Robert Neal Marshall

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Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the Paranormal Project Radio Show. Journey with us through mystical realms to
a world of the unexplained. Ifyou're ready, take a deep breath and
let curiosity be your guide. Andnow here are your hosts, spirit medium
Scott Allen and Christina Bowen, theGreen Witch of Tennessee. Hello, everyone,

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and welcome back to the Paranormal ProjectRadio Show. It's so good to
be with you this Wednesday evening.Hello, my friend Christina, how are
you? I'm excited. I'm excitedtoo, And I have to apologize for
a few minutes behind because you know, it sounds like a joke. You
know what happens when two mediums anda witch walk into a bar, Well

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you get a electronic troubles and thisis what happens, and everything's going to
Wonko. So we had to delaythe show by a couple of minutes,
but we're here. Hello, MelissaBlackman, so good to see you as
well, So welcome. I'm soexcited for this show today. My good
friend Robert Neil Marshall is our guestfor tonight, and you may have remembered

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him from last season. You mayalso remember him from well if you watched
House of Cards the final season episodeone. He was on House of Cards.
He's a producer, he's a filmmaker, he's a director. He's done
casting, he's done everything. Andhe is here with us tonight to talk
about a new show that he hasasked me to join him in, and

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it's called Providence of the Heart.And I think you're going to love hearing
about this. If you're into neardeath experiences and past lives and premonitions and
mediumship and ghosts, well that's whatthis show is about. So I'd like
to welcome my friend Robert Neil Marshallback to the show. Hello, how

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are you Robert? Hey? Everyone, good to see you guys. Thank
you so much for having me back. This is this is really cool.
And yeah, like energy in theair is all I can say tonight.
Right, it's all crazy. Ibreak things, so it's kind of how
things go on just thinking about them. I look at like Creskin. Remember
Crescin used to bend metal and allof that. That's really cool, which

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is I will be I will bewith the amazing Crescin in just a few
weeks. Did I tell you thatstory? No, that's so cool,
So I am going to be atSalem State College on Bedform's Day weekend November
eleventh and twelfth. I have agallery there on the Saturday and the Sunday,

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and one of the other guests isthe amazing Creskin and he's got his
own show I think after us onthat day, so I'll be sure to
be hanging out. Yeah, say, we were just talking about you.
You know, maybe it was probablyknows that well, Melissa, thank you
for the message, thank you forwelcoming me back. So yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, So Robert,I'm excited. You know, our
show goes live next week at theend Burrow, and it seems like it's
been a long haul, but butreally this is just the first step for
us on a on a trip toa much bigger, much bigger production.
We hope, we hope and peoplehere in the Massachusetts area that would like

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to see Providence of the Heart.But we're going to tell you a little
bit about that tonight. Robert,do you want to share a little bit
about how this show came to be? Well in the story that I know
you like to say about how weactually met. You know, they're just
sort of some mutual friends in thein the industry, you could say,
but that you had John Zapfis onyour show a few months back, and

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I saw that, and you andI'd been talking and I wrote you and
I said, wait a second,this is the John sapphis I said,
I played him on several episodes ofa show called a Haunting, and and
so you invited me on on onthe show and I got to meet John
virtually, and it was it wasreally amazing because he's got quite a powerful
reputation in in this realm, anduh, it was. I was honored

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to play him. But we nevergot to meet because they record the celebrity
person if you will, you know, on separate camera. And then we
actors were we're doing the dialogue,we're re enacting, and there were some
possession scenes with people floating in theair and all sorts of crazy stuff.
So yeah, it was good forgood fun, not like a good possession

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to light up the week. Nowyou know what you're an actor, it's
it's it's it's done and and nota real you know, there are ways
to make it happen. It's it'svery fake, but we make it look
real, make it look real andthat's what the magic of movies is all
about. So you know, yes, that's true. We met and you
know, we talked about doing thisshow because you had your experiences and I've

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had mine opening to Mediumship and andin some ways they're different. In some
ways they're very very similar, andI don't know, we talked about what
the medium and the Nearly Dead guy. Yeah, that was one of the
early titles. Yeah, yeah,and another one we're going to call it
is medium at large, Medium atlarge. Yeah yeah, medium attarge that's

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right. Yeah, no longer amedium, but small. I like that.
You got it that. Yeah,it's not about six pillows you can't
see. Just to get her tallenough to that's all right. We love

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you get one of those little cranks, right, I really do. So,
Robert, tell us what where thisstarted for you? I mean,
you know, what did this cometo be the idea for the show or
as well? Well? I meanit, I mean it's a life long

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on your own experiences, you know. Yeah, it's a lifelong thing that
sort of you know, culminated.I guess ten years ago I had a
massive heart attack, I went intov fin, I had the widow maker
they call it. I had hadGI issues that were undiagnosed, so when
I was in agonizing pain, thinkingit would lift in just a few minutes,
because the pain always lifted and wentaway, I kind of walked around

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and did what I normally did,thinking this will go away and we'll talk
about it in the show. Ikeep saying when we do these things,
I don't want to give too muchaway. They have to come see the
show if they want the full story. But I literally googled heart attack symptoms
and went through a checklist that says, if any one of these happened within
you know, you know, callnine one one within five minutes. And

