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The Paranormal Project Radio show. Carare your hosts Scott Allen and Christina Bowen.
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Hello everyone, and welcome back tothe Paranormal Project Radio Show. My
name is Scott Allen. I'm herewith my lovely co host Christina Bowen.
How are you, my friend?I am wonderful. How are you?
I'm good? I'm good. Youall ready for Christmas? No? Never?
Yeah, no, right up tothe last minute, right up to
the last minute, we've been Thisis the second show we've done today.
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We recorded our show for next week. We're going to have Jeff Blanger with
us, but we recorded that showtoday, so we're not going to be
live next week, but we're gonnahave a great show for you in between
Christmas and New Year, so youdon't want to miss that. But we
have two great guests tonight, theKling brothers, Barry and Brad from Texas
and they run the Lone Star Paraconand of course we know they had the
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show years ago, Ghost Lab,which they're known for, and uh,
we're going to bring them out herein a minute. So because we're going
to be there, you're going tobe there, and the girls are going
to be there and looking forward toall the activities that are going to be
going on down and down in thatneck of the wood. So Barry and
Brad come on out there, yougo, Hi, guys, how are
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you hey? Here? We aregood, good to see you again.
Thanks, thanks for coming back andbeing on with us, Thanks for having
us. Is this the first thefirst paracon that you put on the lone
Star? This is the first timeyou've put it on our technically No,
we did another one, what fivesix years ago, twenty eleven. We
call that one fanom Fest. Itwas downtown San Antonio, the whole thing
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at the Minger Hotel. But thisone where this is right in our hometown,
right where we grew up. Oh, this is now, this isn't
what's the name of the time,is it? Hirsh shirts? Shirts like
the shirts shirts yeap yeah, Germany, the s H and the Z.
Yeah. But it looks like it'sgoing to be a good time. I
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mean really, you got a lotof good guests lined up, and you
get the VIP stuff going on,and what can people expect if they if
they're showing up, well, ifhopefully you got on the VIP list.
I think the VIP sold out withinlike a week or two, I took
the last ticket. I think youdid. That's not now, I do
remember you did take the last tickets. They're the blame for everybody else that
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can. Sorry guys, you guysreally know how to do VIPs. I
mean, y'all, y'all don't dothis just a little bit. No.
I think that comes from us.We've been to VIP you know, being
other other events and VIP guests orwhatever, the lecturers or speakers, and
I've always uh, when we doours, I just want to get your
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bang for your buck, you know. I just you know, San Antonio,
the Texas hospitality on the river Walk, and we really want to showcase.
We have a lot a lot ofpeople coming from the North, people
that have never been to Texas andeven the West Coast. Even overseas.
We have people come from Australia,people coming from London that you know that
we want to show off Texas.So the VIP We're going to do it
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up right, you know, SanAntonio. Start, We're gonna take you
downtown on actual we have two fiftypassenger tour buses. We're gonna load up
in shirts. We're gonna take youdown first class. We're gonna go to
Costa Ria Mexican restaurant, which isa very famous actually the first restaurant on
the river Walk back when it wasbuilt back in the forty nineteen nineteen forty
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has been in existence, and thisplace is really cool. We're talking.
We're gonna Mariachi's there when you comeoff the bus, so welcome you to
San Antonio. We're gonna full spreadsthe heat a inch, a load of
buffet with bar drinks and having areally it all overlooks the Riverwalk. I
think hopefully the lights will still beup from Christmas. Uh, really pretty
down there. After we have ahuge meal, we're gonna stroll on out
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to the Riverwalk. Right there therestaurant, we're gonna have three river barges
pull up and they're gonna pick usup and take us on a city tour
on the river. You'll get tosee all the historical places and restaurants and
bars and see the lights and getthe story from the guide of what San
Antennia is all about. We'll comeback and it doesn't stop. We keep
going. We're gonna we're gonna walkfrom there about two blocks to the Alamo,
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and we're going to do a littlewalking ghost tour in Animal Plaza.
There's a few spots will go there, and then we're gonna get back on
the bus and there's a couple ofspots we're gonna stop on the bus that
are haunted and have world great stories. Brad and I'll be running that and
then we'll return the shirts on abouteleven o'clock at night, and then the
next day it all, it allkicks off on Saturday. Yeah, big
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party. Yeah, that's great.That's the VIP. Hopefully, like I
said, you got a ticket,hopefully you'll be there. We try to
cram as make people as we couldinto it, but we're only limited to
so many seats at the restaurant,right, so we had to taper it
off. That's that's our problem too, is a lot of time when we
when we put these VIPs out,you know, people want to do the
full thing. Because we're not weto our downfall. We may we don't
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really charge a lot for these things. It's like we we look at the
price and go, well, youknow, what's it gonna you know,
cover the cost and break even andand all that kind of stuff, and
people just eat them up. Andthen you know a lot of people get
upset. It's like, well,I want to do the vi P too.
Yeah, you got to jump onit fast. So we do have
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to cut it off, but wekeep adding things on. We're like,
hey, let's let's do a rivertour. Hey, let's do it downtown
tour. Hey, let's uh,you know, do all this kind of
stuff, and and and we justwe want people to have a good time,
Like Barry said, get the mostbang for your buck. But it's
it's definitely gonna be done up rightwhere we We've been the very a lot
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of these events where they have avi P and it's basically uh, you
know, maybe like a pizza dinnerand or something like that. It's like,
no, you are you are treatedlike a vi P on our our
events. I've been to one thatliterally they warmed up hot dogs and that
was the vi P meal. That'sour next year's event, hot Dogs on
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the River Walks. That's the li P event. The least important you
can start selling tickets to that,you know, like the event. Gosh,
Dana says high she said, asus I said, we harassed back,
so watch out. Yeah, thereyou go, there you go.
