Ryan Reynolds Teases Deadpool in Upcoming Avengers Movies!

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
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And Winston, let's just kick it off, Manx.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
We don't have a lot of time on the show
to let's do it right off the bat.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Let's get into this story here.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
What is happening with this post here on Instagram from
Ryan Reynolds is the mark with the mouth finally joining
the Avengers?

Speaker 4 (02:34):
You know?

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Ryn Renolds shared this on his Instagram.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
He didn't include any kind of caption because that's the
kind of guy he is to get people's tongues wagging.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
And certainly we're covering it here on the show.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
But the photo you can see that it is almost
the symbol there of anarchy over the Avengers.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
And so what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
And Reynolds has been posting the posting an Avenger dot
comment is filming is undergoing underway right now for Avengers
doomsday speculation, then he could be preparing to announce his
involvement in the movie is running rampant now and a
lot of people.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
Are excited about this.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
But he did say that he'd never wanted Deadpool to
necessarily join the Avengers or join the big teams that
are there in Marvel, because why give him what he
wants his wish fulfillment? He doesn't he shouldn't have that.
So what do you think about this? Is this hime
teasing that he's going to be a part of the
Avengers Doomsday movie or Avengers Secret Wars or is this

(03:27):
just a little fun that he's having with everybody.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
I honestly could go anyway. I think it's smart for,
you know, Marvel, to let this happen, just in the
sense that even though Fantastic four has done well, it
hasn't done the Gangbusters they were maybe hoping for. Yes,
I think this just gives you just more positive pr

(03:52):
to do that, and I especially from a character that
everybody genuinely loves. I think on top of that, we
needed to kind of wait for the lively Baldoni stuff
to die off. Yeah, before you try and get Ryan involved,
just especially from the standpoint of like his movie was

(04:13):
caught up in the lawsuit about the idea that Nice
Pool is supposed to be a spoof on Baldoni, which
if that's the case, I'm gonna be honest with you
that's genuinely hilarious. I don't. I don't. I don't look
at that and go, Wow, that's so mean. I go,
you got roasted, bro you got roasted work because like
nothing that was said in there was I would have

(04:34):
had zero idea until it was brought up in the lawsuit,
right case for most people. So that's almost one of
those things where you like rat it on yourself, you
know what I'm saying. So, like all that being said,
I think I genuinely think that this was just a
if if it is true, I think it's just good
timing to get people re amped up about what's going on,

(04:56):
because because you had that in Spider Man, like you've
had the little feature at already for day one and yeah,
that looked really good too. So you're just you're just
putting out good press for your stuff.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
I think that's what this is all about. And you
touched on it and you're in the first part of
your comments. Marvel is taking it on the chin on
Fantastic four. I don't care how they spin it. I
don't care that well, we're gonna sell toys and we're
gonna sell this to that, and that's gonna offset the
box office. That's totally fine, and sure the financial picture
of Marvel is you have to you know, vector in
everything if to get the result of what a film

(05:29):
like that's release brought into your coffers. But I get that,
but looking at it as the film and it's box office,
it is a disappointment, and Marvel, I think, is a
little bit scared about how people are receiving their movies.
Three movies in a row now that have either underperformed
or flopped, and you get a conversation now like, well,
even when we do a good movie like Fantastic Four,

(05:50):
people still come out, don't don't come out?

Speaker 3 (05:52):
What do we do here?

Speaker 2 (05:53):
So I think there is an effort there behind the
scenes going to all their people, going like, can we
get some positive energy back around the Marvel brand because
we all benefit from positive energy around the Marvel brand.
So yes, as you said, the Spider Man brand new
Day feature, Rett, all kinds of news dropping. Sadie sinks
first Day is apparently on set today or tomorrow. So
you got those that news dropping. You've got the practical

(06:16):
effects being used here with the swinging and the web crawling, all.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Of that to get people excited for Spider Man brand
New Day.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
And oh, by the way, here's Ryan Reynolds dropping a
little cryptic post there to get tongues wagging and get
people excited.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Because the last film that did well in.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
The Marvel universe was Deadpool Wolverine to the tune of
over a billion.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Dollars, so why not add his cachet.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
And this also shows I think the kind of power
Ryan Reynolds has in Marvel right now that he is
just they used his personal account to put that logo
on there.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
He is Deadpool is owned by Marvel, by the MCU.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Now with the sale, they don't have to go through
Ryan reynolds social media, but the fact that they did
go through Ryan reynolds social media the kind of power
that Ryan Reynolds is wielding around Marvel still because of
the success of Deadpool and Wolverine, and so they want
that that success to kind of rub off on the
future Marvel films that are coming. And Ryana said he
only wants to if he comes back, it's going to

(07:14):
be in someone else's movie. If you want actors on
actors with Andrew Garfin, So yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
I mean I will, I will push back a baby
bit on the idea that Fantastic four spells trouble. I
think what really needs to happen is people need to
take a step back and really reevaluate what box offices are.
Now there's there's like if you look at the ones
that crossed a billion, they were full blown event situations.
They were typically tied to well known or already successful

(07:43):
IP and on top of that, they all were legacy
stuff with rare exception. So Oppenheimer I counted as a billion.
It was close enough. That's its own thing. But that's
Christopher Nolan's kind of crazy. It was supposed to be
like his magnum opus. So yeah, checks out Barbie massive
IP obviously on its own, we've never seen a Barbie movie.

(08:03):
The marketing on that was a one better than I've
seen in a lot of other places. And how that
went and you were able to pull that off before
the strike, but you really tapped into an audience that
wasn't like. The funny thing is is seeing the market
share for both sports in for media, yeah, and how
a lot of times they are not catered to the
way that they should be. And the minute you did,
you busted out a billion dollar movie. Most of the

(08:25):
other ones that hit a billion kids movies. So you're
talking Leeloch, You're talking two Super Mario brothers. You're gonna
almost always win with kids movies. Hell, like even How
to Turn Your Dragon, which is almost a shot for
shot remake of the animated one ye gang Busters, just

(08:46):
by the nature of being a kids movie like that,
like a family movie. So I think we really need
to take a hard look at it and stop immediately
jumping to this as a failure. Now, mind you, if
they're putting out half a billion dollar budgets and pulling
half a billion, then you really need to take a
look because that means you did lose money. But in
this case, if I remember correctly, the budget here was

(09:08):
like was about two and you're sitting at about half
a billion, and we know that a large amount of
the marketing was actually be able to be written off
because they did a lot of collabse and a lot
of product placement stuff and whatnot. It's not going to
immediately fix everything, but I think you just the fact
that people still showed up and it's about to cross

(09:30):
the half billion dollar marker. I don't think that that
or Superman is nearly as bad as people like to
make it out to be. Just because we do not
live in the print billion dollar checks anymore, that does it.
That's not a thing that exists aoring a few exceptions,
because I would even say, I look at the other
exceptions are Avatar, but that is one of the most

(09:51):
rabid fan bases I've ever seen. So that's a different thing.
You can't count Spider Man because we really hadn't been
for the most part back in theaters. That was a
twenty plus your culmination of everything of Toby, Andrew and
Tom and all their villains and and all of that,
so that was in its own kind of stratosphere. And
then Top Gun once again. You you went and reached

(10:14):
back to a thirty year sequel and it was a
good movie, so you needed to do that as well.
But you really tapped into something special of every son
wanted to go see that with their dad or vice versa.
Like everybody saw it, but like you specifically hit that
nail on the head as far as that goes. So yeah,
I'm not surprised. I like ravenew World makes sense because

(10:36):
I don't think it was very good. Thunderbolts and fantastic
for first steps. I'm a little surprised because they're good,
but not so much as long as the lesson is learned.
We don't live in the same world. Marvel's in trouble
if we get to these Avengers movies and they're not
pushing a billion, that's a problem, especially know what the
price heg is to make.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
These movies right box office wise? Yeah, but I mean,
but I think that's why. I think you can look
at the pattern that's emerging here and start to be
worried about the Avengers films and start to be worried
about Spider Man brand New Day, And I think that's
why Marvel is doing these kinds of things to get
people excited again about their successful characters. Spider Man, Avengers, Deadpool.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
These are the things that they're doing.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
It feels like a concerted effort to get people excited
again about the Marvel.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Brand because you might look.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
I take your point, certainly, the idea of box office
and what is an actual success.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
I saw an article today is eight hundred million the
new billion.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Is that how we should be quantifying things now going
forward post COVID certainly fair commentaries to make in the
analysis of it all, and we never really get the
full numbers from the studios, the actual numbers whenever, unless
you're shooting your film in London or England rather where
you're supposed to tell them what the actual stuff they
think so they can check it.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
It doesn't happen in America.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
So you get what you think the numbers are, and
you look at the marketing and all that kind of stuff.
But so you look at it, but I it is.
It is fine, but it is not what I think
they wanted it to do. And I think where the
issues of a little bit of concern come in when
you're looking at the future of Marvel right now.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Real good to that point. I mean, look, I every
day would would hope that I wake up and I
run into Florence Pugh and she's like, Yo, you cute
you and your girl come with me. Like, but if
that doesn't happen, and I just have a good day,
you know what I'm saying. I make some money, I
have a good meal, like you know, me and my
girl like watch something funny. I still consider that a success.
I think the main reason I keep saying that you

(12:26):
really have to look at what actually hit a billion
and what didn't in the last couple of years. There
are key elements to it that that that you.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Can't go into a billion. I'm not going to a billion.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
I think seven hundred to eight hundred was what they
wanted Fantastic four to do. I pruly believe that, and
I think I don't the billion.