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I'm going yep, yep, yep. And this is forty five to fifty
minutes later. I'm walking around becauseyou don't believe, as I'm sure many
people probably say, they don't believethis is real. You don't believe you're
actually possibly having a heart attack.And the last symptom, but all the
symptoms were things that I had withthese GI issues. Later found out to
be a very badly infected gallbladder andpancreatitis and things. I learned that after

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the fact, but at the timeI'm waiting for it to go away.
And the last one on the listwas nausea, and I never had nausea
with these previous attacks. And Ithought, if I didn't know any better,
I could really be having a heartattack. And I was prompted to
call nine one one, But you'rescared. What if I'm wrong. I
don't want to bother anybody, youknow, I think all of us just

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those things go through our minds.And a voice in my head just said,
hit the button now. And Ihad only about two and a half
minutes left when I got into theambulance. They asked me a couple of
questions and about like my weight ormy age or something, and I'm like,
wait, wait, don't tell me, don't tell me. I know
the answer to this. It wasvery bizarre that something was wrong, and

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I just happened to mention the painin my arms besides my chest, which
was a little unusual because usually withthe GI it was lower, but it
would radiate through my whole body,but it was it was different, and
they just said put a twelve leadon him. They want to get the
EKG, you know leads. AndI had a bathrobe on. It was
three thirty in the morning August third, twenty thirteen, and they said,

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can put open your bathrobe to getto your chest. I'm like, yeah,
whatever you need to do. Andthe next thing, you know,
as you quoted the other day,and I said, it's like changing the
channel on the TV remote. Allof a sudden, I'm completely somewhere else.
I am no longer there in anambulance. I had no idea that
I was now clinically dead. Ihad no idea that I'd been sick.

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I'm just this new reality. Andit went on from there. But that
experience, and there's a lot moredetail to it, I was shown why
I needed to come back back througha past life review. I guess you
could say when I say past life, I meant from my current life.
I didn't mean past life is inBut that's a whole other story there.

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Yeah, you're past in this life, in my past in this life.
And and by being shown these theseepisodes, I was shown why I needed
to come back. And they theyexplained to me later that when you go
into v FIB, your heart justquivers like jello. It's not pumping anymore.
It was starved of blood. Andwhat ended up happening is when when

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I when I it went into vFIB, I was no longer living,
I couldn't breathe, I was unconscious, everything had stopped. And literally then
they shocked me. I flat lined, because in the movies they always make
it look like you shock somebody andthey suddenly pop back to life, and
all these paramedics and go, ohno, no, no, no,
bob. When when we shock youyou flat line, it's meant to break

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the rhythm that's gone crazy. Youcould see it like an oscilloscope. It's
just quivering. And when they flatlineyou, then they literally do CPR.
They pound on you and hopefully theyget you back. And I've since read
only five percent of the people whohave this happen come out alive and make
it through. And so I justfeel like I was guided by other forces,

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if you will, to get meto where I needed to be so
I could come back and now tellmy story, which apparently inspires a lot
of people. When I have oneon one conversations, people are either curious
or very frightened about death and whatit means and psychic things, and it's
spooky for some people. And there'sa lot of love and a lot of

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joy connected with as we all know, our spiritual connection to things, and
so I would talk to people andit was sort of like almost like a
mission, if that sounds right.I don't mean it in a religious way,
but like a job to come backand help other people feel inspired,
comforted, know that there's more,and to live up to our true potential

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spiritually emotionally, because then your lifecomes together. And that I think prompted
the show because now we can reachmore people to do that. Have I
made that? That makes sense whatI described, It makes perfect sense.
I do have a question for you, though, sure your mediumship gifts.
Did that begin before or after thisexperience? It's interesting. I will admit

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that I've learned things from Scott.In working with Scott, I mean he's
become my mentor in many ways,and it's happening. A lot just happened
today, I mean literally today.I'll tell you this story in a second,
but I had psychic things that happenedbefore and when I was younger,
and that was triggered by a storyI wrote that was a fantasy story in

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my mind about a man who livedin the seventeen nineties and died during the
French Revolution, but I wrote myown interpretation of what it was like to
die. And then this was justwhen the doctor Raymond Moody's book Life After
Life was just coming out. It'snow common knowledge these near death experiences.
Back then, I thought I madeup my own. This was a fictional

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story which all of a sudden onehundred and twenty five other people are describing
that I knew nothing about. AndI'm like, how did I know these
things? Right? If I neveractually died, how could I possibly know
these things at one hundred and twenty. So that opened up a door and
then from that point on, believeit or not, that opened up a
gateway or a doorway to a lotof very vivid psychic experiences, many of

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which frightened me. But it gotreally intense. It was validated that there
was no question something was going onafter my real life near death experience many
years later. I mean, asI've said, it's like someone turned the
volume up loud. I'm plugged intosomething now that I wasn't before, and
no fear of death. I'm verycomfortable with all of it. And it's

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but people say, well, doyou have like some death wish. I
was like, no, no,not at all. I mean, but
it's just if it would happen.I'm totally good with it. But I
know it's not going to happen tillI'm ready, because I got things to
do and my job isn't done.And we all here to be here as
long as we need to be here, and we worry about so much that
we can't control. Live your life, open up, accept it. That's

