June 30, 2025 • 49 mins
Forget Will Smith—these guys don’t crack jokes. They show up after UFO sightings, talk in strange monotones, and know way too much about your life. The Men in Black have been part of UFO lore for decades, but who—or what—are they really? In this episode of The Paranoid Perspective, we trace their origins, dig into chilling witness accounts, and ask the big question: are they government agents, alien hybrids, or something even stranger? If you've seen something you weren't supposed to, they just might knock on your door next.
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Speaker 3 (01:17):
We go back to the Paranoid Perspective. I am Jake,
I'm Sarah. Sarah. We both think aliens exist, right, Yeah,
for sure?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And there is definitely, like, like, there's just too much
stuff out in the universe for it just not to happen.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It's just got to.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's like a it's inevitable that there's something out there.
I mean, even if we're just talking about like single
cell organisms, there's definitely shut out there, right.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
And I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Think it's like as easy as like maybe Hollywood or
movies trying to make it out to be where we
would have to deal with like, oh, we have this
entire culture of you know, different aliens to visit Earth
and doing all this, Like I don't think that's really
a thing, you know what I mean. I feel like
there's a lot, but I feel like there's it's too
(02:06):
hard to get to, you know, super far away places.
But what we do have today is a guest from
the popular movie Men in Black. I'm just kidding. I
wish we had Tommy Lee Jones or Will Smith. That
would be I don't even know. I don't even know
what we would do with that, but I would just
be like, hey, you guys are awesome, yeah yet, but yeah,
(02:31):
what do you want to talk about? Tell me all
about the Men in Black? But no, listeners, we are
talking about the alleged Men in Black today, and unfortunately
we do not have Tommy Lee Jones and or Will
Smith or Ripped Horn. Ripped Horn I think would be
a much better guest. He seems like a pretty funny guy.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, so yeah, we could probably get him.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah yeah, Hey, listeners, we're going to reach out.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I'm gonna send some emails and some dms, Yeah, hopping
his dms and we'll see. And I mean, to be fair,
I've talked to people I should and have just by
you know, sending dms, So I.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Guess it could happen. Yeah, but all jokes aside.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I think that's where most people get the idea of
the Men in Black is from the pop culture side
of it. You know, you see Tommy Lee Jones, that's
recruiting an eager young cop out of the New York area,
And that's kind of how they operate, right, And it's
all fun and games and we're just gonna you know,
fight aliens or talk to aliens or just you know,
(03:28):
manage the I think it's funny in those movies too,
how like the humans are in charge, Like why why
would that be?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It doesn't make any sense to me of course.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So they white people's memories like that's scary.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, I feel like that could happen anyway. Yeah, I
truly do. Like, I mean, you can. You don't even
have to have like I can't remember what they called it,
but you don't have to have one of those little
pins that yeah they I mean, you could do that
just by like psychologically affecting someone over a course of time.
You could alter memories that people done in studies before.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You know, but that takes a long time. This is
just you flash and.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
That they're done, like they're yeah, that's just whatever life
you want to build for them.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
They're good to go, right, What am I there?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Now? You are you frustrate?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay? It was like you were fine the whole time.
So I was like, what's happenings.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
The magic of editing, we'll fix all all right. But there's,
like I said, everybody's familiar with the movies. There were
what three or four of them? They were all pretty successful.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I still enjoy watching the original Like first two, I
think those are probably my favorites. The third and fourth one,
I don't know. I just kind of get to that
point in the movie trilogies Yeah, it gets to that
kind of like I'm kind of over this.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Right, they overdid it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, But as far as like real world applications, right,
because every time we see something in Hollywood, there is
some aspect of it the quote unquote base on a
true story, you know, where.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I don't know how much all of that is.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
But a lot of these that we see, like from
the movie and whatnot, it's a shadowy government organization, not
even government.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
They're not even run by the government.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
They're just their own entity that somehow has just been
under the radar that nobody knows about. Besides these like
select view Elite members or whatever it is. But according
to conspiracy theorists, the real men in Black are said
to be just as shadowy, secretive as the.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Movie and not governmental.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Well, so that's where it gets a little gray, right,
because we don't you know, kind of gray just like
their skin supposedly.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yeah, there's gray aliens of this guss right, they're not like,
I don't think with any witnesses accounts that they've ever
like said that they work.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
They're just like I work for the government or I'm
here to do you know what I mean. They don't
ever say anything specific. It's all very vague and kind
of open ended as far as their affiliation. So I mean,
it very well could be that we have a secret
group of people that are protecting us from the aliens,
but I don't know if I quite believe that. But
(06:18):
these accounts of these men in black, they're always dressed
in dark suits. They visit witnesses of strange paranormal UFO,
any sort of that like high strangeness phenomena. But typically
it's those who have seen UFOs, like ninety percent of
the claims or people that have seen UFOs or usually
visited by these men. Now, one thing that is a
(06:39):
common trend. These men usually a pair, appear in groups
of two or three, and they are always allegedly threatening
witnesses to ensure that they remain silent without and not
talk about anything that they've seen in relation to anything
they you know, UFOs or whatever. Some have claimed that
the MIBs are government agent. Others believe they may in
(07:01):
fact be shaped shifting aliens in disguise.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, the lizard people.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Well, and it's hard to find like any like concrete
evidence of what they look like like. There's a few
like grainy photos or there's a few. There's one famous
one where there supposedly is men in black that are
walking into like a hotel lobby and you see two
of them, but it just looks like two guys in
a trench coat, you know what I mean. Like, but
(07:29):
people that have described men in black so they always
have their dark suit on. Their skin is incredibly pale
or almost gray, like it's not like there's something wrong.
It looks like it's skin, but it's not quite And
there's even been accounts of like where they use something
(07:49):
like I don't think makeup is the right word, but
they're using things to make themselves look more human, Like
they'll have like red, like very very red lips in
comparison to like a normal person, yeah, or like very
rosy cheeks compared to like, you know, it's almost like
it is a disguise because there's like it's close enough
(08:09):
to look like a human, but it's not. There's something
off putting about it usually is what you get from
these guys. And I know, right, I can't imagine some
freaking clammy pale dude with lipsticking coming up to my
door being like, hey man, I know you saw some
shit but I need you to shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Don't they always have sunglasses? Or is that just from
the movie?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I think it's partly just from the movie, because I
don't know there are accounts of the black suits and sunglasses.
I think there were events where they have seen them
in that sort of garb. But I think most of
that comes from the pop culture side of it. According
(08:52):
to the research that I did, men and black encounters
are very common toll tales told in American UFO conspiracy. Okay,
let's break that down for a second. There are not
very many people that participate in the UFO conspiracy theory
in the United States.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
There are people that one hundred percent believe in aliens,
hundred percent believe that there are things outside of here.
But we're talking about the weirdos on the History Channel
right now. That's who we're talking about. Yeah, the move on, Yeah, yeah,
those guys. And I'm not saying anything bad about those gentlemen.
I'm sure they're great, you know. I And the reason
(09:30):
I'm I don't mean to generalize when I say gentlemen.
I'm just saying I've never seen a female UFO conspiracy theorist.
I'm sure they're out there, and I don't mean to discriminate,
but all the ones that I've seen have been some
wild looking old dudes, just saying.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, there's not really that many young people at all.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
That's the other thing I was about to say.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It's like a very specific age group of anywhere from
like late forties to early sixties, and they all look
like clinically unwell m.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
You know so, and it once again, I apologize for generalizing.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I'm just going off of what I've seen, especially on
like ancient aliens, you know, histories, mysteries, UFO, conspiracy theories,
on whatever, discovery, history chat, whatever it is, you know
what I mean. And that's kind of what I'm going with,
so very common tales in that circle. I don't put
too much, you know, I don't buy too much into
that sort of thing. The term is very generic. It's
(10:26):
used for any unusual, threatening or strange behaved per individual
who appears on the scene of a linked paranormal ti
strangeness event. So that's the other thing too. It's like
we're not like, actually, are we actually seeing these men
in black or is it just like some weirdo.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, especially after the movies. I guess someone.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, it could just be somebody trolling like, oh, dude,
this guy's this guy. This is the local weirdo that
thinks that UFOs are flying over the place. I'm gonna
go fuck with this guy real quick. I'm gonna go
to Goodwill and get myself black suit and shave my head.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, you know. But there are several.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Several alleged encounters with men in black and they have
been reported to UFO researchers and enthusiasts. Once again, I
don't put a whole lot of stock in a lot
of those guys, but that's just my opinion. It might
be supposedly appeared throughout different moments in history many American
UFO lore stories, and they're typically described as tall men
(11:26):
with expressionless faces, pale skin, and wearing black suits, kind
of like we already talked about. And the one thing
I will say, a lot of these took place in
that like UFO boom in like the fifties and sixties, right, Yeah,
And the only thing people like to say, well, when
you get so many similar reports, it's like, but you
(11:48):
guys were also reporting, and people were reading that, so
they started like associating like this is if I see
an unusual looking person after I all, supposedly a UFO,
that's a man, that's a min in black, that those
that's who that is, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So I don't I don't know it. I'm not saying
it doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I'm just going kind of off of my own feelings
about some of the research that I saw for this
is all more than anything.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Also, I feel like if it's not part of the
government or anything like, it's only in the US, so
that seems a little weird. It would should be international
if it's not tied to a government.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And to be fair, the other world superpower during that
time was Russia and they were pretty tight with all
their information, so there very well could be you know, reports,
and I'm sure there are reports, but most of these,
is what you're going to find, are going to be
in the United States, which it I don't know. It's
(12:52):
one of those things where if it's just here, it
kind of gives me a little bit of a weird
feeling about it, you.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, Well, we're going to get into possibly one of
the first encounters with the men in Black. This is
with Harold Dall, and it was the Murray Island incident.
