Lauren Hellekson

Lauren Hellekson has been traversing the realms of spirituality for over 15 years. An endeavor that has taken her to places all over the world including Israel, Ireland, Spain, and India where she studied and certified in yogic practices, and later attuning to reiki master as part of a spiritual based journey in her mid to late 20s. Her technical interests in how things work in the physical world, on the other hand, developed at a very young age; from dismantling old IMB computers with her dad, to rebuilding the carburetor in her first motorcycle, to improving the equipment we use in the paranormal field, she is always observing and creating in some capacity. Also a published author and speaker, Lauren has held educational workshops and lectures on witchcraft, meditation, metaphysical exploration, and more recently, improving understanding and applications of equipment in the paranormal.
She sells her modernized Victorian occult inspired equipment, using theoretical methods of energy documentation related to the electromagnetic spectrum and static electricity, often used in paranormal investigation world wide on the Ghost Hunter Store, and in person at vendor shows throughout the east coast and midwest United States

Episode Transcript

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The Paranormal Project Radio Show. Thereare your hosts, Scott Allen and Christina

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Bowen. Hello everyone, and welcomeback to the Paranormal Project Radio Show.
I am your host Scott Allen andChristina is off for the night. We
have actually pre recorded this episode becausemy son has a band concert and he's

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ten years old and I wasn't goingto miss it for anything. So our
guest today was gracious enough to comein a few days ahead of time record
the show for us. Next weekwill also be a recorded show because we
are going to San Antonio for theLone Star paricn so we will be there
and so a couple of weeks ofrecorded shows and then we're right back at

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it again. So our guest todayis Lauren Hellickson. And for those of
you who don't know who Lauren is, you may have seen her beautiful crystal
crystal pods out and about in thein the ghost hunters world, and I'm
going to bring her out here injust a second. We're going to chat
about that and how she got intoall of this metaphysical ghost hunting stuff.

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And I was really you know,I knew she was going to be on
the show. Christina booked her awhile back, and then I was lucky
enough to meet her in Salem,Massachusetts at the Salem Para Con. So
we had a nice time to chatabout all of these things and I got
to see her beautiful pods in person. So, without further ado, come
on out, Lauren. How areyou? Lauren? So I'm I'm so

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great. How it's so good tobe here, and how are you?
I'm doing great. Thank you somuch for rushing back and being on the
show with me today. You know, like all this stuff that happens behind
the scenes, but it's all good, it's all good. We did it.
We did it, we did it. So I have to ask you
before we get into all this stuffbecause I'm really I'm really excited to talk

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to you about your stuff. Butyou are going to be doing something at
Haunted Hillview Manor in Pennsylvania, right, you have something's going on? Is
it a class? It's in July, and it's it's exciting because it's my
first it's my first like sort offeature event where I get to be like

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the face of the event. AndI'm very excited about it because I've always
great. Yeah, I'm super superexcited. I started a workshop this year.
I build a crystal pods, andI had recently put a video on
YouTube about how you could build yourown proximity sensor if you know, for

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a very you know, it's likeunder fifty dollars, you could build your
own. It's really easy, justto sort of show people that you don't
have to have all of this moneyin order to buy all sorts of fancy
equipment to sort of explore the unknown. So it's just a little step in
the direction of empowering people. ButI turned it into a workshop, so

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I will travel and I'll bring They'recalled prox kits, so it's a kit
that I put together for you thatyou are able to learn about the internal
components, the circuitry on the inside, and how the proximity works. Because
all of the proximity sensors work inthe exact same way, doesn't matter what
their name is, it doesn't matterwhat the price is, if it's a

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rempod, if it's a crystal pod, they all work in the same way.
And then this way, you don'thave to know how to solder,
you don't have to glue anything.You don't have to know you know,
the inner workings of circuitry to buildthis, and you end up with a
really cool piece of equipment that youcan use, you know, however you

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want. And by no means myfirst workshop, but definitely my first sort
of like feature is going to beat Hillview Manor in July, and I'm
so excited. I love you exciting. So if they get one of these
kids, they don't have to doany of that. It comes with all
the circuitry and everything together and thenwhat they just put it together or so.
Yeah, So in the workshop,the kid that you get is something

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that I make the kits, Ipre drill all the holes, I bring
all the tools that you're going toneed, and they What a lot of
people don't understand is both the rempod, the crystal pod, any any trigger
alarm, proximity sensor that detects electromagneticradiation are all modified from either a trigger

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alarm or a theoremon musical instrument.Which that's a super fun fact if if
you're not familiar with what a theoremonis. They were there were very popular
between like the twenties and the fifties. You've heard them a lot in really
like old school horror horror movies.But it's it's like that yeah stuff.

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Yeah, and it was actually modifiedbecause how it works is it works with
the humans, with the human withyou humans, with the bodies, naturally
naturally radiating electromagnetic radio because we emitelectromagnetic radiation. And it has two antennas.

