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Speaker 1 (00:14):
No, what's up everybody? It'll welcome to another brand new
episode of Spill the Tequila here on the Aula Nation channel.
For now. I am John Roy Jones. He's always by
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King of swag Win's today Marshall, how are you winsdo
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You know I had to. I got down here. You know,
Papa Marshall. Man, he he's out here living his big life.
I had to make sure he lived the life right.
So you know my Havana's shirt, my Havana cigar by
like twenty dollars glass.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Of brad whine.

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is how he lived. Now, so this is how I live.
You see, you're the next seventy two hours.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
You'll excuse me because I don't know too much about
the background over your family, but I new know you're
from Texas. Is this in Texas or is this in
another state that you're doing this?

Speaker 3 (01:06):
This is indeed in Texas.

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Speaker 3 (01:07):
We we all here, we in Dallas. You know how
we do?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
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Speaker 3 (01:10):
Lane?

Speaker 2 (01:11):
And you know I was saying my dad to say
very well for his retirement. So clearly as he needed
someone to come and be with him. I am happy
to be around smoking the calls right on.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
There you go, nice, nice, I'm a little jealous. I
used to love smoking cigars back in the old days
as well, so RESPECTU. So we got ourselves a hell
of a show today. We got a lot of stuff
to get into, you know. We got the Emmy's nominations
were announced earlier this morning Wednesday, with a lot of snubs,
but also some positive news and then some kind of

(01:46):
middling news overall with the nominations we'll get to. Of course,
the Epstein file stuff is just blown up like crazy
right now. There's a maga civil war going on over that.
There's another civil war going on in the Superman fandom
on line, where people are arguing about the box office
opening weekend at box office of Superman. Some people think
it's amazing, other people think it's it's terrible, and then

(02:09):
somewhere in the middle. There's probably a lot of people
right now at this point coming out of the opening
weekend of Superman, and we got other stuff to get
into if we have enough time for it as well
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pinned in the in the description and it's in the
in the chat as well for you all. So, what's today?
Anything you want to say before we get into this stuff?
Or where are you at right now? Or where are
you at mentally? Emotionally? Where are you at right now? Oh,
looks like he's frozen. Oh we might be losing everybody.

(02:55):
We won't be losing it. Oh, it looks like he's
coming back.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Is that we're doing the moment?

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Okay, all right? No, you frozen even here? Bro Well,
there you go. That's just as we were going to
start the show. We lost Winston and Marshall. Right, Oh
there he is, there he is, I'm here, I'm here
all right, all right. As I said, the Emmy nominations

(03:21):
came out this morning, Winston, interesting stuff when you look
at the overall nominations here, and of course that's Harvey,
Geean and Brenda song who announced the nominations got up
real early to do that. But overall, this is an
interesting list of nominees and the stats around the nominees
are fascinating when you look at it. Twenty seven nominations

(03:41):
for Severn's pretty amazing stuff there. Apple TV Plus series
nabbed twenty seven noms there and that was it. And
then the Penguin got twenty four nominations, followed by The
Studio and White Lotus with twenty three nominations. The Last
of Us got sixteen nominations for its for its season there,
and Or and Hacks had fourteen nominations each, Adolescence of

(04:05):
the Bear and the Pit with thirteen nominations each. And
this is a pretty good in terms of the amount
of nominations for both and Or and the Penguin. I mean,
the Penguin coming up just below the top show here
with nominations at twenty four to severances twenty seven. It's

(04:26):
pretty amazing stuff here. Christa Minada got nominated, Colin Farrell
got nominated. So what are your thoughts when you look
at these nominations. You look at these the amount of
nominations that were had here and the kind of people
that were nominated here.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
I mean, I think the part that I'm no there,
I go here, I am okay. I think the part
that I am most impressed by is to see that
the studio, the Severance, and that the Pit all got recognized.
All incredible shows that really stepped up. Yeah, what TV
can be this year? And so I'm happy to see

(05:02):
that the Penguin God is due. I'm curious to see
how a lot of this is going to play out,
because there are some nominations on some of this that
I don't agree with.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Like I still don't agree with the fact that they
put the.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Bear in the comedy category series that he still doesn't
ring proper. So that's there's that I didn't watch and
or so I actually can't speak too much about the
lack of nominations there. Unfortunately, I know that a lot
of people did, and I know you were one of
the ones that was praising how incredible it was. Tell

(05:33):
me that it's it's a shame that they didn't get
on there that I fully believe you, I just for
that show in particular, I just can't speak to that.
But I think seeing what Severance pull off this year,
I think what The Pit was able to do this year,
and I think The Studio, which is my favorite show
of the year so far. I'm enjoying what I'm seeing
and I'm very curious to see if it's going to

(05:54):
play out the way everybody thinks it will.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yeah, it's certainly a good year for television and a
lot of formats. Both the regular shows that come on
with the seasons that they have, but also the limited
series have been pretty amazing. Some of the TV movies
have been pretty amazing. So it's an interesting year full
of a lot of a various amount of nominations for
shows with different types of energies to them, for sure. Also,

(06:20):
Avid Elementary got nominated The Bear. As you've said, over Hacks,
nobody wants this, only murders in the building shrinking. Harrison
Ford got his first Emmy nominee ever. Kathy Bates got
nominated for Matt Locke. She is the oldest actress to
be nominated for an emby at seventy seven, while Owen
Cooper for Adolescents, which if you guys haven't seen that
on Netflix, do yourself a favor. It's a four episode

(06:43):
series that will absolutely rock.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Is amazing.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, Yeah, Owen Cooper got nominated as the youngest nominee
there for Supporting Actor, even though some people might argue
he is the lead actor on this. Stephen Graham, who
plays his father in the series, got nominated there. But
you also had Martin Scorsese and Ron Howard earning their
first ever acting nominations. Aduba picked up the Best Comedy
Actress nomination for The Residents, and Quinta Brunson got nominated

(07:10):
for both acting, writing and directing, which I think is
the first time a black actress or a black performer
rather has been nominated all three categories in the same year.
So it's pretty amazing the love that the Academy has
for for Abbot Elementary as well. But yeah, you mentioned
something that I I harped on. Oh we lost Winston there.
Oh oh maybe maybe I don't know. Is that okay, Well,

(07:33):
we will see when he comes back. But something that
we were talking about earlier when you looked at the nominations,
and I tweeted about this as well, and so I
want to hit it right off the bat is the
amount of amazing performances we got from the ladies in
and or Denise Goff there Genevieve O'Reilly, Adrian Jona, and
Elizabeth de Lao did not receive Emmy nominations for their

(07:56):
work in season two of Andor, and that was that
was just tough to see, especially when you look at
the White Lotus nominations and like everybody and their mother
got nominated for White Lotus Acting wise, Yet something that
is really powerful, poignant, topical, and really a cut above
anything you've seen before from the world of Star Wars

(08:16):
and Or season two, none of these ladies who delivered
some career defining performances in those shows in that show
were nominated. And so there's a you just get frustrated
with this kind of bias towards these kinds of towards
the sci fi shows or superhero shows that the Academy has.
There seems to be, in my opinion, Winston, like a condescending,

(08:36):
uh approach to shows that they're like, oh, they're not
they're not with They're not the regular shows that we
would normally look at. You know, it's frivolous stuff. It's frustrating.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, yeah, now I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
I think that that is and I think I figure
out the Wi Fi will give me just a second here,
and we should be no more, no more more than
we're speed bumps. But that's something that we've talked about.
That's why I personally get so upset about wait for it.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yes, oh all right, okay, hey there we go.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Okay, so let's do this again. So all that being said,
ghetto ship going on.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Bro, Jesus Dallas, Bro, forget it, Jake.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
We live in we live in big, We live in big.
That's all about.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
My point is that's one of the reasons why I
get mad about, you know, Scorsese making those comments about
the MCU. It doesn't just go to TV, it goes
to t uh, it doesn't just go to movies, goes
to TV as well, this idea that you think that
this medium or this particular way to tell a story
is more poignant than the rest. I hate the fact
that I started watching The Residence. The Residence is actually fantastic.
Got canceled after a season though, because people just didn't

(10:02):
tune into it.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, I'm happy that it was just getting her due.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
But again, you're right, there is a bias of doing
your kind of whatever traditional shows and letting that be
kind of the guiding rod and not giving a lot
of other, you know, interesting and unique ways of telling
stories to get their due.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah. Yeah, it is when you look at how much
The White Lotus was lauded, and from what I you know,
it did a little bit of research today, the critics
did one hundred percent like this season of The White Lotus.
The fact that it had a quote unquote bumpy season
is even more of an indicator that the Academy is
just some of these voters are lazy and then just
default to the easiest choice rather than watching an and

(10:43):
or season two. And this is where it becomes frustrating,
because I think it chips away at the actual validity
of the awards when you look at some like Themes
and the Oscars. Are all these voters really watching all
these shows, really understanding and getting all these shows? Are
they die into these shows? Because then the awards become
something like, well, you just won for the people who

(11:05):
saw the show, the voters that actually saw the show.
You won because the voters actually watched your show. But
if they had watched all the shows, maybe you wouldn't
have won. So to me, I think it really undercuts
a lot of the what is supposed it to be
a pure process where these shows get considered and nominated
and possibly win. And even Pedro Pascal or yeah, Pedro Pascal,

(11:29):
he got nominated for the Last of Us, which was great,
but Diego Luna got shut out, and Diego Luna was
carrying that series and a lot. I mean, his journey
is the main journey of the entire second season, and
so to not have him be nominated, where as whereas
Pedro gets killed when in the second episode or whatever, like,
it's it's just so frustrating when you look at this stuff.

