UFOs and Extraterrestrials: What Are the Governments Hiding?

We kick off Season 2 of The Outhouse Lounge with the first in a series of Relaxing Roundtable Discussions: In light of the relatively recent allegations from a Pentagon whistleblower revealing a secret long-time-spanning reverse engineering program of recovered #alien vessels as well as the collection of biological material, we at the Lounge invited a panel to hash out what governments are hiding from us about aliens, whether we have been visited and whether aliens may be among us now from several angles - including national security.
Joining us on the lounge are:
LTC Tony Shaffer: Former Special Ops/Intelligence Officer; Host of The Hard Truth
Cherie Currie - Musician, The Runaways, Solo Artist, Actress, Chainsaw Artist
Jack Hues - Musician, Wang Chung, The Quintet, Solo Artist
Susan Olsen - Actress, Former Talk Radio Host, KABC (Los Angeles)
Jeremy Kennedy - Co-Hose Dancing With Ourselves Podcast
Elizabeth Breckenkamp - Actress, Co-Host, The Hard Truth #UFOs #UAPs #UFO #UAP

Thank you for joining us. What do you think? Feel free to leave a comment, ,we will be doing a Part 2 and will address some of your questions
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Episode Transcript

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Well, welcome to the Outhouse Lounge, where we relax and talk about stuff.
I'm Chris Gordan and your hosts.Many of us have wondered if there's
other life out in space. Well, you hear the laughing in the background,
So this is who's with me today. But many of us we'll talk
about that in a few moments.Many of us have wondered if there's other

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life out there in space, asif we were being visited. Why has
the government been so tight lipped aboutthe possibilities? Considering a former Pentagon official,
driven as he has publicly said,by his duty to reveal truth,
claim, the US government has beenkeeping crashed alien spaceships under wraps for decades.
This has been well long thought about, yet always denounced as a conspiracy

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theory. With me is my rathercool panel to talk about this, so
let's welcome them. I have LieutenantColonel Tony Schaeffer. He's the host of
The Hard Truth, former special Opsintelligence officer, and I really can't go
further than that, or else you'dhave to kill all of us, or
at least mam us. Is thatcorrect? I can't confirm her deny my
lethal capabilities. I have I havesome great rockers with me, Shiry Curry

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from The Runaways, her solo workand the exquisite chainsaw sculpting, Jack Hughes
of Wang Chung and the quintent andI like the Quintet, by the way,
and Susan Ultra Susan Olsen's with Usactress perhaps quite familiar with this boxy,
crowded on screen arrangement and Ultra SusanUltra Ultra Susan Olsen. This is

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what happens when I don't get mycoffee in the morning and I haven't bothered
to get it yet. And ofcourse Jeremy Kennedy, uh the uh.
He is the host or co hostof the totally read eighties podcast Dancing with
Ourselves. Jeremy, thanks for comingback on with us. Elizabeth brecken Camp
is with us as well, andshe is the co host of The Hard
Truth and Fine Voice actress. Sowe have a very diverse panel here,

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if you will. I like it. I'm a guy who supports diversity.
So let's start here. It hascome out. It has come out of
Pentagon official spilled the beans on thegovernment's keeping of crashed alien spacecraft. First,
I kind of thought this was happeningsince I heard about Area fifty one.
What say you all, Oh wetook Dave Grush? Or are you

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talking about someone else? You knowwhat? I'm just saying, what say
you all? I mean, whatdo you think? Oh on that particular
issue? Yeah, of course absolutelyabsolutely So let me a lot of our
inventions. So what the question is, is the government hiding anything from us?

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Well, of course they are.I got a jump out here in
a few minutes. But let medo what I normally do in shows like
this as an operative. I mayknow things I may not. Nobody knows.
I don't know. I don't knowwhat I don't know, just saying,
you know. So, But whatI will say is this, There's
been ample evidence to Jack's point alreadyin popular media. And this is called

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The Day After Roswell, written byColonel Philip Corso. Now this book.
I was a young operative back inDefense Intelligence when I first read this in
ninety six, nineteen ninety six.So I gave this to one of the
gray beards, one of the oldguys who was part of I suspected a
program, and I said, readthis book. Now, this book.

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The premise of this book that somethingcrashed at Roswell in nineteen forty seven,
that the pieces of technology were takenfrom Roswell to Wright Patterson Air Force Base
in Dayton, Ohio, next tomy alma mater, Rice State University in
Dayton. That's a that's interesting whereI since I went to college there and
then the other stuff went to FortBelvoir, Virginia and in Northern Virginia were

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ge Strangely enough, I was assignedthere for most of my career. Ou
there's a correlation, is not meancausation, just saying, just saying.
You know, anyway, if youbelieve the book, and the guy I
said, how accurate is this book? And he said eighty percent. So
if you take the premise of thebook that up all crashed and the technology
was dispersed, that means it's real. So to Jack's point, I think

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it's only logical that Pentagon officials arestarting to come out now. So and
I highly recommend the book. Itwas interesting back in two thousand, I
think it was. I actually wentto Rosewell, who Yeah, I was
on tour and it was like alittle sort of detour that we took to
go to Roswell and we spent thenight in this kind of trailer park,

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two of us. And the followingday they have a UFO museum there and
there was a guy, well,the guy who founded the museum was captain.
Was he a Captain? Walter Houseanyway, said he was the guy
who was the press officer at theRoswell Army Airfield when crash sort of supposedly
happened. And it was just interestingto talk to him, you know,

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because obviously I sort of shook hishand and was slightly star struck and just
said, you know, so,so what did happen on that day?
And all he could say to mewas, you know, I had I
was called into the office of theguy who was in charge of the airfield
and he said to me, Iwant you to put out on the wire,
which is what they had for communicatingthose days, that we've retrieved a

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crashed flying disc and that needs tobe the sort of headline, you know,
And so that's what he did,and he said that there was a
lot of activity, and then aftera couple of hours another guy came into
the room and said, you needto retract that and say that it was
a weather bloom. And he said, they set up the whole photo thing
with the foil weather bloom and I'veseen that picture. Yeah, yeah,