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One antenna is the tone and theother antenna is volume, and so
you you switch around the tone,you do the volume, and it's this
it's very cool to watch. ButDOS which is the dos rempod, the
black with the red top, it'sa circle all the different lights actually just

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took that instrument and created what weknow as the rempod. And yeah,
and it is. You can buyJunior Theorem and kits on Amazon and you
can you know, make your owndos rempod in that way. All the

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components are the exact same. Theyjust manufacture the circuit boards themselves now.
But uh mine the Crystal Pod it'sa it's just a modified trigger alarm.
So it's an alarm that you hangover your doorknob, metal doorknob, and
if somebody were to come up tothe door from the other side, it
detects they radiation and it sets itoff. And I just I know,

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isn't it so fun? And Ijust modified it and designed the art that
goes around it and used just morelike materials, Like you know, I
practice a lot of I have alot of spiritual practices, so I wanted
to incorporate that mysticism into it aswell. So I have all of the

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elements, well at least earth,fire, air, and water all incorporated
into each pod. So it hasthat sort of mystical occult vibe from like
the roots of paranormal and then ithas the more technical circuitry and electronics on
the inside. So that's that's wherethat all came from. So the prox

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kits are that alarm that I havepre drilled. I bring you all the
tools, and I was able tocreate a way that you can build it
without using you know, glue orsoldering or anything. And so I walk
you through the steps on how tobuild it yourself, and then we like
decorate them and things like that too. But in the process you learn all
this, you learn how it works, you learn why it works, and

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and you get to build one.And it's the coolest thing. Do yours
light up? I don't remember ifthey light up? They do. They
do. I I've put mine toofar away. I'm gonna grab this one.
There it is, okay, herewe go, I'm back. I
knew usually I have like a pilenext to me, but yeah, they
do, so they the these onesare for the vendor. The vendor show

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pods always have like a little likelimited edition thing on them. They come
with special pricing. But their powerlights are these this bright purple so that
if you're using it, you know, somebody doesn't kick it over because they
can see it because it's this seemlike bright urble light. But yeah,
the lights on top and when youplug in, it has a removable antenna.

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But when you plug in the antenna, then if it triggers, it
makes sound and light. Oh lookat that it lights up on top.
How great is that? And Ilove that? Just beautiful. Yeah,
and it opens up or is thatjust a decoration. Nope, it opens
up because you have access to it. It's fully rechargeable and then everything's insulated

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and it comes with a charging cableon top. Two. But I'm a
big because it's amazing to me thatand this isn't any kind of slight because
it's you really have to know aboutelectrical components and things like that, to
know how these things are made.And for me, the lack of transparency

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in paranormal equipment is really bothersome tome. We have a lot of people
in the paranormal community that really reallywant to tackle this industry with, you
know, a science forward mindset,and when you don't know how your equipment
works, that is a massive factorin your data collection. So if you're

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using something like a rempod and it'sbeeping and you're writing it down that it
beeped on your data, well,why did it beep? Oh? Because
the electromagnetic radiation. How does thatknow that it's electromagnetic radiation? How what
is what is inside of here thatit is able to interact and be triggered.
So there's all these questions that arekind of left unanswered right right because

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the lack of transparency, and there'sa lot of pieces of equipment out there
that it's like, oh, thegreen light lit up, why did it
light up? Well because something andit's sort of left to this nobody wants
to say, I don't know,but I don't know is like the biggest
superpower that you can have, becausethen that opens up so many doors too.
Let's find out. If nobody says, I don't know, how are

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we going to learn anything? Sothat's we don't know. We don't know
that that's going on. So themost that I can do is like show
you this is why, and thisis in. These are the different ways.
Because if you know that when youturn this on the completed circuit,

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that happens because a nine bolt batteryis plugged into this circuit board and this
and this and this mean this andit is radiating six to seven inches,
you know, outside of its parameters, and it's radiating radio frequency rate waves.
And because you have electromagnetic radiation,you can interact with it. However,
the moon has electromagnetic radiation. Whyisn't the moon set? So when

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you're able to learn all of thesethings about a piece of equipment, your
your data is more thorough and youcan experiment better. Because I'm not going
to say this is going to detectghost because it detects so much, but
it's just another detects. It wouldbe brilliant, but we know these other
things. I wish man that's yeah, And we don't know what ghosts are,

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but what are they their energy.I don't know. I mean,
what are they I don't know.You know, it's all theory, it's
all theory, and there's so muchsecrecy and because it's it's pseudoscience and it's
theory, and we have to beopen to not knowing because we don't know.
Nobody knows, and I don't knowthat we will really no, I

(12:24):
mean maybe not in our lifetime,you know, you know, just I
know this isn't this isn't a Crystalpod or rempod issue. But you know,
when you go somewhere and you getthis incredible EVP where you can hear
them talking, it's almost like you'retapping into another era. Right, You've
been on these you've been to theseplaces. I think I had mentioned it
the other day. We're in thatcommon shadow was talking about Madison seminary and

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I could hear them talking about,oh, I've got all these mouths to
feed and changing the bed. Andthey weren't talking to me, you know,
they weren't. They were just happy. But it was like I was
listening in on something that happens,almost like time travel, something that happened,
and who's to say it's not Andwho's to say that there isn't this

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little like wormhole where you can justhear I don't know, or is it
energy that's on a you know,we call it like a tape, but
but but it's not a tape.And how are we hearing that? How
are we how are we able toget that energy onto a recorder? And
that's why can't we do it consistency? And why can't we do it consistency?

