Ep. 15- Into the Void: The Haunting Secrets of Hoia Baciu Forest

Dubbed the “Bermuda Triangle of Romania,” Hoia Baciu Forest is a place of legends, vanishings, and paranormal phenomena. From ghost sightings and UFO encounters to a mysterious clearing where nothing grows, this forest has terrified and fascinated locals and investigators for decades. In this episode, we peel back the layers of one of the world’s most sinister and suppressed forest mysteries.

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(01:19):
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Speaker 1 (01:20):
I'm Jake and I'm Sarah.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Today we are going over well, Sarah, it's like every
time you come up with something you want to do.
It's something that I want to know about, and it's
starting to become some like a weird like more than
a coincidence thing. So what are we What are we
talking about today, Sarah?

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Today we're talking about the Hoyo Bachu Forest in Romania,
which is apparently the most haunted forest in Europe maybe
the world.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
It's wild, man, like I've like I've done like the
YouTube rabbit Holes, like multiple videos in a row on
the Hoyo Bachu forest. Like it's yeah, there to not
you know, coin the phrase away from you know, Bradshaw Ranch.
You want to talk about real high strangeness, it's fucking there.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
So yeah, yeah, this will be not as disappointing.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah, And I mean there's been a lot of shows
that have done this too, So.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah, I was gonna on the radar, I was gonna say,
it's like History Channel, Discovery, like Travel Channel, like all
the like heavy hitters have done some like or multiple
you know series or shows about this forest.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Right. Yeah. So it's called the Romanian Bermuda Triangle, which
is I didn't know that, but it's a few miles
away from cluge. I think that's how you say it.
I'm not Romanian. It's in northwestern Romania, and it's the
heart of Transylvania, so already.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, we're already in the spooky country.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, but it's so close to the city that it's like,
why is it so spooky? But we'll get into it.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
It's only three square kilometers though, which is like one
square mile, So it's pretty small too for like a forest.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
So that's the thing that blew me away. Like when
you see like documentaries or you read up on this
or something like that, you're you're expecting like this massive
expanse of like wilderness. Realistically, if you walk in a
straight line, you'll be out of there in about an
hour tops, if you're really moving slow.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
So so yeah, that makes it even creepier. I guess
it is very dense.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Though, yes, yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Still it's yeah, road is yeah, so close. So in
the next sixties it gained worldwide infamy because that's kind
of when they started. I guess scientists started researching about
it and stuff, and they were excavating settlements that they
had found in the forest. Okay, because I guess like
there was an ancient like conflict a long time ago

(03:56):
and kind of a massacre from like this ancient town.
I guess that used to be in there.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Or they were in the forest.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, apparently there's ruins, although some people say they see
the ruins and then they're not there anymore, so they're
just shy. But but yeah, there were some kind of
people living in the forest. I mean I would say,
you know, like maybe how Native Americans lived where. It
was not like buildings and everything, just more natural living.

(04:25):
But people lived in there and then they were excavating
it from the sixties to the nineties, so there's been
a lot of Yeah, like some people made this their
life work, which is crazy. Yeah, there were a lot
of scientists who became interested in the forest because of
the strangely shaped trees, which I could share a photo

(04:46):
in a little bit. But also there's like a clearing.
Everyone talks about this clearing where nothing grows there except
like very short grass maybe or everything's dead and they
don't know why. So that's one high strangeness.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, and the crazy thing is you can see it
from like if you hop on Google Maps or Google
Earth or whatever, like, you can see it from the
satellite images. It's that prevalent. It's not like there's you know,
somewhat of a clearing of trees here. It's like, no,
this is a fucking circle in the middle.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Of the woods, right, there's literally method yeah yeah, yeah,
So here's like some physical and paranormal effects of the trees. First,
visitors report sudden symptoms when they're walking in there, like headaches, vomiting,
skin burns, scratches, or like disorientation. Yeah, so it's weird,

(05:38):
and they say these effects intensify the closer you get
to the clearing. So it's centered around this clearing, which
they call the rotunda.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Okay, yeah, so everything is like emanating from the center
of where that clearing is at, and the closer you
get is just like more uneasy and more I mean
the scratches, the scratch and stuff, like we can chalk
that up to probably like you're walking through a dense forest,
but like the nausea like immediately happening, and for it
to be so widespread and then like the feeling of uneasiness.

(06:11):
I know that's kind of like some people like to
associate that with the wu but I think everybody's been
somewhere whether you think you're like even if you're not
like scared, you've been in like a place where you
just it doesn't feel right and you can't like explain it,
but you definitely feel it. And it's from my understanding
of what I was looking at with this, it's a

(06:33):
very very common occurrence.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, I mean, it's just like you're being watched or
something too or Yeah, but locals do say like the
forest amplifies like whatever you bring into it, like whatever emotion.
So if you're kind of happy and stuff you, then
maybe it won't affect you as much. But if you're
already like nervous or depressed or whatever, it's gonna amplify that.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah. I could see that too, from like a psychological aspect,
like you know the whole like the ghost Hunter shows
or whatever that people do. You go into a dark,
dilapidated building and you're looking for ghosts, like you're gonna
start You're gonna you're gonna already have that preconceived notion
of you're gonna be scared shitless, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
If you already think there's something weird going on, you're
gonna be uneasy. So that makes sense. Yeah, And I'm
gonna share my screen real fast. Hopefully, where's it.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Great podcasting material podcasters? The trees, see, that's that freaks
me out more than anything like that doesn't look real.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, I forgot to research something about the trees because
I have, you know, that book I got for Christmas
about the Hidden Life of Trees. I think it said
something in there about like like snowfall and stuff like
when the tree is small, the snowfall every year can
like kind of bend it like that, and then once

(08:01):
it grows taller, So that could be a natural, but
not It's not like all the trees are like that though.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, but so for listeners right now, we're looking at
a group of trees and it looks like they look
like upside down question marks, like from the base of
it and then it like jets out and from the
perspective of the picture, they're jetting off to the left
and then kind of hooking up and around, and yeah,

(08:28):
very weird. The thing with the snowfall like that makes
sense for maybe like the one that's like closest or
second closest to us where you can see like the
root system is it's like the curve is in the ground.
But there's one listeners, there's one kind of in the
center of the picture where you have probably at least

