Ep. 21- Dreams... What Are They Good For?

What are dreams, really? Science says they’re just brain maintenance—your neurons taking out the trash. But what if there’s more to it? In this episode of The Paranoid Perspective, we dive into why we dream, what our weirdest dreams might be trying to tell us, and whether there’s something—or someone—on the other side of sleep. From strange creatures to time travel, I’ll share some of my own weird dreams and explore theories ranging from Jungian archetypes to astral projection. Are dreams just noise, or is there a pattern hiding in the static?

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(01:18):
Paranoid Perspective. I am Jake. Today we're going to get
into something all of you have experienced at some point
in your life and if you haven't, that's even weirder.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I feel like, yeah, a little bit like.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah that I mean, don't get me wrong, it's been
a while since, you know, I did, but I've still
had them. So what are we talking about today, Sarah?

Speaker 1 (01:42):
We're going to talk about dreams. A wonderful dreamscape maybe
that's the title.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Ay, I mean, it depends how the episode goes, you know.
It could be a hell escape, you know, or or
something else, you.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Know what I mean, So it depends how your dreams are.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
But it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, we're going to talk about all about it dreams.
It's gonna be not as structured because there's just a
lot of different things to talk about with.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Hey, I'm here for the not structured. Okay, I know
you like to be rigid and any you know, listeners
a little a little behind the scenes. Okay, if you
guys haven't noticed from the episodes that you've listened to,
the ones that are just me rambling, that's literally my research.
The ones that are very like point by point. Sarah
has a Google doc that she has everything ready to go,

(02:29):
and everything's ready and pictures and all this, and here
I am just fumbling over here, like ah shit, I
need to google that real quick.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
So that's why I like talking about like actual events
that happened. So dreams there's no events. I'm gonna talk
about my dreams later. Oh yeah, them, because I still
have very weird dreams and I would like your opinion
on them.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I got you.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
If you want to interpret them, as long.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
As it's not like Bradshaw Ranch, I'm gonna call your bullshit.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Hey, yeah, that's fine, you can. I mean, I don't
have any images. I can't draw. I wish I could draw,
then I could draw all my dreamscapes and everything, but
I can't, So you'll just have to hear me talk
about it and decide if I made it up or not.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well, I mean technically it's not made up because you
did experience it, so yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yeah, okay, Well, so start with dreams. They occurred during
sleep obviously, no way. Yeah, unless daydreams, I guess.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Man.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
When I was in the military, they gave me some
funky pills and I swear to God, man, I was
dreaming while away, or that might have just been sleep deprivation.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Is a hallucination. Yeah, I mean, dreams are just hallucinations
while you sleep, and we call them dreams.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah, your head movies.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Yeah, yeah, and it only occurs during rim sleep specifically,
so rapid eye movement. That's the only time you're going
to dream, which is only really like what twenty percent
maybe of your time asleep or maybe even twenty.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
It's kind of wild when you think about it like that,
about how they break down the different like types of
sleep and how because isn't rim sleep the deepest sleep
you can like achieve pretty much.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
So there's light sleep and then rim and then deep sleep.
So you're constantly going between I gotcha. Yeah, okay, so
hit the rim twice.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
So when you hit rim sleep is when you're dreaming,
that's why. Okay, So that makes a lot of sense
because I've had some wild dreams that I've woken up
to at like midnight, and I've also had some wild
dreams that I've woken up at like four o'clock in
the morning. It's like, yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
And like a whole dream cycle is usually ninety minutes,
so you would only dream, you know, interesting, Yeah, every
ninety minutes, you're kind of coming back up and going
back down to like deep sleep. And light sleeps, So
that's why. Maybe that's why your dreams get all funky
because you just kind of put them all together. But
maybe it's different cycles, so you're having different dreams.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Yeah, you're you're coming past the veil or whatever ether
you're sleeping through in your rim sleep.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah. So yeah, during rim sleep, the brain activity is
very high and it's the most similar to when we're awake.
So that's another reason we have dreams.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I wonder, I wonder why that is compared to like
light sleep. Is it maybe just because when you're so tired,
you just don't think about anything else besides sleeping.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Yeah, maybe, I don't know. I don't really know, but yeah,
the light sleep, you think you'd be closer to consciousness, right,
but no, But isn't light sleep kind of where you
can have sleep prolses too, where it's like you're kind
of awake but your body.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, it's like one of those Like I remember when
I was a kid and I would sleep walk like
I wouldn't think I was asleep. So that was probably
like light sleep where I was at where I was
still like conscious because I was aware of what was happening,
but I wasn't doing it, you know sort.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Of thing, right, Yeah, And I mean animals dream too,
not just us. So set I've seen it, man, Yeah,
anyone who has a or a cat or any other pip.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Freaking the fuck out man, whatever up, chase it. I
got it. And now I'm running into the wall.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yeah, and they just make them. Yeah. So experts don't
know why we sleep, animals or us. They have no
idea why we sleep. So this is the mystery part.
That's how fits it?

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Why we sleep or why we dream?

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Why we dream?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
I mean, okay, I was about to say I know
why we sleep.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I know why we sleep. We would die if we
didn't sleep. Why we dream? Because there's no reason to dream?
Maybe maybe maybe or maybe not. I mean evolutionarily, I
feel like you don't have Well we'll see, we'll see.
We can share our theories. But also a lot of
experts like think dreams mean nothing at all.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
Of course. Yeah, I mean it's the same thing as
people that aren't, you know, very they're very staunch, like
eighth right, it's just oh, it's nothing, nothing, nothing, there's
no point to anything. It's like, okay, cool man, that
sucks to live that way.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah right, okay, Yeah, I think dreams have meaning, but
it's up to you, I guess each person for sure.
But yeah, I mean that could also be an overactive imagination.
Like often kids dream, but as you get older, maybe
you don't dream as much. I feel like you do dream,
you just don't remember because you're bombarded by reality as

