Ep. 27- The Setagaya Murders: A Family Slain, A Killer Free

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Speaker 3 (01:18):
Welcome back to a Paranoid Perspective.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
I am Jake and I'm Sarah.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Sarah, We're dipping our toes back into the real world again. So,
you know, we were talking about some crazy stuff last
episode as far as like living in a simulation, and
maybe this is part of the simulation, because from what
you've told me, this is kind of crazy and listeners.
To be fair, I kind of stayed blissfullytoring on this
one because I have no idea about any of this stuff.

(01:44):
Sarah said it was crazy. I'm gonna take her word
for it, and let's get into it. So what are
we talking about today, Sarah?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
So today we're going to talk about the Stegaya family murders,
which happened in Japan. It happened December thirtieth.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Two thousand, pretty recent.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Yeah, pretty recently. Yeah, just kidding now, but yeah, and
it's still unsolved and there's a lot of evidence, so
it's like, how how is it still insolved?

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:16):
That's one of those things like with some of the
real like true crime stories that we've covered, it's just like,
I don't know, but you always hear like how do
people You couldn't get away with stuff like this anymore,
but yet people are still getting away with craziness.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
So yeah, let's let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Okay. So this was like a home invasion and then
it ended up this person whoever got into their house
like murdered all four of the family members. Oh shit,
so yeah, it was the Miyazawa family. So the husband,
wait where am I.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Good?

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Start skipping ahead a little bit a little. I wanted
to say the Japanese name first of the kids. That's fine,
it'sgaya Ika Satsukai kid, so good look it up.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Well, I'll take your word for it.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Yeah. So this happened in the Segaya Ward, which is
why it's called the Sagaya murders, even though the family
was mia Zawa. So the segay Award is like southwest
of Tokyo, so it's kind.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Of like, yeah, so like a burrow or something.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Yeah, okay, okay, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
And the population in Segaya is like one million people.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Oh yeah, that burrow. So that's a little bigger than
I was expecting.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Yeah, it's pretty big. So it was in the kami
So Shigaya neighborhood, which like butts up against a park
which also has a skate park there, and the park
was kind of expanding, and that neighborhood originally had sixty houses,
but like the city was buying up the properties, like
as people left or wanted to sell or whatever to

(04:11):
expand that park area. So then there were only six
houses left at the point that this happened.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
So they took fifty four already to yeah Jesus.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah and yeah, there were six houses left, and two
of them belonged to the Miyazawa family, So one was
for the family of four. Like I said, So there
was a forty four year old husband was Mikio, and
then forty one year old wife was Yasco, and then
there was an eight year old daughter, Nina, and six

(04:43):
year old son Ray, and Ray had some developmental issues,
so he's like nonverbal at that point.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Ah okay.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
But the other house was Yasco's mom was living there,
and I think like her cousin then or something.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
That's correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
I'm not too familiar with the Japanese culture, but that
that's pretty common as far as taking care of family
and whatnot. So living close by or in the same
house is not uncommon at all.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Right, Yeah, but the one issue was that their two
houses were like totally separate from the other four that
were remaining, so they were pretty isolated.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
I see.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
So Mikyo was a businessman for like an international branding company,
and Yasco was a cram school teacher kind of like
a tutoring for like SATs kind of thing, right, right,
So yeah, on December thirty, well thirtieth, Well no hold up,

(05:50):
get it together, Okay, December thirty first, two thousand, at
ten forty am Haruko, which is yes, goes, mom called
the family home and they didn't pick up. And at
first people thought they didn't pick up because the murder
had happened overnight, so they thought the killer had cut

(06:12):
the phone line, but that wasn't true. It was later
that the phone was working. They just weren't answering obviously.
So she walked to their house and like knocked on
the door, and no one was answering the door, so
the door was unlocked, and so she went in and
then she saw like the bodies like of them and

(06:33):
called the police. So that was like pretty bad as
she saw that. Well I think she only saw Mikyo.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
But well nonetheless, man like I could not imagine like
walking like your home was supposed to be your safe space, right, yeah,
it's supposed to be where nothing really bad happens, and
you know, walking into something like that, I just couldn't
even imagine.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, So after investigating, they decided this was like the
most likely timeline. They think between eleven thirty and midnight
is when the killer entered the house. But he entered
through the second story bathroom window, which was like at
the back of the house.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, yeah, murderer.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, but it was like in the area where the
park like meets the house, so it was more secluded. Okay,
but the there is like a like a perimeter fence
that the person would have had to jump, and then
they would have had to stand on a small fuse
box that was affixed to like the back of the

(07:41):
property to be able to get to that window.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well, it's fair weird.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
I don't if they came in through the second story window,
I don't think a perimeter fencer standing on an narrow
ledge is going to deter them.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yeah, but it's just a weird spot. Choose, I guess.
Plus some I don't know, maybe this is a rumor,
but some where I read that that light was on,
so they like picked a place where maybe someone was
But you know, I guess you don't know if that's true,
If that light was actually on or not. No, I

(08:23):
mean there's no Yeah, it's two thousand. But also that
person would have had to be pretty skinny because it
wasn't like a norm. It was like a rectangular window
and not like like what we're used to big Yeah, yeah,
do you want to see the house where they entered?

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Yeah, let's say it.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
We must share the screen.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Good luck.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
I always like sharing the screens. Okay, this one share.
Here we go. Yeah, here's like a kind of chain link,
and I guess that they would have had to jump
over first, and then there's like the fuse box up there,
or there is like a partial roof kind of landing

(09:10):
that they could have maybe to get to that window.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
So listeners that might not be watching this on YouTube,
this person whoever did this had to be like, have
some fucking skill, because that's easy because what are what
are roofs typically like an in roofs like anywhere from
ten feet to maybe twelve something like that.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Suggest so maybe shorter.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, well that's a matter of opinion. It might not be,
but you know, who knows anyway.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
But regardless, it's at least eight feet, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, from brown level to the to the edge of
the roof, and that fuse box is even higher than the.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Edge of the roof by probably almost a.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Foot, right, and really small, like narrow. How are you
going to get up there? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
That seems like a very inconvenient spot to get into
the house.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Listener's this window. This window looks looks like it's like
three by one, like there's no way.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Very small, Yeah, like so many other doors and windows,
and that's the way you're going to go. I don't know,
it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
I want to make the most noise and make it
the most inconvenient for me to do this.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
I guess it was quiet, like no one reacted at first.
But yeah, and also police didn't find like any fibers
on that window from like the clothing or anything, so
they would have had to be really skinny. I think. Well,
but you even think something I get caught.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Well, yeah, I was gonna say, even if they were
really skinny, like gravity, your waist is going to drag
or your pants are going to drag at least, you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Right, Yeah, so they're not sure about that at first,
They weren't totally I mean they don't know one hundred
percent that that's the way that the killer got in,
but they're pretty sure now that that is the point
of entry. But yeah, it's very weird. And I guess
when the police arrived they saw that window was open