So in nineteen fifty six, Gary Barker released a book.
It was titled They Knew Too Much about Flying Saucers
(13:20):
in Them All of Them, in which he compiled a
series of accounts from people who claim to have encounters
with aliens before being visited by men in strange black suits.
For Barker's account, the first mention of men in black
can be traced all the way back to June twenty seventh,
(13:40):
nineteen forty seven, so only two years after World War Two. Yeah,
the gentleman's name was Harold Dall and what came to
be known as the Murray Island UFO incident. So according
to Dahl, he was on a conservation mission gathering logs
with his son Charles near the eastern shore of Murray Island, Washington,
(14:02):
near Puget Sound, that sort of area.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
As he was working, he claimed he saw six donut
shaped objects hovering in the air roughly half a mile
above his boat before he could make sense of what
he was seeing, because I'm telling you right now, I
wouldn't be making sense of shit.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Either, right, Yeah, six donuts in the sky.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Right cloudy, with the chance of meatballs coming in hot
right now, you know what I mean. One of the
objects fell from the skies, dropping april barrage of metallic debris.
Some of the debris struck Charles and snapped several photo
and uh yeah, Charles snaps, I'm sorry. Harold snapped several
photographs of the flying objects, none of which I could find.
(14:44):
I'm sure somebody might.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Be able to grab by the men in black, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
When the men were back on land, All showed the
photographs to his supervisor, Fred Crispin. Crispin was skeptical, as
one would be, and he went through and investigated the
scene for himself. Allegedly, he saw one of the strained
flying objects hovering above him as well. Oh just one, yeah,
not six? The other ones took off okay, you.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Know, yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And what were they dumping? Would they get on him? Cancer?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Now, here's the thing about this, it was I guess
it was this big. I don't know it's claimed to
be in this like big deal. I had such a
hard time finding any information on this, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, that's weird. So internet's been scrubbed.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Hey, you know that very well. Could be maybe they
have their own cyber division now, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Right, like, yeah they could. They'll get AI two.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Okay, But the next morning Dall claimed he was visited
by a man, so we only have one this time,
which kind of goes against the typical narrative they shows
up in two or three. He was in a black suit,
and he was able to supposedly describe his appearance as eerie.
(16:09):
I don't know what that beer. Yeah, ok so the
man said to him. What I have said is proof
that you know a great deal more about this experience
than yours and you will ever want to believe. So
I'm assuming it's the man the men in black, telling
him that you have. Yeah, what I have said is
(16:31):
proof whatever the conversation was, there's no actual conversation that's happening.
I don't know why. It's all jumbled up like that.
That doesn't make any sense. What I have in its
end quotations, and I made sure I copied it word
for word off of the quotations. What I have said
is proof to you that I know a great deal
more about this experience than you and yours will ever
(16:54):
want to believe. So I'm assuming he's pretty much like,
hey dude, you don't know shit. This is I know
everything about these donuts that are dropping metal shit in
the ocean.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You know, right, and you don't want to know, and you.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Don't want to know, right. But before leaving, the man
warned Doll that bad things would happen to him if
he should ever speak about the incident. I don't know
what bad things would mean. So pretty much came in
was like, hey, dude, you don't know what the fuck
you're talking about. I know everything that you're talking about,
and if you ever talk about it, you know, I'm
gonna come see you again, and it's not going to
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be a good time.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You might be dumped in the ocean.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh well yeah, dumped with the rest of the debris
causing cancer from the alien ships, you know. Now here's
where it gets funny. Doll and Chrisman both later said
this was a hoax.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Really so it was put.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Into a book. It was accounted as the first actual
Men in Black encounter, and they both said it wasn't real.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
When did they say it wasn't real?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
All it said was they can firmed years later that
that was indeed a hoax. I don't know what years
later meter.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Okay, because I just found there's a film that's based
on the incident. But if peoplen't think, yeah, the Mariy
Island incident based on declassified FBI documents.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Well, I mean, maybe maybe they're just trying to elude
us away from the truth, you know, saying like, no.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
It's not real. Yeah right, but or or this could.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Be you know, conspiracy theorist and uf ufologists. I think
that's how you pronounce that, just getting all the nice
details from the internet.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah, maybe you know what I mean, it came fourteen.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Well you know, only ten years ago, well, eleven years ago, whatever,
But I don't know when when you hear it from
the people that actually reported it that it was a hoax,
I'm kind of tending to believe, like I'm not going
to lie. Once I got to that point of this
little article that I heard of about the Murray Island incident,
and I saw that they both were like, now we're
(19:05):
just messing with you guys, I was like, okay, well
I'm not doing anymore look into this, you know what
I mean, right, Yeah, it's just being honest.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Like that sucks, dude, because I was all in. I
was like, fuck, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Dude, first ever alien encounter with men in black and
it's six donuts in the sky and they're dropping off
little pods in the ocean for god knows what, Dude,
I'm getting into this. You know, we might not even
be talking about men and black. We're talking about the
Murray Island incident.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
You know, why did they say it? Like, why did
they would they be a hoake?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And to be fair, they made money exactly, there was
no reason for them to lie about it. But there
was also no reason for them to hoax it, you
know what I mean? Like, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It doesn't really make that much sense.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
It very well could be that maybe they got visited
again by the men in Black and they were like, hey,
don't be fucking talking about this. We need you to
say this is all live. I mean, And that very
well could be true, but I don't think so. Yeah,
sure the thing is too. So this supposedly happened in
(20:08):
like I said, summer of forty seven, right, The Murray
Island incident didn't gain any notice or very little until
Barker's book was published in nineteen fifty six. So once
again they're not making they would not be making any
money off of that for what almost ten years.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, it seems very strange.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, I don't know, but the thing is, and this
is all about making money. I feel like at least
from this this guy, mister Barker. So since it wasn't
like gained any notice until the book was released, part
of the reason why the Murray Island incident was kind
of like picked up on was he used it to
(20:53):
connect Doll's story with another young man named Albert K.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Bender.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
And that's really what truly kicked off the men in
Black fascination. Okay, so let's get into mister Albert K. Bender,
shall we. So he founded the International Flying Saucer Bureau
or the if.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I FSB. I've never heard of them.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I don't think anybody has. The first major civilian UFO
club in.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
The world, club in the Crew.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah right, it was started in nineteen fifty two as well,
so it was started before the book was released that
we just talked about. Although the organization organization was a
success at first, it suddenly shut down in nineteen fifty three,
so we didn't need.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Kind of shut down, Are you kidding? In like a year.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah. So.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Bender later told that in nineteen fifty three he had
been approached by three men in black. These three men
visited his house and communicated with him telepathically. They didn't
even fucking talk to him. They just fucking, oh my god, yeah,
just put it out to his mind. He also received
a metal disc from them and instructions. It was reported
(22:12):
that he felt like he was being transported. These men
were apparently going to share insights into the UFO you know,
phenomenon with him. These men shared origins of all UFOs
with Bender. Apparently afterwards, he became ill and didn't eat
for days as a result of the visitation. Bender felt
(22:35):
encouraged to share what he had seen with other UFO investigators,
but was refused. Bender suffered from frequent headaches after the
three men visited him, and his co workers reported that
he seemed scarred.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
So the other euphologists didn't believe him.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
That's what I'm getting.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, so that's weird. Or was he on drugs?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Maybe fifty two. I don't know how prevalent drug use was.
I'm sure he might have been. If you, if you
get a chance, Listeners and Sarah, go ahead, and get
a get a picture of mister Albert K.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Bender.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'll see if I've got one pulled up and we
can we can look at this guy. He uh, he
looks like a looks like a good guy once again magic.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, from what I see, well, there's a couple of
different people showing up. I have a drawing of a
mid in black. Oh do you maybe he drew or something?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
There you go, I'll I'll go ahead and share my
screen real quick. That way we can kind of get
some idea of kind of who we're talking about here.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
There we go, this guy right here.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Okay, wow, he looks like fine, he kind of looks
like a scientist but also a comedian.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, yeah, he's the smart a comedian. But yeah, and
I don't know, yeah, I don't know if this is
the picture that if he drew.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It or says that he sketched it.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Oh okay, yeah, when.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I clicked on it says Bender's sketch of a man
in black.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
So not only do they wear dark suit and a
top hat or a bowler cap or whatever they call those,
they also have a smoky aura of them.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
You know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Guess well maybe that's the telepathic that it.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Could be, right, Yeah, I don't know. But he alleged
his experiences were recorded and they knew too much about
flying saucers. So once again I'm getting conflicting evidence here.
