July 7, 2025 • 86 mins
She was a pioneer, a record-breaker, and a global icon—and then she vanished. For decades, the disappearance of Amelia Earhart has baffled historians and fueled endless theories. In this episode of The Paranoid Perspective, we explore what really might have happened on her final flight. Was it a simple crash, a secret spy mission gone wrong, or something far stranger?
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The Paranoid Perspective. I'm Jake and I'm Sarah. Today we
are talking about a story that I guarantee everyone has
heard about in some sort of capacity. So what are
we talking about today, Sarah.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
About the disappearance of Amelia Earhart. So really excited for
this one.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, well it's one of those like so that's kind
of what I like about looking back through history, Like
there was a point in time where we talked about
today where we don't really know a whole lot about
the natural world, But there was a point in time
not too long ago we really didn't know shit about shit.
The people were. It was just like I'm gonna get
on a boat and I'm going that way, or I'm
(02:02):
gonna get on a plane and I'm just gonna fly,
you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Dude, Yeah, and hope it works out the.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Courage of those individuals to be able just to be
like fuck it, we're doing it, like man.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty crazy. Well, so Fred Noonan was
with her, so he also disappeared. No one talks about him,
so we're gonna talk about him a little bit too.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
We're getting everybody that disappeared on that.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah. Yeah, So for people who might not know, I guess.
On June first, nineteen thirty seven, Amelia Earhart and Fred
Noonan attempt to circumnavigate the globe around the equator specifically,
so this would have been the longest distance flight recorded
since it was around the equator, and Earhart would be
(02:49):
the first woman to be the pilot for that kind
of trip.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Now, correct me if I'm wrong. People had circumnavigated parts
of the world, but nothing to that length right at
that point, Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, yeah, they had never done because that would be
the longest distance. It was the equator, so they had
done I don't know more north I think, but yeah,
So on July second is when disaster struck, So it
was a little bit more than a month. They were
very close to finishing. But then, you know, we'll get
(03:25):
into it, but they disappeared in the Pacific. So, but
first I'd look to get a little bit of Airhart's background,
like how she grew up. So she was born July
twenty fourth, eighteen ninety seven, which is like crazy to
think about.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, so that's the thing. I can. I can fathom
the nineteen when someone's like, oh, yeah, whatever, But anytime
I hear eighteen, I'm like, that doesn't sound right.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
No, it sounds so far away, but it's not really.
But no, Yeah, so she was born in Kansas. I
don't really know that either, for her parents were Edwin
and Amy, So she was the second child after they
had an infant who had been still born the year before,
so she was the oldest alive. And then she had
a younger sister, Grace, And I guess their mom didn't
(04:14):
believe in raising like quiet girls, so like she let
them wear pants which they called bloomers then and like
have adventures kind of solo. So I feel like that
kind of kicked off the way Amelia was. And yeah,
and she was a tomboy too growing up, and they
were homeschooled, and then they moved to Des Moines, Iowa,
(04:35):
so then she had to enter public school in seventh
grade there, so she was like twelve. But then when
she was sixteen, in nineteen fourteen, her father was forced
to retire from his job. He was a claims officer
for the Rock Island Railroad. He had problems with drinking.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Wells, as one does during that time.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, so he lost his job. And then at the
same time, her grandma died suddenly. So her grandma left
an estate in Amelia's mom's trust fund because she was
afraid that Amelia's dad would take it to drink. Yeah,
so then they yeah, but then they couldn't access that
(05:20):
for a while. I'm not really sure what happened, but
since it's not a trust and everything, so they had
to sell their home. So then Amelia said that was
kind of the end of her childhood in her mind.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, yeah, I mean this happened, well, and you got
to grow up really quick when that sort of tragedy
strikes and you don't have any money.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, So they moved to Chicago. She finished her schooling
at Hyde Park High School in nineteen sixteen. So then
she ended up visiting her sister in Toronto and she
saw a lot of wounded soldiers coming back from World
War One, and she also trained as a nurse's aide
from the Red Cross to try and help these people,
(06:00):
and that's when she started hearing stories from military pilots,
and then she was interested in flying from those stories.
So it's not like something she always was interested in.
But then the Spanish Blue hit in nineteen eighteen and
she ended up being hospitalized for pneumonia in November and
she was discharged in December, so that was okay, but
(06:23):
she ended up having sinus related symptoms for like a year,
and then she had chronic sinusitis like come and go
for the rest of her life because of that.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, I'm yeah, a quick note on that. That was
like the big pandemic then. And I've always been kind
of curious if we're going to be talking in you know,
sixty years from now about people that have the same issue,
you know what I mean, right, which I guarantee you
it's going to happen, just because of how rampant and
bad it was for a lot of people. So same thing,
(06:54):
you know, even almost a century ago.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, or like people still can't taste smell right from COVID.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, from what I've heard, Yeah, for sure, it's kind
of nice to say that on social media and not
worry about getting banned. Now, yeah, we can say the
Sarah right.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
But yeah, the the sinosyitis did affect her flying sometimes
and she'd have to wear a bandage on her cheek.
I guess she had like a small drainage tube like
out of her cheek. So but then December nineteen twenty,
she flew as a passenger with Frank Hawks, who he
later became a famous air racer. But she said. After
(07:36):
she flew with him, she knew she had a flyplanes.
So like the next month she booked her first flying
instructor for five hundred dollars, which was eight thousand.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah. I was going to say that was a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah. So her first lesson was January third, nineteen twenty one,
and then six months later she bought a yellow Kinner
airster biplane, which she nicknamed the Canary. And then she
flew solo the first time with that plane. And then
(08:09):
October twenty second, nineteen twenty two, she flew her plane
to an altitude of fourteen thousand feet, which that was
a record for female pilots. I guess they never could
have flown. I don't know why that's a record. No
one had gone that high as a woman, I guess. So.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Ay, you know, at that point, we're pushing boundaries and
doesn't even matter what we're pushing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah. So, on May sixteenth, nineteen twenty three, she ended
up being the sixteenth woman in the US to be
issued a pilot's license.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah. So I don't know who these other people were before.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
That, though, hum, I'd be interested to find out.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah. So, in the early nineteen twenties, she had an
investment in a gypsum mind but then that ended up failing,
so she really like lost most of her money, and
she was used her inheritance from her grandma to fund
her pilot classes and stuff, so she ended up having
to sell the Canary and she bought a yellow two
(09:10):
seat automobile which she nicknamed the Yellow Peril, so she
was grounded for a little bit. But then her parents
ended up divorcing in nineteen twenty four, so she drove
her mom from California to Alberta, Canada with all in
that car. Yeah, yeah, so far, but she't had anything
(09:31):
else today, I guess.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I suppose.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
They did stop in Boston where she had another sinus operation,
which at that point was pretty successful, and she didn't
seem to have as much issue after that. But she
did also find employment a little bit in Boston as
a teacher and then a social worker, and then she
also joined the American Aeronautical Society's Boston chapter, where she
(09:57):
became vice president eventually nice and she wrote a lot
of newspaper columns during this time too, promoting flying, and
she laid out plans for making an organization that was
dedicated for female pilots. She was just randomly called out
of the blue on April nineteen twenty eight, I guess
(10:21):
because all of her stuff was flying and stuff. But
she they asked if she wanted to do a transatlantic
flight with pilot Wilmer Stoltz and copia Lewis Gordon. So
she agreed to do that. So she wasn't really she
wasn't flying that still, she was like the passenger. Yeah, yeah,
but I think for publicity or not really sure why. Yeah,
(10:46):
but they left Newfoundland on June seventeenth, nineteen twenty eight,
and they landed in South Wales hours and forty minutes later.
Very long flight. But yeah, she didn't help pilot, like
I said, But this trip gave her the idea to
do her own like long distance solo trips.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So the first one was August nineteen twenty eight. She
flew across the north North American continent and back.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Okay, so just like back and forth pretty much. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And then after she did that trip, she became a celebrity.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I guess one does.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, she was dubbed yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well I mean especially at that time. I mean, yeah,
women weren't doing that sort of thing. I mean, yeah,
you're a modern day rock star because you know your
mom what you wear pants?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, she's so hip and edgy. She was dubbed Lady
Lindy as well as Queen of the air That was
her nicknames after.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Sold between of the airport. Lady Lindy what the what
the hell was that from?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Maybe her middle name, I'm not really sure. Yeah, I
don't know her middle name. But and then she ended
up going on lecture tours for two years, and she
published a book and it did a lot of product promotion,
like women's clothing and cigarettes. So she was just enjoying
her celebrity.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I can't yeah status, Hey, it happens to me all
the time. You got to get yours too, Okay, So I.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Got it now. Yeah. And she used like all the
money she was getting from this to finance her flying
so she could do all of her trips. Still, she
also promoted aviation a lot, and she was a really
big factor in like public acceptance of commercial air travel.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Too well, because I think it's one of those things
that obviously people now take for granted, but that wasn't
something that everybody just did. It was a group of
people that were flying these planes because I mean, you
have to think that this is such even still as
such a at that time was still such a new
(13:06):
technology and like cutting.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Edge, right, and I think people were afraid probably and
it was probably expensive, and well it'd.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Be It'd be the same thing right now if somebody
was like, hey, uh, we're doing the first couple hundred
people that are going to Mars. Who's going Yeah, there's
going to be some people, but a lot of people
are going to be like, no, I'm going to allowed to
go for like a couple thousand before I know that
it's a that's.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Good, right, Yeah, that's true. So at that time, she
was engaged to Samuel Chapman and he was a chemical
engineer in Boston, but she ended up breaking it off
with him in November nineteen twenty eight, and then he
she eventually married George Putnam, which was her publisher for
(13:53):
her book. So they got married February nineteen thirty one, so,
you know, a couple years after she broke it up.