(08:49):
an eight nine inch diameter trunk, and then it goes
up maybe I don't know from the perspective of the picture,
maybe a foot and then it's just like the sharp
right angle going off to the left right.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
It's really weird. Plus the one that's the closest to us,
like there's like a whole tree, and then the other tree,
it's like two trees like branched off and has this
weird curve on one and the other one's straight.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, so that's the other thing I was going to
say with that one that's closest to us, the snowfall
thing doesn't really make sense for that one, because why
wouldn't both of them be curved like that at that angle.
And it's really weird that they're all curved at the
exact same like facing the same direction.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, that is weird now that it's not like all
of these sorry, very fine. I was gonna say, it's
not like all of these were or play like grew
at the same time either, like they I'm sure they're
different ages and for sure.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, I mean you could tell that from the thickness
of the trunks themselves. I mean, they do vary. But
the thing that I was going to say is for
them to grow like that in that pattern at different times.
It could be a matter of perspective. From the picture
that we're looking at, they might not all be facing

(10:07):
the same way. But from the picture we're looking at,
it looks like they're all jetting off to the left
with that like loop.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's very weird. Also, people say that the trees,
especially near the clearing again like with this weird clearing,
they say that the trees talk to them. Sure they
see them move without any wind a mes.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Are we seeing with all the colors of the wind
here or you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah, maybe some people, but I don't know. That's just
what the locals say, these weird trees. So let's get
into the leg.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, that almost reminds me of there's the that lore
of I want to say, I cannot remember where it's at.
I want to say it's more of like a Norse
away Scandinavia, like northern European thing of Yeah, I can't
remember the name of it, and I think it is anyway,
it's it's a mythological creature that you know, looks like

(11:12):
an elk, but it has like arms hanging down from
its face. I can't remember what it is. And it
lives in the woods, and that's what it. You know,
It mimics the trees to get close to you, you know.
And I know we're not quite in the same geographical
area as that, but you know, you could be looking
at something as crazy as that, right, Yeah, they.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Could still have a creature like them, for sure, because
a lot of people have similar legends. But right, okay,
well that wasn't in the legends for that kind of creature,
but we could get into the other legends. First, people
say they walk into the forest and they just vanish,
you know, disappear, or they emerge later to only find

(11:58):
like a search party that was looking for them, and
they'll be like, oh, I was only gone for like
an hour, and they'll be like, no, it's been like
a week.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
So not only like that. Yeah, not only are we
doing with lost time, we're also dealing with complete and
utter just vanishing.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah. Yeah, there was one story. I guess this is
repeated a lot of places, but like a little girl
she was like five years old, she went missing in
the forest, and then five years later she emerged wearing
the same clothing, and the clothing was clean, but obviously
it was like she grew well, so it was just

(12:35):
like that, but the clothing was fine, not in tatters
or anything. She came back out and she thought no
time had passed at all, like she didn't know the
past five years had happened.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Holy fuck, how terrifying would that be? And the other
thing that's even crazier about this is you talking about
people going missing and search parties happening. To preface the beginning,
we're not looking at a wide waft of an area, right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yeah, it's pretty small, so how can they not be found?
And then they come out later like there's like a
dimension there or another dimension, a real another dimension, not
like the Bradshaw Range. There was another story where a
woman was separated from her friends and she was found
later like dazed, and she thought she was only gone
for a few minutes but had been like hours, and

(13:25):
they were kind of have a search party, and then
she said in her pocket she had a fifteen hundred's
like coin that just appeared with her randomly so maybe
she went back in time.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Maybe that's what it is. Maybe you have these like
interdimensional slips and you can you know, obviously probably not
control it, but you can go through the different fabrics
of different dimensions. And I mean, if time is a
malleable dimension like length heightened width, then why wouldn't you
be able to go forward backwards wherever?

Speaker 1 (14:03):
Yeah, maybe it's a vortex there something.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, that's why it's ale. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah. Yeah. A lot of people say, like footprints in
the snow just like stop once it gets to clearing.
Like again with this clearing, everything's kind of centered around there.
But they do think that the clearing is a portal
to another dimension. Some locals think that. Sure, But there
was a local legend of a shepherd. He said like

(14:30):
he went he found the clearing and went into it
with his two hundred sheep and then they never were
found again, Like he just disappeared and all of his sheep.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Oh okay, let's say along with the shape, like they
just didn't run out, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
And then one local guide said he saw sixty people
in the clearing and he asked what they were doing,
and they said they were trying to open the portal.
So there was a portal lot like witches and stuff going.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Well, that's fair, but yeah, I mean I get that
for that aspect. But man, it's like, I think we've
talked about this before where I think we did it
with the astral projection episode. It's like, I don't want
to fuck with that. Yeah, you know what I mean? Right,
Like I can believe and think whatever I want, but
I don't. I don't know if I really want to
experience that.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Right, Well, sixty people maybe they feel safe. I guess
how do you get sixty people to go do this?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Like? Well, there you go. So one you're convincing too.
If that local legend is true, sixty people ain't shit
compared to two hundred sheep and another guy, Oh, yeah,
you know what I mean. So we can just get
it going. We'll get everybody, lotty dotty, everybody come in
the vortex. You're coming with me?

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Right? Every sale person that ever steps in the clearied
it just eats you or something. I don't know. Yeah.
So there was this is kind of the uh maybe
origin story, a little bit of like the bad vibes
in the forest. But there was a local couple and
the man ended up vanishing into the woods, and the

(15:58):
woman ended up killing herself and she became they call AESHTRAGOI,
which is like a vengeful spirit, and she cursed the
land when she died. So that's kind of the local
origin story.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Yeah, I kind of understand because, I mean, countries like
Romania have been around for significantly longer than you know,
any of the like for instance, the United States, and
you know, people that were living there a long time ago.
The woods were not a safe place because there were
animals that would kill you, you know, the wolves that

(16:34):
will just drag you off, you know. So I get
the aspect of like the warning of not going into
the woods. But with it being you know, the twenty
first century, and we still have people investigating this, Like
it's not just people disappeared fell got eaten by an
animal or whatever anymore, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Right, Yeah, Yeah, I mean there's not a lot of answers.
I guess no one's disappeared on camera or something.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
But yeah, what would I mean, it's kind of like
every time you see and I'm not like a huge
believer in like the ghost stuff or i mean the
ghost TV shows and stuff like that, it's just made
for TV. But at the same time, if you did
have an intelligent, other worldly entity, why would it show

(17:23):
itself to you? Doesn't care, It wouldn't like it wouldn't.
I wouldn't think it would care.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, unless it doesn't want even more people in the clearing,
or like maybe it wants to be left alone.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
It might be, or maybe it just wants, you know,
to surprise people. It doesn't want to be, you know,
stealing on demand. It wants to be like, here you go,
got you now? Weren't expecting this, were you?

