March 29, 2025 • 44 mins
Today Christine, Hannah, and Kona discuss all things sprinkle valley, especially the infamous hole 18! Will we ever get the image of Kristin Lätt crying out of our heads? Probably not! Join us for a breakdown of the event and follow the show on instagram to start submitting fan questions!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to The Party Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
A celebration of professional women's disc golf.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
With plenty of hot takes, fun stories, and fan questions.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I'm Hannah macbeth, I'm Christine Jennings, I'm ConA Montgomery, and
we are The Party Podcast. Hi guys, So sorry, So
we're doing this episode a little bit late. This is untraditional,
but a little bit that's I guess traditional for us
because I just think it's funny. How in the first
episode back, we kind of talked about how our format
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is going to be, and we each were like, oh,
it'll be so great because if we have to skip
a week, there's two of us, like, there's two others
of us, and then two of us got sick. Kna
was out here with her strong immune system. Christine we're down,
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not anymore. But anyways, I got sick, Christine was sick.
And then you slept for such a long time. What
ended up being wrong with you? Were you just like
needing rest or.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
What I'm still sleeping for ten hours a day right now?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So basically I started taking my gut hormone pre probiotic
stuff a week from like literally seven days ago, and
I think, what's happening from what my dietitian is telling me,
is my body's purging all the toxins and it's like
kicking it out of my body, which is great, but
it's not making me feel great because it's just like
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my uh not my intestines, my gut is inflamed.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I'm like getting pimples all over the place. It's like
I'm going through it.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And so she's like, your body is just like anxious, stressed,
basically ill and just trying to like recover from that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
So yeah, for sure, it's been a fun week. Yeah,
and Kona, you are back in California.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, I'm back in California being super overstimulated by all
of the California people, like disc reviews. The park was
full of a million people. There were cars zooming buys,
there were crows screaming, and then we went to lunch
and I'm like, oh, finally we can like relax and
have lunch. And then million people at lunch there was
music everywhere. So I was like so happy to get
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home and just like be in a quiet room by
myself and chill out.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Have you ever eaten at a place with live music?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah? I can't do those I could just do it.
I can't think. I get stressed. I feel like I
can't eat. I just my eye.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I love live music. I love it, but it has
to be its own thing because there's nothing. I want
a clip of a montage of me being like, there's
nothing worse, because I feel like I say every episode
of US, but there's genuinely I get so overstimulated and
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I get so annoyed every year when we go to oh,
what is it called Green Mountain Championships in Vermont and
it's fall Fest, and then music is so good, but
then we're like vending and discraft. People are there that
I don't see all the time, and we're trying to
have these conversations and the tour is ending, so there's
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lots of stuff to talk about. And then sometimes you
meet fans and they're like, it's like being at the
club and they're like, Hey, I'm Sean, can you hear me.
I'm from Rhode Island and I'm here with my wife
and this is our kid. It's nice to meet you.
And I'm like, what, it's so loud. It's so loud.
It's same. My family just busted into my podcast episode
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excuse me, sorry, got a dog in the podcast. Okay, Well,
I love live music and I love all of you.
So someday we should go to a restaurant together and
just not talk at all and just enjoy the music
and we should just face our fears and we're in it.
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We're all looking at each other like, I wonder how
Cone is enjoying her fries. I guess later in the car.
All right, well, uh, Sprinkle Valley more like Scramble Valley,
am I right, Yes, was one of the venues for
this week, so we should get into it because we
have to break down the open at Austin. It was
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like the MVP Open at Austin, which is yes, so confusing,
Like we went from the Beast last week and everyone's like,
oh the Beast and I'm like, well, not that one.
And now it's like, oh, the MVP Open and I'm like,
well not that one. Can we just do your own thing, Texas, go.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
The MVP.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Oh it's the MVP Open at Music City.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
MVP Music City Open presented by Another Round. I mean
we're talking about art MVP Open in Austin presented by
Flight Factory.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
There's like a sticky note at MVP's offices and it's
just like take over every tournament and.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
My gosh, but.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
This past weekend it was.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Elite Series Plus event.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Okay, that sounds better than what I'm saying or trying
to say. Anyways, Rounds one and two were at Sprinkle
Valley and it was chaos. There was six card backups.
There was so many people just getting obliterated by this course.
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I watched a little bit of it from the practice
round because everyone posted a practice round this week and
everyone had the same thumbnail of like them posing with
the antlers, which is like a whole thing. I don't
like them.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I literally texted Hannah.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
The picture of us screenshot when somebody was putting through
it for the drop zone, and I was like, Hannah,
what do you think of this?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
And we were like, no, ma'am, it's sillly when it
comes from like a player standpoint. But I was. I
was one of the people who posted a photo of thes.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
How could you not?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
It was so like it was aesthetically pleasing, but like,
I'm so thankful I made the island both rounds because
I would have hated trying to butt through those or
around those.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, most people like going over and around like a heiser.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, it was. It was pretty crazy. I think just
watching the golf in and of itself, it didn't feel
like the course was very It didn't feel like the
course was cleaned up enough, but it felt at the
same time like it was. So it was kind of
difficult because you're watching from home. We are, so that's
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why it's nice to have you here Kona, because you
actually competed on the track, but from home, it's just
kind of like you're scrambling off the tea and then
you get to the fairway and now you're making a decision,
and then you're making a decision again, and it's kind
of The landing zones were interesting. So I guess I
want to open it to you if you can give
your feedback on the course and just your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I think you said it perfectly. This course is only
two years old. Last year was the first year it
had ever been used for US Women's and then this
was the second year. And I was a little disappointed
that they didn't clean up the rough more because there
was like so many like vines, and I don't know
if they just didn't think that the players were maybe
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going to go in these areas, like some of them
were pretty close off the tee, but it's like some
of these gaps are kind of hard to hit or
like you know, people yank shots and I feel like
like there were a few times me personally, I was
in a spot and I'm like, I would have a
shot here, but there is so much loose branches vines
that I feel like s have been cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
No, I shouldn't have been there.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I should be in the fairway, but it's like you
should at least give us an opportunity to scramble out
of it. But even if, like you know, some of
off the fairway, you have weight. We called them hannahs
Ifonovitch and I called them French fry trees. So yeah,
tiny trees. And it's like a tree like okay, like
I'm throwing a roller and hopefully like I'm getting out
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to like a spot where I can hopefully approach, but
then in that I'm definitely getting a bogie. Like that
was probably the hardest part, is this if you're not
getting off the tea, like you can't even scramble the
same par I think that was really disheartening for a
lot of players, and honestly, Discourse was one of the
few courses we play where I have seen more women
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get off of it incredibly upset and angry.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, it was heartbreaking for sure. I think we saw
Kristin Lott just crying at one point and she was
visibly shaken through on Holy eighteen. And when you read
the bio of the course on the disc Golf Pro
Tour website, it says Sprinkle Valley established in twenty twenty three,
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Like you said, very new, celebrated for its well maintained
teas and greens, innovative layout, difficulty tailored to mid and
experienced players. The highlights include the long holes with strategic
island landing zones, engineered obstacles and baskets set on elevated islands.
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And then it goes on to say after your round
you can relax and refuel at the on site Austin
Beer Works tap room with a variety of food and refreshments.
Very cool amenities. I think in theory, this idea of
a course is not new. I think of a Northwood,
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I mean, think of anywhere like this has been done before,
those long wooded like long holes with strategic Islands is
like we see that at Maple Hill too, you know.
And I love the idea of having a venue.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Sometimes I think people think that the impossible is what
like are getting very lucky is what makes a course
good without realizing that that's what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, and it's like disc golf, like they always say
it's disc golf is fifty percent skill fifty percent. Look,
you know, I always always hear that on the course, like, oh,
you're the luckiest player on tour. Like I do think
like luck comes into play, like ooh, I yank a
little bit to the right, but I hit that gap.
But it shouldn't be to a point where I'm like, ooh,
like I don't know which really gap.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I'm supposed to be going for. I hope I.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Get into a spot that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I have a question, KNA.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
You mentioned that players were coming off of Sprinkle Valley upset.
If you cut out whole eighteen, what do you think
the vibe would have been. Do you think they would
have still been equally upset or Like, obviously eighteen amplified
people's feelings, but like, if you cut that out, how
do you think people would feel about it?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I don't think they would be as upset. But it's
like I played with a few women who like on
you know some of these holes where it's like I
can't remember what hole it is, but like there was
a right gap and there was a left gap. They
were both really tight part four, and I just remember
they were so angry, like they were like went off
that hole. They were kicking the ground, or they were
like just like visibly upset. There was like a few
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holes throughout the round where just I mean me myself,
like there are a few times where I was like, dang,
like how am I going to come back from that?