So whenever I was reading this, this is why I
think this is kind of bullshit.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
It was a way.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So we're talking about the Murray Island state first, right,
they're the Murray Island incident. It was a way in
which Doll's story could be connected to a man named
Alec Albert K.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Bender.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Okay, So what I think is happening right now, I
don't think Gary Barker, the author of this, connected this.
I think what is happening our people, random people are
connecting these two events to try to make it make sense,
you know what I mean. So he we're talking about
(25:19):
Albert Bender. Now he alleged his experiences were recorded and
they knew too much. So what that tells me is
I wonder if Albert King K Bender is even in
the book.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Right, I don't know when you read the book, I.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Don't you know, Sarah.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
As much as I would like to spend, you know,
probably a stupid amount on a bullshit book.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I think I'm going to pass, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Now, like I said, Bender's in the I hate this acronym,
the IFSB, so as in you know that club that
he had for what probably nine months? Right, Yeah, Bender
experience formed the legend of the Men in Black. That's
kind of and to be fair, this was like the first,
(26:05):
like I think pop culture thing that really got it
going was the book and then people trying to like
piece stories together.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And I think that's how that really happened. Bender did
not speak of the event for nine years. So once
again I'm getting conflicting information here because he said it's
allegedly in the book. But if he didn't speak about
it for nine years, how is it in the fucking book.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Look, man, you started an awesome club. I'm sure it
was a great time. I'm sure you had lots of
people attending these parties or whatever you did at this
you know, International Flying Saucer Bureau. But I'm getting so
much bullshit from your own words of what you said
was you know, you know what I mean. That's just
I don't know. But in nineteen fifty two, Bender did
write a story called Flying Saucer and the Three Men.
(27:01):
So once again, what we just said, you said you
didn't talk about it for nine years, and then here
we are now at nineteen sixty two, and they're going
to talk about it now. So that's the first written
account that we have of it. But yet you alleged
it was in Gary Barker's book.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, but anyway, but in this book, I've been to
recounts that three men in Black were from another planet.
Didn't specify which planet, that he felt physically ill after
the experience, Like we said, he didn't need for a
couple of days, and you know all that stuff. But
when there was a publish of that little story or whatever,
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there was a lot of speculation that it was just
a dream.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, I mean, maybe maybe he did just dream it up.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I mean, your imagination is pretty crazy sometimes and kind
of like our last episode where you're talking about some
of the dreams you've had, liked, Yeah, I get.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
It, But maybe it was still a message from the
men in Black. Even if it was a dream.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It very well could be. It very well could have
been a message from the men in Black. But just
as a side note, after his International Flying Saucer Bureau,
shit the bed. After a year, Bender went on to
manage a hotel in California.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
That's very different. Yeah, hotel.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
That's a good question. It very well could have been.
It should have been. If it wasn't, it definitely should
have been.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Now, supposedly, Bender was not the first one to report
a visitation of the UFO researchers, you know, the men
in black coming and talking to them. Okay, Bender reported
that he had a second supernatural encounter. He was visited
by three shadowy figures. They did not touch the floor,
but hovered above it. They told him that their human
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appearance was yet an illusion. In whatever information he told
people about the visitation would not be believed. They supposedly
told him that they captured people from Earth and use
their bodies to disguise themselves. So now we're getting into
like invasion of the body stature.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, oh my god. It just steal someone's body and
goes into.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
It, like what just hanging out, just just got my wife.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
What happens to the person.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Of course, they don't tell you anything. It just is
what does don't don't ask questions, Okay, we're just we're
just going to the WU right now, okay, And.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
That sounds like demons or something, yep.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And I was kind of kind of get into that
a little later, But that is definitely one of the
proposed theories of who the Men in Black are, supernatural
beings that are not of this realm, the demons, trickster spirits,
whatever you want to associate it towards, you know what
I mean. So that's definitely in the realm of the
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lore of what these individuals could possible. So let's see
Space Review quote unquote was an official magazine about uthology.
I'm sure it had riveting news at that time. It
was in nineteen fifty three, so I'm sure it was
hot off the press for mister Albert K. Bender since
(30:18):
his Flying Saucer International Flying Saucer Bureau had failed, so
they started that, and you know, he's probably all in it.
In late summer of nineteen fifty three, Bender made a
series of discoveries which led him to believe that he
had finally found the truth about the UFO cover up.
He had planned to reveal his findings in the October issue,
(30:39):
I'm assuming by writing them a letter. Yeah, but before
the issue was published Bender, or before he had sent
it to him. Bender was visited yet again by three
men dressed in black.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
They love him, they do.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
He's probably great, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
He's probably just one of the best guys to hang
out with and just you know, steal his body and
talk to him telepathically, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Because he's so open to it.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They had already They told him
they had already read his unpublished report, and they confirmed
his findings.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
In another dream, probably maybe his dream confirmed.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
They referred to themselves as the Silencers, which is kind
of terrifying if you have three creepy ass fucking supposedly people.
It's like, dude, I'm either about to die, like this
is like a hit, Like I'm about to get like
a mob hit on me or something like that, or man, whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
They might want to change their name to.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, yeah, that that's a little you're coming on a
little strong with that. Yeah, But apparently they scared Bender
to the point where he did not publish that article
he had wrote, but left a warning to Bender. We
advise those engaged in saucer work. They call it saucer work,
(32:05):
which makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Okay, please be very cautious. That was the warning if
you're doing listeners, if you're doing saucer work out there,
be very cautious.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Do not Okay, Yeah, you might break it and cut yourself.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, listen, I'm just picturing cooking with a walk at
that point. That's that's what I'm picturing when I hear
saucer work like say, yeah, well that's you know, that's
in the fifties or whatever.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Now, they'd change it, they would make it more modern.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, UAP or NHI or whatever that may be. So yeah,
so all jokes aside. Those are kind of the first
like and probably some of the biggest, like reported accounts
of men in black. There have been other accounts that
have happened, but crazy they haven't happened in recent history.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So it's almost like when this UFO phenomena was happening
in the fifties and sixties, they were all over the place, right,
And you would think with a lot of the stuff
that we've seen here lately, with like these UAPs and
these you know, crazy things that we're seeing, you would
think you would start hearing more about this.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Right, Yeah, you'd think everyone would be getting knocked on
the door saying, don't do saucer work.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
No saucer work, Sarah.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
If that's not in the title, I'm gonna be upset
with you, Okay, men in Black and saucer work.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I'm just saying it's a little strange. So most of
the stories, though, are from that one guy or from
the more I don't know, I don't want to say credible,
but the more detailed ones I guess.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Well, and I almost do want to get they knew
too much about Flying Saucers by Gary Barker, because I
saw a lot from these first two individuals we talked about,
but I feel like they're mostly bullshit, you know what
I mean? Ye Like, yeah, it does feel like that,
(34:12):
but I do I do maybe maybe we can do
an update on that. I might get the book actually,
because I feel like it would be kind of cool,
because I do like listening and watching stuff about like
Project Blue Book and stuff like that where that actually
real documentation of it. But let's kind of get into,
like I guess, more of the not that we haven't
(34:34):
been but a little bit more of the WU. When
it comes to the actual Men in Black so we
kind of already touched on this just a little bit.
One of the theories are that they are some sort
of demonic, psychic vampire esque sort of things, meaning whenever
they communicate with you, like they leave you sickly or
(34:54):
drained or you know, they're like they're like taking your
energy away, and the UFO thing is just kind of
a ruse for them to get close to you, to
be able.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
To get that from you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
A lot of these when they talk about them, the
people that talk about how they are a government agency,
like you kind of alluded to earlier in the episode,
they are like the gray aliens working with the government,
trying to mislead and you know, do whatever that is.
And I will say, there are a few pictures where
(35:33):
you see like I don't know, like secret servicemen and
women that look fucking odd and even in like recent history,
you know what I mean. But I kind of usually
chalk that up to like maybe the camera's like got
a weird angle, or maybe there's some weird lights or
something like just because you see it on camera doesn't
mean it's actually really what it is. But there are
(35:55):
some very weird, very spindily, very sickly like. Like I said,
they still look human, but they're not. If there's something
weird about them.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I need to look at those I have not seen.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Oh you haven't seen them, dude, I don't think so.
On second, Sarah, I have got you.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
What have you been type into search?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Don't worry about it. They're gonna come find you. They
can find me. I can.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I can maybe hopefully deal with it, but I don't
want them to do that. You got you got work
to do, and I don't need you getting held up
by you know.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Secret ye tomorrow because they're gonna know we recorded this, Sarah.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
You better fucking text me. They're taking me. They're taking
me away.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
God, what did I type in to find these? Let's
just type in quote unquote real pictures. That's the kind
of research we do here, listeners. Okay, so here we go.
