April 2, 2025 • 48 mins
This week Hannah, Christine, and Kona answer fan questions from competitors at Collegaite Nationals, the biggest collegiate disc golf event of the year. They share insights on transitioning from team sports to single sports, and experiences with cyber bullies. Then the hosts cover all of the pdga rules updates that were recently released online. It's our best episode yet! Come partee with us!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Party Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
A celebration of professional women's disc golf with plenty of
hot takes, fun stories, and fan questions.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I'm Hannah macbeth, I'm Christine Jennings, I'm ConA Montgomery, and
we are the Party Podcast. Hello everyone, Welcome back to
the podcast. Here we go. I don't know how to
start these anymore because it's like we're hanging out and
then I'm like, oh, hey, let's press record, and it
just feels very unauthentic. So how's everyone doing? Hi?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Doing well? It's a beautiful day in California.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Oh are you still there?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I am still there. I get my gall bladder test tomorrow.
I'm just so excited.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So are you not playing Music City Open?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Then? I am playing Music City Open. I fly in
early on Thursday, play a practice round, a very focused
practice round, take notes, and then I'm sending it. But
I've been practicing a lot here. Did you sign up
for a practice round already with Colton? Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Okay, good because they're doing Thursday.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Oh, it doesn't even matter because it's gonna just be
rain all week, so you're gonna have way so slow
and so there's gonna be a lot of scrambling.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I just need to walk it. I've played it a
million times. I know there's like tighter opies, but honestly,
I think it'll force me to play better golf.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Ooh yeah I feel that. Did you say no, Christine?
Did you say no?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I said yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I was like yeah, oh, I thought you said nope.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I was like dig I'm like Christine, She's like, you
suck code good.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Nope, that won't work for you, my pet.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
We're having isolated thunderstorms today and trying to put my
child down to sleep during that was pretty fun.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
First experience, Yeah, first experience at like for bedtime with
him as like a toddler, so he's kind of like, hey,
what's that noise? And also can I just like not
sleep right now? And also can I go outside? Like
what's going on? The sun's out?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I went to my basement the other day because of
the tornado warning, like all that weather was like coming
east and it hit Ohio. It's the same one. Well,
I guess every all the players were like warned by
Seth Munsey like.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Hey, this storm's coming, be careful when you're on the road.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
But yeah, there was a tornado that touchdown, like there
have a tornado that touchdown.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Like thirty minutes south of me.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And then like there was a couple other you know,
I watched Ryan Hall y'all because we're all discoed, so and.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, Ryan, I couldn't remember.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
If you ever need a tornado in sight, watch Ryan.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Hall y'all on YouTube because he's on it and he'll
probably tell you about a tornado warning before your like
public service announcement. So anyways, I was fine. I just
went in there because I was a little scared. It
was like NonStop lightning for like thirty minutes. Yeah, like
it was so windy that I thought a tornado was
coming at me. Like I was concerned, and so I
turned Ryan Hall y'all on and there wasn't a tornado,
(03:00):
but he was, you know, I was watching it and
making sure. And then eventually the warning came, so in
them and it's supposed excuse me, it's supposed to happen
again tomorrow and it's gonna affect Nashville for music city.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
So maybe that's a good segue into music city.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I fly out.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Oh if it's really bad, they'll delay it. Great, then
I won't be able to see the course I was
watching When we were driving from a tournament up to Michigan.
I think it was to fly out, to leave the
RV and to like fly out to Europe or something crazy.
And we were in like the bottom left of Michigan,
(03:41):
and all of a sudden, sky just looked horrible and
I was like, sitting in the passenger seat and it's me,
Paul and Pablo, and I started I launched it on
my phone and turns out we were in the same
area that he was covering, and I was like, Paul,
we need to pull over. It's the worst feeling that
is for me. The worst experience of being on tour
(04:03):
is being in severe weather and you're not from there
and you don't know where to go, and your home
is on wheels, and the first thing they say is like, hey,
make sure you're not in a home on wheels, and
you're like, okay, well.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
You always go to the hospital. Oh that's smart.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Always go to a hospital. Jennifer Smiley in Alabama this year,
like she didn't have anywhere to stay and so we
had a twenty ad a warning. She went to hospital
and they kept her there until it was safe.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Wow, that's kind of nice. Mm hmmm, huh, that's cool.