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah? I mean maybe, like I said, it wants the
people to disappear, so it doesn't show you the proof.
So people keep going to investigate. And when you don't
have a camera, then it's maybe, well.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Hey, i'll tell you what. Hey, listeners, what's what's crowdfund this?
Sarah and I are going to go there. We're not
going to have any cameras. And if the podcast never
has another episode, you know what happened?

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, that would be crazy. The camp in the clearing
or something. Speaking of camping, so people do camp in
the clearing and everything and like just hang out and stuff.
Not everyone believes in what's going on or whatever. But
there was one time a group of campers who was hiking,
so they set up in the clearing, and then a
couple of them like went out to hike a little bit,

(18:33):
and then they found like a man that was like
disoriented and like stumbling around the trees, and then he
asked how to get to like the city. So they
pointed him to like the path through the clearing and
you just keep going straight till you hit the city, right,
and then he like kind of went off. But then
later they said the other people at their campsite never

(18:53):
saw him go through the clearing where they were set up, right,
I went out looking for him, like they thought he
had fallen or was injured, and they didn't find him
at all.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Well, and walking through a walking through a clear and
even at night, it'd probably be pretty clearly seen, just
a random person walking out through there.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Right, I'd be paying attention. There's a random person person.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Camping out in the middle of a field, and somebody's
walking to hell. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah. So there's another story where a group was walking
through the woods at night and they were like joking
and laughing together about the stories of the forest, and
then a man in the back kind of stopped and
he was mesmerized by this tree. And he said, like
he said, he was hit by a wave of anxiety

(19:43):
suddenly because like he didn't know how long he had
been standing staring at this tree, and he noticed he
was alone. And then he said, like right by his ear,
like he heard a loud scream, like a woman's scream,
like into his ear. So then he ran and he
was able to catch up with his friends, and they
said they didn't hear any scream.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
So I wonder if if any extracurriculars were involved.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, it was at night. They were already laughing and joking.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Well, my thing is, and I'm not trying to discredit
the story of it or anything, but you know, it's
kind of like what I said at the beginning. Man,
you're you're at a You're in a place that's known
to be spooky. You're if you're and like you said,
if you if you go in there with that you
know mindset, that's probably what's gonna end up happening. Now,

(20:36):
as far as the lost time, however long that person
stood there and the scream, I mean very well could
have happened.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
But yeah, I mean, it also seems like because they
were joking about the stories, so it seems like they
don't believe in it.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Or it maybe maybe maybe the forest was just like hey,
I'm gonna show you guys, but not all of you,
just you because you're laughing. Well you're laughing a little
too hard, asshole. I'm gonna show you what's right.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I'm real damn it. Yeah. Maybe okay, one more like
story till we get to other stuff. There was a
guy who's part of a local nonprofit group and that
they helped maintain the forest, so you know, kind of
like a park ranger, I guess, right. So he told
a story that he had heard about a group that

(21:26):
went camping, and he said they heard footsteps around their
tent at night and they thought it was a deer.
So they opened the tent to see and there was
nothing there and they didn't hear anything like leave or anything.
So then they just you know, went back to sleep,
and like once they got settled in again, there were
like the footsteps again, but like louder, so then they

(21:48):
looked again, Yeah, and then they still didn't see anything.
So this happened, you know, a couple times, like three
or four times, and they said, like the next time
it happened some and said it was like a horse
because it was so like hoaded so close, like how yeah,
and like they never saw anything and they did not
sleep that night.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Well I can't, they said. I can't blame them for
not wanting to sleep.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Man said it seemed like something was toying with them.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
I was just about to say that. It sounds like
it was more of every time you're going to come
look for me, I'm just going to stop and then
next thing, you know, when I think you're settled and
you're you're feeling good, then I'm gonna fuck with you
some more. Oh yeah, And I've heard stories about that
with spirits and entities and stuff like that. Like it's

(22:41):
more of a game that it seems like is being
played than anything.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Yeah, we're entertainment for right.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Well, I mean if if if time is irrelevant and
that's sort of a you know, arc of their reality,
then I mean what difference is I'm just gonna go
mess with some people. I know I would, right.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it could be fun. I mean
it could be like fairies. They're known to like mess
with people.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
That's true, and you're in the right area of the
world for that sort of folklore, right.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
So there are like apparitions and like paranormal stories as well.
They say these apparitions take the form of like plants, animals,
or humans, but like most of the time it gives
away that it's like not real because like the animals
will be animals that aren't in that part of the world,
or like the plants won't be native to that forest,

(23:36):
or like the person will be a dead loved one
or someone who lives in a different country.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
Interesting that so we're seeing like, you know, you're camping
out in the middle of the of the sphere in
the little clearing, and next thing you know, a goddamn
fucking elephant comes through, and it's like, hey, I think
that's the fucking spirit. That's the spirit of the forest man.
There's no elephants here.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Is Is that kind of like a mimic or something?

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Or Yeah, it kind of gives me like the the
mimic or like the Doppelganger sort of vibe where it's
not obviously not like exactly like the Doppelganger thing, because
you're not seeing a mirror image of yourself. But yeah,
definitely something to maybe to try to make you feel
at ease with it, but not knowing exactly how to
make you feel it ease with it. So it's kind

(24:28):
of getting whatever it thinks, you know, because I don't
know why. I just pictured like a fucking palm tree
just out of nowhere and just kind of like that's
not right, right.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, Oh my god, that'd be kind of a fun
gameh Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Hey, once again, Sarah, We're gonna go. Maybe not today,
maybe not tomorrow, but man, we're gonna go, and we're
gonna document. Well, no, we're not gonna document because I
we document, nothing will happen. But I'm looking forward to
some potrees and some fucking elephants.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
I mean, it's not necessarily true that nothing will happen
if you document.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Well, that's true. We get to that, I think we
would get the most bang for our buck. Yeah, and
then we can ask we just have stories exactly, we
just have to add to the hearsay.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, and we could write a book.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Hey, I was about to say, all I got to
do is take a picture of a fucking TV in
a window, and I can write a book about it.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah. People often also see people like walking in the
trees and then they vanish, like you know when you
walk behind a tree and then you're gone. Or they'll
see like parts of a person, like just the torso
or just a face like floating.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah fuck that Jesus, that'd be scary, dude. If I like, okay,
seeing anything floating would be terrifying. But if I saw
no shit, just a torso, I would be way more terrified.
I would rather see I would rather see your face.
Just show me your face, like a leg Yeah, Like
I don't want to see body parts. I'd rather just