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And why does it happen here andover here? Not so much?
You know, I don't know ifI told you. Christina and I were
doing a show two or three weeksago, and after the show was over,
I went on to to clean upthe audio a little bit, and
a voice came through and said,Hi, Scott, Oh did you send

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that? Did you? I thinkput in the chat in the chat or
something? I think it was becauseI was like I was a ghost playing
and the other room and I heardit. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you said that. Yeah, Andyou know what, No, I think
that was a different one. Thatwas that was we got a lot of
EVPs. Well that's okay. Youknow what, There's there's an instrument that
I'm going to be doing soon thatI do want to talk to you about
because I want you to be able. That's oh, you know, I'm
all in and I and I feellike it happens when you least expected.

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We weren't investigating. The voice camefrom her house. It came from it
was on her track. Because we'reable to separate the all the tracks out,
so today I'll be able to listento my track and your track independence.
Oh oh, got it? Okay, you know what I mean.
Don't tell me if anything is inmine. Okay, I'll just post it
on Facebook. Let me just findout and then I can decide if I

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want to hear it or not.But it was on Christina's track, and
the voice was it was the craziestthing, Hi, Scott, and and
it was just talked right over her. Hu. Now, how and why
and where did they come from?And why does that that happen? Well,
you know, theoretically, so asI just try as I try to

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answer this the best way that Ican, because I can't help myself.
I love I love that that questionspecifically, I love, but I also
factor that in when it comes tovisual though too, but definitely sound.
And I'm like trying to be socalculated. I don't want to word vomit

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everything because I know, like ifI'm working on things, I need to
be careful about just what I'm justthrowing out in the ether all the time
until I'm done working on it.I'm doing a lot of work and experimentation
around static electricity, but then alsoto like sound frequency and air pressure,

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and a big theory that I havewhen it comes to the presence of static
and paranormal phenomena is, yes,static is very prevalent when it's quiet out
or not quiet when it's dry out, and that I totally get. And
it's more difficult to generate static ifit's high humidity and things like that.
But that's that's not the way thatI'm thinking about static. All of those
are factors that I'm taking into consideration. But like how static is produced,

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the passing of bodies, the transferof electrons. You have to discharge it.
The electrons need to be even.Every atom has to have an equal
number of electrons and protons. Andsorry, I didn't know the answers,
so I just figured it. Letit suffer with it. There's there's like

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protons, neutrons, electrons, andwhen when there are more of one.
You create this this electrical discharge.And for me, when it comes to
EVPs sometimes visual for me personally,I don't I don't think that quote unquote

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intelligent hauntings are ghosts. I don'tthink that John from the eighteen hundreds is
intelligently haunting anything. But I dothink that residual hauntings are very real and
the intelligent hauntings that we experience aresomething completely different. Okay, and yeah,

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do you know what, mew doyou think you know what? Or
do you think you have a hunchon what? I am very enthralled by
the idea of different dimensions of existence, and I think that sometimes when we
experience something that seems like an intelligentphenomena, it's not old Bob from eighteen

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hundreds. It could be a differentexistence in a different dimension that's peeking through
some sort of veil or or portal. Things start to get so funny.
When I have to listen, Iget it. I get it because Okay,

(18:15):
let's just let's let's look at thisdifferently. And I love that we're
having this conversation. This is good. So you and I today we're living
today, right, we're living atnow, we're living at yesterday, last
year, we're living at one hundredyears ago, we're living at one hundred
years from now. All right,but let's just figure one hundred years from
now, someone is on a rampodand they say, who are these not

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a rampod on a recorder? Isyour recorder? And the one hundred years
they're going to be Yeah, they'llbe great. But they're going to hear
you and I talking about this.Now. Does that mean that they're hearing
us today like right now, they'relistening to us at a different time.

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But that's what I would interesting.But here's what's interesting though, because it's
not on those moments when we havesomeone come and say something to us that
we call quote unquote intelligent. Maybethey're not from back then, Maybe they're
from do you know what I mean? Like they us. So if somebody

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hears this conversation that we're happening insome way a thousand years from now,
yeah, and that could either beand this is what I think. Residual
hauntings could be time slips. Intelligenthauntings could be different dimension a thousand years
from now. If they're hearing us, it's in the same dimension. It's
a time slip, but something thetime slip means like that they're listening to

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the past, which is what Ithink a residual haunting is. It's almost
like these echoes, but it couldalso be happening at the exact same time.
But we're not communicating together. Butwe're not communicating to each other,
right, We're just able to observe. And who's to say too that some
of that residual like unexplained residual hauntingphenomena couldn't be us seeing a thousand years

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into the future. But we're justobserving. It's just an observance because time
is always happening all at once.It's not this straight line that we think
it is. Our brains just can'tcomprehend the fact that it's all just a
big, huge jumble of everything andit's all happening all at once. I
and I'm going to say it's allhappening all at once a billion times over
until time ends, because it's alwayshappening all at once, always happening once,

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always happening all one's always happening allwhat's always happening on you know what
I mean? So intelligent hauntings,I think could possibly be communication from a
different dimension of people who have access. So there's an interesting creator on It's
so funny. I have a groupof friends that when we say we saw
something on TikTok, we say Iread an article. I read an article,

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and it's this. It's an interestingway to explain multiple dimensions. So
it's like I am in one dimensionand I'm looking at a Yeah, I'm
in a fourth dimension. I'm lookingat third dimension. Third dimension is going
to look like this to me,but to those in this dimension, it's
going to look like the world.It's going to look like everything that we

