Tony Gilroy Talks ANDOR vs ROGUE ONE, Mia Goth Cast in STARFIGHTER

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Thang.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Look at that simple and to the point. Our brand
new video intro for the Jedi Way. Welcome to this
brand new episode here on the Outlaw Nation. I am
John Roganoni's ro confed around these parts, joined is always
by these two wonderful people, and welcoming back to our
show after a little bit of time off. We're so
happy to have it back. Laura Kelly the cost forest

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spot and here. How are you, Laura?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm doing amazing. Thank you so much, you guys. I
appreciate the patience as I dealt with some family stuff,
and I really appreciate all of our listeners viewers who
reached out. I got a couple of really nice messages
from people, just shout outs being like, hey, but everything's okay.
That was really nice, really thoughtful that people take the
time to do that. I so appreciate it. But very

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very happy to be back back talking to Star Wars
with you guys. Have I bragged yet on this show
about how they filmed the Apple TV show Dark Matter
in front of my apartment? Sometimes I feel like I
did bring it up.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
At one didn't you say someone was running? One of
the actors was running running across yes.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Jeel, so I can bring it back to Star Wars
no matter what. But they were back filming today. Joel
Edgerton was not there, but Jennifer Calmy was out in
front of my apartment. It's just a fun, silly thing
that happens sometimes, and I love it. So that's what's
happening in my life today.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Thoughts on that new intro? Do you like it?

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Laura?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
What are you thought?

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I really liked it. I you had sent it to
us a couple of weeks ago, and I didn't expect
to see it here. I forgot that it was going
to be happening, so I am utterly delighted.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, it's awesome stuff. It's so great from our graphics
guy here in the Outlaw Nation. Incredible stuff that he's
doing with all the shows. Kevin Smet's also back again. Brother.
How are you? It's been a little bit. You're not
wearing the hat. You're just chilling out today. How are
you today? How are you?

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Brother?

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Well, I'm still waiting for my microphone stands, so I'm
rocking it like I'm singing karaoke and work.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
I'm so busy this week.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
I didn't even have time to set up my camera,
so I'm rocking the old school FaceTime camera. But happy
to see Laura here where. Actually we missed you to
deal with Frank all those weeks. Come on, man, oh
my god, don't do that's do us again, Laura.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Just kidding. We love you, Frank.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
But happy happy you're back, Laura, and excited to talk
a little War of the Stars.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
That's right, definitely, Yeah. Thank you to Frank. Danisher field
in admirably during the at the and Or reviews, and
he was really great. I'm sure we'll have him back
on the show schedule permitting and situations permitting, for sure,
But thank you to Frank. But we're very happy to
have Laura back here as the crew. The original crew
is back on the ship to have some fun talking
some Star Wars stuff. We're going to talk about some

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casting news. We'll talk about some possible who's replacing Kathleen
Kennedy news, some more and Or updates. Tony Gilroy can't
stop talking about and Or. There are so many things
to peace through and a little High Republic updates as
well going on, And if there's enough time, we might
give our thoughts on these new AI vlog videos. That
are going around with Star Wars stormtroopers telling us what's

(03:02):
going on at the Battle of Yavin while they're on
the ground there. So things of the Scott's here. We'll
see if we'll get to all of it on the show,
but we definitely got to start with this story here.
Mia Goth has been cast in Star Wars Starfighter, the
new film coming out from director Sean Levy. This is
on the heels of Mikey Madison Oscar winner mike Ye

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Madison turning down a role in the film. It wasn't
for creative purposes. Apparently, it wasn't a financial situation going
on there. But this film is coming out on May
twenty eight, twenty twenty seven, and the rumors are that
she will be playing a villain in the movie. So
Laura Kelly Miagoth of course ex pearl number of things there.
She's got a lot of credits that are slowly starting

(03:45):
to accumulate for her as an actress. What do you
think about her stepping in to play one of the
villains here in the Starfighter film.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
I think it's really exciting. It's great. I have not
actually seen anything that she's been in, but I read
this Numero article that came out about her where I
think I don't know if this was the thing that
announced that she was going to be in Star Wars,
but there's a great profile that they wrote on her
so that you can learn a little bit about her.
She's very like anti social media and selfie, anti like

(04:14):
shameless self promotion. So in an age where movie studios
I think, tend to go after actors who are more active,
who have a large following on things like Instagram, I
think that's a really refreshing announcement to get someone who's
flying a little bit more under the radar and to
give them, you know, a chance to show their acting jobs.

(04:34):
Although as I understand it, she's already shown off quite
a bit of skill in the things that she's been in.
She hasn't been acting for a terribly long time, but
apparently it's her career is off to a great start.
So I'm excited to see her in this.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah, the first thing I saw her in was The Tunnel,
This like awesome series with Clements, Poesy and the Gentleman
played Thomas Jair what's his name? Hold On?

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Let me Go?

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Stevin Delaye, Steve Lane from Game of Thrones. She was
in three episodes of that series and she was amazing.
Since then, she was in Infomaniac Volume two, The Care
for Wellness Suspiria Emma, which I thought was a really
good rendition of that story. Ex Pearl, Infinity Pool and Maxine.
And she has four projects coming out including what was

(05:19):
just previewed to Frankenstein trailer. She will be in Frankenstein
with Oscar Isaac there then, and she's in the Odyssey,
and of course she's in Blade if that ever gets done.
So those are now you had Star Wars. Those are
four incredible projects that she has in motion here for
her career. And she her first credit was in twenty thirteen.
As you said, Laura, pretty pretty fast ascension to already

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be part of these massive franchises. So, Kevin, what are
your thoughts on this? Do you like the idea that
Mia Gothis British actress is coming in to be a
part of this film with Ryan Gosling directed by Sean Leey.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Well, yeah, I mean the whole lack of social media.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
I don't know if you saw the news Laura, in
order to hire her with no social media logan Paul
is now going to play a Jedi knight in the movie.
Logan Paul and Jake Paul. They're playing Jedi brothers. It's
gonna be crazy.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
But so that's how we're gonna have the nonsose I mean, I.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Wouldn't put a paste lead to put the Paul brothers
in a movie.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
I would not put Probably listen, this is great.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Uh you know, I think that I don't know that
much about her as well, so it seems like she's
gonna be on the cuffs and we're gonna know a
lot more about her. She's British, so she's probably gonna
play a villain, right.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, that's the rumor, Yeah, that she's playing a villain.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
So yeah, all the Brits are villains and Star Wars, right,
so you gotta do it. But uh yeah, I'm excited
for it. I'm excited for Starfighter. I wonder if they're
gonna go like if they're gonna make I wonder if
this is like replacing the Patty Jenkins like uh Rogue
Squadron movie.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
You know, I wonder that too.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
Oh yeah, if we're gonna get shades of top Gun
in this one, because you know they're gonna probably lean
in on some of that stuff, and I could see
Ryan Gosling as being.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
A cool hot shot pilot.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
I'm excited. I'm and it sounds like they're gonna have
some tie insto the the Legacy characters, so yeah, bring
it on. I'm I'm also excited to just learn more
about this actress I have. I've seen Suspiria, but I
don't remember her, but I don't know if she was
like a large part in it or if it was smaller.
But yeah, I've been meaning to see Pearl, so maybe
that'll that'll kick start me.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I'm about to finish.

Speaker 4 (07:24):
I'm about to finish Lost, finally, finish finishing Lost finally
had no idea the show goes in such a time
travel crazy thing.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
That was nuts.

