Master The Upper Rooms

Healing doesn’t happen all at once, and it doesn’t always look the way we expect. In this episode, Lyndsay Soprano sits down with hypnotherapist Kerie Logan for a conversation that moves beyond surface-level self-help and dives straight into the heart of transformation.

Kerie shares her personal journey into hypnotherapy and the trauma-informed approach she now brings to her practice—one rooted in safety, compassion, and a deep understanding of how the body and mind hold onto pain. Together, she and Lyndsay talk about what it means to truly feel safe in your healing, why self-love isn’t optional, and how shame and judgment can quietly derail even the strongest among us.

This isn’t about quick fixes or bypassing the hard stuff. It’s about tuning into your own frequency, embracing the weird and the woo, and realizing that healing happens in layers, not on a timeline. Kerie introduces the idea of 3D, 4D, and 5D consciousness, not as some far-off spiritual theory, but as a way to understand where we’re stuck… and where we’re headed.

If you’ve been feeling disconnected, broken, or stuck in your pain, this episode is your permission slip to begin again with softness, honesty, and maybe a little hypnosis.

Tune in if you’re ready to trade judgment for curiosity—and start healing on your own terms.

Find Kerie Logan Online Here:
Website: www.empoweredwithin.com
Website: www.mastertheupperrooms.com
Website: www.undetectednarcissist.com
Instagram: @mastertheupperooms
YouTube: Master the Upper Rooms of Human Consciousness
YouTube: Empowered Within Hypnosis
LinkedIn: Kerie Logan
Podcast: Undetected Narcissist
Podcast: Master the Upper Rooms of Human Consciousness

Find The Pain Game Podcast Online Here:
Website: thepaingamepodcast.com
Instagram: @thepaingamepodcast
Facebook: The Pain Game Podcast
LinkedIn: Lyndsay Soprano
YouTube: The Pain Game Podcast

Episode Highlights:
(00:00) Introduction to Chronic Pain and Trauma Healing
(03:09) Kerie’s Journey into Hypnotherapy
(09:30) The Power of Hypnotherapy and Self-Healing
(15:29) Building Trust in Hypnotherapy
(21:00) Creating a Non-Judgmental Space for Healing
(23:16) Breaking Free from Self-Judgment
(24:38) Harnessing the Power of Rebellion
(25:05) Understanding Pain and Its Positive Aspects
(26:23) Emotional Pain vs. Physical Pain
(27:12) Healing Through Soul Conversations
(29:12) Transforming Relationships with Forgiveness
(30:34) Lessons from Painful Experiences
(32:26) The Role of Trauma in Personal Growth
(33:35) Generational Trauma and Its Impact
(34:25) Embracing Authenticity and Rebellion
(35:39) The Healing Process and Its Challenges
(37:00) Crafting a Personalized Healing Journey
(38:18) Intuitive Healing and Spiritual Guidance
(40:39) Resources for Healing and Growth
(43:43) Final Thoughts on Pain and Healing

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is Your Pain Game podcast where we talk about
the game of living in and with chronic pain and trauma,
getting to the heart of how to heal. I am
your host, Lindsay Soprano. On the show, I plan on
discussing with doctors, chronic pain patients, holistic practitioners, loved ones,
and anybody that is interested in having their voice.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Heard in the chronic pain and trauma world that we
live in.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
What is being trauma informed? I can tell you right
now that I am trauma informed, and so is my guest.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Today.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I'm going to read a definition of it, which I
don't tend to do a lot of reading here on
this show, but I will write now. So Trauma informed
is an approach that recognizes the widespread impact of trauma
and understands potential paths for recovery. That emphasize is physical, psychological,
and emotional safety for both providers and those receiving services,

(01:05):
promoting a sense of control and empowerment. This approach shifts
the focus from what's wrong with you to what happened
to you, and then to what's strong with you, which
is interesting and I've never heard that third part of it.
It's always been what's wrong with you versus what happened
to you?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I love this what's strong with you?

Speaker 1 (01:26):
That made me like, oh man, I'm just like got
the chills even thinking about it. So I read this
definition because it's incredibly important for today's conversation. So we're
going to dive deeper into what that means and how
it can be used in all of our relationships, including
our doctors, our caregivers, practitioners, loved ones. I have fired
more doctors and practitioners by not having a trauma informed

(01:47):
approach to care than I would like to mention.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
But I want what I want.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
So today we're gonna chat with my de gorgeous guess
about hypnotherapy and human consciousness, a little bit about quantum
healing if we get there being trump informed, of course,
lives between lives and past life regression, what that actually means,
shame spiraling, and so much much more. So, without further ado,
I would like to introduce to you my beautiful guest, Carrie.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Logan, Hello, my darling.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
Hello, dear, you are such a delight.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Oh my god, delight.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I'm not sure if everybody's ever used the word delight
when they think of me.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Well, you are a breath of fresh era because you're
like bold and you're honest and you're raw and you're
real and you're truthful. And I love connecting with people
like that. I hate it when it's so fake and
like a person's wearing a someone's pretending they're wearing a mask.
It's like, no, let's just be our authentic self and

(02:46):
have a real conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Right, And it's not.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
I mean, I'm fairly I'm structured a little bit here
on this show, but I also just like to have
organic conversations with everybody that's here because all of the
questions that are sent in, like, oh, these are the
questions I can ask. So everybody's asked you the same questions.
That means the same conversation. So that's not what happens here.
Can I introduce you though, Oh I hope so all right?