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have here, because that's that's whatwe know. But to me, it's
this flat and they can't comprehend mebecause I do not fit on this dimension
because it is flat. But tothem it's this whole existence. Yes,

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yes, so now they might theymight not be able to I'm going to
need to communicate with them in away that they're going to be able to
comprehend me. So why wouldn't Iact like if I'm able to communicate,
why wouldn't I just be like,oh, it's John from the eighth Pards.
Just for experimentation reasons. Cool,I'm communicating with this other dimension right

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now, but I have to makesure that I communicate them in a way
that they can understand, otherwise they'renot going to understand. And it's interesting
too. I'm not a religious personin any way, shape or form,
but it's even in religious texts oflike these greater beings not being able to
communicate with humans because they're like fuckingheads'll explode because the comprehension isn't there.
So this isn't a new idea.So when you have an intelligent haunting,

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what's to say it's not just thispractice in communication with us by these beings
that we wouldn't be able to comprehendunless they communicated with us in the way
that we best understood. And withthat acting like they're Bob from the eighteen
hundreds to make content. Well,and think about it, you know,
if people if we're communicating with peoplein an intelligent way, at let's just

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use this haunted location, in anyhaunted location, and we can hear them
communicating with us and answering our questions. If it were truly them in the
past, well, then how arethey hearing us? Are they just standing
in their dining room, going,I hear a voice, Yes, do

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you know what I mean? Like, we don't know how we have this.
We want to humanize so deeply everythingwe come in contact with. We
do it with animals, We doit with trees, we do it with
stuffed animals, we do it withspoons. Like I mean, I have
had a bowl of peanuts and Idon't want to leave one peanut by itself.

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It's going to be lonely, soI'll just gorge myself with that one
last peanut. You know, weit is in our nature to try to
relate to everything, and I thinkthat's humans by design, Like we're supposed
to be compassionate about everything, eventhough sometimes we're not. We're supposed to

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feel for trees and the earth,even though we have definitely gotten away from
that. So of course we're goingto humanize something that isn't quite able to
explain itself. We're going to treatit. Now, don't get me wrong.
We we you should treat a youshould treat a dead plant with respect.

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So obviously I don't know what ghostsare. So anytime I walk into
a location that's deemed taunted I'm goingto be respectful, of course, but
I try not to humanize. Itry not to think inanimate objects. I
try because I feel that it startsto really muddy up the research and the

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data collection of it. But I'malso not going to cuss out a space
to try to get, you know, something negative. I'm not going to
say touch me or you know,prove yourself, because that's just not what
I'm in it for. But Ialso don't think that we're communicating in the

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way that is understandable to what we'retrying to communicate with. And I think
that's sort of why the paranormal fieldis developing so slowly, because we're just
treating it like we're just talking tofriends. And I don't want to get
too heavy into that because I don'twant to discourage people or think that I'm

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telling people that they're wrong. They'renot because we don't know. They could
be people. It could be deadJohn from the eighteen hundreds walking around going
what is this? But talking aboutit's really me. But I'm just coming
from it from a different point ofview because it's so necessary that we have
research in different ways, and Ineed to come at it from this point

(25:59):
because it's necessary to have a wellrounded and and look at it this way,
because I sometimes we'll have this conversationwith people about mediumship, right,
well, why do you get whatyou get? Or how do you Well,
first of all, I don't know. I mean my experiment by the
way you're going to it, Ican't wait. I can't wait, and
we will talk, but I don'tknow. But here's what I do think,

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and this is just what I think. If you have a dog and
you blow a dog whistle, yourdog can hear it, streak can hear
it. You can't hear it.Your friends can't hear it. That doesn't
mean that that whistle isn't blowing.It's just at a frequency that is we
cannot comprehend. Now what if?What if these different realms of existence are

(26:49):
all right here? They're not upon a cloud plane a harp somewhere there.
I mean, they're like right here. And that's why sometimes you can
feel them. Sometimes certain people cantune into that frequency and get a message.
Sometimes equipment can just lucky enough tokind of you just grasp a piece

(27:11):
of that, you know, justa piece of it. Yes, but
it's all right here. Right nowon different frequencies, and we're just a
different channel on the station. That'sit. You know, the the AM
dials. There's a song playing,but if you're on FM, you're not
going to hear it. Not justthat, but if you're not in the

(27:33):
town where the song is playing,you're also not going to hear it.
You're also not going to hear it, but might be on the same you
might be on the exact same station. Why you're too far away from the
tower, or you're playing a differentit's a different station. You know,
one oh five point seven in Cleveland'sgoing to be different than one oh five
point seven in uh Ontario. Yes, and we have a one oh five

(27:56):
point seven here. Yeah, andI'm sure it's different. Yeah, and
not just that too. One ohfive point seven from when I was little
it's way different than one oh fivepoint seven now. Yes, So there's
there is that's and and a lotof that too. With the whole like
why I think we all have anability to sense. I think it one

(28:18):
depends greatly on how it's you know, when it's discovered, how it's nurtured
your your life sort of path.The different things that have happened in your
life? You know what I mean, it's it's not but because and and
the the reason why I say thatis like I would never claim to have

(28:41):
any kind of abilities, but whenif I'm at a location, I mean
I I can, I can,I can feel like energy or we were
at the Collingwood Arts Center and themedium Christopher Leegen, who's absolutely I don't
know if you're familiar with Christopher leeHe's I don't. He's let me make

(29:06):
sure that I'm saying his last nameis. I like to just insert my
own way to say people's name.Sometimes I'm going to be at the Bell
Mansion and Nick Simons from twenty eightdays later, I was on a podcast
and I called him Nick Simmons andI'm mortified. So Nick Simons for twenty
eight days haunted. You got it, Yeah, twenty eight days haunted.