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it's a picture, and it's thefamous story. Of course, everybody's heard
this stuff a billion times, Isuppose, but it was interesting to hear
it from the horse's mouth, ifthat's the right phrase, you know.
And the sincerity of this guy,you know, he wasn't saying that he
saw or anything, but he wasjust told exactly what happened to him on
the day, and it was apast experience. Well, it's almost like

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what was it attack of la Iswhat do we call that? The one
with that big ship, that airshipthat was over the beach in Los Angeles
and we had all of our militaryfiring on it and there's photos of it,
and yeah, yeah, And becauseI actually shot a movie over at
Wonderland, they were shooting from Wonderland, Susan, you know, the old

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base, that hidden base in Wonderlandup in the Santa Monica Mountains. And
here how they did I think theytried to say that was a weather balloon
too, even though it continued tostay there for what was it, forty
five minutes? As we had everykind of military missile shot at it and
it just stayed there. I think, Well one was that was that in

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the forties, right at right atthe harbor, the Battle of la Yeah,
they were shooting at yeah, that'sright. That's right. And when
you have people shooting at something,it's pretty hard to deny it exactly.
But they did. So the questionis, here's a question. Though we're
just a bunch of dummies, yousee, that's some bunch of dummies.

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I do want to ask this question. For years upon years we've been talking
about the idea that this is aconspiracy theory that aliens have never come in
certain areas, So why why wouldthey be? Why why isn't anybody else
seeing them? Or why why aren'tthere more reports? And why aren't prominent
people seeing them? Now? Overthe last many years, we have seen

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presidents come out and say hey,I've seen something. A Carter Reagan,
They've done that. We have wehave congress members, and of course some
people who are a little more prominent, they've come out. Now we also
have we also have a registry onthe Internet where people, thanks to the
government, where people can report UFOsettings. It seems to be a big

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thing So why now they could havedone this years upon years ago. Why
now is this the shiny keys orsomething for something else that's going on.
What are your thoughts? Well,right now they're destroying the country, so
maybe they get us to be afraidof something that's in out of space.
We won't pay attention to the governmentthat's destroying us. Yeah. Well,

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I will say that we were justtalking earlier before we went on air that
it was about Philip Schneider who wasbasically severely injured by a gray when he
was digging the Dulce base, andhe claimed that in twenty twenty nine was

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when we were going to be invaded. And I'm thinking, well, they've
got to start getting us a littlemore used to the fact that there's aliens
because, Uh, I think he'sright. I mean, Philip Schneider Rest
God rest his soul. Uh youknow, I mean he he knows firsthand.
I felt he knew. And anybodythat doesn't know about phil Schneider look

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him up. There are some videosthat are very old, but he is
really somebody that that you should lookinto. And he was murdered by the
government as well for his knowledge.Suicided suicide yeah, he could have put
his hands tied behind his back.Yeah yeah, and yeah, and uh

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a rubber hose so tight around hisneck that that he literally his face was
black, I mean he was yeah. Yeah. How do you suicide yourself
with your hands tied behind your backand a and a rubber two so tight
that your head's about to come Idon't think so there's yourself in the back.
There is no a place where governmentofficials can actually as you can see

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here, the government government officials canreport that they have seen a UFO or
the new term u A P Ithink it was, uh that what is
that? That's a non ufo UFO. Yeah, it's I call it the
politically correct version, but it's anunidentified There's something else I get rebranding campaign.

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Yeah, why why why do theydo that? I mean, it's
what was wrong with UFO. There'sa little stigma attached to the notion of
UFOs. It's a joke, Iguess, yeah, you know what emotionally
endangered some of the aliens. Iguess. Yeah. But this is a
place not not for regular people,but for government officials to actually report UFO

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sightings. Which I find rather interestingtoo, is there saying is what they're
basically telling you is something's happening.We don't trust if you say anything,
but we'll have some of our governmentpeople say a few things, and who
knows if this is even reliable.Well, it makes sense that actually,
if this invasion that Phil Schneider saidwas going to happen in twenty twenty nine,

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five years to prepare us and getus frightened enough for this takedown of
Earth, it kind of makes alittle bit of sense to me, you
know, the fear factory start.There's another question here. A lot of
people think that it's going to bea great thing for the aliens to come

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here, for us to meet aliens. Maybe we can trade technologies we can
give them, you know, maybesome new flavors of ice cream. Will
they get us some nice setrifugal flighttechnology or something like that, or a
harvercraft technology that we didn't have before? All right, I am joking,
but I people just seem to lookforward to the idea of meeting aliens.

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Okay, maybe a benevolent society wouldcome and meet us. However, what
might be more of a consideration isthat what happens if it's a predatory society
that comes and tries to visit us. They want to colonize or maybe destroy
the planet, kill us and takeour resources. Are we playing with fire
by trying to deliberately contact extraterrestrials?In your opinion, I think so,

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And I'll tell you I'm kind ofthe outlier of the group US posed.
I don't necessarily have an opinion onwhether I believe or not. I mean,
certainly I'm open to anything. Ilive in Florida, I'm between two
Air Force bases, so I'm constantlyhearing things that I don't see. Whereas
I feel like on this side,people that are reporting these UFOs, et

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cetera, I feel like they're seeingsomething more than they're hearing something. And
I'm quite the opposite, you know, from my perspective. But going back
to your question, Chris, Yes, you know, as a Christian,
it's like, where did the aliensfit into to my world? World?
Well, so many theories out there, and we could debate this all day

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long. You can go through thescriptures of the Bible and try to match
things together. But I think,and this is my opinion. We all
have opinions here. My opinion isthat these creatures are or this whole uh,
this whole world. I don't thinkthat they are sharing the same blood

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type that you and I are sharing. I don't see them being a physical
body. And if I go bymy scripture, my Bible tells me that
God created all living things on theearth, and then but the whole angel
realm. You know, those thingswere created. They're spiritual, and they
were created to serve the purpose ofGod. And then of course with loose

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for falling from heaven to one thirdof the angels with them, Well what
happened to those angels? Well,you know, some people are connecting the
dots. Maybe Billy Graham was constantlytrying to tie the connections between demonic activity
and you aliens. But this isnot the first time this has been tried

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before. So but anyway, it'ssomething if I saw, if I saw
something, first of all, it'sgonna make me wonder naturally. But if
I encountered a physical being, I'mgoing to be very cautious. I'm not
extending my hand because it doesn't fitwith what you know I believe personally.

