August 18, 2025 • 50 mins
The Grand Canyon holds more than just breathtaking views—some say it guards secrets buried deep within its stone walls. In this episode, we explore claims of hidden chambers filled with Egyptian artifacts, stories of ancient giants once discovered by early explorers, and whispers of classified military bunkers tucked away from the public eye. Is there alien technology buried beneath the canyon floor? And could these forbidden areas rewrite everything we think we know about human history? Join us as we descend into one of America’s most mysterious landscapes.
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Speaker 1 (01:21):
I am Jake, I'm Sarah. Sarah.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
You've been to the Grand Canyon before, haven't you?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yes, I stayed over, well not overnight, but I stayed
late to watch the Milky Way.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Oh yeah, I'm sure, Like that's one of those places
I've always wanted to go. I've been like close to
the Grand Canyon like geographically speaking, but I've never actually
had the opportunity to go, and I really need to
make that trick happen.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
It's one of those like it's probably one of those
situations that I could be completely talking out of turn here,
but it makes you feel like super insignificant, small and
you know what I mean, like just staring.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
At Yeah, it doesn't look real.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah. I was going to say it was like a painting,
you know.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I don't know, man, It's it's one of those things
that I cannot imagine people seeing for the first time,
you know what I mean, Like that had to be
like almost like I guarantee you it was just one
of those like standback in awe moments, even if like
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regardless of how technologically advanced that that individual was, it
had to have just been like holy shit moment, you know, right.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, Yeah, it's crazy, and I don't want to get
too close to the edgeine expression.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well, that's actually a halfway decent segue because we're going
to talk about certain spots in the Grand Canyon you
are not allowed to go today, and maybe why we're
not allowed to go to those spots. But we're not
here to like talk about the beauty and all that.
You can look it up online, you can go and
(03:03):
visit it. Okay, We're here to talk about the WU,
not so much the WU because there is some some
pretty crazy stuff. So we're gonna we're gonna go ahead and
get into it. Okay, So why are certain parts of
the Grand Canyon completely offliness of the public. Sarah, you
kind of hinted on one right, thinking about the safety aspect.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, it's not safe to go in or it's like
on the bottom in.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
No, no, not not all of it, just just certain
parts of it that that's definitely, that's definitely a fact,
Like there are definitely parts that are that are roped
off for your safety for sure. Something I didn't know.
On average, eleven people die there per year from falling.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Oh, I feel like I thought it would be more,
but well eleven, I mean how many people visit?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, I mean like it's definitely not as big as
I thought it was. But nonetheless, like you, falling off
the edge of the Grand Canyon is completely preventable in
ninety percent of cases.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
You know, I mean, like.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
It's not like you're just walking on the established trail
the next thing you know, you just fly off of
it or anything, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
But some of it's pretty steep as you're going down
for sure, for sure you could call there, I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, yeah, but I mean I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Know, people get very close.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, I don't know what all of these. I don't
know if these are all falling deaths, but apparently nine
hundred people have died since like the eighteen hundreds. Now,
like I said, I wasn't able to find like a
breakdown of like what those were because it could be
any number of things. Because if we're talking about as
far as you know, two centuries ago, it could have
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been something as simple as exposure or starvation or dehydration.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Like, there's a lot of different things that could have
happened in those nine hundred people. But with it being
so small, I almost want to say it is for
falling too.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Right, But well, it is easy to fall I guess
that's true. Just don't get too close to the engine.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Well, and then there are also like really fragile ecosystems
there that you know, that we don't want to disturb
as human beings. We do enough of that on the
planet as it is, and you know, we don't want
to fuck up anything else there, and that's one of
the reasons why they're restricted. And then there are also
some like sacred sites belonging to some indigenous cultures, such
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as like the Hopie. We don't want to go and
fuck that up, like we already have, you know, Yeah,
I mean so. But here's the thing. Some of these
off limit sites, they happen to line up perfectly with
some of the most bizarre and controversial stories that have
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ever been told about the Grand Canyon. So we're going
to kind of start at the beginning of where this
controversy kind of started. Okay, So this is from nineteen
oh nine. This is the Egyptian discovery and the Smithsonian
cover up.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Okay, at the Grand Canyon apparently. Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So on April fifth, nineteen oh nine, the Phoenix Gazette
published a story that shook the foundations of American archaeology.
A man named ge Kincaid, working with the Smithsonian, reportedly
discovered a vast underground complex in the Grand Canyon. Inside
of that underground complex were Egyptian style artifacts, hieroglyphs, mummies,
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and supposedly, they say, a statue of Buddha. But I
want to I think that's a very general term. The
way that it was read when I read the article
was someone not of Western culture, So I don't think
it's like the typical Buddha statue. I think it was
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it was showing someone that wasn't an indigenous person of
North America or you know, people from European descent, Like
it was something outside of that culture, is what I
kind of got from it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
This was like a cara.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Well yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Was almost like the way they described it was like
a labyrinth like honeycomb man made structure. I yeah, I'm
trying to like picture that, but like I'm thinking a
bunch of like tunnel ways, a bunch of like awning walkways,
like like it was an established, like man made structure
for sure, is what they were saying. Now, and you know,
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typical fashion. The Sibsonian has denied the entire thing. They
claim that cocaid never worked for them. There are no records,
there's absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
But here's where it gets a little weird. The area
specifically mentioned is now under government control and has completely
off limits.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, that's not suspicious at all. Like so it wasn't
after or before it wasn't. Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
That that kind of like leaves me to believe.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Like at first, when you hear like an organization like
the Smithsonian, it's.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Like, well, yeah, it's probably just a hoax.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's probably something because you know, back in the day,
they used to be able to write articles, and whoever
had the craziest article is the one that got in
the paper, you know what I mean, Like right, there
was a lot of bullshit kind of being spread about.
So I don't take the article like wholeheartedly. But it's
also very weird that the same place is now off
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limits and controlled by the United States government.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, that's never a good sign.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So but let's kind of get into a little bit
of this article because there's a lot that goes into this,
and I'm kind of just going to have like the
Cliff Snoes version, but I kind of want to give
a little bit of context to this. So this Grand
Canyon article explained that the explorer, once again G. Kincaid,
had made the initial discovery and was joined by a
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Smithsonian Science scientists named S. A.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Jordan.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I don't know why we have these like initials for
first emeralds. Yeah, but apparently that's what we're going with.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
They were there to study what was described as a
wondrous labyrinth honeycomb of man made tunnels filled with seemingly
Eastern treasures. So we're talking golden urns, sophisticated copper tools,
ancient artifacts, hieroglyphs, mummified remains statues. It was very It
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looked very almost like if Hinduism and Egyptian cultures kind
of like melded together, is what I got from the article. So,
like I said, we're not looking at like indigenous North
America people or European culture. Like it's something that is
way on the other side of the world.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
So that's crazy, you.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Now, there were supposedly these tablets that were or yeah,
tablets that were engraved with hieroglyphics, and it was like
they they called it the Mystery of the Prehistoric North
America something like that. So it was like something was
here but or something like either it originated here or
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it was migrated from those other cultures, you know what
I mean. So there's also a theory and this is
this is way way, way, way way out there. So apparently,
you know, Egypt has the Nile River, and then Arizona
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and Colorado supposedly, at some point in time in Earth's history,
like there was water ways that connected all of those.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But I'm not like in Pangaea.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, I'm not putting too much stock into that. That
sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me, because that
is way too far back for anything like that.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But yeah, for to wash up a.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Right, So ok, yeah, I don't put a whole lot
of stock in that. But there's a lot of people
also that think that that nineteen oh nine article was
a fabrication. Modern day skeptical writers, academics, and the Smithsonian
of course, claim that it was simply a piece of
sensational yellow journalism. It's kind of what I was talking
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about earlier.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
You know, somebody.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Creates a crazy story submitted to the paper, the craziest
story makes it in the paper, and that person gets paid.
There was a lot of incentive for people to make crazy, crazy,
crazy stories about this. So on its surface, the article
does appear to be improbable at best and at worst
a dishonest printing of you know, fan of ful tales
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conjured up for you know, profits and stuff like that.