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What is the vibe in San Antonio? Is it more country Western or more
Southwest? What it was? I'venever been to that part of Texas.
Huge Hispanic culture here, and we'retwo hours from Mexico. We're considered south
central Texas. Huge. Santa isa huge medical place. It's a huge
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military town. We have like fivemilitary bases here in town. Lots of
recreation of the lakes, and wehave SeaWorld, we have Festa Texas.
We have a lot of pretty much. I think we'll be like top in
the top ten. I think ofthe number cities in the country in Texas.
Yeah, and then we're up there. But I mean, you want
to talk about a vibe. Youwant to talk that kind of vibe Hispanic
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and we have our honky Tonks andcountry Western places and stuff like that.
So it's probably a mix of thosetwo. Yeah, I was to put
my finger on it. Call it. We call it text Max. Even
the food you'll you'll get fairly authentic, but we call it text max,
right right right? It has atwist. Yeah, So Friday, is
that VIP tour that you're talking about, and that when does that start?
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Is that Is that just that's justin the evening, right, yeah,
just an evening. We'll we'll leavein a bus about five pm, get
down to the Riverwalk. We'll beeating from five forty five to seven forty
five, get on a riverbout abouteight that's about an hour cruise, and
then about nine nine to fifteen willstart the walking tour. Hopefully wrap ull
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be back eleven eleven twenty something backlike that. Back at shirts. We're
actually picking up and dropping off atthe convention Center where the Saturday event will
be taking place, so people willbe familiar with where to go the next
day that are VIPs and also theVIPs the next morning, they're actually going
to get exclusive access to the vendorarea from eight to nine, so they're
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going to get in an hour earlybefore the public. The public starts to
get in at nine, so fromeight to nine they'll have access to that
as well. On the lectures,part of that the IB ticket was the
lecture, the speaker a portion ofit. They're going to get front row
seating for that preferred seating. Sothat's kind of the run of the place
being a VIP, and then what'scool about Saturday events free it's free of
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the public. People come out andjust come check out the vendors, check
out the celebrities. Check out.We have authors and psychics and people selling
you know, jewelry and candles andjust smorgersborg of different things going on on
the vendor hall and as well.You can purchase vendor speaker only tickets for
forty dollars if you like to golisten to the speaker. So it's a
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low ticket item. It's nothing that'sgoing to break the bank. Allowing you
to come in for free because welike you to have money in your pocket
to spend on the vendors. Alot of these events would go to You're
spending sixty eighty bucks at the doorjust to get in, and you you're
like, now what, I gotno money to spend on anything. So
well, not only that, butif you have a family of five or
six, you know, you don'twant to be dropping three four hundred dollars
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for you know, tickets for everyone, and then you show up and then
you're really out of luck. Soyou know, family for nity, bring
your bring your you know, yourkids, your cousins, your We want
everyone in there for one If Idon't know if you've noticed this, but
a lot of paranormal stuff is typicallyin like the Northeast and the Midwest,
Like that's where a lot of theparanormal conventions and the paranormal like the locations.
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You don't see a lot of thatstuff down here in San Antonio.
So a lot of the people downhere don't get exposed to some of the
people they see on TV, Unlikethe Midwest and the Northeast para cons where
they're you know, they're there allthe time. And so and we have
we have a you know, amix of people. You know, it's
you know, you know, wehave like Jason Halles of course you know
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everyone knows knows him. But thenwe have the skin uh people of Skinwalker
Ranch guy, one of the guysthat's on Skinwalker Ranch and one of the
producers of Skinwalker Ranch. To talkabout that whole thing that was a very
popular show. We have an alienabductee who has the craziest story you've ever
heard, like crazy, believable story. Just I was just drawing in from
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the moment. I mean we've hadwe've actually had some experiences with him as
well of our own and uh,just another, just a wide variety of
and Richard E. Stepped author,He's going to be there with all his
books and just just a lot alot of varying type people and just a
lot of fun, a lot ofa lot of people that people around here
don't get exposed to. Yeah,it's going to be exciting. Great people
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are. It's generating excitement. Iknow your your vendor hall is going to
be packed. We are. Infact, it's so broad today we're two
booths away from being sold out.So we have about almost sixty booths,
have a huge banquet room, wehave a smaller side room. Uh,
it's completely fool. We have afull snack bar uh there for everybody that
you don't have to leave once youcome in there. You don't have to
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leave. The foods there, theentertainment's there, it's all there. We're
hold out the Saturday Night Investigation withShane Pittman and Aaron Sagers that sold out
a long time ago, the SolcisSisters Sunday. We're about halfway there.
We got about ten tickets left towell, we like to plug that for
Sunday. We're not just stopping Saturday. We're going all the way to Sunday,
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you can come down to what's calledthe we call the Boar Guard Mansion.
It's this huge mansion in the middleof King William District, which is
downtown, very old German uh neighborhood, huge houses, huge homes, a
lot of entertainment, but there's alot of bars and restaurants down the area.
Super Haunted. We've done several events, we've done the investigations there,
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We've done some You can see avideo on our actual website cleanbros dot Com
of the mansion of what it's allabout. In the store behind it.
Solcis Sisters are gonna be there thatSunday and they're gonna be demonstrating what they
do, talk about what they doas well as giving out healings and and
selling products and doing readings and thingslike that. Frank Yeah, yeah,
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so that will you hold your fingerup when you talk to him. And
we're gonna have some light foods andsome drinks and some beverages and it's gonna
be just a kind of relaxing metaphysicalevent. That's on Sunday. I think
it starts at eleven, it goestill two, but you have the option.
If you want to do a reading, if you want to do a
healing, if you want to dowhatever that they have the offer you can
stay afterwards and do that. Butthat's the Solsiale Sister Sunday. That's a
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separate ticket item. It's only twentyit's only twenty dollars or twenty five dollars.