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I think that what's unarguable is thatwhatever it is, and there are various
ideas these days are the current,some of which is that they've been here
way before we have. They areearth thweating creatures. Other people think they're
extraterrestrial. Other people think they're interdimensional. So they could be or all of

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those things, you know, Butwhatever they are, they seem to be
from the craft that we observe tobe technologically superior to us. And I
think from a military point of view, when you're encountering a technologically superior army
race or whatever it is, you'rescrewed. Yeah, very much, it
could be. Any Has anyone readProject Blue Book, because I certainly did.

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The author said that there were fiftyfive different species, and I actually
believe that we are here because ofthe aliens. Personally, I think I
think we have alien DNA, evenab RH negative blood, which my son

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has. I mean, they saythat that is also more towards the alien
blood type, and I just I'mand it just otherwise it doesn't make sense.
And not not to put down yourreligion. I was born cat Catholic,
I went through you know, allof that stuff as well. But

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I yeah, the thing is isI I truly believe that we certainly didn't
come from just Adam and Eve becausethe diversity, the different kinds of ethnicity,
ethnicity just doesn't make sense with Adamand Eve. So I think that
that we're just all different species ofalien and human. I don't know who

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made it with who, but yeah, genetics and the incest thing does that
kind of doesn't pan out anyway overthose. But I understand where you're coming
from here, and a lot ofa lot of genesis can be uh discovered
described as parable. Now here's somethingto the idea that religion and these I'm
going to say it ready you apsand that and again unidentified aerial phenomenon.

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That's what it is, politically correctterm for UFOs stands for amalist anomalists.
Yeah. So the idea is thatthe ancient civilizations used to used to you'll
see it in Egypt. There area lot of other ones that have drawn
gods or beings that came down fromflying chariots. This has been interpreted by

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scientists or an archaeologists, many ofthem as a be a possible real life
experience where these ancient civilizations had metup with aliens who came down from the
sky and there was no other explanationby them. And that can also be
legitimized by the fact that certain structuresand landing landing pads and if you will,

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that are virtually identical have been foundin different hemispheres, you know,
both sides of the both sides ofthe world remote and these are remote societies
who have never went into contact withthe each other. And well, look
at the pyramids. I mean,come on, the pyramids. We could
not build the pyramids today and youlook at I mean, it's incredible how

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that I mean, you know,Stonehenge, Stonehenge, I mean these are
I mean, it's just impossible.I mean they have to have been alien
uh helpers there, in my opinion, has to be. It's just common
sense. I mean, how didyou how? It just doesn't make sense
otherwise, certainly the assid question markpyramids and stuff like that, because you

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can't explain, no, you builtwithin the timeframe that we're told that they
were builting, and so it isa massive question mark. And I think
the whole all that we're talking aboutis really a series of massive question marks
to which the answers are unclear.Right now, Well, it's I think
it's very funny that we're so narcissisticto think we're the only ones in this

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universe. So I mean, tome, it's just again, human beings
are the most narcissistic, selfish me, me, me, I'm so great.
And the thing is is we weare not alone. I've seen the
ships myself. I absolutely know thatthey have been here far longer than millions

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of years, I believe, Andyou know, I think we are so
lucky to be here at this particulartime in history because I think I think
we're going to finally get the answersto all of these questions that we have
today. I believe that with allmy heart, and I think it's going
to happen sooner than later would Iwould hope. So, but you have

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to think that governments, if theseships have been found, were somehow escorted
back here for some reason or another. You have to think that a lot
of our scientists were versus engineering someof these things, not unlike the rumors
that were going around that the ThirdReich was doing so world War two.
All right, all right, right, so you think that's what led to

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the what were you calling it theBattle of La La And that was February
twenty fourth and twenty fifth, nineteenforty two, that's when that happened.
Yeah, that's that we don't Itisn't common knowledge, you know, and
something that was that visible and witnessedby that many people, And I don't

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know. I thought it was crazythat I didn't know that until I was
in my thirties, you know.And you know, if you go into
most elementary schools and high schools today, at least in America, if you
ask them anything about the Holocaust,I think most of the kids don't know
about that either. And so manypeople don't know about it because they're not
freaking teaching it because they were notworried about CRT and yeah, right,

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yi, and teaching kindergarten that thereare fifty two different genders. Yeah,
like fifty five different aliens. Right, of course, that made me think
of that. Fifty five different aliensand fifty two what is it, fifty
three different genders? There's a relationthere. I think. You bring this
up though our society is messed upin a lot of ways. Okay,

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how can you not think the alienswould have the same problem? Think about
that. Realizations we have to gothrough certain kind of evolution and yes,
social evolution as well. Maybe maybethey're just as narcissistic as us. They're
celebrity oriented, just like just likethis this world is in the first world,
that is, and possibly we're goingto run into some societies that are

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almost just like us, that mayhave a little bit of extra technology that
we didn't have, and vice versa. Let's say we're able to travel in
the next one thousand years, We'reprobably going to find societies that aren't quite
as advanced as ours. Maybe maybeif something's more advanced they're going they I

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think that we assume that they musthave gotten over, got grown beyond their
primitive brains. Like you know,a lot of what's wrong with us is
that we still have these neanderthal elementsgoing on in our heads. Oh they
say that, but with our societies, well, with with our society's problems.
Our technology has advanced manyfold from theIndustrial revolution moving forward. So think

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about that. Yeah, okay,and explain that series that. I mean,
what what do you mean by nantendency? You know, to be
afraid of things that are different,you know, smash, there's there's kind
of a root primitive brain urge tobe violent when when afraid, I would

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say that probably described it the bestto to destroy whatever you don't understand.
M And when we are getting beyondthat, it's it's easier to advance.
Well, I think there are lotsof different humans. A lot of them
are like you say, you know, but the others have been mystics and