(11:12):
and the protective screen was on the ground, so they
think that person went through there, and then once he
entered the house. Should I share the screen? I have
a map. I guess maybe I should share the map
while we're talking of the house.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Let's let's get it people, individuals listening. We do have
a YouTube channel where you get to witness Sarah's fumbling
of sharing screens.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, you should go there. I like to share a
lot of photos and stuff. Okay, So he entered through
the bathroom and then the sun raysed a bedroom was
right next to it, so they think that he was
killed first and he was strangled to death. It's a
little weird there too. Yeah, And people said to the

(12:04):
the police found like a towel over his space. So
I don't know if the killer was like remorseful or
something that he strangled the kid, but well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Just a just a quick note on like the way
of killing, especially strangulation is extremely personal, Like you wouldn't
just like if you just wanted to randomly kill somebody,
You're not, like, that's one of the hardest ways to
do it, you know, right if and to want to

(12:36):
do that, and then like you said, the towel, that
would that would give me like a sense of possible Like, man,
maybe I went too far and you're ashamed, so you're
going to cover up.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
Right, you know. Yeah, and it's weird. I mean, he
stabbed the other three, so it's weird that Ray was strangled.
I get, like different killing type.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Well, so yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
The stabbing is also extremely personal, and it could have
been more of an empathetic thing of the first person
he saw was the youngest boy and not wanting to,
you know, put him through that.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, and I think I mean, I assume he was
asleep at that point, so he probably didn't want to
make too much noise, right, and that could be quiet.
But then they're pretty sure that Mikyo he was on
the first floor, like on the computer, so they're pretty
sure he heard something and went up the stairs to

(13:36):
like then find that this guy is killing his son,
So that there was a struggle that happened, and then
he ended up stabbing Mikiyo with a sashimi knife like
multiple times till he died. But he somehow Mikiyo did
hurt the suspect because the suspect also like had a wound,

(13:57):
like they found his blood places too, so oh shit. Yeah,
so but then yeah, that's just seamy knife was like
lodged in Mikio's head it broke off.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Oh so then yeah, no personal.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
And he right, and I think because he was found
at the bottom of the stairs, so they think he
fell down the stairs during the struggle. But then Yasco
and Nina were upstairs in the attic like bedroom, so
the killer went up there too at first and like

(14:33):
started stabbing them with the broken knife, and then he
ended up going down to the kitchen to get a
different knife from their kitchen. So at that point, like
Yasco and Nina had come down the ladder and then
he ended up killing them in the hallway on that floor.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Holy fuck man.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, so, I mean that's pretty crazy. And Yasco was
found with Nina like under her, like trying to protect
her and Nina though she had two missing teeth as well,
so they think she was also beat a little bit. Yeah,

(15:15):
so's it's like weird that it's so personal like that,
Like that seems crazy.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
No, that's definitely not a random just person came into
your house and was like, oh, I feel like killing
people today now.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
That And.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
I cannot imagine the thought process of the individual that
did this, of like, oh shit, my knife's broken, all right,
I broke it off in this dude's head. Let me
just run downstairs real quick and get a kitchen knife
and go finish the rest, you know, like Jesus dude.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, that seems crazy. Also, it seems like he knew
the house a little bit at least, note about like
the attic, bedroom and stuff, and to like go find
them like purposely.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
And yeah, I mean, well, well, with just the nature
of the murder itself, I mean, it's obviously personal, so
there had it had to have been someone they knew,
so the likelihood of them possibly knowing at least a
decent way out of the house is pretty high.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, so that's pretty scary. But so after that he
murders them, and then he doesn't leave. He stays at
the house for a little bit, which is like weird,
Like up to well, they think definitely two hours at
least two hours after he stayed in the house, but
then they said maybe up to ten hours.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Yeah, but that the ten hours is kind of disputed.
He probably didn't stay that long.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Well even if he stayed for two hours or an hour.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
I know, like what yeah fuck yeah. So, like the
first thing he seemed to do is like do first
aid on his injury, because it seemed like his hand
or's arm was injured when with the struggle with Mikio.
So he used God's pads and he also used Yasco's
sanitary pads to stop the bleeding, which I guess seranitary

(17:18):
pads is like a common technique within some like military branches.
I don't know if like a guy would think maybe
they would think to use like a pad, but well,
I guess that's more common in military.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
It's kind of a joke. But I never saw anybody
plug any wounds with tampons.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
I mean, but like I guess it would work, but
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, So, yeah, his blood was found everywhere, like kind
of mixed with Mikio's but found elsewhere, like on the
stairwell and on some clothing, so like they got his
blood sample and they found out he's a male with
type A blood, so they have his blood. They also
saw through the blood that his mom's side is Mediterranean

(18:07):
ancestry and the father's side is East Asian, which could
be Japanese, Chinese, or Korean.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Damn they twenty three to med that motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah right, and like because it was later leaked to
the public, like they kind of latched on that it
was not a Japanese citizen because he's at least half
Like I mean, he could be still a Japanese citizen.
He could have grown up there in Japanese, but like
the Japanese concept is like if you're not full blooded,

(18:38):
even though no one is really anymore, but they just
think you're not Japanese. Well, and to do something so brutal,
I guess.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Could I could?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Could I be too bold to assume I've heard I
don't know if this is true or not, But as
far as like it's really hard to immigrate and like
assimilate into Japan, Yeah right, Well that sentiment of theirs,
I get where they're coming from, just because there aren't
very many like foreign born Japanese citizens, you know that

(19:10):
just come into the country all the time and live there, right.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, I mean it's pretty much impossible to be viewed
as Japanese if you're not like a five percent Japanese. Yeah,
but he could definitely still have been a Japanese citizen.
But the house was also ransacked when they got there,
so there were like files and papers like everywhere, and
there were some in the bathtub with water in the tub.