(25:56):
see the face.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, Yeah, that would be scared. Also, often there's lights
like at ground level that people see, like in the woods,
and then it'll move into the sky or like the
tree line, and investigators have used like heat cameras then
and they don't ever see anything on the heat signature,
even though they're catching this light on the camera.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
And the local legend, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
I can validate that shit.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Yeah, and well maybe it's the same thing, but you
know Romanian version. But yeah, the local legend says that
these lights are from the early settlers who were massacred.
That's what they're thinking. And of course there's like shadow people.
Everyone sees these like just black silhouettes, I guess, or

(26:46):
like shadow men.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, so here's the thing I and I really really
really want to believe it with like the shadow people,
and I mean, I guess I can kind of buy
into it a little bit with may be people that
suffer from night terrors something like that. But man, when
you're in the woods at night, it's it's, you know,

(27:09):
a very foreign environment to you. If you're already scared,
I think your mind is just fucking with you a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
People will see it during the day too, though, like
all these things.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
No, no, I know. But the thing with the shadow
it is like you always hear about it, like I
just saw it out of the corner of my eye.
It's like, well, then you didn't really see it, you know.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
What I mean.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
It's always out of the corner of your eye. It
could have been a bird flying by, really passed or something, right.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
You know. It's the same people that see black bears
stand up on their hind legs and say Bigfoot. It's like, yeah,
you're freaking the fuck out because you're in the woods
and here's some wild crashing then you see a seven
foot thay or not seven foot, they're not that big,
but you know, you see a bear walking on its
hind legs like they do, Yeah, fucking bigfoot.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah, that would be scary. There's also an old woman
apparition that's mentioned a lot. A TV crew I guess
saw it. They didn't catch it on camera. They were
driving in their van at night on the forest roads
and they had become lost, and then suddenly the driver
like slammed on the brakes and he said he hit
a woman. And everyone was like, what are you talking about, Like,

(28:15):
we didn't see anything, there was no impact that they felt,
but like he was convinced that he just ran over
this woman. And so they got out and looked around
and there was no impact on the van, no evidence
of anything. They didn't find anyone within like one kilometer
of the van. Oh well, it's just a story.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
No sure. But see this is a thing too. I'm
going to dive a little into the woo right now.
If you hear these stories about like individuals experiencing just
things like they're in a group and it's just one individual,
And I honestly think those individuals are probably more susceptible

(28:58):
to different things as far as outside of the realm
of reality that we currently live in, And it very
well could be that, you know, you're just seeing these
like glimpses of things.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Yeah, you drank out a little bit, right.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Well, yeah, because I mean, if you're driving in the
woods in the middle of the night and you see
a fucking person standing the road, I don't care where
you're at. I could be driving down my street in
my neighborhood and if I see somebody stand in the
middle of the road at night, I'm probably gonna be
a little freaked out, right just lot. Yeah, let alone
in the middle of the fucking woods in Romania where
I know there's a haunted fucking circle right down the road.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, and they're lost, so right, Yeah. There's also a
local farmer stuff on. So he was actually in one
of the I think his destination truth went one of
them went. I don't remember exactly who, I guess, but
they interviewed him and he said, one night, him and
his crew went to the forest to cut some wood.
I don't know why they did this at night though,

(29:55):
but they needed it for their work, and they were
cutting the wood and then the chainsaw just stopped wor
like suddenly right out of gas. Well, then they heard
something and they thought it was someone like playing tricks
on them, and then they saw movement and saw a
shadow like a very small human figure, and the shadow
was moving from like one tree to another to try

(30:17):
and like it seemed like you know where you hide
behind it and like peek out, like they're spying on them.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I got it, I went, I was. My mind went
back to the you know, it'll mimic different trees and animals,
and I'm picturing this. It got a fucking orangutang just
going from tree to tree coming up on these dudes.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
I was on the ground like like redded.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
That's just to be that where my mind went.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
And then they also said, like all of them, they
said they felt like they couldn't move from that spot,
like they were paralyzed to that spot, and like they
couldn't move until like four am. He said, I don't
know what time they went out there, but they were
like stuck there till four am. And then he said,
like once four am hit, like they felt like they
could move again, and the chainsaw started working again like

(31:08):
right away, and they could do their work after that.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Fuck that, I'm not doing shit. I'm going home.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
They did their work, I guess.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I don't know how many people.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Went with him, but hey, more power to those gentlemen. Yeah,
you know if I'm staying. Look, first of all, talk
about being annoyed. Like let's say, let's say even just
if they were out super late and you know, let's
say it was one o'clock in the morning. This fucking
forest made me stand still for three hours. I'm going
home and going to bed. Second. Yeah, if the forest

(31:41):
and I see little shadows of you know, orangutangs swinging
through the trees or whatever, running across doing whatever, I'm
not gonna stay and do my work. I'm gonna be
like cool, I can move now. Time to fucking go.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
R Yeah, time to go. Well, I guess since it
didn't like harm them or anything, I mean whatever.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
You know, I don't really care about if it harmed
me or not. I'm not dealing I'm not dealing with that.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
I mean, I'm not going out there for a m.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
That's yeah, solid decision or even And.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
I've been like going out in our like our parents
the woods at night. I know, it used to as
like a kid, but then one day, I don't know,
I went out there as a teenager and I felt
creeped out. I was like, I'm not going out here again,
like good night or whatever.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, I mean I remember doing that all the time too,
And there there were a few times where like you
had that uneasy feeling, but I mean I always chalk
that up to just you know, active imagination and started.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah. Right, but okay, so there's been UFO sidings as well,
could get into those. Civilians often report UFO sidings, like
over the forest just within that one square mile. For
decades they've did this. The most notable one was a

(32:59):
military harry technician. On August sixteenth, nineteen sixty eight. His
name was Emil Barney, and his girlfriend and two friends
went out. It was a sunny day. They went to
the clearing to have a picnic. Yeah, so he walked
away to collect wood and then suddenly his girlfriend like