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say, you know, spiritual advancementis sort of something that a lot of
people are interested in and involved inat various different levels, you know.
So that's the thing. It's it'sa whole spectrum of different things that we're
looking at dealing with, I think. And if there's multiple alien presences,

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you know, then it's kind oflike I remember watching the movie, you
know, Men in Black with mykids when they were little. You know,
you know, this is like adocumentary, kid, you know,
and they were like ridiculous, youknow, I love that movie. Look
at but look at look at implants? I mean, but what what about

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the implants that they're now coming outwith. I mean people that have been
abducted And I say they have beenabducted because I absolutely believe this with every
fiber of my being. Uh,you know, now they're coming out with
implants in the hand. What Imean to me, I just think that
they've been rolling this stuff out.But people have been talking ever since what
ah gosh, I hate being sixtyfour. I forget named. But uh

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the couple, the interracial couple thatwas abducted, Betty Betty Hill, Betty
and Betty Hill, Bonnie yeah,yeah, well you know, well they
were talking about implants as well,and that you know, these these young
yeah, and it usually runs infamilies, I mean the children Barney and

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Betty Hill, right, so youknow now they're rolling out implants. Everything
is just going to be you justwave your hand over cash, you know,
a little pad when you're shopping,or you just walk into a market
and it senses your and you neverhave to pay for any I mean,
this is this is crazy stuff togo from. I'm with you here,

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and this is this is important becausethere have been abductions. We know this.
If I ever get absucked it,I'm pretty sure some aliens might be
seeing this watching YouTube, thinking whocould I abduct this time? If they
choose me, I would prefer theuh, you know, the thing in
my hand while I'm asleep over thatthat needle that goes in your eye from
Fire in the sky. To justsee that that thing was just Yes,

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that was the most horrifying movie Ihad ever seen. Because I've seen slasher
movies and I love them, butthis I couldn't take it. You're like,
they're going to the eye, Imean the eye the guy's awake.
No, I think they took libertieson that one. Well, you know,
movie makers take liberties. I thinkthat they probably didn't, but some
other way. But I truly believethat we're being impregnated by alien sperm and

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can I say sperm alien sperm andyeah, and that we're being right and
these children are being raised by thealiens because all of a sudden, you're
pregnant and then you're not. AndI mean, these are these are things
that cannot be denied, that soul. And there are hundreds of thousands,
if not millions, of people thathave been abducted, that have claimed that

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they were pregnant all of a sudden, woke up and the baby is gone.
And uh, you know these youdon't you don't like me too,
you know, you have to believethem. I believe these people. I
don't. I do too, becauseimagine having something like that happened to you

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and then nobody believes you. Butthere's also going back to what Jack was
talking about with mystics and such,there is this spiritual element as well with
a lot of the people that seeupos and they know they're going to see
them before it happens. And there'sthere's a guy, of course I can't

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think of his name, and I'mI'm sixty two, but he's got this
whole group of people go together inthe desert and they will they uposed to
come, and he's saying, it'svery very spiritual. These beings want to
warn us. They don't want usto destroy ourselves and the planet. But

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I love him, by the way, I know who you're talking about.
Yeah, Marie met him actually,and I've watched a lot of his podcasts
and some of his short films sinceI think it was wonderful. I can't
remember learn it. There we go. Yeah, right, I do have

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something, Jeremy, you mentioned earlierthat there's a correlation between obviously Christianity faith
and extraterrestrials. You might remember justrecently Congressman Eric Pearlson out of a Missouri
had publicly said about the discourse aboutUFOs. I'm gonna say UFOs. I'm
not saying you weight peas. Right. He says that extraterrestrial beings basically are

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angels, okay, or when heuses the term angels, he says it's
synonymous with extraterrestrial beings. That's theI think that's the way he put it.
What are your thoughts on that,Jeremy, because it kind of kind
of goes with what you said earlierin the program, right, excuse me
the uh? You know, theBible is full of instances where these extraterrestrial

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beings or angels interacted with humans.And in fact, there's a scripture and
I don't want to quote scripture perse, because there's different interpretations of the
Bible, but there is a scripturethat reads that the tools that these angels
have are not of this world.And when I think of that, I
think that the tools that they have, meaning, are they able to come

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in and out of dimensions? Arethey able to, you know, take
a saucer and defy gravity and maneuverrittenways that we just can't understand. And
it kind of all makes sense tome, It really does, And I
support the congressman's theory. Also,I mean, I believe this. I
don't talk about this very often.I don't even know if Michelle and I

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even discussed this is a safe space, if you will. I'm in a
little box here. So but yeah, I agree with him, and that's
I think what you just said summarizeseverything else that I have said up to
this point. So, and Iam not carrying this torch for Christianity and

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trying to correlate this with the wholeUFO phenomenon. I'm not like that.
I've never spoken about this, Idon't think publicly to anybody other than maybe
my brother perhaps. But yeah,I think it's great that we're all talking
about this because there's so many categoriesof different types of research and attributes you

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know, for the government. Ilook at it, well, I want
to think that the government is payingattention to this because this is a threat
to our nations, the threat tothe earth. You know, as far
as science, science is concerned aboutwhat's the origin of these beings, what
is their life expectancy? You know, we're looking at it from a man's
perspective, and then of course youknow, theology is looking at you know,

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what do they have a religion,how do they assimilate, do they
group? Do they live together?And these are all questions. And I'm
thinking of angels are all in heaven. But if a third of them fall,
where do they go? They gotto go somewhere. What do they
do? You know, there's awhole old chapter in the Bible about angels.