Speaker 4 (07:33):
But I know, I'm wait, I know, I'm caught up
on all the latest shows, obviously with Lost finishing Lost,
But anyways.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Yeah, I'm excited.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
I The Starfighter movie sounds like it's gonna be something fun.
What do you think, Roca, Like you're a little more
familiar with her.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Is she play bad? Is she's good at playing bad?

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Or if she's she's excellent. I just saw an interview
with her Robert Pattinson where they ask her if she's
a fan of the Twilight movies and she's like.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Liked them. My friends were into them more than I was.
They don't really speak to me. I'm not really into
the Lord of the Rings either, or so she meant
like three other massive brands. Oh, and said Harry Potter.
She's not really into Harry Potter. And Pattinson's like, oh, basically,
you're not in anything I'm in. Great, that's awesome to hear.
So I thought that was a very funny moment.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
Maybe she like Batman.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
She's just honest. You're right, she probably liked the Batman.
She's very honest, And I like that about her as
an artist, Like and she's not in a mean way,
and it's it's very you know, just kind of chilling.
She was trying to respect Robert's feelings and so I
like that she has this energy that she's very clear
about who she is. She's been in control of who
she is. She's composed at such a young edge for
what she wants to do. And you can tell that
she's an artist, especially doing these horror films, Like she

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goes to these really interesting places when you watch her performances.
So I like it. And again this film is like,
this film is getting a really strong cast to be
a part of it, So it's getting me more and
more excited. Look, going from Mikey Madison and me a
goth is not a step down. Those two are comparable
in terms of talent. One just has an Oscar for
now then the other one doesn't. But they're both pretty

(09:03):
good actresses. So I'm excited that this is what they
wanted to do with this role. They knew they wanted
to bring somebody with depth and complexity to play this role,
you know, and we saw that recently with Vana Sakno,
another fantastic actress, and we'll see what she's going to
do with Megan two point zero. But I liked what
she did with Ahsoka in season one, so to me,

(09:24):
I like that they're minding the depths of these really
good actresses to bring them in. Another thing I want
to talk about here with this, Kevin, I'll go back
to you on this. The report talking about Starfighter says
that it quote, it does involve Gosling playing a character
that must protect a young charge against evil pursuers and
Jeff speculated on the Hot Mic that this young Charge

(09:45):
could be Gosling's character's nephew, and there's even rumors that
this could connect up to the Ray movie possibly. So
what do you think about this, that this is the
angle they're going with, possibly that he is a Gosling
is in essence tecting his young Charge against these evil
Sith who might be coming after this nephew because he's
for sensitive in some way and could change the balance

(10:08):
of the universe.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Well, this this is gonna be the first movie coming
out after Mandalorian and Grogu right.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Yes, I think so.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yes, So this will be.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
The first post episode nine movie coming out. And I
think it's a safe thing. I think they're doing kind
of what Disney did probably with the Mandalorian show, which
when they were like, let's get this cool, badass character
and then expand around him. Yeah, and now, if people
really respond to Ryan Goslin's character and this little and
this mission, it doesn't need to be that's that's their

(10:35):
way to be, like, you know, you know, now, let's
kind of ease people back into the idea of Ray,
Like if this movie kicks ass, let's say and raise
and the don of it or something because the nephew
or niece gets delivered to the Jedi or whatever show. Yeah,
it's just an easy way to like kind of reintroduce people.
I think maybe they with good reason. They might have
been scared off by just let's do a Ray movie

(10:57):
because Ray's so divisive, right like unfortunately, Like there's some
people that hate her, some people that love her, and
that's just how fandom is right now. And so them
kind of easing into a larger narrative by starting small
like the Mandalorian grogu. Now you're gonna have Ryan Gosling
and probably which I'm sure is going to be a
very riveting character that has to protect if Jeff's correct.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
So I'm all for it. How about you, Laura.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
I don't know if I have too much to add
to that. I'm mildly interested in this movie. I'm excited
to see Ryan Gosling and Star Wars, but I'm sort
of keeping all my expectations reserved at this point, which
I think is kind of the way to go when
it comes to Star Wars films.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
But Laura, do you think they're trying to have their
cake and either too, because they're trying to say that
this is a they're saying this is a standalone film.
This is what Sean Leevy said at Star Wars celebration
in Japan and April. It's not a prequel, not a sequel.
It's a new adventure. It's set in a period of
time that we haven't seen explored yet yet. As Kevin
just speculated, a lot of people are thinking that if
this is the thing with Lee, that Ryan Gosling is

(11:59):
protecting a young charge against evil pursuers, that he's going
to be delivering him to raise new Jedi orders. So, yes,
it's a standalone, not a pregewer sequel, but it still
is connected to the overall story of Star Wars, and
it's rumored to be set five years after the end
of Rise of Skywalker. So what are your what do
you do? You think they're trying to have their cake

(12:20):
and eat it too earlier a little bit, Laura, And
is this what they have to do now because people
have such strong feelings about this sequel trilogy.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, I mean I think that's a valid speculation. I
also think that this is one of those things that
we speculate now in like three years now, we're going
to be laughing, be like, what the hell are we thinking?
There's no way they were ever going to do that.
So I don't I don't know. I think that that
would that would really defeat the purpose of being like
this isn't connected of saying this is a standalone film.
I think that they're really trying to get away from

(12:48):
maybe doing the multiple episode and committing to doing a
long term story like that. And I can totally see
why after the sequel trilogy. So they're saying that and alone,
I'm going to take about their word for it for now.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Okay, all right, fair point, fair point. Well, so we'll see,
we'll see what happens. Is more news and more stories
and to come out on this for sure, and if
this thing happens, as Laura said, cautiously optimistic, but we'll
see because we know the history of Star Wars film
is being announced at what happens afterwards. Well, let's move
on to another bigger story here, and Kevin, I want
to get your thoughts on this. So THHR had did

(13:24):
a massive breakdown of ascendency in Hollywood and how certain
companies are dealing with older people who are in charge
being moved out of those positions or stubbornly holding onto
those positions or undercutting the people come in to try
to take those positions. That Bob Iger, Bob Chatemit thing

(13:45):
was talked about, CIA was talked about. But then there
was a paragraph here speaking about Lucasfilm and they mentioned
that according to their sources, that Dave Filoni and Carry
Beck are the on the inside track here to take
over for Kathleen Kennedy. It would essentially be a James
Gunn Peter Saffern situation where they would take over for Kathleen.

(14:07):
But of course, Kathleen Kennedy has said that she is
going to stay on producing the films and certainly we
have man Lauri and Grogu. She will be involved in
the Sean Levy Starfighter film that we just talked about.
She said that she will be executive producing of producing
the Simon Kimbrig trilogy. So do you like this idea
and what do you think about almost like an unofficial

(14:27):
three headed monster here in charge of Lucasfilm.

Speaker 4 (14:31):
You know what that reminds me of more than the
DC situation is the studio it was seth rogen you
Catherine O'Hara's character pushed out. But then I'm still gonna produce,
still going to produce movies and stuff, and seth Rogen
takes over, which would be Dave Filoni.

Speaker 3 (14:50):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
I think Uh, for me, I mean, I'm gonna add
a little more to it, give me, give me a second.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Come on, broke, Oh it makes my studio efforts. First.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
I'm just not as interested in a lot of these
behind the scenes like machinations, like.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Uh, pretty much are that word wrong?