Right now, the original author of the piece is anonymous,
which is even gives more validity to that in my opinion. Yeah,
so the Smithsonian still has publicly denied the story out right,
and they still do to this day that they deny
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any records verifying the existence of a Concaid or a
professor Jordan as well.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Okay, so, oh, why is the government guarding it exactly?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's like, Okay, yes, that story one hundred percent could
have just been made up, and I'm I'm kind of
leaning that it probably was, just because it was an anonymous author.
At the time, those yellow journalists some articles were rampant.
But then, why are we still having these entities like
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the Smithsonian and other government agencies in control of certain
spots where supposedly these things were found allegedly.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, we gotta break in on a road trip.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Hey, I'm just saying on probably the King of podcasts
has talked about this before, and there might be a
possibility he's going there. I'm not going to name any names,
but I'm sure everybody knows who I'm talking about. So
I think we'll let a first, a few people do
that first, Sarah, how about that so we don't just disappear.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, yeah, we'll go once it's safe, once other people disappear.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, here's another weird thing. These there are landmarks in
some of these areas. Okay, now this is an undisputed fact. Okay,
these you can look these up on a map and
you can still see them.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
There's a large group of like out shutting of like
spurs and ridges and stuff like that, different high points
and summits that are in like the Haunted Canyon in
the Trinity Creek area. So very contrasting names for that.
(14:24):
Get get this. These are some of the formation's names.
Osiris Isis, Shiva, Horus, the Tower of Set, and the
Pyramid of Ra.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, all of them. But Shiva is not really Egyptian, but.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Okay, but it's it's still that like Eastern yeah, kind
of melding culture.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
It's Hindu or Egyptian.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah, right, So why are they named that.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
You know what, maybe that's very that that is a possibility,
and I I was thinking that. But it's also worth
noting that who was ever responsible for naming these landmarks.
It's really hard to find out who did that, So
it must have occurred prior to the printing of nineteen
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oh nine, and it was most likely a gentleman named
General John Wesley Powell, who led the first government funded
passage through the Grand Canyon during eighteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Oh wow, it's a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Right, So that's the other thing. It's like, why are
we naming these landmarks off of this culture that.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Is around the world.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, as he's well, And like I said, it's not
confirmed that that's who did that, but it's most likely
that team of people that named that stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
So did they see something when they were out and
about you know what? I mean? I don't know. So uh.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Pow was also the first director of the Smithsonian's Bureau
of Ethnology, Right, I think that's how you say that,
ethan out I think. So, I don't know, I don't
he works He worked for the Yeah, yeah, he worked
for the Smithsonian. Forgive my ignorance of not knowing what
words mean. But yeah, he worked for the Smithsonian, okay,
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and he was a founding member of the Geographic Society
and a member of the Cosmos Club.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Club that was could through I mean like Cosmos Club
and the what was the one.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Uh, the Geographic That's probably not cool.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, that's probably just a people that like to look
at maps and you know, admire the nature's beauty of
water erosion. I don't know, but apparently Pal's expedition experienced
as a series of disasters and resulted in many of
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his notes being lost.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Of course he lost all his notes, no pictures. That's
the olden day version of no.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Pictures, no evidence, right, wow.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
So and not all, but but a lot of his
stuff was was lost due to all I could find
were a series of disasters. I don't know what that means.
Like I said, it's really like it's really hard to
figure out, like what what that even, Like it's hard
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to find out who he like, it's not hard to
find out who he was, but that part of his
life is like impossible to find anything about.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I think blacklisted.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
But back in the day, all they had to have
was a series of disasters. The next thing you know,
is all his notes are gone?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Oh I have a tornado? Like what what now?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Don't get me wrong, I could not imagine in eighteen
sixty nine trudging through the desert and trying to explore
that kind of country, you know what I mean that,
I don't even I wouldn't even want to do that
now with like modern technology and be out there for
you know, months at a time. That would suck. Yeah, right,
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So I don't know, I get it, but it is.
It is very curious that none of most of his
notes are not found, and it's pretty reasonable to conclude
once again that he probably had a hand in naming
most of these landmarks. So that kind of makes it
another you know, weird coincidence of the different cultural naming
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of these things.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, and he works for them like that, Yeah, probably
Just I mean, what do you think is in the
Smithsonian that they don't release to the public, Like, probably a.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Lot, a lot. I'm sure there is a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Well, yeah, I mean, we could probably do a whole
episode on the shady dealings of the Smithsonian as far
as you know, what they keep, what supposedly allegedly they found,
and you know what's not available for public access and
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
So that's that would get us canceled. That's the one.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Next thing, you know, we are actually getting knocks on
the door from people in suits, but it's a Smithsonian shutting.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Us down right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, Well we're going to get into a few of
the theories as too far as what could be out
and about there. Now, this first one, it really really
really kind of speaks to me because I subscribed that
I think human beings are a lot older than what
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we are told. There was an ancient civilization in that
area of the country that inhabited the Grand Canyon mm hm,
and just let that stuff well, I mean, it could
have been any number of things. It could have been
you know, food ran out, there were you know, diseases,
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stuff like that. There could have been any number of
things that just wipes out a civilization, especially if we're
talking tens of thousands of years ago.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
And I like what they say here because it doesn't
say anything about like an advanced civilization. It just says
an ancient civilization, you know what I mean. I don't
think that there were like I believe there was a
level of sophistication for most of these ancient societies that
we sure as shit don't know how to do just
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because we don't have to.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, well, yeah, you definitely lose technology through things.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, but theorists of believe that the Grand Canyon was
once home to an ancient civilization and perhaps apps older
than Egypt.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Itself, maybe they started Egypt.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Well, and once again, it it lends, it lends some
credence to the names of those landmarks, you know, like
the Isis Temple, the Tower of Raw that sort of stuff.
Like it feels like it wouldn't be random for like
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we wouldn't just be like, oh yeah this, this looks
like this, We're going to call something from what we know.
Like if we're going to name something for the first time,
it's going to make something. It's either going to describe
what it is or it's going to be something based
off of what we already know. Yeah, so I don't
think these are random. They they really echo like the Egyptian,
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the Hinduism, the Tibetan, like those Eastern influences quite a lot, right,
And it's possible explores from you know, this ancient world,
you know, reached America long before Columbus did I mean, yeah,
it's it's very likely actually, because anywhere that European explorers
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went usually there was some sort of indigenous people, right,
So it just because we could read write and we had,
you know, an understanding of time and written history, that
doesn't mean that there weren't people at these other places.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, right before that.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, so it's one of those weird things. If it
was like lost of time, it was it a famine?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Was it disease? Was it? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And a few of these supposedly well I guess, alleged
temples that were found in that area, they were supposedly
named after some of those gods. So take that for
what it is. I mean, I don't know that. That's
one that I really kind of lean into, just because
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it makes sense that there would be a civilization there,
and if they were as advanced, if not more than
the Egyptians, there's no reason why they couldn't have lived
in that sort of environment, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, that's true, But then why is the government not
allowing people to go over there, like they just don't
want us to know it's older?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Well, yeah, it's kind of it's kind of weird. I'm
trying to think of the gentleman's name archaeologist. He had
that Netflix series of the Ancient Apocalypse.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Oh yeah, what.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Is his name?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Anyway, he was violently attacked for just suggesting a different
type of history. So, and that was from like the
Old Guard I guess if you, I guess it's in
every sort of profession archaeology. I mean it was like, no,
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this is not what we teach. It's very staunch, and
it's very like by the book, and this is what
we're going to do, and if you disagree with this,
we're going to attack you for it. So it wouldn't
surprise me if there was ancient civilizations that you know, well,
this isn't in the books, and we're not rewriting this,
because that means everything we've said is wrong.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Right, They're no longer the experts.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Then, right.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I think I think it's kind of gatekeeping in that community,
you know what I mean, like, hey, this is what
you study, this is what you do, and if you
find anything different, you don't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
So, and I could be speaking completely out of turn
because I don't know, I don't know any archaeologists.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
So I could be very wrong.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
So if any are listening, I apologize for grossly generalizing
against you.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
So but let's get into the fun ones.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Okay, Yeah, aliens, that.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Is no shit, alien bases, portals in the UFO connection.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Oh so this is one of those really out there
WU ones.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So the Grand Canyon is essentially remote, massive, and quite
perfect for secrets. Some USO researchers have believed parts of
the Grand Canyon conceal underground alien bases or interdimensional or
dimensional portals. Strange lights have been spotted, rumbling sounds of
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no known origin, and there's like a heavily patrolled zones
like miles from any portrayal, like you can see like
there's always like the funny thing about like oh the
black helicopters are going to come get you, but no shit,
there are black helicopters that patrol some of these areas,
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and there are armed security that patrol some of these areas.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So insane off of trails, like how are you even
going to get over there?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
But I'm trying to think because like I've even heard
like when I kind of dug into this portion of
it because I was like, well, who would be stupid
enough to try to like climb down from the top,
like just go through the river system, you know what
I mean? That area is patrolled as well. There are
armed guards that will patrol certain swaths of this area
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that you will be taken out at best from that area,
at worst arrested.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Wow, So I didn't see those people. I gotta go back.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well, you didn't go to the cool spots, Sarah, you
went to the lame touristy ones.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah. I even missed the horseshoe bends apparently done there.