So it's proper.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Maybe she's not just jumping over to the next guy,
you know, but.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
She I guess she's quoted as believing in equal responsibilities
during the marriage, and she also refused to take his
last name.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So that's pretty that that is really edgy for the time.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah right, yeah, but she's a celebrity status, so it's
probably more accepted. But I don't know sure.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
But even even that, like it was pretty like especially
in North America, mostly America or the United States that
you know, there there were the roles that you played.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
You know, right, Yeah, And I guess George sometimes was
even called mister Earhart, So I wonder how he felt
about that.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
But probably not too great, but considering the circumstances, I
guess I could understand.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah. So in May nineteen thirty two, so she did
her first transatlantic solo flight. So she went from Newfoundland
to Northern Ireland and that took almost fifteen hours, So
she became the first woman to fly solo NonStop across
the Atlantic. I mean that's a long time. And then
(15:17):
you know, she did a lot of other ones, like
she flew from Hawaii to California, from LA to Mexico City,
Mexico City to New York. I mean, she was just
always doing this and she participated in long distance air
racing too, I guess cool. Yeah, So between nineteen thirty
and nineteen thirty five she set seven women's speed and
(15:39):
distance aviation records. The next thing she wanted to do
was a trip around the Equator because that would be
the most distance. So she started planning this trip in
nineteen thirty five, and she decided like all the stops
that she would be taking on that trip to like
stay as close to the Equator as she could. So,
you know, there's studys being an island or something, so
(16:00):
it wasn't exactly the equator. But she also got funding
from Purdue University to build a custom Lockheed Electra TENE
which had modifications to allow for extra fuel tanks so
she could make this trip. Yeah. So the plan was
a two person crew, so she would be flying and
then she'd have a navigator. And her first navigator was
(16:23):
Captain Harry Manning, and he was also a pilot and
a skilled radio operator who knew Morse code, so that'd
be helpful.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
So during practices though, they like practiced across the US together,
he started getting concerned, well, no Putnam, her fiance whatever
whoever husband, I guess, he started getting getting concerned with
the navigator because I guess there were some errors, like
small errors that he was doing. Like Earhart would use
(16:56):
landmarks to know where she was. I don't know how
you can see so high up though a landmark, but
I don't know that's how she would do it. But
then he was using a navigation fix, which I guess
using that put them slightly off course, but he thought
it was fine. But then, you know, such a big
distance to be off course, you're gonna end up.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Well at all where you are. Yeah, I was going
to say, and especially if you're planning to circumnavigate the equator,
a large portion of that trip is going to be
over the ocean, where you do not have landmarks, and
you aren't going to be able to you know, if
you have a small error, like you said, even a degree,
and you go a couple hundred miles, that's going to
take you way off course, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I mean they also did a night flight test which
like had poor conditions of course, so then his positioning
ended up being off by twenty miles.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, So they didn't feel comfortable with this, so they
got rid of him, and then they picked Fred Noonan
as the new navigator. So I'm just gonna say a
little bit about him too, because.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
No one, oh yeah for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah. He was born April fourth, eighteen ninety three, so
he is like only four years older than Air and
he was born in Cook County, Illinois. But he didn't
have the best childhood. So his mother died when he
was four, and his father was reported in a census
as like living alone when he would have been seven,
(18:25):
So it seems like not really sure where he grew up,
but not with his dad and maybe other relatives or
friends or something. But he ended up leaving school in
the summer of nineteen oh five, so he was twelve.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, he wasn't even a teenager.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
No, and he went to Seattle like alone. I guess.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Shit, Yeah, from Midwest to Pacific Northwest is no big
deal as a twelve year old.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, I guess just top trains or something. Yeah, I
don't know. He became a seaman at an early age,
so he was shipped out when he was seventeen on
a British sailing ship called the Crompton. So between nineteen
ten and nineteen fifteen he worked on over a dozen ships,
and during World War One he served aboard several merchant
(19:15):
ships for America in Britain. He never did serve in
the navy. Overall, he had a twenty two year career
at sea, which included sailing around Cape Horn seven times.
So after this he wanted a new career direction. So
he learned to fly in the late nineteen twenties and
(19:36):
he received a limited commercial pilot's license in nineteen thirty.
So he ended up working for pan Am in the
early nineteen thirty as a navigation instructor, and he was
also really important in charting the commercial airline routes like
across the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
That we happened.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
But then I guess something happened after his last flight.
It was like a sixteen day like marathon as a
navigator for the Philippine Clipper, which concluded on December senteen
thirty six. So he apparently said at the end of that,
like we've lived on promises for a year, I'm through,
and then he resigned immediately, So I'm not sure what happened. Yeah,
(20:20):
but that opened him up to be Earharts navigatory.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It all worked well.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, yeah, So yeah, they had met through mutual connections
in the La Aviation community, so he agrees to be
her navigator. Their first attempt was actually March seventeenth. They're
supposed to do the sixteenth, but they had to delay
a day because of the weather. And they were going
to go from California to Hawaii as the first part,
(20:49):
and they were going to go was that west around
That was the idea, and they had well, first they
had Amelia and Fred and the other guy like Manning,
and this other guy Mance. I just have the list,
so I'm not sure why there were four in the
thing at first. But after they landed, there were problems
(21:11):
with the aircraft and it needed servicing. So then it
took three days to do that, and they were going
to take off from Hawaii to Howland Island, but the
flight like couldn't get off the ground, like the landing
gear failed and it ended up like the wing came
down and it like scraped on its belly. So they're
(21:31):
not really sure what happened with that, but she thought
either the tire had blown or the landing gear collapsed.
So but other people that were there they said it
was pilot error. So they're already thrown shade at Amelia.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Well as one does when you're a you know, hot
shot celebrity woman in the mid thirties.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So yeah, yeah, So they did a second attempt on
June first, So this is where they actually took off,
and it was also unpublicized, and they had to go
east to west instead of west to east because of
like the weather patterns since it had been delayed for
(22:15):
like three months or two months or whatever. So they
went from California to Miami, and on this flight only
Fred was with her. I think the other two were
like didn't like her or were worried about if they
thought it was pilot error, so.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
They would probably the ones being asshole saying it was pilot.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Error, right, Yeah, So it just ended up being Fred
and Amelia. So they had stops in South America, Africa, India,
Southeast Asia, and they arrived in New Guinea on June
twenty ninth, so it'd already been twenty eight days.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, okay, I was about to say almost a month.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, So at this point they had covered twenty two
thousand miles already and they only needed seven thousand left,
so they were on the home stretch. But this would
be like over the entire Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I'd say, this is the long haul that is going
to be kind of scary.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah. So on July second, they took off from New
Guinea and they wanted to go to Helen Island, which
is like a very flat like sliver of land, like
it's very easy to miss and I don't know, it's
only like a mile by two miles.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah, And I guess she also, like she had been
with her sloverty status, she had been like friends with
the first lady at the time was whoever that was,
I don't remember. I just watched a video on it
and I don't remember who it was, but they were friends,
and she convinced the US government to make a airstrip
(23:49):
on Helen Island just for her thing, because there was
like nothing there, and she was like, you know, I
really want to do this and make it and I
need a place to land, and they ended up making
her an airstrip there, so.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well, talk about being important.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, so that's crazy. But yeah, so there's literally nothing
there except an airstrip that they had just made like
a year ago or something. So the expected flight time
was supposed to be eighteen hours, and they left with
eleven hundred gallons of gasoline, and then their last known
position report was near Nukumanu Islands, which was about eight
(24:27):
hundred miles into the flight, so not that Yeah. So
this eighteen hour like flight time was calculated by Fred Noonan,
which like calculating it involves using like the onboard compass
to like set their bearing and then calculate the amount
of time it should take, like when you know the
(24:48):
headwind and the speed that you're going. And also they
didn't aim directly at the Helen Island because they were
timing themselves, so they knew if they hit like eighteen
hours and they couldn't find it, then they should turn
like north or south to get to it. I gotcha
to make a yeah, because if they had passed the
time and they were going directly towards it never saw it,
(25:09):
they wouldn't know which way to go. So they picked
I'm not sure which direction they picked, but they either
picked north or south. They calculated the time, and they
were on their way. But then the ground crew, like
they had estimated the headwind was twenty four kilometers per hour,
but then twenty minutes later they warned Amelia that the
headwinds were stronger and she didn't acknowledge receiving this message,
(25:33):
so their calculations already off, so I don't know how much.
But he also did celestial navigation where he took like
measurements of the sun, moon and stars to like verify
their position, so I guess he was doing that over time.
But like I said about the other kind of navigation
they that other guy was doing, like you can miscalculate
(25:54):
like small on this one and then it could cause
huge descrepancies still over our distances. So so that's not
the best like backup plan. And I guess the same
issue had happened earlier in their journey over the Atlantic
where they ended up being slightly off and they didn't
(26:15):
land in their intended airport because they couldn't see it
and it was like hazy conditions as well, so they
ended up landing like slightly north of it in a
different location. But it's like you can't do that when
you have just howl Island and Howland Island.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, surrounded by hundreds, if not thousands of miles of
Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, so that was a little concerning. But they're flying
so and they don't make it obviously, so we'll get
to that. But the US Coast Guard also sent three
different I don't think they're battleships, but like ships, I guess. Yeah, Okay,
(26:57):
they posted they were one was halfway between like New
Guinea and Halen Island, and then one was at Hallan Island,
and then one was like past that, like halfway between
Helen Island and Hawaii. So they were supposed to do
like smoke stacks and stuff to help her, okay, as
(27:17):
a positional, and I guess she never saw any of them,
so that's a concern, but yeah, way off then, Yeah,
I don't know what happened. But they were also supposed
to so Itasca was the one by the island. So
the ITASCO is also supposed to transmit a radio homing
signal to make it find, like make it easier to
(27:39):
find without the celestial navigation, because she had like radios
on the airplane and she could like position the radio
and it would if you turn it, then it'll catch
the way like the radio wave, and then when she
hears it, they're supposed to just kind of do like
one like steady letter in Morse code or something. So
(28:04):
once she heard it, she could see which way the
radio thing is positioned and could know to go that way,
but she didn't hear that either. Apparently she never found that.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Multiple levels of failures.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah right, And like I said that, they were supposed
to use the boilers to make smoke, which would create
a dark column of smoke that like they'd be able
to see over the horizon, but that didn't help either,
because that day there were a lot of low clouds,
so they're thinking that the smoke ended up just looking
like the clouds.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, So yeah, all these methods that they had and
none of them worked, so and they had like four
ideas or whatever. But also they were meant to use
voice communications at like thirteen hundred and five killer Hurtz
during the night at sixty two hundred and ten kill
(29:02):
Hurts during the day. But there was some kind of
misunderstanding with this as well, because Earhart was using Greenwich
meantime and the ITASCA was using a naval time zone
designation system, so they weren't the right times.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, so they're off on not only you know, possibly
a very bad calculation of headwind versus speed, and also
different times from what they're trying to communicate with.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yes, yeah, and so you know they were probably switching
the hurts to to be at different times.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
She also had an our DF beacon to find that TASCO,
which the plane could listen, like I said, while rotating
it and stuff, so you know, a sharp minimum and
maximum would indicate that that's the direction to go when
she turned to the thing. But I guess her URDF
equipment failed during an early leg of the trip and
(30:02):
it was replaced, and it might not have been replaced correctly, So.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
It sounds like everything else was messed up.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah. Well, also though she could she could hear the
transmission from the Itaska at like seventy five hundred killer hertz,
but I guess when it's that high, like if it's
above I think I read like five thousand or something,
then the way it bounces off the atmosphere, it's going
to give you false readings like directions, like it'll come
(30:30):
for many different Yeah, so she could hear it, but
she couldn't get the proper direction off of it because
it was like everywhere, right, So none of that worked.
