April 21, 2025 • 47 mins
Is it just a dream—or a doorway to another dimension? In this episode of The Paranoid Perspective, we untether from the physical and dive into the mysterious world of astral projection. From ancient spiritual practices to modern-day accounts, we break down what it means to have an out-of-body experience. Are we really capable of separating consciousness from the body, or is it all just a vivid illusion? Join us as we float through the theories, the science, and some seriously wild personal accounts that might leave you wondering what really happens when you close your eyes.
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(01:17):
The Paranoid Perspective by Jacobs. Today, we're going to talk
about something that is kind of creepy, kind of weird,
kind of woo. I'm not like super into all of this,
but I have definitely experienced this, so take that from
what it is. I know it's not a whole lot,
but you know, it was kind of wild when I
was a kid. But we're going to get into the
insidious nature of astral projection today.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I can't push know anything about I know some stuff,
but I've never experienced it like you have.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So I was about to say, have you ever experienced it?
Because I don't know. Man, Like, don't get me wrong,
Like I feel like human beings, like understanding of consciousness
isn't really that great. Yeah, you know, we don't really
know what it is. So some of this, like I said, guys,
where it's going to get a little woo, a little
out there. I'm not I'm not a wholehearted believer in this,
(02:08):
but I have had some experiences and we'll get we'll
get into that. But I kind of wanted to start
off with kind of like a basis idea and then
kind of there's some interesting things of like some different
cultures that have talked about astral projections, and I thought
that'd be a good way to kind of work our
way into this and maybe just maybe I might have
found an article on eleven steps on how you can
(02:31):
astral project.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Now I get practice, I know, right.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
But astral projection is also known as astral travel, soul journey,
soul wandering, spiritual journey, spiritual travel, you know, all the buzzwords,
you know, and it's just pretty much to describe an
out of body experience, and people like to put that
into an acronym as OBI that assumes the existence of
a subtle body known as the astral body or the
(02:58):
body of light. See, like I said, a lot of this,
I'm not like super into the WU.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, it's branding, the branding of it.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It is, it really is, if we're being honest. But
it's pretty much where your consciousness can function separately from
your physical body and travel through the astral plane or
the veil or whatever. The buzzword marketing like you said,
word you know, would be a part of it. But
I mean, the idea of astral projection is pretty ancient
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and it occurs in a bunch of different cultures. The
actual term astral projection wasn't coined and like really prominent
until like the nineteenth century, so that's not something that's
really ever been like a thing that's been said throughout history.
It's been more of a recent kind of account. But
people skeptics have usually chocked this up to halluci can't talk,
(03:52):
words are hard hallucined. How am I going? People that hallucinate?
There we go, There we go, Thank you Sarah, they
can't speak, there we go. Yeah, or you know, just
like very vivid dreams or something like that. You know,
It's it's never been anything that there's not really like
scientific evidence for this, you know. So that's why I
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kind of don't like a lot of this because you
get into those weirdos that are doing the wus.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
But it could be one of those this.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Goes all it could be. I mean, I don't know.
Like I said at the beginning, we don't really know
about consciousness, so's it's very easy to assume that, yeah,
if we can't see it, we can't touch it, we
can't measure it, that doesn't exist, which fair from a
scientific mindset. But I don't know. I think there's something
a little more to this, but it's getting some accounts
of some different ancient cultures. Ancient Egyptians had a concept
(04:44):
of a soul traveler. It appears in various different you know,
religious examples. For them, there was a teaching that the
soul called bah and ancient Egyptian was having the ability
to hover outside of the physical body or their subtle bodies.
So they had these rituals and stuff where probably some
(05:04):
sort of psychedelic was involved, most likely to give you
that you know, that open eye. That's true. And to
be fair, I think, like, have you ever heard of
the stoned ape theory? Yeah, so I really like that.
How you know, like when we were early hominids and
we were going out and you know, the rainforest started
receding in Africa and the plane started opening up, we
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started having to get different foods and whatnot. And one
of those foods were mushrooms that were being grown, you know,
under cow patties and stuff like that. And you know,
having something like that that might explain part of the
reason why you know, our brain size you know, exploded
in those early years of us. So it could have
something to do with the psychedelic stuff. There's another one
(05:46):
for the Amazon who believed you have the ability to
perform a soul flight that can serve several functions such
as healing. But pretty much, you're flying out to consult
with cosmological beings so.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
To get like more knowledge from them.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah that's cool. Yeah, that's what I thought. And it
was one of those things where when I was looking
at different things like this, like they're all different to
like a little like little variations, but they're all really similar.
Like you're going outside of your body to gain something
from somewhere else. You know, You're not. You're not just
(06:25):
going out there willy nilly and just flying around, you
know what I mean. Like you're you're interacting with other things,
whether those are actual beans or whether it's you know,
a religious experience, whatever you want to call it, you
know what I mean. But one of them was for
the Amazon people in particular, they would fly or they
I'm sorry that they would consult these cos cosmological beans
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the moon or the brother of the moon to obtain
names for their newborn.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Children, for their children, Okay, the brother of the moon,
the dark side.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Is that's what I'm thinking. I'm assuming here. I didn't
do a whole lot of research into like each one
of these individuals, but you know, yeah, yeah, and then
they would I try that. Yeah, I mean there are
other ones where they would, you know, go to different
parts of like Earth itself, supposedly for you know, praying
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for like abundance of game, or you know, seeking the
aids of other beings or something like that. There was
a purpose behind whenever they would do this. It wasn't
just like I said, they're just going out and doing whatever.
There was a reasoning behind it. Probably ceremonies and religious things,
most likely psychedelics involved once again, you know. So that's
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that's kind of where I think the common ground is
with a lot of these. But then there are some
Inuit groups individuals with special capabilities. I cannot pronounce this word.
It has a lot of k's and a few backwards letters.
I do not know how to say it. So I'm
going to do my best. Your King Cooly, I think
(08:04):
we're going to go with that sounds good to me.
They said they were able, Yeah, they said they were
able to travel to remote places and report their experiences
in important matters back to their community.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So it's almost like, yeah, they're leaving to go get
helpful information for the tribe.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, reconnaissance and these were yeah, well the spine, but
they were they were said to have the ability to
you know, stop like bad luck and heal sick people.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So they weren't just you know, people that could astra
project like, they had gifts that they could utilize through
this astral projection. So, I mean, that's just a few examples.
I found a couple other ones that were kind of interesting.
There was one here you go, Sarah. It was a
from Japan. It was a manifestation of a soul living
in a person separately from their body. Traditionally, if someone
(08:56):
holds a significant grudge against another person, it's believed that
a part or the whole the sore soul contemporarily leave
their body and appear before the target to kind of
like the.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Grass, yeah, to give them a heart attack, right.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Right, And now this was a little bit more malicious.
Most of these that I found we were to gain
knowledge or to help or something like this. This is
one of the ones that I was like, oh wow,
this is like, this is where the movie came from.
This is what they're talking about here. But yeah, that
was kind of wild. That was really the only like
really weird, kind of mean one, I guess would be
(09:36):
the best way to say it. But then you know,
when we start getting into you know, more recent things.
We've talked about how this didn't really become really prevalent
until like the nineteenth century, but it even goes back
a little bit further than that, more in Western culture
to like medieval Renaissance era. They thought the astral body
was an immediate body of light, linking the ration o
(10:00):
soul to the physical body. I don't know why they
said rational soul. I think probably because well, what I
think we're kind of I'm kind of getting at with
this is that at that point in time, I think
a lot of people were trying to get away from
a lot of the old cultures and the old religious
beliefs because you were starting to have like Christianity come in,
and a lot of those older cultures did use psychedelics
(10:22):
in their religious you know. So I think that might
be why they said the rational soul, like they're not
doing any sort of extra curricular activities to get this done, yeah,
you know what I mean. So, but then you know,
these astral spears, according to you know, those people in
that Medieval Renaissance area were you know, told to be
(10:45):
populated by angels, demon spirits. So we're we're getting into
the part of where like Christianity is starting to kind
of come in to the mainstream of all of that.
So I thought it was kind of interesting to see
that this isn't like a new thing. This has been
pretty prevalent throughout most of human history. And it kind
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of freaks me out a little bit though, because you know,
you see those like cheesy movies like Insidious and whatnot,
where you know, the boy astral projects and then he
can't get back to his body and then you know
there's a demon that has him, you know, kept or whatever.
But I mean, if that's really what you believe in,
and you are physically leaving your body, I mean, if
that's what you believe, your body is just a shell
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at that point, like you're not there, Like your body's there.
It's like when you die. Yeah you know, your your
body's there, but you just have a husk of what
used to be, so you.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Could get taken over by some other thing or your
body not you.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, well yeah, but then but then where are you?
