June 18, 2024 • 39 mins
Step into the transformative world of habit formation and chronic pain management with this insightful episode of The Pain Game Podcast. Your host, Lyndsay Soprano, delves into the intricate dance of habits and their profound impact on our lives, especially when managing chronic pain and trauma. In this episode, Lyndsay is joined by the inspiring Ronnie Loaiza, a master certified professional life coach, certified habit coach, and certified personal trainer. Together, they explore the power of habits in self-care, the distinction between coaching and therapy, and practical strategies for breaking free from the habits that hold us back.
Ronnie shares her expertise on creating easy and doable habits that help navigate illness, chronic fatigue, and pain while staying on top of your game. She emphasizes the importance of rewarding yourself for every small action and offers a fresh perspective on setting boundaries and celebrating even the tiniest of achievements.
This episode is a treasure trove of wisdom for anyone looking to transform their daily routines and embrace a more fulfilling life.
Find Ronnie Loaiza Here:
Instagram: @ronnielolifecoach
Website: Ronnie Lo Life Coach
Facebook: Take Action Women's Level Up Hub
LinkedIn: Ronnie Lo Life Coach
Episode Highlights:
(00:00) This podcast focuses on living with chronic pain and trauma
(02:10) Introduction to Ronnie Loaiza and her expertise in habit coaching
(05:45) The definition of habits and their role in self-care
(10:20) The subconscious nature of habits and their impact on daily life
(15:15) Breaking free from habits that hinder productivity
(20:30) The difference between coaching and therapy
(25:50) The importance of rewarding yourself for small actions
(30:05) Setting boundaries and celebrating personal achievements
(35:40) Practical steps for creating new, positive habits
(40:20) The significance of a supportive team in managing chronic pain
(45:55) Ronnie's three pillars of habit formation
(50:30) The role of mindset in overcoming chronic pain challenges
(55:10) Final thoughts and words of encouragement for listeners
Ronnie shares her expertise on creating easy and doable habits that help navigate illness, chronic fatigue, and pain while staying on top of your game. She emphasizes the importance of rewarding yourself for every small action and offers a fresh perspective on setting boundaries and celebrating even the tiniest of achievements.
This episode is a treasure trove of wisdom for anyone looking to transform their daily routines and embrace a more fulfilling life.
Find Ronnie Loaiza Here:
Instagram: @ronnielolifecoach
Website: Ronnie Lo Life Coach
Facebook: Take Action Women's Level Up Hub
LinkedIn: Ronnie Lo Life Coach
Episode Highlights:
(00:00) This podcast focuses on living with chronic pain and trauma
(02:10) Introduction to Ronnie Loaiza and her expertise in habit coaching
(05:45) The definition of habits and their role in self-care
(10:20) The subconscious nature of habits and their impact on daily life
(15:15) Breaking free from habits that hinder productivity
(20:30) The difference between coaching and therapy
(25:50) The importance of rewarding yourself for small actions
(30:05) Setting boundaries and celebrating personal achievements
(35:40) Practical steps for creating new, positive habits
(40:20) The significance of a supportive team in managing chronic pain
(45:55) Ronnie's three pillars of habit formation
(50:30) The role of mindset in overcoming chronic pain challenges
(55:10) Final thoughts and words of encouragement for listeners
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(00:03):
This is Your Pain Game podcast wherewe talk about the game of living in
and with chronic pain and trauma,getting to the heart of how to heal.
I am your host, Lindsay Soprano. On the show, I plan
on discussing with doctors, chronic painpatients, holistic practitioners, loved ones,
and anybody that is interested in havingtheir voice heard in the chronic pain and
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trauma world that we live in.We all have bad habits in life,
right. I mean, I couldlist one hundred bad habits of mine right
now, but we don't have thatkind of time today. I've found that
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breaking up with bad habits is extremelychallenging, especially when you're like in your
forties and fifties, where you're alreadylike ingrained and all of the stupid things
you did when you were a kidand then a high school, in college
or wherever you went in life.We all end up getting a little bit
of banged up by our bad habits, right, and as we get older,
as we continue to do those badhabits, they're extremely challenging to break.
(01:11):
And it's these bad habits do endup holding us back from our true
selves in my opinion, but wedon't have to be stuck in these habits
anymore because of my guest today.So, without further ado, I would
like to introduce you to my guesttoday, Ronnie Loaiza. Hello, Darling,
Laddie, Hi, Lindsay, Hi. Oh my goodness. Ronnie is
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a master certified professional life coach,certified habit coach, certified personal trainer.
As a midlifer. With her clients, she helps people create easy, doable,
easy guys, and doable habits thathelp them in their daily goals.
Like how do we navigate illness,chronic fatigue, pain while staying on top
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of your game? Right? Likewelcome to the peng Gain podcast. Right,
we have to play the game rightand we do it all the time,
and it's exhausting, and I'm tiredof being tired, and I'm sure
you guys are as well, andthat's why we've got Ronnie here today.
So sign me up for navigating throughall of that. I'd like to start
talking about your definition of habits andwhy they are such an important aspect of
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our self care in our lives,and then let's kind of take it from
there. God, I could talkabout this for hours that much time,
but a habit is what you consistentlydo on a daily basis. Will you
consistently do all the time without thinkingabout it coming from your subconscious is a
habit And all the meta studies showthe research shows we're going to get all
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geeky here, but it's true.The meta study show that forty to fifty
percent of all of our days,each one of us, without fail,
are driven by habits. It's justa series of habits. So nearly half
our day are our habits. That'sreally driving our days. It's trading our
lives. And it's so hard whenyou're having a great day and nothing's wrong
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and you're feeling energetic and everything ison schedule. Yeah, right, when
was that last time? But thenwhen things get like blood gets thro on
your windshield, how the heck areyou supposed to keep up with your habits?
It's the basic habits, the corehabits, the good ones that will
cheap you going eat when when allcrap hits, that hits the band.
Yeah, and I mean for me, I think about how habitual I am
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as a person, like up untilfairly recently, when when chronic illness and
chronic pain really kind of started totake over my life instead of me taking
it over, which is where we'veshifted now. But I mean I had
created habits that I didn't even knowthat I was doing, just like you're
talking about it subconscious we don't evenrealize the things that we're doing. I
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do this every single morning. Wewalk through the routines. We've got your
dogs, your you know, everyone'sthrowing dishes in the thing. I mean,
whatever it is, it's all habits. We all get used to them.
What I find is I get boggeddown in some of my habits big
time. And a lot of itis my OCD and my cleaning and my
organizing. It takes me forever toget started in the morning. It's setting
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aside my pain because that's part ofit, but a lot of it is
I go through the house multiple timesall morning long to make sure everything is
just so before I can begin myday, and it gets in the way
of my productivity, even though Ilook like I'm being super productive, busy
productive because you're doing stuff that isgliss of the house. It's good for
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your psyche. It's also calming you. You get something out of a habit.
For me, that is the anxietypart. Of it. For me,
waking up and getting everything kind ofin its place helps me with anxiety.
That's just kind of been my gig. You know, we all say
good habit, bad habit. Youknow I'm going to take that out of
there when I coach with people.It's not good or bad. It's just
a fact. It's a habit.But you deem it, and you're the
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one that decides it's a bad habit, not society, not your mom,
not your partner. If you knowdeep down in your court this habit thing
is for me, then you knowit is, and so you decide if
it's a negative habit and not servinghabit however you want to name it.
But bad habits and good habits andeverything in between, they reward your brain.
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So you do it for a reasonbecause you might say, well,
I do this, but I don'tmean to, or you know, it's
not serving me, So it's youknow, how can it be given me
something? It's giving you something.That's why you're doing it. You're used
to it, and your brain onlywants what you're used to. Your brain
doesn't know any better. From Arcademandays, if you go off your norm,
and that's your normal, and seeif you go off your norm,
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then the brain goes, oh,danger, this is not normal, and
so it wants to veer you backto get whatever it is you get out
of it, even if you don'tlike it. After you do. Let's
say you have a bad habit.You don't have a bad habit, you're
just busy, and then you're like, oh, I could have been more
productive. Well, and you keeptelling yourself that, and you can chase
some things so you can start tweakingthem, a sort of evolving from them.
But even a bad habit that peopledon't like themselves for right afterwards,
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they're sort of they call it anaddiction, but let's it's not an addiction.
It's just a habit. You're stillgetting something out of this. So
that's what we exploring coaching. Wellwhat are you getting out of it?
And it doesn't take that long,It doesn't take years of therapy. You
know what you're getting out of it, whether it's a sense of calm,
a sense of peace, dopamine,the instant reward, whatever it is,
you're getting something out of it.So how I start with people is reward
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yourself. Reward yourself for how whateverlittle time action you do. And that
was the part you were saying easyand doable. Yeah, when people and
it stopped me when you want tostop me, because I could get ramble.
But when people want to start anew action, I call it a
new behavior. I really have torein them in. Like well, Bessie,
slow down, pick one. Wecome up with like ten ideas of
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small behaviors that will drive them toa habit. So you don't pick your
habit right away. It becomes ahabit because how it becomes a habit,
it's repetition. I mean, youwere born out of your mommy's wumb.