Speaker 3 (12:43):
I didn't never.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
I never thought they were going to get a billion,
But certainly seven eight hundred is what I think they wanted.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
And and and that's fair. I would also throw out
there that this is a problem by Studio Zone doing
because they again have retrained audiences. You've given them like
kind of a Pavlovian response to I just have to
wait forty five days and it'll be on streaming. That
that was a choice that studios made. And so why

(13:10):
are you surprised that your box offices went down across
the board. Yeah, Like there is no run, especially if
you like, like for example, like I heard Megan two
was trash, but I bet it would have had a
slightly longer life if it wasn't immediately rushed out. People
would just be like, I'm bored, I'll go see it whatever.
But if a movie is bad or mid or whatever,
and you're telling me it'll show up on Peacock or

(13:32):
a Paramount Plus or HBO Max within forty five d
Why why am I rushing to the theater? That's that's
that that adds up. If you're not an a list
person or you don't have an AMC to do something
like that with, then you pick and choose your battles
and so that's it doesn't make logical sense for them
to do that, But then they also have to deal
with the consequences of their actions.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
But you want, you want people to be excited for
your film so that they don't wait for it for
forty five days like you saw with Drassic World Rebirth.
You know, whatever your feelings are about the quality of
that film, and I don't think it's great quality, but
like for whatever reason, people gravitated to it and saw
it to the tune that's over eight hundred million dollars
now that film and so and I hear you about

(14:14):
the installments, I hear you about the kids stuff, but
I also think that there is there is an appeal
factor here that that you have to factor into the
whole situation. Is that's what gets people off their asses
to go to the movie is like the feeling like, well,
everyone else is seeing it, I gotta see it so
I can be part of the conversation.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
But that wouldn't happen with Fantastic Four. No, I understand it.
They wanted it to.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
I understand. It doesn't help that. I don't think anybody
thought that weapons would do that strongly out the gate.
I think that that that cutting into your weekend three
like that is not fantastic no pun intended. But I
think we also need to take into consideration specifically, why say,
for example, that it's an impossible Jurassic World actually did well.
Jurassic World Rebirth. I will give it. I will give

(14:59):
it props for being the fourth highest domestic gross but
it was beat out by Superman to first of all,
so like anybody that wants to poo poo on Superman, like,
there's that, then Lelo and Stitch and Minecraft Movie, and
immediately below it centers domestically, domestically I'm talking specifically domestically,
then Sinners immediately under, and then How to Train Your
Dragon and then Fantastic Four. So like the main thing,

(15:21):
the reason why Jurassic World Rebrother is at eight hundred
is because they did almost half a half a billion
dollars internationally. So that's that that that that is, which
I under I understand, I totally understand. But we also
know that a China's pretty pissed off with us in
the first place, so they've decided they're going to stop
prioritizing American movies and that's why Ningza has blown everything

(15:42):
out of the water as far as actual box office
goes with NINGSA two. But that is similar to the
fast movies. There is something very specific about Jurassic World
that around the world people forge on go dinosils. Even
if it is dog shit, which it is, it's not good,
like you know what I mean. Like that's so that's

(16:04):
that's the only thing is it's it's It is equally
as important to look at what the domestic pull is
and what you're doing for American audiences and then make
an adjustment to see how you're faring internationally at this
point because that has shifted, that genuinely is not what
it used to be. And that's kind of important to
keep in mind as far as what we're going to

(16:25):
do going forward. You know, yeah, and I hear you,
I just don't I don't see it.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
People make the delineation being domestic and international, and I
don't see that delineation.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
It's a global box office.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
And so if you if you want to split hairs
and go, well, we did great domestically and we did
not do great internationally.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
That is an issue.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
What is it about internationally that's not appealing about your
movie that you're not getting across to the way that
The Drastic World did or whatever. I'm like, because sure,
because this Fantastic Four is yes, it's they're American superheroes,
but they're really the whole film is about them taking
care of the entire planet, irrelevant of countries they're they're

(17:04):
based out of what their version of America is you
imagine in at Earth eight to eight, but it ain't
necessarily an American connected hero like Superman.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I can.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
I don't believe it, but I hear the argument about
Superman and the international stuff and how this current administration
and whether people want I still think people love America
and they love things about America, and they don't see
they don't go, oh, Superman is Trump. I don't think
they make that correlation to the numbers that people think
they make that correlation to, but there's no way to
quantify that one way or the other.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
But I hear the logic, I don't necessarily agree with it.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
I mean, the only reason I would push back just
a little bit though, is just from the standpoint of
universally here in the States, it has been deemed that
Centers is a classic, that it that it did Gangbusters,
it did eighty seven million overseas, right, And that has
to do with a number of things that we've seen
in the past of the fact that black folk, especially
in places like China because of racism, don't even like

(18:00):
they they're not interested, They're just they're said, like the
fact that you did Star Wars and you took Finn
off the poster because you were like, well, we know
they're not gonna rock with black folks, so we're just
gonna take them off here. So I'm saying there there
is something to be said totally that I think specifically,
we just need to be able to understand that the
market has changed domestically, it's changed internationally, and that means

(18:23):
your worldwide box office is not going to be what
it was in the past. This is the longer. It's funny,
it seems weird that bringing politics and have anything to
do with it. It's not even necessarily Oh I see
Trump in Superman, but the idea of China's pissed off
and like you stop putting terrorists on his asshole and
they're like, fine, we're just not gonna see your movie.
We love things out, we'll see it again. Like there's

(18:44):
no reason not to just do something like that. So right,
that's that's all well.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
And there's also with Sinners, you know, that gets into
the complexity of do Africans care about Black Americans experience
in America? Do Haitians care? Like it becomes that kind
of do British black people care about American black culture?
Like there's that cool of thing. So it becomes even
more when you look at it becomes even more delineated
when you look at it in context. But I hear

(19:09):
you on the Center's argument for sure, because I think
that film is extraordinary. Regardless of whether it did well
internationally or and did better domestically, it's irrelevant to me.
The film itself, quality wise, is a great film.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
So like, literally the two best performing countries outside of
the US was the UK at three million three point
two million, and France. Oh sorry, that's the opening. The gross,
the gross in the UK twenty one million, yeah, France,
eight million, three point two in Germany, one point four
in Italy, two point nine in Netherlands, one point nine

(19:42):
in Saudi Arabia, two point seven in Spain. But like,
it just didn't do well in a lot of other places,
like it's kind of tanked in Hong Kong, India, South Korea, Vietnam.
But again that you then have to take a look
and see, yeah, how people are perceiving the content. The
stars like they turn.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
That around and go like, look at how many Asian
movies they get released here don't do well? Is there
racism towards Asian movies by American audiences?

Speaker 3 (20:11):
You can also make that claim.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yes, there's the occasional one that comes over and blows up,
but there are a lot of Asian films that get
released in theaters that nobody goes to see and don't
make money. And you go, well, is there a racism
factor there as well? So you wonder about that? Is
it about racism? Is it about taste? Is about an appeal?
So there's so much little I would argue.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
A little of everything because part of the answer I
would say there is I don't see a lot of
marketing for these Chinese movies everyere, like with with rare
exception like Parasite blew up because of the like it
was a darling and then everybody went to see it
was like, oh my god, this is incredible, and then
it won Oscars. If they're not being marketed, that's that's
one thing. And we know for a fact that they're

(20:51):
not properly marketing a lot of black movies in China
because of how people feel about it. So that's the
only thing that I would say is like there's at
least some evidence that they're not even necessarily trying over
there because they know people are not gonna respond to it.
I think here it would just because like I think
back in the day, the number of like Jackie Chan
Jetly movies that would come here and do fantastically well.

(21:14):
It doesn't need to all be martial art shit, That's
not what I'm implying, But I am saying there was
a push of certain things or certain stars out here
that would help kind of elevate that. Yeah, And so
then part of it is like if you're not marketing it,
then how are you gonna do? Yeah, we'll see, Yeah,
we'll see.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
So but we started out talking about Darren oh O'didpool
rather than Ryan Reynolds, and we'll I think he will
show up. I mean, I can't imagine he wouldn't show up,
but you're probably right. And to kind of like quiet
to Justin Baldoni stuff a little bit that because that
case goes up in March, Like, we're actually around the
corner from that case happening just six seven months away,

(21:48):
So are they going to settle that thing before it
goes out there? And maybe this is part of the
move that there's talks going on about settling this thing
and then Ryan can start doing his promotion or whatever,
because yeah, I'm sure he wants to bring Deadpool back,
maybe not in a full movie, but certainly as a
as a recurring character. And I do think they need
that sarcastic energy because no one else has it. And
if Tony Stark is going to be Doom, He's not

(22:11):
gonna be the snarky kind of comedic element that you need.
Right bringing in someone like Ryan Reynolds Deadpool can fill
that void a little bit, not quite the same, but
can fill it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I'll tell you this right now. If he does, I'm
gonna be furious. It better not be. It better not
if specifically, if Robert Downey Junior comes in, I should
have clarified because he is very general. If he comes
in and starts cracking jokes as Dune, I'm generally gonna
be pissed, like there should. The only time that should
happen is if he's trying to pass off for Tony
Stark temporarily. Oh yeah, right, fine, but that better not

(22:44):
be the core at the character, because that's just not
who Doom is.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
I know.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
It's just genuinely not like if anything, Doom at times
is funny because he really is the straight man. He's
so mad about everything and that I'm the one that
can fix shit. He can't be cracking jokes. He needs
to be funny because yeah, he said something stupid like
and like or something very egotistical and and something like that.

(23:08):
Not not because he's trying to be snarky. That's that
would be crappy for sure. For sure, I agree with
that one. You don't want a snarky Doom. All right, Well,
let's move on to another story. What else do we
what else that I have on the list here? Winston?

Speaker 3 (23:23):
What are you feeling right now? What do you want
to talk about next?

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Man? Yeah, we did have a lot to get on.
I mean we can talk about I'll talk about the
football stuff because there's a lot of football stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Okay, all right, well let me hit one more entertainment
thing and then we'll swing in the football stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
How about this?

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Did you guys hear this about Will Smith and about
Alan Tunneck who sadly his Resident Alien series was canceled recently,
which I was sad about because I liked that show.
But he was talking about I Robot. If you guys
remember I Robot from a few years ago. He said
he was on Tuned In with Jim Cummings, who was

(24:02):
the voice of Winnie the Pooh. Tutics said that they
were doing test audiences with the movie and they score
the characters. And I got word back that Alan, you're
testing higher than Will Smith. And he said this a
couple weeks ago, and then I was gone.

Speaker 3 (24:16):
I was gone. There was no publicity and my name
was not mentioned. I was so shocked.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
I was like, but wait, nobody's going to know that
I play the Robot and he does play Sonny in
the film, and apparently this was the way this went down.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
So what do you think about this?