We got ten tickets left, sowe want to fill that up here
pretty quick and that'll be sold outand then their vendors there there's no vendor
o no no no, no,no no no no, okay, this
is no sisters. You're welcome tocome out if they can tolerate you.
Scott a little bite you. Idon't know, you know, you can
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really get on your nerves. Imean thirty minutes and I'm already over.
No, I'm just kidding you.And one other thing that we were,
you know, after Christmas, Baronand I really to start pushing locally,
you know, to get the localpeople out for the free you know,
the free tickets and come in.But one of the things that this whole
thing is is any any profit thatwe make after all the expenses goes to
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special Olympics, and it goes tothe Special Olympics. That so Berry is
a special Olympics pe teacher in thelocal school district and he runs a Special
Olympics program there. So we're gonnawhatever money that we that we end up
having, we're going to give theirplus there are lone Star Para con T
shirts that are going to be madeby Barry. You can explain it better,
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but there's there's a group of specialneeds students and that's what they do
is they learn how to how tolike operate businesses and they learn how to
have jobs. They have T shirts. So you turn eighteen, you can
either graduate your special education. Youeither graduate it's like a traditional graduation,
or you stay on what's called theeighteen plus program. It's another four year
to for year program. You canstay until you're twenty two. It's a
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vocational or they teach you job jobskills. Uh. They teach you how
to do resumes, they teach youhow to live on your own. It's
kind of like this life skills thingwe all have already. Be honest with
you, they started a shirt makingbusiness. They have heat presses in the
whole nine yards and I thought,hey, I don't want to mess with
the T shirts. I don't wantto do it. So I threw I
threw the idea to them and theyjumped all over it. So we have
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a T shirts order, we havethe all the decals, and they're just
gonna get them. They're gonna pressthem, and they're selling them at the
event. They're gonna have a booththere and every bit of the money they
make from the shirts is going rightto their program which helps other vocational type
stuff. So we'll have Special Olympicathletes there. We'll have Special Olympics Texas.
They have a booth, they'll bethere. So it's like I said,
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it's for a good cause. Weare not making a dime from this
event. Everything we make profit wisewe'll go to Special Olympics. So you
have no excuse not to go.I think it's great. I think it's
great, and I hope people willshow out. I mean, you know,
Surets, that's not far from SanAntonio, obviously, it's got to
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be pretty close, about fifteen tenminutes from city city limit. Yeah,
so I mean there's people around.It's not like you're out in the middle
of nowhere. There's gonna go evenwhere we live. We suret's universal city,
Live Oaks. We are in ahundreds, huge, huge air.
We're talking thousands upon thousands of peoplelive in this area. It's almost like
if you didn't know anybody, youthink you're still in San Antonio, you
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never left. That's right on thirtyfive, which connects Austin in Dallas and
not right on the highway. Soit's we have a huge population right here
that could come to this thing.That's great. Oh excited. I've never
been to Texas for my first time, so I can't wait time Texas.
Huh. Never been to Textas now? And of course me I'm having the
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Okay, so settle a little privatedispute. Do I need cowboy boots or
not? No, we all owncowboy boots. When we don't wear them,
yeah you fit. I mean everyonehas them, for sure, everyone
has them, but they not everybodywears them. So but I'll tell you
what, in the winter time,you'll fit right in wearing cowboy boots,
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okay, because you know I don'tget an opportunity to wear them too much.
About the weather in January around hereis that you roll the dice,
it could be eighty degrees it couldbe thirty degrees. We don't know.
Oh wow, I have to watchthe webit. You know what are you
telling me? No for dangers inthe comment saying no, that's not a
word, I understand. No cowboyboots. No, you asked, you
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asked if we It's like if it'sa thing, it's not really I mean
in my in my circle, No, I don't hang out with it.
It depends on who you are.I mean, I have a circle of
frenzy. What you're doing the verynext Mama had some boots every day that
that week or two after the eventis our rodeo. Every February is our
rodeo. And yeah, then youcan wear everyone's got cowboy boots and cowboy
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hats. But you are required tohave some sort of insignia of tech is
on you at all times. That'sa law. I'll make a note.
Yeah, I bought my boots lasttime I was in Dallas, and you
know, of course, then Iwent back to New England with them and
finally get him away because you can't, that's it. But they looked so
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good in Dallas. I don't know. Yeah, so so and then Friday
night, no, no, Saturdaynight this isn't the investigation. Now that's
all sold out too. I gotit sold out. I remember. That's
at an old theater, an oldforties theater and Sagine text. It was
about twenty miles from from shirts.We've investigated a whole bunch. It's got
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a lot of activity there. Wegot about thirty five people going there,
and we kept the numbers small.And I say sold out, We're not
packing one hundred people in there.Kind of sent around shoulders. So you're
literally gonna have the chance to investigateand do it in a nice confined,
you know, small group way.But yeah, that's a that the it's
called the Palace Theater. There's alittle bit of a video I think on
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our website about that as well,that you can actually book that yourself.
People are interested, Uh, yougo through us. You can actually rent
out the place for your own,your own group of the Boreguard mansion,
you know, you can rent thatout as well. That place looks gorgeous.
I can't wait to see it.It's pretty cool. It's a pretty
cool place. And you guys dida great video that goes into the history
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of the location. Because there's beenseveral confirmed ds there. Yeah, we
And what's funny is very Bary andI were the actually the ones that uncovered
all of the history of that place. They didn't even know it. It's
it's it's owned by some guy inIreland who who uses it when he comes
to town for what He has businessin San Antonina, So whenever he comes
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to town he stays there, right, Well, all the other times it's
just managed by a company who theyjust kind of you know, the upkeep,
make sure that it doesn't burn down, and you know, the mail
is all that kind of stuff.Yeah, they would have guests spend the
night there, and more times thannot they would be leaving in the middle
of the night telling them, youknow, X, Y and Z happened.
