September 1, 2025 • 48 mins
Oumuamua, 2i/Borisov, and 3i/Atlas: three strange objects from deep space that have slipped through our solar system, leaving more questions than answers. Were they just interstellar rocks, or could they be something far more mysterious? From bizarre trajectories to theories of alien probes and cosmic omens, this episode dives into what we know, what we don’t, and why these visitors continue to fuel both science and paranoia.
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Speaker 3 (01:17):
Welcome back to The Paranoid Perspective.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I am j I'm Sarah.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Today we're gonna talk about something that has never happened
in all of recorded human history to interstellar flybys. Well,
I mean you gotta think, how often have we well,
I mean really, how long have we had anything resembling
modern astronomy?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah? True, like recorded?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So, I mean seeing like like even Galileo when he
built telescopes and stuff, it was like seeing fuzzy images,
you know, it wasn't like super clear. So I don't know,
I don't think. I feel like some of this stuff
is pretty hyped. But listeners, we're going to talk about
a muamua and our newest little interstellar friend three I
(02:10):
Atlas today and what they could possibly be and what
they most likely are or what they.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Allegedly could be.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So yeah, you've heard about all these though, right.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, I didn't know the other one was
called that, and it's kind of a stupid name.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, most things for astronomy are stupid names, because it's
like there's so much ship out there they can't name it,
Like you'd run out of names real quick. Is nice, though,
they're scientists, Okay, they don't got time to be creative
with names. Okay, they're trying to do groundbreaking studies and
(02:51):
research and discoveries and all this.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You know that's true.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Ask chat GBT to name it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Hey, that's not a bad idea, you know what I mean,
because I'm sure it would come up. Well, so I
don't know how would it do that because it's going
to go across all of the Internet searches for stuff,
and I don't know that'd be weird.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Just randomly push sounds together.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, this is how you enunciate this made up ward.
Oh well, let's talk about We're going to kind of
go in order of when these were seen. Okay, and
this is as recent as twenty seventeen, astronomers detected something unusual,
unlike anything they'd ever seen before. It wasn't a comment,
(03:37):
and it wasn't an asteroid, and it was definitely not
from our solar system. First and foremost. That's fucking terrifying.
First time you ever see that. It's just like, we
don't know what the fuck this thing is and it's
not bound by the sun. Holy shit, here it comes
to aliens, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Right? Yeah, I mean a lot of people thought that
when they first heard it, didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
They one and people still do think that. Sure, So
it came in.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Really really fast. It made a very close pass by
the Sun and then it was gone. It was like
in and out of our solar system super quick. And listeners,
I'm talking about a muamua, the very long cigar shaped
weird h Professor Avi Lobe from Harvard claimed it was
aliens because it was moving too slow. We'll get into
(04:23):
it too, but he also claims Atlas three eyes aliens
because it's moving.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Too fast, but the right.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But speaking of three eye outlasts, it was just two
years later it happened again. Another interstellar stellar traveler entered
our solar system. This one looks a lot more familiar,
though this is definitely more than likely a comment. It's
getting closer, so it's starting to kind of shed some
of that like icy material and kind of form a tail.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
But it is definitely not from our solar system, so
I know. Right.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
But like we kind of talked about in the beginning,
all of human history, we've never seen a confirmed interstellar object,
and now all of a sudden, we've seen two in
what two years.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
But the craziest part is it's actually three.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh there's another one that is not well known, called
very good name Sarah two. I the ors key I
think I can't for it's I I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's why this one's three, I.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Guess, so I don't know how they do the names,
you know what I mean. So this one was actually
in between those two discoveries. So there's actually been three
interstellar objects that have been seen entering and leaving our
solar system. Except so, I know, right, it's kind of wild,
(05:59):
but the three Eye Atlas is still entering our solar system.
It won't actually pass by Mars, and I think it'll
go kind of like behind the Sun, so we can't
really observe it. I want to say sometime in like November,
so it's we still got like about another four ish
(06:19):
five ish months before it's like starting to leave our
solar system. But anyway, I figured this would be a
good way to kind of do this. We're going to
kind of do a little bit more structured today, so
I wanted to break this up into like factual record,
what we actually know, timelines, observations. Then we can go
(06:40):
with what we actually know about these objects, and then
we'll get to the fun stuff kind.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Of at the end, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
So let's start with like the no shit factual record.
So well, you're gonna start with the Muama October nineteenth,
twenty seventeen. It was detected by the Pan stars on
telescope in Hawaii, which was it's designed to actually spot
near Earth objects in case of like, oh shit, we've
(07:09):
got asteroid that's gonna come and kill us, you know
what I mean, not that we'd be able to do
anything about it, but just to give us a rocket
out and yeah, well we'll call it uh yeah, well
we'll just nuke it and split it in half and
it'll just go around the Earth of course, but it
(07:31):
was the first time we'd ever seen an orbit like this.
It was on a hyperbolic trajectory, which means it wasn't
bound to our star. It was just going to pass
right through and really really really fucking close to the Sun,
like it pretty much is gonna go into the orbit
and slingshot out once it gets close to that of
(07:51):
the Sun and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
So it was really really weird.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So we pretty much got a fly by of it
and we're never going to see it again.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
That is just gonna be go.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah it essentially, yes, the Sun just fucking needed this
bitch out of our solar system.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
That's how it came in probably.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well, so I was listening to it. I was interested
listening to an interesting podcast earlier this week, and it
makes a lot of sense, Like, you know, the universe
is so old, and if you have fragments of space debris,
the older the space debris, the faster it's probably moving
because it's probably interacted with a bunch of stars and
(08:31):
had that slingshot happen. So it's not uncommon if you
see something that could possibly be very very very old
that it's moving ridiculously fast.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeahs like a pinball.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Right right, yeah, just but every time the pinball gets
close to something with some mass, it just picks up
a shit ton more speed, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So ye, oh, my gosh.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
But it's estimated to be in length anywhere from one
hundred to eight hundred meters, so pretty fucking big. And
it was really odd shaped. It was shaped like a
cylinder or a cigar shape, or it was based off
the measurements they could get it, which is really hard
to do because it was moving so fast and it
(09:15):
was not.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
A very big.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It proposed it was about ten times longer than it
was wide. So we're talking just this long, thin material,
and it could possibly have even been very flat or
almost like a pancake shape instead of like a cylinder
cigar shape, just by the way it was going now.
It also had a reddish color, which suggests that it
(09:41):
had been bombarded by a shit ton of cosmic rays
for a very long time. So once again, it's a
very old rock pretty much.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So its behavior.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Its closest approach to the Sun was about point two
five AU astronomical unit that's inside the orbit of Mercury.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oh really, it almost like plowed into it.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Well, no, like it's closer than Mercury, is it came
by closer so Mercury to for people that might not
know AU, to include myself, I don't know how far
an astronomical unit is because I'm kind of stupid. Mercury's
orbit is roughly about thirty two million miles or thirty
four million miles from the Sun. Amuamua passed the Sun
(10:31):
at twenty three million miles, so it's about ten million
miles closer or eleven million miles closer, so pretty damn
close to the Sun and cosmic terms, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Right, yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Wow, And at its peak it was estimated that it
was moving at one thousand and nine or one hundred
and ninety six thousand miles per hour.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Oh my god, So.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Once again that doesn't that doesn't make sense, you know
what I mean, Like it's like, what is that? That's
just fucking haul and ass if.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
The like.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Too much to imagine for sure.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well that's what I'm saying, Like, like you can think
of like what it feels like to go one hundred
miles an hour, like most people in vehicles, you can
reach a car to get one hundred miles an hour,
but then ten twenty times that, like, no, we don't
understand how we would keep it, you know. So anyway,
(11:32):
but the weird part about a muah mua is when
it left the sun, it very slightly accelerated beyond what
the gravity could explain of its sling shotting, So it
like accelerated more off of what it should have. So
(11:54):
kind of weird on that part. Some other weird stuff
about it is it didn't have like that typical comet trail,
no dust, no visible outgassing, just a super clean, sleek
piece of material. So a lot of people that's why
it's like so foreign to us. They weren't sure, Like, dude,
this is definitely alien tech for sure, so.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Odd things at.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
The Yeah, I didn't know. It's like accelerated more than
the Sun would have allowed.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Right, well, what or what would be expected?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And I mean there's obviously there's obviously variables that I'm
sure we don't know that could possibly do that.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
But I don't know. That is definitely a weird part
of it.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And that was one of that a v lobe that
Harvard professor's guy like one of his like, oh yeah, see,
it's definitely a piece of alien technology, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So yeah, yeah, I got energy from the Sun and
then it could zoom zoom.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I mean, hey, it very well could be because I mean,
in all honesty, if there are like aliens that travel interstellarly,
we would not understand how that works. So I mean
it would make Yeah, it wouldn't be out of the
realm possibility for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So let's move on to some factual information about the
three eye outlists, the one that is coming in as
we speak. So this was found in December of twenty nineteen.