I didn't even see that. But it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
It would kind of be.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
It would kind to be like par for the course though,
because like, if you want to hide something, what's the
best place to hide it? In plain sight where hundreds
of thousands of people every year come to visit, and
you kind of section off these parts and say it's
for your safety. Like, no one's gonna no one's gonna
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question that. No one's gonna be like, oh, well, what
are you hiding over there? They're gonna be like, oh shit, No,
I don't want to fall down this fucking canyon.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
It's so big too, Like you see enough of it
that you wouldn't think like, oh I want to go
over there though, to see or whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Well that's the other thing too, like it's more of
like like you said, it's more of like a sight
seeing thing. And don't get me wrong, I'm sure there
are really awesome spots like you kind of named up,
like the Horseshoe Bend and stuff like, like there's key
spots that you want to see when you go there,
but essentially most places are pretty much the same as
far as what you're looking at.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
You're coming in and out. Can't you hear me?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I can hear it.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
You're frozen though, Oh I'm frozen. You were be an
all robody.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Okay, okay, I don't know, Okay, okay, yeah we're good.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Okay, So I'll start from where I was.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I think when I stopped was like like seeing spots,
like specific spots. Yeah did you hear that part?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I just said, like it's so big, you don't want
to you don't need to see all the other spots.
And then whatever you said after that, I didn't hear anything.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So okay, Yeah, there we go. I gotta I got
a good got a good segue. Magic of editing will
help us here. Okay, So, like you just said, there's
a lot of like key spots that you want to
see as a tourist, right, you want to see like
that horseshoe bend.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
You want to see.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
They're specific spots and you're not gonna be upset if
you see those handful of spots. And like you said,
most people aren't gonna think, Man, I really bet it's
gonna look that much cooler three hundred yards down that way,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Like, yeah, so especially walking, like if you got to
walk all the way down and walk over there and
then walk back to your car, and why I'm not
doing that.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
One can simply not be bothered to do all that.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, that's too much, but it.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Would make sense.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Like I said, you're hiding in playing sight and there
are definitely patrols that happen out that way.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
This is my this is one of my favorite ones.
So we talked about the Hollow Moon. But supposedly this
is an entrance to the Hollow Earth.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Okay, oh we should talk about that too.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
We should we need to do an episode.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I mean, it is a giant gash, so I guess
it's closer to the inside.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, maybe it very well could be, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And out of all the places where people say that's
the entrance to the hollow Earth, like, this would make sense.
If the Earth is hollow, this would make the most sense.
This would be a very good entrance instead of having
to fly all the way to what fucking Antarctica or
whatever the hell.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
They say, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
So, like you said that this is a natural gash
in the Earth, there's probably plenty of cave systems that
could definitely lead you into that part of our supposed
alleged world that we live in now. The hollow Earth
suggests that there is an entire world beneath ours listeners,
if you don't know, with a complete civilization, its own
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light source, other species, like you're pretty much looking at
like Earth two point zero, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It's just like a fairy world, like all the fairy
what legends. I guess it's their world or.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Or are reptilian overlords live down there? Yeah, and they're
really the ones in control. Because I think that's part
of hollow Earth. I could be wrong. I don't buy it,
I think, so, I don't know. I could be just
talking on my ass, which I do quite often.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I mean, everyone's a reptile, right.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
So supposably allegedly, right, So, but there are caves that
do go miles underground, and there are sudden gusts of
warm air that come from some of these caves. There
are echoes that seem unnatural. I mean, it could be
a sign of some vast tunnels that go into a
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completely other world. For me, more than likely, it's probably
just somebody's imagination in that case. Like, have you ever
been splonking and caves and stuff like.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That, Not really, well a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah, it's not a good feeling. Yeah, you're not in
a normal.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Environment that you're used to, and you're you're tight and
you're cramped, and there's water everywhere, and noise doesn't seem
to travel the same.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Like, it's a very odd thing to be in.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
So yeah, if you spend a little bit too much time,
or maybe you've been in the sun too long, I
could see where you could be like, oh, reptiles are
under there, man, I just heard them.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
They just spoke to me.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah right, Well, yeah, maybe you should just go to
a hospital.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
That'd probably be the best. Drink some water, take a knee,
you know, eat some food.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, be all right, But you can't explore the caves there, right,
I don't there now, maybe some of it.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I was gonna say, I'm sure there are some spelunking
tours that are available at the Grand Canyon, because I'm
sure that would be a very good hot ticket item
for people that want to kind of get that thrill
of it, all of them, though I highly doubt it, right, Yeah,
So I don't know off the top of my head,
I didn't look up how many you know.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Cave tours there would be.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I'm sure there are a handful, but I don't think
you'd be able to explore all of them by any means.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
No, And they just show you the set things you see, right,
Blizzard people.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Right right, you're going on a very curated tour of
what you're about to say. So this one kind of
harps back to kind of what we talked about earlier,
but also from a previous episode. Apparently there are giant
skeletons or mummies and quote unquote forbidden archaeology.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
What is happening like that? It's gonna set up a
trap like forbidden archaeology.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
So there's another there's another suppressed story about giants. Throughout
the nineteenth and twentieth century, there were reports of giants,
giant skeletons found all over the place, to include the
Grand Canyon. Okay, most of these were kind of hoaxes,
but some of them were kind of compelling. There was
a few pictures going around where it was like the
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skull was like as big as a person, Like okay,
you know what I mean. But what is interesting A
lot of these stories included skeletons that were over eight
feet tall, they had two rows of teeth and oddly
shaped skulls. So if you remember back from our giants Afghanistan, yeah,
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giants supposedly had to rows of teeth. So I was
kind of kind of cool to see that correlation between
the two. And that could very well be like what
do you think of when you've se an alien a
gray you know what I mean? Just because it's in
pop culture, and that that very well could have been
like a symptom.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Of that as to why a lot of people heard like.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Oh, well, these things have double rows of teeth, So
that's what we're gonna say, you know what I mean,
But supposedly these reports vanished, the bones disappeared, and Smithsonian's
museums all that stuff, they deny absolutely everything.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Right, Wow, of course they do. They probably have the bones.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Probably they probably do a jaw bone with two sets
of fucking teeth, two rows of teeth, you know what
I mean. But no, that's what that's what I was
getting at with like the forbidden archaeology, you know what
I mean. It's it's the stuff that they have, but
they don't want us to know.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So yeah, because it rewrites history and stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Well, this kind of harps back to the alien thing,
and this one is kind of believable. Military zones and
black sites are pretty much a site that is off
the grid, off of public record like that, Like, yeah,
(36:27):
you know what I mean. So it's kind of funny
because a lot of people when they hear stories like this,
they want to assume that it's like, oh, yeah, ancient
cultures or ancient aliens or blah blah blah blah blah,
or it could just be the modern fucking government right now, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, that they're doing some tests there.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Certain parts of the Grand Canyon do lie near restricted
military zones. So some speculate that deep underground military bases
acronym dums nice exists beneath the Grand Canyon, once again
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hiding in plain sight.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
It would be too easy to.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Have an extensive military presence underground in a place where
people seemingly visit all the time. The thing is, like,
I'm not going to go into too much detail, but
when I was in the military, there were certain parts
of certain bases that I would go to and guess
what they had underground? Fucking tunnels and bunkers from.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
The Cold War.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
So if they had them from the Cold War, you
can't imagine that they are still alive and well today
and doing lots of the same thing that they're doing now. Yeah,
So I mean it would would.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
I think that's pretty believable. Yeah, it's not hollower if
it's because because of the military has hollowed out bunkers.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Well, and you always hear you always hear stories about,
you know, weird sounds that don't emanate from anywhere. You
always hear lights that happened to come out of nowhere
like stuff like that. Like that would all kind of
check the Bill, you have a secret underground tunnel that
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is moving machinery, men, equipment, whatever it may be, and
you're eighty feet above it and you can feel it, right,
but you can't you can't distinguish what it would be.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, so I feel like that is really believable.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
But once again, you know, it's a perfect location. It's remote,
it's protected, it's inaccessible to most of those restricted areas.