And also there were not I think the itask I
didn't have voice, Like, there wasn't a way for them
to talk to each other. They had to use like
(30:52):
just the beeps or Morse code or something else like.
So that's fun.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
But well, so that's the thing I was going to say,
like back then, like I think, once again, we're looking
at a perspective of like where we live now, communication
fucking sucked. Yeah, like even in the eighties and nineties
to some extent, you know what I mean. I can't
even imagine just waiting for some frequency or some morrise
(31:19):
code just to help me get to where I need
to go while I'm surrounded by nothing but ocean. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
And also people say, like RDF equipment at that time
was not designed to work above two thousand killer her seconds.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Okay, Well, and.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I guess there's a couple sources too that said she
maybe didn't understand that system very well because it had
just been fitted to the aircraft before they took off
at the beginning of the trip, and she hadn't really
needed it until now, I see, So she might not
have really known what was going on anyway.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
With the.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Okay, So the ITASCA received calls, so I think they
could hear her. She couldn't hear them, so they received
calls from her at two forty five am and at
five am on July second, with like routine reports, and
she couldn't hear back from them, which I think they
were thinking they would be able to talk. At six
(32:21):
fourteen am, another call was received stating that the aircraft
was within two hundred miles of the ship and for
the ship to use the smokestacks to try and let
her see where it was. And then radio operators on
the Itasca realized that their art DF system was not
tuning in to the aircraft's like thirty one oh five
(32:44):
frequency that they had agreed on, so they just couldn't
I don't think that worked at all. And at six
forty five am, she asked like for a bearing, and
had estimated that they were one hundred miles out, but
she literally couldn't see like anything. She's like she couldn't
in a nose ship, no, nothing, like she couldn't find
(33:04):
anything to home in on, and they're like one hundred
miles away and I have to be terrifying, Yeah, And
then at seven point thirty the radio logue said the
Earhart said she was on the northwest running out of
gas and she had only half an hour left and
she couldn't hear them. Then they said, like, we hear you,
(33:26):
and they were trying to do that frequency thing but
it wasn't working. And then again at seven forty two,
she said the gas was running low again and she
was unable to reach by radio, so they were flying
at one thousand feet to try and get closer to
see if they could find them at all, like the
ship and stuff. So they're flying pretty low.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, yeah, I was going to say, yeah, that's nothing.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah. And then at seven fifty oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Hang on just a second, my computer is freaking came
out right now. Okay, I might lose you for just
a second. Hangout, okay, okay, Jesus, I don't know what
was happening. That's weird, okay. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, So at seven fifty eight again she said she
couldn't hear the Taska. She asked them to send voice
signals so she could try to find it on the radio,
and it was reported by the Taska that this was
like the loudest possible signal that they got from her,
so that indicated they were like in the media area. Yeah,
I mean it's weird. Yeah, it's weird. They didn't like
(34:37):
see them at all.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, I mean if it's that if it's that close,
I mean you can, if it's flying that low and
that close, you would think they would even be able
to hear the plane possibly, like yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
That's why I think, I don't know, it's a little weird. Also,
they didn't have any flares or something they couldn't.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, that's another weird thing, Like the smokestack stuff. I
get because you know, that's how they're going to try
to help her make sure she's on course. But you're
talking to US Coast Guard personnel there. They would have
some sort of flare system, light system, some sort of
beacon to do something.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, so that's a little weird. But the TESCA couldn't
send a voice at the frequency that she was asking for,
so they sent morse code instead, which she did acknowledge
receiving that, but she still couldn't determine her direction from it.
I guess. So her last known transmission was at eight
forty three, so it's been almost an hour, like well
(35:42):
past when she said she wasn't had any gas. I
don't know. Yeah, it seems like because she said she
was running low at seven forty.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Two with a half hour three.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she said, we are on the
line one five seven three three seven, and they were
just going to follow that down. I guess like the
I guess that longitude right, And she said we will
repeat this message on sixty two to ten kilo cycles.
And then she said weight. I'm not really sure the
(36:13):
weight is four. But yeah, it seems like she thought
they had reached like Hollan's charted position, but I guess
they were incorrect by about five nautical miles.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Even still, like being that even being a thousand feet up,
you would be you would think you'd be able to
see some inkling of something, right, Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Little weird that like the ship never heard them at least,
like you said, like I could see her, not being
a sea the ship, but they should have seen her. Yeah,
they no one did at all. So yeah, and they
tried to generate smoke like one last time, and she
obviously didn't see it. And yeah, there were a lot
of clouds in the area and it caused like dark
(37:00):
shadows on the surface, so she probably just couldn't see it.
And the island's just so small, flat and ship you so,
so yeah, after this, they tried to reach her like
with voice and Morse code, but all everything was unsuccessful
after that, so they probably did crash at that point
(37:21):
I guess if they were, I mean an hour after
saying they have no gas or whatever. And the ITASCA
ended up searching north and west of Holland Island like
shortly after they received that last message, and the US
Navy also joined and looked for three days, and after
four days, the captain of the battleship Colorado was ordered
to take over all naval and Coast Guard units to
(37:44):
coordinate search efforts. And they also searched the Phoenix Islands,
which was south of Halland Island, and they searched Gardner Island.
And I have a map if you want to look
at it. Do you want to look at the map?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah? What's map?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Chairs? Green? Which one?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
No?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Pick a window?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
This one?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Okay? The map.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I see the map, Sarah, the technology this is this is.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Where they took off, and here's Hallan Island and then
Gardner Island's down there, and the Phoenix Island is not
on air.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
But I think it's just south of that.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I think it's in between. So there's the map. Sorry,
if you're just listening.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Pull up podcasting material right here.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Okay, Well they're both south of Hallan Island, so they
looked there. Let me stop sharing, okay. Yeah. And they
thought that she could have landed the plane in Gardner
Island because there's like a lagoon there and they could
have swam ashore onto Gardner Island. And they did see
signs of recent habitation on Gardner Island, but they didn't
(39:04):
see any people or wreckage. So I know, some other
castaway that they was.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Not luxy enough for found or unfortunate soul. Wouldn't that
be some shit if they're trying to find you know,
this celebrity, you know, sweetheart of American that is trying
to circumnavigate, and some dude is just like, oh my god,
I've been waiting for years, and they're like, we're not
looking for me. To go back to what you're doing, man.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, yeah, you're surviving here.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
You're fine surviving, you know, a woman and a man.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Oh okay, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
So they literally found nothing, like no recorge, like not
even a piece of anything, and they called up the
search on July nineteenth. So they searched for you know,
seventeen days. Yeah, and then her husband ended up financing
private search by local authorities, like immediately after the search
was called off. So he searched the Pacific Islands and
(40:00):
the waters around there, and he concentrated on the Gilbert,
which was also not well my second map.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
The hard part about this is that part of the
world there are like these hundreds, if not thousands, of
just these small, little tiny islands, you know, and at
that point in time, I mean, you weren't able to
truly what would be the best way to say that,
(40:29):
have like a productive search of that, you know what
I mean, Yeah, that would be so hard. I mean
it's hard now. I mean we talked about that with
what was the Yeah, the Malaysia flight. I mean it's
hard to do that now. So you're looking at like
I said, almost almost a decade ago. It's the same thing,
(40:52):
you know, yeah, not decades century. Sorry times wrong? Yeah,
correct me. Don't make me look like an idiot. People
are gonna say it's stupid.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
When you said it, I was like, Yep, that sounds right,
you know, I just added a zero. But automatically it
was like, yeah, yep, sounds good.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Don't mind, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
He also directed. He also directed searches on Phoenix Islands,
Christmas Island, Fanning Island, and the Marshall Islands, which the
Marshall Islands are north, so he went like north and south. Yeah,
and they did not find anything either. So and then
he requested to become the trustee of her estate to
(41:34):
finance these searches. And he also requested well because he
had she had money, nor state.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I know that, but if he's married to her, wouldn't
that automatically go.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I don't know, unless it was like her personal something,
because she wasn't declared dead.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yet, that's fair it was. It was probably because he
was all like, well, you have to be referred to
as mister Earhart from now on. Yeah, I ain't playing
that shit.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah. He also requested a declared death in absentia, which
I guess usually they wait seven years for that, but
he wanted to waive that.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, one of the money to help finance the search,
of course, yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah. So this was granted by the court in la
and as a result, she was declared legally dead on
January fifth, nineteen thirty nine, and she was forty one.
So it took two years still since or the year
and a half I guess, so I can get into
the theories. I mean, first, what do you think happened?
Speaker 2 (42:41):
I think I think they crashed a plane went to
the ocean, and it's like, that's that's what I think.
I don't. I've heard theories about like the Pacific Triangles
and like, you know, weird things that have happened, and
I'm just like, I'm here for the weird stuff and
interdimensional whatever voids and gaps and times and all that.
(43:04):
But No, realistically, I think they definitely just got off
course started running out of fuel. They were probably freaking
the fuck out, as you would running out of fuel
over the ocean. Yeah, the thought process as the fuel
started running down was probably getting to almost the point
(43:24):
of panic, and it probably got They probably sat it
down in the ocean. And I've heard that like water
landings are possible, but they're really really really hard to do.
You know. You usually end up like flipping when you
do that, and that shreds the plane. Yeah, and then
(43:45):
it's just yeah, there's no anything to be found because
everything is going to sink. Now, there very well could
have been some pieces that washed ashore on some of
these islands or some pieces that were floating. But once again,
at that time, I don't think like the people, especially
living in that area, probably weren't really worried about seeing
some floating metal de breed. They probably just thought like, oh,
(44:07):
that's weird.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Right, Yeah, you know, they probably didn't think too much
about it. Okay, Well, I have maybe three theories and
they're all basically based in reality. They're not that about
the triangle or whatever. Okay, Okay, So the first one
is that I mean that they crashed in sank Okay,
(44:30):
the crash and sink theory. So that's what it's called.