It was found by the Asteroid Terrestrial Impact Last Alert
System or ATLAS. That's where we get the three eye
atlasts from all these This is also in Hawaii as well,
(13:38):
so the three eye means it's the third confirmed interstellar
object after a mua and that two eye yours. Yeah,
so that's that's why that's named like that very scientifically,
you know, yeah, categorizing.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I mean, why happened to a muamua? Who named that?
I guess people in Hawaii first?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, because I I believe a muama It was loosely
translated to like scout or messenger, I think, is what.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
A muama was, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Kind of they were kind of on the alien train
when they were naming that as well, I think, you
know what I mean, so right, But unlike a muhama,
this looks like a comet like now, like they released
a photo of it from Hubble about five days ago.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I think.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Actually, let me pull it up just so we can
see it. Listeners, if you want to check out and
see what this thing looks like, you can definitely google it,
or you could.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Check us out on our YouTube channel and see it
right now.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
So anyway, but yeah, let's uh, let me see what
I can get. See You're not the only one Sarah,
that has a problem showing your screen boom. So this
is the picture that it was taken about five days ago.
So this this part in the middle right here is
all the gas and whatnot that is shooting off and
you can kind of start to see a tail forming
(15:08):
off of that. So that's kind of what they're talking
about as far as that goes. So whenever, hang on,
get this out of here. Why can't you go away now, listeners?
This is what happens when you share your screen.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So I keep on a separate screen.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I know, right, I should probably do the same.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well, see, Sarah, I'm I'm running you know, one screen
right now, So I just got to deal with what
I got.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, you need it at least two, maybe.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Three would be good, you know what, Sarah.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
For this, I'm probably just going to go start buying
as many screens as possible, and just then I'll.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Have the problem of being all, like, well, ship, where
did I put this? Tab? Where I put this? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I think three is good. I use three at work.
Yeah that's very good.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, well I might have to I might have to
start investment in some monitors for sure, then. But but no,
this is definitely looking like a comet. It's it also
looks like it's like pieces are starting to break apart,
which is normal comet behavior as it gets closer to
a star, just because it's starting.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
To heat up.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
It's not really held together, like it's not like a
traditional asteroid where it's like rocky body, you know, It's
it's very loosely compacted. So it kind of makes sense.
It's it's showing all the signs of you know, a
typical comment. But for both of these, the timing is
very odd, and that's one of the things that is
(16:41):
kind of blowing people away. We're talking a two year
difference between when these were confirmed, right, yeah, you know,
and or actually a two year difference from three objects
confirmed like that.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
That's pretty I understand.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The possibilities are always out there, but the likelihood of
it happening like back to back almost is pretty rare.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, especially if they're different types of objects, Like it's
probably not the same material that just broke apart.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Right for whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, right, But astronomers say, we just have improved detection.
That's what explains it. We are always innovative, we're always
doing better, you know, at some point to like this
cluster of like denser material that we're like currently going through,
and like our orbit of the galaxy is explaining this
(17:34):
amount of things that are happening. So I don't know,
it's it's kind of weird, but at the same time,
it's like space.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Is big, man. Yeah, shit is always coming through, you know, so.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, and we can detect it better now, so.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, yeah, and this is there was no point prior
in human history where we could detect it. So they've
probably had other objects that have come through, we just
haven't been able to actually see them or even wish
we could see them.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
So right, so.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Let's go onto some actual facts and then we'll kind
of get into the fun stuff. So AMUMU is acceleration mystery.
It's measured from multiple different observations and it's all confirmed
that this thing definitely accelerated more than it should have
coming out of the Sun.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
So that is a definite fact.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
There is something some process happened where that thing gained
more momentum than it definitely should have.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Now, out gassing from a comet could definitely cause that,
like materials being pushed away, but there was no evidence
of dust or gas on that thing, So that kind
of puts that.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Out right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, radiation pressure from sunlight could do it if the
object was extreme thin. So are you familiar with what
would it be called, like a light sale they proposed
us for certain space travel.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Oh yeah, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
So pretty much like we're using the Sun's photons to
push this thing forward. So it definitely is something that
can happen, but it have to be like super thin
for it to do that. And if it's at the
biggest eight hundred meters long, that means it's at least
eighty meters wide, Like.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
That's not thin, you know what I mean. So yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So it was definitely like we talked about, the shape
is pretty much confirmed on all sources. But if it
was a pancake shape, it definitely would fit the light
sale profile better. They might be off on the actual
thickness of it, but either one, it suggests it's a
fragment from a larger like breakup of something like And
(20:01):
I was watching an interesting documentary on it over the
weekend and they simulated like asteroid impacts on like planetary
bodies and stuff, and there is possible like strikes that
could happen to where you'd have these like super long,
thin fragments that get broken off of the planet. So
(20:21):
it's not like out of the realm of possibility that, right,
a planet you know, hundreds of thousands of light years away,
you know, hundreds of thousands of years ago, got hit
by an asteroid and it just broke off some stuff
and sent it our way and we're just happened to
see it now. So that's probably more than likely. That's
(20:42):
probably what it is, but we don't like to think
about them more than likely here.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Right, Yeah, give us the aliens.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, well, and there is some weird stuff and we'll
kind of get into that here in just a little bit.
But there is some weird stuff that people have proposed
for it too. But then to finish up this, you know,
actual information that we know for sure. Three outlys definitely
most likely a comment there's no acceleration mystery. Yes, it's
(21:10):
moving very fast, but it's probably also very old, like
we talked about before, And they have done like a
decent amount of chemical analysis to show the gas ratios
or pointing to something like very cold where it came from.
So that explains all the gas it's escaping as it's
getting closer.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
To our Sun.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
We have a problem with the probability. That's what a
lot of people have a problem with. Here, there's three
intertellar visitors in under three years. It's statistically weird. It
shouldn't happen like that. This could mean these objects are
extremely common, which I would really probably believe that, and
we just couldn't connect or you know, detect them before,
(21:53):
or our system has recently entered a space where they
are very abundant, very dense pocket of this interstellar medium
that's just always out there anyway.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So that's true, Yeah, because we're always entering new parts
of space. Right, the last time kind of happened.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Before, Like to think about it in like scale of time.
I think the last time we were on this side
of the galaxy. I could be wrong on this, but
I want to say it was when dinosaurs were around.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Oh yeah, you know what I mean. So, like we're
going on, but then they.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Had the the issue with the hashtroid.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'm just saying, dense field that we're going through, you know,
who knows. Yeah, So let's get into the funds theories.
Now we've got through the boring shit. Now we're going
to talk about the fun stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
So hypothesis one, Amamua is alien tech. So I've talked
about that. Avi Love guy. He is a Harvard professor.
You've probably heard about him. He's probably seen the clickbaity
articles about three eye atlasts. He's the one that's talking
about Oh, this is definitely alien tech.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
He said, Amuamua could be an alien light sale, which
we kind of already talked about. It's ultra then, it's
highly reflective. It could be, like I said, as thin
as a millimeter or less.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It doesn't need fuel. It uses starlight for its propulsion.
It could travel between star systems over millions of years
with minimal loss of energy.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I mean that's true.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, wow, the excelor Sorry, go ahead. I mean it'd
have to have like sensors or something though, right for
I mean inside I guess, yeah, I mean, why would
they send it out just to send it out like, well,
this guy have something on it. It.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Well?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
The thing is, though, it's like it if it is
alien tech, we wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Know what what like. It would be so foreign to us,
you know what I mean? It wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
We probably would not know how to even understand it
if we saw it, like if we actually physically saw it.