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Is this a Will Smith throwing his weight around type
of thing, or is this the studio going Listen, we
don't need Will Smith to be eclipsed here. Alan Tonik
is not selling this movie. It should be Will Smith
selling this movie.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
What do you think about this? I think the thing
that makes me sad is the longer we go along.
And I've been in this industry. I've just heard a
lot of different things about Will It really can be yeah,
jackal or Hyde one way or the other where he
can be the kindest, nicest person possible, but then he
can also be greade a movie star ass Like I've

(25:03):
literally heard both. And if you go and look at
a lot of the movie choices he made, he was
mister box office. I'll give him credit the number of
movies he passed up because he was like, oh, that's
not the main character. I'm good on that. Yeah, like
it was supposed to be in the Matrix. Nah, bro,
I'm good on that. I don't know, I don't do
all that was and what ended up doing Wildball Weston said,

(25:24):
I believe yeah, you know, was supposed to be in
God what was the other one? A django? But he
felt the Django wasn't about Django. It was about uh
save False's character, No Chris character, uh doctor and the
Matrix right, same thing. He thought it was about Morpheus,
not Neo. He thought that was about doctor Schultz. He

(25:46):
passed on both of those. And look at those mega
hits that those were, Yeah, and and the you know,
the award acclaim and stuff like that. There have been
a lot of stuff that has come out over the
years that like he can kind of be that dude.
So in the same way the Rock can't lose a
fight and Vin Diesel can't lose the fight, have the
same it's kind of the same thing. So I'm not surprised.
But this especially because even though Alan Tudick is a
fantastic character actors, one of my favorite actors ever, is

(26:09):
you're dealing with an A list A list name. Yeah,
and if he decides he doesn't want you on the thing,
and then you don't get on the things, that's it.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
That's it. If you're in the in the way, you
got to get moved out of the way.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
One hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, I thought I thought it was a good commentary.
But it's an eye opening commentary because you know, sometimes
we think movie stars are just movie stars, and it's
like they're they've got they're just the sweet people and
they really care about And the.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Thing is, it's a ruthless business.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
It's a cutthrow business, and people do what they need
to do in order to be the focus of campaigns
because they want to establish themselves. And you can say,
on the other side, no black actor had done what
Will Smith had done before he started doing that in
the nineties, becoming this massive box office draw for action
adventure type of movies and becoming a July fourth staple.
Until that was on, we'd seen Eddie do it, we'd

(26:58):
seen Sydney Potier do it to.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
A degree, but not to the level that Will was
doing it. It was like worldwide.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
Box office type of thing where he created a name
for himself in that way, and so I think there
was a kind.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Of selfishness in that approach.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
And I Robot was at the time when Will was
starting to like slide out of his prime, so maybe
there was a little bit of ego there as well
that he needed to make sure he was still the
focus to see if you get another hit.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
So no, I mean yeah, because yeah it was. That
was about four. So you had already done Men Well,
let's see Bad Boys in ninety five, Independencely ninety six,
Men in Black ninety seven, Enemy of the State ninety eight,
Wa Well West ninety nine, Legend of Agadvance two thousand,
got your Oscar nomination in Ali two thousand and one,
did Men in Black two, which was fine, didn't do

(27:44):
super great, but then Bad Boys two did great. You
were had a cameo in Jersey Girl, you know, four,
but your main thing were Shark Tail and I Robot.
You were just I would say you didn't even fully
hit a downswing yet because five was Hitch, which blew up. Yeah,
you had Pursuit of Happiness in six, another Oscar nomination.

(28:05):
You had I Am Legend in ro seven, and then
even Hancock did well in eight and you had seven
Pounds as well. I feel like the beginning of the
downfall was like the Karate Kid and Men in Black three,
especially you hit After Earth that was a rap oh
after Earth, it.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Was just yeah, yeah, I think it started to become
much more mixed results with with the huah woh est
and then you saw, like you said, occasional spikes, but
then it really was after Earth with where he just
kind of went into the other area until he came
back with King Richard. And then of course we saw
what happened to the Oscar ceremony, which he was on

(28:41):
all the smoke, explaining that again, got emotional again about it,
which I gotta be honest with you. I don't know
how much of that should I buy anymore from Will
And I don't how much of that is real and
how much of it is And you know, I get
it having to explain to a nephew why you slapped
a man on the great on arguably the greatest nine
of your life.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
But how much that is true? How much of that is.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Using for sympathy? I don't know, man, but you know
it is. I understood it. I defended it on that night.
Someone talking shit about your woman.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
But then again, you know, to keep talking about it,
keep getting emotional about it.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
It's like we can't seem to move on from me. No.
I can see it going both ways. I could easily
see this as something he's using to kind of gain sympathy,
but I can also honestly see it as a that's
probably one of his most embarrassing moments in his entire life.
We're just calling a space of spaine. That's supposed to
be the greatest moment of your life that night, yep,

(29:34):
And instead it will become the thing you may potentially,
when it's all said and done, just because people are petty,
that may be the thing that you get remembered for,
which would be insane considering all of the content and
laughs and tears and all that that will has given
us over the years. That would I would get emotional
constantly too. If my biggest f up was at the

(29:54):
biggest moment of my.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Life, I know, and you can never change it, you
can never take it back. It is forever lore and
that's what you're known for. And yeah, because it's just
a moment of a reaction that you think you are
in the right to do in defense of your wife,
But it becomes something completely different as it morphs years later.

(30:16):
So yeah, all right, let's move on from Well, let's
get in, as Winston was teasing it, let's get into
some NFL talk.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
But let's keep it a little bit entertainment too.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Denzel Washington of all people, was on first take with
Spike and they were talking about Highest to Lowest coming
out this weekend, even though there's been no press for it,
hardly anything out there for it, Winston, but it comes
out this weekend, and he was talking about the situation
with the Cowboys because Denzel is a big Cowboys fan,

(30:46):
and he kind of raked him over the coals, Jerry
Jones over the coals on it.

Speaker 3 (30:50):
And they even use a tagline from the.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Film that I'm not all money is good money to
kind of go after Jerry Jones on this because of
the Micah Parsons thing. So your thoughts on this and
and your feelings on this as a Cowboys fan, yourself,
my friend, and a Denzel fan.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Imagine I'm massive Denzel fan, and I you know, a
lot of that just kind of checks out, like that's uh,
that's that, Denzil went. That is literally what Cowboy fans
have been screaming at the top of our lungs is
just pay the man. What are you doing? And Stephen
ain't brought up in that segment. I watched the whole thing.
He was just like one of the things that's kind
of ridiculous. They have had to restructure decks contract like

(31:27):
six or seven times right over the course of the
last like five ish years, which means Jerry is actually
really bad at contracts, not only because he's having to
pay more because he is out here in the streets
waiting till the eleventh hour. So the price yesterday's price
in today's price, and that shit keeps going up the
minute minute. Justin Jefferson got paid. Now it's gonna cost
more to cut pay CD the minute you know Burrow

(31:49):
got paid. Now it's gonna cost more to pay Doack Like,
that's just how that works. So the fact that that's
the case and you're gonna have to pay Mike of
this money and then you're gonna be in cap hell
trying to pay the rest of the team, that is
nobody's fault but Jerry. And it doesn't help. Did you
You didn't pull the clip I sent you of Jerry
making comment, did he? I don't.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I don't have the Yeah, I have the clip, but
I don't know if I can play it because it's
on first take.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I don't know. If that's fine. I'll just I'll just
I'll just you know, summarize more or less. Jerry said
in an interview, he was just like, you know, we'll
uh see, if we're not in the news, if we're
not at the forefront, then I'm really good and making
sure that we're at the front of everybody's mind. I
love the drama.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, ye, sell your house. No, no, you're good the clip,
but go ahead.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
You just sent you was like, you know, I appreciate
the drum and I know how to stir it up,
so I do. And that's the problem. Instead of focusing
on making winning a priority, you are literally about the
soap opera that is the Dallas Cowboys. That is why
we are here. It is not because you haven't had
insane because like if you actually go and look at
some of the teams that have been put together, one

(33:00):
team a couple of years ago that had like nine
all pros, there is no reason that team should have
been able to schalac people. That is one of the
highest number of all pros in a single team we
have ever seen. And it's because Jerry makes a circus.
They can't actually focus on their job.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah, this is this is what he said. He said,
if we're not being looked at.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
Then I'll do my part to get a slop down.
The Cowboys are a soap opera three and sixty five,
so it is, it's oh, it's wonderful to have the
great athletes, have the great players.

Speaker 5 (33:38):
But there's something more there. There's sizzled, there's emotion, and
if you will, there's controversy. That controversy is good stuff
in terms of keeping and having people's attention.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
That is insane to me with that's insane.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
That's literally insane because to that point, Patriots, I want
to say, are like the fourth or fifth most valuable
sports franchise, like in the world, right, Cowboys are number
one by a large margin. And then somewhere in that
mix is like, man, you the Commanders, the Patriots, the
Yankees in some order. I don't know, but the Cowboys

(34:15):
are always a couple billion ahead of everybody else. I'll
tell you right now. Kind of like what Chappelle said
in his last and one of his stand ups where
he was like, yo, man, like fifty million and a
hundred million, don't feel that different. Promise you a ten
billion dollar valuation and at seven point five billion valuation,
do not feel that different? And the Patriots did it

(34:37):
by actually standing for something and being a good team. Yes,
cheat sometimes, but they but a good team versus the Cowboys.
Like you said, soap operas everything, I'm gonna make sure
if I got to stir the pot, I'm stir the pot.
It's crazy. You're not a chef, motherfucker. You're a goddamn
football team. Do your job well.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
I think this is something that is a commentary going
on right now in our world across so many different
forums or walks of life or venues. Man the idea
that these billionaires, these rich dudes at the top of
the pyramid look at people's lives as toys for them
to play with, and the fact that he is willing

(35:18):
to cause controversy and drama and not care how it
affects his team because he is focused on making money
with his team and being the talk of the town
three hundred and sixty five days of the year. He
wants people talking about the Cowboys, and he is willing
to cause drama in other people's lives. The employees and

(35:39):
essentially a team, the players are his employees. Because he
owns the team, he is willing to fuck with their
lives and their financial wellbeings and their futures in order
to generate buzz to stay popular. We're seeing this in
a number of venues with billionaires who are wanting to
fuck with people's lives in order to keep their names

(35:59):
on the tongue, the tip of the tongue of a
lot of people in news organizations and coverage. And I
think this is a real indictment of where we're at
as a as a world, because it's happening in all
kinds of countries where these rich men are purposely fucking
with people's lives so that you're constantly talking about them
because that drives up the value of what they own.

