May 26, 2025 • 55 mins
In this chilling episode of The Paranoid Perspective, we journey to the remote and abandoned village of Portlock, Alaska—a place where legends speak of a murderous creature lurking in the wilderness. Once a thriving cannery town, Portlock was mysteriously deserted in the 1950s after decades of unexplained deaths, disappearances, and terrifying encounters. Was it a Bigfoot-like cryptid known as the Nantinaq? Something even more sinister? Or was there a more human explanation hiding beneath the surface? We dig into eyewitness accounts, chilling folklore, and historical clues to uncover what really drove an entire town to vanish into the Alaskan wilderness.
Extra Intel:
https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/alaska/this-abandoned-ghost-town-is-downright-bone-chilling-ak/
Abandoned: The History and Horror of Port Chatham, Alaska by Larry Baxter
https://www.homernews.com/life/new-book-looks-at-legend-of-alaskas-nantiinaq-or-giant-hairy-thing/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWBALzplGU
https://alaskamagazine.com/authentic-alaska/somethings-afoot-in-port-chatham-century-old-rumors-persist-of-a-terror-in-the-mountains/
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Abandoned: The History and Horror of Port Chatham, Alaska by Larry Baxter
https://www.homernews.com/life/new-book-looks-at-legend-of-alaskas-nantiinaq-or-giant-hairy-thing/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BWBALzplGU
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(01:18):
The Paranoid Perspective.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I am Jake and I'm Sarah.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You know, Sarah, we haven't really talked about the YETTI
or the Bigfoot or the Abominable Snowman, like actually talked
about it. I mean there's been a few episodes, like
I know, the Deal off Pass, we kind of touched
on it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
But yeah, and the Bradford are not Bradford Bradshaw.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Hey, that's not the same thing. That's big girl. Okay,
and remember everybody likes a big girl. Possibly shirt's coming
soon on that listeners anyway, but no, okay, So Sarah,
what are we getting into today?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Today we're going to talk about port Lock, Alaska, which
is also Port Chatham. I think most people say port Lock,
but it was a thriving village on the southern tip
of the Kenai Peninsula. It was yeah, it's yeah, it's
no longer there just ruins. Yeah, there were some mysterious
(02:15):
murders and disappearances and then they abandoned it. Yeah, in
nineteen fifty they abandoned it. So yeah, I don't know
if do you want to see a map or yeah?
I mean we can, we can, we can share, Yeah
I could. Yeah, Yeah, I guess we'll see if it works.
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Select a window this one right, wow, Okay, here we go. Yeah,
is it big enough?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Op?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I lost my star though that's manual. Here's where port
Lock is down there, so it's like the very very
southern tip and it's not I mean there's no road.
That's why would there be roads now because nothing's there.
But it's very remote and sad abandoned. But right on
(03:08):
the water.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, sad and abandoned. But lakefront property or waterfront property,
you know.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Right, Yeah, who wouldn't like that? Well, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Think people don't understand. There's been a handful of times
that I've actually flown over Alaska and it's crazy how
expansive that wilderness is. I don't think, especially living in
the United States, I don't think we like completely understand
like that kind of wilderness, Like it is so massive
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and there's no like when we think of civilization. Yes,
there are massive cities there, but throughout the most of
the state it's wilderness, mountainous wilderness.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah right, I mean this is just part of the
that's something state or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I can stop sharing,
I guess since there's not much to look at and
we have listeners, we didn't describe much listeners, but yeah,
the Kenai Peninsula, it is like a relatively small area
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like in Alaska terms, but there's a lot of stuff
like crammed into that area. Like there's mountain rangers, glaciers,
ice fields, forests, marshes, tundra, lots of lakes, coastlines, beaches, everything.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, that's like, that's one of the weirdest things about Alaska.
It's like you've got like literally everything, with the exception
of like a hot desert. You know, you do have
every sort of environment you could possibly imagine up that way,
depending on the time of the year of course.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah. Yeah, And in nineteen fifty sevenill was discovered on
the peninsula, so that still is continuing today. Lots of oil,
lots of fishing and tourism today. There's also protected areas,
so there's the Kenai Fjords National Park and the Kenai
National Wildlife Refuge, so that's like in that area too,
(05:14):
and there's also land that's owned privately by the native
tribes and also by corporations.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Corporations are doing but hiding the bigfoots.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, right, and there aren't any developments like in any
of those areas, so that made Portlock like really isolated, yeah, remote, Yeah,
and there's definitely still areas that have not been fully
explored to sure.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I was gonna say, kind of touching back on
what I was talking about, like, that's like kind of
like the last unexplored part of the United States, you know. Yeah, Now,
not saying that it's not completely unexplored, because obviously people
do live there, but it is a different kind of
wilderness up there.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah. So Port Chatham Bay was where the town was
built on. So that's why sometimes it's called Port Chatham.
A lot of people say port Lock, but I'm going
to stick with port Lock.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Sorry, No, that's all good. Yeah, I like consistency. Let's
stay consistent with it.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah. In seventeen eighty six, Royal Navy Captain Nathaniel port Lock,
which is why it's called Port Luck, sailed through the
area and he loved the natural resources there and he
was like, we have to live here. I guess.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Everybody else on the boat don't give a shit what
you think. This is where we're staying.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Well, he just loved it, I guess. But then and
they didn't start mapping the area and everything until seventeen
ninety one, so it's like five years later. I don't know.
He probably spread the word. I guess that this was
a great place. And then this English explorer Oorge Vancouver
came through in seventeen ninety one and he mapped the
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area and he named the bay after one of his ships,
which was the HMS Chatham. So then after that, like
much later after that though, I don't know, I don't
know what a port Lock Captain Portlack was doing or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
But just sitting there still admiring the natural beauty and
the resources.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, because it was like a lot later the town
popped up. But the area offered like sheltered bays from storms,
so it was very nice. And then there were like
the thick forests around it, so lot September they could
build houses. There's plenty of fish, and also they have
coal and chromite in that area, so they could mine there.
(07:48):
So the town sprouted up in the early nexts, so
like much later than these two people were dead by
s well, yeah, but a cannery was built, so they
processed two hundred thousand pounds of fish at the cannery.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, it was a big operation. And then the coal
and chromite mines like started operation as well, so those
were going in. And then there was also fox and
mink farms in the area, so there's like lots of jobs.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah. Yeah, this is like the birth of a booming,
you know city pretty.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Much, right, yeah, especially early nineteen hundreds. Yeah, and then
they also built a school, a pool hall, a general store,
and a post office, so they were official.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean, it sounds like
everything was on the up and up as far as
establishing a permanent living city.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, you know, right. And then Seladovia was nearby, so
that's about sixteen miles away, which that's still town today,
so like they weren't they didn't feel totally isolated then
like that they could get there. It's still like through
rugged terrain. But yeah, I had a lot of promise.
But then there were a lot of strange stories of
(09:03):
something unknown in the woods that were causing issues. And
also people were like washing up on the shore like dead,
and some of them were shredded to pieces. So I
don't know what's up with that.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
But well, I'm gonna play my more logical thinking mind
here for a second. So along with the rugged terrain itself,
the beaches and the locks and the ports and stuff
like that, Like the water inlets are very hard to navigate,
(09:40):
and I think they are extremely rugged as well. So
somebody following overboard getting you know, turned up in the
ocean over and over and over again, that might be
a possible reason why, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Well, over the span
of two years from nineteen fifty four eighteen forty five,
I'm dyslexic.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Forty six runs in the family.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, No, over thirty people were found dead or were
missing in just those two years.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
This, I mean, this town's not that big.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So I was going to say, especially for a small tidite,
that that's a significant amount of people.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah. Yeah. So eventually the elders of the native tribe
made everyone leave in nineteen forty nine, and they practically
left like overnight because they were so spooped, and just
the postmaster stayed behind. So he's just there alone.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Man, I don't know about that. Man. It's one yeah,
staying out in the woods, you know, Like I don't
have a problem being in the woods. I don't have
a problem being in the woods at night. I have
a problem being in a whole fucking town by myself.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, in the middle of the woods.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, in the middle of the Alaskan wilderness where I
know forty five people have been killed in a handful.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Of years, right, Yeah, So he lasted about a year
and then he called it quits. So that was the
end of the town.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
That's better man than me. I don't know if i'd
make it a year by myself.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I mean, I don't know if exactly a year, but
it was in nineteen fifty that he loves.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Nonetheless, I mean even a couple of months would probably
drive me crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, right, especially like in the winter when it's so
dark the whole time, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I
have a lot of stories your favorite.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
To get into him, let's get into I hate man.
I'll do my best to keep it.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Hey, that's okay. There's lots of stories. Okay. Well, first
one was in nineteen oh five, you know, pretty long
time ago. Workers in the fish processing like the cannery.
One day they all walked off the job because something
in the woods was like bothering their camp and they
didn't come back. Like the seafood company brought in armed
(12:07):
security so that they could come back to work.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So that's the first.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, so I know that there are a lot of
wild there is a lot of wildlife up in that area,
and a massive operation where they're you know, harvesting fish
and you know, processing fish would attract predators of some sort,
especially you know, brown bears, and those things are fucking massive,
and they don't care about you. You know, They're just
(12:34):
going to look at you being all like, man, do
I feel like eating you right now or not? That's
that's the way they're going to kind of think.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
But at the same time, if it's such a large operation,
I would think an animal like that might kind of
come around and check it out. But once there's like
a bunch of people, I would think it'd be like, man,
I don't know if this is worth it, you know.
And I wouldn't imagine those people would be like if
they're used to living up there, they're obviously used to
(13:04):
being around bears.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Right, That's what I was gonna say. So they see
those all the time. I'm sure they're fine with that,
and I'm sure they had guns and stuff like I
don't know, Well.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, I mean, if you're going to be living in
that kind of wilderness, you have to have something with
you to protect you against a bear, because it's just
going to sit on you. And eat you.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, so the fact that something was bothering them enough
that they just all quit like yeah, I don't know.