Speaker 4 (15:11):
Only because there are so there's so much hate out
there for Kathleen Or and there's hate for Boloney, and
you know, no one can enjoy one thing without hating
on the other. So like and Or fans, I saw
a meme where it was talking about like and Or
is Star Wars and Ahsoka is Felony Star Wars. So like,

(15:31):
if Filony takes over, people are worried that we're never
gonna get real gritty like not gritty, I don't like
that word, but like real stories like like and Or. Right,
So I think a lot of people going and this
and another example of why I'm so tired of the back,
behind the scenes machinations machinations. Machinations is the whole and
you're talking to a Snyder fan here, Uh, the whole.

(15:54):
Hate a lot on Superman before the movies come out
because of the Man of Steel Diehard's I love Henry Cavill,
He'll always be Superman to me, but I'm going to
give the new one a shot, right, So.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
Yeah, And there's a lot of vitriol before that movie
even comes out.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
So unfortunately, these these behind the scenes things I don't
really take too much stock of anymore, Like, let's just
see the let's just see the proof of the pudding.
My only commentary on Folony is I do like him.
I do think that he is a student of George Lucas.
I had heard rumors confirmed by more than one person
of people we know from the Shmowdown that Folony is

(16:26):
not a fan of the Ko Tor era, the Code
Tor story. So that kind of is a bummer for me.
If Feloney were to take over, That's like if you
have a favorite player on a team, but you know
the new coach coming in doesn't like that player that
you're that player is probably gonna say bye. So but
I do like what Foloni has done. Clone warld's Clone
Wars is some of my favorite storytellings. So I'm sorry

(16:48):
that I can't be more committal on an opinion of it.
I'm just so tired of the behind the scenes things.
People aren't giving James Gunn a shot. People never gave
a lot of people didn't give Snyder a shot. And
Kathleen Kennedy got a lot of hate during Acolyte, but
then she gets loved during and or So It's like, geez,
I don't you know what I mean, I don't care
who has.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
The big office the corner office. Just get some Star
Wars content out there.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Yeah, I mean looking at the courte here, Laura or
the blur, there's only one paragraph. It was a massive article,
but this is only the one paragraph here, and it's Sims.
The current thinking is a scenario or Chief Curative Officer
Dave Filonian production of Carrie Beck. Both Lucasfilm vets take
co head roles and even as an arm of Disney
Lucasfilm remains of any Ways, his family business, George Lucas
part a Filoni long has been considered a golden boy,

(17:32):
but the knock against him as Kevin was kind of
referencing is that he might be too steeped in Star
Wars Laura and risks steering a show into dense mythology
that loses a broader audience. He's not the and Or guy,
He's the Ahsoka guy, says one Disney insider. Beck, who
joined the company in twenty twelve, knows the ins and outs,
but neither she nor Felonia as much film experience, which
could be mitigated by Kennedy's continued presence as a producer

(17:54):
on a certain Star War on certain Star Wars projects,
ensuring quality control in the short term. So, yeah, it
would be in essence a three headed monster. And Carrie
Beck and Dave Felony, as Kevin was mentioning these titles,
they have worked together on numerous animated projects, So you're
not getting Carrie Beck coming from one area and Dave
Filoni coming from another, so you're covering all the bases.
You're essentially hiring the Dave Filoni team to take over

(18:17):
with Kathleen Kennedy there as maybe a sounding board or
a gentle guider of them as they take over. So
what are your thoughts on this? Do you like the
idea that they would take over and b what do
you think about this unofficial three headed monster in control
of Disney still?

Speaker 1 (18:32):
You know, I mean, three headed monster is such a
negative way to think about it. I have a much
more positive outlook on it. I think actually in beautiful
that Isn't that a nice image? And not even retely scary.
So I have said this before and I'll say this again.
I don't think Filoni belongs in a boardroom. I think

(18:52):
that they're putting a Chilke caller on him, and I
think that's holding him back as an artist and as
a storyteller. I think Carrie Beck is a very natural
choice to move into that role. So I'm trying to
come around to this idea that I'm trying to be
more open minded about it. You don't like take traditionally
in corporate structure. I think you don't take the guy

(19:14):
that is drawing cartoons on napkins in his spare time
and on airplanes and put that guy in like the
CEO role. That's not traditionally how it works, really, But
I'm trying to wrap my mind around it in a
way of like, but what if you did what if
you did do that?

Speaker 3 (19:32):
What if it?

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Like would that be the worst thing to like try
it out, number one. It just it's definitely not a
traditional route, but maybe it'll work. I'm trying to like
be more positive about the potential of that. I also
wonder though, if, like that idea of having the two
of them in place is sort of to prevent carry
back from becoming Kathleen Kennedy punching bag two point zero,

(19:54):
Like yeah, yeah, bringing a polony in is like hopefully
going to quash some of that, and maybe that would
be a good move. So you can't go carry back
for some creative decision that you don't like without also
going after Dave Filoni and a lot of these dudes.
And it is a lot of dudes that are shouting
about how Kathleen Kennedy is the worst thing to happen
to Star Wars and s Medichlorians. Those same dudes are

(20:16):
the ones that are calling for Dave Filoni to be
in charge. So I think it's a really good strategic
move in terms of like publicity and trying to like
get some of the like YouTube hate out of Star
Wars and tamp some of that down. But at the
same time, I'm like, I just don't know, if you
want Dave Filoni like in a choke caller like that,

(20:38):
I think you want him being the creative guy. I
think that's a good role that he suited for, and
it gives him more opportunity to be a storyteller rather
than sticking him in a corner office and throwing him
to the board to answer questions and putting him at
the mercy of Bob Eiger and people like that. Like,
I don't know if that's really the correct role for him,

(20:59):
but who knows. Maybe maybe I'm wrong, maybe it'll work
out for the best.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
And just to give Laura's comments some context, I mean,
Laura works outside of doing the show with us and
for Stares, but she works for you know, a company.
In a business, there's there's a hierarchy, there's a board,
there's all these kinds of things. So she's speaking from experience,
having seen and experienced this in real life as opposed
to some of us, who you know, have not been
in that kind of situation ever before. So I think

(21:25):
your points you're making are valid. And I kind of
was half thinking this already. With the carryback situations, they
probably see Kerry as the natural next choice to lead
Star Wars. She's young, she's hungry, she's got a lot
of experience being in the franchise. But Filoni is kind
of like a shield. Now, it doesn't mean that he's
not gonna do stuff. Of course he's going to do stuff.
But maybe it's Carrie who's really in the boardroom. Carrie

(21:47):
who's doing the CEO stuff, Carrie who's doing the front
facing stuff and dealing with all the like the parks
and stuff. Because as a CEO, you're not just going
you know what, I'm just gonna you know, we're just
gonna line up projects. No, you're gonna be dealing with
all kinds of demands on the Star Wars franchise. There's
so much Kathleen Kennedy dealt with that, like ninety five
percent of it has not been seen by people. What

(22:07):
she does behind the scenes to make this franchise run.
It's beyond just the creative stuff. And so how much
of that is felony, As you said, does Filony have
an interest in let alone in ability to do it?
And so maybe Carrie fills those holes in a way,
and Dave being a part of it, of course is
going to be involved. Of course, is going to give
creative input, of course, is going to guide Star Wars,
but he's also in a way providing a shield, as