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You know, my hair was pulled. I saw this thing and they
and they left, and they hadno idea why. So they asked,
I'll forget how you met him,Barry, but his wife, his wife
was a teacher with my wife.Yeah, that's right, So it's her
husband. That's how we how wehooked up. And so whenever people they
go, oh, you're the you'reyou know the Kling brothers, right,
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you're the the ghost hunting guys.Can can you have them come down?
And so we did. We wentdown and checked it out and we were
there five o'clock in the afternoon andsome major stuff happened. So we started
looking up and we found out allthe history about the you know, the
the two confirmed deaths in the house. One was a child, uh child
labor death, and the other onewas a was a suicide, a gunshot
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to the head and the same family. No one knew that, but it's
right there in the records that wepulled up and and it was just bizarre.
But yeah, that's that we haveaccess to that house to be able
to rent it out to other peoplefor the entire weekend for really really cheep
too for a mansion, really cheap. Bo. Yeah, if you're interested,
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you can go on our website andlike you can you can email us
about the mansion if you want tobook it. If you're interested. We've
had people come from all over theUnited States to come down there and check
it out and stay there. Plus, like Barry said, not only is
it the haunted mansion, you getthat experience, but it's in a real
trendy area where you can walk aroundthe corner and go to an extra restaurant
or a bar, or it's reallyreally cool location. We need to plan
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another trip. I know I'm herethinking what months do I have opened yet?
Right right, I'm telling you,I'm telling you yeah, And you
know, you get kind of tiredof being in the Northeast. I mean,
everything is different out here. It'sit's okay. I mean, we
have places, but it's nice toget out somewhere else and experience things you've
not seen before. You know,well, fingers crossed, that there's no
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bad weather up where you're at.Nobody can give That's why we're bringing everybody,
all our guests, is that we'reflying them here a day early,
just in case we have or whatever. So I don't think the problem be
here. We might have a problemelse for it, but hopefully it all
works out, fingers crossed. I'mflying on Thursday, and I'm hoping,
you know, because really nothing starts. It's a late Friday, So I'm
hoping, you know, if Ican get out on Thursday, and if
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I've started looking at the weather,I'll leave Wednesday. You know, you
get the show on your own onWednesday. That reminds me, are you
we're going to talk about it here. Yeah, she's driving. She's not
going to be doing a show onWEDNDAYO is going to drive. They don't
let me. That's true. That'strue. My fellow sister Kathy is coming
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and we're going to road trip it. It's gonna take us like two days
to get there, so it's gonnabe fun. I'm sure there'll be lots
of interesting stories from that trip.It's a long drive. I mean,
it's a full solid two days fromhere. I considered it, but I
can't drive alone two days in thecar, two or three days. I
don't think I would want to dothat. Yeah, we're down here in
Meo, Texas. It's a thousandmiles east to west, one thousand miles
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north of south. So once youhit the Texas border from where you're coming
from the north, you still haveanother six hour drive before you get down
to where we're at. Yeah,it's almost like driving from Massachusetts to Florida,
you know, really down the wholeEastern seaboard. It's crazy. It's
a big thing. And here Ithought driving across Tennessee was a lot,
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but no, Texas is way bigger. My son's hot is in Dallas,
Fort Worth, and I said,you know, why don't you come out,
and you know, because we haven'tseen each other in forever, and
so I think she's going to come. I mean, she's talking about wanting
to be there. She says,well, it's like four hours. You
can have four hours. That's notbad, like she Oh, she can
get in for free, you know, yeah, right right, it's a
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deal. Yeah. We compare everythingto drive distance where you say how long
does it take, Well, it'slike driving from here to Houston, or
that's like driving from here to Dallasand people we know exactly how long that
takes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is this will be
fun though, this will be fun. And then everything wraps up. So
the convention's just one day. Thepara CON's just that one day, the
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investigation at night. Then you've gotthe Boorder Guard event on Sunday, right,
and that's it, and that's hourson the vendor is. Nine to
six is the vendor hall. Eightto nine will be the VIP admission.
And then we also have at thevery end of our speaker, which is
another ticket, is our our friendDakota Lawrence, who's a psychic medium.
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He's from Streetporta. He's gonna behere, he's gonna do a gallery reading,
and those tickets are on sale forhis guy. He'll be the very
last slot on the speaker slot.But it takes a fifty dollars ticket to
go to his gallery reading. Sohe'll also have a booth you can meet
him. And he's a he's afunny guy. He's been friends with us
for a real long time. Sothat's great. We need to put those
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tickets as well. Hopefully next monthwe'll get them going. So yeah,
and that has a separate link.When you go to SO the website is
www. You just go, yeah, just go. You don't have to
have the WS just has cling brosk l I n G E b r
O s dot com. You geton the main page, you'll see a
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bunch of event posts of all thedifferent events we'll be at. Click on
the lone Star Para Con event andyou'll see all the tickets sol SAE Sisters
gallery reading. You'll see it soldout on the on the investigation, I
took the sold out ones down.Okay, has all the has all the
guests pictures in their bios and whothey are. Has the hotel link on
there. We amount to beef up. We've already sold like shoot thirty rooms
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something like that, so we're gonnaput another block out there. But there's
a link on the website to goand get the special discount rate. And
this too, because when we goto convincement and they put us up at
hotels, sometimes the hotel is inthe middle of nowhere. There's nothing around.
From this hotel. You can walkacross the parking lot and go to
a Chili's. You can walk acrossthe parking lot go to Sonic or slot
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Skis. There's Talkers Avana, BillMiller Barbecue, everything that's store right there.