And then okay, so skipping pretty far. In nineteen twenty three,
there was this guy and his girlfriend Sergius Munin, I
don't know his girlfriend's name. They were they heard a
(13:43):
high pitched whistling while they were walking in the woods,
and they said it was like so loud and high
pitched that it like hurt their ears.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, And then they said a week later they spotted
a large, hairy, bipedal creature walking on the beach.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Well, so the whistling thing I've heard associated with bigfoots, yeties,
things of that nature. Also heard it associated out down by,
you know, a little east of me with like, what
is it the window goes stuff something like that. Now,
the only problem I have with the bipedal on the
(14:22):
beach is bears. Bears stand on their hind legs all
the time, right, Yeah, you know, so I'm not saying
it was a bear, but I'm also not convinced it
was a YETI.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, because I don't know how old these people were either,
like if they'd seen bears walking on their feet and
stuff like if if that was the first time you
saw that, then I don't know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, And I always try to give it the benefit
of the doubt too, Like if it was somebody from
like let's say modern day, I don't know, Little Rock, Arkansas,
and they go up and they see they're walking through
the woods in Alaska and they see something walking on
its two hind legs through the woods, they probably think
it was fucking bigfoot. For somebody that lives out there,
though'd be like, oh, yeah, it's just a you know,
(15:07):
brown bear, just being a brown bear.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
So yeah. And then okay, So nineteen thirty one, here's
a mysterious death of Andrew Camluck. So he's a lagger
and it said that his crew like slowly start abandoning
the position like of being a logger because things were
(15:32):
would go missing when they would put them down, and
they were like fed up with that. So I don't know,
that sounds like some like fairy something, but they're like
a gnomer, I don't know. But then so he was
the owner of the company and eventually he was the
last one that was still in the woods and like
harvesting trees because all of his other workers like left.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
What is that that these people like, dude, I'm telling
you right now, like I get it. Two things realistically,
how much work are you going to get done as
a logger by yourself without a team with you? Yeah too,
You're in the middle of the fucking woods by yourself. Like,
even if you're confident by yourself, shit still happens where
you could get hurt and then what are you gonna
(16:13):
like you slip and fall and break your leg. You're
fucked right.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, Well, so he was found killed at the job
site at the job sEH, Yes, like he hadn't come
back in a while, so people went to search for
him because they knew like he was alone out there,
and they found him. He was struck in the head
by like a heavy piece of logging equipment. Okay, so
(16:39):
it was like it's like I'm imagining. I think it
was like kind of like a not a log splitter.
I guess did they have those back like a wet
or something maybe, Yeah, but it was something like so
big that like one person could not have lifted it themselves.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Okay, so we're talking like he was struck in the
head with Yeah, we're talking about a piece of equipment
that either fell or something happened where he wasn't paying
attention or was hit he was hit by it by
something like it just didn't you know, he didn't just
bunk his head on it, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
And yeah, he didn't just trip and fall intof like
the way the injury was. I guess it was like
seemed like something I don't somehow it had well hit him.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
And I did they classify it as just a death
or did they classify it as like a murderer?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I don't know. It was nineteen thirty one, Okay, I mean,
he's just one of the mysterious.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Deaths I see.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Okay, I mean they do say murders now. I guess
they call them all like murders, but I don't know
at the time. Yeah, okay, here's a good story that
you might not like. Also nineteen thirty one, there was
a prospector who came to town and he asked, Yeah,
(17:59):
he asked locals where a good stream to look for
gold was, and then he found a root that's like
further up in the mountains. So he went there with
his pack mule, and then they're never seen again, is
the story?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well, and to kind of heart. Back to what I
said earlier, like you are in the wilderness and there
are animals out there, especially bears, And I mean as
far as like a pack mule goes in that sort
of terrain, like they're not gonna be able to move
fast like a bear can just you know, come across
that country like it's nothing. It wouldn't be unheard of,
or I mean something is even as simple as just
(18:37):
getting turned around and getting lost. Yeah, you know, because
if you get lost out there especially he said this
was thirty one, Like dude, they're like, who's going to
come find you?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah? Right, Well, and I was also thinking maybe he
just went to the next town or something.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Well that could be too. I mean, if it's just
a random prospector like nobody like has any skin in
the game as far as is keeping accountability of this guy.
He's just a driftic yeah you know.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Oh yeah, so I don't know, but that was one
of the stories. And then that is this guy Tom Larsen.
He spots a big hairy creature on the beach that
was eating fish out of a fish trap. So he
said that he went out from his cabin in the
early morning to go gather the fish, like from the
(19:24):
fish trap, and like there's this bend. So when he
turned the bend to go to the beach, he saw
what he did think was a bear at first, like
stealing fish. But then once he got a little closer,
he saw that it had hands like a human's, he said,
And it was like eating the fish like whole, like
the bones and everything. Do bears do that?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I don't know, No, no, no, they just pin it down
and rip.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, So it was just like shoving the whole thing
into its mouth and eating old fish in one fight.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Hey, I mean, you gotta gotta get it while you can.
You know, it's it's survival the fittest. You got to
get your food as quick as can see. That's the
thing I was going to ask. I kind of do
like that story a little bit because it adds some
validity that he thought it was a bear until he
got closer. It wasn't one of those like I just
saw like something dart off in the woods and it
(20:15):
was bigfoot. You know. It's like yeah, until I saw
it just you know, shoving fish down its throat with
hands right, you know, everything was I was about to
just go yell at it, you know, hey, bear it
and call it good, right.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, and he said he did, like when he went
to get his gun, thinking like if he killed it,
then that would be proof because he had heard these stories,
so he's thinking, look, oh, if I kill it, then
that's proof of this creature. So when he came back
with his gun, it was still there and he was
ready to shoot it. But then like the creature kind
of heard like the gun cocking or whatever and looked
(20:53):
at him, and he said that he saw like human
expression of like sadness from this creek. Sure, so he
couldn't kill.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Sir, I'm just trying to eat my fish.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, he just said it looked too human, so he
couldn't actually kill it. And then he backed away slowly
and like just went home.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Well, there is such a thing as the down in
my neck of the woods called the Tennessee wild Man.
So maybe it's the maybe it's the Alaskan wild man.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I mean, maybe it's like some vagabond person that's
just in forty eight, large human like tracks were found
on a trail and then they found hunters' bodies like
mutilated in the lagoon. So like they said, the hunters
went out to the woods, they never came out again.
(21:43):
And then people think that their bodies must have gone
into the river and then dumped out into the lagoon
closer to town. Yeah, and they said that. Yeah, they
said it was like their bodies were dismembered and like shredded,
so that I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
See that might that might be like a bear attack,
because if they came across like a mom and her cubs,
it's not going to eat you. It's just gonna fuck
you up. Yeah, And once it thinks you're not a
threat anymore, it's going to leave you alone. So and
I mean, if they got dumped out into a lagoon
(22:23):
coming across a mother and cubs at a water source,
I mean, that wouldn't be uncommon to think about. So yeah,
I mean I'm just trying to trying to think. It's
like that's the only bad thing I don't like about
some of these stories, especially from like way back in
the early nineteen hundreds. It's it's just like, oh, we
found these guys and they were fucked up, like.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, right, and then you know, yeah, there's no pictures
or whatever, right. Yeah, So in nineteen forty nine, so
this is like right before they like left, I guess
there was these group of hunters that was following a
moose and then they noticed like these eighteen inch long
(23:05):
tracks that were also following this moose. So they thought, like,
whatever this is also like hunting it for food. And
then they came to like a small clearing and they
said there was like literally blood everywhere, but there were
no like moose tracks left, and there were no no
like moose parts of the body in there, but just
(23:26):
blood everywhere. And then the eighteen inch tracks like led
further into the mountains. So I guess it grabbed like
picked it up or something.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah. I killed the moose and just threw it over
its shoulders, and it was like come on, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I mean there was I don't know, that's like scary.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well that's what I was about to say. I mean,
I don't know how much moose ways, but it's it's
not a light animal. It's massive, right. Oh yeah, if
it could, if something could just pick it up and
just call it good, I mean, okay, there you go.
Males moose will weigh anywhere from eight hundred and forty
to fifteen hundred pounds females will weigh anywhere from four
(24:07):
hundred and forty to eleven hundred pounds.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, and they're bigger than a car.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah yeah, they're massive.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You know, you're not just throwing that thing over your shoulder,
even if you're a big foot or a big girl
or whatever. The cryptid is up here, right.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, so then you know, after that, the town's abandoned
the postmaster. While he was there, he said, while he
was living there alone, he saw something stalking him from
the tree line, like every day until he left.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
See listen, that's what I'm okay, bigfoot, bear, wolf, whatever
it may be. You're there by yourself, and if I
saw something just fucking hanging out checking me out every
single day, dude, I'd be like, hey, it's time to go.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah yeah. I don't really know why he stayed there
that long, or like maybe he had to for the
no one's getting post but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well, yeah he's gonna say, who's the fox's getting mailed there?
I don't know, or maybe he was forwarding it to
whoever whatever, you know, what what's yeah, what's there saying rain, sleet,
snow or whatever? You know, Yeah, stalking cryptids in the woods.
I'm going to deliver this fucking.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Mail, right, Yeah, he took it seriously. Hey, So, yeah,
like there's still stories after the town's abandoned. So nineteen
sixty eight, a hunter in that area was chased out
of a goalie and he said it was some unknown
creature that he had never seen before. Any description of it, no,
(25:40):
just that that he ran away because he was chased
by something. Well, he's a hunter, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, I mean once again, though, I mean, if he
is a hunter, I'll give the guy the benefit of
the doubt. In that area, he's familiar with the wildlife,
and if it was a moose that chased him out,
he would have said, a moose fucking charged me and
I ran out of there. Or if it was a
bear that chased him out, he'd been like this massive
kodiak just chased me out of here, and I'm lucky
to be alive.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Right the fact, he says an unknown creature, But I
don't know. It could just be a story obviously. Yeah.
