Ep. 19- Vanished in Bloomington: The Lauren Spierer Case

On June 3, 2011, 20-year-old Lauren Spierer vanished after a night out in Bloomington, Indiana. Despite national media attention, numerous searches, and years of speculation, her case remains unsolved.

In this episode, we walk through the timeline of that night, the people involved, and the theories that have emerged—ranging from accidental overdose cover-ups to darker, more calculated scenarios. Why did key witnesses lawyer up so quickly? What surveillance footage is missing? And how has Lauren’s family kept pushing for answers after more than a decade of silence?

Join us as we untangle one of the most haunting missing persons cases of the 21st century.

If you have any information, you can contact [e-mail], or the Bloomington Police Department Tipline at 812-339-4477, or Beau Dietl private investigator Michael Ciravolo at 212-557-3334.

Extra Intel:
College Girl, Missing by Shawn Cohen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Lauren_Spierer

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com forward Slash The Paranoid Perspective podcast. Welcome back to

(01:18):
the Paranoid Perspective. I am Jake, I'm Sarah. Today we're
getting into a yet another missing person thing. Sarah. I
think you've got some weird like, you know, obsession with
missing people? Is that a thing?

Speaker 1 (01:33):
I just want them to be found?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
There you go, Okay, that's We'll err on the side
of caution and go with that one. So who are
we talking about today, Sarah?

Speaker 1 (01:43):
So today we're talking about Lauren Spear, who went missing
in twenty eleven and she was an IU student Indiana University.
I never say the whole thing, but I you for
those who don't know, but yeah, she was twenty at
the time of her disappearent and I did not know
her well.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
So listeners, I made a joke before we started recording,
and I was like, well, did you happen to know
this girl? And obviously she doesn't, but you know, I was.
I was about to inform the authorities if she did,
because I feel like we have a common trend here
and it happens to be the post of a podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, you would tell on your system.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, it just depends on the circumstances, I suppose.
But with two missing people, uh yeah, you know, I
love you, but listen.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, she was a little older than me because she
was twenty and twenty eleven and I was in junior year.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
So oh yeah, yeah, you weren't even in high school.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, yeah, she's more your age. So but yeah, so
she this happened on June third, so like during the
summer time. She wasn't in classes or anything, but she
went out partying with friends. I you as notorious as
a party school yep. And she's seen with an acquaintance

(03:05):
on the way back to his townhouse and then she's
never seen again. We're going to get into it.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
So in the span of I'm assuming, I don't know
the story, I'm going to be, you know, pretty transparent.
I'm assuming in the span of a walking distance from
wherever they were at to Oh okay, So.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, I mean she goes into his townhouse.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Oh okay.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Then yeah, and then she's never seen again. She's never
seen leaving that area.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
So okay.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah. Yeah. She was born on January seventeenth, nineteen ninety one.
She's originally from Scarsdale, New York, which is like close
to New York City. So she had a boyfriend, Jesse Wolfe,
who she met when she was seventeen at a Jewish
summer camp. I'm sure, yeah, Camp Towanda in Pennsylvania. So

(03:59):
when she graduated in two thousand and nine. She decided
to follow Jesse to IU for college.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
That's always a smart move. Why would you do that?
I'm sorry, I don't made a derail, but that's so dumb.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
And I mean it happens all the time.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Yeah, and usually not well.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
No, yeah, sometimes people make it, but yeah, usually it's
not a good idea. But she was studying textiles merchandising.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
I guess that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, I know. But she also had long QT, which
is a genetic heart disorder that causes fluttering, arrhythmias and
bouts of like severe drops and blood pressure, which she
usually didn't tell many people. Like she still played sports
and she would still do like other vigorous activity even

(04:53):
though she had this disorder, so she like didn't really
let it hold her back, I guess, and like only
her closest friends knew that she had those.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Uh well, like her family.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, I mean, with with something like that, I mean,
as long as I think you're monitoring it, it shouldn't
be that big of a deal. I would think any
sort of pharmaceutical drugs or especially alcohol would not be
a good you know, idea to consume large quantities of
that with that sort of ailment.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
But yeah, so in high school, she was already starting
to mix in with the wrong type of people. And
she was an avid drinker.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
As one does in high school. Not the drugs and alcohol,
the wrong type of people. I think we've all right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, you don't know who to trust and stuff.
But she did get into drinking and drug use even
though she had this disorder. But before her parents allowed
her to go away to like IU, they she had
to attend a six week rehab program try to address
the issue.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Well, I'm gonna play I'm gonna look at it from
another side too. It was it was it really like
she was like an addict or was it more of
her parents were like super conservative and controlling, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean from the way she
partied at IU, I would say it was a little
bit of an addictive personality maybe, but I don't know her.
I don't well sure details, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
That just seems really extreme too.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
I mean not saying that people don't fall into that addiction,
but I don't know. That just seems kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
And I don't even know like what drugs exactly.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Well, that's what I'm saying. Are we talking about Yeah?
Are we talking about just smoking weed and drinking beer?
But because like if that's the case, like that's okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
No, we're not tired just that. Nope. I mean when
the day she disappeared, some of her friends said what
she took, So we'll get to that later. But it
was not just like we did or wine or whatever.
But yeah, I mean her parents were concerned about her use,
so that was the only way they were going to
let her go follow her boyfriend to AYU. So she

(07:14):
did complete the program before she left. Yeah, And I
was just going to say, like, are you Bloomington specifically?
It's like in the top twenty schools of all of
the US as a party school.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
It's like there is.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, so it is a little interesting. Even though she
did that rehab program that like she was allowed to go,
maybe they didn't know that's going to stay party school.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
But I don't think it's like I think it's well known,
but I don't think it's like universally known.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Right, And they're New York, so they probably don't care
or know anything about.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
That Yeah, there's only cornfields and rednecks out there, you
know what I mean, that's where.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
The cool parties have been.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Very true.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
So her boyfriend Jesse Wolf, was part of a Jewish fraternity,
Alpha Epsilon Pie, and they ended up that fraternity was
like booted out of the fraternity systemause they had some
misconduct and stuff, but they still got together often like

(08:22):
as if they were still a fraternity.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
But it was like, so I got you, I got
you got.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
I don't know, I don't know, but that happened to
one of the places, one of the fraternities at my
school too while I was there.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Because what happened at your school then.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Like a lot of I don't know, like sexual assault
and drugs and yeah, and like underage it was like
a big problem.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
So yeah, that would do it.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, So I don't know what happened with that fraternity
with them, but a lot of these people, like the
men and this fraternity came from the New York area,
so they're also called flds like fucking Long Island douchebags,
which apparently they were fine with. They didn't, I mean,

(09:12):
like it necessarily.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
I was about to say, wow, that's a that sounds
like a racial slayer And I don't mean to laugh,
but man, that really is That's a good one. That
is a good one. I guess it's not really racial.
It's more of a what would the word for, like
a location? Can you be like biased towards located? What
would that be anyway?