(11:49):
It's like, come on, there's more here to look at,
and I don't know why they didn't do that in
this case, you know, So it's frustrating.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
It's I think that's the whole thing is we just
have to remember that that, unfortunately is we're actually gonna
start going backwards a little bit. Yeah, because you're actually
seeing a massive pushback with the quote unquote we're not
gonna make DEI stuff anymore.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
It almost feels like, fine, get it out so we
can move on.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
And so it's kind of trying to brush stuff to
the side because that that has been the main thing
that I've actually heard from other folks that I know
in the industry have folks that have really great projects
that were lined up that we're supposed to pop off
and then them being like, we're not gonna buy it.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, and so that that is.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
I don't think it's going to get any better now
that like and or is probably is. We're done right
Like again, stins, I haven't seen it, and we're now
officially where Rogue one.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Would start right right by the end.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
So you're not gonna You're not going to get another
opportunity to do that, and you what, you then have
to hope and with that that kind of sucks.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
I love OVID elementary.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I don't want to put the hope of everything that's
not like a standard straight white dude like something all
on the shoulders of Abbot, which everyone has shown that
they are enjoying. But you know what I'm saying, like,
you don't want us to go to a back to
a space with art and with TV and with movies
that a black thing, a Latino thing, anything that's not
that is more of a token scenario than an actual

(13:17):
like freedom of expression, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean and when you look at
the drama series you have and or which is you know,
led mostly by a Latino actor or Hispanic actor, The Diplomat,
The Last of Us, which has Pedero Pascal in it, Paradise,
which I was very happy to see nominations for Paradise.
If you guys haven't watched that show on Hulu, it's
so good with we've heard things about it man, Yeah,
with Sterling K. Brown and Julian Nicholson a host of

(13:41):
other fantastic actors. The Pit certainly a white led show
with a lot of but a diverse cast severance. You
got again a diverse cast in severance, even though it's
you know, Adam Scott, it's his journey slow Horses. There
are a couple of actors of diversity there. But White
Liants is like the rich person show. And to see

(14:03):
all the by that, I mean they're rich people are
the focus of the show, and you see all this
stuff and you and then you look at the nominees
for acting and you White Lotus is like all over
that in terms of the female category and these other categories,
and it just becomes a little bit like they're defaulting
to this. But that being said, I mean them them
highlighting some of these smaller shows and giving love like

(14:23):
nobody wants this shrinking. Uh you mentioned the studio. Apple
TV Plus is still a little bit of a smaller
approach to things, even though they're a massive brand. Uh
so theyn't get as much love. I love that Rebel
Ridge got nominated for its amazing for that film that's
on Netflix, which was really cool as well. Sterling K.
Brown for Paradise getting nominated was great. Sharon Horgan for

(14:45):
Bad Sisters. If you guys haven't watched Bad Sisters, both
those seasons are pretty damn good on Apple TV Plus
as well. I don't see that. I've never seen The Diplomat,
but I hear Carry Russell's great in that stuff.

Speaker 3 (14:54):
I've heard Kerry Russell's fantastic that right.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, exactly, and then and then you see the Severn
stuff of course. But Colin Farrell get nominated. I think
it was really cool Christina Miliatti gett nomads looking So,
I wonder if maybe being on HBO Max is what
gave Ping the Penguin a little bit more of a
leg up than something like Star Wars being on Disney Plus.
Maybe because HBO Max has a legacy of creating these shows.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yes, but my pushback is Wanda one, Wanda WandaVision one.
Like we've seen, we've seen other stuff from their go
It just kind of has to hit in that particular
way that you're gonna draw them in. Yeah, and I
and I think that was it. I think this was
so on another level. And and they a lot of
times it can draw you in from what it is. Yeah,

(15:38):
and that the the the they already saw the makeup
and prosthetics with Colin Ferrell the first time, so they'd, wow,
his acting was crazy. We lost him in this that
so it already had the buzz from a seven hundred
million what was it, seven fifty seven to seventy five Batman,
So they were they were like, of course we got

(15:59):
to with the extension of this is and or I
get it, Like obviously it had a really great first
season and obviously Star Wars is a big gram but
like you said, with it being sci fi and this
this idea that while Star Wars is a massive franchise,
like you said, unfortunately they're not treating it with enough respect.
A Game of Thrones ended up earning it because it
was like ultimately they held off for a bit, but

(16:22):
they heard the insane cast and crew then was tied
to you know, George o'dobartin's massive ip, like you know
what I'm saying. So I think the respect will come.
But with Star Wars already being in such crazy disarray,
and there was already a lot of divisive shit left
and right, sure just became.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
One more excuse for them to not have to acknowledge it.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Yeah, yeah, good point. You're probably right, And I know
know and Or came out of Rogue one, but it's
a different situation when you look at it, the current
versus just some that was still in the top and
the pop culture zeitgeist for the last few years, like
The Batman. So with Penguin coming out of The bat Man,
there was more of a lift here, whereas and Or
had come out, there had been a season one, but

(17:05):
it was still very much a Star Wars show. And
I don't think a lot of the Academy is necessarily
going to watch a Star Wars show and think it's
on the level of something like Severance or or a
White Lotus in terms of nominating it for acting awards,
which I think is unfortunate. It is a show it's
self got nominated, which is nice, but you.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Know, yeah, but I mean that's the other thing that
you got to give actually credit to Apple to all
of a sudden just kind of snake their way in there.
And I don't I don't even mean that in a
negative way, but think about it. You figured out a
ted last, so you figured out a Koda, and now
all of a sudden, your movies and your and your
shows are getting at the top of the list, even
if it's only a couple like F one became a
huge deal this summer, and a lot of people don't

(17:44):
realize that that was an Apple move at Apple Studios
movie that just happened to be run by Brad Pitt
and team and all that. So you have that same
thing within the studio and Sefarence. You got a big
enough names and you got enough of the internet going
crazy over it that you got people to force themselves
to pay attention. And Apple throws in a free like

(18:05):
it's either six months or a year of Apple TV
if you buy a new product too, So they're actually
finding a way to naturally gain the system.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, yeah, so true, so true. And when you look
at the snubs here. This is fascinating stuff. Squid Game
season two got shut out from any nominations at all,
even though it did a it got like a really
great run with its first season with Leading Jay winning
for Best Dramatic Performance.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I'm curious though, because I don't this doesn't list if
they submitted, right, because there's a possibility they submitted season
two and three is one season.

Speaker 3 (18:38):
Obviously you had that break, so you technically put it.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
But I'm just curious if they're treating that second half
as one now.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, I wonder if the voters are. But they submitted
the second season, they did not submit the third because
the Thursdays will be submitted obviously coming upcoming. And Handmaid's
Tail its final season, nothing like it got. It got
to what it got to, maybe one or two nominatedtions,
but not much there overall. With Cherry Jones getting a nomination,
I think it was the only thing that she got,

(19:06):
only one to be nominated from that show, which is
pretty surprising as well. Yeah, Elizabeth Moss being snubbed four
seasons didn't get anything as well. A lot of people
I liked that show with Tina fe Coleman, Demingo and
Steve Carell didn't do anything there. Renees Ellwerger got snubbed
as well Oscar recent Oscar winning Renees Elwiger got snubbed

(19:27):
for Bridget Jones thing what's up the what's up the
White So Patrick Schwarzenegger, everyone was talking about about just
Schwarzenegger and he did not get a nomination at all.
With all of this, and I'll tell you one that's
that bothered me. As disclaimer disclaimer, I ended up we
ended up watching that show on Apple TV Plus from
a fund so on with Kate Blenchett, Kevin Klein and

(19:49):
a host of I went Sasha Baron Cohen, really really
really good show, but didn't do much there At the Emmys.
It only got I think two nominations for Kate blenche
out of her cinematography, So just kind of surprised on that.
And with only Murders, Steve Martin didn't get nominated, but
Selena and Martin short got nominated.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
So I mean the other thing that ends up happening
with the older shows because now only Murders are starting
to become an older show. Yeah, a lot of times
the the the the darling element disappears because new stuff
comes along, which I don't necessarily hate. I think the
only thing that always sucks is if you have somebody
that's been killing it in a role and they maybe
didn't get to get to the promise in but didn't

(20:29):
all three of them win at this point or am
I losing it?

Speaker 1 (20:32):
All three of which ones.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
Only murders.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
So Selena, Martin and right right, right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I Selena's never won. I don't think. I think. I
think Martin and the short of Steve Martin short is
mark short of yeah, no, not okay, Lena, which has
been a big deal because she's a lot of people
have been saying it's a crime, it's a crime, and
what have you.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
No, I get it. But the thing that's hard because
they're a comedy, right.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know, like it's not
it's not like we're sitting out here a scenario where
it's like the ones that did win weren't like fantastic
as well, because then you're talking about Shirley Roth. I
believe sure there was one one because the first time
I think Selena was supporting and now she's lead, and
then another year quin to one. So it's like it's

(21:17):
hard to say, because Abbott has been fully dominating in
the comedy category. But that's also why I feel some
type of way about the Bear being in that in
that realm, it really is more of a drama for
being honest, and so I don't know. I love what
that whole cast is doing on the Bear, but I
think the actual comedy is knowing that we're not getting

(21:37):
to see a lot of them anyway. I hate that
you're kind of taking away from acknowledging those shows.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, yeah, good point, I mean. And another snub, where
is it? I thought I was looking at it just
now I can't. I was looking at it and I
just lost it here. But like another where is it?

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, A Man on the Inside. I thought that Netflix
show with Ted Danson and Stephanie Beecher, I thought was fantastic.
That was a really sweet show that I thought worked overalls.
As I said, I'm saying, and I'm happy to see
the Landman got some love as well. And in here
in the nominations and so yeah, it's quite a list

(22:14):
of nominations. But let's let's move over to the diversity
of this all. Just to go back to a comment
you made earlier when so much I think is very
astute when you're talking about the DEI stuff. So let's
hit with the good news. Queer, Black, Asian and Latino
performers made history, but the overall representation is down for

(22:36):
people of color, especially for folks of Asian and Indigenous
descent and Indigenous Zon McLaren. If you're not watching Dark
Wins on AMC, you're missing out on four great seasons
led by a bunch of a bunch of very talented
Native American actors. Zoon McLaren being the top one of
them all, never gets nominated, he's so good in his

(22:56):
Of the ninety two total performers nominated the Acting County Gallaries,
twenty four of them are people of color, which is
a dip from twenty twenty four. Asian, Latino, black actors
made significant strides though, with thirty nominees overall, members of
the LGBTQ community did well across all categories. Bella Ramsey
picked up their second Outstanding Lead Actress and the Drama
Series for Last of Us, becoming the only non binary

(23:18):
performer to be twice nominated for Acting Emmys. Let's see
what else have they got here? And queer actors were
particularly well represented in the Supporting act category, with Coleman Domingo,
Jeff Hiller, Michael Uri, and Boeing Yen Bow and Yen
taking up half of the slots. Annah Einbinder for Hackscott
nomination she identifies as bisexual, and Cynthia Ribo earned her

(23:38):
third nomination as well for poker Face. There and of
course RuPaul and Alan Cumming, who are members of the LGBTQ,
got nominated again as stars for That and Travel. Tillman
is position to make history for severance. If he wins
Outstanding Sporting Actor in Drama Series, he would become the
first black man to win this category in the twenty
first century. So yeah, yeah, we look at this stuff here.