You know, you're the void and that astral.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Playing right, you're just floating around. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
But when we talk about like the different scientific stuff
that I don't think a lot of people that are
scientifically in mine to take this very seriously if we're
being honest, which I understand to that point, because you know,
if you can't see it, touch it, measure it. It's
like I'm going off to hearsay here. I'm not going
off of anything I can actually do. But you know,
most scientists have, you know, pretty much said that there
(12:14):
is really no evidence, you know, and it's an objective phenomenon.
If it exists, it's just in your mind that you
know you're doing it. Now that being said, I'm going
to kind of go through a couple of my own
experiences that I've had with astral projection, and like I said,
take this for what it is. I've chalked it up
a few times to me literally just dreaming and maybe
(12:36):
it was just one of those weird things. I used
to have those falling dreams all the time. Though, Yeah,
well you know.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
You're actually dreaming or it is just like the quick
you fall on you like.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
No, no, like no, I would I would be dreaming,
but every time I would about like I was about
to wake up, like I would always fall and I
would see my boy body at the bottom of whatever.
It was like there was one where I want to say,
I was like, I don't know, I was super young,
(13:08):
like all this happened like probably between like the ages
of maybe five and eleven twelve, Like I was super young,
but I still remember it like super vividly. I know.
There was one where I was like in a dune
buggy or a go cart or something, and it was
like I was off like the Grand Canyon, it seemed like,
and I hit a rock and the dune buggy flipped
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and I went over the edge, and as I was falling,
I saw my body at the bottom of like the
gorge or the whatever. And then when I hit the ground,
like I jolted up in an oh shit, I'm back
in my bed, you know what I mean. So that
was That's one of the first ones that I really remember,
And it was kind of weird because seeing your body there,
(13:52):
it didn't look like I wasn't like freaked out, you know,
like I was actually falling or anything like that. It's
just like, oh, that's where I yeah, you know, yeah,
that's what I was thinking, you know what I mean. Like,
I don't know, like it wasn't I never had like
a scary experience for the most part, and those sorts
(14:12):
of dreams. But yeah, it would happen all the time.
And then it got to the point, I remember I
started having these dreams like and that one specifically, I
was like my body was in the desert, like at
the bottom of the gorge, like that's what I saw.
But then I would start to have these dreams where
every time I would see my body like in my
(14:34):
bed as I'm falling into it, right, you know what
I mean. Or I remember there was one I was
sleeping on the couch at our old house in the
living room, and I saw my body on the couch,
you know. So it wasn't like it wasn't always like
these weird like well, man, I'm you know, racing through
the desert on a on a go cart. You know.
It was. It's really hard to explain because most of
(14:58):
the dreams, like, I don't remember what I was doing.
I just remember falling back into my body.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, weird.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So the freakiest one that I can remember is I
got up to get like a glass of water or something.
And listeners, for those of you, obviously nobody's going to
know this besides me and Sarah. In our old house,
it was like my room, the living room, a short hallway,
and then the kitchen. So I remember waking up to
(15:25):
go get a glass of water. So I walked out
of my room, walked through the living room, down that
little short hallway, got a glass of water, came back
down that hallway back to the living room, and then
I looked and I thought I was awake. I sincerely
thought I was awake. I saw my body in bed
with the door oh wow, and I was just like,
(15:47):
holy shit, like what the fuck is going on right now?
And what started to freak me out was have you
ever passed out or anything? Yeah? Yeah, you know, like
when the walls start closing in on you. Yeah, So
that's that's what started to happen. Like everything started to
like get like tunnel vision, and I legit was really
(16:10):
freaked out by it, Like I didn't know what the
fuck was happening, because I'm seeing myself lay there. I'm
thinking I'm awake, but I'm clearly not. And now all
of a sudden, the walls are closing it.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
So I'm trying to walk back to my room, but
like the distance keeps like growing between where I'm at
and no matter how fast I'm walking and out of
the darkness of these walls closing in, I would see
these hands like doing like this.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Like towards you.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
En.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, like they want to get you.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, dude, it was. It was the most terrifying thing
I've probably ever experienced. And because like I couldn't get
back over that to like where I was at, and
I I don't remember getting back to my body, but
I remember like waking up and going into our parents
(17:04):
room and trying to be like, hey, this fucking crazy
shit just started having But I'm like, you know, six
or seven parents are half asleep, They're like, oh, not
the fuck up and go to bed, you know what
I mean. But but yeah, that was that was probably
the most like wild crazy one that I've ever experienced.
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And I don't I don't know, Like I said, most
of the time when it happened, I would never be scared.
That time, I was fucking terrified.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I mean, so you had more after that one, right,
and you didn't feel afraid like that? No, Well that's
good at least.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
No, Well, there was there was one. And I've told
people about this, and I don't really know what to
think about this one. Like I said, I'm not a
huge believer in like the wu wu shit. But I
was playing at a playground and I think I was
in first or second grade, and I jumped off of
like some monkey bars, and right when my feet left,
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I like shot over across the playground and I saw
myself jumping like off of that thing, and the second
my feet hit the ground, I was back where I
was at. Wow.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
So that one, I know for one hundred percent, I
was definitely like like I was. That was not a dream.
I was at school. I was on the playground, So
that one really really freaked me out. Now, I mean
you could chalk that up to whatever a kid with
active imagination, which I know I had, you know, but
I don't know, man, It's just one of those things.
(18:39):
It still feels so real, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, I think you need to practice. I think you
could do it on demand, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I don't know if I don't know if I want to, Sarah,
I really don't know if I want to, because I
mean it did, man, it did, And listeners, you guys
should know too.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I used to sleep, yeah, all the time you were
outside that was crazy, dude.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I thought I was fucking abducted by aliens. Yeah, I
thought I was fucking abducted. Peelio. It's bad.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I mean, I'm not convinced that's not what happened.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I'm not either. I don't know though. Well, but see,
that's the thing, and this is what's kind of freaks
me out about, like getting close to the veil and whatnot.
Like people like to say, you know, like young kids
or older people, they're closer to the veil, so you know,
they experienced things like that. I would only sleepwalk when
I was like super sick, like super sick, had a
(19:36):
super high fever, you know, and chalk it up to
you know, a fever dream or whatever it is. But
when I would sleepwalk, like you guys would see it.
Mom and Dad would definitely see me sleepwalking and be like,
what the fuck are you doing? You know. And that
time I walked out of those two locked doors up
front that were super loud, there's no way, yeah that
(19:57):
nobody would have heard that, you know, and just waking
up in my boxers and a blanket out in the
middle of the winter in Indiana.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Look the skin and the doors were locked again. Weren't
they like you locked yourself out.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
No, so I didn't lock the doors. So I remember
Dad checked when you know, I came in from the
back door. He was just like, yeah, like, I don't
know how you got through these fucking doors because they
are super loud, and we never used the front door.
We never used the front door because it was such
a pain in the ass to get it was.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, and closing it again, I mean because you closed
it too.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Again, That's what I'm saying. I had. I had the
sense of mind while I was sleepwalking to very quietly,
like unbelievably quietly, unlock these doors, shut them and go
just sleep by the you know, end of the driveway
like no big deal. But yeah, I don't know. It's
it's one of those weird things where I've had some
(20:58):
of those weird experiences and I don't really know how
to really chalk it up to that because is it real?
I mean, to me, it definitely was. It definitely was real.
But your mind is so powerful and we don't really understand,
like we said at the beginning, like consciousness and stuff.
So yeah, is it actually real or is it just
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like a is it just something that I'm thinking of
and my and that mind over matter thing, and I'm
creating a world in my head. You know that I'm.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
That I'm right, Yeah, I mean I would tell you.
Maybe you weren't really maybe it's subconscious for you. I
don't think you thought I'm gonna view myself jumping off
the monkey bars or whatever, like.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Right right, yeah, so I don't know, man, it's it's
one of those weird things. I've heard other stories about
people that you know, can astral project and they do
it willy nilly. I'm not too inclined to believe that
kind of.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Stuff though the talk it's true or not.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I could practice. Well, let's let's talk. Let's talk about
how how we can astro project. Then listeners that you
guys can go ahead and get after this. Man, I
don't think I'm going to be doing that, but that's
just me. So here we go. This is off of
wiki how so very good.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
The best source, very good, the.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Best source, the only source that we're going to use
for this specifically. All right, So let's talk about preparing.
So if we're going to learn how to astro project,
it's better to understand astro projection before you start, so
watch a lot of YouTube videos on a lot of
dumb people. I'm just kidding, no, but it actually says
try reading or watching other people's astra projection experiences. So
(22:46):
I guess, okay, there you go. You've got a handful
from me listeners, So there you go. That can be
what you.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I mean, would you call them near death experiences similar
or is that separate? I don't know, because like being
operated on?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, well, because so that's what I think. Like at
the beginning I talked about like the out of body
experience is kind of what more mainstream people have started
to coin that instead of astral projection, because I feel
like astral projection is too wu and a lot of
near death experience people have experienced a feeling of leaving
their body. So I mean, it very well could be.