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kind of the message of the show. And you know, I think we
get. You know, we're sotuned in in so many of the same
ways because you know, you talkedabout there being a fear of death,
and of course I've been working ina funeral home since I was sixteen years
old. You know, I startedout in high school. I was cleaning

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and vacuuming and washing cars and doingall of those sorts of things. I
wasn't directing funerals, but I wascertainly around it. And you know,
in those little psychic pieces that youdon't really at the time, you pass
them off as a coincidence, butyou know it's not. I mean,
in hindsight, I look back atsome of these things and I think,

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oh God, that was something,you know, And we'll tell a story
in the show about how I gotcalled out to a house for someone who
had passed and I was questioning.You know, I was about seventeen years
old at the time, and Isaid to the man I worked for,
Wow, how do they know he'sdead? And he's a question. I
mean, you know, they dothis all the time. Just get dressed,
let's go. And I said,yeah, but but but how do

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they know? You know? Imean, I know they do it all
the time, but how do theyknow? You know? And the answer
should have been, well, themedical examiner went, or the doctor went,
or you know something, the EMPswere there, who knows. But
I had this and I couldn't shakeit. It's like the ceiling. Yeah,
I couldn't shake the feeling. Andwe went to get in the car
and leave, and the phone rangand I ran back and I answered the

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phone and it was the police departmentand they said, don't come, we
found a breath. Wow. AndI thought, that's just yeah, but
you know, you know, chalkedit up to coincidence, and well,
that was really strange. And thatwas it, and there were a lot
of incidents really well exactly. Therearen't, but but we're taught to believe

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there are and when and I don'tknow. Everyone has a different background,
whether it's a religious background and notreligious. But it's sort of like,
well, you have a vivid imagination. I used to get that a lot,
you know, or or you know, my mother would always tell me,
you're too sensitive, you're too judgmental, you're to this and that and
the other. Thing. The factwas I was reading people, and I

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didn't realize I was reading one themost. You can call it empathy,
you can call it whatever it is. But I knew when I jibed with
someone, I could tell you inthree seconds after they walked in the room.
And and I wanted to be friendswith you, or I knew right
off the bat I wanted nothing todo with you. And it would sometimes
drive my mother crazy because you know, she makes friends and elevators, so

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you know, you know, justI was not that way. I was.
I was just a little more picky. But I really think it was
being able to read and understand whothose people are. I just got the
vibe almost immediately whether I like thatperson or not, you know, to
learn to trust those feelings too.I mean that's the hard part as well.
I think what you've taught me Scottis that sometimes you feel like you're

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making it up. And that's whatI felt. I felt I was making
up things in my head because itjust popped into my head. But when
I say something to somebody, they'reastounded or like the remarkable coincidence that you
could have a thousand possible names thatwould come to your head, or a
thousand possible things, but the onething that pops in your head suddenly means
something. Or sometimes they're like,no, no, that doesn't mean anything,

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and then they go, oh mygosh, wait a minute, oh
wow. You know, it justtakes a moment, and it's not fishing
for things. It's very specific thingsthat are going to mean something to someone
that is not just random. It'sthat kind of a thing. Well,
and I will tell you any mediumI know, and I don't care how

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they are, how long they've beendoing this, will tell me that they
still they trust. But there arethose moments when you said to yourself,
I'm not saying that. I wasin Maine over the weekend and I sat
with a woman I was reading herand I remember I said to her,
Look, this is bizarre. Ihave no idea why I got this,

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but I'm going to share it withyou anyway, you know. And I'm
thinking in my head, I hopethis means something, because this is wonky.
And I said to her, Isaid, why is he showing me
a whole bunch of cracker barrel restaurants? I'm seeing them like in a line,
are on a map. I mean, like what, this is crazy?
And she went like this went ohmy god. I said, you

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understand that? And she said yeah, because every time we went somewhere,
we took a root so that hecould make sure he hit every one of
the cracker barrel all on the way, and he would map them out and
no exact way he could hit them. And I thought, you can't make
this stuff up. And that doesn'tfly to everybody that someone would have something

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that specific, right, No,no, no, no, And that's
the stuff, you know, that'sthe stuff for you go. Look,
I don't know why I'm getting this. It's so random and so out there,
but those are those little nuggets ofinformation that makes someone go, oh
my god, that has to bemy dad, who could come on from
the confidence and that I firmly believethat's how spirit let somebody know whether you're

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dealing with a legit medium or not. Right right, you know there's some
kind of message it would come through. You could fly the discount cheap airline
and you can go with the goodairlines. Spiritual spirit, Spirit is spirit.
I mean nothing against Spirit airlines,but it worries me to fly an
airline called Spirit. I mean,particularly in our realm. If you don't
want to become one while you're inanyway, Sorry, I hope we don't

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get sued by Spirit airlines. They'rewonderful, they're really good, be both
great flights, good prices. Butlike today, I was gonna tell you
that. Sorry. The woman today, a friend of mine, rather a
man, I was speaking to aboutsomething completely unrelated, and we started talking
about medical history because he's going tohave a liver transplant soon, he was

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telling me, and then he mentionedsomething about his mother passing, and the
second he did, I just bamin my head. I was just telling
Scott about this a glass of champagne, a very specific like a toast or
champagne glasses, and I was thinking, I just do we lose Scott.
Uh oh keep going, he'll poston the air. Okays back, so

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he knows the story. So I'lltell you, Christine. So so literally
the two glasses clink together. Inmy head, I see the champagne.
I thought, well, anybody's gotchampagne. Don't bother say so I said
something that just say something? SoI did. I said, hey,
I said, does two champagne glassesor champagne or a toast? Does that
mean anything specific to you about yourmom? And I said if it doesn't,
I said, you know, justthe about it. Maybe later.