(07:28):
soon as you get up, like as.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
An adult for sure. Yeah. Well, I've kind of thought
about that because honestly, I cannot remember the last time
I dreamt. I truly can't.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, I know, and I was thinking about that. We
talked last week that we're going to talk about this,
and I really was like thinking about it. It's like, dude,
when is the last time I actually had a dream?
And yeah, I, for the life of me can't even remember. Man.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
I mean, I feel like you have them, but you're
just not remembering.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
But maybe, yeah, that's very true.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Maybe it was in high school. I guess before you
had kids and gum married, right then you got too busy.
But okay, so here's all the theories on why we dream.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Let's Sarah.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
So. The first one is that dreams help with memory
consolidation and mental housekeeping. So during your sleep, your memories
are transferred from short term to long term storage. So
dreams could be like tidying up, discarding anything from the
day that you didn't really need, and then like transferring
it to memory like long term.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Okay, yeah, I could get behind that, just because I
mean there's a lot of dumb, monotonous shit that you
don't need to remember from day to day, you know.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, but then why do people have so fantastic dreams
if it's just you.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Escape the hellish reality that we live in, Sarah.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, I guess. So it is like virtual reality your
own brain.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah, because I mean, ultimately, I mean you can literally
do whatever you want and said dream. You know, you
have people that have the flying dreams. You have people
that dream there with the person they've always wanted to
be with. You know. It's a like you said, it's
like VR for the mind, right.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah. So another idea that's kind of tied in with
that is it helps with emotional processing, So it could
help you work through emotions, especially like if you had
any strong emotions or unresolved things during the day that happened,
then you could work through it in your dream. So
it could be a mental like an emotional release.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Okay, I don't know, man, I've been through some shit
and I don't remember dreaming. But maybe it's just me
me pushing it down.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, maybe you've never dreamed like that. You yelled at
a coworker or something. They like I just said this
thing I should have said earlier.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
And you'd like, no, I just yell at coworkers.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah that's true. I'm talking to the wrong person. That's true.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
I let all that shit out.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Well that's good though, So then you don't I have
to dream about it. Maybe it could also be a
way for your brain to rehearse certain skills or scenarios
to prepare for future challenges.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
See. I can get behind that, because a lot of
things that we face in life usually are not like
physically tough.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Hm.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
It's more so you and your own head about it.

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, right, especially if you have like a speech or
a big paper coming up, Maybe dream about that or something. Yeah. Yeah,
I've definitely had dreams like that. It also says dreams
could help protect the brain by temporarily occupying it with
sensory input, which could like it's preventing your brain from
being overwhelmed. If your sense is lost or impaired. Like

(10:44):
if you can't see and you're poly to sleep, I
guess that your brain panics it makes dreams.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I can't feel anything, dream me something.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
Right, let's ignore this that we're just.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
We're ignoring the problem. Here's a fun thought, right.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. That's what some people think.
I guess some experts fair enough. I'm not sure about
that one. But what But some researchers do believe dreaming
is just a byproduct of the brain's activity, and like
there's no like actual meaning or specific purpose. Like I said,
it's just random images and then you put your own

(11:19):
story together with it.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah. I can kind of get behind that, only because
you know, whenever we see something or we hear something,
we usually have a certain level of bias that we
are going to attribute to it. So we're going to
see and hear what we want in certain cases. So
I could see where you know, you having a vivid
imagination could spur some sort of effect while you sleep

(11:45):
like that for sure.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Right, But not everyone has a vivid imagination and people
still dream.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
True, some people are really boring?

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, or like that, Like people can't see images in
their mind, right, Yeah, but they still dream. They'll dream
of like voices and stuff.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
M hm.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
So I don't know if but maybe Okay, Well those
are kind of scientific theories, so I'm mean to get
to the let's get to them more fun for me. Okay.
Well one is Sigmund Freud. Okay, he said dreams could
be a way to express unconscious desires and conflicts, not
probably sexually.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yeah right, I don't know. Like, yeah, I guess if you, like,
if you're really dwelling on something, I could see where
it could trigger something like that, or like I said earlier,
like if you're super attracted to someone and you just
don't know how to talk to them, and that's like
what's consuming your brain, Like, yeah, I get why you
would dream about that individual, maybe in a romantic context,

(12:46):
you know.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah, I could see that. I mean that goes
with like if it's memories, Like if you're thinking of
it so much during the day and then it's going
to get processed into memory, right, then maybe that's why
you're dreaming about it too. Well, Okay, I'm gonna skip
around a little bit to lucid dreaming. Okay, I guess

(13:06):
there have been some researchers for lucid dreaming where they
monitored the brain, Like someone who is self proclaimed lucid dreamer,
they monitor their brain. And there was a study done
in twenty eighteen, so they had a controlled group and
then they had lucid dreaming people. And then the study
found that frequent lucid dreamers exhibited increased functional connectivity between

(13:31):
specific brain regions, like more than the control group. Okay,
so it was with the left anterior prefrontal cortex, which
is associated with self awareness and decision making that was
lit up more.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
That's interesting that they're proclaimed lucid dreamers, but that part
of their brain was more active than the control group, right.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Why so yeah, because they were.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Well, they're decisions in the Yeah. Yeah, Like the part
of their brain that was self aware was more active
than the control group. And if they're self proclaimed lucid dreamers,
you would they would be in control of the decision
making process. So that is kind of interesting.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yeah. And then also the bilateral angular gyrus. I guess
I don't hey.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
You said we're getting into WU. You're getting like metal
terminology here.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
I started the WU with Sigmund Freud and then I
skipped lucid dreaming first. Okay, sorry, they'll be more wu later.
Why to talk about lucid dreaming, I said it was
going to be all over the place. So that area
is involved in processing language and numbers and spatial cognition
and attention, so that makes sense too that it's more

(14:45):
lit up. And then the bilateral middle temporal gyrus. Everybody
loves it's g y are you as.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
We'll go with Gyrus?