I don't know, but it fits a because the acceleration
matches what a light sale would experience near a star.
There's no jets or trails like we've already talked about,
(24:29):
and it's flat rotation because it was kind of like
like flipping end over end when it was coming in.
It could be consistent with like that of the tumbling
sale that that's happening.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So oh yeah, you know, that's terror. I didn't know
it was flipping end overy like such a long thing
and it's just oh my god.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yep, yeah right. So it's possible purposes.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
According to people that really buy into this is it
could be a functional probe that's transmitting data, or it
could be a relic of some abandoned craft that's just drifting,
or it could be an intentional signal left to be
found by emerging civilizations like ours. I mean, those are
(25:20):
the ideas that they have. And honestly, I mean, what
like I try to think about it, and this might
be the wrong way to think about it, but I
think about it from a human perspective, right, like if
we want to go study something, like, we don't try
to fuck with anything. We just stand back and kind
of let it do what it's doing. We don't want
(25:43):
to that. I mean, that could be part of it,
you know, I don't know. So you kind of touched
on the second hypothesis, Sarah, this could be a reconnaissance mission. Yeah,
So some theories say that a Muhamu's path wasn't random,
and it's and multiple planets in one swoop.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
So if you kind of.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Looked at the orbit of how it did it, it's
pretty similar to what three Eye Atlas is doing too,
where it's kind of coming in and it's able to
you know, not interact, but be close to the other
planets to really observe them, so.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Right, collig data on them and stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Plus the Sun right very close.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And you know, we've done this with probes to like
map atmospheres, scanning for chemical compounds, like we do this
right now. We've done this on Titan, We've done this
on Mars, we've done this on Venus. Like it's not
out of the realm of the possibility if we have
(26:44):
an advanced civilization, like they wouldn't just be doing this
in their solar system, they would be doing it everywhere,
so right, the scary part of it is it is
a reconnaissance prose, a probe.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
What is it sending its information back to.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Right or the mother or is it relaying to something
that's already headed this way?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Right, that's what they're thinking. Is the other thing right? Well,
not anymore? Maybe since it's a comment, well or just disguised.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
It could be disguised as a comment. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Uh, there's another hypothesis about that these are actual coordinated visits.
So the arrival of three eye atlasts two years later
it definitely set off the old harm bells.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I'm sure you saw it.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I'm sure everybody has seen the fucking posts of you know,
clickbaity alien mothership coming to Earth and blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
You know they're coming to destroy us and whatever. You know.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I'm not really believing all this, but the the word
scout for a muamua always gets the conspiracy people going like,
why would you name it that?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
It like, right, if.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
It's not like the people who named.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It new Well, that's true, that's very true. But if
you want to go deeper and really get the tinfoil
hat on. Are we not already contacting with alien civilizations
through our governments and stuff like that?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You know?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So, I mean they're already here.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
They might yell, they might already know. This is their
disclosure to us.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So well, can they be more clear?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
No, of course not.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
But three eye outlas could be a cover, uh, deliberately
disguised as a comment. Possibly inside could be smaller probes.
Genetic material for pan spermia. I fucking hate that word.
It's fucking disgusting. I don't like it pan spermia.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Never heard of that? You've never heard of that? Oh man,
we're gonna get that. No, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
The pen spermia.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah. So it's the idea that like.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Life was seated somewhere else in the universe and the
genetic material was like either an asteroid hit us and
that's what get like from another planet or something, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
That's the idea.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
That I've never heard of it. I didn't know that's
what it was called.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
That's what it's called.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's a lot of stuff hit the Earth. Yeah, yeah,
I don't like that term, but I feel like that
could be true.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Oh yeah, I mean that very well could be true.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
And in all honesty, like you've talked, you've heard like
scientists like trying to recreate like the compounds of like
proteins and amino acids just like randomly coming together, and
they can never do it. I mean, well, we had
a shit ton of stuff hit us after a planet
was formed, you know, it very likely could be something
like that that happened. So it could also have compound
(30:00):
or comms in it. Like you know how we sent
out the voyager probe and it had like our location
and coordinates to try to contact with us when you
know we're ready to hear it.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I guess, I don't know. I'm not really sure where
that last little bit comes from.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
It of that, it's the coordinated visit, so it's embedded
with tech too, you know, interact with our technology.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, it's going to broadcast over all the radios at
once in all the languages.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, well, and honestly, like that wouldn't probably be too
hard to do for an advanced civilization to actually do that.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
So yeah, now I do like this not this one.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
These are both alien relics, Okay, So a lot of people,
you know, conspiracy UFOs. You know, they speculate about ancient
interstellers like ships and stuff like that, that once they're
abandoned or damaged or something catastrophic happened, they're just going
to be a drip kind of like what we did
with Voyager. We just sent that bitch out and we're
(31:03):
just like, well, we're never seeing it again, right.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
You know, Well James web too, right that we're never
going to get that big Well yeah, but that's no.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
So that's going to stay and I forget what the
there's an orbit that kind of puts it behind the Moon.
It's going to stay in that orbit for quite a while.
I could be wrong on that, but I can't remember
for sure. But no, Like, but Voyager and Voyager one
and two, those were just shot out and they're actually,
I believe Voyager one I remember, if I remember correctly,
(31:35):
is actually in interstellar space. Like it's pretty much outside
of the bounds of our son now, which is kind
of wild to think about.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
So but I do like that idea that, you know,
our solo system could be passing through this like wreckage
of I don't know a civilization or like a dramatic event,
you know, and we're still just seeing these little bits
and pieces of it.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
So I don't know, Yeah, it kind of I would
make sense.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, I mean because you think, like what we do
with like all the space debris that's orbited around our
planet right now, just from shooting shuttles up, same thing
would probably happen, right, But same thing would probably happen,
you know, with that other civilization too, if they don't
(32:27):
need it. It's like, well, space is big, fuck it, you.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Know, right, kind of pulled it out there.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, eat that bitch towards that star, get it away
from us.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, and then just because and then it crashes into
a future planet and then you start a war.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
The next thing, you know, we have an intergalactic war
and the Federation comes down. They're like, hey, are you
with us or are you with these bad people? It's
like you all look like bad people. I don't know
what to do.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Right Where we will be Switzerland.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, we'll try. I don't think. I don't think human
beans would be Switzerland.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I think human beings would be like fuck, yeah, let's go,
you know, you go fox some shit up.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Probably half would pick one side and half would pick
the other.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Oh yeah, we'd have a civil war and it'd be
you know, fighting over dumb shit like we already are.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
But yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
There's an interesting thing that social media has kind of
started like this, I don't want to I don't know.
I call it the silent treatment. So the Internet is
quick to notice mainstream coverage of amuha mua. They really
went quiet after the initial hype in twenty seventeen. So,
(33:44):
but then by twenty eighteen, like all coverage like was
completely faded and then replaced with just like, oh, it's
just a space rock, you.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
So it's kind of like, don't get me wrong, I
understand that, like toff kind of changes and when we
get information, the story changes, and maybe it just became
something that was irrelevant for sure, is definitely a good possibility,
but it just seemed to happen like really abruptly, because
we're talking October, like the hype was there, but then
(34:17):
by like January of eighteen, it was like, eh, whatever,
that's pretty quick, pretty fast, right, So I don't know,
but there are definitely some very unverified claims online. I'm sure,
this is no shock to anybody. But supposedly we had
(34:38):
a secret intercept, A classified probe was sent after it,
but I was not able to find anything on that,
just besides that we sent something after it. So I
highly doubt based on how fast it was moving, I
highly doubt we did anything of the sort.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Oh yeah, when does space force become a thing that
was more recent? Right?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah? Actually, maybe I was going to say, maybe they
were like, oh shit, we gotta we got to get
a space force ready because we got shit coming our way,
right man. You never know, no, But supposedly they supposedly,
(35:22):
somehow they did a trajectory match for a MUAMA as
it passed near us, and we were able to, you know,
get some classified satellites around it. And I'm not yet,
I don't think so, I'm not buying that at all.