Like are these French fries in my way? With all
of these French fries, I can't even like scramble out
of these. But then I don't know, I think they'd
still be upset. I just don't think they would be
in tears probably.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, And des Redding did commentary this week. I know
we didn't cover like the commentators, but she's had something
during the final round regarding Holland's mistakes. Holland was throwing
the disc really well and executing well, but the results
weren't benefiting her score. And how many times does that
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happen to you on the course where you play the
same round twice but one of them is three under
par and the other ones five over par. And you're thinking,
I wouldn't really change anything. These four days mentally exhausting
and it's making the players think and consider a lot more.
But Holland has to and does. Was like, Holland has
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to recognize that she's throwing the disc well, but she's
not getting She has to make that connection on her
own that Okay, I'm throwing the disc well. I don't
need to change anything. I don't need to be upset
other than just being annoyed that the results aren't meeting
me where I am and which can happen in the
woods like that. But I think that, paired with constant
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decision making from the course itself, made it very very
hard this weekend and resulted in a lot of frownie faces.
I agree.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And also like when you have christ and Tatar like
one of the most consistent comeback players ever, like I'm
sorry I saw on disc all fanatic people were like,
what are the odds that she just comes back and wins?
And I'm like, she's she's seven strokes back, but it's like, yeah,
she's just so consistent, and I even I think I
texted Hannah in the group chat during that round and
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I was like, I love watching Kristen play like you
can't tell she's angry, you can't tell she's happy, Like
she is just stone cold on a mission.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Mm hmm. Yeah. So the commentators for this week were
das Writing and Ian and Durson Anderson. I don't think
I've ever had to say his last name before. Really,
it was just Ian, you know, like it's just always
like you know Ian. So anyway, anyway, I think he
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does a good job at keeping things light, and I
think sometimes he gets carried away in that. So for me,
it's way too light hearted and silly, and it doesn't
shift with the changing of the tension because it's just
always lighthearted. It's always goofy, and I think there's a
time and a place for that style, but explain why
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things happen and why things aren't happening and why breaks
are coming. So it was nice to have Dez there.
I felt like they complimented each other well and she
kind of maintained composure, but there was a lot of
moments where instead of setting her up with the question.
He would like throw it to Perkins and be like,
so Perkins, like what do you think or Perk or
like Perks, which are I also don't like? He would say,
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like what do you think of that moment? Like why
do you think she went for that decision? And it
was confusing to me. I don't know if like maybe
from the studio someone was asking him to use Perk more.
I think he does a good job of chiming in,
but it was just kind of weird to have Dez
sitting there as like a Texis, Texas native, She's been
in that moment so many times and she had so
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many good insights. So hopefully as they work together this year,
they'll kind of be able to smooth out those rough edges,
because again, this is their first time this year working together.
I'm not sure if they've worked together before. But there
was just no discussion on why decisions were made. It
was a lot of sitting back and cowering why is
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she going for this? Oh no, and a lot of
ugs and sound effects and like it's like.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
My least favorite thing in a commentator, like I don't
want to hear you saying oh oh, gosh. Like, I
think Dez did a great job of being like, hey,
like she could be going through this or like I
think like Allie's Alie Smith was like doing her her
putting or whatever, and like does is like she's doing
that because she's obviously working through something. Like I like
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how she brought us back to like, hey, like you
don't need to like act like that because she's just
going through it.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Like yeah, everyone does. Yeah, he's kind of saying what
a lot of PEO people are thinking. But like I said,
it's got to be it's got to come and go.
You can't just only do that in my opinions, and
people love it so but they were the commentary team
and color commentary was very lacking. Again for FPO, I felt,
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and I think it's just ignorance. I think people just
don't know because nobody's sitting in that booth has gone
to school for it, you know, nobody who's sitting behind
the microphone maybe besides Charlie has gone to school for it.
But yeah, no discussion on stats, not a lot of
background or previous wins or score updates unless it was
Ownskoggin's one here and she's saying contention again, and she's
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on the Future Guard. It was kind of just the
easy stuff was available.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
But I kind of agree with you that Doz did
an awesome job. I would just love for Ian to
kind of bring in some more stats. I just I'd
like to hear more about the players. I know we
know these players, but it's like, you know, bringing some
more info. Why not.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, I really like the cadence that she has.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It's like, I think maybe it balances out Ian's cadence
a little bit, like she's more She kind of reminds
me of like Juliana Korvra in the Booth too. They're
both like calm and we have really good insight when
they open their mouth.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
But I also agree it could come with more stats.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I do like hearing backstories on where people came from
or what they've been going through.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, or like Kana pointed out with that with Ali
and her putt and seeing that circulate throughout social media
and having does voice on there was really nice because
it's it's necessary. It's a moment that's very real. And
I think it was actually you Kona that posted on
Instagram not too long ago. It was a speaker like
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a motivational speaker kind of talking about the yips. It
might have been you, It might have been actually from Ali,
but I'm not sure. But anyways, they were saying all
the things that it could be, and they were essentially
letting people know that it is a little piece of
all of those things. It is sometimes fear and it's
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something you can't control, your bodies reacting involuntarily and you
have to work psychologically to reverse that. And it sometimes
it is like elapse in focus, and sometimes it is
over focused and then you're feeling everything when normally you
wouldn't feel anything, and now you're like, oh my disc
am I holding it too hard? Am I holding it
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too soft?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Oh? Wait?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Or whatever sport you're playing. And I just really liked that.
That was cool.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I do post motivational stuff, so it's probably me.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I just liked how it was so helpful for that
whole mindset, because discolf is such a mental task. Every
single weekend. We started off the whole shebang with own
Cat Holland and Silva Katrina Allen. She played well in Waco.
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I think she had some moments, and then she played
well here. It was nice to see her on camera
because last year she had a baby and she's kind
of learning how to get her tour legs under her
full time, whereas someone like Macy Velladiaz, who also had
a baby, who's been competing well, isn't on tour full time.
So there's that ability to kind of go home and
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be like, Okay, what worked, what do we need, what
don't we need, and sort of try it again. Kat
and Austin are just fully sent onto the tour. So
I give her credit because that is not easy to do.
I would know a Katrina obviously such a good woods game.
I always want to say woodsman, but I guess we
shouldn't say that, because that's an actual choice goddess. Remember, yes, Oh,
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how could I forget? It was good to see her
out there own, of course, carving it up, coming out
on top after the first round with the hot score.
Houland just kind of stayed in there the whole time,
and Silva just couldn't hang. I thought she played really well.
I think it was that third round at her Panic
that she shot like a nine forty five rated round
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when she had been averaging like nine to ninety rated golf.
And fifth we have Deane Carrey in six hand of
Blombers seven Shelley May Kat Kat Ella Like, it's just like,
because of the way that this course was, like this
tournament was set up, there was so much that could
go wrong that did, and it was really just like
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who survived. I guess what I'm trying to try to
think of like a good way to say that. I
was super in placed.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
With own because she had an interview yes day before
and She's like, I'm not throwing four hands. I'm not
throwing four hands, and I immediately just kind of like
wrote her off. I was like, well, if she's not
able to throw four hands out here, her scramble game
is going to be rough. But then all of a sudden,
I see her on like you know, Chase Card Final Day,
banging putts and doing all this, and I'm just like,
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you know, what, what is it like under oh under, underpromise,
over deliver, Yeah boom, they said the great commentary, Yes,
thank you, thank you. Think but I was just like
so impressed. I'm like, you know, I think if you
can put and you can throw just like some decent
backhands and like hit the fairways, you're just killing it.
Inn FPO right now.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Before we escape the talk about Sprinkle Valley and we
move on to Harvey Pennock, which was the other course
that people played. It felt like two tournaments, honestly, so
Holy Tina Harvey, no frick me, Holy teen at Sprinkle
Valley came in super hard. I mean the scores that
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were being taken on this whole were insane. At US
Women's they had changed the whole a little bit.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, there was just ob left and right.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I don't I see. It was an island, and I
believe that they had changed it to an island mostly
for weather, because the area where the stairs takes you
from the Fairway to the island tends to flood, so
having people avoid that area is the best. And that island,
I mean, averaged horrible scores and created huge backups for
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the course. Now here's the issue, and you know me
on this podcast is we don't freak out on this podcast.
That's the one thing that we don't do. And when
everyone else is losing their minds and running around setting
fire on things and then going what are we mad about?
I don't know. I just came here to set things
on fire. Awesome. Same, we don't do that in this community.