Speaker 1 (14:56):
How about that, I'm just Girius.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Girius like sounds like a Greek god.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, that's linked to the processing of word meaning in
semantic memory. And then the right inferial inferior frontal virus,
which is language processing and cognitive control. So all those
were lit up for the lucid dreamers and not for
the control group.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
That's interesting. So I mean it's one of those like
lucid dreaming. I'm sure that it is possible for you
to like train yourself how to do it. I'm not
exactly sure how you would, and I think the people
that say they can train you how to do it
or full of shit and just trying to sell you something.
But if it is something that is possible, it makes
a lot of sense why those parts of the brain

(15:46):
would be significantly more active than people that are just sleeping, right.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, And the study took people who said they were like,
they didn't train or anything for it, they just naturally
were lucid dreamers as well.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Okay, fair, Okay, so they were born with it. I
guess maybe I was born this way.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Yeah, I love that. Okay, So back to the woo. Okay,
so some people think dreams you leave your body and
go to a different dimension or alter reality, right, but
that's your dream an I know? Yeah, well, yeah, kind
of like what we talked about with your episode astral projection.
And I don't remember what we called it. We didn't

(16:25):
call it that. I guess whatever.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I mean, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Mean, do you think it's possible to not be astral
projecting but still see different dimensions through your dreams or
you think that's just actual projection? Probably?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
No, it's probably two different things. Because are you familiar
with the drug called DMT. So it's naturally produced in
the brain, and people that have taken it see similar
things and beings and whatnot. So if it's naturally produced
in the brain, I feel like if you had some
sort of condition where you may maybe you had like

(17:00):
a rush of that DMT hit you, it would be
possible for you to see those other things while still sleep. Like,
I don't think you're astral projecting, just like when you
take d MT, you're not astral projecting. You're still in
your body. You're just not you know, you're you're able
to see outside of you know, supposedly the three dimensions

(17:21):
we live in, right.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, that makes sense. Well, I've also heard this is
a little bit of tangent that like dairy gives you
more active dreams because of the enzyme or something, maybe
how it interacts. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
That's interesting.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, well I think about that because you know, I
used to have ice cream every single night before bed.
Is true, really crazy dreams, oh and like very vivid.
So I feel like it was from the dairy.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Very well could have been.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
I don't eat ice cream every night now.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
But well, Sarah, take one for the team, gain a
couple of pounds and try it out for a month.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
And I did try a couple months ago just to
see and I feel like I did remember my dreams better.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
At least that's interesting there.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
We need something to them.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
We need to. I need you on like a like
a milk and ice cream diet for a month. Okay,
just just be absolutely destroyed by the end of that month.
But you know it'd be worth a scientific research, Sarah.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Okay, as long as its chocolate milk.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Hey, I got you, Yeah you can. We got hey listeners.
Help us get a fund of chocolate milk to Sarah,
and we'll make this.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Happen right before bed too.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
I don't know, nothing like being all heavy in your
gut with chocolate milk, right.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Yeah, well, I'll see. I mean, I still have pretty
vivid dreams, not as vivid as when I was like
a kid, but we'll get into my dreams. But people
also think maybe it's your past lives. Maybe you are
tamping into a past life and viewing it again through
your eyes back then, and that's a dream.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah. I don't know. I've had I remember having dreams
where it was like it felt like it was back
in the day. I can't remember them very well, but
I do remember as a kid having dreams where I
was in a different time period. I couldn't explain it
to you because I don't remember, but I do remember
having that feeling that I wasn't where I was supposed

(19:21):
to be as far as timelines.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Go, right, Yeah, maybe you're in a past life. Maybe
Also people think dreams like you know, demons or other
entities could make contact with you while you're dreaming, either
a spirit guide or a demon. I mean, you don't
really know.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
I guess they're trying to feel it, you well, And
like I like we kind of talked about on the
astro projection thing, like I feel like there, I feel
like I'm not going to call it something or put
a religion to it. I feel like there's more to
it than just what we observe here in this three
dimensional world.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
That being said, if there are four dimensional creatures, it
would make sense if you're in their world, they would
be able to interact with you. I mean, and you
wouldn't know what to do with it either with your understanding.
So I mean the whole angel demon thing, like you
hear like the biblical accounts of like angels of just

(20:23):
being like these winged creatures with eyes everywhere, you know
what I mean? Like, yeah, fear not or whatever they
said when it comes down and be like dude, I
am fucking terrified, right, now.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, biblically accurate angels. Yeah right, Yeah, that would be preaky.
Or like people think you know you're your guardian angel
or your spirit guide or whatever is giving you messages
through your dream to interpret. You have just still interpret it.
Can't they give you a better message?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Nope, gotta work for this shit.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
Yeah, I mean that's kind of the WU parts. But
talking about like interpretation, I mean, first, a lot of
people obviously are inspired by their dreams, and like a
lot of people find creative solutions in their dreams, like
a lot of inventors, or that people have had breakthroughs

(21:18):
because of their dream. Oh, either that's like you synthesizing
all of the information subconsciously and it bubbles up through dream,
or it could be your spirit guide or whatever giving
you that nudge to make the bake breakthrough.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Or yeah, I mean I can only really relate to myself.
But like listeners who don't know, I play guitar, I've
played in bands, I write music and stuff like that
on my free time. Where does that come from? Where
does that inspiration just strike from at it? Like it
literally you hear that phrase of it just came to

(21:52):
me or it hit me like a bolt of lightening
or something you created. You had something and now you
have or you had nothing and now you have something.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Right, Yeah, so that's kind of crazy. But yeah, so
people just don't know what dreams are, but they still
want them interpreted. Have you ever looked up your dream?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Like, well, that's that's the problem. I haven't had a
dream that I can remember to try to interpret.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, okay, we need to get you like dream journaling
before bet or something.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
I'm gonna Sarah, I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go
to the store tonight. I'm gonna get a pint of
ice cream and a fucking gallon of chocolate milk, and
I'm just gonna chug it. We're gonna see all. We're
fucking doing it. I want to remember everything.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, then you're gonna throw up for all night.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
That's fine, okay, and then you won't dream. Yeah true.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Well I yeah, I know. I tried to look them
up when I was younger, and they were just so
crazy that it was like, there's there's nothing to look up.
There's no way it look.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
I feel like I feel like some of them, like
when you look at like the dream interpretation maps or
whatever they have for you. I feel like I'm ready
in a horoscope, Like, Okay, it's just general enough to
where I could relate to it. Yeah, but there's nothing
like concrete here, right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (23:10):
So I think it's better to interpret your own dreams
because you're not a situation and everything too. Yeah, but yeah,
I was gonna say. You know, a lot of religions
were influenced by dreams or star like there's a lot
of stories about people gay dream from God or angels
like we said and stuff. And some people do think