In nineteen seventy three, hunters take took refuge in the
area from a storm and they said they heard something
that sounded by Peedle, like walking around their tent for
like the two nights they were stuck there during this storm.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Hum.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
So that's all we have on that.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Well. And the thing is, I have to imagine that
these stories have probably you know, permeated. If you're at
the last town before you go in that area, they're like, oh, hey,
watch out for the Bigfoot or whatever, you know what
I mean. Yeah, it could have been something as simple
as a psychological trick they were playing on themselves, or
there are animals there, And like I said, i'd be
(26:55):
I'd wonder what you mean what they meant by it
sounded by peedele.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Right, Yeah, I was wondering that too. Can you hear that?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I guess, I mean, I guess, I guess yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
But also it's storming, how much I really.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Sure if it's If it's storming, most of these animals
are not trying to make their presence known. They're trying
to either hunt or avoid being hunted. So yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
In the nineteen eighties, another group of hunters said they
were screamed at in the area, like they couldn't see
the thing, but just to scream. Yeah, and they didn't
know what the scream. I mean they said they had
never heard that kind of scream before, you know where
like foxes scream like something in that. But they said
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they'd never had heard of that sound before.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Well, and I mean fox scream does sound like almost
like a child screaming, I think would be the best way.
It's very high pitched.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Like a well a woman, I guess too.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
It doesn't say if it was like a low pitch
or high pitch or it just said they were screamed at.
But also in the nineteen eighties, the town was officially
wiped off. The census took.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
A why on postmaster. Yeah, all the marril was forwarded.
He completed his duty.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah. In nineteen ninety, an Anchorage paramedic was called out
to aid a seventy year old like Native person who
had suffered a heart attack, but he was incarcerated in
like the jail like by Anchorage. But like while while
the paramedic was treating the guy, he said he mentioned
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like he had hunted in the area of Port Lock before,
and then the elderly man like suddenly like sat up
and like grabbed him and said, did it bother you?
Did you see it? So I like, that's because he's
like seventy I guess if he had been living.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
There so well. To be fair, I don't claim to
know that we know everything in this world, right. I
think most of the time there is a logical explanation
for things. But I think there are there are things
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that we don't quite understand in this world too. And
to have a reaction like that after a heart attack,
you would think obviously something happened to him where he
had to say that, you know what I mean. Now,
I don't think he would just fake that reaction, especially
after while you're being treated for a heart attack.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
So yeah, something traumatic maybe, right, Okay, So twenty fourteen,
there's been researchers like going to the area and stuff.
So someone went there to explore and looking for the creature,
and they played a recording of a baby crying, which
caused the trees to start shaking from some like invisible force.
(30:02):
They said, I don't know, because it's just started because
the baby's cried, so the trees are just chaky, And
the researcher also said, well it was later The researcher
was later told by a local that there's a white
bigfoot scene in the area a lot, but of course
there was no video or photo. It's probably big Girl
(30:24):
the researcher.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, was supposedly. Yeah, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Her cousin, her Alaskan cousin.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Or she's got a summer home up in Port Lock.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, she just travels there interdimensionally, that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, yeah, I forget.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, that'll be fun. See they kind of sound like fairies.
That's like what fairies do right now, big Foot's just fairy.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Well Okay, So, like I kind of said, though, I
don't think we completely understand. I think we have a
halfway decent understanding of the natural world in which we
can see, touch, interact, study, measure, stuff like that, but
I think there is part of that that we don't understand,
and having something like I mean, they've they theorize that
(31:20):
there are multiple dimensions, and if there are multiple dimensions,
and if a creature has the innate ability to navigate those,
there's no reason why it couldn't. But yeah, I mean,
I'm kind of going into the woo right now a
little bit. But if you can go in between dimensions
like time and traveling, distance doesn't really mean anything to you.
(31:45):
So I mean maybe it very well could be. Big
girl is going down to the Bradshaw Ranch, eating some food,
flipping some plates over, and then shooting up to Port
Lock and getting some more fish and just shoving them
down her face and looking sad when somebody points a
gun at her.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Right. Well, she she was pregnant, right, so she has children,
that's true. Oh, she doesn't want to die. She's got
to take care of her babies in the other dimension.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Maybe that's why she was swallowing the fishes whole. It's
just like a mix between like an ape and a
part that just throws up in their fucking mouth.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah. Maybe. Okay, So twenty eighteen, Extreme Expeditions Northwest traveled
to the area to film a documentary, and they also
filmed a TV series in twenty nineteen, but I did
not watch that one. I watched the twenty eighteen. Yeah. Well,
the twenty eighteen documentary you could find it on YouTube,
(32:43):
but spoiler alert, it was not very evidence heavy, no way. Yeah. So, well,
there is like one thing that they say, wait till
you see us, here we go. Okay, they said this
(33:05):
blob thing was a creature Jesus. Yeah, so this is
a Fleer thermal camera image, and they said there was
something standing between the trees, which I don't even see
like trees. Really maybe this is a tree, but they said.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
There's a handful I can kind of make out out
of that Fleer image.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
But yeah, yeah, they said it was clearer when they
first saw it on the thing, but then when it
became up part of the documentary, it looks like this. Yeah.
And also they said everyone on the team saw it
like walking because this is like a still image. So
while it was like walking and moving with its arms
like up and down like when you're walking, they said
(33:48):
that was more clear, but like this is the image
that they show, So this, this blob.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
This is why nobody believes people. Yeah, you know what
I mean. And it's like it's like the alien thing
and that's the only thing. Like I am so all
in with aliens, and I guarantee you I would be
all in with Bigfoot if we this is in you
said twenty eighteen. Yeah, there is no fucking reason with
(34:18):
you going out with a production crew and cameras that
that's the best fucking.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Thing you got, right, Yeah, it was pretty disappointing. They
also heard tree knockings, which that's like classic. Yeah, and
they also found some kind of imprint in the moss
I guess. But the problem they said it was fourteen
inches long. This is the photo, so you can kind
(34:42):
of see some like snapped wood and like maybe an
impression next to.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Their that's a I don't know man, right.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Like the area is really mossy, like marshy. Yeah, so
it's like really hard to tell anything there too. I
feel like it's like you're making a foot come out
because of like where those shrapnels or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, the broken sticks and stuff. Yeah, I feel like
that's kind of what it is. I think it's probably
just something natural that when you look at it, you're
trying to associate something to it, right.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Like we do with faces.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah right, yeah, it's now no, you're wrong very well.
Could be the problem once again, I have is if
this is the evidence that you're presenting to me, it's like, dude,
I'm going to need a little bit more. You gotta
give me something.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, I mean, you go out with that and you
bring just back those two things.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
So yeah, but they also said one of the researchers
said while they were walking, she like saw something like
peeking out from a tree watching them, but like they
didn't get that on camera, and they also couldn't find
that like using the fleer like while she was saying
she saw that.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So yeah, So my thing is, like I said, you
have all the technology at your disposal. You know, I
can buy the stories from the nineteen it's the early
nineteen hundreds, even into the nineteen fifties. Got it. You
can't tell me you have evidence when you went with
a production crew and you don't present evidence, right, you know,
(36:26):
like you you at that point you are giving you
have every mode of success going for you. You have
everything you could possibly have. Yeah, and that's the thing,
and you still all you get is stories. And I
think that's the reason why like the bigfoot thing or
the yetty thing has never really been my thing just
because of that. It's always the same thing. We're going
(36:47):
to go out here, We're going to waste your time
for an hour and a half watching the stupid ass,
fucking documentary and I'm going to show you the most
like fuzzy distorted whatever told you. And it's the last
two minutes of the fucking episode.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
It's like, yeah, yeah, it's pretty disappointing. But there's like
one weird thing kind of in the area of Portlock
that I guess they saw it during this documentary too,
But a lot of people say, like, you know, there's
lots of evidence of bear activity and like there's like
poop and there's like a bunch of berries around, but
like all the berries are gone because the bears eat
(37:24):
it all and you can see like the bedding and stuff.
But then when they got to like the lagoon side,
there was like no bear poop at all. There were
unpicked berries literally like everywhere, Like it's like there was
a line of like a territory that they couldn't like cross.
That's because like all the berries were still there, like
so much food.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, it was weird. And the thing with bears is
the only thing I think bears are really worried about
our other bears. Yeah, and even then it's just like no,
we're just gonna fight and see who wins sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
And they would the other bears would eat the berries.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, yeah, so like there wouldn't be like just a
random spot of food. Especially, Like it's even weird too
because there are other animals that would eat those berries.
It's not just bears.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, so some people are saying, yeah, that that's like
the Bigfoot territory, that like all the animals know not
to go there, I guess, And Bigfoot doesn't care about berries.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I guess it likes the way they look.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, it's decorative.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, it's decorative. Don't touch my shit. But no, I
mean I, like I said, I'm not still buying into
the Bigfoot thing, but that that is a very very
interesting detail that there's a like kind of a line
drawn in the sand, because, like I said, usually animals
don't give a shit unless there's a reason to give.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
A shit, right, Yeah. There's also a TV series in
twenty twenty one called Alaskan Killer Bigfoot, and this is
like where some needid Yeah, well, because people blame it
for the murders.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Oh of Port Locke, I'm assuming yeah yeah right.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
But yeah, some natives like go back to Port Lock
I guess because they're like villages running out of space
and resources, so they go to that area to see
how dangerous it really is or whatever, since they like
grew up with the stories of Port Lock. Right, it
was like eight episodes, though I didn't watch it. Also,
I read a lot of it like felt more like
(39:29):
scripted like reality TV, Like I don't know if they
actually find anything or whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I can so yeah, I can give an educated guest
and say.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Most likely no, right, yeah, that's why I don't want
to watch it. But it is interesting that like natives
go and they talk a little bit about like the
stories that they grew up with from their family and
who used to live there and all that. But yeah,
the locals in the area, they have like a legend
(40:01):
of a bigfoot, but they call it a non toonock okay, yeah,
which that kind of translates to like big hairy man
or like half man half beast, and they say like
that creatures live there forever, and they think that is
what was terrorizing like Port Locke because it was too
close to like its territory, like I only Doon. Yeah yeah,
(40:27):
so yeah. One of the tales of the Nntinock is
there was a hunter who asked to be dropped off
on the beach in the Chatham Berrier area and then
he told his companions not to wait for him, and
he was going to go into the woods to become
a nontonock. Is what the legend is. And then he
was later seen in Port Graham and he told everyone
(40:50):
to keep his wife away from him or he might
take her away to live as a nontanock with him.