(23:22):
But once again, is it just your brain like, oh shit,
where something bad is happening. We got to I gotta
do something to make you.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Feel trying to understand it or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Right right when. I don't think you're really capable of it.
But we're also apparently for astral projection, you're supposed to
start in the morning, So rather than practicing astral projection
at night, because you know, it's spooky and scary right
right before you sleep. Start in the morning hours when
you're still feeling drowsy. Some say that it's easier to
reach the necessary state of relaxation and heightened awareness around dawn.
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Yet it is possible to astral travel at any time,
so there is no hard when fast rules quote.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Unquote, I can't do it, an that's not gonna.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Work for I will not be I don't even want
to get out of it. I'm not and I don't have
I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It at three am, the witching hour.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, there you have the witching hour. Yeah, you might
conjure up, so you might get possessed. You know.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
That's the next episode.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You know. Yeah, I interview. Yeah, We're gonna interview a
demon and Sarah's just gonna be sitting there looking crazy,
foaming at the mouth. That their black eyes and puke
and green stuff all night. So and then you have
to create the right atmosphere. You gotta have the ambiance,
you know, you gotta light some candles and romance yourself
a little tips in the bubble Yeah, there you go,
(24:46):
the rose petals in the bubble bath there you go.
Astro projection requires a deep state of relaxation. Show It
should be performed in part of your home where you're
completely comfortable. So don't be you know, where's where's the
part that I don't know? A part of my home
I'm not gonna really comfortable in though that doesn't make
any sense for me. People have uncomfortable spots of their home.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Probably don't take the bubble bed because that's so annoying.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I don't have time for all this shit. I just
want to get done. But yeah, that's that's getting prepared.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So then you need to relax and lie down, position
yourself on your back or in your chosen room, close
your eyes, and try to clear your mind of distracting thoughts.
Good fucking luck, because man, I'm telling you, my mind
is running a mile a minute all the time on
a bunch of bulls.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And this is just practicings in.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I feel like when I was reading through this, it's like, dude,
we're just meditating here, Like this is what this is,
you know. Concentrate on your body and how it feels.
The goal is to achieve a state of complete mind
and body relaxation. Okay, So flex your muscles, loosen them,
start with your toes and work your way up. Yeah,
(25:57):
you know, typical meditation stuff. Breathing deeply and exhale. Completely,
focus your mind on your breathing. Don't get carried away
with your thoughts. YadA YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA YadA. Okay,
all right, now moving the soul from the body. We're
about to fucking get it, Sarah. This is what you
have to do. Okay. So you have to reach this
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hypnotic state by doing everything we said before. This hypnotic
state is normally known as a hypedigonic something like that.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I don't I'm not sure what you say.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I don't either, me either. I'm fucking reading it. Yes,
thank you, There we go. That's why we have That's
why we have cos.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That's why you think you have a disease. I just don't.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well, that's definitely not it. Then your mind would not
be arrested.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
That yeah, right, you'd be anxious. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I'm sorry. You know, words are hard sometimes, So let
your body and mind approach sleep, but don't completely lose consciousness.
Being at the edge of wakefulness and sleep, and this
not in this hypnotic state, it is necessary for you
to as project for extra astral projection to occur. That's
only time apparently they can do that. We don't have
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any hard and fast rules on where you can be
and be you know, in a different room, but that
you know, you got to be right on the edge.
Now you keep it well, hang on, We're going to
reach this state by using the following method. Okay, guaranteed,
keeping your eyes guaranteed, guarant fucking teed right here, Okay,
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keeping your eyes closed. Let your mind wander to a
part of your body, such as your hand, foot, or
a single toe. Focus on that body part until you
can visualize it perfectly even with your eyes closed. Continue
focusing until all other thoughts fall away. Use your mind
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to flex your body part. Do not physically move it though,
so just in your mind is what you're doing here. Like,
for instance, visualize your toes curling and uncurling, or your
fingers clenching and unclinching until it seems as though they
are physically moving, but they're not. Don't be physically moving them.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, then you have to restart.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Broaden your folks. You do, and then then you know
We're just not going to be bothering. You're probably just
going to be falling asleep anyway. So broaden your focus
on the rest of your body. Move your legs, your arms,
your head only using your mind. Once again, do not
physically move these actual body parts. Keep your focus steady
until you're able to move your whole body and your
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mind alone. Apparently that's what you have to do, right right,
according to this fake it till you make it. But
apparently you enter into a state of vibration at that point.
I love the state of vibration. Many report feeling vibrations
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which comes in at different frequencies. I don't know how
you would. I don't know anyway. I don't like I
don't like where.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
We're we always. I'm just like in a state of.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Vibration, yeah, for sure, But I think is supposed to
be like, yeah, yeah, you got to get the right
one because we live in the wrong ones all the time,
you know.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
That's why we can't ask for project of course. But yeah,
so they come and waves a different frequency as the
soul prepares to leave the body. Do not be afraid
of the vibrations, just the presence, Yeah, embrace them. The
presence of fear might cause you to leave your meditative
state instead succumb to the vibrations as your soul prepares
(29:39):
to leave your body. Look, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Become a wave. I mean, yeah, it kind of sounds like,
is that it feel? It kept interrupting.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
No, there's more to it. But no, you're you're fine
it Listen. I'm not saying that doesn't work. I'm not
saying you know, I've obviously I had experiences, but at
no point was I try And.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
You're naturally talented.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Just yeah, I just had that natural ability. Man, sucks
to suck everybody that can't, you know. But here's the thing.
If you truly believe that you can like leave your body,
and you know your your soul detaches from your body,
you know that in my mind, you know, me and
you being raised Catholic like that invites a lot of
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stuff that could potentially enter your body or potentially mess
with you at that point, like your soul or your
being whatever you're being outside of our physical world, you
know what I mean. And I don't necessarily believe in
a lot of that, But on the off chance that
I'm fucking wrong, I'd rather not you know, yeah, be
(30:57):
trying to leave my body and do some weird stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I mean I feel like, well, how to reminds me
of like how to lucid dream because that's kind of similar.
And a lot of people write lucid dreams. They say
they come into contact with like things in their dreams
that are like once they know that they know they're dreaming,
the thing is like you can't be here anymore, or
whatever attacks them or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, And I mean the same thing has happened with
people that have taken psychedelics, Like you'll interact with like
a being while you're on psychedelics. Is that just like
you opening up and having an experience in your own
mind or are you physically seeing or experiencing like higher
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dimension old beings or right religious spiritual beings like I
don't know, man, the out of body experience thing is
is kind of weird, and I kind of wanted to
touch on a little bit of that because the near
death experience is kind of really I think, kind of
hand in hand with the astral projecting thing, because a
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lot of people do have similar things that happened to them,
not intentional, Like we talked about listeners. If you want
to go for it, go for it. I'm gonna say
I'm gonna hold off on that. But it's just one
of those weird things that there's so many unknowns with
these near death experiences, and you have people that are
not necessarily religious that have, you know, some quite religious experiences.
(32:33):
So I don't know, it's there's a lot of common
elements within you know, the near death experience stuff where
there's like a sense of awareness, like I was saying,
like I would see my body, I knew, oh shit,
I'm not there no more. And then like I said,
I never really felt scared. And with the near death
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experience stuff like there's always like a sense of like
peace or well being or painlessness or positive emotions, you know,
or possibly like an unconditional love or acceptance that they
just like feel wash over them. Now, we could chalk
that up to just about anything, you know, Like I
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feel like when you're dying, your body in your mind
especially is just like we got to stop this. I'm
trying to stay alive. I'm just going to flood you
with endorphins and we're going to try to try to
make this work. And I think that's part of it
for sure. But are you familiar with a drug called DMT.
(33:37):
So that's one of those chemicals that is produced in
our brain. And I'm pretty sure I could be wrong
on this, but I'm almost positive that's one of the
drugs that is released when you're about to die, and
it's a very psychedelic. Like people that have taken DMT
like talk about Wow, this like changed my entire world
perspective and yeah, my thought process. I interacted with beans
(33:58):
and saw things that I would never have ever seen before.
And it's kind of wild that that's actually produced in
our brain, Like that drug is actually produced by us.
Now it's not in a high enough dose to where
we could trip on it, but maybe that's when it
is in a high enough dose when our body is
just like holy shit, we gotta we gotta, we gotta
(34:21):
live here. Here's the DMT mainline.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
It let's go Well, yeah, I mean that could be.
I feel like that kind of goes with why I
think of anyway, Like the afterlife is kind of what
you make it. I feel like, So if you're thinking
you're going to hell or something and then all that
floods your mind, maybe you do go to hell? Like
who knows?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, well, and see that's the thing though I don't.