Knowing how to brush your teeth.You were taught repetition. Repetition. Same
with tying your shoe, saying I'mgonna get gross, wiping after you go
to the bathroom. I mean,that becomes a habit you don't think about
because you're wide and you know whateverit is. So we come up with
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idea. You come up with theideas if you're being coached, and then
we pick from that and everybody,almost everybody without fail, always picks like,
well I can do four or fiveof these. No, no,
no, no, that's just it. Where we go to a lot of
programs and plans and diets and allof this. We get all this great
information, all these great acts,and we put them under our arms.
We're ready to take off, andwe're starting implementing all of them, and
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then they all slip out from underyour arm. It's too much. Your
brain is not used to it.As smart as you are, and as
a go getter as you are,it's too much. So you pick one
tiny out of all those and youpicked, like, what's doabul realistically for
you when you're at your lowest,when you're either depressed, lethargic, feeling
ill, not in the mood.Your partners get in the way, your
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family gets in the way, thedog gets sick. Business wants more.
What you can do at the minimum, That's what we pick, and we
work on it retic repetitively, andthen we all so picky. Reward.
It's got to be an instant reward, not the long term goal, not
the long term growthhy a trophy.You have to award yourself every single liddle
time. Well, and I likethat, because you know I like that.
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You brought up diets and all ofall the fad dietes, all of
this, all of that, allketo and paleo and this, that and
the other thing. We all jumpon the bandwagon all of the time.
I certainly know I've jumped on alot of different wagons, and I've fallen
off of a bunch of wagons aswell. But you had mentioned therapy when
you were just speaking, and Iknow that there's a difference for all of
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us in the type of therapy thatwe get in our lives. But for
you, there's something in particular whereyou talk about in your practice coaching versus
therapy. Can you talk a littlebit on that, because there is a
difference, and I would love foryou to share what your thoughts are on
it. That's the hardest thing forme to talk about because I'm like,
this is not this articulate. ButI know it's one of those things like
(08:56):
like porn. You know it whenyou see it, you know what I
mean, I know when you experienceit. Not that I'm an experience by
my own foreign star. I don'tneed to watch it. Who said that
in the first place. Somebody saidthat. I think somebody said that,
so, but it's therapy really isbasically when you go back and you explore,
and there's a lot of things thatsound the same. But when therapy
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you have to get it out fromin your soul, from in your core,
whatever you believe in and express it. It's going to get out of
you. And people go back andthey can spend years on therapy and what
they want to do is talk theywant, and that's talk therapy. There's
cognitive behavioral therapy, which is sortof like habit therapy because mine is all
cognizant behavior. But therapy is alot of and I'm generalizing and broad brushing
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here is a lot of going backto see why and trying to analyze why,
and a lot of getting it outof you. And then if you
continue with therapy, it's because y'allwant to talk about it and you don't
want to talk about it with yourpartner or whoever every day. I mean,
there's only so much that your friendscan do. Plus, friends are
subjective. Therapists and code and counselorswe're supposed to be objective, but for
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the most part, family loves you. They're biased. Even if they say
they're not. Your friends love you. They have a bias. We all
have a bias. If we havekids, we're going to be biased as
objective as we want to be asparents. So therapy is more of the
background. Coaching is we already knowwhere you are, and we decide on
your goal and we start working towardit progressively. And a lot of my
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clients, and I was told thisas I started training, that to be
a coach, a lot of coachescompliment their people's psychologists and psychiatrists and therapists,
and a lot of therapists have becomesmart and become coaches, and a
lot of therapists welcome coaches because wecomplement each other. Yeah, that's great
because you know, you hear peoplesay like, I've got my life coach.
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You're like, oh, come on, really, you need a life
coach. Yes, we have alife coach. We don't know what the
hell we're doing around here, andyou know, coaches not and the coach
is not somebody to kitchen. Thebutt goes girl, go go go go.
I would hate that. It reallyisn't. I don't believe in this
just do it stuff. I reallydon't. Just like when I was a
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personal trainer, and I still amfor a select few, I do not
believe no pain, no game,that's bullshit. Sorry I'm cussing, but
oh but we made that pain.Yeah, I mean it's nuts in that
regard. That's why I see youneed rewards and to start learning how to
reward yourself. I just had alady yesterday when I was coaching. You
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know, I'm preticting confidentiality, butshe's an example of many of my clients.
She was putting in what fulfills herCoA was just starting to work on
her career, which is what shecame to me for and happens to her.
I don't know where to start.She's sixty three, is she wants
to start a new career. Thingshappened during your health, and just like
a lot of people, they cometo me for one thing, we end
up working on various aspects of theirlives, their relationships, their health,
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their fit is all this. Sowe really dealt with their health for two
months because she helps to take careof that. But when we started working
on what fulfills you list a numberof times, well, when you can
recall what makes you feel fulfilled,whatever that means for you, and a
lot of it was she liked whenpeople are content without what I did.
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Something I like it when people whenpeople feel helped when I have helped them.
A lot of it was when peopleapprove of her or like what she
did, or it involved a lotof other people. I'm like, all
right, do you like carrying outa plan? And do you like it
when it all comes together? Andshe was like, well, yeah,
why, well because it makes peoplehappy? Are you happy if nobody knew
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you did it? If the treefell in the forest and you were the
only one that pushed it, wouldyou be happy? And it took a
lot of that for her, andshe almost started crying, and I'm like,
Krumby, do you want to She'slike, I don't know what feels
fulfilled. It always seems to involvepeople approving of me. Well, hell,
we have to find what makes youfeel fulfilled. All no, and
you've got to start rewarding yourself andlauding yourself because only you really you know,
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I don't know. I'm not yourguru. No therapist is your guru.
And run run run around. Ifyou find a guru type you know
deep down, and that's what wedo. Cord it out of you.
You pour it out tode well,and that's wonderful when we were talking about,
like, for example, today,I'm going out of my comfort zone
today because my birthday was a coupleweeks ago and it was Mother's Day and
so I got my mother's my mamagive certificate to go to this new day
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spa thing that we just found.Anyways, I never do that kind of
self care for myself because what Iwill do and I know this within myself,
and I'm going to walk in witha totally different mindset because I have
to shift it when I walk inthe door, is I am already done
with the massage, done with theday SPoD, done with the relaxation before
I even walk in. And Iknow that habitually about myself, and I
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know that I will almost ruin itbecause I am out of my comfort zone
and because I don't do a lotof self care like I should. And
this was one thing that I neededto do for myself and for my mom.
But it was a reward for allof these things that I said as
soon as I did all this andI got this done, I was gonna
do this. And I don't evenknow if that makes any sense to you,
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but yes, but habit wise,that example is exactly what I do
all of the time. I'm alreadyI'm always worried or prepped or I've got
to get done with this before Ican even enjoy something. And it's kept
me away from enjoying some really awesomeexperiences in my life of over my entire
life because of that exact mindset.It's weird. I invite each you.
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I'm not coaching you out back alittle bit. I invite eat you as
you're driving there, even as you'regrabbing your keys. If you're excited,
like, yeah, I'm gonna goget a massage and I always been time
with mo mom. Yeah, sure, your truth. That's to become the
phrase. But say whatever's true toyou. If you don't feel excited,
you're already feel like I got somuch to do on Friday, and I
want to get this over with it. You know, I know I'm gonna
have any touch all that chatter,right, Say whatever is true to you.
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If you literally say I am goingnow, and that's it, because
that's the truth. I am goingnow, I am and I don't want
to go, or I have someresistance and I'm going anyway. Don't say
but say and and I'm going anyway. As you walk out the door,
as you walk into that spam.I resisted this or I'm feeling more resistance
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and I'm doing it anyway, lookat me. Yeah, and this is
a complete first world problem. Bythe way, here, I am going,
oh my goodness, I have togo to a dayston today. No,
the point is, I never doit, and so it makes me
very uncomfortable. And one of thethings that I'm doing it for is to
challenge myself to not be so scaredof taking care of me in all of
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these different areas in my world.I'm great in some these particular areas,
like going and getting official or evenjust going and having lunch with the girlfriend.
I end up like sabotaging it beforeI could even do it. And
I don't know where that comes fromoutside of trauma for a billion years,
you know, But that deep rootedthing keeps me that that habit of mine
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is my worst habit. But yougive me hope. As far as all
of our your easy steps, you'reeasy doable. You give me hope and
in so many ways in order towork through that habit and create a different
mindset, different, get rid ofthat noise and add different noise in.
