May 5, 2025 • 42 mins
In a chilling twist that blurs the lines between reality and the macabre, Victoria Goodwin, estranged wife of Ghost Adventures star Aaron Goodwin, was arrested in March 2025 for allegedly plotting his murder. Authorities uncovered that Victoria had been communicating with Grant Amato—a convicted murderer serving a life sentence—whom she reportedly fell in love with after watching a documentary about his crimes. Their correspondence revealed detailed plans to hire a hitman, with Victoria setting aside over $11,500 for the act . In this episode, we delve into the disturbing details of the case, exploring how a relationship rooted in obsession led to a real-life horror story.
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Speaker 1 (01:20):
I am Jake and I'm Sarah.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Today we're gonna get like kind of like check all
the boxes. Man we got spooky stuff, we got ghosts,
we got murder, we got conspiracy. Like, dude, it checks
all the boxes, all of them. So we are talking
about Victoria Goodwin. And this has kind of been like
a viral thing. I've seen it on TikTok quite a lot,
(01:44):
just kind of following the case and whatnot, and it's
still like pretty fresh. But I figured for listeners that
may not know, we could probably just start kind of
at the beginning, so to really give it some context.
Victoria is married to Aaron Goodwin, and Aaron Goodwin is
one of the hosts of the popular TV show Ghost Adventures.
(02:08):
And I'll be real honest with you, that is one
of my guilty pleasures listeners. My oldest daughter and I
used to sit and watch Ghost Adventures all the time
together and it was It's a fun show. It's a
little hokey, it's a little whatever, but it's one of those,
I think guilty pleasure. You ever partaked in the Ghost Adventures.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Sarah, Yeah, yeah, I love those show.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah. Well, and I'll give some context to the actual
show itself, but before we get into that, I feel like,
out of all the people on that, you know, you've
got that main guy that Zach Bacon's guy. He wears
the Extra Small Affliction shirts and you know he's he's
that come at me bro with the you know it
with with that it's a little stupid. I'm not really
(02:50):
a big fan of him. I feel like it's just
way way over like over the top. There's no need
to be that way.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, well he's begging them on, that's right.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah. I mean it's a reality show, so I mean
you do have to have some aspect of that. But
when it comes to Aaron Goodwin, I honestly feel like
he is a true believer in trying his best to
understand these paranormal incidences or these ghosts for supporting or
something like that. He always has like he's always seemed genuine,
(03:21):
whether I've seen him in interviews or on TV. It's
never been like this big show, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So, out of all of the people that I've enjoyed
watching on Ghost Adventures over the years, I think Aaron
has always been kind of my a go to guy.
You know, He's the one that is always kind of
has that foot out in the paranormal but also has
his foot in the real world too, sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, right, good balance.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Right, So let's talk about Ghost Adventures. Okay. So Ghost
Adventures was an American paranormal and reality show that premiered
October seventeenth, two thousand and eight, on the Travel Channel.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, it has been around for a while while a
long time, and it was on the Travel Channel, but it,
you know, has since recently moved to Discovery Plus. I
think in like the early twenty twenty twenties something like that.
It's pretty much, you know, set up as that first
person camera view. You know, you have a host or
(04:19):
a couple hosts, but that's really what it is. We're
going to go to a spooky place and we're gonna
film it, and we're all gonna film it ourselves. It's
not going to be some big film crew. I think
it was one of those like first advents of that
type of show, you know what I mean. Yeah, And
since then, a lot of those have you know, really
exploded in pop culture and in movies itself, you know,
(04:40):
the found footage documentaries and I think The Player, which
probably inspired most of that. But you know, that's kind
of the vein of what we're looking at as far
as the reality show if people aren't familiar with ghost Adventures,
but the program follows ghost hunters. Zach Began's we already
talked about him. He's kind of the main character. Aaron Goodwin,
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Bill Holly, and Jay Wosley, and there have been a
few other co hosts here and there, but those are
the four main people that you will always see and
they just pretty much go to places and investigate reported hauntings,
paranormal demons, you know anything.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
So are they still making episodes?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I believe so.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I haven't watched it in a while.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, so when I was going through some research, I
was looking at those four members that I just talked about,
the Zach Beacons, Aaron Goodwin, Bill Holly, and Jay Wisley. Wossley,
I think, I forgive me if I'm saying that wrong,
but I think that's how you say. It says two
thousand and eight to present. So wow, I think they're
still going hard in the paint with it. You know
what I mean? I need a binge watch, I know
(05:44):
right well, it is on Discovery Plus. The listeners. You
got Discovery Plus check that out. I don't know how
many episodes there are, but you know, but the thing
is like, so they've had what where were we at? Oh?
Here we go? Twenty eight seasons in a twenty ninth
season two be announced supposedly April twenty third of twenty
twenty five. Supposedly, Wow, that's next week, That's what I'm saying, So.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Well dating our episode.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
But well, listeners, it'll be past that by the time
you hear this. But yeah, it'll be April twenty third
of twenty twenty five. But with that, they've had not
only those twenty nine seasons, they've had spinoffs. So there's
ghost Adventures, After Shocks, Ghost Adventures, Where are they now?
The serial Killer, Spirits, Screaming Room, Quarantine, Top ten house Calls.
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I mean, the thing is they once they realize that
they kind of caught fire with this I think in
the early two or the late two thousands, dude, people
love this shit, and I mean I do. I watch
it all the time, you know what I mean. So
it's one of those where keep it going. You know,
let's try to you know, the sitcom shows of the nineties,
(06:54):
you know, with the crazy amounts of seasons that we have.
But we're just going to talk about, you know, ghosts
and paranormal and stuff like that. But I was kind
of surprised about that. I I couldn't remember that, you know,
it was I knew it was a lot, but I
was thinking it was going to be like less than twenty.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, right it and they did like five right it
all a serial killer one like that sounds interesting?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I mean so there there are a lot like
if you want to consume some ghost adventures Sarah and
you want to binge, dude, you were set for.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
A wild I'll start over from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Well see, and I thought about that too, And sorry
to go off on some tangents, but like, it's always
fun to go back and watch stuff from like the
thousands because it's so crazy bad. It's not even it's
almost like watching a cheesy, B rated movie.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Right, yeah, that's so bad it's good again.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, right, you get that nostalgia factor. So it's always
it's always funny. But to kind of get into what
we're going to talk about, So this show started in
two thousand and eight. Aaron and Victoria got married in
two thousand and twenty two, so he had he had
been on the show for a while. Now. The reason
(08:08):
why I bring that up and to give it some preface.
Is I feel like I can't remember what his net
worth was. When I looked it up, it was something
like a million. Okay, so he's relatively wealthy by standards
of you know, reality television. I'm assuming with him having
that level of success and getting married, there was probably
some sort of prenumptual agreement. I would assume in that
(08:32):
sort of situation. Now I couldn't find out if that
was actually true or not. I am strictly assuming right here,
So listeners of you know, let me know. But I
could not find if there was any like legal pre
nupt for that marriage. It just says they got married
in twenty twenty two at the Haunted Mansion and Disneyland
of all places. So quite fitting. Oh wow, you know,
(08:53):
I mean, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I know you could get married there.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well, I feel like when you're a reality TV star,
you can probably get married wherever the fuck you want.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
But a million dollars please for this?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, one one million please. But you know we're talking
about Aaron. He was already successful getting married. I feel
like people in that in those situations, they usually vet
people relatively well. You would think, you know, you're dating
you're having a good time, you can usually get a
pretty good feel for, you know, any weirdness that might happen,
(09:31):
And we can really only go off of social media,
like everything they posted, which isn't the best, you know,
judge of how someone's life is because it's kind of
fake and fabricated. But there was never anything that was
like kind of like a red flag. They always were
anytime they posted together, they looked happy, They looked, you know,
everybody was having a great time. They were going and
(09:53):
traveling and having a blast.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
How long did they date before they got married.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I couldn't find that. I found. I just could figureigure
out when when they got married, So I mean I
would assume they'd probably would have had to have dated
for at least a couple years, you would think, I mean,
maybe not. I honestly don't know off the top of
my head, and I've tried to find it, but I
couldn't really really find anything on that. But I mean,
(10:18):
according to most of the social media and all the
posts that they had, like I said, they were relatively happy.