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And he goes, oh my god, no, you won't believe this.
I'm like, what what? BecauseI'm thinking again, like Nancy says,
you feel like a fraud. Youknow, You're like, I'm making this
up. But he said, mymother never drank in her entire life.
And then she was diagnosed she hada life threatening illness. And on her
latter days, it was her birthdayand she said, what the h I'm

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just gonna have something to drink.And we had a very special toast and
it was champagne, and we didthis and then she said she had so
much that she went into the bathroom. She came out with the toilet paper
bow in her hair. Right,and while Champagne you could say, all
right, Bob, Champagne could meananything to anybody. Everyone's had something with
Champagne. That was a very specificmessage that meant something. There. He

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is right, you missed the story, Scott, But I've we talked about
it today. I was just shareyou with Christina the whole thing. I
wasn't really gone, oh he was, he was hiding, he was,
But anyway, but yeah, andso, but it's magical things like that
that I won't tell the whole story. But a woman she had a little
bug in her hair, like alittle ladybug, and we know that ladybugs

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and moths and butterflies are very symbolic. I just said, you know,
she said, oh, thank youfor taking the bug out of my hair.
I was like, well, thatwas your dear aunt Rachel saying hello,
you know, And I was joking. And then afterwards the second I
said, I was like, actually, no, really, do you happen
to have an aunt Rachel? Justno, no, I don't. I'm

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like, okay, never mind,but my daughter's name is Rachel, you
know, out of millions of thousandsin it. And then again her mother
found out was not with us.She said, well that was Rachel was
my mother's favorite grandchild. She says, after I had Rachel, I didn't
need to have any more grandchildren.So come on, Rachel, how many
of them would come on? Icould have said a thousand names from the

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baby book, right, So it'ssubtle, it's very simple, but it
happens when and where and how,you know. I love stories like that,
the synchronicities. Nancy says, nomore potty breaks on company. You're
busted, Scott, Oh, we'rehaving fun here. Come on, guys

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were having cocktail before the show.But Nancy piss off literally figured out no.
But anyway, I guess getting usback on track though. But the
show that Scott and I are doingreally it's it's the two of us are
telling the story of our lives inkey moments that deal with our discovery of

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our abilities, dealing with the fearand the unknown of those abilities, and
the challenges in our own lives.Scott working in the funeral home and growing
up there, and me, youknow, psychic things and having this sort
of past life thing that then turnedon some switch and and then for me
actually having a near death experience andgoing through and the changes that happened,

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and as again a message to everyoneabout this isn't just special to us.
We all have this connection. I'vejoked I got hit in the red with
a sledgehammer, you know, bymy heart attack to turn it on.
But I think other people you cando that just by learning how to get
in touch or pay attention to thoselittle moments. It's true. And you

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know, for me, it wasn'tall fun and games either. You talk
about getting in the hit in thehead with the sledgehammer. It was frightening.
Actually it was absolutely frightening. Andyou know, I didn't know what
was going on. I thought,man, do I have an attachment or
you know, is this mental illness? I mean, these are things that

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you know. When it was time, spirits said okay, time's up,
let's get moving. And it wasabsolutely frightening. I mean, I had
spirits calling me out, you know, on the radio, I mean on
I would go on investigations with peoplewho would ghost hunting. I remember once
I was on a I was onan investigation and we had a spirit spirit

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box going and somebody said, doyou know anybody's name here? You know,
classic classic, and you were abouttwelve to fifteen of them calling out
my name. It was crazy.Oh wow, and I haven't recorded.
I'll show you some time, Christina. I mean it was just you got
well had that happened at Randolph County. Your name was called Actually all the

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time. They call me all thetime, and you're famous among the dead.
I am famous among the dead,and yeah, clearly, yeah,
no, I mean they all wantto get in line and talk with you
through you reach their family. Youknow, you are clearly a bright,
shining billboard to them. Whatever itlooks like on the other side that says
open for business. You know.They say that you're light burns differently when

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you do this work. I don'tknow if that's true. I mean,
it might be just a way ofexplaining it. But they find us,
they find us, and it's reallycrazy, you know. And you know,
sometimes you'll watch some of these paranormalshows and you'll get EVPs and sometimes
you're really straining to hear it andto really understand, or sometimes it's really

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a breathy or whispery and you've gotto literally like ear up to it.
I put on earphones and I wasgetting stuff that was just it was like
they were in the room with ustalking in on the recorder. It was
it was crazy, absolutely crazy.But it wasn't all fun and games.
It was frightening and it took along time to figure out what was going

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on and to you know, acceptingit was was a challenge. It was
even longer. Did you have someoneyou could turn to that was could be
a guide or some other medium atthe time, yeah, yeah, at
the time, there was a mediumthat I had met and I called her
because I thought I had an attachment. I wasn't thinking, you know,
I wasn't ready to go down themental illness route I had started to.

