March 6, 2024 • 54 mins
This week, we are \"going down the rabbit hole\" with Thomas Gormely. Thomas has been an empath his whole life, and is dedicated to the unusual, and unexplained, but will be the first to tell you he is an open minded skeptic when it comes to the Paranormal, and feels the simple answers are there, we just haven't found them yet.
The journey down the rabbit hole started with a chance meeting, and friendship with world renowned Paranormal Investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren, developing his sensitivity and skills to help the living and the dead.
His career started in the Emergency Medical Field, and Corrections at a Psychiatric State Prison, he specialized in trauma, crisis management, offender/criminal profiling as a behaviorist.
Additionally, Thomas has spent over 30 plus years studying, and putting into practice Parapsychology, Demonology, Esoteric diversity, Paranormal Investigations, audio, and visual analysis, and advanced historical research.
The Paranormal field has blessed him to be part of very high profile historic cases, such as: Lizzie Borden House, The Mount Washington Hotel, The Oliver House, The John Proctor House, Crocker Tavern, The Connecticut Triangle, The Murder House, The Enfield Entity, Portal at the Gallery, Time Slip at MIllwrights, Body in the Basement Old Well Tavern.
Thomas is the owner and lead investigator/historian for The Archangel of the Paranormal. Thomas is also the Shaman with production, tour, and promotions group Shaman and the Showman with Charles Rosenay as the Showman, CT Paraconn, and Salem Paracon, and CT. Psychic Fairfest.
The journey down the rabbit hole started with a chance meeting, and friendship with world renowned Paranormal Investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren, developing his sensitivity and skills to help the living and the dead.
His career started in the Emergency Medical Field, and Corrections at a Psychiatric State Prison, he specialized in trauma, crisis management, offender/criminal profiling as a behaviorist.
Additionally, Thomas has spent over 30 plus years studying, and putting into practice Parapsychology, Demonology, Esoteric diversity, Paranormal Investigations, audio, and visual analysis, and advanced historical research.
The Paranormal field has blessed him to be part of very high profile historic cases, such as: Lizzie Borden House, The Mount Washington Hotel, The Oliver House, The John Proctor House, Crocker Tavern, The Connecticut Triangle, The Murder House, The Enfield Entity, Portal at the Gallery, Time Slip at MIllwrights, Body in the Basement Old Well Tavern.
Thomas is the owner and lead investigator/historian for The Archangel of the Paranormal. Thomas is also the Shaman with production, tour, and promotions group Shaman and the Showman with Charles Rosenay as the Showman, CT Paraconn, and Salem Paracon, and CT. Psychic Fairfest.
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The Paranormal Project Radio Show. Carryyour hosts, Scott Allen and Christina Bowen.
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Happy Wednesday, everyone, and welcomeback to the Paranormal Project Radio Show.
Hi Christina, how are you?I am great tonight. How are
you doing? Scott? Okay,glad to be here. So last week
we were at the Nfield Demon Houseand I do have an announcement that I
want to make a that because I'mkind of excited. So I went and
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we do have an event. HeyRyan, Hi Bob, good to see
you. We have an event there. There's one ticket left if you want
to check out this place, andI'll talk to you more about that.
But we went to the Enfield DemonHouse and filmed an episode for Dark Echos
Paranormal, which is on Amazon Primeand also Paraflex if you have access to
that. That's coming up this spring, I would imagine. But we went
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through and I'm not going to gothrough what we got because I feel like
you'll find that out when you seewhen you see the episode. But I'm
going to tell you the place isno joke. We are running an episode.
Sorry, we are running an event. There. There is one ticket
left and this is for oh what'sthe date I wrote it down April twentieth
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and Enfield, so it's that farout and we just have one ticket left.
So if anyone is in the Connecticutarea and you want to check this
place out. It's a small home, so there's a limited number of people
that they can allow in. Andit is no joke. I mean,
I was getting the chills. Wetalk about the demon being gone, I'm
not so sure. I think thedemon might still be there, kind of
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lying dorm and you'll see what Imean. But I do have another announcement
to make regarding that house. Itseemed to be a lot of people questioning
the house and what the activity was. So on April tenth, we are
going to be live streaming from theEnfield Demon House. Am I giving us
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the right date? The tenth?Right? Hang on? Let me just
make sure I'm telling you the rightbecause if it's not a Wednesday, it's
not the right day. Yeah,April tenth. April tenth, We're going
to be live streaming from the EnfieldDemon House. We're going to have cameras
set up in each of the rooms, so you'll still be in Tennessee,
but you'll be there to kind ofsee what's going on. But we'll have
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a a camera set up in eachof the bedrooms upstairs and certainly downstairs in
the living area where we were gettinga lot of activity. So if you
are here and you are watching theshow on April tenth, we will be
coming to you live from the EnfieldDemon House and you can check out what's
going on in that house. SoI encourage you to join us. I
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also want to announce, of courseDark Echoes. I've done three episodes.
Actually i've done two episodes. I'vegot one more that we're filming in Pennsylvania
in a few weeks. But theother one was in Huntington, Pennsylvania.
That's hunting like you're going hunting downhunting Don, Pennsylvania, and we filmed
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there and we are having an eventthere on May twenty fifth at one o'clock
and I think there are still ticketsavailable for that. So it's a meet
and greet with the cast and crewat the Haunted location, which is the
Clifton five Theater in Huntington, Pennsylvania. So if you want to come and
spend the night and investigate with usin a haunted theater, we welcome you
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to come out to Pennsylvania and joinus. You can check out Dark Echos
on Facebook and get a link tobecause all the tickets are available on event
bright. Also, if you goon our page here you'll be able to
get the links to it as welland go. But just keep in mind
Enfield has only one ticket left,so if you're interested in going, don't
wait the other one. I thinkthere are plenty of tickets in Pennsylvania,
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which which brings us. And it'sa nice segue into our guests today because
our guest is Tom Gormley. NowTom, Hey, there's the Enfield Demon
House. Hello from Enfield. Rik'sso excited. Yeah, I can't wait.
Jay and Elka and Mary Hello,and Adam. Thanks thanks for joining
us. Tom. I only metback over Labor Day. I was at
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the was it the Salem Para conwith my son and get chatting with him
and we connected. And then whenwe were filming in Pennsylvania for Dark Echos,
I said I need someone to comedrive down with me. Who wants
to go? And he volunteered.Sucker volunteered, and so I said great,
and so he filmed the episode withme, and I think he's going
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to be doing another episode with mecoming up soon, so you'll meet him
here tonight, but you'll also seehim on Dark Echos. So I'm going
to bring you out, Tom.Welcome, Welcome to the show, my
friend. Where are you there?You are? How you doing? A?
Hey? What's going on? Howare you good? I'm so glad
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you came on, and I'm soglad you're going to be able to,
you know, to come back toPennsylvania with me for the other show that
we're doing, the other episode thatwe're doing. But you're involved with the
paranormal arch angel of the paranormal that'ssort of your your thing, right,
that's your name? How did youget that? Long long time ago,
we're talking almost twenty five years.I was just looking at that. Yeah.
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It was almost the point where,after having years of experience doing this
and a lot of times I wouldgo in and help other investigators that could
solve issues in people's homes, tothe point where it was almost like,
you know, when I hate todescribe it this way, when God sent
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the archangel Michael to defeat the devilin battle and all that, so it
was almost like I felt like mycalling was to help others defeat the problems
they were having, and it's almostlike something that caught on somebody like mention
it to me one time in passing. It's almost like, you know,
hey, you helped us out andit just caught on and it just stuck
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with me. Yeah, you knowwhen you have years of experience doing this.
I'm not a demonologist, but I'vestudied demonology parapsychology, and like I've
said before, i'm you know,jack of all trades and the paranormal master
of none. But you know,I'm always at it. I never give
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up on a client or anything likethat. So I'm pretty ferocious when it
comes to helping people be able tosleep at night and overcome their issues.
Do you do a lot of homecases? Still are not so much anymore,
Not too much anymore. I'm doinga lot of promotions, doing a
lot of para cons. I'm actuallyalmost in instructor mode where we do a
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lot of events where people come thatare new to the paranormal want to get
into it, and I try andhelp them learn normal one on one exactly.
So when they come to our eventsand I'm in teaching mode, so
I want to show them people thatare interested, and I take them aside
and just you know, help themout. There's some people that are all
at different levels, so it's almostlike whatever I'm dealing with or talking with
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one on one, I know wherethey're at at and what I could do
to try and help him out andalways let him know that. You know,
my phone's always there if you needme to help you out. So
what's your What is your process?If someone calls you or emails you and
says, hey, I have aproblem. I have a spirit in my
house, it's you know, doingwhatever it does. Yeah, a lot
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of the processes is first you wantto make sure people aren't nuts. But
you know, having a psychology background, you know, because some people just
want attention anything like that, youreally have to dig in get a good
history. I know some people havelittle questionnaires that they go over. After
doing this for a while, it'salmost like it's all up in my head,
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so I know exactly what type ofquestions I'm going to ask where I'm
at, what I'm dealing with.Could it be them, Could it be
this? You know, it couldbe spirits in there. Did they just
change their medication something like that.It could be just about anything. I'm
very into trying to find out exactlywhat's going on first. And history is
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a big thing for me too.I need to know every inch of history
of a place. Also, Ido my due diligence and all that,
because I don't want to just say, oh, I think it's this.
I want to make sure that Iknow ninety eight percent sure that that's what
it is. Because you're never goingto be perfect in the paranormal. So
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I've said it before. My favoritequote is, you're never one hundred percent
right. You're never one hundred percentwrong about the paranormal. That's why it's
paranormal. And you have to doyour best with your experiences that you have
to be able to come up witha solution and how you're going to move
energy from the house, or howto heal whatever's there. Whether I have
to heal the people that are therebecause sometimes they are traumas they manifest these
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hauntings, or is it the spirittrying to tell their story? Do I
have to heal them to give themthe words to make the decision if they
want to move on or not,or figure out how to live with the
other people in the home, right, right, because I you know,
I don't know if you can't getI mean, you kill you. Theoretically,
you know you can cross people.But I feel like they don't want
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to go. They're not going togo. No, they have to make
their own decision. It's the samething if you are a smoker and you
know I told you quit smoking,but it's until you make that decision to
listen to my words, you're justgoing to keep smoking. So it's the
spirit world they still have, youknow, in theory, they still have
free will when they're in that plane, so to make that decision to move
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along or stay. So exactly,Ay, Betsy Williams out and she says,
hey, hey, to Thomas,there we are. Hey Betsy,
she's got the she's got the bestsmile in the paranormal, so you know,
yeah, so she smiles with herher smile and her eyes all smile
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at the same time. Well,I got to tell you after blackout,
I'm usually the most handsome guy inparanoral, but only after you turn then.