(33:21):
shouted at him to like return because they were seeing something.
And then when he came back, they were staring at
the sky and above them was like a metallic shaped
UFO and he took he took photos and then yeah,
we can I can share the photo.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
And I'm excited I got that fucking pictures.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Well yeah, yeah, I wanted to make sure I included
pictures this time. So this is the photo he took
of the UFO and in the clearing. So I mean
it's black and white and you could see like kind
of the grass and then the trees and then in
the sky. I know it it kind of looks like
a top hat maybe to me, I don't know, what

(34:02):
do you think?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I think it looks like the film's fucked up, but
I think I don't. I don't know that for sure.
This is I'm just giving you my honest opinion. Now listen,
I'm not like a bubble, yeah, or or or I

(34:24):
don't know, like it just looks like some the film
got damaged a little bit. To me. Now, that could
be wrong because I have I have seen so Sarah preface,
this is better than Bradshaw. Okay, So I'm not I'm
not giving me too much shit, I promise, but I
have seen other things that do kind of match that

(34:47):
characteristic because it almost looks like a bubble, and some
UFOs have reporting have been told like it's like there's
like an outward like ring or aura around the UFO.
And I mean that could be what you're photographing. If

(35:10):
we're going to go off of like Bobozar's account of
how they like actually propel these craft as they bend gravity,
you would see that sort of deflection and light and
in the space around it, you know, because you're bending
the gravity around the craft, not the craft isn't like
physically moving the you know. Right, Yeah, I'm too ignorant

(35:33):
to talk all about that. So that that could very
well be what we're looking at right now, because it
does look like like if you look out into like
they have pictures of like black holes and stuff where
you see this like weird aura from all the light
that's being bent because of the massive gravity. I mean,
it could be something like that. But my gut is

(35:57):
telling me, my rational mind is telling me that that
is just a little bit of a damage on the film.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Okay, Well, I don't know. There were witnesses, but they
also said it looked just or similar to this UFO.
That is another picture that was this was a couple
of years earlier in Santa Ana, California, and it's like
hat shaped.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I see. So this is like like the top of
it is facing us. Mae, right, you know what I mean.
Maybe so listeners are looking at something that looks kind
of like a very very small top hat. And the
first picture that Sarah Sarah showed that it looks like
it's it's like the top of the top hat is

(36:42):
facing us. That's kind of what it looks like, like
it's banking almost you know, I'm kind of right, Okay, Well,
I mean I don't know with some context here that
that makes a little bit more sense, you know what
I mean, because I can I can see like the
defined edges of the top of that structure and the
outer ring of it, right, you know, and they look

(37:06):
relatively similar.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Yeah, and it was only a couple years apart, obviously,
one in Romania, one in California. So he said, after
he took these photos, it started to flash brightly and
like kind of twist in the air, and then it
shot off into the distance like super quick.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Yeah. Well, and if we're if we're kind of entertaining
that idea, I mean, that would be a pretty good
characteristics of that bending the space around you. You know,
you would see these weird fluctuations of light and as
far as speed is concerned. Like I said, the craft
itself isn't technically moving, it's moving the space around it.

(37:46):
With that with it's like slipping forward, So you're not
really confined by any sort of drag, any sort of
you know, elemental changes such as the medium you're flying
through or going through. So I mean, I can, I can,
I can get down with that one, Sarah, It's not
as bad as the TV on the on the window.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, yeah, that was pretty bad. So the photo and
the original negatives were analyzed and they said it seemed genuine.
At the time, lots of people for some reason said
it looked like a weather balloon, and I don't think
so at all. That's just normal, like it's a weather balloon.
Like no, maybe, But also people are saying like he

(38:28):
made it up. But he was a military technician, so
it's like why would he make it up, especially in
the nineteen nineteen sixty eight right, And that was during
the communist regime. So he said he was later interrogated
by some strange individuals about the photographs, and then he
was taken yeah, I guess. And then he was taken

(38:50):
to the central offices of the Communist Party and they
questioned him, and then they took the photos away from him,
so he didn't ever get them back, and then he
lost his job. M like, they fired him from the military.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Interesting well, and during that time, I mean, if you
think about, you know, that time period of like the
Roswell incident and stuff like that, if we truly did
have a retrieved foreign alien spacecraft, everybody would be trying
to reverse engineer it. That's just that's just what we do.

(39:25):
And the fact that at that time too, the United
States and Soviet Union were you know, neck and neck
trying to get you know, the next big thing going.
Wouldn't be uncommon for any of any country to have
that sort of technology, especially in both geographical areas. Like
we said, California was the one where it was kind
of more on the plane you got more of a
side view of it, and then the one in Romania

(39:47):
with the top view of it. I mean, it wouldn't
be uncommon, I wouldn't think.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
So that's kind of the main UFO story they have.
So I'm going to talk a little bit about the rotunda,
which I guess I shouldn't have stopped sharing my screen
because I took a screenshot like you were saying, from
the uh, like Google Maps, that's what looks like, Like
that's just a screenshot from Google Maps, and you can
see it's not perfectly round though a lot of people

(40:17):
said it was a perfect circle. No, obviously it's not
from maybe it used to be, well, but now it's
like that shape, so it's really like a blob.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Yeah, listeners, if you're if you're watching, if you're listening
to this, pretty much what you can see is if
we were orientated this picture like north south east west, Like,
let's just assume that the top of the page is north,
so on the south end you have a road that
kind of jets up over into the east. And yeah,
the best way I could describe this would be like

(40:50):
a rounded almost rectangle, like an oblong rounded rectangle is
kind of what it looks like.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Yeah, that's a good a noun because you do kind
of perfect circles.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
No, definitely not. You have some definite, sharp, like almost
ninety degree angles off to like the northwest side of it.
Once again, I'm assuming I'm just orientating this to kind
of give like a somewhat of a visual or northeast
of it. I'm sorry. And then when you start going west,
it starts rounding off a bit, right.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah, but it's still very weird. I mean that's yeah,
for sure, pretty big clearing. Yeah, so, like I said,
it's called the Rotunda. A lot of people camp there though,
so I guess it can't be that weird maybe, but
they people say that well, yeah, locals say that this
clearing has remained unchanged for four hundred and fifty years apparently.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Well, I mean in the span of time that's really
not that much time, you know, for natural things to happen.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
You'd think it would erode more or something though, maybe
or like grow or shrink. I don't know, but just
grass grows and a lot of the grass is kind
of dead or very short. But scientists have done a
lot of soil analysis on the clearing and the forests