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The thing is that approach, guys is blind, so I
don't understand why everyone is up in arms about. Oh
if I was Christin Lott, i would simply throw the
disc better. And it's like, well you can't freaking see it.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, but like, not only can you not see it,
it was super windy towards the end. Like in the
start of the day, maybe there wasn't a ton of win,
but towards the end of the round it was windy,
So that comes into play. But what people don't realize is, yes,
you have to throw over the stairs, but because you
have to throw over the stairs, you tend to have
your disc more nose up, and that tends to make
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your disc do different things than it is opposed to.
If I'm throwing my disc nose down flat, okay, yeah,
I'm getting the flight I want. But then all of
a sudden, you make me throw either over this staircase
or I'm up against the staircase. If some women didn't
throw a good approach or didn't remember that they could
take their ob stroke, you know back, some people just
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like played right up against the like the staircase, like
you're you're messing with your nose angle and you're not
getting the flight you want out of your disc? And
I'm sorry, Am I the only one who thinks it's
kind of silly to be like, oh, you know, if
I just throw it way past the basket into the crowd,
o people, that's how I should be playing the hole
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like it.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
May be so mad that some people's takes were well,
throw it on into the crowd, because that's how you
play it. You gotta play the game. Who cares you
didn't design it? And I'm like, I'm sorry. Is the
PGA their whole thing is like you have like be
of good character while you're playing the game, like but
also literally so horrible to be like, oh, look there's
my fans. Let me throw my high speed driver on
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into them. Hopefully they move out of the way, Like
what a horrible design.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I feel like there's another perspective of I think, like
the iconic moment of Kristen falling apart on that whole.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Like Ondijian that weekend.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
So you're throwing multiple discs she threw I'm pretty sure three,
the third one stuck in bounce. When you're throwing multiple
discs like that, obviously her first disc was her first choice,
and you're like most confident in such a good decision.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
So then as you are starting like emptying out your bag,
throwing your approach into this green that you're already scared
of because of the reasons that ConA had mentioned, now
you're like becoming less and less confident because each disc
that you're throwing next is like your next confident disc.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah. I agree one hundred percent. And people don't take
that into consideration, which is why it's good to have
a commentary team that is like, Okay, this is what's happening.
And that's why we always are so hard on people,
because otherwise it all falls on the player and people
just assume, oh, the player just needs to get over themselves.
I don't hate Hole eighteen because it's hard and people
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took high numbers on it, and because it made Kristin
Lot cry. Oh wait, I just checked my notes. That
is exactly why I hate Holy eighteen. No, I'm just kidding.
I think the idea around the hole is good. It's
not new. We have whole seventeen at Milo, we have
whole sixteen at the Beast, there's whole thirteen at Winthrop.
Hole eighteen at Maple Hill. The list goes on and on.
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You're playing the fairway strategically, so you can be in
an optimal position to go for some kind of an island,
but you get to see the flight of the disc
like the island in this case is blind. And my
issue with that is that, yes, there is a risk
reward aspect because the carry is long and it's uphill.
You can do it like it is. You're capable of
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doing it, but it's blind, so you can't. You don't
know fully how to adjust, and it cuts off what
players can do, like ConA said, and it just increases
the margin of error way too much to be a
good hole. It's not a set tee every time where
you could practice it and kind of dial it in.
Because I heard that too. I heard a lot of
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takes of you need to hit your landing zone and
then from there, and they would give the example of like, oh,
Kristen was playing the hole horribly, which is accurate, but
she had already played seventeen holes of madness and was
burnt out, respectfully, she needs to be able to handle
that and she knows that. Or they would use Holland
as an example and say, oh, Holland, and she was
in the perfect position, and then she played like she
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had a bad shot, and then she just finally just
booked it up there and played from the back of
the island. And I don't love that because it's cherry
picking stats to make your point. The matter still exists
that the margin of error is two big for FPO. So,
like I said, it's not a fair. It's not a
teapad where the shot is like a blind carry to
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an island where you could dial that in and then
we could instead of being ooh in awe over oh
I hope it sticks or I hope they make it,
it's like, wow, look how skilled they are, which is
what we want. It's hard to dial in your shot too,
because wood chips wind. Like you said, it's a par five.
But the other dish issue that Coda kind of pointed out,
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you're seeing higher speed drivers which aren't gonna connect with
the green anyways, because you're seeing them because they have
to freaking scramble and you have to hit the line,
so you're not able to focus solely on coming to
rest and what your disc does once you hit. You can't.
That's like rule number one when you're going from amateur
to pro is stop trying to control your disk the
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entire way. You have to put it on the angle
and hit the line, and then whatever else happens is
out of your hands. For the most part, especially in
the woods. We've had island before. It's not new. I
don't care that it's a long par five. I don't
care that it's a long carry. My issue as I'm
watching players approach the screen, and we watched a lot
of them because there was a lot of card back comes.
(28:12):
Why was I watching them thinking, Oh my gosh, I
hope they hit it. I hope it sticks, I hope
it gets lucky. That's bad golf. So that's my feelings
on eighteen. I don't hate the hole. I think they
just need to adjust.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
It before we move on.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
They made a rule on from them, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
They made a rule that if you do not uh,
if you throw four shots to get on the island,
you know, then you proceed to the second drop zone.
Do you think that this hole would be better and
less crazy if they were to say if you miss
the island on the first or second shot, you know,
because I think some ladies you know, there were some
people took thirteen's you like, what if you miss the
(28:54):
initial island? Okay, you and you go to that drop zone,
and that's just called.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
That a day. When you're reworking the hole, you have
to think about those margins of error that a player
is going to face, and you have to take into
consideration how to make it smaller. And for some trecks
it's getting rid of trees. For other trecks it's shortening
it and giving it a different pin position. For this one,
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I think if you shortened that island carry, then the
women who can throw further with slower speed discs have
an advantage and you don't always have to disc up
super high in order to hit it. You're not able
to scramble like scramble what like, you're just guessing. You
go peak, you take a peek, you go look, and
you're like, Okay, I think I need to hit this
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angle from a good shot, and that shouldn't be happening.
In my opinion with disc golf at this level, I
think that's a very good way to ruin a hole.
In the spirit of this conversation and just what we've
seen online and how we've seen it mocked and how
we've seen this idea of like, oh, you guys just
(30:03):
need to get better, Like it's if I was you,
I would simply just throw it on the green, like
I don't know what your problem is. Love that in
the spirit of that, Do you guys think that if
whole seven at USDGC the bamboo hole was introduced now
that people would hate it? Okay, so we have this field,
We're gonna stick this triple Mando out like three twenty
(30:27):
five out ahead of the tea, and then we're just
gonna come with the basket there and that's gonna be
our hole. Like don't you think that hole would just
get I feel like it would have mixed reviews. Just
makes me laugh thinking about like the Reddit threads of
like this is what is worst part of our sport,
but because it's so historical, people are like this is
the best, so iconic, so iconic. It just made me laugh. Kona,
(30:56):
what was what's your take on that elevated of Holy
eighteen at Olympus, Because that's an elevator that's super elevated.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Think for a percentage of the division. Obviously I can't
look because I don't have stats. Right now. But I
think for like some women, it was really hard because
you have to throw it so nose up. For me,
it was a more controllable MAKEO three shot because I
can throw a hard mid range it can just glide
and go straight. But it's like, I'm thinking of some
women who can't really throw that kind of shot, and
(31:26):
I think it's pretty tough, especially because it's so o
B up there too, like there's so much O B
I saw some but also short.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You get to choose your landing zone, like you get
to choose, not your landing zone. That was dumb. It's
an island. You get to choose your line, so you
can choose based on your comfortability and your form. There's
nothing in front of you, whereas this hole eighteen at
Sprinkle Valley there's something right there, so you can't. It's
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kind of set for you and you have to meet
the challenge. I don't hate that. I hate that. Let's
say it doesn't work out and now you have to
go back to your back and you're like, well, I
don't really know where it went wrong.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I think that everyone has expressed the obvious reasons of
why there's issues with it.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
It's going to be worked on, Like the pro tour
is not just gonna let it be like this horrible
hole in the future and then we're just gonna like
go back next year and it's gonna be the same, right,
Like obviously they take feedback.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Sometimes they do that, though to be fair, some not
you guys, Sometimes like Steve Dodge has done that before
where it's like or Nate Heinold's done that before where
it's like a super hard hole. People take high numbers
on it and they are just they just believe in
the hole and they're like, sucks to you get better,
and then people do. So sometimes it does work out
that way.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Okay, I don't think this is that case, But either way,
I think that the Island is difficult and it's hard
to like justify it one way or the other because
like the it was a teeny or whoever it was
that posted on Reddit of the explanation which Panah you
touched on of like why they made it the island
versus like the strip that kinda said it was last
year or at US Women's Uh. It makes sense from
(33:07):
like a tad perspective when you're planning for it, it
like looks good on paper, but then when it happens,
obviously it doesn't look good on paper. So I understand
the planning aspect of it and why you know that
decision was made, But yes, I just don't agree that
it was a good hole.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Well, the other course that we played at was Harvey Pennick,
and I will read the bio because Harvey Pennick was
just the medicine to some of these poor disc golf hearts.