(24:02):
So it's it's fascinating stuff. And i Aida Berry has
been nominated for director as well as actress because she directed.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
That was cool.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, so but yeah, it's funny man, because I'm looking
at I'm looking at what the Bear is up against
m M and hacks Abbot from last year. I'm not
looking at at this all right, just to see this
this problem that I have with them constantly going comedy.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
So they went up against hacks Abbot, herb Her final.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Season Only Murders, Palm Royal Reservoir Dog Reservation Dogs, and
what we do in the Shadows right, And I think
what it was is like you're going up against Shogun,
the Crown, Fallout, the Gilded Age, Morning Show, Mister and Missus,
Smithsville Horses and three Body Problem. They're just like, you
know what. I think we might get smoked by a
couple of these, but I think we could just snake
this out because of what this is. And that's kind

(24:51):
of my problem. I don't I am not saying the
show isn't deserving of reward of awards. I think it is.
It's so good, but it's just frustrating because it's like
you could hold your own in the drama series. You
should be in the drama series. Point to me, how
this is funny. You have a few funny moments, but
the whole premise of a comedy that you're spending a
majority of the time laughing at this adventures versus being like,

(25:12):
holy shit, this has got me in my fields.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Like yeah, yeah, I me.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
It gets to be in my feels once or twice
this season, whereas the rest of it is also is
just like an awe or like that's you know what
I'm saying, Like it's.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
A different it's a different approach. You're not wrong on that. Uh.
And this this season, the list of nominees for the
Best Comedy Series abbott as you said, the Bear back
in Comedy Hacks. Nobody wants this, which I did not
see and have no interest in seeing, only murders in
the building, shrinking the studio and what we do in

(25:46):
the shadows. In their final season, they kind of got
shut out as well, what we do in the Shadows
for the most part, even though Harvey announced the nominees.
So I don't I mean the I think they're gonna
vote against the Bear this year. And maybe the studio
takes it because because Hollywood loves a series or a
show or a movie that makes fun of itself, Hollywood

(26:10):
loves that ship.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
But the studio.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
But as good as the studio is, I would, I would,
I would let the studio run away with it. I know,
I know you have you you like it, but you
don't feel as strongly as everybody else right well.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
The studio, No, I love it. It's Jeff Snyder who
has a problem with the back half of the show.
I love the show. I think it's cool.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
I thought the back half was even better because then
it's like now you're getting into Now you get into
awards season, and Hollywood goes from being pretentious to win
sanely partious the minute.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Awards get involved.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
That Barnholdts Seen Alone, they take you South, Pristine.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Amazing, But yeah, no, I I think the studio deservedly
should run away with it. Little side stuff really pulling.
I know you mentioned adolescens, and I know you love
the penguin. I'm it's not gonna win, but I'm personally
pulling for Black Mirror. Some of those episodes had me

(27:07):
ready to fight everything like either either like the did
you see the season of Black Mirror?

Speaker 1 (27:13):
I did not know. I did not see this season.
It's not a show that I watched consistently, though I.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Don't know I love it. There there are some standout episodes.
One where Paul Giamoni's character a long lost love has
died and so someone shows up with an ai to
just get some memories from him, and a lot unfolds.
It's it is fascinating, But there's an episode where Sheeta

(27:39):
Jones is in I can't remember the name of the dude,
but he's he was in Bridesmaids.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
He was the cop that was uh yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Kristen Wig. So the two of them are married.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yes, she suddenly has like a brain aneurysm, and the
way to save her is this new tech that essentially
has a subscription service running her body. So at any
point they could start running ads through her. They could
shut her down if he doesn't make payments. So like
that episode had me want to strangle everything. And I

(28:11):
won't say more because you can go and watch it
and see.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
The shit that happens.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
They just went all out this particular season, so I'm
really hoping that they can do it.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
I still need to see the menenda story that the monsters.
I don't know if you saw that one, what you.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Thought, Yeah, it was amazing, but a hard watch, A
really hard watch. Yeah, kind like a hard watch, but
worth it.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yeah, no, for sure.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
So I mean, I'd be very curious to see how
this all plays out, and I think most likely, just
looking at who I'm pulling for, I'm hoping Uzzo gets it,
though I know she did win for Orangees and New Black,
so if there's anybody in that category. Because I like
all of these actresses that that hasn't won yet, then
I'm okay with it.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Just because I didn't watch Nobody Wants This.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I saw an episode or two as my lady was
watching it.

Speaker 3 (29:07):
It's a fun little thing.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
It's not necessarily for me, but it's a fun, kind
of romantic kind of comedy series. But yeah, I mean
we will, We will ultimately see what goes down.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Man.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah. Well yeah, as you said, for sure, So we'll see.
And you know, there's more to look at when you
look at the diversity here, and so you just kind
of hope, Uh well, I guess you can't really, because
it seemed to me this is a signifier that we're
kind of going backwards a little bit.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Now.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
It's gonna and there's gonna be less shows that are
focused on people of color and people from the LGBTQ
plus community because there's such a backlash to that stuff
and not everyone has the guts to just kind of
push through and make the shows they want to make.
And so we'll see how the what the list of
nominees looks like next year is. Don't be surprised if

(29:57):
it's even whiter than it is this year. I just
have a feeling that's probably going to happen, unfortunately, but
we'll see it. Maybe Screen Game season three comes back
and people liked and I liked it, but maybe people
like it and it comes back in terms of nominations,
and maybe some of these other shows come through and
get more nominations. So we will see next.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Year and then My and then my my one by one.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
I think as good as she is, she's a little
bit of a dark horse just because it's a stack category.
I'm really pulling for Janelle James from Abbed Elementary. This
season with Ava in particular, was fucking insane. There was
a lot of times with the character and she brought
some of the funniest shit the show has ever seen.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
So that is my one. I'm really crossing my fingers
for not that.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Uh you know, is it Lisa or Eliza, because I
know she's supposed to with the Z from the Bear Colons.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Eliza, Yeah exactly Liza.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
So I know like Liza. I know that Katherine Hahn
the Studio was fantastic. I know Katherine o'haron the Studio
was hilarious. Oh yeah, and I also love I always
love Shirley Rothanvescal Williams, But I just Janelle James went
to a whole different place this year, So I'm really I.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Think it's I think it's between Janelle and and and
Hannah Einbeinder. I think there is going to be a
pushback on the Bear. I don't know if the Bear
is gonna win anything. I think people are like nominated,
but all the ship we got last year for giving
it awards, maybe we'll kind of not vote for it
for the awards. But I think Janelle is an excellent possibility, man,
because you're right, they like halfway through the season, what

(31:26):
happens to her and how she deals with that is
leads to some amazing comedic moments and some really touching
moments as well that we're surprising for that character.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
So yeah, I agree, absolutely, man.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
And then let alone the I don't know if you
saw the second half of the Abbott Always Send a
crossover which dropped on Yeah season premiere.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
I have not seen the second episode happen, dude.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Because because the one thing that everybody said about the
initial crossover episode, they were like, man, that was really
tame like, I've watched Always Sonny. It's all more than this,
And obviously the reasoning for that is you were on
the ABC right hid friendly version, so the way that
they do the second episode, which is over on Always Sunday,
and they were like, yeah, we thought that they were

(32:12):
kind of bad until we saw the bonus footage of them,
and so that it's all the shit they were doing
behind the scenes, and it goes full Always Sonny and
you have you have all of them, but especially oh
my god, why can I not remember Quentin's characters name?
All of a sudden, Janine Jane just starts saying squear
words I didn't think she do.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
It is amazing, bro.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I'm putting it on the list. Maybe we'll watch it tonight.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
I like that idea.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
I don't. I'm not one of these people that's in
the Always Sunny camp. I've tried it so many times.
It just doesn't work for me. But I loved the
crossover EPs because I've seen enough episodes to know who
those characters are, right, and so now I do want
to see that to see what the dsulting about.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Yes, all right, well.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
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(33:17):
strap in y'all. Well, well, well, winsterday, Marshall. The Epstein
files are causing a Maga civil war here going on
within what was what seemed to be a very strong
coalition of people. Brother, even I'm kind of surprised at
how hard MAGA has been pissed off about the Epstein
files not being released. For those of you're catching up

(33:39):
on this, Attorney General Pam Bondi, they issued a memo
here with Dan Bongino over the FBI and cash Forttel
the CIA like basically saying there is no Epstein list,
we're closing the case on this and we're moving on.
And they did it right before a turning point USA conference,
and then all these people came out there who are

(34:00):
of bibbleheads and the right wing bibbleheads, and they delivered
speeches that were going after Pam Bondie. Laura Lumer called
her Pam I think called her Pam Blondie. Like just
this these derogatory things going after her and Trump, and
it basically feels like they're not releasing this stuff because
He's all over this stuff. So what's your So are

(34:22):
you surprised?

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Mind?

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Is what your reactional is? What do you think about
what's happening here?

Speaker 4 (34:26):
No?

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I I I hate that it took us going this
long for people to finally.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
And it still won't even necessarily do the damn thing.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Because the problem is there's plenty of them that have said, yeah, yeah,
I'm not surprised. I'm pretty sure he is. But whatever
he's doing X y Z for the country, they're able,
they continue to be able to write it off for
whatever agenda that they were pushing hardcore for.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Because like one of the ones that sticks out in
my mind, did you ever watch the show Community of course,
one of my favorites.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
Okay, so you remember Britta at one point being I
may be able to excuse racism, but I draw the
lot of animal cruelty.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
And then Shirley is like, you could excuse racism, that's
that's that's kind of the same shit.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
It's like, I can excuse the racism, but I draw
the line at the fact that my president happened to
be hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein, Like, I still don't think,
because what they're gonna do is to fight over this
for a while. I have not seen proof that this
is enough. He is still unfortunately pseudo teflon don So
there it is weakened the fabric a little bit.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
And if we had fully.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Gone to war with iron with iron Ian, and if
we had if the tariffs do fully tank things, that
it continued to tank them the way they're going, then
maybe you'll see enough people fully make the flip. But
that's the problem is enough things are kind of working out.
I found out today. I don't know if you knew this.
I'm so I shouldn't be surprised, but just how infurious

(35:52):
I have this, how enraged I am with this goddamn
administration and the big beautiful bill.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Did you know that the tax on tips thing last
four to years?