I don't know because you hear all these different stories
about the near death experiences and even out of body
experiences in general, where it's so it's so individual, it's
so relative to the person that I feel like you're
really onto something with that, Sarah, because I don't think
(35:03):
it's a one all, be all sort of thing. I
think it's whatever your perception of what it's going to
be is what it's going to be, Yah, and.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Create your own reality, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Or we're living in a simulation and this is just
one of the things where they put in a cheek
code and they're like, hey, let's fuck with these guys
real quick.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, that's possible too. Yeah, I mean for astra Well,
I was going to ask, do you remember Maybe this
has to do with your astral projection or something, or
you were possessed or something, but do you remember I
don't know how old we were, you were probably like
twelve or thirteen. We are on the trampoline of our
neighbor's house and then you had your hand like attacked
(35:46):
you and then you had to hold it down and
I had to step on it on your hand.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
You don't remember that.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I was wondering if you were like joking with me,
but it seemed like you were like this and you
were like holding your hand back and I had to
like step on it and put both my feet on it,
and then it like stopped.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You know, I don't remember that at all. Holy shit,
I had a crazier childhood than I remember.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I've always wondered that because I thought you were like joking,
because sometimes you know you and especially Cody or like whatever,
like when he pretended the yea burned him or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Oh well it was.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Just me and you on the trampoline, So I was like,
why would he take this in front of like there's
not an audience.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
But yeah, I don't I don't remember that. I mean
very well, could be. I don't know. Man, Like I
feel like I've had a lot of like crazy experiences,
especially as a kid, and I don't really know how
to chalk it up to it, you know what I mean,
Because you know, I've seen some some ghosts. I'm almost
positive that I've seen that. Yeah, definitely have astral projected.
(37:01):
Definitely have, at least in my mind. Like I'm not
saying it's a real thing, like listeners, I'm not. I'm
not all in on the wu I am.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
But you've got all the ability and I got all
the belief.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Well you gotta have a balance, right, we gotta we
gotta have a balance.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
That like demon Lady too, right, Dude.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
That shit freaked me the fuck out. And I still, dude,
I can still see that shit so fucking vividly, man see.
And that's that's the thing. There are things that have
happened to me like where I don't remember like details,
but the things that I remember the most detail about
were some of the like either traumatic or like unbelievably crazy.
(37:43):
And when I say unbelievably crazy, it doesn't have to
be a bad thing, like it could be like an
unbelievably crazy good thing. That's what I remember all the
details about. And I feel like me being thirty five
and remembering astral projecting like that so vividly. I don't
feel like it I was. There's I don't know. I
don't know, man. But I also whenever I try to
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look this stuff up, I immediately get pissed off at
all the stupid YouTube bullshit that I see right, you know,
because then I'm like, Okay, well this is fucking stupid.
And then I'm sitting there second guessing myself. I'm like, man,
did I really fucking do that? Or am I just
like I don't know? Did my brain give me some
extra DMT that night before I went to sleep? Seven
year old tripping balls of the bed. Yeah, just a
(38:27):
seven year old on some psychedelic you know.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
No, I think there's something to it. I think because
it helps that you're so rational but you still experience
these things, so you can make it less annoying when
people describe what's happening.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I think, so, you know, you know, Sarah and listeners
who knows. Maybe maybe I'm going to go on this
wiki how and maybe I'm gonna I'm gonna try to
astra project, you know, and I'm gonna come back next
episode and be like, Sarah, you will not fucking believe
this shit checked it out.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I think you should practice, but maybe it's a little
too late though, you know, sometimes you're because you're so
open as a kid, it's hard to get it back.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Well. And the one wo thing that I do believe,
and I do believe this wholeheartedly. Is the younger kids
and the older people in our society are definitely closer
to that other side. You know, whether you believe it
in a religious sense or any other whatever way you
want to describe it. You know, you didn't exist before
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you were born, and you did and you don't exist
after you die. Well, you cannot destroy energy can't be
created or destroyed. So there's something, there's something that has
to happen before and after. Now are we capable of
understanding that with our brain? I don't think so. But
I feel like there are these little things that happen
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in individuals' lives that give them these little peaks into it,
you know what I mean. So I mean I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Man, Yeah, I don't know. I say I had very
vivid dreams. Why I still have very vivid dreams. But
some dreams I do feel like I'm in a different
world or something. But that's like alternate universe kind of
thing or something. I don't think that's astral projection because
I don't see myself. Sure, Actually all my dreams I
do see myself. Though in my dreams, I don't say.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Don't be saying I got all the abilities you got it.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, I guess No. I feel like I'm just a
camera and I pick someone to be like that's the
that's me in the dream, like the main person I see.
It's not always like it doesn't always look like me.
It could be anyone.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Okay, So I got you, I got you. You're just
like you're focusing on like like.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
The perspective thing, like the camera.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I got you. Well, so that's the weird thing. And
I honestly cannot remember the last time I had a dream.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Really, you two. That's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Well that that yeah, that's that. That's probably true. But no,
and like all seriousness, I I don't even I don't
think I've had a dream and decades, like for real,
like I.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
You cut it off, I have not.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Or maybe mom got some crazy lady to suppress it
like they did Insidious that movie. Yeah, and because somebody
some some crazy cross dress and candle holding, which man
was trying to get me here. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, maybe I dream almost every night. Yeah, I just
dreamed last night. I don't remember now what it was.
I'd have to think, but I dream almost every single night,
and some of them are very vivid, wild. I've been
on different planets in my dreams. I mean, I don't
not to say that the real planet. No, it's like
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a pseudo Earth.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Okay, so what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
It's not Earth, I don't know if it exists.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
You very well could be you astro projected. You rejected
your consciousness across the universe and you went to you know,
some distant works.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Maybe I lived there for like two years in my dream. Shit,
not like I mean I could tell time was passing,
you know, like where there's like jumps. It's not like
I lived for two years in my dream. That would
be I mean, there are stories like that where people
say they get married there are have kids, and then
they wake up and it's all gone, or they were
(42:26):
in a coma or something. That would be crazy.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah. See, that's that's what I'm saying though, with like
kind of how we started this off about how we
don't really know a whole lot about consciousness. We don't
really know what it really means. Like we have a
word to describe our thought process and the way our
mind works, but it's just really a word. It doesn't
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mean anything to anybody. And when you hear stories like these,
and you know, you hear about astro projection, and you
go on Wiki how and try to figure out how
to astra reject, and then you hear about in your
death experiences and stuff like that. I don't know, man,
I'm super inclined to to kind of kind of believe
in this sort of thing. What exactly it means, I'm
not really sure. I mean, I don't think we're capable
(43:14):
of understanding what it means with with our current understanding
of reality. I just think it's, like I said earlier,
I think it's just stuff that we get to like
peek into and we get to kind of see little
little snippets of it, you know, and we wonder about it,
and who knows, cause right, Yeah, And I mean it
(43:35):
could be something if we wanted to be a little rational,
it could be something as we've talked about this before,
of like seeing snippets of like four dimensional places or
beans or whatever. Like we wouldn't really understand what that is,
you know, we wouldn't understand how to even really perceive it.
(43:55):
We would see something, but it wouldn't make sense that. Yeah,
and that could be part of it, where you know,
you astra project and you are technically in the fourth dimension,
but you're not capable of like understanding it, so you
still see like normal things. But instead of only being
able to go you know, left, right, up, down, now
(44:19):
I can go anywhere, you know, within that four D
plane of not only you know, linked with height, and
you know, I can now travel across like different vasts
of time, or I could go across different planes of existence,
you know. I don't know, it's I don't know. I
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feel like I'm getting too weird. I feel like I
haven't taken any extracurriculars for this conversation either, So I mean.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Well, we'll do an update.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
We'll do an update, but listeners, I think that's probably
going to do it for today. Like I said, I
kind of wanted to talk about astral projection just because
I've experienced it. I want to do some research to it,
figure out what you know, other people thought about it,
and seeing stuff like this where you know, it's been
a very prevalent thing throughout pretty much all written history.
(45:09):
I feel like there's something to it now what there is,
Like I said, I'm not sure, but what do you
guys think? Let us know anywhere you see any posts
like this comment down below with your Astral Projection story.