After two rounds of Sprinkle Valley, which honestly it's called
Sprinkle Valley, it should have been a nice, cute, comfy ride,
but it wasn't. It wasn't. It just wasn't. Harvey Pennick
(33:49):
Disc Golf Course in Austin, Texas is a well known
eighteen hole golf course set on a former ball golf property.
It features long, open fairways with minimal tree coverage, offering
opportunities for big drives and distance throws. The course is
well maintained with smooth, grassy fairways and a few strategically
placed obstacles to challenge players accuracy. Known for its scenic
(34:11):
views and spacious layout, Harvey Pennock is a favorite among
local disc golfers and provides a fun, relaxed rounds round
for players of all skill levels. Yeah, so Harvey Pennick
was like a new tournament.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yeah, it was a new feel. I mean it was
more wide open. I feel like ob came in to
play a lot more the wind came in to play
a lot more tons of elevation changes, lots more birdie opportunities.
I think for the women as well. I mean we
saw Own just like popping off and like the first
front nine and ended up like taking what third place?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Did she take third?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Am I right?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
And saying hm hmm.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah, So it's like yeah, and she at the beginning
she was getting interviewed by Nate and.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
She's like, yeah, I'd be happy with like a top five.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
And then she just went on fire and it was like.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I mean, Holland Hanley who won the tournament shooting a
one under part overall after four days of golf, which
is crazy because she's the only one to finish under par.
Kristin Lott was close. She took second and like just
ended at even. So I think that's pretty crazy considering
at one point she was carting a plus eleven on
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one single hole to end up at even is nasty work.
I mean, then the way it started, pack it in, pack.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
It up, didn't pack it out.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
She sure did, she did. And then Owenskoggin's two over
par uh. Holland Hanley came out in round three. She
survived at Sprinkle Valley. She went ninety six, nine ninety seven,
and then round three they opened the gates and she
shot at ten twenty nine nine down on the back nine.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, she was like, see you later, guys, it's been
real sorry.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Can we just like take a moment for f PO
disc golf right now, Like when I find just got
into the sport nine to thirty was awesome. Yeah, like
you said earlier, you're like, oh, Silva, she was like
nine ninety and nine ninety and then she took like
a nine to forty, like you made that sound and
I was like, oh my gosh, like that nine forty
(36:18):
back then was like fire. And like five years later
and it's like you have to be shooting nine ninety
to be frigging winning these things? What are we n PO?
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Facts? And also Holland took home a check for seven thousand,
six hundred and fifty dollars, so ye, you're not playing
for a lunch anymore, that's for sure. You're playing for
like the whole year's lunch. I need to like sit
(36:51):
with this tournament for a little bit longer and just
kind of keep it in the back of my head
because we just came off of Waco where I said
that Kristen is hard to beat unless she gets in
her own way, and then I felt like watching her
play Sprinkle Valley Holy eighteen is such a good example
of her getting in her own way, and I'm like,
(37:11):
sometimes it makes me emotional to think about it because
for us, we see this player and we see what
she's capable of, and you watch any sport and you're like, wow,
why didn't Tom Brady in that you know, receiver make
that connection they always do, or like, oh why did
they say it was so are like, oh, they're talking
about their career and they're like, man, I was so
nervous and it was so hard, and you're just like, oh,
(37:33):
but when I think about watching her walk up Holy eighteen,
she had failed so many times in front of so
many people, and it's that quote that's like the higher
you are, the harder you fall, and everyone just builds
her up, builds her up, builds her up, and then
we see a moment of her humanness and it's like shocking.
(37:53):
But Silver had to as her caddie sid like hold
her and like say words of affirmation like you can,
you know, do this, and coach her before she threw
because she was so visibly shaken over that approach shot.
And think of how good a golfer she is, so
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for her to make that comeback, it's so huge for
Halland to hold on and to be able to overcome
her own stuff, which is always a bridesmaid, never a
bribe this year because she's taken second twice already. For
her to be able to pull it off, it was
such a cool battle, but it was really irritating actually,
(38:40):
and I texted the cent Our group chat. Holland was
irritating me. I said, Hallan is irritating me because she
keeps making stupid decisions and I'm starting to take it personally.
It's like a yeah, I'm like, Holland, don't run that
putt so down hill. Then she runs and I'm like yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I'm sure everyone felt the fatigue of like just thinking
about the schedule, of like, oh you said, Waco. Now
you're going to turn right around and go play this
four day event. Luckily they're right next to each other,
Like it's what a couple hour drive, But aside from that,
you don't have time to recover. Well you could, but
then you're not gonna have enough time to practice both.
There's two courses, and so I feel like it was
(39:21):
just a lot. It was just a lot in the
last two weeks. And I'm sure that people are glad
to just chill for a minute before we going to Nashville.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
That's such a good point because like can they just
flip like wait, I feel like we're all next year. Cool.
I didn't even consider that. Wait, ye what the hecks? Yeah,
it was too much. That's so simple. That's so annoying. Actually,
(39:50):
I haven't heard anybody talk about that this whole time.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Honestly, congrats to Holland. She looked so stressed, and she
even said it during her interview at the end, like
she felt so stressed and you could visit just see
her just unraveling her stress throughout the round, like constantly
going back to Tyler getting his affirmation, and like I said,
it was really cool to see just Kristen just on
a mission, just Estonian, you know, stoic, ready to kick
(40:16):
some booty. And but I am proud of Holland for
like fighting through that stress, fighting through maybe like some confidence.
Like you said, she was throwing the right shots, maybe
not getting the outcome she wanted, but it was really
cool to see her finish with that cowboy hay mm hmmm.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
I love Kona's accents.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
It's nice to see the perseverance payoff because I think
the easiest thing to do when you're commentator on sports
is to just talk about all of the things that
went well, and this was sort of a weekend that
went fine. You know, sometimes that's all it takes, is
just not quitting and just not giving up and showing
up and keeping going. She kept saying, I guess I
(41:00):
already talked about this, but she said she she knows
that she didn't play She played well, like she did
a lot of things really well, but she knows like
she didn't play amazing all the time, and there's a
lot of stuff that she would change. But it's all
about feel. So it's easy to look back and be like, oh,
I didn't connect with the basket like I thought I
was going to, but you you're in control, and sometimes
(41:22):
that's the most important part. And I think we can
kind of forget that when we get so wrapped up
in stats, being like why did she go for that
or why is she relying so heavily on this part
or whatever, and then they come off and they're like,
my forearm feels my forehand feels great, and we're all
like it does like my circle too amazing, and we're like,
you're three out of seven like what they do, but
(41:45):
they don't know, like you don't know. The other thing
I wanted through out there is that Missy did an interview,
well she kind of did with the guys from Tour
Life is That the podcast, And so she talked a
little bit about her her experience with like Holy teen
and all that stuff, and she said, I think it's
important because like we didn't get any interviews this week,
(42:05):
so we're just kind of stealing other people. So but
she said she doesn't mind a hole that makes you think,
So she's not like, you know, gonna say anything about
the hole in that regard because there's nothing wrong with
a difficult hole or a hole that like makes you think,
and like scares you a little bit or is intimidating,
but either way, she said that the hole needs to
(42:28):
be addressed because of the backups that it caused. So
if you want to hear what she has to say,
you can go find their show. She gave like pretty
good insight and then was just kind of able to
speak from like the FBO perspective because those guys are
those guys are not us. They are they are not
the party podcast. They're opinionated and strong. But anyways, that's
(42:53):
pretty much it. So now we have an off week.
There are some eight tiers going on ConA. Are you
excited for Nashville? Do you like that tour? Like that course?
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I love You're going there? I am.
I am going there. I am going there.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
But what is this?
Speaker 3 (43:13):
It's not my favorite, but I'll be there, Okay.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I feel the times that I've been there, it's just
always wet.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Wet and long.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
One of the biggest courses play m Okay, Well that
should be good for you because you have an arm
and a half. Yeah yeah, y'all. All right, Well, thank
you guys so much for listening. We will see you
next week when we cover some of the eight tiers
and some other things that happened on the tour and
(43:43):
in our lives.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Thanks for partying with us.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
Why.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
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Welcome to The Party Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
A celebration of professional women's disc golf.
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With plenty of hot takes, fun stories, and fan questions.