There was no weirdness happening. There there was no like
weird posts you know of we're not really getting along.
This is whatever, at least from what I could find.
But like I said, too, social media is a bad
judge of what's actually happening in somebody's life. You know,
(10:41):
it's all sunshine and beaches and then you know, next thing,
you know, you're in a slew of depression just because whatever,
you know what I mean. So getting to the story itself,
So we've got kind of a good, a good backdrop
to what we're going to talk about today. So Aaron
Goodwin's wife, Victoria Goodwin was jailed for recruiting a hitman
(11:03):
to kill him. That's so crazy, look, man, just that,
like I don't even know where you would go to
get that.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Right, Yeah, you know what I mean, Like like a Craigslist.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah yeah. Let me let me hop on Angie's list
real quick and see if I can find some you know,
men for hire to you know, get somebody out of
my life or you know, in their existence or whatever.
But when she was arrested, it was March sixth, so
very recent. I mean today as we're recording is the fifteenth,
so we're only looking at you know, about nine days
(11:38):
ago she was arrested. And she was arrested on six
counts of solicitation to commit murder as well as conspiracy
to commit murder. So wow, I don't know. And what's
really weird is she so far has dismissed any intention
of wanting to kill her husband. And according to the
rest record that was, you know, available when she will
(12:02):
talk about this, But she was texting a person and
asking if she was a bad person because I'd for
hiring this. Yeah, she And the exact text was, am
I a bad person because I chose to end his
existence and not divorce?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I would say yeah, I would say yes. I would
say yes, You're a very shitty person.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Wait, is that how she got caught by texting that?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
There were a slew of text messages that got her caught.
That is just one of probably many that she got
caught with. But apparently, according to the correction officers, and
we'll get into how they caught the person she was
talking to, the plot was allegedly planned for October twenty
(12:46):
twenty four. So I don't know why it didn't happen,
you know what I mean? That's what that's what was freaky,
because I thought it was supposed to be, like, you know,
here in the next few months or something like that
is what it was. But you know, once they learned
about it, they confiscated the person she was texting his phone,
(13:08):
and we'll get into that here in just a second.
But the craziest part was the plan was to kill
him while he was on set for a shoot for
Ghost Adventures.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah you said that before? What which one? I don't
know or any of them.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I think, I think any of them because what I'm
what I'm thinking is there was probably some sort of
prenumptial agreement, and he obviously had some sort of life insurance,
some sort of you know, in the event of his
untimely death, his you know, somebody would get whatever his
estate or whatever is associated with him, and even better
(13:48):
if he got killed while performing his duties on his
show Extra That's what I'm That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, So wow, like be so traumatic if someone came
on set and like killed your coworker, Like what, well.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So, this is what I'm saying, man, These people are
investigating abandoned rooms, abandoned buildings out in the middle of
nowhere nowhere, right, and like even if it was something
as simple as dudes going into a room guys waiting
for him and shoots him in the face. Right, you
(14:27):
think a crazy person is now in this location with
you and they're going to kill you like the rest
of the crew, right. You know, I cannot even imagine
like finding that out if I was Aaron or any
of the staff that worked for that show, Like holy shit,
we could have been on location and you could have
(14:52):
just died, right like that was the plan.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And they could have missed or something. Mean, they could
have killed someone else too, like who knows.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
And I mean everybody has a great plan until the
bullets start flying. The plan goes to shit. So I mean,
who's to say that more people wouldn't have gotten killed
if he was trying to escape and people were maybe
trying to detain him, or maybe if they were in
a more of a metropolitan area because they do plenty
of investigations and like hotels that are still actively being
(15:21):
lived in. You know, it could have been such a
horrible incidents. You know. Wow, That's what kind of blew
me away, was that that's where it was planned.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And in October, I mean, yeah, what happened that?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah? Yeah, well thankfully I think she was playing kind
of like a no pun intended, but like a game
of telephone between her the person she was texting, which,
like I said, we'll get into him, and the person
that was going to actually do it. So there might
have been some laps and communications or something like that.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
A broker.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Somewhat Okay, we'll talk about him in a second. I
got a few more tests.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
She was like texting a friend.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Oh no, no, no, no, oh my gosh. So I
want to kind of talk about some of the purported
text messages before we get into who she was texting.
So one of them was sent to the individual saying,
he's sleeping right now in his hotel room. I need
to know what's going on. Can I get an update?
(16:32):
Was it done?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Like? Wow?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Actively, like this is where he's at, This is what's happening.
I need to know what's happening. You do it right?
Like that's sort of like right. She is getting to
the point of frantically wanting to get this done, like
you can tell just from that sort of text message.
And the real fucked up thing is she planned to
pay the alleged hitman eleven thousand, five hundred and fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, it's like nothing.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
That's what I'm saying to kill someone. That's what I'm
saying to end your husband.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Like, I know that people will just kill people for
eleven thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I mean, I mean people do it for a lot less.
But well yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
But that doesn't seem like enough. Should be like five
hundred million.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I don't know, though, man, because I mean people do
people murder people for nothing, So I mean it's true.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
And I mean if you're it's a stranger to you,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, I mean, if you're if you're a hit man
and you got your Auntie's list ad going, and you know,
maybe that's the going, right, I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Know, you know, it seems so cheap, and it's an.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Odd number too, Like eleven thousand just seems weird.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Taxes and stuff. You know, got to add the taxes
and fees. Yeah, yeah, it's like a concert.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And if you want the hollow points, that's going to
cost you twenty five more, right, But yeah, that it
just see, that's such a weird number and it just
doesn't make sense. I think it's just one of those
like pulled out of thin air, bullshit numbers. And if
I'm being honest, with you that that's really what I
think it is. After she was caught though, you know,
she acknowledged that the couple was experiencing marital problems. No
(18:18):
fucking shit, don't she just swizzling it right? I don't
think he was experiencing marital problems. I think your fucking
batshit crazy is what I think it is. So police
said that she claimed the alleged conversations with the individual,
she was like daydreaming or fantasizing about not being with
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her husband anymore. So, I mean, it's it's kind of crazy,
But let's give some Let's let's give some context to
the gentleman that she was texting. Okay, Sarah, are you
familiar with the man grant a Motto?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
No grant or rant Armatto? Is that No, that's not hermione.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
No no, no, no, no, no, I don't know. So, okay,
we'll get some context for this guy.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Granda Motto was an American former nurse who was convicted
of a family side which he killed his whole family
that occurred in the evening of January twenty fourth, twenty nineteen.
Motto shot his father, mother, and brother Cody in the
head in their home while attempting to stage it as
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a murdered suicide committed by his brother before fleeing the residents.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I remember that. Yep, Wow, yep, that's who she was texting.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yes, that's exactly who she was texting.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
How'd she even get in contact with that guy? Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Will, we'll get there?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Okay wow.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So just to give a little more on him, you know,
he was captured after a twenty four hour or yeah,
twenty four hour manhunt, put on trial, and found guilty, guilty,
and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
This motherfucker's not getting out.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
So he's in jail still.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, yeahs he texting, Well, Sarah, there's a thing called keystering,
and inmates will do that to get things into prison.