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I was ahead of that. Istarted recording things that were happening, like
when they started calling my name andDavid and all this other business, and
so I recorded it and I figured, well, if I can hear it
and you can hear it, thenI'm not crazy. You know, you
couldn't hear it. I had biggerproblems than just an attachment. But I
was pretty convinced that something had gottenhold of me and I didn't know what

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to do. So I reached outto her and I said, look,
this is you know, you feellike you feel like an idiot, right,
Like I got the Spirit after me. I think that's what I said,
the Spirit after me. And wemet, and she's the one that
kind of she was testing me,without testing me, without telling me,
you know that she was testing me. But I really think she wanted to

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find out what was going on.And she's the one that told me what
was happening, and I did notbelieve her. I always say, you
know, I saw the movie goWhoope Goldberg, and that is not at
all what was happening to me.Well, I was gonna say popular movies
and these paranormal shows, they aresensationalists in so many ways, and they
do play upon the fear to sellmovies. Even when we're talking about the

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Conjuring House, how the movie isvery different. And Andrea Parrin very kindly
through you Scott when we were invitedon her show. I mean to learn
that there's there was a lot oflove and there's actually something really beautiful behind
it, and that that's a badrap. I think that popularity or sensationalism
does to this. That's what sellstickets, our seals, rightbody's freaked out

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by Ouiji boards and everything, butyet nobody has a problem using a spirit
box, onceing rods, pendulums table, It's all the same thing. Hollywood
has spun its web and made peoplethink that all this is terrible. Yeah,
I know, I believe you,and and and that's part of what

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our show is is we want tobreak that a little bit and say this
is human, this is every oneof us. It's just when we're ready
and when we find a way tomake it connect. And maybe that's part
of why we've been on this journeyso that at least bit by bit we
can share that it's not easy,right, you know, right, it
isn't And now you know, Istill feel like I'm on a journey.

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I'm not there. I don't knowthat we ever get there. You probably
get there the day you die.You're like, okay, you're done.
No, then you got a newjob, you got to start all over
it. It's like I was thinkingtoday about it, like an actor playing
a role as human beings, maybein these lives, this is a role
that we play and when we're done, well, you know, as a
human being, as an actor,you know, there's the next role.

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There's the next respond, it mightbe a little break in between. I
mean, after this life, Iwould love to take a little cosmic vacation
for a little bit, but thenget busy again. Maybe then you step
into another body, another life,and another role for another purpose until that
one's played. You know. Hey, but if it's really nice there,
I don't think I want to necessarilygoing off to other places. I want

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to settle in for a while.You know. Oh, we've worked hard
this time. I think this hasbeen a hard our journey for us.
But I feel like I'm on theright track. I feel like I'm in
the right place. I was invitedto. I think I told you both.
I was invited to Naples, Florida. I'm going to be doing an
event in Naples, Florida, atthe end of February. And this is

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not a paranormal event at all.This is at a really beautiful Spiritualist center
in Naples. I'll be doing agallery down there on Friday night, private
readings, there'll be somewhat of alecture. I'll be speaking at their Spiritualist
service, and it should be areally nice experience. Is very, very
different from any of this paranormal stuff. But I feel feel like that's how

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I'm opening up, and that's howI'm developing. And I really think that
it's it's you know, I gotto say something. I'm hearing voices in
my head and they're not the deadpeople. So I think people are texting
me and I have all I canhear. I wear the damn hearing aids,

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and I put my phone on likeI thought, and I'm like,
I know, they're not like thespirit world. It doesn't usually appear that
way. I'm testing freaking out becausethe door is closing, and then I
realized the cats in here with me, So what's going on if I go

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out? It's not usually that.Usually it's it's uh, yeah, that's
funny the real people. But anyway, so yeah, I think that this
show is going to be so uniquebecause we're going to touch all these subjects
but about ghost stories and and andthe premonitions and and you know, Robert,
you you'll share it in the show. I mean, you have a

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couple of doozies. I mean onereally big one from a that you had
that came to pruis actually seeing planecrashes and things, yeah, like vividly,
And it got to the point too. You know, you talk about
the difficulty you're losing your mind oris there an attachment? For me?
It's like, it's like, ifI can't help these people, you know,

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I saw things and they were verified. But if I can't help them,
then why am I seeing these Well, I think I've learned since it
was because there was a greater energy, a greater connection that I needed to
learn. But I didn't have anyoneto guide me that way. So I
just said stop, please make itstop. And it did for a while.
It really shut down until until youknow, August third of twenty thirteen,

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and then you're back. Welcome.There is a way to control some
of this, And I didn't understandit at the time. You know,
I remember just standing around and peoplewould talk about their mother, and oh,
here they are, they're right there. It doesn't work so much that
way anymore for me unless I wantit to. You know, if I
am open to it, it canhappen. But generally speaking, I go

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about my life and I don't youknow, there's a time I have office
hours, you know what I mean, there's a time and place for them
to come in and visit, andotherwise they're not there all the time.
But but you're a professional though.That is why you have learned your craft.
And I'll call it a craft becauseI think while other people may be
able to sing or dance or whatever, it takes a lot of training and