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Ms Carrie.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
She is a human consciousness guide, which we're going to
get into, clinical hypnotherapist and empowerment strategists with over two
decades of experience helping people around the world create lives
they love. Voted again today, we just found out she
was voted best hypnotherapist in her region. Now for fifteen
consecutive years. She's trained in a wide range of healing modalities,

(03:33):
from Trauma informed Therapy NLP to quantum healing, hypnosis, shadow work,
and the lot.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
From there, I am rolling out the red carpet for you, babe.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I would actually like to start a conversation today about
what like what got you into hypnotherapy and the human consciousness?
Like what led you here? What charges you up about it?
And then let's take it from there.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Okay, great way to start. So, like most people, I
did what I thought I needed to do to put
food on the table, pay the bills, YadA, YadA, YadA.
And I was in sales and marketing, and I was
very good at it. And when nine to eleven happened
in the economy tanked, I couldn't find a job. I

(04:14):
was running out of my second round of unemployment benefits,
and I was a single mom and I was about
to become homeless. And I went to see a spiritual
friend of mine who gave me a reading, and she said, Carrie,
everything you've done here is complete your purpose you're calling
in life. The perfect job for you is waiting in California,

(04:36):
and it's just there for you, and I looked at her, like,
I can't do that. You know, I don't get child sport,
I can't move there. She's like, no, this job will
be handed to you. It's your purpose, you're calling in life.
And so, like most people, I was stuck in fear.
That was a huge leap, a huge leap for me
to take. And when I was about to be evicted,

(05:00):
you know, from my place, I decided to take her
advice because I was not going to sleep in my car.
I was. The state was going to help put my
stuff in storage, but that was about it. So I
called a family friend. Yeah, it was devastating. Called a
family friend in the Sacramento area and I told her
my situation. I said, can I stay there and look

(05:21):
for a job and she said yes. So I put
all my stuff in storage. The state paid for that
and moved down there. A week later, I get a
call about my resume online and the gentleman says, can
you meet me at this center that I'm opening up
a new one, And he didn't say anything about it.
All the advertisement wanted was someone that did have sales

(05:43):
and marketing experience, but wanted to make the world a
better place. And that's where I was at. I wanted
to make the world a better place, and so I
show up and it was a positive change. As hypnosis clinic,
they had about I think sixty sixty five centers across
the US. There's actually some still, I think in Canada.

(06:03):
And I walked in and I was like, oh my god.
I know about hypnosis. I know about meditation, creative visualization.
I grew up with that. And he shows me a
tour of this new center being built. And when he
sits with me in the conference room, I take out
my portfolio. I had a binder that was like three

(06:23):
inches thick of everything I've done. And I said, hey,
do you want to see my portfolio? And he's like, no,
you already got the job. I knew I was going
to hire you the minute I read your resume. It's yours.
He's like, let's talk about you know, salary, vacation that stuff,
with like, no, the job is yours. So she was
correct there. It was handed to me, and so the

(06:45):
owner wanted, you know, once he got to meet me,
the owner said, I want you to get trained in hypnotherapy.
I think you would be great at this. And so
I got all free training. I got training in weight, life, smoking, pain,
hypno birthing, cancer, personal change, and I got trained in NLP,

(07:07):
which is neuro linguistic programming. But now here's the kicker.
The company was started by two brothers, Michael and Patrick Porter,
and Michael was my district manager and we became best buds.
And he said, I have met hundreds of hypnotherapists, but
I've never met anyone like you. And as soon as

(07:28):
he knew about my intuitive, spiritual side, he said that
was the cherry on top. You should have your own business.
You should be self employed. He's like, you're too good
for this place. And he actually gifted me five hundred
dollars worth of free software web development software to start
an online business, which was very nice. So the day

(07:49):
before Thanksgiving, I got in a disagreement with one of
the owner's sisters and I go to my manager and
I say, hey, I think she's trying to get me fired,
and she says to me, actually she is, and here's
your final check. And I looked at her and I'm like,
what you just gave me an award this year, I'm
the best one here. I got three months of clients book.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Because that's not where you're supposed to be, baby, and.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Exactly, and she says, but she's family and you're not.
You have to go. And so I went home and
I prayed, and I was like, God, if this is
my calling, what I am meant to do, my purpose,
give me a sign that's so clear I can't mistake
it because I know this is my gift, this is
my calling. I love what I do. And so I