Oh, it's funny. I wantedto tell you, Christina. You
know I've told Scott this one timebefore. I think he was on a
podcast and I mentioned it. Ithink I've known Scott for over twenty lifetimes.
That's why we kind of cut itup. Wow, something I've learned
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over those twenty lifetimes is Scott's dadjokes are worse than mine. So that
yes, oh my gosh, dadjoke, every single reliable my son will
just say, why didn't you justgo on dad jokes dot com? Oh
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it's funny today today at work,one of the guys, he's our detailer,
and he's really gotten into the paranormal. And I kind of talked to
him about all the stuff we're doingand being on tonight and all that,
and he had gotten a book forhe went to fly somewhere and he just
bought the book to read on theplane. He only read on the plane.
It's a book of dad jokes.And he actually gave it to me
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today. So that's kind of youmight have to pull it out and recite
some I don't know, they justkind of they just kind of happened.
Oh yeah, they have to theygot they gotta be natural. They got
to fit the situation. The organic, very organic, exactly true. So
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I have to tell you you youintrigued me when we were driving to Pennsylvania.
He had the time in the car, and one of the things that
intrigues me is that you are aprofiler sort of, but you profile the
ghosts, the spirits, yeah,anything on that nature, because you know,
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I think we talked about this before, but what I used to do
for a living is, you know, when you work with the prisoners and
all that, and you're in asituation of trying to quell things in the
different region with crisis management, youhave to learn all about the inmates,
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so you learn the psychology of themto the point where you have to profile.
So something goes off at one ofthe prisons, you have to be
prepared with your team and how you'regoing to approach it. So after I
left the prison, I almost withthat knowledge, I started having a hobby
of profile and historic serial killers andjust trying to figure out, Okay,
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what makes them click. It's up, Matt, and you know when you
do that. It came to thepoint where I started doing it a lot
and became a little bit known forthat. I've done other podcasts about profiling
historic serial killers and all that,and I do a little thing on TikTok
and Facebook and Instagram on Tuesdays,I call it Tuesday Morning Cereal. Just
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a little snippet of sixty seconds aboutweird things that serial killers have done and
all of But I think it's morefor me is educating people about them,
because in our lifetimes, we go, we'll intermingle with thirty seven serial killers,
So that's liken in our lifetime,and you have to be prepared.
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So when I tell these stories,it's not to glorify them. It's to
prepare people to know how crazy somepeople are out there that are walking around,
and be prepared for the red flagsthat you might see, how some
of these people are brought up.And when you know those things, you're
less likely to put yourself in asituation. You know, when you're out
or about, you know, makesure you walk with somebody to the car
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in a situation that you're unaware of. It's just safety of it, you
know, being you know, exlaw enforcement. Those are the things I
do. I used to do bodyguardwork, So those are the things that
you have to help people with andbe aware of those things that keep them
safe. So you know, it'snot glorifying them. I don't care what
anybody says. I'll never glorify somebodythat murders people. That's it's nuts.
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So and I want to remember thevictims in their families and all that and
what they went through and they keepother families from going through that too,
and but well let me. I'mreally interested though, in how you do
it with someone who's not here,how you translate into the paranormal, like
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into into well okay, as anexample, we talked about Adam at the
Shanley Hotel, and I don't knowif you've had any we have talked about
how do you know somebody like thatwhen we don't really you know, all
you're getting is their spirit. Well, a lot of times it is that
communication, especially somebody like yourself thatpicks up on it and what they're telling
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you, how they're delivering it.It's with anything. Most serial killers always
give those red flags and if youknow what you're looking for and that type
of trauma they've had through a lifetimeand why they do the things they do.
It's to the point where I'll talkabout, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer,
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all right, A lot of peopledon't realize is Jeffrey Dahmer. You
know, he grew up his motherleft, his father wasn't really there for
him. He felt abandoned and thatmanifested. That trauma manifested later on.
And you know, that's why heconsumed people because he didn't want them to
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leave him, so he consumed themso they would always be with him.
So when he killed them, hedidn't want them to leave, so he
consumed them. That's, you know, the trauma that comes in with it.
Now, it's with anything when youknow the trauma, whether it be
the living. Sometimes I have toprofile the living that I'm working a case
for or the dead when you getthe history, how did they die?
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What you know? If you couldfind out who lived in the house,
if I'm contacted with them. Butyou have to discern that also because you
don't necessarily be talking to those people, you know they somebody could be disguising
has those people. You never knowwhat spirit you're talking to. So it's
very important to know the his andto discern those types of things because you
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have to be able to do that, to be able to profile properly,
you have to know who you're talkingto, you have to know the history,
and then you have to take thatpsychology part of it too. Just
because they don't have the shell anymore, they still have that ability to have
that trauma that might be holding themhere. You know, it's an old
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shaman thing where trauma holds us back, where your spirit could die, but
also the trauma still there holding youback. It almost becomes two figures.
It's been known in the paranormal thatthere's a spirit there, but al sudden
in the background, I've seen shadowsalong with the spirit, almost like they're
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two people, and that shadow isthe trauma that holds them here on this
plane or whatever you want to callit, or how because we don't know
where we go afterwards, if it'sdifferent, plays, different, whatever,
but that trauma holds I had acase where a gentleman passed away in this
basement of this art gallery, whichwasn't an art gallery at the time,
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but when we did a estes methodwith you know, my friend who was
a psychic medium, so she hadeverything on and she was channeling the gentleman
that died. But every time weasked him do you want to still be
here? And all that, hewould, you know, say help,
and we try and help him.But then all of a sudden, we
had the sls camera going at thesame time. If you know your audience
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knows, it's like the green stickfigures that picks up energy and you could
communicate. So I have the stickfigure of her sitting there, and then
the gentleman has he's talking, she'stalking. He appears. But then every
time I tried to tell him,you have free will, you don't need
to be here anymore, trying toget him to make the decision to move
on, all of a sudden hisdemeanor would change and another figure would pop
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up, and then he'd start swearingat us. But then when the figure
goes away, he asks for helpagain. It was almost like he was
stuck in that trauma was still thereof him not knowing that he died.
He was an alcoholic street person,so it's almost like he died during a
point where he didn't know that hesplit, and it's still there holding him
back, and we're trying to figureout how to help him heal to move
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on. We're you know, I'mstill working on that case. You know,
it's not instantaneous. I know peoplelike watch a lot of TV and
all that, but everything doesn't happenanone day. Yeah, and that's that's
a hard it's a hard case,but I think, you know, I
think we're on the better part ofit right now, and I really want
to help that that spirit move onbecause I feel so bad that he's being
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held back by a trauma that he'sgot to know that it can't hold him
here. He has that free willto go and he just needs to make
that decision and hopefully if we keepat it, that'll happen. So yeah,
it's really an interesting service because youknow they are they're not I mean,
they're people, but they're not physicalpeople. They can't get up and
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walk out of your room like theycan walk out, and so you're dealing
with a spirit that I mean,it's so not concrete, you know,
I don't know what as I'm thinkingof, but it's so it's a very
different way of looking at things.You know, you can't I don't know
if you can reason with them likeyou can reason with people, and you
don't know if you're getting through.You can't get facial expressions or body language
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or any of that to know howthey are. You know, it is
it's almost like you know when youmeet somebody and you're like, oh,
I really like this person and youget that feeling and all that. But
me being an EmPATH, you know, I feel those energies and it's like
what I'm dealing with certain spirits.I sometimes feel that I feel like I'm
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getting through, you know, youget that feeling like things have changed,
the energy changes in the right directionor something like that, or you know.
I use my instrumentation to verify whatI'm feeling. So if I feel
something there, I put a sLS camera and then something pops up and
I say, hey, can youwave? And it waves. I know
I might have an audience, andthen I'm going to try and you know,
communicate that way with my voice recorderand whatever way it wants to come
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through, whether it be visually orwhether it be you know, through the
voice recorder and all that. BecauseI I don't hear Scott, you know,
I know you could pick up onthings, giving you messages and all
that. I don't pick up thingsthat way. I just know when things
are there, and it gives methe ability to be able to say,
Okay, let me check it outwith the piece of equipment. Yeah is
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that a voice and yeah that's yeah, Yeah, that's my well that's my
talking to the cat about that.First time we've had voices come through on
this show. That's why I wasacting. I'm like that, don't always
here them a couple of or toghost my fiance and cat. They're alive.
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We had a cat come through it. Hear the cat meowing. There
was no cat. Well, that'scool, that's really cool. I need
to go back and listen to theshow we did last week to see if
anything came through. I didn't hearit during the show, but you know,
I don't always hear it during theshow. I replay is when you
pick it up. Yeah that Yeah, that Enfield house. I heard so
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much about it years ago when reallythe there was a lot of talk about
it in circles and all that,and I can't remember who it was reached
out to me and wanted me totry and like check it out or whatever
at one time to see what Ithought. I don't remember what happened why
I never went, But you know, things happened for a reason. Sometimes,
you know, I think the rightperson went there when they needed to.
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You never know who's going to bethat person that tunes in on that
energy and is able to you know, I don't say take control of it,
because you really have no control oversomething that of that evil type of
nature. From what they say.You never know with that. But again,
you know, with crisis things,and I've talked about this before,
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but even with you know, whenyou're dealing with a supposed demon or anything
like that, it's just like crisismanagement or once you know somebody's name and
all that, you have control overit. So and I think that's why
a lot of exorcisms and all thatare done they try and get the name
of the demon. But it's withanything. When I deal with somebody and
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once I know their name, ithumanizes them, it brings them back down.
And it's just with anything, whetherI'm humanizing a spirit that may not
be a demon, just might bean angry spirit, which is a majority
of the time. You know,I've been doing this for a long time.
I don't think I've run into anythingthat evil that I know of,
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but you know, you never know. It's that discernment. Sometimes you might
miss what you're doing. I've hada lot of cases where I've second guessed
myself. So, hey, LaurenIrene, earlier, I forgot to say,
either her. Have you dealt withanything that you feel has been evil
like that, non human evil?Yeah, I'm still second guessing myself.
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You know, we're talking over ayear later. I had a case here
in Connecticut, up in the Suffieldarea, and we coined it the murder
House. This house. When wedid the history of it, we find
out back in the nineteen twenties thatthe people that lived there, it was
a man, his wife, hassix children. It was a tobacco field
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that he curated and all that,and he had people working. So there
was a house right by that hadpeople working for him. And he had
gone away on a trip to NewYork for some business, come back,
found on his wife cheated on oneof the borders that are and became enraged
and bludgeoned her to death in frontof his six children and killed her right
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there. What was the kitchen atthe time, But when this house renovated
over the years, there was aback room that used to be the kitchen.