(23:31):
you can see the future with dreams, especially in the past.
Like I feel like there's always stories of like a
king had this horrible dream about this child growing up
and whatever. I don't know the legends.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, this fucking kid is going to kill me in
twenty years. I got to go to every village and
kill every child, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
And then there's come Orpheus anyway, and they have sex
yem now.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
There you go. Yeah for sure, I mean, but that's
the story I.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Don't he heard. I don't know if that was from
a dream but or from an oracle.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Or just a dude. That's a fucking weirdo.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah, but I feel like I have had a couple
dreams where it was like future events that happened later. Really,
I feel like that's part of deja vu though, Oh okay,
or you kind of feel like you've had it before.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
So that's weird because I still have deja vous all
the time, but I don't have dreams that I remember.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
But maybe you're dreaming it and you just don't remember,
so then when it comes, when it happens, it's like, oh,
this is familiar. Yeah, but you can't remember. Maybe you're
seeing the future in your dreams. It's too much, so
you just forget until it actually happens in real life.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Got some bullshit, man, I need to get on it.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah. Also that do you believe this? I guess this
is a different theory or whatever. But people say you
can't dream of a face you've never seen before. I
don't know if that's true. But I don't say you
can't make up faces.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
See. I don't know though, because I know I've when
I've had dreams, I've seen people and they've had faces. Yeah,
but I've never met before.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Well, they say, that's just someone you saw in the
street and you took it in or something. But it's like,
that doesn't seem I don't like the explanation.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
Sounds like bullshit to me. Sarah.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, yeah, you've.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Ever had that's whoever whoever decided that just has shit
dreams where they don't see faces, they're face blind.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Have you ever heard of that movie?

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Yeah? They could be no movie.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Dude, dude, I got hang, I got I'll find it
for you later. Yeah, it's a movie about a lady
that becomes face blind. It's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
You can become face blind, apparently, My god, that's okay.
Already forget people's names. I can't forget people's faces.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Hey, hopefully they have some other distinguishing features besides their
face that you can identify them by. Yeah, because you
ain't gonna remember them.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Okay, Well that's okay. Also, some people say every person
in your dream is just you, like they're all aspects
of you.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
See. I tend to believe more on that because you're
entirely in your own conscious So anything that you're projecting
out or seeing is probably something that is, like you said,
is part of you, but just in a way that
maybe your mind's trying to relay it back.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Yeah, you know. Yeah. Also, do you think people can
share dreams. I feel like I heard like one story
about that, but it could have been you know, a
legend or a creepy pasta or whatever. But I don't
really know how people could have the same dream or
like be in each other's dreams.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
I've heard of stuff like that. I just don't know
if that is something that would really be. I feel
like that I would take that as more of like
a mass hallucinization than a dream, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
What I mean, unless they're twins because they have that
weird ability whens.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Twins are weird because they do have that that crazy
connection from birth right. And I will say that that
that's one of the only ones that I kind of
do believe that like where they can It's not something
as simple as like finishing each other's sentences. It's like
if their state's apart, they can like feel like something
bad is happening to their right to their you know, sibling.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
So yeah, I mean I could probably get behind that
just because I've seen some weird shit with people that
are twins and like no way to explain it.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah, yeah, I can see them sharing.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
The average everyday person that you just like, You're not
just going to stumble into some dude's dream that you right,
you know, live next door to or whatever.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, okay, well we're like halfway right. Do we want
to get into my my dreams?

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Do we want to be this is your show?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Okay, I just dreams, but I don't want to talk
about one else will care?

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Man, fuck everybody else. Let's talk about your dreams.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Okay, yeah, maybe once it's weird then people will care.
So lets people hear how weird they are. Okay, first,
I want to say, in my dreams, I'm almost never
like me like Sarah the space right here. I'm usually
someone else or a man or an old lady, like
someone anyone else. And in my dreams as well, I'm

(28:35):
usually like the camera view, Like I focus on someone
like that and I say, that's me, which is why
it's not me, it's some other person. But it's like
I'm the camera really, so I'm just watching them.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Yeah, so you're just like a fly on the wall
pretty much turned.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Because I'm not in the dream. It's not like a
first person that people are talking to me. You're like
the camera view.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, You're like, it's like a third person video game
right now that we're yes kind of viewing like an
overtop view sort of things.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, okay, that's always almost always.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
My dreams interesting.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
So I mean, especially when I was younger, anytime my
dream was me viewing through my eyes, I thought it
was real life because I was like, I never dream
like that, so I just assumed it was real life.
Like often I would not do my homework because I
would dream I did it, and then I would look
for it.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
That's the excuse right there for real like I.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Would look, sure, I know I did it, but it
was a dream. Or I'd say I guess it was
a dream because I couldn't remember. Because it's two like Mundane. Okay,
so let's do the first one. I have a couple.
We're not going to go through all of them.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Let's go through them.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Well, because there's a lot or not a lot. Hey, y,
I just picked a couple. We'll see on the time.
First one is my favorite one to tell people. It
was I caught my Batman and Robin and Wolverine dream. Okay,
he yeah, this was in twenty ten, which I thought
I was in middle school, but I was a sophomore
in high school, so yeah, I had a timeline wrong.