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yep, yep, it has that that's a permanent thing. It
is in a two year situation where they will tax
tips and then they write back to taking your money.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
And there's a cap like if you make more than
I think it's twenty four thousand in tips, you will
be taxed on the rest of it anything over twenty
four thousand, and it has to be a job that
the government approves of you getting a tip for in
order to qualify your tips for no taxes on it.
So but meanwhile, the millionaires got no it was forever.

(36:34):
They got their tax breaks forever. There's no limit, nothing,
you know.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
And what they did.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
The other thing that I found out that's fucking crazy,
the way that they justified some of these tax cuts. Yeah,
they didn't introduce new ones, which then they would have
to deal with the filibuster. They actually took ten year
old tax code that they kind of helped put into
place previously. They're like, we didn't change it. We're just
using an old, cold baby. So that's not a change,
such a reverse to what we were, and so like

(37:03):
it's just to me. I think honestly, obviously Trump doesn't
want the Epstein files out there, but I think there's
a level of kind of dusting this up because the
more you focus on this, which they're never going to
actually release, yeah, you can get the fuck away with
the rest of your bullshit that's going on. Because people
should be furious about this bill passing, because it if

(37:26):
we were off the last week we did we we
we were you know, I was on fum vacation whatnots.
We didn't get a chance. Just this idea of.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
This should only be the thing that people are yelling
about constantly.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Bill.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
The bill is the bill because of how dangerous it
is on a number of different levels. AI what we
said about the types of all of that stuff, right,
And yet if you keep focusing on this thing that
they never are going to actually delivered to you, people
aren't talking about that. They're just gonna slowly start elementing
those things and then things go sideways. During the midterms,

(38:02):
they can go the Democrats are out here ruining everything,
and it's like, bitches from a billy you fucking passed
two years ago.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Fuck you Well, there's so many moving pieces to this.
That's why I try to watch as much as possible,
read as much as possible, because yes, they dropped the
memo on a holiday weekend, trying to bury it and
it got it caught fire, and all of these people
came forward who were upset about all these talking heads.
Dan Bogino over the Bungino over there at the FBI

(38:30):
did not come into work for a couple of days
because he was mad about the fact that he's already
thinking ahead, like he had promised his audience, his fan
base that he was going to push for this stuff
to be released. CNN reported that they he got into
a shouting match with Pam Bondi, Attorney General, over the

(38:50):
release of these files and then not releasing these files.
If you think Pambondy is not doing what Trump tells
her to do, you're insane. She's not going in there
with some dependent thing and be like, you know, maybe
we should release it. Sorry, Donald Trump, No, she is
absolutely adhering to everything he wants her to do about
this stuff. And it's clear. And so Bongino's looking ahead
and got upset. Apparently his cooler heads prevailed and he's

(39:14):
back at work now. But that's the kind of level
of anger that was going on. And initially Charlie Kirk
yesterday was like, well, we're turning the page on this.
I'm done. You know, trust my government friends to release
the information. We're we're not gonna We're not gonna talk
about this anymore. Then today got on his show because
he had such a backlash from his fans for saying that,

(39:35):
and said, well, I meant we were moving on for
the day. We're back to talk about it now. We're
definitely gonna talk about Jeffrey Epstein more. Yeah, because the
a lot of these talking heads, their base, their base
is tied into the Epstein stuff. It is a massive
part of this time.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
That was I mean, I my dad loves to listen to.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Political stuff constantly, So when he's picking us up from
the airport, they were talking about they were like, you know,
is the Epstein the Epstein fuzz? Is this finally the
swell of the bricks of Camel's back the idea that like,
you know, first it was q Andon, and then q
Andon kind of rolled into January sixth, Folk and stop
the steel shit and everything else like that, But then
it kind of rolled into this and now this is
the one. It feels like they both do and don't

(40:18):
have a legitimate grip on. I think they're they're using
it to their advantage to draw attention away from other shit.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
But at the same time.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I think if they're not careful, people are genuinely pissed
about this, right, so like you were setting yourself up
for failure of like, if they continue at this rate,
that they might actually this time flip. But I've never
seen them flip. They keep no matter what. There should
have an infinite number of things that should have flipped
about aready and they haven't.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
So I'm not gonna hold my breath.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
But and and they're already marching out there. People with
talking points, right, I mean, like Megan Kelly today in
her interview, and of course Megan was one of the
people that was like, put your hands up if you
are angry about this, if you want to hear about
the Epstein case and what the files released. Then today
on she did over the weekend and today on a
podcast she said, well, of course Trump is all over

(41:06):
these files. He knew Epstein for fifteen years and no
one believes that. And then she goes, no one believes
he any proclivity for underage girls. No one believes them,
and then she said, well, you know, we should totally
release the files or get the files, and what happened,
So you see that they're already floating out their talking points.
And then Trump today, in an interview with the reporter

(41:29):
before he was getting on a plane or something, said
that it's very clear to him that Obama, Hillary Clinton,
and James Comy wrote the Epstein files, wrote the Epstein files,
and that they're floating out all this stuff to see
which narrative takes hold with their magabase, because a lot
of the MAGA people just need a reason or an

(41:51):
excuse to believe in so they can keep pushing the
nonsense that Trump is actually doing something positive for the country.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Oh god it yeah, I just it's it's it's one
giant clusterfuck done and it doesn't ever seem to go away.
And I think that's the part that's frustrating, is just
every time you think what it feels like is, it
feels like it is why I don't fucking like them.
It feels like a haunted house. So every time you

(42:20):
do this is the exit, whoa like, oh shit, oh no,
that's not the excit, damn it. And then you're like,
there's light baby over here. Every time, every fucking time. Bro.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
But yeah, but we we got to talk about what
you wanted to talk about, because we're not done with
the Trump section of the show. Because at the Club
World Cup this weekend, UH, Donald Trump was asked to
go on the field or he showed up there with
a lot of people in the box UH there with him,

(42:51):
and he showed up on the field to get the
award there with Chelsea, and and then he stayed on
the field. He did not leave the field and celebrated
with the club. And eventually the club itself was trying
to get the head of the Club World Cup, was
trying to get Trump ot Stage Woodley. So what does

(43:11):
Chelsea do? Chelsea photoshop Trump out of their celebration and
then maybe as an fu Trump took the original trophy
home with him, put it in the Oval office and
they had to give a replica trophy to Chelsea as
their trophy for winning this Club World Cup. So even
in a situation like this where it's just like a

(43:32):
presentational thing that you're there or whatever. And I'm sure
this was signaling to the people about the World Cup
that the president cares about the World Cup. But even
in a situation like this, you had to make it
about yourself. You didn't win a damn thing. You didn't
play one damn second for this team. You don't manage
the team, you don't run this team, you don't own
this team. But yet you wanted to be on the
stage celebrating with the winners of the of the tournament

(43:53):
instead of getting off the stage, and then you took
their trophy.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
It's it was already embarrassing that he wouldn't get off
for the photo, like like Jesus, like like like I
love using Trump's own language against us. When we send Trump,
we're not sending our best because every fucking time this
idiot does something stupid, and so like again, no association
with the team. They had you up there because yeah,

(44:18):
the FIFA World Cup is coming to America, Mexico and Canada.
That's why they had you up there in the first place.
And you did your partner move. Bitch, it's not about you,
And that's the problem is that we're dealing with the
most insecure.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Man maybe off the planet.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Oh yeah, and so therefore you start making because in
what world would that be cool if like you were
at the Olympics and they were like, can you help
hand out gold medals? And then you get up on
the number one podium and push the person off, be like, hey, baby,
I did it.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
I'm gonna take this home from me. The fuck is
wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Bro? I clearly have never played soccer once in your life.
You did not earn that. Why do you have the
real trophy? It's not even like it would piss me
off no matter what country team is from.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
But it makes even worse to obviously being from the UK.
It's not even America team, and you took the trophy home.
What is wrong with you? Jesus Christ?

Speaker 1 (45:09):
I know it's so weird and so like. The whole intention,
of course, was to signal to the international soccer community
that's coming that you know, you have a president that
cares about your sport, a president that cares about this
stuff and what you've done that's exactly right.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
And then you're like, well, what's the point of.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
This, Why would I give him a chance to do
any of this? So just to give you guys a
little bit of the of the of the shot here
so you understand what we're talking about. This is the
celebration shot with Trump. Clearly they're in the middle. Clearly
they're celebrating, laughing along as if he played a part
in any of this, which he didn't. And so Chelsea
on its official account, not on some random fan account.

(45:50):
This is their official account. Photo shopped him out, photo
shopped him out.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
God damn, I.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Mean, come on, before, after, before, after, I mean, this
is insane that that this was the path they walked
down with this stuff. It's just so crazy. Yeah, it
feels like an episode of Ted Last a bad one.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
God damn it, dude, It's just so fucking embarrassing that
that's That's the part that I think upsets me is
the idea that this is what's supposed to represent me.
I did not vote for this stupid ship, bro, Like
this is apparently how I'm supposed to be represented by
this asshole.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Okay, draws Trump is Biff tann And and Alex Luthor at
the same time. No, one hundred percent, I like Chris Corkan.
Imagine what he'll do it does during the Olympics. Oh, No,
one hundred percent worried about. I mean, he'll go to
all the gymnastics meets. I bet he's gonna be all
the gymnastics events staring at the ladies there. I guarantee you.