(29:26):
So that was me making up forit. But I call it. I
don't. I'm one of those likeread and I make up how words are
said. But he Jansen, I'mstill probably saying it wrong. Chris Philly
Jansen, He's he's incredible, andwe were walking around and he's he goes
in this room and he's like,there is there's a there's a woman here

(29:48):
and she's not supposed to be here, and he was just really confused and
whatever. And we've kept walking andwe're walking, and we're walking, and
we get back to the home baseand I just like quietly asked him I
was like following us and he stoppedand he was like, she was following
us for a little bit. AndI was like, I swear to you
the reason why I was so farbehind everybody because I felt like I was
waiting for somebody to catch up withus. And he was like, for

(30:10):
a little bit, she was followingus up until like the dome or whatever.
And that was kind of when Ihad stopped feeling her following us.
But it didn't I didn't feel awoman. I didn't feel anything. I
just have that natural reaction to slowdown to make sure who was behind us
could catch up. And there wasnobody behind us, and so, and
that's not that's not an uncommon feeling. You know, if you walk into

(30:36):
a room and it's tense, youknow, maybe a fight just happened.
We all have that. There's likea running joke of everybody's like, well,
I'm an mpath. No shit,most of us are, unless you're
a sociopath. Unless you're a sociopath. Like all, we all have empathy.
That's why you humanize, that's why. So if you have that that

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need to want to humanize a ghost, to want a ghost to like you,
to want it to pick you,you have empathy. And you can
feel the anger, you can feelthe sadness in a place, you can
feel the happiness in a place.It doesn't necessarily mean you're a medium,
but we all are able to tapinto that. And then for somebody like
you, you just know where thedials located. For people like Dana,

(31:25):
she was just you know, DanaStriker was just born with it. And
she was like as She's like,I don't I don't really know how I
developed it. Just one day Iwas like, oh shit, just you
know, dead seeing dead people's normal, you know. And yeah, and
even then, and even then,it's different than that, because the reason
I didn't really open up to thisuntil I was like fifty was because I

(31:48):
watched ghost and sick Man. Itwasn't like that. It's not like,
oh I see dead people. Idon't see that people. Yeah, I've
learned to shut it off in sucha way like what it got really bad
and then then I was able tocontrol it. And I don't get any
of that. Now. I'll gointo a haunted place and unless I'm looking
for it, I don't get itunless you're like, well, you know

(32:09):
where the dial is. I knowwhere the dial is. Literally literally I
worked with a woman, she's ashaman, and that's what she did.
She says, you need to learnto shut it off. She says,
put your hand out and there's adial there. Turn the dial all the
way to the lepopade. Now it'soff, yep. And you can turn
it up as high as you wantedto go when you need it. And
I don't do a reading and sitthere and go like this, and you

(32:31):
know, you just it's all intention, but you know, I think that
intention is there. It just it'sjust shut off. I don't go into
haunted places. Oh and you're notlike overwhelmed by it. Well, and
you there's a lot of different practicesthat you you do have to turn it
up or turn it down. Imean even with professions. You if you're

(32:53):
a if you're a therapist, sometimesyou have to turn off your therapy button
when you're hanging out with your friends, you know what I mean, So
that you're not just like Humeda thereview and I love I love the the
dial and that the shaman taught youthat I used to work with a shamanic
practitioner was when I was in whenI owned like a yoga practitioner space and

(33:15):
we would have shamanic healing circles.And I'm a reiki master as well,
so I used to help and assist. And one of the biggest things that
she would teach when it came toother practitioners was just find something that you
can because a big thing in reikior any kind of energy work is that

(33:37):
if you don't know how to shutit off, you will become so drained
because you're like a light bulb allthe time. So she was like,
you know, find something that youreally connect with that you can, you
know, turn it on and turnit off. And mine and mine wasn't
a dial. Mine was Ironman hands, you know how in when he would
turn on his hands, he'd goand it would go and then he would

(34:00):
fly himself away. That's what Ialways did. So before I would rub
them together and I'd go like that'show I would start. And it was
always really funny. Well and it'sso funny, you say no, but
it's you know, it's really interestingbecause I remember, oh god, this
is going back over twenty years ago. I remember. I mean, I
think you knew, right, Iwas a funeral director for a long time.

(34:20):
I was a funeral director in DidI know that. I don't know
if you do or not. Nowyou do. I owned three funeral homes
and I started working in the funeralhome when I was sixteen years old,
and I built one from the groundup that was haunted as hell. There
was an old mansion there, youknow, years ago, and that's a
whole other show, but there.I remember sitting in my office one day

(34:42):
and I was freezing. It wasa cold, wintery day, and even
though we had good windows and everything, I was just, you know,
I can't warm up in the winter. And I'm sitting like this, and
all of a sudden, I'm like, WHOA, what's this? And I
could feel this huge ball of energyshe and I can move it and shape
it and slide it, and Ithought, this is the coolest thing.