I don't want a punk rock bandin my head. I need some classical
music right now. But the firstthing is say, I'm hearing that noise
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and I'm doing it anyway. Idon't feel like going, and I'm here
anyway, you know. But thinkabout it, Lindsay, and this is,
like you said, it's a firstrole problem. Yes it is,
but it's real, it's your problem, It's real. Yeah, yeah,
But what about women who I havedealt with this? And that's why I
reached out to you, and Iwas I told you when we first met,
I was so scared to reach outto you because when people look at
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me, they would never especially withthe energy I have all day I push
and I pushed, I push myself, they would never ever know that I
have chronic pain twenty four to seven. Really, even when I sleep,
when I wake up to go pee, my pain's there. But I reach
out to you because I started helpingpeople and people start talking to me about
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this, and it's like I sharedthis with you. I realized I relate
to people and they got it.It's like, oh my god, somebody
understands why. I'm like, don'tyou wish you could go to the doctor
and hook up something on an exactspot where you hurt because you can't really
explain it when you go to thedoctor and you're like, more, what
does it hurt? You're kind ofaround the area, but you know where
it is, don't you wish youcould put it on the doctor, put
it on yourself so they could feelyour pain because you don't know how to
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explain it, and they're like yes. So imagine back to habits, when
all of a sudden, you haveto do all these things you don't freaking
want to do, like take twelvemedications, or or you have to work
out even though you don't want to. Whatever it is, you got to
start small with one tiny action,not even a habit that will at least
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get you through. And the selftalk starts with it can be I hate
this and I'm doing it anyway.Look at me and say it out loud,
because when your brain hears it,it's sort of like feedback from your
earphones and the speaker. Your brainhears it. Our brains are computers.
It will go noted, and you'redoing it anyway, noted. You're capable.
We're going to that folder and we'regoing to keep it there. We
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can access that that later, butit's not at the forefront of your mind
right now. And it's not likeI'm not excited to go down and do
this today, but it's it's justone of those things. I woke up
the story and going, why doI feel anxious right now? And then
I identified what it is because it'skept me away from all of these other
things in my life that would havebeen amazing if I had done. Yeah,
well, then to your mindset.That's how you reset your mind.
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Yeah, your mindset. Well,we're setting our mind it's your habitual way
of thinking. We can change alot of our habitual way of thinking.
You said something in the beginning,and I can't I'm paraphrasing now, but
it was about how you you're inthe habit of I'm going to say,
expressing yourself, but a way ofdoing things. We also have the habit
of relating to different people in differentways. We are in the habit of
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relating to a certain person way differentlythan we do another person. So we
also have ways of expressing ourselves ouran habitual way. We're in the habit
of expressing ourselves in certain ways.We express ourselves way differently in certain family
dynamics than we do at work orwith our doctor. Oh, really powerful
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smart women. We're mostly talking aboutwomen there, but men too. Men
just don't talk to their doctors andjust go hey, by, how's it
going fine? But for the mostthese great women, powerful smart, intelligent,
go to the doctors and all theokay, how to go? What
they say they want to share withme? Find that he said this,
well why I don't know. Theydon't ask why I'm not saying be a
Karen, no offense to Karen's.My bestment in high school was Karen.
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But but you know what I mean. It's like, no, don't go
to weather and d announced all theseridiculous questions. But yet us ask all
the questions that you have. Andwhen they tell you about take this medicine
or do this, you might wantto do that or I think this,
Ask your doctor why? Why?Why? Why? Because you have the
right and the responsibility to yourself toknow why and get the best lyrist explanation
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you can. If they don't wantto give you a clear explanation, get
a second opinion, get a thirdopinion. Your entire team, your massage
therapist, your chiropractor, your holisticworker, your nutritionist, your functional medicine
doctor, whoever they are your team. Make them your team, yeah,
for sure. And putting together ateam of geniuses for your life and your
health and your well being is noeasy feat to find the right people.
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I've been on this journey for almosteight years now, and I've seen so
many doctors I don't need. Ijust I'm blue in the face, you
know, and that ends up gettingto that place, especially when you're chronically
ill and all of that stuff.But you've got some methodology and your work,
and I would like to talk alittle bit about that and how we
can talk about your methodology, yourthree pillars of it, and how crucial
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that is to your work with yourclients. So here's the thing, and
this is an instant, instant mindsetchange. I didn't come up with it.
It's so so ancient, but peopleforget in order don't really know about
it. Okay, when you havea habitual way of backing, Okay,
you react to somebody at warri orwhatever it is, you react or you
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act because of an emotion. Needto all have an emotion, even if
it's a split second So whoa stopyourself, take a beat. What emotion
are my feeling? And there arefive basic emotions and then a little sub
emotions under it. There's joy,despair, anger, fear, and doubt.
Doubt is not fear, It isnot You can doubt something and not
be fearful of it. You candoubt, yeah, I doubt that,
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and you have no fear. Soit's doubt, I'm sorry, doubt,
sadness, despair, anger, andjoy. Now out of joy, that
doesn't necessarily happy, happy, joy, joy. There can be content,
peaceful, happy, at rest,whatever it is, a lot of little
things come under that, and alot of times the fear and the sadness
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are subsets. But sometimes it's justsadness, no fear. Okay, So
notice what you're feeling and put itunder one of those What thought made you
feel that way? Even if youdon't think there's a thought, there has
to be a thought. You're ahuman being with a computer brain, and
had a thought, even in themost enlightened speed, thought that provoked that
feeling. That's kind of therapy.But in two seconds, what did I
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think? This neutralizes it? Yourbrain looks for that one nugget of doubt
that you doubt yourself and looks forevidence to prove to you even that one
little stand of doubt, that thatdoubt is right. So tell yourself whatever
is the truth. In other words, you change that emotion. Ask yourself,
is that thought one hundred percent true? Is that an absolute fact?
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Most of the time it's not.Okay. Now, if it is,
yay, you have to act onthat fear or that doubt or whatever.
But if it's not one hundred percenttrue, change your thought, even if
it's just a neutral thought. Yeah, And all of those through tiny little
decisions that we can make throughout ourdays, which make which yield huge results.
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They do. I've watched it withinmyself where I change one little thing,
or I added a new habit,I added something new, and over
the past couple of months we dippedinto like some pretty dark and dirty places
in order to pull out so muchjunk out of my body. Like just
I was on this mission. Well, I am on this mission to heal
myself, as you guys all know, and it's just it's exhausting to do
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that. When you bring on I'dlike to move into a little bit about
talking how you work with your clients. Then following with that, how we
can find you. I like tosay it will be custom tailor it to
you, but it really is.We get to note. You need to
share with me what you want toshare, and I am really good at
pulling things out and getting you tosofa flet. But we just get to
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know each other. You have afeel for me, my vibe. I
suppose your vibe because people have tofeel comfortable and whatever did you come to
me to? And a lot ofpeople come to me at first with not
knowing where they want to begin.Yeah, and so with many people I
give them more work. I'm like, you're these twelve facets of your life?
Where are you now? And wherewould you not goals? Not like
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in five years I want to haveten million dollars or whatever, but how
would you like it to be?So where is is it now? Social,
spiritual or religious, financial, healthand fitness at twelve facets of your
life? Career, all of thisstuff, family parenting, so you feel
that even if you're not a parent, people thought of like the their kids,
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their best friend's kids, or they'rea godparents. You fill out.
My nephew is living with us rightnow, I'm as guardian right now.
It's a completely new thing that hoppedinto our world zone and it's it's funny,
and some people even put their pets. So you fill up the twelve
facets of your life. And atfirst it's like, oh, this is
a little much, but then it'snot. And then we find whatever it
is you want to work on,and we start small. We set a
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compass in psycholic, set your directionbecause again people want to go, Okay,
I had this goal and I gotto reach it then and blah blah
blah blah. It's like, well, Bessie, I kind of compare it
to you. I came up withthis like GPS. When you put in
something your GPS, you have toput in an address or sometimes at least
very like the corner of this andthis and so, and then often it
asks you do you want to departuretime or an arrival time, And sometimes
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the GPS could start off of thesatellite doesn't work or whatever. I mean,
you can really get thrown off orthere's a word closure instead of the
GPS and I having to be soexact. I know, people say you
got to know exactly what you wantand slipping them down, but take it
back to just set your compass andwhat direction do you want to go,
because if you know you're heading northor south or whatever, you'll start coming
up with the choices like do Iwant to take this freeway? Do I
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want to go off on this frontand trow? Do you start making the
choices? Don't worry, they'll comeup, and so set your compass first,
what's your direction? What goal doyou have? And then why and
I know you've heard this a milliontimes why, but we really go,
well, why that? Well?Because of this? Well? Why that?
Well? Because of this? Well? Why that? I mean really
filtered down? Why? Why?Why? Why? Your poor reason?
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Why? Then that's your goal?That's your direction. And then we go
ahead and set up the GPS,okay, time location, when, where?
How, how are we going toexecute it? What's going to activate
it? We activate that action.Every action you take as an activator,
whether it's subconscious or conscious, youhave something that goes I got to do
this now, Like you have thatin the morning. You know I do
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do that. Even when you thinkyou of ACD, you're not scattered.