(22:29):
you said, for carry back, because it'll divert some of
the hate away from Carrie. But you know, people, as
Kevin mentioned, are starting to develop some matred towards felony.
You're seeing the Star Wars fandom barn on folony as well.
So I think it's damned if you do it, damned
if you don't. Situation as it keeps growing, and the
fact that Kathleen is still going to be there provides

(22:51):
these people with the ammunition, all the ammunition they need
for any future Star Wars projects to stumble or fall
coming out of the gates, they'll just turn to Kathleen again.
So I don't know that this solves anything necessarily, but
you hope it could lead to a turning of the
corner with some of the stuff. Well what do you think, Kevin,
of anything? I just kind of threw out here.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, sorry, I got to be honest.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
I got a little a couple of work things that
I was kind of doing on the background, not that
I but in the background.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I do understand and I do think that with Felony.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
I really like what Laura had to say about you know,
a guy riding on a napkin. He's a dreamer, he's
a storyteller, and if he starts having to make board
meetings all the time, that could seriously affect what he
dreams up next, you know, and whether you love him
or hate him. And for some of the recent stuff
he did, like he did give us one of the
most beloved characters with Ahsoka, So I'd want to see

(23:45):
more of that and.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Less of him having to side budgets and all that.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
You know.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Well, I guess we'll see how James Gun's doing because
he has a lot of those responsibilities too, I would assume,
and he was able to balance directing a movie, right, Like,
we'll see he's kind of like the test run.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, and certainly the reactions I've been certainly interesting over
the last few months over that, And of course we're
recording this as a new trailer for Superman dropped earlier
today and got a lot of conversations going as well,
So I mean, we'll see what happens. There were rumors
that she was going to leave in August. Now there
are rumors that will be the end of the year,
but whenever it happens, it's clear that even the trades

(24:24):
are on this train, basically indicating that she is going
to step down very soon, probably sometime in twenty twenty five,
and we'll see what the succession protocol is after that. Well,
let's go from this to something a little bit another
thing that's coming in twenty twenty five. That's a pretty
big deal for a few of us here on the show,
but certainly a specific person that's Kevin Spth Kevin, there's

(24:47):
something going on in your world here. What do you
want to say about it? What can you do? I'm
gonna give you the floor here, solo layout going, oh,
full screen, Yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
One time I don't have my good camera. Look at
this she's look.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
I look like I'm broadcasting from aol Or Prodigy nineteen
ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
I'll meet you in the chat room. One brought Piece,
One brought Conquest.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Now the goals win the finals? What happens did the
bill when they win three in a row? What happens?
Let us know?

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Coming from the nineties anyway, the oddly specific nineties reference.
I was at a club once in Vegas and I
ran into Jim Kelly and Jim Everett, and they were
both really nice.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
So I feel bad for Jim.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Kelly because because you can call it in college.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
Can we talk? Should you put the thing up? I
sent you a thing. Put the thing up. I don't
want to see my face.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Okay, I'll put it up.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
Go Tour Convergence finally coming out. One brought Piece, One
brought Conquest. Now both must save the universe. Let me
just give you a quick rundown. The Guy on the
Left is my logan star. I've been doing Kotor movies
for the better part of almost two decades at this point.
Two thousand and six was the first movie The Guy
on the Right. That is a character named Dan Castra.
There was a fan of my original movies that when

(26:05):
he was young, and then when he grew up to
become he basically grew up watching my movies. He started
his own fan movies called Knights of the Old Republic
based on it, and he had his character go fully dark.

Speaker 3 (26:16):
So to give it a to.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Equate to what casual fans would see, imagine a movie
where light side Anakin at the height of the Clone
wars good guy Anakin squared off against an alternate universe
dark side Anakin. Let's say Mustafar Anakin. How would they interact?
What kind of conversations would they have? Because they both
are the same person essentially, So it's our way of
it's our love letter for Kotor and the game Knights

(26:39):
of the Old Republic, because you could play as a
good guy, you could play as a bad guy, and
everything in between. In his movie, he killed beloved nice
characters that in my movie were some of his best friends.
So what's gonna happen when he interacts with this guy
and he finds, Hey, where are these guys?

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Like?

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Where are they?

Speaker 4 (26:55):
And he has to find out that, you know, his
companions were murdered in his timeline, and how are they
gonna call it? Because they're gonna have to come together
because the log line is one brought piece, one conquest.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Now both must save the universe. So we obviously have
a bigger batty.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
So it becomes kind of a fun buddy cop movie
almost in the way too, a.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Lot of callbacks to both movie Saugust and the game.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
It's a love letter and it's thank god I have
an easy url now www dot revinmovie dot com.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
First of all. I don't know how I got it.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
If Filoni does end up liking Kotor and wants to
buy or wants to do a Reven movie, they might
have to call me if they want that domain.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
I might make a little cash there.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
You want the revenmovie at domain but revinmovie dot com
go there now, it's gonna automatically just link it to
my YouTube channel. Go ahead and subscribe this Saturday. It's
at two pm Pacific, five pm Eastern. I know it's
on Father's Day weekend. It's probably gonna beautiful weather, so
West Coast you might have to catch it later, but
it's gonna be a live screening. A lot of the

(27:54):
filmmakers are from overseas, so we wanted to have it
to where they can enjoy it as well and not
have to do it at midnight.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
So it's airing a lot. It's gonna air a premiere.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
On my channel at revnmovie dot com and you can
watch it with the filmmakers. There's a lot of fans,
there's a lot of hype if you see my channel already.
We've done into the into the Spider Verse type recaps.
Remember in the end of Spider Verse, Oh, let me
get this. Let me tell you who's the only Spider Man.
I'm the only Spider Man from the movie. We do
those kind of things with the Kota characters and stuff
like that, and yeah, I don't want to go on

(28:23):
too much longer, but I will say that it's been
three years in the making and I'm gonna be glad
when the production is over.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
We're doing the final mix right now.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
My friend Brian Ditminico, who's done audio mixing for the
Mass Effect games Mass Effect two, and he's doing other
I can't really he's doing another big Triple A game
right now.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
He's doing audio paths on the on the mix.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
So shout out to them and the team including Darth Farkore,
the co director Brandon Twig, who does a lot of
the magic of what you're gonna see in the in
the version in the game, the writer Greg Mitchell, and
then our CG Chris Burning Effects, Burning Earth Chris, who
does a lot of CG. Some of the TT's so good,
like out like shines the old video game because remember

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we're using the video game engine as the storytelling device.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
So it's exciting. Thanks for letting me have the floor
with that.

Speaker 4 (29:10):
Three years in the making, and it releases this Saturday,
June fourteenth, two pm Live Pacific, five pm Eastern, ten
pm if you're overseas for the big you know, near
ten pm screening, and it's it's soon and a half hours,
and it's a fun movie. It's it's a love letter
if you like the games, it's a love letter to that.
For you guys, I don't know, if you're that familiar
with the games, you probably be lost from frame one.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
So maybe you wait.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Maybe you wait a little bit and I'll catch up
the speed. But that's it.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
And also read the plagas novel Laura, Oh my god, can't.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Get can't get past an episode without a.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Mention of course I should have done that full screen.
What am I thinking?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
I'm just gonna watch everything you needed to know about
Kotor before you watch this video. I'm just gonna find
a bunch of videos like that.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
So there you go.

Speaker 4 (29:54):
And I will be running a theater out in probably
in the fall when most of the cast and crew
can be there. Maybe Broka, I can I can pull
your arm and we'll road trip up there and watch it.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Let me know, or you can fly out for.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
It and on the plane. You could read Plagus while
you're flying over to watch the cochar movie.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
It's perfect. Chicago to La is not six hours. What
do you tell it's a long novel anyway, all right, anyway,
so we congratulations Kevin, that's awesome. Tell them again June
fourteenth at two PMPT eleven. What time again?