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This is good. This is thefallen angels. And they described Lucifer
because he was the leader. Hewas the one who tried to take the
place of God and God said nope, and you know, because of his
pride. He That is interesting becausea third of the angels followed Lucifer.
So they or you know, somenames for them are demons, you know,

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but it's interesting that that means twothirds of the angels did not.
So it does make you wonder likeand it kind of made me think of
the Mothman prophecies. If you eversaw the movie or or read anything about
those, that's interesting too, becausea lot of that happened in West Virginia.
I don't think it was just WestVirginia, Virginia, yes, yeah,

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thank you, but I think therewere like some sightings also in Pennsylvania.
And even the movie was good.You know, Richard Gear and Laura
Lenny played uh the police officer.That's interesting because as even though you know,
like Shari was saying, you know, from movies, they tend to
you know, like dramatizings that probablydidn't happen. But the basic premise is
that all these different people who didn'tnecessarily know each other saw the same type

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of thing. Where was this justvery large kind of like the shape of
a human, but the enormous wingsand the red eyes. Every single eyewitness
said the eyes were like they wereon fire. And so that makes me
think the same thing because y'all wasraised a Christian. I kind of fell
away and then I came back,and I think the same thing. Instead

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of like trying to say, isit either the Bible or Aliens, I
think it can be both. Imean, it would make sense that one
third of the angels who fell awaycan take these different forms, you know,
that can can kind of like morphismthe right where, but they can

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take different forms and appear to usthat way. Think the mathmat prophecies is
a good example of that, youknow, And that's just that's my my
thoughts. Anybody else prophecies good theprophecies is really terrifying. That's an example
of this interdimensional aspect. You knowthat it's in the realm of sort of

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paranormal. I suppose you would callit as opposed to because I think with
UFOs u APS, we tend tothink that we're talking about nuts and bolts,
machines and beings of we're not fleshand blood exactly, but beings that
stand in the same space that wedo. Whereas with paranormal stuff, you
know, you're you're talking about beings, ghosts, whatever it might be.

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You know that we don't really wheredimension and they go out of it again
sort of thing, you know.And you know, so I think that
the confusing thing about UFOs for peoplewho are not into it and maybe listen
to this and sort of think,you know that we sort of lurch between
being reasonably you know, objective aboutit and then being very kind of unobjective

(34:04):
about it. You know. Butone of the problems is, you know,
this paranormal aspect to it. Youknow that it's not a normal phenomena
that you can kind of tie downwith with scientific method. The scientific method
doesn't really help us explain it atall. And you're always down to sort
of eyewitness stuff and blurry stuff,you know. So it's it's a very
difficult subject to get people into,and there's no one thing that you can

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say, I don't think, butit's for a skeptic to suddenly go like,
oh I get it now, Yeah, I say they must. I
think it's over the over the years, you know, you read different books,
you hear different stories. It doesn'tgo away. And you start to
see this overarching pattern of people stumblingacross information or actually experiencing things themselves,

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you know, like a Phil Schneidertype character, you know, And and
the constant government denial is has alwaysbeen so. And then it's I think,
this bigger picture and a lot ofinformation you start to sort of realize
that there's definitely something going on,and you know, a lot of it
must be close to the truth.Well, there's a good show that I

(35:16):
keep binge watching Stood. I lookedon it, Caught on camera paranormal activities,
and there's a ton of UFO stuff. And the thing is, we
have cameras all the time. Wehave a camera on us. There are
cameras, you know, set upthe close circuit TV and and we are

(35:39):
capturing more and more and more ofall of these phenomena, and among them
are the UFO phenomena. And right, it seems like there's more and more
people who are saying they knew somethingwas happening before they got out their camera,
before they saw it, and thengot out their camera, like there's

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a psychic connection. You know whatbaffles me a little bit. Or these
civilizations that have gone lost, theAztecs, the Mayans, I mean,
you know, you look, youlook at again Egypt, you look at
just how how people just because historyonly seems to go so far and then

(36:22):
it's almost like we had to startover again. Maybe maybe we're entertainment in
a way. We'll see if whatwhat actually is going to work for us
to be more enlightened beings. I'mnot exactly sure, but I am usually
like with the Aztecs, you lookat these amazing civilizations that where the people

(36:42):
just disappeared, they just boom gone. Yeah. And one shift where the
equator becomes the North and South pole. Oh yeah, the polarship and this
could happen again. I mean,I'm not faus, but if it happens
again, it could cause some realproblems too. But think about that,

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the polar shift when it happened before, we could have lost a lot of
civilizations. Perhaps, I mean,I'm not going far fetch here. Perhaps
Atlantis, which could have been analien colony or an advance society, maybe
that just got lost and destroyed.Well, they've also found skeletons that are
what eight ten feet tall? Right, I mean, that's come on,

(37:30):
doesn't make any it's common sense.You don't find the giants the giants,
yes, right, but again youlook at Egypt, you look at all
of these hieroglyphics, hieroglyphics, andyou see that there are aliens there,
there's spaceships, there are alien beings, and then all of a sudden boom,

(37:54):
everybody is gone. And there hasn'tbeen a true history for us.
And I truly believe that we're goingto witness it. I think we're going
to witness and I think they've beenhere for millions of years. I think
they are underneath our feet at Dulce. I absolutely believe that. I believe

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Philip Schneider, and I know thegovernment knows. I know they've made dirty
deals and a lot of people havebeen abducted and that was a deal.
And again my age, I forgotthe president that was supposed to have met
that alien on the aliens on therunway and one alien who stayed and there's

(38:38):
photographs of him like at that Pentagonor something with this alien that's one hundred
and I guess are like one hundredand seventy years old. You guys know
what I'm talking about, right,I mean, that alien that was helping
president, wasn't it in nineteen That'sright, we're not talking about that.