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I'm Hannah macbeth, I'm Christine Jennings, I'm ConA Montgomery, and
we are The Party Podcast. Hi guys, So sorry, So
we're doing this episode a little bit late. This is untraditional,
but a little bit that's I guess traditional for us
because I just think it's funny. How in the first
episode back, we kind of talked about how our format
(00:30):
is going to be, and we each were like, oh,
it'll be so great because if we have to skip
a week, there's two of us, like, there's two others
of us, and then two of us got sick. Kna
was out here with her strong immune system. Christine we're down,
(00:51):
not anymore. But anyways, I got sick, Christine was sick.
And then you slept for such a long time. What
ended up being wrong with you? Were you just like
needing rest or.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
What I'm still sleeping for ten hours a day right now?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
So basically I started taking my gut hormone pre probiotic
stuff a week from like literally seven days ago, and
I think, what's happening from what my dietitian is telling me,
is my body's purging all the toxins and it's like
kicking it out of my body, which is great, but
it's not making me feel great because it's just like
(01:30):
my uh not my intestines, my gut is inflamed.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I'm like getting pimples all over the place. It's like
I'm going through it.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
And so she's like, your body is just like anxious, stressed,
basically ill and just trying to like recover from that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
So yeah, for sure, it's been a fun week. Yeah,
and Kona, you are back in California.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, I'm back in California being super overstimulated by all
of the California people, like disc reviews. The park was
full of a million people. There were cars zooming buys,
there were crows screaming, and then we went to lunch
and I'm like, oh, finally we can like relax and
have lunch. And then million people at lunch there was
music everywhere. So I was like so happy to get
(02:14):
home and just like be in a quiet room by
myself and chill out.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Have you ever eaten at a place with live music?
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah? I can't do those I could just do it.
I can't think. I get stressed. I feel like I
can't eat. I just my eye.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I love live music. I love it, but it has
to be its own thing because there's nothing. I want
a clip of a montage of me being like, there's
nothing worse, because I feel like I say every episode
of US, but there's genuinely I get so overstimulated and
(02:54):
I get so annoyed every year when we go to oh,
what is it called Green Mountain Championships in Vermont and
it's fall Fest, and then music is so good, but
then we're like vending and discraft. People are there that
I don't see all the time, and we're trying to
have these conversations and the tour is ending, so there's
(03:16):
lots of stuff to talk about. And then sometimes you
meet fans and they're like, it's like being at the
club and they're like, Hey, I'm Sean, can you hear me.
I'm from Rhode Island and I'm here with my wife
and this is our kid. It's nice to meet you.
And I'm like, what, it's so loud. It's so loud.
It's same. My family just busted into my podcast episode
(03:41):
excuse me, sorry, got a dog in the podcast. Okay, Well,
I love live music and I love all of you.
So someday we should go to a restaurant together and
just not talk at all and just enjoy the music
and we should just face our fears and we're in it.
(04:04):
We're all looking at each other like, I wonder how
Cone is enjoying her fries. I guess later in the car.
All right, well, uh, Sprinkle Valley more like Scramble Valley,
am I right, Yes, was one of the venues for
this week, so we should get into it because we
have to break down the open at Austin. It was
(04:28):
like the MVP Open at Austin, which is yes, so confusing,
Like we went from the Beast last week and everyone's like,
oh the Beast and I'm like, well, not that one.
And now it's like, oh, the MVP Open and I'm like,
well not that one. Can we just do your own thing, Texas, go.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
The MVP.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Oh it's the MVP Open at Music City.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
MVP Music City Open presented by Another Round. I mean
we're talking about art MVP Open in Austin presented by
Flight Factory.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
There's like a sticky note at MVP's offices and it's
just like take over every tournament and.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
My gosh, but.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
This past weekend it was.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Elite Series Plus event.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Okay, that sounds better than what I'm saying or trying
to say. Anyways, Rounds one and two were at Sprinkle
Valley and it was chaos. There was six card backups.
There was so many people just getting obliterated by this course.
(05:40):
I watched a little bit of it from the practice
round because everyone posted a practice round this week and
everyone had the same thumbnail of like them posing with
the antlers, which is like a whole thing. I don't
like them.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I literally texted Hannah.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
The picture of us screenshot when somebody was putting through
it for the drop zone, and I was like, Hannah,
what do you think of this?
Speaker 3 (06:07):
And we were like, no, ma'am, it's sillly when it
comes from like a player standpoint. But I was. I
was one of the people who posted a photo of thes.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
How could you not?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
It was so like it was aesthetically pleasing, but like,
I'm so thankful I made the island both rounds because
I would have hated trying to butt through those or
around those.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, most people like going over and around like a heiser.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Yeah, it was. It was pretty crazy. I think just
watching the golf in and of itself, it didn't feel
like the course was very It didn't feel like the
course was cleaned up enough, but it felt at the
same time like it was. So it was kind of
difficult because you're watching from home. We are, so that's
(06:56):
why it's nice to have you here Kona, because you
actually competed on the track, but from home, it's just
kind of like you're scrambling off the tea and then
you get to the fairway and now you're making a decision,
and then you're making a decision again, and it's kind
of The landing zones were interesting. So I guess I
want to open it to you if you can give
your feedback on the course and just your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
I think you said it perfectly. This course is only
two years old. Last year was the first year it
had ever been used for US Women's and then this
was the second year. And I was a little disappointed
that they didn't clean up the rough more because there
was like so many like vines, and I don't know
if they just didn't think that the players were maybe
(07:39):
going to go in these areas, like some of them
were pretty close off the tee, but it's like some
of these gaps are kind of hard to hit or
like you know, people yank shots and I feel like
like there were a few times me personally, I was
in a spot and I'm like, I would have a
shot here, but there is so much loose branches vines
that I feel like s have been cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
No, I shouldn't have been there.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
I should be in the fairway, but it's like you
should at least give us an opportunity to scramble out
of it. But even if, like you know, some of
off the fairway, you have weight. We called them hannahs
Ifonovitch and I called them French fry trees. So yeah,
tiny trees. And it's like a tree like okay, like
I'm throwing a roller and hopefully like I'm getting out
(08:24):
to like a spot where I can hopefully approach, but
then in that I'm definitely getting a bogie. Like that
was probably the hardest part, is this if you're not
getting off the tea, like you can't even scramble the
same par I think that was really disheartening for a
lot of players, and honestly, Discourse was one of the
few courses we play where I have seen more women
(08:45):
get off of it incredibly upset and angry.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, it was heartbreaking for sure. I think we saw
Kristin Lott just crying at one point and she was
visibly shaken through on Holy eighteen. And when you read
the bio of the course on the disc Golf Pro
Tour website, it says Sprinkle Valley established in twenty twenty three,
(09:11):
Like you said, very new, celebrated for its well maintained
teas and greens, innovative layout, difficulty tailored to mid and
experienced players. The highlights include the long holes with strategic
island landing zones, engineered obstacles and baskets set on elevated islands.
(09:32):
And then it goes on to say after your round
you can relax and refuel at the on site Austin
Beer Works tap room with a variety of food and refreshments.
Very cool amenities. I think in theory, this idea of
a course is not new. I think of a Northwood,
(09:52):
I mean, think of anywhere like this has been done before,
those long wooded like long holes with strategic Islands is
like we see that at Maple Hill too, you know.
And I love the idea of having a venue.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
But.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Sometimes I think people think that the impossible is what
like are getting very lucky is what makes a course
good without realizing that that's what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, and it's like disc golf, like they always say
it's disc golf is fifty percent skill fifty percent. Look,
you know, I always always hear that on the course, like, oh,
you're the luckiest player on tour. Like I do think
like luck comes into play, like ooh, I yank a
little bit to the right, but I hit that gap.
But it shouldn't be to a point where I'm like, ooh,
like I don't know which really gap.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I'm supposed to be going for. I hope I.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Get into a spot that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I have a question, KNA.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
You mentioned that players were coming off of Sprinkle Valley upset.
If you cut out whole eighteen, what do you think
the vibe would have been. Do you think they would
have still been equally upset or Like, obviously eighteen amplified
people's feelings, but like, if you cut that out, how
do you think people would feel about it?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
I don't think they would be as upset. But it's
like I played with a few women who like on
you know some of these holes where it's like I
can't remember what hole it is, but like there was
a right gap and there was a left gap. They
were both really tight part four, and I just remember
they were so angry, like they were like went off
that hole. They were kicking the ground, or they were
like just like visibly upset. There was like a few
(11:29):
holes throughout the round where just I mean me myself,
like there are a few times where I was like, dang,
like how am I going to come back from that?
Like are these French fries in my way? With all
of these French fries, I can't even like scramble out
of these. But then I don't know, I think they'd
still be upset. I just don't think they would be
in tears probably.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Yeah, And des Redding did commentary this week. I know
we didn't cover like the commentators, but she's had something
during the final round regarding Holland's mistakes. Holland was throwing
the disc really well and executing well, but the results
weren't benefiting her score. And how many times does that
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happen to you on the course where you play the
same round twice but one of them is three under
par and the other ones five over par. And you're thinking,
I wouldn't really change anything. These four days mentally exhausting
and it's making the players think and consider a lot more.