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well, because that's like not even as a state.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
That's what I'm saying. Okay, yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Sure, but yeah, they were not maybe the best group
of guys, but like I feel like a lot of
fraternity guys maybe aren't the best.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
But yeah, I mean, for the most part, I feel
like I don't want to generalize, but everybody has that.
When you say frat boy, you automatically have a mental
picture in your head of just some bro douchebag that
drinks too much and you know, likes to be an asshole.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah. But he also had a jealous streak, and he
was already talking about marrying Lauren even though she was twenty.
He was like twenty two, I think. Okay, so she
wasn't ready. She told him that all the time, and
she felt increasingly stifled by the relationship. But I don't know,

(10:32):
he was a little overbearing, I guess, and like sometimes
guys would flirt with her and then he'd get jealous
and like blow up on her for the guy flirting
with her.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
So oh, dude, blow up on the dude. What are
you doing man?

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Right? Yeah, So I don't know, but I guess. A
week before her disappearance, a group of them went to
the Indy five hundred, So Lauren went with them, and
it was like some of the frat well not the
frat guys. Some of her other friends went, but her
boyfriend was in Atlanta isn't a friend at the time,
so he couldn't go, but like he would talk to

(11:06):
Lauren and then he also received updates from his fraternity
brothers who were also at Indy five hundred, but like
they saw Lauren, but they did weren't part of her group.
Then yeah, yeah, one of them told him that she
was wearing like a riskue outfit and I really yeah,

(11:28):
and I guess it was a blue this is what
she wore. It was a blue Barack Obama T shirt
that was like scissor cut, you know, like trend into
a tank top that was showing parts of her bra
because of the way that style is okay, and that
they called that risk.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
So listeners for those that might not know, the FID
is a pretty big deal and it's it never fails.
It's like the hottest day of summer when it happened. Yeah,
every single year, it doesn't matter. It's so hot there.
So yeah, tank tops, crop tops, tube tops, you're gonna see,

(12:07):
no shirt, you're gonna see all the above if you
go to the Indy five hundred. So a little scissor
cut T shirt with a little bit of her bra
showing is not anywhere close to risk. Ay.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, it was pretty ridiculous. But I guess also a
guy that went with her group, he was kind of
like an acquaintance, but he went with them, and I
guess he was flirting with her too. His name's Cory Rossman.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
He comes up later, that son of a bitch.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, but he was offering her liquor and cocaine, well,
hitting on her.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
As one as one does.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Right well, which apparently she did not reject taking well
either of those.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Yeah it's free.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Well yeah, but cocaine just got that heart thing.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's free.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, and she's twenty.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, we're young and wild.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
And also apparently on the drive back home. This guy,
Corey told Lauren's friend his name's David Roan, but he
told him that he wanted to fuck Lauren. And then
Ron said, well, she has a boyfriend, and then he
replied with I don't care, as she's.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Not as as college people do, well, not even college
people as just assholes do.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
So there you go, yeah yeah, And then I guess
her boyfriend texted her saying he heard she was dressed provocatively,
which she ended up yelling at his fraternity brothers for that,
and then that triggered a text fight that ha been
between Lauren and Jesse for over two days. They sent
over two hundred texts Jesus as a fight. Why didn't

(13:47):
there just.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Well that or just don't respond, just just let it
be what like?

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Oh anyway, But I guess they kind of made up
by the time they both saw each other again at IU.
So but that was kind of you know. The week
or two before she disappeared, and then the night of
her disappearance, her and her friend David went to their
friend Scott's house like party to watch the NBA Finals

(14:17):
between the Dallas Mavericks and the Miami Heat. So Lauren
was like trying to decide while she was there if
she wanted to hang out with Jesse or see this
new guy, Corey the asshole at a party that her
friend Jay Rosenbaum was hosting. He was also hosting that,
and then Jay was also with another friend that she

(14:38):
had met at the Camp Towanda place, so like, well, Jay,
that's who Jay was, so like they were close. They
knew each other since high school too, right, so he
was like the closest of her friends. And then this
other guy, David or whatever. But the other friends in
her group she had met like while at IU, so
it had only been like a year or two that
she knew them.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
So so she had one she had one person there
that she knew relatively well.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, I would say Jay for sure is the one
she knew them like the longest besides Jesse, but he
was he wasn't there. She was deciding to hang with
him or this other people. But and then her friend
David that she went with, she knew him pretty well,
but these other people she wasn't as close with. But

(15:26):
but she ended up drinking a bottle of wine on
an empty stomach at the first party as one does.
Then yeah, and then she went to Brian. This guy
Brian's apartment. He's not important.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Forget his name, She's already forgotten.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
She went to his apartment, which was a few floors
up which he was her drug connection, so she went
up there.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah you need those.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Right, So she went up there. Well, he was also
her roommate's boyfriend, so that's kind of how she knew him.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I see the connection though.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, So her and her friend David, like her best friend,
went up there. And while she went up there, she
ran into another guy friend from Long Island who sold xanax.
So I think she ended up asking if he would
sell any to her as well, and he didn't have
any because it was a slow season because the summer

(16:26):
people left. So that's what I said.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Okay, I didn't know there was a I didn't know
there was a peak season for xanax sales. I mean,
I guess, I.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Don't know he didn't have any, But but then he
was like, well, since like Lauren was a friend for
like you know, from Long Island, then he was gonna
hook her up. So he went to another friend to
see if he could get any for her. So while
he's trying to figure out if he could get any
xanax for her. She went to the other guy's place

(17:00):
and got cocaine from him.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
It's good sub.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, So like she took the cocaine from him. He
sold her a gram for forty dollars, and then her
and her friend David snorted a couple of lines like
while she was waiting for the xanax, Well, seen anything,
I guess. And she's already had a bottle of wine.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
So I mean, you don't really neat all those extra
calories anyway. You're here for a good time, not a long.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Time, right, Well, yeah, after what happened, I know. Yeah,
but her roommate was there, like since her roommates that
was her boyfriend's house or whatever, so she was there
and like told Lauren, like maybe don't mix drugs and
the alcohol, and like she was concerned for her, but
Lauren just said.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Back off, I do what I want.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, And I guess Lauren in their group, they said
she was known as someone who could go shot for
shot with people twice her size. Like she is a
tiny woman, So I don't know if I put her
height somewhere, I think she's like five to three.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, yeah, those are those are dangerous people, men and women,
because they get really they get interesting once they start
to get to that point because they are significantly more
drunk than you are, but they don't act like it. Right.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Yeah, it's a little scary sometimes, but yeah, I guess
only like her very very closest friends, which I would
say her roommate was one of those knew that she
had been ticketed by police for public intoxication and she
at that time she was required to attend AA meetings.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Oh wow, we're working.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
For well clearly, Well, just because you have to attend
doesn't mean you have to abide. Those are two different things.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Yeah, right, Yeah, as long as she doesn't quit car
in public again, I guess. Yeah. And I guess like
the last couple of months, like with the semester ending,
she had been stressed out and her friends said she
was losing weight and she looked pale. Ok, I'll do
that to you, Yeah, and her hair was thinning, So

(19:08):
I think she's drugs a lot. But then her long
Island friend came back. He didn't find any xanas, but
he did find four klonipin pills, so he said that
to Lauren and David. So after they already did cocaine,
Lauren and David went back to the NBA party and