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a lot of practice to get toa certain level. You have gone into
that professional realm. I have asan actor as a writer to do that
after years and years of trial andair practice and laughter and tears. But
I think it's the same thing.You know, if you have someone to
teach you, or you learn tobe professional, then you can control I
didn't know that at twenty five howto do that? You know, right,

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right, You're absolutely right. Butyou know, I'm still learning.
I'm still still learning new things.I have a mentor. His name is
Joseph Shield. Joe Shield is aninternationally known medium. He's out of New
Jersey. He is really, youknow, kind of a little celebrity in

(33:13):
this world. He teaches all overthe place and he accepted me as one
of his mentees. And so I'mstill doing that. I'm still learning because
there are techniques and things that Imean, you know, you don't know
what you don't know, right,You don't exactly, And it's trusting.
It's learning to trust because you knowthis is the thing. Right. So

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you'll people say, oh, Iwent to a medium once they were fishing,
and I'll say, well, howwere they fishing? Well? They
were saying things like, you know, did your mother have cancer or did
your mother have pancreatis or whatever itis, and I'll you know, and
I think, really, it's notthat they're not real, it's that they

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don't trust enough. Because you cansay it a different way listening. Your
mom's here, she's telling me shehad pancreatic cancer. You'd understand that,
wouldn't you, And that's how tosay it. But when if I said
to you, your mom have pancreaticcancer, it has a different connotation,

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right. It sounds like you're tryingto get information. A matter of confidence,
it's a matter of trusting what you'regetting because spirit does not waste words
at all. They don't. Mylittle experience is like no, and it's
very specific and very direct, soit's almost like you don't really need to
fish, you know, if itmakes sense. And half the time for

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me, a lot of people gono, no. It's amazing when they
actually say, but or afterwards theythink about it and it's like bingo.
And that surprises me when again,I'm a novice. I'm not someone who's
been taught, you know, butI've had I would say three times over
the last maybe month, I've receivedemails from people a week after the reading

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they said, you know, Igot home. I didn't understand it.
I really thought like, why didI even do this? Nobody came through,
and then all of a sudden itall fell into place talking to my
next door neighbor, and then allof a sudden it all came out.
They don't pay words. But theproblem is is that even though you've booked
the reading, it's not always youthat the people are coming for. Sometimes

(35:28):
they have a message for somebody else. You know. You know, I
told you the story about having thereading with the woman or grandfather was here
and all of a sudden that youknow who auditioned for American Idol? Random?
Is that right? I mean,you know people know someone that audition
for American Idol. And she said, well, my next door neighbor,
but we're not related, right,you know? That message is for her,

(35:51):
tell her her baby's okay. Andshe had lost a baby. You
know, these are the things thathappened and I and as the medium,
I don't know, you know,I only know what they tell me.
I don't know how it fits in. It's really like a pictionary. I
don't know how all the pieces sortof come together. You just present the
puzzle pieces to them to put ittogether. Donna says she needs our help.

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I'm not sure what you need helpwith, Donna. If you're still
here and you want to chat inthe in the box, please feel free
to say hello, or you canreach out through email or whatever. Would
be glad to see if we canwe can help in some way. So
the show is at the Alley Theaterin Middleborough, Massachusetts, and our dear
friend Andrea Parrin is going to bethere on Sunday night, and where they

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are the following Thursday. I'm goingdown to see her on Sunday. Yeah,
this is that you didn't tell meyou were going to see Andrea.
Well, she's going to be atthe Alley Theater just a few days before
us. She's talking about the conjuringand so yeah, I'm gonna come down.
I figure it's a Sunday, Ihave time to go I want to

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go down and see her, andplus you'll give me an opportunity to talk
to the woman who owns the theater, Laura and Lorna. And it was
the theater because I've not actually beenin this theater myself, so it'll be
good to get in and get senseof the stage and and what we have
to work with. I'm gonna try. I promise. I'm going to try
to come down if I come upfor me on Sunday, but I have
to go back. But then I'llcome back later in the week obviously for

(37:29):
our show, but I'll try.I don't know if I'm gonna make it,
but it would be low. Yeah. Well, I mean it's not
like you're next door, You're you'reyou know, you're in d C.
I'm in Boston. It's a littlebit. It's a little bit of a
track, piece of cake, pieceof cake. But yeah, so there
now you're talking, and how doyou know? That isn't how I was

(37:51):
going to get there. We'll talkafter the show. I just if this
were Bewitched, I'd say, like, I'm like uncle Arthur is Mike there
you go? I love it?Yet him Sammy worse today even she know,

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that's so funny. She's she's,well, you're Christina, but she
was a Sammy Samantha. Yeah,yes, yeah, that was a fun
show. I used to love thatshow back then. Well see, because
it was all about I loved anyshow that had to do with science fiction
or magic or I mean, Ithink it's popular culture, but there was

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always something more to it, wasn'tthere. Guys, you know, to
watch it Bewitched in Star Trek.But you know, you know it's so
funny. You say that because that'sin my book. And and and I
and I felt like I fit inwith these fictional people because they were just
kind of misfits trying to fit intoa normal world. And I think to
a certain extent, that was whoI identified with. I was. I

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didn't quite understand why I was differentthan everybody else, why I knew things
or read people or understood I certainlydidn't think, oh I must be psychic.
That wasn't it at all. ButI didn't understand it. And and
you know, I felt like,in some weird way, I had a
connection with them. Yeah it's kindof funny, you know, very much,