Speaker 4 (30:24):
Two pm Pacific, five pm Eastern, four pm Central or
Mountain one of those.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
I don't know, you'll figure it out.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Just go to that channel rebnmovie dot com and Faloney
or Disney Kathleen Kennedy.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
If you want that url, you're gonna have to.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
I'll send you my Venmo throw down for it.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
It looks awesome, what a great, great look it has
to it, Kevin so excited. You know a lot of
people talk about these the Star Wars films, these Star
Wars films on YouTube and other places on social media.
As AI gets strong and stronger, people will want to
maybe turn to some of these filmmakers. So we may
be looking at a future Star Wars filmmaker. And Kevin
Smet's on the screen right now. So who knows, the

(31:08):
world's a crazy place. You never know. Speaking of crazy list,
we wanted something Kevin wanted to talk about a little
bit as well. And that's Tony Gilroy here in his
comments around and Or Rogue one. I mean, he's he
has not stopped talking since the end of and Or
season two, has done a number of interviews. If you
haven't watched his interview for The New York Times, that
was one of my favorite conversations that he had as

(31:28):
the as the guy was trying to undercut his point
of his show completely, and Tony just definitely batted him
away and batted him around, and in the end came
out looking fantastic. And so there's so much he's been
talking about. But one of the things he talked about
here is Rogue one. And there's an interview he did
with I think it was with Colleider and they were

(31:49):
talking about he said Rogue one. No, sorry, it was
only Sad Sad Happy said Confused podcast with Josh Horowitz,
and when he was talking about Rogue one, he said
Rogue one. It was like, quote, there's a corpse on
the table, what are you gonna do? Could someone come
in and save it? It doesn't help to be a
fan of Star Wars at that point, I had to
be ruthless, so essentially implying that he had to be

(32:10):
ruthless Kevin here as he dealt with Rogue one. So
you had issues with this? What are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (32:16):
What are you feelings on this? I can't hear you
give mute.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Interesting it's like my first time here and I'm holding
the micle like open mic night. Hey, what's the deal?
They're lying peanuts? I look, you either die here or
you live here long.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Enough to see yourself become a villain.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
We're all on the Tony Gilroy we loved and or
in fact, that's probably a good seguay to find out
what Laura thought about andrewerp will we will, I will say,
like it seems like he's going out of his way
to like separate himself, that he didn't like Star Wars,
which didn't do with a lot of favors to a
lot of people.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
They don't want to hear that, even if even.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
If it's true, and like shitting onto another per since
art whether whatever you want to think about Rogue one
and how it was. We don't know what it was
like when it was out of corpse at the table,
but to call someone's art, something that they like, worked
on for months and months and years and call it
a corpse just because you're riding high on everybody's loving
and or, like everyone's loving and or and no one's

(33:17):
loving and or more than Tony Gilroy at this point.
And Tony Gilroy, I don't think you need to do that.
I don't think there's a room at the top for everyone,
you know, And I think that him doing that undercuts,
you know, the hard work from the Rogue One crew
Gareth Edwards like.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Rub me the wrong way and what do you guys
think like that?

Speaker 4 (33:35):
I just it's not like, oh, I'm turning on Tony
Gilroy and I'm not.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
I'm just like, come on, like, we don't we don't
need to do that.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
And you know, I don't like when I see in
sports when other athletes are running other ones down, either,
especially when I like, if I like Tony Gilroy, so
it's kind of like I want him to be better,
you know.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Okay, I'm glad you shout it out the crew, because
that was gonna be my I was gonna like it
wasn't just Garet Edwards that made that corpse elech of
like that was the whole gigantic number of people that
put heart, in, sweat and blood into making that movie
that he just like dropped a douce on. So I

(34:11):
don't I don't care for the language that he used
in that at all. I love what Rogue One ended
up being. Yeah, and obviously it made a ton of
money for for Disney, but that that rubbed me the
wrong way too. I don't. I don't care for that
him talking about the movie in that sort of way.
And yeah, I know that he like he gets, he needs,

(34:32):
he deserves his flowers for making Rogue one what it was,
but it wasn't just that wasn't sole a project of his,
and yeah, there was a lot of work that went
into it that before that, and that just makes me
mad to hear him kind of talking shit like that.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Fair points. Yeah, this is what Gilroy is. You know,
he's going to speak his mind on these things. But
I agree with you guys, like a little bit of
care and attention, because honestly, he didn't right Rogue one
from the beginning. A lot of the Rogue one stuff
was already in motion and he came in to polish
it up, and this is what ended up leading to

(35:09):
him being able to do and Or right. So yes,
was he right? Did he come in and possibly save
Rogue one for sure? And then boom that blossomed into
and Or, which is amazing, So clearly he was the
right choice to fix that film. By the way, no
one's going to give Kathy Kennedy that much credit for that,
which is really frustrating because that was an amazing decision
by her to bring him in and it worked out.

(35:29):
Film made as Laura said, it made a billion dollars,
which was an amazing thing for a film that's not
even one of the one of the installments of a trilogy.
But I agree the word the words he chose to
use were a bit insensitive. I guess is the word
I would use there, Because you're right Gareth Edwards and
others who is still working, by the way and being

(35:50):
and doing stuff. It seemed like he was saying the
film was just dead and if it wasn't for him,
it would never have probably achieved the things that it
could that it did achieve. So it's good to be
in love with yourself. It's not always good to tell
everyone how much you're in love with yourself. Do you
know what I'm saying, like, there's a there's a balance
you have to strike, and there's a very easy or
simple fix where he could have said, well, I loved

(36:12):
what Gareth had done up to this point. There just
needed to be a little bit of massaging on my
end and I was happy to be able to contribute.
And the end result is definitely a work from both
of us. And that's it. And you just make it
very clear, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Goes out You should have you should have seen the
corpse that was Convergence before I came into it was
just a erotting corpse.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Come Like, I can't even imagine that. Like, I love
the people that I work with, like, and I don't know.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Maybe we don't know what happened behind the scenes obviously,
but right, right, but we do know Tony Gilroy did
rob us of that excellent shot of Jinner So facing
down with a tie fighter on the platform from the trailer.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
If you remember that. If there's one shot I miss
seeing in the movie, it's that shot, Like I watched
the trailer sometimes us for that shot.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
I do that one, and then uh, I don't like
that one too much. I think that's a little over
the top.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
But the remember the.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
I don't know, but remember the shot of.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Them running on the ground in the sand that was
that was gone too because and if you see she
has the data tapes, it's like she was running from
that thing to another place or whatever. They probably cleaned
up a lot of like, oh, you don't need to
go from here to the air, like let's keep.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Them up on the platform and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
Right, But I think in the tie Fighter scene Roca,
it was supposed to be Krenick flying the tie Fighter.
Like then you're starting to get into like, you know,
a little ridiculous. I think it's Krenic in the tie
Fighters squaring off against in the original. I could be wrong,
by the way flame me in the comments if you want,
but that is ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
So maybe you know what, maybe look up real quick right.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Awesome, you know, Gilroy said, if you look at Rogue,
all the difficulty world, all the confusion, all the mess,
and in the end, when you get in there, it's
actually very very simple to solve. So yeah, he's got
a very high opinion of himself. And look when the
results are positive, it's kind of hard not to say
to the guy you got to stop being this way
when the end results are very beloved by a lot