(19:37):
So it was like maybe trying to get rid of
something like that was weird or just I don't know,
just being disrespectful. Maybe I don't know.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Well, I mean, if it was something that he was
trying to hide, maybe, but then it's like I also
would think that's kind of an odd thing to do,
So it might be something odd that was meant to
throw people off from what the point actually was, you.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Know, right, yeah, maybe I don't know, or just to
make a mess. Maybe maybe is that pissed off or something.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Well, I mean he strangled a kid and stabbed through
other people, So as far as him doing weird shit,
he's you know, already getting there.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
So yeah, so he also went through Yasco's purse, but
like the bookcases were in touch, so it's not really
clear if he was like looking for anything or like money,
Like he didn't take a bunch of money, like he
took some, but there was definitely money still lying around,
so that's a little weird. And he ate four ice

(20:37):
creams out of the thing, and he ate a melon.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
Just craving a sweet treat after you know, you commit
some murder.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, and he also drank barley teas from them, but
they had like beers and other drinks and those were untouched,
which I don't know.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
He just after that adoreurnaline dump.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
He just wanted some comfort fit, you know, some ice
cream and a little bit of tea to calm himself down.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, I guess, well, I was like listening to this
one though. The like eating the victim's food after killing
them was the mo of the Golden State Killer, which
he caught in nineteen eighty six, So I wonder if
this was like a copycat. But that seems a little far.

Speaker 4 (21:25):
Well.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
I mean, I could see the similarities, but I feel
like that'd be a little bit of a stretch too.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah. Yeah, so he did take one hundred and fifty
thousand yen which was like one thousand dollars. Yeah, but
like I said, there were other money lying around, and
they had like bank books and their IDs that were
like in plain sight. He didn't take those. And like
bank books in Japan, they're kind of like a debit card,

(21:50):
Like you can stick your bank book into an ATM
and get money out and it updates as a yeah,
as like a checkbook. Oh, he could have definitely taken
that if he wanted more money.

Speaker 3 (22:03):
Well, it clearly wasn't the intention. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
He also used the bathroom and did not flush, So
they got his stool sample.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
What a fund are you kidding me? You're gonna take
a shit?

Speaker 1 (22:13):
That?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
What a disrespectful motherfucker. Man, You're gonna kill this family
and then take a shit and not even fucking flush
the toilet, man, right, definitely not Japanese.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
That is another level of disrespect.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, So they analyzed the stool sample, which had shown
that the killer had eaten string beans and pickled cucumber
within twenty four hours before the killing. Information, Well, some
news sources said that's like a classic like home cooked meal,
like from mom. So they're kind of implying that this

(22:47):
person was like younger or someone who still lives with
their mother like in school or in college. That's like
a very traditional like Japanese. I don't know, Okay, Yeah,
he also used the family computer between one eighteen and
one twenty three am.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
So okay, So this this obviously was was personal somebody
that had never done anything like this before and like
just didn't know what to do. That that's exactly what
that tells me.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Yeah, he used uh, well, he created a folder. I
don't really know what the folder said, but I think
there was nothing in it. You just create a folder,
and then he went to a website for a local theater,
which that was listed under Mikiyo's favorites, So I don't know.
The computer and keyboard, though, obviously are in Japanese, so

(23:44):
this maybe is like this person is familiar with Japanese then,
but also they did not see any fingerprints on the keyboard,
even though he left fingerprints like literally everywhere, but there
were fingerprints on the mouse, so it like implies that
this person couldn't type in Japanese. I did not know
the keyboard, so maybe they weren't Japanese. But yeah, he

(24:08):
definitely did not wear gloves because his fingerprint was literally
everywhere and they got his fingerprint.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
So well, after the blood and the shit, I think
you know, they pretty much had everything they needed from him.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah you'd think so, but it's still insolved.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Well I'm saying I don't think he was worried about
his fingerprints peeing around right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, so the computer was triggered again at ten am,
which is why they are not sure how long he
was there. But they do think that maybe the trigger
the computer was accidentally triggered by Yasco's mom coming in
because that was around the time she came in. Uh yeah,
so he probably didn't stay that long, but that's why

(24:50):
they're not sure. Also, though some people it was reported
that he napped on the couch, but then later that's
been disput did so they're not sure if he did,
like end up sleeping.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Well, I mean, after four ice cream bars, melon and
some tea or what else do we need to do?

Speaker 3 (25:11):
We need to take a nap real quick, right?

Speaker 1 (25:14):
So yeah, what he did do he left almost every
single personal item that he was wearing.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Oh so he got naked too, What a fucking freak?

Speaker 1 (25:26):
No, No, I guess well, some people do think if
he was napping. Maybe he had undressed and then uh,
Yasko's mom came in, so maybe he ran away. Some
people are speculating that. So maybe he didn't have any cloak,
like he just had his underwear. I guess, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Or but then you would have seen a naked, injured
man running down, yeah, in this burrow of a million
people at ten o'clock in the morning.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, yeah, that would have drawn some attention for sure.
Like well, other people will say these items were planted
and none of it's real evidence and he just left
it all there.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Oh okay, it's a.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Little weird that he literally left like literally like everything.
So yeah, the broken knife was left, and there was
a bloody glove with a slash and the palm, so
maybe he did have a glove at first and.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
Then got oh that's where I got caught.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, and then on the couch was a scarf, a
fanny pack, a baseball style T shirt, a jacket, a hat,
and two handkerchiefs, so literally like everything.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Okay, I got you leave all of that.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Well well, and to be fair, I get where people
are coming from now as far as why they think
he stayed there for so long. That he fell asleep undressed,
the mother came in and he got scared shitless and
just ran out of the house.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
Right.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
But then, I mean there is a park and stuff, maybe,
but ten ams, so you'd think someone's there and would
see but well, yeah, yeah, one of the handkerchiefs was
used to wrap the sashimi knife, like in a specific way,
which police said was a common way that Chinese fish
factory workers wrap their knives so it doesn't slip. It's

(27:19):
like a very specific technique.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, So then the other handkerchief was thought to be
used like as a mask, I guess, to cover his
mouth or something or face.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
And then.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, and it also had a cologne on it called
the Drakart Noir. So they even have his cologne, which
I guess that I guess that's a popular cologne for
skateboarders at that time. Talk a little bit about that
in the theories for skateboarders. For Japanese skateboarders in two thousands.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
Okay, okay, well I'm trying to think of me skateboarding
in two thousand and nobody was wearing cologne. Yeah, but
I guess it's a different, completely different culture.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yeah, different scene.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Man. Yeah, Also there were shoeprints found in the blood
and outside of the window, so they found out that
his shoe was a slidge Ginger slidesinger shoe size twenty
seven and a half centimeters, which is like a nine

(28:33):
and a half.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, so yeah, they have all of that.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
So okay, they have his blood, they have his stool,
they have his footprints, they have.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
His clothes, his fingerprints, his fingerprints. How do they not
know who this fucking guy is exactly?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
How was it still unsolved for twenty five years?