(39:01):
Yeah, but he but he madehe made a deal that the aliens could
only abduct so many people. Andthey ended up breaking that deal. The
aliens did because they got a littlesick and tired of you know, playing
playing around with us. US folksknow exactly what was saying and what went
on, you know. I mean, it's just the very if it happened,

(39:21):
the very fact that it happened,I think is kind of mind blowing.
Now, we don't want to wedon't want to confuse this guy with
the weekly world news alien that comesout every election cycle. The president.
Oh gosh, the alien always picksthe picks the winner. I mean that
that's just the way it works.But anyway the alien backs, maybe he'll
back r FK this year, sowho knows. But but I do want

(39:45):
to get to this question. Then, could there be aliens living among us
and us not knowing? As forthat uh little agreement you were talking about
Shari just a few moments ago,or maybe something else, mm hmm oh,
I'm just going to say right out, absolutely they are, and uh
yeah, for sure, go ahead. I'm saying islands are hybrid, and

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you know the people that are descendedfrom them, they have these wonderful almond
shaped eyes, and I think thesweets for sure, the blonde, blue
eyed, beautiful people, you know, I think that they definitely are.
You know, the a Lades arethe Norwegians Norwegians. Yeah, okay,

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So you know it's interesting that youpointed that out because my brain goes everywhere
when you said, uh, Swedesdefinitely because of their their physical features.
So you know, I'm sure alot of us did the ancestry DNA and
that type of thing. So Iknow I'm a part of me is Swedish,

(40:51):
German, Irish, African, alsoWelsh. So does that mean that
if you do your ancestry and theyand of course ancestor DNA is not one,
correct, you know, there's alwaysthe room for air there. But
does that mean that if you're partSwedish or part whatever. You're just saying

(41:13):
Welsh, that that's possible that youand I would have some kind of alien
DNA because I know you had mentionedthat earlier, Shuri, that you think
absolutely, Okay, absolutely absolutely,I think part of that theory. But
that's interesting. No, that wouldthat would vindicate my elementary school teachers from

(41:35):
back in the grade. Yeah,I'm sorry, go ahead, No,
I was just gonna say, Chris, your question was are they among us?
You know? Maybe, but Ican say since I'm correlating, you
know, my religious black angels withaliens, good or bad, and that's

(41:57):
to be determined. But I doknow, you know, I've had encounters.
We all have. We've all metpeople that came into our life for
just five minutes, but somehow itchanged the course, maybe took this on
a different path. One time Iwas at I was an admission clerk for
lack of a better term, atan amusement park and you had to get

(42:21):
your handstamped if you left the parkand came back in. Well, this
kid. I never saw him.He left the park somewhere and came back
in or trying to come back in, and I'm asking for his handstamp.
He has no handstamp, and soI turned him away. Well five minutes
later, his dad came up tome and was was ready to just you
know, break me in half.And I was a scarning the little guy.

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I was frobamly fourteen, fifteen yearsold, and suddenly this man I
have no idea who he was orwhere he was, but he stepped in
behind me and he defended me,and he was making a like a verbal
threat at the guy who was threateningme. And the next end of this
guy's gone. I have no ideawho he was, where he came from.

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And I'm on top of a hill. The amusement park was below,
so the parking lot was high.This guy came out of nowhere. And
I am convinced to this day thatthat was somebody that my God said to
me on my behalf. And Ican only refer that as an angel.
You know, maybe I'm nuts,I don't know, but that's just my

(43:25):
personal I understand. No, thatmakes that makes sense to me. Yeah,
that was gonna hurt me. Thatis that's a good story. Can
you still remember it? Yeah,because it scared the pins out of you.
Yeah, I've seen I've seen twoUFOs. We were talking earlier.
The very first one. I wasin seventh grade and it was hovering over

(43:49):
the supulvided Damn, everybody saw it. It was on the front page of
the La Times for crying out loud. When I was only fourteen years old.
My twin sister, when I wasshooting a movie called Parasite, terrible
movie. Never to me, tome Morris first movie, by the way.
She denies it, but I meanshe never talks about it. But
we are having Lake Piru and drivinghome from the set. My sister and

(44:15):
a friend, Marie, had amoon roof and they're driving down the five
Freeway over by you, Susan,and they could see it and it was
a mothership, and it was blackand hovering over the five, heading towards
Los Angeles. And as they wentunderneath it, they could see all the
components and and uh, it wasenormous. It was like a mountain.

(44:42):
And that she saw it. Andyou know, if only we'd have had
cell phones back then, they wouldhave gotten pictures of it, but you
know, and then I saw onejust last year in Arizona, very close,
and it came down and it wascloaked and because it was like this
grayish with almost like like a burgundyovertone it and I could feel it coming

(45:05):
because like like we were talking earlier, there's this electricity in the air,
drained my cell phone, drained myelectronic cigarette, and uh but I mean
it came right down and it waslike, oh my god, it was
amazing and it was silent, anduh so you know, I think we
got to buckle up buttercups because becausefinally, finally they can't deny it anymore.

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And I think people, I thinkwe're all just awakening to just,
first of all, just the absurditiesthat's going on around the world right And
it's absurd what they're doing to people. You know, a friend of mine
reached out saying Canada is now acommunist country. They're locking everyone down.
They removed a F. Trudeau flagfrom a friend's for the police came and

(45:59):
I mean, so we're becoming,uh, a police state the world as
a whole. And I think that'snow that we're after COVID we're kind of
primed now for the next the nexthorror show, and that's going to be
this whole thread of alien invasion,no doubt, in my mind, alien

(46:20):
emergency. If you will, therewe go, the alien health emergency that's
gonna happen, Jack, an alienAnthony Fauci perfectly fits the description of an
alien, no doubt, garden aliens. Yeah, I was thinking, because

(46:42):
he just lies content and it's like, uh, yeah, Jeremy, you
wanted to I just wanted to know, Jack, how does a guy with
your background, your success, whatwas it about the whole phenomenon that has
captivated you and so which was sointerested to join us today for this conversation?

(47:04):
What happened in your life? Iguess well, I moved out of
London about thirty years ago, andI met people who were in the subject.
You know, in London, Ionly met people who were into sort
of shopping and looking good, Isuppose, but out here, and I
say yet here. I live inCanterbury, which is a sort of a
city. But I went along toa couple of talks that a friend of

(47:30):
mine had organized where they were talkingabout One of them was by a guy
called Richard Hogland, who wrote abook about the Face on Mars, which
was a sort of a thing inthe nineties, you know, gone off
the boil a bit that one.But anyway, I met all these people
who were talking about UFOs. Theywere talking about the Philadelphia Experiment, all
this stuff which I knew nothing about. And I was kind of amazed that

(47:53):
I knew nothing about it, youknow, given that I, you know,
tour the world. I'd thought ofmyself a fair sort of you know,
worldly person, you know, AndI started reading books. I got
a book by Timothy good called BeyondTop Secret, I think Above top Secret,
which I recommend to anybody who isstarting out on the subject. You