(46:50):
I guarantee you.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
I wonder if Oklahoma City is gonna go.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
I wonder if the thunder are gonna go to the
White House's because I feel like the team itself is
actually very very very like black and don't rock with
him like that, but ownership probably does and it's probably like,
you don't take your ass out there like this, because
like Shaye being Canadian, has been very vocal about how
much Trump can go fuck himself because like all the

(47:13):
threats of work, it's gonna take Canada, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
So, like the players don't necessarily.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Want to do it, but I can see, I could
definitely see owners should be like you're doing it.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah, you know, this is part of it. You want it,
now go, you know, plug your nose and do it.
But then you saw how he treated the American soccer
players that were there, who did not have any idea
they were going to be in the White House. And
was it Timothy Waya who was giving him the side
eye the whole time, which I thought was amazing, And
then they asked him about it later it's like, oh, well,
you know, we had to do that, but you know

(47:45):
we had to do that that's it. It was like, yeah,
there you go, that's not what.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
You want like this, and man, look, I will tell
you know.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
I don't fuck with the Eagles, but yeah, not me
out here being like all of a sudden coming to
Jalen Hurts an Aj Brown fan I want to say
it was Devonte Smith as well, all three of them
being like, nah, I got I got previous, I got
a previous engagement.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
I couldn't schedule it and I couldn't had it on
business exactly because because that then the flip side of
Saquon being like, oh, oh, I mean whatever, maybe I
just respect the office bitch.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Oh yeah, Like all right, broon man, I mean what
a what a I mean, you're flying in his helicopter.
You're acting the fool man, you're acting, and you're being
used by this man for your for his own personal
benefit to placate the black community, and you're allowing yourself
to be used in this way. And that statement afterwards
was just disgraceful.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Just well, the thing that I don't the thing that
I don't love, and I don't know if we're talking
about Robert Griffin.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
I can't remember if we decided we're going to do that.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Oh no, we can do you want to bring it up?

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Why not?

Speaker 1 (48:47):
It's our show man.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Just just just just quickly in the sense of like
it happened again him being in the middle of some
Angel reship. You need to post the photo because the
photo was out there, but it was not as rampant
as your millions upon millions of like reach to repost
a photo. For those that didn't know, it was a
photo for the NBA two K twenty six. Angel Reese

(49:09):
is the female representative for this for this particular game,
and people photoshop the.

Speaker 3 (49:14):
Monkey in the place of her playing basketball.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
An RG three oh RG three decided to repost it
and was condemning it. He was like, this is unacceptable,
we shouldn't be doing this, blah blah blah blah blah.
But you didn't need to repost the photo. Like and
the fact that every single time something comes up, you
all like you are a sports commentator, so I understand that,

(49:38):
but you somehow always end up at the forefront. This
is where people start getting this idea of like, bro,
what the fuck is your problem? Like now you keep
giving every time someone says you're overreacting, and let this
man live live however he wants to live. He calls
himself the milkman. If he wants to do all that shit,
let him live his life. You guys are actually being
racist by not let him live his life. And yet

(49:59):
some he keeps interjecting himself in a way.

Speaker 6 (50:02):
To, yeah, make the allegations worse, like I don't know
if he's just swinging, if he's going like if he's
kicking the tires on a right wing possibility.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
I just don't know the logic.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
And it was always sort of there. You have to, like,
if you take into consideration just the idea of like one,
there's no guarantee that anybody in football, you're gonna tend
to skeew a little more conservative.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Just by nature.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
That's not an automatic given, but just by nature you're
going to arty skew a little bit more. That way,
you have a number of things he has said over
the years and interviews that like stuff will kind of slide.
Rob Parker caught hell for it, but I'm sure you
remember he said is he a brother? Is he a
cornball brother? And they got they were like, that's so racist,
how dare you? Blah blah blah. But then every time
a black issue comes up. He was saying something that

(50:52):
that the only person that is maybe rivaling him for
how how you will call yourself black? You have that
kind of take you out here Coonan only person on
that same level tends to Beatcho who just lost his shot.
So like, right, it's just one of those things where
it feels like, specifically what I keep mentioning whenever we

(51:15):
talk about Kayln Clark and Angel Reaes, when I keep
mentioning that there is this insidious undertone, specifically of this
white girl is showing these blacks and particular towards Angel
because it all started with this. Yeah, he tends to
see that and kind of ride that wave because the

(51:35):
idea of flipping publicity one way or the other, because
he's if he can bring his podcast.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
Yes, listen, the quickest way to achieve consistent fame in
this country is to be a black man of name
spewing out white talking points. And it's just the easiest
way to get an audience and to build millions of followers,
because then you give the white people a chance to
go like, well, I'm not racist. I like him. He's

(52:02):
the black guy saying because he's saying all the ship
that you say, you know, and that's always like you said,
like we've talked about though on Boondogs, right, Uncle Rutckis
I mean that is that is Yes, it's a a caricature,
but the energy of that character. All of us have
seen the energy of that character, and certainly in the
last election cycle Byron Donald's so many of these black

(52:23):
politicians and we're just sitting here caping for Trump's incompetent
ass and spewing out the white talking points that Maga
crafts and puts out there. So you see that one
hundred I'll tell you who doesn't. Who had an issue
with this as well. I don't know if you saw this,
but Shack was not happy, Uh Shack bro.

Speaker 3 (52:43):
And I'm not gonna lie. This is a little weird
for me.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, because of his comments about Angel and them source.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
This is a little weird for me.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
But that's a good point. That's a good point, and
there's all credit tier to off the record.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
R G three tweeting. Tweetling another month, he posts about
my girl injury. Some punch in your fucking face. It's enough,
Like I don't usually do stuff like this, but just
stop it. Bro, you got your job, you got your podcast.
Leave my angeleryes alone. I'm the one calling her and
telling her not to respond. Fucking stop it. That's the
last time. Okay, thank you?

Speaker 1 (53:17):
What's wow? Wow?

Speaker 4 (53:20):
Real hate? We look around, what's going on in this
royal country? That's hate? This is this is sports. I'm
not supposed to like you. It's a shame that all
the stuff you did in your life, you're gonna be
remembered for your podcasts.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
You remember that is that is? That's a takedown, Bro,
that's a takedown, he addressed him.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yeah, all the things you have been known for, Yeah,
Heisman Trophy, number two, overall draft pick, the way you
ended up electrifying your rookie season and then do what
you can in the playoffs, all of that going out
the motherfucking window, and now you're just gonna be known
for you God damn podcast.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
That is rough, Pumpkins man, And Shak doesn't threaten people
like that, Like he said, I don't normally do stuff
like this, Shack, because Shak knows he's a massive man
who could put you through a wall if he wanted to.
So with the RG three stuff, I mean that is
going to be interesting. What if Archie response going to
be because honestly, he could use RG three as a toothpick.

(54:21):
For God's sakes, it just would be scary.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Good.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Well, he was happy to pick fights with with Ryan Clark.
But now now that Shack saying, oh, yeah, I want
to I want to show you this because this this
gift kind of directly talks about what I mean when
I say this is weird. So this tweet right here
says I forgot about that weirdshit, Shack said to Angel. Nevertheless,
this is the situation that gets three bunch of the
face like that.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Definitely. But yeah, that's that. This was. This was back
in twenty twelve.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I will never forget that with Rob parker Man, and
so that was a whole situation having to be dealt with.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
So ah, I mean, we'll see what happens. I mean,
this is the thing. Look, did I like that Angel
rees was selected for it? No, I get why they
did it. I get it. Caitlyn should be on the
front of that cover. I'm never I'm never going to
back away from that, but I understand why you do it.
She is one of the big names in the game
of w NBA so she also may not. She also

(55:21):
may not have agreed to do it.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
What a lot of people don't realize a lot of it.
You have to get your you have to get permissions,
so it's possible. They ask Kaitlin, and Kaitlin is like,
I don't want to stir anything else up. No, I
don't want to be the fa whatever it could be
video games, it could be whatever it is, it could be.
Her management team is like, that's a brand we don't
want to associate with, because again she's just balling. But

(55:44):
the two case, the NBA two K series tends to
be a more black series, like as far as the
demographic that are into it. So it's not to say
that Caitlyn doesn't deserve it, but her team legitimately've been like,
that doesn't feel like a good fit for us. Genuine
don't know. You generally don't know. And if we end
up in a situation where I would say she never ever, ever,

(56:10):
ever ever does it, yeah, I would lean more to
the idea of that, But I would lean more to
the idea of right now based off of everything that's happening. Yea,
her team was already kind of managing her fashion all
last year instead of letting her wear the stuff that
she wanted to wear, and she looked uncomfortable in it.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
And the minute they let her go back to her
stylist and her dressing herself, she looks happy as hell.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
She looks beautiful as elvers trying to put her in
clothes that don't fit her because it feels like people
are trying to mold.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
Her brand very hard, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Yeah, the last person, the last white player to get
on NBA two K was back in twenty two with Luca.
He was the last white player still wearing a Mavericks jersey.
By the way, if you notice that.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
Jersey, I mean, yeah, no, I know, I get it.
I get it.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
Literally in the world of sports man, what do you
think about this news with the Fox whorts One Joy
Taylor is out of a job all of three of
her shows and then was canceled like this was a
culling here and now they're talking about Tony Reality Max Kellerman.
I know people get mad at me when I bring
up race, But the fact that I'm noticing that you're

(57:17):
getting rid of all these black hosts and you're bringing
in white hosts, I just go white male hosts. I
just go, where are we at on this? So do
you think this is something that was coming because they
got rid of that producer that was alleged to have
done all these things that were a sexual harassment, accusations, assault,
and that she allegedly had an affair with and they

(57:39):
got maybe not a fair about a relationship with I
guess they got rid of him. So all these shows
are like maybe part and parcels. So do you think
this was just getting rid of the last remnants of
this producer and all the drama that came with Joy
and everything like this and Accha who had his own
hoof in mouth disease sometimes? Do you think this was
just getting rid of all this stuff and they just
want to start all over again and it just happens

(57:59):
to all so bring more white people back to host
their shows in the sports.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
I think I think.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
This idea that I bring up a lot about we
need to be able to hold water for more than
one issue at a time. We need to be able
to have more than one thought at a time. I
think two things are going on here. I think, Hey,
if you like, I would say that I wasn't watching
the shows in real time, and I wasn't watching the

(58:28):
full shows, but I would watch one or two videos
from each of both The Facility and Speak a Day
on YouTube. But that being said, the numbers for these
shows were not hitting. And if we're people honest, you're right.
And if we're being honest, like looking at like say
The Facility, I like Shady's personality, I like James Jones's personality,