So anyway, but apparently there was a signal detected from it.
(35:45):
It was like a radio burst, but it was not
released publicly and you cannot find anything about that, So
I don't know if I believe that either.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, but I thought those were kind.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Of interesting because that's kind of like more of this
social media side of things, Like that's like the hardcore
conspiracy theories, like you know, oh, they wanted to cover
it up and it had all this stuff and we
sent a probe out and we did this, and we
did this, and yeah, it's like this is a.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Little a little little too wild for me, man, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I don't believe that. I mean, I could see the
radio burst maybe.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
But oh for sure if if you could find actual
like scientific data on it, for sure, But you can't
find anything on it. So I think that's just a
bunch of bullshit if we're being honest. So the next
one is three Eye Atlas is kind of compared to
(36:43):
like the Trojan Horse. So it's disguised as something seemingly innocent,
just a normal comment passes through, but they've already started
to see stuff break.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Off of it.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
And what people are saying, it's not being like a
it's like probes that are coming off of.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
It to go like shoot other places or whatever.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Apparently I don't know, but it's they try to say
this because of the actual trajectory of it.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Like I said, it's coming in.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I think I have a halfway decent picture of its
supposed trajectory.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Let's see if I.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Can pull this up and not make myself look like
a fool. So let's see, I'm great podcasting. So this
is as supposed trajectory right here. M okay, So it's
(37:43):
it's coming in really close to Jupiter, all right, I'm sorry,
it's coming in out from this orbit of Jupiter, and
it's coming in really really really close to Mars and
Earth and Venus while Venus is on the other side.
But then it's gonna shoot off a little further away.
So I thought that was kind of interesting, to say
(38:03):
the very least. But that's kind of the idea of it,
is that you know, it's going to start letting probes
go and exploring the individual planets and doing stuff like that.
But if you know, this thing is relatively big, I
don't even think we would really notice it if they
(38:27):
started dropping probes off, you know what I mean, some
of this could be I've even heard people just theorize
or hypothesize that they could be carrying something as small
as like a nanotech, like a microscopic thing that could
do long term missions without detection, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
So yeah, that would be insane.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
So I'm well, once again, like if you're going to
study something, and you are an advanced civilization. I don't
think you would want to interact. You'd want to interact
as least as possible. You know, you'd want to see
what these crazy people are up to on this planet
where they have few monourcular weapons that they argue about
religion and borders, you know, so.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Right, yeah, well, well, I mean why I feel like,
because the three I Atlas is way bigger, right than Amma.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I think it because it's a comet. It appears to
be bigger. It's probably significantly smaller, but the actual like
trail around it from all the gas makes it like
look huge.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Right, Yeah, I mean it just seems if you want
to go incognito to drop probes, like you're in a
pretty like a thing that everyone's noticing. So well, but
it does look like a commets.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I guess it's well, that's what I'm saying. We've we've
seen comets forever. Humans, You've seen comets forever. I mean,
it's not a it's not an uncommon thing.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
For us to see.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I mean, it kind of looks crazy sometimes when it's
in the sky, but it's you know.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Why not be like Manta black or something.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Maybe that's a strictly human technology.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Or like, I don't know, invisible like you've got you've
gotta be able to I don't know. It just seems
a little weird.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Well, and I don't put a whole lot of stock
into that theory at all that it is a trojan
horse by any means. I think it is a comet
for sure, But I mean it would make sense if
they did want to study to make it as seemingly like,
what is something these crazy people are used to seeing,
you know, on a semi normal basis, Well, here you go.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Comment is going to come through real close.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
And the one thing that people are saying too is
it's odd that when it does get like to a
point where we could observe it really really really well
on Earth, it's actually going to be behind in the sun.
We're not going to be able to see it until
it starts to leave the solar system sometime I think
(41:06):
in December.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
So yeah, that's true. They're hiding. They're hiding our light.
This is our sun, and you're gonna they're using it.
The good stuffs there.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
There is like a hypothesis for a long game. A
muamua was a long range scout that verifies life and technology,
and three I atlist delivers the long term modern devices
you know right now, I mean, at the end of
the day, these technologies and these beings, you know, like
(41:43):
they probably don't have to worry about dying, or they're
not worried about it, or something happens or you know,
you know what I mean. So when if they have
to wait centuries for something to happen, then they're just
going to do that.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
That's kind of the idea of these kind of like
probing missions that they would do and then you know,
once it's like, oh yeah, there's definitely life here, send
the big boy and shoot out some probes.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
I don't know, so now to kind of go back
to like the mood that we have online, it's from
what I could tell, there's like three groups of people
that I'm that I'm saying for sure. You've got scientists
that are crunching the numbers, debating models, you know, publishing
papers like very scientific, rigid.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
We're not jumping in the explanations.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
We're just trying to figure out like where these are
going to be, where we could possibly try to measure
some data off of it and call it good.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
You have another one that they are absolutely convinced that
this is proof of contact, and they are like, the
media is covering it up. This is not you know,
blah blah blah, and they're hiding from us and aliens
are coming and they're going to destroy us, and they're
you know, all that bullshit. Seeing a lot of that
on TikTok, which is hilarious to me because it always
(43:02):
I saw one today where it's like, oh, the timeline's changed,
they'll be here in two weeks. It's like, what the
how did we go from four months from now to
two weeks?
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Like, okay, you're just being stupid now.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
And then hence the Internet, we have the people that
are just making fun of this, joking, making memes, you know,
talking shit, trolling, you know that sort of stuff, which
is pretty much I mean, I was thinking about this
the other day. That's really like the three categories I
see for most people on most topics. You have people
(43:37):
that are actually trying to figure out some stuff. You
have some people that are convinced that it's bullshit or
not and all in on whatever side it is. And
you have people making fun of it. So that's really
what I'm seeing online. So nothing like hardline data from
any of those memurs.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I guess I could call them, you know, so, but
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Man, we have we've had three visitors, and two have
been kind of mysterious. One you can't find any information
about that. Two I I can't remember, right, that's weird.
And then you have one that looks super familiar and
they're about to be in and out like a mumu
was you know.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
So it's just, yeah, that's weird. You can't find anything
on two.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
I I'm sure you could.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I did look a little bit and it was kind
of all like un interesting.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
I guess would be the best way. So I don't know.
It just seems weird to me.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
I think I personally think, Sarah, that these are just
interstellar space rocks that are coming through our solar system,
and we just happened to be alive during the time
when they're coming through, and we can measure in detective.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Right, you know, yeah, because that is pretty new technology,
Like who knows if it's like you said, we've probably
had these before and we had no idea how close
thank got.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, now we know, well, I mean we just know
too much now. Yeah, we just wouldn't know way too.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Much now but not enough still.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Well, and it's like we talked about kind of like
the the satellites that track near Earth objects, like that
is a super new, like right field of study like
that that is less than Well, maybe I might be
speaking a little out of turn because I don't know
a whole lot, but we're talking like at minimum decades
that that has been actually working, you know what I mean.
(45:28):
So we haven't really been paying attention to near Earth
objects for a most of human history because we just
haven't been concerned with it and hadn't had the technology
to actually view it.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
So now that we can, it's.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Easy to assume and make make those high claims of
Like so you told you it's aliens definitely because it's
moving too slow, or definitely because it's moving too fast.