Like he was becoming part beast.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Okay, I got yeah, I gotcha. So he wasn't already,
he was in the process of the transformation.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Right, Yeah, like he that's kind of the origin story,
I guess, like he went out into the woods and
became like a half beast and almost they Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
I'm sorry, it almost sounds like like the skin Walker
story of how like you know, like, yeah, you have
to like go out and become it, right, anything that's
that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, And I mean he said he was going to
be in the area for a long time and he
didn't want to see any He didn't want anyone to
see him while he was growing the fur.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I guess, you know, it's that's understandable, man. You know,
you start getting hair in weird places and you don't
want to talk to anybody, you know, get a little
angsty and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Right, I mean is that just like the lichen throp
what is that where? Yeah, but people are born with that.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, that's a genetic mutation. I believe of where they
just have hair everywhere.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Right, But people said he fully transformed into a nontanoch
like years later and he could no longer understand human speech.
But they said he communicated through whistling, which is like
weird that some of these other people heard like whistling,
But that's kind of the tale that they tell like
children and for the local people.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
It took him years to do that though.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah that sucks, so it says, and now he's forever
non Tanoch in the area. I guess he's I don't
know if it's still like supposed to be him.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, I was going to say legend or is it
like did he like, hey, there you go, this is
the love story really needed. Did he steal his wife
while he was the nock tokock and transform her and
now they're just you know, they're like the Adam and
Eve of the Alaskan Yettes, right.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, they're the origin. Yeah, I don't know, so, I
mean that's kind of all the stories. There's people who
are saying the town was abandoned naturally and not through
Bigfoot or whatever, because a lot of people said the
Alaska Route one highway was completed shortly before it was
(43:19):
abandoned and that it didn't need to be a town anymore.
But I don't know about that, Like that was complete
in nineteen forty two and they abandoned it nineteen forty nine.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah. Well, and the other thing too, is you had
a port city that obviously had resources that could have
been pretty successful as far as bringing stuff inland according
to what Yeah, you know you've said, so I don't
know the whole like natural. And the other thing is
(43:51):
like to kind of go back to the beginning, forty
five murders is or missing people or whatever they want
to classify it as, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Of people, yeah, like over two years.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, I mean I can't imagine it was Like I wonder,
do you know, like offhand, what the population was like
at its peak or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
No, I'm gonna try to find it really well.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I mean I can't imagine, Well, it's all good. I
can't imagine it would be a lot though.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
No, I wouldn't think so, So I don't know. Yeah.
I mean some people are saying too that the murders
like never happened, but I don't think that's true. I mean,
people like online you know, are saying that's all made
up or whatever, but there's people like the Native people
that talk about it unless they're all lying, Like, well, yeah,
(44:44):
I feel like that's true.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, it's not like a I don't feel like this
is like a Slenderman situation or it was just like
made up and now everybody believes it. I feel like
there has to be some level of truth to that. Now,
maybe them not might have been inflated, but yeah, I
would still have been a pretty significant amount of people
for people to still talk about it.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Right, Yeah, this says, well, this says when it first
kind of started in nineteen forty, there were thirty one people,
So I assumed there was like a boom because of
all the industry, but maybe like a couple hundred maybe, Well.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
That's what most I feel like, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like,
if you if you had two hundred people, let's say
two hundred people, was cap that that place topped out
at You're talking a fourth of those people in two
years either killed or disappeared, Like that's insane. If you
took that metric to any other city, just now just
(45:43):
a fourth of the people were murdered, people would be like,
holy shit, what the fuck is happening?
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah, that would be insane. Also, the chromite mine, it
did stop producing shortly after World War Two, so this
would kind of coincide with when it was shut down.
But like it was that one, like they still had logging,
they still had fishing. Like, I don't see how it
would totally shut down just because.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
That was Yeah, I could see a decline for sure
of the actual miners that were mining that mineral, for sure,
but as far as like the logging and fishing well,
and maybe because it was kind of isolated from what
you said, and the terrain might have played into the
logging aspect and maybe even the fishing part of it.
It's like, well, we're fine for our city or our town,
(46:29):
but we can't really get it anywhere that could.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
They'd have to ship it right right, Yeah, And I
guess with the highway, maybe people moved more because that's
by like Homer and other ones, So maybe they just
moved to the other side of the bay or something.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, probably that could be it.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean the stories of like the
non Toanoch and then like the creature thing in the
early nineteen hundreds, like that was before the like bigfoot
craze too. Yeah, of, like the Patterson film came out
in nineteen sixty seven, he was already abandoned by then. Yeah,
(47:11):
so I feel like they weren't making it up necessarily,
but I mean people might later, I guess, have made
up some of these.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
But yeah, I kind of have a theory about the
bigfoot thing though.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
So I'm going to share my screen with you real quick, Sarah. Okay, Okay,
So I'm gonna give you some context. First. This animal
went extinct about between ten and eleven thousand years ago,
so we were around when this fucking thing was around. Okay, listeners,
if you are listening, we are looking at a short
faced bear. There are four individuals standing around the short
(47:50):
face bear, and they are the bear is standing on
its hind legs and the people are anywhere probably average
sized males, anywhere from five to five to six foot,
and they are at their hip its hip.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yeah, that is insane, insane.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
The thing that I kind of was thinking about this
with the short faced bear is these things were real
prevalent towards the end of the last ice Age and
when we were crossing the bearing sea on the ice bridge, Yeah,
into Alaska and stuff from you know, Russia, Eurasia, that
sort of area. So uh like yeah, if stories were
(48:30):
passed down and that's how information was shared from generation
to generation to generation, somebody encountered those fucking animals. Yeah,
and yeah, it's a mythical fucking beast because it's a
bear that's almost three times the size of a normal
fucking bear.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Oh my god, that would be crazy. I mean it's
like the giant slot thing too, right, Yeah, wow, yeah,
I mean that could be the origin story for sure
of the Nontenach.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Well, and it's like a similariated like you know how
like we have like an innate fear of like falling
as humans, you know, like like regardless of age, even
children are scared to fall. Children are also scared of
monsters with sharp teeth. Well, I sincerely believe that is
from when we were being preyed upon by predators monsters
(49:26):
with sharp teeth.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah. So nice. Well that's all I have. What do
you think you like any of I mean, you liked
one of the stories.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
I think maybe I do. I do like the kind
of like the line in the sand sort of thing
with the territory that that was really interesting.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Yeah, that's the really weird part.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Now, like the murders and stuff like that. I mean,
at that point in history, it was like it had
to have been like the new wild West up there,
Like there were really no rules, yeah, you know, right,
and like who going to enforce it? You know? And
you said they did have a pool haul, so I'm
assuming they had some sort of alcohol up there. You know,
(50:09):
these people that are prospecting, mining, doing whatever. I mean, dude,
they're working their ass off all day and they get
drunk and then you know, start talking shit to each other.
Next thing, you know, one of them goes to leave
and guy just you know, kills them or something, you know, right, Yeah,
I don't know. But the thing with I think we
(50:29):
over I think we overhype certain things in our culture
based off of what we've experienced in the past. Like
we have an innate fear of being in the woods.
I think that's because of predators. I think that's because
when we were hunter gatherers, we were fighting fucking bears
and wolves and you know, lions on the Sahara and
(50:53):
stuff like like that's what we had to do to
survive and It's the same thing with like in you know,
Europe in the early entries, you know, like fighting wolves
like no shit, having to fight off wolves like Yeah.
I kind of think that's where a lot of these
stories come from, is just us coming up as human
beings and having to fight off animals and having a
(51:15):
better understanding of it. I I don't think that we
can't get away from that mystique of it, so we
instead of associated with a bear or a lion or
a tiger or wolf or whatever, we have something new
to put it on. That's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, especially if you don't really see it, but you
kind of hear something, then you just i mean you
think of like anything, and it's just becomes bigger than
it is.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
So yeah, I mean I've been out in the woods
so many times, and you know, I've seen things that
probably weren't real just because my mind playing tricks on
me and hearing things out in the woods. I mean,
especially in some of those areas, like the way that
sound travels kind of screws with you a little bit too.
So I don't know, I'm not a I'm not a
(52:03):
huge proponent of the bigfoot thing, especially after what was
the what was the name of the film again? You
said it once, the Patterson Yeah, the Patterson film. I
mean that's pretty widely accepted. That's faked. I mean that's
a dude in a suit.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Right, and that kicked it off.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah. Yeah, And in every documentary I've seen since then
has been the same fucking thing, Like, just a dude
walking in the woods. What do you Oh, we hear it,
we hear it, and it's like, listen, nothing, I don't
hear anything. Right, here's the evidence. Here's the picture of
the footprint the ground. I don't see anything there, you know.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
So yeah, it's fair. But I mean that's I used
to be afraid of Bigfoot because I Bigfoot would be
in my dreams all the time. What Yeah, I always
had dreams with Bigfoot, like growing up. So I was
afraid of Bigfoot. Now I think I'm okay, But.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Well, I mean, to be fair, if there was an
apex ape like creature living in the woods that possessed
you know, I mean, hell, even twice the strength of
a normal human being like that would be terrifying.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, they're gonna just throw boulders and whatever.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, that would be absolutely terrifying. Now, by playing Devil's Advocate,
you would find bodies, you would find hard evidence, you
would find some sort of something. There would be something,
and I know everybody likes to go the interdimensional route,
which I mean sure that could be one hundred percent true,
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but you would still have something a little better than
a shitty fleer image or a shot of the ground
with your foot next to supposedly a footprint. Right, yeah,
I don't know. Nice, Okay, well, listeners, you let me know,
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Speaker 1 (01:19):
I am Jake and I'm Sarah.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You know, Sarah, we haven't really talked about the YETTI
or the Bigfoot or the Abominable Snowman, like actually talked
about it. I mean there's been a few episodes, like
I know, the Deal off Pass, we kind of touched
on it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
But yeah, and the Bradford are not Bradford Bradshaw.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Hey, that's not the same thing. That's big girl. Okay,
and remember everybody likes a big girl. Possibly shirt's coming
soon on that listeners anyway, but no, okay, So Sarah,
what are we getting into today?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Today we're going to talk about port Lock, Alaska, which
is also Port Chatham. I think most people say port Lock,
but it was a thriving village on the southern tip
of the Kenai Peninsula. It was yeah, it's yeah, it's
no longer there just ruins. Yeah, there were some mysterious
(02:15):
murders and disappearances and then they abandoned it. Yeah, in
nineteen fifty they abandoned it. So yeah, I don't know
if do you want to see a map or yeah?