(08:37):
got inspired, just like you call a calling, to call
that woman up. And I left her a voicemail and
I thanked her for firing me, and I forgave her,
and I said, I'm going to look back at this
as a blessing in disguise, So thank you. So the
very next day, a client that became a friend and
is still one of my very good friends came over

(08:59):
for thanks Giving and she said, I don't understand why
they did this, but I've been sitting on this nest
egg and I want to give this to you, no
strings attached. You really should be doing this. And I
opened the Thanksgiving card and inside of it was a
check for ten thousand dollars and she looked at me
and said, start your own business. And when I talked

(09:22):
to Michael Porter about what happened, he said, well, Carrie,
the universe had to kick you in the butt because
you were so dedicated you wouldn't have left on your own.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah, you were stuck in.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
You were stuck in that place that was such a
positive experience for you though, Yes.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
Yeah, yes, And it was amazing, And I built my
practice and I got to a place to where in
twenty twelve, I woke up one day and was told,
you know, by spirit, higher conscious, whatever you want to
call it, our creator, You're going to write this book

(09:57):
and here's the table of contents, and go sit in
in front of your computer and start typing. And so
that book is affirming and focusing on living a better life.
And I channeled that whole book.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Holy moly, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
So we're talking about hypnotherapy and self healing and being
an intuitive. I know that a lot of people, there
are a lot of people that are like, well, this
is wo wu. I'm turning this off immediately. I know
I am a huge woo wu person, and I can
tell you why, because nothing else has helped me outside
of wo woo stuff. I mean, honest to God, no medications,

(10:34):
no tests, no, no, nothing has until I actually do
work on myself in different levels of my human consciousness,
which is basically what I would like to talk to
you a little bit about.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Why does this even work? What is this process? How
do you do this?

Speaker 1 (10:51):
And then we get these big, like amazing results from it.
Let's let's educate us a little bit about what this is,
because you know what it is.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
But we don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
So let me educate you in two ways that everyone
will grasp this concept. Great, when someone gets angry, what
do we all tell them to do? Calm down, get grounded,
get balanced, because we all know if you make a
choice a decision at that lower level frequency of anger,

(11:25):
which vibrates at one point fifty, you're going to sabotage yourself.
Yes you will, one hundred percent. And when your.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Response would have been different actually than what you said,
calm down, ground yourself.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Mine is fuck off right now? Yes, it is exactly.
It vibrates that is really bad level.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
That if you anger can actually be a positive because
it raises you up to find a positive solution. Ooh, okay,
it really does. I tell people anger isn't always bad.
It's a motivator. So it can motivate you to do
something that maybe you were procrastinating, that you didn't want

(12:05):
to do, and it takes courage. That's the first step
of forty human consciousness is the frequency of two hundred.
You jump up to courage, You find solutions, you solve problems,
and right above that two point fifty is where you
are grounded, balanced and centered. You have confidence, you know
you can do this your solution oriented. You're trying to

(12:29):
find something that's going to be constructive instead of destructive,
because if you make that choice out of angry, you're
just so pissed and impatient, you're going to blow it.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
The other example is when we all since you said
the F word, when we.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
All fuck up, it's like favorite word.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
What do we say? What do we say to someone
that we know we fucked up? We say, please forgive me.
I am sorry, I made a mistake. You know I
screwed up. Please forgive me. That is forty human consciousness.
That is forgiveness. And if that person cannot forgive you,
then they are stuck in the black and white, rigid

(13:12):
ways of thinking of three D and it breaks your
heart when they don't forgive you. It does. And that's
what I call emotional maturity. You can find forgiveness, you
can find reasoning and understanding, and you can accept the
truth that we're all perfectly imperfect. Everybody makes mistakes. That's

(13:34):
I don't call them mistakes, their errors in judgment. That's
how we learn. You know, when we were a little
kid and we fell down, our parents didn't yell at
us and say you're stupid, get back up. No, they
were like, oh you fell down, let me help you
back up. They showed you compassion and warmth and tenderness.
And so that's the real big thing is all the

(13:57):
destructive emotions behave patterns and mindsets of shame, guilt, depression, grief, regret, sadness, fear, jealousy, envy, competition, cheating, anger,
you know, vanity, self righteousness, scorekeeper, deflecting the truth, judgment,
control freaks, two faced gossip. That's all three D human consciousness.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Right, you just listened like almost all the things about me.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
And forty is courage, respect, confidence, liberation, satisfaction. You're adaptable,
you're optimistic, you're upbeat, you're forgiving your emotional calm, you're
level headed, you're reasonable person, you're caring. That's forty. And