It's like, well, yep, yeah, it definitely. I'm not saying
it's a zero percent possibility. I just don't think it's
that high.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
So yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Don't know, Man, we'll see in what December, November if
we start being visited by some alien probes.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
We're not going to know that. So I mean, if
there's like another one that comes, well.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I guarantee you there will be. I guarantee you there
will be, you know, because it's just we're going our
technology is going to advance exponentially. Just what's what we do,
So we do as human beings, and we're going to
find more stuff. It's coming in and out of our
solar system. It's just what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
So I don't know. That's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, I don't think they're aliens.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, I don't think so either. Well, listeners, tell us
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Welcome back to The Paranoid Perspective.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I am j I'm Sarah.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Today we're gonna talk about something that has never happened
in all of recorded human history to interstellar flybys. Well,
I mean you gotta think, how often have we well,
I mean really, how long have we had anything resembling
modern astronomy?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah? True, like recorded?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So, I mean seeing like like even Galileo when he
built telescopes and stuff, it was like seeing fuzzy images,
you know, it wasn't like super clear. So I don't know,
I don't think. I feel like some of this stuff
is pretty hyped. But listeners, we're going to talk about
a muamua and our newest little interstellar friend three I
(02:10):
Atlas today and what they could possibly be and what
they most likely are or what they.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Allegedly could be.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So yeah, you've heard about all these though, right.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Yeah, yeah, Okay, I didn't know the other one was
called that, and it's kind of a stupid name.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, most things for astronomy are stupid names, because it's
like there's so much ship out there they can't name it,
Like you'd run out of names real quick. Is nice, though,
they're scientists, Okay, they don't got time to be creative
with names. Okay, they're trying to do groundbreaking studies and
(02:51):
research and discoveries and all this.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
You know that's true.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Ask chat GBT to name it.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Hey, that's not a bad idea, you know what I mean,
because I'm sure it would come up. Well, so I
don't know how would it do that because it's going
to go across all of the Internet searches for stuff,
and I don't know that'd be weird.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Just randomly push sounds together.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, this is how you enunciate this made up ward.
Oh well, let's talk about We're going to kind of
go in order of when these were seen. Okay, and
this is as recent as twenty seventeen, astronomers detected something unusual,
unlike anything they'd ever seen before. It wasn't a comment,
(03:37):
and it wasn't an asteroid, and it was definitely not
from our solar system. First and foremost. That's fucking terrifying.
First time you ever see that. It's just like, we
don't know what the fuck this thing is and it's
not bound by the sun. Holy shit, here it comes
to aliens, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Right? Yeah, I mean a lot of people thought that
when they first heard it, didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
They one and people still do think that. Sure, So
it came in.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Really really fast. It made a very close pass by
the Sun and then it was gone. It was like
in and out of our solar system super quick. And listeners,
I'm talking about a muamua, the very long cigar shaped
weird h Professor Avi Lobe from Harvard claimed it was
aliens because it was moving too slow. We'll get into
(04:23):
it too, but he also claims Atlas three eyes aliens
because it's moving.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Too fast, but the right.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
But speaking of three eye outlasts, it was just two
years later it happened again. Another interstellar stellar traveler entered
our solar system. This one looks a lot more familiar,
though this is definitely more than likely a comment. It's
getting closer, so it's starting to kind of shed some
of that like icy material and kind of form a tail.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
But it is definitely not from our solar system, so
I know. Right.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
But like we kind of talked about in the beginning,
all of human history, we've never seen a confirmed interstellar object,
and now all of a sudden, we've seen two in
what two years.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
But the craziest part is it's actually three.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Oh there's another one that is not well known, called
very good name Sarah two. I the ors key I
think I can't for it's I I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's why this one's three, I.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Guess, so I don't know how they do the names,
you know what I mean. So this one was actually
in between those two discoveries. So there's actually been three
interstellar objects that have been seen entering and leaving our
solar system. Except so, I know, right, it's kind of wild,
(05:59):
but the three Eye Atlas is still entering our solar system.
It won't actually pass by Mars, and I think it'll
go kind of like behind the Sun, so we can't
really observe it. I want to say sometime in like November,
so it's we still got like about another four ish
(06:19):
five ish months before it's like starting to leave our
solar system. But anyway, I figured this would be a
good way to kind of do this. We're going to
kind of do a little bit more structured today, so
I wanted to break this up into like factual record,
what we actually know, timelines, observations. Then we can go
(06:40):
with what we actually know about these objects, and then
we'll get to the fun stuff kind.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Of at the end, you know.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
So let's start with like the no shit factual record.
So well, you're gonna start with the Muama October nineteenth,
twenty seventeen. It was detected by the Pan stars on
telescope in Hawaii, which was it's designed to actually spot
near Earth objects in case of like, oh shit, we've
(07:09):
got asteroid that's gonna come and kill us, you know
what I mean, not that we'd be able to do
anything about it, but just to give us a rocket
out and yeah, well we'll call it uh yeah, well
we'll just nuke it and split it in half and
it'll just go around the Earth of course, but it
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was the first time we'd ever seen an orbit like this.
It was on a hyperbolic trajectory, which means it wasn't
bound to our star. It was just going to pass
right through and really really really fucking close to the Sun,
like it pretty much is gonna go into the orbit
and slingshot out once it gets close to that of
(07:51):
the Sun and whatnot.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
So it was really really weird.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
So we pretty much got a fly by of it
and we're never going to see it again.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
That is just gonna be go.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Yeah it essentially, yes, the Sun just fucking needed this
bitch out of our solar system.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
That's how it came in probably.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well, so I was listening to it. I was interested
listening to an interesting podcast earlier this week, and it
makes a lot of sense, Like, you know, the universe
is so old, and if you have fragments of space debris,
the older the space debris, the faster it's probably moving
because it's probably interacted with a bunch of stars and
(08:31):
had that slingshot happen. So it's not uncommon if you
see something that could possibly be very very very old
that it's moving ridiculously fast.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Yeahs like a pinball.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Right right, yeah, just but every time the pinball gets
close to something with some mass, it just picks up
a shit ton more speed, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So ye, oh, my gosh.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
But it's estimated to be in length anywhere from one
hundred to eight hundred meters, so pretty fucking big. And
it was really odd shaped. It was shaped like a
cylinder or a cigar shape, or it was based off
the measurements they could get it, which is really hard
to do because it was moving so fast and it
(09:15):
was not.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
A very big.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It proposed it was about ten times longer than it
was wide. So we're talking just this long, thin material,
and it could possibly have even been very flat or
almost like a pancake shape instead of like a cylinder
cigar shape, just by the way it was going now.
It also had a reddish color, which suggests that it
(09:41):
had been bombarded by a shit ton of cosmic rays
for a very long time. So once again, it's a
very old rock pretty much.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So its behavior.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Its closest approach to the Sun was about point two
five AU astronomical unit that's inside the orbit of Mercury.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oh really, it almost like plowed into it.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Well, no, like it's closer than Mercury, is it came
by closer so Mercury to for people that might not
know AU, to include myself, I don't know how far
an astronomical unit is because I'm kind of stupid. Mercury's
orbit is roughly about thirty two million miles or thirty
four million miles from the Sun. Amuamua passed the Sun
(10:31):
at twenty three million miles, so it's about ten million
miles closer or eleven million miles closer, so pretty damn
close to the Sun and cosmic terms, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Right, yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Wow, And at its peak it was estimated that it
was moving at one thousand and nine or one hundred
and ninety six thousand miles per hour.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Oh my god, So.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Once again that doesn't that doesn't make sense, you know
what I mean, Like it's like, what is that? That's
just fucking haul and ass if.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
The like.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Too much to imagine for sure.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Well that's what I'm saying, Like, like you can think
of like what it feels like to go one hundred
miles an hour, like most people in vehicles, you can
reach a car to get one hundred miles an hour,
but then ten twenty times that, like, no, we don't
understand how we would keep it, you know. So anyway,
(11:32):
but the weird part about a muah mua is when
it left the sun, it very slightly accelerated beyond what
the gravity could explain of its sling shotting, So it
like accelerated more off of what it should have. So
(11:54):
kind of weird on that part. Some other weird stuff
about it is it didn't have like that typical comet trail,
no dust, no visible outgassing, just a super clean, sleek
piece of material. So a lot of people that's why
it's like so foreign to us. They weren't sure, Like, dude,
this is definitely alien tech for sure, so.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Odd things at.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
The Yeah, I didn't know. It's like accelerated more than
the Sun would have allowed.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Right, well, what or what would be expected?
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And I mean there's obviously there's obviously variables that I'm
sure we don't know that could possibly do that.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
But I don't know. That is definitely a weird part
of it.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And that was one of that a v lobe that
Harvard professor's guy like one of his like, oh yeah, see,
it's definitely a piece of alien technology, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
So yeah, yeah, I got energy from the Sun and
then it could zoom zoom.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I mean, hey, it very well could be because I mean,
in all honesty, if there are like aliens that travel interstellarly,
we would not understand how that works. So I mean
it would make Yeah, it wouldn't be out of the
realm possibility for sure.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
So let's move on to some factual information about the
three eye outlists, the one that is coming in as
we speak. So this was found in December of twenty nineteen.