Now, the people that lived inthis house were three guys that looked
like big motorcycle guys and all that. You wouldn't think they'd be afraid of
anything. Well, they reached outto us because in the house they kept
getting you know, they had camerasup, they kept getting these really cool
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looking orbs where I was like,yeah, that's not dust, that's not
bugs, that's you know, that'sactually the way it's moving. There's something
down there that doesn't make sense.And they were getting poltergeist activity where the
basement door was opening and closing atnight, opening and slamming, opening and
slamming to the point where they rolledthe couch against it at night so they
could try and get some sleep.They would have sleep, Yeah, they
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would get sleep palysis, feel likesomething was sitting on them. You know,
they had a one time they wereout partying and I know I don't
think if they were drunk at thetime, but they had a beer can
move at least three feet across thetable, which I know sometimes with oyster
it will move a little bit,but not not that far. Shadow figures
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in the back and all that.So they're you know, pretty freaked out.
So yeah, there's tons of stuffgoing on. But you know,
we ended up going and and anddoing the interviewing them and all that and
determined they're they're not you know,they're they're on the up and up,
and we went to go investigate thehome and hes We're going, Hi,
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Cathy. So as we're going goingthrough the home, I had an SLS
camera up and a friend that Iwas working with at the time, Jenna
Beth, she's the psychic medium,and so she had her phone going and
we're trying to say, Hey,is anybody there, And all of a
sudden, I had that feeling,you know, and the whole shift of
energy changed. My hair stood upme and then all of a sudden,
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two figures pop up in front ofme, and one of the figures looked
like it was bludgeting, the otherone like it was re enacting the murder
from the nineteen twenties. So Istarted trying to communicate. I didn't know
if it was residual or if Icould communicate with it, but it made
it look like it was residual.But as I communicated, the one stick
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figure like moved away, and asI said, you can't do this anymore.
This happened in the past. Wecan't keep this going on. So
trying to talk, bangs on thewall started going off as loud as twenty
two gunshots, but on the videoit didn't sound as loud, but being
there it was like freaky. Imean, anytime it hit it was almost
like I felt like PTSD, likea gunshot, going like, oh my
god, what's going on? SoI was banging or just trying to hang
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in there, and you know,finally the banging stops and the other figures
there and it, you know,it's kind of like rolling like this,
almost like it was hurt. Isaid, if you're the woman and you
don't want to be here anymore,if you don't want to stop, I'm
going to reach my hand out.All you got to do is touch it,
and you can make the decision tomove on. You have free will.
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So I put my hand out andyou could see on the video the
stick figure reaches out and then disappearsoff the sols camera and then everything just
calmed for just like a minute.But when we entered this place, there
was over eight spirits that she pickedup on. But the thing was is
we went through to blessed the house, try to get litter of the negative
energy, keep the good energy inthere. Some of the spirits there were
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family members that we picked up on, but there was one spirit that seemed
to be hiding from us in thebasement, and I was concerned with this.
So when we did the initial blessingand all that, I felt like
I didn't feel like it went right, you know, because sometimes it doesn't
always work on the first time.So we left and at the time my
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bartner that I was working with,she and her husband went to Lake George
and she called me at five inthe morning. She felt the energy of
the house followed her to George andtried to choke her in her sleep.
So we're like, this thing's madat us, and I'm like, this
is not good. And then youknow, she came home and a couple
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of days later, I was sleepingand I have this weird dream of this
woman dressed in that old Burger Kingoutfit, you know, the brown and
the orange, and remember that oldburger came her way back and that mask
looking Oh yeah, it was horrible, and she she was like yelling at
me and then grabbed me by theneck started choking me. And I'm like,
oh, I wake up. AndI still felt the handmarks on my
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neck and it felt like attached again, like it came through that way.
I don't know why Burger King madeno sense to me. But the thing
is is I knew we didn't dosomething enough. We had to go back.
So before we went back, usuallywhen I do a house blessing,
I leave a recorder going, andI was like, well, I was
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so busy at the time because itwas like a busy time of the year,
and I said, let me listento the recording before we go back
again, just to see. Andthe recorder was going down in the basement
because that was where most of theactivity was they were saying was coming from.
So I'm listening to it, andall of a sudden, I heard
this evil laugh and then this metalpoll drop. But you could hear Jennibeth
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and I talking upstairs, and Ihear this down there, so I know
it was downstairs, and I'm like, that's the thing that was hiding from
us, So we have to dosomething about that. So we go back
and Jennibeth, you know she's doesthe shamanistic practices, so you know the
pagan tent. We did something different, which most people when they bless the
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house, they do it a certainway they're used to, so we decided
to do something unprecedented. So wedecided to bless the house four different ways.
So we did a pagan blessing,a shaman blessing, and we did
the you know, the Christian blessing, and did a Tibetan healing bowl and
all that. We just threw thewhole kitchen sink at this place, yeah,
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because we're failing, Like, hey, you know, I think the
property had some Indian energy to it. It had all kinds of different energy.
So we did that blessing and weblessed the people in the home before
they left, you know, whenthey come back, and we salted,
We did you know, everything youcould think of. We were thinking of
it and doing it, you know, holy water, everything, oil,
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everything you could think of. Andfinally they said, we've been able to
sleep, and they hadn't been ableto sleep for like over a year and
a half, so no problems.But the funny thing is is a year
later they decided they were going tosell the house because they kind of had
a falling out the three guys.So whatever was in there, I don't
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think wanted them to leave. Becauseonce they decided and made that decision,
they sent us a recording that everythree hours, for three minutes, they
would have this loud knocking, andI have a recording of it that they
sent and we said, well,do you want us to come over and
you know try and you know,quell that again because you're trying to sell
the house. He didn't want usto come. It's almost like his whole
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demeanor changed about everything going on.I was like, well, I'm going
to sell the house. I'm notworried about it anymore. I don't care
or whatever. Nobody else's problem.Yeah, it's going to be somebody else's
problem. But you know which kindof you know got me a little upset,
So they call us. A coupleof days later, the the realtor
went in and brought a couple inand they were down in the basement and
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she was showing him around and adisembodied voice said get the f out,
and they freaked out. They wentrunning up the stairs and the disembodied voices
you're going to fall, and theguy fell up the stairs. So we
get a call and they told usthis happened, and I'm like, well,
we really need to come and helpyou. He's still didn't care.
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So a few days later they calledus and said that the house sold.
I don't know how the realtor gotit in herself to go back after hearing
that. But a different couple wentin and they nothing happened, and they
ended up, you know, buyingthem the house. I'm starting to think
the spirit didn't like the other coupleand didn't want him there and decided to
act up, or you know,something bad could be there. I'm still
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second guessing myself on that certain energythat's supposedly still there, whether it's evil
or whatever, I don't know.It bothers me and I would love to
go back there, but I knowfrom what I'm hearing later on, yes,
he said they sold the house,but when they did the inspection,
I think him being standoffish and allthat karma hits you sometimes, and I
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guess there was severe termite damage whereit would cost him something like I think
it was like something like seventy somethingthousand dollars and he had already moved out
of the house to Florida. Hewasn't even around, so for him to
continue the sale of the house,he was going to have to get that
taken care of. So I don'tknow if these people ever moved in,
if it ever got done, orif it's still on the market. But
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I can't tell anybody where the placewas, just it was in subfield.
And even if they track the guywhen he murdered, the street name's changed
back in the day to what theyare now, so it'd be very hard
to track that unless you know,you talk to the lady that got us
all the history. But we kneweverything about the guy when he went to
jail. We knew every inmate hehad during the whole time he was in
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jail. That's how much information wehad. But that's what I do.
That's where the going down the rabbithole comes from. I've been known to
be a ferocious historian historic I don'tjump into everything and all that, and
I make sure that I know everythingI need to know. It's I don't
know. The more research you have, the more information you have on something
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like that, it helps you separatethe lore from the truth. You know,
you need to separate those two.You need the actual facts exactly.
That's why a lot of historic placesthey're tough because there's a lot of lore
and then you have to really weighwhat's real what's not. And then sometimes
some of these historians still use thelore. You know, you have to
really do your due diligence. Sometimesyou have to take and who's given you
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the history too? Are they justtrying to promote their town or are they
actually giving you the exact stuff thatyou need, because that could happen.
You really have to know who you'retalking to and how they're delivering it.
Are they giving me the real informationor are they just trying to promote the
area or that certain facility. Yeah, it's interesting because you know, when
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I was in Connecticut on Sunday,I went through without any equipment. I
mean, I didn't have anything withme, and it was what I was
able to pick up psychically, andit was interesting what the owner of the
house was able to corroborate, youknow, and let me know that.
Yeah, that makes sense. Andyou know, what you're feeling is what
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we've felt, and what you're hearingis you know, telling us is what
we know or what we feel.But it'll be really interesting to go back
with the equipment to back that upand see if any of that comes through.
The interesting thing and I will saythis about the house, you know,
I feel like there was these storiesof there was a demon there,
now, you know, I mean, look I've had people call. You
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know, everybody's got a demon,everybody's got a portal, you know what
I mean, in their house.But I will say this about the Demon
house, is that I was theonly one that detected this, probably because
it was psychically, but in acertain part of the house, I detected
rotting flesh, that sick smell.I've never gotten that on an investigation before.
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I had no equipment, there wasno reason for it. There was
nothing, you know, in thatIt was like they had food hanging around.
There's nobody that even lives in thatpart of the house. There was
nothing. I don't know what itwas, but that was the first thing
I thought, is that there's somethingfestering there. That's just I don't know,
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just just there, aren't they What'sthat I'm saying in the house?
Well, it's a duplex, sothey live on one side and then the
other side. They couldn't keep tenantsand they kept leaving because they were having
so many issues. Now, theytold me that, you know, when
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they first had this problem, whenthey first moved in seventeen years earlier,
sixteen years before, it was reallybad. I mean they were getting shadow
animals and crawlers and just and andit's not like that now they thought it
was gone. I'm not sure itis. I'm really not sure it is.
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It feels to me like it's justdormant. And I don't know why
I would get that smell, youknow, it's letting. You know,
from what I've heard, I thinkthe person that finally kind of cleared the
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house up a little bit, therewas almost like a spiritual deal made or
something. From the best way todescribe it. A lot of times things
are still there. It's just whatI talked about the murder house. You
know, we clear that the peopleare able to sleep, but then when
they decide to move, something becomesundormant and starts speaking. You know,
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I think it's the energy and allthat could change. It's just with anything
us as human beings, you know, you love each other and all that,
but all of a sudden, somebodygets into a fight and there's bad
energy and all that. It's almostlike the spirit's there, it's waiting to,
you know, have somebody go againsttheir word. So when I think,
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as far as I know, theperson that helped clear this house out
has kept their word, and Ithink whatever else was there, kept their
word, and it's almost like Ithink the way it's going to be in
me have crossed. I think theymay be dead. I think they passed
away. If I'm not mistaken,I might be wrong on that, but
I feel like the person passed away. Well. I think one part of
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the deal was that they would stepaway and not do this kind of work
anymore exactly. That's that's the whatI what I heard and all that,
and you know, but like I'vetold you, you know a lot of
that. You have to have faithin who you are, you know,
higher being and all that when youdeal with those types of things. You
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know, when I go into ahome, I know it's not me helping.