I'm gonna go ahead and get you. Get you learned
real quick, Sarah. On and what we're what we got?
So some of these are obviously going to be fake.
(37:06):
It's this is literally in Google, So don't take this
for one what it's worth. But this is one of
the most famous ones, This first one, right here.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, I have seen that.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, supposedly these two men are men in black and
they came into a hotel lobby to tell allegedly someone
to stop talking about UFOs. This is supposably another picture.
I don't think this is real though. Yeah, this looks
like something that could have just been fabricated. But this
kind of gives you, like, listeners, if you guys are
watching on YouTube, this kind of gives you like a
(37:39):
picture of what you would be seeing.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
They look looks like they're wearing a mask or something.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Right, Yeah, so for listeners, we're looking at a black
and white photo of two bald men, kind of pale.
They've got the bowler caps on and black suits and
they have a very expressionless face. This is one that
I was talking about, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I haven't seen that.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
That looks weird. Yeah, and it could be the CCT.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
It very well could be.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
But but there's something about like that dude doesn't have
a chin, Like that's wild. Yeah, it's like just you know, well,
this is another good one. I can't remember what the
story was behind it. I did watch this YouTube video,
but it was like four or five days ago. So
this is another good one. He was kind of like
(38:33):
just kind of standing over and just observing listeners if
you aren't watching on YouTube. And this is an older
one from a gentleman that was supposedly being followed by
the men in black, and he's kind of like hanging
out in the corner, like behind a corner, but still
a little bit visible. So that's kind of what they're
what they're looking like. You know, yeah, good, you got
(38:54):
a Michael Scott one here too. But no, in all seriousness,
the people that have reported it, like we said, they're
they're very pale. They're almost inhuman looking but still human.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah, and the ones.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
That's the theory that they supposedly work for the government
that supposedly started after the Roswell incident, where that that's
when that kind of started. Now once again, that gives
me like the human centric vibes where it's like, dude,
if it's an inter dimensional or interstellar civilization, they wouldn't
be like, hey man, we really want to work with
(39:32):
you guys, right yeah, see, yeah, we're just gonna do
what we want.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
It's like you're not gonna you wouldn't go to you know,
if you were a nature photographer. You wouldn't go to
a fucking ant mount and be like, hey, guys, really
like what you're doing here. I want to work with
you guys. Now you're just gonna do what you want.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
The thing with the not government thing is they're still
gray aliens, but they're trying to hide amongst us and
spread disinformation. So kind of the same theory as you know,
the gray's working for the government, but this time they're
just not working for the government, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
It's one of those where I do believe that there
are definitely aliens, and if they were capable, I think
they would want to study us like any other creature
that we would want to study because but I'm also
coming at that from a human perspective. But then I
don't understand why that would why they would care if
we talked about it or not, because they would see
(40:38):
it from like culturally that like most people wouldn't believe you,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
That's what I was thinking, Like, why are they going
to go that hard about don't talk about it? It's
like you talk about it and everyone's gonna say you
are insane, Like no, one's going to believe it, so
why not talk about it?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Or if you do talk about it and people do
believe you, well, how are you going to prove it?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Well, you know what I mean, like, like, what's that
really gonna do?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, Now, there are organizations within the government that do
you know, like psychological operations and stuff like that. That's
another theory that I've heard kind of thrown around where
in the is in sixties when we were trying to
get you know, the edge on Russia. That was a
(41:30):
big misinformation ploy to get people away from you know,
hey don't look over here. We're going to talk about
aliens now and these shadowy men that come and do that.
I honestly believe that out of pretty much everything, because
we were in competition with another potential world superpower at
that time, and we were trying to develop weapons, and
(41:50):
we were trying to develop you know, different technology, and
what easier way to kind of hey don't look over
here sort of thing then provide some like wuin wonder
into the public.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Sphere because it basically stopped like once the Cold War
was over.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
You Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. And to be fair,
I'm sure I could dig. I'm sure I could find
supposed accounts now, I'm sure I could. But I just
don't feel like there's much weight to it, you know
what I mean. Yeah, But my guess is that it
(42:30):
is some sort of government organization that is hired to
dis like provide like psychological operations. That's that's really what
I think it is. As far as the look in
the garb and you know what they wear, I mean,
that could just be We're conditioned to think that now,
because that's what we've always been told is the men
(42:51):
in black are pale, bald headed, right, weird looking dudes.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah, So I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
They could just put on a mask or whatever and
like prosthetics.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
And yeah, I mean I've heard of like crazy stories
about some of like the the real world, like FBI
CIA masks they have that like look fucking legit.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
So that's the other thing too, Like if it is
if they are out and about and they do look
off putting, it's on purpose, right, you know. It's not like, ooh,
I'm a great alien, I'm putting BLIXIIC on and I'm
trying to hide from these humans.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
They're not going to notice if I just.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Put the idiots.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
So it's right it if if they are the way
they are described as looking, they will definitely it will
definitely be on purpose if it is human beings doing it,
some sort of psychological thing. But I'm with you, Sarah.
It all stopped after you know, pretty much the Cold War.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, so, and I mean the government's done like worse
for sure, one hundred percent, like why not why not
do it?
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (44:06):
And especially at that time, I mean, you know, you
want to. We always like to compare things to like
the here and now, But I don't think people understand
how crazy like and hated. Just the even thought of
like being compared to communism was like it was like
a cultural thing in America, like we're not Nope, Nope,
we're not We're we're capitalists. We're not doing this communist shit,
(44:29):
you know what I mean, Like you you would get
like in serious trouble if you like entertained any of
these ideas. So the culture was there as like a
we're not listening to shit, this is what we do
sort of mentality, r you know what I mean. So,
I don't know, not condoning either ideology here listeners. I'm
just giving examples of the culture that they were living
(44:51):
in at that point in time. So yeah, I don't know, Sarah,
what do you think. That's kind of my thoughts.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I kind of a read that. I mean, I
didn't really know it was so heavy during those years
and it kind of just stopped. So I feel like
that's what I'm leaning towards too. I mean, like you said,
you could probably find things now, but like people make
creepy pastas now and everything, like you don't really know
and there's no pictures or anything.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
So dude, I was on Reddit for about I don't
know forty five minutes today, kind of trying to find
some actual like not actual, but trying to find some
stories like current and I think that the the most
the closest I could get was like twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Wow. And that's when the movie came out, too.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Well, that's what I was just bout saying. I know that, Yeah,
you know what I mean, Like, right, okay, that makes sense.
And I started seeing that like in association with the
Men in Black movie releases, you saw like different.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Posts and stuff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
So right, that's the only reason why I didn't include
any of those because I was like, oh shit, it's
just because the movie came out, you know what I mean.
And yeah, I'm not trying to I could be one
hundred percent wrong on that. You could have had a
legit experience with a men in black random reddit posts,
you know whatever, But yeah, I'm not buying it.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
I do think, sorry, we should have like ring cameras
of like this encounter now or something.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, it's the same thing. And I don't like the
way he is so matter of fact about this statement.
But Neil deGrasse Tyson when he talks about UFOs is
like everybody has a fucking phone in their pocket. You
should see them all over the place. If they're all
over the place, you know what I mean, same thing
applies here. How many people have a fucking ring camera
(46:47):
or some sort of camera outside their house, like you.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Would say or should say something.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Well, but then I kind of try to I look
at the other side of it. We've talked about, you know,
people that went missing and how these CCT cameras just
don't work, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
So that's true, or they're like from the eighties till
or something.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Right, I mean I'm trying to trying to see both
sides of the coin here, but yeah, I don't know.
I guess it's I feel like it's a scene as
believing sort of moment, like if you saw a UFO. Yeah,
if I saw a fucking UFO, you're not telling me
I didn't see a UFO. Yeah, you know, if I
saw the Men in Black and they came to my house,
you're not telling me I didn't see them and they
(47:28):
came to my house, right, But I don't think until
it gets to that like extreme point, that you're really
gonna believe it, like fullheartedly.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, Yeah, there's some things, I mean, unless there's like
other proof, but yeah, you can't just take people's word,
especially now anymore. I mean everything could be faked too now,
like dude AI and everything.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
So speaking of that, I saw one of the fucking
funniest things. I need to talk to you offline about
it because I'm not talking about it on the air.
But it's hilarious. AI is getting fucking scary as far
as like the deep fakes and stuff like that. Oh
my god, But listeners, that's going to wrap it up
for the Men in Black. Sorry to burst anybody's bubbles.
(48:13):
But I will say, if you've had a men in
Black encounter, I needs you to send an email to
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(48:33):
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Speaker 3 (01:17):
We go back to the Paranoid Perspective. I am Jake,
I'm Sarah. Sarah. We both think aliens exist, right, Yeah,
for sure?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And there is definitely, like, like, there's just too much
stuff out in the universe for it just not to happen.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It's just got to.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's like a it's inevitable that there's something out there.