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know, I was thinking about thisbefore we spoke. You know, how
would you encourage someone to get intothe subject, I'd say, Timothy Goods,
Above Top Secret is a great startingpoint. And there's a movie by
James Fox called The Phenomenon, whichI think is absolutely I must watch.
You know, that's sort of verysolid examples of UFO encounters, both the

(48:37):
machines and the beings, and areparticularly striking. A sort of mass observation
of a UFO that happened in SouthAfrica, you know. So you know,
once you get into the subject,I think it becomes very compelling,
you know. And I suppose bythe end of the nineties there was the
X Files, There was Dark Skies, There were these shows that were kind

(48:58):
of like sort of the exploit hatingthis scenario of contact and all of that
stuff. Not that I was ahuge fan of the X Files particularly,
but it was I think there wasrather like now there was this sense of
like the millenniums coming up, there'sgoing to be disclosure, you know,
it's all going to happen, whichit didn't, you know, And I
think that's salutary because it could wellbe that we have this sense of like,
wow, you know, we're righton the edge now of some sort

(49:21):
of real confirmation really by central government, which is what it's got to come
from. Really, you know thatwe are not alone, you know.
But whether that I don't know,you know, because I can understand why,
you know, we all live inconsensus reality, right, you know,
we all agree that that you know, this room I'm in is real,
and you know that politics is realand all the stuff that we sort

(49:45):
of read, you know, butwe're sort of encouraged to think that UFOs
UAPs are not real legacy mediums,and maybe there's good reason for keeping it
out of consensus reality, because onceit becomes accepted in census reality that they're
real, then they are. Andthen you're kind of facing the real kind

(50:07):
of fact of not being alone,of account of dealing with being with a
race that's technologically superior to you,and so on. And I can see
that that's really challenging, you know, And I think when you are in
this subject, just to finish up, you know, when you get really
interested in it, you have afew sort of sleepless nights basically when you
start to realize that it's deep andand it affects everything. You know,

(50:30):
it means that life would never bethe same again if we all started to
really have to accept that it wasa real phenomena. Well, I believe
absolutely. I mean, I'm alreadyway past that personally. I mean,
we're on the brink of nuclear warhere, We are on the brink or
to what's going to take us awayfrom that to would be aliens. And

(50:55):
the fact, I mean that wouldjust stop it all, now, wouldn't
it wouldn't it? It would stopbecause then it's all yeah. So here's
another question. I want to takethis to the next a different level.
Here, Tony Shaper is back withus as well. Let's say we are
being visited or have been visited,and the potential of let's say a takeover

(51:20):
attack or maybe even new technology comesinto question. Here. We do have
a lot of the world's powers,have a lot of satellites now orbiting the
Earth. We are generally controlled byour grids, and probably more so if
certain policies are pushed forth in thenext ten to fifteen years. How badly
could how badly could be crippled byan alien attack, even if it's just

(51:44):
even a computer attack? Or arewe ready for or are we ready to
defend ourselves against an alien I'm noteven going to say invasion, but maybe
interference if you will, Tony,Well, i'most sure on where I'm at.
Believe wise, I've actually seen things. When I was a kid in
the Philippines, I saw something thatwas the UFO. It was three large

(52:07):
balls, black balls connected with alarge thing and these things. This thing
was one hundred and fifty meters bymy estimate, and it flew silently across
the mountains right outside of Clark AirForce Base in Philippines. So I don't
doubt it. And to Jack's point, I think the public was prepared for
some of the things we're talking aboutby the X Files. I know some

(52:30):
folks Jack, who were writers,and I think they were given hints on
things that were going on, andI think that's why we're all kind of
going here. So to reframe yourquestion, Chris a bit, I actually
drove with my son around. Wehad to. We live in real in
the middle of nowhere and rural NorthCarolina, so we have to drive an
hour to get to any big city. So we went shopping and my son

(52:52):
and I were talking. He's seventeen, and it's like, we recognize we
live on a very special planet,no matter who you are. I think
just the fact we have a stableplanet if you look at all the other
planets out there, the billions outthere, so we are I think a
very magical place. We are blessedwith. That said, I don't think

(53:15):
it's by chance we're here. AndI think that the idea that man could
do stupid things to get us trouble, I have no doubt that we could
be very stupid as a species.I've seen the stupidity firsthand. I've seen
the avarice, I've seen the greedchery and I have talked about this a
little bit. I got an environmentalstudy degree because I actually am concerned about
the environment. I want to seeus preserve the environment in real ways.

(53:37):
But with that said, I thinkthere are forces out there that are invested
in the Earth, continuing no matterwhat, and we may call those aliens,
we may call them. You know, one of the other series I
liked and enjoyed when I was akid was Battlestar Galactica, and ultimately there
were things out there trying to helpthe human race survive. So if you

(53:59):
look at Battlestar Galactic of the originalseries, not the new one, which
I love, Jim Jimmy James almostdid a great job with all the new
casts. I'm not casting aspersions onthe reimagined Battlestar Galactic. I love it,
But the idea of the original BattlestarGalactica was maybe there's forces out there

(54:20):
that will help us survive. SoChristy, you're ant to answer your question,
I think there are things out therethat maybe we don't fully understand that
aren't necessarily out trying to invade us. They're trying to basically make sure we
don't do something that's so stupid toruin the bounty and gifts we have now
before. So that may be abit radical to look at, But I
just I don't believe that we're goingto be invaded. So I think that

(54:42):
we've They're already here, Tony,you know, they're already here. I
don't think it's they're just gonna comeout of the the ground or wherever they've
been, you know, And Icome on, it's just there's a great
scene. There's a great scene inepisode two The X Files were Molder's on

(55:07):
a track running. I don't knowif you guys remember this. This is
like the second episode. Huge fan, huge fan. And so so the
guy cans walking across the field andsays, you've seen things you weren't supposed
to and Moulder says, they're here, aren't they? And he says,
mister Moulder, they've been here along long time, longer than Yeah.