I would love, love love to hear about any experiences
that you guys have had. Or if you'd just think
I'm full of shit, then I would love to hear
that too. I will take all the good, bad, and
(45:31):
different comments. We love them, don't we, Sarah.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, we'll read them. We could read them on episode.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah we could, dude. I cannot wait till we get
me in comments. Yeah, that's those are my favorite stories. Yeah,
I'm just kidding. Yeah no, yeah, but if you guys
have any any stories on Astral Projection that happened to you,
I would love to hear them. We could make a
whole episode based off of that. We can give you
our opinion on it. That'd be pretty cool. That would
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The Paranoid Perspective by Jacobs. Today, we're going to talk
about something that is kind of creepy, kind of weird,
kind of woo. I'm not like super into all of this,
but I have definitely experienced this, so take that from
what it is. I know it's not a whole lot,
but you know, it was kind of wild when I
was a kid. But we're going to get into the
insidious nature of astral projection today.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I can't push know anything about I know some stuff,
but I've never experienced it like you have.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So I was about to say, have you ever experienced it?
Because I don't know. Man, Like, don't get me wrong,
Like I feel like human beings, like understanding of consciousness
isn't really that great. Yeah, you know, we don't really
know what it is. So some of this, like I said, guys,
where it's going to get a little woo, a little
out there. I'm not I'm not a wholehearted believer in this,
(02:08):
but I have had some experiences and we'll get we'll
get into that. But I kind of wanted to start
off with kind of like a basis idea and then
kind of there's some interesting things of like some different
cultures that have talked about astral projections, and I thought
that'd be a good way to kind of work our
way into this and maybe just maybe I might have
found an article on eleven steps on how you can
(02:31):
astral project.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Now I get practice, I know, right.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
But astral projection is also known as astral travel, soul journey,
soul wandering, spiritual journey, spiritual travel, you know, all the buzzwords,
you know, and it's just pretty much to describe an
out of body experience, and people like to put that
into an acronym as OBI that assumes the existence of
a subtle body known as the astral body or the
(02:58):
body of light. See, like I said, a lot of this,
I'm not like super into the WU.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, it's branding, the branding of it.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
It is, it really is, if we're being honest. But
it's pretty much where your consciousness can function separately from
your physical body and travel through the astral plane or
the veil or whatever. The buzzword marketing like you said,
word you know, would be a part of it. But
I mean, the idea of astral projection is pretty ancient
(03:28):
and it occurs in a bunch of different cultures. The
actual term astral projection wasn't coined and like really prominent
until like the nineteenth century, so that's not something that's
really ever been like a thing that's been said throughout history.
It's been more of a recent kind of account. But
people skeptics have usually chocked this up to halluci can't talk,
(03:52):
words are hard hallucined. How am I going? People that hallucinate?
There we go, There we go, Thank you Sarah, they
can't speak, there we go. Yeah, or you know, just
like very vivid dreams or something like that. You know,
It's it's never been anything that there's not really like
scientific evidence for this, you know. So that's why I
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kind of don't like a lot of this because you
get into those weirdos that are doing the wus.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
But it could be one of those this.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Goes all it could be. I mean, I don't know.
Like I said at the beginning, we don't really know
about consciousness, so's it's very easy to assume that, yeah,
if we can't see it, we can't touch it, we
can't measure it, that doesn't exist, which fair from a
scientific mindset. But I don't know. I think there's something
a little more to this, but it's getting some accounts
of some different ancient cultures. Ancient Egyptians had a concept
(04:44):
of a soul traveler. It appears in various different you know,
religious examples. For them, there was a teaching that the
soul called bah and ancient Egyptian was having the ability
to hover outside of the physical body or their subtle bodies.
So they had these rituals and stuff where probably some
(05:04):
sort of psychedelic was involved, most likely to give you
that you know, that open eye. That's true. And to
be fair, I think, like, have you ever heard of
the stoned ape theory? Yeah, so I really like that.
How you know, like when we were early hominids and
we were going out and you know, the rainforest started
receding in Africa and the plane started opening up, we
(05:26):
started having to get different foods and whatnot. And one
of those foods were mushrooms that were being grown, you know,
under cow patties and stuff like that. And you know,
having something like that that might explain part of the
reason why you know, our brain size you know, exploded
in those early years of us. So it could have
something to do with the psychedelic stuff. There's another one
(05:46):
for the Amazon who believed you have the ability to
perform a soul flight that can serve several functions such
as healing. But pretty much, you're flying out to consult
with cosmological beings so.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
To get like more knowledge from them.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah that's cool. Yeah, that's what I thought. And it
was one of those things where when I was looking
at different things like this, like they're all different to
like a little like little variations, but they're all really similar.
Like you're going outside of your body to gain something
from somewhere else. You know, You're not. You're not just
(06:25):
going out there willy nilly and just flying around, you
know what I mean. Like you're you're interacting with other things,
whether those are actual beans or whether it's you know,
a religious experience, whatever you want to call it, you
know what I mean. But one of them was for
the Amazon people in particular, they would fly or they
I'm sorry that they would consult these cos cosmological beans
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the moon or the brother of the moon to obtain
names for their newborn.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Children, for their children, Okay, the brother of the moon,
the dark side.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Is that's what I'm thinking. I'm assuming here. I didn't
do a whole lot of research into like each one
of these individuals, but you know, yeah, yeah, and then
they would I try that. Yeah, I mean there are
other ones where they would, you know, go to different
parts of like Earth itself, supposedly for you know, praying
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for like abundance of game, or you know, seeking the
aids of other beings or something like that. There was
a purpose behind whenever they would do this. It wasn't
just like I said, they're just going out and doing whatever.
There was a reasoning behind it. Probably ceremonies and religious things,
most likely psychedelics involved once again, you know. So that's
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that's kind of where I think the common ground is
with a lot of these. But then there are some
Inuit groups individuals with special capabilities. I cannot pronounce this word.
It has a lot of k's and a few backwards letters.
I do not know how to say it. So I'm
going to do my best. Your King Cooly, I think
(08:04):
we're going to go with that sounds good to me.
They said they were able, Yeah, they said they were
able to travel to remote places and report their experiences
in important matters back to their community.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
That's cool.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
So it's almost like, yeah, they're leaving to go get
helpful information for the tribe.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, reconnaissance and these were yeah, well the spine, but
they were they were said to have the ability to
you know, stop like bad luck and heal sick people.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
So they weren't just you know, people that could astra
project like, they had gifts that they could utilize through
this astral projection. So, I mean, that's just a few examples.
I found a couple other ones that were kind of interesting.
There was one here you go, Sarah. It was a
from Japan. It was a manifestation of a soul living
in a person separately from their body. Traditionally, if someone
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holds a significant grudge against another person, it's believed that
a part or the whole the sore soul contemporarily leave
their body and appear before the target to kind of
like the.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Grass, yeah, to give them a heart attack, right.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Right, And now this was a little bit more malicious.
Most of these that I found we were to gain
knowledge or to help or something like this. This is
one of the ones that I was like, oh wow,
this is like, this is where the movie came from.
This is what they're talking about here. But yeah, that
was kind of wild. That was really the only like
really weird, kind of mean one, I guess would be
(09:36):
the best way to say it. But then you know,
when we start getting into you know, more recent things.
We've talked about how this didn't really become really prevalent
until like the nineteenth century, but it even goes back
a little bit further than that, more in Western culture
to like medieval Renaissance era. They thought the astral body
was an immediate body of light, linking the ration o
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soul to the physical body. I don't know why they
said rational soul. I think probably because well, what I
think we're kind of I'm kind of getting at with
this is that at that point in time, I think
a lot of people were trying to get away from
a lot of the old cultures and the old religious
beliefs because you were starting to have like Christianity come in,
and a lot of those older cultures did use psychedelics
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in their religious you know. So I think that might
be why they said the rational soul, like they're not
doing any sort of extra curricular activities to get this done, yeah,
you know what I mean. So, but then you know,
these astral spears, according to you know, those people in
that Medieval Renaissance area were you know, told to be
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populated by angels, demon spirits. So we're we're getting into
the part of where like Christianity is starting to kind
of come in to the mainstream of all of that.
So I thought it was kind of interesting to see
that this isn't like a new thing. This has been
pretty prevalent throughout most of human history. And it kind
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of freaks me out a little bit though, because you know,
you see those like cheesy movies like Insidious and whatnot,
where you know, the boy astral projects and then he
can't get back to his body and then you know
there's a demon that has him, you know, kept or whatever.
But I mean, if that's really what you believe in,
and you are physically leaving your body, I mean, if
that's what you believe, your body is just a shell
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at that point, like you're not there, Like your body's there.
It's like when you die. Yeah you know, your your
body's there, but you just have a husk of what
used to be, so you.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Could get taken over by some other thing or your
body not you.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, well yeah, but then but then where are you?
You know, you're the void and that astral.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Playing right, you're just floating around. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
But when we talk about like the different scientific stuff
that I don't think a lot of people that are
scientifically in mine to take this very seriously if we're
being honest, which I understand to that point, because you know,
if you can't see it, touch it, measure it. It's
like I'm going off to hearsay here. I'm not going
off of anything I can actually do. But you know,
most scientists have, you know, pretty much said that there
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is really no evidence, you know, and it's an objective phenomenon.