I mean we can, we can, we can share, Yeah
I could. Yeah, Yeah, I guess we'll see if it works.
(02:35):
Select a window this one right, wow, Okay, here we go. Yeah,
is it big enough?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Op?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I lost my star though that's manual. Here's where port
Lock is down there, so it's like the very very
southern tip and it's not I mean there's no road.
That's why would there be roads now because nothing's there.
But it's very remote and sad abandoned. But right on
(03:08):
the water.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, sad and abandoned. But lakefront property or waterfront property,
you know.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Right, Yeah, who wouldn't like that? Well, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Think people don't understand. There's been a handful of times
that I've actually flown over Alaska and it's crazy how
expansive that wilderness is. I don't think, especially living in
the United States, I don't think we like completely understand
like that kind of wilderness, Like it is so massive
(03:43):
and there's no like when we think of civilization. Yes,
there are massive cities there, but throughout the most of
the state it's wilderness, mountainous wilderness.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah right, I mean this is just part of the
that's something state or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I can stop sharing,
I guess since there's not much to look at and
we have listeners, we didn't describe much listeners, but yeah,
the Kenai Peninsula, it is like a relatively small area
(04:17):
like in Alaska terms, but there's a lot of stuff
like crammed into that area. Like there's mountain rangers, glaciers,
ice fields, forests, marshes, tundra, lots of lakes, coastlines, beaches, everything.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, that's like, that's one of the weirdest things about Alaska.
It's like you've got like literally everything, with the exception
of like a hot desert. You know, you do have
every sort of environment you could possibly imagine up that way,
depending on the time of the year of course.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah. Yeah, And in nineteen fifty sevenill was discovered on
the peninsula, so that still is continuing today. Lots of oil,
lots of fishing and tourism today. There's also protected areas,
so there's the Kenai Fjords National Park and the Kenai
National Wildlife Refuge, so that's like in that area too,
(05:14):
and there's also land that's owned privately by the native
tribes and also by corporations.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Corporations are doing but hiding the bigfoots.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, right, and there aren't any developments like in any
of those areas, so that made Portlock like really isolated, yeah, remote, Yeah,
and there's definitely still areas that have not been fully
explored to sure.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, I was gonna say, kind of touching back on
what I was talking about, like, that's like kind of
like the last unexplored part of the United States, you know. Yeah, Now,
not saying that it's not completely unexplored, because obviously people
do live there, but it is a different kind of
wilderness up there.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah. So Port Chatham Bay was where the town was
built on. So that's why sometimes it's called Port Chatham.
A lot of people say port Lock, but I'm going
to stick with port Lock.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Sorry, No, that's all good. Yeah, I like consistency. Let's
stay consistent with it.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah. In seventeen eighty six, Royal Navy Captain Nathaniel port Lock,
which is why it's called Port Luck, sailed through the
area and he loved the natural resources there and he
was like, we have to live here. I guess.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Everybody else on the boat don't give a shit what
you think. This is where we're staying.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Well, he just loved it, I guess. But then and
they didn't start mapping the area and everything until seventeen
ninety one, so it's like five years later. I don't know.
He probably spread the word. I guess that this was
a great place. And then this English explorer Oorge Vancouver
came through in seventeen ninety one and he mapped the
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area and he named the bay after one of his ships,
which was the HMS Chatham. So then after that, like
much later after that though, I don't know, I don't
know what a port Lock Captain Portlack was doing or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
But just sitting there still admiring the natural beauty and
the resources.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah, because it was like a lot later the town
popped up. But the area offered like sheltered bays from storms,
so it was very nice. And then there were like
the thick forests around it, so lot September they could
build houses. There's plenty of fish, and also they have
coal and chromite in that area, so they could mine there.
(07:48):
So the town sprouted up in the early nexts, so
like much later than these two people were dead by
s well, yeah, but a cannery was built, so they
processed two hundred thousand pounds of fish at the cannery.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Yeah, it was a big operation. And then the coal
and chromite mines like started operation as well, so those
were going in. And then there was also fox and
mink farms in the area, so there's like lots of jobs.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah. Yeah, this is like the birth of a booming,
you know city pretty.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Much, right, yeah, especially early nineteen hundreds. Yeah, and then
they also built a school, a pool hall, a general store,
and a post office, so they were official.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean, it sounds like
everything was on the up and up as far as
establishing a permanent living city.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, you know, right. And then Seladovia was nearby, so
that's about sixteen miles away, which that's still town today,
so like they weren't they didn't feel totally isolated then
like that they could get there. It's still like through
rugged terrain. But yeah, I had a lot of promise.
But then there were a lot of strange stories of
(09:03):
something unknown in the woods that were causing issues. And
also people were like washing up on the shore like dead,
and some of them were shredded to pieces. So I
don't know what's up with that.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
But well, I'm gonna play my more logical thinking mind
here for a second. So along with the rugged terrain itself,
the beaches and the locks and the ports and stuff
like that, Like the water inlets are very hard to navigate,
(09:40):
and I think they are extremely rugged as well. So
somebody following overboard getting you know, turned up in the
ocean over and over and over again, that might be
a possible reason why, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. Well, over the span
of two years from nineteen fifty four eighteen forty five,
I'm dyslexic.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Forty six runs in the family.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, No, over thirty people were found dead or were
missing in just those two years.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
This, I mean, this town's not that big.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
So I was going to say, especially for a small tidite,
that that's a significant amount of people.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah. Yeah. So eventually the elders of the native tribe
made everyone leave in nineteen forty nine, and they practically
left like overnight because they were so spooped, and just
the postmaster stayed behind. So he's just there alone.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Man, I don't know about that. Man. It's one yeah,
staying out in the woods, you know, Like I don't
have a problem being in the woods. I don't have
a problem being in the woods at night. I have
a problem being in a whole fucking town by myself.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, in the middle of the woods.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, in the middle of the Alaskan wilderness where I
know forty five people have been killed in a handful.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Of years, right, Yeah, So he lasted about a year
and then he called it quits. So that was the
end of the town.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
That's better man than me. I don't know if i'd
make it a year by myself.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
I mean, I don't know if exactly a year, but
it was in nineteen fifty that he loves.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Nonetheless, I mean even a couple of months would probably
drive me crazy.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah, right, especially like in the winter when it's so
dark the whole time, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I
have a lot of stories your favorite.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
To get into him, let's get into I hate man.
I'll do my best to keep it.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Hey, that's okay. There's lots of stories. Okay. Well, first
one was in nineteen oh five, you know, pretty long
time ago. Workers in the fish processing like the cannery.
One day they all walked off the job because something
in the woods was like bothering their camp and they
didn't come back. Like the seafood company brought in armed
(12:07):
security so that they could come back to work.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
So that's the first.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, so I know that there are a lot of
wild there is a lot of wildlife up in that area,
and a massive operation where they're you know, harvesting fish
and you know, processing fish would attract predators of some sort,
especially you know, brown bears, and those things are fucking massive,
and they don't care about you. You know, They're just
(12:34):
going to look at you being all like, man, do
I feel like eating you right now or not? That's
that's the way they're going to kind of think.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
But at the same time, if it's such a large operation,
I would think an animal like that might kind of
come around and check it out. But once there's like
a bunch of people, I would think it'd be like, man,
I don't know if this is worth it, you know.
And I wouldn't imagine those people would be like if
they're used to living up there, they're obviously used to
(13:04):
being around bears.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Right, That's what I was gonna say. So they see
those all the time. I'm sure they're fine with that,
and I'm sure they had guns and stuff like I
don't know, Well.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Yeah, I mean, if you're going to be living in
that kind of wilderness, you have to have something with
you to protect you against a bear, because it's just
going to sit on you. And eat you.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, so the fact that something was bothering them enough
that they just all quit like yeah, I don't know.