But Holland has to and does. Was like, Holland has
(12:33):
to recognize that she's throwing the disc well, but she's
not getting She has to make that connection on her
own that Okay, I'm throwing the disc well. I don't
need to change anything. I don't need to be upset
other than just being annoyed that the results aren't meeting
me where I am and which can happen in the
woods like that. But I think that, paired with constant
(12:55):
decision making from the course itself, made it very very
hard this weekend and resulted in a lot of frownie faces.
I agree.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
And also like when you have christ and Tatar like
one of the most consistent comeback players ever, like I'm
sorry I saw on disc all fanatic people were like,
what are the odds that she just comes back and wins?
And I'm like, she's she's seven strokes back, but it's like, yeah,
she's just so consistent, and I even I think I
texted Hannah in the group chat during that round and
(13:26):
I was like, I love watching Kristen play like you
can't tell she's angry, you can't tell she's happy, Like
she is just stone cold on a mission.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Mm hmm. Yeah. So the commentators for this week were
das Writing and Ian and Durson Anderson. I don't think
I've ever had to say his last name before. Really,
it was just Ian, you know, like it's just always
like you know Ian. So anyway, anyway, I think he
(13:57):
does a good job at keeping things light, and I
think sometimes he gets carried away in that. So for me,
it's way too light hearted and silly, and it doesn't
shift with the changing of the tension because it's just
always lighthearted. It's always goofy, and I think there's a
time and a place for that style, but explain why
(14:19):
things happen and why things aren't happening and why breaks
are coming. So it was nice to have Dez there.
I felt like they complimented each other well and she
kind of maintained composure, but there was a lot of
moments where instead of setting her up with the question.
He would like throw it to Perkins and be like,
so Perkins, like what do you think or Perk or
like Perks, which are I also don't like? He would say,
(14:40):
like what do you think of that moment? Like why
do you think she went for that decision? And it
was confusing to me. I don't know if like maybe
from the studio someone was asking him to use Perk more.
I think he does a good job of chiming in,
but it was just kind of weird to have Dez
sitting there as like a Texis, Texas native, She's been
in that moment so many times and she had so
(15:02):
many good insights. So hopefully as they work together this year,
they'll kind of be able to smooth out those rough edges,
because again, this is their first time this year working together.
I'm not sure if they've worked together before. But there
was just no discussion on why decisions were made. It
was a lot of sitting back and cowering why is
(15:23):
she going for this? Oh no, and a lot of
ugs and sound effects and like it's like.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
My least favorite thing in a commentator, like I don't
want to hear you saying oh oh, gosh. Like, I
think Dez did a great job of being like, hey,
like she could be going through this or like I
think like Allie's Alie Smith was like doing her her
putting or whatever, and like does is like she's doing
that because she's obviously working through something. Like I like
(15:49):
how she brought us back to like, hey, like you
don't need to like act like that because she's just
going through it.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Like yeah, everyone does. Yeah, he's kind of saying what
a lot of PEO people are thinking. But like I said,
it's got to be it's got to come and go.
You can't just only do that in my opinions, and
people love it so but they were the commentary team
and color commentary was very lacking. Again for FPO, I felt,
(16:16):
and I think it's just ignorance. I think people just
don't know because nobody's sitting in that booth has gone
to school for it, you know, nobody who's sitting behind
the microphone maybe besides Charlie has gone to school for it.
But yeah, no discussion on stats, not a lot of
background or previous wins or score updates unless it was
Ownskoggin's one here and she's saying contention again, and she's
(16:38):
on the Future Guard. It was kind of just the
easy stuff was available.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
But I kind of agree with you that Doz did
an awesome job. I would just love for Ian to
kind of bring in some more stats. I just I'd
like to hear more about the players. I know we
know these players, but it's like, you know, bringing some
more info. Why not.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Yeah, I really like the cadence that she has.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
It's like, I think maybe it balances out Ian's cadence
a little bit, like she's more She kind of reminds
me of like Juliana Korvra in the Booth too. They're
both like calm and we have really good insight when
they open their mouth.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
But I also agree it could come with more stats.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
I do like hearing backstories on where people came from
or what they've been going through.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, or like Kana pointed out with that with Ali
and her putt and seeing that circulate throughout social media
and having does voice on there was really nice because
it's it's necessary. It's a moment that's very real. And
I think it was actually you Kona that posted on
Instagram not too long ago. It was a speaker like
(17:41):
a motivational speaker kind of talking about the yips. It
might have been you, It might have been actually from Ali,
but I'm not sure. But anyways, they were saying all
the things that it could be, and they were essentially
letting people know that it is a little piece of
all of those things. It is sometimes fear and it's
(18:01):
something you can't control, your bodies reacting involuntarily and you
have to work psychologically to reverse that. And it sometimes
it is like elapse in focus, and sometimes it is
over focused and then you're feeling everything when normally you
wouldn't feel anything, and now you're like, oh my disc
am I holding it too hard? Am I holding it
(18:22):
too soft?
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Oh? Wait?
Speaker 1 (18:24):
Or whatever sport you're playing. And I just really liked that.
That was cool.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
I do post motivational stuff, so it's probably me.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
I just liked how it was so helpful for that
whole mindset, because discolf is such a mental task. Every
single weekend. We started off the whole shebang with own
Cat Holland and Silva Katrina Allen. She played well in Waco.
(18:57):
I think she had some moments, and then she played
well here. It was nice to see her on camera
because last year she had a baby and she's kind
of learning how to get her tour legs under her
full time, whereas someone like Macy Velladiaz, who also had
a baby, who's been competing well, isn't on tour full time.
So there's that ability to kind of go home and
(19:18):
be like, Okay, what worked, what do we need, what
don't we need, and sort of try it again. Kat
and Austin are just fully sent onto the tour. So
I give her credit because that is not easy to do.
I would know a Katrina obviously such a good woods game.
I always want to say woodsman, but I guess we
shouldn't say that, because that's an actual choice goddess. Remember, yes, Oh,
(19:42):
how could I forget? It was good to see her
out there own, of course, carving it up, coming out
on top after the first round with the hot score.
Houland just kind of stayed in there the whole time,
and Silva just couldn't hang. I thought she played really well.
I think it was that third round at her Panic
that she shot like a nine forty five rated round
(20:04):
when she had been averaging like nine to ninety rated golf.
And fifth we have Deane Carrey in six hand of
Blombers seven Shelley May Kat Kat Ella Like, it's just like,
because of the way that this course was, like this
tournament was set up, there was so much that could
go wrong that did, and it was really just like
(20:24):
who survived. I guess what I'm trying to try to
think of like a good way to say that. I
was super in placed.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
With own because she had an interview yes day before
and She's like, I'm not throwing four hands. I'm not
throwing four hands, and I immediately just kind of like
wrote her off. I was like, well, if she's not
able to throw four hands out here, her scramble game
is going to be rough. But then all of a sudden,
I see her on like you know, Chase Card Final Day,
banging putts and doing all this, and I'm just like,
(20:54):
you know, what, what is it like under oh under, underpromise,
over deliver, Yeah boom, they said the great commentary, Yes,
thank you, thank you. Think but I was just like
so impressed. I'm like, you know, I think if you
can put and you can throw just like some decent
backhands and like hit the fairways, you're just killing it.
Inn FPO right now.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Before we escape the talk about Sprinkle Valley and we
move on to Harvey Pennock, which was the other course
that people played. It felt like two tournaments, honestly, so
Holy Tina Harvey, no frick me, Holy teen at Sprinkle
Valley came in super hard. I mean the scores that
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were being taken on this whole were insane. At US
Women's they had changed the whole a little bit.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, there was just ob left and right.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I don't I see. It was an island, and I
believe that they had changed it to an island mostly
for weather, because the area where the stairs takes you
from the Fairway to the island tends to flood, so
having people avoid that area is the best. And that island,
I mean, averaged horrible scores and created huge backups for
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the course. Now here's the issue, and you know me
on this podcast is we don't freak out on this podcast.
That's the one thing that we don't do. And when
everyone else is losing their minds and running around setting
fire on things and then going what are we mad about?
I don't know. I just came here to set things
on fire. Awesome. Same, we don't do that in this community.