Like you said, you're gonna have to walk down this
shit and scale down some of these walls and cliffs,
Like you're not getting down there, you know, and if
you do, you have armed patrol that are gonna sweep
your ass up and you're gonna go to jail or
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you're gonna get kicked out whatever. So there's one thing
that I kind of wanted to hit on too. There
are like disappearances that happen and people just happened to
vanish in the Grand Canyon every single year. How many
I didn't get an exact number from it because it
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was one of those like roundabout figures. But sometimes they're found,
sometimes they're not. These disappearances could be linked to some
of these forbidden zones, you know what I mean where
maybe they resisted and these people shot them on site
because they're in a military zone.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Or you know, I hate, oh the list of people
fucking got them.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
They're down there, you know all you know, scaly fied
now and getting turned into the the next reptilian.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
They're using them as a skin suit.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
There you go, that way you can walk around amongst us.
But but no, I I like the disappearances is like
if it's in a restricted military area like it's.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
We've seen enough documentation.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
With like sites like Area fifty one and stuff right
where if you cross that line, they are they are
allowed to use lethal force, right.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, so they probably did just shoot them and cover
it up or whatever.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Very well could have And I mean once again, if
they have an underground base, there's not going to be
hard to hide the body. Yeah, and no one's going
to know what happened. They're going to say, well, they
went into this part of the gorge and they were
never seen again.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
And it's nature, I mean, well miss all the time.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, and it very well could have been where you know,
maybe there was a flash flood and they got swept away.
You're not going to find that body, you know what
I mean, so, I don't know, but there is a
there is another little interesting theory, and this one very
well could be somewhat true about Native American knowledge and
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like sacred rituals that happened there. So Indigenous tribes hold
the Grand Canyon as a place of great spiritual power.
There'll be people speak of the emergence from the underground
like that's where they came from.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Like yeah, yeah, so it's right.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
And I always think it's funny when people chalk up
like this ancient storytelling to like myth or legend or
something like that. It's like, yeah, it is a game
of telephone to a certain extent, but there has to
be like there's something that actually happened to spawn those stories,
Like it wasn't just a hey, I feel like making
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up a story today, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Like especially for their origin, right, some.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Event had to have happened for them to start like
having that spoken history of their culture.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
So I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
It's really weird out in the desert, man, when you
when you're out there, especially with the Native tribes that
live out that way, like they hold such high regard
for like these not buildings are structured, but these these
natural places.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
That cut out again, Yeah, a little bit, but I understood.
I don't know what's happening, but.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
The fucking Grand canyons fucking happening, that's what they're They're
trying to down. Fucking Smithsonians got of our fucking ip
address and is just going to town now.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
They don't want to say, right, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah, it's usually not problems.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Only when we're on the edge of getting to something, Sarah,
when it's a problem. Yeah, But but no, I do.
I do appreciate the the people that really put a
lot of stock in those like sacred sites when it
comes to Native Americans, just because they they obviously had
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so much respect for that area for for whatever reason.
It may be, right, Yeah, I don't know. So those
are kind of the theories. And I know we went
over a shit tongue.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, I think it's the underground bunker, the.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Dumbs, the dumbs, the dumbs for sure, for sure. Now
that being said, it is definitely one h there are
places you should not go to not get hurt, to
not destroy cultural significant spots for Native Americans or ecosystems.
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One simultaneously, there are also a lot of places that
you can't go and there's no legitimate reason why.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
And it is also owned by government entities and you know,
museums and Smithsonians and yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
The Smithsonians. I don't know something they're doing something.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Well, you know, we could, like I said, we could
probably do a whole.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Episode on the Smithsonian stuff, you know. But so, I mean, honestly,
that's what I think it is. I think it's the
dumbs for sure. I think it's, you know, a massive
military underground base because it's pretty close. They could probably
link it to parts of Nevada and stuff like that
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far though. Well, but at the same time, I mean,
it doesn't take long to bore a tunnel.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I mean less Vegas is what five hours are
no longer?
Speaker 3 (45:03):
I think, Actually, I think, yeah, yeah, what's.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
It Phoenix anything any military that's like an hour or
two hours.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I'm sure there's something because you well, because you had
stuff that happened like the Phoenix lights and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
So I mean that's true.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Could there could be something out there as well. I'm
not really sure, to be honest with.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
You, but I don't know that that's all connect They
probably do.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
We probably have this vast like underground network connecting all
military bases together, and generals hop on their little like
what what is it when they suck out all the
air out of the tunnel and you can like go
super fast through.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Like, Yeah, that's that's probably what's that's probably what's happening.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Just a second highway underground.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be out of the Roman possibility.
We already have tunnels that go pretty deep underground.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Hell, we've got tunnels that go under water.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I mean, it's not anything crazy. It just take a
lot of time and money. And there's a lot of
money that goes into the government that we don't know
where it goes.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
So oh yeah, yeah every year they fail, they're on
it kind of gone.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
But well, you know, at the same time, if I'm
auditing myself, I can fail myself all the time be like.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Oh yeah, right now we lost it. I mean they
have that black like black budget or whatever.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
So what's really going on with the Grand Canyon. It's
probably one of those things we're just never going to
really fully know. It's it's not going to be. I
don't know. The thing is, if it is like an
ancient culture, I really really really wish that people would
just loosen up their get creepy grip and let us know, Like, dude,
human beings are so fucking awesome because we've been doing
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this for way longer.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah that wool, like, let us know.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah, I mean it does have to be like, oh,
everything you did was wrong, so you're a failure as
an archaeologist.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
It's like no, dude, you're a scientist.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Things are always changing, evolving, rewritten theories and explanations of
how things happened and how things work. I mean that's
part of the scientific method, you know what I mean. Yeah,
So I don't know. I'm not too hip on the
portals or the aliens or the hollow Earth or the
giants or anything like that. The military, for sure, or
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very likely an ancient civilization that that's kind of where
I'm That's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Maybe both. I mean, it could be the military just
took over the old civilizations quarters like tunnels.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, I don't know, but I don't know. I'd like
to go. I'd like to go. I'd like to see
if we can. I mean, I'd like to go just
to you know, see it.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Yeah, I don't know, you'd never been before.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Nope, sure of not.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Let's and then we could go to Sedona and look
at the war Texis.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
That's true, Listeners.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
We have like seventy trips that we need to go on, like.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Oh man, you know, and I'm gonna call it right now.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
If a handful of years from now I'm looking back
at this episode and we're able to do that, I'm
going to be so unbelievably thankful. But if not, I'm
going to be still thankful because this is fun stuff
to talk about, you know. Yeah, but that's really it
for the Grand Canyon. I mean, okay, wow, it's it's
kind of uh, there's some wishy washy, but there's also
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some weird evidence that doesn't really match up with things either.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
So yeah, what are they?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
It's like, uh, how many looks of Innervey pop the world? Yeah, anyway, listeners,
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Speaker 1 (01:21):
I am Jake, I'm Sarah. Sarah.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
You've been to the Grand Canyon before, haven't you?