(36:20):
Because people love to watch a train crash or a
car crack, a car wreck, and so they'll go and
watch all this stuff. And there are some people who
support these billionaires because they like playing the villain, and
so you have all of that coursing throughout this these
this dialogue around the Michael Parsons thing that is just
to me disgusting when you look at it.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Just the way he's so casual about it all, as.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
If these people aren't even human beings to him, I
think is a damn shit.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I mean, you had, you had the leaked audio of
Jamie Fox hanging with him and he's out here talking
about he's got a not specimen on him. Yeah, that nonsense.
You have the fact that like he wanted to invoke
Des Bryant's name and Des was like, I got like,
that's where the stupid Nicki minaj beef started. And that
was all on Nicki. But the idea of yo, he

(37:08):
was playing with my name because he knew if he
could rub my name in the mud, he could pay
me less. He specifically did that to like mess with
me instead of letting the truth get out there. I
wasn't there. I can't speak to it, but to be
honest with you, seeing enough evidence of what Jerry does
side of Dez, I very much believe him, Like I
very much am Like that sounds about right. He screwed

(37:30):
over with Emmett, He's screwed around with IRV. He has
literally done this four decades and it's only gotten worse. Yeah,
it has only gotten worse over the years. So I
just it is incredibly frustrating to see something that you
truly enjoy be controlled by somebody that really needs to
go sit down and be quiet, Like like, truthfully, there's

(37:51):
like what Jerry doesn't understand is that nobody is coming
to these games for Jerry. They are coming of these
games for the team, for the players, And I think
that just rubs him the wrong way. And if you
look at the evidence that that's something he wants. How
many people are always throwing questions in Jerry's face because
of this? How many times getting on radio shows and

(38:12):
dropping all sorts of just offensive crap on like radio
DJs just because they're asking questions of quote unquote the
GM like the fact that he wants to go act
and like you know, was on not Entourage but Ballers
and like you know, yeah, you know that Tyler Cabolays
rolled up like he really wants to be that guy.
And the problem with somebody that is that insecure and
constantly wants to be that guy, you sacrifice the things

(38:35):
that are more important in doing that.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, someone said in the chat, the billionaires want to
be the stars now like in the past they were okay,
sitting back owning the team and you know, reaping the
success of the team. Now they want to be the
guys up front who are getting interviewed and getting the attention.
They like it in some nerdy way. You know, I

(38:57):
just saw a Naked Gun to day. I went to
see it for the first time today, good film enjoyed it.
Not a great film, but a fun film. But there
is a little bit of a commentary there about these
people in charge of the world and and when they
get on the motorcycles and look like morons because they
think they're cool because they have money, they look like

(39:18):
total dorks.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
And so that's true. You know, Jones is a dork,
Dan Steins is a dork. Trump is a dork. But
it's not just them bezos bezos, every single one of
these dudes that hit a billion literally some of the
biggest dorks you've ever seen. Like because there's there's a
really great video done by I've talked about this on

(39:40):
my channel before, by Adam Conover. He's a guy that
was like in Adam Ruins everything. He used to be
part of Consumer He has his own channel. He does
something like our society is caving because of billionaires fragile
male egos, and it talks about how Zuckerberg feeling, you know,
emasculated one or the other started doing MMA and then

(40:02):
like started making threats to elon, Hey, you want to
get in the ring, man, like we'll throw down and
oct goombe bro and then like paid all this money
to be with I don't remember what fighter to be
a part of the crew to walk out with him.
Everybody else is kind of walking around normally how they do.
He's trying to look all tough and shit, and people
are like, ohh you look corny as shit, like stop it,
stop it, like that's what you see it is.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
It is mind blow I mean like I almost want
to go back to the days when the dorks got
bullied by the jocks, because at least the jocks weren't
that smart. The fact that you've got the dorks who
have now become the people who are the arbitters of
our society, are in control and find out that their
proclivities are just as depraved as the jocks proclivities in

(40:43):
stereotypical ways. It's just like, well, shit, it sucks that
you're depraved, you're.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
A dork, and you're in control.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
That there's almost no avenue to overthrow that kind of stuff,
and you see it happening daily with some of the
moves these people make the.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Cost thousands to.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Hundreds of thousands of people's lives to be disrupted by
their every whim and it is a frustrating situation to
see all around with all.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
This, bro. I love how how the opening euphoria doesn't
just apply to Drake. It applies to all these billionaires,
to superpowers getting neutralized. I can watch only in silence
that famous actor or a billionaire once once new is
looking paranoid and now spiraling. You're moving like a degenerate
every antiicus feeling distasteful. I calculate you're not as calculated.
I can predict on every angle. Literally, we know exactly

(41:34):
what Jerry is doing, and we have said this, and
now he finally said the quiet part out loud, and
it only becomes more infuriating. This is because the same
thing could be said about Elon putting out all those
polls of like, hey, if enough people voted, should I
step down? A CEO resounding like ninety percent pole, Yes,
Well we're not gonna do that. I'm gonna be here,

(41:56):
so kiss my ass. Because they're they're they they're they're
little boys, yea, who he paid attention to when they
were growing up. There's a hole in their heart that
they were able to feel by being very good at
screwing people out out of their money, and then ultimately,
when their ego gets checked again, they lash out, yes,
and they lash out at people that don't deserve it,
because it's literally you're doing that. We're here.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
It's nerd rage. It's all nerd rage from these dorks. Really,
look all of them, you know, all of them. Someone
said in the chat you better not care call Aaron
Donald a dork. Why Aaron Donald is not in charge
of stuff?

Speaker 3 (42:33):
Right? I mean, Aaron Donald is not a tech billionaire.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
What are you mad?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Sometimes I think somebody hit you in the head with
a brick before you come on here. Man, I understand
some of your comments anyway. Yeah, it's just it's it's
that kind of stuff, and it's supremely frustrating.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Yoah, damn it fabricate stories on a family front. Because
you heard mister Morale a pathetic master manipulator. I could
smell the tails on you. Now. You're not a billionaire artist.
You're a scam artist with hopes of being accepted. Tommy
Hill figures it out. But FUBU would never been at
your collection that last one. Maybe not because none of
them are black. But you're not a GM, You're not

(43:08):
a good You're a scam artist with hopes that people
will accept you. That is literally what every single thing
that they do is just infuriating. I gotta let it go.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
I know it is infuriating because we do feel at
times powerless to stop this stuff from having as a
football fan, you have no choice, like just like I
felt with being a Commanders fan all those years and
having Dan Snyder just do the dumbest shit another dork,
as I said, do this the dumbest shit.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
You're like, man, do you have a human bone in
your body at all?

Speaker 2 (43:36):
And it becomes like there's nobody to call these people
to task. There's nobody to stop them doing what they're doing.
There's no system of checks and balances to restrain these
people from their business practices because, as you said, he's
done this to so many players, it's just standard business
for him, and he loses out most of the time

(43:56):
in the negotiations. He has the money, but for him him,
money is so whatever that he is willing to take
a chance to pay the person less if the market
doesn't match what the person is asking for. But every
single time he seems lately to get burned by it
all and have to pay more to the people than
he would have initially if he had just signed those contracts.

(44:18):
So yeah, it's a maddening thing. But he likes the drama.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
Unfortunately all of them do, and that's why we all suffer.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
Yep, because they messy.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
I know you're a massive manipulator and habitual liar too.
Don't tell no lie about me, and I won't tell
truth about.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
You, just like, Oh God, I love it, I love it.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
I almost want to say to Jerry Jones, I think
when you said that's a sexy red you think you
stand next to too bad picture? Like I just, I
just I feel like that's exactly what he thinks. Bro.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
That's great. But we I had two hundred and fifty
of you all joining us live right now.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Thanks so much for hanging out with us as we
talk about the things we want to talk about.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
On spill the tekile. We appreciate.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
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Speaker 3 (45:26):
My man?

Speaker 1 (45:27):
You can find me out the swaggy blurred on all platforms, YouTube, Twitch,
social media. I'm gonna have my relay out of the
theater reaction. I did recorded it yesterday, but I just
didn't have time to put it up. I went to
the AMC screen unseen, so I'll put my thoughts on
that out pretty soon. You'll also see me over on

(45:48):
Capes and Cows on Friday and then here every Tuesday.
You know, as long as we are good.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
To go, yeah, absolutely or most one of this story,
winz got needs you to help me through what is
going on here between Cameron and Omar Gooding who Cameron
called Omar Gooding Junior as a shot to his brother.

Speaker 3 (46:07):
So apparently there's.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Dramas he booked him on a movie on purpose to
mess with him and never put the movie.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Like what the origin of this beef in this feud man?

Speaker 1 (46:17):
So it was it was essentially Cameron was talking shit
about Omar Gooding and called him Omar Goodding Junior. Omar
Goodning got upset about because obviously Cuba getting Junior his brother,
like that's the junior and all that kind of stuff.
So Omar Gooding started putting out a bunch of dish
tracks against Cameron. But the thing is, it's like, even
though they apparently were like halfway decent, Yeah, he's never

(46:39):
really been a rapper. The only rap that he really
did was on Smart Guy, as for like a couple
episodes when they were like putting like either a rap
group or an R and B duo together. It's just
not necessarily his forte. Right. So CAMRA's got beef after
hearing these told things, and he goes, now, I'm gonna
get I'm gonna get him because he essentially called him
like a washed out like Disney actor whatever whatever. Right,

(46:59):
So he hires him to be on a movie he
has other producers doing. He's watching from behind the scenes,
and you had Omar Gooding like signing the paperwork, flying
out to Miami, being flown out to Miami, getting paid
for it for a movie that just from the look
of it didn't necessarily look like it's gonna be very good.
But he like did his role or whatever, and then
Cam Cameron was out here making fun of him and

(47:21):
all sorts of stuff, being like, yeah, that was meaning
I was behind the scenes. I was just making fun
looking at me, got his titts out, got his man
titt's in his gut out, just blah blah blah, trying
to do some pushups, like going on and on and
on about him. So then Omar eventually responds back and
he goes, not only have I got way more distracts
for yo ass, because I know you're not gonna get
in the studio, But on top of that, Okay, so

(47:41):
I got a free trip to Miami and got twenty
five hundred bucks for a shitty movie that'll never come out,
and I gotta worry about. Okay, book me again, nigga, Wait,
what up? Book me again? Baby? Up? What else you got?
I would love anohing to do another nothing movie. That
would be great. Look, if my hater wants to pay
me twenty five hundred dollars, give me a free trip
to my I'm kind of down to let him do

(48:02):
it because he thinks he's getting me, but it instead
I'm just like cool, thanks for the free trip of
the free money.

