that, I just had
incident after incident after incident after incidentwhere I am handling things more as a
pro wrestler than as a pastor.And so that that's how it all got
started. You became sort of aChristian vigilante, if you will. Yeah,
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yep, I was. I wasthe equalizer before Denzel and Queen Latifah.
There was another equalizer before that.There was that TV show with the
Equalis and my grandma used to watchit all the time. I think she
thought he was kind of hot,so she liked that and crazy like a
fox. Well, yeah, I'mdating myself here. But the fact is,
you know, I mean the kids. I'm sure the kids watch something
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a little more different like I'm surethe kids watch shows like Mannix nowadays.
But that's that's a different story.Yeah, I know they don't. Man,
I tell you, you know,the cartoons today shuck. I just
can't watch them. And my grandkidswere at my house on Saturday and we
had meat. I said, Iwant to show you what real cartoons look
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like. And I flipped it overto me TV. And you know,
you got the Bugs, Bondary Bugs, the real Stuffy and uh, all
those Tom and Jerry, all thosegreat cartoons. You know, So they
were kind of dumbfounder they've never seenthose, you know. I guess.
I guess they're not allowed to.It's the motherload of good cartoons and if
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if it's slightly offensive or very offensive, then it's pretty good. Kids kids
love the look. We were okaywatching those who were kids. What what's
wrong with the kids today watching them? I guess maybe not enough people make
enough money yet though, that's myguess. I guess so I guess there.
But anyway, maybe we should weshould have to mess Saint visit some
of those TV executives. How aboutthat? Man? You know, I'm
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up for it. If you areChris, you know you get me,
you get me the address, I'mup for it. Do I get to
be your Robin? Absolutely? Man? Oh wow, all right? What
would what would my sidekick name be? If you're gonna be the mess Saints
the Apostle? Oh yeah, theMass Saint and his Apostle. There you
go, there we go. Ilike that, And yeah, come up
with that, man, that's prettycool. That's right. I think I'll
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take that. I will take thatthe mess State and the APT. I
don't need a really cool uniform Ihave. I have have a paper bag
I could put over my head,but I think that idea was taken by
the unknown comic. And if Ibut if I put a cape on with
the bag on my head, maybethat'll be perfect. You're dating yourself again
because most people don't know who theunknown comic is. Again, that's right.
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We really real comedy. That's that'sthat's lost upon But I'll get to
that. These kids out there playingwith their with their hoops and sticks and
doing things kick the can outside withoutpaying attention to what's really going on.
You know. Anyway, didn't hedate Linda Blair, the girl from the
Exorcist? I believe so, butI have to double check that. I
don't remember. I think I thinkhe date or something like that. I
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actually have a copy of his movieNight Patrol, one of the greatest movies
ever made. You had dated yourself, doctor Whale? The mess Saint is
with me right here on the outhouselounge. When did you kind of become
full time vigilante? After your afteryour wrestling career and of course the calling
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to the to the to the ministryyou put your the world's collided, you
decided that it was a good thingto protect others in that way? How
did this become sort of a Iwouldn't say full time, but a more
regular thing. Yeah. Hey,from from that moment on. That was
early early in my ministry at myfirst church. So it just it just
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didn't stop, you know. IMean it didn't happen every day, it
didn't happen every week, but youknow, when I would encounter a situation
where someone was being mistreated or leador whatever. That's whenever I you know,
I started doing that. And youknow, there's a there's a story
in the book that was really,I guess, the most humorous of all
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of them. I was actually onmy way to South Florida Fort Lauderdale to
for a conference, and my familywas already there. I had a pastor
friend and his family were going inand me and my family were going,
but I had to stay behind becauseof a funeral, and so I got
a late start. And on theturnpike they had these service plazas where you
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can go in and get food andgas and stuff like that, and so
I stopped at the service plaza andthere were three thugs that almost knocked me
over going in, which got mea little excited, but anyway, I
calmed down. And then when Igot inside, they were just being jerks,
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and you know, I'm standing inline, and then they come in
button line. I finally I hadall I could had handle, and there's
no mask on, and I justsaid, you know, why don't you
guys quit acting like jerks? Andso they surrounded me. You know,