(35:06):
And so you know, I cango like this boom it's on, now
it's off. You know what Imean, you can literally just turn it
on and turn it off. It'slike, I don't know how you do
that. I don't even know it. Can't prove it, but I'm telling
you that's how it feels. Youcan feel the energy coming from oh oh
my gosh. Yes, and absolutelyI didn't know anyone else that could do
that. In fact, the womanthat worked for me, I brought her
up into my office and I said, listen, I got this weird thing,

(35:29):
go like this, go like youknow, and she's like, you're
out of your mind, just likejust just I'm going back to how I
get it. No, that wasbut that's how it started. I mean,
no other things, but that wasthe first physical thing that I said,
this is really weird. What isthis? And I spent the next

(35:50):
twenty years saying maybe I'm psychic orsomething, because like weird stuff would happen,
you know, I would get stufflike prominitions and things, but never
for a million years that I thinkI was a medium. And I really
didn't even think I was psychic.I was waiting for someone to tell me
because I'm skeptical, you know,which is which funny it is. It
is like wait for the validation,but it's like nobody knows you better than

(36:14):
you. Listen, ghosts were talkingto me on the radio, kind of
like the show the other night.I was all the time, and it
was always the same one, didn'tmatter where I was, And I still
said, this isn't real. Theshaman is telling me, listen, no,
you're a medium. I'm like,no, I'm not. I was
a medium twenty years ago. NowI'm a large. I am not a
medium, you know, no,no, but I yeah, And people

(36:39):
who watch the show, I've heardthat joke at least five times, so
none of they're just rolling their eyesright now. But I know there's no
There was no chance that this wasreal. There was There was none.
And it took me another two yearsof like practicing with people, what do

(37:00):
you mean you understand what I'm tellingyou? Like how will you get how
are you getting what's in my head? Like where is that coming from?
Finally, I you know, youstart trusting it. It takes a long
time, oh, because I amskeptical. Because I'm skeptical mm hmm,
yeah, I mean believe in yourselfbefore anybody else is going to well,
and you know what, I'm skepticalof others too. It's not that I

(37:20):
don't trust others, but it's like, you know how everybody who's never been
on an investigation thinks they're run likeghost adventures. You know, it's like,
oh my god, everything's crazy,you know what I mean, they
go on these things they've never beenon. They go on their first public
ghost hut and everything. There's alot of people that have gone on lots
of ghost hunts that do that.Yeah, yeah, you know, but

(37:45):
I feel like it's that way withmediums too, you know what I mean
when they when they know someone whodoes this, they tend to hype it
out. Everybody has it, yeah, and everybody does have it a little
bit, but I mean they hypeoh no, no, no, I
mean I mean like it's it's it'stough sometimes because yes, everybody, and
this isn't to be an elitist oranything. No. I feel very uncomfortable

(38:08):
calling myself a paranormal investigator. ButI've come I've come across so many.
You know, everybody's a medium,everybody's a psychic, everybody's a demonologist.
Every I mean, I've met demonologistswho are twenty years old, and I'm
like, how do you know whata demonologist is? How they took that

(38:32):
online class? And that's the thingthat I'm just like, there's now I
you know, I've been friends withDave Juliano for you know, just the
good he sells my Crystal pods,and so him and I have had a
lot of conversations just about that too. He's like, you know, he's
like, I get uncomfortable calling myselfa demonologist and he's been doing it like

(38:54):
for like one hundred years. Sorry, David, I love you, like
you know, and I'm just youhave these people that are very young,
and it's not to say that youcannot accomplish things when you're young. You
have so much time to accomplish everythingbeing young, and that's so amazing.
But when you have somebody who's nineteen, twenty years old and they're like,

(39:15):
I'm a demonologist, animal medium,I'm a psychic, and I'm a seasoned
paranormal investigator, and I'm just like, yes, that's about it. Yeah,
I vote for it. I starteda paranormal investigating when I was twelve,
you know, And it's like I'vebeen interested in ghosts since I was

(39:36):
little. But I'm not saying thatI've been a paranormal investigator for thirty years.
I start my career when I startedworking in the industry that I'm saying
my career was in. And soyeah, I get what you're saying.

(39:58):
It's also interesting too, with yoube a male psychic medium, which I
always appreciate because it's another sort ofstereotype too, that every woman in the
paranormal must be a medium. They'reall mediums. All of them are mediums,
and a lot of them are dark. And I don't mean like just
the way they dressed, the waythey A lot of people. Everybody wears

(40:22):
black in the paranormal. I'm like, I'm a cream and that's okay.
You're wearing a turtle neck's I'm wearingturn because I'm cold, that's I'm wearing.
I'm wearing. There's a little blackon this, but this is the
only black on my outfit. I'mwearing bright. Generally speaking, I don't
wear, you know, I don't. I don't dress like that. I
don't wear, you know, isblack. But like you mean dark,

(40:42):
Like, what do you mean,like foreboding dark? I think no,
I don't mean evil. No,I don't mean evil psychic thing that I
can't see, no, no,no, no. I think that it's
a sense of that's what people expectto wear the dark. It's I want
to say it's an act, becauseI'm not saying that their mediumship is an

(41:05):
act, but I feel like thepresentation of it is an act. I
think there are some really incredible mediumswho are famous, who are famous who
it's all performance hard. Oh yeah, no, no, yeah, you're
right. I mean that doesn't meanthey're not good, but they carry it
to a different level because they thinkthat's what people expect. And I mean