Speaker 2 (29:00):
I feel like if I committed a crime and left
one of those things, I would get caught.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Right, Well apparently not in two thousand Japan, I guess
at least. Yeah, we'll get into it. But the police
ended up collecting twelve thousand pieces of evidence overall.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
So twelve thousand pieces of evidence in this house, yeah yeah,
and outside.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
But probably probably each fingerprints won or something.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Oh okay, fair, that makes sense. Okay, I'm sorry, I'm
lumping in over mind.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
We're good.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, but I don't know. I feel like this was
someone incompetent or not really aware a hundred or they're
planting it.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
No, they're a fucking idiot. They're not, They're this is no,
this is not some elaborate ruse to think it's a
fucking idiot.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
Is who did this?

Speaker 2 (29:59):
You're telling not only did you break into somebody's house
and the worst way you possibly could, you got injured
while committing the crime. Your blood is all over the place,
your fingerprints are all over the place. You took a
dump and didn't flush, and then you took your clothes
off and supposedly took a nap. No, this is a
fucking idiot.

Speaker 3 (30:19):
Fairly though, obviously.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
But yeah, okay, well, let's get into each piece of evidence.
Do you want to see all the clothing?

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Share another, I want to see the fucking clothing. Okay,
here we go, Here we go.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Here's the clothing plus the knife. Yeah, that's the outfit,
like that a killer?

Speaker 3 (30:46):
Apparently?

Speaker 2 (30:47):
All right, listeners, for those of you that might be
watching this, this looks like.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Fair picture. A hm, that's the best way to say this.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Uh uh, Jean short wearing dad, but he's on a
vacation in Europe and he's trying to look trendy.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Yes, that's exactly it.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
But the fanny peg, that's exactly the fanny pack has
to you know what I mean. It's like if you
if you know somebody that wears Jeene shorts and Nike
New balances, imagine them trying to look fancy, if on
a vacation in Europe, and this is what it looks like.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, that is what it looks like. Okay, I can
stop sharing, or do you want to see everything as
I talk about each piece of clothing? No?

Speaker 3 (31:33):
No, no, no no, no, I got it.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Okay, So yeah, they saw where every single piece of
clothing came from. So the shoe was a size that
had never been sold in Japan, but it had been
sold in South Korea. Yeah, okay, So either he ordered it,
I guess. I don't know about two thousand could you order?
You could probably order online right and get it in Japan.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
So either he ordered it, or maybe he flew to
Korea to buy it, or maybe he's from Korean Korea.
He is Korean maybe like not Japanese. So I don't
know one of those things. Because somehow he got this
shoe and then the rest of the clothing had come
from Japan. So the hat had been sold between September

(32:26):
nineteen ninety nine and November two thousand, so pretty recently.
The black jacket was Uniclo brand and that was only
offered to September two thousand, so like he had just
bought that. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah, the
baseball shirt was rare, with only ten being sold in

(32:48):
Tokyo and only one hundred and thirty being sold in
all of Japan from a store called MX.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Well, that narrows it down.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, so they did. They were able to track down
all ten of the Tokyo ones, and none of them
were the person, so they didn't buy it in Tokyo.
I guess they tracked down two other people as well,
like twelve total so far. I don't know why can't
they They can't track everyone, but they only found twelve

(33:21):
who bought the shirt. None of them are the person,
so that that really sounds I guess, but it's definitely
like the shirt was purchased outside of the Tokyo area then.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Also like the knife, so it was a Shimi knife.
Like I said, there were only fifteen hundred of them
made at all, and they were on sale in June
two thousand and they were twenty five dollars then, so
they tried to find all these fifteen hundred people, which
they did not. They could not, But there was one

(33:59):
supermarket in Kanagawa Prefecture, which is kind of nearby, where
someone had bought only that knife and literally nothing else
the day before the murders.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Well, I bet you that's who it was then, Yeah,
but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
I saw somewhere that they had CCTV and they couldn't
find the person from the CCTV, Sarah.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Every time they're CCTV, they don't work whenever we need
the blurry or they don't, they don't worry.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, so they didn't have any actual leads from finding that,
but that has.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
To be the Yeah, well, based on what we talked
about so far, that's extremely opportunistic behavior and buying something
twenty four hours or something, the exact murder weapon being
purchased twenty.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Four hours prior to the murder. That's what he That's who.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
It was, right, Yeah, And like kind of Gowa. It's
like an hour from Tokyo, but it is considered like
the greater Tokyo area still, so I guess it's like
they say nearby, but it's when I sere nearby, I
think it's like right down the street, but it was
it's like an hour away. But you know, like these

(35:19):
purchases are really hard to track because Japan is like
a cash society. Still. I wanted to say that because
a lot of people here like why can't you track
all one hundred and fifty people who bought the shirt
or whatever? And it's like, well, everyone pays in cash,
so how are you gonna find like a person?

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, just not.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
So it's a different type of culture like here. It
would be too easy to just be like, okay, cool
who swiped their debit card to buy this?

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Give me that report. You'll have it in two seconds, right.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
So it's much harder over there. But there were a
couple there was a witness I guess, who saw like
a man that matched the description of the killer near
the Sejo Goku in my station.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
I thought you were fluent in Japan, Sarah.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
I'm really tired. Okay, let me try get it's Sejo
Goku in my Does that that better?

Speaker 3 (36:20):
It does?

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Okay. So they saw this guy on the twenty ninth,
like the day before, at that station, and then they
saw someone else that looked like the same guy at
the Sengawa station on the thirtieth, which these are like
within thirty minute walk of the house.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Oh okay, so maybe.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
That was the killer too, but again it did not
lead to anything. So okay. The fanny pack though, that
the fanny peck's weird.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Everyone, I want to know what's in the fan fixites
on it?

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah. So, first of all, it was size thirty two
inch waist okay, And there had been three thousand of
these sold in Japan and they had stopped selling it
in January nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Okay, so.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, so the spannie pack was well used and they
assumed it had the knife in it. So they found
hair of the killers inside. And they also found like
a fluorescent red residue that's like from a highlighter, like
the you'd find. And then there was also like sticky

(37:32):
residue that you would think is from like grip tape
for like skaters.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Why do skateboarders have duct tape?

Speaker 1 (37:42):
No grip tape like your tape?