I mean, it's around me.I had one on this side, one
on this side, and one infront of me. And it's like,
did you see that the Sherlock Holmesmovie with Downy where he kind of goes
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through in his brain what he's gonnado. Yeah? Great the scene,
great scene. Yeah, So that'sthat's really what I did. I'm thinking,
you know what I'm gonna do becausethere's no way to get out of
this, and I'm saying, okay, all right, this guy is going
to get an elbow. Uh,this guy is going to start talking at
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a much higher pitch, and thisguy is going to start walking with a
limp, and you know, youjust go through it in your mind and
then boom, you know, theyget aggressive and you start. This guy
is suddenly talking on much higher pick. This guy can't breathe through his nose
because an elbow, and this guy'sgot a a foot to the knee and
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he's walking with a limp, andyou know, before you know it,
I'm you know, I'm in handcuffsin the back because the State Highway Patrolled
they're the ones that do security forthat. And I'm thinking, oh my
god, I'm going to be onTV. My wife is not going to
believe this. The good thing is, though, you give those hooligans to
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what fourth thought they really needed that. Yeah, but you know, the
guy came in, the state troopercame in and asked me to stand,
turn around, took the cuffs offand said you're free to go. And
I was like what, and hesaid yeah, he said, the three
you know three guys are gone.He said, I would suspect, you
know, one of them might havea warrant outpouring or something. And he
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said, the manager is not pressingcharges, so you're free to go.
It's like, holy smokes, youknow, even even when I do something
stupid, you know, it's amazingGod kind of looked out for me and
I didn't get get put in jailfor that. Well that'll show those Rep.
Skellions to try that again on somebody, right, Yeah, and then
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next time they might wind up inthe Big House or something like that,
or anybody or somebody else might givethem the what for or the old one
too, you know. But anyway, having said that, I do have
the real Mass Saint, a trueChristian vigilante here with me, a superhero,
real superhero. I do have totell you though, as your psychic
the apostle. I have one inherentsuperpower that I can step on a line
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in any place, no matter howlong it is and how fast it's going.
And once I'm on it, I'mI render it to a dead stop.
It'll just stop no matter what happens, no matter how fast the line's
going. My presence on that willstop that line. That's amazing. Anybody
body else know about this. Imean, anybody who's been in a store
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line or a bus line with meknows all about it. And they don't
want me, neither of them.That's that's my problem. Now I have
to hide my identity too. Thefact is, though, if you ever
want to chase some of these uh, these hooligans, these uh, these
these whipper snappers who are running aroundtrying to trying to, you know,
beat down people, they they'll tryto get away in a bus and stand
in a line. When the busstarts moving, I could stand on it,
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and by the time you get readyand the line will stop, they'll
never be able to get off itbecause the line stopped. They think it's
gonna go again. They don't wantto lose their place, And you could
just sneak just take them down whilethey're in that line. They can't even
move into the bus. That's brilliant, brilliant stuff. Yeah, the takedowns
are easy. It just the hardparts getting up. So your story was
made into a movie. Yeah,let's talk about the movie. Yeah,
(23:49):
yeah, the book came out.When the book came out, I started
getting offers from well, I youremember the the very first three teenage Mutant
Ninja Turtle movies. No, Ido not. I never really got into
the turtles. I know they werenamed after artists and that's a cool thing.
And I'm a pizza guy like rats, and I actually, wait a
(24:11):
minute, I do know one thing. One of my favorite actors was in
one of them. I don't knowif he's one or most of the movies,
but his name was I Like Friends, Watchau. I think he's a
great actor. I believe he wasin one or at least some of the
movies. Well, they were allblockbusters. They were all blockbusters. And
the guy who was the executive producerwas in Orlando, and so he called
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me in and actually kept me onthe hook for about a year because he
was very interested making the mass seniorto a movie. And then all of
a sudden, he said, no, I'm through. But during that year
I also met a lot of otherpeople in the movie business. And then
I had this producer from Canada thatflew down to Orlando and met me at
(24:59):
Disney World, and I met withhim, and ultimately he's the guy that
he well. It went back andforth over a period of time. A
matter of fact, I got reallyfrustrated. And one morning, I'm on
my way to the gym and myphone rang and I answered it and it
was him and he said, hasanybody done anything with your book yet?