(42:15):
like around it, and they don't see any difference between
the soil, so it's like things should be growing, so
they're not really sure what's going on.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Because that was the only thing. Like I've definitely partaken
in the spooky side of the documentaries when it comes
to this, but I've never really paid attention to any
actual scientific stuff. So that's interesting that the soil is
like the composition isn't different at all compared to the
other area. That'd be like the first thing I would

(42:44):
expect is there's like something I don't know, maybe something
underground killing the vegetation or whatever it could possibly be.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah, I don't know. They don't. They haven't found any
differences so far. Also, they like I said, the trees
kind of grow warped in a naturally, but people, I
guess it gets worse the closer you get to the clearing,
so it is kind of like weird as well. Maybe
something like kind of impacted that area or something.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, yeah, that could be. That could be true. Well,
my question would be, like I've never done the research
on it. Are there trees in other areas of like
that part of Romania that grow that way or is
it just in that area?

Speaker 1 (43:30):
I was trying to find that. I am not sure
everything I found about the trees warped like that. It said,
like the hoay about you forest interesting? Okay, I guess
I don't. I don't know if that's because it's so popular,
but I don't think that it happens. Because I looked
up what kind of trees are there and it's like
normal trees like beech and older, like it was, trees

(43:53):
that grow a lot of places and they don't get
warped like that elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
So yeah, I mean an impact would kind of make
sense as far as why the I mean, like a
small asteroid with I mean, I don't know, it wouldn't
be radioactive because I would be able, you'd be able
to detect that, right, But the treeses thing is what
kind of gets me, you know, the clearing. I mean,
it could be some weird natural phenomena we don't quite understand,

(44:19):
and maybe that's what's making the trees do that weird
upside down question mark looking thing.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Right. Yeah, if it's in that soil and the clearing
it's kind of seeping out, right, it would make sense
all the trees closer to it is warped. We just
don't know why yet. But so this was in the
Expedition X episode, which I'll talk a little bit more
about later. But they did ground penetrating radar for the

(44:46):
first time there and this was in twenty twenty four.
Nice or the episode came out in twenty twenty four,
I guess, I don't know. Yeah, but they found evenly
spaced underground cavities in the clearing, so they're thinking it's
an unmarked graveyard maybe where the massacre happened.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah, or maybe yeah, I mean so that was my
first thought with you talked about the massacre that happened,
you know, back in when when was the timeframe did
you say that that supposedly happened.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
They just said ancient. I'm not really.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Sure, so we're talking. Yeah, so at that time, people probably,
like especially somebody that just massacred a group of people,
they don't really give a shit if they put them
in individual graves. So they probably just carved out a
bunch of mass graves or just threw them in there.
I mean, that'd be the most effective way to do it.
I mean, even the people of that area. It might

(45:42):
have been too time consuming to do each individual grave,
so a mass grave might have just been the way
to do it.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah, yeah, that might make sense. Also on the episode,
I don't know if this is what's production, you know,
but the female host, because the male host was with
the guy doing the ground penetration radar, and then the
female host went to a local witch to talk about
like the legends and everything and apparently that you know,
that was happy at the same time, but you know,

(46:10):
the way it was filmed, who knows if they.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Were right right.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Right, But the witch claimed that the force was cursed
and has to be cleansed by finding and destroying the
lost bodies. So it was like weird that they maybe
discovered a graveyard. Hmmm, I wonder I cann't dig up
or anything.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Well, yeah, I mean there's always that weird. That's the
only thing I don't like about things. You know, what's
that one island where supposedly there's treasure Oka Island? Yeah? Yeah,
Oka Island. It's one of those things where it's like, dude,
if this, if some random dude could just start digging
a hole, I don't want to hear all this shit
about like, oh it's getting walker branch you can't dig.
Oh how about your forest? You can't do it. It's like, dude,

(46:56):
why you know there's never a good answer for that,
especially yeah, if we're doing some scientific like I'm not
saying some random dude just come in with an excavator,
do it scientifically figure out like Okay, obviously through the
light ar that we see or the ground penetrating radar
whatever they use. You can see that there are caverns.
Why would you not do something to maybe not maybe

(47:19):
not escavate the whole thing, but see what's that at.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Least see one of them, right, I mean the guy
that helped him, like the local They did say like
he was gonna do the whole clearing and see and
map it out kind of, but he would need like,
you know, weeks to do it and stuff. So they
didn't have an update on that. I'm not sure if
there they are actively like.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Looking at that, like somebody is.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Yeah, I hope, so maybe they'll be an update later.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I'm here for updates.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah. So there have been a couple of scientists that
have been studying it. So first was Alexander Sift. So
he was a photographer and a scientists and he studied
the forest from the sixties to the nineties. He made
it his life's work. And he said because the first
time he went into the forest, he like heard a
teeth chattering sound, and then later he was nauseous, and

(48:12):
then he said he saw shadow men and heard voices
of children. So then this like just captivated his mind
and he had to investigate the forest.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
I think that would be captivating my mind. I'd be
getting the fuck out of there, chattering.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
I don't know, fuck that right, Yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Know you know what this sounds like. Sounds like the
next thirty years are going to be awesome.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Right, I mean, yeah, he died in like the nineties,
like that was his life where his life's work. He
did try to capture, like shadows and photographs. I don't
know how many he caught, but he often caught strange
lights on camera which weren't visible with the naked eye.
So I have one picture of that. I just like
shy screened so much. Okay, this was the picture. I mean,

(48:56):
Kyler's like a comet though, but very close to the earth.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I guess, yeah that I don't I don't know about Yeah,
I get what you're saying. The thing the only thing
that kind of freaks me out, and I mean, obviously
we don't know anything that's around the surrounding area. It
almost looks like a lens flair, but it looks like
a wide shot too, and that right, I would think,
I mean I'm no photographer or anything, but I would
think a lens flair that large and maybe it came

(49:23):
from the moon or sun depending on what time of day. Maybe, yeah,
that's what it kind of looks like. But usually lens
flayers you have like more of a star pattern if
I remember correctly. And this only having the two jets
shooting out from the bottom and the top right kind
of looks weird. So listeners, if you're listening to this