And then okay, so skipping pretty far. In nineteen twenty three,
there was this guy and his girlfriend Sergius Munin, I
don't know his girlfriend's name. They were they heard a
(13:43):
high pitched whistling while they were walking in the woods,
and they said it was like so loud and high
pitched that it like hurt their ears.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, And then they said a week later they spotted
a large, hairy, bipedal creature walking on the beach.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Well, so the whistling thing I've heard associated with bigfoots, yeties,
things of that nature. Also heard it associated out down by,
you know, a little east of me with like, what
is it the window goes stuff something like that. Now,
the only problem I have with the bipedal on the
(14:22):
beach is bears. Bears stand on their hind legs all
the time, right, Yeah, you know, so I'm not saying
it was a bear, but I'm also not convinced it
was a YETI.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah, because I don't know how old these people were either,
like if they'd seen bears walking on their feet and
stuff like if if that was the first time you
saw that, then I don't know, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah, And I always try to give it the benefit
of the doubt too, Like if it was somebody from
like let's say modern day, I don't know, Little Rock, Arkansas,
and they go up and they see they're walking through
the woods in Alaska and they see something walking on
its two hind legs through the woods, they probably think
it was fucking bigfoot. For somebody that lives out there,
though'd be like, oh, yeah, it's just a you know,
(15:07):
brown bear, just being a brown bear.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
So yeah. And then okay, So nineteen thirty one, here's
a mysterious death of Andrew Camluck. So he's a lagger
and it said that his crew like slowly start abandoning
the position like of being a logger because things were
(15:32):
would go missing when they would put them down, and
they were like fed up with that. So I don't know,
that sounds like some like fairy something, but they're like
a gnomer, I don't know. But then so he was
the owner of the company and eventually he was the
last one that was still in the woods and like
harvesting trees because all of his other workers like left.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
What is that that these people like, dude, I'm telling
you right now, like I get it. Two things realistically,
how much work are you going to get done as
a logger by yourself without a team with you? Yeah too,
You're in the middle of the fucking woods by yourself. Like,
even if you're confident by yourself, shit still happens where
you could get hurt and then what are you gonna
(16:13):
like you slip and fall and break your leg. You're
fucked right.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Yeah, Well, so he was found killed at the job
site at the job sEH, Yes, like he hadn't come
back in a while, so people went to search for
him because they knew like he was alone out there,
and they found him. He was struck in the head
by like a heavy piece of logging equipment. Okay, so
(16:39):
it was like it's like I'm imagining. I think it
was like kind of like a not a log splitter.
I guess did they have those back like a wet
or something maybe, Yeah, but it was something like so
big that like one person could not have lifted it themselves.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Okay, so we're talking like he was struck in the
head with Yeah, we're talking about a piece of equipment
that either fell or something happened where he wasn't paying
attention or was hit he was hit by it by
something like it just didn't you know, he didn't just
bunk his head on it, you know.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
And yeah, he didn't just trip and fall intof like
the way the injury was. I guess it was like
seemed like something I don't somehow it had well hit him.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
And I did they classify it as just a death
or did they classify it as like a murderer?
Speaker 1 (17:31):
I don't know. It was nineteen thirty one, Okay, I mean,
he's just one of the mysterious.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Deaths I see.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Okay, I mean they do say murders now. I guess
they call them all like murders, but I don't know
at the time. Yeah, okay, here's a good story that
you might not like. Also nineteen thirty one, there was
a prospector who came to town and he asked, Yeah,
(17:59):
he asked locals where a good stream to look for
gold was, and then he found a root that's like
further up in the mountains. So he went there with
his pack mule, and then they're never seen again, is
the story?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Well, and to kind of heart. Back to what I
said earlier, like you are in the wilderness and there
are animals out there, especially bears, And I mean as
far as like a pack mule goes in that sort
of terrain, like they're not gonna be able to move
fast like a bear can just you know, come across
that country like it's nothing. It wouldn't be unheard of,
or I mean something is even as simple as just
(18:37):
getting turned around and getting lost. Yeah, you know, because
if you get lost out there especially he said this
was thirty one, Like dude, they're like, who's going to
come find you?
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah? Right, Well, and I was also thinking maybe he
just went to the next town or something.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Well that could be too. I mean, if it's just
a random prospector like nobody like has any skin in
the game as far as is keeping accountability of this guy.
He's just a driftic yeah you know.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Oh yeah, so I don't know, but that was one
of the stories. And then that is this guy Tom Larsen.
He spots a big hairy creature on the beach that
was eating fish out of a fish trap. So he
said that he went out from his cabin in the
early morning to go gather the fish, like from the
(19:24):
fish trap, and like there's this bend. So when he
turned the bend to go to the beach, he saw
what he did think was a bear at first, like
stealing fish. But then once he got a little closer,
he saw that it had hands like a human's, he said,
And it was like eating the fish like whole, like
the bones and everything. Do bears do that?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I don't know, No, no, no, they just pin it down
and rip.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, So it was just like shoving the whole thing
into its mouth and eating old fish in one fight.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Hey, I mean, you gotta gotta get it while you can.
You know, it's it's survival the fittest. You got to
get your food as quick as can see. That's the
thing I was going to ask. I kind of do
like that story a little bit because it adds some
validity that he thought it was a bear until he
got closer. It wasn't one of those like I just
saw like something dart off in the woods and it
(20:15):
was bigfoot. You know. It's like yeah, until I saw
it just you know, shoving fish down its throat with
hands right, you know, everything was I was about to
just go yell at it, you know, hey, bear it
and call it good, right.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, and he said he did, like when he went
to get his gun, thinking like if he killed it,
then that would be proof because he had heard these stories,
so he's thinking, look, oh, if I kill it, then
that's proof of this creature. So when he came back
with his gun, it was still there and he was
ready to shoot it. But then like the creature kind
of heard like the gun cocking or whatever and looked
(20:53):
at him, and he said that he saw like human
expression of like sadness from this creek. Sure, so he
couldn't kill.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Sir, I'm just trying to eat my fish.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, he just said it looked too human, so he
couldn't actually kill it. And then he backed away slowly
and like just went home.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Well, there is such a thing as the down in
my neck of the woods called the Tennessee wild Man.
So maybe it's the maybe it's the Alaskan wild man.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I mean, maybe it's like some vagabond person that's
just in forty eight, large human like tracks were found
on a trail and then they found hunters' bodies like
mutilated in the lagoon. So like they said, the hunters
went out to the woods, they never came out again.
(21:43):
And then people think that their bodies must have gone
into the river and then dumped out into the lagoon
closer to town. Yeah, and they said that. Yeah, they
said it was like their bodies were dismembered and like shredded,
so that I don't know, maybe.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
See that might that might be like a bear attack,
because if they came across like a mom and her cubs,
it's not going to eat you. It's just gonna fuck
you up. Yeah, And once it thinks you're not a
threat anymore, it's going to leave you alone. So and
I mean, if they got dumped out into a lagoon
(22:23):
coming across a mother and cubs at a water source,
I mean, that wouldn't be uncommon to think about. So yeah,
I mean I'm just trying to trying to think. It's
like that's the only bad thing I don't like about
some of these stories, especially from like way back in
the early nineteen hundreds. It's it's just like, oh, we
found these guys and they were fucked up, like.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, right, and then you know, yeah, there's no pictures
or whatever, right. Yeah, So in nineteen forty nine, so
this is like right before they like left, I guess
there was these group of hunters that was following a
moose and then they noticed like these eighteen inch long
(23:05):
tracks that were also following this moose. So they thought, like,
whatever this is also like hunting it for food. And
then they came to like a small clearing and they
said there was like literally blood everywhere, but there were
no like moose tracks left, and there were no no
like moose parts of the body in there, but just
(23:26):
blood everywhere. And then the eighteen inch tracks like led
further into the mountains. So I guess it grabbed like
picked it up or something.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah. I killed the moose and just threw it over
its shoulders, and it was like come on, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
I mean there was I don't know, that's like scary.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Well that's what I was about to say. I mean,
I don't know how much moose ways, but it's it's
not a light animal. It's massive, right. Oh yeah, if
it could, if something could just pick it up and
just call it good, I mean, okay, there you go.
Males moose will weigh anywhere from eight hundred and forty
to fifteen hundred pounds females will weigh anywhere from four
(24:07):
hundred and forty to eleven hundred pounds.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, and they're bigger than a car.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah yeah, they're massive.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You know, you're not just throwing that thing over your shoulder,
even if you're a big foot or a big girl
or whatever. The cryptid is up here, right.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yeah, so then you know, after that, the town's abandoned
the postmaster. While he was there, he said, while he
was living there alone, he saw something stalking him from
the tree line, like every day until he left.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
See listen, that's what I'm okay, bigfoot, bear, wolf, whatever
it may be. You're there by yourself, and if I
saw something just fucking hanging out checking me out every
single day, dude, I'd be like, hey, it's time to go.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yeah yeah. I don't really know why he stayed there
that long, or like maybe he had to for the
no one's getting post but I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Well, yeah he's gonna say, who's the fox's getting mailed there?
I don't know, or maybe he was forwarding it to
whoever whatever, you know, what what's yeah, what's there saying rain, sleet,
snow or whatever? You know, Yeah, stalking cryptids in the woods.
I'm going to deliver this fucking.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Mail, right, Yeah, he took it seriously. Hey, So, yeah,
like there's still stories after the town's abandoned. So nineteen
sixty eight, a hunter in that area was chased out
of a goalie and he said it was some unknown
creature that he had never seen before. Any description of it, no,
(25:40):
just that that he ran away because he was chased
by something. Well, he's a hunter, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, I mean once again, though, I mean, if he
is a hunter, I'll give the guy the benefit of
the doubt. In that area, he's familiar with the wildlife,
and if it was a moose that chased him out,
he would have said, a moose fucking charged me and
I ran out of there. Or if it was a
bear that chased him out, he'd been like this massive
kodiak just chased me out of here, and I'm lucky
to be alive.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Right the fact, he says an unknown creature, But I
don't know. It could just be a story obviously. Yeah.
In nineteen seventy three, hunters take took refuge in the
area from a storm and they said they heard something
that sounded by Peedle, like walking around their tent for
like the two nights they were stuck there during this storm.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Hum.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
So that's all we have on that.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Well. And the thing is, I have to imagine that
these stories have probably you know, permeated. If you're at
the last town before you go in that area, they're like, oh, hey,
watch out for the Bigfoot or whatever, you know what
I mean. Yeah, it could have been something as simple
as a psychological trick they were playing on themselves, or
there are animals there, And like I said, i'd be
(26:55):
I'd wonder what you mean what they meant by it
sounded by peedele.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Right, Yeah, I was wondering that too. Can you hear that?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
I guess, I mean, I guess, I guess yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
But also it's storming, how much I really.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Sure if it's If it's storming, most of these animals
are not trying to make their presence known. They're trying
to either hunt or avoid being hunted. So yeah, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
In the nineteen eighties, another group of hunters said they
were screamed at in the area, like they couldn't see
the thing, but just to scream. Yeah, and they didn't
know what the scream. I mean they said they had
never heard that kind of scream before, you know where
like foxes scream like something in that. But they said
(27:42):
they'd never had heard of that sound before.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Well, and I mean fox scream does sound like almost
like a child screaming, I think would be the best way.