(38:09):
of people. Before we go back into more of Tony
Gilroy's comments, Kevin kind of tease this, So let's get
into Laura's thoughts. Laura, we didn't hear from you over
the last few weeks because of course family stuff that
you were handling. But what are your thoughts on Rogue? Sorry?
On and Or season two? I think I'll also give
you the floor here, Laura, your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Oh, we a better full screen on her than me.
Let's be honest, so let.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Me Okay, So I actually really enjoyed and Or season two,
and that might surprise some people because I did not
have really strong feelings about season one. Yeah, in fact,
I was mostly underwhelmed by it. But season two, I
mean they sort of had me from the get go.
We talked a lot when I was in the I
was able to join you all for the review. For

(38:56):
the first three episodes, I loved all them. On moth miasseduff.
I thought the wedding stuff was really cool and a
really interesting in opposition to what was going on with
the Ferrik's crew. But for the most part, I was
overall pleased. I thought that a lot of the real
world tie ins, A lot of it felt very familiar
to sort of what has been going on. And we

(39:17):
talked a little bit about this offline, but it just
was actually kind of amazing to see some of that
stuff playing out in this show, reflecting a lot of
what we're seeing. And I'm like, how could Tony Giler
I have known a lot of the things that we're
dealing with in this administration in the United States and
put together the show that he did in and Or?

(39:40):
It was? I guess in some ways, a lot of
it has been predictable, but it was really remarkable to me.
I think the what they pulled off and the fact
that it was as expensive as it was. I mean
that goes back I'll think a little bit too, not
just Tony Goer, but also to like Kathen Kennedy and
the people who signed off on making that happen. Wudn't
have gotten that show without those higher ups approving those

(40:04):
budgets and everything that that and Or cost. But I
overall really enjoyed it. I obviously, I mean, everybody has
their nits. One of my biggest knits is the bix
and Cassie and Romance I thought ended up being like
really useless overall. And I thought I thought for a
long time while I was watching season two that Bix

(40:26):
was being underused, and I still feel that way. I
think that character was so like criminally underutilized. I mean,
she had this like drug addiction at one point, and
that story went nowhere, like and then she just kind
of disappeared and that was it. And yeah, we got
the little teas at the end, like whatever. Like overall,

(40:47):
I the.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Mother of Ryan Goslin's character and Starfighter.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Spread rumors, Now, yeah, I thought that was unfortunate sort
of that her story seemed to be one that got
neglected in the grand scheme of things. And yeah, I
don't know. But beyond that though, and I overall really
enjoyed it. I wish that they could have slowed down
actually and been able to let some of those stories

(41:15):
and character arcs breathe a little bit more. It all
felt very rushed, but I get that they had They
had to do what they had to do in a
small amount of time, and they made it work as
best they could.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Yeah. Yeah, well, Kevin, any thoughts on Laura's comments on.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
No I'm glad to hear that she liked it.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
That's great.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
So we were we were thinking of you the whole time,
but I know you're going through shit.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
I didn't want to text.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
You and be like, dude, the Battle of the Gorman massacre,
What did you think going through your own you know, pain.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I guess that's a good question Laura to how did
you feel they handled the Gorman thing? Did you like
the way that progressed? And then those three episodes? Is
that some of the greatest, as people like me and
other people have said, is that some of the greatest
Star Wars we've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
I thought it was really remarkable. I thought it was
amazing to watch the way that they built the tension,
in the way that it sort of the way that
they took out Cyril, I thought was just amazing. I
thought it all worked really really well. But yeah, it's
been It's so interesting to sit and watch it. When
you hear people, you know, in those scenes like shouting

(42:20):
the Galaxy is watching, I'm like, I've been at protests
where people have signs that say history has its eyes
on what we're watching now, and it all feels very
connected to what's going on now and I don't know,
And I think it makes me feel a little bit
more connected to every to the world, into this country,

(42:41):
and to the other people that are fighting against all
of the horrendous things that are happening. When we get
to see things like this in the media, I think,
you know, we get to connect with the fandom in
that sense, but it also connects me to the real
world fallout that we're seeing too, so and yeah, that's
heavy to deal with, but it also just makes me
feel like sort of heard and understood in a lot

(43:04):
of ways that I really appreciated. So it was really
hard to watch and absolutely brutal, but I think that
it's maybe one of the most important Star Wars stories
that's ever been told.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yeah, if not the most.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Important, real quick, the greatest.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
The greatest scene in All Star Wars ever, obviously was
when Anakin feeds Pad made the peach across the table
and attack of the Clones.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Care.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
I would like to ask you, guys, though, real quick,
pair sorry space.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
Oh, surrender the belt, Render the belt?

Speaker 3 (43:42):
What I will?

Speaker 4 (43:43):
What is your favorite three minutes of All Star Wars.
I know it's tough, I'm put on the spot. I
could just tell you mine, and it's Yoda lifting the
X Wing out of the swamp and saying, I don't
believe it.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
That is why you fail. That is my favorite three
or four minutes of Star Wars.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
If you guys are real quick, just off hand, if
you guys could remember, and it could be something from Andor,
or if you guys can nail it down, what your
favorite three or four minutes are. I'd love to hear
in the comments too, for the fans what your favorite
three or four minutes are. But what about you if
you gounder your head, Roco, what's your favorite three or
four minutes.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Star Wars Ley in the Bikini. No, I'm joking. My
three favorite three minutes I don't know, to be honest
with you, I mean the entire Gorman battle from the
opening to the end is.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
That's That's fair. You can do a longer.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
One more than three minutes, but that is an amazing
sequence that I never thought I would see in Star Wars.
Just never you know. I said this in our review, Kevin.
I'm not sure if Flora saw, but like in twenty fifteen,
I said this on Far Far Away when I fell
into this fucking career. I was like, listen, I want
to see a darker Star Wars that shows you what

(44:51):
it would really be like to live under the Empire's rule.
And we finally got to see that. We all stripped
away all the comic comedic moments or the quips or
the banter or the heroic. It was brutal. It was honest,
and it was ugly. And as Laura said, as we're
looking out currently at in LA in other cities and
watching those protests, you can't help but feel that Tony

(45:13):
Gilroy was making a commentary, almost a prescient commentary. You
could argue at the things that are happening now from
the false narratives that they planned to do from episode
one forward to what it all led to, and it
was because there was an ulterior motive, and a lot
of people suspect there's ulterior motives to what's going on
with these with these protests and these and the what

(45:34):
the government is trying to do here, and so you
see that connective tissue through it. So I would argue
that is them, but I would, But my follow up
is is I don't I don't want to do this again.
But Luke and his dad like at the end that
that destroys me every time. That's as strong as Dad
you want to catch and field of dreams. For me

(45:55):
as a dude, watching that and having him say you,
having him say you were right, having him say you
were right, it's like, that's devastating, that's amazing, you know,
And so for me that gets me every time. So
I would argue that that's probably my favorite three minutes,
if not the most spectacular.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
That's not the most spectacular, but it's the one that's
on rushmore.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
We should have ended with you, damn it.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
Oh follow that, Laura, follow that.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
It's not it's not the pair. Okay.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
So there.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I can't pinpoint like an exact three minutes, so I'm
gonna do two in the In My first one is
that like it's somewhere in the realm of live action
Bocatan is like, yeah, oh my peak ship. I just
absolutely love it. I don't know if there's an exact
three minute moment I can pinpoint, but I absolutely love that.
And I I remember watching it and just thinking like