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Okay, sorry, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
And then there was also sand which they can track
sand where it comes from, because all the sand in
the world is unique, I guess, or most of it.
So this sand was traced to the Mohave Desert what California, Nevada. Yeah, yeah,

(38:10):
there was also a little bit of sand from the
japan coastal area of the Mura Peninsula.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
So okay, that's wild.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah, Like why is this so again? People are kind
of thinking it's not a Japanese person.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
I would agree.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Yeah, So we'll talk more about the sand in the
theories section. But yeah, so they had a really good
description of the sky because of all this evidence. They
said he was like five six slight build. They put
his age like fifteen to thirty five at first, but
they've changed it, like in twenty sixteen to like fifteen

(38:52):
to twenty four. Yeah, I mean a young person.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I based on the actions that they did, I would
associate that with someone either immature, like physically or emotionally,
one of the two, and that would fit the.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Bill right also likely right handed and type A blood
and maybe not someone Japanese because of the sand and
the DNA and the shoes. Yeah. Yeah, so it's a
little weird that Harco, like Yasco's mom and her sister,

(39:32):
I guess not her cousin. Her sister Anne was in
the other house and they didn't hear anything.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
That is weird because there was obviously a fight, and
I don't think you would. I don't think you have
a lot of control over like your audible like senses
when you do that, like you're gonna be yelling just
because you, Like, I think it's just something that happens

(40:01):
to you. So and especially the mother and the daughter,
Like you would have heard the daughter because she was
obviously being protected, you know, so she would have been
freaking out too.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
So yeah, so that's weird, I guess. Also Anne's husband
and their teenage son lived there as well, so they
were there. They were all there. They did say they
heard noises around eleven twenty to eleven thirty, but they
just said they heard three loud thuds that's it. No
screams or anything. And the son also said he had

(40:35):
heard around eleven thirty a thud and a clang, which
when police investigated, they found that the fold up ladder
to the attic like makes that kind of noise, so
they think maybe that's when he went to kill the
mom and daughter. But right, but like, yeah, they didn't
hear any screams or the struggle where Mikiyo was fighting him,

(40:56):
like nothing so that's.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
A little weird, That's what I'm saying. Like, if you
if you can hear a ladder being opened, you would
think you would very easily be able to hear a
struggle of people.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Fighting, right, So I don't know what's up with that.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
And once again, in that culture, everybody is so extremely respectful,
like that would be something you probably rarely hear, is
a fight like that, right.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Yeah, you would definitely take notice.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
So yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Police interviewed thirty five thousand people in the surrounding area.
So like they found, you know, the couple eyewitness statements
like the train station we already talked about, but then
they also had a couple other ones. Around one or
eleven thirty pm, someone saw someone hurridly rushing in the
direction of the house that looked like the killer. I

(41:52):
get like that looked like the clothing, but it's like
that's not very helpful, right. There was also a share
ride with a taxi like very early that morning to
like a nearby train station, and one of the men
had left some blood behind, like on the the seat.
So the taxi driver called that in and said maybe

(42:14):
that was him, But I assume they tested it and
that wasn't the same blood or something.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
Well, what the fuck? Just random people bleeding all over
the place. No, yeah, that's fuck weird.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Yeah. There was also a sighting in Nobu Nico's train
station in Nico, which is three point three and a
half hours away from Tokyo, like later that day, like
people think maybe, yeah, they think maybe he got on
a train and went up there because they saw someone
like that. And that person that they saw had a

(42:48):
severe hand injury as well, so it could fit. And
I mean they didn't find that person. I guess Nico's
like in the mountains, so if he did go over
there or like, he could have just disappeared kind of
into the wildness, I guess. And so so the police

(43:10):
did check all the hospitals in the area and to
find anyone with that kind of hand injury being treated.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
So well, at least he's not gonna be stupid.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Yeah, But at the same time, like a cut on
like I'm assuming the palm, Yeah, I think it would
be very like it would hurt, but I don't think
it'd be something that you would have to go to
the hospital over, you.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Know what I mean. I guess how deep though, I
mean you might need stitches.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
But maybe, but I mean it's I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
You could probably do butterfly.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah, just keep it wrapped and cleaned for you know,
a few weeks and you'd probably be all right.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
Yeah. But with the witness in Nico, some people are saying,
maybe he was hanging out at the house to be
able to get on the train because the first to
Nico isn't until like seven am, So that's why I
was hanging around.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yeah, that's probably why. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, so let's see. Yeah, the police chief Suchida had
said that this area usually only sees five autopsies a year,
so it was like very notable. Obviously, the whole family
was killed at once, and it's four people.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
Like it, we're already out of quota for the year.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah yeah, no more. Well it was the end of.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
The year, so I guess, okay, well then we're good.
We're good, We're good, right. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
So they took the fingerprints and they ran it through
all their databases and nothing came up as a match.
So that means that person had never been booked for
a previous crime in Japan, right right, or like since then,
So that's a little if.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
If they're not from there, they could have left the contrary, right,
So yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
They fingerprinted like every person who was close to the family,
like every person who was at that cram school and
every person that was at that skate park as well,
and they had no matches. And then I guess in
Japan there's a law that prohibits police from like looking
at DNA databases to look for matches, like to fish

(45:24):
for suspects, like they can't use like twenty three meters
and stuff like that, like relatives who would match. So
they weren't as excited about the DNA, but they still,
like you know, used it to try and match with anyone,
and nothing came up for that either, And they can't
say they could just say if it matches or doesn't match,

(45:47):
like they can't say, right, yeah, but yeah, the their
DNA database is pretty extensive though, because every person who
either who was ever well I guess whoever was ever arrested,
like they're taken as their DNA right away, even if
there's not a trial later. They have all of those.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah, so it's never matched in there either. And then
the South Korean government has all of its citizens' fingerprints
on record since they turned seventeen. That's just what South
Korea does. So the killers prints were checked with South
Korea's database as well, and they didn't find any matches either.

(46:35):
But like if they thought this person was fifteen, I
hope they ran it again.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Like well, yeah, I mean if it wouldn't be in there.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Just wait another you know, two three years and see
if it populates now.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Yeah. Also, every foreigner whoever enters Korea has to give
their fingerprints as well, and that's stored for life. And
they didn't find anything in there either.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Interesting, Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
I don't remember doing that when I went to Korea.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah, but you also went with a cold.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah, check out our cult episode if you are not familiar. Well,
I still went through the customs.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
Well is it for is it for people? Is it
for anyone visiting? Or is it for just people living there?