You kind of have that routine.So there's always something to activates your brain,
now this, now this, andnow that. So we set up
an activator that will work more thanjust the postcard and the alarm clock,
because a lot of people turn offthe alarm clock and they don't go do
that thing, or the postcard justbecomes part of It's in front of your
face and you ignore it. Sowe really set up what's going to activate
that action. We boost your ability. Did you set yourself up in the
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right way? And we give youan instantly board celebrate it. So if
with me, they celebrate it withme, they text me right away even
if like really, now, thatis not nagging, that is not keeping
up on you, That is celebrating. That's why what they call it celebrative
accountability. We dance. We doa happy dancea when you look at you,
you did it. If they onlywant to go dawn, I have
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clients that just give me that emogicmeans check mark. That's fine, but
you've got to say it out loudbecause when I'm not around, get in
the habit of celebrating yourself like done, done, did it, Because when
you say it out loud again,your brain hears it goes yes, you
did, note it. So makeit rewarding, and then make that repetition,
support the repetition, and we goall over all that and deatch all
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whatever thease you're working. So onceagain, activator, pish your ability,
make it rewarding, support the repetition. Those are wonderful to hear because I
mean, oh gosh, the celebratingourselves that that is a wonderful way of
putting it, because it is weforget to celebrate even the tiniest of things,
you know. And I do havethose dialogues with myself of where I
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feel all pumped up, just likeyou were saying. You go to like
some big conference and this motivation thingand you're taking scrupulous notes and everyone's cheering
and everyone's clapping, and then youget home and its reality and you're like,
well, I don't have three hundredand fifty people cheering with me anymore.
So now what do I do?Well? I did that for a
week, or I did that fortwo weeks, and then you know,
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my dog got sick, my kidgot expelled, and you know, and
then and then and then all thenoise of our world pops in and takes
it takes our self care right outfrom underneath us. But we have the
power to not allow that to happen. And so for me, I know
that boundaries are a lot of partfor me on changing some of my own
habits, because a lot of myhabits are actually towards helping other people,
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and that is getting in the wayof me on all kinds of on all
kinds of realms, from borrowing moneyor excu from lending money to people to
care, yeah, exactly, takingcare of everybody else, taking care,
taking care, And it's driving mebonkers because I'm like, I'm not even
I'm celebrating you you right now becauseI helped you get there. I'm celebrating
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you right now because I helped youget there. I'm celebrating Ronnie right now
because you helped this episode come toits fruition right And somewhere in there,
I forget that I need to celebratesomething. You know, it's nuts this
show though this I celebrate, yes, and I celebrate that my pain level
has been dropping that I'm celebrating,and a lot of that is because of
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the conversations that I'm having with peoplelike you, where I'm picking up and
I'm learning all of these new habitsif you will to try to help my
healing process be less overwhelming. Andbecause when you're on the kind of path
I'm at, you know, you'relooking at your counter with like seventeen thousand
different supplements and drops and shakes andthis and that. You know, battling
eating disorders, battling chronic pain,battling chronic illness, brattling insomnia and anxiety
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and depression. I'm a great littlepackage all tied up into a bow.
Oh, I know, And Inear you. I absolutely hear you.
When you talked about motivation. Iwent on a ranch one time on Instagram,
and I'm not that I think goeson and does reels, But for
some reason, I turned on mycamera like do you have a motive?
Do you have a load of forwanting to do that? There's your motivation?
Go yeah, because we're always lookingfor moti. No one's going to
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go behind You'll proude you all daylong. No. No. And the
willpower, I'm so sicknfering willpower.We're not in the military, we're not
in baute camp. You know,willpower is an We have an infinite source
of willpower. We just have tokeep turning it on. We have to
keep revving up that willpower, andafter a while I gets exhausting. Screw
willpower. The most self controlled peopleare the ones that don't need to control
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so much. Seriously, they don'tneed to turn on the willpower so much
because they've got their habits in place. They align themselves and go back to
boundaries. Boundaries are not for otherpeople. They're not going to uphold your
boundary. You can tell your friendsabout it, and good for them if
they support you, but you knowthey kind of resist, and especially family,
God love them and God love usbecause we do it too to our
family members. It is not upto other people to respect your boundaries.
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I know that sounds weird. Itis up to us to uphold our boundaries.
We say that fence, we lookover the fence, Go high,
neighbor, I'm going to go backin now. We have to maintain that
fence for ourselves, yes, andput it in a loving way to others.
This is why share as much asyou want. But it's to you
to hold up your boundaries for yourself. And you can. And that's why
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I say you have to have thattalk with your partner. You have to
have that talk with your family sothey understand that boundary they gam it.
And I love the way that youput that because it's exactly true, you
know, Like I always I alwayssay I can't. I am not in
control of how somebody else is goingto respond to anything in their life,
whatever it is, whether I'm partof it or not part of it.
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I am not responsible for their theirreaction to something that happens in their own
life, quite frankly, or inmy life, you know. And that's
one of that's something in boundary thatis definitely a challenge for sure. But
I love the way that you putthat, so thank you. I needed
to hear that a little bit todaybecause I've got a boundary some people this
afternoon. Okay, boundary yourself withthose people, Yes, thank you,
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Okay, boundary myself with these people. My eyes are closed in my fist.
Start in a prayer like manner rightnow, because I need all the
help I can get today and tomorrow. I am noting up boundaries for myself.
Women don't want to ask for help, even though we say we do.
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We say we're going to ask ourfriends. But your podcast also has
served for people that get help fromyou. Because they don't want to talk
about it because they're afraid their friendsor their family and their partners are sick
of hearing it, or they're notsacred hearing it. But we're afraid that
they're sick of hearing it. Oh, we just are sick of talking about
it. Yeah, and they hearyou. They're asking you for help.
You don't even know that. Youdon't even know your listeners who are asking
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me for help, and then they'regetting it from the variety of guests.
Well, you know the goal.I mean that is talk about waking up
and what's my goal? That's mygoal every morning of my life is somehow,
some way, even if I touchone person and not in a gross
way. Don't watch it, guyswith your mind and the gutter. No,
I just wish that I could touchat least one person with each episode,
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and I for sure know that Ihave, And so with my goals
in mind for the show, they'regrand. We're just getting started here.
Guys. Weird you made me thinkit's something I hope you don't mind me
shared. But this is I waswatching The Dire suggest Ray but somebody I
heard somebody once again say this ismy bias. Okay, this is my
thing, so please forgive me.I don't mean to offend anybody. I
respect your beliefs, all of them, whether your atheist, Agnostic, Christian,
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Jewish, wherever it is, Buddhist, I respect all of them.
And I'm fascinable by different beliefs andI respect them. But myself, just
me, just Ronnie. I don'tbelieve that things happen for a reason.
I really don't. I believe thatthings happen because of a reason. The
randomness is odds, it's math,it's scientific, and damn it ef it.
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I am mad that I'm sickle wheneverit is. But I thought of
this. Mother Teresa came to mindbecause she was my north star. I'm
Catholic, and I grew up Catholic, and I still go to church because
I like the rituals. I reallyuphold it, Jill pull the rituals of
my parents and my grandparents, that'sit, just because they're pretty. But
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you know, I really really startedto doubt my faith years ago. And
when I read mothers Teresa's insights,she said that every single day of her
life she doubts her belief her faith. Wow, and I was like,
oh my god, if she well, you just made a lot of people
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in their cars very happy, Ronnie, because you know why, because she
doubted the religion and did it anyway. She went and made her purpose,
just like you're making your podcast yourpurpose to say, she made it her
purpose to go out and reach outand feed the hungry and talk about it
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and advocate and keep going out there. She made her poverty a purpose.
She made her doubt a purpose.She didn't believe in God half the time,
and she admitted it, but shebelieved in the tenets of it.
So that was that became for why. So I'm bringing this back to this.
We may not know why we havewhatever it is we have, and
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as you have or loopers or thething that they can't I have five hard
eaded diss and I have a wholebunch of basic just add up, right.
I don't know. I'm not goingto say, well, God made
me this way for a purpose.I don't think. So. I know
it happened, and I'm gonna giveit a purpose. I'm going to do
something about it and with it,Like I say, I'm giving my pain
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purpose. That is my line,that's my tagline. Because the other way
sucks, and I did the otherway, and it's a very scary place
to not give your pain purpose,to let it completely devour you and take
your soul away from you and exhaustyou, and and and right, it's
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it's exhausting, and so giving itpurpose gives the pain meaning to me.
Right, I wake up with itand it's there. Do you ever get
angry that you about feeling the wayyou feel when you feel down or bad.
I don't deal with a lot ofanger about my pain. Yeah,
sadness for sure, grief for sure, a little bit of self doubt as
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to why it all happened, Iguess, because I definitely know that things
in my twenties have caught up withme. I think a lot of people
can identify with that. But whenit comes to my particular health and the
issues that are within me, therewere things that were done in my early
in my twenties, basically mostly mytwenties, that I have no regret but
absolutely have led to me in myhealth care for sure. So I get
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angry with myself about my past,which is stupid because it can't change it.
I can just make it better orgo forward. But anyways, we
don't need to get more onto thatbecause we're already kicking a can down the
street. And I guess, Iguess some people get angry and a lot
of people say why me, whyme? Yeah, And you know other
people will be like, oh,well, good because God gave you a
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purpose to do with this. It'sGod's plan. If you want to believe
that, then it's your truth.Yes, to go out. Gave you
that. And then what do Ido with this? What does you want
me to do with it? Orshe or whatever? What does a universe
want me to do? What doI want to do with this? And
really do not to sound all yodaish, but if you really dig deep,
dig deep down, you know whatyou want to do with it?
The answer is within you. Youdon't have to like wait for a sign.
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You decide what is it that Itruly believe I can do and want
to do with this? It's wonderful. Where can we find you online?