(30:08):
But okay, so I in my dream, well, I was
a woman about my age, like eighteen or something so similar.
And then I was with the Sky and we were
in the woods and it was like midnight and we
you know, just being two teenagers in the woods, like
wandering around and stuff. And then we came across this

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warehouse and it was like dilapidated, like very old. So
we're like, oh, let's go explore because see what's in there.
And then we went in there to the top floor
and then there were just a bunch of like crates everywhere,
and then there was Batman and Robin and Wolverine talking
and they were talking about smuggling nuclear weapons to.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
North Korea the DC Marvel Crossover we all need, yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
And then we just stumbled upon them doing that. So
we were like, oh my god, we have to like
go in, you know, get the authorities. And then I
like ran into a crate and it fell. So then
they found us and they started chasing us, and like
we were going down the stairs. This I mean, it
was the warehouse, but it had like a lot of
floors and then we I went to the next floor
under because I was like, oh, they'll just keep going,

(31:16):
thinking we kept going so we'll outsmart them, and then no,
that didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
You're you're running away from Batman, Robin Wolf. You're not
smarting anybody.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
I know. And then well, and while they were talking,
Robin was kind of like, I don't think we should
do this anymore, you guys, and they were like showed up.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
They were like, no one can cut up sidekick.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah. But then that floor that I ended up on
was totally empty, so they could see like we had
nothing to hide behind or anything. And then Wolverine just
started like clinging on the on the wall like towards us,
like sideways as yeah, and then we were all the
way in the back and there was like this hole
that was just big enough to like go through. So

(31:56):
we ended up like going through that, but like the
guy put because I was afraid to fall, and then
I welcoup, okay, so interpret.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
That I have no fucking idea, Sarah, I don't know either.
I mean the running away thing I get, Yeah, Like
you know, like you're you're usually usually the running dreams
or you like you're trying to escape something in your life,
but then trying to think about, like, what the fuck

(32:25):
does Batman, Robin and Wolverine represent and why are they
selling nuclear weapons on the black market to North Korea.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
In twenty ten? Why is this? In my mind?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
What kind of was it the what were they the
classic characters like the Adam West style Batman or was
it more of like the more modern bike.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
I mean, I had never watched Wolverine either back then,
but I would say they looked like people.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Okay, so it okay, I got you. So we're not
we're not seeing Wolverine in his like bright yellow yeah too, jumps, okay, okay,
oh okay, because that's what I was picturing. I was
just picturing they like people.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
So I guess, okay, movies maybe, But I didn't watch Wolverine.
That wasn't even a movie, wasn't back then. I don't know, Hey.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Don't remember when that came out. I don't think so,
but I could be wrong. Yeah, I don't know that,
I Sarah, I'm I'm gonna. I'm at a loss as
far as the You were obviously trying to get away
from something, but what that something is? I have no
fucking clue.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Your guess is as good as mine. I don't know.
I just like telling that story because it's a little
longer story. Some of them are weird but not very long.
So okay, so here's another one. This was in twenty eleven,
so I write all mine down so I know when
they were. I looked the old ones. Yeah, okay, So
this was like an old western town and I was

(33:50):
like a teenage boy named Alex. I didn't know what
my name was at first, but it was like old
western town. I lived in there, and we knew there
was a flood coming, and my dad was the mayor,
and he did not want to evacuate the town. And
I was like in the desert, but we knew like
a giant flood was coming for somehow we knew that.
But instead of evacuating the town, he made like a

(34:12):
giant ride out of wood that looks like the wind Seeker. Okay,
so everyone the idea what everyone would get on that
before the flood came, and then it would raise them
up and then so then they'd be fine when the
flood came. But also he sold tickets to it, so only.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
What a dick?

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Yeah, so only people could get on it if they
bought a ticket.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Only the rich can live, guys.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, so yeah, the flood was approaching, a lot of
people got tickets, but my two best friends and I
did not go on it, even though we could have
because I was the son of the mayor or whatever.
But I was like, fuck, this, this is stupid. My
dad would be sick, right, and a lot of poor
people couldn't get on it. Oh. Then when it came,
me and my two friends were on like an inflatable

(34:59):
raft and then so we were riding the wave, I guess,
on this inflatable raft and then the ride was working
and like hoisting people away, but then the water got
to a certain height and it like short circuited, so
then people just got stuck on it and drowned. So
they couldn't get out of the seat because it was

(35:20):
like I don't know, it was like the wind seeker
but would but they couldn't come out of the seat
because it had like the lap bar and stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
So well that that kind of kind of gives me
like that don't follow the crowd vibe. Okay, Well there's more, okay,
my bat Sorry.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, so we were on the raft and then there
were waves. It was like we were on the ocean,
and then it flipped over our raft and then we
were all separated. And the next thing I knew, I
was like on land in a puddle. But then I
was in like the main street of the town, but
it had obviously like built up a lot, and I
was in the future. So I got transported to the future.

(35:56):
And so I was just winding around the streets and
then this girl finds me and she's the new mayor's daughter.
So then her family takes me in and some months
go by, and like I make new friends and I
become part of the community because I don't know how
to go back in time. And also I'm not telling
anyone that I'm from the past.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Good move.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, And then I ended up falling in love with her,
and so then she takes me to this museum and
like there's a whole section about the flood in the museum,
and I was like, this wasn't what really happened because
I was there and it ended up being like that
was one hundred and fifty years ago.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Shit.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Yeah. And then I saw like this orb thing and
for some reason, I thought like that's mine. From like
the past, so I ended up stealing it. But then
I got in trouble and the guards found me and
like took me to jail, and I was supposed to
be executed because I stole this ORB that was like
super powerful. Yeah, but then I escaped through a window

(36:58):
from the jail.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Okay, I'm caught.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Again somehow, and they do like some kind of test
on me, and they find out that I am from
the past and I'm like the mayor's son, which they
thought was like royalty or something, and they knew that
this or blind to me. So then they apologized to me,
and then I woke up.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Well that went against a lot of what I thought
I was going to say. So I'm sorry I interrupted you,
but I'm glad you finished. So first part kind of
makes sense. Yeah, don't don't go with the crowd, don't
go you know whatever. That's kind of where I was

(37:39):
going with like that thought process, right right, But the
rest of that, I have no fucking idea, like going
to the future and getting arrested for taking what's yours.
I like, and then everybody realized they like, no worries, man,
You're the the one hundred fifty year ago mayor's son.