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yes, I stayed over, well not overnight, but I stayed
late to watch the Milky Way.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Oh yeah, I'm sure, Like that's one of those places
I've always wanted to go. I've been like close to
the Grand Canyon like geographically speaking, but I've never actually
had the opportunity to go, and I really need to
make that trick happen.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
It's one of those like it's probably one of those
situations that I could be completely talking out of turn here,
but it makes you feel like super insignificant, small and
you know what I mean, like just staring.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
At Yeah, it doesn't look real.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah. I was going to say it was like a painting,
you know.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I don't know, man, It's it's one of those things
that I cannot imagine people seeing for the first time,
you know what I mean, Like that had to be
like almost like I guarantee you it was just one
of those like standback in awe moments, even if like
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regardless of how technologically advanced that that individual was, it
had to have just been like holy shit moment, you know, right.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Yeah, Yeah, it's crazy, and I don't want to get
too close to the edgeine expression.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well, that's actually a halfway decent segue because we're going
to talk about certain spots in the Grand Canyon you
are not allowed to go today, and maybe why we're
not allowed to go to those spots. But we're not
here to like talk about the beauty and all that.
You can look it up online, you can go and
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visit it. Okay, We're here to talk about the WU,
not so much the WU because there is some some
pretty crazy stuff. So we're gonna we're gonna go ahead and
get into it. Okay, So why are certain parts of
the Grand Canyon completely offliness of the public. Sarah, you
kind of hinted on one right, thinking about the safety aspect.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, it's not safe to go in or it's like
on the bottom in.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
No, no, not not all of it, just just certain
parts of it that that's definitely, that's definitely a fact,
Like there are definitely parts that are that are roped
off for your safety for sure. Something I didn't know.
On average, eleven people die there per year from falling.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Oh, I feel like I thought it would be more,
but well eleven, I mean how many people visit?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, I mean like it's definitely not as big as
I thought it was. But nonetheless, like you, falling off
the edge of the Grand Canyon is completely preventable in
ninety percent of cases.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
You know, I mean, like.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
It's not like you're just walking on the established trail
the next thing you know, you just fly off of
it or anything, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
But some of it's pretty steep as you're going down
for sure, for sure you could call there, I guess.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Well, yeah, but I mean I don't.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Know, people get very close.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, I don't know what all of these. I don't
know if these are all falling deaths, but apparently nine
hundred people have died since like the eighteen hundreds. Now,
like I said, I wasn't able to find like a
breakdown of like what those were because it could be
any number of things. Because if we're talking about as
far as you know, two centuries ago, it could have
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been something as simple as exposure or starvation or dehydration.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Like, there's a lot of different things that could have
happened in those nine hundred people. But with it being
so small, I almost want to say it is for
falling too.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Right, But well, it is easy to fall I guess
that's true. Just don't get too close to the engine.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Well, and then there are also like really fragile ecosystems
there that you know, that we don't want to disturb
as human beings. We do enough of that on the
planet as it is, and you know, we don't want
to fuck up anything else there, and that's one of
the reasons why they're restricted. And then there are also
some like sacred sites belonging to some indigenous cultures, such
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as like the Hopie. We don't want to go and
fuck that up, like we already have, you know, Yeah,
I mean so. But here's the thing. Some of these
off limit sites, they happen to line up perfectly with
some of the most bizarre and controversial stories that have
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ever been told about the Grand Canyon. So we're going
to kind of start at the beginning of where this
controversy kind of started. Okay, So this is from nineteen
oh nine. This is the Egyptian discovery and the Smithsonian
cover up.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Okay, at the Grand Canyon apparently. Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
So on April fifth, nineteen oh nine, the Phoenix Gazette
published a story that shook the foundations of American archaeology.
A man named ge Kincaid, working with the Smithsonian, reportedly
discovered a vast underground complex in the Grand Canyon. Inside
of that underground complex were Egyptian style artifacts, hieroglyphs, mummies,
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and supposedly, they say, a statue of Buddha. But I
want to I think that's a very general term. The
way that it was read when I read the article
was someone not of Western culture, So I don't think
it's like the typical Buddha statue. I think it was
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it was showing someone that wasn't an indigenous person of
North America or you know, people from European descent, Like
it was something outside of that culture, is what I
kind of got from it.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
This was like a cara.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Well yeah, it.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Was almost like the way they described it was like
a labyrinth like honeycomb man made structure. I yeah, I'm
trying to like picture that, but like I'm thinking a
bunch of like tunnel ways, a bunch of like awning walkways,
like like it was an established, like man made structure
for sure, is what they were saying. Now, and you know,
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typical fashion. The Sibsonian has denied the entire thing. They
claim that cocaid never worked for them. There are no records,
there's absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Oh wow.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
But here's where it gets a little weird. The area
specifically mentioned is now under government control and has completely
off limits.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, that's not suspicious at all. Like so it wasn't
after or before it wasn't. Yeah, okay, so.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
That that kind of like leaves me to believe.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Like at first, when you hear like an organization like
the Smithsonian, it's.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Like, well, yeah, it's probably just a hoax.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
It's probably something because you know, back in the day,
they used to be able to write articles, and whoever
had the craziest article is the one that got in
the paper, you know what I mean, Like right, there
was a lot of bullshit kind of being spread about.
So I don't take the article like wholeheartedly. But it's
also very weird that the same place is now off
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limits and controlled by the United States government.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, that's never a good sign.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
So but let's kind of get into a little bit
of this article because there's a lot that goes into this,
and I'm kind of just going to have like the
Cliff Snoes version, but I kind of want to give
a little bit of context to this. So this Grand
Canyon article explained that the explorer, once again G. Kincaid,
had made the initial discovery and was joined by a
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Smithsonian Science scientists named S. A.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Jordan.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I don't know why we have these like initials for
first emeralds. Yeah, but apparently that's what we're going with.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
They were there to study what was described as a
wondrous labyrinth honeycomb of man made tunnels filled with seemingly
Eastern treasures. So we're talking golden urns, sophisticated copper tools,
ancient artifacts, hieroglyphs, mummified remains statues. It was very It
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looked very almost like if Hinduism and Egyptian cultures kind
of like melded together, is what I got from the article. So,
like I said, we're not looking at like indigenous North
America people or European culture. Like it's something that is
way on the other side of the world.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
So that's crazy, you.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Now, there were supposedly these tablets that were or yeah,
tablets that were engraved with hieroglyphics, and it was like
they they called it the Mystery of the Prehistoric North
America something like that. So it was like something was
here but or something like either it originated here or
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it was migrated from those other cultures, you know what
I mean. So there's also a theory and this is
this is way way, way, way way out there. So apparently,
you know, Egypt has the Nile River, and then Arizona
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and Colorado supposedly, at some point in time in Earth's history,
like there was water ways that connected all of those.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
But I'm not like in Pangaea.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, I'm not putting too much stock into that. That
sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me, because that
is way too far back for anything like that.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
But yeah, for to wash up a.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Right, So ok, yeah, I don't put a whole lot
of stock in that. But there's a lot of people
also that think that that nineteen oh nine article was
a fabrication. Modern day skeptical writers, academics, and the Smithsonian
of course, claim that it was simply a piece of
sensational yellow journalism. It's kind of what I was talking
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about earlier.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
You know, somebody.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Creates a crazy story submitted to the paper, the craziest
story makes it in the paper, and that person gets paid.
There was a lot of incentive for people to make crazy, crazy,
crazy stories about this. So on its surface, the article
does appear to be improbable at best and at worst
a dishonest printing of you know, fan of ful tales
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conjured up for you know, profits and stuff like that.
Right now, the original author of the piece is anonymous,
which is even gives more validity to that in my opinion. Yeah,
so the Smithsonian still has publicly denied the story out right,
and they still do to this day that they deny
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any records verifying the existence of a Concaid or a
professor Jordan as well.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Okay, so, oh, why is the government guarding it exactly?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
That that's the thing.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's like, Okay, yes, that story one hundred percent could
have just been made up, and I'm I'm kind of
leaning that it probably was, just because it was an anonymous author.
At the time, those yellow journalists some articles were rampant.