My girl, Ronnie Low it's justmy last name Elo Lowisa, So Ronnie
Low Life Coach is my website Ronnier O N and I E L O
Life Coach. It's all one word, but it'll be on your show notes.
(37:43):
Ronnielolifecoach dot com my website and that'sreally my handle everywhere Instagram, Facebook,
I have a Facebook hopeful of wonderfulwomen, so look for me in
there and uh yeah, that's mysocial quest for Ronnie Low Life coach.
I love it. Thank you somuch. Is there anything that you'd like
to leave our listeners with before wejam on? Ata? Here? You
can. You can be set inyour ways. I'll get the eight twenty
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fifty nine this summer. You canbe set in your ways. We're all
set in all ways, but youdon't have to be stuck. I love
it so very much. Thank youso much for your time with me today,
Ronnie. I'm sure we'll be talkingsoon, Okay, and schul your
massage and your mom oh my goodness, thank you. Only women do birth
months, by the way. Ohman, it's been a pleasure. Thank
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you so much, Ronnie. Youare exclusively invited to share this celebrating yourself,
taking care of yourself with new habits, tiny habits that will go forever
for you. Guys, Let's getto the heart of how to heal with
you by my side. Do youknow anybody that needed to hear this conversation
today. I know there are bitsand pieces throughout it, even though I'd
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already met her, that I neededto get from this episode today. But
if you do take it all inwith you, Ronnie and I are here
for you. If you have anyquestions about anything, we will have everything
in show notes, have everything upon social for you. Guys, you
can always find Ronnie Welcome to thePain Game Podcast. That's what we're here
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This is Your Pain Game podcast wherewe talk about the game of living in
and with chronic pain and trauma,getting to the heart of how to heal.
I am your host, Lindsay Soprano. On the show, I plan
on discussing with doctors, chronic painpatients, holistic practitioners, loved ones,
and anybody that is interested in havingtheir voice heard in the chronic pain and
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trauma world that we live in.We all have bad habits in life,
right. I mean, I couldlist one hundred bad habits of mine right
now, but we don't have thatkind of time today. I've found that
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breaking up with bad habits is extremelychallenging, especially when you're like in your
forties and fifties, where you're alreadylike ingrained and all of the stupid things
you did when you were a kidand then a high school, in college
or wherever you went in life.We all end up getting a little bit
of banged up by our bad habits, right, and as we get older,
as we continue to do those badhabits, they're extremely challenging to break.
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And it's these bad habits do endup holding us back from our true
selves in my opinion, but wedon't have to be stuck in these habits
anymore because of my guest today.So, without further ado, I would
like to introduce you to my guesttoday, Ronnie Loaiza. Hello, Darling,
Laddie, Hi, Lindsay, Hi. Oh my goodness. Ronnie is
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a master certified professional life coach,certified habit coach, certified personal trainer.
As a midlifer. With her clients, she helps people create easy, doable,
easy guys, and doable habits thathelp them in their daily goals.
Like how do we navigate illness,chronic fatigue, pain while staying on top
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of your game? Right? Likewelcome to the peng Gain podcast. Right,
we have to play the game rightand we do it all the time,
and it's exhausting, and I'm tiredof being tired, and I'm sure
you guys are as well, andthat's why we've got Ronnie here today.
So sign me up for navigating throughall of that. I'd like to start
talking about your definition of habits andwhy they are such an important aspect of
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our self care in our lives,and then let's kind of take it from
there. God, I could talkabout this for hours that much time,
but a habit is what you consistentlydo on a daily basis. Will you
consistently do all the time without thinkingabout it coming from your subconscious is a
habit And all the meta studies showthe research shows we're going to get all
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geeky here, but it's true.The meta study show that forty to fifty
percent of all of our days,each one of us, without fail,
are driven by habits. It's justa series of habits. So nearly half
our day are our habits. That'sreally driving our days. It's trading our
lives. And it's so hard whenyou're having a great day and nothing's wrong
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and you're feeling energetic and everything ison schedule. Yeah, right, when
was that last time? But thenwhen things get like blood gets thro on
your windshield, how the heck areyou supposed to keep up with your habits?
It's the basic habits, the corehabits, the good ones that will
cheap you going eat when when allcrap hits, that hits the band.
Yeah, and I mean for me, I think about how habitual I am
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as a person, like up untilfairly recently, when when chronic illness and
chronic pain really kind of started totake over my life instead of me taking
it over, which is where we'veshifted now. But I mean I had
created habits that I didn't even knowthat I was doing, just like you're
talking about it subconscious we don't evenrealize the things that we're doing. I
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do this every single morning. Wewalk through the routines. We've got your
dogs, your you know, everyone'sthrowing dishes in the thing. I mean,
whatever it is, it's all habits. We all get used to them.
What I find is I get boggeddown in some of my habits big
time. And a lot of itis my OCD and my cleaning and my
organizing. It takes me forever toget started in the morning. It's setting
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aside my pain because that's part ofit, but a lot of it is
I go through the house multiple timesall morning long to make sure everything is
just so before I can begin myday, and it gets in the way
of my productivity, even though Ilook like I'm being super productive, busy
productive because you're doing stuff that isgliss of the house. It's good for
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your psyche. It's also calming you. You get something out of a habit.
For me, that is the anxietypart. Of it. For me,
waking up and getting everything kind ofin its place helps me with anxiety.
That's just kind of been my gig. You know, we all say
good habit, bad habit. Youknow I'm going to take that out of
there when I coach with people.It's not good or bad. It's just
a fact. It's a habit.But you deem it, and you're the
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one that decides it's a bad habit, not society, not your mom,
not your partner. If you knowdeep down in your court this habit thing
is for me, then you knowit is, and so you decide if
it's a negative habit and not servinghabit however you want to name it.
But bad habits and good habits andeverything in between, they reward your brain.
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So you do it for a reasonbecause you might say, well,
I do this, but I don'tmean to, or you know, it's
not serving me, So it's youknow, how can it be given me
something? It's giving you something.That's why you're doing it. You're used
to it, and your brain onlywants what you're used to. Your brain
doesn't know any better. From Arcademandays, if you go off your norm,
and that's your normal, and seeif you go off your norm,
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then the brain goes, oh,danger, this is not normal, and
so it wants to veer you backto get whatever it is you get out
of it, even if you don'tlike it. After you do. Let's
say you have a bad habit.You don't have a bad habit, you're
just busy, and then you're like, oh, I could have been more
productive. Well, and you keeptelling yourself that, and you can chase
some things so you can start tweakingthem, a sort of evolving from them.
But even a bad habit that peopledon't like themselves for right afterwards,
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they're sort of they call it anaddiction, but let's it's not an addiction.
It's just a habit. You're stillgetting something out of this. So
that's what we exploring coaching. Wellwhat are you getting out of it?
And it doesn't take that long,It doesn't take years of therapy. You
know what you're getting out of it, whether it's a sense of calm,
a sense of peace, dopamine,the instant reward, whatever it is,
you're getting something out of it.So how I start with people is reward
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yourself. Reward yourself for how whateverlittle time action you do. And that
was the part you were saying easyand doable. Yeah, when people and
it stopped me when you want tostop me, because I could get ramble.
But when people want to start anew action, I call it a
new behavior. I really have torein them in. Like well, Bessie,
slow down, pick one. Wecome up with like ten ideas of
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small behaviors that will drive them toa habit. So you don't pick your
habit right away. It becomes ahabit because how it becomes a habit,
it's repetition. I mean, youwere born out of your mommy's wumb.
Knowing how to brush your teeth.You were taught repetition. Repetition. Same
with tying your shoe, saying I'mgonna get gross, wiping after you go
to the bathroom. I mean,that becomes a habit you don't think about
because you're wide and you know whateverit is. So we come up with
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idea. You come up with theideas if you're being coached, and then
we pick from that and everybody,almost everybody without fail, always picks like,
well I can do four or fiveof these. No, no,
no, no, that's just it. Where we go to a lot of
programs and plans and diets and allof this. We get all this great
information, all these great acts,and we put them under our arms.
We're ready to take off, andwe're starting implementing all of them, and
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then they all slip out from underyour arm. It's too much. Your
brain is not used to it.As smart as you are, and as
a go getter as you are,it's too much. So you pick one
tiny out of all those and youpicked, like, what's doabul realistically for
you when you're at your lowest,when you're either depressed, lethargic, feeling
ill, not in the mood.Your partners get in the way, your
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family gets in the way, thedog gets sick. Business wants more.
What you can do at the minimum, That's what we pick, and we
work on it retic repetitively, andthen we all so picky. Reward.
It's got to be an instant reward, not the long term goal, not
the long term growthhy a trophy.You have to award yourself every single liddle
time. Well, and I likethat, because you know I like that.
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You brought up diets and all ofall the fad dietes, all of
this, all of that, allketo and paleo and this, that and
the other thing. We all jumpon the bandwagon all of the time.