Speaker 2 (48:06):
I don't like it's such an unusual video because Cameron
starts out giving Omar Gooding credit for those distracts, like
he said, those are actually good.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
So he's almost encouraging this battle between them and Omar Gooding.
I mean, like his response is fascinating to me, and
him saying like, you know what, pay me to go
do all it. I'll absolutely do it again. And he
says like, thank you man, thank you. I really appreciate.
It's a fasting way to try to diffuse a few
it is to be like, thank you for this, thank
you for all this, thank for all the stuff you're doing.

(48:37):
And then he says, I'm not done with you, and
we're going to see what's up next. And people are
watching for what's up next. So I have not listened
to any of these distracts. I have no idea what
this is all.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
I haven't listened to them either. I've heard that they're
actually not bad, but I just it's just really funny
to me that he thinks winning. I mean, I would say,
if you've got Jerry Jones money, I know, I know,
I know that, I know that I know that Cameron
has made a good living over between his podcasts and
sure like his his rap career and everything else like that.
But I venture he's probably worth somewhere around, Like call

(49:11):
it fitty mil something like that. It's just a stab
in the dark. You're gonna waste twenty Like even if
you have fifty millis, you're gonna literally waste twenty five
hundred to pay him that the money to fly him
down there, which I'm sure was first class for the
movie in the first place, and then to put to
fund a fake movie, Like you don't have fifty cent money.
You don't have Jerry Jones money. That seems I respect
the petty, but that just seems like irresponsible petty. There's

(49:33):
other ways to do that. You could have got him
to do a cameo for like twenty dollars and then
made him say something embarrassing of shit like that to
me would have been like would have made more sense. Again,
you got Jerry Jones fit money by all means, do
what you want. Then then set up an entire Disneyland
for his ass just to embarrass him. But but you
I don't know that. That to me just seemed a
little That seems like a waste of money. Yeah, I

(49:56):
don't disagree with you, man.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Apparently the beef started months back when Cam Cameron criticized
actors like Omar on his show It Is What It Is,
saying dudes were sitting around hoping for fifty cent to
bless them with roles instead of making their own moves.
He even called him Omar Gooding Junior, which we alluded to,
which clearly hit a nerve.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Man. So this is fascinating because, like I looked at
Omar's resume.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Omar works, and he, like Omar, is sitting around desperate
for a job, like he was in five movies last year.
He's done a bunch of TV shows and he consistently
works since he was at Nickelodeon. So he's not a
guy who's like necessary.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Well, he was at Nickelodeon and at Disney because remember
he was on Smart Guy and that was on ABC,
so like he was doing all of that. And yes,
he's got one hundred and twenty one projects IMDb reports
as an actor and he has twenty three coming so.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Like mind blowing to this.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
So he works.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Yeah, So it seems like an odd thing.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
To go in on an actor who consistently works and
isn't sitting around waiting for fifty cent to give him
a role. And I don't what has he been on
at fifty cent produced? I don't see any Power oh Power?

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Okay, point because there because there's been a bunch of
Power spinoffs as well. So like there's there's the original
Power and then four Power books so book one, two, three,
and four. So yeah, that would have that's five different shows.
You're gonna put them on.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
But I've seen the White Guy spin off clips on TikTok.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
There's a white guy Power spin off. Yeah, oh you
mean you mean you mean the white character in Power?
And yeah, yeah, I thought you meant white people had
made a Power spinoff. I said, bro, what white Power?
God damn, that's bro. That actually is kind of a
hilarious That might be a really funny TikTok sketch. It'd

(51:42):
be like guys were on a corner. There's an untapped
marker right now. You know, Power did really well with
black people. We think that we have the ultimate answer
to power, and we can get a demographic that hasn't
been touched. Great, what's it called white power? Whoa whoa no, no, no, no, no, no,
hear me out. So here's the thing. It's just like power.
And we also have a character named ghost. See he
even wears a ghost mask. And that's what it's like. Whoa, whoa,

(52:06):
bro hold on, do you not see this?

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Coming next week Fox Nation's first scripted series, White.

Speaker 6 (52:19):
White Power, brought to you by Jerry Jones.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Oh man, that'd be perfect hotly god, all right, anything
more to say on because I know we wanted to
talk about that and have some fun with that beef.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Anything you want to say.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
I mean that. It was just really funny to me
to see that. I also loved that. At one point
Omar Gooding was just like, I got titties. Man, I'm
a man of my fitties. You think I give a damn?
I got children and guest dad by a fool? Who
am I trying to impress? I don't care. And on
top of that, you pay me to do some push ups.
I appreciate that, but thanks for having me get healthy?

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Like all right, well listen, that was all the topics
that we had.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
So she would just get into the car.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
We had.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Odell Beckham still, oh yeah, sorry, let's talk about obj
Odell Beckham junior.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
There were rumors earlier today that he was retiring from
the NFL completely.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
There was some nice Adam and all this kind of stuff.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Adam Yeah, of all people, Adam Schefter did it on
his Twitter and there was all kinds of calls, Oh, bro,
what's the truth?

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Holy crap, it is definitely a parody account. Oh I'm
seeing it. It's Adam Shelfler and it said it very small,
but like they did the thing where like the l
is like one and all that kind of stuff, so
people didn't notice. But yeah, so people were like going
at Adam Shefter because they thought he did this right exactly. Yeah.

(53:53):
But but I'm dying at Odell's response, like he what
did he say he said in the first when he
goes lol, wtf when was that announced? Aby who? That's funny.
Appreciate the concerns, but this ain't over yet. Yeah, and
then you put another one out later saying no, seriously,
please stop reading everything on the internet and stop texting
me happy retirement before you piss me off. That will

(54:15):
get no response. I promise you. The day I'm done,
i'll let you know again if you text me happy retirement.
I'm just gonna have to block you, thanks, because that's
the thing.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
This was a parody account, so people took it and
ran with it though clearly, and we're reaching out to
OBJ to the point where he felt the need to
comment on it twice on social media because so many
people aren't noticing that it was a parody account. So
that is funny. I feel bad for OBJ to a degree.
That's but that's funny shit, Oh for sure. Yeah, absolutely, Let's.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
See we have the new mass You want to play
that real quick? When we play that real quick?

Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, we can also real quick.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Though.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
I forgot the other thing that Jerry, that Denzel said
about Jerry. He goes, there's box Office and then there's Oscars. Jerry,
it's been a while. Huh. You ain't been to the show,
so you wouldn't know what it is to win, That's
what he said to him. Yeah, I remember him saying that.
I genuinely just forgot that he said that, But yes,
that was that was another It wasn't just not all
money and good money, Jerry, it was he also hit

(55:08):
him with it, you ain't been to the show, so
you wouldn't know what it is to win. That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
That's he's just picking the fight.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Now.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
This will be a fun thing when it actually goes down.
All right, let's play this real quick. Wits has sent
me this, and I want us to bring more social
media stuff onto the show, to have fo my favorite
clips from TikTok or favorite moments from from Twitter or whatever.
But this is this was a this was put out here.
What's the accounts? And so I want to give credit here.
Gustavo At senior man Kels posted this video.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
It is clearly a TikTok video. But here we go.

Speaker 7 (55:40):
You have eighteen times fifty. You could just half the
eighteen and double out easier multification.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
Here. I can hear it. I just can't see it.
Did you block it on purpose? Oh? Oh oh no, uh,
there we go?

Speaker 3 (55:52):
Can oh I see if I go full screen and
blocks it?

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Okay, So I'll just play.

Speaker 7 (55:56):
This, Okay, If you have eighteen times pece, let's start.
You know, if you have eighteen times fifty, you could
just half the eighteen and double the fifty. Now you'll
have an easier multiplication nine times one hundred, which gives
the same answer.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
It's nine hundred, so simple. Yet somehow I didn't think
of maget trips.

Speaker 7 (56:11):
It's not only usual for math, but it can give
us a deeper understanding of how multiplication works. The idea
is that whenever we have a multiplication, we can half
one of the numbers and double the other and we
get exactly the same answer. But sometimes by doing this
we find ourselves with a much easier multiplication. Now, let's
say we've got fourteen times fifty. That might be one
that would normally have you reaching for the calculator, but
let's try our technique. We're going to half the fourteen

(56:33):
and double the fifty, so we'll end up with seven
times one hundred instead. It's a calculation.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
There are faces between.

Speaker 7 (56:42):
So we've got twenty five times sixteen. If we double
the twenty five and half the sixteen, we'll get fifty
times eight. That's okay, But I think we can do
if we double the fifty and half the eight, we'll
get one hundred times four. But we don't have to
stop there. We could double and half again to get
two hundred times to double and half again four hundred

(57:04):
times one.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
No one can argue with.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
That, And all of these multiplications.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Is for when get update this method, I just like
the technique. It's something I can definitely take them to
show my kids. I don't like it. I'm never gonna
like I do my own cocklations. I'll do my own
calculations on.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
My man said, you don't have to calculate money.