(49:45):
on you know, any streaming, really were looking at like
it pretty much looks like a landscape shot of like
a woodline, and then there's almost this like large tear
drop light in the s with two arms jetting off
to the left and right.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
So yeah, it's very weird.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
I mean, he took a lot of other photos, but
this was like one of the more popular ones.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Well yeah, I mean it looks wild, so I get
why he would be.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Yeah. And then after his death, someone broke into his
home and stole the forest research and only that nothing
else was touched.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Fucking men in black that's who did it.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah, right, very weird, So I don't know he was
onto something.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Yeah, Tommy Lee Jones and Will Smith got in there
and got all his shit.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Yeah. And then the other scientist is Adrian Petrut, which
you've probably seen him on like you know, History channel
or something. I guess I should I guess I shouldn't
have stopped. I'll just share a photo of him really fast,
because you definitely would notice him, like recognize him. Yeah,
I mean, listeners, just look up his name, you'll find him.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
He looks like he looks like the quote unquote Aliens
meme looks like his dad. That's that's the best way
to explain it.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Yeah, right, he kind of looks like you know that
toy Stowly sidetrack but where I had like the uh,
the shavings in it, like the iron shavings and you
drove it around and put the afro and like that's
when he looks like that guy.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
That's spot on, Yeah, spot on. And you know you
took a little off the top and gave him mustache,
you know, just because you were feeling fantasic.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Yeah. Right. So he is a chemist. He's still alive
as far as I could find. He's also the president
of the Romanian Parapsychology Society. But he collaborated with Sift,
so he was there a lot with Sifts, like when
he took the photos of the strange lights and stuff.
So he's kind of a witness to say, yeah, we

(51:54):
couldn't see this some person, but it showed up on
the photos or whatever, and like, yeah, he is the expert. Now,
anytime you ask about it, it's you're gonna probably be
talking to him, because you know he's been investigating it
the longest and he's still alive. But he's the one.
He said in nineteen seventy five, he found ruins of
like an old building. This is kind of the only

(52:16):
place I saw, like the story of ruins. But he
said they took a bunch of photographs, like him and
his team, and then like something was stuck in his
head about him, so like the next day or something
like whenever he returned next he went straight to look
at these ruins again and they were gone and no
one in the group could find them, even though again

(52:36):
it's like a small.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Area, so multiple people saw these.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Yeah, him and his like investigative team, and he said
all the photos they took were blank after they got
them developed. I don't know, that's what he says. Listen,
he is considered an expert, but.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Well, yeah, so is the fucking alien guy with the
crazy You're on the History Channel.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
Right, that's true.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
I'm not what hey, I'm all I'm saying is I
was so there with you until you said all the
pictures were blank. I know, you know.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Okay, Well you'll like this. He says that he believes
science can explain what's going on. We just don't know
the answer yet. Oh, but he thinks science will explain it.
Like it's not like I don't know, he said, maybe infrasound.
We talked about that before.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Yeah, I mean I've heard that theory there too, that
the way that the wind hits those trees in the
weird like curve of them, that it does cause weird
subfrequencies that we can't hear but will make us uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Or he says unknown radiation. But you know, they've taken
readings everywhere and there hasn't been any radiation indicated.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
But yeah, and I mean even if it was something foreign,
it would still give off something we could measure, Like
if it was like some crazy dense element that we
don't have here on Earth that crashed from outer space,
you would still be able to measure some radiation level
from it, you know.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah, So there have been media investigations, Like I said,
so I'm going to talk about Destination Truth and Expedition X.
I think Ghost Adventures went to maybe or one of
the ghost shows.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah, I think they did.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Yeah, but Destination Truth was in two thousand and nine.
It's season three, episode one. But they said, well, they
also did the soil samples and those came back normal
or whatever. And then they said when they were in
the clearing they had massive like EMF spikes that they
weren't anywhere else in the forest. And then they said

(54:49):
their flare cameras stopped recording even though it still had power,
like it said it still had power, but it wasn't
showing up the image. And they had people sit in
the clearing like one by one to like kind of records.
They had a team recording like in the tree line,
and then someone sat in the clearing to kind of
like talk or whatever, and they caught on camera these

(55:09):
lights that were moving above the host's like left shoulder.
So but he couldn't see anything, like he looked around
and he tried to see anything, and he also had
the flear and it didn't show up, but it showed
up on like the monitoring camera. Yeah, how I didn't
take a picture of that though, But but if you
want to watch it, not a sponsor. And then this

(55:31):
is was crazy the cameraman. So the second person to
go in there is the cameraman, and he doesn't believe
in any of this stuff. He just you know, it
does his job. He's the cameraman whatever. And he sits
down cross legged, and he said, he starts hearing women
like talking faintly around him, and then suddenly, like on camera,
he's like thrown backwards from his seated position, like from

(55:55):
like his right shoulder, like his arm, his right arm
comes up and is like flown backwards, and then he's
flown backwards in like an instant. So they got that
on camera. But and he was in a like seated,
cross legged position, so maybe be hard to fake that.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Yeah, i'd have to. I'd have to see it. I'm
gonna I'm gonna look at ye listeners when you see
the short on uh whatever wonderful social media platform. I'll
probably have a video of that so we can we
can talk about it.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Yeah, I was going to have screen recording it, but
I couldn't find it for me. Well, I mean I
watched the episode on my TV. I didn't take a video.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Well right right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
And then he said he felt itchy. So they had
the medics come and they like rolled up because he
had like his long sleeve jacket on, so they rolled
up the sleeve and he had like these giant like
scratch marks on his arm. I had been lifted up.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Ah. I was gonna say, maybe the fucking plants the
entity turned into poison ivy and it's not you know,
capable of doing that in that area, but you know,
I don't know, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
I don't know. And he said he had felt like
the wind like came from above and like hit him.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Well, and to be fair, it really sounds like a
lot of the investigations that I've like watched on the
Joya Bacu for us, there's always been like one person
in particular that gets most of the weirdness. So, like
we kind of talked about earlier, I think I think
there is something to that place, and I think people