I certainly know I've jumped on alot of different wagons, and I've fallen
off of a bunch of wagons aswell. But you had mentioned therapy when
you were just speaking, and Iknow that there's a difference for all of
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us in the type of therapy thatwe get in our lives. But for
you, there's something in particular whereyou talk about in your practice coaching versus
therapy. Can you talk a littlebit on that, because there is a
difference, and I would love foryou to share what your thoughts are on
it. That's the hardest thing forme to talk about because I'm like,
this is not this articulate. ButI know it's one of those things like
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like porn. You know it whenyou see it, you know what I
mean, I know when you experienceit. Not that I'm an experience by
my own foreign star. I don'tneed to watch it. Who said that
in the first place. Somebody saidthat. I think somebody said that,
so, but it's therapy really isbasically when you go back and you explore,
and there's a lot of things thatsound the same. But when therapy
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you have to get it out fromin your soul, from in your core,
whatever you believe in and express it. It's going to get out of
you. And people go back andthey can spend years on therapy and what
they want to do is talk theywant, and that's talk therapy. There's
cognitive behavioral therapy, which is sortof like habit therapy because mine is all
cognizant behavior. But therapy is alot of and I'm generalizing and broad brushing
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here is a lot of going backto see why and trying to analyze why,
and a lot of getting it outof you. And then if you
continue with therapy, it's because y'allwant to talk about it and you don't
want to talk about it with yourpartner or whoever every day. I mean,
there's only so much that your friendscan do. Plus, friends are
subjective. Therapists and code and counselorswe're supposed to be objective, but for
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the most part, family loves you. They're biased. Even if they say
they're not. Your friends love you. They have a bias. We all
have a bias. If we havekids, we're going to be biased as
objective as we want to be asparents. So therapy is more of the
background. Coaching is we already knowwhere you are, and we decide on
your goal and we start working towardit progressively. And a lot of my
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clients, and I was told thisas I started training, that to be
a coach, a lot of coachescompliment their people's psychologists and psychiatrists and therapists,
and a lot of therapists have becomesmart and become coaches, and a
lot of therapists welcome coaches because wecomplement each other. Yeah, that's great
because you know, you hear peoplesay like, I've got my life coach.
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You're like, oh, come on, really, you need a life
coach. Yes, we have alife coach. We don't know what the
hell we're doing around here, andyou know, coaches not and the coach
is not somebody to kitchen. Thebutt goes girl, go go go go.
I would hate that. It reallyisn't. I don't believe in this
just do it stuff. I reallydon't. Just like when I was a
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personal trainer, and I still amfor a select few, I do not
believe no pain, no game,that's bullshit. Sorry I'm cussing, but
oh but we made that pain.Yeah, I mean it's nuts in that
regard. That's why I see youneed rewards and to start learning how to
reward yourself. I just had alady yesterday when I was coaching. You
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know, I'm preticting confidentiality, butshe's an example of many of my clients.
She was putting in what fulfills herCoA was just starting to work on
her career, which is what shecame to me for and happens to her.
I don't know where to start.She's sixty three, is she wants
to start a new career. Thingshappened during your health, and just like
a lot of people, they cometo me for one thing, we end
up working on various aspects of theirlives, their relationships, their health,
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their fit is all this. Sowe really dealt with their health for two
months because she helps to take careof that. But when we started working
on what fulfills you list a numberof times, well, when you can
recall what makes you feel fulfilled,whatever that means for you, and a
lot of it was she liked whenpeople are content without what I did.
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Something I like it when people whenpeople feel helped when I have helped them.
A lot of it was when peopleapprove of her or like what she
did, or it involved a lotof other people. I'm like, all
right, do you like carrying outa plan? And do you like it
when it all comes together? Andshe was like, well, yeah,
why, well because it makes peoplehappy? Are you happy if nobody knew
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you did it? If the treefell in the forest and you were the
only one that pushed it, wouldyou be happy? And it took a
lot of that for her, andshe almost started crying, and I'm like,
Krumby, do you want to She'slike, I don't know what feels
fulfilled. It always seems to involvepeople approving of me. Well, hell,
we have to find what makes youfeel fulfilled. All no, and
you've got to start rewarding yourself andlauding yourself because only you really you know,
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I don't know. I'm not yourguru. No therapist is your guru.
And run run run around. Ifyou find a guru type you know
deep down, and that's what wedo. Cord it out of you.
You pour it out tode well,and that's wonderful when we were talking about,
like, for example, today,I'm going out of my comfort zone
today because my birthday was a coupleweeks ago and it was Mother's Day and
so I got my mother's my mamagive certificate to go to this new day
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spa thing that we just found.Anyways, I never do that kind of
self care for myself because what Iwill do and I know this within myself,
and I'm going to walk in witha totally different mindset because I have
to shift it when I walk inthe door, is I am already done
with the massage, done with theday SPoD, done with the relaxation before
I even walk in. And Iknow that habitually about myself, and I
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know that I will almost ruin itbecause I am out of my comfort zone
and because I don't do a lotof self care like I should. And
this was one thing that I neededto do for myself and for my mom.
But it was a reward for allof these things that I said as
soon as I did all this andI got this done, I was gonna
do this. And I don't evenknow if that makes any sense to you,
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but yes, but habit wise,that example is exactly what I do
all of the time. I'm alreadyI'm always worried or prepped or I've got
to get done with this before Ican even enjoy something. And it's kept
me away from enjoying some really awesomeexperiences in my life of over my entire
life because of that exact mindset.It's weird. I invite each you.
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I'm not coaching you out back alittle bit. I invite eat you as
you're driving there, even as you'regrabbing your keys. If you're excited,
like, yeah, I'm gonna goget a massage and I always been time
with mo mom. Yeah, sure, your truth. That's to become the
phrase. But say whatever's true toyou. If you don't feel excited,
you're already feel like I got somuch to do on Friday, and I
want to get this over with it. You know, I know I'm gonna
have any touch all that chatter,right, Say whatever is true to you.
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If you literally say I am goingnow, and that's it, because
that's the truth. I am goingnow, I am and I don't want
to go, or I have someresistance and I'm going anyway. Don't say
but say and and I'm going anyway. As you walk out the door,
as you walk into that spam.I resisted this or I'm feeling more resistance
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and I'm doing it anyway, lookat me. Yeah, and this is
a complete first world problem. Bythe way, here, I am going,
oh my goodness, I have togo to a dayston today. No,
the point is, I never doit, and so it makes me
very uncomfortable. And one of thethings that I'm doing it for is to
challenge myself to not be so scaredof taking care of me in all of
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these different areas in my world.I'm great in some these particular areas,
like going and getting official or evenjust going and having lunch with the girlfriend.
I end up like sabotaging it beforeI could even do it. And
I don't know where that comes fromoutside of trauma for a billion years,
you know, But that deep rootedthing keeps me that that habit of mine
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is my worst habit. But yougive me hope. As far as all
of our your easy steps, you'reeasy doable. You give me hope and
in so many ways in order towork through that habit and create a different
mindset, different, get rid ofthat noise and add different noise in.
I don't want a punk rock bandin my head. I need some classical
music right now. But the firstthing is say, I'm hearing that noise
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and I'm doing it anyway. Idon't feel like going, and I'm here
anyway, you know. But thinkabout it, Lindsay, and this is,
like you said, it's a firstrole problem. Yes it is,
but it's real, it's your problem, It's real. Yeah, yeah,
But what about women who I havedealt with this? And that's why I
reached out to you, and Iwas I told you when we first met,
I was so scared to reach outto you because when people look at
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me, they would never especially withthe energy I have all day I push
and I pushed, I push myself, they would never ever know that I
have chronic pain twenty four to seven. Really, even when I sleep,
when I wake up to go pee, my pain's there. But I reach
out to you because I started helpingpeople and people start talking to me about
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this, and it's like I sharedthis with you. I realized I relate
to people and they got it.It's like, oh my god, somebody
understands why. I'm like, don'tyou wish you could go to the doctor
and hook up something on an exactspot where you hurt because you can't really
explain it when you go to thedoctor and you're like, more, what
does it hurt? You're kind ofaround the area, but you know where
it is, don't you wish youcould put it on the doctor, put
it on yourself so they could feelyour pain because you don't know how to
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explain it, and they're like yes. So imagine back to habits, when
all of a sudden, you haveto do all these things you don't freaking
want to do, like take twelvemedications, or or you have to work
out even though you don't want to. Whatever it is, you got to
start small with one tiny action,not even a habit that will at least
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get you through. And the selftalk starts with it can be I hate
this and I'm doing it anyway.Look at me and say it out loud,
because when your brain hears it,it's sort of like feedback from your
earphones and the speaker. Your brainhears it. Our brains are computers.
It will go noted, and you'redoing it anyway, noted. You're capable.
We're going to that folder and we'regoing to keep it there. We
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can access that that later, butit's not at the forefront of your mind
right now. And it's not likeI'm not excited to go down and do
this today, but it's it's justone of those things. I woke up
the story and going, why doI feel anxious right now? And then
I identified what it is because it'skept me away from all of these other
things in my life that would havebeen amazing if I had done. Yeah,
well, then to your mindset.That's how you reset your mind.
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Yeah, your mindset. Well,we're setting our mind it's your habitual way
of thinking. We can change alot of our habitual way of thinking.