Speaker 1 (57:27):
Right, I do my own calculations in my head. I
do not need this.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Oh that is crazy.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
I just I literally like. The funny thing is is
somewhere deep down I knew that and I've done that
in the past. Yeah, but it's one of those things
that with it just spelled out like that, I've just
been thinking about in recent years. Yeah, the hell did
not just do that? Bro? Like, why why? Why the
hell did not? Like I moved someal points around all
the time to try and make math easier and stuff
like that, Like I get that, but why did I

(57:55):
think to do something as simple as that. It's it's
so easy, it's so easy.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
It's mind blowing and they should be Oh did not
teach this in the classrooms for years? I don't know,
because people have always had trouble with math in math class. So, yeah,
a little lesson for you all.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Which BT dubs. I just wanted to go and check
and see. So according to the twenty twenty four rankings,
this is Wikipedia and they were using Forbes as their
as their source. Dallas Cowboys valuation at ten point one billion.
On State Warriors are number two at eight point eight.
Los Angeles Rams are number three at seven point six. Crazy.
New York Yankees are number four at seven point five

(58:30):
to five. New York Knicks are number five at seven
point five. Patriots are number six at seven point four.
New York Giants are number seven at seven point three,
Lakers are eight at seven point one, Jets are nine
at six point nine, which is crazy. The Niners are
ten at six point eight, Raiders are eleven at six
point seven. The Eagles are twelve, tied with Real Madrid

(58:51):
at six point six. And then so that's your first
soccer team football team and the next one is Manchester
United State TX point five to five. So like, again,
maybe it's because you just want to say I'm the best,
but literally everybody clowns you. I would much rather be
the Rams who just won a title, the Patriots who

(59:13):
just won like six titles. Uh, you know, the Giants
who won two and you know in the tens, the
Niners who at least have been to multiple Super Bowls
and the Eagles who have won two in the last
like seven to eight years. I would much rather be
that much lower on the list and have some chips
than to be like, hey man, we're worth ten billion,
We're worth every other sports team. Yeah, kiss my ass.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
There you go, Well, said Winston. Well said, all right,
well let's get into.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
The questions, brother, because we're getting We got to get
into getting and out of here in the next thirty minutes.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Michael McKenzie says, hey, guys, here to help your nut.

Speaker 1 (59:48):
Thank you, Michael. Do you get the reference? Yeah? Wait, okay, okay,
I wasn't sure if you saw it.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
That's why. Okay, man, that's that was a good episode.
But I was also sad and laughing at the same time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Well because while the puppy stuff, no, all.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
The ice stuff, like, there's gonna be people who join
because they're in desperate financial straits and they're going to
do things that are horrific because they have to pay
bills or support a family member.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Oh and it's it's heartbreaking. I guarantee you the lines
she used in the show, they definitely have used it.
If it's brown it goes down, Like I clearantee you
they have used that. And the fact that like, and
that's where south Park to me has always been so
like top notch as far as straight efstrating somebody bro.
The fact that they went to heaven to try and

(01:00:42):
bounce brown folk is crazy. That is crazy, man.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Yeah, south Park is like the eminem of comedy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Man, that really is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Jim Once is well post pandemic hemics of impacts. Sorry,
while post pandemic habits have impacted all movies, Dune, Minecraft,
Wicked are still hitting eight hundred million, so I think
there is some brand damage to Marvel.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Yeah, I don't disagree, but I still stand by think
about everything that you just mentioned. So Dune that became
a whole event movie because we haven't seen a Dune
in however many years, so that this was a remaking
plus villain Denny Villeneuve and it. The first one did
not do well because unfortunately it happened in the middle
of the pandemic, so it just did not make money.
The second one did, but that's just because people had

(01:01:26):
built stuff up. So fine, Minecraft, I already said kids'
movies did like that family stuff that's automatic pass and
then Wicked. Yes, did a huge thing. But again you
tapped into that audience. I was talking about about women,
like mainly women that were super into that, and you
put out one of like a big ip that they're
they're into and it did gang buzzles. Now, they all
had to be good movies, right, But like that, that's

(01:01:48):
the whole thing versus Yes, I do think the brand
damage has been done. But don't sit here and tell
me you only listed the successes. Start listing other movies
that had big names tied to them or big budgets
and things like that. They're expecting and bombed. Indiana Jones
is a great one. You put way too much money
in that. You may nothing. That's just another example of
just genuinely the markets have changed and people don't know

(01:02:11):
how to handle it properly. From the studio side of things, Yeah,
good point.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Chief executive Officer John Pipayaz says, one rule in life,
do you follow each day?

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Or try to?

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yes? Do you try to follow each day or try to?
I don't know if I get that last party.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
He's just trying to say to you follow each day
with the next I think, Oh, I see yep, that's
often says Fantastic four is great, but the sixty percent
drops every week shows audiences don't want to get out.
If it gets five hundred and fifty million, I'd be shocked.
Feels like a failure. Yeah, if it crosses five hundred,
I'll be shocked, to be honest, at this point because
of the drops and people were exhausted, like it was.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Weapons is something new, Freak Your Friday is something new.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
But even those numbers aren't like the numbers are Fantastic
four opening weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
It's just that those are alternate things that people can
go see.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
They're new.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I think people are exhausted from the summer. They want
a little bit of a break, and so here's something
new like Weapons and Freaker Friday. But yeah, I think
Fantastic fours is cooked pretty much now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Probably it's probably almost done. I mean, truthfully, I do
think they'll hit five hundred. Maybe. I agree five point
fifty at this point will be a little bit of
a shock, But yeah, I think it's pretty much done.
I think the other part of it is you're spot
on that people gotta remember, like money is not doing
well for folks right now. People are holding onto your coins.
So like again, if it's not something that I absolutely

(01:03:32):
must see or I payal this day, literally every black
mama when you were like, Mama, can I go see
Fantastic for Uh? Is that gonna come out on Disney Plus?
How much might I pay for that? Damn Disney Plus?
You try to go the damn movies, You've gotta wait.
You'll ask fort to five days. Ain't playing a shit.
I guarantee you the number of families that have decided
it will eventually come to streaming. I'm good unless it's

(01:03:53):
something they absolutely feel like they have to see, right right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
The worst thing is if your mom understands how to
access your Q. All the movies you haven't watched.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
Look at all these movies you haven't watched.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Literally, that's the word.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Ah. Why about of these video games? You're trying to
go to a damn arcade. You gotta get in there
and play some to Mario. Ah, that game is like
twenty years old. I don't care. I paid a good
five hundred dollars. So that's super Nintendo. You ha'd plugged
that shit. Instance eighty four, the plastic is still on
the game. You gotta get in there and play it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Bad sends to call Aaron Donald, who the hell called
me a dork? Still going with that joke.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
I don't know what happened. I don't know what that
joke is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Then someone needs to do with deep analysis of all
the billion dollar films from twenty fifteen twenty nineteen and
see what China counted for Studios typically only get twenty
five percent of China box office.

Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Feels like comparing oranges to apples.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Yeah, I mean, I think there is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
I mean, Dan does a really good deep dive into
when he does his charts show, But there is more
to explore here. I agree, and I think it is
case by case. It is filmed by film. I don't
think you can make sweeping generalizations about any of this stuff, really,
because there are exceptions to every rule, and you're just
looking at the patterns for certain films.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Yeah I could. I will give you the top five
of twenty fifteen and let me let me give you
what the domestic in the foreign Remember what the number
one grossing movie in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Was, Cikari? No, I don't know what was Cicari.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
The Force Awakens pulled two billion, did nine did nine
hundred and thirty six domestically, it did one point one internationally.
I don't know specifics on China, but just just comparable,
but like one is definitely bigger than the other. Next movie,
do you wild guess on what was the next? I'm
terrible at the movie release states. Okay, Jurassic World the

(01:05:36):
first one six hundred and fifty two domestically, one point
h one billion internationally, Furious Seven only three hundred and
fifty three million domestically, one point one six two billion internationally,
Avengers Age of Ultron four to fifty nine domestically nine
hundred and forty three million internationally, and then finally Minions,

(01:06:00):
which did one point one five three hundred and thirty
six domestically eight hundred and twenty three internationally. So again,
I stand by the fact that if you're not taking
that into consideration and realizing that our relationship with the
world and how things have gone have genuinely changed, the
movie industry looks different, everything else that's been going on
looks different. And and if we're not pulling those numbers

(01:06:21):
like we were internationally, you're not going to readily see
billion dollar movies.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Right there, you go, said by Winston a Marshall because
the closest the closest would have been Force Awakens and
was at nine to thirty six.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
They across the billion in America.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
So yeah, and it's still the highest grossing domestic hall
of any movie ever by Miles uh Matt Sims and
McCall been up for thirty seven hour straight, So definitely Mania.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
I can tell by the cor uh See Blacks his
next three MCU films will make over one point five billion.
Debo just made one point four billion last year after
the Marvel's bomb with the lowest box office. Those two
will be in the next two with downy x men
og event. Here's what I'll say. I don't think anything
is guaranteed, and if those films are not well reviewed,

(01:07:08):
if they're mixed reviews, I think the idea of one
point five billion is not possible because people now are
burnt too many times by Marvel and if they start
to see mixed reviews from these films that even are
supposed to be the reliable films, I don't see them
going out in the same numbers to support the films
as they did in the past. And look, Spider Man

(01:07:29):
Brand New Day is a new director Deston, Daniel Kretton
is not John Watts, and so we don't know what
Deston's movie is going to look like and if it's
going to be successful.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
As good as shan Chi was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Some people did have legitimate complaints about story structure and
about the direction of that move.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
Then you look at the Doom, you look at Doomsday,
and you look.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
At Sucre Wars. They're bringing it back downy, which a
lot of people have called a desperate move. What if
it doesn't work, what if it doesn't fit seamlessly, what
if there are holes in what they're doing, that's going
to affect the box office. So I don't think one
point five minute billion is guaranteed for any of these.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
Movies, one thousand percent. And just to further, just kind
of just twist, the Knife Justice League in twenty seventeen
still pulled six hundred and sixty one million only two
twenty nine here and four hundred and thirty two internationally.
So like again, we are just in a different marketplace.
We can almost all universally agree that Jostice League was garbage. Everybody,

(01:08:26):
Snyder fans, non Snyder fans, Marvel fans, whoever, that it
was just not good, and yet somehow it's still pulled
six to sixty one. And yet we're not like I
think we can all agree that Superman, Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts
is all a higher quality movie than Jostice League. Oh yeah,
but we are just in a different world.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Yeah, Reggie Brown says a new thing is to praise
Weapons so you can trash Sinners. I've been reading x
comments how Weapons is superior while Sinners as woke garbage races.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
That is such bullshit.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
I mean, Sinners is a bet? Or is this good
of a movie if not better than Weapons? In my opinion,
haven't seen Weapons yesterday. There are holes you can poke
in Weapons, which I did in a spoiler which I
released I think tomorrow. But to me, both of those
films are effective and powerful. What they're doing to compare
them against each other is utter nonsense.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
Without getting into spoilers. Yeah, is there any relation to
what is being discussed in Sinners to Weapons? Is there
anything about you know, liberation or connection to ancestors or
anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
Not really, No, just both horror movies, right, yes, just
both horror movies.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
One deals with clearly a lot of white people who
are affected by what's happened. There are black children who
were taken as well in the movie, but they focus
on the white parents just as Long, Justin Long Josh Brolin,
and then the white teacher and then the white cop,
so I think that's what they're looking and the white
drug addict so, and the white aunt who comes in,

(01:10:02):
so they're all looking at that. And there's only one
person of color in the main cast that's Benedicuong, and
even he's with a white guy, So you have that
element here.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
So I see. The other thing about it that's kind
of funny to me is like, Sinners hasn't been in
theaters for months? Why you got my name in your mouth?
Are you that? Are you that sensitive that all of
a sudden you feel like you got to bring me
up like like like that old fifty seventy Why is that? Mefal? Yeah,
it's like literally I'm over here doing my thing, counting
my money and just happy, like go get your bag.
Why are you bringing me into this? Yeah? Exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Yeah, it's veiled racist crap that you're just so sick
of seeing. Chris Corcoran says outside Marvel DC or Star Wars.
What's the worst fandom worst?