(57:35):
that are more susceptible to that are the ones that
are getting it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Yeah, And so the medic like came and checked him out,
and then right after that the medic vomited suddenly.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Well, I mean maybe the scratches were deep and he
doesn't like blood.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
Well well, I don't know, because they say you feel
nonxious whatever. They also caught an EVP I guess of
a woman screaming and some giggling, but you know it,
it was very hard to tell what was going on.
I don't know, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Yeah, I've never been EVPs.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Unless it's like super clear, I guess.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
But yeah, but even then it's like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
And they also had cameras, you know, set up in
the general area to run like throughout the time, and
they caught like a light in the forest as well,
like a it looked like a fire. I guess that
was just like kind of floating there in the middle.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Okay, so kind of like flickering and but moving through
the woodline.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Yeah, I mean it was this still photo okay, Okay.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
So then the Expedition X I guess, the same host
from Destination Truth he kind of sent these people to go.
I don't know if he was like kind of hosting
but not traveling as much or whatever, because this was
in twenty twenty four, so like they he had a
team go investigate again with like new equipment since it
had been so long, and they repeated the solo experiment

(59:05):
with a woman in the clearing and she saw, well,
she kept seeing like the cameras moving and stuff, but
they couldn't catch that. But the camera caught this like
thing moving. I'm gonna share my screen for the last
time because this is on YouTube so it's free if
i'll will link it. But where's my window? Here we go, okay,

(59:29):
so I don't know if you can already kind of
see there's something like where that opening in the floor
the tree line is. They'll circle it though too.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
In the center.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
I like, here, she's sitting in the center. They have
all the cameras around and stuff. But then while she's
like kind of talking and freaking out about this camera moving,
then they catch like this like moving, oh, I say,

(01:00:03):
and then she well, then they look at her. I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Yeah, there was. There was definitely a large mass that
moved from yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
And it was kind of shaky, yeah, like glitchy. I
guess it wasn't smooth, Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yeah. Let's let's take a look at that. I got
it zoomed in on my end too. Let me let
me see what we got. Yeah, Okay, so I definitely,
definitely definitely saw legs move for the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Most plated section, yeah, I wonder why.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Yeah yeah, but but the top part was like weird,
So I definitely saw like legs for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Like when you look at it, like, like, listeners, I know,
this is fantastic podcasting right here, So head over to
YouTube and check out the all. The link is the
description and the link for the video. Yeah, but no,
like you look at it, it looks like a like
just a mass. It doesn't look like anything. But then
when it moves, it kind of like solidifies a little

(01:01:14):
bit into something like a form, and you can definitely
see like two legs for sure. Right, yeah, when it
starts to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Move, well, I feel like the torso was kind of
moving too.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Yeah, I was just really focused on on the bottom half.
That's yeah, let's watch one more time, listeners, forgive.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Us one more time. Yeah, if you want to watch
it with us, you have to go to three minutes
and forty three seconds on the video. Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Okay, yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Yeah, it's like it's skipping. Yeah, the like it's like jerking.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
For still, it's still it's still rendering you know, yeah,
it's coming. It's coming into the dimension, but it's it's
not fully there yet.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Yeah, so like that was the big thing that they
call on camera, and I mean they did the ground
penetrating radar and all that stuff too, so but yeah,
that's kind of what I have. There are more epidence
than Bradshaw had so or whatever, well and more compelling.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
It to be fair, And I don't want to you know,
poke too much fun, but I think Bradshaw was literally
a grift. This place has been documented by hundreds, if
not thousands of people, you know over like you said,
Hell yeah, dudes working on it just by themselves for

(01:02:35):
thirty plus years. So I'm more inclined to kind of
dive into the weirdness of you know this, opposed to
a thing like Bradshaw, where there's only like two people
kind of really pushing this right. Yeah, so it it
might not all be real, but I feel like there's

(01:02:57):
something to it. I definitely think it's probably some thing
like kind of like you said, like a nexus or
a vortex or some some sort of almost like a
gateway where energy can pass through, whether it's passing into
our dimension or vice versa. That's that's really what I
feel like it is. And I mean, I know I

(01:03:18):
probably sound like a broken record, but you know, if
we if we were seeing higher dimensional things come out
of there, we wouldn't really know what it means. We
wouldn't understand it. You'd see something like like and to
play that, yeah, well, and to play Devil's Advocate, like
the video we just watched. They're using Fleer cameras. Those
sometimes do get a little funky, especially when you zoom in.

(01:03:39):
You know, they're not as clear as you would think
they would be. That could be a product of the
frame rate, that could be a product of the actual
flea itself. I mean, there's a lot of factors that
could happen with that. But yeah, that's not the only
weird thing that's happened there, and that's not the only
experience people have had. Like if it was a handful
of people and it was the same full of people

(01:04:00):
saying the same shit, I'd probably be like, this is
probably bullshit. You know, we took pictures, but there's no
the film is destroyed, like okay, it's blank. Yeah, that
sort of thing I'm not really here for. But there
are other, like well documented things and I mean, I
know it's all part of TV, but why would you

(01:04:20):
waste like that has to be so much money for
a production crew to go and shoot, and there have
been so many things done on that place, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
I think there's something to it, for sure. It's weird.
I want to go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Yeah, hey, listeners, uh, if you're listening to this way
in the future, we might have already been. But as
of what is today prol twenty second, twenty twenty two
or twenty two, fuck twenty five, twenty five actually you
know what, I'm going to cut that part out, listeners.
As far as twenty twenty five, we have not been there.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Yeah, yeah, maybe in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I mean, yeah, I would love to go. I truly would.
I think it'd be pretty crazy. I don't think I'm
going to be camping in the in the center.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
But right well maybe during the day, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Yeah, during the day I would have no issue like
being there, and even at night I would have no
issue being there. I'm not fucking sleeping there though.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Yeah, we're just sitting in your tent all night and
listen our pass. Yeah. Yeah, I don't really want to
camp through either. I don't know. I'm afraid to see something,
but I want to ghost.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
Well, you know what will probably be like you kind
of talked about with the astral projection. You got all
the belief and I've got all the abilities, so you
probably wouldn't see ship, and I'd just be sitting there
fucking screaming my fucking head off, losing time and getting
mesmerized by fucking poison ivy plants and fucking elephants or
whatever the hell's there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Right, Well, it's gonna I'll be there. Then I can
grab you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
Yeah, you can be You could be my anchor as
I'm tripping the right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Yeah, I think I'm a dampener, so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Hey, yeah, I might need it, keep you safe, might
need it. All right, Well, listeners, that's going to wrap
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Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Remember just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not watching.
See you next time. On the paranoid perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
I think to.

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