You said something in the beginning,and I can't I'm paraphrasing now, but
it was about how you you're inthe habit of I'm going to say,
expressing yourself, but a way ofdoing things. We also have the habit
of relating to different people in differentways. We are in the habit of
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relating to a certain person way differentlythan we do another person. So we
also have ways of expressing ourselves ouran habitual way. We're in the habit
of expressing ourselves in certain ways.We express ourselves way differently in certain family
dynamics than we do at work orwith our doctor. Oh, really powerful
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smart women. We're mostly talking aboutwomen there, but men too. Men
just don't talk to their doctors andjust go hey, by, how's it
going fine? But for the mostthese great women, powerful smart, intelligent,
go to the doctors and all theokay, how to go? What
they say they want to share withme? Find that he said this,
well why I don't know. Theydon't ask why I'm not saying be a
Karen, no offense to Karen's.My bestment in high school was Karen.
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But but you know what I mean. It's like, no, don't go
to weather and d announced all theseridiculous questions. But yet us ask all
the questions that you have. Andwhen they tell you about take this medicine
or do this, you might wantto do that or I think this,
Ask your doctor why? Why?Why? Why? Because you have the
right and the responsibility to yourself toknow why and get the best lyrist explanation
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you can. If they don't wantto give you a clear explanation, get
a second opinion, get a thirdopinion. Your entire team, your massage
therapist, your chiropractor, your holisticworker, your nutritionist, your functional medicine
doctor, whoever they are your team. Make them your team, yeah,
for sure. And putting together ateam of geniuses for your life and your
health and your well being is noeasy feat to find the right people.
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I've been on this journey for almosteight years now, and I've seen so
many doctors I don't need. Ijust I'm blue in the face, you
know, and that ends up gettingto that place, especially when you're chronically
ill and all of that stuff.But you've got some methodology and your work,
and I would like to talk alittle bit about that and how we
can talk about your methodology, yourthree pillars of it, and how crucial
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that is to your work with yourclients. So here's the thing, and
this is an instant, instant mindsetchange. I didn't come up with it.
It's so so ancient, but peopleforget in order don't really know about
it. Okay, when you havea habitual way of backing, Okay,
you react to somebody at warri orwhatever it is, you react or you
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act because of an emotion. Needto all have an emotion, even if
it's a split second So whoa stopyourself, take a beat. What emotion
are my feeling? And there arefive basic emotions and then a little sub
emotions under it. There's joy,despair, anger, fear, and doubt.
Doubt is not fear, It isnot You can doubt something and not
be fearful of it. You candoubt, yeah, I doubt that,
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and you have no fear. Soit's doubt, I'm sorry, doubt,
sadness, despair, anger, andjoy. Now out of joy, that
doesn't necessarily happy, happy, joy, joy. There can be content,
peaceful, happy, at rest,whatever it is, a lot of little
things come under that, and alot of times the fear and the sadness
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are subsets. But sometimes it's justsadness, no fear. Okay, So
notice what you're feeling and put itunder one of those What thought made you
feel that way? Even if youdon't think there's a thought, there has
to be a thought. You're ahuman being with a computer brain, and
had a thought, even in themost enlightened speed, thought that provoked that
feeling. That's kind of therapy.But in two seconds, what did I
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think? This neutralizes it? Yourbrain looks for that one nugget of doubt
that you doubt yourself and looks forevidence to prove to you even that one
little stand of doubt, that thatdoubt is right. So tell yourself whatever
is the truth. In other words, you change that emotion. Ask yourself,
is that thought one hundred percent true? Is that an absolute fact?
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Most of the time it's not.Okay. Now, if it is,
yay, you have to act onthat fear or that doubt or whatever.
But if it's not one hundred percenttrue, change your thought, even if
it's just a neutral thought. Yeah, And all of those through tiny little
decisions that we can make throughout ourdays, which make which yield huge results.
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They do. I've watched it withinmyself where I change one little thing,
or I added a new habit,I added something new, and over
the past couple of months we dippedinto like some pretty dark and dirty places
in order to pull out so muchjunk out of my body. Like just
I was on this mission. Well, I am on this mission to heal
myself, as you guys all know, and it's just it's exhausting to do
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that. When you bring on I'dlike to move into a little bit about
talking how you work with your clients. Then following with that, how we
can find you. I like tosay it will be custom tailor it to
you, but it really is.We get to note. You need to
share with me what you want toshare, and I am really good at
pulling things out and getting you tosofa flet. But we just get to
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know each other. You have afeel for me, my vibe. I
suppose your vibe because people have tofeel comfortable and whatever did you come to
me to? And a lot ofpeople come to me at first with not
knowing where they want to begin.Yeah, and so with many people I
give them more work. I'm like, you're these twelve facets of your life?
Where are you now? And wherewould you not goals? Not like
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in five years I want to haveten million dollars or whatever, but how
would you like it to be?So where is is it now? Social,
spiritual or religious, financial, healthand fitness at twelve facets of your
life? Career, all of thisstuff, family parenting, so you feel
that even if you're not a parent, people thought of like the their kids,
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their best friend's kids, or they'rea godparents. You fill out.
My nephew is living with us rightnow, I'm as guardian right now.
It's a completely new thing that hoppedinto our world zone and it's it's funny,
and some people even put their pets. So you fill up the twelve
facets of your life. And atfirst it's like, oh, this is
a little much, but then it'snot. And then we find whatever it
is you want to work on,and we start small. We set a
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compass in psycholic, set your directionbecause again people want to go, Okay,
I had this goal and I gotto reach it then and blah blah
blah blah. It's like, well, Bessie, I kind of compare it
to you. I came up withthis like GPS. When you put in
something your GPS, you have toput in an address or sometimes at least
very like the corner of this andthis and so, and then often it
asks you do you want to departuretime or an arrival time, And sometimes
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the GPS could start off of thesatellite doesn't work or whatever. I mean,
you can really get thrown off orthere's a word closure instead of the
GPS and I having to be soexact. I know, people say you
got to know exactly what you wantand slipping them down, but take it
back to just set your compass andwhat direction do you want to go,
because if you know you're heading northor south or whatever, you'll start coming
up with the choices like do Iwant to take this freeway? Do I
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want to go off on this frontand trow? Do you start making the
choices? Don't worry, they'll comeup, and so set your compass first,
what's your direction? What goal doyou have? And then why and
I know you've heard this a milliontimes why, but we really go,
well, why that? Well?Because of this? Well? Why that?
Well? Because of this? Well? Why that? I mean really
filtered down? Why? Why?Why? Why? Your poor reason?
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Why? Then that's your goal?That's your direction. And then we go
ahead and set up the GPS,okay, time location, when, where?
How, how are we going toexecute it? What's going to activate
it? We activate that action.Every action you take as an activator,
whether it's subconscious or conscious, youhave something that goes I got to do
this now, Like you have thatin the morning. You know I do
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do that. Even when you thinkyou of ACD, you're not scattered.
You kind of have that routine.So there's always something to activates your brain,
now this, now this, andnow that. So we set up
an activator that will work more thanjust the postcard and the alarm clock,
because a lot of people turn offthe alarm clock and they don't go do
that thing, or the postcard justbecomes part of It's in front of your
face and you ignore it. Sowe really set up what's going to activate
that action. We boost your ability. Did you set yourself up in the
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right way? And we give youan instantly board celebrate it. So if
with me, they celebrate it withme, they text me right away even
if like really, now, thatis not nagging, that is not keeping
up on you, That is celebrating. That's why what they call it celebrative
accountability. We dance. We doa happy dancea when you look at you,
you did it. If they onlywant to go dawn, I have
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clients that just give me that emogicmeans check mark. That's fine, but
you've got to say it out loudbecause when I'm not around, get in
the habit of celebrating yourself like done, done, did it, Because when
you say it out loud again,your brain hears it goes yes, you
did, note it. So makeit rewarding, and then make that repetition,
support the repetition, and we goall over all that and deatch all
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whatever thease you're working. So onceagain, activator, pish your ability,
make it rewarding, support the repetition. Those are wonderful to hear because I
mean, oh gosh, the celebratingourselves that that is a wonderful way of
putting it, because it is weforget to celebrate even the tiniest of things,
you know. And I do havethose dialogues with myself of where I
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feel all pumped up, just likeyou were saying. You go to like
some big conference and this motivation thingand you're taking scrupulous notes and everyone's cheering
and everyone's clapping, and then youget home and its reality and you're like,
well, I don't have three hundredand fifty people cheering with me anymore.
So now what do I do?Well? I did that for a
week, or I did that fortwo weeks, and then you know,
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my dog got sick, my kidgot expelled, and you know, and
then and then and then all thenoise of our world pops in and takes
it takes our self care right outfrom underneath us. But we have the
power to not allow that to happen. And so for me, I know
that boundaries are a lot of partfor me on changing some of my own
habits, because a lot of myhabits are actually towards helping other people,
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and that is getting in the wayof me on all kinds of on all
kinds of realms, from borrowing moneyor excu from lending money to people to
care, yeah, exactly, takingcare of everybody else, taking care,
taking care, And it's driving mebonkers because I'm like, I'm not even
I'm celebrating you you right now becauseI helped you get there. I'm celebrating
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you right now because I helped youget there. I'm celebrating Ronnie right now
because you helped this episode come toits fruition right And somewhere in there,
I forget that I need to celebratesomething. You know, it's nuts this
show though this I celebrate, yes, and I celebrate that my pain level
has been dropping that I'm celebrating,and a lot of that is because of
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the conversations that I'm having with peoplelike you, where I'm picking up and
I'm learning all of these new habitsif you will to try to help my
healing process be less overwhelming. Andbecause when you're on the kind of path
I'm at, you know, you'relooking at your counter with like seventeen thousand
different supplements and drops and shakes andthis and that. You know, battling
eating disorders, battling chronic pain,battling chronic illness, brattling insomnia and anxiety
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and depression. I'm a great littlepackage all tied up into a bow.