I love that because you're right manytimes these places and they're in the
middle of nowhere and there's absolutely nothingand there's no door dash, so what
do you Right down the street fromthe convention So it's about two miles maybe
at the most, Yeah, todry but it's not. It's the same
city, same area. And I'msure this parking at the conventions, I
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mean like plenty of parks are huge. Yeah, it's a huge parking area.
And the convention centers I don't know, ten to fifteen years old.
I mean it's not very old.It's a nice place. We're gonna have
full audio visual, all the allthe gadgets in the speaker area we're gonna
have. It's very comfortable. Allthe vendors will have their own tables.
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We bought. We just bought sixtylike fitted tablecloths. Table, We got
pipe and draping. It's it's aprofessional looking event, hopefully, you know,
when you walk in, if nobodycomes, at least it's gonna look
good. We'll take pictures. Imsure it'll be great though, I'm sure
it'll be great. You know,in Texas where you are, do they
you know, you talk about yourfriend doing a gallery reading. Is that
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a big thing? I mean,do people go to those things regularly or
is that sort of less common righthere or not? Really? We have
talk about fan Infest back in theday when we did that, we actually
had chip Coffee was here. Hedid a gallery reading. It went over
really well. But usually galleries it'salways like if someone comes here for an
event, you don't really see alot of that around here. They do
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have metaphysical shops in town, andit is a thing, but you just
don't you know, don't see thosetypes of events or down here at all.
It's really interesting because like where Iam now, I've got several of
them booked, you know, galleryevents that I've got booked, and and
you know, you'll sell fifty sixtytickets to say something like that. But
then you go to Pennsylvania and youknow, so my tickets run between forty
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and sixty depending upon like if you'rea VIP or if you're just a you
know, general admission kind of thing. But if you go to Pennsylvania,
I'm doing Haunted Hillview Manor in June, and they get like twenty five dollars
a ticket because they can't sell thembecause that you know, people don't people
don't pay money for these. It'slike that area. It's like that with
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us. We'll go do an eventand price it what we think is right,
and it just sells out. We'llgo do another event. It might
even be cheaper and doesn't do nothing. I mean, it's just it's the
flavor of the month. And butjust the people. You just cannot read
people's minds about what they want todo or what they want. And like,
like it said, the Galveston event, we had we had one out
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there and we I won't say cancer, We're gonna put the postponent. But
we sold like one ticket and it'sa very very when we sold forty fifty
tickets last year Galveston, but itwas just you got it. It's all
science around Christmas things like that.People you know. Yeah, yeah,
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and oh sorry, Christina. Ijust say, you guys really know how
to put on an event. Iwas at the Shenandoah event last June and
was just blown away. I mean, you lay everything out and there's tons
of stuff to do. Food isalways fabulous, you know, the guests
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are fabulous, and I love,I absolutely adore that you're not packing in
as many bodies as you can shoveinto a location. It's just the right
number where you keep it small enoughwhere everybody can interact. You can interact
with your celebrities, which is alwaysI mean, that's what a lot of
people come out for, is tospend some time and reb elbows with these
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people and get to know them alittle bit. And you guys actually provide
an opportunity to do all of thatin a smaller environment. And I love
that. Well, I'm glad,I'm glad you say that you thought that
Shenandoah last year was small because Barryand I actually thought that was big.
We're cutting that in half this year. So oh my, half the amount
of people that you were last lastyear, and it's and we're gonna be
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doing We're actually and we're actually doingmore. We're doing more this year with
less people. I can't wait.I loved that. I talked to everybody
with ears about that event. Ihad so much fun. It was a
cool event. That was our first. We've been there before, but just
as just tourists. And that's whenwe got the idea. We met the
Odor and they were all over aus do this and it it was probably
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our best event we've ever done.That's why we like we're doing it again.
So this June sixth, seventh,and eighth, we're going back at
Shenandoah in Gorgesville doing it again.We have this time, Tim Shaw is
going to be there again. Wehave Richard E. Step coming this time
with us. We're only doing onetour bus, not to to two tour
buses. We're going to three differentbattles fields versus two. We have an
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investigation at the Exchange Hotel. SaturdayNight's party ticket and then we haven't even
announced this yet, but the Thursdaynight prior, we're actually going to investigate
Trevillian Station Battlefield, which is whereone of the largest cavalry battles have Dredge
Custer was actually, so we actuallyhave access to George Custer, George Custer's
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headquarters house to investigate as plus therows the grounds. So that's gonna be
an extra ticket. I think it'slike a sixty five dollars. We don't
really project by sixty five dollars.We're only taking twenty people on that one
with us on this one too.Gypsy Jewel, who's a good friend of
our. Nobody really knows she is. She's a she'll be at our January
event. She is a metal detectingexpert. She's been on the Oak Island
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Show, She's been on the differentdifferent other shows as an expert. She
lives here in Texas. We've we'vedone a couple of events with her.
She's actually coming out there to joinus us and just kind of talk about
what she does finding relics and thingslike that. She's also into the paranormal,
so she's gonna be there with usthis time, join us. So
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it's it's gonna be fun. It'sgonna be I hate to do it to
people that I feel bad, butwe jam pack a lot of stuff and
a very small amount of time.So it's go, go, go,
go go. But you know,while we're there, we want to take
advantage of all these things, likewe're going to Wilderness Battlefield, Pennsylvania Battlefield,
Chancellersville Battlefield. This time. Foodwon't be as foo fu, it
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won't be as Brad and I areactually gonna get the aprons on and we're
grilling dogs and burgers for everybody.So there's a hot dogs. Yes,
there's a hot dog. Ye.We're gonna do it upright and cook for
everybody and make it more of abarbecue, backyard barbecue type of fuel.
Oh, I still have access thatnight. You can still investigate the seventeen
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hundreds mansion that was there on theproperty. Oh, that place was great.
Yep. So that's all available tous as well. So there's all
a lot of them, a lotmore investigations this time around, and you
know, in a few more battlefields. So we were but less people.