I mean, even if we're just talking about like single
cell organisms, there's definitely shut out there, right.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
And I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Think it's like as easy as like maybe Hollywood or
movies trying to make it out to be where we
would have to deal with like, oh, we have this
entire culture of you know, different aliens to visit Earth
and doing all this, Like I don't think that's really
a thing, you know what I mean. I feel like
there's a lot, but I feel like there's it's too
(02:06):
hard to get to, you know, super far away places.
But what we do have today is a guest from
the popular movie Men in Black. I'm just kidding. I
wish we had Tommy Lee Jones or Will Smith. That
would be I don't even know. I don't even know
what we would do with that, but I would just
be like, hey, you guys are awesome, yeah yet, but yeah,
(02:31):
what do you want to talk about? Tell me all
about the Men in Black? But no, listeners, we are
talking about the alleged Men in Black today, and unfortunately
we do not have Tommy Lee Jones and or Will
Smith or Ripped Horn. Ripped Horn I think would be
a much better guest. He seems like a pretty funny guy.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Yeah, so yeah, we could probably get him.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yeah yeah, Hey, listeners, we're going to reach out.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I'm gonna send some emails and some dms, Yeah, hopping
his dms and we'll see. And I mean, to be fair,
I've talked to people I should and have just by
you know, sending dms, So I.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Guess it could happen. Yeah, but all jokes aside.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
I think that's where most people get the idea of
the Men in Black is from the pop culture side
of it. You know, you see Tommy Lee Jones, that's
recruiting an eager young cop out of the New York area,
And that's kind of how they operate, right, And it's
all fun and games and we're just gonna you know,
fight aliens or talk to aliens or just you know,
(03:28):
manage the I think it's funny in those movies too,
how like the humans are in charge, Like why why
would that be?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It doesn't make any sense to me of course.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So they white people's memories like that's scary.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, I feel like that could happen anyway. Yeah, I
truly do. Like, I mean, you can. You don't even
have to have like I can't remember what they called it,
but you don't have to have one of those little
pins that yeah they I mean, you could do that
just by like psychologically affecting someone over a course of time.
You could alter memories that people done in studies before.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
You know, but that takes a long time. This is
just you flash and.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
That they're done, like they're yeah, that's just whatever life
you want to build for them.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
They're good to go, right, What am I there?
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Now? You are you frustrate?
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Okay? It was like you were fine the whole time.
So I was like, what's happenings.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
The magic of editing, we'll fix all all right. But there's,
like I said, everybody's familiar with the movies. There were
what three or four of them? They were all pretty successful.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
I still enjoy watching the original Like first two, I
think those are probably my favorites. The third and fourth one,
I don't know. I just kind of get to that
point in the movie trilogies Yeah, it gets to that
kind of like I'm kind of over this.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Right, they overdid it.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, But as far as like real world applications, right,
because every time we see something in Hollywood, there is
some aspect of it the quote unquote base on a
true story, you know, where.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I don't know how much all of that is.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
But a lot of these that we see, like from
the movie and whatnot, it's a shadowy government organization, not
even government.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
They're not even run by the government.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
They're just their own entity that somehow has just been
under the radar that nobody knows about. Besides these like
select view Elite members or whatever it is. But according
to conspiracy theorists, the real men in Black are said
to be just as shadowy, secretive as the.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Movie and not governmental.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Well, so that's where it gets a little gray, right,
because we don't you know, kind of gray just like
their skin supposedly.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Yeah, there's gray aliens of this guss right, they're not like,
I don't think with any witnesses accounts that they've ever
like said that they work.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
They're just like I work for the government or I'm
here to do you know what I mean. They don't
ever say anything specific. It's all very vague and kind
of open ended as far as their affiliation. So I mean,
it very well could be that we have a secret
group of people that are protecting us from the aliens,
but I don't know if I quite believe that. But
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these accounts of these men in black, they're always dressed
in dark suits. They visit witnesses of strange paranormal UFO,
any sort of that like high strangeness phenomena. But typically
it's those who have seen UFOs, like ninety percent of
the claims or people that have seen UFOs or usually
visited by these men. Now, one thing that is a
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common trend. These men usually a pair, appear in groups
of two or three, and they are always allegedly threatening
witnesses to ensure that they remain silent without and not
talk about anything that they've seen in relation to anything
they you know, UFOs or whatever. Some have claimed that
the MIBs are government agent. Others believe they may in
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fact be shaped shifting aliens in disguise.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yeah, the lizard people.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Well, and it's hard to find like any like concrete
evidence of what they look like like. There's a few
like grainy photos or there's a few. There's one famous
one where there supposedly is men in black that are
walking into like a hotel lobby and you see two
of them, but it just looks like two guys in
a trench coat, you know what I mean. Like, but
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people that have described men in black so they always
have their dark suit on. Their skin is incredibly pale
or almost gray, like it's not like there's something wrong.
It looks like it's skin, but it's not quite And
there's even been accounts of like where they use something
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like I don't think makeup is the right word, but
they're using things to make themselves look more human, Like
they'll have like red, like very very red lips in
comparison to like a normal person, yeah, or like very
rosy cheeks compared to like, you know, it's almost like
it is a disguise because there's like it's close enough
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to look like a human, but it's not. There's something
off putting about it usually is what you get from
these guys. And I know, right, I can't imagine some
freaking clammy pale dude with lipsticking coming up to my
door being like, hey man, I know you saw some
shit but I need you to shut the fuck up.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Don't they always have sunglasses? Or is that just from
the movie?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
I think it's partly just from the movie, because I
don't know there are accounts of the black suits and sunglasses.
I think there were events where they have seen them
in that sort of garb. But I think most of
that comes from the pop culture side of it. According
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to the research that I did, men and black encounters
are very common toll tales told in American UFO conspiracy. Okay,
let's break that down for a second. There are not
very many people that participate in the UFO conspiracy theory
in the United States.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
There are people that one hundred percent believe in aliens,
hundred percent believe that there are things outside of here.
But we're talking about the weirdos on the History Channel
right now. That's who we're talking about. Yeah, the move on, Yeah, yeah,
those guys. And I'm not saying anything bad about those gentlemen.
I'm sure they're great, you know. I And the reason
(09:30):
I'm I don't mean to generalize when I say gentlemen.
I'm just saying I've never seen a female UFO conspiracy theorist.
I'm sure they're out there, and I don't mean to discriminate,
but all the ones that I've seen have been some
wild looking old dudes, just saying.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah, there's not really that many young people at all.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
That's the other thing I was about to say.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
It's like a very specific age group of anywhere from
like late forties to early sixties, and they all look
like clinically unwell m.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
You know so, and it once again, I apologize for generalizing.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I'm just going off of what I've seen, especially on
like ancient aliens, you know, histories, mysteries, UFO, conspiracy theories,
on whatever, discovery, history chat, whatever it is, you know
what I mean. And that's kind of what I'm going with,
so very common tales in that circle. I don't put
too much, you know, I don't buy too much into
that sort of thing. The term is very generic. It's
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used for any unusual, threatening or strange behaved per individual
who appears on the scene of a linked paranormal ti
strangeness event. So that's the other thing too. It's like
we're not like, actually, are we actually seeing these men
in black or is it just like some weirdo.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Yeah, especially after the movies. I guess someone.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, it could just be somebody trolling like, oh, dude,
this guy's this guy. This is the local weirdo that
thinks that UFOs are flying over the place. I'm gonna
go fuck with this guy real quick. I'm gonna go
to Goodwill and get myself black suit and shave my head.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Yeah, you know. But there are several.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Several alleged encounters with men in black and they have
been reported to UFO researchers and enthusiasts. Once again, I
don't put a whole lot of stock in a lot
of those guys, but that's just my opinion. It might
be supposedly appeared throughout different moments in history many American
UFO lore stories, and they're typically described as tall men
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with expressionless faces, pale skin, and wearing black suits, kind
of like we already talked about. And the one thing
I will say, a lot of these took place in
that like UFO boom in like the fifties and sixties, right, Yeah,
And the only thing people like to say, well, when
you get so many similar reports, it's like, but you
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guys were also reporting, and people were reading that, so
they started like associating like this is if I see
an unusual looking person after I all, supposedly a UFO,
that's a man, that's a min in black, that those
that's who that is, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
So I don't I don't know it. I'm not saying
it doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I'm just going kind of off of my own feelings
about some of the research that I saw for this
is all more than anything.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Also, I feel like if it's not part of the
government or anything like, it's only in the US, so
that seems a little weird. It would should be international
if it's not tied to a government.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And to be fair, the other world superpower during that
time was Russia and they were pretty tight with all
their information, so there very well could be you know, reports,
and I'm sure there are reports, but most of these,
is what you're going to find, are going to be
in the United States, which it I don't know. It's
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one of those things where if it's just here, it
kind of gives me a little bit of a weird
feeling about it, you.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, Well, we're going to get into possibly one of
the first encounters with the men in Black. This is
with Harold Dall, and it was the Murray Island incident.