(19:28):
they like pounded the tablets into powder and cut like
into eight lines and then they did two each. But
then David went to the bathroom and came back and
found that Lauren had snorted the rest. Oh so she
had six.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Just an overachiever.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yeah, so she's like fucked up. Well I don't know
how she's still, like, I don't know. But then after that,
she decided to go to Jay's house party where she
would see this new bag Cory that asked yea, and
David did go with her. So they arrived at the
party around twelve thirty. AM. Okay, so yeah where And

(20:09):
this isn't as just about Corey that wanted to get
with Lauren, and but Jay also warned him, you know,
don't do that, and like it. She's his friend and everything.
So I don't know he was there.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I was going to say, under the influence of what
she was taking. I don't think I don't think she
really gave a shit.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Yeah right, Yeah, So at the party, Corey made a
move on Lauren, but then she spilled a drink on herself,
so then he offered to throw her shirt into his
dryer at his apartment, which was right next door to Jay's.
So Lauren accepted and they left the party, just the
two of them and went to his candalus. Yeah, but

(20:56):
then Corey's roommate was also there, Mike Beth. So like
someone's there. I guess that's not like he's not drinking
or anything, a sober person.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
I don't really mean anything.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, but yeah, so at the other house, David wants
to leave and couldn't find Lauren because she went off
without saying anything, and so like he finally found her
at Corey's and like found her without her shirt on
because it was being washed or whatever. So then he

(21:29):
was like, Lauren, we're leaving, like get out of here,
like he's trying to get her to go, and he
like gave her her shirt back and said we're leaving,
and she didn't want to leave. But also the party
was ending anyway at Jay's, but I guess they were
thinking of going to Kilroy's Sports bar.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Yep, there many times.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah, yeah, I've been there like twice, but yeah, Corey
wanted to take Lauren to there, but David tried to
convince her to just like wind down for the night,
because at this point it's probably one or one pint
thirty am. Yeah, yeah, all right, and she's taken all
this stuff.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, but at the same time, man like, she's not
in any state to calm down. She's still raring to
go and gonna be raring to go for quite a while, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
So eventually David just gave up trying to convince her
and he left and uh, Corey took her to the bars. So,
and then David did text Lauren saying be careful and
let me know if you need me. At one am,
Corey and Lauren entered kil Royce, which is seen on

(22:46):
security footage, and Lauren was able to get in with
her fake ID. Corey was of age.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
So yeah, yeah, he was fine.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
And then at two twenty seven am, footage captured her
and Corey leaving the bar and she was stumbling as
she left, or as they loved, and she had left
her shoes at the bar. There's like an outdoor patio
area that had sands. She had left her shoes there,
and she also left her phone at the bar. Well,

(23:14):
she still had it's probably dead too.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I was gonna say, it could have been anything from
I mean, I've never left anything at bars, but I
know plenty of my friends that have left probably anything
you could possibly think of, from keys to like you said, shoes,
to phones, to the debit or credit card they have
paying for their tab, you know what I mean. That
happens all the time.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah, but she did have her wristlet on her which
had her key card for her apartment complex and her
ID still, so then they went to her apartment and
she was struggling to walk. At that point, she's like
seen on CCTV this whole time or whatever, but at

(24:00):
two thirty she's seen entering Smallwood Plaza apartments, which is
where she lives. And then four guys noticed her, and
one of them was a friend of Laurence, so he
you know, was he said hello, and she didn't seem
to recognize him, and she was, you know, fucked up,
not okay, So he like asked her what she was

(24:23):
doing and with this guy that he didn't recognize, like
some random guy, which then Corey said like she was
fine and that he's got her, and then they kind
of led into an altercation because the other guys were like, no,
she's clearly not fine and you don't got her.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Yeah, how are you? I'm going to tell you right now,
if I was friends and if I saw one of
my friends show up with some random dude and she
is fucked up, and some dudes just like, now, mind
your business. I'm beating the shit out of that dude
because he's clearly about he is clearly about to take
advantage of her in that state, right.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yeah, So they did have an altercation. One of the
guys did punch Corey in the face, which he fell
to the ground. But then after that the four guys
like fled worried that that was caught on camera that
they like punched him.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Dude, you've already committed, man, you have you can't half
ask something like that, man, right.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
So that left Lauren alone with Corey. So and then
after that, Corey decided to take her to his apartment
instead of hers, even though they're literally like right there.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Well, I mean, he did just get knocked on his
ass by friends that obviously lived there, so it's probably
what he was saying.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Left Lauren there.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
No, he's still got alterior motives.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
I know. Yeah, So at two forty eight am, they
see like the TV. The CCTV sees Lauren and Corey
leave the lobby and then they passed by a hotel
and a bank and a parking lot, and then they
went down a dark alley where like halfway there is
like another apartment complex. So Corey had some female friends

(26:08):
there who had been at Jay's party, so like he
tried to knock on their door and no one answered,
So then they left. Like, I guess he's trying to
get help. I don't know, because Lauren like can barely
walk from the CCTV, like he's having to carry her basically,
and she did fall a couple times. But yeah, they

(26:30):
went back to the parking lot. They had to stop
and she had to sit down on a nearby like
stairwell for a little bit because she couldn't walk, And
then she ended up hitting her head on the concrete
because Corey tried to like pick her up and she
like slipped and fell. So and then a witness there
was a woman who had just gone off as a bartender,

(26:52):
and she heard like Lauren hit her head on the concrete,
and she asked Lauren if she was okay, which Lauren
did not respond and then she said Lauren looked sweaty
and dazed, but Corey said she was just drunk. And
then he picked her up and carried her like down
the stairs toward an alley that led to his townhouse.

(27:12):
So he's like carrying her like bridal style, right, So yeah,
and then Lauren was trying to walk again and she
ended up dropping her wristlet in this alley, so now
she has like nothing on her and then she fell again,
like forward this time, and she couldn't raise her hands
in time, so she fell face first into the pavement.
So yeah, I was not good. And then he ended

(27:36):
up calling a friend because he kind of helped her
just sit down on a curb after she fell. She
fell face first, and then she fell again. I'm not
sure how, but she fell like twice in a row,
and so he just sat her down and then he
called a high school friend, Brooke Bolins, who was in Massachusetts.
So he called her twice. I don't know why he

(27:57):
called her. He called it two oh five and at
two fifty five am, but she didn't answer.

Speaker 2 (28:03):
I mean, what is he going to get advice from
somebody that's on the east coast right for help? In
the Midwest like that.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
I doud that. Yeah, I don't know why he called.
I don't know, just I'm not sure, but yeah, he
ended up picking Lauren back up like fireman style and
carried her the remaining like block to his townhouse. So
there were no security cameras in the like the townhouses

(28:34):
at the time. So you know, this is where the
story gets kind of like hazy because at this point
you're only taking the word of like these they were.
There were four men that were still like kind of
in Jay's apartment. Yeah, he saw Corey and Lauren come back.
So it's just their story. Now what happened after that?