But then, why are we still having these entities like
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the Smithsonian and other government agencies in control of certain
spots where supposedly these things were found allegedly.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Yeah, we gotta break in on a road trip.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Hey, I'm just saying on probably the King of podcasts
has talked about this before, and there might be a
possibility he's going there. I'm not going to name any names,
but I'm sure everybody knows who I'm talking about. So
I think we'll let a first, a few people do
that first, Sarah, how about that so we don't just disappear.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yeah, yeah, we'll go once it's safe, once other people disappear.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, here's another weird thing. These there are landmarks in
some of these areas. Okay, now this is an undisputed fact. Okay,
these you can look these up on a map and
you can still see them.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
There's a large group of like out shutting of like
spurs and ridges and stuff like that, different high points
and summits that are in like the Haunted Canyon in
the Trinity Creek area. So very contrasting names for that.
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Get get this. These are some of the formation's names.
Osiris Isis, Shiva, Horus, the Tower of Set, and the
Pyramid of Ra.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Okay, all of them. But Shiva is not really Egyptian, but.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Okay, but it's it's still that like Eastern yeah, kind
of melding culture.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
It's Hindu or Egyptian.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Yeah, right, So why are they named that.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
You know what, maybe that's very that that is a possibility,
and I I was thinking that. But it's also worth
noting that who was ever responsible for naming these landmarks.
It's really hard to find out who did that, So
it must have occurred prior to the printing of nineteen
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oh nine, and it was most likely a gentleman named
General John Wesley Powell, who led the first government funded
passage through the Grand Canyon during eighteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Oh wow, it's a long time ago.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Right, So that's the other thing. It's like, why are
we naming these landmarks off of this culture that.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Is around the world.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, as he's well, And like I said, it's not
confirmed that that's who did that, but it's most likely
that team of people that named that stuff.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
So did they see something when they were out and
about you know what? I mean? I don't know. So uh.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Pow was also the first director of the Smithsonian's Bureau
of Ethnology, Right, I think that's how you say that,
ethan out I think. So, I don't know, I don't
he works He worked for the Yeah, yeah, he worked
for the Smithsonian. Forgive my ignorance of not knowing what
words mean. But yeah, he worked for the Smithsonian, okay,
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and he was a founding member of the Geographic Society
and a member of the Cosmos Club.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Club that was could through I mean like Cosmos Club
and the what was the one.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Uh, the Geographic That's probably not cool.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, that's probably just a people that like to look
at maps and you know, admire the nature's beauty of
water erosion. I don't know, but apparently Pal's expedition experienced
as a series of disasters and resulted in many of
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his notes being lost.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Of course he lost all his notes, no pictures. That's
the olden day version of no.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Pictures, no evidence, right, wow.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
So and not all, but but a lot of his
stuff was was lost due to all I could find
were a series of disasters. I don't know what that means.
Like I said, it's really like it's really hard to
figure out, like what what that even, Like it's hard
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to find out who he like, it's not hard to
find out who he was, but that part of his
life is like impossible to find anything about.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
I think blacklisted.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
But back in the day, all they had to have
was a series of disasters. The next thing you know,
is all his notes are gone?
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Oh I have a tornado? Like what what now?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Don't get me wrong, I could not imagine in eighteen
sixty nine trudging through the desert and trying to explore
that kind of country, you know what I mean that,
I don't even I wouldn't even want to do that
now with like modern technology and be out there for
you know, months at a time. That would suck. Yeah, right,
(18:30):
So I don't know, I get it, but it is.
It is very curious that none of most of his
notes are not found, and it's pretty reasonable to conclude
once again that he probably had a hand in naming
most of these landmarks. So that kind of makes it
another you know, weird coincidence of the different cultural naming
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of these things.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Yeah, and he works for them like that, Yeah, probably
Just I mean, what do you think is in the
Smithsonian that they don't release to the public, Like, probably a.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Lot, a lot. I'm sure there is a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Well, yeah, I mean, we could probably do a whole
episode on the shady dealings of the Smithsonian as far
as you know, what they keep, what supposedly allegedly they found,
and you know what's not available for public access and
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
So that's that would get us canceled. That's the one.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Next thing, you know, we are actually getting knocks on
the door from people in suits, but it's a Smithsonian shutting.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Us down right. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, Well we're going to get into a few of
the theories as too far as what could be out
and about there. Now, this first one, it really really
really kind of speaks to me because I subscribed that
I think human beings are a lot older than what
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we are told. There was an ancient civilization in that
area of the country that inhabited the Grand Canyon mm hm,
and just let that stuff well, I mean, it could
have been any number of things. It could have been
you know, food ran out, there were you know, diseases,
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stuff like that. There could have been any number of
things that just wipes out a civilization, especially if we're
talking tens of thousands of years ago.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
And I like what they say here because it doesn't
say anything about like an advanced civilization. It just says
an ancient civilization, you know what I mean. I don't
think that there were like I believe there was a
level of sophistication for most of these ancient societies that
we sure as shit don't know how to do just
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because we don't have to.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, well, yeah, you definitely lose technology through things.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Yeah, but theorists of believe that the Grand Canyon was
once home to an ancient civilization and perhaps apps older
than Egypt.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Itself, maybe they started Egypt.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Well, and once again, it it lends, it lends some
credence to the names of those landmarks, you know, like
the Isis Temple, the Tower of Raw that sort of stuff.
Like it feels like it wouldn't be random for like
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we wouldn't just be like, oh yeah this, this looks
like this, We're going to call something from what we know.
Like if we're going to name something for the first time,
it's going to make something. It's either going to describe
what it is or it's going to be something based
off of what we already know. Yeah, so I don't
think these are random. They they really echo like the Egyptian,
(21:48):
the Hinduism, the Tibetan, like those Eastern influences quite a lot, right,
And it's possible explores from you know, this ancient world,
you know, reached America long before Columbus did I mean, yeah,
it's it's very likely actually, because anywhere that European explorers
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went usually there was some sort of indigenous people, right,
So it just because we could read write and we had,
you know, an understanding of time and written history, that
doesn't mean that there weren't people at these other places.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, right before that.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, so it's one of those weird things. If it
was like lost of time, it was it a famine?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Was it disease? Was it? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And a few of these supposedly well I guess, alleged
temples that were found in that area, they were supposedly
named after some of those gods. So take that for
what it is. I mean, I don't know that. That's
one that I really kind of lean into, just because
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it makes sense that there would be a civilization there,
and if they were as advanced, if not more than
the Egyptians, there's no reason why they couldn't have lived
in that sort of environment, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Yeah, that's true, But then why is the government not
allowing people to go over there, like they just don't
want us to know it's older?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Well, yeah, it's kind of it's kind of weird. I'm
trying to think of the gentleman's name archaeologist. He had
that Netflix series of the Ancient Apocalypse.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Oh yeah, what.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Is his name?
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Anyway, he was violently attacked for just suggesting a different
type of history. So, and that was from like the
Old Guard I guess if you, I guess it's in
every sort of profession archaeology. I mean it was like, no,
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this is not what we teach. It's very staunch, and
it's very like by the book, and this is what
we're going to do, and if you disagree with this,
we're going to attack you for it. So it wouldn't
surprise me if there was ancient civilizations that you know, well,
this isn't in the books, and we're not rewriting this,
because that means everything we've said is wrong.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Right, They're no longer the experts.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Then, right.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
I think I think it's kind of gatekeeping in that community,
you know what I mean, like, hey, this is what
you study, this is what you do, and if you
find anything different, you don't talk about it.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
So, and I could be speaking completely out of turn
because I don't know, I don't know any archaeologists.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
So I could be very wrong.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
So if any are listening, I apologize for grossly generalizing
against you.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
So but let's get into the fun ones.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Okay, Yeah, aliens, that.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Is no shit, alien bases, portals in the UFO connection.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Oh so this is one of those really out there
WU ones.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
So the Grand Canyon is essentially remote, massive, and quite
perfect for secrets. Some USO researchers have believed parts of
the Grand Canyon conceal underground alien bases or interdimensional or
dimensional portals. Strange lights have been spotted, rumbling sounds of
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no known origin, and there's like a heavily patrolled zones
like miles from any portrayal, like you can see like
there's always like the funny thing about like oh the
black helicopters are going to come get you, but no shit,
there are black helicopters that patrol some of these areas,
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and there are armed security that patrol some of these areas.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So insane off of trails, like how are you even
going to get over there?