If it exists, it's just in your mind that you
know you're doing it. Now that being said, I'm going
to kind of go through a couple of my own
experiences that I've had with astral projection, and like I said,
take this for what it is. I've chalked it up
a few times to me literally just dreaming and maybe
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it was just one of those weird things. I used
to have those falling dreams all the time. Though, Yeah,
well you know.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
You're actually dreaming or it is just like the quick
you fall on you like.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
No, no, like no, I would I would be dreaming,
but every time I would about like I was about
to wake up, like I would always fall and I
would see my boy body at the bottom of whatever.
It was like there was one where I want to say,
I was like, I don't know, I was super young,
(13:08):
like all this happened like probably between like the ages
of maybe five and eleven twelve, Like I was super young,
but I still remember it like super vividly. I know.
There was one where I was like in a dune
buggy or a go cart or something, and it was
like I was off like the Grand Canyon, it seemed like,
and I hit a rock and the dune buggy flipped
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and I went over the edge, and as I was falling,
I saw my body at the bottom of like the
gorge or the whatever. And then when I hit the ground,
like I jolted up in an oh shit, I'm back
in my bed, you know what I mean. So that
was That's one of the first ones that I really remember,
And it was kind of weird because seeing your body there,
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it didn't look like I wasn't like freaked out, you know,
like I was actually falling or anything like that. It's
just like, oh, that's where I yeah, you know, yeah,
that's what I was thinking, you know what I mean. Like,
I don't know, like it wasn't I never had like
a scary experience for the most part, and those sorts
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of dreams. But yeah, it would happen all the time.
And then it got to the point, I remember I
started having these dreams like and that one specifically, I
was like my body was in the desert, like at
the bottom of the gorge, like that's what I saw.
But then I would start to have these dreams where
every time I would see my body like in my
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bed as I'm falling into it, right, you know what
I mean. Or I remember there was one I was
sleeping on the couch at our old house in the
living room, and I saw my body on the couch,
you know. So it wasn't like it wasn't always like
these weird like well, man, I'm you know, racing through
the desert on a on a go cart. You know.
It was. It's really hard to explain because most of
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the dreams, like, I don't remember what I was doing.
I just remember falling back into my body.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, yeah, weird.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
So the freakiest one that I can remember is I
got up to get like a glass of water or something.
And listeners, for those of you, obviously nobody's going to
know this besides me and Sarah. In our old house,
it was like my room, the living room, a short hallway,
and then the kitchen. So I remember waking up to
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go get a glass of water. So I walked out
of my room, walked through the living room, down that
little short hallway, got a glass of water, came back
down that hallway back to the living room, and then
I looked and I thought I was awake. I sincerely
thought I was awake. I saw my body in bed
with the door oh wow, and I was just like,
(15:47):
holy shit, like what the fuck is going on right now?
And what started to freak me out was have you
ever passed out or anything? Yeah? Yeah, you know, like
when the walls start closing in on you. Yeah, So
that's that's what started to happen. Like everything started to
like get like tunnel vision, and I legit was really
(16:10):
freaked out by it, Like I didn't know what the
fuck was happening, because I'm seeing myself lay there. I'm
thinking I'm awake, but I'm clearly not. And now all
of a sudden, the walls are closing it.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
So I'm trying to walk back to my room, but
like the distance keeps like growing between where I'm at
and no matter how fast I'm walking and out of
the darkness of these walls closing in, I would see
these hands like doing like this.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Like towards you.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
En.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, like they want to get you.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, dude, it was. It was the most terrifying thing
I've probably ever experienced. And because like I couldn't get
back over that to like where I was at, and
I I don't remember getting back to my body, but
I remember like waking up and going into our parents
(17:04):
room and trying to be like, hey, this fucking crazy
shit just started having But I'm like, you know, six
or seven parents are half asleep, They're like, oh, not
the fuck up and go to bed, you know what
I mean. But but yeah, that was that was probably
the most like wild crazy one that I've ever experienced.
(17:26):
And I don't I don't know, Like I said, most
of the time when it happened, I would never be scared.
That time, I was fucking terrified.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
I mean, so you had more after that one, right,
and you didn't feel afraid like that? No, Well that's
good at least.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
No, Well, there was there was one. And I've told
people about this, and I don't really know what to
think about this one. Like I said, I'm not a
huge believer in like the wu wu shit. But I
was playing at a playground and I think I was
in first or second grade, and I jumped off of
like some monkey bars, and right when my feet left,
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I like shot over across the playground and I saw
myself jumping like off of that thing, and the second
my feet hit the ground, I was back where I
was at. Wow.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
So that one, I know for one hundred percent, I
was definitely like like I was. That was not a dream.
I was at school. I was on the playground, So
that one really really freaked me out. Now, I mean
you could chalk that up to whatever a kid with
active imagination, which I know I had, you know, but
I don't know, man, It's just one of those things.
(18:39):
It still feels so real, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, I think you need to practice. I think you
could do it on demand, you know.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I don't know if I don't know if I want to, Sarah,
I really don't know if I want to, because I
mean it did, man, it did, And listeners, you guys
should know too.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I used to sleep, yeah, all the time you were
outside that was crazy, dude.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I thought I was fucking abducted by aliens. Yeah, I
thought I was fucking abducted. Peelio. It's bad.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I mean, I'm not convinced that's not what happened.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I'm not either. I don't know though. Well, but see,
that's the thing, and this is what's kind of freaks
me out about, like getting close to the veil and whatnot.
Like people like to say, you know, like young kids
or older people, they're closer to the veil, so you know,
they experienced things like that. I would only sleepwalk when
I was like super sick, like super sick, had a
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super high fever, you know, and chalk it up to
you know, a fever dream or whatever it is. But
when I would sleepwalk, like you guys would see it.
Mom and Dad would definitely see me sleepwalking and be like,
what the fuck are you doing? You know. And that
time I walked out of those two locked doors up
front that were super loud, there's no way, yeah that
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nobody would have heard that, you know, and just waking
up in my boxers and a blanket out in the
middle of the winter in Indiana.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Look the skin and the doors were locked again. Weren't
they like you locked yourself out.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
No, so I didn't lock the doors. So I remember
Dad checked when you know, I came in from the
back door. He was just like, yeah, like, I don't
know how you got through these fucking doors because they
are super loud, and we never used the front door.
We never used the front door because it was such
a pain in the ass to get it was.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, and closing it again, I mean because you closed
it too.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Again, That's what I'm saying. I had. I had the
sense of mind while I was sleepwalking to very quietly,
like unbelievably quietly, unlock these doors, shut them and go
just sleep by the you know, end of the driveway
like no big deal. But yeah, I don't know. It's
it's one of those weird things where I've had some
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of those weird experiences and I don't really know how
to really chalk it up to that because is it real?
I mean, to me, it definitely was. It definitely was real.
But your mind is so powerful and we don't really understand,
like we said at the beginning, like consciousness and stuff.
So yeah, is it actually real or is it just
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like a is it just something that I'm thinking of
and my and that mind over matter thing, and I'm
creating a world in my head. You know that I'm.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
That I'm right, Yeah, I mean I would tell you.
Maybe you weren't really maybe it's subconscious for you. I
don't think you thought I'm gonna view myself jumping off
the monkey bars or whatever, like.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Right right, yeah, so I don't know, man, it's it's
one of those weird things. I've heard other stories about
people that you know, can astral project and they do
it willy nilly. I'm not too inclined to believe that
kind of.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Stuff though the talk it's true or not.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
I could practice. Well, let's let's talk. Let's talk about
how how we can astro project. Then listeners that you
guys can go ahead and get after this. Man, I
don't think I'm going to be doing that, but that's
just me. So here we go. This is off of
wiki how so very good.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
The best source, very good, the.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Best source, the only source that we're going to use
for this specifically. All right, So let's talk about preparing.
So if we're going to learn how to astro project,
it's better to understand astro projection before you start, so
watch a lot of YouTube videos on a lot of
dumb people. I'm just kidding, no, but it actually says
try reading or watching other people's astra projection experiences. So
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I guess, okay, there you go. You've got a handful
from me listeners, So there you go. That can be
what you.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
I mean, would you call them near death experiences similar
or is that separate? I don't know, because like being
operated on?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, well, because so that's what I think. Like at
the beginning I talked about like the out of body
experience is kind of what more mainstream people have started
to coin that instead of astral projection, because I feel
like astral projection is too wu and a lot of
near death experience people have experienced a feeling of leaving
their body. So I mean, it very well could be.
(23:22):
But once again, is it just your brain like, oh shit,
where something bad is happening. We got to I gotta
do something to make you.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Feel trying to understand it or whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Right right when. I don't think you're really capable of it.