(28:58):
So Mike Beth, who Corey's roommate, and then Corey is
one of them, and then Jay, her friend from high school,
and then he had two friends visiting from out of state,
David Blesnik and Alex Ferber. So I guess five men.
But they did say that one of the guys was

(29:19):
already asleep. I guess David.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
I was going to say, we're we're at the point
in the in time where it's what three thirty four, Yeah,
like I wouldn't imagine very many people would still be awake.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
No, yeah, and the party was over already and stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
So well it'd been over for two hours, you know
what I mean, right, So.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, and Corey later said that he suffered a memory
lapse from being punched. He doesn't remember what happened.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Happened, Yeah, apparently, I'm talking piece of shit.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
Right, Yeah, and he never went to get like medically
checked either the punch.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
So it's like because he couldn't remember where the fucking
hospital was at obviously.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah. So yeah, and they said David was already asleep.
And then I guess actually they said Alex, the other
friend that was visiting from out of state, they said
he wasn't at that house that night for something, like
he was with someone else. I guess it just leaves

(30:25):
Mike Beth and Jay Rosenbaum like their.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Stories, so really just two people.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yeah, because Corey refuses to say even though he was
probably fine. But yeah, so they couldn't consistently answer how
because Lauren went from Corey's to Jay's house, which was
like a door or two down, and like between Mike

(30:53):
and Jay it was like not accurate, like they were
not telling the same story. She got to the house
and also from Jay's cell phone. There was two phone
calls around four am, and they couldn't say who called
or why or anything, like they were like, I don't
remember anyone doing that, even though it's clearly on the

(31:15):
cell phone, like Rick whatever. But and one of the
calls was to her friend David, maybe to try to
pick her up or something. And the other call was
to Scott Schwartz, who had the NBA party that she
first went to. So it was a little weird that
someone called. I mean, maybe she was trying to call them.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, it could have been her.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, yeah. But Jay says she left his apartment at
four point thirty, and he claims he made Lauren walk
a straight line to demonstrate that she was sober, which
apparently she passed, which I don't think so. And he
also claimed that she was insistent on going home even
though she had no shoes, she had no phone, she

(31:59):
didn't have her ID to even get into her apartment.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Or the key to get into it.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Like yeah, but apparently she was fine to walk home.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
So we're talking in the course of anywhere between an
hour and an hour and a half, she just sobered
up and was completely fine after like not being able
to walk busting her head? What three times? Come on, man, right?

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, And he also said, well, his story changed to
when he was questioned the first time and the next time,
because the first time, he said, he like just said
okay bye, like whatever, like watched her from her his
door on the first floor that she was leaving. But
then the next time he said it, he said he

(32:44):
watched her walking away from his second floor balcony.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Ah, see why And right off the bat, you're adding
unnecessary details to the story. Yeah, very unnecessary, right.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
And he said he watched her walk to the inter
section of eleventh in College, which was past like a
construction site. But then and he said, nothing happened, like
it was fine, and that's where he couldn't see her
anymore because she turned the corner or whatever. But then
a different account, he said, maybe there was a shadowy
figure approaching Lauren at the corner, which like fueled speculation

(33:21):
that she's abducted. But it's like, Okay, if you saw that, dude,
why wouldn't you have gone out there?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Well, that's all the cops or something like, Yeah, I
mean you already are worried, if you're if you're actually
worried about her making it home. How about she wants
to go so bad, if you're not being a piece
of shit, how about you take.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Her right exactly. He never offered to walk her home.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Ye, that's what I'm saying. And yeah, judging on that's
our friend, Yeah, judging off of what she said too,
like this, like all of these places are relatively close
to each other, like we're talking within like a few blocks.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Yeah, right, you know it wouldn't it would have taken
ten minutes maybe.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, ten fifteen minutes, thirty minute round.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Trip, right, yeah, it's not that hard. And apparently also
people say, like from because his balcony it was like
a Juliet style balcony which you can't fully step out
on or whatever. Oh yeah, from his where his apartment was.
To see eleventh in college, it's like impossible because there's

(34:27):
a tree blocking it and stuff. So since he said
he saw her walk to that intersection, and everyone's like, no,
you couldn't have.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Well, once again, the second people started adding unnecessary details
to it already, you know, claimed event, it's pretty evident there,
fucking lie.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, so yeah. The next day Jesse her boyfriend texted
and called her, which eventually someone at Kilroy's ended up
answering the phone and saying it was left there, so
Jesse tried to go there to pick up the phone,
but they said they could only give it to Lauren
or the police, so he couldn't take it. And then

(35:09):
Corey was seen in the morning by classmates and they
said that he had no bruising or noticeable redness on
his face, So it's almost like, did he really even
get punched?

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I doubt it, right, I mean, if you got hit
so hard that you've fell down, right, you think there'd
be like something, But I mean maybe not, But I
mean I don't know.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, I don't know. And apparently he walked up to
one of his classmates and he said, any of you
happened to see a little blonde girl, so like he
knew she was missing before she was reported missing, Like yeah,
because if she walked home, why would he ask that?
I don't know. But her roommate Tamir also noticed that

(35:57):
she wasn't back in the morning, which she said was
not atypical. So at first people were not worried because
she could be sleeping on someone's couch, right, Like she's
often out partying and doesn't come back till like afternoon
or whatever, So that didn't really raise alarm bells. But

(36:19):
then around like the afternoon, she got a text from
Jesse and he was freaking out, which maybe he's a
little too overprotective, but he was calling everyone saying like
she wasn't there and she left her phone and her shoes,

(36:40):
which I don't think was unusual, but he just felt
like something was off.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
So yeah, I mean, and knowing the group that she's with, like,
I'm sure if he's over protective and as overbearing as
he was, like he was probably calling anyone and everyone,
and if he didn't have a phone number, he was
getting it from somebody. Yeah, figure out anything.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Right, Yeah, So he like talked to Tamir, he talked
to the Sarah Gornish was another friend of hers that
was in the group, so like he texted both of
them and then they were at the pool while he
was freaking out, and Corey and Jay also happened to
be at the pool, so they asked, like, the guys,

(37:25):
have you seen Lauren, And then they did say they
had seen her the night before, but she'd left and
they said she'd left their townhouse pretty messed up.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Oh so not in Australia, like right.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah, so they knew. So then they the they kind
of joined their own like formed their own like little
search party, and the guys did join in too, search,
I guess. So they retraced her steps, like from the
townhouse to her apartment complex, and they ended up finding
her keys, like down the alleyway between the pool and

(37:59):
her apartment, and then they like you know, tried to
find anything and they just couldn't obviously. And also, like
Corey called his high school friend again at like two
twenty two pm, so it's like, I don't know whatever,
but I guess they talked for three minutes and no

(38:20):
one knows what he said, but.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
He probably doesn't remember. Yeah, I punched to the face,
just got him good.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Right, Yeah. So and then David, her friend, ended up
also joining the search party, and they all kind of
congregated to like Lauren's apartment with Tamir, so you got
like six people now, and they compared notes, and then
they ended up calling hospitals and jails to see if
she ended up in any of those, and they did