It was found by the Asteroid Terrestrial Impact Last Alert
System or ATLAS. That's where we get the three eye
atlasts from all these This is also in Hawaii as well,
(13:38):
so the three eye means it's the third confirmed interstellar
object after a mua and that two eye yours. Yeah,
so that's that's why that's named like that very scientifically,
you know, yeah, categorizing.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
I mean, why happened to a muamua? Who named that?
I guess people in Hawaii first?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yeah, because I I believe a muama It was loosely
translated to like scout or messenger, I think, is what.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
A muama was, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Kind of they were kind of on the alien train
when they were naming that as well, I think, you
know what I mean, so right, But unlike a muhama,
this looks like a comet like now, like they released
a photo of it from Hubble about five days ago.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I think.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Actually, let me pull it up just so we can
see it. Listeners, if you want to check out and
see what this thing looks like, you can definitely google it,
or you could.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Check us out on our YouTube channel and see it
right now.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
So anyway, but yeah, let's uh, let me see what
I can get. See You're not the only one Sarah,
that has a problem showing your screen boom. So this
is the picture that it was taken about five days ago.
So this this part in the middle right here is
all the gas and whatnot that is shooting off and
you can kind of start to see a tail forming
(15:08):
off of that. So that's kind of what they're talking
about as far as that goes. So whenever, hang on,
get this out of here. Why can't you go away now, listeners?
This is what happens when you share your screen.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
So I keep on a separate screen.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
I know, right, I should probably do the same.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well, see, Sarah, I'm I'm running you know, one screen
right now, So I just got to deal with what
I got.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, you need it at least two, maybe.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Three would be good, you know what, Sarah.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
For this, I'm probably just going to go start buying
as many screens as possible, and just then I'll.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Have the problem of being all, like, well, ship, where
did I put this? Tab? Where I put this? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I think three is good. I use three at work.
Yeah that's very good.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, well I might have to I might have to
start investment in some monitors for sure, then. But but no,
this is definitely looking like a comet. It's it also
looks like it's like pieces are starting to break apart,
which is normal comet behavior as it gets closer to
a star, just because it's starting.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
To heat up.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
It's not really held together, like it's not like a
traditional asteroid where it's like rocky body, you know, It's
it's very loosely compacted. So it kind of makes sense.
It's it's showing all the signs of you know, a
typical comment. But for both of these, the timing is
very odd, and that's one of the things that is
(16:41):
kind of blowing people away. We're talking a two year
difference between when these were confirmed, right, yeah, you know,
and or actually a two year difference from three objects
confirmed like that.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
That's pretty I understand.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
The possibilities are always out there, but the likelihood of
it happening like back to back almost is pretty rare.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, especially if they're different types of objects, Like it's
probably not the same material that just broke apart.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Right for whatever.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, right, But astronomers say, we just have improved detection.
That's what explains it. We are always innovative, we're always
doing better, you know, at some point to like this
cluster of like denser material that we're like currently going through,
and like our orbit of the galaxy is explaining this
(17:34):
amount of things that are happening. So I don't know,
it's it's kind of weird, but at the same time,
it's like space.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Is big, man. Yeah, shit is always coming through, you know, so.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, and we can detect it better now, so.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, yeah, and this is there was no point prior
in human history where we could detect it. So they've
probably had other objects that have come through, we just
haven't been able to actually see them or even wish
we could see them.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
So right, so.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Let's go onto some actual facts and then we'll kind
of get into the fun stuff. So AMUMU is acceleration mystery.
It's measured from multiple different observations and it's all confirmed
that this thing definitely accelerated more than it should have
coming out of the Sun.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
So that is a definite fact.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
There is something some process happened where that thing gained
more momentum than it definitely should have.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Now, out gassing from a comet could definitely cause that,
like materials being pushed away, but there was no evidence
of dust or gas on that thing, So that kind
of puts that.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Out right off the bat.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, radiation pressure from sunlight could do it if the
object was extreme thin. So are you familiar with what
would it be called, like a light sale they proposed
us for certain space travel.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Oh yeah, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
So pretty much like we're using the Sun's photons to
push this thing forward. So it definitely is something that
can happen, but it have to be like super thin
for it to do that. And if it's at the
biggest eight hundred meters long, that means it's at least
eighty meters wide, Like.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
That's not thin, you know what I mean. So yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
So it was definitely like we talked about, the shape
is pretty much confirmed on all sources. But if it
was a pancake shape, it definitely would fit the light
sale profile better. They might be off on the actual
thickness of it, but either one, it suggests it's a
fragment from a larger like breakup of something like And
(20:01):
I was watching an interesting documentary on it over the
weekend and they simulated like asteroid impacts on like planetary
bodies and stuff, and there is possible like strikes that
could happen to where you'd have these like super long,
thin fragments that get broken off of the planet. So
(20:21):
it's not like out of the realm of possibility that, right,
a planet you know, hundreds of thousands of light years away,
you know, hundreds of thousands of years ago, got hit
by an asteroid and it just broke off some stuff
and sent it our way and we're just happened to
see it now. So that's probably more than likely. That's
(20:42):
probably what it is, but we don't like to think
about them more than likely here.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Right, Yeah, give us the aliens.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah, well, and there is some weird stuff and we'll
kind of get into that here in just a little bit.
But there is some weird stuff that people have proposed
for it too. But then to finish up this, you know,
actual information that we know for sure. Three outlys definitely
most likely a comment there's no acceleration mystery. Yes, it's
(21:10):
moving very fast, but it's probably also very old, like
we talked about before, And they have done like a
decent amount of chemical analysis to show the gas ratios
or pointing to something like very cold where it came from.
So that explains all the gas it's escaping as it's
getting closer.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
To our Sun.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
We have a problem with the probability. That's what a
lot of people have a problem with. Here, there's three
intertellar visitors in under three years. It's statistically weird. It
shouldn't happen like that. This could mean these objects are
extremely common, which I would really probably believe that, and
we just couldn't connect or you know, detect them before,
(21:53):
or our system has recently entered a space where they
are very abundant, very dense pocket of this interstellar medium
that's just always out there anyway.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
So that's true, Yeah, because we're always entering new parts
of space. Right, the last time kind of happened.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Before, Like to think about it in like scale of time.
I think the last time we were on this side
of the galaxy. I could be wrong on this, but
I want to say it was when dinosaurs were around.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Oh yeah, you know what I mean. So, like we're
going on, but then they.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Had the the issue with the hashtroid.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I'm just saying, dense field that we're going through, you know,
who knows. Yeah, So let's get into the funds theories.
Now we've got through the boring shit. Now we're going
to talk about the fun stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
So hypothesis one, Amamua is alien tech. So I've talked
about that. Avi Love guy. He is a Harvard professor.
You've probably heard about him. He's probably seen the clickbaity
articles about three eye atlasts. He's the one that's talking
about Oh, this is definitely alien tech.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
He said, Amuamua could be an alien light sale, which
we kind of already talked about. It's ultra then, it's
highly reflective. It could be, like I said, as thin
as a millimeter or less.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
It doesn't need fuel. It uses starlight for its propulsion.
It could travel between star systems over millions of years
with minimal loss of energy.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I mean that's true.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, wow, the excelor Sorry, go ahead. I mean it'd
have to have like sensors or something though, right for
I mean inside I guess, yeah, I mean, why would
they send it out just to send it out like, well,
this guy have something on it. It.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Well?
Speaker 2 (23:58):
The thing is, though, it's like it if it is
alien tech, we wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Know what what like. It would be so foreign to us,
you know what I mean? It wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
We probably would not know how to even understand it
if we saw it, like if we actually physically saw it.
I don't know, but it fits a because the acceleration
matches what a light sale would experience near a star.
There's no jets or trails like we've already talked about,
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and it's flat rotation because it was kind of like
like flipping end over end when it was coming in.