And if you're not familiar with.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, oh wow, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, they'll get it in there.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
He's a brokering assassination deals from jail.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I mean, you got life without parole. What you got
to lose? I mean it's not like they're going to
keep you there longer, you.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Know, so they'll give you two lives?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah? Two? Two's crazy, It doesn't make any sense. Yeah,
But before okay, but just to give you this guy's
fucking nuts. Obviously he killed his whole family. Why he
killed his family? A Motto had developed an infatuation with
a Bulgarian model in cam.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Girl, so he had to kill his family for that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
A Motto used some of his father's and brother's money
that amounted to two hundred thousand dollars to pay and
attend her webcam sessions.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
His family attempted to provide therapy and treatment by forcing
him into a rehabilitation center. A week after the treatment,
he returned home argued with his father over the continuing
contact of the camstar. The argument revealed to be a
decisive motive in the murders. One month later. He killed
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his entire family because he liked some chick online and
was paying her money.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
That is insane.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
He is a fucking maniac.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, how old is he? Howld has you? When he
killed everyone? He like early twenties?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Well so he was born in eighty nine. Well he's
about my age, so yeah, he's about thirty five. So
in twenty nineteen he would have been twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Right, Yeah, that's older than I thought.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
He would prefer to do that or no, No, he's
a fucking maniac and a sick freak that that loves
watching whatever. I mean, I know what he was watching her?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Do?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Sure? I get it? Two hundred thousand fucking dollars? So
are you kidding me? Ye? Looks look, Bud, there there
are porn is free. You don't need to pay anybody
any money. It's all over the internet. You can find
it wherever you want. That is absolutely fucking ridiculous. And
(22:34):
then to kill your entire family because you want to
still keep paying this woman money, you know what I mean?
Like God, I cannot believe that that that's what blew
me away? So where how does how does Grant and
missus Goodwin? You know kind of coincide together? It's a
(22:54):
match made in heaven. If we're gonna be honest. She
saw him on a documentary murder TV show and she
thought he was very handsome and attractive. I guess he
is not. Listeners will have a we'll have a picture
for you. Actually, you know what, let me let me uh,
I got a good picture of Victoria and mister motto here,
(23:16):
let me see if I can. I'll share my screen
real quick. I know this is fantastic podcasting. There you go,
look at him, look at him. That is ridiculous, Sarah.
And she is a very lovely lady. Yeah that is so.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
She saw it a documentary with him like that, and
she was like, I gotta talk to him apparently, Like
and he's a jail still.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
At jail stale, he's not getting out, he's not right,
Like what's gonna happen? Like there's no way anything is
going to come of this, Like it's it, Like I
get it. At least Ted Bundy, like the women that
were supposedly attracted to Ted Bundy, he was a halfway
decent looking guy. I mean, he was a fucking maniac
and a murderer. But at least you look like a
(24:11):
you know, pretty respectable gentleman. That guy looks like a
fucking maniac. So and the fact that you think that
somehow that this is gonna be like your your love
story or whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Like.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You have a husband that's extremely successful, you have marital issues,
work it out. Yeah, I don't know that that could
be good or leave.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Right or get divorced.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
That's the thing too. I haven't been able to find
anything on who the actual hit man was, so that
might be part of the problem why it took so long,
because this gentleman's in prison, he has a contraband phone.
He can't always be on it, you know what I mean, Right,
So that probably, like lapse in communication was probably she
(25:00):
was getting a little frantic, she was getting anxious, she
was getting nervous about it. You know. It's one thing,
I guess talking about it to somebody, but then when
you're actually about to do it, it's like, fuck, dude,
freaking out, freaking out. Man, I don't know that. The
thing with them, you know, and I get it. Aaron Goodwin,
(25:23):
he's okay, here we go. He's roughly valued at about
one point five million, so he's he's got some money.
And if he were to die, that's what I kind
of talked about at the beginning, she would have got
some money, you know what I mean. But at the
same time, like killing him on set, there would be
an investigation. They would probably find it out anyway that,
(25:45):
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
That wasn't an accident like what's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, But I mean the way that they got caught,
or that the inmate got caught grand motto was he
they found the phone and they were. I went through
it because obviously, if you're a criminal and you have
a life sentence, there's no need for you to have
a individual cell phone, and everything in there is going
(26:10):
to be our information now. So every text message, everything
like that, just you know, got turned over immediately, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
So that's the only reason she got caught.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
That's the only reason she got caught is because he
got caught with that cell phone.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
So now Victoria and Aaron do not have any kids.
They have a handful of pets, but I mean, thank
god they don't have any kids, because I could not
imagine trying to explain to your I couldn't how would
I explain to my girls that, like, oh, hey, your
mom tried to kill me. That's why she's not around anymore,
you know, like she.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Tried to hire a hit man for only eleven thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
But Victoria is presently being held at the Clark County
Jail with one hundred thousand bond.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Wow, when's her trial?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I am trying to figure that out. I saw an
up and I'm trying to find the damn article now.
But it literally just released today on the fifteenth of April, listeners,
and I'm scouring trying to find it. I thought I
had it saved in my bookmarks, but I don't think so.
But see in this kind of the few things that
Aaron has said about this, he's not been very vocal
(27:19):
about this for obvious reasons. Yeah, he has said that
he felt he was in a happy marriage. So once again,
I don't feel like, based off of interviews I've seen
with him, based off of his persona, that never changes,
whether he's doing ghost adventures, whether he's doing a podcast,
whether he's doing a TV interview, Like, he doesn't change.
(27:43):
That's pretty good judge of character. I don't think he's
fucking problem here, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
What did she do for work? Did she do anything?
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Not sure? I mostly have only been able to find
anything about her. Is that what we're talking about? Know,
I'm sure there's some out there, but yeah, so that's insane.
I don't know, man, It's like, you guys, look at this.
(28:12):
They do another share screen real quick, Let's do a
compare and contrast to what we just saw versus the
lovely what life she could have had? Look at those two,
you know what I mean? Yeah, he's not a bad
looking guy. That other dude looks like a freaking murderer
because he fucking is.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, yeah, he looks all happy and cheery, and she
looks a little fake but.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Well, and once again, man, I hate to see stress.
I hate to say it, but man, I really I
really hate it. But I think it might have been
maybe an ulterior motive of hers from the beginning. You know,
bag myself a rich guy, and see what I can
do to get his money, right because.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
They've got married, what twenty twenty two, and then she
started planning this for like October twenty twenty four. Yeah,
like two years.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, yeah, it was pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I don't know, man, It's one of those super wild
stories that it just doesn't make a lot of sense
to me. Now. Yeah, I kind of wanted to go
down like a couple of different rabbit holes here because
there are no theories, right, so I'm going to come
up with some dumb shit right now, and hopefully it's
not too dumb. So, if you believe in any sort
(29:34):
of paranormal ghost, spirits, demons, angels, whatever, there have reportably
been demonic possessions on ghost adventures. There also have been
reportably entities attaching to the hosts and then like following.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Them, yeah, like home or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Right, So I'm more inclined to believe that she probably
had this plan from the get go. Yeah, but what
if you know, they went to one of the famous
places that Ghost Adventures went was Bob Mackie's. It's a
music venue I think in Elle, Kentucky. I believe supposedly
it has a gateway to hell in it, and they
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actively talked about that investigation of how like shit definitely
came home with them. Now, whether you believe that or not,
I mean, that's up for interpretation. But I mean, I mean,
I honestly do believe that there is good and evil
in the world, whether you want to call it people,
whether you want to call it energy, whether you want
to whatever you want to associate it with. And because
(30:39):
you've I've been to spots where it's just like, this
place feels fucking off. You know, it's not good. Whatever
happened here, whatever is here, It's not good, man, It's
it's really weird. So I'm kind of thinking maybe maybe
something came back with him, attached itself to her, and
came up with this idea Because you know they're getting
(31:01):
sick and tired of Aaron Goodlin and Zach Began's exposing
the truth about the demonic takeover, right.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Or I mean maybe she had the idea, but it
like pushed it over to like take action.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
It very well could have. And the only reason I
kind of I kind of think that is, I mean,
if we're going to go like the spiritual rabbit hole, like,
of all the people that she could have like been
infatuated with, it's grant a motto. Yeah, that murdered his
entire family and is serving Like I don't know, Like
I feel like it's just too coincidental to have like
(31:38):
that much bad energy, you know, just randomly, Yeah, considering
the line of work that Aaron is in. Whether you
believe it or not, it just I don't know it
kind of I was really thinking about that earlier today, Like,
and I need to go back and watch some of
those man because I do remember there have been a
few especially where there have been some pretty scary demonic
(32:01):
things that they've reportedly got on camera and possessions and
stuff like that, which I.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Don't know, Yeah, didn't they get scratched all the time too,
Like their backs and stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah. Yeah, So I mean, like any anything you would
you would get from a typical ghost show, right, the scratches,
the knocking, you know, a lot of stuff signifying in
three to kind of mock the Holy Trinity, all that
good stuff, you know. So I don't know. But the
thing that I don't I don't really care about this.