Most historians do think that's what happened. Like, you know,
they ran a fuel like you said, they had to
ditch into the sea and either the plane fall part
or not. But they ended up dying, you know, in
the ocean.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
As a result of the crash or drowning or something.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Right, Yeah, because the plane carried only enough fuel to
reach Hellan Island, and it did have a little bit
extra for contingencies, but it wasn't enough for like how
how long they were communicating with the Itaska.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, you're not going to get to any of the
other islands if that's where you're shooting for.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, and yeah, during the nineteen seventies, I guess a
retired US Navy Captain Lawrence Safford. He analyzed her flight
plan and concluded that the flight suffered from poor planning
worse execution dick. Yeah, so that's probably what happened. But
(45:28):
here's a couple other theories. So one is the Japanese
capture theory. So this says that they somehow navigated to
the Japanese South Seas Mandate and they crash landed on
the island of Saipan, where they were then captured and
(45:48):
executed by Japanese forces.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Okay, let me show you.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Let me share again. Let's see the screen where Saipan
is with my new map, second map, here's where they
were supposed to go, Howland Island and way to the
north and like back past where they started. I feel like,
is Saipan.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah okay, so instead of saying, hey, we're going to
go straight east relatively speaking, yeah, we're actually going to
go northwest when we take off in here right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yeah, they're so backwards and they don't know how to navigate.
Apparently that they're going to end up way over there.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, they made it what did you say, twenty two
thousand miles so far at that point, yes, right, so
they made it twenty two thousand miles and everything was
hunky dory as far as navigation goes, and then all
of a sudden they just don't know how to navigate.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Come on, man, right, Yeah, the theory did change to
the Marshall Islands, like they landed there, but that's still
I mean, that's more believable because it is north and like,
you know, east from where they started.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Well, so yeah, like we were talking about earlier, a
small deviation that that is definitely more plausible to me
that they ended up somewhere closer to the Marshall Islands,
hence why nobody could see them when they were coming
in and trying to figure out where they were at.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Right, Yeah, So let's stop sharing for now. I'll bring
it back up.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
We never stopped sharing something.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yeah, So there is a different variation of this theory
that the Japanese shot down her plane, like maybe from
one of their own ships or something. Okay, because I
guess since the end of World War Two, a location
on Tinian, which is five miles southwest of Saipan has
been rumored to be the grave of two Aviators. It
(47:52):
was the start of Warward two.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah, start.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yeah, So I guess there's a rumor that two aviators
are very there, which I don't know how they'd end
up there still, but I guess there was an archaeological
dig in two thousand and four though, and they didn't
find any boones.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
So well, so there's graves but no bodies.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, I guess they're grave robbing, but yeah, I don't know.
A number of her relatives have been convinced that the
Japanese were somehow involved, and I guess there's like witnesses,
but they're all of course they're unnamed, but they say,
like there's people in Saipan that say they saw them,
or like Japanese troops or whatever.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Well, I think a lot of that has to do
with when they attacked Pearl Harbor, Like everybody had this
overwhelming hatred for Japan so and it's close enough to win.
She disappeared to where they could attribute like, yeah, those
motherfuckers probably had something to do with it, you know.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah. So the last theory is the Gardner Island hypothesis,
which I guess the Gardener Island is now called Nicu Mororo.
Everybody thought that's what it's called now. But this so
that's like south of Highland Howland Island. Okay, So I
suggest that, you know, if they couldn't have found it
(49:14):
after their time had stopped and they turned whatever direction
they were supposed to go, and they wouldn't have kept
wasting time trying to find it, but they still were
communicating with thy Tasco. So I'm not sure about this,
but it says they would have tried to go south
looking for any other island to land, and the radio
(49:34):
transmission where they said one five seven three three seven
suggested like they flew a course for one hundred and
fifty seven degrees which would take them past Baker Island
and if they missed that island, then they would go
over like Gardner Island where which is now Niku Mororo.
So they could have ended up there. Let me sure
(49:55):
one if past time maybe well not one, I have
one more after this, but it's like almost directly south
of it.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah, that's okay, so yeah for a listener, so that
seems more Yeah for listeners that are you know, not
on the YouTube for this that makes a lot of
sense because it is literally almost due south, a little southeast,
but like it's almost.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
In line, right, yeah, and I can stop. Okay. So
a week after she had disappeared, like navy planes from
the USS Colorado said they searched the island, the Gardener Island,
and that's where they had seen recent habitation, but they
didn't see any plane or people. So some people say
(50:41):
maybe she was there. I don't know why she wouldn't
have got help or how they wouldn't find because it's
not a big None of these are big.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah, yeah, these these I don't really know. These are
so small. Like in World War two when the Japanese
was taken over, That's why they were able to control
so much of the Pacific Ocean so quick quickly because
they were just small island nations where they could just
come in, run shop and take over. And it's the
same thing that we did with the Marine Corps and
the Army when we you know, kicked him out of there.
(51:10):
We were island hopping. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
So April nineteen forty school was found on that island,
and other bones were found in September, So people like
I don't know where these ended up people collected them
and they ended up being ruled out because they thought
they were male bones at the time.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Okay, but she was with a guy.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Well yeah she was with Yeah, no one remembers him,
but they ruled it out, I guess. And these bones
went somewhere in a vault and no one can find
them now because like a scientist in twenty eighteen, like
ran the bones measurements from the data that was collected
in like forensic software like modern software and pared them
(52:00):
to like an estimation of like ear heart based on
like clothing and photographs, right, and the analysis found that
they matched Airhart better than ninety nine percent of other individuals.
So they're thinking this was her and the bones are lost,
(52:21):
so can't do anything else like DNA or anything at
this point. But they might have been hurt. So this
led to the theory that she somehow landed there and
survived a little.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Bit maybe possibly, and well if she did, if if
they did make it to an island, they would have
survived for at least a handful of days, you know,
right until they died of either dehydration or exposure or whatever,
you know, or if they had injuries from the plane crash,
(52:55):
you know. So, yeah, it makes sense if they did
make it to an island, and you probably would find something,
some remains of somebody, right.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
It just sucks that those are like disappeared.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
It's probably in some like rich Weirdo's house. That's like
it's like, oh, yes, come and check out my skull
of Amelia.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
This is where I you know, yeah, probably, Hey, if
you're listening, donate it to science.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
So we find out Rich weirdo that's listening to random
podcasts on the internet. If you have a million Earhart's skull,
give it back. It belongs in a museum, right.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Should at least the DNA testing. I don't know it
belongs in a museum.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Indiana Jones Sarah, come on, I haven't.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Watched that in a long time. I'm just bad about whatever.
What's that called about, remembering like bank minds? Yeah, like
movie lines like I.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Know, I'm just giving you a ship whatever that's called.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
So for there was a million dollar expedition by Tony
Romeo and his Deep Sea Vision team. So he's based
in South Carolina and he's a deep sea explorer that's
his job, I guess, and he had captured a sonar
image of an aircraft shaped object in the Pacific Ocean,
(54:19):
so he thought maybe it was hers. But when they
did go down to see, they saw in November that
it was a rock formation that just happened to look
like an airplane.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
But most recently, this is the most recent update. An
Oregon based archaeologist, doctor Richard pettigrew, He's gonna go to
Niku Mororo Island and investigate a visual anomaly that has
been found like since twenty fifteen, like via satellite, and
he says, this looks like a plane like her. Could
(54:51):
have been hertplane really? And I guess yeah. The object
is called the tartara Ya Taraia.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
We'll go.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
I checked. Yeah, it's like t A r A I
A tera eyah, okay, let me share last time. I'm
sharing my screen. This is flagged on Google Maps because
I looked yesterday and you can see on Google Maps
the tie.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
The tip.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
But I don't know. They're saying this looks like an airplane,
like the tail and the body.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
I guess, yeah, it definitely is airplane shaped for sure.
Sitting yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
It's like right off the cut.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
I was going to say it's like literally maybe fifteen
twenty yards off the beach, you know.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, and it's in shallow water so should be easy
to explore. Yeah. He said that it was found in
twenty fifteen because like a storm was it like a
storm surge had uncovered some of the sediments, so it
I sink, it became visible.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Yeah, so it wasn't always right, Okay, I got you.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Yeah, it had been covered up by sediment and stuff,
but then in twenty fifteen from storm currents, it was
partially uncovered. It has been like less defined on the
satellite like since then, so maybe it's getting covered again. Well,
but they know it's still right yeah, yeah, and it's
marked on Google Maps, so they're going to be able
to find it. But he said his team's going to
(56:32):
go look there in August. But first, yeah, but first
he said, he has to have financial backing. Of course,
like dude, how shallow is this? Can't we just go
scuba diving?
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, well, he wants we have to have we got
to set up stuff, and we got to get people
out there, and we got to have it like sums.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
Like a like a robotics submersible, so you don't have
to go. I mean I feel like it's like literally
right there. You could probably snorkel and see it.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, I like it. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Yeah, so I don't know. He has currently raised four
hundred thousand dollars and he's hoping to raise five hundred
thousand more before going, although this was in January when
I read this, so maybe this raised more. But he
doesn't have that much time left right that much?
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Hey man, I was going to say it's as of
recording this. I'm not going to say, because you know
this is going to be out a little lighter. But
he doesn't have very long at all.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
No, but we might have an update in August if
he goes and looks maybe we should go. Maybe we
should get financial backing for almost a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
Hey, fans of this show, right now, we're going to
go find Amelia Earhart's playing before this other asshole. We
need at least a million dollars, and we need it
before August. We actually probably needed the race or mid July.
That way we can get there biography, you know what
(58:07):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
I mean we're on vacation though mid July, so I'm
not going to make it.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
I don't know, man, if we can discover a million
ear hearts plan, I think it's worth not going.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
I mean, it would be interesting to see like where
it happened, I guess, or to have a definitive yeah.
I mean she's definitely died. Fred died with her, like
what happened?
Speaker 2 (58:35):
Yeah, well, And I think that's one of those things
that I think why these stories intrigger so much is
because not only do we have a very charismatic individual
that was celebrity status, but then to have no resolve
to the story. You know, there's nothing that we have
we I mean, you can speculate, and the speculation that
she crashed and they both died is pretty likely. But
(58:56):
I mean, once again, you don't know.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
Right, maybe she lived on this island for days. I
mean they searched, though, That's what I don't understand. They
searched like all this place that you'd think you'd see
some debris, because they searched like pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
I don't know, man, because it's because the ocean is
so big and it's hard to spot stuff like that,
you know.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
Yeah, I mean if it was in the middle of
the ocean, but if she made it close to an
island and they were searching these islands, you'd think they
would have found, Yeah, some piece of debris.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
I don't know, I mean depending on the weather. Like
you said, maybe it was a storm, you know, kicked
up a bunch of salt and sediment and obscured it.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
So yeah, so well, yeah, that's what I have on
her though. And Fred, don't.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
Don't forget Fred. That needs to be part of the title.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
Okay, Amelia Earhart, don't forget Fred.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
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The Paranoid Perspective. I'm Jake and I'm Sarah. Today we
are talking about a story that I guarantee everyone has
heard about in some sort of capacity. So what are
we talking about today, Sarah.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
About the disappearance of Amelia Earhart. So really excited for
this one.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yeah, well it's one of those like so that's kind
of what I like about looking back through history, Like
there was a point in time where we talked about
today where we don't really know a whole lot about
the natural world, But there was a point in time
not too long ago we really didn't know shit about shit.