(14:45):
then when you get up to five D, you're loving,
you're playful, you're kind, you're churing, you're nurturing, your supportive.
It's like when you first met me, you said, I
feel safe with you.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
I did.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
I absolutely feel safe with you, and I do right now.
And safety huge issue for me. And you just name
the areas that I feel unsafe safe in them.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
Well, that's the thing about healthcare that you were talking about.
You have to have a healthcare provider that is there
because they care. You're not just a number. You're a person.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
You're not a chart.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yes you're not. And we need that. And that's the
hard thing, you know, because it is called health hype
and care. If you don't care, you should not be
in the healthcare industry.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, Like why did you get into this in the
first place? Like, honestly, that's the question that I now
ask because quite.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Frankly, i'm their client. I'm interviewing them. Yeah, you also
is an interview.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I'm asking you what you can do to make my
life better. And this is any this is any practitioner,
whether it be in the wu Wu space or whether
it be in the Western medicine space, whatever it may be,
do you have to have that courage to say, you
know what, I'm here today to interview you to see
if you might be a good match for me, not
the opposite, correct.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Because they'll say, yes, everybody, give me a break, right,
You got to.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Pay for that five hundred dollars band aid somehow, you
know what I mean. But so when you're working with people,
when you're working with your clients and they're coming to
you and they're trusting you with their subconscious mind, they're
trusting you to put you into spaces to have conversations
that they may not even know what they're going to
be saying to you. That's a scary kind of a feeling,
right where I'm gonna lay down and.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
She's gonna do what to me, She's gonna snapper feelings.
We have such.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
Cliche high school grad night versions of what hypnosis is,
where you can make the football players dance like ballerinas
on stage. That's the experience that most of us have
had with hypnotherapy and human consciousness works. So can you
talk a little bit about how that works and why
it actually works because I think the why behind it
is so fascinating.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
The why behind it is very fascinating, and the easiest
way for me to describe it is a smoke. A
smoker consciously knows they should not be smoking. Okay, they
know that, So think about it. Is they have a
green light consciously to quit smoking, but in their subconscious
mind it's red. They have programmed it like your cell phone,
like a computer, to do exactly what you taught it.

(17:18):
Smoking is just a habit. Yeah, okay, it is a
habit period. And so when you slow down your brainweight patterns,
and that's through relaxation, whether it is meditation, guided imagery, visualization,
even when you go to sleep at night, you're slowing
down your brain weigh patterns. You then open up the

(17:39):
doorway to your subconscious mind. And when that door is
open and I say there's always something better to do
than smoke, the smoker is in their mind nodding their head,
going yes.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
There is no no kidding.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
And then a subconscious mind can hear and it goes, oh,
that's what you want me to do. Okay, I'll change
the operating system for you. And so I tell people
I always record the process because I don't want a
band aid. I want you to have permanent results. And
so it does take thirty days for a new habit,

(18:14):
behavior way of thinking to happen, because I tell people,
you've been smoking for how many years? And I'm asking
you just to dedicate thirty days to yourself.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, just thirty.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Days to relax and listen and to just let go.
And everything I say is what you've already know yourself.
It's everything positive, and it's amazing how it worked. I
worked with one guy that smoked two packs a day,
was an ex marine sergeant that said, I have to

(18:45):
do this or else it's going to kill me, you know.
And I don't like anyone fucking with my head or
being in my head. And mad he said, but I
trust you. I've read all your reviews, what people have
to say about me. And he's like, so I'm taking
this chance on you. And literally, in January of this year,
it's been five years, he text messaged me and said,

(19:06):
I said, I want to say thank you. It's five
years now, you know who?

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Oh my god, I just got chilled. I was like,
five years later, he just know, no, text.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
Me every year.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
I love that fonderful.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
That's the funny thing. I do become friends with a
lot of my clients because they're just like, oh my god,
you know this person.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Well, you're somebody that's easy to chit chat with and
like again safe, Like I feel like I can tell
you anything, which is what's scary about when you think
about somebody coming in and like tapping into your noodle. Right,
it's like, but I like that you that you spoke
about it in a way where it's already information, you
already know.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yes, you already have this information.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
All you're doing is kind of like open up the door,
thrown some wind through those curtains.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, and yeah, I think come with me over here.
It's okay. It's gonna be okay over here.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
And that's the thing is you need someone that is
that safe space because there has to be a lot
of trust. And some people have said to me, like,
you know, what is better. Is it better to have
a male hypnotist or a female And I tell people,
just because of the trauma that I've experienced, there's no
way I would have a male hypnotherapist. I would only

(20:18):
feel more safe and comfortable with a woman. And that's
and that's me. And there's sometimes where men, you know,
have something that's really deep and personal and I tell them, well,
maybe I'm not the right fit. Maybe a man would
be better for you. Because this is a delicate subject
and it's very very personal.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah, one of the things that I'm curious about. And
I don't think that this is going to be you
in any way, shape or form, but I'm just curious
as a whole. Like for me, I'm thinking of being
hypnotized and being judged, for example, like being judged on
past decision making or being judged on this because I
was raised in a shame spiraling environment, being in a

(21:01):
really right wing Christian home, and so I've kind of
I'm all screwed up in the noodle from the Jesus
stuff that happened to me as a kid. And that's
a whole other, long story. But I've always felt this
shame and judgment and always, always, always, always, I have
carried that forever. I did not know that that's what
I was doing until I started the show, and people

(21:22):
like yourself were like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's what's been
going on.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
You know.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
So it doesn't make me feel as bad, but for
people that are feeling like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna
I don't know what I'm gonna say, Like, is she
gonna judge me?