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
I I want to say it, but I really don't
want to get attacked. I really I want.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
To say passionate, not worst necessarily, so I would say
the Game of Thrones people, the Walking Dead people at ONCET.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
We're pretty insane.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
I mean, I remember macuga stepping down from hosting The
Walking Dead or Game of Thrones after show, and they
asked me to do it because mccugar was getting all
kinds of terrible comments and from people who are crazy
about it because he was trying to bring a little
levity to his hosting and people did not want any levity.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
We're dealing with those those shows. So yeah, it was
an interesting experience. I'm an equal opportunity offender pretty much
every like Army Nation whatever. For musicians, all of them,
they're all They're all horrible, genuinely. So, whether it be
you know, Drake Stands or the Barbs or the Beehive

(01:11:42):
or the Swifties or whoever, there is an insidious nature
because of the parasocial relationship with those artists that it
always comes to a head the ugliest part of the group,
like behavioral wise, not not physically, but behavior wise always
comes to the forefront the exact same way you see
was or MCU, Bros. Or whatever whatever it is. So

(01:12:03):
I would genuinely say, like the armies or nations quote
unquote of musicians. Yeah fair, I think that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Joys Romer says, can Star Wars Rebound. Oh, I'll tell
you it's an action army that was the worst fandom. Yeah,
suck it, Jesus Christ. Eight years later, your bastards. Joyce
Romer says, can Star Wars rebound with Mandoin Grogu, I
think it's gonna need more than just Mando and Grogu
to rebound.

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
It needs to go on a run.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
And so will the Ray movie be good?

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Will the Mangold movie be good?

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Will this star Fighter movie that they're lining up a
lot of really good actors to be a part of
because they need to get a run going in terms
of getting people excited.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Yes, go ahead, Please tell me you see the comment
that came up from Paul Hitchcock being like, nah, is
the dull self censor? This all goes in there too.
Oh No, I didn't say that. I didn't say that. Hello,
All right, there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
What do you think winsy. Can they rebound with mandol
gorgor do you agree with me? That needs to go
on a bit of a run, and they need to
go on a run.

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
But they But that's a step in the right direction.
It starts with one yeah, exactly good point. Yes, it
starts with one.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
Fantastic fourteen. I lived by this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Good movies tanking the box office all the time. But
no bad movie has made a billion.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
It means it wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
Mentally, I agree, Draassic World Dominion made a billion, and
that's a horrible fun even.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
That movie, real bad bad. I understand what you're trying
to say, but nah, bro hold on, let me let
me run it back, let me let me pull some
stuff up here. The Jungle Book wasn't good. Uh, dungle
Book is close enough. Nine to sixty six. I'll give
it to it. Let's see, original Jurassic World was fine.
It was fine. It wasn't good, it wasn't bad. It

(01:13:55):
was fine. Let's see those are all good. That's a
Fallen Kingdom, not very good. Made one point three. Acolman
is fine, it's fine. Venom almost there at eight fifty six.
It's fine at best. But most people think it's bad
and that made money. Let's see the Lion King remake,

(01:14:18):
where all scarily you're looking at animals that can emote
one point six billion, Bro, you know what I'm saying.
I personally like the first Captain Marvel. A lot of
people don't one point one two eight billion Rise of
Skywalker one point zero seven to four, and pretty much
every Star Wars fan says that movie is Garbaum. Yes,
so like nah, it happens. It definitely happens, but it

(01:14:42):
doesn't necessarily it's not a good thing. You don't want
to start off with the bad movie. You have a
good one.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
You're very kind to leave out the Transformers movie.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
I just didn't even go for an effect to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
Kyle Wilson, which potentially buddy cop movie would you rather see?

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Gary Busey and Dice Clay are Christopher Lloyd and Danny
de Vito, both directed by James Gunn, which gard of
Lloyd Danny Devita.

Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
You're gonna get better.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Cold Lloyd and de Vito, But that man, they're both
old me.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
Yes, yes, get some current references, Kyle, No, no, no,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
I just I just the funny thing with those last
two like I just I hadn't seen Always Sonny in
a while until the crossover, and I was like, oh
my god, I love Danny Devita, but my boys age.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Yeah, I'm d voos. Reviews don't matter. Look at Fantastic
Four versus Jurassic World.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Hype matters. Well, I think, see, these.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Generalizations are really mean, are meaningless because they don't apply
because there are plenty of films that when they.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Get reviewed well, people go see them and give them
a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
When you're talking franchise installments, yes you could argue reviews
don't matter, and it's not usually case specific, but when
it comes to a lot of the other movies that
populate the twelve month schedule of movies, reviews absolutely matter
because that inspires people to go see these movies, and

(01:16:07):
that's why there's a you know, there's that kind of
connection between viewers and film still.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Well, because like the other thing about it is, I
had heard more people talk kind of bad about Lelo
and Stitch compared to the OG because of things that
they ret conned and all that kind of stuff. And
again crossed a billion, like you know what I mean,
Like it it did okay on the Tomatometer at seventy
two percent, which is still relatively fine, but had ninety

(01:16:33):
two with the audiences. But I genuinely heard so many
people say, you really ruined something special by taking this
out or the other out of the movie. Well to Billy, I.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Think Centers in no way hits the box office heights
that it did without.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
So many have to word about the same thing about
Black Panther, even though Black Panther was well done. It's
the same thing the hype train.

Speaker 5 (01:16:54):
What.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
So, don't get me wrong, the hype train is very important.
I would agree with that the hype train for something
is in incredibly important. But I think to say, to
throw out reviews and stuff like that, up to a point,
it really depends on who we're talking about. If we're
talking about those reviewers that like turn their nose up
at everything and they think they're better than everybody and
all that, sure, nobody's listening to them, But like there's

(01:17:17):
others that like come off as a little bit more
even if they're serious, they come off as not so
hoity toity, and people will listen, you know what I mean.
So I think people follow you for that reason. I
think people follow Dan for that reason, because like, you
guys have something real to say about it, but you
don't pretend like you're better than everybody. Oh yeah, no,
of course not. What was that responsible?

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
Well, I don't. I don't pretend to be better anybody,
but I will call people out if they try to
fuck around.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
So some people I thought you were saying. I thought
that was a yeah, sure, No, no, some people.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
I call them out, and that's not what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
But yeah, thank you for saying.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Let's hit these stream labs for you. Rolling On Frantastic
three fourteen says some tequila. We have moved away from
the first priority of movie going, and that's was I entertained.
All the reviews come afterwards. For example, I really enjoyed
Megan two point zero because I had a fun time
in the theater, but I know it wasn't for everyone.
Uh yeah, no, I don't think we've moved past was
I entertained. Everyone has that as an element The reviews

(01:18:20):
are did you entertain me? Because you'll see a lot
of reviews that you can see encoded language when they're
trying to say, yes, didn't this didn't work for me?

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
This didn't work for me, This wasn't strong, but I still.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Had a good time in the theater because overall it
entertained me, even though I can see the flaws in
the construction of the film, and so I think they,
I don't think we have moved past that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Well, what do you think here was? Yeah, I don't.
I don't think that we've fully moved past it either.
I think that it that is certainly something to bring up.
It's something to keep in mind, but you know it,
that's that's because the first Megan honestly did well because
people were entertained enough and it was something new. Yes,

(01:19:04):
if we're being honest, that first Megan was not good,
which is entertaining. So they tried to double down on
the nonsense and it just didn't hit. So I think,
I think these studio heads need to not look at
something the way that Like they looked at Sa Morbius
and they were like, Oh it's morbid time, bro. They
love it go again, Like that's what it feels like

(01:19:26):
sometimes when these sequels get green light and they're worse
than they were.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Yeah, But as I said two weeks ago, if you
if if the audience keeps going to these fucking sequels,
then the studio goes, well, we'll just keep making the
stupid shit.

Speaker 3 (01:19:40):
And there's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
And so all I was trying to say is people
got to take.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Responsibility for their own movie going habits, as well as
calling out the executives and the creators quad.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Fay says, Roca, stay with me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Now, can you invite Winston onto the Cinophiles and get
Steve to talk a hood classics such as Friday or
Baby Boy?

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Winston? Can I see you?

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Fam? What's up? That was good?