So in nineteen fifty six, Gary Barker released a book.
It was titled They Knew Too Much about Flying Saucers
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in Them All of Them, in which he compiled a
series of accounts from people who claim to have encounters
with aliens before being visited by men in strange black suits.
For Barker's account, the first mention of men in black
can be traced all the way back to June twenty seventh,
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nineteen forty seven, so only two years after World War Two. Yeah,
the gentleman's name was Harold Dall and what came to
be known as the Murray Island UFO incident. So according
to Dahl, he was on a conservation mission gathering logs
with his son Charles near the eastern shore of Murray Island, Washington,
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near Puget Sound, that sort of area.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
As he was working, he claimed he saw six donut
shaped objects hovering in the air roughly half a mile
above his boat before he could make sense of what
he was seeing, because I'm telling you right now, I
wouldn't be making sense of shit.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Either, right, Yeah, six donuts in the sky.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Right cloudy, with the chance of meatballs coming in hot
right now, you know what I mean. One of the
objects fell from the skies, dropping april barrage of metallic debris.
Some of the debris struck Charles and snapped several photo
and uh yeah, Charles snaps, I'm sorry. Harold snapped several
photographs of the flying objects, none of which I could find.
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I'm sure somebody might.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Be able to grab by the men in black, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
When the men were back on land, All showed the
photographs to his supervisor, Fred Crispin. Crispin was skeptical, as
one would be, and he went through and investigated the
scene for himself. Allegedly, he saw one of the strained
flying objects hovering above him as well. Oh just one, yeah,
not six? The other ones took off okay, you.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Know, yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:16):
And what were they dumping? Would they get on him? Cancer?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Now, here's the thing about this, it was I guess
it was this big. I don't know it's claimed to
be in this like big deal. I had such a
hard time finding any information on this, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, that's weird. So internet's been scrubbed.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Hey, you know that very well. Could be maybe they
have their own cyber division now, you know.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Right, like, yeah they could. They'll get AI two.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Okay, But the next morning Dall claimed he was visited
by a man, so we only have one this time,
which kind of goes against the typical narrative they shows
up in two or three. He was in a black suit,
and he was able to supposedly describe his appearance as eerie.
(16:09):
I don't know what that beer. Yeah, ok so the
man said to him. What I have said is proof
that you know a great deal more about this experience
than yours and you will ever want to believe. So
I'm assuming it's the man the men in black, telling
him that you have. Yeah, what I have said is
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proof whatever the conversation was, there's no actual conversation that's happening.
I don't know why. It's all jumbled up like that.
That doesn't make any sense. What I have in its
end quotations, and I made sure I copied it word
for word off of the quotations. What I have said
is proof to you that I know a great deal
more about this experience than you and yours will ever
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want to believe. So I'm assuming he's pretty much like,
hey dude, you don't know shit. This is I know
everything about these donuts that are dropping metal shit in
the ocean.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You know, right, and you don't want to know, and you.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Don't want to know, right. But before leaving, the man
warned Doll that bad things would happen to him if
he should ever speak about the incident. I don't know
what bad things would mean. So pretty much came in
was like, hey, dude, you don't know what the fuck
you're talking about. I know everything that you're talking about,
and if you ever talk about it, you know, I'm
gonna come see you again, and it's not going to
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be a good time.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
You might be dumped in the ocean.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Oh well yeah, dumped with the rest of the debris
causing cancer from the alien ships, you know. Now here's
where it gets funny. Doll and Chrisman both later said
this was a hoax.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Really so it was put.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Into a book. It was accounted as the first actual
Men in Black encounter, and they both said it wasn't real.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
When did they say it wasn't real?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
All it said was they can firmed years later that
that was indeed a hoax. I don't know what years
later meter.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Okay, because I just found there's a film that's based
on the incident. But if peoplen't think, yeah, the Mariy
Island incident based on declassified FBI documents.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Well, I mean, maybe maybe they're just trying to elude
us away from the truth, you know, saying like, no.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
It's not real. Yeah right, but or or this could.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Be you know, conspiracy theorist and uf ufologists. I think
that's how you pronounce that, just getting all the nice
details from the internet.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah, maybe you know what I mean, it came fourteen.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Well you know, only ten years ago, well, eleven years ago, whatever,
But I don't know when when you hear it from
the people that actually reported it that it was a hoax,
I'm kind of tending to believe, like I'm not going
to lie. Once I got to that point of this
little article that I heard of about the Murray Island incident,
and I saw that they both were like, now we're
(19:05):
just messing with you guys, I was like, okay, well
I'm not doing anymore look into this, you know what
I mean, right, Yeah, it's just being honest.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
Like that sucks, dude, because I was all in. I
was like, fuck, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Dude, first ever alien encounter with men in black and
it's six donuts in the sky and they're dropping off
little pods in the ocean for god knows what, Dude,
I'm getting into this. You know, we might not even
be talking about men and black. We're talking about the
Murray Island incident.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
You know, why did they say it? Like, why did
they would they be a hoake?
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And to be fair, they made money exactly, there was
no reason for them to lie about it. But there
was also no reason for them to hoax it, you
know what I mean? Like, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It doesn't really make that much sense.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
It very well could be that maybe they got visited
again by the men in Black and they were like, hey,
don't be fucking talking about this. We need you to
say this is all live. I mean, And that very
well could be true, but I don't think so. Yeah,
sure the thing is too. So this supposedly happened in
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like I said, summer of forty seven, right, The Murray
Island incident didn't gain any notice or very little until
Barker's book was published in nineteen fifty six. So once
again they're not making they would not be making any
money off of that for what almost ten years.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, it seems very strange.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, I don't know, but the thing is, and this
is all about making money. I feel like at least
from this this guy, mister Barker. So since it wasn't
like gained any notice until the book was released, part
of the reason why the Murray Island incident was kind
of like picked up on was he used it to
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connect Doll's story with another young man named Albert K.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Bender.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
And that's really what truly kicked off the men in
Black fascination. Okay, so let's get into mister Albert K. Bender,
shall we. So he founded the International Flying Saucer Bureau
or the if.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
I FSB. I've never heard of them.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I don't think anybody has. The first major civilian UFO
club in.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
The world, club in the Crew.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah right, it was started in nineteen fifty two as well,
so it was started before the book was released that
we just talked about. Although the organization organization was a
success at first, it suddenly shut down in nineteen fifty three,
so we didn't need.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Kind of shut down, Are you kidding? In like a year.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Yeah. So.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Bender later told that in nineteen fifty three he had
been approached by three men in black. These three men
visited his house and communicated with him telepathically. They didn't
even fucking talk to him. They just fucking, oh my god, yeah,
just put it out to his mind. He also received
a metal disc from them and instructions. It was reported
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that he felt like he was being transported. These men
were apparently going to share insights into the UFO you know,
phenomenon with him. These men shared origins of all UFOs
with Bender. Apparently afterwards, he became ill and didn't eat
for days as a result of the visitation. Bender felt
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encouraged to share what he had seen with other UFO investigators,
but was refused. Bender suffered from frequent headaches after the
three men visited him, and his co workers reported that
he seemed scarred.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
So the other euphologists didn't believe him.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
That's what I'm getting.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, so that's weird. Or was he on drugs?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Maybe fifty two. I don't know how prevalent drug use was.
I'm sure he might have been. If you, if you
get a chance, Listeners and Sarah, go ahead, and get
a get a picture of mister Albert K.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Bender.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
I'll see if I've got one pulled up and we
can we can look at this guy. He uh, he
looks like a looks like a good guy once again magic.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, from what I see, well, there's a couple of
different people showing up. I have a drawing of a
mid in black. Oh do you maybe he drew or something?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
There you go, I'll I'll go ahead and share my
screen real quick. That way we can kind of get
some idea of kind of who we're talking about here.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
There we go, this guy right here.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Okay, wow, he looks like fine, he kind of looks
like a scientist but also a comedian.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah, yeah, he's the smart a comedian. But yeah, and
I don't know, yeah, I don't know if this is
the picture that if he drew.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
It or says that he sketched it.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Oh okay, yeah, when.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I clicked on it says Bender's sketch of a man
in black.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
So not only do they wear dark suit and a
top hat or a bowler cap or whatever they call those,
they also have a smoky aura of them.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
You know, Yeah, I.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Guess well maybe that's the telepathic that it.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Could be, right, Yeah, I don't know. But he alleged
his experiences were recorded and they knew too much about
flying saucers. So once again I'm getting conflicting evidence here.
So whenever I was reading this, this is why I
think this is kind of bullshit.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
It was a way.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
So we're talking about the Murray Island state first, right,
they're the Murray Island incident. It was a way in
which Doll's story could be connected to a man named
Alec Albert K.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Bender.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Okay, So what I think is happening right now, I
don't think Gary Barker, the author of this, connected this.