Speaker 2 (21:32):
How do you answer a question like that? Because that's tough.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
If you read pretty much my testimonial page on empowered
within dot com, everyone pretty much says she is so
non judgmental, she has a gift, she's like from God,
you know, like she's an angel. Whatever. They say this
because it's not my place to judge anybody.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Period. I am here to be of service, and that
that's what it is. And I worked very, very hard
to clear my vessel of all the trauma and all
the junk so I can be that safe, loving, nurturing
space for people to where you could tell me your
most deepest, darkest secrets. And actually I've gotten to the

(22:18):
place where I'm so good that people have said to me,
I expected to have a coffee conversation with you, and
in ten minutes you took me to the deep end
of the ocean. How do you do that? And it's
because of that unconditional love I have for humanity. I'm
here to heal, I'm here to uplift people. I'm here
to have people not stay stuck in three D of

(22:41):
the suffering and the shame and the doubt. I want
you to be the best version of you. And so
I've worked with one woman and in two minutes I
looked at her and I said, ooh, you're temporarily narcissistic.
And I said it with a smile, and she's like,
you're right. I have this huge f you wall. I
send it out everywhere, telling everyone like, fuck off, leave

(23:03):
me alone. And I said, oh no, I can see it,
I can feel it. And I said, but you know what,
that's okay. I get it. I get it, and we
can fix this. And she laughed and we both laughed.
And that's the cool thing is you can laugh at
your crap. You can laugh at your oll me.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
That's the only thing I can do right now, like
honest to God, like the sananigans that I've pulled throughout
my entire life have just been unbelievable. How some of
the decisions that I made contributed to my body's health today.
One hundred percent. Am I aware of those decisions? One
hundred percent?

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Am I thrilled with myself about them? Not so much?

Speaker 1 (23:39):
But I don't. But I don't like wake up every
morning I'm like, oh my god, what a horrible human
being I am. Because I'm not a horrible human being.
I just made some crappy decisions when I was in
my twenties and my thirsies.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
I don't know how many of us didn't.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
But for me, being raised the way I was, all
I think about is stuff like that. Things that like
that wasn't really that big of a deal. But I
was shamed into feeling like no matter what I did,
even good or bad to a certain extent, if it
didn't align with exactly what was in my parents movie.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
It did certainly my mother's, not so much my dad's.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
But it's like, if I didn't align even to this moment,
I'm still like just this judged human being. And I
don't get it, and I need to shake it because
it gets in the way of my productivity, it gets
in the way of my self care. Get because I
self sabotage in certain moments because I might, well fuck that,

(24:33):
then all self sabotage.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
And I got an intuitive hit for you, and it's
the rebellious side of you, of course. And what you
do is you can flip the script of the rebellion
where you can say I no longer need to do this.
It served a purpose at one time, but now it's
old and outdated, and I want to harness this strong resilience,

(25:00):
empowered part of me that rebelled so strong, to heal
my body, to transform my body, and to love me.
And that's why I say, when I teach the human consciousness,
all the tools and gifts we need for others and
ourself exist in the forty and five D states. We

(25:21):
have to give our self forgiveness, self love, self compassion. Yes,
we do not just to others, because that's what people
pleasers do. They give every that to everybody, but not themselves.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
And the people pleasers dot Com. If you go there,
there's a big picture of me. So how does this
process work? I sign up and I'm working with you?
What do you do with me from day one?

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Ah? So what I would want to find out from
you from day one is I would want to know
about your pain is what is it giving you in
a positive way?

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Yep, I got I've got an answer to that right here.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
We'd really want to know because sometimes people, if it's
giving them too much of a positive they won't want
to stop. And I remember one time this one woman.
I said, well, how would it be for you if
you were pain free? What would that mean to you? Well,
I'd have to go back to work. I'd have to
get a job. And I'm like, well, what is more
important to you not having a job and lying around

(26:23):
and not having to be employed, or having optimum health
and well being and you feel good in your body?
What speaks to you? And sometimes this was a fascinating one.
There was a gentleman that I had a session with
him on pain and at the end of the session,
he said, my pain moved from the right side of
my body to the left. And I said, ooh, that's

(26:45):
not physical pain, that's emotional pain.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Oh. Absolutely, And emotion is just energy and motion, right,
So yeah, and that's so interesting.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Somebody asked me on an episode a guest of mine
this is I think season one, and it remained very
true in my in my brain, it just popped out
when you said it. And she asked me, well, what
are you so afraid of of not living in pain anymore?