(38:49):
find like her purse, so they ended up calling the police, Like.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
I don't know what time later that aping.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
I'm sure no, no, you're fine in the afternoon, and
it was probably right late afternoon when they probably got together, right.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Yeah, And I guess a few months earlier, she had
ended up passing out at a party at three am,
and Jesse had gone to get her and carried her
back to her apartment, which then she threw up on
the bed and started convulsing, and like, he didn't call
nine one one then because even though he thought she
was dying, because he thought if he called nine one

(39:28):
one and got her in trouble with her probation thing,
then she would never like date him, like she'd want
to break up.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
So I would rather you die than not be with.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Me, right, Well, he watched her the whole night, but
I think he felt guilty from that and now this happened,
so he could have like yeah, so yeah, and then
he ended up calling her older sister, Rebecca, and Rebecca
called her dad, who also so then called her mom

(40:02):
and they all headed to the police station, like they
started flying in and then the friends went to the
police station to report her missing. So but Corey and
Jay did not go with the group, even though they
were part of the search party to the police. So
that was a little weird too, So yeah, I guess. Oh,

(40:23):
I guess she's four eleven.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Oh geez, even shorter than I thought.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yeah, poor eleven, blue eyes, shulder linked blue hair. She
was wearing a white tank top and black tights and
she was barefoot at the time, so that was the
description they gave her. So yeah, Saturday morning, her parents
ended up arriving at the Indianapolis airport and they drove
to Bloomington. And I don't know if they were together,
but I guess Rob was from New York and Charlene

(40:50):
her mom was in Alabama, tending to like her mom
because her mom was having problems too. But yeah, instantly, obviously,
like the four guys who were there that night became
persons of interest, so Corey, Mike, and David. And also
I guess her boyfriend Jesse, because I guess he said

(41:14):
he was asleep, but he couldn't account for the time
during that time.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Oh okay, that's fair, and he's.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
The boyfriend, so I guess he was still and like
I guess, third parties couldn't confirm that he was at
home that at that time, like a sleep and stuff
and so yeah, and I guess he because he was
watching the NBA Finals game with his Sprat brothers and

(41:40):
then he said when it ended, he talked to his
roommate and then they went to bed between one thirty
and three am. But one of his friends had a
different story. His other roommate said he that Jesse watched
the game with him alone, not at the party, and
then they stopped at like three am, and then like

(42:00):
the roommate went to bed, so he couldn't verify if
Jesse had gone to bed or left the house. So
because of that one guy, I guess, I guess all
the other people said, yeah, he was there, but are
they just covering for him, Like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
I mean, they are broken up fraternity, so it wouldn't
be uncommon.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, yeah, I guess this. The news picked up the
story like that Saturday because a family friend called it
in and like elevated it and then it became national
news like super quick. So I guess that drove out
of attention. And the four guys like Jay and Corey
immediately lawyered up and like did not talk to the police.

(42:41):
So what's that about? And I don't know. That seems
a little they done it, yeah, right, And then David
and Alex the like out of friend, out of state friends,
they drove back to Michigan without talking to police at all.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Oh wow.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah, so like that's also strange. And I guess Jesse's
parents flew in from Long Island like helped search, and
then I guess Jesse and his dad like barged into
Corey's townhouse to confront him.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
That's not a good idea, yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
And I guess Mike, the roommate had to break him
up and force them to leave. But then jess, what, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
That's not why would you do that?

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I don't know. And the dad, why is the dad
helping with that? That's not a good idea. But then
Jesse left, like just a few days after the searches started,
he left with his parents back to Long Island, and
then he did not come back. So it's also like
what's up with that? And also like the police like

(43:54):
she had you know, maybe ten friends or whatever, only
one of them like gave any tips to the police,
so no one was talking to the Police's sad. Yeah,
And they started having daily briefings. The police did and
on the twelfth day, they found like a CCTV of

(44:16):
like a white truck I guess that had ran a
stop sign and was like around where Lauren went missing,
like around the same time, and it was like circling
the block like weird. Uh. But and people said in
the back of the truck you could see like a
white blob that looked like a person. So people were

(44:38):
saying it was it's like so hard to.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Tell, Yeah, especially on CCTV, like that could just be right.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
You want to see the picture, I guess.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Yeah, let's see it.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Let's share the right screen window. I mean, oh, yeah,
that's like I don't know, it kind of does like
someone holding their knees. Is there something? But yeah, so
hard to.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
Tell listeners what we're looking at. You guys could be
watching this if you check us out on YouTube. But listeners,
we are looking at a four door pickup truck with
a pretty small bed. It looks like there's a tarp
or something on the back end of the bad and
I'm kind of thinking, like I get where they're thinking

(45:23):
that's a person, but it looks like it could be
part of that tarp too, like getting blown up or something,
you know.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, that's yeah, so Lona stuff sharing, okay, but apparently
the surveillance photos times were mislabeled. Why does this like
happen all the time? Whatever?

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Is that a problem in the metropolitan Indianapolis area is
fucking mislabeled c listeners don't go to Indianapolis apparently because
they're not gonna find you.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Well, don't go.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Don't go to Indiana. How about that we got Indianapolis
and Bloomington. Okay, just don't go, right, are all fucked up? Right?

Speaker 1 (46:09):
So after this mishap by the police, they scaled back
their press release, like the press conferences to the three
times a week. They did search a transit station for
garbage because they thought maybe she was thrown into a
dumpster or something. Yeah, so they did search that, and

(46:30):
they also searched a landfill that's just south of Terra Hate.
But like they didn't get a warrant in time for
the trash to be totally halted. So like by the
time they started searching the trash, it had been like
two months.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Yeah, so it's like you're not going to find anything. Yeah,
And like I guess they couldn't. The cadaver dogs didn't
really work because there was like rotted meat and so,
you know, in the trash, and so they didn't find anything.
And then the construction site that she apparently supposedly walked
by on her way home, it had huge holes in it,

(47:07):
which the next morning was filled. So I don't know
if she would have fallne it, Like, I don't think
they would have filled it if she if there's a
body in there, but they couldn't search like that area
anymore because the construction was done by that point.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yeah, I mean, I just don't know if it was
if the holes were filled that quickly. Honestly, do you
really think the construction workers are going to be paying
that much attention to holes and stuff like that if
they're just there.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
To fill in well, you'd think if you saw a body.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Well, I mean, I'm just saying, do you think they're
actually with concrete? Do you think they're actually looking? Though?
I don't think so. I think people. I think people
are going to do their job and go about their business.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Safety first, though. Man, you gotta make sure you're your
own person's not down there or whatever, oh wow, your coworker.
I don't know. I'm not sure, but they couldn't check anyway,
So but I guess. Elliot Lewis he owned several businesses
in Bloomington, and he gave a couple of tips to
the police. He said he saw Lauren sitting on the

(48:13):
doorstep of Jay's townhouse like waiting for someone. And also
a different friend had said that they saw Jay and
Lauren kiss at the Indy five hundred, So maybe they
were developing a relationship.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Could be, or he was just giving her coke.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
Yeah, but right, Yeah, so he gave a couple tips
the police, and he had other people who like a
list of people who said they might have seen her
that night for the police to talk to. But like
a couple days later he followed up with those people,
and the police like never contacted them, oh to get tips.