You know, it's a higher powerthat backs you up. Hence you
know I don't use that archangel theparanormal lightly. I'm not going to get
all you know, religious, it'sspiritual with me. I know, I
know I'm protected, and I havethe confidence that my higher power is protecting
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me, and then I go into try and protect others. And that's
why I do what I do.You know, whether it be the living
that needs to be protected or thedead that needs to be protected, or
anything like that. You know,these things that we don't understand. You
know, we never will, butenough understanding, like I said, use
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my knowledge of what I know andwhat I perceive and hopefully I have enough
knowledge to quell those things or anythinglike that, or work as a team.
I don't work with a lot ofpeople. It's about yet that you
work with. I don't work witha lot of people. I've worked with
people in the past, and it'salmost like I feel with a lot of
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the work I do, I don'twant to put people in danger. I'd
rather check out a place first andthen determine, you know, who I
might be able to bring in tomaybe help out, because it's almost like
certain people have certain abilities that mighthelp out. You know, it's like,
hey, if I had a plumbingissue, I'm going to get a
plumber. So this type of paranormalthat I know somebody's good at, I
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might call them in or all that. So, you know, there's a
lot of people that you get agood rollodex over the years of people that
you could call. But I tendto work by myself on cases and all
that. I know. A lotof people say you shouldn't, but after
all this time, I think it'sdifferent. I'm not new, so I
think I know the risk and allthat. But I do have people on
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call if I go somewhere, youknow, people know where I am or
anything like that. If anything tohappen, someone that always exactly, So
you have to have that. Younever know. But you know, I'm
pretty well protected. You know,I got the good background, so it
was good. The eyes behind myhead. You know, you never know,
because sometimes the the living could bemore dangerous than the dead, So
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that's you gotta be careful. Yeah, some of these cases, you know,
they seem to check out all right, but then all of a sudden,
just the Doctor Jekyll and mister highKick and but you know, it's
hard to deal with home cases.They could be very dangerous and you have
to know what you're doing. Youcan't. I think you got to have
some years under your belt before youreally do them. And you have to
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study. You got to read alot, You got to work with other
people experience. Yeah, work withexperienced investigators exactly. You know, I
like I told you, you know, I started out for a couple of
years. I learned some of thein ands and outs early on in life
with you know, back in themid eighties, I got my start with
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Edel Lorrain Warren, but you know, they're very religious to the point where
how they do things and all that. And then after you know, I
went off to college, I kindof became dormant for a little while.
And then after my mom passed awaytwenty twelve, you know, I was
always doing stuff, but I thinkI really dove in after that and made
more of a commitment to help peoplebecause you know, hey, I was
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more learning for my mom's loss andalmost to the point where I want people
to have to go through that.Sometimes you console people that have past loved
ones. It's understanding the possibility ofwhat might happen to us after we leave
our shell and join the spirit worldand whatever that means. So yeah,
I agree. Interesting, I don'tknow, I think that I think being
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able to navigate through the sea ofinformation that you get is really a gift
in and of itself, because Imean, I know you have a background
that you know, I don't havethe background and the things that you have,
but it's hard to weave through.You know, once you've gotten past
the fact that they're not crazy,then you get you know, well,
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what is this and who do Ineed to help me? Do I need
someone to help me? I thinknavigating that is. See. I tend
to be somewhat skeptical. And Idon't mean skeptical. I mean I am
skeptical, but I'm skeptical of people, and I don't know that I I
don't think I have the ability toget through the first part of it,
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like are you crazy? Because that'sjust where my mind goes, Like I
feel like you're guilty until prove itinnocent. I feel, you know,
if you're telling me that it juststarted happening, I get skeptical. You
know, you've lived in the housefor ten years, but it just started
happening. Or that you're seeing faceson your dinner napkins, you know,
stuff like that makes me go,I don't know, I'm not so sure
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about this. But if you justmoved into the house and there's something,
I'm still not saying it's paranormal,but I feel a little better about it.
But I feel like some of thesethings it's just too you know,
you've been around long enough to knowit just doesn't really manifest that way.
You know, it's not going toshow up on your dinnernet. But you're
you're right, you're right. Butyou can never disregard anything. I've learned
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a long time ago that yes,just because we think it can't happen,
doesn't mean it can't happen. Right, Those are the things that you have
to discern. I know a lotof people they make fun of, Oh,
that's just dust, that's a dustorb, or that's a bug or
anything like that. What we reallyneed to look at is, you know,
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with this, if you look atsomething like that, like a dust
kickup, who's to say that aspirit didn't create that dust kickup to get
your attention and that's why that appearedthat way. We don't know everybody's like,
yeah, it's just dust, oryou don't want to just pooh pooh
anybody, or anything like that.You really have to take everything in.
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You really have to read people theireye movement, their body language. Are
they telling me the truth? What'sreally going on here? What is making
them talk this way? You know, sometimes it's saying spirit attachment changes people's
demeanor or anything like that. Sometimesyou could tell when somebody has an attachment
just by how they're acting, orif you talk to their family and they
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say, well, yeah, wella few months ago, all of a
sudden this started happening. What's thetrauma that's going on? Is it something
psychological or is a spirit like doingsomething? And it just gets to the
point it gets so crazy and ityou you have to have critical thinking,
you have to think outside the box. It's not easy, you know.
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I know a lot of people dothis, and I've talked about it like
before. There's so much different typesof paranormal. You know, people are
good at certain things and all that. And I always claim, you know,
I always say that it's like music. So you know music, you
know, some people like countries,some people like rock, whatever. It's
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just like paranormal. Some people areinto the demonology, some people are in
the spiritual side, some people readterrort cards. But it's still all paranormal,
you know, just like country androck. Yeah. So, but
I'm never going to tell you can'tdo it that way. Nobody knows the
right way, you know. Itall comes down to you. And I
talk about this in my talks allthe time. When I start a conversation,
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when I talk to you know,whoever, we're at a para con
or anything like that. You don'thave to believe anything I say. You
know, these are my experiences.This is what happened to me. You
know, I could talk about mymy murder house. Some people that are
listening tonight says, yeah, he'sprobably full of it, but no,
that's what I experienced. That's whathappened to me there. Whether you're gonna
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believe it or not, it doesn'tmatter to me because that was my experience,
in my experience. If that helpsyou understand the paranormal a little better
or it helps heal you, thenI did my job. But I don't
expect you to believe everything I say, because you never know. But that
was my experience. That's what Igot from it. And over all these
years, these are experiences that I'vehad. But not everybody's gonna have the
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same experience. Everybody has a differentfingerprint, you know, so everybody experiences
things very much differently. But youknow, after a while, I could
give information and if that helps youmove on or you know, you're gonna
get a lot of people in thisindustry to say, ah, you're full
of it all this other stuff,that's fine too. I don't mind because
no matter what you say, youcan't change the experience I had. It's
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true, you know, you saidyou can tell sometimes when someone has an
attachment by how they mean. Whatis that look? It's it's almost the
eye movement, you know. It'sjust it's sometimes it's unnatural, and it
is the old saying that your eyesare the the picture to your soul.
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It's almost like you could tell bylooking somebody in the eyes when something isn't
right, something is off. Isn'ta psychological thing, this is something that
they're not acting normal. It's adiscernment. Am I really good at it?
No? I think there's people thatare better at it. But I
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think it comes down to, youknow, reading them like that. Just
from my law enforcement background and dealingwith people that have twenty four to seven
to try and get one over onyou. They're always trying to manipulate you.
And you're in that psychologically day inand day out for the years that
I did it. You know,you don't know, so you never know.
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Tom. There's a question here.Mary Alice says, when someone has
an attachment, do you mean anevil attachment? Can there be an attachment
that's not evil? Well, yeah, there's tons of things that you know.
Sometimes people don't know their psychic andsomething could channel through you just trying
to get their story out. Itdoesn't have to necessarily be evil. There
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is the possibility. But again wetalk about demons tonight, we talk about
evil. There are people that whenthey die, you know, there are
jerks in life. They're still goingto be jerks. But the possibility of
a demon is like point zero zerozero one. You know your lottery ticket.
That's why they make movies about it. But you still have to be
prepared for it. You know thatthat point zero's and urals are a one.
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You never know what it's going tohappen, and you have to be
ready for it. You have todo your best and know that you have
faith and that you know higher poweris working through you to help whoever is
going through that situation. I justwant to say something on that too.
We only have a couple of minutesleft, so I just I'll make it
quick. But and it's not anattachment. So I want to preface this
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by saying it's not an attachment.But I know when I read sometimes people
will say to me, why,why why were you doing this? Like
I'm rubbing my Yeah, you're channelingme be a facial expression. It could
be mannerism. It could be somethingI said, or you know, you
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say it a certain way, andI feel like that's a that's some it's
not that they're it's not like I'min trance, but there's something that spirit
can affect you to act and dothings in certain ways. They're not evil.
You know, it's somebody's grandma.Oh, they're they're giving you a
thought. The spirit guide's given youa thought that, hey, rub your
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chin that way. That's how thatperson's father used to do it, right,
and you don't need to. Yeah, sometimes you're getting messages. I
guess if you see a like arose and oh it was my aunt Rose
or whatever, that's shown you howto pervade that message. And sometimes they
give you that mannerism. Sometimes youdon't even know why you're doing it,
like you know, pick us uponit. I'm gonna have like a minute
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and a half. Can you answerthis real quick? Mary asked, have
you ever met someone that knew thatis it? I don't know if it's
new that they had an attachment oryou knew that they had an attachment I'm
not sure what I It's funny.I was at the Connecticut Para con a
couple of years ago and this gentlemancame up to me. He says,
nobody will help me. I've hadthis attachment for years and all this other
stuff. And he was pretty wildabout it. I think, to the
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point where things have been bothering himfor so long that it changed his psychological
demeanor. So it was hard todiscern. But I could feel that things
were affecting him, but at thatmoment that he was out of the house,
it wasn't really affecting him at thetime. And that's what I was
telling him. I says, really, it's not affect He says, yeah,
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they're not with me now, andI said, well, that's what
I see. But I could seethat psychologically it's changed him to the point
where I think somebody that isn't aswell versed is not going to be able
to decipher that. They're just goingto say the guy's a wacko. You
know. I told him it's moreof I'd want to see him in his
home and how things changed for himafter I met him. But he,
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you know, he was like veryerratic and never gave me his number and
how to reach out to him andall that, but hopefully, you know,
maybe I'll see him again or something. But so, Tom, I
want to thank you for being here, only about a minute left. I
want to thank you for being hereand coming on the show tonight because I
think this is fascinating. I alsowant to just remind everyone please if you
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want tickets to either of these events, you can go on Facebook, Dark
Echos Paranormal, get the link there. Go on my Facebook pages a link
to the events there as well,and you can you can get the link
and get tickets. I think there'sone left in the Demon House, and
there's a few left for the CliftonFive at Huntington, Pennsylvania. So thank
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you for being here. Definitely haveto have you back. What are you
going to say? Yeah, Well, I just want to let everybody know
if they want to go on theHaunted Trolley ride with us in April Connecticut,
Para CON's coming up sale in ParaCon, any of the psychic faars
that we're doing. It's all onmy website and I'm always posting that.