Speaker 1 (47:23):
What I found is every foreigner who ever enters South Korea.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
I don't know. I'm not sure that's true.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
Yeah, just because like like for instance, I did a
I did a TDIDE apployment over there.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
We never got fingerprinted.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah, but you might have different you already you already
have your fingerprints, Like maybe they provided it without you
doing anything.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
I never did any finger They don't fingerprints you in
the military.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Really, they don't have your fingerprints.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
Not that I remember.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
I don't know. Okay, well, but they might have an
agreement since you're part of the military, that you don't
need to do that or something.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Maybe I don't know, but.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
I assume whoever comes through regularly customs. I don't know.
I don't know if it's true. That's what I found,
but I don't remember doing that either.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
You were just with the right people, Sarah.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Yeah, they got me in no problems. Also, since two
thousand and seven, in Japan, they also require any foreigner
visiting to provide fingerprints apparently now, so this person if
they were not Japanese, then they haven't been back to
Japan since two thousand and seven.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Did you have to do that when you don't remember
it either?

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Though I don't remember doing that, I might have had
to do it as like for to get my visa.
I really cannot remember, cause I've been to Japan twice. Now.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
I was going to say, you've been home.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
I remember doing it in high school. But you know,
you fill out so much paperwork, but you'd think you
would remember putting your fingerprints. I think there is a
thing though, when you're in line at the customs, when
you give them your whatever, your passport. I think there
is like a just for the one finger or your thumb.

(49:15):
Maybe okay, but I don't I don't remember exactly, so
that might not be true either, But that's what I found.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
Well, I mean it could be, but I I just
don't remember doing I.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Just don't remember. Yeah, next time I go I'll update
in the next two years to go.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
To go to customs. Why aren't you fingerprinted me? This
is your guys's rules.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Yeah, so it's Chickens and seven the killer of the
SETI guy a murders. So they also ran the fingerprints
through Interpol, which they have a database of criminals from
around the world. And uh, there were no matches there either.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Well that doesn't really prized me though, because, like we
said earlier, I think this is probably the first time
this guy has ever done anything based on his action.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, but then he's never done it since or like
hasn't left his fingerprints again.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Like I mean, maybe he got whise once all the
information came out, like we got everything on you, and
now he's super careful.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah. Now he's like, oh, if I leave even a
drop of blood, they're going to get me.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
I can't even blink in here because one of my
eyelashes might fall off.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
Yeah maybe. Yeah. I know they wanted the US or
China to run it through their databases for the fingerprints,
but I don't think either have cooperated for that. So
I don't know. Do we have a lot of fingerprint database.
I mean, I'm sure they would want people to do

(50:48):
the DNA.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Too, But I remember, and I don't know why this happened,
but I remember in kindergarten I got fingerprinted.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Yes, I have a picture of meybe fingerprint.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
So I'm pretty sure the US has a pretty extensive Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
I was like, Mom, don't let them do this.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
She said that it was a program for if we were.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Lost, just to get our information.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
That's fun.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yeah, right, So I'm assuming if we if we had
to do that in the United States, I'm sure China
has a pretty robust yeah fanker print system.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Yeah, but they haven't ran it through those systems. I
don't think they've agreed to do that. So, but since
two thousand, they have ran it against five million people
and no match. So one day, maybe they also checked
hotels nearby for foreigners, like who would have checked in
If it was a foreigner, they would have had to

(51:48):
stay somewhere. They got no leads from that either. So
there is a current reward for information. So it's twenty
million yen, which that's the largest in Japanese history for reward,
which is like one hundred and thirty six thousand.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Okay, I was going to say.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
I thought it would be close to like one hundred
and fifty thousand dollars, is what I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
So yeah, man, yeah, well the current trade rate yesterday
it set one hundred and thirty six thousand.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
It should be more right right now.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
But yeah, but yeah, the police put out flyers every
year on the anniversary, like still to this day, and
they also dress up like the mannequin, like wearing the
exact clothing that he was wearing to try and get
any more information, I guess. And in twenty twenty four,
they aired a video clip on electronic billboards in Shinjuku

(52:43):
and Toshima Awards plus four other locations to like put
the information out there to get some back, and they're
going to air that clip for a year so try
and get more interest again since it's been twenty five years.
But yeah, there are nine main theories.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Let's hear them so well.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
The first is Robert Gunn wrong, were already talked about
that though, Yeah I knew, yeah, yeah, that would be
crazy if it was just random. The second theory is
it doesn't really say why, but it says it was
a Korean national that did it just because of the

(53:27):
DNA I guess and because Korea is so close, like
two and a half hours away on a flight. Yeah,
and they don't think it was a Japanese person.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
But I mean I get I get why you would
think that, But then it's like, why would they do that?

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Yeah, it doesn't really explain the why.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yeah, it's just a it explains the foreign element of
the story, but it doesn't check any of the other boxes, right.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
The third theory is it again doesn't really explain the why.
But some people say there were three men that did
it just because of the tip from the taxi driver,
because the taxi driver like is a ride share and
they picked up three people like separately. It's like, I
don't think.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
So, No, I feel like it was an individual.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Yeah, because also, how are you going to leave so
much evidence just one person and then you don't have
any evidence of two other people.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Hey, hey, John, you're the scapegoat here. Man. I need
you to cut I need you to go to the bathroom,
and I need you to take all your clothes off. Okay,
take one for the team and just do this for me.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Right that way that if you're caught, then we won't
be Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Right.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
So the fourth theory is it was a hired hit man.
This keeps coming up, but someone said that there was
a hit man. This mostly comes I guess. There's an
investigative journalist, Fuyima ishi Hachi. So he wrote a book
that implies the killer was a former member of the
Korean military and he had turned international killer for hire,

(55:03):
and that's who did it. He claims to have solved
the case.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
That it was like.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
That seems a bit too like Hollywood esque, Like, you
know what I mean, Jason Bourne style freaking killer that
poops in your house after he kills you.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
You know what I mean, Why would all of that
stuff happened if it was a hire to hit man. Yeah,
he says it was mister Lee of course, and apparently.
He says he obtained the fingerprints somehow and matched. He said,
it matched to this mister Lee person.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Okay, well cool tournament and see where he's at, right, Yeah,
that's the case.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
Yeah, and people say he was hired to kill them
to speed up the land development for the park.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
So they well, okay, and to be fair, I was
kind of thinking that at the end of the story
when you were talking about that. But then it's like, Okay,
if there were only six people, why did those other
six people also not get mysteriously murdered.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
That couldn't be you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't really make sense either. Plus, like
the house is still standing now, like it's a memorial,
so it's saying you didn't do a very good job
of selling it then if that's the goal. So the
fifth theory is it was someone from the military. They
some people do say the Korean military, but people also