(48:52):
So I'm not sure they were doing their job, just
like the other one, I guess.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
But hey, once again, let's I'm not trying to throw
any shade towards you know, the Metropolitan Bloomington Police or
whatever they are called down there, but apparently they're on
the same you know, wavelength as the IMPD as well.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah, So in September, her family flew back to New
York and they hired a private detective from Bo Diedle.
I guess is the detective agency, and like the detectives
clashed with the Bloomington police because I guess the Bloomington
police weren't really welcome like to them for them to

(49:34):
do their own investigation those right, Yeah, And like over
the summer, a blog started too that was called Jay
Rosenbaum needs to Talk. So apparently a lot of people
thought he knew more and his story kept changing, so
that didn't help he Also, I guess he told as

(49:56):
part of his story, he said, like, Lauren kept picking
up his iPod to use as if it were a phone,
and she might have taken it with her. But then
when police were like, well we could probably use that
to track her, then he was like, oh, never mind,
So he kept changing.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Why would they not try to track it?

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Then, I don't like that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Well, he might have had it. I don't know. Maybe
he was like, never mind, I have it here. Maybe
he found it, found it because it was missing. Yeah, yeah,
I don't know. And like also like Jake claimed his
friend David was asleep, but like I guess, Mike brought
Lauren over to Jay's townhouse, and Mike said that David

(50:40):
was awake, So it's like Jay was trying to protect
his friends.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
I'm getting a lot of this from this inconsistency, as
people just trying to cover not only their ass but
their friends asked to right.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, And I guess Jay did do a lie detective
test later and he passed, but the test was conducted
by his lawyers because he wouldn't what the investments. So
it's like, how has that even?

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, he took it, he did.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Right, Yeah, so not great, And I guess the family
by fall, like the family had talked to Jay and
Jesse and Mike by then to try to get their
story about what happened, but Corey refused to talk to them,
which he's an asshole, so whatever. And then the private

(51:34):
detectives arranged to meet with Jesse her boyfriend in December
before he graduated. But the day before they're supposed to meet,
he left town and drove back to New York. And
he didn't even like make arrangements to pay the rest
of his rent, which was like six more months, and
he left a bunch of stuff there, so it was like,
why did you just leave?

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Why did nobody follow that shit up.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Like, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Dude, you saw that in any like fucking crime show.
We're watching SVU or whatever, and the dude just leaves,
You go fucking find him, Like, right, there's that is insane.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
I guess out of their jurisdiction.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
I don't know, that's fucking ridiculous. You have a missing person,
you can find somebody wherever they're at to go get
his ass.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
Yeah, it was weird. Also, I guess at the apartment
he left, he had like two paper documents that were
like printed out, and one was an article titled The
Killing of Kristen, which was the story about Kristin Lardner
who is murdered by her abusive boyfriend in nineteen ninety
two in Boston. So he had that printed out. And
then the other document, it was like a notebook page

(52:45):
with an article titled the Stocking of Kristin, which said
the law made it easy for my daughter's killer. So like,
why is he looking at it?

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Sounds like he's like getting motivation and tips and tricks
from you know, fellow maniacs.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
Right, So I don't know, I feel like he's not
innocent either, But I don't know. I guess. In March
twenty twelve, Jay agreed to meet up with the private investigators,
So he was consistent this time in his story. Yeah,
except one thing still was different. He said he went

(53:30):
with Corey and Lauren to kill Roy's, which he wasn't
on the CCTV, So like, why are you why?

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yeah, why would you say that? It's clearly you.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Weren't right, So that was weird that he like added
that he got that mixed up, and then he was
He also said he was certain that he saw her
walk away from his balcony and that there was a
shadowy figure. So it's like, no, you're just trying to
make it like throw it off or whatever. Yeah, And
then like Lauren, I guess on her phone had a

(54:03):
few misstexts and one missed call from an unknown number
about twenty four hours before her disappearance, and they were
able to track that well. Two years later, they tracked
that down to a friend Annie from like high school.
I guess, Okay, and I guess the blooming Tin police
had never followed up on that. No way he was

(54:25):
this person? Yeah, no, they had not.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
No way. Yeah that's sarcasm.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
I know that doesn't know, but the private investigators looked
into it, and I don't know they it was just
a coincidence or whatever. But but yeah, it's just the
police aren't doing like anything. I guess.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Well, and once again, like I kind of said with
the episode we did on Kirsten, I understand how incredibly
hard that job is. And I understand, especially in a
college town you're dealing with drunk assholes all the time.
I get it, and you're probably stretched thin and you're

(55:10):
probably overworked. That being said, you still this is your job,
like the following up, the investigating, like if you like,
I just don't understand why you would be in that
position and not do your job. It's not like it's
not like, oh I went to the office today and

(55:31):
I didn't send off that report. Oh well, like it's
not why, it's not that at all. You're a public
servant that is tasked with finding and helping people like
it just makes zero sense to me.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Yeah, it was very weird. I guess we're gonna run
a little long though, So okay, that's fine. Okay, So
around the two year mark, her family ended up filing
a lawsuit against the three last men that were known
to see her alive, so Jay, Corey and Mike they
kind of took out the friends from out of state,

(56:06):
I guess. But the idea with the lawsuit was to
force them to share information through the court system because
they'd have to disclose their text messages and phone.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Calls I got your I got you.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Yeah, So the lawsuit accused them of contributing to laurence
presumed death. Like at that point they did, yeah, and
I guess if they didn't do it by the two
year anniversary, then they'd lose certain legal rights, so like
they kind of felt forced to do it. So it
began on March thirty first, twenty thirteen. So there were

(56:43):
three arguments for it. One was that they were negligent
resulting in the disappearance, death, or injury of an adult child.
And then the other one was another negligence I guess
negligence per se. Argue that because Lauren was severely intoxicated, like,
they owed her a duty of care and like felt

(57:07):
failed to like provide that for her by letting her
like walk away alone. And then the third thing was
called a dram shot argument, which I guess is usually
applied to like bars that overserve customers, but I guess
in Indiana it can be applied to people who like
continue to give alcoholic drinks. Like it doesn't have to

(57:29):
be a bar, it could be an individual or whatever.
So and I guess her family claimed that these men
were doing that, but they didn't have a proof.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Wow, but.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
It's kind of a hail Mary to get more evidence
because these guys like lawyered up right away and they
weren't anything, and well yeah right, yeah, so they kind
of felt like they needed a judge to like force them,
oh for sure, to participate. Yeah, but they didn't have

(58:00):
proof that she was actually dead, so it was hard
to like have that in the lawsuit.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I get that, But at the same time, I mean,
you're looking at two years of not a trace of anything,
Like I hate to say it, but I mean that
that's a safe assumption at that point, right.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
But another issue was that the police investigation was still open,
so like anything they shared in this civil case could
be used against them.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
So they like made it clear in their rebuttals that
they would invoke their fitth Amendment rights to remain silent
like if anything happened. So they pretty much had to
drop the case. The case was dropped against Mike like
early on because like he wasn't with Lauren at the
bars and there was no evidence that he had given