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Happy Wednesday, everyone, and welcomeback to the Paranormal Project Radio Show.
Hi Christina, how are you?I am great tonight. How are
you doing? Scott? Okay,glad to be here. So last week
we were at the Nfield Demon Houseand I do have an announcement that I
want to make a that because I'mkind of excited. So I went and
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we do have an event. HeyRyan, Hi Bob, good to see
you. We have an event there. There's one ticket left if you want
to check out this place, andI'll talk to you more about that.
But we went to the Enfield DemonHouse and filmed an episode for Dark Echos
Paranormal, which is on Amazon Primeand also Paraflex if you have access to
that. That's coming up this spring, I would imagine. But we went
(01:26):
through and I'm not going to gothrough what we got because I feel like
you'll find that out when you seewhen you see the episode. But I'm
going to tell you the place isno joke. We are running an episode.
Sorry, we are running an event. There. There is one ticket
left and this is for oh what'sthe date I wrote it down April twentieth
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and Enfield, so it's that farout and we just have one ticket left.
So if anyone is in the Connecticutarea and you want to check this
place out. It's a small home, so there's a limited number of people
that they can allow in. Andit is no joke. I mean,
I was getting the chills. Wetalk about the demon being gone, I'm
not so sure. I think thedemon might still be there, kind of
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lying dorm and you'll see what Imean. But I do have another announcement
to make regarding that house. Itseemed to be a lot of people questioning
the house and what the activity was. So on April tenth, we are
going to be live streaming from theEnfield Demon House. Am I giving us
(02:36):
the right date? The tenth?Right? Hang on? Let me just
make sure I'm telling you the rightbecause if it's not a Wednesday, it's
not the right day. Yeah,April tenth. April tenth, We're going
to be live streaming from the EnfieldDemon House. We're going to have cameras
set up in each of the rooms, so you'll still be in Tennessee,
but you'll be there to kind ofsee what's going on. But we'll have
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a a camera set up in eachof the bedrooms upstairs and certainly downstairs in
the living area where we were gettinga lot of activity. So if you
are here and you are watching theshow on April tenth, we will be
coming to you live from the EnfieldDemon House and you can check out what's
going on in that house. SoI encourage you to join us. I
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also want to announce, of courseDark Echoes. I've done three episodes.
Actually i've done two episodes. I'vegot one more that we're filming in Pennsylvania
in a few weeks. But theother one was in Huntington, Pennsylvania.
That's hunting like you're going hunting downhunting Don, Pennsylvania, and we filmed
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there and we are having an eventthere on May twenty fifth at one o'clock
and I think there are still ticketsavailable for that. So it's a meet
and greet with the cast and crewat the Haunted location, which is the
Clifton five Theater in Huntington, Pennsylvania. So if you want to come and
spend the night and investigate with usin a haunted theater, we welcome you
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to come out to Pennsylvania and joinus. You can check out Dark Echos
on Facebook and get a link tobecause all the tickets are available on event
bright. Also, if you goon our page here you'll be able to
get the links to it as welland go. But just keep in mind
Enfield has only one ticket left,so if you're interested in going, don't
wait the other one. I thinkthere are plenty of tickets in Pennsylvania,
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which which brings us. And it'sa nice segue into our guests today because
our guest is Tom Gormley. NowTom, Hey, there's the Enfield Demon
House. Hello from Enfield. Rik'sso excited. Yeah, I can't wait.
Jay and Elka and Mary Hello,and Adam. Thanks thanks for joining
us. Tom. I only metback over Labor Day. I was at
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the was it the Salem Para conwith my son and get chatting with him
and we connected. And then whenwe were filming in Pennsylvania for Dark Echos,
I said I need someone to comedrive down with me. Who wants
to go? And he volunteered.Sucker volunteered, and so I said great,
and so he filmed the episode withme, and I think he's going
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to be doing another episode with mecoming up soon, so you'll meet him
here tonight, but you'll also seehim on Dark Echos. So I'm going
to bring you out, Tom.Welcome, Welcome to the show, my
friend. Where are you there?You are? How you doing? A?
Hey? What's going on? Howare you good? I'm so glad
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you came on, and I'm soglad you're going to be able to,
you know, to come back toPennsylvania with me for the other show that
we're doing, the other episode thatwe're doing. But you're involved with the
paranormal arch angel of the paranormal that'ssort of your your thing, right,
that's your name? How did youget that? Long long time ago,
we're talking almost twenty five years.I was just looking at that. Yeah.
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It was almost the point where,after having years of experience doing this
and a lot of times I wouldgo in and help other investigators that could
solve issues in people's homes, tothe point where it was almost like,
you know, when I hate todescribe it this way, when God sent
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the archangel Michael to defeat the devilin battle and all that, so it
was almost like I felt like mycalling was to help others defeat the problems
they were having, and it's almostlike something that caught on somebody like mention
it to me one time in passing. It's almost like, you know,
hey, you helped us out andit just caught on and it just stuck
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with me. Yeah, you knowwhen you have years of experience doing this.
I'm not a demonologist, but I'vestudied demonology parapsychology, and like I've
said before, i'm you know,jack of all trades and the paranormal master
of none. But you know,I'm always at it. I never give
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up on a client or anything likethat. So I'm pretty ferocious when it
comes to helping people be able tosleep at night and overcome their issues.
Do you do a lot of homecases? Still are not so much anymore,
Not too much anymore. I'm doinga lot of promotions, doing a
lot of para cons. I'm actuallyalmost in instructor mode where we do a
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lot of events where people come thatare new to the paranormal want to get
into it, and I try andhelp them learn normal one on one exactly.
So when they come to our eventsand I'm in teaching mode, so
I want to show them people thatare interested, and I take them aside
and just you know, help themout. There's some people that are all
at different levels, so it's almostlike whatever I'm dealing with or talking with
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one on one, I know wherethey're at at and what I could do
to try and help him out andalways let him know that. You know,
my phone's always there if you needme to help you out. So
what's your What is your process?If someone calls you or emails you and
says, hey, I have aproblem. I have a spirit in my
house, it's you know, doingwhatever it does. Yeah, a lot
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of the processes is first you wantto make sure people aren't nuts. But
you know, having a psychology background, you know, because some people just
want attention anything like that, youreally have to dig in get a good
history. I know some people havelittle questionnaires that they go over. After
doing this for a while, it'salmost like it's all up in my head,
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so I know exactly what type ofquestions I'm going to ask where I'm
at, what I'm dealing with.Could it be them, Could it be
this? You know, it couldbe spirits in there. Did they just
change their medication something like that.It could be just about anything. I'm
very into trying to find out exactlywhat's going on first. And history is
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a big thing for me too.I need to know every inch of history
of a place. Also, Ido my due diligence and all that,
because I don't want to just say, oh, I think it's this.
I want to make sure that Iknow ninety eight percent sure that that's what
it is. Because you're never goingto be perfect in the paranormal. So
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I've said it before. My favoritequote is, you're never one hundred percent
right. You're never one hundred percentwrong about the paranormal. That's why it's
paranormal. And you have to doyour best with your experiences that you have
to be able to come up witha solution and how you're going to move
energy from the house, or howto heal whatever's there. Whether I have
to heal the people that are therebecause sometimes they are traumas they manifest these
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hauntings, or is it the spirittrying to tell their story? Do I
have to heal them to give themthe words to make the decision if they
want to move on or not,or figure out how to live with the
other people in the home, right, right, because I you know,
I don't know if you can't getI mean, you kill you. Theoretically,
you know you can cross people.But I feel like they don't want
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to go. They're not going togo. No, they have to make
their own decision. It's the samething if you are a smoker and you
know I told you quit smoking,but it's until you make that decision to
listen to my words, you're justgoing to keep smoking. So it's the
spirit world they still have, youknow, in theory, they still have
free will when they're in that plane, so to make that decision to move
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along or stay. So exactly,Ay, Betsy Williams out and she says,
hey, hey, to Thomas,there we are. Hey Betsy,
she's got the she's got the bestsmile in the paranormal, so you know,
yeah, so she smiles with herher smile and her eyes all smile
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at the same time. Well,I got to tell you after blackout,
I'm usually the most handsome guy inparanoral, but only after you turn then.
Oh, it's funny. I wantedto tell you, Christina. You
know I've told Scott this one timebefore. I think he was on a
podcast and I mentioned it. Ithink I've known Scott for over twenty lifetimes.
That's why we kind of cut itup. Wow, something I've learned
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over those twenty lifetimes is Scott's dadjokes are worse than mine. So that
yes, oh my gosh, dadjoke, every single reliable my son will
just say, why didn't you justgo on dad jokes dot com? Oh
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it's funny today today at work,one of the guys, he's our detailer,
and he's really gotten into the paranormal. And I kind of talked to
him about all the stuff we're doingand being on tonight and all that,
and he had gotten a book forhe went to fly somewhere and he just
bought the book to read on theplane. He only read on the plane.
It's a book of dad jokes.And he actually gave it to me
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today. So that's kind of youmight have to pull it out and recite
some I don't know, they justkind of they just kind of happened.
Oh yeah, they have to theygot they gotta be natural. They got
to fit the situation. The organic, very organic, exactly true. So
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I have to tell you you youintrigued me when we were driving to Pennsylvania.
He had the time in the car, and one of the things that
intrigues me is that you are aprofiler sort of, but you profile the
ghosts, the spirits, yeah,anything on that nature, because you know,
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I think we talked about this before, but what I used to do
for a living is, you know, when you work with the prisoners and
all that, and you're in asituation of trying to quell things in the
different region with crisis management, youhave to learn all about the inmates,
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so you learn the psychology of themto the point where you have to profile.