(56:34):
are saying the US military because of that sand. So
the sand that's in the Mahabi Desert it's near Edwards
Air Force Base, and then the sand that's on the
Mura Peninsula there's also a US Air Force base there. Yeah,
so they're thinking this was someone on deployment or something

(56:56):
or like rotation and they call this family.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I guess now, So that is what I was hoping
you were going to say when I heard the Mahabi desert,
because there is a lot of training areas out there
and whatnot. It's a great time, Sarah, if you ever
joined the army just you know, love to go to
Fort Irwin for you know, a rotation.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
But what I noticed when I was on that TD
wide deployment in Korea is when you have certain individuals
that get away from their reality, they act fucking crazy.
And it wouldn't surprise me for somebody that's already relatively

(57:38):
unhinged just to go out and do a random killing,
like like a United States soldier, you know what I mean.
And I'm not throwing any like I'm not saying every
single United States soldier would do this. I'm saying there
are a handful of very very fucked up individuals in
every organization that could go out and do that.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
For sure.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
I mean there's definitely people that join like the military
or the police just so they can like kill people
like literally or so that definitely could have happened there
are also seven US military facilities in Tokyo, which the
headquarters of the US for Air Force Japan is in Yokota,
which is only eighteen miles away from the house. So yeah,

(58:27):
and like then they could have just been sent to
a different base and never came back or whatever. Or
some people are saying it was a military brat too,
since their thing it was like fifteen at the youngest,
like someone's kid. But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I'm I'm more laid in towards it was like an
active duty service member that did it, got back on
whatever installation they are, and then just went back home.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Yeah, right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
That's why I'm thinking, because it said like fifteen to
twenty four, so you get I can be in eighteen
or nineteen like someone. Yeah, like yeah, and yeah, the
US has never run their the fingerprints or DNA as
far as I know, So.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Well, I don't think that's a I don't think that's
like a nefarious act on the United States government. I
just think it's one of those things where they're just like,
we don't have time for this.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Yeah, but well you said they don't have your fingerprints,
do they have your DNA? Like would they if they
did run it, would they be able to find if
it was a military person.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Oh, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
I mean as many like medical things that you have
to do and stuff like that, I'm sure they have
some sort of record of something of you. Like they're
definitely I don't.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
Know for sure.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
I mean I was never privy to any stuff like crazy,
but I mean as much as you get poked and prodded,
I'm sure that they have some sort of record of
everything about you.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Yeah, so if they did ever run it, maybe it
would paying if this was a military person. But yeah,
I don't think they're purposely not doing there's just yeah, yeah,
it's not high on their list, I guess no. And
also people think military because usually if you killed for
the first time or don't kill that often, then you're

(01:00:14):
going to be in shock and to like kill four
people ice cream and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Yeah, well no, that's what I was talking about earlier,
Like that that adrenaline dump is real, man, once you
go through some crazy shit and then you're like you
come down off that, like your body almost does go
into shock. So having a nice place to sit, having
a nice something to eat, something that feels good, you know,
what I mean, would bring you a lot of comfort

(01:00:39):
in that moment. And then like the one thing I
always noticed after like some crazy intense stuff was you
were so fucking tired out of nowhere. So the sleeping
on the bed makes sense, you know what I mean,
or the couch.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Right. So sixth theory is it was a revenge killing
either someone from the Cram school or the skate park.
So this Cram school, I don't know. They say maybe
this person didn't do well on an exam and blamed
yasco and then killed her in her family because of that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Well, I the only reason I don't put too much
stock in that is once again is from the cultural aspect,
like everyone like that is younger, or if there's someone
in position of authority in that culture, you have like
the utmost respect for them at all times, yeah, you know,

(01:01:39):
and not saying that that there aren't people that don't
abide by that in Japan, but the norm is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
That, you know, right, Yeah, And like everyone who was
at the Cram school like at that time, I guess
they were fingerprinted. I don't know about you know, if
this person had already taken exam and wasn't going there anymore,
Like how far back did they go in fingerprinting people?
I guess yeah, but but yeah, that was mostly cleared.

(01:02:10):
But for the skate park they kind of latched onto
this theory too, Like Mikio had complained about the noise
from the skate park like a lot, like many times,
and like skateboarders have the reputation of being punks and
whatever people think. Yeah, so people think that they got

(01:02:31):
mad enough and like killed them. I guess that would
seem insane though.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Yeah, but then it's like I would expect a group
of people. I wouldn't expect just a single person.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Yeah, that's either more like a gang or something.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Yeah, right, it would have been more of there'd be
more evidence of multiple people for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Yeah. And the media kind of latched on that the
outfit was like a skater but.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Sure, well, I mean I don't know, well, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Could be remembering this wrong, but I remember when I
was skateboarding during that time, and like the you know,
late nineties, early two thousands, you either had like the
super baggy look or you had like the tight.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Fit in look. You know, that was like the two.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
So I could definitely see the outfit of why they
would say, yeah, this looks like a skateboarder, but what
doesn't seal the deal for me? Are the new Balance
esque shoes no skateboarder, yeah or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
That's what I was thinking, Like those shoes definitely not
and like some people said, the bucket hat, like that's
not really Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
I don't ever remember seeing anybody that wasn't a weirdo
wearing those.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
So yeah, but I saw like a little video of
where they interviewed like actual skaters in Japan and they
said that that outfit just looked like someone who thought
that's what skaters wear to like blend in maybe more
with the area. Yeah, so yeah, but they they did

(01:04:12):
point out like the Drukar Noir, the cologne, like I said,
that was super popular among skaters because there was a
skater who did an ad campaign for that cologne and
I guess he was one of the best skaters in
the world in the eighties, so like a lot of
Japanese and he was Japanese, so a lot of Japanese people,
like skaters started wearing that cologne. Who was you know,

(01:04:37):
I don't know, best skater in the world in the eighties,
who are Japanese. I think it was a Japanese.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
For Asians say yes, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Yeah, I don't know. So yeah. The seventh theory is
that it was a random team, specifically because of a
forum post on two chan that had been written three
days before the murder, and this post had predicted their deaths.