(46:51):
I never thought I would see this, and it's just incredible. Yeah.
But my if I have to like pick a three
minutes a gun to my head. I'm going that. There's
the moment in Rogue one where I think a lot
of the audio of the film actually cuts out, but
there's a lot of action happening on screen and all
you get is Michael Giacchino's score of like that doude
do Do Do Do? Like It's it's just one of

(47:14):
the most beautiful moments of the film, and it's like
climactic and crazy, but it's also like slow and quiet
and beautiful, and it works really really well for me.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
Sometimes you can have the visuals be guided by just
the music and everything else oh yeah kind of fades away,
and it could really focus on that that's beautifully said.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Did you say remember when he Remember when he said
that he was like, I didn't get a lot of
time to put that score together, Michael Dad. He's like,
I'd only had like a month or something, and I
just kind of I was like, are you kidding me?
That's like my favorite Star wors score score. Actually, like
I love.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
It, like a shortcut and put Vader's theme on fucking
mustafar though, Let's be.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Honest, months imagine what he could have done.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
MG, that score was dead before I found it and
brought it back and brought it to life. Thank you
the course course, Well, I will say Rogue one has
probably my top five favorite three minutes too is Chared
m Way when he walks across the Forces like that,

(48:18):
that is just a commentary on faith overall. And it's
not even religious faith, just faith period and what you
have to endure in order to achieve it. Yes, you
might die and try to achieve it, but it's about
giving a life for something more as well. And I thought,
that's that's a beautiful.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
That movie had the best Star Wars space battle in
Star Wars in the Disney era, Like it beat out
anything in the sequel trilogy. You seen Red five die
and like being over the thing with the like just
the going in and out of the ships above and
on the surface. I would say, like, I still think
Battle of Endoor battle yavin't but you're going You're going

(48:55):
right there right up top And number three all time?

Speaker 2 (48:58):
What was yours again? What was your tal three minutes?
I forgot me?

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Yeah, fucking Yoda living in swamp, Yoda, live in music, swelling.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
And just I don't believe it.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
That is why you fail And he's all we frail
after that. Oh man, I can get goosebumps just thinking
about it.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
That's a great moment, great choice. Yeah, but let us
know what your favorite three minutes and Star Wars is
down below, because we obviously we all have our perspective
to we all have the things that move us and
touch us for our from our own life experiences. So
we'd love to hear from you guys, because you always
leave such great comments down.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
There, and because of the world between worlds.

Speaker 4 (49:31):
Even though Kotor takes place thousands of years before the movies,
Yoda is. If you saw the trailers, you know it's
I'm not spoiling it. Yoda is in our movie. He
interacts with our revans. It's fantastic. He plays a big
key role.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Uh. He small in stature but big in presence.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
There you go. I did have I did have a
couple more stories, but I don't know if we're gonna
get to one of them. So I'll ask this real quick.
Let's keep this the sixty seconds there is is you
know you mentioned the big storyline, Laura. There have been
people who are a little upset that this bix and
and Or romance has eclipsed their shipping of and Or

(50:08):
and jin Urso is this a legitimate argument to be
having in terms of issues here between the two or
are we okay just being like, look it was a
year later. If he started to have feelings with her
by the end, I mean the idea that you're both
gonna die, he might have just been hugging her from
a place of just I need to be near another
human being in this moment. Like, what are your thoughts

(50:31):
on this? Do you think it kind of dispelled the
desire for people to have a romance between gin and
and Or?

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Okay, my first time I saw Rogue one, I was like,
that was so cool that we got this like female
and male lead like together. But it wasn't like romantic.
It was like, you know, this camaraderie thing. And I
said that to somebody in there, like what are you
talking about? Like a full on, So I totally didn't
interpret it as romance. The first time I saw Rugu

(51:00):
one and then went back and watching it, I'm like, Okay, yeah,
I get it, But I think that if I were
like about to go down with the ship the way
that they are, I like I would probably be clinging
to whoever was standing next to me, of course, so like,
I don't, I don't know, I don't. I never really
latched onto that. But at the same time, I'm very
into my ships and I have a lot of attachment

(51:21):
and enthusiasm for them. And if somebody were to then
take that story and do what they did sort of
with between Rogue one and Or, I would probably be
upset with that too. So I totally get where the
people who are set are coming from. My personal interpretation
when I saw were going is that it was not
really meant to be romantic. So I'm I didn't have

(51:41):
any problem with Cassie and having a romance with someone else.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Look, Cassie got broken up with over a frickin FaceTime
dude of a voicemail, not even an in person call.
All right, he doesn't know he as a child, he's
been broken up with. It's what's been It's been like
three weeks. The guy's about to he's gonna hold on it.
Like she she's a good looking girls. You know, I know,
I'm kidding, I kid.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
I think I think it's cool that they I I
think it's.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
Like the burnstain Bernstein bears like When I first watched it,
I felt like they kissed in the elevator, but they didn't.
They never kissed. So I think it's cool that you
can interpret it the way you want. If you're if
you're shipping him in BIX, ship him in BIS, you're
shipping him and Jen. I do think too that I
think any of us Roca, I would even snuggle up
next to you if the horizon was about to swallow
us into the infinity.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
So I'm okay with that.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
But I'd be like, hey, what's up my hand doing
down there? Come on, come on, that's come on, that's
too far.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
I would just be stroking your your newly.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I will say. I understand people get excited.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
People get excited about the characters that they ship, So
I I do think that more or less like that's them,
like he's talking about like your father would be proud.
I think he's just like they just went on this
this tough journey. They didn't get along the whole time,
and they finally they saw it through to the end,
and they they're victorious, and and they're seeing the the
you know, the horizon about to swallow them up, and

(53:02):
I think they're just sharing that moment, and that's a
very They're not kissing as the sun or as the
fire overtakes them, They're hugging, and you can decide what
you want it to be.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yeah, yeah, this is what Gilroy said. I felt bad
for the people who had invested so much time in
the fan fiction and stuff like that, the people who
really had gone deep on it. It's not considered canon,
it's not something I have to pay attention to legally
within the order. But people were tad on that stuff,
and it meant a lots of them. You don't want
to trample on somebody's flower garden, you know, But I
have to do what I have to do. I'm sure
there's somebody who will never get over that. I apologize.

(53:33):
I really do, so. Look, he does have an empathetic
bone within him, so he does understand people at Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
But then he also talked about, Oh I heard there
was a comic book about K two s So, I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Was so pissed when I saw that.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
I had to shit all over that our story doesn't
adhere to the comic book at all.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Fuck you comic book fans.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
I feel like it's not.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Saying me, that's what Tony Gilroy's basically saying, Okay.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
He did say that I heard it and.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Airpoid. Yeah, I agree. I think I think the thing
is that was a much more fleshed out romance. This
thing with with Jin was a product of circumstance. And
I think that's just a moment of two humans or
two people rather just having the heightened experience of about
to die, and they hold on to each other as

(54:23):
one human would do with another human, uh there before
they're about to go. And if if you see a
little romantic feelings, they're great, but it's not necessary. I
never saw it as romantic, like Laura. I never saw
it as romantic, and I thought it was pretty cool.
But other people do it is totally fine, you know,
and you know, but again, this is all fiction, so
don't get don't get crazy about it. All right, Well,

(54:43):
last story here, Mark Hampton.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
I'm getting.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
He's talking to me because I get crazy about my ships.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
She does. Laura gets like I always have to tread lightly.
I can tell by the look on her face sometimes.
So but let's look with Mark Campbell. Mark Hampbell is
saying that he is done with appearing in Star Wars,
doing interviews here for a number of things that are
coming from him, but he said that he is pretty
much done with it and that he is going to

(55:12):
move on from it. And they also left us with
a little story from Carrie Fisher saying that he wasn't
he didn't put Star Wars on his resume after he
had done it because he was trying to be taken
seriously as an actor. And she basically said, get over it.
Put it on there. It's making money for us. What
are you being so upset about? So, Laura, your thoughts?