(32:32):
I read a kind of an interesting article. There's a
handful of people talking about adding charges to a motto m.
It's like, dude, what's the fucking point, right? You know
what I mean? Like, he's already do he's already served
a lifetime. Who cares?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
How did she get in contact with him? Like? That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
So that's the other thing that I was going to
bring up. So I know that you can write letters
to inmates. I know you can, but there has to
be some sort of vetting process.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, that I could. I feel like they would read
it for sure.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well, that's what I'm saying. And you couldn't be like
I need eight one hundred thousand, two hundred and thirty seven,
you know, like and try to like like cryptically write
out a phone number, right or something like. I feel
like the corrections officers would be smart enough to catch
some bullshit like that. Yeah, So that's really what I'm
(33:30):
more interested in. And I was scouring trying to find
out how she got in contact with him. And I mean, listeners,
I'm going to be fully transparent. I am doing that
actively right now. I do not I have not been
able to see anything with Victoria and how she got
in contact with him.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Hmm. I mean maybe it'll come out with the trial too,
or like who was the hit man? I mean that
has to be on the phone, if he was the middleman,
Like was he telling to kill him?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah? I there's like just this random dude that only
takes eleven thousand dollars to be able to go kill somebody, you.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Know what I mean, Like what some psycho that he knows.
I get like he would probably do it if he
was out, Like it's some other psycho that he knows,
I guess, not like an actual hit man.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah. And I honestly cannot wait to keep following this
because like every other mystery or murder that we've talked about,
there are multiple people that aren't even related to the
case that get caught for dumb shit just because.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
The what else was he texting.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
They're they're loosely associated with the case that we're going
over right now, so you know we're gonna go ahead
and get those dudes too. I don't know, but I
just I kind of want to, I kind of want
to think about, like I wonder what is the appeal
because it's usually women that are attracted to these brutal killers,
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you know what I mean. And I'm not saying all women.
I'm just saying the handful that you hear about with
you know, the women that were like writing Ted Bundy
obviously this case, Like, I don't know what the appeal
is there, especially for somebody like this that you're never
going to see him right now, with the exception of
a phone call between Glass, you know what I mean,
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and even then, like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, I don't really get it.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
So well. To kind of put a little bit of
a somewhat of a bow on this, believe it or not,
Aaron filed for divorce against Victoria.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, he's only asking for ten thousand dollars competitive damages,
so he's cheaper than the man. Hey, that's what I'm saying.
You're saving money at this point. Yeah, you know, Wow,
but he also accused his wife of assault for the
possible hit and you know, any sort of like arguing
(35:59):
that she felt comprehensive of harm and you know, intended
to confine him or anything like that. So I guess
that's what he's doing, which once again I think speaks
to the dude's character, you know what I mean, Like
you can tell he's not like an asshole. He's just like, well,
I need to get the fuck out of here. This
is what I feel like I need. Yeah, and I'm
(36:20):
gonna call it good.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It gets full custody of the dogs, yeah, the pet
or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, So listeners, if you want to hire a hitman,
it's only eleven five and fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
I mean, do you think you can actually hire? I mean,
I don't know where I heard this from, but I
heard that, Like I don't know if this is true
or from a TV show, you know, like whatever, but
I heard the like if you try to hire a
hit man, it's all like undercover cops, Like there's no
way to actually hire a hit man, Like it's a
myth that you can do that.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
If you don't know if that's true, if you are
all online and you search for that, you are on
some sort of list for sure immediately, and you are
going to have people contacting you. Maybe not all, but
ninety nine point nine percent of them are probably going
to be undercover police officers. Yeah, saying right, I think
(37:20):
there's no way. And don't get me wrong, I know
you know there's dark web stuff, there's there. There is
murder for hire for sure, that definitely exists. But I
don't think it's like, wait, we're kind of poking fun
at the beginning. I don't think it's as easy as
going on Facebook marketplace and being all like, oh yep
(37:40):
and fifteen got it. Hey, this is the name, this
is the address, get it done right. I feel like
any of the any of the hits for hire, it
would have to be like word of mouth. And I
know a guy that knows a guy, and they're gonna
vet you like crazy to make sure you're not any
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sort of undercover agent or something like that.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Right, So, And I mean I think it was from
a movie.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Oh well, I think it.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Was from the hit Man movie that came out last year.
I remember not well.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
And but even even though it is from a movie,
I mean it probably it's pretty real, right, I mean,
I don't feel like it's as easy. I feel like
it would have been so much easier for her to
kill him and make it look like a fucking accident.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, Like, why didn't she just take matters into her
own hands? If she, well, she's a coward.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
She's probably Yeah, I was going to say a little
bit of a bitch, but yeah, I don't know. It's
just wild and demonic entities took taking her over. I
doubt it. I feel like it was just her trying
to get another a buck, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, I feel like you're was demonic. Then she would
have definitely tried to kill him with her own hands.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I was going to say, I feel like it would
be her for sure, not him or not going through
like a third party's third party. I don't know. Man,
It's it's a wild story and it's an ongoing investigation.
So this is like it was kind of one of
those perfect timings. When I saw it the other day
when we were wrapping up the last episode, I was like, man,
the bad thing is is we're still getting information, so
(39:26):
this will be this will be updated, you know, maybe
here in another six months, we can do a part two.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, yeah, we could update once the trial is over.
More is going on. Probably it's probably going to take
like a year or two, I feel easy.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, easy, yeah, so yeah, maybe maybe that's what we'll do. Well,
we'll have a we'll have a part two in like
a year or two, you know, heart, back to the heart,
back to the good old days when we were like
talking about our two digit episodes, you know what I mean.
So yeah, well that's really all I got for that.
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Do you have anything to add, any words of wisdom
anything like that, Sarah.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Words of wisdom? Yeah, don't hire a hit.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Man, yep.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
And maybe just get divorced.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Or if you want to kill your significant other, be
a don't be a coward, do yourself. I'm endorsing that.
I'm not condoning it. It's a joke. Do not do that.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I mean, usually when someone dies, it is their significant other,
so she would have been investigated anyway if he died.