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so very much. So. Yeah, and I was going to share
with you guys the title, youknow, Providence of the Heart itself.
This was the name of my autobiography, and then when Scott and I were
talking about names for the show,I've actually decided to change the name of
my autobiography to something very different thatstill has a spiritual significance. You said,
do a lot of automatic writing,and I learned about my guides and

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I had a guy named Millie wasidentified to me through automatic writing, and
Millie would always say, when thetime is right, eight above the rest,
you will know. She always closedwith that. I don't know why,
but it was consistent. So I'vechanged the title to eight above the
Rest because it's also like intrigue,what the heck is this about? But
Providence of the Heart was a blogthat I started basically because my heart attack

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and your death experience, and whenScott and I were talking, it seemed
that this applied more to the naturethe broader scope of the show. So
I'm happy that we're able to usethis name because Providence has many different meetings.
It's not just a city in RhodeIsland, guys, You know,
right, no, but it's trueand it's the show. While it does

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have that sort of paranormal edge.Really, it is not so much about
that. It's about these everyday affirmationsthat life is truly eternal and we all
have a little piece of this magicin all of us. It's just that
we just need to stop and listenand pay attention and then take a breath,

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you know, take a breath.You really need to be. Yeah,
sometimes you just have to just be. It's the hardest thing. People
don't realize, you know. AndI always say too, And I think
Robert, you'll find this out atsome point too. If I don't sleep
at night, if I have aheadache, I get an argument with you
know someone that you know, Ican't read, I can't do it.

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Interesting, it is not in theright place. Too much energy or emotion
that blocks. You have to bein a place that's that's free of all
of that. And so I sitfor five ten minutes, and you know,
Spirit, I trust you, comeand use me. I'm just the
instrument. That's it. And Idon't have to understand it. Just just

(41:35):
use me and play me any wayyou want and show me. They use
all of my life experiences, youknow, I say, it's kind of
like you have this little five millisecondflash of something, you know, whether
it's a photo, and in thatis all this emotion and feelings and thoughts
and memories are not yours. It'slike this cluster bomb, you know that

(41:57):
goes off their head. Yeah,but when your head doesn't have room for
it, it doesn't fit, itdoesn't work. And that applies very much
to life. And that's sort ofa point to me at least of the
show too, which I was sayingearlier, is that it's not just about
being able to see and hear spiritor to be psychic or to be a
medium. It is to live ourlives. It is to have things happen

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that are enriching that leads you onto the next step, opportunities that will
open up to you. Have nothingto do with dead people or ghosts or
spirit or anything. It's just tolive life and embrace it. And a
dream that you have of something youwant to have happen, and how you
work towards it. And you canwork and work, but sometimes just opening
up listening to signs following intuition,maybe I should call someone. Don't wait

(42:42):
and call them tomorrow if you feellike doing it. Call them now that
may be exactly the moment they say, I was just thinking about you.
How often does that happen to allof us? Embrace that, the relaxation
that you're describing, Scott, andmake that part of your life. Even
if you're never going to talk toanyone other than your coworkers. You don't
have to talk to Heaven or Godor anyone just in your own life.

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These are those little psychic things thathappened to each of us. That's what
that is. And you and Iwe can do this all the time.
I'll call you up or I'll sendyou a message of you. Of course
you didn't need to text a right. It's so funny, do it?
I mean it is. It's funny. But we all can do that is
my point. And people can livetheir lives more fulfilled. And the more

(43:28):
you accept it, the more youlet go, the more it happens,
and the more things fall. Andit's a living example, as many people
may know or not. I literallyrecently retired from a job as an executive
director of a nonprofit arts organization togo back into production, to go back
into this creative process with theater andplays. And you know, many people

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said, we were wondering, Bob, when you were going to finally come
back to doing what you're doing.And I love the festival, but there
was time to move on. Andit's scary to move on and to give
up, but it's exactly what Ihad to do because everything was telling me
this was right. And then allthe reinforcement, the validations, as we
say, happened afterwards. And youknow, I'm not there yet. We're
all working, but they are amazingthings that have opened up, like working

(44:14):
with Scott Allen and this Providence ofthe Heart and other projects that it's it
is magic. Magic is real andand it's uplifting when you can feel that.
You know what I mean, it'sit's crazy. It's true. You're
telling there you are exactly, It'strue. It's true. So how can

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people get tickets to Providence of theHeart. Well, your website for one,
which is medium Scott Allen A LL A N dot com. Correct.
You can also just go to Providenceof Theheart dot com and either way
it will take you to Tickets areavailable on event Bright and Scott. You

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had that trailer going by at thebottom. We didn't explain what it was.
It was the website on now ohoh, just doing that, okay,
but it's POH one zero POH providencesare ten. We'll give you ten
dollars off any ticket right now,and the tickets are only twenty five so
that drops it. What you cando mathema at fifteen. Oh, there

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you go. You got all theirsave ten dollars and the tickets are Now
that we're getting into last week,the ticket sales are definitely picking up and
it's going faster. So it's asmall theater. So if you would like
to come, if you're listening tothis, I would say go to event
bright and do that. And alittle secret, a little plug. There
is a brand new shop just openedrecently in Middleborough called the Flying Banana.