I think what is happening our people, random people are
connecting these two events to try to make it make sense,
you know what I mean. So he we're talking about
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Albert Bender. Now he alleged his experiences were recorded and
they knew too much. So what that tells me is
I wonder if Albert King K Bender is even in
the book.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Right, I don't know when you read the book, I.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Don't you know, Sarah.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
As much as I would like to spend, you know,
probably a stupid amount on a bullshit book.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
I think I'm going to pass, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Now, like I said, Bender's in the I hate this acronym,
the IFSB, so as in you know that club that
he had for what probably nine months? Right, Yeah, Bender
experience formed the legend of the Men in Black. That's
kind of and to be fair, this was like the first,
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like I think pop culture thing that really got it
going was the book and then people trying to like
piece stories together.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
And I think that's how that really happened. Bender did
not speak of the event for nine years. So once
again I'm getting conflicting information here because he said it's
allegedly in the book. But if he didn't speak about
it for nine years, how is it in the fucking book.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Look, man, you started an awesome club. I'm sure it
was a great time. I'm sure you had lots of
people attending these parties or whatever you did at this
you know, International Flying Saucer Bureau. But I'm getting so
much bullshit from your own words of what you said
was you know, you know what I mean. That's just
I don't know. But in nineteen fifty two, Bender did
write a story called Flying Saucer and the Three Men.
(27:01):
So once again, what we just said, you said you
didn't talk about it for nine years, and then here
we are now at nineteen sixty two, and they're going
to talk about it now. So that's the first written
account that we have of it. But yet you alleged
it was in Gary Barker's book.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
I'm not.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, but anyway, but in this book, I've been to
recounts that three men in Black were from another planet.
Didn't specify which planet, that he felt physically ill after
the experience, Like we said, he didn't need for a
couple of days, and you know all that stuff. But
when there was a publish of that little story or whatever,
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there was a lot of speculation that it was just
a dream.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Well, I mean, maybe maybe he did just dream it up.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
I mean, your imagination is pretty crazy sometimes and kind
of like our last episode where you're talking about some
of the dreams you've had, liked, Yeah, I get.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
It, But maybe it was still a message from the
men in Black. Even if it was a dream.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It very well could be. It very well could have
been a message from the men in Black. But just
as a side note, after his International Flying Saucer Bureau,
shit the bed. After a year, Bender went on to
manage a hotel in California.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
That's very different. Yeah, hotel.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
That's a good question. It very well could have been.
It should have been. If it wasn't, it definitely should
have been.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Now, supposedly, Bender was not the first one to report
a visitation of the UFO researchers, you know, the men
in black coming and talking to them. Okay, Bender reported
that he had a second supernatural encounter. He was visited
by three shadowy figures. They did not touch the floor,
but hovered above it. They told him that their human
(28:55):
appearance was yet an illusion. In whatever information he told
people about the visitation would not be believed. They supposedly
told him that they captured people from Earth and use
their bodies to disguise themselves. So now we're getting into
like invasion of the body stature.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, oh my god. It just steal someone's body and
goes into.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
It, like what just hanging out, just just got my wife.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
What happens to the person.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Of course, they don't tell you anything. It just is
what does don't don't ask questions, Okay, we're just we're
just going to the WU right now, okay, And.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
That sounds like demons or something, yep.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
And I was kind of kind of get into that
a little later, But that is definitely one of the
proposed theories of who the Men in Black are, supernatural
beings that are not of this realm, the demons, trickster spirits,
whatever you want to associate it towards, you know what
I mean. So that's definitely in the realm of the
(29:57):
lore of what these individuals could possible. So let's see
Space Review quote unquote was an official magazine about uthology.
I'm sure it had riveting news at that time. It
was in nineteen fifty three, so I'm sure it was
hot off the press for mister Albert K. Bender since
(30:18):
his Flying Saucer International Flying Saucer Bureau had failed, so
they started that, and you know, he's probably all in it.
In late summer of nineteen fifty three, Bender made a
series of discoveries which led him to believe that he
had finally found the truth about the UFO cover up.
He had planned to reveal his findings in the October issue,
(30:39):
I'm assuming by writing them a letter. Yeah, but before
the issue was published Bender, or before he had sent
it to him. Bender was visited yet again by three
men dressed in black.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
They love him, they do.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
He's probably great, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
He's probably just one of the best guys to hang
out with and just you know, steal his body and
talk to him telepathically, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Because he's so open to it.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Right.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They had already They told him
they had already read his unpublished report, and they confirmed
his findings.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
In another dream, probably maybe his dream confirmed.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
They referred to themselves as the Silencers, which is kind
of terrifying if you have three creepy ass fucking supposedly people.
It's like, dude, I'm either about to die, like this
is like a hit, Like I'm about to get like
a mob hit on me or something like that, or man, whatever.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
They might want to change their name to.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, yeah, that that's a little you're coming on a
little strong with that. Yeah, But apparently they scared Bender
to the point where he did not publish that article
he had wrote, but left a warning to Bender. We
advise those engaged in saucer work. They call it saucer work,
(32:05):
which makes me laugh.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Okay, please be very cautious. That was the warning if
you're doing listeners, if you're doing saucer work out there,
be very cautious.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Do not Okay, Yeah, you might break it and cut yourself.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Yeah, listen, I'm just picturing cooking with a walk at
that point. That's that's what I'm picturing when I hear
saucer work like say, yeah, well that's you know, that's
in the fifties or whatever.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Now, they'd change it, they would make it more modern.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Yeah, UAP or NHI or whatever that may be. So yeah,
so all jokes aside. Those are kind of the first
like and probably some of the biggest, like reported accounts
of men in black. There have been other accounts that
have happened, but crazy they haven't happened in recent history.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
So it's almost like when this UFO phenomena was happening
in the fifties and sixties, they were all over the place, right,
And you would think with a lot of the stuff
that we've seen here lately, with like these UAPs and
these you know, crazy things that we're seeing, you would
think you would start hearing more about this.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Right, Yeah, you'd think everyone would be getting knocked on
the door saying, don't do saucer work.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
No saucer work, Sarah.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
If that's not in the title, I'm gonna be upset
with you, Okay, men in Black and saucer work.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I'm just saying it's a little strange. So most of
the stories, though, are from that one guy or from
the more I don't know, I don't want to say credible,
but the more detailed ones I guess.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Well, and I almost do want to get they knew
too much about Flying Saucers by Gary Barker, because I
saw a lot from these first two individuals we talked about,
but I feel like they're mostly bullshit, you know what
I mean? Ye Like, yeah, it does feel like that,
(34:12):
but I do I do maybe maybe we can do
an update on that. I might get the book actually,
because I feel like it would be kind of cool,
because I do like listening and watching stuff about like
Project Blue Book and stuff like that where that actually
real documentation of it. But let's kind of get into,
like I guess, more of the not that we haven't
(34:34):
been but a little bit more of the WU. When
it comes to the actual Men in Black so we
kind of already touched on this just a little bit.
One of the theories are that they are some sort
of demonic, psychic vampire esque sort of things, meaning whenever
they communicate with you, like they leave you sickly or
(34:54):
drained or you know, they're like they're like taking your
energy away, and the UFO thing is just kind of
a ruse for them to get close to you, to
be able.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
To get that from you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
A lot of these when they talk about them, the
people that talk about how they are a government agency,
like you kind of alluded to earlier in the episode,
they are like the gray aliens working with the government,
trying to mislead and you know, do whatever that is.
And I will say, there are a few pictures where
(35:33):
you see like I don't know, like secret servicemen and
women that look fucking odd and even in like recent history,
you know what I mean. But I kind of usually
chalk that up to like maybe the camera's like got
a weird angle, or maybe there's some weird lights or
something like just because you see it on camera doesn't
mean it's actually really what it is. But there are
(35:55):
some very weird, very spindily, very sickly like. Like I said,
they still look human, but they're not. If there's something
weird about them.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
I need to look at those I have not seen.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
Oh you haven't seen them, dude, I don't think so.
On second, Sarah, I have got you.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
What have you been type into search?
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Don't worry about it. They're gonna come find you. They
can find me. I can.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I can maybe hopefully deal with it, but I don't
want them to do that. You got you got work
to do, and I don't need you getting held up
by you know.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Secret ye tomorrow because they're gonna know we recorded this, Sarah.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
You better fucking text me. They're taking me. They're taking
me away.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
God, what did I type in to find these? Let's
just type in quote unquote real pictures. That's the kind
of research we do here, listeners. Okay, so here we go.
I'm gonna go ahead and get you. Get you learned
real quick, Sarah. On and what we're what we got?
So some of these are obviously going to be fake.
(37:06):
It's this is literally in Google, So don't take this
for one what it's worth. But this is one of
the most famous ones, This first one, right here.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, I have seen that.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, supposedly these two men are men in black and
they came into a hotel lobby to tell allegedly someone
to stop talking about UFOs. This is supposably another picture.