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Yeah? I don't know. Well, because it's look at it
this way. It's been your podcast, it's been your life.
It's all the followers and and and it's a huge
part of your life. It's a beautiful part of your life.
And the thing is is you can overcome that and
be that beacon of light that I don't need to

(27:31):
be in pain anymore.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, she's picking up something right now, I am.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
It's connected to the shame, the self righteous shame. Yeah.
I was like, ooh, and it's like.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
You can't even go out to dinner with my mom
and make eye contact right now.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
And there's that yes, And so she's that trigger point
for you, and so what you have to Okay, so
I have a.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
Time love her, don't get me wrong, but it and
this is just I just have now realized that it
actually wasn't my birth father that was my issue. It
was my mom. I hope you're not listening to this episode.
She doesn't listen anyway.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Okay, I want to teach you this technique and all
the listeners here, okay, and it's going to sound woo woo,
but trust me, this won't care.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Don't care.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
We have this physical form, and we also have a spirit,
which is this life experience with all the consciousness, and
then we have our soul. What I want you to
do is I want you to close your eyes, and
I want you to just connect to your mom's soul,
to her higher self, and I want you to have
a conversation with that higher self because that higher self

(28:42):
is not judgmental at all. It is completely neutral, does
not take sides. And I want you to say you
know that I am sorry. I couldn't be the daughter
you wanted me to be.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
She's now you're really going to have me start crying.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
I know, and please forgive me. I love you because
you created me in your womb and you have made
me this strong, resilient, empowered woman, and I know your
soul doesn't want me to suffer. I know you want
me to heal because you love me because you created me.

(29:20):
And so I'm asking you to please forgive me because
I'm forgiving myself and I'm setting this intention to heal
my body. And I thank you for this opportunity to
talk to you today from a soul perspective instead of
the human experience. And I love you, and I know

(29:43):
your soul wants me to be happy, and I want
you to be happy, and I want you to appreciate
me and see the beauty that's within me and say
thank you, thank you for giving me this time. You know,
I love you, Please forgive me. I'm sorry, and really
get that feeling that her soul, her higher self, is

(30:04):
saying it's okay because that's what a nurturing, loving, safe,
supporting mom would do and should do. But she doesn't
have it in her and that's okay because it wasn't
given to her either. And when you feel that, even
see in your mind you hugging her. And she's not mean,
she's not distant, she's not cruel, she's just completely neutral.

(30:28):
She's the mom you always wanted her, and that's her soul.
And when you get that, then you just open your
eyes and you can feel the difference. I mean, it
really changes things because in the human experience, we get stuck,
so stuck in the shame, so stuck in the disappointment,

(30:51):
like why couldn't you love me the way that a
parent should love you. Like here's a good example when
I will cry about this.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Somebody else needs to cry around here.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
My dad did horrible, horrible, horrible things to me, horrible
things and I couldn't understand why why someone like that
would do these things to me, and then what speaks
to me said, you know what, He's really not your father.
He's the one that created you. But I am your
true father. I am I'm the one that loves you

(31:26):
so much more than he could possibly love you. And
when I got that realization, I was like, you're right,
He's just the sperm donor who could not love me
the way that I deserve to be loved. And the
same thing about my mom. I mean, my mom was
you know, broken by him in so many ways. And

(31:47):
I realized that my creator made me like this so
that I could speak this truth to help people get
out of that human experience and into the sole perspective
that all of us need to be kinder, more loving,
more compassionists. And there are some humans on this world
that just don't have it in them.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
No, I mean absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
But if I can rise out of that human experience
and connect to the soul. It's like one guy I
used to be his boss when I was in the
wine industry, and when I had lunch with him a
couple of months ago and he told me his sorry,
sad story of his second divorce. I looked at him
and I said, well, what did she teach you? What

(32:31):
lessons did you learn? Can you see the gifts she
gave you? And he looked at me just so puzzled,
so puzzled, and I said, everyone here is a student
and a teacher for one another. What gifts did she
give you? And he texted me just a few days
ago and said, I finally got the answer, and my
list is endless. Thank you, thank you, because I wanted

(32:55):
him to see that she taught you self worth, self
respons You need to set boundaries, you need to love yourself.
You were such a people pleaser. You were stuck in
the salvation attitude because she was stuck on drugs and
didn't want to quit drugs. And you told me yourself
that you could have went down that bad path of

(33:16):
addictive behaviors. But no, she brought you closer to God
and that was a gift and so look at it,
and you still love her. And that's the hardest lesson
she's teaching you is unconditional love. So instead of praying
thinking that you're a failure, you sucked at everything, pray
that she'll find her way. Have compassion for her and

(33:38):
as well as yourself, and like it totally transformed the
way he viewed it. He got out of shame, out
of guilt, out of remorse, out of despair, and into
a place of compassion and acceptance. I'm like, she is
your greatest teacher. The most painful people in our lives
are our greatest teachers. Either they destroy you, yeah, either