But whatever, just get divorced, it's so much easier, or
just like you know, disappear, never talk to them again.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, steal a bunch of his money and leave.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Sure. Yeah, it's a lot easier, probably I would I
would think so.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
But here we are but listeners. That's going to wrap
it up for today as far as Victoria fucking Goodwin
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The Paranoid Perspective.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I am Jake and I'm Sarah.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Today we're gonna get like kind of like check all
the boxes. Man we got spooky stuff, we got ghosts,
we got murder, we got conspiracy. Like, dude, it checks
all the boxes, all of them. So we are talking
about Victoria Goodwin. And this has kind of been like
a viral thing. I've seen it on TikTok quite a lot,
(01:44):
just kind of following the case and whatnot, and it's
still like pretty fresh. But I figured for listeners that
may not know, we could probably just start kind of
at the beginning, so to really give it some context.
Victoria is married to Aaron Goodwin, and Aaron Goodwin is
one of the hosts of the popular TV show Ghost Adventures.
(02:08):
And I'll be real honest with you, that is one
of my guilty pleasures listeners. My oldest daughter and I
used to sit and watch Ghost Adventures all the time
together and it was It's a fun show. It's a
little hokey, it's a little whatever, but it's one of those,
I think guilty pleasure. You ever partaked in the Ghost Adventures.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Sarah, Yeah, yeah, I love those show.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah. Well, and I'll give some context to the actual
show itself, but before we get into that, I feel like,
out of all the people on that, you know, you've
got that main guy that Zach Bacon's guy. He wears
the Extra Small Affliction shirts and you know he's he's
that come at me bro with the you know it
with with that it's a little stupid. I'm not really
(02:50):
a big fan of him. I feel like it's just
way way over like over the top. There's no need
to be that way.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Yeah, well he's begging them on, that's right.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah. I mean it's a reality show, so I mean
you do have to have some aspect of that. But
when it comes to Aaron Goodwin, I honestly feel like
he is a true believer in trying his best to
understand these paranormal incidences or these ghosts for supporting or
something like that. He always has like he's always seemed genuine,
(03:21):
whether I've seen him in interviews or on TV. It's
never been like this big show, you know.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
So, out of all of the people that I've enjoyed
watching on Ghost Adventures over the years, I think Aaron
has always been kind of my a go to guy.
You know, He's the one that is always kind of
has that foot out in the paranormal but also has
his foot in the real world too, sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Yeah, right, good balance.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Right, So let's talk about Ghost Adventures. Okay. So Ghost
Adventures was an American paranormal and reality show that premiered
October seventeenth, two thousand and eight, on the Travel Channel.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah, it has been around for a while while a
long time, and it was on the Travel Channel, but it,
you know, has since recently moved to Discovery Plus. I
think in like the early twenty twenty twenties something like that.
It's pretty much, you know, set up as that first
person camera view. You know, you have a host or
(04:19):
a couple hosts, but that's really what it is. We're
going to go to a spooky place and we're gonna
film it, and we're all gonna film it ourselves. It's
not going to be some big film crew. I think
it was one of those like first advents of that
type of show, you know what I mean. Yeah, And
since then, a lot of those have you know, really
exploded in pop culture and in movies itself, you know,
(04:40):
the found footage documentaries and I think The Player, which
probably inspired most of that. But you know, that's kind
of the vein of what we're looking at as far
as the reality show if people aren't familiar with ghost Adventures,
but the program follows ghost hunters. Zach Began's we already
talked about him. He's kind of the main character. Aaron Goodwin,
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Bill Holly, and Jay Wosley, and there have been a
few other co hosts here and there, but those are
the four main people that you will always see and
they just pretty much go to places and investigate reported hauntings,
paranormal demons, you know anything.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
So are they still making episodes?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I believe so.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
I haven't watched it in a while.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Well, so when I was going through some research, I
was looking at those four members that I just talked about,
the Zach Beacons, Aaron Goodwin, Bill Holly, and Jay Wisley. Wossley,
I think, I forgive me if I'm saying that wrong,
but I think that's how you say. It says two
thousand and eight to present. So wow, I think they're
still going hard in the paint with it. You know
what I mean? I need a binge watch, I know
(05:44):
right well, it is on Discovery Plus. The listeners. You
got Discovery Plus check that out. I don't know how
many episodes there are, but you know, but the thing
is like, so they've had what where were we at? Oh?
Here we go? Twenty eight seasons in a twenty ninth
season two be announced supposedly April twenty third of twenty
twenty five. Supposedly, Wow, that's next week, That's what I'm saying, So.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Well dating our episode.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
But well, listeners, it'll be past that by the time
you hear this. But yeah, it'll be April twenty third
of twenty twenty five. But with that, they've had not
only those twenty nine seasons, they've had spinoffs. So there's
ghost Adventures, After Shocks, Ghost Adventures, Where are they now?
The serial Killer, Spirits, Screaming Room, Quarantine, Top ten house Calls.
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I mean, the thing is they once they realize that
they kind of caught fire with this I think in
the early two or the late two thousands, dude, people
love this shit, and I mean I do. I watch
it all the time, you know what I mean. So
it's one of those where keep it going. You know,
let's try to you know, the sitcom shows of the nineties,
(06:54):
you know, with the crazy amounts of seasons that we have.
But we're just going to talk about, you know, ghosts
and paranormal and stuff like that. But I was kind
of surprised about that. I I couldn't remember that, you know,
it was I knew it was a lot, but I
was thinking it was going to be like less than twenty.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Yeah, right it and they did like five right it
all a serial killer one like that sounds interesting?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I mean so there there are a lot like
if you want to consume some ghost adventures Sarah and
you want to binge, dude, you were set for.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
A wild I'll start over from the beginning.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Well see, and I thought about that too, And sorry
to go off on some tangents, but like, it's always
fun to go back and watch stuff from like the
thousands because it's so crazy bad. It's not even it's
almost like watching a cheesy, B rated movie.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Right, yeah, that's so bad it's good again.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, right, you get that nostalgia factor. So it's always
it's always funny. But to kind of get into what
we're going to talk about, So this show started in
two thousand and eight. Aaron and Victoria got married in
two thousand and twenty two, so he had he had
been on the show for a while. Now. The reason
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why I bring that up and to give it some preface.
Is I feel like I can't remember what his net
worth was. When I looked it up, it was something
like a million. Okay, so he's relatively wealthy by standards
of you know, reality television. I'm assuming with him having
that level of success and getting married, there was probably
some sort of prenumptual agreement. I would assume in that
(08:32):
sort of situation. Now I couldn't find out if that
was actually true or not. I am strictly assuming right here,
So listeners of you know, let me know. But I
could not find if there was any like legal pre
nupt for that marriage. It just says they got married
in twenty twenty two at the Haunted Mansion and Disneyland
of all places. So quite fitting. Oh wow, you know,
(08:53):
I mean, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I know you could get married there.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Well, I feel like when you're a reality TV star,
you can probably get married wherever the fuck you want.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
But a million dollars please for this?
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yeah, one one million please. But you know we're talking
about Aaron. He was already successful getting married. I feel
like people in that in those situations, they usually vet
people relatively well. You would think, you know, you're dating
you're having a good time, you can usually get a
pretty good feel for, you know, any weirdness that might happen,
(09:31):
And we can really only go off of social media,
like everything they posted, which isn't the best, you know,
judge of how someone's life is because it's kind of
fake and fabricated. But there was never anything that was
like kind of like a red flag. They always were
anytime they posted together, they looked happy, They looked, you know,
everybody was having a great time. They were going and
(09:53):
traveling and having a blast.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
How long did they date before they got married.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I couldn't find that. I found. I just could figureigure
out when when they got married, So I mean I
would assume they'd probably would have had to have dated
for at least a couple years, you would think, I mean,
maybe not. I honestly don't know off the top of
my head, and I've tried to find it, but I
couldn't really really find anything on that. But I mean,
(10:18):
according to most of the social media and all the
posts that they had, like I said, they were relatively happy.