So something goes off at one ofthe prisons, you have to be
prepared with your team and how you'regoing to approach it. So after I
left the prison, I almost withthat knowledge, I started having a hobby
of profile and historic serial killers andjust trying to figure out, Okay,
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what makes them click. It's up, Matt, and you know when you
do that. It came to thepoint where I started doing it a lot
and became a little bit known forthat. I've done other podcasts about profiling
historic serial killers and all that,and I do a little thing on TikTok
and Facebook and Instagram on Tuesdays,I call it Tuesday Morning Cereal. Just
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a little snippet of sixty seconds aboutweird things that serial killers have done and
all of But I think it's morefor me is educating people about them,
because in our lifetimes, we go, we'll intermingle with thirty seven serial killers,
So that's liken in our lifetime,and you have to be prepared.
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So when I tell these stories,it's not to glorify them. It's to
prepare people to know how crazy somepeople are out there that are walking around,
and be prepared for the red flagsthat you might see, how some
of these people are brought up.And when you know those things, you're
less likely to put yourself in asituation. You know, when you're out
or about, you know, makesure you walk with somebody to the car
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in a situation that you're unaware of. It's just safety of it, you
know, being you know, exlaw enforcement. Those are the things I
do. I used to do bodyguardwork, So those are the things that
you have to help people with andbe aware of those things that keep them
safe. So you know, it'snot glorifying them. I don't care what
anybody says. I'll never glorify somebodythat murders people. That's it's nuts.
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So and I want to remember thevictims in their families and all that and
what they went through and they keepother families from going through that too,
and but well let me. I'mreally interested though, in how you do
it with someone who's not here,how you translate into the paranormal, like
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into into well okay, as anexample, we talked about Adam at the
Shanley Hotel, and I don't knowif you've had any we have talked about
how do you know somebody like thatwhen we don't really you know, all
you're getting is their spirit. Well, a lot of times it is that
communication, especially somebody like yourself thatpicks up on it and what they're telling
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you, how they're delivering it.It's with anything. Most serial killers always
give those red flags and if youknow what you're looking for and that type
of trauma they've had through a lifetimeand why they do the things they do.
It's to the point where I'll talkabout, you know, Jeffrey Dahmer,
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all right, A lot of peopledon't realize is Jeffrey Dahmer. You
know, he grew up his motherleft, his father wasn't really there for
him. He felt abandoned and thatmanifested. That trauma manifested later on.
And you know, that's why heconsumed people because he didn't want them to
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leave him, so he consumed themso they would always be with him.
So when he killed them, hedidn't want them to leave, so he
consumed them. That's, you know, the trauma that comes in with it.
Now, it's with anything when youknow the trauma, whether it be
the living. Sometimes I have toprofile the living that I'm working a case
for or the dead when you getthe history, how did they die?
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What you know? If you couldfind out who lived in the house,
if I'm contacted with them. Butyou have to discern that also because you
don't necessarily be talking to those people, you know they somebody could be disguising
has those people. You never knowwhat spirit you're talking to. So it's
very important to know the his andto discern those types of things because you
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have to be able to do that, to be able to profile properly,
you have to know who you're talkingto, you have to know the history,
and then you have to take thatpsychology part of it too. Just
because they don't have the shell anymore, they still have that ability to have
that trauma that might be holding themhere. You know, it's an old
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shaman thing where trauma holds us back, where your spirit could die, but
also the trauma still there holding youback. It almost becomes two figures.
It's been known in the paranormal thatthere's a spirit there, but al sudden
in the background, I've seen shadowsalong with the spirit, almost like they're
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two people, and that shadow isthe trauma that holds them here on this
plane or whatever you want to callit, or how because we don't know
where we go afterwards, if it'sdifferent, plays, different, whatever,
but that trauma holds I had acase where a gentleman passed away in this
basement of this art gallery, whichwasn't an art gallery at the time,
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but when we did a estes methodwith you know, my friend who was
a psychic medium, so she hadeverything on and she was channeling the gentleman
that died. But every time weasked him do you want to still be
here? And all that, hewould, you know, say help,
and we try and help him.But then all of a sudden, we
had the sls camera going at thesame time. If you know your audience
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knows, it's like the green stickfigures that picks up energy and you could
communicate. So I have the stickfigure of her sitting there, and then
the gentleman has he's talking, she'stalking. He appears. But then every
time I tried to tell him,you have free will, you don't need
to be here anymore, trying toget him to make the decision to move
on, all of a sudden hisdemeanor would change and another figure would pop
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up, and then he'd start swearingat us. But then when the figure
goes away, he asks for helpagain. It was almost like he was
stuck in that trauma was still thereof him not knowing that he died.
He was an alcoholic street person,so it's almost like he died during a
point where he didn't know that hesplit, and it's still there holding him
back, and we're trying to figureout how to help him heal to move
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on. We're you know, I'mstill working on that case. You know,
it's not instantaneous. I know peoplelike watch a lot of TV and
all that, but everything doesn't happenanone day. Yeah, and that's that's
a hard it's a hard case,but I think, you know, I
think we're on the better part ofit right now, and I really want
to help that that spirit move onbecause I feel so bad that he's being
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held back by a trauma that he'sgot to know that it can't hold him
here. He has that free willto go and he just needs to make
that decision and hopefully if we keepat it, that'll happen. So yeah,
it's really an interesting service because youknow they are they're not I mean,
they're people, but they're not physicalpeople. They can't get up and
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walk out of your room like theycan walk out, and so you're dealing
with a spirit that I mean,it's so not concrete, you know,
I don't know what as I'm thinkingof, but it's so it's a very
different way of looking at things.You know, you can't I don't know
if you can reason with them likeyou can reason with people, and you
don't know if you're getting through.You can't get facial expressions or body language
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or any of that to know howthey are. You know, it is
it's almost like you know when youmeet somebody and you're like, oh,
I really like this person and youget that feeling and all that. But
me being an EmPATH, you know, I feel those energies and it's like
what I'm dealing with certain spirits.I sometimes feel that I feel like I'm
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getting through, you know, youget that feeling like things have changed,
the energy changes in the right directionor something like that, or you know.
I use my instrumentation to verify whatI'm feeling. So if I feel
something there, I put a sLS camera and then something pops up and
I say, hey, can youwave? And it waves. I know
I might have an audience, andthen I'm going to try and you know,
communicate that way with my voice recorderand whatever way it wants to come
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through, whether it be visually orwhether it be you know, through the
voice recorder and all that. BecauseI I don't hear Scott, you know,
I know you could pick up onthings, giving you messages and all
that. I don't pick up thingsthat way. I just know when things
are there, and it gives methe ability to be able to say,
Okay, let me check it outwith the piece of equipment. Yeah is
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that a voice and yeah that's yeah, Yeah, that's my well that's my
talking to the cat about that.First time we've had voices come through on
this show. That's why I wasacting. I'm like that, don't always
here them a couple of or toghost my fiance and cat. They're alive.
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We had a cat come through it. Hear the cat meowing. There
was no cat. Well, that'scool, that's really cool. I need
to go back and listen to theshow we did last week to see if
anything came through. I didn't hearit during the show, but you know,
I don't always hear it during theshow. I replay is when you
pick it up. Yeah that Yeah, that Enfield house. I heard so
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much about it years ago when reallythe there was a lot of talk about
it in circles and all that,and I can't remember who it was reached
out to me and wanted me totry and like check it out or whatever
at one time to see what Ithought. I don't remember what happened why
I never went, But you know, things happened for a reason. Sometimes,
you know, I think the rightperson went there when they needed to.
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You never know who's going to bethat person that tunes in on that
energy and is able to you know, I don't say take control of it,
because you really have no control oversomething that of that evil type of
nature. From what they say.You never know with that. But again,
you know, with crisis things,and I've talked about this before,
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but even with you know, whenyou're dealing with a supposed demon or anything
like that, it's just like crisismanagement or once you know somebody's name and
all that, you have control overit. So and I think that's why
a lot of exorcisms and all thatare done they try and get the name
of the demon. But it's withanything. When I deal with somebody and
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once I know their name, ithumanizes them, it brings them back down.
And it's just with anything, whetherI'm humanizing a spirit that may not
be a demon, just might bean angry spirit, which is a majority
of the time. You know,I've been doing this for a long time.
I don't think I've run into anythingthat evil that I know of,
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but you know, you never know. It's that discernment. Sometimes you might
miss what you're doing. I've hada lot of cases where I've second guessed
myself. So, hey, LaurenIrene, earlier, I forgot to say,
either her. Have you dealt withanything that you feel has been evil
like that, non human evil?Yeah, I'm still second guessing myself.
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You know, we're talking over ayear later. I had a case here
in Connecticut, up in the Suffieldarea, and we coined it the murder
House. This house. When wedid the history of it, we find
out back in the nineteen twenties thatthe people that lived there, it was
a man, his wife, hassix children. It was a tobacco field
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that he curated and all that,and he had people working. So there
was a house right by that hadpeople working for him. And he had
gone away on a trip to NewYork for some business, come back,
found on his wife cheated on oneof the borders that are and became enraged
and bludgeoned her to death in frontof his six children and killed her right
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there. What was the kitchen atthe time, But when this house renovated
over the years, there was aback room that used to be the kitchen.
Now, the people that lived inthis house were three guys that looked
like big motorcycle guys and all that. You wouldn't think they'd be afraid of
anything. Well, they reached outto us because in the house they kept
getting you know, they had camerasup, they kept getting these really cool
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looking orbs where I was like,yeah, that's not dust, that's not
bugs, that's you know, that'sactually the way it's moving. There's something
down there that doesn't make sense.And they were getting poltergeist activity where the
basement door was opening and closing atnight, opening and slamming, opening and
slamming to the point where they rolledthe couch against it at night so they
could try and get some sleep.They would have sleep, Yeah, they
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would get sleep palysis, feel likesomething was sitting on them. You know,
they had a one time they wereout partying and I know I don't
think if they were drunk at thetime, but they had a beer can
move at least three feet across thetable, which I know sometimes with oyster
it will move a little bit,but not not that far. Shadow figures
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in the back and all that.So they're you know, pretty freaked out.
So yeah, there's tons of stuffgoing on. But you know,
we ended up going and and anddoing the interviewing them and all that and
determined they're they're not you know,they're they're on the up and up,
and we went to go investigate thehome and hes We're going, Hi,
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Cathy. So as we're going goingthrough the home, I had an SLS
camera up and a friend that Iwas working with at the time, Jenna
Beth, she's the psychic medium,and so she had her phone going and
we're trying to say, Hey,is anybody there, And all of a
sudden, I had that feeling,you know, and the whole shift of
energy changed. My hair stood upme and then all of a sudden,
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two figures pop up in front ofme, and one of the figures looked
like it was bludgeting, the otherone like it was re enacting the murder
from the nineteen twenties. So Istarted trying to communicate. I didn't know
if it was residual or if Icould communicate with it, but it made
it look like it was residual.But as I communicated, the one stick
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figure like moved away, and asI said, you can't do this anymore.