The people were. It was just like I'm gonna get
on a boat and I'm going that way, or I'm
(02:02):
gonna get on a plane and I'm just gonna fly,
you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Dude, Yeah, and hope it works out the.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Courage of those individuals to be able just to be
like fuck it, we're doing it, like man.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's pretty crazy. Well, so Fred Noonan was
with her, so he also disappeared. No one talks about him,
so we're gonna talk about him a little bit too.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
We're getting everybody that disappeared on that.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Yeah. Yeah, So for people who might not know, I guess.
On June first, nineteen thirty seven, Amelia Earhart and Fred
Noonan attempt to circumnavigate the globe around the equator specifically,
so this would have been the longest distance flight recorded
since it was around the equator, and Earhart would be
(02:49):
the first woman to be the pilot for that kind
of trip.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Now, correct me if I'm wrong. People had circumnavigated parts
of the world, but nothing to that length right at
that point, Okay.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, yeah, they had never done because that would be
the longest distance. It was the equator, so they had
done I don't know more north I think, but yeah,
So on July second is when disaster struck, So it
was a little bit more than a month. They were
very close to finishing. But then, you know, we'll get
(03:25):
into it, but they disappeared in the Pacific. So, but
first I'd look to get a little bit of Airhart's background,
like how she grew up. So she was born July
twenty fourth, eighteen ninety seven, which is like crazy to
think about.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, so that's the thing. I can. I can fathom
the nineteen when someone's like, oh, yeah, whatever, But anytime
I hear eighteen, I'm like, that doesn't sound right.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
No, it sounds so far away, but it's not really.
But no, Yeah, so she was born in Kansas. I
don't really know that either, for her parents were Edwin
and Amy, So she was the second child after they
had an infant who had been still born the year before,
so she was the oldest alive. And then she had
a younger sister, Grace, And I guess their mom didn't
(04:14):
believe in raising like quiet girls, so like she let
them wear pants which they called bloomers then and like
have adventures kind of solo. So I feel like that
kind of kicked off the way Amelia was. And yeah,
and she was a tomboy too growing up, and they
were homeschooled, and then they moved to Des Moines, Iowa,
(04:35):
so then she had to enter public school in seventh
grade there, so she was like twelve. But then when
she was sixteen, in nineteen fourteen, her father was forced
to retire from his job. He was a claims officer
for the Rock Island Railroad. He had problems with drinking.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Wells, as one does during that time.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, so he lost his job. And then at the
same time, her grandma died suddenly. So her grandma left
an estate in Amelia's mom's trust fund because she was
afraid that Amelia's dad would take it to drink. Yeah,
so then they yeah, but then they couldn't access that
(05:20):
for a while. I'm not really sure what happened, but
since it's not a trust and everything, so they had
to sell their home. So then Amelia said that was
kind of the end of her childhood in her mind.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Well, yeah, I mean this happened, well, and you got
to grow up really quick when that sort of tragedy
strikes and you don't have any money.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, So they moved to Chicago. She finished her schooling
at Hyde Park High School in nineteen sixteen. So then
she ended up visiting her sister in Toronto and she
saw a lot of wounded soldiers coming back from World
War One, and she also trained as a nurse's aide
from the Red Cross to try and help these people,
(06:00):
and that's when she started hearing stories from military pilots,
and then she was interested in flying from those stories.
So it's not like something she always was interested in.
But then the Spanish Blue hit in nineteen eighteen and
she ended up being hospitalized for pneumonia in November and
she was discharged in December, so that was okay, but
(06:23):
she ended up having sinus related symptoms for like a year,
and then she had chronic sinusitis like come and go
for the rest of her life because of that.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, I'm yeah, a quick note on that. That was
like the big pandemic then. And I've always been kind
of curious if we're going to be talking in you know,
sixty years from now about people that have the same issue,
you know what I mean, right, which I guarantee you
it's going to happen, just because of how rampant and
bad it was for a lot of people. So same thing,
(06:54):
you know, even almost a century ago.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, or like people still can't taste smell right from COVID.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, from what I've heard, Yeah, for sure, it's kind
of nice to say that on social media and not
worry about getting banned. Now, yeah, we can say the
Sarah right.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
But yeah, the the sinosyitis did affect her flying sometimes
and she'd have to wear a bandage on her cheek.
I guess she had like a small drainage tube like
out of her cheek. So but then December nineteen twenty,
she flew as a passenger with Frank Hawks, who he
later became a famous air racer. But she said. After
(07:36):
she flew with him, she knew she had a flyplanes.
So like the next month she booked her first flying
instructor for five hundred dollars, which was eight thousand.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah. I was going to say that was a lot.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah. So her first lesson was January third, nineteen twenty one,
and then six months later she bought a yellow Kinner
airster biplane, which she nicknamed the Canary. And then she
flew solo the first time with that plane. And then
(08:09):
October twenty second, nineteen twenty two, she flew her plane
to an altitude of fourteen thousand feet, which that was
a record for female pilots. I guess they never could
have flown. I don't know why that's a record. No
one had gone that high as a woman, I guess. So.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Ay, you know, at that point, we're pushing boundaries and
doesn't even matter what we're pushing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah. So, on May sixteenth, nineteen twenty three, she ended
up being the sixteenth woman in the US to be
issued a pilot's license.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeah. So I don't know who these other people were before.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
That, though, hum, I'd be interested to find out.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
Yeah. So, in the early nineteen twenties, she had an
investment in a gypsum mind but then that ended up failing,
so she really like lost most of her money, and
she was used her inheritance from her grandma to fund
her pilot classes and stuff, so she ended up having
to sell the Canary and she bought a yellow two
(09:10):
seat automobile which she nicknamed the Yellow Peril, so she
was grounded for a little bit. But then her parents
ended up divorcing in nineteen twenty four, so she drove
her mom from California to Alberta, Canada with all in
that car. Yeah, yeah, so far, but she't had anything
(09:31):
else today, I guess.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I suppose.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
They did stop in Boston where she had another sinus operation,
which at that point was pretty successful, and she didn't
seem to have as much issue after that. But she
did also find employment a little bit in Boston as
a teacher and then a social worker, and then she
also joined the American Aeronautical Society's Boston chapter, where she
(09:57):
became vice president eventually nice and she wrote a lot
of newspaper columns during this time too, promoting flying, and
she laid out plans for making an organization that was
dedicated for female pilots. She was just randomly called out
of the blue on April nineteen twenty eight, I guess
(10:21):
because all of her stuff was flying and stuff. But
she they asked if she wanted to do a transatlantic
flight with pilot Wilmer Stoltz and copia Lewis Gordon. So
she agreed to do that. So she wasn't really she
wasn't flying that still, she was like the passenger. Yeah, yeah,
but I think for publicity or not really sure why. Yeah,
(10:46):
but they left Newfoundland on June seventeenth, nineteen twenty eight,
and they landed in South Wales hours and forty minutes later.
Very long flight. But yeah, she didn't help pilot, like
I said, But this trip gave her the idea to
do her own like long distance solo trips.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So the first one was August nineteen twenty eight. She
flew across the north North American continent and back.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Okay, so just like back and forth pretty much. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
And then after she did that trip, she became a celebrity.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I guess one does.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Yeah, she was dubbed yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Well I mean especially at that time. I mean, yeah,
women weren't doing that sort of thing. I mean, yeah,
you're a modern day rock star because you know your
mom what you wear pants?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Right?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, she's so hip and edgy. She was dubbed Lady
Lindy as well as Queen of the air That was
her nicknames after.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Sold between of the airport. Lady Lindy what the what
the hell was that from?
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Maybe her middle name, I'm not really sure. Yeah, I
don't know her middle name. But and then she ended
up going on lecture tours for two years, and she
published a book and it did a lot of product promotion,
like women's clothing and cigarettes. So she was just enjoying
her celebrity.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
I can't yeah status, Hey, it happens to me all
the time. You got to get yours too, Okay, So I.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Got it now. Yeah. And she used like all the
money she was getting from this to finance her flying
so she could do all of her trips. Still, she
also promoted aviation a lot, and she was a really
big factor in like public acceptance of commercial air travel.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
Too well, because I think it's one of those things
that obviously people now take for granted, but that wasn't
something that everybody just did. It was a group of
people that were flying these planes because I mean, you
have to think that this is such even still as
such a at that time was still such a new
(13:06):
technology and like cutting.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Edge, right, and I think people were afraid probably and
it was probably expensive, and well it'd.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Be It'd be the same thing right now if somebody
was like, hey, uh, we're doing the first couple hundred
people that are going to Mars. Who's going Yeah, there's
going to be some people, but a lot of people
are going to be like, no, I'm going to allowed to
go for like a couple thousand before I know that
it's a that's.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Good, right, Yeah, that's true. So at that time, she
was engaged to Samuel Chapman and he was a chemical
engineer in Boston, but she ended up breaking it off
with him in November nineteen twenty eight, and then he
she eventually married George Putnam, which was her publisher for
(13:53):
her book. So they got married February nineteen thirty one, so,
you know, a couple years after she broke it up.