There was no weirdness happening. There there was no like
weird posts you know of we're not really getting along.
This is whatever, at least from what I could find.
But like I said, too, social media is a bad
judge of what's actually happening in somebody's life. You know,
(10:41):
it's all sunshine and beaches and then you know, next thing,
you know, you're in a slew of depression just because whatever,
you know what I mean. So getting to the story itself,
So we've got kind of a good, a good backdrop
to what we're going to talk about today. So Aaron
Goodwin's wife, Victoria Goodwin was jailed for recruiting a hitman
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to kill him. That's so crazy, look, man, just that,
like I don't even know where you would go to
get that.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Right, Yeah, you know what I mean, Like like a Craigslist.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah yeah. Let me let me hop on Angie's list
real quick and see if I can find some you know,
men for hire to you know, get somebody out of
my life or you know, in their existence or whatever.
But when she was arrested, it was March sixth, so
very recent. I mean today as we're recording is the fifteenth,
so we're only looking at you know, about nine days
(11:38):
ago she was arrested. And she was arrested on six
counts of solicitation to commit murder as well as conspiracy
to commit murder. So wow, I don't know. And what's
really weird is she so far has dismissed any intention
of wanting to kill her husband. And according to the
rest record that was, you know, available when she will
(12:02):
talk about this, But she was texting a person and
asking if she was a bad person because I'd for
hiring this. Yeah, she And the exact text was, am
I a bad person because I chose to end his
existence and not divorce?
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
I would say yeah, I would say yes. I would
say yes, You're a very shitty person.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Wait, is that how she got caught by texting that?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
There were a slew of text messages that got her caught.
That is just one of probably many that she got
caught with. But apparently, according to the correction officers, and
we'll get into how they caught the person she was
talking to, the plot was allegedly planned for October twenty
(12:46):
twenty four. So I don't know why it didn't happen,
you know what I mean? That's what that's what was freaky,
because I thought it was supposed to be, like, you know,
here in the next few months or something like that
is what it was. But you know, once they learned
about it, they confiscated the person she was texting his phone,
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and we'll get into that here in just a second.
But the craziest part was the plan was to kill
him while he was on set for a shoot for
Ghost Adventures.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Yeah you said that before? What which one? I don't
know or any of them.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
I think, I think any of them because what I'm
what I'm thinking is there was probably some sort of
prenumptial agreement, and he obviously had some sort of life insurance,
some sort of you know, in the event of his
untimely death, his you know, somebody would get whatever his
estate or whatever is associated with him, and even better
(13:48):
if he got killed while performing his duties on his
show Extra That's what I'm That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, So wow, like be so traumatic if someone came
on set and like killed your coworker, Like what, well.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
So, this is what I'm saying, man, These people are
investigating abandoned rooms, abandoned buildings out in the middle of
nowhere nowhere, right, and like even if it was something
as simple as dudes going into a room guys waiting
for him and shoots him in the face. Right, you
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think a crazy person is now in this location with
you and they're going to kill you like the rest
of the crew, right. You know, I cannot even imagine
like finding that out if I was Aaron or any
of the staff that worked for that show, Like holy shit,
we could have been on location and you could have
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just died, right like that was the plan.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
And they could have missed or something. Mean, they could
have killed someone else too, like who knows.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
And I mean everybody has a great plan until the
bullets start flying. The plan goes to shit. So I mean,
who's to say that more people wouldn't have gotten killed
if he was trying to escape and people were maybe
trying to detain him, or maybe if they were in
a more of a metropolitan area because they do plenty
of investigations and like hotels that are still actively being
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lived in. You know, it could have been such a
horrible incidents. You know. Wow, That's what kind of blew
me away, was that that's where it was planned.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And in October, I mean, yeah, what happened that?
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah? Yeah, well thankfully I think she was playing kind
of like a no pun intended, but like a game
of telephone between her the person she was texting, which,
like I said, we'll get into him, and the person
that was going to actually do it. So there might
have been some laps and communications or something like that.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
A broker.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
Somewhat Okay, we'll talk about him in a second. I
got a few more tests.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
She was like texting a friend.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Oh no, no, no, no, oh my gosh. So I
want to kind of talk about some of the purported
text messages before we get into who she was texting.
So one of them was sent to the individual saying,
he's sleeping right now in his hotel room. I need
to know what's going on. Can I get an update?
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Was it done?
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Like? Wow?
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Actively, like this is where he's at, This is what's happening.
I need to know what's happening. You do it right?
Like that's sort of like right. She is getting to
the point of frantically wanting to get this done, like
you can tell just from that sort of text message.
And the real fucked up thing is she planned to
pay the alleged hitman eleven thousand, five hundred and fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, it's like nothing.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
That's what I'm saying to kill someone. That's what I'm
saying to end your husband.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Like, I know that people will just kill people for
eleven thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I mean, I mean people do it for a lot less.
But well yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
But that doesn't seem like enough. Should be like five
hundred million.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
I don't know, though, man, because I mean people do
people murder people for nothing, So I mean it's true.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
And I mean if you're it's a stranger to you,
I guess.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, I mean, if you're if you're a hit man
and you got your Auntie's list ad going, and you know,
maybe that's the going, right, I don't.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Know, you know, it seems so cheap, and it's an.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Odd number too, Like eleven thousand just seems weird.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Taxes and stuff. You know, got to add the taxes
and fees. Yeah, yeah, it's like a concert.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
And if you want the hollow points, that's going to
cost you twenty five more, right, But yeah, that it
just see, that's such a weird number and it just
doesn't make sense. I think it's just one of those
like pulled out of thin air, bullshit numbers. And if
I'm being honest, with you that that's really what I
think it is. After she was caught though, you know,
she acknowledged that the couple was experiencing marital problems. No
(18:18):
fucking shit, don't she just swizzling it right? I don't
think he was experiencing marital problems. I think your fucking
batshit crazy is what I think it is. So police
said that she claimed the alleged conversations with the individual,
she was like daydreaming or fantasizing about not being with
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her husband anymore. So, I mean, it's it's kind of crazy,
But let's give some Let's let's give some context to
the gentleman that she was texting. Okay, Sarah, are you
familiar with the man grant a Motto?
Speaker 1 (18:58):
No grant or rant Armatto? Is that No, that's not hermione.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
No no, no, no, no, no, I don't know. So, okay,
we'll get some context for this guy.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Granda Motto was an American former nurse who was convicted
of a family side which he killed his whole family
that occurred in the evening of January twenty fourth, twenty nineteen.
Motto shot his father, mother, and brother Cody in the
head in their home while attempting to stage it as
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a murdered suicide committed by his brother before fleeing the residents.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I remember that. Yep, Wow, yep, that's who she was texting.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yes, that's exactly who she was texting.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
How'd she even get in contact with that guy? Oh?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Will, we'll get there?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Okay wow.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So just to give a little more on him, you know,
he was captured after a twenty four hour or yeah,
twenty four hour manhunt, put on trial, and found guilty, guilty,
and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.
This motherfucker's not getting out.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
So he's in jail still.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Yeah, yeahs he texting, Well, Sarah, there's a thing called keystering,
and inmates will do that to get things into prison.