This happened in the past. Wecan't keep this going on. So
trying to talk, bangs on thewall started going off as loud as twenty
two gunshots, but on the videoit didn't sound as loud, but being
there it was like freaky. Imean, anytime it hit it was almost
like I felt like PTSD, likea gunshot, going like, oh my
god, what's going on? SoI was banging or just trying to hang
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in there, and you know,finally the banging stops and the other figures
there and it, you know,it's kind of like rolling like this,
almost like it was hurt. Isaid, if you're the woman and you
don't want to be here anymore,if you don't want to stop, I'm
going to reach my hand out.All you got to do is touch it,
and you can make the decision tomove on. You have free will.
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So I put my hand out andyou could see on the video the
stick figure reaches out and then disappearsoff the sols camera and then everything just
calmed for just like a minute.But when we entered this place, there
was over eight spirits that she pickedup on. But the thing was is
we went through to blessed the house, try to get litter of the negative
energy, keep the good energy inthere. Some of the spirits there were
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family members that we picked up on, but there was one spirit that seemed
to be hiding from us in thebasement, and I was concerned with this.
So when we did the initial blessingand all that, I felt like
I didn't feel like it went right, you know, because sometimes it doesn't
always work on the first time.So we left and at the time my
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bartner that I was working with,she and her husband went to Lake George
and she called me at five inthe morning. She felt the energy of
the house followed her to George andtried to choke her in her sleep.
So we're like, this thing's madat us, and I'm like, this
is not good. And then youknow, she came home and a couple
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of days later, I was sleepingand I have this weird dream of this
woman dressed in that old Burger Kingoutfit, you know, the brown and
the orange, and remember that oldburger came her way back and that mask
looking Oh yeah, it was horrible, and she she was like yelling at
me and then grabbed me by theneck started choking me. And I'm like,
oh, I wake up. AndI still felt the handmarks on my
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neck and it felt like attached again, like it came through that way.
I don't know why Burger King madeno sense to me. But the thing
is is I knew we didn't dosomething enough. We had to go back.
So before we went back, usuallywhen I do a house blessing,
I leave a recorder going, andI was like, well, I was
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so busy at the time because itwas like a busy time of the year,
and I said, let me listento the recording before we go back
again, just to see. Andthe recorder was going down in the basement
because that was where most of theactivity was they were saying was coming from.
So I'm listening to it, andall of a sudden, I heard
this evil laugh and then this metalpoll drop. But you could hear Jennibeth
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and I talking upstairs, and Ihear this down there, so I know
it was downstairs, and I'm like, that's the thing that was hiding from
us, So we have to dosomething about that. So we go back
and Jennibeth, you know she's doesthe shamanistic practices, so you know the
pagan tent. We did something different, which most people when they bless the
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house, they do it a certainway they're used to, so we decided
to do something unprecedented. So wedecided to bless the house four different ways.
So we did a pagan blessing,a shaman blessing, and we did
the you know, the Christian blessing, and did a Tibetan healing bowl and
all that. We just threw thewhole kitchen sink at this place, yeah,
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because we're failing, Like, hey, you know, I think the
property had some Indian energy to it. It had all kinds of different energy.
So we did that blessing and weblessed the people in the home before
they left, you know, whenthey come back, and we salted,
We did you know, everything youcould think of. We were thinking of
it and doing it, you know, holy water, everything, oil,
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everything you could think of. Andfinally they said, we've been able to
sleep, and they hadn't been ableto sleep for like over a year and
a half, so no problems.But the funny thing is is a year
later they decided they were going tosell the house because they kind of had
a falling out the three guys.So whatever was in there, I don't
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think wanted them to leave. Becauseonce they decided and made that decision,
they sent us a recording that everythree hours, for three minutes, they
would have this loud knocking, andI have a recording of it that they
sent and we said, well,do you want us to come over and
you know try and you know,quell that again because you're trying to sell
the house. He didn't want usto come. It's almost like his whole
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demeanor changed about everything going on.I was like, well, I'm going
to sell the house. I'm notworried about it anymore. I don't care
or whatever. Nobody else's problem.Yeah, it's going to be somebody else's
problem. But you know which kindof you know got me a little upset,
So they call us. A coupleof days later, the the realtor
went in and brought a couple inand they were down in the basement and
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she was showing him around and adisembodied voice said get the f out,
and they freaked out. They wentrunning up the stairs and the disembodied voices
you're going to fall, and theguy fell up the stairs. So we
get a call and they told usthis happened, and I'm like, well,
we really need to come and helpyou. He's still didn't care.
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So a few days later they calledus and said that the house sold.
I don't know how the realtor gotit in herself to go back after hearing
that. But a different couple wentin and they nothing happened, and they
ended up, you know, buyingthem the house. I'm starting to think
the spirit didn't like the other coupleand didn't want him there and decided to
act up, or you know,something bad could be there. I'm still
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second guessing myself on that certain energythat's supposedly still there, whether it's evil
or whatever, I don't know.It bothers me and I would love to
go back there, but I knowfrom what I'm hearing later on, yes,
he said they sold the house,but when they did the inspection,
I think him being standoffish and allthat karma hits you sometimes, and I
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guess there was severe termite damage whereit would cost him something like I think
it was like something like seventy somethingthousand dollars and he had already moved out
of the house to Florida. Hewasn't even around, so for him to
continue the sale of the house,he was going to have to get that
taken care of. So I don'tknow if these people ever moved in,
if it ever got done, orif it's still on the market. But
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I can't tell anybody where the placewas, just it was in subfield.
And even if they track the guywhen he murdered, the street name's changed
back in the day to what theyare now, so it'd be very hard
to track that unless you know,you talk to the lady that got us
all the history. But we kneweverything about the guy when he went to
jail. We knew every inmate hehad during the whole time he was in
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jail. That's how much information wehad. But that's what I do.
That's where the going down the rabbithole comes from. I've been known to
be a ferocious historian historic I don'tjump into everything and all that, and
I make sure that I know everythingI need to know. It's I don't
know. The more research you have, the more information you have on something
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like that, it helps you separatethe lore from the truth. You know,
you need to separate those two.You need the actual facts exactly.
That's why a lot of historic placesthey're tough because there's a lot of lore
and then you have to really weighwhat's real what's not. And then sometimes
some of these historians still use thelore. You know, you have to
really do your due diligence. Sometimesyou have to take and who's given you
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the history too? Are they justtrying to promote their town or are they
actually giving you the exact stuff thatyou need, because that could happen.
You really have to know who you'retalking to and how they're delivering it.
Are they giving me the real informationor are they just trying to promote the
area or that certain facility. Yeah, it's interesting because you know, when
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I was in Connecticut on Sunday,I went through without any equipment. I
mean, I didn't have anything withme, and it was what I was
able to pick up psychically, andit was interesting what the owner of the
house was able to corroborate, youknow, and let me know that.
Yeah, that makes sense. Andyou know, what you're feeling is what
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we've felt, and what you're hearingis you know, telling us is what
we know or what we feel.But it'll be really interesting to go back
with the equipment to back that upand see if any of that comes through.
The interesting thing and I will saythis about the house, you know,
I feel like there was these storiesof there was a demon there,
now, you know, I mean, look I've had people call. You
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know, everybody's got a demon,everybody's got a portal, you know what
I mean, in their house.But I will say this about the Demon
house, is that I was theonly one that detected this, probably because
it was psychically, but in acertain part of the house, I detected
rotting flesh, that sick smell.I've never gotten that on an investigation before.
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I had no equipment, there wasno reason for it. There was
nothing, you know, in thatIt was like they had food hanging around.
There's nobody that even lives in thatpart of the house. There was
nothing. I don't know what itwas, but that was the first thing
I thought, is that there's somethingfestering there. That's just I don't know,
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just just there, aren't they What'sthat I'm saying in the house?
Well, it's a duplex, sothey live on one side and then the
other side. They couldn't keep tenantsand they kept leaving because they were having
so many issues. Now, theytold me that, you know, when
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they first had this problem, whenthey first moved in seventeen years earlier,
sixteen years before, it was reallybad. I mean they were getting shadow
animals and crawlers and just and andit's not like that now they thought it
was gone. I'm not sure itis. I'm really not sure it is.
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It feels to me like it's justdormant. And I don't know why
I would get that smell, youknow, it's letting. You know,
from what I've heard, I thinkthe person that finally kind of cleared the
(38:07):
house up a little bit, therewas almost like a spiritual deal made or
something. From the best way todescribe it. A lot of times things
are still there. It's just whatI talked about the murder house. You
know, we clear that the peopleare able to sleep, but then when
they decide to move, something becomesundormant and starts speaking. You know,
(38:30):
I think it's the energy and allthat could change. It's just with anything
us as human beings, you know, you love each other and all that,
but all of a sudden, somebodygets into a fight and there's bad
energy and all that. It's almostlike the spirit's there, it's waiting to,
you know, have somebody go againsttheir word. So when I think,
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as far as I know, theperson that helped clear this house out
has kept their word, and Ithink whatever else was there, kept their
word, and it's almost like Ithink the way it's going to be in
me have crossed. I think theymay be dead. I think they passed
away. If I'm not mistaken,I might be wrong on that, but
I feel like the person passed away. Well. I think one part of
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the deal was that they would stepaway and not do this kind of work
anymore exactly. That's that's the whatI what I heard and all that,
and you know, but like I'vetold you, you know a lot of
that. You have to have faithin who you are, you know,
higher being and all that when youdeal with those types of things. You
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know, when I go into ahome, I know it's not me helping.
You know, it's a higher powerthat backs you up. Hence you
know I don't use that archangel theparanormal lightly. I'm not going to get
all you know, religious, it'sspiritual with me. I know, I
know I'm protected, and I havethe confidence that my higher power is protecting
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me, and then I go into try and protect others. And that's
why I do what I do.You know, whether it be the living
that needs to be protected or thedead that needs to be protected, or
anything like that. You know,these things that we don't understand. You
know, we never will, butenough understanding, like I said, use
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my knowledge of what I know andwhat I perceive and hopefully I have enough
knowledge to quell those things or anythinglike that, or work as a team.