(38:00):
We can't do anything to you.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Yeah, your royalty apparently.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
I've never heard of a mayor or their children being
considered royalty.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
But I don't know what it was like that, Okay.
I think it was like the founder of the town.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Well still, I mean that's not like, no, that was weird.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Okay, So let's go to jump around a little bit
to living on a different planet. I had a dream.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I'm excited about this one. You've you've briefly told me
about this.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
So this was in twenty seven, so I'm an adult.
So first I was in like a Japanese gazebo type thing,
and I was myself, and our whole family was there,
like from Springfield and our immediate family, and then like
we were having like a picnic kind of thing like
our union or whatever. And then we heard the Earth

(38:49):
was going to be destroyed somehow. So we got onto
a spaceship that was like the size of Earth, but
we were able to get on. Yeah, and we were
escaping and we could watch the Earth from there and
we saw it like blow up and stuff. I don't
know how it like blew up. But then we had
our own like giant part like a room or whatever
that we shared like as a family. But there were

(39:10):
a bunch of people, you know, on this earth size spaceship.
But then, like I wanted to go back to Earth
even though I saw it blow up, I was just like, no,
I want to go back. So I tried to teleport there.
But then like if I'm the spaceship, I don't know,
you could like get in a tube and like be
shot out to it somehow and like teleport. But then
I missed the planet. I missed it getting yeah, like

(39:34):
the chunks.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
I feel like, oh, okay, I got you, I got you, Okay.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Yeah, I flew by it and I ended up landing
on Saturn, okay, yeah, And Saturn had people living there,
and it like they were trying to help me get
back to ship, but like the ship was so far
away now that I had to wait for it to
get back. So I was like living in the slums
on Saturn because I didn't have any job or any

(39:58):
way to support myself.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
What did they look like?

Speaker 1 (40:01):
It was like a bunch of like tarps and stuff,
and it seemed desert y. So that was weird.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
That's scientifically inaccurate because Saturn is a gas giant, Sarah.
There's no solid surface for you to be on.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I know, but I was in the desert of Saturn
slum and I had to steal to survive too. I
mean it was kind of like imagine Aladdin.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I guess Aladdin on Saturn.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yeah, yeah, that could be a remix for them since the.

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Ideas Disney, if you're listening, we got Aladdin two for you, Okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
But then people were trying to help me get back
because they did have a telport pod. I guess I
could try to get back to the ship. But at
this point it had been like a year. And I
also looked not like me anymore. I kind of looked
like Jesse from Toy Story. But I'm still me, but
I just kind of looked like.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
That, just a redheaded cowgirl.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah. And then I overshot again, like.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Down man, Yeah, where like.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Well, I overshot like our area because we had like
a landing pod thing that we could get in, so
I overshot that, and then I almost completely missed the ship.
I mean, the ship is the size of the Earth,
so I did almost miss that.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Hey, space is big, Sarah.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah, but then I landed on the backside of the ship.
I don't know which side that is if it's a swear, but.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
Well, and I was tip to you it was the backside.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah, I was running out of oxygen too, and I
was like on, I mean, it looked like metal surface
at this point, I was like running on the metal
surface trying to get to like a door, and I
could see I was running out of oxygen. It started
to be like a video game where you could see
the bar like going down. And then I saw in
the corner like an X appear and it said run

(41:54):
on top of it. So I just started hitting the
X to run fester and like the more I ran,
the less oxigen I had, obviously, But then I made
it to the door and like I barely hit the
door to open it before like I was dead. And
then I got inside and it was like a laboratory
and they were doing experiments and it was like this

(42:16):
lady that was experimented on that was like the Hulk
like big. She got out, Yeah, she got out, and
then she was gonna attack me. But then I got
out of the laboratory somehow, and then they had to
tranquilize her. And then yeah, there were other people in
the room that like they just were watching me because
like she grabbed my leg and like was pulling me

(42:37):
and then they had a trinkleie like other people tranquilized her.
But there was like a bunch of lab people just
watching everything. And once they got her away from me,
I was just like thanks for the help, and then
I left and I woke up.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Well once again, Yeah, I have no fucking idea. If
there is somebody listening to this that is a dream interpreter,
I need you to give us a heads up on
what the fuck this shit means. Yeah, because that one,
I don't even know where to really begin. I mean,

(43:11):
I guess I could maybe at the beginning, see like, yeah,
being homesick but also wanting to get away sort of thing,
because you said this was twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Yeah, so I had just started my full time job appear.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, Well I don't know, because I
was thinking maybe if it was a little earlier, it
could have been like that anxiety of maybe college and
traveling abroad and stuff like that. But righting, it doesn't. Yeah,
you know, as one does when you go to you know,
study abroad. Have you really studied abroad if you didn't

(43:49):
join a cult. I don't think so, right, But no,
I mean that, Yeah, that would make more sense. I
it was during that time frame, but maybe you had
some like suppressed emotions from your college time where maybe
you know, you still wanted to be at home with everybody,
but you also didn't want to be anywhere near him.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Yeah. I had to be in Saturn.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Yeah, well, you know, living in the slums.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Right for a year in my dream?

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Okay, what did the people on Saturn look like?

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Just I feel like it was kind of like, you know,
like Star Wars, where there's kind of a market kind
of thing and it has all these different choices.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
I got it just like that. Okay.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
So maybe I just remembered Star Wars from when I
was a child and watched it. Okay, So this one
going back at time a little bit. It was twenty thirteen.
This was I was in college, just starting college, I guess,
or just at the end of the first year of college. Okay.
So this one was a woman and her son, and

(44:51):
I like focused on the woman. I guess. They were
living out in the country. They were like these people
that took them in and they just kept saying after
the event occurred, whatever the event was, Yeah, And I
was kind of like listening to them telling stories, and
like the woman like she had amnesia, so she didn't

(45:11):
really know what they're talking about, like she couldn't remember
before the event, okay, And they started talking out the event,
and then there was a flashback that I saw where
it showed like a scene with a woman and child
and they just like appeared in a field with a
tractor and the field was like on fire and it
was like a lightning strike and they like appeared, so they.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Were like the like they like manifested out of the yeah, lightning, Okay.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Yeah, so they were either like aliens or like witches,
I don't remember which one.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Both are equally terrifying.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Yeah, and then the whole field ended up catching on fire,
and they like blamed her on that, and I think
they were trying to like.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
She did ride a bolt of lightning into their field,
so I mean, and it kind of is fault.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Well, and I think she had time traveled actually from
a different time period and that was the bolt of lightning.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
So we're looking like a like a terminator sort of
time travel where you have this like sphere of lightning
around you.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, And then there was another flashback, and this was
with her sister and their house had been caught on fire,
so there's a lot of fire in this one, and
like her sister ended up saving her and her son,
and that like sent them to a different time period,
I guess from that fire at the house, okay, yeah.
And then it had another flashback with fire, but this