And if you're not familiar with.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, oh wow, okay.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Oh yeah, yeah, they'll get it in there.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
He's a brokering assassination deals from jail.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
I mean, you got life without parole. What you got
to lose? I mean it's not like they're going to
keep you there longer, you.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Know, so they'll give you two lives?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah? Two? Two's crazy, It doesn't make any sense. Yeah,
But before okay, but just to give you this guy's
fucking nuts. Obviously he killed his whole family. Why he
killed his family? A Motto had developed an infatuation with
a Bulgarian model in cam.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Girl, so he had to kill his family for that.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
A Motto used some of his father's and brother's money
that amounted to two hundred thousand dollars to pay and
attend her webcam sessions.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
His family attempted to provide therapy and treatment by forcing
him into a rehabilitation center. A week after the treatment,
he returned home argued with his father over the continuing
contact of the camstar. The argument revealed to be a
decisive motive in the murders. One month later. He killed
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his entire family because he liked some chick online and
was paying her money.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
That is insane.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
He is a fucking maniac.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Yeah, how old is he? Howld has you? When he
killed everyone? He like early twenties?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Well so he was born in eighty nine. Well he's
about my age, so yeah, he's about thirty five. So
in twenty nineteen he would have been twenty nine.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Right, Yeah, that's older than I thought.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
He would prefer to do that or no, No, he's
a fucking maniac and a sick freak that that loves
watching whatever. I mean, I know what he was watching her?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Do?
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Sure? I get it? Two hundred thousand fucking dollars? So
are you kidding me? Ye? Looks look, Bud, there there
are porn is free. You don't need to pay anybody
any money. It's all over the internet. You can find
it wherever you want. That is absolutely fucking ridiculous. And
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then to kill your entire family because you want to
still keep paying this woman money, you know what I mean?
Like God, I cannot believe that that that's what blew
me away? So where how does how does Grant and
missus Goodwin? You know kind of coincide together? It's a
(22:54):
match made in heaven. If we're gonna be honest. She
saw him on a documentary murder TV show and she
thought he was very handsome and attractive. I guess he
is not. Listeners will have a we'll have a picture
for you. Actually, you know what, let me let me uh,
I got a good picture of Victoria and mister motto here,
(23:16):
let me see if I can. I'll share my screen
real quick. I know this is fantastic podcasting. There you go,
look at him, look at him. That is ridiculous, Sarah.
And she is a very lovely lady. Yeah that is so.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
She saw it a documentary with him like that, and
she was like, I gotta talk to him apparently, Like
and he's a jail still.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
At jail stale, he's not getting out, he's not right,
Like what's gonna happen? Like there's no way anything is
going to come of this, Like it's it, Like I
get it. At least Ted Bundy, like the women that
were supposedly attracted to Ted Bundy, he was a halfway
decent looking guy. I mean, he was a fucking maniac
and a murderer. But at least you look like a
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you know, pretty respectable gentleman. That guy looks like a
fucking maniac. So and the fact that you think that
somehow that this is gonna be like your your love
story or whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Like.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
You have a husband that's extremely successful, you have marital issues,
work it out. Yeah, I don't know that that could
be good or leave.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Right or get divorced.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
That's the thing too. I haven't been able to find
anything on who the actual hit man was, so that
might be part of the problem why it took so long,
because this gentleman's in prison, he has a contraband phone.
He can't always be on it, you know what I mean, Right,
So that probably, like lapse in communication was probably she
(25:00):
was getting a little frantic, she was getting anxious, she
was getting nervous about it. You know. It's one thing,
I guess talking about it to somebody, but then when
you're actually about to do it, it's like, fuck, dude,
freaking out, freaking out. Man, I don't know that. The
thing with them, you know, and I get it. Aaron Goodwin,
(25:23):
he's okay, here we go. He's roughly valued at about
one point five million, so he's he's got some money.
And if he were to die, that's what I kind
of talked about at the beginning, she would have got
some money, you know what I mean. But at the
same time, like killing him on set, there would be
an investigation. They would probably find it out anyway that,
(25:45):
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
That wasn't an accident like what's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, But I mean the way that they got caught,
or that the inmate got caught grand motto was he
they found the phone and they were. I went through
it because obviously, if you're a criminal and you have
a life sentence, there's no need for you to have
a individual cell phone, and everything in there is going
(26:10):
to be our information now. So every text message, everything
like that, just you know, got turned over immediately, you know.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
So that's the only reason she got caught.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
That's the only reason she got caught is because he
got caught with that cell phone.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
So now Victoria and Aaron do not have any kids.
They have a handful of pets, but I mean, thank
god they don't have any kids, because I could not
imagine trying to explain to your I couldn't how would
I explain to my girls that, like, oh, hey, your
mom tried to kill me. That's why she's not around anymore,
you know, like she.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Tried to hire a hit man for only eleven thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
But Victoria is presently being held at the Clark County
Jail with one hundred thousand bond.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Wow, when's her trial?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I am trying to figure that out. I saw an
up and I'm trying to find the damn article now.
But it literally just released today on the fifteenth of April, listeners,
and I'm scouring trying to find it. I thought I
had it saved in my bookmarks, but I don't think so.
But see in this kind of the few things that
Aaron has said about this, he's not been very vocal
(27:19):
about this for obvious reasons. Yeah, he has said that
he felt he was in a happy marriage. So once again,
I don't feel like, based off of interviews I've seen
with him, based off of his persona, that never changes,
whether he's doing ghost adventures, whether he's doing a podcast,
whether he's doing a TV interview, Like, he doesn't change.
(27:43):
That's pretty good judge of character. I don't think he's
fucking problem here, right, Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:49):
What did she do for work? Did she do anything?
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Not sure? I mostly have only been able to find
anything about her. Is that what we're talking about? Know,
I'm sure there's some out there, but yeah, so that's insane.
I don't know, man, It's like, you guys, look at this.
(28:12):
They do another share screen real quick, Let's do a
compare and contrast to what we just saw versus the
lovely what life she could have had? Look at those two,
you know what I mean? Yeah, he's not a bad
looking guy. That other dude looks like a freaking murderer
because he fucking is.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, yeah, he looks all happy and cheery, and she
looks a little fake but.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Well, and once again, man, I hate to see stress.
I hate to say it, but man, I really I
really hate it. But I think it might have been
maybe an ulterior motive of hers from the beginning. You know,
bag myself a rich guy, and see what I can
do to get his money, right because.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
They've got married, what twenty twenty two, and then she
started planning this for like October twenty twenty four. Yeah,
like two years.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, yeah, it was pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
I don't know, man, It's one of those super wild
stories that it just doesn't make a lot of sense
to me. Now. Yeah, I kind of wanted to go
down like a couple of different rabbit holes here because
there are no theories, right, so I'm going to come
up with some dumb shit right now, and hopefully it's
not too dumb. So, if you believe in any sort
(29:34):
of paranormal ghost, spirits, demons, angels, whatever, there have reportably
been demonic possessions on ghost adventures. There also have been
reportably entities attaching to the hosts and then like following.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Them, yeah, like home or whatever.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Right, So I'm more inclined to believe that she probably
had this plan from the get go. Yeah, but what
if you know, they went to one of the famous
places that Ghost Adventures went was Bob Mackie's. It's a
music venue I think in Elle, Kentucky. I believe supposedly
it has a gateway to hell in it, and they
(30:19):
actively talked about that investigation of how like shit definitely
came home with them. Now, whether you believe that or not,
I mean, that's up for interpretation. But I mean, I mean,
I honestly do believe that there is good and evil
in the world, whether you want to call it people,
whether you want to call it energy, whether you want
to whatever you want to associate it with. And because
(30:39):
you've I've been to spots where it's just like, this
place feels fucking off. You know, it's not good. Whatever
happened here, whatever is here, It's not good, man, It's
it's really weird. So I'm kind of thinking maybe maybe
something came back with him, attached itself to her, and
came up with this idea Because you know they're getting
(31:01):
sick and tired of Aaron Goodlin and Zach Began's exposing
the truth about the demonic takeover, right.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Or I mean maybe she had the idea, but it
like pushed it over to like take action.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
It very well could have. And the only reason I
kind of I kind of think that is, I mean,
if we're going to go like the spiritual rabbit hole, like,
of all the people that she could have like been
infatuated with, it's grant a motto. Yeah, that murdered his
entire family and is serving Like I don't know, Like
I feel like it's just too coincidental to have like
(31:38):
that much bad energy, you know, just randomly, Yeah, considering
the line of work that Aaron is in. Whether you
believe it or not, it just I don't know it
kind of I was really thinking about that earlier today, Like,
and I need to go back and watch some of
those man because I do remember there have been a
few especially where there have been some pretty scary demonic
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things that they've reportedly got on camera and possessions and
stuff like that, which I.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Don't know, Yeah, didn't they get scratched all the time too,
Like their backs and stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Yeah. Yeah, So I mean, like any anything you would
you would get from a typical ghost show, right, the scratches,
the knocking, you know, a lot of stuff signifying in
three to kind of mock the Holy Trinity, all that
good stuff, you know. So I don't know. But the
thing that I don't I don't really care about this.