And I just you know, he'snot looking at me. So I rolled
(25:22):
my eyes and I said, no, they haven't. And he said,
okay, I'll get back to you. And I said, okay, right
bye. You know, I waslike, good night. I'm sick of
it. I'm almost ready to putthe book up on the shelf, you
know. And then two weeks later, I'm going to the gym again,
and this guy calls me. Hesaid, are you sitting down? I
said, a matter of fact,I am. I'm driving. He said
you might want to pull over,and I pulled over and he said,
(25:44):
we're gonna make your book and doa movie and I was I was totally
blown away. And I mean,it's got some great people in it.
It's got rowdy roddy Piper, wrestlingof a great wrestler, ruddy ruddy paper.
I want to point to something out. I know you want to get
to this. I want to askthis question, so I'm gonna ask it
anyway. Diane Carroll played Miss Edna, right, and she was very inspirational
(26:07):
to you, right. But yeah, Diane Carroll, you know, she
was seventy nine when this movie wasmade. I think she passed away a
couple of years ago. She wasseventy nine, and she would just drop
dead gorgeous, I mean, sopretty. And she was one of the
sweetest ladies. I mean, youknow, I'd cheer her on the set
(26:30):
and she'd give me a hug,and she was just an awesome, awesome
lady. I mean, this ladywas nominated for an Academy Award, you
know, and here she is playingthe miss Edna in my book, and
it was just it was overwhelming.But she was just just a sweet,
sweet, sweet lady. And Iwas very very very very overwhelmed to have
(26:53):
that time with her. It wasit must have been you. Usually when
you think about somebody playing you ina movie you're you, You kind of
hope it's somebody pretty cool and somebodywas was was once. Some more words,
it has to be an honor forthe family of Zeda to, uh
to see Diane Carroll play her.That's yeah cool, that's very that's very
(27:14):
cool. Yeah, yeah, shewas. She was great. You know,
the only problem with the movie isthe movie brought her up to real
time. Uh, but she's frommy childhood, you know. Um,
every every chapter of my book,just about every chapter has a lesson that
(27:37):
I learned from her whenever I wasgrowing up, and so I you know,
I'm very saddened that they didn't doit to you know, the way
it happened in real life. Butanyway, she did a she did a
super job for the way they changedthe script and made her real time in
my life and stood it from mychildhood. That's obviously when they make a
(28:02):
movie, they're going to obviously changesome things. But it was kind of
cool, like having a beast onyour life. What were some of the
things you really liked about the movie? I know, you got to be
in it, which is pretty cooltoo. Yeah, I had. I
had my one line at the youwere in it. You were in it?
Yeah, but it was it wasjust you know, I had never
ever been on the set of amovie and so I was blown away.
(28:26):
I had no idea that they takeone scene and do that scene like three
different times. I mean, theywork a half a day just on one
scene. It was just amazing.I'd never seen that. Um, it
was my first time in Canada,and it was it was but cold.
I mean, man, it wasso cold in Canada. So some of
(28:47):
the things from the book they changedthat things that happened outside, they brought
it inside and just did it froma different angle because it was just so
cold and Canada at that time.But you know, you get to you
get to meet some awesome, awesomepeople. I had actually wrestled Rowdy Roddy
Piper, I wrestling in like twentyfive years before this, hadn't seen him
(29:11):
all that time, and then allof a sudden, I'm spending a month
with Roddy Piper, which was veryvery cool. Not only would he remember
you, did he remember you?Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Not only was he a great wrestler, he was a great actor. I
mean, he was just super.Whatever he did, he did a good
job of it. So it wasgreat spending time with him, getting to
(29:32):
meet you know, all the allof these people. The guy that plays
the Reaper, James Preston Rogers Man, that guy has been in so many
different movies. He even moved fromCanada to la He lives in La now
and he's just been in everything.The lady that plays my wife, she's
been in so much. A matterof fact, the last thing she was
in was the Reacher series. Youknow, I don't know if you've seen
(29:56):
that on I've seen that. Yeah. You also had a professional hockey player
in there, Scott Nichol in themovie. Yeah. But chances are,
obviously you're gonna have a hockey playerin some kind of movie shot in Katas
So that's that's just going to happen. Yeah, he played Tim McDonald.
I don't even I didn't even knowhe was a hockey player. Yeah,
I believe. I believe he playedfor the Predators among some other teams.