But we're also apparently for astral projection, you're supposed to
start in the morning, So rather than practicing astral projection
at night, because you know, it's spooky and scary right
right before you sleep. Start in the morning hours when
you're still feeling drowsy. Some say that it's easier to
reach the necessary state of relaxation and heightened awareness around dawn.
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Yet it is possible to astral travel at any time,
so there is no hard when fast rules quote.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Unquote, I can't do it, an that's not gonna.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Work for I will not be I don't even want
to get out of it. I'm not and I don't have
I'm gonna try.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
It at three am, the witching hour.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah, there you have the witching hour. Yeah, you might
conjure up, so you might get possessed. You know.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
That's the next episode.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You know. Yeah, I interview. Yeah, We're gonna interview a
demon and Sarah's just gonna be sitting there looking crazy,
foaming at the mouth. That their black eyes and puke
and green stuff all night. So and then you have
to create the right atmosphere. You gotta have the ambiance,
you know, you gotta light some candles and romance yourself
a little tips in the bubble Yeah, there you go,
(24:46):
the rose petals in the bubble bath there you go.
Astro projection requires a deep state of relaxation. Show It
should be performed in part of your home where you're
completely comfortable. So don't be you know, where's where's the
part that I don't know? A part of my home
I'm not gonna really comfortable in though that doesn't make
any sense for me. People have uncomfortable spots of their home.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Probably don't take the bubble bed because that's so annoying.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I don't have time for all this shit. I just
want to get done. But yeah, that's that's getting prepared.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So then you need to relax and lie down, position
yourself on your back or in your chosen room, close
your eyes, and try to clear your mind of distracting thoughts.
Good fucking luck, because man, I'm telling you, my mind
is running a mile a minute all the time on
a bunch of bulls.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
And this is just practicings in.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
I feel like when I was reading through this, it's like, dude,
we're just meditating here, Like this is what this is,
you know. Concentrate on your body and how it feels.
The goal is to achieve a state of complete mind
and body relaxation. Okay, So flex your muscles, loosen them,
start with your toes and work your way up. Yeah,
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you know, typical meditation stuff. Breathing deeply and exhale. Completely,
focus your mind on your breathing. Don't get carried away
with your thoughts. YadA YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA, YadA YadA. Okay,
all right, now moving the soul from the body. We're
about to fucking get it, Sarah. This is what you
have to do. Okay. So you have to reach this
(26:19):
hypnotic state by doing everything we said before. This hypnotic
state is normally known as a hypedigonic something like that.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I don't I'm not sure what you say.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I don't either, me either. I'm fucking reading it. Yes,
thank you, There we go. That's why we have That's
why we have cos.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
That's why you think you have a disease. I just don't.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well, that's definitely not it. Then your mind would not
be arrested.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
That yeah, right, you'd be anxious. Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I'm sorry. You know, words are hard sometimes, So let
your body and mind approach sleep, but don't completely lose consciousness.
Being at the edge of wakefulness and sleep, and this
not in this hypnotic state, it is necessary for you
to as project for extra astral projection to occur. That's
only time apparently they can do that. We don't have
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any hard and fast rules on where you can be
and be you know, in a different room, but that
you know, you got to be right on the edge.
Now you keep it well, hang on, We're going to
reach this state by using the following method. Okay, guaranteed,
keeping your eyes guaranteed, guarant fucking teed right here, Okay,
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keeping your eyes closed. Let your mind wander to a
part of your body, such as your hand, foot, or
a single toe. Focus on that body part until you
can visualize it perfectly even with your eyes closed. Continue
focusing until all other thoughts fall away. Use your mind
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to flex your body part. Do not physically move it though,
so just in your mind is what you're doing here. Like,
for instance, visualize your toes curling and uncurling, or your
fingers clenching and unclinching until it seems as though they
are physically moving, but they're not. Don't be physically moving them.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah, then you have to restart.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Broaden your folks. You do, and then then you know
We're just not going to be bothering. You're probably just
going to be falling asleep anyway. So broaden your focus
on the rest of your body. Move your legs, your arms,
your head only using your mind. Once again, do not
physically move these actual body parts. Keep your focus steady
until you're able to move your whole body and your
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mind alone. Apparently that's what you have to do, right right,
according to this fake it till you make it. But
apparently you enter into a state of vibration at that point.
I love the state of vibration. Many report feeling vibrations
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which comes in at different frequencies. I don't know how
you would. I don't know anyway. I don't like I
don't like where.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
We're we always. I'm just like in a state of.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
Vibration, yeah, for sure, But I think is supposed to
be like, yeah, yeah, you got to get the right
one because we live in the wrong ones all the time,
you know.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
That's why we can't ask for project of course. But yeah,
so they come and waves a different frequency as the
soul prepares to leave the body. Do not be afraid
of the vibrations, just the presence, Yeah, embrace them. The
presence of fear might cause you to leave your meditative
state instead succumb to the vibrations as your soul prepares
(29:39):
to leave your body. Look, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Become a wave. I mean, yeah, it kind of sounds like,
is that it feel? It kept interrupting.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
No, there's more to it. But no, you're you're fine
it Listen. I'm not saying that doesn't work. I'm not
saying you know, I've obviously I had experiences, but at
no point was I try And.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
You're naturally talented.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Just yeah, I just had that natural ability. Man, sucks
to suck everybody that can't, you know. But here's the thing.
If you truly believe that you can like leave your body,
and you know your your soul detaches from your body,
you know that in my mind, you know, me and
you being raised Catholic like that invites a lot of
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stuff that could potentially enter your body or potentially mess
with you at that point, like your soul or your
being whatever you're being outside of our physical world, you
know what I mean. And I don't necessarily believe in
a lot of that, But on the off chance that
I'm fucking wrong, I'd rather not you know, yeah, be
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trying to leave my body and do some weird stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I mean I feel like, well, how to reminds me
of like how to lucid dream because that's kind of similar.
And a lot of people write lucid dreams. They say
they come into contact with like things in their dreams
that are like once they know that they know they're dreaming,
the thing is like you can't be here anymore, or
whatever attacks them or whatever.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, And I mean the same thing has happened with
people that have taken psychedelics, Like you'll interact with like
a being while you're on psychedelics. Is that just like
you opening up and having an experience in your own
mind or are you physically seeing or experiencing like higher
(31:43):
dimension old beings or right religious spiritual beings like I
don't know, man, the out of body experience thing is
is kind of weird, and I kind of wanted to
touch on a little bit of that because the near
death experience is kind of really I think, kind of
hand in hand with the astral projecting thing, because a
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lot of people do have similar things that happened to them,
not intentional, Like we talked about listeners. If you want
to go for it, go for it. I'm gonna say
I'm gonna hold off on that. But it's just one
of those weird things that there's so many unknowns with
these near death experiences, and you have people that are
not necessarily religious that have, you know, some quite religious experiences.
(32:33):
So I don't know, it's there's a lot of common
elements within you know, the near death experience stuff where
there's like a sense of awareness, like I was saying,
like I would see my body, I knew, oh shit,
I'm not there no more. And then like I said,
I never really felt scared. And with the near death
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experience stuff like there's always like a sense of like
peace or well being or painlessness or positive emotions, you know,
or possibly like an unconditional love or acceptance that they
just like feel wash over them. Now, we could chalk
that up to just about anything, you know, Like I
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feel like when you're dying, your body in your mind
especially is just like we got to stop this. I'm
trying to stay alive. I'm just going to flood you
with endorphins and we're going to try to try to
make this work. And I think that's part of it
for sure. But are you familiar with a drug called DMT.
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So that's one of those chemicals that is produced in
our brain. And I'm pretty sure I could be wrong
on this, but I'm almost positive that's one of the
drugs that is released when you're about to die, and
it's a very psychedelic. Like people that have taken DMT
like talk about Wow, this like changed my entire world
perspective and yeah, my thought process. I interacted with beans
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and saw things that I would never have ever seen before.
And it's kind of wild that that's actually produced in
our brain, Like that drug is actually produced by us.
Now it's not in a high enough dose to where
we could trip on it, but maybe that's when it
is in a high enough dose when our body is
just like holy shit, we gotta we gotta, we gotta
(34:21):
live here. Here's the DMT mainline.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
It let's go Well, yeah, I mean that could be.
I feel like that kind of goes with why I
think of anyway, Like the afterlife is kind of what
you make it. I feel like, So if you're thinking
you're going to hell or something and then all that
floods your mind, maybe you do go to hell? Like
who knows?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Yeah, well, and see that's the thing though I don't.