(22:26):
The thing is that approach, guys is blind, so I
don't understand why everyone is up in arms about. Oh
if I was Christin Lott, i would simply throw the
disc better. And it's like, well you can't freaking see it.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, but like, not only can you not see it,
it was super windy towards the end. Like in the
start of the day, maybe there wasn't a ton of win,
but towards the end of the round it was windy,
So that comes into play. But what people don't realize is, yes,
you have to throw over the stairs, but because you
have to throw over the stairs, you tend to have
your disc more nose up, and that tends to make
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your disc do different things than it is opposed to.
If I'm throwing my disc nose down flat, okay, yeah,
I'm getting the flight I want. But then all of
a sudden, you make me throw either over this staircase
or I'm up against the staircase. If some women didn't
throw a good approach or didn't remember that they could
take their ob stroke, you know back, some people just
(23:27):
like played right up against the like the staircase, like
you're you're messing with your nose angle and you're not
getting the flight you want out of your disc? And
I'm sorry, Am I the only one who thinks it's
kind of silly to be like, oh, you know, if
I just throw it way past the basket into the crowd,
o people, that's how I should be playing the hole
(23:47):
like it.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
May be so mad that some people's takes were well,
throw it on into the crowd, because that's how you
play it. You gotta play the game. Who cares you
didn't design it? And I'm like, I'm sorry. Is the
PGA their whole thing is like you have like be
of good character while you're playing the game, like but
also literally so horrible to be like, oh, look there's
my fans. Let me throw my high speed driver on
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into them. Hopefully they move out of the way, Like
what a horrible design.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
I feel like there's another perspective of I think, like
the iconic moment of Kristen falling apart on that whole.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Like Ondijian that weekend.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
So you're throwing multiple discs she threw I'm pretty sure three,
the third one stuck in bounce. When you're throwing multiple
discs like that, obviously her first disc was her first choice,
and you're like most confident in such a good decision.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
So then as you are starting like emptying out your bag,
throwing your approach into this green that you're already scared
of because of the reasons that ConA had mentioned, now
you're like becoming less and less confident because each disc
that you're throwing next is like your next confident disc.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah. I agree one hundred percent. And people don't take
that into consideration, which is why it's good to have
a commentary team that is like, Okay, this is what's happening.
And that's why we always are so hard on people,
because otherwise it all falls on the player and people
just assume, oh, the player just needs to get over themselves.
I don't hate Hole eighteen because it's hard and people
(25:19):
took high numbers on it, and because it made Kristin
Lot cry. Oh wait, I just checked my notes. That
is exactly why I hate Holy eighteen. No, I'm just kidding.
I think the idea around the hole is good. It's
not new. We have whole seventeen at Milo, we have
whole sixteen at the Beast, there's whole thirteen at Winthrop.
Hole eighteen at Maple Hill. The list goes on and on.
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You're playing the fairway strategically, so you can be in
an optimal position to go for some kind of an island,
but you get to see the flight of the disc
like the island in this case is blind. And my
issue with that is that, yes, there is a risk
reward aspect because the carry is long and it's uphill.
You can do it like it is. You're capable of
(26:03):
doing it, but it's blind, so you can't. You don't
know fully how to adjust, and it cuts off what
players can do, like ConA said, and it just increases
the margin of error way too much to be a
good hole. It's not a set tee every time where
you could practice it and kind of dial it in.
Because I heard that too. I heard a lot of
(26:25):
takes of you need to hit your landing zone and
then from there, and they would give the example of like, oh,
Kristen was playing the hole horribly, which is accurate, but
she had already played seventeen holes of madness and was
burnt out, respectfully, she needs to be able to handle
that and she knows that. Or they would use Holland
as an example and say, oh, Holland, and she was
in the perfect position, and then she played like she
(26:45):
had a bad shot, and then she just finally just
booked it up there and played from the back of
the island. And I don't love that because it's cherry
picking stats to make your point. The matter still exists
that the margin of error is two big for FPO. So,
like I said, it's not a fair. It's not a
teapad where the shot is like a blind carry to
(27:06):
an island where you could dial that in and then
we could instead of being ooh in awe over oh
I hope it sticks or I hope they make it,
it's like, wow, look how skilled they are, which is
what we want. It's hard to dial in your shot too,
because wood chips wind. Like you said, it's a par five.
But the other dish issue that Coda kind of pointed out,
(27:28):
you're seeing higher speed drivers which aren't gonna connect with
the green anyways, because you're seeing them because they have
to freaking scramble and you have to hit the line,
so you're not able to focus solely on coming to
rest and what your disc does once you hit. You can't.
That's like rule number one when you're going from amateur
to pro is stop trying to control your disk the
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entire way. You have to put it on the angle
and hit the line, and then whatever else happens is
out of your hands. For the most part, especially in
the woods. We've had island before. It's not new. I
don't care that it's a long par five. I don't
care that it's a long carry. My issue as I'm
watching players approach the screen, and we watched a lot
of them because there was a lot of card back comes.
(28:12):
Why was I watching them thinking, Oh my gosh, I
hope they hit it. I hope it sticks, I hope
it gets lucky. That's bad golf. So that's my feelings
on eighteen. I don't hate the hole. I think they
just need to adjust.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
It before we move on.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
They made a rule on from them, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
They made a rule that if you do not uh,
if you throw four shots to get on the island,
you know, then you proceed to the second drop zone.
Do you think that this hole would be better and
less crazy if they were to say if you miss
the island on the first or second shot, you know,
because I think some ladies you know, there were some
people took thirteen's you like, what if you miss the
(28:54):
initial island? Okay, you and you go to that drop zone,
and that's just called.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
That a day. When you're reworking the hole, you have
to think about those margins of error that a player
is going to face, and you have to take into
consideration how to make it smaller. And for some trecks
it's getting rid of trees. For other trecks it's shortening
it and giving it a different pin position. For this one,
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I think if you shortened that island carry, then the
women who can throw further with slower speed discs have
an advantage and you don't always have to disc up
super high in order to hit it. You're not able
to scramble like scramble what like, you're just guessing. You
go peak, you take a peek, you go look, and
you're like, Okay, I think I need to hit this
(29:42):
angle from a good shot, and that shouldn't be happening.
In my opinion with disc golf at this level, I
think that's a very good way to ruin a hole.
In the spirit of this conversation and just what we've
seen online and how we've seen it mocked and how
we've seen this idea of like, oh, you guys just
(30:03):
need to get better, Like it's if I was you,
I would simply just throw it on the green, like
I don't know what your problem is. Love that in
the spirit of that, Do you guys think that if
whole seven at USDGC the bamboo hole was introduced now
that people would hate it? Okay, so we have this field,
We're gonna stick this triple Mando out like three twenty
(30:27):
five out ahead of the tea, and then we're just
gonna come with the basket there and that's gonna be
our hole. Like don't you think that hole would just
get I feel like it would have mixed reviews. Just
makes me laugh thinking about like the Reddit threads of
like this is what is worst part of our sport,
but because it's so historical, people are like this is
the best, so iconic, so iconic. It just made me laugh. Kona,
(30:56):
what was what's your take on that elevated of Holy
eighteen at Olympus, Because that's an elevator that's super elevated.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Think for a percentage of the division. Obviously I can't
look because I don't have stats. Right now. But I
think for like some women, it was really hard because
you have to throw it so nose up. For me,
it was a more controllable MAKEO three shot because I
can throw a hard mid range it can just glide
and go straight. But it's like, I'm thinking of some
women who can't really throw that kind of shot, and
(31:26):
I think it's pretty tough, especially because it's so o
B up there too, like there's so much O B
I saw some but also short.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
You get to choose your landing zone, like you get
to choose, not your landing zone. That was dumb. It's
an island. You get to choose your line, so you
can choose based on your comfortability and your form. There's
nothing in front of you, whereas this hole eighteen at
Sprinkle Valley there's something right there, so you can't. It's
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kind of set for you and you have to meet
the challenge. I don't hate that. I hate that. Let's
say it doesn't work out and now you have to
go back to your back and you're like, well, I
don't really know where it went wrong.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
I think that everyone has expressed the obvious reasons of
why there's issues with it.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
It's going to be worked on, Like the pro tour
is not just gonna let it be like this horrible
hole in the future and then we're just gonna like
go back next year and it's gonna be the same, right,
Like obviously they take feedback.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Sometimes they do that, though to be fair, some not
you guys, Sometimes like Steve Dodge has done that before
where it's like or Nate Heinold's done that before where
it's like a super hard hole. People take high numbers
on it and they are just they just believe in
the hole and they're like, sucks to you get better,
and then people do. So sometimes it does work out
that way.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Okay, I don't think this is that case, But either way,
I think that the Island is difficult and it's hard
to like justify it one way or the other because
like the it was a teeny or whoever it was
that posted on Reddit of the explanation which Panah you
touched on of like why they made it the island
versus like the strip that kinda said it was last
year or at US Women's Uh. It makes sense from
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like a tad perspective when you're planning for it, it
like looks good on paper, but then when it happens,
obviously it doesn't look good on paper. So I understand
the planning aspect of it and why you know that
decision was made, But yes, I just don't agree that
it was a good hole.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Well, the other course that we played at was Harvey Pennick,
and I will read the bio because Harvey Pennick was
just the medicine to some of these poor disc golf hearts.