So now is that still on sale? I mean the sale you can go
to it's called Shadows of Shenando.There's a poster on our website, clean
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grows dot com. We only haveabout twenty left. We saw we are
sold twenty. Really we're we're shootingfor forty, but we might stop at
thirty. I don't know. Wekind of have a breakoff point to maybe
break even. But forty is themax. Last year we had eighty five.
Oh wow, eighty five people likethat? It really well, I
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guess because you guys had to splitup into two buses, two buses and
it wasn't hard. Yeah, itwasn't bad. But I just it's easier
to manage with just a smaller group. And I'm used, Like you said,
you just get more out of it. I love talking. If I
could be another job, I'd bea tour guy. That's what I want
to do, a Civil War tourguide. And and I I that's that's
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my that's my moment is doing that, the tour and stuff that we did
because they, of course we haveour grandfather fought in those battles, and
that's kind of when we tie thatpersonal touch into those doors. We're actually
going to where they fought. Sois Tim Shaw? Ye? His was
it his grandfather. Yeah you remember, yeah, Yeah, So they faced
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each other on the battlefield line theline yea wilderness battlefield if you've ever been
there. There's an area there wherea lot of that happened. And we
found out through the ranger and throughjust research. His grandfather was on one
side, my grandfather was on theother side, and they were literally in
the front line of those sides andwe're literally shooting at each other. In
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fact, his father, his grandfatherwas wounded. He took a he took
a musketball right in the belt buckle. He actually has the belt buckle that
could have my grandfather could have shotthat. We don't know, you know,
it is possible, right, Soit's bizarre. We found that out
while we're there, you know,it's like, what's why. It was
really kind of emotional to watch asyou guys like talked about where and went
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to the spots on the field,and it added an extra element. Yeah,
we're just totally into the family thing. And just to stand where our
grandfather stood one hundred and sixty yearsago, it is pretty I mean right
where he stood, not just ohhe's in this area, he stood right
right here. Yeah, So that'spretty cool. I also found on that
trip my wife's grandfather fought. Shewas also Confederate. He fought in the
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same field on the opposite side ofmy granda, my grandfather. So here
we are. My wife's grandfather's there, my grandfather's there. We're there,
we're having a good time, andwe're gonna reenact that battle. We're gonna
shoot each other next, you know, when we go back to there you
go. It seems like we thinkabout it. The implications is one bullet
to the head, we're not here, we're not there, and something like
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that, and it's like it justthe butterfly effect of all of that is
uh, surreal, It really is. I mean when you look at the
big picture and then meeting and comingtogether, so not only are you here,
but meeting and going back basically throughtime to walk on the field where
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everything took place is crazy. Andyou know, I've never been. Never
you're going to June, I needto know. The only reason I haven't
booked my ticket yet is because Iget back from Pennsylvania. I have the
event on the first, and Isupposedly have another event on the seventh in
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Maine, but it's not gone outit's not gone up for sale yet,
and it could it could be movedat this point, you know what I
mean. It could be moved atthis point. So I need to cancel
it. I can say for afact, you'd have a lot of fun
on this trip. I'm sure Iwould. I'm sure I will. You
know, I do need to.I need to reach out to Chris and
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the guy that the other medium,and I'm doing the event with them.
Just see if we can't move itanother week or two. Yeah, there's
no excuse because I think the weeka week or so after that, Brad,
it hasn't really been announced. We'regoing to Australia. Yeah, we
had the land down Under for anevent, so spilled the t. Tell
us the guy, the guy that, the guy doing it. We went
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there about eight years ago. Wedid an event there and we made good
friends with this guy. He he'llbe there. He'll be at the event
in January. Him and his wife, Sing's built to bone. His wife's
wife sold also psychic medium. Shedoes a lot of police work and stuff
in Australia. But he's gonna we'reworking out the We already got the dates.
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We already got the locations. Nothing, nothing announced, nothing's announce but
we are, I would say ninetyfive percent going to Australia in late June.
You got Scott. No, No, I don't well, and you
know, I'm going to be inNaples in February and then we're off to
New Orleans right afterwards. So Ido have a ten year old at home.
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I have to tend to once ina while, you know, a
little food and water. Yeah,you know, that's it. Yeah,
it's all good. It's all good. My young and turned out fine.
You know. They eventually scroll leaveto wox and cheeze it to the cas
of soda. You know, Ithink like Boy magazine and you're all set.
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Maybe not yet, not a coupleof years, I guess. I
don't know. Oh, I can'ttake you anywhere. No, not usually.
We have a good time, though, we have a good time.
Yeah, because I actually said toChristina, I said, why don't you
come with me to Pennsylvania and thenwe'll just keep driving. We'll go to
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Shenandoah right afterwards. I'm getting avisit from Dana and which I didn't realize
at the time. Yeah, that'sall right. I need to get home.
In between anyway, you know,it's all I think one's looking forward
to my fried chicken anyhow, So, yeah, what's cool about that event?
Up, there's not just our event, Like we hung over. We
took a whole family last last summerand we went to Washington, d C.
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We you know all the different wasit Madison's house. We go to
Monticello and and we just did alot of like touristy stuff around that we
never really can see while we're therebecause it's I mean, you're in the
hub. You talk about history.I mean you're in the middle of every
revolutionary war or Yeah, so there'sa lot of things to do there,
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really is. I know we didthat. We took a day and hit
a couple of the historic sites aroundthere. Now I'm not gonna lie.
I'm terrible with history and I won'teven pretend to know where I went so
because I just humiliate myself if Itried to say. But it was really
really awesome just to see the historyand how well it's preserved. That's really
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cool. Yeah, I went toMonticello in Washington's house and where. Yeah,
you know I've done that, butI was I was probably like ten
or twelve, So I don't reallyyou know, none of that really had
the same It hasn't changed very muchsince it's been there since the seventh.