(01:05:09):
So they think whoever posted that was the killer, and
they think it was a teen and it was more random,
I guess, because this person posted saying they had been
harming animals and they wanted to know how it felt
to harm like humans and to see their organs. And

(01:05:30):
he also said he wanted to imitate a different high
profile case that had happened where a minor had killed
a family in Japan. I don't remember what that case was. Yeah,
And it said specifically, like when he sees a happy
family next door, he wants to kill them, and he

(01:05:51):
said it would happen at eleven thirty pm on December thirty,
first before the twenty first century arrives, which was like
a day after I guess, right, yeah, and that poster
was thirteen. I guess so, But I think they I

(01:06:12):
don't think they could find that person specifically. I guess
who posted it. I don't know. I don't think they ever.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Well, I'm sure it's it'd be hard to track, especially
at that time.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
Yeah, yeah, so I don't know, some random team maybe.
But then another was, yeah, just weird about the date
and time. I guess because I do think it happened
around that time and the date was yeah, one day

(01:06:44):
later or whatever. But so another theory is this like
Chinese guy. I could not find his name, but on
October twenty nineteen, like Japanese magazine named a suspect who
attacked a doc and he was Chinese, and I guess
the DNA from that case matched the DNA from this case,

(01:07:08):
is what the magazine reported.

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
I was about to say if that was actually the case,
and yeah, okay, it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
It's just it's just what people say, is it was
this Chinese guy. But yeah, like the police are not
currently saying it's him and on a manhunt and stuff,
so I feel like that's not true. Yeah, okay. So
last theory is that there was a worker from this
like yaku Niku restaurant in the area was just like

(01:07:42):
the chicken on a stick kind of places. It is.
It's literally like grilled meat is what it is, but
it's like more the stick once. But I guess police
got a lead in twenty twenty one that are free
Quent customer on her morning walk had seen this worker

(01:08:03):
in the area on like the morning of the murder
with a bandaged hand. So but I think somehow maybe
from chicken, Yeah, maybe right, And I don't know if
he looks much like I mean, I guess they don't
really have a description of the person, just his clothing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
Well, they're going off of a lot of assumptions just
in age as well.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Right, So yeah, so those are kind of the whole theories.
I definitely am leaning. I lean more towards the like military, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
For sure, that that is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
And I'm trying not to be biased, like I was
trying to have like a really open mind with with
all the theories. But you got to think some of
these TD wide deployments, they're anywhere from three to months
to a year, Like you're not there that long relatively speak,
you know what I mean, Like and once you get
and I know every branch is different and whatnot, but

(01:09:08):
you know, it's it's usually typically like you spend about
anywhere from two weeks to thirty days in country before
you're allowed to leave the base to kind of like
acclimate a little bit, try to learn some about the culture.
That way, the first time you go out of base,
you're not a fucking complete jackass, even though people are.
But you know, I remember in Korea, it was so

(01:09:30):
easy once we passed that thirty day mark, like we
were allowed to go off base and just go wherever.
Like there there was no restriction. Yeah, like you could
just hop on a train and go. Like a bunch
of my buddies and me, we went to uh we
went to Hyundai just because we had a we had

(01:09:52):
a weekend past. We're like, fuck it, dude, let's go,
you know what I mean. Yeah, And nobody said a word, right,
and a lot of guys like that's that. We had
like a Christmas leave little thing. A lot of them
put in leaf packets and all they had to do
was submit the hotel they were staying at and it
could be anywhere in the country.

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
Oh wow, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
So it would be so easy to get off base
for a two day pass, go do some crazy shit
and get back right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Yeah, and then you're never going to go there again
probably anyway, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Yeah, yeah, So in twenty ten, the case was going
to hit the Statute of limitations, but since it was
such a high profile case, Japan actually changed the statute
of limitations, so they.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
Removed it to apply to cases where a conviction would
lead to the death penalty, to like any case that's
like that can stay open forever. Now this can be open,
so if they ever do find someone, they could try
them and send the sentence them to the death penalty. So,
and the house is still there. In twenty nineteen, the

(01:11:11):
police wanted to tear it down because of like its
structural condition, but like family and the supporters appealed the decision,
and the house is still standing like as of December
twenty four because you can see it on the Google maps.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Well, I think, like you said, having that is sort
of a memorial, you know, I'm sure it brings a
lot of solace to family and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Yeah, I mean a lot of people think the police
were incompetent, maybe because it's still unsolved, Like a lot
of people are mad about it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Well, and it was I'm target Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
Well I was just going to say it was during
the holiday too, So people say it was a reserve,
so they didn't I don't know, do something right because
they weren't full police or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Yeah, I mean, well, it's easy to say, especially with
some of the cases that we've covered of like there
have been like absolute prime examples of gross incompetence that
have happened.

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
And the unfortunate reality.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Is is that the police and investigators and people that we
put on this high pedestal to solve these cases are
still just people. They're going to make mistakes, they're going
to do dumb shit, and I don't think it comes
down to like, I don't think it's like intentionally incompetent.

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
It's just like how much shit do they have going
on on top of that? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Yeah? So yeah, So they have suggested to use DNA
to build a face. Because of current technology, you can
do that, but a lot of people are saying, yeah,
oh no, well a lot of people are saying that
could lead to false images because just because your DNA

(01:13:06):
could look like this person doesn't mean you do look
like that. So they haven't done that yet. But yeah,
there's been over two hundred and eighty thousand investigators looking
at it throughout the years, so like that's a massive use.
And then because like people hear about it too and
they want in on it, like even if they're not Japanese,
they want like to take the crack out of it

(01:13:29):
and stuff. So and in twenty nineteen there were thirty
five officers assigned to the case, which is still like
today they're still assigned.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Oh wow wow.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
Yeah, and they just can't figure it out. But I
feel like it will be solid eventually.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
With so much Eventually, yeah, eventually it will be there'll
be something that technology will improve, or something will slip up,
or the person that did it will slip and you
always get caught events.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Right unless it was I mean, if it was a
foreign person and they never go again back to the country,
then I guess maybe they'll forget though, and they'll go
back and then they'll get caught.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
H I don't know, man, Like I feel like the
person that did it was really messy and experienced emotional
you know that, like, and to be able to to
continue to do something like that, I don't think. Yeah,
I feel like they would have been caught already if

(01:14:34):
they had done it again, you know, So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Yeah, that's where we're.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
At with that well, I don't know I'm willing towards
the military stuff. But you know, listeners will have links
down below for any of the information that we've talked
about today. If you have any theories, let us know
in the comments down below. If you have any leads,
hit up that line that Sarah's going to drop in
the show notes. That way, you know, hopefully you can

(01:15:04):
get this solved. And it'd be a really awesome thing
to have like a follow up episode like two years
from now or whatever and it's like, hey, we caught
this hotfucker, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Right, So, yeah, that would be nice.

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