(30:17):
Oh wow, you find out thesethings. The little girl that plays our
daughter, man, she had justknocked it out of the park. Uh.
She was in a movie with Robertde Niro. She was in a
movie with Martin lound Landown Christopher Plumber. Uh, she's just really hit home
runs every time she's she's been onfilm, and all those people have done
(30:37):
well, all of them, andit's amazing. Did you see I want
to say, Hey, they werein my movie. Man, that's that
was pretty cool. Yeah. Withme of course, as doctor Chris Willy,
do you still don the old suitand go out doing some vigilante stuff?
Nowadays? You know, those thosedays are you know, a few
(30:59):
and far between, mainly because nowI'm sixty eight years old. However,
I did get back in the ringlast year at the age of sixty eight.
On November the seventeenth, I gotback into the ring. But you
know, I just I just don't. I don't. It's a lot different
today because today you probably get shot. You know. In my day,
(31:19):
you know, they didn't, theydidn't carry good well, there were a
few things with guns. But youknow today, if you did some of
the things that I did back then, today I would probably get shot.
So but when I see somebody beingmistreated, I don't care about those things.
I just do it. You know. In my last church, I
(31:40):
walked outside one day and somebody droppedthe F bomb out in a parking lot.
They'll get your attention, you know, if you're a pastor. And
I looked across the parking lot andhere's this guy slapping it. I didn't
know it at that time, hispregnant girlfriend, and so I, you
know, I raised my voice andsaid something to him, and then he
(32:01):
shot some expletives back at me,and I just started towards him. I
dropped my glasses, I took mytie off, and took my coat off,
and I'm walking towards him, andit happened, I mean, in
the church parking lot without a mask. He got aggressive towards me, and
I ended up a body slamming himon the concrete and putting my knee in
(32:25):
his neck and telling him to getup. And never ever do that to
that young lady, you know.So you still have an answer that every
now and then, but nothing likeit whenever I was younger. Nothing this
conversation proves the clear lesson, orat least will teach the clear lesson that
you shouldn't be screaming at or hittinganybody anywhere, especially in the church parking
(32:49):
lot, because you never know ifa minister or priest can put the SmackDown
on you. Yeah, yeah,well I don't. I don't know of
any other ministers that have been professionalwrestlers. I know some of those wrestlers
are now, you know, speakingand doing ministry, but they weren't ministers
when they were in wrestling. SoI think I'll have that. My last
(33:13):
shagging partner was a dentist. Thoughit wouldn't be doctor Tim Whatley. Would
it be Willie and Whatley? Askthe guy from Steinfeld. That's that's his
motto was. I knocked he's outat night and I put them back into
the daytime. Well that's convenient.There we go. You can knock the
soul out of somebody and save itthe next day too, So it's a
(33:34):
good team. There you go.Man, all right, well on you.
On the next episode of The MessSaint and the Apostle, we're gonna
try to uh, we're gonna infiltratea drug cartel and stuff like that.
There we go, let's do it. Thank you very much, doctor Chris
Willie once again, the book andthe movie The Messed Saint. Very cool,
(33:57):
cool uniform too. Again, HeyChristian, it's a Uh, if
they order a book off my websiteU and they mentioned the Outhouse Lounge,
I will throw in an eight byten autograph picture to them. That'll be
terrific because I really thank you photographingthe book that I have, which is
really awesome as well. I reallyenjoy it. And the website once again
(34:21):
is website www. The mash dotm A. S k Eed shint dot
com, the mass shank dot com, the masked st dot com easy to
find. Mentioned the Outhouse Lounge,you'll get that eight by ten. That's
pretty cool. And thank you verymuch for being with us. Doctor Chris
Willie, Reverend Chris Willie, professionalwrestler Chris Whaley, and superhero Chris Whaley.
(34:46):
Thank you man. It is anawesome privilege to be on your show
and I wish you nothing but thebest. And I know that you're gonna
knock it out of the park withthe Outhouse Lounge. I hope we can
do that. And I want tothank all of you who are listening and
or watching today. Thank you forbeing part of us. If you're watching,
please subscribe to us on YouTube orwherever you get a video. And
(35:07):
if you're listening, please subscribe toour show wherever you're getting that podcast.
Thank you very much for being withus, and thank you for joining us
in the outhouse. Lad
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