After two rounds of Sprinkle Valley, which honestly it's called
Sprinkle Valley, it should have been a nice, cute, comfy ride,
but it wasn't. It wasn't. It just wasn't. Harvey Pennick
(33:49):
Disc Golf Course in Austin, Texas is a well known
eighteen hole golf course set on a former ball golf property.
It features long, open fairways with minimal tree coverage, offering
opportunities for big drives and distance throws. The course is
well maintained with smooth, grassy fairways and a few strategically
placed obstacles to challenge players accuracy. Known for its scenic
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views and spacious layout, Harvey Pennock is a favorite among
local disc golfers and provides a fun, relaxed rounds round
for players of all skill levels. Yeah, so Harvey Pennick
was like a new tournament.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yeah, it was a new feel. I mean it was
more wide open. I feel like ob came in to
play a lot more the wind came in to play
a lot more tons of elevation changes, lots more birdie opportunities.
I think for the women as well. I mean we
saw Own just like popping off and like the first
front nine and ended up like taking what third place?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Did she take third?
Speaker 3 (34:48):
Am I right?
Speaker 1 (34:49):
And saying hm hmm.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah, So it's like yeah, and she at the beginning
she was getting interviewed by Nate and.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
She's like, yeah, I'd be happy with like a top five.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
And then she just went on fire and it was like.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I mean, Holland Hanley who won the tournament shooting a
one under part overall after four days of golf, which
is crazy because she's the only one to finish under par.
Kristin Lott was close. She took second and like just
ended at even. So I think that's pretty crazy considering
at one point she was carting a plus eleven on
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one single hole to end up at even is nasty work.
I mean, then the way it started, pack it in, pack.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
It up, didn't pack it out.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
She sure did, she did. And then Owenskoggin's two over
par uh. Holland Hanley came out in round three. She
survived at Sprinkle Valley. She went ninety six, nine ninety seven,
and then round three they opened the gates and she
shot at ten twenty nine nine down on the back nine.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
Yeah, she was like, see you later, guys, it's been
real sorry.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Can we just like take a moment for f PO
disc golf right now, Like when I find just got
into the sport nine to thirty was awesome. Yeah, like
you said earlier, you're like, oh, Silva, she was like
nine ninety and nine ninety and then she took like
a nine to forty, like you made that sound and
I was like, oh my gosh, like that nine forty
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back then was like fire. And like five years later
and it's like you have to be shooting nine ninety
to be frigging winning these things? What are we n PO?
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Facts? And also Holland took home a check for seven thousand,
six hundred and fifty dollars, so ye, you're not playing
for a lunch anymore, that's for sure. You're playing for
like the whole year's lunch. I need to like sit
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with this tournament for a little bit longer and just
kind of keep it in the back of my head
because we just came off of Waco where I said
that Kristen is hard to beat unless she gets in
her own way, and then I felt like watching her
play Sprinkle Valley Holy eighteen is such a good example
of her getting in her own way, and I'm like,
(37:11):
sometimes it makes me emotional to think about it because
for us, we see this player and we see what
she's capable of, and you watch any sport and you're like, wow,
why didn't Tom Brady in that you know, receiver make
that connection they always do, or like, oh why did
they say it was so are like, oh, they're talking
about their career and they're like, man, I was so
nervous and it was so hard, and you're just like, oh,
(37:33):
but when I think about watching her walk up Holy eighteen,
she had failed so many times in front of so
many people, and it's that quote that's like the higher
you are, the harder you fall, and everyone just builds
her up, builds her up, builds her up, and then
we see a moment of her humanness and it's like shocking.
(37:53):
But Silver had to as her caddie sid like hold
her and like say words of affirmation like you can,
you know, do this, and coach her before she threw
because she was so visibly shaken over that approach shot.
And think of how good a golfer she is, so
(38:18):
for her to make that comeback, it's so huge for
Halland to hold on and to be able to overcome
her own stuff, which is always a bridesmaid, never a
bribe this year because she's taken second twice already. For
her to be able to pull it off, it was
such a cool battle, but it was really irritating actually,
(38:40):
and I texted the cent Our group chat. Holland was
irritating me. I said, Hallan is irritating me because she
keeps making stupid decisions and I'm starting to take it personally.
It's like a yeah, I'm like, Holland, don't run that
putt so down hill. Then she runs and I'm like yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
I'm sure everyone felt the fatigue of like just thinking
about the schedule, of like, oh you said, Waco. Now
you're going to turn right around and go play this
four day event. Luckily they're right next to each other,
Like it's what a couple hour drive, But aside from that,
you don't have time to recover. Well you could, but
then you're not gonna have enough time to practice both.
There's two courses, and so I feel like it was
(39:21):
just a lot. It was just a lot in the
last two weeks. And I'm sure that people are glad
to just chill for a minute before we going to Nashville.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
That's such a good point because like can they just
flip like wait, I feel like we're all next year. Cool.
I didn't even consider that. Wait, ye what the hecks? Yeah,
it was too much. That's so simple. That's so annoying. Actually,
(39:50):
I haven't heard anybody talk about that this whole time.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Honestly, congrats to Holland. She looked so stressed, and she
even said it during her interview at the end, like
she felt so stressed and you could visit just see
her just unraveling her stress throughout the round, like constantly
going back to Tyler getting his affirmation, and like I said,
it was really cool to see just Kristen just on
a mission, just Estonian, you know, stoic, ready to kick
(40:16):
some booty. And but I am proud of Holland for
like fighting through that stress, fighting through maybe like some confidence.
Like you said, she was throwing the right shots, maybe
not getting the outcome she wanted, but it was really
cool to see her finish with that cowboy hay mm hmmm.
Speaker 5 (40:33):
I love Kona's accents.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
It's nice to see the perseverance payoff because I think
the easiest thing to do when you're commentator on sports
is to just talk about all of the things that
went well, and this was sort of a weekend that
went fine. You know, sometimes that's all it takes, is
just not quitting and just not giving up and showing
up and keeping going. She kept saying, I guess I
(41:00):
already talked about this, but she said she she knows
that she didn't play She played well, like she did
a lot of things really well, but she knows like
she didn't play amazing all the time, and there's a
lot of stuff that she would change. But it's all
about feel. So it's easy to look back and be like, oh,
I didn't connect with the basket like I thought I
was going to, but you you're in control, and sometimes
(41:22):
that's the most important part. And I think we can
kind of forget that when we get so wrapped up
in stats, being like why did she go for that
or why is she relying so heavily on this part
or whatever, and then they come off and they're like,
my forearm feels my forehand feels great, and we're all
like it does like my circle too amazing, and we're like,
you're three out of seven like what they do, but
(41:45):
they don't know, like you don't know. The other thing
I wanted through out there is that Missy did an interview,
well she kind of did with the guys from Tour
Life is That the podcast, And so she talked a
little bit about her her experience with like Holy teen
and all that stuff, and she said, I think it's
important because like we didn't get any interviews this week,
(42:05):
so we're just kind of stealing other people. So but
she said she doesn't mind a hole that makes you think,
So she's not like, you know, gonna say anything about
the hole in that regard because there's nothing wrong with
a difficult hole or a hole that like makes you think,
and like scares you a little bit or is intimidating,
but either way, she said that the hole needs to
(42:28):
be addressed because of the backups that it caused. So
if you want to hear what she has to say,
you can go find their show. She gave like pretty
good insight and then was just kind of able to
speak from like the FBO perspective because those guys are
those guys are not us. They are they are not
the party podcast. They're opinionated and strong. But anyways, that's
(42:53):
pretty much it. So now we have an off week.
There are some eight tiers going on ConA. Are you
excited for Nashville? Do you like that tour? Like that course?
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I love You're going there? I am.
I am going there. I am going there.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
But what is this?
Speaker 3 (43:13):
It's not my favorite, but I'll be there, Okay.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
I feel the times that I've been there, it's just
always wet.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
Wet and long.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
One of the biggest courses play m Okay, Well that
should be good for you because you have an arm
and a half. Yeah yeah, y'all. All right, Well, thank
you guys so much for listening. We will see you
next week when we cover some of the eight tiers
and some other things that happened on the tour and
(43:43):
in our lives.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
Thanks for partying with us.
Speaker 5 (43:46):
Why.
Speaker 1 (43:49):
Thank you for listening to The Party Podcast and pan
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