Speaker 3 (26:07):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
But I'm trying to think because like I've even heard
like when I kind of dug into this portion of
it because I was like, well, who would be stupid
enough to try to like climb down from the top,
like just go through the river system, you know what
I mean? That area is patrolled as well. There are
armed guards that will patrol certain swaths of this area
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that you will be taken out at best from that area,
at worst arrested.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Wow, So I didn't see those people. I gotta go back.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Well, you didn't go to the cool spots, Sarah, you
went to the lame touristy ones.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah. I even missed the horseshoe bends apparently done there.
I didn't even see that. But it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
It would kind of be.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
It would kind to be like par for the course though,
because like, if you want to hide something, what's the
best place to hide it? In plain sight where hundreds
of thousands of people every year come to visit, and
you kind of section off these parts and say it's
for your safety. Like, no one's gonna no one's gonna
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question that. No one's gonna be like, oh, well, what
are you hiding over there? They're gonna be like, oh shit, No,
I don't want to fall down this fucking canyon.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
It's so big too, Like you see enough of it
that you wouldn't think like, oh I want to go
over there though, to see or whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Well that's the other thing too, like it's more of
like like you said, it's more of like a sight
seeing thing. And don't get me wrong, I'm sure there
are really awesome spots like you kind of named up,
like the Horseshoe Bend and stuff like, like there's key
spots that you want to see when you go there,
but essentially most places are pretty much the same as
far as what you're looking at.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
You're coming in and out. Can't you hear me?
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I can hear it.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
You're frozen though, Oh I'm frozen. You were be an
all robody.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Okay, okay, I don't know, Okay, okay, yeah we're good.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Okay, So I'll start from where I was.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
I think when I stopped was like like seeing spots,
like specific spots. Yeah did you hear that part?
Speaker 1 (28:43):
I just said, like it's so big, you don't want
to you don't need to see all the other spots.
And then whatever you said after that, I didn't hear anything.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
So okay, Yeah, there we go. I gotta I got
a good got a good segue. Magic of editing will
help us here. Okay, So, like you just said, there's
a lot of like key spots that you want to
see as a tourist, right, you want to see like
that horseshoe bend.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
You want to see.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
They're specific spots and you're not gonna be upset if
you see those handful of spots. And like you said,
most people aren't gonna think, Man, I really bet it's
gonna look that much cooler three hundred yards down that way,
you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Like, yeah, so especially walking, like if you got to
walk all the way down and walk over there and
then walk back to your car, and why I'm not
doing that.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
One can simply not be bothered to do all that.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, that's too much, but it.
Speaker 3 (29:46):
Would make sense.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Like I said, you're hiding in playing sight and there
are definitely patrols that happen out that way.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
This is my this is one of my favorite ones.
So we talked about the Hollow Moon. But supposedly this
is an entrance to the Hollow Earth.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Okay, oh we should talk about that too.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
We should we need to do an episode.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I mean, it is a giant gash, so I guess
it's closer to the inside.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Yeah, maybe it very well could be, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
And out of all the places where people say that's
the entrance to the hollow Earth, like, this would make sense.
If the Earth is hollow, this would make the most sense.
This would be a very good entrance instead of having
to fly all the way to what fucking Antarctica or
whatever the hell.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
They say, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
So, like you said that this is a natural gash
in the Earth, there's probably plenty of cave systems that
could definitely lead you into that part of our supposed
alleged world that we live in now. The hollow Earth
suggests that there is an entire world beneath ours listeners,
if you don't know, with a complete civilization, its own
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light source, other species, like you're pretty much looking at
like Earth two point zero, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
It's just like a fairy world, like all the fairy
what legends. I guess it's their world or.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Or are reptilian overlords live down there? Yeah, and they're
really the ones in control. Because I think that's part
of hollow Earth. I could be wrong. I don't buy it,
I think, so, I don't know. I could be just
talking on my ass, which I do quite often.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
I mean, everyone's a reptile, right.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
So supposably allegedly, right, So, but there are caves that
do go miles underground, and there are sudden gusts of
warm air that come from some of these caves. There
are echoes that seem unnatural. I mean, it could be
a sign of some vast tunnels that go into a
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completely other world. For me, more than likely, it's probably
just somebody's imagination in that case. Like, have you ever
been splonking and caves and stuff like.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
That, Not really, well a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Yeah, it's not a good feeling. Yeah, you're not in
a normal.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Environment that you're used to, and you're you're tight and
you're cramped, and there's water everywhere, and noise doesn't seem
to travel the same.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Like, it's a very odd thing to be in.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
So yeah, if you spend a little bit too much time,
or maybe you've been in the sun too long, I
could see where you could be like, oh, reptiles are
under there, man, I just heard them.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
They just spoke to me.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah right, Well, yeah, maybe you should just go to
a hospital.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
That'd probably be the best. Drink some water, take a knee,
you know, eat some food.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, be all right, But you can't explore the caves there, right,
I don't there now, maybe some of it.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I was gonna say, I'm sure there are some spelunking
tours that are available at the Grand Canyon, because I'm
sure that would be a very good hot ticket item
for people that want to kind of get that thrill
of it, all of them, though I highly doubt it, right, Yeah,
So I don't know off the top of my head,
I didn't look up how many you know.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Cave tours there would be.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
I'm sure there are a handful, but I don't think
you'd be able to explore all of them by any means.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
No, And they just show you the set things you see, right,
Blizzard people.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Right right, you're going on a very curated tour of
what you're about to say. So this one kind of
harps back to kind of what we talked about earlier,
but also from a previous episode. Apparently there are giant
skeletons or mummies and quote unquote forbidden archaeology.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
What is happening like that? It's gonna set up a
trap like forbidden archaeology.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
So there's another there's another suppressed story about giants. Throughout
the nineteenth and twentieth century, there were reports of giants,
giant skeletons found all over the place, to include the
Grand Canyon. Okay, most of these were kind of hoaxes,
but some of them were kind of compelling. There was
a few pictures going around where it was like the
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skull was like as big as a person, Like okay,
you know what I mean. But what is interesting A
lot of these stories included skeletons that were over eight
feet tall, they had two rows of teeth and oddly
shaped skulls. So if you remember back from our giants Afghanistan, yeah,
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giants supposedly had to rows of teeth. So I was
kind of kind of cool to see that correlation between
the two. And that could very well be like what
do you think of when you've se an alien a
gray you know what I mean? Just because it's in
pop culture, and that that very well could have been
like a symptom.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Of that as to why a lot of people heard like.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Oh, well, these things have double rows of teeth, So
that's what we're gonna say, you know what I mean,
But supposedly these reports vanished, the bones disappeared, and Smithsonian's
museums all that stuff, they deny absolutely everything.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Right, Wow, of course they do. They probably have the bones.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Probably they probably do a jaw bone with two sets
of fucking teeth, two rows of teeth, you know what
I mean. But no, that's what that's what I was
getting at with like the forbidden archaeology, you know what
I mean. It's it's the stuff that they have, but
they don't want us to know.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
So yeah, because it rewrites history and stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Well, this kind of harps back to the alien thing,
and this one is kind of believable. Military zones and
black sites are pretty much a site that is off
the grid, off of public record like that, Like, yeah,
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you know what I mean. So it's kind of funny
because a lot of people when they hear stories like this,
they want to assume that it's like, oh, yeah, ancient
cultures or ancient aliens or blah blah blah blah blah,
or it could just be the modern fucking government right now, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Yeah, that they're doing some tests there.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Certain parts of the Grand Canyon do lie near restricted
military zones. So some speculate that deep underground military bases
acronym dums nice exists beneath the Grand Canyon, once again
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hiding in plain sight.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
It would be too easy to.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Have an extensive military presence underground in a place where
people seemingly visit all the time. The thing is, like,
I'm not going to go into too much detail, but
when I was in the military, there were certain parts
of certain bases that I would go to and guess
what they had underground? Fucking tunnels and bunkers from.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
The Cold War.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
So if they had them from the Cold War, you
can't imagine that they are still alive and well today
and doing lots of the same thing that they're doing now. Yeah,
So I mean it would would.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
I think that's pretty believable. Yeah, it's not hollower if
it's because because of the military has hollowed out bunkers.