(41:27):
there is a level of theatrics thatdoes have to come with being on television.
You know. I hate to breakit to everybody when they're all just
like Jamie's fake no shit, y'all, Like there it is. It is
mostly acting. You will see onall of their IMDb profiles that they are
actors. I was in Drama Club. You bet your ass. If anybody's
like, do you want to beon this show? But you know you're
gonna have to act it up alittle bit? Fuck yeah, I will,

(41:50):
let's go, let's go. Idon't think I'll lie blatantly lie.
But I'll act like that thing thatwasn't scary. I'll act like it's scary
if you want me to. Sure, it's acting, but it's like so
there's a level of that that goesto it. But it's the stereotype that
does bother me because then being awoman in the paranormal industry, I it's

(42:10):
more like, oh, do youdo this? Do you do that?
Do you? Are you a psychic? No? I'm not. Are you
this? No? Are you this? No? Are you a witch?
I mean yeah, I practice.Oh good, she's a witch. Okay,
she's a witch. And it's like, yeah, that's not so I
stopped sort of like putting it outthere that I practice. You know that
that's my That's like to be ademonologist, you're required to be a Catholic.

(42:36):
And it's like there's a lot ofpeople that study demonology that are not
like practicing Catholics. They understand that, but there's there's demons in every belief
system and you know, but likethe stereotype, yes, so that is
why I will dress very bright.You know. I try not to talk

(43:00):
too much about like witchcrack, eventhough I mean it's very it's very prevalent.
I mean, I'm probably a witch, but I a lot of the
stuff gets sort of pushed under therug because it's like, well, it's
not interesting that you're a woman whobuilds and develops equipment, which I think

(43:21):
is fascinating. You know, Ithink it's fascinating. And I know we've
went completely off topic, and Iapologize that. I know I do that
a lot of Sorry we did.We just kind of went off, but
fantastic it is. I and Ilove this, but I feel like you
know what I do and what youdo and the whole paranormal thing in between.
There's some commonalities and it's common inthat we don't understand it. And

(43:44):
I'll be the first one to tellyou that I don't understand what I do
or why I do it or howI do it. I just know that
somehow I can kind of like tunein and figure it out, and it's
such a helpful tool. Yeah,but I don't trust it alone. I
don't, you know what I mean. You know, I like having the
equipment to back it up, youknow, I do, And I will

(44:07):
never you know, even like inher reading, people will say to me,
what are my guide's names like Idon't know. I could tell you
friend and Jeff, I have noidea because you can't verify that. I'm
not going to tell you something thatyou know, I may get that name
in my head. That means nothing, nothing unless you can if it's not

(44:27):
evidential, and you can verify that, like I tell you, oh my
god, your grandmother's here and hername is Rose and she was a nurse
and she you know, Oh mygod, you're right, that is my
grandmother. Do you know what Imean? Yeah, sure, I'll give
you that, but not not likewhat's you know, what was I in
a past? Not something that couldpossibly not even exist. That's a little
harder, That's exactly it. AndI think to just be to just be

(44:51):
frank, you know, hey,guys might not exist. Well you know,
there's something that exists, because yeah, you know what I mean,
But what is it? I thinkour idea of it may them be completely
off. Yeah, oh no,for sure, but it's the idea.
Feeling is not fact. And eventhough I firmly believe in my deepest souls

(45:16):
of souls that we're not we're notalone. There is there are other powers
that be, There are things happeningthat we are not aware of on a
spiritual level, because it's not somethingthat's provable. It's just on my general
belief and the beliefs of millions ofother people, billions of other people.
But it's still what if it's notbecause we don't actually know. It could

(45:42):
be nothing, It could be allpsychosis, even though I don't believe that,
do you know what I mean?But it has to be It has
to be recognized that it could benothing, even though I don't believe it's
nothing. It has to be recognizedthat the possibility is there, and that
that is how you have to conductresearch. It has to be the possibility

(46:05):
that you are not psychic, eventhough we don't believe that, we believe
that you are. It has tohave the possibility and you have to treat
it like you could not be.And then that's where the validation comes in.
And then that's where the other experimentationand and all of those things.
If you if you studied everything underthe assumption that it could be nothing,

(46:29):
you're going to have so much moredata because we're not just depending on our
belief in it. That's right,that's right, and people will do that
oh it must be this that oryou know, they don't. They don't
prove anything. You know, mediumsdo it. Ghost hunters do it,
you know, because we want tobelieve it. We want it to be

(46:51):
paranormal. If we go out intothe field and we get you know,
X, Y or Z, wewant it to be and so we tend
to shut that part of it down, yep, and then we deliver it
like it's fact. Well it's fat. But I'll say this too, and
I may get shot for this.But I feel like most ghost hunters who
are not no I hope not pleasepeople, but I feel like most people

(47:12):
who go out and ghost hunt anddo paranormal investigating, they're not scientific about
it anyway. They're just going on, that's fine. They just want to
be social and that's it. Andthey get a voice and they don't take
it too seriously. They know theyget a get it and that's perfectly.
Oh my god that and that's amazingand I love that. And those people
are sometimes the most fun to huntwith because there is no expectation and you
could just like hang out and everybody'shaving a great time and sometimes whatever,