It's very high pitched.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Like a well a woman, I guess too.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
It doesn't say if it was like a low pitch
or high pitch or it just said they were screamed at.
But also in the nineteen eighties, the town was officially
wiped off. The census took.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
A why on postmaster. Yeah, all the marril was forwarded.
He completed his duty.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah. In nineteen ninety, an Anchorage paramedic was called out
to aid a seventy year old like Native person who
had suffered a heart attack, but he was incarcerated in
like the jail like by Anchorage. But like while while
the paramedic was treating the guy, he said he mentioned
(28:40):
like he had hunted in the area of Port Lock before,
and then the elderly man like suddenly like sat up
and like grabbed him and said, did it bother you?
Did you see it? So I like, that's because he's
like seventy I guess if he had been living.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
There so well. To be fair, I don't claim to
know that we know everything in this world, right. I
think most of the time there is a logical explanation
for things. But I think there are there are things
(29:16):
that we don't quite understand in this world too. And
to have a reaction like that after a heart attack,
you would think obviously something happened to him where he
had to say that, you know what I mean. Now,
I don't think he would just fake that reaction, especially
after while you're being treated for a heart attack.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
So yeah, something traumatic maybe, right, Okay, So twenty fourteen,
there's been researchers like going to the area and stuff.
So someone went there to explore and looking for the creature,
and they played a recording of a baby crying, which
caused the trees to start shaking from some like invisible force.
(30:02):
They said, I don't know, because it's just started because
the baby's cried, so the trees are just chaky, And
the researcher also said, well it was later The researcher
was later told by a local that there's a white
bigfoot scene in the area a lot, but of course
there was no video or photo. It's probably big Girl
(30:24):
the researcher.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Yeah, was supposedly. Yeah, I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Her cousin, her Alaskan cousin.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Or she's got a summer home up in Port Lock.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah, she just travels there interdimensionally, that's right.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, yeah, I forget.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, that'll be fun. See they kind of sound like fairies.
That's like what fairies do right now, big Foot's just fairy.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Well Okay, So, like I kind of said, though, I
don't think we completely understand. I think we have a
halfway decent understanding of the natural world in which we
can see, touch, interact, study, measure, stuff like that, but
I think there is part of that that we don't understand,
and having something like I mean, they've they theorize that
(31:20):
there are multiple dimensions, and if there are multiple dimensions,
and if a creature has the innate ability to navigate those,
there's no reason why it couldn't. But yeah, I mean,
I'm kind of going into the woo right now a
little bit. But if you can go in between dimensions
like time and traveling, distance doesn't really mean anything to you.
(31:45):
So I mean maybe it very well could be. Big
girl is going down to the Bradshaw Ranch, eating some food,
flipping some plates over, and then shooting up to Port
Lock and getting some more fish and just shoving them
down her face and looking sad when somebody points a
gun at her.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Right. Well, she she was pregnant, right, so she has children,
that's true. Oh, she doesn't want to die. She's got
to take care of her babies in the other dimension.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Maybe that's why she was swallowing the fishes whole. It's
just like a mix between like an ape and a
part that just throws up in their fucking mouth.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Yeah. Maybe. Okay, So twenty eighteen, Extreme Expeditions Northwest traveled
to the area to film a documentary, and they also
filmed a TV series in twenty nineteen, but I did
not watch that one. I watched the twenty eighteen. Yeah. Well,
the twenty eighteen documentary you could find it on YouTube,
(32:43):
but spoiler alert, it was not very evidence heavy, no way. Yeah. So, well,
there is like one thing that they say, wait till
you see us, here we go. Okay, they said this
(33:05):
blob thing was a creature Jesus. Yeah, so this is
a Fleer thermal camera image, and they said there was
something standing between the trees, which I don't even see
like trees. Really maybe this is a tree, but they said.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
There's a handful I can kind of make out out
of that Fleer image.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
But yeah, yeah, they said it was clearer when they
first saw it on the thing, but then when it
became up part of the documentary, it looks like this. Yeah.
And also they said everyone on the team saw it
like walking because this is like a still image. So
while it was like walking and moving with its arms
like up and down like when you're walking, they said
(33:48):
that was more clear, but like this is the image
that they show, So this, this blob.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
This is why nobody believes people. Yeah, you know what
I mean. And it's like it's like the alien thing
and that's the only thing. Like I am so all
in with aliens, and I guarantee you I would be
all in with Bigfoot if we this is in you
said twenty eighteen. Yeah, there is no fucking reason with
(34:18):
you going out with a production crew and cameras that
that's the best fucking.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Thing you got, right, Yeah, it was pretty disappointing. They
also heard tree knockings, which that's like classic. Yeah, and
they also found some kind of imprint in the moss
I guess. But the problem they said it was fourteen
inches long. This is the photo, so you can kind
(34:42):
of see some like snapped wood and like maybe an
impression next to.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Their that's a I don't know man, right.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Like the area is really mossy, like marshy. Yeah, so
it's like really hard to tell anything there too. I
feel like it's like you're making a foot come out
because of like where those shrapnels or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Yeah, the broken sticks and stuff. Yeah, I feel like
that's kind of what it is. I think it's probably
just something natural that when you look at it, you're
trying to associate something to it, right.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Like we do with faces.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Yeah right, yeah, it's now no, you're wrong very well.
Could be the problem once again, I have is if
this is the evidence that you're presenting to me, it's like, dude,
I'm going to need a little bit more. You gotta
give me something.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, I mean, you go out with that and you
bring just back those two things.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
So yeah, but they also said one of the researchers
said while they were walking, she like saw something like
peeking out from a tree watching them, but like they
didn't get that on camera, and they also couldn't find
that like using the fleer like while she was saying
she saw that.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
So yeah, So my thing is, like I said, you
have all the technology at your disposal. You know, I
can buy the stories from the nineteen it's the early
nineteen hundreds, even into the nineteen fifties. Got it. You
can't tell me you have evidence when you went with
a production crew and you don't present evidence, right, you know,
(36:26):
like you you at that point you are giving you
have every mode of success going for you. You have
everything you could possibly have. Yeah, and that's the thing,
and you still all you get is stories. And I
think that's the reason why like the bigfoot thing or
the yetty thing has never really been my thing just
because of that. It's always the same thing. We're going
(36:47):
to go out here, We're going to waste your time
for an hour and a half watching the stupid ass,
fucking documentary and I'm going to show you the most
like fuzzy distorted whatever told you. And it's the last
two minutes of the fucking episode.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
It's like, yeah, yeah, it's pretty disappointing. But there's like
one weird thing kind of in the area of Portlock
that I guess they saw it during this documentary too,
But a lot of people say, like, you know, there's
lots of evidence of bear activity and like there's like
poop and there's like a bunch of berries around, but
like all the berries are gone because the bears eat
(37:24):
it all and you can see like the bedding and stuff.
But then when they got to like the lagoon side,
there was like no bear poop at all. There were
unpicked berries literally like everywhere, Like it's like there was
a line of like a territory that they couldn't like cross.
That's because like all the berries were still there, like
so much food.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah, it was weird. And the thing with bears is
the only thing I think bears are really worried about
our other bears. Yeah, and even then it's just like no,
we're just gonna fight and see who wins sort of thing.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
And they would the other bears would eat the berries.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, yeah, so like there wouldn't be like just a
random spot of food. Especially, Like it's even weird too
because there are other animals that would eat those berries.
It's not just bears.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Yeah, so some people are saying, yeah, that that's like
the Bigfoot territory, that like all the animals know not
to go there, I guess, And Bigfoot doesn't care about berries.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
I guess it likes the way they look.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Yeah, it's decorative.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Yeah, it's decorative. Don't touch my shit. But no, I
mean I, like I said, I'm not still buying into
the Bigfoot thing, but that that is a very very
interesting detail that there's a like kind of a line
drawn in the sand, because, like I said, usually animals
don't give a shit unless there's a reason to give.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
A shit, right, Yeah. There's also a TV series in
twenty twenty one called Alaskan Killer Bigfoot, and this is
like where some needid Yeah, well, because people blame it
for the murders.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Oh of Port Locke, I'm assuming yeah yeah right.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
But yeah, some natives like go back to Port Lock
I guess because they're like villages running out of space
and resources, so they go to that area to see
how dangerous it really is or whatever, since they like
grew up with the stories of Port Lock. Right, it
was like eight episodes, though I didn't watch it. Also,
I read a lot of it like felt more like
(39:29):
scripted like reality TV, Like I don't know if they
actually find anything or whatever.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
I can so yeah, I can give an educated guest
and say.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Most likely no, right, yeah, that's why I don't want
to watch it. But it is interesting that like natives
go and they talk a little bit about like the
stories that they grew up with from their family and
who used to live there and all that. But yeah,
the locals in the area, they have like a legend
(40:01):
of a bigfoot, but they call it a non toonock okay, yeah,
which that kind of translates to like big hairy man
or like half man half beast, and they say like
that creatures live there forever, and they think that is
what was terrorizing like Port Locke because it was too
close to like its territory, like I only Doon. Yeah yeah,
(40:27):
so yeah. One of the tales of the Nntinock is
there was a hunter who asked to be dropped off
on the beach in the Chatham Berrier area and then
he told his companions not to wait for him, and
he was going to go into the woods to become
a nontonock. Is what the legend is. And then he
was later seen in Port Graham and he told everyone
(40:50):
to keep his wife away from him or he might
take her away to live as a nontanock with him.