It could be consistent with like that of the tumbling
sale that that's happening.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
So oh yeah, you know, that's terror. I didn't know
it was flipping end overy like such a long thing
and it's just oh my god.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yep, yeah right. So it's possible purposes.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
According to people that really buy into this is it
could be a functional probe that's transmitting data, or it
could be a relic of some abandoned craft that's just drifting,
or it could be an intentional signal left to be
found by emerging civilizations like ours. I mean, those are
(25:20):
the ideas that they have. And honestly, I mean, what
like I try to think about it, and this might
be the wrong way to think about it, but I
think about it from a human perspective, right, like if
we want to go study something, like, we don't try
to fuck with anything. We just stand back and kind
of let it do what it's doing. We don't want
(25:43):
to that. I mean, that could be part of it,
you know, I don't know. So you kind of touched
on the second hypothesis, Sarah, this could be a reconnaissance mission. Yeah,
So some theories say that a Muhamu's path wasn't random,
and it's and multiple planets in one swoop.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
So if you kind of.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Looked at the orbit of how it did it, it's
pretty similar to what three Eye Atlas is doing too,
where it's kind of coming in and it's able to
you know, not interact, but be close to the other
planets to really observe them, so.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Right, collig data on them and stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Plus the Sun right very close.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
And you know, we've done this with probes to like
map atmospheres, scanning for chemical compounds, like we do this
right now. We've done this on Titan, We've done this
on Mars, we've done this on Venus. Like it's not
out of the realm of the possibility if we have
(26:44):
an advanced civilization, like they wouldn't just be doing this
in their solar system, they would be doing it everywhere,
so right, the scary part of it is it is
a reconnaissance prose, a probe.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
What is it sending its information back to.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Right or the mother or is it relaying to something
that's already headed this way?
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Right, that's what they're thinking. Is the other thing right? Well,
not anymore? Maybe since it's a comment, well or just disguised.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
It could be disguised as a comment. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Uh, there's another hypothesis about that these are actual coordinated visits.
So the arrival of three eye atlasts two years later
it definitely set off the old harm bells.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
I'm sure you saw it.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
I'm sure everybody has seen the fucking posts of you know,
clickbaity alien mothership coming to Earth and blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
You know they're coming to destroy us and whatever. You know.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
I'm not really believing all this, but the the word
scout for a muamua always gets the conspiracy people going like,
why would you name it that?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
It like, right, if.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
It's not like the people who named.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It new Well, that's true, that's very true. But if
you want to go deeper and really get the tinfoil
hat on. Are we not already contacting with alien civilizations
through our governments and stuff like that?
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You know?
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So, I mean they're already here.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
They might yell, they might already know. This is their
disclosure to us.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So well, can they be more clear?
Speaker 3 (28:31):
No, of course not.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
But three eye outlas could be a cover, uh, deliberately
disguised as a comment. Possibly inside could be smaller probes.
Genetic material for pan spermia. I fucking hate that word.
It's fucking disgusting. I don't like it pan spermia.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Never heard of that? You've never heard of that? Oh man,
we're gonna get that. No, it's it's.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
The pen spermia.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Yeah. So it's the idea that like.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
Life was seated somewhere else in the universe and the
genetic material was like either an asteroid hit us and
that's what get like from another planet or something, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
That's the idea.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
That I've never heard of it. I didn't know that's
what it was called.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
That's what it's called.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's a lot of stuff hit the Earth. Yeah, yeah,
I don't like that term, but I feel like that
could be true.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Oh yeah, I mean that very well could be true.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
And in all honesty, like you've talked, you've heard like
scientists like trying to recreate like the compounds of like
proteins and amino acids just like randomly coming together, and
they can never do it. I mean, well, we had
a shit ton of stuff hit us after a planet
was formed, you know, it very likely could be something
like that that happened. So it could also have compound
(30:00):
or comms in it. Like you know how we sent
out the voyager probe and it had like our location
and coordinates to try to contact with us when you
know we're ready to hear it.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
I guess, I don't know. I'm not really sure where
that last little bit comes from.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
It of that, it's the coordinated visit, so it's embedded
with tech too, you know, interact with our technology.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah, it's going to broadcast over all the radios at
once in all the languages.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, well, and honestly, like that wouldn't probably be too
hard to do for an advanced civilization to actually do that.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
So yeah, now I do like this not this one.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
These are both alien relics, Okay, So a lot of people,
you know, conspiracy UFOs. You know, they speculate about ancient
interstellers like ships and stuff like that, that once they're
abandoned or damaged or something catastrophic happened, they're just going
to be a drip kind of like what we did
with Voyager. We just sent that bitch out and we're
(31:03):
just like, well, we're never seeing it again, right.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
You know, Well James web too, right that we're never
going to get that big Well yeah, but that's no.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
So that's going to stay and I forget what the
there's an orbit that kind of puts it behind the Moon.
It's going to stay in that orbit for quite a while.
I could be wrong on that, but I can't remember
for sure. But no, Like, but Voyager and Voyager one
and two, those were just shot out and they're actually,
I believe Voyager one I remember, if I remember correctly,
(31:35):
is actually in interstellar space. Like it's pretty much outside
of the bounds of our son now, which is kind
of wild to think about.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Yeah, that was crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
So but I do like that idea that, you know,
our solo system could be passing through this like wreckage
of I don't know a civilization or like a dramatic event,
you know, and we're still just seeing these little bits
and pieces of it.
Speaker 1 (32:01):
So I don't know, Yeah, it kind of I would
make sense.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah, I mean because you think, like what we do
with like all the space debris that's orbited around our
planet right now, just from shooting shuttles up, same thing
would probably happen, right, But same thing would probably happen,
you know, with that other civilization too, if they don't
(32:27):
need it. It's like, well, space is big, fuck it, you.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Know, right, kind of pulled it out there.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, eat that bitch towards that star, get it away
from us.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, and then just because and then it crashes into
a future planet and then you start a war.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
The next thing, you know, we have an intergalactic war
and the Federation comes down. They're like, hey, are you
with us or are you with these bad people? It's
like you all look like bad people. I don't know
what to do.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Right Where we will be Switzerland.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, we'll try. I don't think. I don't think human
beans would be Switzerland.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I think human beings would be like fuck, yeah, let's go,
you know, you go fox some shit up.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Probably half would pick one side and half would pick
the other.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
Oh yeah, we'd have a civil war and it'd be
you know, fighting over dumb shit like we already are.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
But yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
There's an interesting thing that social media has kind of
started like this, I don't want to I don't know.
I call it the silent treatment. So the Internet is
quick to notice mainstream coverage of amuha mua. They really
went quiet after the initial hype in twenty seventeen. So,
(33:44):
but then by twenty eighteen, like all coverage like was
completely faded and then replaced with just like, oh, it's
just a space rock, you.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
So it's kind of like, don't get me wrong, I
understand that, like toff kind of changes and when we
get information, the story changes, and maybe it just became
something that was irrelevant for sure, is definitely a good possibility,
but it just seemed to happen like really abruptly, because
we're talking October, like the hype was there, but then
(34:17):
by like January of eighteen, it was like, eh, whatever,
that's pretty quick, pretty fast, right, So I don't know,
but there are definitely some very unverified claims online. I'm sure,
this is no shock to anybody. But supposedly we had
(34:38):
a secret intercept, A classified probe was sent after it,
but I was not able to find anything on that,
just besides that we sent something after it. So I
highly doubt based on how fast it was moving, I
highly doubt we did anything of the sort.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Oh yeah, when does space force become a thing that
was more recent? Right?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah? Actually, maybe I was going to say, maybe they
were like, oh shit, we gotta we got to get
a space force ready because we got shit coming our way,
right man. You never know, no, But supposedly they supposedly,
(35:22):
somehow they did a trajectory match for a MUAMA as
it passed near us, and we were able to, you know,
get some classified satellites around it. And I'm not yet,
I don't think so, I'm not buying that at all.
So anyway, but apparently there was a signal detected from it.