So it's proper.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Maybe she's not just jumping over to the next guy,
you know, but.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
She I guess she's quoted as believing in equal responsibilities
during the marriage, and she also refused to take his
last name.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
So that's pretty that that is really edgy for the time.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Yeah right, yeah, but she's a celebrity status, so it's
probably more accepted. But I don't know sure.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
But even even that, like it was pretty like especially
in North America, mostly America or the United States that
you know, there there were the roles that you played.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
You know, right, Yeah, And I guess George sometimes was
even called mister Earhart, So I wonder how he felt
about that.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
But probably not too great, but considering the circumstances, I
guess I could understand.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah. So in May nineteen thirty two, so she did
her first transatlantic solo flight. So she went from Newfoundland
to Northern Ireland and that took almost fifteen hours, So
she became the first woman to fly solo NonStop across
the Atlantic. I mean that's a long time. And then
(15:17):
you know, she did a lot of other ones, like
she flew from Hawaii to California, from LA to Mexico City,
Mexico City to New York. I mean, she was just
always doing this and she participated in long distance air
racing too, I guess cool. Yeah, So between nineteen thirty
and nineteen thirty five she set seven women's speed and
(15:39):
distance aviation records. The next thing she wanted to do
was a trip around the Equator because that would be
the most distance. So she started planning this trip in
nineteen thirty five, and she decided like all the stops
that she would be taking on that trip to like
stay as close to the Equator as she could. So,
you know, there's studys being an island or something, so
(16:00):
it wasn't exactly the equator. But she also got funding
from Purdue University to build a custom Lockheed Electra TENE
which had modifications to allow for extra fuel tanks so
she could make this trip. Yeah. So the plan was
a two person crew, so she would be flying and
then she'd have a navigator. And her first navigator was
(16:23):
Captain Harry Manning, and he was also a pilot and
a skilled radio operator who knew Morse code, so that'd
be helpful.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
So during practices though, they like practiced across the US together,
he started getting concerned, well, no Putnam, her fiance whatever
whoever husband, I guess, he started getting getting concerned with
the navigator because I guess there were some errors, like
small errors that he was doing. Like Earhart would use
(16:56):
landmarks to know where she was. I don't know how
you can see so high up though a landmark, but
I don't know that's how she would do it. But
then he was using a navigation fix, which I guess
using that put them slightly off course, but he thought
it was fine. But then, you know, such a big
distance to be off course, you're gonna end up.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Well at all where you are. Yeah, I was going
to say, and especially if you're planning to circumnavigate the equator,
a large portion of that trip is going to be
over the ocean, where you do not have landmarks, and
you aren't going to be able to you know, if
you have a small error, like you said, even a degree,
and you go a couple hundred miles, that's going to
take you way off course, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I mean they also did a night flight test which
like had poor conditions of course, so then his positioning
ended up being off by twenty miles.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Yeah, So they didn't feel comfortable with this, so they
got rid of him, and then they picked Fred Noonan
as the new navigator. So I'm just gonna say a
little bit about him too, because.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
No one, oh yeah for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah. He was born April fourth, eighteen ninety three, so
he is like only four years older than Air and
he was born in Cook County, Illinois. But he didn't
have the best childhood. So his mother died when he
was four, and his father was reported in a census
as like living alone when he would have been seven,
(18:25):
So it seems like not really sure where he grew up,
but not with his dad and maybe other relatives or
friends or something. But he ended up leaving school in
the summer of nineteen oh five, so he was twelve.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Yeah, he wasn't even a teenager.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
No, and he went to Seattle like alone. I guess.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Shit, Yeah, from Midwest to Pacific Northwest is no big
deal as a twelve year old.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, I guess just top trains or something. Yeah, I
don't know. He became a seaman at an early age,
so he was shipped out when he was seventeen on
a British sailing ship called the Crompton. So between nineteen
ten and nineteen fifteen he worked on over a dozen ships,
and during World War One he served aboard several merchant
(19:15):
ships for America in Britain. He never did serve in
the navy. Overall, he had a twenty two year career
at sea, which included sailing around Cape Horn seven times.
So after this he wanted a new career direction. So
he learned to fly in the late nineteen twenties and
(19:36):
he received a limited commercial pilot's license in nineteen thirty.
So he ended up working for pan Am in the
early nineteen thirty as a navigation instructor, and he was
also really important in charting the commercial airline routes like
across the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
That we happened.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
But then I guess something happened after his last flight.
It was like a sixteen day like marathon as a
navigator for the Philippine Clipper, which concluded on December senteen
thirty six. So he apparently said at the end of that,
like we've lived on promises for a year, I'm through,
and then he resigned immediately, So I'm not sure what happened. Yeah,
(20:20):
but that opened him up to be Earharts navigatory.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
It all worked well.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, yeah, So yeah, they had met through mutual connections
in the La Aviation community, so he agrees to be
her navigator. Their first attempt was actually March seventeenth. They're
supposed to do the sixteenth, but they had to delay
a day because of the weather. And they were going
to go from California to Hawaii as the first part,
(20:49):
and they were going to go was that west around
That was the idea, and they had well, first they
had Amelia and Fred and the other guy like Manning,
and this other guy Mance. I just have the list,
so I'm not sure why there were four in the
thing at first. But after they landed, there were problems
(21:11):
with the aircraft and it needed servicing. So then it
took three days to do that, and they were going
to take off from Hawaii to Howland Island, but the
flight like couldn't get off the ground, like the landing
gear failed and it ended up like the wing came
down and it like scraped on its belly. So they're
(21:31):
not really sure what happened with that, but she thought
either the tire had blown or the landing gear collapsed.
So but other people that were there they said it
was pilot error. So they're already thrown shade at Amelia.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Well as one does when you're a you know, hot
shot celebrity woman in the mid thirties.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
So yeah, yeah, So they did a second attempt on
June first, So this is where they actually took off,
and it was also unpublicized, and they had to go
east to west instead of west to east because of
like the weather patterns since it had been delayed for
(22:15):
like three months or two months or whatever. So they
went from California to Miami, and on this flight only
Fred was with her. I think the other two were
like didn't like her or were worried about if they
thought it was pilot error, so.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
They would probably the ones being asshole saying it was pilot.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Error, right, Yeah, So it just ended up being Fred
and Amelia. So they had stops in South America, Africa, India,
Southeast Asia, and they arrived in New Guinea on June
twenty ninth, so it'd already been twenty eight days.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Yeah, okay, I was about to say almost a month.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, So at this point they had covered twenty two
thousand miles already and they only needed seven thousand left,
so they were on the home stretch. But this would
be like over the entire Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I'd say, this is the long haul that is going
to be kind of scary.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Yeah. So on July second, they took off from New
Guinea and they wanted to go to Helen Island, which
is like a very flat like sliver of land, like
it's very easy to miss and I don't know, it's
only like a mile by two miles.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah, And I guess she also, like she had been
with her sloverty status, she had been like friends with
the first lady at the time was whoever that was,
I don't remember. I just watched a video on it
and I don't remember who it was, but they were friends,
and she convinced the US government to make a airstrip
(23:49):
on Helen Island just for her thing, because there was
like nothing there, and she was like, you know, I
really want to do this and make it and I
need a place to land, and they ended up making
her an airstrip there, so.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Well, talk about being important.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, so that's crazy. But yeah, so there's literally nothing
there except an airstrip that they had just made like
a year ago or something. So the expected flight time
was supposed to be eighteen hours, and they left with
eleven hundred gallons of gasoline, and then their last known
position report was near Nukumanu Islands, which was about eight
(24:27):
hundred miles into the flight, so not that Yeah. So
this eighteen hour like flight time was calculated by Fred Noonan,
which like calculating it involves using like the onboard compass
to like set their bearing and then calculate the amount
of time it should take, like when you know the
(24:48):
headwind and the speed that you're going. And also they
didn't aim directly at the Helen Island because they were
timing themselves, so they knew if they hit like eighteen
hours and they couldn't find it, then they should turn
like north or south to get to it. I gotcha
to make a yeah, because if they had passed the
time and they were going directly towards it never saw it,
(25:09):
they wouldn't know which way to go. So they picked
I'm not sure which direction they picked, but they either
picked north or south. They calculated the time, and they
were on their way. But then the ground crew, like
they had estimated the headwind was twenty four kilometers per hour,
but then twenty minutes later they warned Amelia that the
headwinds were stronger and she didn't acknowledge receiving this message,
(25:33):
so their calculations already off, so I don't know how much.
But he also did celestial navigation where he took like
measurements of the sun, moon and stars to like verify
their position, so I guess he was doing that over time.
But like I said about the other kind of navigation
they that other guy was doing, like you can miscalculate
(25:54):
like small on this one and then it could cause
huge descrepancies still over our distances. So so that's not
the best like backup plan. And I guess the same
issue had happened earlier in their journey over the Atlantic
where they ended up being slightly off and they didn't
(26:15):
land in their intended airport because they couldn't see it
and it was like hazy conditions as well, so they
ended up landing like slightly north of it in a
different location. But it's like you can't do that when
you have just howl Island and Howland Island.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, surrounded by hundreds, if not thousands of miles of
Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, so that was a little concerning. But they're flying
so and they don't make it obviously, so we'll get
to that. But the US Coast Guard also sent three
different I don't think they're battleships, but like ships, I guess. Yeah, Okay,
(26:57):
they posted they were one was halfway between like New
Guinea and Halen Island, and then one was at Hallan Island,
and then one was like past that, like halfway between
Helen Island and Hawaii. So they were supposed to do
like smoke stacks and stuff to help her, okay, as
(27:17):
a positional, and I guess she never saw any of them,
so that's a concern, but yeah, way off then, Yeah,
I don't know what happened. But they were also supposed
to so Itasca was the one by the island. So
the ITASCO is also supposed to transmit a radio homing
signal to make it find, like make it easier to
(27:39):
find without the celestial navigation, because she had like radios
on the airplane and she could like position the radio
and it would if you turn it, then it'll catch
the way like the radio wave, and then when she
hears it, they're supposed to just kind of do like
one like steady letter in Morse code or something. So
(28:04):
once she heard it, she could see which way the
radio thing is positioned and could know to go that way,
but she didn't hear that either. Apparently she never found that.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Multiple levels of failures.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Yeah right, And like I said that, they were supposed
to use the boilers to make smoke, which would create
a dark column of smoke that like they'd be able
to see over the horizon, but that didn't help either,
because that day there were a lot of low clouds,
so they're thinking that the smoke ended up just looking
like the clouds.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, So yeah, all these methods that they had and
none of them worked, so and they had like four
ideas or whatever. But also they were meant to use
voice communications at like thirteen hundred and five killer Hurtz
during the night at sixty two hundred and ten kill
(29:02):
Hurts during the day. But there was some kind of
misunderstanding with this as well, because Earhart was using Greenwich
meantime and the ITASCA was using a naval time zone
designation system, so they weren't the right times.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Yeah, so they're off on not only you know, possibly
a very bad calculation of headwind versus speed, and also
different times from what they're trying to communicate with.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yes, yeah, and so you know they were probably switching
the hurts to to be at different times.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
She also had an our DF beacon to find that TASCO,
which the plane could listen, like I said, while rotating
it and stuff, so you know, a sharp minimum and
maximum would indicate that that's the direction to go when
she turned to the thing. But I guess her URDF
equipment failed during an early leg of the trip and
(30:02):
it was replaced, and it might not have been replaced correctly, So.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
It sounds like everything else was messed up.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Yeah. Well, also though she could she could hear the
transmission from the Itaska at like seventy five hundred killer hertz,
but I guess when it's that high, like if it's
above I think I read like five thousand or something,
then the way it bounces off the atmosphere, it's going
to give you false readings like directions, like it'll come
(30:30):
for many different Yeah, so she could hear it, but
she couldn't get the proper direction off of it because
it was like everywhere, right, So none of that worked.
And also there were not I think the itask I
didn't have voice, Like, there wasn't a way for them
to talk to each other. They had to use like
(30:52):
just the beeps or Morse code or something else like.