I don't know because you hear all these different stories
about the near death experiences and even out of body
experiences in general, where it's so it's so individual, it's
so relative to the person that I feel like you're
really onto something with that, Sarah, because I don't think
(35:03):
it's a one all, be all sort of thing. I
think it's whatever your perception of what it's going to
be is what it's going to be, Yah, and.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Create your own reality, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Or we're living in a simulation and this is just
one of the things where they put in a cheek
code and they're like, hey, let's fuck with these guys
real quick.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, that's possible too. Yeah, I mean for astra Well,
I was going to ask, do you remember Maybe this
has to do with your astral projection or something, or
you were possessed or something, but do you remember I
don't know how old we were, you were probably like
twelve or thirteen. We are on the trampoline of our
neighbor's house and then you had your hand like attacked
(35:46):
you and then you had to hold it down and
I had to step on it on your hand.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
You don't remember that.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
I was wondering if you were like joking with me,
but it seemed like you were like this and you
were like holding your hand back and I had to
like step on it and put both my feet on it,
and then it like stopped.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
You know, I don't remember that at all. Holy shit,
I had a crazier childhood than I remember.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I've always wondered that because I thought you were like joking,
because sometimes you know you and especially Cody or like whatever,
like when he pretended the yea burned him or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Oh well it was.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Just me and you on the trampoline, So I was like,
why would he take this in front of like there's
not an audience.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
But yeah, I don't I don't remember that. I mean
very well, could be. I don't know. Man, Like I
feel like I've had a lot of like crazy experiences,
especially as a kid, and I don't really know how
to chalk it up to it, you know what I mean,
Because you know, I've seen some some ghosts. I'm almost
positive that I've seen that. Yeah, definitely have astral projected.
(37:01):
Definitely have, at least in my mind. Like I'm not
saying it's a real thing, like listeners, I'm not. I'm
not all in on the wu I am.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
But you've got all the ability and I got all
the belief.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Well you gotta have a balance, right, we gotta we
gotta have a balance.
Speaker 1 (37:17):
That like demon Lady too, right, Dude.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
That shit freaked me the fuck out. And I still, dude,
I can still see that shit so fucking vividly, man see.
And that's that's the thing. There are things that have
happened to me like where I don't remember like details,
but the things that I remember the most detail about
were some of the like either traumatic or like unbelievably crazy.
(37:43):
And when I say unbelievably crazy, it doesn't have to
be a bad thing, like it could be like an
unbelievably crazy good thing. That's what I remember all the
details about. And I feel like me being thirty five
and remembering astral projecting like that so vividly. I don't
feel like it I was. There's I don't know. I
don't know, man. But I also whenever I try to
(38:04):
look this stuff up, I immediately get pissed off at
all the stupid YouTube bullshit that I see right, you know,
because then I'm like, Okay, well this is fucking stupid.
And then I'm sitting there second guessing myself. I'm like, man,
did I really fucking do that? Or am I just
like I don't know? Did my brain give me some
extra DMT that night before I went to sleep? Seven
year old tripping balls of the bed. Yeah, just a
(38:27):
seven year old on some psychedelic you know.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
No, I think there's something to it. I think because
it helps that you're so rational but you still experience
these things, so you can make it less annoying when
people describe what's happening.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I think, so, you know, you know, Sarah and listeners
who knows. Maybe maybe I'm going to go on this
wiki how and maybe I'm gonna I'm gonna try to
astra project, you know, and I'm gonna come back next
episode and be like, Sarah, you will not fucking believe
this shit checked it out.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
I think you should practice, but maybe it's a little
too late though, you know, sometimes you're because you're so
open as a kid, it's hard to get it back.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Well. And the one wo thing that I do believe,
and I do believe this wholeheartedly. Is the younger kids
and the older people in our society are definitely closer
to that other side. You know, whether you believe it
in a religious sense or any other whatever way you
want to describe it. You know, you didn't exist before
(39:29):
you were born, and you did and you don't exist
after you die. Well, you cannot destroy energy can't be
created or destroyed. So there's something, there's something that has
to happen before and after. Now are we capable of
understanding that with our brain? I don't think so. But
I feel like there are these little things that happen
(39:51):
in individuals' lives that give them these little peaks into it,
you know what I mean. So I mean I don't know.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
Man, Yeah, I don't know. I say I had very
vivid dreams. Why I still have very vivid dreams. But
some dreams I do feel like I'm in a different
world or something. But that's like alternate universe kind of
thing or something. I don't think that's astral projection because
I don't see myself. Sure, Actually all my dreams I
do see myself. Though in my dreams, I don't say.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Don't be saying I got all the abilities you got it.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, I guess No. I feel like I'm just a
camera and I pick someone to be like that's the
that's me in the dream, like the main person I see.
It's not always like it doesn't always look like me.
It could be anyone.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Okay, So I got you, I got you. You're just
like you're focusing on like like.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
The perspective thing, like the camera.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I got you. Well, so that's the weird thing. And
I honestly cannot remember the last time I had a dream.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Really, you two. That's the other thing.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Well that that yeah, that's that. That's probably true. But no,
and like all seriousness, I I don't even I don't
think I've had a dream and decades, like for real,
like I.
Speaker 1 (41:11):
You cut it off, I have not.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Or maybe mom got some crazy lady to suppress it
like they did Insidious that movie. Yeah, and because somebody
some some crazy cross dress and candle holding, which man
was trying to get me here. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Yeah, maybe I dream almost every night. Yeah, I just
dreamed last night. I don't remember now what it was.
I'd have to think, but I dream almost every single night,
and some of them are very vivid, wild. I've been
on different planets in my dreams. I mean, I don't
not to say that the real planet. No, it's like
(41:49):
a pseudo Earth.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Okay, so what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
It's not Earth, I don't know if it exists.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
You very well could be you astro projected. You rejected
your consciousness across the universe and you went to you know,
some distant works.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Maybe I lived there for like two years in my dream. Shit,
not like I mean I could tell time was passing,
you know, like where there's like jumps. It's not like
I lived for two years in my dream. That would
be I mean, there are stories like that where people
say they get married there are have kids, and then
they wake up and it's all gone, or they were
(42:26):
in a coma or something. That would be crazy.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah. See, that's that's what I'm saying though, with like
kind of how we started this off about how we
don't really know a whole lot about consciousness. We don't
really know what it really means. Like we have a
word to describe our thought process and the way our
mind works, but it's just really a word. It doesn't
(42:50):
mean anything to anybody. And when you hear stories like these,
and you know, you hear about astro projection, and you
go on Wiki how and try to figure out how
to astra reject, and then you hear about in your
death experiences and stuff like that. I don't know, man,
I'm super inclined to to kind of kind of believe
in this sort of thing. What exactly it means, I'm
not really sure. I mean, I don't think we're capable
(43:14):
of understanding what it means with with our current understanding
of reality. I just think it's, like I said earlier,
I think it's just stuff that we get to like
peek into and we get to kind of see little
little snippets of it, you know, and we wonder about it,
and who knows, cause right, Yeah, And I mean it
(43:35):
could be something if we wanted to be a little rational,
it could be something as we've talked about this before,
of like seeing snippets of like four dimensional places or
beans or whatever. Like we wouldn't really understand what that is,
you know, we wouldn't understand how to even really perceive it.
(43:55):
We would see something, but it wouldn't make sense that. Yeah,
and that could be part of it, where you know,
you astra project and you are technically in the fourth dimension,
but you're not capable of like understanding it, so you
still see like normal things. But instead of only being
able to go you know, left, right, up, down, now
(44:19):
I can go anywhere, you know, within that four D
plane of not only you know, linked with height, and
you know, I can now travel across like different vasts
of time, or I could go across different planes of existence,
you know. I don't know, it's I don't know. I
(44:40):
feel like I'm getting too weird. I feel like I
haven't taken any extracurriculars for this conversation either, So I mean.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
Well, we'll do an update.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
We'll do an update, but listeners, I think that's probably
going to do it for today. Like I said, I
kind of wanted to talk about astral projection just because
I've experienced it. I want to do some research to it,
figure out what you know, other people thought about it,
and seeing stuff like this where you know, it's been
a very prevalent thing throughout pretty much all written history.
(45:09):
I feel like there's something to it now what there is,
Like I said, I'm not sure, but what do you
guys think? Let us know anywhere you see any posts
like this comment down below with your Astral Projection story.
I would love, love love to hear about any experiences
that you guys have had. Or if you'd just think
I'm full of shit, then I would love to hear
that too. I will take all the good, bad, and
(45:31):
different comments. We love them, don't we, Sarah.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, we'll read them. We could read them on episode.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah we could, dude. I cannot wait till we get
me in comments. Yeah, that's those are my favorite stories. Yeah,
I'm just kidding. Yeah no, yeah, but if you guys
have any any stories on Astral Projection that happened to you,
I would love to hear them. We could make a
whole episode based off of that. We can give you
our opinion on it. That'd be pretty cool. That would
(45:57):
be pretty cool. But as always, check us out on
any social media, Like I said, interact with this, like comment,
share all the good stuff you guys already know how
to do.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
And as remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're
not watching. See you next time on the paranoid perspective
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