(58:53):
I like Change Jase Daniel's personality. A lot of times
the takes they were giving were ridiculous, either because they
were too into it. So like James Jones defending Aaron
Rodgers to the ends of the earth. If you want
to talk about Aaron Rodgers over the course of a career,
by all means, James Jones, You're absolutely correct. He might
be the most talented person we've ever seen throw the ball.
Maybe there's people that were more successful, but the way

(59:14):
he was doing things, it was nuts. To pretend like
that Aaron Rodgers is the Aaron Rodgers of today is
insane And no matter what the topic came up, he's like,
I just feel like if Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers,
the Steelers going in there, I mean, my time reloxim
so like, I mean, that's Aaron Rodgers like all the time,
that's James Jones, Shady Eagles, everything constantly shitting on a
bunch of different stuff. And then Chase Daniel would have

(59:34):
good takes at times, but then other times would clearly
be blindside about shit. And then Acho likes to kind
of spin wheels a lot of the times, and yeah,
it just it could be a bit of a mess,
especially once we got outside of football, so it just
was not pulling like it needed to. You get over
to speak Speak ended up being like almost.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Like it was.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
That was what Acho, Shady James were all with Joy
on before were they left Joy there. They took Paul
Pierce and Keishaan from Undisputed when that folded put them
on Speak. They kind of had an interesting chemistry. But
you're right, and the lawsuit comes out, So that's the
second like idea. At the same time, the numbers aren't hidden,

(01:00:15):
the chemistry's not popping, and you got an depending lawsuit,
why don't we just throw it all out at once
and start over. Because and I don't every necessarily know
if it's a race thing as much as it's just
this didn't work right, you know, and then we just
got to see what happens there because I Nick Right
survived and Soda Colin cow hurt, and those are the
two shows that have been consistent as far as all

(01:00:38):
of this so far, so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Right, And that may be the thing that you look
at here and look and it's not. I'm in no
way am I saying Max Kellerman and Tony really are
somehow a step down and you're just erasing, you know,
black people so you can bring in middling white guys.
Those guys are very good at what they Wait.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Wait, maybe that's the part. That's the part I missed.
I thought you were just bringing up firings in the past.
They Max Keller and Reality are going to FS one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
I'm just saying they're going. I'm saying they're the ones
that are rumored that they're talking to and looking at
behind the scenes too. That's what I'm saying. Look, I
want to be mad at this, but I agree with you.
I watched those shows. They bored me to fucking tears.
I think Joy's a terrible host, and so to me,
I'm not sad about this in any way, shape or form,
but in one sense, I am because these are people

(01:01:24):
of colors, black people getting a chance to be talking
heads on television. There's not a lot of that. Fox
was really great at doing that initially or through this
the last few years. Now you're moving them out to
bring the white guys in. But those guys are great,
and I love those guys, so I can't really be
that upset about it. And now I'm actually excited to
watch and see what these guys have to say about
stuff because I'm miss Kellerman like crazy, and it says something.

(01:01:48):
He's one of those rare people that never sucked stephen
A Smith's dick, like he totally told it like it is,
put him on blast when it was necessary, and it
got him fired because steven A can't handle being contradicted.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
The way he would.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
It was it was like watching boxing and then stephen
A is that boxer that talks the most shit in
the pregame and and all that stuff, And I bring
up the boxing because that is the specialty of Max's.
And then Max will come in all the talk about
and then all of a sudden, steven A wait a minute,
like it just Max was was on a different stratosphere man,

(01:02:27):
And so around the Horn going down was one of
the saddest things ever. If you can agree, take this
moment where people are still upset about around the Horn
being done, and get Tony into a new show Max,
who's been doing his own thing, getting Max into a situation.
I really think you can build something special at this
particular moment.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Man, Yeah, I like what Aaron Kirby says to Winston Broca.
According to treell Owens, Max Max Kellibern is more black
than Steven A. Smith, so he gets a pass.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
I remember, I remember, I will never forget that episode
and how Max was, like.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
You would a goddamn he was so mad, he was
so mad.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Bro yeah too to Max, Max is blacker than you, Steven. Yeah,
exactly exactly. And look, obviously I can't appie on that.
I you know, but I think I think Max would
be out there. But you know, Max is clearly the
guy that a lot of people are How can I
say this? He unsettles a lot of people in the

(01:03:28):
space because Max doesn't pull bunches and he's smart as fuck,
and that really unsettles because listen, a lot of people
work in the sports space, maybe not that smart. Max's
whip smart and it unsettles, that makes them unconfident and
they're nervous and they want to get rid of him,
and that's what's happened.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yeah, I think the two sides of the same coin
of Max is Nick Right. I think Nick Wright sometimes
gets a little underestimation just because of how he will
very aggressively like say things that like to anybody that
is more liberal progressive would be like, yeah, that's correct,
and they at first when they hear it, they go

(01:04:06):
he signed with the way to hey, like, so they
get surprised by Nick.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
Right at times.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
But Nick and Max are too cut from a similar cloth.
So I think you would really be buildings of the sea.
But it would also be interesting because you would be
getting a lot of these progressive thoughts on dudes that
love black people and people of various racism will stand
up and fight for them. Yeah, but then they're white,
So then they look at them and they're just be

(01:04:33):
like you somehow.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
Would appease everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:37):
What I'm saying by putting them in is because they're.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
But like you said, people react to Nick Right, like
like Guy Gardner and Superman, the one to the what
they do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
To the what exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
One last thing, speaking of Superman, what do you think
about this? These box office battles that are going on here?
People are going online here Wins today about Superman's box office,
and some people are like, it's amazing, It's the greatest
thing ever, and other people like it's a flop. It's
a flop. I mean, do people just need Yeah, some
people are saying it's already a flop because it's doing
less than Man of Steel, It's doing less than La

(01:05:12):
La la. Do they do these people just need something
to be battling about, Like why can't we just wait
a couple of weeks and see how the box office
plays out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
It's just surprising to me because that's just unfortunately that's
the era we d like, the era that we're in.
Like I I can't fully get into it at this
particular moment, but I did share with you via text
a particular somebody that I guess is a particular golf
buddy of a particular other somebody Dallas. Yeah, and some

(01:05:44):
of the things that were said. I was like, do
you do you know the era that we're in? Like,
like you got you're getting talked at it in a
particular way.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
I'm not saying it's correct. I'm saying it's absolutely wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
What's like, the only thing I will say is this,
this particular person, without getting into it right now, has
gotten a number of death threats for a decision they
made in the public eye. This then person, on top
of that, I don't agree, deserves to have that happen.

Speaker 3 (01:06:08):
That's ridiculous. Nobody does.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
But again, how are you surprised at that's something that
could have happened considering this is twenty twenty five. People
Simone Biles got death threats because she said I have
the twisties. If I go try and do this right now,
I might kill myself. And people are like, well then
you should die, bitch, Like that's that is the era
that we're in. So like, it's just wild to me
that people wouldn't know that, And so it kind of

(01:06:31):
falls in the same vein here man, Like people are
going to make it a big nothing burger because the
more you can kiss people off, they want to come
click and respond to you. You get your little pennies
on the dollar from Twitter or from your YouTube videos
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Because you were the one that was like I told
you super woke is super broke, and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
Then all of a sudden you're whatever, like that is
what it has to be, and in the same breath,
because people want to defend the things that they like
or the things that they represent, or whatever it may be.
When you're dealing with irrational motherfuckers like that, you're not
calling balls and strikes. You're just being like, no, it's not.
It's the greatest that it's ever been. Right, Was Superman

(01:07:12):
that great box office wise?

Speaker 3 (01:07:14):
No? But was it bad? No?

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
It was actually very good. Wasn't less than Man of Steel? Sure,
but we have a long summer you already had. You
have a Jurassic World out there. What was out during
Man of Steel? Because I don't feel like there was much.
Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know least date June fourteenth,
twenty thirteen. Okay, June twenty thirteen.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Movies.

Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
Let's see Monsters, University, The Internship, the Purge, World War Z.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
This is the end. None of these are in the
same category.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
So you're not even remotely having After Earth that was
supposedly the one movie that maybe was gonna do it
because Will Smith and sci fi didn't have the same competition.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
You have right now, So they're not even one for ones.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
What the market is with movie theaters aren't the same
like it's but we have to compare it because this
idea of you got rid of the Snider verse. Okay,
well it's gonna better, it's gonna be worse, So we're
just gonna keep doing the same merry around over and
over again.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Man fascinating year, right, I mean look yeah, because I
mean maw Steel right June fourteenth, Man of Steel. Then
after that it's Monsters University. The next week World War Z,
which people thought was gonna be big. Then you have
White House Down, which is hilarious. The Channing Tatum went
with Jamie Fox later on that month. Then it's Despicable
Me Too. Then it's Lone Ranger, which was supposed to

(01:08:33):
be a massive hit and absolutely tanked at the box office.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
So end of iron Man because Ironman had been out
since May third, So it's not even Iron Man that's
given you any sort of and like you said, One Ranger,
none of these are are correctly giving you competition right now.
So when you're looking at excuse me, when you're looking
at twenty thirteen, the other movies that are sort of

(01:08:57):
still in theaters looking at this g I Joe Retaliation,
which are din do very well? That was in March.
Terrible Olympics, that was in March. I'm just trying to
think what else, Like, you know what I'm saying. This
is all so I think we just need to give
it time. I think we truly just need to give
this time and let's see what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
I just don't understand because once again, it's another it's
another franchise that is supposedly about being kind, being good,
being caring, and yet here we are the fan base
is like battling over the box office. And someone said this.
I thought it was a really great comment. Yeah, James Robinson,
I've never seen so many instant box office experts in

(01:09:38):
my life. Yeah, it's so frustrating.

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
Just let it play out, God box everybody all of
a sudden.

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Yeah, I know, it's so frustrating.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Anyway, those were the topics I want to talk about.
I know we got to get out of here soon,
so let's get to the questions here. kJ says biggest
Emmy snub of all time mine is Jason Alexander never
winning an Emmy for Seinfeld I think The Wire.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
I think The Wire only.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
Getting combinations and its entire history as a series is
me fucking insane, That's what I would say.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yeah, damn, that's crazy, dude, The Wire. I can't believe
that it never never got anything. That is kind of nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Yeah, just too, Jason alex Wait a minute, Jason Alexander, Oh,
that's the American Comedy Awards. Never mind, it's this is
this is Awards received by Seinfeld. I thought that this
was just the Emmys, and I was like, what are
we talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
But yeah, okay, huh do you have a snub?