(34:00):
they destroy you or you have that strength and resilience.
And that's what that trauma is all about.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, this is definitely strength and resilience for me for sure,
because there's nothing there's there is a nut, there is
a give.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Up on me, bone and me. But that comes from
pain and brain.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
And so that's a whole, separate, little part of my
brain that like developed in chronic pain.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I don't even know how to explain it, but.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
It's a part of you that feels or believe that
I deserve to be punished, that I deserve to suffer
because I'm such a bad girl, and why can't my
mom love me? So maybe if I'm in all this pain,
she'll finally accept me and see me and comfort me.
But in a way she still can't do that.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
She can't at all.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
She can't at all. And so what you do is
you give it to her, and you apologize to her
in your mind, and you realize that this is why
you're here, is to heal that, and that actually is
a part of generational trauma because a lot of people
don't realize it. We can store up to seven generations
of trauma in our DNA.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
And that's insane. That's insane. Well, you're hired easy self.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
No, I mean it's it's pretty it's pretty unbelievable. Like
I don't want to sit here and like talk smack
on my mom because that's not what this is about.
But because she is a decent human being, she does
good things, Like I just always have felt so insignificant
or not good enough or whatever, all of those things.
And so I went into performing, and I went into rebellion,

(35:34):
and I went into all these other places, in all
these spaces, some of which came that has nothing to
do with her at all, just crap that happened to
me when I was a little girl too, and that
she knows nothing about and we'll never know anything about.
And I'm okay with that. And I've lived a life
of protecting her more than I have felt protected. And
so that's something that I've been trying to work through

(35:57):
mostly on the show, because this is the best therapy
that girl's got.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
It is, well, look at it this way. Her life,
she conformed, she did what society thought a good girl
should do. And you came into this life, into this body,
to say, no, I'm not going to conform. I don't
want to be I don't want to wear a mask.
I'm gonna honor me. I want to be my authentic self.

(36:24):
And even though you repelled in ways that we're destructive
to your body, you can also correct it and you
see the wisdom and the errors of our ways because
no one is perfect, no one, And I would rather
rather be rebellious and all of that then conform and

(36:47):
be a sheep, be a robot. I mean, I have
always been told my whole life that I am the
black sheep of the family, and at first that wounded me,
and now I am so damn proud.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
But yes, this has been this emotional, but it's good.
I knew emotion was going to come out at some
point during this episode with you, my dear. Oh, it always,
but that's the point is it is energy and motion.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
We've got to get it out.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
It's better out than in we say that about all
things in life's open. But man, this this kind of
work is intense. Yes, when you work with people and
I know you, I said, use me as a guinea pig,
and you can any guests can always use me as
a guinea pig on things.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
But when you're sitting down, how does this work? Are
we on? You work with us on zoom?

Speaker 1 (37:38):
I presume you work with us and not just in person,
but also you can do this virtually. Yeah, I mean
obviously you're just working with me just now on it.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
So yeah, and I do offer a free fifteen minute consultation.
It could be over the phone, it could be zoom.
I'm very good at what I what I do. I
had one guy say, I've been in therapy for over
ten years and you nailed me in ten minutes. How
do you do that? Yes, because I use that intuitive
side of me and I really listen to you. And

(38:09):
that's the thing is I think about everyone is like
making a pie or a cake. I want to know
all the ingredients that has created this dysfunction, this disharmony
within you. So the pre talk is so important because
I gather all those ingredients and then I tell you. Okay,

(38:31):
this is how I'm going to craft it. This is
how I'll do your relaxation induction. I'll throw in some
self sabotage, I'll do a parts therapy. I'll do let's say,
inner child healing. I'll you know, I'll do future pacing.
I could do clearing generational trauma. We could clear the
past life stuff, whatever it is. I the pre talk

(38:52):
is so important because I want you to be congruent
and I want that green light consciously, I really really do.
It's just creating that safe healing space for you. And
that's what it boils down to, is giving you the
messages that you need to hear because you know it consciously.

(39:16):
But back there, it's.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
They're having their own damn party. Back here, they're just
doing their own thing.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Well, and the thing is there's no parents back here.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yes, and that's okay.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
You know what a kegger every day of my life
in the back of my head.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
And that's okay. And you can tell them, hey, we're
going to put you know, the kegger down and we're
going to do this now. Yeah, And then that's where
you future pace, and that's so important because you want
those rebellious, angry, disappointed parts to integrate, like all the
pieces of the puzzle coming together. You want it to integrate,

(39:54):
and you show them what life could be, what is
possible for us, and so it will better.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Be able to get me dancing again, young lady, or
you're fired.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
No, I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
I feel like you're gonna be able to get me
dancing again. But I knew that the second that I
met you.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
It was weird. I was like, I'm gonna have to
have this woman in my life. So congratulations to you.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
Well I worked with You know, there was a Catholic
nun in the community that literally had PTSD so bad
the church couldn't help her heal and she tried running
through a glate glass plate window and it didn't shatter, literally,
and that she knew. Okay, yeah, a Catholic nun tried
to take her life and someone in the Wow people

(40:39):
in the community were like, you've got to see this woman,
and yeah, no kidding me. She saw me and literally
it goes against her religion. And at the end of
the session, she said to me, do you know God
talks to you? And I said, how do you know?
She's like because everything you said, everything you describe, and