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They've got frozen bananas and banana treatsand desserts. They're really wonderful and if
you go into their store, theywill give you a fifty percent off code
that you can use. So youcan use POH and definitely save the ten
dollars or save fifty percent by goinginto the new Flying Banana and enjoying matreatment.
You can get there just for that. Yeah, if you're local,

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otherwise you can use the you know, if you don't want to go down
there just to go to the store, you get ten loves. But it's
important to say the tickets are onlytwenty five dollars to begin with. So
if you're writ ten dollars, it'sfifteen. And if you're saving fifty is
twelve fifty. I mean, god, you can't even go to Starbucks for
twelve fifty anymore. Get your yourgrande well exactly whatever. Yeah, and

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and honestly, the ticket price isright now. It's a small theater.
It's going to support the theater andto make all that happen and to support
that the wonderful programming that they're doingover there at the Alley Theater. So
I promise you, Scott and Iare not retiring on any of this at
this moment. This is an investmentof love and spirit and guidance, and

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so we hope that you guys willcome down and really just share it,
share the evening with us. We'dlove to meet you. And if you
come right before intermission, Robert andI are doing this really big dance number.
There's tap. You have jazz hands, a little potabouret and a Grapevine
and you said you're tap dancing,Scott. You said you were it's going

(47:15):
to be a pay per view Scottthat I'll never gosh. I was auditioning
for a show. This is goingto be like twenty five or thirty years
ago, and it was a itwas a dance show. And honestly,
you know, I'm not a dancerat all. And but yeah, you
know, you go through the auditionand you do all the thing and the

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music. The choreographer said to me, man, you are white. And
he didn't mean my s he meantmy rhythm I had. I had no
rhythm at all. And you know, I was like, yeah, I
can't help it. I don't movewell yeah, well for me. Do
you know how hard it is tofind two shoes for left feet? Yeah,

(48:00):
two four four bear just to getthe left feet. Yeah, it's
true. Bad. Yeah, ButI hope if you're around you'll come and
join us. We're going to havea great time. Yeah. And it's
this is really unique because this isthe first step towards I mean, this

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is what this is the first thingbefore this goes on to a Nationals.
This is like a workshop. Wecalled it a workshop and everyone was like,
wait a second, and we're gonnahave to, you know, get
into sweats and exercise or something.No, no, it's not that kind
of a word. In theater,a workshop is trying something out in front
of an audience, trying the material, finding out if it resonates, finding
where the laughs are because there arefunny things that happen too, and also

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where the serious moments are. Isthere a rhythm? You guys are actually
going to be part of a verycreative theatrical process, which is fun.
I find it fun. You know, it's challenging, but that's that's how
things grow. It doesn't nothing opensup on Broadway like immediately. They've gone
through various, various versions and varioussometimes years of development to get to be
really sharp. So this is thisis kind of fun as an fun for

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me because you know, if youdon't know Robert, he has opened some
big shows in New York and inthe West End of London, and so
this he's not, you know,this this ham and Egger. I mean,
he knows, he knows what hecould be. Hammy, I mean,
yeah, well you know, youknow, you know, but the
fact is he knows what he's doingHe's done this before, and so I'm

(49:28):
so excited to be a part ofthis, this event. I just I
just can't wait to get out thereand do this. Plus, I haven't
been on a stage in a fewyears, other than other than my galleries,
not since my son was born.The last show I did was probably
What Is He ten? It wasprobably twelve years ago. Ten twelve years
ago. It's been. And thenature of it too is it's while it

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is theatrical because we're on a stageand we have some planned projections that will
support it and things, and thereare some basic theater lights. This is
really kind of like the show we'redoing now. It's a conversation with the
audiences. It's sharing stories in avery relaxed way. And while the audience
wouldn't necessarily ask, we're not havinga Q and A in the middle of
the show. We're going to havea reception afterwards where they're going to have

(50:15):
drinks and food. You know.I think the theater has some for sale.
They're very reasonable, but that willbe there to do meet and greet
and answer all sorts of questions.But it's more relaxed anyway. It's a
conversation, it's not Ley Miz Soif you're expecting that, it's not Ley
miz Right or Phantom of the Opera, or hopefully it's less miserable than lay

(50:37):
Miz, well, listen. Itjust had fifteen thousand performances in the West
End of London. It's still running. When I worked in the West End,
they opened while my show that Iwas working on it for. The
producer called Me and My Girl aBritish musical. We won Best Musical that
year against lay Miss. They werealso cocky. Sure they were going,

(50:57):
I'm gonna have to jump in.I'm getting signs over here. Anyway,
I'm just saying the show is runforever. So yeah, yeah, but
this is the first step. Andso if you've never been to a workshop,
if you've never been to a showbefore it goes on to bigger and

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better things. This is a greatopportunity to check it out. And it's
friendly, little theater with some goodpeople and yeah, yeah, so we're
going to do that. And Ialso want to say just another couple of
little announcements. We only have acouple of minutes left. Actually, actually
I think we're at a time.Is that what we're getting it's like yea

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over here on the side. You'reabout to go into the show right.
Oh, you know why because westarted late. That's why. All right,
let's go, ladies. Here comessee as a providence of the heart.
Thank you everybody. Next week,caemigrating everybody. You've been listening to

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