(55:34):
Mark Hamill says he's done appearing in Star Wars, and
Carrie Fisher had to kind of shake him a little bit,
be like, get over stop taking yourself so seriously, what
are your thoughts on these?

Speaker 1 (55:42):
If he's saying he's done in Star Wars, now good,
it's about goddamn time. I'm like, my lord, we need
to like you want to keep telling Luke Story's fine,
recast his ass, recast him. Let's stop with this, like
AI nonsense, Wow, you want to keep telling Luke stories.
I don't need him. I could not give two shits
about any more Luke stories. Frankly, I'd be fine with

(56:04):
we don't never do anymore.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
But if we.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Do him, recast him. Let's move on, my lord. Let
the man have some peace in his old age. Let
him go do other things. He's did. The Mike Flanagan Show,
but follow the House of Usher is fucking fantastic in
that if you haven't watched it, you want to see
Mark Ham will do something interesting. Go watch Fall of

(56:26):
the House of Usher because it's an amazing performance. I'm
sure Life of Chuck is great too. I'm very excited
to see it. I just watched the trailer again today, right,
so I yeah, let's let the man have some peace.
And I totally get where Harry Fisher is coming from too.
In his younger days. It's like, yeah, man, you gotta
like embrace this, like you gotta just like let it go,
and you gotta lean into it and it's gonna make

(56:47):
you money and that will make you happy, and let's
all be real, that's that's how life is.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
You.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
You have to be able to make a living to
be happy. So exactly, I get it, one hundred percent
get it. But I am also like, let's leave the
Luke stories behind. There's so many more. There's so many
bigger stories happening in Star Wars that are fantastic, that
have absolutely nothing to do with Luke Skywalker or any
Skywalker in fact, and I would love to embrace those
a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Guy, I will quote Perry White from Batman v. Superman
and say, in other news, water wet. So he's gonna
be done. I will argue with one thing, Luke story's
not done. If they do a big Avenger style Felony
Verse crossover where everybody teams up against Thron, you can't
not have Luke there, you know, and Han like you,

(57:36):
the legacy characters are there.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
You can't have them all of a sudden.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
We're gonna sit this one out, you know, just like
it's tough already, them trying to retcon.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Where was Ahsoka during the whole time. There's a funny
meme of her, like on her phone.

Speaker 4 (57:46):
It's like during the Battle of the Oven a Soaka
on her phone during the Battle of Men, come on, get.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Out there, we need you.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
So sorry.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
I didn't mean to cut you off, Roka, but I
just wanted to say, recast them.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Fine.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
I think there are plenty of stories that we could
still hear from Luke, But I also see where Laura
is coming from.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
It's also fun to blaze new trails like with Starfighter.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yeah, I'd be a fan of him coming back. But
I agree with Laura the recasting version, recast version. I
think we need to let go of the precious nature
of Han Solo, Princess Lean and Luke Skywalker that they
can't be touched, they can't be recast. I mean, we
did see already Alden Aaron Reich, and so I think
down the road there will be another another Han solo. Look.
Captain Kirk has been recast already three or four times,

(58:28):
depending on what show or movie you're watching. So like,
this idea that these characters are unrecastable is nonsense. You've
got to move on from it. So I agree with you,
Laura very strong, because we're limiting the stories we can
tell because people are so hung up with the recasting situation.
It's nonsense. There's a lot we can tell with Luke
post Return of the Jedi, in that timeframe where he's

(58:51):
seeing the new Republic come into power, like there's so
much and what drives him away from it? There could
be more with him and them. Uh Yeah, with Kylo
there's more there that can explore as well, the relationship
with Laya, the relationship with Solo, all these things that
we didn't get in the sequel trilogy that we're so
desperate to have gotten in the sequel trilogy. We can

(59:14):
have them if they were to do these these kind
of other films that are that are like rogue one
issue that they're not fully connected to a trilogy and
doing their own thing. Well, if we recast these characters
really well and we could see more from them. And
I love Mark Hamill's reaction here. He said, by the way,
when I disappeared last Jed, I left my robes behind
and there's no way I'm going to appear as a

(59:35):
naked force ghost, is what he said. He also says,
I really think they should just focus on the future
and all the new characters. And I agree. There's there's
a lot of things, and Mark Hamill has done his
bit for King and Country, and I think he can
lay his robes down comfortably knowing what he's done and look,
we'll see what happens. But yeah, yeah, he did a
great job. All right, anything more? Shall we wrap up?

(59:56):
Are you guys good any more?

Speaker 4 (59:57):
You want to say, okay, I these shows where we
just kind of shoot the shit about start.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
I agree. I agree with you. Thank you all so
much for joining us. We appreciate it madly. Kevin, smat's
another fun show with you, brother. Please let people know
again about convergence. Yeah, no one can see that. It's
blurry or here, I'll help you. Here, I'll help you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Go ahead, Yes, levinmovie dot com. Come subscribe to the channel.
See it this Saturday.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
It is a fantastic what if of what if a
light side version of Revin faced off with the dark
side version of Reven and if they could ever come
together to save a galaxy from a greater threat than that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Again, loved talking, loved seeing you back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Laura.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
We love you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:41):
I know the fans love you too. So it's I've
been looking forward to this all week. We couldn't get
it together last week, so I'm glad we I got.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Sick as a dog. But we're back together this week
and I look forward to our next one.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
That's right, we're back when the forest told us to
come back, Laura Kelly, thank you again. As Kevin said,
we missed Jim. We're great that. We're so happy to
have you back, so the fans please let people know
all the things going on and where they can follow you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Yeah, thank you for I'm so excited to be back.
And thank you again to everybody who reached out to
sort of check it on me. I really appreciate it.
I will try to be more active on socials here.
I've been enjoying my break, to be honest, but I
want to sort of get back in the swing of
things on Blue Sky where you can find me at
Shut Up Hyphan Laura. You can find my podcast, Force Host,

(01:01:23):
a Star Wars Happy Hour at Forest Host pod on
Blue Sky. Alice and I will be back with a
new episode of Force Host on Tuesday, June seventeenth. We'll
talk a little bit about the High Republic Trials of
the Jedi. Potentially that book comes out that day. That's
the big finale of the High Republic. And I have thoughts.
I will keep them spoiler free, but I have thoughts

(01:01:45):
and I want to share them somewhere and I probably
won't do it on Blue Sky. So jump over to
Forest Host and listen.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
To my thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
There there we go. Definitely do we were going to
get to it. We run out of time, but definitely
here Laura's comments thoughts on the High Republic. I got
the book the other day, and so maybe now it's
time to finally read all of these at once and
see where we are by the end of it. As
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(01:02:37):
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Take care of yourselves, everybody, and Laura Kelly, what are
we to tell them?

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Always remember your focus determines your reality.

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