Oh, I know, And Inear you. I absolutely hear you.
When you talked about motivation. Iwent on a ranch one time on Instagram,
and I'm not that I think goeson and does reels, But for
some reason, I turned on mycamera like do you have a motive?
Do you have a load of forwanting to do that? There's your motivation?
Go yeah, because we're always lookingfor moti. No one's going to
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go behind You'll proude you all daylong. No. No. And the
willpower, I'm so sicknfering willpower.We're not in the military, we're not
in baute camp. You know,willpower is an We have an infinite source
of willpower. We just have tokeep turning it on. We have to
keep revving up that willpower, andafter a while I gets exhausting. Screw
willpower. The most self controlled peopleare the ones that don't need to control
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so much. Seriously, they don'tneed to turn on the willpower so much
because they've got their habits in place. They align themselves and go back to
boundaries. Boundaries are not for otherpeople. They're not going to uphold your
boundary. You can tell your friendsabout it, and good for them if
they support you, but you knowthey kind of resist, and especially family,
God love them and God love usbecause we do it too to our
family members. It is not upto other people to respect your boundaries.
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I know that sounds weird. Itis up to us to uphold our boundaries.
We say that fence, we lookover the fence, Go high,
neighbor, I'm going to go backin now. We have to maintain that
fence for ourselves, yes, andput it in a loving way to others.
This is why share as much asyou want. But it's to you
to hold up your boundaries for yourself. And you can. And that's why
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I say you have to have thattalk with your partner. You have to
have that talk with your family sothey understand that boundary they gam it.
And I love the way that youput that because it's exactly true, you
know, Like I always I alwayssay I can't. I am not in
control of how somebody else is goingto respond to anything in their life,
whatever it is, whether I'm partof it or not part of it.
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I am not responsible for their theirreaction to something that happens in their own
life, quite frankly, or inmy life, you know. And that's
one of that's something in boundary thatis definitely a challenge for sure. But
I love the way that you putthat, so thank you. I needed
to hear that a little bit todaybecause I've got a boundary some people this
afternoon. Okay, boundary yourself withthose people, Yes, thank you,
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Okay, boundary myself with these people. My eyes are closed in my fist.
Start in a prayer like manner rightnow, because I need all the
help I can get today and tomorrow. I am noting up boundaries for myself.
Women don't want to ask for help, even though we say we do.
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We say we're going to ask ourfriends. But your podcast also has
served for people that get help fromyou. Because they don't want to talk
about it because they're afraid their friendsor their family and their partners are sick
of hearing it, or they're notsacred hearing it. But we're afraid that
they're sick of hearing it. Oh, we just are sick of talking about
it. Yeah, and they hearyou. They're asking you for help.
You don't even know that. Youdon't even know your listeners who are asking
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me for help, and then they'regetting it from the variety of guests.
Well, you know the goal.I mean that is talk about waking up
and what's my goal? That's mygoal every morning of my life is somehow,
some way, even if I touchone person and not in a gross
way. Don't watch it, guyswith your mind and the gutter. No,
I just wish that I could touchat least one person with each episode,
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and I for sure know that Ihave, And so with my goals
in mind for the show, they'regrand. We're just getting started here.
Guys. Weird you made me thinkit's something I hope you don't mind me
shared. But this is I waswatching The Dire suggest Ray but somebody I
heard somebody once again say this ismy bias. Okay, this is my
thing, so please forgive me.I don't mean to offend anybody. I
respect your beliefs, all of them, whether your atheist, Agnostic, Christian,
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Jewish, wherever it is, Buddhist, I respect all of them.
And I'm fascinable by different beliefs andI respect them. But myself, just
me, just Ronnie. I don'tbelieve that things happen for a reason.
I really don't. I believe thatthings happen because of a reason. The
randomness is odds, it's math,it's scientific, and damn it ef it.
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I am mad that I'm sickle wheneverit is. But I thought of
this. Mother Teresa came to mindbecause she was my north star. I'm
Catholic, and I grew up Catholic, and I still go to church because
I like the rituals. I reallyuphold it, Jill pull the rituals of
my parents and my grandparents, that'sit, just because they're pretty. But
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you know, I really really startedto doubt my faith years ago. And
when I read mothers Teresa's insights,she said that every single day of her
life she doubts her belief her faith. Wow, and I was like,
oh my god, if she well, you just made a lot of people
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in their cars very happy, Ronnie, because you know why, because she
doubted the religion and did it anyway. She went and made her purpose,
just like you're making your podcast yourpurpose to say, she made it her
purpose to go out and reach outand feed the hungry and talk about it
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and advocate and keep going out there. She made her poverty a purpose.
She made her doubt a purpose.She didn't believe in God half the time,
and she admitted it, but shebelieved in the tenets of it.
So that was that became for why. So I'm bringing this back to this.
We may not know why we havewhatever it is we have, and
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as you have or loopers or thething that they can't I have five hard
eaded diss and I have a wholebunch of basic just add up, right.
I don't know. I'm not goingto say, well, God made
me this way for a purpose.I don't think. So. I know
it happened, and I'm gonna giveit a purpose. I'm going to do
something about it and with it,Like I say, I'm giving my pain
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purpose. That is my line,that's my tagline. Because the other way
sucks, and I did the otherway, and it's a very scary place
to not give your pain purpose,to let it completely devour you and take
your soul away from you and exhaustyou, and and and right, it's
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it's exhausting, and so giving itpurpose gives the pain meaning to me.
Right, I wake up with itand it's there. Do you ever get
angry that you about feeling the wayyou feel when you feel down or bad.
I don't deal with a lot ofanger about my pain. Yeah,
sadness for sure, grief for sure, a little bit of self doubt as
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to why it all happened, Iguess, because I definitely know that things
in my twenties have caught up withme. I think a lot of people
can identify with that. But whenit comes to my particular health and the
issues that are within me, therewere things that were done in my early
in my twenties, basically mostly mytwenties, that I have no regret but
absolutely have led to me in myhealth care for sure. So I get
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angry with myself about my past,which is stupid because it can't change it.
I can just make it better orgo forward. But anyways, we
don't need to get more onto thatbecause we're already kicking a can down the
street. And I guess, Iguess some people get angry and a lot
of people say why me, whyme? Yeah, And you know other
people will be like, oh,well, good because God gave you a
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purpose to do with this. It'sGod's plan. If you want to believe
that, then it's your truth.Yes, to go out. Gave you
that. And then what do Ido with this? What does you want
me to do with it? Orshe or whatever? What does a universe
want me to do? What doI want to do with this? And
really do not to sound all yodaish, but if you really dig deep,
dig deep down, you know whatyou want to do with it?
The answer is within you. Youdon't have to like wait for a sign.
(37:22):
You decide what is it that Itruly believe I can do and want
to do with this? It's wonderful. Where can we find you online?
My girl, Ronnie Low it's justmy last name Elo Lowisa, So Ronnie
Low Life Coach is my website Ronnier O N and I E L O
Life Coach. It's all one word, but it'll be on your show notes.
(37:43):
Ronnielolifecoach dot com my website and that'sreally my handle everywhere Instagram, Facebook,
I have a Facebook hopeful of wonderfulwomen, so look for me in
there and uh yeah, that's mysocial quest for Ronnie Low Life coach.
I love it. Thank you somuch. Is there anything that you'd like
to leave our listeners with before wejam on? Ata? Here? You
can. You can be set inyour ways. I'll get the eight twenty
(38:06):
fifty nine this summer. You canbe set in your ways. We're all
set in all ways, but youdon't have to be stuck. I love
it so very much. Thank youso much for your time with me today,
Ronnie. I'm sure we'll be talkingsoon, Okay, and schul your
massage and your mom oh my goodness, thank you. Only women do birth
months, by the way. Ohman, it's been a pleasure. Thank
(38:30):
you so much, Ronnie. Youare exclusively invited to share this celebrating yourself,
taking care of yourself with new habits, tiny habits that will go forever
for you. Guys, Let's getto the heart of how to heal with
you by my side. Do youknow anybody that needed to hear this conversation
today. I know there are bitsand pieces throughout it, even though I'd
(38:51):
already met her, that I neededto get from this episode today. But
if you do take it all inwith you, Ronnie and I are here
for you. If you have anyquestions about anything, we will have everything
in show notes, have everything upon social for you. Guys, you
can always find Ronnie Welcome to thePain Game Podcast. That's what we're here
for, right Let's connect together andhear your stories of strength and grit.
I am here to provide you witha safe space to be vulnerable and honest
(39:14):
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