Like he was becoming part beast.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Okay, I got yeah, I gotcha. So he wasn't already,
he was in the process of the transformation.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Right, Yeah, like he that's kind of the origin story,
I guess, like he went out into the woods and
became like a half beast and almost they Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
I'm sorry, it almost sounds like like the skin Walker
story of how like you know, like, yeah, you have
to like go out and become it, right, anything that's
that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Yeah, And I mean he said he was going to
be in the area for a long time and he
didn't want to see any He didn't want anyone to
see him while he was growing the fur.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
I guess, you know, it's that's understandable, man. You know,
you start getting hair in weird places and you don't
want to talk to anybody, you know, get a little
angsty and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Right, I mean is that just like the lichen throp
what is that where? Yeah, but people are born with that.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yeah, that's a genetic mutation. I believe of where they
just have hair everywhere.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Right, But people said he fully transformed into a nontanoch
like years later and he could no longer understand human speech.
But they said he communicated through whistling, which is like
weird that some of these other people heard like whistling,
But that's kind of the tale that they tell like
children and for the local people.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
It took him years to do that though.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Yeah that sucks, so it says, and now he's forever
non Tanoch in the area. I guess he's I don't
know if it's still like supposed to be him.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, I was going to say legend or is it
like did he like, hey, there you go, this is
the love story really needed. Did he steal his wife
while he was the nock tokock and transform her and
now they're just you know, they're like the Adam and
Eve of the Alaskan Yettes, right.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
Yeah, they're the origin. Yeah, I don't know, so, I
mean that's kind of all the stories. There's people who
are saying the town was abandoned naturally and not through
Bigfoot or whatever, because a lot of people said the
Alaska Route one highway was completed shortly before it was
(43:19):
abandoned and that it didn't need to be a town anymore.
But I don't know about that, Like that was complete
in nineteen forty two and they abandoned it nineteen forty nine.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah. Well, and the other thing too, is you had
a port city that obviously had resources that could have
been pretty successful as far as bringing stuff inland according
to what Yeah, you know you've said, so I don't
know the whole like natural. And the other thing is
(43:51):
like to kind of go back to the beginning, forty
five murders is or missing people or whatever they want
to classify it as, that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Of people, yeah, like over two years.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Yeah, I mean I can't imagine it was Like I wonder,
do you know, like offhand, what the population was like
at its peak or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
No, I'm gonna try to find it really well.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
I mean I can't imagine, Well, it's all good. I
can't imagine it would be a lot though.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
No, I wouldn't think so, So I don't know. Yeah.
I mean some people are saying too that the murders
like never happened, but I don't think that's true. I mean,
people like online you know, are saying that's all made
up or whatever, but there's people like the Native people
that talk about it unless they're all lying, Like, well, yeah,
(44:44):
I feel like that's true.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, it's not like a I don't feel like this
is like a Slenderman situation or it was just like
made up and now everybody believes it. I feel like
there has to be some level of truth to that. Now,
maybe them not might have been inflated, but yeah, I
would still have been a pretty significant amount of people
for people to still talk about it.
Speaker 1 (45:08):
Right, Yeah, this says, well, this says when it first
kind of started in nineteen forty, there were thirty one people,
So I assumed there was like a boom because of
all the industry, but maybe like a couple hundred maybe, Well.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
That's what most I feel like, Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like,
if you if you had two hundred people, let's say
two hundred people, was cap that that place topped out
at You're talking a fourth of those people in two
years either killed or disappeared, Like that's insane. If you
took that metric to any other city, just now just
(45:43):
a fourth of the people were murdered, people would be like,
holy shit, what the fuck is happening?
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah, that would be insane. Also, the chromite mine, it
did stop producing shortly after World War Two, so this
would kind of coincide with when it was shut down.
But like it was that one, like they still had logging,
they still had fishing. Like, I don't see how it
would totally shut down just because.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
That was Yeah, I could see a decline for sure
of the actual miners that were mining that mineral, for sure,
but as far as like the logging and fishing well,
and maybe because it was kind of isolated from what
you said, and the terrain might have played into the
logging aspect and maybe even the fishing part of it.
It's like, well, we're fine for our city or our town,
(46:29):
but we can't really get it anywhere that could.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
They'd have to ship it right right, Yeah, And I
guess with the highway, maybe people moved more because that's
by like Homer and other ones, So maybe they just
moved to the other side of the bay or something.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, probably that could be it.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, but yeah, I mean the stories of like the
non Toanoch and then like the creature thing in the
early nineteen hundreds, like that was before the like bigfoot
craze too. Yeah, of, like the Patterson film came out
in nineteen sixty seven, he was already abandoned by then. Yeah,
(47:11):
so I feel like they weren't making it up necessarily,
but I mean people might later, I guess, have made
up some of these.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
But yeah, I kind of have a theory about the
bigfoot thing though.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
So I'm going to share my screen with you real quick, Sarah. Okay, Okay,
So I'm gonna give you some context. First. This animal
went extinct about between ten and eleven thousand years ago,
so we were around when this fucking thing was around. Okay, listeners,
if you are listening, we are looking at a short
faced bear. There are four individuals standing around the short
(47:50):
face bear, and they are the bear is standing on
its hind legs and the people are anywhere probably average
sized males, anywhere from five to five to six foot,
and they are at their hip its hip.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Yeah, that is insane, insane.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
The thing that I kind of was thinking about this
with the short faced bear is these things were real
prevalent towards the end of the last ice Age and
when we were crossing the bearing sea on the ice bridge, Yeah,
into Alaska and stuff from you know, Russia, Eurasia, that
sort of area. So uh like yeah, if stories were
(48:30):
passed down and that's how information was shared from generation
to generation to generation, somebody encountered those fucking animals. Yeah,
and yeah, it's a mythical fucking beast because it's a
bear that's almost three times the size of a normal
fucking bear.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
Oh my god, that would be crazy. I mean it's
like the giant slot thing too, right, Yeah, wow, yeah,
I mean that could be the origin story for sure
of the Nontenach.
Speaker 2 (49:02):
Well, and it's like a similariated like you know how
like we have like an innate fear of like falling
as humans, you know, like like regardless of age, even
children are scared to fall. Children are also scared of
monsters with sharp teeth. Well, I sincerely believe that is
from when we were being preyed upon by predators monsters
(49:26):
with sharp teeth.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah. So nice. Well that's all I have. What do
you think you like any of I mean, you liked
one of the stories.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
I think maybe I do. I do like the kind
of like the line in the sand sort of thing
with the territory that that was really interesting.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Yeah, that's the really weird part.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Now, like the murders and stuff like that. I mean,
at that point in history, it was like it had
to have been like the new wild West up there,
Like there were really no rules, yeah, you know, right,
and like who going to enforce it? You know? And
you said they did have a pool haul, so I'm
assuming they had some sort of alcohol up there. You know,
(50:09):
these people that are prospecting, mining, doing whatever. I mean, dude,
they're working their ass off all day and they get
drunk and then you know, start talking shit to each other.
Next thing, you know, one of them goes to leave
and guy just you know, kills them or something, you know, right, Yeah,
I don't know. But the thing with I think we
(50:29):
over I think we overhype certain things in our culture
based off of what we've experienced in the past. Like
we have an innate fear of being in the woods.
I think that's because of predators. I think that's because
when we were hunter gatherers, we were fighting fucking bears
and wolves and you know, lions on the Sahara and
(50:53):
stuff like like that's what we had to do to
survive and It's the same thing with like in you know,
Europe in the early entries, you know, like fighting wolves
like no shit, having to fight off wolves like Yeah.
I kind of think that's where a lot of these
stories come from, is just us coming up as human
beings and having to fight off animals and having a
(51:15):
better understanding of it. I I don't think that we
can't get away from that mystique of it, so we
instead of associated with a bear or a lion or
a tiger or wolf or whatever, we have something new
to put it on. That's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, especially if you don't really see it, but you
kind of hear something, then you just i mean you
think of like anything, and it's just becomes bigger than
it is.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
So yeah, I mean I've been out in the woods
so many times, and you know, I've seen things that
probably weren't real just because my mind playing tricks on
me and hearing things out in the woods. I mean,
especially in some of those areas, like the way that
sound travels kind of screws with you a little bit too.
So I don't know, I'm not a I'm not a
(52:03):
huge proponent of the bigfoot thing, especially after what was
the what was the name of the film again? You
said it once, the Patterson Yeah, the Patterson film. I
mean that's pretty widely accepted. That's faked. I mean that's
a dude in a suit.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Right, and that kicked it off.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah. Yeah, And in every documentary I've seen since then
has been the same fucking thing, Like, just a dude
walking in the woods. What do you Oh, we hear it,
we hear it, and it's like, listen, nothing, I don't
hear anything. Right, here's the evidence. Here's the picture of
the footprint the ground. I don't see anything there, you know.
Speaker 1 (52:42):
So yeah, it's fair. But I mean that's I used
to be afraid of Bigfoot because I Bigfoot would be
in my dreams all the time. What Yeah, I always
had dreams with Bigfoot, like growing up. So I was
afraid of Bigfoot. Now I think I'm okay, But.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Well, I mean, to be fair, if there was an
apex ape like creature living in the woods that possessed
you know, I mean, hell, even twice the strength of
a normal human being like that would be terrifying.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yeah, they're gonna just throw boulders and whatever.
Speaker 2 (53:19):
Yeah, that would be absolutely terrifying. Now, by playing Devil's Advocate,
you would find bodies, you would find hard evidence, you
would find some sort of something. There would be something,
and I know everybody likes to go the interdimensional route,
which I mean sure that could be one hundred percent true,
(53:39):
but you would still have something a little better than
a shitty fleer image or a shot of the ground
with your foot next to supposedly a footprint. Right, yeah,
I don't know. Nice, Okay, well, listeners, you let me know,
let Sarah know, Let us both know what you guys
think about bigfoot? Have you seen a bigfoot? What if
(54:02):
you've seen a bigfoot? I need you to send us
an email, shoot us a DM on wherever you're interacting
with this, and dude, I would love to know about it.
If you have, like the moststro cliss I can't talk
clear a picture of a bigfoot, send it to us.
I want to see it, and we you know what,
even if you play your cards right, we'll have you
on the fucking show to talk about it. All right,
(54:24):
I want to see it. But that's going to wrap
up today's episode. Anywhere you're interacting with this, be sure
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Speaker 1 (54:43):
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