No, Washington's still dead, youknow, that hasn't changed at all.
But no, But I mean asan adult, I think you can appreciate
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it more and the significance of it. And certainly not the hot Dad's joke.
He said, you know why Washingtonwas buried on a hill? Why
because he's dead, because he's Ilove dad jokes. I could listen all
day. Yeah, my son,not so much. You know something I've
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always wondered, how did you guysget started in all of this? Because
we all have an origin story.That's a bad story. Well, how
much time? How much time?Again, let's see how quick this story
a million times? Barry knows it, but I can hear him telling the
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same story almost verbatim to other people. But it starts back officially when I
was like seventeen years old, andI was at Gettysburg of all places,
and this is why we're so fastwith Gettysburg. But it was it was
in the summer. I was summerbetween my junior and senior year in high
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school. My I was the lastof four kids. I'm the youngest.
Barry was in the Navy in Miamiat the time, down in Homestead.
So my parents go, hey,let's do a let's do around the country
road trip. We'll wander down toHomestead. Eventually we'll visit Barry, we'll
come back home, you'll start yoursenior year whatever. Say cool. I'm
a big history buff. So westop at all the historical places along the
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way, Gettysburg and Philadelphia and Williamsburgand like all that kind of stuff.
Well, the Gettysburg trip, wewere on our way out of town.
It was in the middle of theday, middle in July, clear blue
sky is probably nude or one o'clock, so it's not like it was nighttime
or anything. I see this groupof Union soldiers right cruising across the field.
So I tell my dad say,hey, stop the trucking me jump
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out. I'm gonna go. Ihad the big VHS video camera, so
I'm gonna go videotape them, becauseI was kind of doing like a video
log of the whole trip. Andso I got out there and I start
filming, and then as soon asI passed them by they're gone on the
video, like through the through thevideo screen, and you go like this,
they're gone. And I go backand I'm looking and they're they're nowhere
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to be found. There's no waythey could have got on my side.
I look back on the videotape onthe little playback and they're sure enough they're
there. So at that moment,I was like, Okay, there's no
way. There's no way that couldhave happened. It's my personal proof of
the paranorle. We we get downto Miami, I showed Barry. Barry's
kind of like, oh, that'scool. And So for the next I
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don't know, ten or fifteen years, I started researching a lot of the
stuff. Then when I get intocollege after I'm sorry, After I graduated
from college, I get a jobwhere I travel a little bit. So
every city I go to, Iwent on a little like local ghost tour
that had and or a historical tour. I was in San Francisco, so
I went out to Alcatraz on anevening tour and I stopped at a radio
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shack along the way and I gota little digital lottery recorder. Because the
TV shows were just starting to comeout at that times, around two thousand
and five, two thousand and six, and maybe a little bit earlier.
But anyway, as luck would haveit, I was able to be in
the solitary confinement area by myself becausethere was a problem with the boat and
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so everyone's down in the dock withthe rangers. Let me stay up and
just like kind of cruise around.I got I did recordings, and on
the three recordings in the same session, I got three different things. I
got these voices that were coming across. But I'm thinking to myself, this
is this is too this is tooeasy. I don't know what this is
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the magical little digital record I don'tknow what was happening. I showed Barry.
He was hooked. I said,hey, you know, let's go
out and let's investigate some places aroundhere and do that kind of stuff.
He had a little the digital videocamera. I had the audio recorder.
That was it. We were outand investigating. We brought some of our
friends together, we formed the EverydayParanormal Team, and then it was I
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mean months later we were doing museumsand television stations, and the word got
out of what we were doing aroundhere and then you know that the TV
caught wind and that that whole storyis history. But we literally formed in
two thousand and seven, October twothousand and seven, and we were on
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TV. We had the deals.We well, we were approached first April
two thousand and nine when we signeda one thousand and nine, but July
two thousand and eight, so fromOctober two thousand and seven we were contacted
for the television stuff by the producersin July two thousand and eight. So
that's it was a whirlwind of Wow, that is a whirlwind. Yeah,
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But there wasn't as much out thereback then, not like there is now.
You know, we were one Wewere the original four of the major
network. So there was Ghost Hunerson Sci Fi, there was Ghost of
Ventures on Travel Channel, there isan almost Stayed on A and E,
and there was Us on Discovery.It was that was those were the four
shows. And I watched all fours. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
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mean back then, I remember,you know, talking with someone who did
this, you know back probably rightin that period of time. And and
and I don't think there were reallyplaces to go that you could rent out
to go and investigate. I thinkpeople used to sneak into buildings and you
know, if they were lucky enoughto find something, a lot of cold
phone calls and a lot of people, hey I know this other guy,
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you know that thing right. See, for me, my first love was
residential work is what I loved.I didn't get into, you know,
doing like the prisons and the bigasylums and stuff like that until many many
years later. So but really fromhome, Yeah, we did a lot
of and we still doom time totime. We just did a house a
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year ago here in Church, sothey still pop up every once in a
while, do you It's it's notwe're not out like seeking it or looking
for it, but like you know, we had a realtor friend that was
having problems with the house he wasrenovating, and he got a hold of
me and we went out there,just me and Brad and my wife and
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uh Lisa of our group, andwe just put our cameras up. We
left for like two hours and wentto dinner and came back and did some
other work. Really nothing was goingon, but we caught it, I
mean, a pretty cool shadow figure. When we were gone, nobody was
in the house. So uh,that's how we roll. We just we
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throw out the cameras and we goeat Mexican food and come back and find
there you go, there you go. And we were just down at an
abandoned the hospital a couple of weeksago. Someone hired us for their birthday
party. They want to go downthere and finally have a ghost experience.