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
The Boondocks?

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Oh yeah, I never won anything, Yes, n w A
CP Awards, but yeah. Chris Corcoran says thoughts on Cuomo
running again, how shocking an abuser doesn't get that. No
means no, don't live in New York City. But I
think he and Adams will split the votes. Yeah, this
is I gotta tell you something. I know you, I

(01:11:12):
know you got things to say on this wins and
I'm gonna say real quick, this is such a bitch move.
This is such a bitch move. You got your ass
handed to you. Now you're gonna cry baby, your way
to a third party because you desperately want power. You
don't want what's best for New York City. You only
want what's best for Cuomo and your brother out here
with this stupid show who hid stuff for you allegedly

(01:11:35):
and covered for your ass and your sexual harassment or
assault accusations. I mean, it's disgusting all around. They have
sullied their father's name. They've both of them have sullied
their father's name. And this is such a bitch. Move
your thoughts, you, Winston.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
I just I think my tweet kind of said it all.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
I took a screenshot of him saying he's ring as
an independent, and I was like, it's these lifelong whole
politicians and abusers. Man, this idea of like you tell
them that you're not interested, and they still force themselves
upon you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Here we are. That's a fair point. That's a good
good tweet there, buddy. Uh, fantastic the reputation. Voters don't care.
They'll vote for corruption and make excuses for why it's okay. Yeah. Yeah,
going back to our conversation about the Epstein fasse. Yeah, Uh,
Reggie Brown, what's up? Reggie? His feelings in RG three

(01:12:28):
keeps grifting off Angel rees saying someone in her camp
saying she hates Kate and Clark and talking about someone
make because.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
The other that was the other thing that he did
that I forgot. He says that he has receipts from
somebody in Angels camp that proves that she hates. If
that's the case, Bro, if that's really the case, then
fuck you're trying to play luky, then then drop the receipts.
Then if that's what that is really true, because otherwise,
what you're doing is you're already dragging this young woman

(01:12:55):
through the mud.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
You're already trying to make her the word.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Like, I get that there are certain things that Angel
has done to make herself the bad guy, but you're
making it infinitely worse. So if you're really gonna do this,
then fucking do it and stop with your bullshit, man, Like,
get off of leave her alone.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
It's it's for me. It's complicated because I think Angel
has written a little bit of the stuff with Caitlyn
to her success, talked about Kaitlyn all the time on
her podcast. But there's a there's a thing between competition
between athletes and what RG three is doing, which is
I mean posting that picture and then claiming to be
offended by it. That is beyond ridiculous. Do you know

(01:13:30):
what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Posted, you could just say I saw a very offensive,
like photoshopped version of the NBA two K twenty six cover.
Look do I You don't even need to bring up
Kaitlin Clark. You'd be like, do I think there's another
the other players in the w that maybe are more deserving? Sure,
but that has an excuse racist. You could have said
all of that without having to repost the photo, especially
knowing you are the account that then shared it more

(01:13:52):
than everyone else because of your own platform.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
But like Shack said, man, it's sports.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
They're not all supposed to like each other. They're actually
supposed to kind of hate each other. It's not fun
if Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are best fucking friends
and like, ah.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
You got me on that one, Peyton.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
But it's more like, no, I hate that dude, I'm
gonna fucking win this title. Like that's what we want
to see.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
People forget. Magic and Bird hated each other until they
needed that, until they did that Converse commercial. Go and
watch the documentary. On them. They hated each other people,
and so like Jordan, I mean, I saw Charles Oakley
on a recent episode of one of the podcasts, I
think the one with Doug Christie and stuff, and he's like,
he's just Isaiah. No one like Isaiah and Isaiah Michael.

(01:14:40):
Michael is never gonna like you. You're never gonna get
Chicago back. That's Michael's now, no matter how much you
complain about So, like, there are these grudges that are there. Look,
the Schman own has grudges. For God's sakes, we were
still have a little bright grudges they carry around. So
it's just competition breeds that kind of shit. And so yeah,
I don't have a problem with that. It's someone on
the outside coming in trying to take advantage of that

(01:15:02):
and for themselves, like to make money or if.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
They're doing something that is then actively harming somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
So if Angel Reese was saying and then Kayln Clarks
was life was in danger or vice versa, any any
of that, If that's what's happening, fine, And Asia Wilson
was not robbed for being on the cover. If that's
what we're talking about, Asian Wilson was the cover last year,
literally when her holding up her too bet. So that's
the other thing that pissed me off is that people
were immediate like, why the fuck Angel, There's so many

(01:15:29):
other players that deserve it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
Asia been on the cover, Suprina Nescu been on the cover.
Like literally, all the people they're saying that shouldn't be Angel.

Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Most of them fifth on the cover, Like yeah, And
that's that is where I go back to this idea
of I call bullshit most of the time. When people
were like, I'm just trying to protect women's sports. Whatever
the conversation is about that specifically, whether it's Kaitlin angel Rees,
whether it's trans women, it doesn't matter. They say shit
out that, but they actually don't know facts about shit.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
They just want to harp about the one thing they're
talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
I have my talking point and I'm going to spew
it whether I like it or not. Exactly. Oh, Dancing
Dog six er, Well let me tell you, is it
still up? Oh yeah, I me take it down here. Sorry.
One more here from Hollywood Rules is Love My Boys
Broke and Winston just sending support while laughing at Mike
Franchise's moronic old man Superman rant embarrassing Aloah yeah, I

(01:16:21):
posted Mike Franchise's review Yes for Mike and the Mad Dog.
Mike Franchise's review of Superman. It is eight minutes of
some of the most hilarious takes on that movie. Oh yeah,
that's not Superman. Superman. Lois isn't supposed to save herself.
Superman is supposed to save her.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
This is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
It's hilarious, eight and a half minutes of It's genius.
I love the movie. Watching the drunk uncle confront you
in the corner at the family we needed to tell
you how much they didn't like the Superman movie. That's
what it's like watching that review. It's so much fun.
Jesus Christ, you gotta watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Oh, I'll check it out. Man, that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
If we had if we had more time, I would
play it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
But also also real talk, just just because I decided
to go back and look.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
If people want to be mad about people not being
on the cover, how about the fact that Alan Iverson's
ass was on like every cover for like the first
like five six years. Bro be mad about the fact
that Alison had two K two K one two K
two two K three, two K.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Four aka the ESPN NBA Basketball Edition.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
And then I bet you if I keep going, that
motherfucker was on him more times.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Shaq had it two times. What else, Kobe Bryant's been on.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
There like four times, Michael Jordan been on there like
two three times.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
Come on exactly. All right, let's get to the stream
labs and then we'll roll on out of here. Winston
Dancing Dog sixty says, great show is always John, thank you.
I'm loving how this Epstein stuff is sticking to Trump
like stink on doo doo. Lol. The more he wants
it to go away, the more his base wants the list.
Lousy people making lousy people make lousy presidents. Anyway, midterms

(01:18:02):
people vote, Yeah, Dancing Dog, I think it's a great
point should bring up. But the midterms stuff now, don't
be banking on that shit either, because today Trump came
out and said he is going to registrict and redraw
the Texas map so that the Texas state gets five
more Republican seats that they will take away from Democrats.

(01:18:23):
So he is trying to stack the deck just in
case the midterms fucking because of his terrible policies. Inflation
has already blown up again, and so he is saying
he's going to go into these separate red states and
try to redraw these maps so that they remove Democratic
representatives from Congress and make them GOP strongholds. So this

(01:18:46):
is the thing now that we have to worry about this.
The plans, they're always the gaming the system always and
as we just saw, Supreme Court has been approving all
of their decisions, including the Department of Education, the gutting
of the Department of Education today. So this is some
scary stuff that we're living through. And don't think the
votes are just gonna help us. It's got to be
more than that. So that's my two cents Winston anything.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Yeah, no, and it's got it's gotta be more. And
that that I saw, I saw a great video of
somebody just talking kind of about that. And it needs
to be equal parts voting as it is active resistance.
And I'm not nobody saying I turn to violence, but
the idea of being up your senator's ass about the
big beautiful Bill and other bills and legislation that are
going up, continuing to peaceful protests to call out like

(01:19:30):
bigoted bullshit like it's all of that plus voting. Those
that just vote are not helpful, and those that just
protests and don't try and use the democratic system that's
set into place and actually get you done and not
helpful either.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
You need both, yea Doug developers up Doug. He says,
they there have been crazy a political people who committed
violence in the name of stopping pedophilia, like with pizzagate.
What would stop those people from harming MAGA influence who
support hiding the Epstein files. I watch my back if
I were the ladder well, I think they don't. I
don't know that there would be violence towards the MAGA influencers,

(01:20:02):
necessarily because they're not out in public most of the time.
But I think that's a fair thing to be concerned about.
If you are a MAGA influencer over the Epstein stuff,
will will the MAGA base turn on you at some point?
I sense the backtracking that's going on now from a
number of them since they came out, you know, to

(01:20:24):
try to defend the president is born out of the
fact that their audience is speaking up and telling them
that no, no, we want to find out what's going
on here, and you better fucking do our will you know? Fantastic,
says Tequilas Spillers. I'm arguments with babies talking. Who have

(01:20:44):
a problem with Calo? Oh okay, I'm sorry, I have
an issue with babies talking. I have a problem with
kal El being an illegal alien when I say, imagine
if you wound up with a family where the dat
abuses his wife and kids, what kind of person would
you be? Then it's been quiet since well you versus nurture?
Good point, Yeah, yep, yeah yeah. Matt Thomas, Yeah, Matt

(01:21:08):
Thomas is here, he says, just popping in to say
good ship, Roka, keep doing you, Thank you, Matt, respect
and also to support my whole ass mentor to ll
laugh my ass off. All love to you both. I
hope you all enjoyed your visit to my city in Superman,
Cleveland rocks, hashtag views from Metropolis, your mentor with oh Jesus,