(46:38):
time I was me and it was in our old
house and I was in my bedroom, like well, I
could see me in my room but from the hallway,
so I was like looking at myself agains okay, yeah,
and then there was like you and mom and me.
It was it's like a younger version in my room still,

(47:01):
and there was flames all around us and Mom was
like holding both of us, so lots of fire still.
And then my tooth started to hurt while I was
watching this because I saw myself there. And then it
flashed back to like a scene with us in the
room still, and then I was just standing in the
hallway I guess as myself again, but my tooth was

(47:22):
like hurting and like rubbing, and I could hear it
like rubbing, yeah, and it hurt so much, and like
I turned towards the kitchen from the hallway and it
was like all dark, like pitch black. But then out
of the darkness, like a man started walking towards me,
and I knew he was the one like fucking my
tooth up like somehow, and then he said something and

(47:44):
I don't remember what he said, but then I woke up.
And when I woke up, like my tooth was still hurting,
and I went to your Yeah, you felt like it
was jimped out of my mouth.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
But just was one tooth, Okay, So it wasn't like
the side of your jaw or anything.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
No, it was just one too.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
That's weird.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
And I like went into the bathroom to look to
see if my tooth was gone because it felt like
it was ripped out.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Holy shit, I don't know that one has.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
A lot of fire. And then I was me and
then this man maybe that was a demon.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Maybe well. I did look up fire and dreams meaning
just now, and it's dreaming of fire could mean the
sleeper is experiencing intense rage or some other overwhelming emotion.
Fire can be all encompassing and burning wildly out of control,
so it may be indicative of a sense of turbulence

(48:37):
in your life.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
H Well, I did start calling.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
Well, I was going to say you were in your
first year of college there, so, I mean that is
quite a dramatic change for anybody that you know goes
off and does something like that. But the tooth thing
is kind of weird.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah, that was a weird endto it. And I swore
my tooth was ripped out of my mouth because it's
hurt so bad.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Well, well, let's real time google this.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
I mean, I know teeth is common in dreams, like
falling out or whatever, but.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
A feeling of insecurity or physical appearance in our ability
to face challenges in everyday life when teeth are involved,
like falling out or stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
Yeah, maybe I felt like an impostor at college.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
That's very true. I mean, like you said, it's your
first year or so. I mean, yeah, it makes sense. Yeah,
that is weird. That is weird. Though. That one is
like a dark one. Your other ones seem kind of
like fun and quirky. That one's like shit.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
Yeah, that one got real. Well, I mean I've had
a lot of dark ones. I just am not sharing those,
like Gus, that's fair just sharing the really weird ones.
I did dream though. This was in twenty eighteen. I
dreamt like because it was between dreams, you know what.
I often have more than one dream and I have

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like three or four lucky. Yeah, so this and in
between dreams. But it was like these other dimensional beings
like came into the world through like a special doorway,
and like when that door was open, you could like
see through it and see like these stars and like
multi colored night and stuff, and it was like very vivid,

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and there were also like outlines of like balls with
like a plus sign in them, but like it was
just like normal nature whatever. And then it was like
this door that opened and they came in and you
could see like the night sky through it.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
That's wild.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
Yeah, And I don't well, I think you could see
a little part of a planet too on the side.
But like I feel like they said something but I
don't remember. But it was between well then my cat
woke me up actually after that, but it was so
like beautiful and vivid.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
And then maybe maybe saw the fourth dimension.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah maybe, And then my cat like knocked something over.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
She had a sense about it. She knew you were
about to slip into the into the void of the
fourth and end. She saved your life, Sarah, you should
be thankful.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah, it was just that was a little weird.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
You can't join a colt and go to the fourth dimension.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
Okay, fine, I just want to do it all, you know. Okay,
So we already talked about the Bigfoot one, so we
don't really need to talk about that one because I
don't think there's an interpretation for that. Bigfoot's just a
witch or whatever and couldn't get through the Sultan. Okay,
So I have like two more. There was one. This

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was while I was in the colt, so I think
they manipulated me to have a religious dream. Yeah. So
this one, I was like I was in a warehouse.
I was also with mom and dad, but I could
I mean, I could see myself, but I was myself.
And we walked out of like the doors of the
warehouse onto like a docking area.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Okay, yeah, I like a loading dock.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Yeah, like the the platform that you could stand on
out there or whatever. So we walked out there and
it was like this amazing scene of like mountains and
like it was all twinkly and everything, and I could
see like a little like road going up to there
and stuff, and that's like the path I needed to follow.
And there were three doves that came out and stuff

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like doves are religious, I guess and stuff. But then
after I looked out there and was like, wow, this
is amazing. I looked down and like on both sides
of us was just these like green striped zones that
said danger. It was like, don't stray from the path
or whatever, like if you want to get to this
beautiful mountain. But that was like one of the most

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vivid dreams I've had.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Well, and to be fair, I mean I think we
kind of poked some fun at it with the Colt episode,
but I mean that is one hundred percent what they
were doing. They were Yeah, they were, you know, controlling
every aspect of whether it was your food, whether it
was your sleep, what you know, like they're slowly breaking
you down. So that makes sense why you would have

(53:04):
a dream like that. Your subconscious is probably like screaming
at the top of its lungs, get the fuck.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Out of this, right yeah, Yeah, the danger was interesting, right, Yeah,
So that was cool, But.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
That one makes sense. I can, I can, I can
understand why you would have that dream that one makes
perfect sense.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
Yeah, okay, So last one that I'm gonna share today.
Last night I had a dream. I was hoping I
would have really, yes, I would have a dream for this,
and I did, and I remember it because I know
I have some dreams and I don't really remember parts
of it. But okay, so last night I had a dream.
I was like walking outside in kind of a forest