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Well, we've had Winston on with Jay. Yeah, we did
Black Panther, which was over three parts. It was an
incredible It's still considered some of our greatest time.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Yeah, you guys were awesome on that show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
So listen, I would love to get I think Steve
would be totally be down to do Friday, Baby Boy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
Are you guys back, because I thought you guys had
retired the show.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
No, my god, No, we've been going ever. We've been
going strong for No.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
We'll take a couple sometimes we'll take a week or
two off or a week off or whatever, but no,
we've been going strong. Right now, we're doing we're recording
our Jaws we're revisiting Jaws fiftieth anniversary. Yeah, we just
did nineteen seventy eight Superman with Vogel, So yeah, it's
strong francising three fourteens is on the satistical statistical side
of things, It's funny how the crime statistics in DC

(01:20:50):
go up when he's in town and down when he leaves.
I think there's something there.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
I mean, I actually heard a pundit that said specifically
him doing this yesterday, especially because everybody can point to
it and go, the numbers have actually been down. What
the hell are we turningving about? Yeah, you can turn
around after a week or two of it being like,
look at the numbers, they're so low. It's because we
sent him in, sent him in, and the numbers went down.
Nobody's ready for it, because clear because the problem is

(01:21:19):
he's just he's continuing to test the waters. Because the
other thing that got announced today was it's not just
that going on in DC, but putting a mandate in
to be able to uh mobilize the National Guard at
any moment's notice and have a response within an hour
for any sort of protest.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
Oh yeah, this is what he wants.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
He's so sensitive he's such a little, a little cry
baby that he needs to have a guards on hand
to go and counter any protest because he knows he's
getting smoked. He is getting some molked, and that's why
he's doing all of this authoritarian shit.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
And also to distract from the up STEM files. Yeah,
I know Cuomo's on there to release them. I'm planting
on there to burn him to. I don't get him.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
I agree with my favorite comment I think I saw
this week was oh, oh, and by the way, release
the Epstein files.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Just to everything. Oh and by the way, release the
Epstein files. It's so frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
A man, do it? Do it? Do it?

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Johnny Boy and Winston ranked these sports commentators from best
to worse. Mike Breen, Jim Nance, Ian Eagle, Kevin Harlan,
and Gus Johnson if you all know him, Eric Collins.

Speaker 1 (01:22:25):
I'm not familiar with Eric, but the other ones I
am am. I kind of need to see all that
in a row. Yeah, I can't, I can't, I can't.
Off the top of my head. Can you read the
one more time? And I'll just pick my favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
An my screen, Jim Nance, Ian Eagle, Kevin Harlan and
Gus Johnson. I guess Jim nance yeah, even though he's
like homes. Yeah, I think Nancy's number one as well.
Mike Breen is probably two, Gus three, Ian Eagle, and
then Kevin Harlan for Mink. I love Gus and people

(01:22:56):
too many people criticize Gus. Gus is amazing, Samuel says.
With the UFC signing a deal with Paramount, thoughts on
the UFC starting to become a Trump rally, with Trump
appearing a lot of the events and Dana White floating
the idea of an UFC event in front of the
White House signed a former UFC fan, Well, remember you know,
Paramount paid that or CBS paid that essential.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Bribe to alleged bribe to make the merger go through.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
So the guy who owns Paramount, Ellison, he is a
Trump supporter himself, So it makes sense that they would
sign a deal with UFC and all of this. They
want to be in business with that dude. So yeah,
I'm not surprised anything that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Ye, No, I'm not. I'm not surprised either. It is
what it is, man, I mean, look, you got that.
I think I'm more disappointed in the fact that it
sounds like NFL network is getting absorbed by ESPN or
something like that. And the only thing worse is because
ESPN just put out their betting platforms, so like it
makes things look worse and worse. I don't love it,
oh man.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
The more they go into betting, the more these like
look at how many athletes been caught in the last
few days.

Speaker 3 (01:23:59):
A few weeks Michael.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Porter Junia was on a damn podcast talking about how
he was like, you know, my cousin guy, you know,
like a thousand on me doing this and something like
that that and then you know, all of a sudden,
I got stomachache. Man, Like toda, everybody get a little bag.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
It's so stupid to me that these people who make
money off this bets, like these rich billionaires were part
of the NFL. The owners are sitting there chastising the
players who don't make anywhere near what these owners make
for doing these things or being tempted to do these things.
It's ridiculous, man. Anyway, Doug Developer says, hey, guys. Richard

(01:24:31):
Jefferson said on Garry Owens podcast they would never play
for the Jazz because Utah is the most boring state
if you were an NBA player, which three cities would
never would you never want to live in and play for?

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Are you crazy? I'm not answering that. What's wrong with that?

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
Essentially asks us to have fans in those cities hate
us for saying we would never want to be in
those seas.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
Didn't know the blood feud that was going on with
me in Oklahoma City? Do you remember that from Dame Time? Bro?
You forget so.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
After Sophie Cunningham for saying shit about Detroit and she
was like, I wasn't trying to say so, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
Well because well because what she said. And it doesn't
help that she is known as Maga Barbie bro like
like because people like had kind of called her out
on some stuff. It sounds like you should have said,
anybody's trying to play that black ass city Like that's bro,
that's kind of crazy. Like I don't know. I think
it's also different because we're not actually on sports teams.
So like, I'll answered enough in that I wouldn't. I

(01:25:30):
don't have an issue with Sacramento as a city, but
I would not want to live and play there just
because I have been a Sacramento a couple of times.
It reminds me a lot of Fort Worth. It's just
farm town. There's not much to do. So it's not
it's not because I'm like Sacramento. I just am like
if I'm gonna be in a city, and especially as
a celebrity, there's a certain level of like, yo, let

(01:25:51):
me be like the celeb of like even Cleveland a
little bit better than than Like I'm not trying to
play for no Browns, but I'll play for the Cavaliers
like that. That's kind of fine, you know what I'm saying,
Like that's that. It is what it is, Like, I'm
not trying to play in Jacksonville. Jacksonville there's too many
hurricanes and I've seen way too much just kind of
nonsense down there. But enough with the Florida, you know

(01:26:12):
what I mean? Miami, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like it just it just depends. It's it's it's again
for me. What can I do when said city?

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
I can tell you this, I'll just go in sports,
my sports teams. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
I would never want to live or play in Dallas
because I don't like the Cowboys. I'm a I'm a
Commanders fan. That's great, and Grain did in me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
Although I love that. Never mind, I'm not gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Mean I wouldn't want to play in Philly either, for
that the same reason, bro, New York York is fine,
like the DC is fine. I really wouldn't want to
play in Philly. I'm gonna be honest with you.

Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
I don't. I don't vibe with them burning cities down
when they.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Win, like eating horse crap when you win. And listen.
I went to Florida State, so I wouldn't want to
represent Gainesville as a.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
As a seminole. I wouldn't want as a Gator town.
So you know, that's as far as I'll answer that question,
because I think if you've got a city, if you've
got to see this, got a Target and a best
Buy and an Olive Garden, I'm set.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
I'm good. I don't need anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
That's my city. I got to run here in a minute,
but I'm dying. In some of these comments, someone goes
Sacramento Mills love the Brothers. I'm just saying. Somebody else said,
my friend losing Sacramento, make it sad. Sacramento noises.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
And then cow bells. Joyce Robert says, may the forced
me with you guys.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Have either of you played.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
Of the Old Republic?

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Is that what it is? I've played Knights of the
Old Republic, but I never played the MMO the Old Republic.
I heard it was good, but I just I didn't
have a PC at the time. Yeah, I think that
missed me at the time. I did not play it myself.
But thank you very much for the comment.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Joys Uh And whilst one here Chris Corcoran, did you
see Culomo had a secret call with Trump?

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Also I heard he might be in the Epstein files
of Winston reference. How long before the dem establishment endorses
Cuoma Man, I hope they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
They better not. I hope they do. They're gonna They're
gonna permanently lose like a generation of those voters. We
got the wrong people in charge of that that fucking party. Man,
like the wrong I told you. I'm as I'm I'm agist.
I'm tired of these old dudes that are not gals,
that are not going to be around. I'm making decisions
for the people that will be like just just taking
back cuts and making us look terrible worldwide for a

(01:28:20):
world they will in a country. They will not inherit.
We have to inherit their bs. We need to be.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Maga on the other side, So we need to have
aoc Jasmin Crockett Moscowitz and so I mean like the
other side. Like what I mean by that is that
Magag found these young people to roll through and get
into positions.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Well that's the anomaly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
But everyone else, right Steven Miller hag said, these are
younger people and they rolled into these positions.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Mtg Uh. They all rolled into these positions that have
gotten some words done.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
We need to get the young blood back involved in
the Democratic Party and in charge of it. And maybe
will lose an election, but we've lost in election many
times before as they age into their roles, but then
they'll be in powers.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
I understand what you're saying, but I caution about saying
we need to have an inverse maggot just for this
reason and this reason alone. One how many times have
we seen the movie, whether it be like Dune or
stuff in real life that you were attacked by the monster,
but then you become it. That's the last thing that
needs to happen.

Speaker 5 (01:29:23):
Well, I.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
Know what you're saying. I think the young blood thing
is spot off. But I'm not I'm not no, I'm
not trying to find the inverse Marjorie Taylor Green. That's
actually not something that I think is like a good thing.
I think the young energy. I think that people in
general need to look at every politician individually and see
what they actually stand for and what they actually do
and hold them accountable and nothing otherwise.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
So yeah, that's the way it should go.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Is the guy in Texas, the young kid in Texas.
I like that kid that bring him into the forefront
as well. We need youthful energy in the DEMN Party
and we need to be in motion on that. The
old bones need to roll on out of you, for
it's a drastic world is over. Get out of here,
all right, let's uh let's move on from there. Thank
you all so much for hanging out with us today.
We appreciate it, manly. Thanks for the stream lab is
super test. Thanks for the lively chat wins today. Always

(01:30:10):
fun to see you, man. Please let people know where
they can find you in case they haven't heard that
earlier today.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Absolutely see up top at the Swaggy Blur. That's all
platforms here, on YouTube, on Twitch, on social media. I'll
go ahead and post stuff that I've got going on
on social media so you can check it out. Again.
My relay out of the theater reaction should be out momentary,
probably first thing in the morning because I got to
head out to the to the Sparks game. But yeah,
just hit me up, come follow, and I'll see you
guys on the flip right there.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
Jamb said it perfectly well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
I think roka means someone aggressive and doesn't give a
fuck energy instead of these currents find list jellyfish, which.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
Which is which is fair? But the only thing is
that they're so I don't give a that they do
really dumb things. That's the only reason I'm always very careful.
I think we need to have people be passionate, but
I need people to use the proper judgment assessing these
politicians instead of just automatically giving them thumbs up. That's
a fair point, totally fair.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
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