So that's fun.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
But well, so that's the thing I was going to say,
like back then, like I think, once again, we're looking
at a perspective of like where we live now, communication
fucking sucked. Yeah, like even in the eighties and nineties
to some extent, you know what I mean. I can't
even imagine just waiting for some frequency or some morrise
(31:19):
code just to help me get to where I need
to go while I'm surrounded by nothing but ocean. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
And also people say, like RDF equipment at that time
was not designed to work above two thousand killer her seconds.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Okay, Well, and.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I guess there's a couple sources too that said she
maybe didn't understand that system very well because it had
just been fitted to the aircraft before they took off
at the beginning of the trip, and she hadn't really
needed it until now, I see, So she might not
have really known what was going on anyway.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
With the.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Okay, So the ITASCA received calls, so I think they
could hear her. She couldn't hear them, so they received
calls from her at two forty five am and at
five am on July second, with like routine reports, and
she couldn't hear back from them, which I think they
were thinking they would be able to talk. At six
(32:21):
fourteen am, another call was received stating that the aircraft
was within two hundred miles of the ship and for
the ship to use the smokestacks to try and let
her see where it was. And then radio operators on
the Itasca realized that their art DF system was not
tuning in to the aircraft's like thirty one oh five
(32:44):
frequency that they had agreed on, so they just couldn't
I don't think that worked at all. And at six
forty five am, she asked like for a bearing, and
had estimated that they were one hundred miles out, but
she literally couldn't see like anything. She's like she couldn't
in a nose ship, no, nothing, like she couldn't find
(33:04):
anything to home in on, and they're like one hundred
miles away and I have to be terrifying, Yeah, And
then at seven point thirty the radio logue said the
Earhart said she was on the northwest running out of
gas and she had only half an hour left and
she couldn't hear them. Then they said, like, we hear you,
(33:26):
and they were trying to do that frequency thing but
it wasn't working. And then again at seven forty two,
she said the gas was running low again and she
was unable to reach by radio, so they were flying
at one thousand feet to try and get closer to
see if they could find them at all, like the
ship and stuff. So they're flying pretty low.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah, yeah, I was going to say, yeah, that's nothing.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Yeah. And then at seven fifty oh, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Hang on just a second, my computer is freaking came
out right now. Okay, I might lose you for just
a second. Hangout, okay, okay, Jesus, I don't know what
was happening. That's weird, okay. Sorry.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, So at seven fifty eight again she said she
couldn't hear the Taska. She asked them to send voice
signals so she could try to find it on the radio,
and it was reported by the Taska that this was
like the loudest possible signal that they got from her,
so that indicated they were like in the media area. Yeah,
I mean it's weird. Yeah, it's weird. They didn't like
(34:37):
see them at all.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, I mean if it's that if it's that close,
I mean you can, if it's flying that low and
that close, you would think they would even be able
to hear the plane possibly, like yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
That's why I think, I don't know, it's a little weird. Also,
they didn't have any flares or something they couldn't.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Yeah, that's another weird thing, Like the smokestack stuff. I
get because you know, that's how they're going to try
to help her make sure she's on course. But you're
talking to US Coast Guard personnel there. They would have
some sort of flare system, light system, some sort of
beacon to do something.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah, so that's a little weird. But the TESCA couldn't
send a voice at the frequency that she was asking for,
so they sent morse code instead, which she did acknowledge
receiving that, but she still couldn't determine her direction from it.
I guess. So her last known transmission was at eight
forty three, so it's been almost an hour, like well
(35:42):
past when she said she wasn't had any gas. I
don't know. Yeah, it seems like because she said she
was running low at seven forty.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Two with a half hour three.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but she said, we are on the
line one five seven three three seven, and they were
just going to follow that down. I guess like the
I guess that longitude right, And she said we will
repeat this message on sixty two to ten kilo cycles.
And then she said weight. I'm not really sure the
(36:13):
weight is four. But yeah, it seems like she thought
they had reached like Hollan's charted position, but I guess
they were incorrect by about five nautical miles.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Even still, like being that even being a thousand feet up,
you would be you would think you'd be able to
see some inkling of something, right, Yeah, it's a.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Little weird that like the ship never heard them at least,
like you said, like I could see her, not being
a sea the ship, but they should have seen her. Yeah,
they no one did at all. So yeah, and they
tried to generate smoke like one last time, and she
obviously didn't see it. And yeah, there were a lot
of clouds in the area and it caused like dark
(37:00):
shadows on the surface, so she probably just couldn't see it.
And the island's just so small, flat and ship you so,
so yeah, after this, they tried to reach her like
with voice and Morse code, but all everything was unsuccessful
after that, so they probably did crash at that point
(37:21):
I guess if they were, I mean an hour after
saying they have no gas or whatever. And the ITASCA
ended up searching north and west of Holland Island like
shortly after they received that last message, and the US
Navy also joined and looked for three days, and after
four days, the captain of the battleship Colorado was ordered
to take over all naval and Coast Guard units to
(37:44):
coordinate search efforts. And they also searched the Phoenix Islands,
which was south of Halland Island, and they searched Gardner Island.
And I have a map if you want to look
at it. Do you want to look at the map?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Yeah? What's map?
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Chairs? Green? Which one?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
No?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Pick a window?
Speaker 2 (38:06):
This one?
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Okay? The map.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
I see the map, Sarah, the technology this is this is.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Where they took off, and here's Hallan Island and then
Gardner Island's down there, and the Phoenix Island is not
on air.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
But I think it's just south of that.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
I think it's in between. So there's the map. Sorry,
if you're just listening.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Pull up podcasting material right here.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Okay, Well they're both south of Hallan Island, so they
looked there. Let me stop sharing, okay. Yeah. And they
thought that she could have landed the plane in Gardner
Island because there's like a lagoon there and they could
have swam ashore onto Gardner Island. And they did see
signs of recent habitation on Gardner Island, but they didn't
(39:04):
see any people or wreckage. So I know, some other
castaway that they was.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
Not luxy enough for found or unfortunate soul. Wouldn't that
be some shit if they're trying to find you know,
this celebrity, you know, sweetheart of American that is trying
to circumnavigate, and some dude is just like, oh my god,
I've been waiting for years, and they're like, we're not
looking for me. To go back to what you're doing, man.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, yeah, you're surviving here.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
You're fine surviving, you know, a woman and a man.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Oh okay, get out of here.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
So they literally found nothing, like no recorge, like not
even a piece of anything, and they called up the
search on July nineteenth. So they searched for you know,
seventeen days. Yeah, and then her husband ended up financing
private search by local authorities, like immediately after the search
was called off. So he searched the Pacific Islands and
(40:00):
the waters around there, and he concentrated on the Gilbert,
which was also not well my second map.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
The hard part about this is that part of the
world there are like these hundreds, if not thousands, of
just these small, little tiny islands, you know, and at
that point in time, I mean, you weren't able to
truly what would be the best way to say that,
(40:29):
have like a productive search of that, you know what
I mean, Yeah, that would be so hard. I mean
it's hard now. I mean we talked about that with
what was the Yeah, the Malaysia flight. I mean it's
hard to do that now. So you're looking at like
I said, almost almost a decade ago. It's the same thing,
(40:52):
you know, yeah, not decades century. Sorry times wrong? Yeah,
correct me. Don't make me look like an idiot. People
are gonna say it's stupid.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
When you said it, I was like, Yep, that sounds right,
you know, I just added a zero. But automatically it
was like, yeah, yep, sounds good.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
Don't mind, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
He also directed. He also directed searches on Phoenix Islands,
Christmas Island, Fanning Island, and the Marshall Islands, which the
Marshall Islands are north, so he went like north and south. Yeah,
and they did not find anything either. So and then
he requested to become the trustee of her estate to
(41:34):
finance these searches. And he also requested well because he
had she had money, nor state.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
I know that, but if he's married to her, wouldn't
that automatically go.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
I don't know, unless it was like her personal something,
because she wasn't declared dead.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yet, that's fair it was. It was probably because he
was all like, well, you have to be referred to
as mister Earhart from now on. Yeah, I ain't playing
that shit.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah. He also requested a declared death in absentia, which
I guess usually they wait seven years for that, but
he wanted to waive that.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Yeah, one of the money to help finance the search,
of course, yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah. So this was granted by the court in la
and as a result, she was declared legally dead on
January fifth, nineteen thirty nine, and she was forty one.
So it took two years still since or the year
and a half I guess, so I can get into
the theories. I mean, first, what do you think happened?
Speaker 2 (42:41):
I think I think they crashed a plane went to
the ocean, and it's like, that's that's what I think.
I don't. I've heard theories about like the Pacific Triangles
and like, you know, weird things that have happened, and
I'm just like, I'm here for the weird stuff and
interdimensional whatever voids and gaps and times and all that.
(43:04):
But No, realistically, I think they definitely just got off
course started running out of fuel. They were probably freaking
the fuck out, as you would running out of fuel
over the ocean. Yeah, the thought process as the fuel
started running down was probably getting to almost the point
(43:24):
of panic, and it probably got They probably sat it
down in the ocean. And I've heard that like water
landings are possible, but they're really really really hard to do.
You know. You usually end up like flipping when you
do that, and that shreds the plane. Yeah, and then
(43:45):
it's just yeah, there's no anything to be found because
everything is going to sink. Now, there very well could
have been some pieces that washed ashore on some of
these islands or some pieces that were floating. But once again,
at that time, I don't think like the people, especially
living in that area, probably weren't really worried about seeing
some floating metal de breed. They probably just thought like, oh,
(44:07):
that's weird.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Right, Yeah, you know, they probably didn't think too much
about it. Okay, Well, I have maybe three theories and
they're all basically based in reality. They're not that about
the triangle or whatever. Okay, Okay, So the first one
is that I mean that they crashed in sank Okay,
(44:30):
the crash and sink theory. So that's what it's called.
Most historians do think that's what happened. Like, you know,
they ran a fuel like you said, they had to
ditch into the sea and either the plane fall part
or not. But they ended up dying, you know, in
the ocean.
Speaker 2 (44:46):
As a result of the crash or drowning or something.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Right, Yeah, because the plane carried only enough fuel to
reach Hellan Island, and it did have a little bit
extra for contingencies, but it wasn't enough for like how
how long they were communicating with the Itaska.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Yeah, you're not going to get to any of the
other islands if that's where you're shooting for.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
Yeah, and yeah, during the nineteen seventies, I guess a
retired US Navy Captain Lawrence Safford. He analyzed her flight
plan and concluded that the flight suffered from poor planning
worse execution dick. Yeah, so that's probably what happened. But
(45:28):
here's a couple other theories. So one is the Japanese
capture theory. So this says that they somehow navigated to
the Japanese South Seas Mandate and they crash landed on
the island of Saipan, where they were then captured and
(45:48):
executed by Japanese forces.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Okay, let me show you.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
Let me share again. Let's see the screen where Saipan
is with my new map, second map, here's where they
were supposed to go, Howland Island and way to the
north and like back past where they started. I feel like,
is Saipan.