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preserve area and then I went I went to like
the end of the path and there was like this
beautiful lake there and everything. I was just enjoying my time.
It was daylight, and then like I looked up and
there was this like giant bird that was just in
the air and it had a long neck, like super
long neck sort of thing, no goose or something, okay,

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like a long thin neck. But then it was up
in the sky and it was starting to come towards me.
It was just getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and
I was like, what the fuck is this? And I
was thinking like is this a dragon or something? Like
how big it got and then it landed right in
front of me, and it was on two legs when
it landed, so it looked more like humanoid and it
like stood up and it was like ten feet tall,

(54:33):
and it had a normal neck at the point, like
a more humanoid not like it. Yeah, and it had
like the wings turned into four arms, like two on
each side, okay. And the face was more like flat,
like it didn't have a beak or anything. It looked
more like like the the Lagoon monster okay. Yeah, and

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it was like scaled and it was like navy and
purple and some green scales and stuff. But it was
just like kind of standing there. And then I started
fumbling with my phone trying to get a picture because
I was like, it's right there in front of me.
I mean, it wasn't like I could touch it, but
it was like really close. Yeah, and that my phone
was on the forward facing camera and I couldn't get

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it to move, so I just couldn't get any picture.
It just was a picture of my face constantly. I
was like, ID do it? And then it started walking
towards me, so I had to like put the phone
away because I was like, I need to assess the situation.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
If it's coming towards me, yeah, this thing's about to
fucking get me.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, And like it did seem hostile at first, but
then it kind of somehow I got it to calm
down a little bit, and it like wanted to follow me,
so like I went back through the forest and at
that point it was like dark, so I don't know
how long time had passed, but it was like midday
when I first saw it, so then it was dark.
So we walked back through the forest and it's kind
of just following me, and then I end up at

(55:54):
our parents' house in the woods, like i'd come out
of the woods to our backyard, so okay, like in dreams.
And then Sylvie, my cat, was out there, and it
saw Sylvie and wanted to kill it, and I was like, no,
you can't do that. I grabbed one of its arms
and then the arm came off, and then it ran
away once the arm came up.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
It's a defense mechanism.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Yeah, So then I came to the front and like
I know some friend, like not that I know, but
it was a friend in the dream, like it was
there in front of the barn. So I was like
kind of telling this friend, like what just happened in
this creature that happened, And then they were saying like no,
it's these four guys that all look the same, that

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are like men in black style that are trying to
get us to sell the house. And then the man
in black, well, they looked creepy, you know how they
look like that. It was like four men that all
looked the same. I mean, once the person said those
four men, I could see them in my mind or whatever. Okay,
so they looked like you know, like how sometimes the
men in black don't look human exactly. Yeah, and it

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looked exactly the same. And then I looked at the
I saw the arm in my hand. So I looked
at the arm and it was like hollow, like it
was a gauntlet or something. So it was like a
costume like Scooby Dooe style, like it was one of
those men.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
And I woke up. Yeah, okay, so that was just
last night. That's wild. Yeah, dude, you're so lucky. Man,
I wish I had dreams.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Well maybe if you pay attention to them, you'll remember.
I feel like people do have dreams most nights and
you just don't.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Yeah, that's probably true. Well, before we got to the
weirdness of the men in black, birds and dreams often
represent freedom and independence.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
And just kept coming at me.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Yeah, but then I don't know, like if it's transforming
into something else, right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Yeah, and it freaked me out first when it first landed.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
You know what, this could be a little bit of
a stretch, right, But maybe that's what you really want,
is that freedom and independence. But you're scared to take
that leap mm hmmm because of you're you're afraid of
your friend telling you that it's dangerous and there are
men in black.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Yeah. Yeah, maybe I'm ready for freedom. I'm waiting.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
Well yeah, but I mean it's also like, yeah, it's risky,
and every everybody talks about that. How like you know,
if you start working for yourself or you start your
own business or something like that. Like the hardest part
is that initial like leap and I'm just gonna do it,
you know, hell or high water. I'm either going to
make it or I'm not. Like that's the scariest part.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yeah, And figuring out insurance. Yeah, that's why it's just
the time I bring it up, That's what everyone says,
like insurance.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
That's just money. Yeah, that's all that is. That's that's
literally just money.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Yeah, I'm not concerned about insurance. Yeah, it is more
freaky to do the first jump, but then once you jump,
then you feel like you're floating or whatever.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean that's just my.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
So I need to quit my job tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I don't know if I do.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
That's what the dreams do? You know? Well, it's also
was fake though, because it was like a costume landed. Yeah,
so maybe it's a warning don't do it too fast.
I don't know. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Yeah, yeah, it could be because there's obviously some sort
of I don't want to say malicious isn't probably the
right word, because I don't feel like that's what it is,
but maybe some fear of something like that. I don't
know how I would say that. I'd have to think
on it. Yeah, but that's wild. Yeah, I'm happy you

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had one last night.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
I was really hoping I would before we've recorded Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Listeners Sarah Sarah, I had to reschedule because she didn't
have a dream.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's exactly just keep.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
We're just gonna keep putting it off until we till
I have one, okay, because I got to have a
real time. Twenty four hour later, dream to tell you,
you know, but well, I mean, dreams are interesting and
I wish I had more of them. You obviously are
lucked out on that side of things, you know what
I mean. Yeah, you don't get to have the WU,
but apparently you get all the dreams.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Maybe that's how I get the WU.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Maybe that's how dreams and I'm just sitting here getting bombarded,
getting pulled out of my body and shit, when I'm
a kid, you know, they're just like you're coming whether
you want to or not.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
Like shit, Well, but yeah, we're are the do we
always get opposites of steps?

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
That's true, Yeah, that is very true. Well, listeners, I
think that's going to wrap it up for today. Any
dreams that you guys have had, I would love to
hear them, Sarah, I know you'd love to hear them too.
Shoot us an email at the Paranoid Perspective Podcast at
gmail dot com. We'll read them on the air. If
they're super rad, which I'm sure most of them usually
pretty are. I mean, hell, we just heard a bunch
from Sarah that we're insane, so I'm sure that there

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Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
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