(35:45):
It was like a radio burst, but it was not
released publicly and you cannot find anything about that, So
I don't know if I believe that either.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, but I thought those were kind.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Of interesting because that's kind of like more of this
social media side of things, Like that's like the hardcore
conspiracy theories, like you know, oh, they wanted to cover
it up and it had all this stuff and we
sent a probe out and we did this, and we
did this, and yeah, it's like this is a.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Little a little little too wild for me, man, you know, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
I don't believe that. I mean, I could see the
radio burst maybe.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
But oh for sure if if you could find actual
like scientific data on it, for sure, But you can't
find anything on it. So I think that's just a
bunch of bullshit if we're being honest. So the next
one is three Eye Atlas is kind of compared to
(36:43):
like the Trojan Horse. So it's disguised as something seemingly innocent,
just a normal comment passes through, but they've already started
to see stuff break.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Off of it.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
And what people are saying, it's not being like a
it's like probes that are coming off of.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
It to go like shoot other places or whatever.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Apparently I don't know, but it's they try to say
this because of the actual trajectory of it.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Like I said, it's coming in.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
I think I have a halfway decent picture of its
supposed trajectory.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Let's see if I.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Can pull this up and not make myself look like
a fool. So let's see, I'm great podcasting. So this
is as supposed trajectory right here. M okay, So it's
(37:43):
it's coming in really close to Jupiter, all right, I'm sorry,
it's coming in out from this orbit of Jupiter, and
it's coming in really really really close to Mars and
Earth and Venus while Venus is on the other side.
But then it's gonna shoot off a little further away.
So I thought that was kind of interesting, to say
(38:03):
the very least. But that's kind of the idea of it,
is that you know, it's going to start letting probes
go and exploring the individual planets and doing stuff like that.
But if you know, this thing is relatively big, I
don't even think we would really notice it if they
(38:27):
started dropping probes off, you know what I mean, some
of this could be I've even heard people just theorize
or hypothesize that they could be carrying something as small
as like a nanotech, like a microscopic thing that could
do long term missions without detection, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
So yeah, that would be insane.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
So I'm well, once again, like if you're going to
study something, and you are an advanced civilization. I don't
think you would want to interact. You'd want to interact
as least as possible. You know, you'd want to see
what these crazy people are up to on this planet
where they have few monourcular weapons that they argue about
religion and borders, you know, so.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Right, yeah, well, well, I mean why I feel like,
because the three I Atlas is way bigger, right than Amma.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
I think it because it's a comet. It appears to
be bigger. It's probably significantly smaller, but the actual like
trail around it from all the gas makes it like
look huge.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
Right, Yeah, I mean it just seems if you want
to go incognito to drop probes, like you're in a
pretty like a thing that everyone's noticing. So well, but
it does look like a commets.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
I guess it's well, that's what I'm saying. We've we've
seen comets forever. Humans, You've seen comets forever. I mean,
it's not a it's not an uncommon thing.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
For us to see.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
I mean, it kind of looks crazy sometimes when it's
in the sky, but it's you know.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
Why not be like Manta black or something.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Maybe that's a strictly human technology.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Or like, I don't know, invisible like you've got you've
gotta be able to I don't know. It just seems
a little weird.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Well, and I don't put a whole lot of stock
into that theory at all that it is a trojan
horse by any means. I think it is a comet
for sure, But I mean it would make sense if
they did want to study to make it as seemingly like,
what is something these crazy people are used to seeing,
you know, on a semi normal basis, Well, here you go.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
Comment is going to come through real close.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
And the one thing that people are saying too is
it's odd that when it does get like to a
point where we could observe it really really really well
on Earth, it's actually going to be behind in the sun.
We're not going to be able to see it until
it starts to leave the solar system sometime I think
(41:06):
in December.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
So yeah, that's true. They're hiding. They're hiding our light.
This is our sun, and you're gonna they're using it.
The good stuffs there.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
There is like a hypothesis for a long game. A
muamua was a long range scout that verifies life and technology,
and three I atlist delivers the long term modern devices
you know right now, I mean, at the end of
the day, these technologies and these beings, you know, like
(41:43):
they probably don't have to worry about dying, or they're
not worried about it, or something happens or you know,
you know what I mean. So when if they have
to wait centuries for something to happen, then they're just
going to do that.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
You know.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
That's kind of the idea of these kind of like
probing missions that they would do and then you know,
once it's like, oh yeah, there's definitely life here, send
the big boy and shoot out some probes.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
You know.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
I don't know, so now to kind of go back
to like the mood that we have online, it's from
what I could tell, there's like three groups of people
that I'm that I'm saying for sure. You've got scientists
that are crunching the numbers, debating models, you know, publishing
papers like very scientific, rigid.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
We're not jumping in the explanations.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
We're just trying to figure out like where these are
going to be, where we could possibly try to measure
some data off of it and call it good.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Right.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
You have another one that they are absolutely convinced that
this is proof of contact, and they are like, the
media is covering it up. This is not you know,
blah blah blah, and they're hiding from us and aliens
are coming and they're going to destroy us, and they're
you know, all that bullshit. Seeing a lot of that
on TikTok, which is hilarious to me because it always
(43:02):
I saw one today where it's like, oh, the timeline's changed,
they'll be here in two weeks. It's like, what the
how did we go from four months from now to
two weeks?
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Like, okay, you're just being stupid now.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
And then hence the Internet, we have the people that
are just making fun of this, joking, making memes, you know,
talking shit, trolling, you know that sort of stuff, which
is pretty much I mean, I was thinking about this
the other day. That's really like the three categories I
see for most people on most topics. You have people
(43:37):
that are actually trying to figure out some stuff. You
have some people that are convinced that it's bullshit or
not and all in on whatever side it is. And
you have people making fun of it. So that's really
what I'm seeing online. So nothing like hardline data from
any of those memurs.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
I guess I could call them, you know, so, but
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Man, we have we've had three visitors, and two have
been kind of mysterious. One you can't find any information
about that. Two I I can't remember, right, that's weird.
And then you have one that looks super familiar and
they're about to be in and out like a mumu
was you know.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
So it's just, yeah, that's weird. You can't find anything
on two.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
I I'm sure you could.
Speaker 2 (44:24):
I did look a little bit and it was kind
of all like un interesting.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
I guess would be the best way. So I don't know.
It just seems weird to me.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
I think I personally think, Sarah, that these are just
interstellar space rocks that are coming through our solar system,
and we just happened to be alive during the time
when they're coming through, and we can measure in detective.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Right, you know, yeah, because that is pretty new technology,
Like who knows if it's like you said, we've probably
had these before and we had no idea how close
thank got.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah, now we know, well, I mean we just know
too much now. Yeah, we just wouldn't know way too.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Much now but not enough still.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Well, and it's like we talked about kind of like
the the satellites that track near Earth objects, like that
is a super new, like right field of study like
that that is less than Well, maybe I might be
speaking a little out of turn because I don't know
a whole lot, but we're talking like at minimum decades
that that has been actually working, you know what I mean.
(45:28):
So we haven't really been paying attention to near Earth
objects for a most of human history because we just
haven't been concerned with it and hadn't had the technology
to actually view it.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
So now that we can, it's.
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Easy to assume and make make those high claims of
Like so you told you it's aliens definitely because it's
moving too slow, or definitely because it's moving too fast.
It's like, well, yep, yeah, it definitely. I'm not saying
it's a zero percent possibility. I just don't think it's
that high.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
So yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Don't know, Man, we'll see in what December, November if
we start being visited by some alien probes.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
I guess I don't know.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
We're not going to know that. So I mean, if
there's like another one that comes, well.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
I guarantee you there will be. I guarantee you there
will be, you know, because it's just we're going our
technology is going to advance exponentially. Just what's what we do,
So we do as human beings, and we're going to
find more stuff. It's coming in and out of our
solar system. It's just what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (46:40):
So I don't know. That's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 1 (46:44):
Yeah, I don't think they're aliens.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Yeah, I don't think so either. Well, listeners, tell us
what you guys think. Okay, So if you see this
on any sort of social media, let us know in
the comments below what the hell was amuah muha, what
the hell is through I Atlas, you know? Or if
you find some interesting information on that too. I I
can't remember, I'll have it in the show notes somewhere.
Let us know that too, because I really couldn't find
(47:09):
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And as always, remember just because you're paranoid doesn't mean
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