(58:50):
her alcohol like once she came back instead because he
was kind of just the roommate or whatever. And then
the case against Jay and Corey they had to dismiss
it like months later because there was just no like
evidence for the legal basis of it. So and they
did try to appeal, but they didn't get anywhere either,

(59:11):
So that's kind of they were at a standstill. And
then there hasn't really been much lest someone There was
a journalist that made a book called College Girl Missing
that came out last year, So it came out with
some more information which I read, and like that information
was already in what I said. So since then there

(59:34):
hasn't really been a new information. But there are theories,
of course, oh yeah, so well, one the first theory
is that she was maybe taken by a stranger, because
I guess there was a witness who they said they
saw someone who looked like Lauren walking down the street
around four am in like the same area that Lauren

(59:57):
would have been in. And then they said a teal
dog truck like rolled up and grabbed the woman off
the street. So it's like, why don't you report.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
This once again? Man? Like, Thankfully, I don't think I've
been in like two crazy situations like that, but there
have been a handful of times where I've seen some
off the wall shit and been like, hey, I'm gonna
go ahead and call the cops on that, because that
just like it's kind of crazy. Like yeah, And it's

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one thing like if you see like a couple arguing, like, no,
I'm not gonna be like, oh, domestic violence, I'm gonna no.
They might just be having an argument, and if it's
just verbal whatever, they can yell and scream at each other.
If I'm driving at three o'clock in the fucking morning
and I see a car pull up and snatch somebody,
I don't care if it's a man, woman, whatever, off

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the road, I'm calling the fucking police.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Yeah, like immediately, I don't know why that didn't happen,
and she didn't well I don't know if it was
a she. I guess the witness. I didn't get the
license plate, so it was like a dead end.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Well I mean still, I mean even if you had
called and reported how many of these teal pick up
suv whatever are going to be out and about in
that part of town at that time in the morning, right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Yeah, and you'd think you could see on the CCTV
for that car, yep, But I know the police didn't
really surprise surprise. And another witness had said she heard
screaming around four am, also in the area that Lauren
would have been. So some people do say maybe she
was taken by a stranger at that point. I'm not

(01:01:39):
really buying it, but any other theory.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Oh yeah, Well, to be fair, it is entirely possible
you were by yourself at three four o'clock in the morning.
You're obviously extremely intoxicated. If some psycho piece of shit
whatever drives by and sees an easy opportunity, they would
take it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
So the issue I have with it is that there's
CCTV like on the eleventh in college. Yeah, like Jay
said that she he saw her go to so like
she would have popped up. Yeah, Like someone would have
had to snatch her literally right there. So it's like,
I don't know about that, but maybe another theory is,

(01:02:23):
of course it was the boyfriend Jesse because he left
strangely and like wouldn't talk and whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
And the clippings of those articles. Yeah right, pretty creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Yeah, And apparently on June fourteenth, so you know, just
I don't whatever, eleven days later or whatever, he posted
on Facebook and he said back in the Facebook relationship,
I love you so much, baby, can't stop thinking about
you with like another woman. But then he deleted it
the next day. But then later in the fall, he

(01:02:59):
ended up posting picks of him in this new love
interest a lot like Lauren. I mean, people have a type,
I guess, but well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Yeah, but people also don't save you know, serial killer
clippings and from the news either, so.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Right, Also, he was prone to jealousy. Maybe he knew
like Corey was flirting with her, or maybe she was
during a relationship with Jay that he found out, who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
But my thing, my only issue with that would be
he wouldn't if he's that jealous, would he just have
killed her? Or would he have killed yeah, Cory or
j like you know what I mean, like at least
fight them, That's what I'm saying, Like there would have
been something he wouldn't have just been like, oh no,
we're good. But you the one that I like and

(01:03:49):
we're dating, I'm killing you, right Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
And also there isn't any security footage of him going
to that townhouse area because see that like leading up
to it. So yeah, I don't know. Maybe he's just
a weirdo. I guess with those clippings whatever. Maybe yeah,
but some people are saying like too because he left
only a couple days later, like police didn't get to

(01:04:15):
check his car, so maybe there would have been something
in there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
But yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Another theory. Have you heard of Daniel Messel? Apparently they
think he might have done it. Some people think this
that name.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Sounds really familiar, but I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Yeah. So he was convicted of killing Hannah Wilson, who
was a twenty two year old I use student And
this was in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yep, Okay, I know you're yep yep.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Yeah. So yeah, I guess she was partying like normal,
and her friends thought she was too drunk, so they
got a taxi for her, and then she never made
it home even though she got in the taxi. I
guess like he took her and he went to State
Road forty five in Brown County and like dumped her.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
And I guess while he was in prison, he bragged
to a cellmate that he frequently like cruised that area
looking for like young women to sexually assault and kill.
So and he had also been convicted of a similar
abduction in twenty twelve. So a lot of people think
maybe he saw her grabbed her, like, you know, because

(01:05:27):
he was pruison around. But I guess, I don't know.
The Bloomington police said they looked into it, and they
later ruled it out somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
I'm not putting too much stock in that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Yeah, but I think that could have definitely happened because
he was definitely in the area at that time and stuff.
So another suspect a lot of people like saying, is
Israel Keys. So he was arrested in twenty twelve. You
don't know him, No, you haven't heard of him, Okay.
So he he like abducted and killed strangers, and his

(01:06:03):
murders went back as far as nineteen ninety seven. And
like he he's the murder kit guy, Like he stashed
the murder kits in different states and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
He would go travel there, I see and take them up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Yeah, and then he would just pick someone at random
to kill, like when he was in the area and
he lived in Alaska, so I guess like when he
got caught in twenty twelve, so I guess he was
still out and about.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Yeah he could.

Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
Yeah, And also like I guess he committed suicide in
prison because he didn't want to wait for a conviction
and the death penalty or whatever, so they couldn't like
get more out of him. But I guess in his
jail cell he left behind a painting drawn in his
own blood of eleven skulls, which he had only told

(01:06:55):
investigators about four murders, but people think he had eleven
since he that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Well, if he's if he's killing at random like that,
I'm sure it'd be hard to track him, so right, But.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
I still feel like, maybe, wouldn't you find a body
I don't know?

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Well, I mean if he only if they only convicted
him of four and he had eleven, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Well, or they couldn't connect him to those ones, they
could have still found the body. But well, yeah, So
I'd say the biggest theory in my mind is that
she ended up overdosing in the townhouse because of her
heart condition and mixing all the drugs and alcohol, and

(01:07:40):
then the guys who were there covered it up. Yeah,
that's kind of where I'm landing at. But I don't
know that. I don't know why they wouldn't call the police.
But you know, it's four thirty. They're all fucked up.
They're scared, they're scared.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
They're a bunch of happened.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
There are a bunch of college frat boys that don't
want to, that don't want to ruin their life. That
is honestly what I was thinking the entire time was
that everybody in that house, in probably everybody in that
like altercation that happened between leaving Kilroy and getting back,

(01:08:19):
is probably involved in some way, shape or form. Yeah,
what what I'm thinking, whether complicitly or just witnessing, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
And there's a theory that Jay's two friends who were
visiting took her in their car and dumped her back
on their way back to Michigan. I was going to
say they left the next day. Yeah, And I guess
the police never searched the car, like, never got a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Well, and to be fair, I mean, of all the
people like those would be the most unsuspecting people to
do it right, you know. Yeah, Yeah, I mean with
the condition like you said she was doing. She was
mixing uppers and downer. She was very intoxicated taking cocaine.