Speaker 2 (46:13):
Yeah okay, so instead of saying, hey, we're going to
go straight east relatively speaking, yeah, we're actually going to
go northwest when we take off in here right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
Yeah, they're so backwards and they don't know how to navigate.
Apparently that they're going to end up way over there.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, they made it what did you say, twenty two
thousand miles so far at that point, yes, right, so
they made it twenty two thousand miles and everything was
hunky dory as far as navigation goes, and then all
of a sudden they just don't know how to navigate.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Come on, man, right, Yeah, the theory did change to
the Marshall Islands, like they landed there, but that's still
I mean, that's more believable because it is north and like,
you know, east from where they started.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Well, so yeah, like we were talking about earlier, a
small deviation that that is definitely more plausible to me
that they ended up somewhere closer to the Marshall Islands,
hence why nobody could see them when they were coming
in and trying to figure out where they were at.
Speaker 1 (47:15):
Right, Yeah, So let's stop sharing for now. I'll bring
it back up.
Speaker 2 (47:23):
We never stopped sharing something.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
Yeah, So there is a different variation of this theory
that the Japanese shot down her plane, like maybe from
one of their own ships or something. Okay, because I
guess since the end of World War Two, a location
on Tinian, which is five miles southwest of Saipan has
been rumored to be the grave of two Aviators. It
(47:52):
was the start of Warward two.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Yeah, start.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Yeah, So I guess there's a rumor that two aviators
are very there, which I don't know how they'd end
up there still, but I guess there was an archaeological
dig in two thousand and four though, and they didn't
find any boones.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
So well, so there's graves but no bodies.
Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, I guess they're grave robbing, but yeah, I don't know.
A number of her relatives have been convinced that the
Japanese were somehow involved, and I guess there's like witnesses,
but they're all of course they're unnamed, but they say,
like there's people in Saipan that say they saw them,
or like Japanese troops or whatever.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Well, I think a lot of that has to do
with when they attacked Pearl Harbor, Like everybody had this
overwhelming hatred for Japan so and it's close enough to win.
She disappeared to where they could attribute like, yeah, those
motherfuckers probably had something to do with it, you know.
Speaker 1 (48:53):
Yeah. So the last theory is the Gardner Island hypothesis,
which I guess the Gardener Island is now called Nicu Mororo.
Everybody thought that's what it's called now. But this so
that's like south of Highland Howland Island. Okay, So I
suggest that, you know, if they couldn't have found it
(49:14):
after their time had stopped and they turned whatever direction
they were supposed to go, and they wouldn't have kept
wasting time trying to find it, but they still were
communicating with thy Tasco. So I'm not sure about this,
but it says they would have tried to go south
looking for any other island to land, and the radio
(49:34):
transmission where they said one five seven three three seven
suggested like they flew a course for one hundred and
fifty seven degrees which would take them past Baker Island
and if they missed that island, then they would go
over like Gardner Island where which is now Niku Mororo.
So they could have ended up there. Let me sure
(49:55):
one if past time maybe well not one, I have
one more after this, but it's like almost directly south
of it.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yeah, that's okay, so yeah for a listener, so that
seems more Yeah for listeners that are you know, not
on the YouTube for this that makes a lot of
sense because it is literally almost due south, a little southeast,
but like it's almost.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
In line, right, yeah, and I can stop. Okay. So
a week after she had disappeared, like navy planes from
the USS Colorado said they searched the island, the Gardener Island,
and that's where they had seen recent habitation, but they
didn't see any plane or people. So some people say
(50:41):
maybe she was there. I don't know why she wouldn't
have got help or how they wouldn't find because it's
not a big None of these are big.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yeah, yeah, these these I don't really know. These are
so small. Like in World War two when the Japanese
was taken over, That's why they were able to control
so much of the Pacific Ocean so quick quickly because
they were just small island nations where they could just
come in, run shop and take over. And it's the
same thing that we did with the Marine Corps and
the Army when we you know, kicked him out of there.
(51:10):
We were island hopping. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
So April nineteen forty school was found on that island,
and other bones were found in September, So people like
I don't know where these ended up people collected them
and they ended up being ruled out because they thought
they were male bones at the time.
Speaker 2 (51:33):
Okay, but she was with a guy.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
Well yeah she was with Yeah, no one remembers him,
but they ruled it out, I guess. And these bones
went somewhere in a vault and no one can find
them now because like a scientist in twenty eighteen, like
ran the bones measurements from the data that was collected
in like forensic software like modern software and pared them
(52:00):
to like an estimation of like ear heart based on
like clothing and photographs, right, and the analysis found that
they matched Airhart better than ninety nine percent of other individuals.
So they're thinking this was her and the bones are lost,
(52:21):
so can't do anything else like DNA or anything at
this point. But they might have been hurt. So this
led to the theory that she somehow landed there and
survived a little.
Speaker 2 (52:33):
Bit maybe possibly, and well if she did, if if
they did make it to an island, they would have
survived for at least a handful of days, you know,
right until they died of either dehydration or exposure or whatever,
you know, or if they had injuries from the plane crash,
(52:55):
you know. So, yeah, it makes sense if they did
make it to an island, and you probably would find something,
some remains of somebody, right.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
It just sucks that those are like disappeared.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
It's probably in some like rich Weirdo's house. That's like
it's like, oh, yes, come and check out my skull
of Amelia.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
This is where I you know, yeah, probably, Hey, if
you're listening, donate it to science.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
So we find out Rich weirdo that's listening to random
podcasts on the internet. If you have a million Earhart's skull,
give it back. It belongs in a museum, right.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
Should at least the DNA testing. I don't know it
belongs in a museum.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
Indiana Jones Sarah, come on, I haven't.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
Watched that in a long time. I'm just bad about whatever.
What's that called about, remembering like bank minds? Yeah, like
movie lines like I.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Know, I'm just giving you a ship whatever that's called.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
So for there was a million dollar expedition by Tony
Romeo and his Deep Sea Vision team. So he's based
in South Carolina and he's a deep sea explorer that's
his job, I guess, and he had captured a sonar
image of an aircraft shaped object in the Pacific Ocean,
(54:19):
so he thought maybe it was hers. But when they
did go down to see, they saw in November that
it was a rock formation that just happened to look
like an airplane.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
But most recently, this is the most recent update. An
Oregon based archaeologist, doctor Richard pettigrew, He's gonna go to
Niku Mororo Island and investigate a visual anomaly that has
been found like since twenty fifteen, like via satellite, and
he says, this looks like a plane like her. Could
(54:51):
have been hertplane really? And I guess yeah. The object
is called the tartara Ya Taraia.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
We'll go.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
I checked. Yeah, it's like t A r A I
A tera eyah, okay, let me share last time. I'm
sharing my screen. This is flagged on Google Maps because
I looked yesterday and you can see on Google Maps
the tie.
Speaker 2 (55:21):
The tip.
Speaker 1 (55:24):
But I don't know. They're saying this looks like an airplane,
like the tail and the body.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
I guess, yeah, it definitely is airplane shaped for sure.
Sitting yeah, maybe.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
It's like right off the cut.
Speaker 2 (55:39):
I was going to say it's like literally maybe fifteen
twenty yards off the beach, you know.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, and it's in shallow water so should be easy
to explore. Yeah. He said that it was found in
twenty fifteen because like a storm was it like a
storm surge had uncovered some of the sediments, so it
I sink, it became visible.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Yeah, so it wasn't always right, Okay, I got you.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Yeah, it had been covered up by sediment and stuff,
but then in twenty fifteen from storm currents, it was
partially uncovered. It has been like less defined on the
satellite like since then, so maybe it's getting covered again. Well,
but they know it's still right yeah, yeah, and it's
marked on Google Maps, so they're going to be able
to find it. But he said his team's going to
(56:32):
go look there in August. But first, yeah, but first
he said, he has to have financial backing. Of course,
like dude, how shallow is this? Can't we just go
scuba diving?
Speaker 2 (56:46):
Yeah, well, he wants we have to have we got
to set up stuff, and we got to get people
out there, and we got to have it like sums.
Speaker 1 (56:58):
Like a like a robotics submersible, so you don't have
to go. I mean I feel like it's like literally
right there. You could probably snorkel and see it.
Speaker 2 (57:07):
Yeah, I like it. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
Yeah, so I don't know. He has currently raised four
hundred thousand dollars and he's hoping to raise five hundred
thousand more before going, although this was in January when
I read this, so maybe this raised more. But he
doesn't have that much time left right that much?
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Hey man, I was going to say it's as of
recording this. I'm not going to say, because you know
this is going to be out a little lighter. But
he doesn't have very long at all.
Speaker 1 (57:37):
No, but we might have an update in August if
he goes and looks maybe we should go. Maybe we
should get financial backing for almost a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
Hey, fans of this show, right now, we're going to
go find Amelia Earhart's playing before this other asshole. We
need at least a million dollars, and we need it
before August. We actually probably needed the race or mid July.
That way we can get there biography, you know what
(58:07):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
I mean we're on vacation though mid July, so I'm
not going to make it.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
I don't know, man, if we can discover a million
ear hearts plan, I think it's worth not going.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
I mean, it would be interesting to see like where
it happened, I guess, or to have a definitive yeah.
I mean she's definitely died. Fred died with her, like
what happened?
Speaker 2 (58:35):
Yeah, well, And I think that's one of those things
that I think why these stories intrigger so much is
because not only do we have a very charismatic individual
that was celebrity status, but then to have no resolve
to the story. You know, there's nothing that we have
we I mean, you can speculate, and the speculation that
she crashed and they both died is pretty likely. But
(58:56):
I mean, once again, you don't know.
Speaker 1 (59:00):
Right, maybe she lived on this island for days. I
mean they searched, though, That's what I don't understand. They
searched like all this place that you'd think you'd see
some debris, because they searched like pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
I don't know, man, because it's because the ocean is
so big and it's hard to spot stuff like that,
you know.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
Yeah, I mean if it was in the middle of
the ocean, but if she made it close to an
island and they were searching these islands, you'd think they
would have found, Yeah, some piece of debris.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
I don't know, I mean depending on the weather. Like
you said, maybe it was a storm, you know, kicked
up a bunch of salt and sediment and obscured it.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
So yeah, so well, yeah, that's what I have on
her though. And Fred, don't.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
Don't forget Fred. That needs to be part of the title.
Speaker 1 (59:50):
Okay, Amelia Earhart, don't forget Fred.
Speaker 2 (59:54):
There you go. Catchy, Yeah, perfect, engaging. Perfect. Speaking of catchy,
engaging and perfect listeners, you guys need to go check
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Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
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