And we met them down there andwe went through you know we're doing because
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I actually like left so hard thesprite came out my nose. I was
watching your live. I think youguys referred to yourselves as the birthday Ponies.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were really nice people,
and they you know, it's it'sthey just you know, they see the
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TV shows and they they just don'tknow what to do. In fact,
they think that, you know,profusely by saying, you know, man,
we would not have known to dohalf the stuff. They would have
gone into that abandoned hospital just satthere and go, I don't know what
to do. You know, it'sthat official playbook of what to do.
But you know, there's a there'sa method to the madness sometimes mm hmm.
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It was a typical investigation. Itwasn't like a bunch of stuff.
We had a few few occurrences,a few weird things happened and things like
that. Yeah, but it wasjust I told this is this is a
typical investigation. This is you know, this is how it goes. It's
pretty boring and then it you know, a couple of a couple of minutes
of excitement and then you know that'sit. Yeah, sometimes it's a spook
factor, you know what I mean, Just what are you going to see?
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You know, it's wondering, it'sjust cookie play. It's just an
old Catholic uh run hospital. Thenuns lived there and the priests lived there,
and just it's pretty spooky. Itlooked pretty cool though from the pictures
that you guys shared and everything.Yeah, it was a good time.
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That's great. So we have aboutfive minutes left, believe it or not.
Time here when you're having a goodtime. So we want to make
sure people know how they can getyour events clean. Bros kl I n
g ebros dot com. And iseverything there? So Shenandoah is there,
and the Lone Star Para con isthere, and everything is coming and we
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even have a merchandise that we havehats and beanies and decals we sell.
There's also uh like we'll be atthe Battle of the Gaysburg Battlefield Bash will
be at the paraschon up Ahay inMay. That's that's on our website.
You can go there and buy ticketsfor that. Of course our Shenando events
there and of course our lone starPara con. So yeah, it's a
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one stop shop. Everything that wedo we put on our website. We
do it all as well on Facebook. We get more traffic on our website
than anything, so we we liketo keep it updated. Brad Brad handles
all that stuff. But yeah,anything and everything. You would know what
we're doing. We just go tothe Clingbros dot com. When is Gettysburg
Do you know? Gettysburg Bash isthe last weekend of July I believe.
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Okay, I was gonna say,I thought it was over the summer.
Yeah, it's July twenty seventh orsomething like that. But we might even
go a little earlier, maybe dosome Rowan personal stuff while we're there,
and then well then we'll do theevent. So we've never done that event
before, but looking forward to That'sanother charity event, is it? Yeah?
The sponsors I think Wooded Warriors,veteran tyche stuff good Steve, Steve
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Berry and Pamela Berry. They they'rethe ones that run it and there.
We've been to a cup. We'vebeen to the Lookout House I used to
own. We did an event there. We've been to the Hoover House,
which is about forty minutes from Gettysburg. We did an event there. So
they're very steeped in the paranormal.Didn't you just do an event? Yeah,
we're there. Dana was there,Yeah, Dana was We did that
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back, you know, and timShaw was there, and we did we
did the whole three day battle uhevent, you know, like tour on
a bus, and then we actuallydid an experiment. We did an audio
experiment on pickets charge and then wecame back that night and went over audio.
We actually caught musket fire that timShaw actually was shouting commands and on
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command we got really heavy musket fire. So it was it was successful event
and a successful experiment and everyone hada great time. That was the No.
One We only took twenty people.We saw twenty. That's it.
We stopped it at twenty people.I find that fascinating though I've heard that
you know the phantom fire. Ohyeah, we got we have cannon fire.
We have We've caught the rebel Yaleon audio. We've caught drum beats
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on audio. We get a lotof stuff at Gettysburg. That's kind of
what That's kind of what started thewhole finding our relatives was from panel investigating
in Gettysburg. We caught something atDevil's Den with the grandfather from Virginia.
He was he fought in Gettysburg aswell, and that's where we first found
out that we even had a grandfatherthat fought. Yeah, we caught some
stuff at Devil's Den, which oneof our favorite places, and kind of
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find out that's where he fought.He was at Devil's Den, that's where
he was. So you know whatkind of just surprises me. And I
was saying it before that it's yourgrandparents. I mean, I think of
my my grandparents. You know nowI'm almost sixty. My grandparents were in
the it's my it's my three timesgreat great great grandfather. Oh no,
that makes complete sense to me.Okay, all right morning, and my
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father was in nineteen twelve, sogotcha. I'm like I was like,
man, either that or great greatthird great grandfather great all my mom's song.
That makes complete sense. Okay,got it because I'm thinking your org.
Yeah, it's goot my fifty mygrand my grandfather is one hundred and
eighty years old. Now, yeah, you can see him January. Then
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let's start parenting. Yeah, datajust said Berry and Brader fifties, one
hundred and fifties. Yeah. Imean, math is not my strong subject,
but I got to, you know, madding it up and it's well,
I don't know if it's the photokfor what, but you look fabulous.
Yeah, well that's good. Yeah, that's right. Telling you always
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a fun time with you guys.Hey, if you're coming to on Star
parent Scott's gonna be there. Hehas a booth, and the Social Sisters
they all have their booths and they'llbe doing things and the Social Sister Sunday.
We want to sell out those ticketsas well because all goes to a
great cause. So get your tickets. If you don't want to buy a
ticket, just come on down andthen come enjoy the day. Hello,
absolutely, and then check out someof the other events too. I got
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a call about that day in June. See if I can. Yeah,
you're gonna, We're gonna. We'regonna guilt you into it, so there's
no guilt necessary. Well, Idefinitely want to go. I tell you.
Deborah Wilson, our friend Devor Wilsonis going to be there at the
event January excellent. She will makeyou buy a ticket. She's that good.
She is. All right, guys, I got a hard wrapper.
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Kling Brothers, and thank you Christina. Have a good ye everybody. Take
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