(01:21:30):
there it is there, It is there, It is all right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Living.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Man, New York City, skyscrapers and everything. Doug Developer. ESPN
interviewed coaches, execs, and scouts to rank the top ten
quarterbacks in the lead right now Jaden Daniels is ranking
number five and best in the NFC. Rats Roca, You're
lucky bat.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
You know, but I already know what you're gonna say. Yeah,
and you don't want that because that's I don't want
amount of pressure on this young man. Or then the
next thing, you know, when he doesn't live up to
being the number five quarterback, the number of things that
could just go tits up. And so did he play
fantastic and did he get to old the NFC Championship?
Hell yeah, you want to see the continued growth. So

(01:22:21):
I would rather they put him in the top ten.
But he has top five potential, and let that be
what they say. You know what I'm saying, Like he
had a top ten performance last year, but let's see
if he can do Because I would make the argument,
you could say, maybe in that moment, that person then
is a top five because of the performance they're doing.
But you got to take the whole resume. Yeah, there's

(01:22:42):
a reason why with a lot of stats, they have
a minimum amount of games played or a minimum amount
of years or seasons before they even consider you for
a stat This could have all been a fluke. This
could be a situation where really good game plan, really
we get FC East except for the Eagles, like just
just moments that worked out and then this fall off
or what you're hoping. And honestly, because I enjoy watching

(01:23:04):
him play, he continues to grow when he becomes that dude.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
But this is weird.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
It's weird to already crown him like this because he
didn't win to I field want a title five, but
just getting to the NFC Championship game, as fantastic as
that was, y'all got dog walked by the Eagles, you
know what I'm saying. And in our year, in a
year where you were able to hold your own against them.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
At least someone in the regular season.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Yeah, so now that you got to the playoffs, you
got the shit kicked out of you. So it's just
a little weird to automatically give him that crown.

Speaker 3 (01:23:37):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
I don't disagree with you. And there's been a lot
of people with the team, a lot of new players
coming in. I'm nervous for the season. I just want
him to progress. I don't want a Super Bowl in
the second season. I don't I'm not expecting any of that.
I just want to see progress from the kid and
be excited to see what we're gonna get next. I
don't think he's the number five quarterback in the NFC.

(01:23:58):
I think that's insane. One good year, they're saying the NFL. Yeah,
the NFL, that's nonsense, exactly. Mark Sanchez went to two
AFC championship games. Okay, So I don't want to hear
it until, like this situation is much more. He's much
more seasoned, he's been in league. Well, if he wins

(01:24:19):
the Super Bowl, great, then at that point we're gonna
have a conversation. But at this point, I just want
the kid to progress and grow and learn. I'm not
expecting anything over the next two or three years. But
the thing that bothers me, though Winston dealing with my team,
is the official account of the Commanders is starting to
post more and more Redskins stuff, and that is concerning me.
Like they are they're hinting that they're gonna bring that

(01:24:42):
name back, and I do not want that name back. Uh,
And it would piss me off on so many levels.
If we brought that name back, it would make it
even harder. I would still call them the Washington football team.
I would not call them that other name. So it's
just so frustrating to see that that's a product of
the antide stuff, Like there are some things that we
shouldn't roll back. This is something that we shouldn't roll back.

(01:25:05):
It's so frustrating because he's Hillbillies, can't let go of
the name. It's frustrated.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
I just I think the Yeah, no, I agree, I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
I don't understand why they're doing that, I am, but yeah,
it is what it is. But I but the one
thing I will say real quick with back to the
top ten quarterbacks is and know we got got in
a minute. Yeah, I'm looking at what then six through
ten are. And first of all, I would put either
Stafford or Hurts, and I would probably put Hurts because
Hurts actually won a Super Bowl MVP. Dude, you're talking

(01:25:36):
to two people ahead of Jaden that have made it
to the Big Dance, one of which that just beat
all of the rest of these fucking quarterbacks to go
win the title, right, So I would probably put Jadaen
in about eight maybe nine.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
And I think that that's still respectable.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
I think that there's nothing about that that's wrong, Like
I'll give you one through four because there's MVPs in there.
There are super Bowl winners, or at least super Bowl appearances,
like Burrow may only have the appearance and may have
only been like one play away from winning it. But
the way he's been playing, you throw his numbers in
there too. He deserves to be in that top four.

(01:26:16):
Jade at five is weird to me. I'm sorry, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Disagree with you, brother. I'm looking at it now myself.
I think, yeah, this is a weird list because all
the guys below him are much more experienced than him
and have shown what they can do. Stafford has won
a super Bowl, justin Herbert has been in the league
a while and he has been fantastic, just had shitty coaches.
Now that Harbaugh is there, he's gonna make a lead.

(01:26:39):
Jared Goff. I think Jared Goff is a great regular
season quarterback who chokes in the playoffs whenever he gets in.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
But I don't disagree with that entirely because he made
it to a super Bowl. You had it for a
ridiculous team, but you made it to a super Bowl.
And then on top of that, look what he was
able to do. With the lines with Campbell, you still
needed somebody to drive that ship.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
And I was. I was very hard on Jared Goff.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
You remember all those games, all those game times, all
the Collider Sports times, Bro. I was the hardest on
Jared Goff, And when he got traded, I was like,
well bye. But I'm watching quarterback right now season two,
and Jared Goff is proving all the reasons, like fuck,
dude has earned this.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
He is out here balling and we got to put
respect on his name.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I do, But I would move Jordan Love into the
top ten. There's no way Baker Mayfield is a better
quarterback than Jordan Love. I think it's nonsense. Right now, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Been more consistent the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
The problem with Jordan is Jordan had that fantastic end
of a season that made them with that first year
of him starting where they would give him the money
because they're like, holy crap. But then last year he
was just so he needs to also just prove him
and see the shroud to me or about the same
Echalon where they're like, no, you have really good telling.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
When you're on, you're on, but when you're off, Yeah,
what are you doing? Bro?

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Are you liking that season. Second season, I gotta watch that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
So far, so far, so good. I really I really
like Joe Burrow. I already liked Joe Burrow, and now
I really like Joe Burrow. And now I'm actually starting
to like Jared Goff. I've never been a big Jared
Goff guy, you know this, but this show is making
me like Jared.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Goff better than Hard Knocks did. Hard Knocks was a
rough watch with that Jered Goff on.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
The ring, I know, but he was also young. He
was very young. That's the other thing about it, that
that's the big point. And I see somebody in there
laughing about, like, hey, Jordan Love dismantled Dow. Jeremy Miller's
in there. I'm aware we're not talking about Dallas. We're
specifically talking about the top ten quarterbacks. And I'm saying
Baker Mayfield has won the division what three years in
a row. Now, He's just dominated a division by himself.

(01:28:40):
That deserves all the praise in the world. I have
not seen Jordan Love do that. I saw Jordan Love
loose and Lyons and loose the Vikings still get playoff spots,
but he hasn't been consistent yet, and Baker.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
I want to address this, Joe Can I grew up
twenty five years in Virginia, right by DC, bitch. I
know exactly what's in DC, bitch, and it ain't just
a bunch of guys walking around in suits. Okay, there's
a lot of outlying areas like Alexandria, Arlington. All of
those areas got a lot of hillbillies, a lot of
Southern people with large beer bellies who are mad about

(01:29:13):
the name change and are been crying about it on
social media to change it. So please don't fucking tell
me who the hell is in DC, bro. I know
just as much about more than you about the people
who live around there, So please sit the fuck back
on this one, all right. One last one, Skalskalsi says,
I can't believe and Or Maincast didn't get any nominations.
I agree, brother, Happy for Colin Farrell, Penguin other and

(01:29:36):
Or love though, keep up the great work, guys. I
appreciate it. Thank you so much, man, thank you so much.
And then Louis Luis Soria Ramirez about one hour behind,
just sending some love. Viva la Rasa Holmes, respect, respect,
all right, with let's get out of here, we get
that hour and a half mark anything oh that let
people know where they can find you. An anti guy

(01:29:57):
going on brother Man, Promote, Promote, Promote.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Absolutely you can find me at the Swaggy Blurd on
all platforms. I am here checking on my dad. This
has been some you know, some health stuff and some
personal stuff going on. So I'll be down here for
the next couple of days. I will be back home
in time on Friday for capes and cast. However, I
am editing my video right now. I'm hoping to have
it out on Thursday. If it doesn't come out Thursday,

(01:30:23):
I will keep you updated. It'll come out on Friday.
It just depends on how much I'm doing with my
dad Tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
It will be my.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
Theory of how I think the Fantastic Four movie is
going to go. I've compiled some evidence both from the
comics in from the movies where I think they're going
to put this movie. So if you want to come
and see how my crazy brain works and as I
break it all down for you, it'll be a good time.
Very in the vein of the you know who I
thought was on Sam Wilson seems so if you enjoyed
that humor, if you enjoyed that kind of pacing, it'll
be more of that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
So come check that out.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
And then when I get home, I will probably get
out with my that tomorrow night. So when I get home,
I'll be back streaming again. And finally, sorry, the on Sunday.
Uh yeah, we're gonna be watching Blazing Saddles. So if
you want to come and watch Blazing Saddles with me,
check out my patron of my memberships and you can
do all.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
That what time, because I'm gonna do a live stream
at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:17):
Choking you son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:31:20):
Now you're gonna tell you, You're gonna tell you. I
tell you. I only saw you come in the chatl
later after I was watching the play, I was like,
oh shit, I didn't even know he was live. I live,
and I don't even think it's all good.

Speaker 3 (01:31:34):
It's all good. It was actually hilarious because we went
in there front.

Speaker 2 (01:31:37):
Because Joseph Ashley goes ship you Rocks and air Rogar
all on at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
I was like, motherfucker's on my territory, on my turf
and I went in there. I was like, bro, you
did you do it? And then I left after like
a minute.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
I even I actually showed your show on my show.
I was like, this gives me a copyright strike.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
I'm a fighter. I swear to God, I'm just promoting
his ship. I have a fighter. He gives me a strike.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
I appreciate it. I know I would never I just
thought it was so funny. When I was going back
through the check so looking for shorts, I saw your
thing on it. It was like, oh hit so yeah.
But anyway, that's fun time, fun times. Brother. As for
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(01:32:42):
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