Speaker 2 (38:03):
Well, and you always hear you always hear stories about,
you know, weird sounds that don't emanate from anywhere. You
always hear lights that happened to come out of nowhere
like stuff like that. Like that would all kind of
check the Bill, you have a secret underground tunnel that
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is moving machinery, men, equipment, whatever it may be, and
you're eighty feet above it and you can feel it, right,
but you can't you can't distinguish what it would be.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Yeah, so I feel like that is really believable.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
But once again, you know, it's a perfect location. It's remote,
it's protected, it's inaccessible to most of those restricted areas.
Like you said, you're gonna have to walk down this
shit and scale down some of these walls and cliffs,
Like you're not getting down there, you know, and if
you do, you have armed patrol that are gonna sweep
your ass up and you're gonna go to jail or
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you're gonna get kicked out whatever. So there's one thing
that I kind of wanted to hit on too. There
are like disappearances that happen and people just happened to
vanish in the Grand Canyon every single year. How many
I didn't get an exact number from it because it
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was one of those like roundabout figures. But sometimes they're found,
sometimes they're not. These disappearances could be linked to some
of these forbidden zones, you know what I mean where
maybe they resisted and these people shot them on site
because they're in a military zone.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Or you know, I hate, oh the list of people
fucking got them.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
They're down there, you know all you know, scaly fied
now and getting turned into the the next reptilian.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
They're using them as a skin suit.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
There you go, that way you can walk around amongst us.
But but no, I I like the disappearances is like
if it's in a restricted military area like it's.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
We've seen enough documentation.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
With like sites like Area fifty one and stuff right
where if you cross that line, they are they are
allowed to use lethal force, right.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah, so they probably did just shoot them and cover
it up or whatever.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Very well could have And I mean once again, if
they have an underground base, there's not going to be
hard to hide the body. Yeah, and no one's going
to know what happened. They're going to say, well, they
went into this part of the gorge and they were
never seen again.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
And it's nature, I mean, well miss all the time.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, and it very well could have been where you know,
maybe there was a flash flood and they got swept away.
You're not going to find that body, you know what
I mean, so, I don't know, but there is a
there is another little interesting theory, and this one very
well could be somewhat true about Native American knowledge and
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like sacred rituals that happened there. So Indigenous tribes hold
the Grand Canyon as a place of great spiritual power.
There'll be people speak of the emergence from the underground
like that's where they came from.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
Like yeah, yeah, so it's right.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
And I always think it's funny when people chalk up
like this ancient storytelling to like myth or legend or
something like that. It's like, yeah, it is a game
of telephone to a certain extent, but there has to
be like there's something that actually happened to spawn those stories,
Like it wasn't just a hey, I feel like making
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up a story today, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Like especially for their origin, right, some.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
Event had to have happened for them to start like
having that spoken history of their culture.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
So I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
It's really weird out in the desert, man, when you
when you're out there, especially with the Native tribes that
live out that way, like they hold such high regard
for like these not buildings are structured, but these these
natural places.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
That cut out again, Yeah, a little bit, but I understood.
I don't know what's happening, but.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
The fucking Grand canyons fucking happening, that's what they're They're
trying to down. Fucking Smithsonians got of our fucking ip
address and is just going to town now.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
They don't want to say, right, but I don't know.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah, it's usually not problems.
Speaker 2 (43:01):
Only when we're on the edge of getting to something, Sarah,
when it's a problem. Yeah, But but no, I do.
I do appreciate the the people that really put a
lot of stock in those like sacred sites when it
comes to Native Americans, just because they they obviously had
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so much respect for that area for for whatever reason.
It may be, right, Yeah, I don't know. So those
are kind of the theories. And I know we went
over a shit tongue.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, I think it's the underground bunker, the.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Dumbs, the dumbs, the dumbs for sure, for sure. Now
that being said, it is definitely one h there are
places you should not go to not get hurt, to
not destroy cultural significant spots for Native Americans or ecosystems.
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One simultaneously, there are also a lot of places that
you can't go and there's no legitimate reason why.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
And it is also owned by government entities and you know,
museums and Smithsonians and yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
The Smithsonians. I don't know something they're doing something.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Well, you know, we could, like I said, we could
probably do a whole.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Episode on the Smithsonian stuff, you know. But so, I mean, honestly,
that's what I think it is. I think it's the
dumbs for sure. I think it's, you know, a massive
military underground base because it's pretty close. They could probably
link it to parts of Nevada and stuff like that
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far though. Well, but at the same time, I mean,
it doesn't take long to bore a tunnel.
Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, I mean less Vegas is what five hours are
no longer?
Speaker 3 (45:03):
I think, Actually, I think, yeah, yeah, what's.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
It Phoenix anything any military that's like an hour or
two hours.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
I'm sure there's something because you well, because you had
stuff that happened like the Phoenix lights and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (45:19):
So I mean that's true.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Could there could be something out there as well. I'm
not really sure, to be honest with.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
You, but I don't know that that's all connect They
probably do.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
We probably have this vast like underground network connecting all
military bases together, and generals hop on their little like
what what is it when they suck out all the
air out of the tunnel and you can like go
super fast through.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Like, Yeah, that's that's probably what's that's probably what's happening.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Just a second highway underground.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, I mean, it wouldn't be out of the Roman possibility.
We already have tunnels that go pretty deep underground.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
Hell, we've got tunnels that go under water.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I mean, it's not anything crazy. It just take a
lot of time and money. And there's a lot of
money that goes into the government that we don't know
where it goes.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
So oh yeah, yeah every year they fail, they're on
it kind of gone.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
But well, you know, at the same time, if I'm
auditing myself, I can fail myself all the time be like.
Speaker 1 (46:21):
Oh yeah, right now we lost it. I mean they
have that black like black budget or whatever.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
So what's really going on with the Grand Canyon. It's
probably one of those things we're just never going to
really fully know. It's it's not going to be. I
don't know. The thing is, if it is like an
ancient culture, I really really really wish that people would
just loosen up their get creepy grip and let us know, Like, dude,
human beings are so fucking awesome because we've been doing
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this for way longer.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yeah that wool, like, let us know.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
Yeah, I mean it does have to be like, oh,
everything you did was wrong, so you're a failure as
an archaeologist.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
It's like no, dude, you're a scientist.
Speaker 2 (47:07):
Things are always changing, evolving, rewritten theories and explanations of
how things happened and how things work. I mean that's
part of the scientific method, you know what I mean. Yeah,
So I don't know. I'm not too hip on the
portals or the aliens or the hollow Earth or the
giants or anything like that. The military, for sure, or
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very likely an ancient civilization that that's kind of where
I'm That's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Maybe both. I mean, it could be the military just
took over the old civilizations quarters like tunnels.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, I don't know, but I don't know. I'd like
to go. I'd like to go. I'd like to see
if we can. I mean, I'd like to go just
to you know, see it.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Yeah, I don't know, you'd never been before.
Speaker 3 (47:55):
Nope, sure of not.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
Let's and then we could go to Sedona and look
at the war Texis.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
That's true, Listeners.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
We have like seventy trips that we need to go on, like.
Speaker 3 (48:10):
Oh man, you know, and I'm gonna call it right now.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
If a handful of years from now I'm looking back
at this episode and we're able to do that, I'm
going to be so unbelievably thankful. But if not, I'm
going to be still thankful because this is fun stuff
to talk about, you know. Yeah, but that's really it
for the Grand Canyon. I mean, okay, wow, it's it's
kind of uh, there's some wishy washy, but there's also
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some weird evidence that doesn't really match up with things either.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
So yeah, what are they?
Speaker 2 (48:47):
It's like, uh, how many looks of Innervey pop the world? Yeah, anyway, listeners,
that's going to wrap up today's episode on the Grand
Canyon and why you cannot go there. What are your thoughts,
what are your opinions? Let us know, and whatever piece
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Speaker 1 (49:23):
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