(55:31):
Watching an interview with the Bubblaza andJoe Rogan, Yeah, that's a very
interesting interview to watch bub Blazar.I think is an interesting guy who came
out in the eighties saying that he'dworked at Area fifty one and he'd worked
on reverse engineering the technology, youknow, the alien technology. And during

(55:52):
this interview he's sort of, youknow, Joe Rogan, sort of same
team, you know, where dothey get this stuff? You know,
I mean these crashed discs and soon, you know, And Bob Lasar
says, well, my understanding isthat some of it is came from an
archaeological dig. And I found thatreally sort of mind blowing, do you
know what I mean that this isyou know, these guys, as they

(56:14):
say, you know, with toothbrusheskind of going through some rocks and stuff,
you know, suddenly comes from somehuge metal thing in the ground,
you know, And that sort ofin a sense gives you maybe a little
bit of perspective on that when talkingabout they've always been here, you know,
like for thousands, maybe tens ofthousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of
years. Of course, what aboutalien what about alien autopsy? I mean

(56:37):
you can't, you can't. Imean, the best makeup artists in the
world, so that this was impossiblefor them to have been able to make
that alien happen. I mean,that's a real autopsy of an alien's you've
seen it. Oh yeah, theold film you're talking about, right,
old film it was. It wasin the early nineties when that was came

(57:01):
to light. The alien on topsare black and white? Yeah, yeah,
I mean you can't right, Imean they had every major makeup artist,
movie makeup artist say that this justis impossible. I couldn't do it
today. What is on this blackand white film? And when you look
at it, I mean it's obviouslyan alien and that is But the fact

(57:24):
that they continue to turn around,this government of ours, is to think
that we are that stupid that theycould turn around say that that is faked.
It's just it's it's it's an insultto me. Now I'm insulted by
them. I'm insulted by our governmentthinking that we are that stupid that we
uh that we can't handle the truth. You know, It's it's obvious to

(57:46):
a lot of us. Exactly isreal is the British the British government are
they is an aggressive one what Sherrysaid there is aggressive about hiding information.
Yes, much more more so herethan because I think there is a sort

(58:07):
of if you like an enlightened lobbythe wants disclosure or at least some sort
of loosening of the the secrecy,or even just acknowledgment on a loan.
Well, the monarchy would be gone. I mean, there would be no
queen, there'd be no king,there'd be none of that. I mean
they would I would think they wouldbe have to do that to keep the

(58:30):
whatever the heck you know that isall about. I think what over here
was the you know, Renders fromForest. Are you guys familiar with that?
Yes, yeah, nineteen eighty Ithink, wasn't it sort of Christmas
to New Year nineteen eighty? Andyou know, that's a pretty well researched

(58:50):
story, and a book came outlast year, I think by a guy
who's really gone into massive depth aboutit. You know, but things like
that are just simply never reported here, and there's a sort of a sort
of jokey kind of skepticism still aboutthe subject over here. I think,
you know, well, Jack,I was actually on Australian TV a while

(59:12):
back with a former British intelligence officialwho's been trying to disclose all this stuff.
I don't remember his name, buthe's been on Ancient Aliens, He's
been on a bunch of the othershows, which I love Ancient Aliens.
I mean, I love that.I gotta tell you, I watched that
stuff and Graham Graham, Graham Hancock, Graham. Yeah, I love Graham
Hancock. He's rewriting history the wayit should be written. Because Jack,

(59:37):
have you ever been to the Pyramids? No, you should go. I
recommend everybody go, because right nextto the Sphinx, right next to it,
there's this massive block of rock,one hundred ton rock. There's no
way we could move one hundred tonand these things are I mean literally it's

(01:00:00):
it's it's four times the size ofthe room I'm in right now. This
thing is huge, and I'm standingnext to it. I'm thinking, how
is it people don't recognize that there'sno way we could move this today.
We couldn't. That's what we arejust talking about, Tony. I mean
that just just the Pyramids alone shouldmake people sit back and say, this

(01:00:22):
is impossible. We couldn't do ittoday, you know. So, Yeah,
it's incredible. Right, I dohave to close this particular episode out.
We have to do this again,maybe continue this discussion the future find
out more about what's going on,especially as more is revealed from this.
Uh for a Penaga official, it'sgoing to be talking a little bit more

(01:00:43):
or singing like a canary, ifyou will. We'll have more coming out
and maybe we're going to uh.Well, as they said, we should
do a part two with us sometimes. Well, yeah, but we definitely
need them to start talking because,like Tony also agrees that we've got a
nuclear or coming our way and wehave got to something. Something's got to

(01:01:05):
give. Now we're really at thatthat that point in history that we I
think we are just a bunch ofdummies the people that lead this world,
and so you know, blame iton the aliens, right, but it's
always good to find someone to blameit on. So I don't want to.
Can I just leave it with this. I was reading something online and

(01:01:30):
it's an op D, but it'sfrom a scientist and he so this is
interesting thought. If aliens can contacthumanity, who decides what we do next?
Who gets to decide? Because scientistssetting up their post detection hub in
Scotland are concerned that all humans willreact like headless chickens anyway, so that's

(01:01:54):
an interesting thought, who gets todecide what we do? Oh, headless
chickens. I don't know about that. And before you will be scientists in
Scotland, said, headless chickens.And before you blow us all up,
just tell us what's going on.Okay, that's that's basically what we'd like
to do. We'd like to know. Can I ask Jack one last question?
Sure? Is Tony Blair an alien? Oh? Chris, there we

(01:02:19):
go. I'm curious. I don'tknow, you know, I mean some
of the attributes I think you're analien Tony. I mean when when I
met you at that convention, youhad this like weird glow, and I
mean I was like, Wow,is this guy like human? You could
be? That's why. Yeah,the truth is out there, Shari.

(01:02:45):
Yes. As we close the woman, Yeah, as we close this out,
I want to thank you all forbeing with us, Susan Olson,
Jack Hughes, Scherie Curry, TonySchaeffer, Elizabeth Breckett Camp and Jeremy Kennedy.
I want to I appreciate you comingon. We'll do a part two
of this in the future. Andyes, we are being watched where they
might be among us, but theyare out there thank you for being with

(01:03:07):
us, and thanks Jack, andlook over your shoulder.