I don't think this is real though. Yeah, this looks
like something that could have just been fabricated. But this
kind of gives you, like, listeners, if you guys are
watching on YouTube, this kind of gives you like a
(37:39):
picture of what you would be seeing.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
They look looks like they're wearing a mask or something.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Right, Yeah, so for listeners, we're looking at a black
and white photo of two bald men, kind of pale.
They've got the bowler caps on and black suits and
they have a very expressionless face. This is one that
I was talking about, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
I haven't seen that.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
That looks weird. Yeah, and it could be the CCT.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
It very well could be.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
But but there's something about like that dude doesn't have
a chin, Like that's wild. Yeah, it's like just you know, well,
this is another good one. I can't remember what the
story was behind it. I did watch this YouTube video,
but it was like four or five days ago. So
this is another good one. He was kind of like
(38:33):
just kind of standing over and just observing listeners if
you aren't watching on YouTube. And this is an older
one from a gentleman that was supposedly being followed by
the men in black, and he's kind of like hanging
out in the corner, like behind a corner, but still
a little bit visible. So that's kind of what they're
what they're looking like. You know, yeah, good, you got
(38:54):
a Michael Scott one here too. But no, in all seriousness,
the people that have reported it, like we said, they're
they're very pale. They're almost inhuman looking but still human.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah, and the ones.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
That's the theory that they supposedly work for the government
that supposedly started after the Roswell incident, where that that's
when that kind of started. Now once again, that gives
me like the human centric vibes where it's like, dude,
if it's an inter dimensional or interstellar civilization, they wouldn't
be like, hey man, we really want to work with
(39:32):
you guys, right yeah, see, yeah, we're just gonna do
what we want.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
You know.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
It's like you're not gonna you wouldn't go to you know,
if you were a nature photographer. You wouldn't go to
a fucking ant mount and be like, hey, guys, really
like what you're doing here. I want to work with
you guys. Now you're just gonna do what you want.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
The thing with the not government thing is they're still
gray aliens, but they're trying to hide amongst us and
spread disinformation. So kind of the same theory as you know,
the gray's working for the government, but this time they're
just not working for the government, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
It's one of those where I do believe that there
are definitely aliens, and if they were capable, I think
they would want to study us like any other creature
that we would want to study because but I'm also
coming at that from a human perspective. But then I
don't understand why that would why they would care if
we talked about it or not, because they would see
(40:38):
it from like culturally that like most people wouldn't believe you,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
That's what I was thinking, Like, why are they going
to go that hard about don't talk about it? It's
like you talk about it and everyone's gonna say you
are insane, Like no, one's going to believe it, so
why not talk about it?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Or if you do talk about it and people do
believe you, well, how are you going to prove it?
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Well, you know what I mean, like, like, what's that
really gonna do?
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
Yeah, Now, there are organizations within the government that do
you know, like psychological operations and stuff like that. That's
another theory that I've heard kind of thrown around where
in the is in sixties when we were trying to
get you know, the edge on Russia. That was a
(41:30):
big misinformation ploy to get people away from you know,
hey don't look over here. We're going to talk about
aliens now and these shadowy men that come and do that.
I honestly believe that out of pretty much everything, because
we were in competition with another potential world superpower at
that time, and we were trying to develop weapons, and
(41:50):
we were trying to develop you know, different technology, and
what easier way to kind of hey don't look over
here sort of thing then provide some like wuin wonder
into the public.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Sphere because it basically stopped like once the Cold War
was over.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
You Yeah, that's that's what I'm saying. And to be fair,
I'm sure I could dig. I'm sure I could find
supposed accounts now, I'm sure I could. But I just
don't feel like there's much weight to it, you know
what I mean. Yeah, But my guess is that it
(42:30):
is some sort of government organization that is hired to
dis like provide like psychological operations. That's that's really what
I think it is. As far as the look in
the garb and you know what they wear, I mean,
that could just be We're conditioned to think that now,
because that's what we've always been told is the men
(42:51):
in black are pale, bald headed, right, weird looking dudes.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah, So I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:58):
They could just put on a mask or whatever and
like prosthetics.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
And yeah, I mean I've heard of like crazy stories
about some of like the the real world, like FBI
CIA masks they have that like look fucking legit.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Right.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
So that's the other thing too, Like if it is
if they are out and about and they do look
off putting, it's on purpose, right, you know. It's not like, ooh,
I'm a great alien, I'm putting BLIXIIC on and I'm
trying to hide from these humans.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
They're not going to notice if I just.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Put the idiots.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
So it's right it if if they are the way
they are described as looking, they will definitely it will
definitely be on purpose if it is human beings doing it,
some sort of psychological thing. But I'm with you, Sarah.
It all stopped after you know, pretty much the Cold War.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, so, and I mean the government's done like worse
for sure, one hundred percent, like why not why not
do it?
Speaker 3 (44:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (44:06):
And especially at that time, I mean, you know, you
want to. We always like to compare things to like
the here and now, But I don't think people understand
how crazy like and hated. Just the even thought of
like being compared to communism was like it was like
a cultural thing in America, like we're not Nope, Nope,
we're not We're we're capitalists. We're not doing this communist shit,
(44:29):
you know what I mean, Like you you would get
like in serious trouble if you like entertained any of
these ideas. So the culture was there as like a
we're not listening to shit, this is what we do
sort of mentality, r you know what I mean. So,
I don't know, not condoning either ideology here listeners. I'm
just giving examples of the culture that they were living
(44:51):
in at that point in time. So yeah, I don't know, Sarah,
what do you think. That's kind of my thoughts.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I kind of a read that. I mean, I
didn't really know it was so heavy during those years
and it kind of just stopped. So I feel like
that's what I'm leaning towards too. I mean, like you said,
you could probably find things now, but like people make
creepy pastas now and everything, like you don't really know
and there's no pictures or anything.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
So dude, I was on Reddit for about I don't
know forty five minutes today, kind of trying to find
some actual like not actual, but trying to find some
stories like current and I think that the the most
the closest I could get was like twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
Wow. And that's when the movie came out, too.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Well, that's what I was just bout saying. I know that, Yeah,
you know what I mean, Like, right, okay, that makes sense.
And I started seeing that like in association with the
Men in Black movie releases, you saw like different.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
Posts and stuff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
So right, that's the only reason why I didn't include
any of those because I was like, oh shit, it's
just because the movie came out, you know what I mean.
And yeah, I'm not trying to I could be one
hundred percent wrong on that. You could have had a
legit experience with a men in black random reddit posts,
you know whatever, But yeah, I'm not buying it.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
I do think, sorry, we should have like ring cameras
of like this encounter now or something.
Speaker 2 (46:26):
Yeah, it's the same thing. And I don't like the
way he is so matter of fact about this statement.
But Neil deGrasse Tyson when he talks about UFOs is
like everybody has a fucking phone in their pocket. You
should see them all over the place. If they're all
over the place, you know what I mean, same thing
applies here. How many people have a fucking ring camera
(46:47):
or some sort of camera outside their house, like you.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Would say or should say something.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
Well, but then I kind of try to I look
at the other side of it. We've talked about, you know,
people that went missing and how these CCT cameras just
don't work, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
So that's true, or they're like from the eighties till
or something.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Right, I mean I'm trying to trying to see both
sides of the coin here, but yeah, I don't know.
I guess it's I feel like it's a scene as
believing sort of moment, like if you saw a UFO. Yeah,
if I saw a fucking UFO, you're not telling me
I didn't see a UFO. Yeah, you know, if I
saw the Men in Black and they came to my house,
you're not telling me I didn't see them and they
(47:28):
came to my house, right, But I don't think until
it gets to that like extreme point, that you're really
gonna believe it, like fullheartedly.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Yeah, Yeah, there's some things, I mean, unless there's like
other proof, but yeah, you can't just take people's word,
especially now anymore. I mean everything could be faked too now,
like dude AI and everything.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
So speaking of that, I saw one of the fucking
funniest things. I need to talk to you offline about
it because I'm not talking about it on the air.
But it's hilarious. AI is getting fucking scary as far
as like the deep fakes and stuff like that. Oh
my god, But listeners, that's going to wrap it up
for the Men in Black. Sorry to burst anybody's bubbles.
(48:13):
But I will say, if you've had a men in
Black encounter, I needs you to send an email to
The Paranoid Perspective podcast at gmail dot com or follow
us anywhere you have social media. We are there, I promise,
send us a DM. I want to hear about it
for sure, and if it's compelling enough, dude, I will.
(48:33):
We will get you on here and we will talk
about it. Yes, I will one. I will do it,
no worries at all. But along with all the social media,
like I said before, check out our Patreon. We got
some cool tears over there as well, YouTube anywhere. Like
I said, anywhere you can search us. We're going to
be there, interact to the posts like it, give us
a review on wherever you're listening to this, and as always.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Remember just because your paranoid doesn't mean in there not watching.
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