(47:37):
sometimes you have the most amazing personalexperience, and that's all it has to
be. It's just an amazing personalexperience and a story. I used to
go home and go through like threehours of like, oh dude, you
know what. No, I can'tord if I'm doing an experiment and that's
it. I don't. I barelyeven investigate. I just I'm like,

(47:58):
here's the experiments that I want todo. Here are the places that I
want to do them. They're goingto be about twenty minutes each. I'll
go ahead and I'll videotape it andthen that's it. Everything else, I'm
just going to see what I feel. It's going to be fun fun.
I think it's great. Yeah,I think it's great. So I would
love for you because I know wedo tend to ramble on here able to
know where they can get your pods. I have to tell you. Yeah,

(48:24):
so right now online. The amethystversion of the Crystal Pod is available
on the ghost Hunter store dot com. I you have to put the the
in right the ghost the ghost HunterStore. Yep, yeap as, I'm
just like, right, actually putthis in here, so you hang on

(48:45):
one minute. I'm going to putit right at the bottom of the store.
The ghost Hunter Store www. Dotthe st store dot com, and
soon and probably the next two tothree weeks, we are releasing a new
version, so you'll be able toget the amethyst and we're doing a total

(49:08):
like tuxedo version where it's all blackand all black stones. So we'll have
the amethyst pod and then we'll havethe all black you know, back in
black pod on the ghost Hunter Store. On my website, you can order
a custom designed pod, so anythingthat you want. If you follow me

(49:31):
on any of my social media's,you'll probably see I just released the pictures
for a crystal pod that I builtfor Becky and Gallentine. She has like
almost eight hundred thousand followers on TikTokand hers is on the top. It's
a spirit board and it has ruby'sand garnet and it's beautiful if I do
say so. But so, I'mdoing custom crystal pods on my website.

(49:55):
Customs start at one hundred and fiftydollars the amethyst pods on the ghost Hunter
Store or one hundred and twenty Andwhen I go to vendor shows. My
first vendor show the twenty eight DaysHaunted event at the Bell Mansion in Fort
Wayne, Indiana. That is nextweekend, the twentieth, nineteenth, and

(50:15):
twentieth. I will have vendor showpods and my static meters, which is
a brand new piece of equipment.But the vendor show pods I retail at
shows in person only. You cannotorder these. You cannot pre order these
ninety dollars a pod. So it'sfantastic. Yes, So I do ninety

(50:37):
dollars at my vendor shows. Ihave to say you can't pre order,
and you can't order because I'll havepeople that like, I don't know,
really want them, and I'm like, I get it. I do,
but it has to be in person, on the day, at the moment.
Yes, on the day, inthe moment, in the person.
And this weekend I have a buildwork so if you want to learn how

(51:00):
to build them. I teamed upwith the Cleveland Haunt Club in Avon.
Like, although this isn't coming outuntil next Wednesday, so don't worry about
that, it's over. It's over. The workshop was so great. Oh,
this show's coming out after that.Sorry, folks, Sorry to get
your hopes al up. But thisweekend, the twentieth, I'll be at

(51:20):
the Bell mansion, and then theycan also find my schedule, my workshop
schedule, my appearance schedule. I'mgoing to be doing some talks. I'm
going to be doing some lectures comingup this season in twenty twenty four,
and I'm still booking. But that'sall on my website, Lauren Haunts,
Lauren haunts dot com, Lauren hauntsdot com. All right, l a

(51:43):
u r Ian Hants. Oh andyou've got it. You've got it right
there on your name. Yep.I put it, I put it.
I put it just so people seeit. Have you been to the Bell
before? Is this your first time? I have, yes. I love
the Bell Well that's what I didan event there with with Dana and Christina
and Kathy last year, and Ido like it. It's just such a

(52:04):
beautiful building. It's gorgeous, absolutelybeautiful. It's gorgeously gorgeous. Yep.
Yeah, I'm very very excited forthat. There is a there is a
ghost hunt for the event. There'sa VIP party the night before, so
it's going to be a really goodtime. The whole cast of twenty eight
Days Haunted is there, so that'sgoing to be really really fun. That's
very great yeah, kick off myvendor show season. So I think that's

(52:30):
great. And and you are,am I going to see you? Am
I going to see you in he'llpyou manner at the Psychic Farah. No,
you're not there for the Psychic Fair. I might just come because I
want to try to attend events thatI'm not working so that I can just
have fun. Not that I venditefor that. I've never I'm anxious to
do that. I have a callwith Carrie this this week. I'm hopefully

(52:52):
planning a nice ghost hunt that Ican. I bring a whole bunch of
my friends too, so that'll beyou and I chatted about that, so
you know each other about that.That would be a really good time.
I've never been. It is,it's so I love that location. It's
huge. It's even on like ahaunted hill, like it's just really so,
it's so cool and it's huge,and it's pretty haunted, pretty haunted.

(53:16):
They get a lot of better,I will say. I have my
investigation there on YouTube and we didget a pretty substantial EVP and some very
controversial I've been working with the flashlightmethod because I'm building a piece of equipment
that improves it my second Lauren,Lauren, we're coming to a hard stop

(53:39):
on this show and I hate todo this. These hours go by so
bad, but stay on the linebecause I want to chat with you.
Thanks for joining us this week.Everyone. We will see you next week
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