I don't work with a lot ofpeople. It's about yet that you
work with. I don't work witha lot of people. I've worked with
people in the past, and it'salmost like I feel with a lot of
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the work I do, I don'twant to put people in danger. I'd
rather check out a place first andthen determine, you know, who I
might be able to bring in tomaybe help out, because it's almost like
certain people have certain abilities that mighthelp out. You know, it's like,
hey, if I had a plumbingissue, I'm going to get a
plumber. So this type of paranormalthat I know somebody's good at, I
(41:05):
might call them in or all that. So, you know, there's a
lot of people that you get agood rollodex over the years of people that
you could call. But I tendto work by myself on cases and all
that. I know. A lotof people say you shouldn't, but after
all this time, I think it'sdifferent. I'm not new, so I
think I know the risk and allthat. But I do have people on
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call if I go somewhere, youknow, people know where I am or
anything like that. If anything tohappen, someone that always exactly, So
you have to have that. Younever know. But you know, I'm
pretty well protected. You know,I got the good background, so it
was good. The eyes behind myhead. You know, you never know,
because sometimes the the living could bemore dangerous than the dead, So
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that's you gotta be careful. Yeah, some of these cases, you know,
they seem to check out all right, but then all of a sudden,
just the Doctor Jekyll and mister highKick and but you know, it's
hard to deal with home cases.They could be very dangerous and you have
to know what you're doing. Youcan't. I think you got to have
some years under your belt before youreally do them. And you have to
(42:15):
study. You got to read alot, You got to work with other
people experience. Yeah, work withexperienced investigators exactly. You know, I
like I told you, you know, I started out for a couple of
years. I learned some of thein ands and outs early on in life
with you know, back in themid eighties, I got my start with
(42:36):
Edel Lorrain Warren, but you know, they're very religious to the point where
how they do things and all that. And then after you know, I
went off to college, I kindof became dormant for a little while.
And then after my mom passed awaytwenty twelve, you know, I was
always doing stuff, but I thinkI really dove in after that and made
more of a commitment to help peoplebecause you know, hey, I was
(42:59):
more learning for my mom's loss andalmost to the point where I want people
to have to go through that.Sometimes you console people that have past loved
ones. It's understanding the possibility ofwhat might happen to us after we leave
our shell and join the spirit worldand whatever that means. So yeah,
I agree. Interesting, I don'tknow, I think that I think being
(43:27):
able to navigate through the sea ofinformation that you get is really a gift
in and of itself, because Imean, I know you have a background
that you know, I don't havethe background and the things that you have,
but it's hard to weave through.You know, once you've gotten past
the fact that they're not crazy,then you get you know, well,
(43:49):
what is this and who do Ineed to help me? Do I need
someone to help me? I thinknavigating that is. See. I tend
to be somewhat skeptical. And Idon't mean skeptical. I mean I am
skeptical, but I'm skeptical of people, and I don't know that I I
don't think I have the ability toget through the first part of it,
(44:13):
like are you crazy? Because that'sjust where my mind goes, Like I
feel like you're guilty until prove itinnocent. I feel, you know,
if you're telling me that it juststarted happening, I get skeptical. You
know, you've lived in the housefor ten years, but it just started
happening. Or that you're seeing faceson your dinner napkins, you know,
stuff like that makes me go,I don't know, I'm not so sure
(44:37):
about this. But if you justmoved into the house and there's something,
I'm still not saying it's paranormal,but I feel a little better about it.
But I feel like some of thesethings it's just too you know,
you've been around long enough to knowit just doesn't really manifest that way.
You know, it's not going toshow up on your dinnernet. But you're
you're right, you're right. Butyou can never disregard anything. I've learned
(45:02):
a long time ago that yes,just because we think it can't happen,
doesn't mean it can't happen. Right, Those are the things that you have
to discern. I know a lotof people they make fun of, Oh,
that's just dust, that's a dustorb, or that's a bug or
anything like that. What we reallyneed to look at is, you know,
(45:22):
with this, if you look atsomething like that, like a dust
kickup, who's to say that aspirit didn't create that dust kickup to get
your attention and that's why that appearedthat way. We don't know everybody's like,
yeah, it's just dust, oryou don't want to just pooh pooh
anybody, or anything like that.You really have to take everything in.
(45:43):
You really have to read people theireye movement, their body language. Are
they telling me the truth? What'sreally going on here? What is making
them talk this way? You know, sometimes it's saying spirit attachment changes people's
demeanor or anything like that. Sometimesyou could tell when somebody has an attachment
just by how they're acting, orif you talk to their family and they
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say, well, yeah, wella few months ago, all of a
sudden this started happening. What's thetrauma that's going on? Is it something
psychological or is a spirit like doingsomething? And it just gets to the
point it gets so crazy and ityou you have to have critical thinking,
you have to think outside the box. It's not easy, you know.
(46:24):
I know a lot of people dothis, and I've talked about it like
before. There's so much different typesof paranormal. You know, people are
good at certain things and all that. And I always claim, you know,
I always say that it's like music. So you know music, you
know, some people like countries,some people like rock, whatever. It's
(46:45):
just like paranormal. Some people areinto the demonology, some people are in
the spiritual side, some people readterrort cards. But it's still all paranormal,
you know, just like country androck. Yeah. So, but
I'm never going to tell you can'tdo it that way. Nobody knows the
right way, you know. Itall comes down to you. And I
talk about this in my talks allthe time. When I start a conversation,
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when I talk to you know,whoever, we're at a para con
or anything like that. You don'thave to believe anything I say. You
know, these are my experiences.This is what happened to me. You
know, I could talk about mymy murder house. Some people that are
listening tonight says, yeah, he'sprobably full of it, but no,
that's what I experienced. That's whathappened to me there. Whether you're gonna
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believe it or not, it doesn'tmatter to me because that was my experience,
in my experience. If that helpsyou understand the paranormal a little better
or it helps heal you, thenI did my job. But I don't
expect you to believe everything I say, because you never know. But that
was my experience. That's what Igot from it. And over all these
years, these are experiences that I'vehad. But not everybody's gonna have the
(47:53):
same experience. Everybody has a differentfingerprint, you know, so everybody experiences
things very much differently. But youknow, after a while, I could
give information and if that helps youmove on or you know, you're gonna
get a lot of people in thisindustry to say, ah, you're full
of it all this other stuff,that's fine too. I don't mind because
no matter what you say, youcan't change the experience I had. It's
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true, you know, you saidyou can tell sometimes when someone has an
attachment by how they mean. Whatis that look? It's it's almost the
eye movement, you know. It'sjust it's sometimes it's unnatural, and it
is the old saying that your eyesare the the picture to your soul.
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It's almost like you could tell bylooking somebody in the eyes when something isn't
right, something is off. Isn'ta psychological thing, this is something that
they're not acting normal. It's adiscernment. Am I really good at it?
No? I think there's people thatare better at it. But I
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think it comes down to, youknow, reading them like that. Just
from my law enforcement background and dealingwith people that have twenty four to seven
to try and get one over onyou. They're always trying to manipulate you.
And you're in that psychologically day inand day out for the years that
I did it. You know,you don't know, so you never know.
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Tom. There's a question here.Mary Alice says, when someone has
an attachment, do you mean anevil attachment? Can there be an attachment
that's not evil? Well, yeah, there's tons of things that you know.
Sometimes people don't know their psychic andsomething could channel through you just trying
to get their story out. Itdoesn't have to necessarily be evil. There
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is the possibility. But again wetalk about demons tonight, we talk about
evil. There are people that whenthey die, you know, there are
jerks in life. They're still goingto be jerks. But the possibility of
a demon is like point zero zerozero one. You know your lottery ticket.
That's why they make movies about it. But you still have to be
prepared for it. You know thatthat point zero's and urals are a one.
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You never know what it's going tohappen, and you have to be
ready for it. You have todo your best and know that you have
faith and that you know higher poweris working through you to help whoever is
going through that situation. I justwant to say something on that too.
We only have a couple of minutesleft, so I just I'll make it
quick. But and it's not anattachment. So I want to preface this
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by saying it's not an attachment.But I know when I read sometimes people
will say to me, why,why why were you doing this? Like
I'm rubbing my Yeah, you're channelingme be a facial expression. It could
be mannerism. It could be somethingI said, or you know, you
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say it a certain way, andI feel like that's a that's some it's
not that they're it's not like I'min trance, but there's something that spirit
can affect you to act and dothings in certain ways. They're not evil.
You know, it's somebody's grandma.Oh, they're they're giving you a
thought. The spirit guide's given youa thought that, hey, rub your
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chin that way. That's how thatperson's father used to do it, right,
and you don't need to. Yeah, sometimes you're getting messages. I
guess if you see a like arose and oh it was my aunt Rose
or whatever, that's shown you howto pervade that message. And sometimes they
give you that mannerism. Sometimes youdon't even know why you're doing it,
like you know, pick us uponit. I'm gonna have like a minute
(51:36):
and a half. Can you answerthis real quick? Mary asked, have
you ever met someone that knew thatis it? I don't know if it's
new that they had an attachment oryou knew that they had an attachment I'm
not sure what I It's funny.I was at the Connecticut Para con a
couple of years ago and this gentlemancame up to me. He says,
nobody will help me. I've hadthis attachment for years and all this other
stuff. And he was pretty wildabout it. I think, to the
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point where things have been bothering himfor so long that it changed his psychological
demeanor. So it was hard todiscern. But I could feel that things
were affecting him, but at thatmoment that he was out of the house,
it wasn't really affecting him at thetime. And that's what I was
telling him. I says, really, it's not affect He says, yeah,
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they're not with me now, andI said, well, that's what
I see. But I could seethat psychologically it's changed him to the point
where I think somebody that isn't aswell versed is not going to be able
to decipher that. They're just goingto say the guy's a wacko. You
know. I told him it's moreof I'd want to see him in his
home and how things changed for himafter I met him. But he,
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you know, he was like veryerratic and never gave me his number and
how to reach out to him andall that, but hopefully, you know,
maybe I'll see him again or something. But so, Tom, I
want to thank you for being here, only about a minute left. I
want to thank you for being hereand coming on the show tonight because I
think this is fascinating. I alsowant to just remind everyone please if you
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want tickets to either of these events, you can go on Facebook, Dark
Echos Paranormal, get the link there. Go on my Facebook pages a link
to the events there as well,and you can you can get the link
and get tickets. I think there'sone left in the Demon House, and
there's a few left for the CliftonFive at Huntington, Pennsylvania. So thank
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you for being here. Definitely haveto have you back. What are you
going to say? Yeah, Well, I just want to let everybody know
if they want to go on theHaunted Trolley ride with us in April Connecticut,
Para CON's coming up sale in ParaCon, any of the psychic faars
that we're doing. It's all onmy website and I'm always posting that.
Thomas Patrick Cormley Facebook Archangel the ParanormalTikTok and Instagram. All right, thank
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you Tom, Thanks everybody for joiningus. We'll see you next week right
here on the Paranormal Project. Havea good night everyone. Thank you.
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