(01:09:11):
I mean, it wouldn't be unsurprising for her to pass
away from that level of you know, drug use and alcohol.
On top of she hit her head three fucking times
and she didn't catch herself two of those three times.
She could have had some serious head injury on top
of anything else happening, which she probably did right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Yeah, And I guess the private investigators ended up tracking
down this friend's car from Michigan like years later. They
found that it had been sold in twenty thirteen and
again in twenty eighteen, and then once they found the car,
I guess, no one apparently was willing to spend the
money to do a DNA.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
Search of the car.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
So I'm surprised, like her family, But I mean, how
much does that cost? I guess? And maybe they thought
at that point it was degraded or something, but they
didn't check at all if her DNA was in that car.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not I'm not too sure on
how much that would cost. I wouldn't think it would
if it, I guess I can't say, because I'm not
I hope to never ever be put in that situation.
But I would be trying anything I could possibly get.
That's what I'd be doing. I wouldn't care how much
it would cost, you know, right, I'll figure it out Sea.

(01:10:25):
I don't know. I mean maybe maybe with it being
so far, it might have been degraded from just.

Speaker 1 (01:10:33):
The time, but plus it had been sold twice and
maybe did the deep cleaning and so I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
Know, you get a detail clean that probably wouldn't have
been anything there anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Yeah, And I guess the friend like it was Alex's car,
the friend and he said the police did end up
interviewing him, but they never searched his car, so this
could definitely be what happened.

Speaker 2 (01:10:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Or also, like Bloomington is like right by Kentucky, Illinois
and Ohio, Like they could have just driven across state
lines anywhere and like dumped her in water.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Well, I was going to say, you have the Ohio
River that runs on the southern border between Kentucky and Indiana.
I mean it's a massive river with very deep spots,
so it wouldn't be hard.

Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
So yeah, so yeah, when this book came out that
I talked about earlier, like the guy Sean Cohen, he
reached out to the people of interest to like say, hey,
you want anything in this book because you know it's
coming out, and if you want to say your piece,
I'm giving you the opportunity. And Jesse I guess responded

(01:11:44):
by saying he'd he wanted one hundred thousand dollars to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Yeah, like the ex boyfriend, and then his dad, I
guess called Sean like the investigator and said if anything
was in the book, he'd sue. So he's threatening again,
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
And then you got to shut up or we're both
going to come and beat your ass, right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Yeah, yeah, they haven't changed, I guess because this book
came out last year. I don't know at what point
he was working on it, but uh. And then Mike,
like Corey's roommate, he never responded, And then he did
end up talking to David, the other out of town
friend of Jay's, and he said he wasn't interested in

(01:12:35):
any interview, but he ended up saying that he had
lawyered up as well, even though the police never talked
to him, like, no one ever talked to him, but
he got a lawyer like immediately as well. So that's
like weird, isn't it. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Yeah, like I said, I I think you're spot on.
I think she indeed. I think all of these guys
are are they either witnessed or they were involved, and
they're all just trying to save their ass and their
buddy's ass too. I think that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Yeah, yeah, because in Jay's story, this David guy, he
was supposed to be asleep already and damon seeing things,
So like, why are you going to get a lawyer?

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Yeah, Corey did end up talking to the author, and
you know, he didn't really say too much. He did say,
you know, if she had odeed, we would have called
the ambulance.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
Whatever, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Yeah, And he also, like the author asked him why
he called his high school friend like Brooke, but he
just said, you know, he couldn't remember. But then he
also said it wasn't important, but he couldn't remember. It's
like okay whatever. And yeah, he also talked to Jay

(01:13:53):
and Jay said he was fine because he passed the
light detector test. So that's kind of how he said.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
He my lawyer gave me a lie detector test and
he said, I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Good, right, yeah, And he he did say like he
didn't regret anything like they The author asked like, would
you have redone anything? And he was like no, I
thought it was safe. I let her go. I wouldn't
redo it. It's like your friend, he wouldn't. Yeah, So
I thought that was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
And the author did also get in contact with Brooke,
like Corey's high school friend, which she said she didn't
remember much because at this point she was a drug addict,
but she did say that well. I guess after he
talked to her, her mom called the author and she

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said in June twenty eleven, Brooke had called her mom
and told her that Corey said the FBI was listening
in on phone calls and to be careful on the
phone what you talk about. So the mom thinks, like,
I'm thinking, you know, he has something to hide. So
it's like, yeah, you think, yeah, yeah, yeah, So I

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think that's what happened. I guess the author's nephews at
IU and not much has changed, like culturally with the
party and the you know, there's been other incidences and
disappearances since Lauren too, so.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Well, and it's not a I don't think it's an
unusual phenomenon in these party college towns, you know, right,
I mean fact that happens all the time, just because
people are assholes and drugs and alcohol and are involved.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
So yeah, but it has been fourteen years since she's
been missing, and they were hoping, you know, with the
release of the book, more information would come, but I
guess because that came out last year in May and
not has come out. So I feel like it's like
one or two. It's these guys really they need someone,
needs to say something.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
It's one hundred percent. It's one hundred percent them, and
we might we might get a deathbed confession maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Yeah, but or maybe they'll tell someone like their spouse
or their kid or something like as a teenagers, you know,
they tell their spouse or like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
A I don't know, Yeah, I think they're they're too
wrapped up in self preservation too, like they've been doing
it for fourteen years. Like they're probably not going to
fucking say shit to anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Yeah, that's true, and like.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
It's it's probably one of those like Hey, we're gonna
if we ever get together, the one friend gets drunk,
it's like you remember that one time they're like, shut
the fuck up, we don't talk, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Like, yeah, and I think they still talk to each
other because, like the author said, while he was calling people,
like one of them said, you know, the other guy
warned me about you or whatever, So like they they
are definitely watching each other's backs.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Yeah, it's real fucking unfortunate, but I think that I
think you're spot on. Yeah, well, I mean I don't,
I don't know. It's it's a it's a crazy it's
a crazy thing that we you know, you go to
college to get a higher education, and part of college
I think is having fun and you know, doing wild stuff.
But you know, unfortunately this is the culture we have too,

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with that party sort of lifestyle.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
Yeah. Yeah, most people are why alcoholics, but they're not
because they're in college.

Speaker 5 (01:17:41):
Like it doesn't count, right, Yeah, But it's one of
those that that old adage of lived by the sword,
die by the sword, you know, so right, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
It just takes like one thing to not be lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Yea, yeah, yeah, well is that? Uh oh, we got
for that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Okay, yeah, I'll put the information of who you can
call if you have any information, any tips.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
But yeah, so that's see, like I like talking about
the conspiracy stuff because it's kind of like detached from reality.
It's like stuff like this, and this is still an
ongoing investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Like right, yeah, it is still open.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
So yeah, well yeah, listeners, all that will be linked
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