(41:00):
I felt it was like you were holding my hand.
You were there with me every step of the way.
And I said, I was. It was totally unscripted. I
just sat in front of my mic I channeled what
wanted to come in for her. That's what I was
guided to do. And it worked and in two sessions
her PTSD was gone, Wow, yeah, and we had deep

(41:21):
She even called me her spiritual advisor because I would
tell her this is what's going on with the nuns.
She didn't know why they didn't like her, And I'm like,
were they're all there for trauma? Yeah, you know when
you think about it, and these women were all old,
like in their eighties and stuff. I said, some didn't
want to get married, some were abused as a child,

(41:43):
and some you know, couldn't find a job. And where
are they supposed to go? They don't want to be homeless.
They you know, they it was a safe haven for them.
But the problem is is they still have the trauma
and they're still angry. And I said, why they don't
like you was because you lived, you got married, you
had a child, you had a life, and when your
kid grew up that's when you joined the monastery, so

(42:05):
they're jealous and envious of you.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
I seriously feel like we can sit here and talk
for the rest of the day.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
There's a lot of wisdom, and there's.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
So much wisdom in you, and I'm gonna pull it
right out of you and give it to me.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
I've got my own wisdom too, my darling, but it's different.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
So Okay, there are a billion places to find you online.
What is the best place for people to find you online?
Like number one spot for people to go see about
your jam because if you're not hiring her after this conversation,
then you know.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Well right now, which surprises a lot of kidding. Well,
you want to talk about trauma. Oh, I know a
lot about trauma. I came out this year letting everyone
know the world know that I am the author of
the book The Undetected Narcissist. Angela Meyer and I have
the podcast The Undetected Narcissist, and I'm on season four
right now, and I'm talking about grace through acceptance, how

(43:03):
to forgive the unforgivable. I talk about people pleasing Ooh,
I'm going to talk about lessons I talk about Whaii
and how healing happens in layers. There's stuff about toxic parents,
toxic family, how to communicate with toxic people, about shadow
self and all that stuff is so important because everybody,

(43:25):
everybody on this planet does run into someone that is
toxic or narcissistic. We all do, and we.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Need unless you're a narcissist. Unless you're a narcissist, then
you don't.

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Yeah, so, and they can traumatize you when you're in
the dark and you don't know the games that they play.
We get traumatized.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Yeah, So where are we fighting you?

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Then? Are we going to undetected narcissists? Are we going
to empowered with? Then are we going to mass the
upper rooms? Where are we?

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Well? I say, go what calls you? Where do you
feel called to go?

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (44:01):
And go there? Because it's not about let's say me
plugging myself. It's about what do you need right now?
Because I'm here to be of service and I offer
so many different things, and I want you to be happy.
I want you to get out of the doom and
gloom or whatever it is and have peace of mind.

(44:23):
I want you to be living instead of existing. I
mean you can even just google my name k E.
R I E. Last name logan. I'm on insite Timer,
the meditation app.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
I'm on you insight Timer. I use it every day.
I'm now going to go to you. Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
Okay, okay, if you go there, you want to look
up the sofa TI frequencies. There's one actually for pain,
and there's some for actually healing and repairing damaged organs.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
You're my first insight Timer guests. I am so happy.

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Yeah, they're even on YouTube too, on that empowered within
all the frequency and I have descriptions and stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Well before we hit the dusty trails.

Speaker 1 (45:03):
There anything that you'd like to leave our listeners with
before we go?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Can?

Speaker 1 (45:08):
I will put all of your information and social media
of course in our email marketing.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
All of that I would.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Have to say is sometimes our pain is only temporary.
It doesn't have to be a life sentence. There is relief.
There is ways, because when you're so obsessed and so
focused on the pain, you're actually feeding into it. Think
about feeding a dragon. You gotta slow back and give

(45:35):
yourself more kindness and more grace. And there are so
many different things you can listen to hypnotherapy wise to
learn to forget about the pain. You might still have it,
but you're not so obsessed about it.

Speaker 1 (45:50):
Right, Well, thank you so much for your time. I
loved this conversation. Thank you for whoo pulling some out
of me. Looking forward to working with you, like legitimately.
And I can say that on air because I am
going to be working with her and then I'm gonna
be doing an episode about how wonderful I feel all

(46:10):
due to her and eyes work.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
That's gonna be great.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
So before we jam out of here, I have a
new bite sized extension of the Pain Game podcast. If
you go to Insta and you go to my bio,
my link and the bio, there's a place that says
submit your pain bite. In that little form, all you
can do is fill out your information you can.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
I will make sure that you're anonymous if you ask
me to be.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
You can record something on your phone and upload it
straight to the form and it's a little pain bite. Now,
this doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be something
totally painful.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
It can be what cracked you open this week, which
sits you back together.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
It can be something about your chaos, your aches, your
your crazy monkey brain.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Whatever it is that you want to talk about, good, bad, ugly,
do it.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Get it out there, even if it's just for a bite,
because it's worth being heard. Let me speak it out
loud for you on behalf of you, one raw, honest
to divide at a time.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
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Speaker 1 (47:04):
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