(32:32):
I read a kind of an interesting article. There's a
handful of people talking about adding charges to a motto m.
It's like, dude, what's the fucking point, right? You know
what I mean? Like, he's already do he's already served
a lifetime. Who cares?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
How did she get in contact with him? Like? That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
So that's the other thing that I was going to
bring up. So I know that you can write letters
to inmates. I know you can, but there has to
be some sort of vetting process.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, that I could. I feel like they would read
it for sure.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well, that's what I'm saying. And you couldn't be like
I need eight one hundred thousand, two hundred and thirty seven,
you know, like and try to like like cryptically write
out a phone number, right or something like. I feel
like the corrections officers would be smart enough to catch
some bullshit like that. Yeah, So that's really what I'm
(33:30):
more interested in. And I was scouring trying to find
out how she got in contact with him. And I mean, listeners,
I'm going to be fully transparent. I am doing that
actively right now. I do not I have not been
able to see anything with Victoria and how she got
in contact with him.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Hmm. I mean maybe it'll come out with the trial too,
or like who was the hit man? I mean that
has to be on the phone, if he was the middleman,
Like was he telling to kill him?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah? I there's like just this random dude that only
takes eleven thousand dollars to be able to go kill somebody, you.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Know what I mean, Like what some psycho that he knows.
I get like he would probably do it if he
was out, Like it's some other psycho that he knows,
I guess, not like an actual hit man.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
Yeah. And I honestly cannot wait to keep following this
because like every other mystery or murder that we've talked about,
there are multiple people that aren't even related to the
case that get caught for dumb shit just because.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
The what else was he texting.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
They're they're loosely associated with the case that we're going
over right now, so you know we're gonna go ahead
and get those dudes too. I don't know, but I
just I kind of want to, I kind of want
to think about, like I wonder what is the appeal
because it's usually women that are attracted to these brutal killers,
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you know what I mean. And I'm not saying all women.
I'm just saying the handful that you hear about with
you know, the women that were like writing Ted Bundy
obviously this case, Like, I don't know what the appeal
is there, especially for somebody like this that you're never
going to see him right now, with the exception of
a phone call between Glass, you know what I mean,
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and even then, like I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, I don't really get it.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
So well. To kind of put a little bit of
a somewhat of a bow on this, believe it or not,
Aaron filed for divorce against Victoria.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
That's good.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah, he's only asking for ten thousand dollars competitive damages,
so he's cheaper than the man. Hey, that's what I'm saying.
You're saving money at this point. Yeah, you know, Wow,
but he also accused his wife of assault for the
possible hit and you know, any sort of like arguing
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that she felt comprehensive of harm and you know, intended
to confine him or anything like that. So I guess
that's what he's doing, which once again I think speaks
to the dude's character, you know what I mean, Like
you can tell he's not like an asshole. He's just like, well,
I need to get the fuck out of here. This
is what I feel like I need. Yeah, and I'm
(36:20):
gonna call it good.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It gets full custody of the dogs, yeah, the pet
or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Yeah, So listeners, if you want to hire a hitman,
it's only eleven five and fifteen dollars.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
I mean, do you think you can actually hire? I mean,
I don't know where I heard this from, but I
heard that, Like I don't know if this is true
or from a TV show, you know, like whatever, but
I heard the like if you try to hire a
hit man, it's all like undercover cops, Like there's no
way to actually hire a hit man, Like it's a
myth that you can do that.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
If you don't know if that's true, if you are
all online and you search for that, you are on
some sort of list for sure immediately, and you are
going to have people contacting you. Maybe not all, but
ninety nine point nine percent of them are probably going
to be undercover police officers. Yeah, saying right, I think
(37:20):
there's no way. And don't get me wrong, I know
you know there's dark web stuff, there's there. There is
murder for hire for sure, that definitely exists. But I
don't think it's like, wait, we're kind of poking fun
at the beginning. I don't think it's as easy as
going on Facebook marketplace and being all like, oh yep
(37:40):
and fifteen got it. Hey, this is the name, this
is the address, get it done right. I feel like
any of the any of the hits for hire, it
would have to be like word of mouth. And I
know a guy that knows a guy, and they're gonna
vet you like crazy to make sure you're not any
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sort of undercover agent or something like that.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Right, So, And I mean I think it was from
a movie.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Oh well, I think it.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Was from the hit Man movie that came out last year.
I remember not well.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
And but even even though it is from a movie,
I mean it probably it's pretty real, right, I mean,
I don't feel like it's as easy. I feel like
it would have been so much easier for her to
kill him and make it look like a fucking accident.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, Like, why didn't she just take matters into her
own hands? If she, well, she's a coward.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
She's probably Yeah, I was going to say a little
bit of a bitch, but yeah, I don't know. It's
just wild and demonic entities took taking her over. I
doubt it. I feel like it was just her trying
to get another a buck, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, I feel like you're was demonic. Then she would
have definitely tried to kill him with her own hands.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
I was going to say, I feel like it would
be her for sure, not him or not going through
like a third party's third party. I don't know. Man,
It's it's a wild story and it's an ongoing investigation.
So this is like it was kind of one of
those perfect timings. When I saw it the other day
when we were wrapping up the last episode, I was like, man,
the bad thing is is we're still getting information, so
(39:26):
this will be this will be updated, you know, maybe
here in another six months, we can do a part two.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Yeah, yeah, we could update once the trial is over.
More is going on. Probably it's probably going to take
like a year or two, I feel easy.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, easy, yeah, so yeah, maybe maybe that's what we'll do. Well,
we'll have a we'll have a part two in like
a year or two, you know, heart, back to the heart,
back to the good old days when we were like
talking about our two digit episodes, you know what I mean.
So yeah, well that's really all I got for that.
(40:03):
Do you have anything to add, any words of wisdom
anything like that, Sarah.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Words of wisdom? Yeah, don't hire a hit.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Man, yep.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
And maybe just get divorced.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Or if you want to kill your significant other, be
a don't be a coward, do yourself. I'm endorsing that.
I'm not condoning it. It's a joke. Do not do that.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
I mean, usually when someone dies, it is their significant other,
so she would have been investigated anyway if he died.
But whatever, just get divorced, it's so much easier, or
just like you know, disappear, never talk to them again.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
Yeah, steal a bunch of his money and leave.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Sure. Yeah, it's a lot easier, probably I would I
would think so.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
But here we are but listeners. That's going to wrap
it up for today as far as Victoria fucking Goodwin
and all of her madness. So if you guys have
any information that we miss anything that comes out here
in the future, make sure you interact with any of
the content that you are listening to watching, let us
know in the comments, give us a review wherever you're
(41:12):
listening to this and as.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Always, remember just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching.
See you next time on the paranoid perspective.
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