Tip All right, Well, we did have some disc golf
Christ and Lott when the Jonesboro Open it was a
Friday and Saturday tournament and then I believe it was
a twenty six hole layout. Twenty seventh blade was a
what twenty seven twenty seven whole layout?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
But also what an interesting thing?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Like I saw her post on Sunday like, oh, I
won yesterday, and I'm like yesterday, Like.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
What how was all this? Comba? I was so confuse,
what day is it?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It was her one hundredth wind. She shot at ten
thirty four and ten twenty seven rated round respectively. I
think she just really likes it there. But I also
think it's because it's the beginning of the year and
people are like, oh, I'm just gonna play, because I
think if it's August, she's not playing this event. Well,
animal long.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Track Jonesboro specifically is like kind of on the way
to Music City, and it's a very familiar course. It's
not like the players have to go and learn this
new course like it's Jonesboro.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I guess there's some new other holes.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, you're right, You're right. Hmmm.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Either way, why wasn't that on the course on tour
this year?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Uh, we were taking a break from it because they're
like fixing some of their infrastructure.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I think cool.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah, you know, yeah, that sounds right, like not great
and stuff with that course, yes, yeah, something with that.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh and then that neighborhood or one of the places
that they park all the players, I believe was like
under construction or they were like making it bigger or
something like. Yeah, I think you're right, that sounds right
to me. I did read that like a lot of
the tournament stops that aren't on tour this year, they
use that phrase like taking a break, and it was
because for that reason, like they're kind of fixing stuff
(06:10):
about it, So it wasn't like ooh drama, like just boring. Owenskoggins,
and Val were competing in Texas States in Houston. That's
another one that people would normally go to. After the
two Texas tournaments, they were both tied it and minus
four heading into the final day, but Val ended up
(06:31):
taking it down. She shot a nine ninety four rated
final round and one by two.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
That's crazy. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Vallas had like kind of a slow start to her season.
I think she took two twentieth places and then eleventh
or like somewhere near the top ten. It's I just
feel like Texas, outside of her winning Waco that one year,
she just there's it's kind of like the hometown curse.
But for the state. I don't know, you guys ever
feel like that happens to people. No completely.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I feel like maybe it's like expectations, like, oh, I
play here all the time, or I've been on these tracks.
I remember during the off season she played Sprinkle Valley
a decent amount, and yeah, you know, she played well
obviously during the event to get on lead coverage the
final days. But it's just like I feel like, maybe
you put this expectation on yourself. But also I was
surprised because she was my winning horse for Austin.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Just like, her game's been looking really good, her putts
looking like more confident than ever, and then obviously we
saw her kind of struggle that final round, but she
was my she was my winner.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, I'd like to know kind of what's going on,
because you're right, she has everything, she just has to
put it together. But sometimes it's just getting back into
the swing of things, and there's a lot we said
it last week about Kristen, like there's like a lot
of stuff that can go wrong though we don't really
know about. So Paige Pierce went to New Orleans for
Louisiana's second.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Eight second eightier ever.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Okay, I was like, wait, why did I write that?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Total? Wow? Go ahead, sorry, no, yeah, just the second
eightier ever. Colton said he was the one who gave
me that pro pro tip, and I thought that was
just really interesting considering, like you know, Medio plays in
like those areas a lot, and I just honestly was
surprised to hear that that was their only second eightier.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, there was only three women that competed. I remember
going through there several years ago for a mcbee's Challenge,
and their courses are amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
They're slipped on.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I can see. That's the thing. Remember we had that
episode where we talked about like if the TDS could
come in like the Avengers to some of these tricks
and just be like, hey, guys, this is how we're
going to run our event. I'm gonna bring my team,
We're gonna use these courses. There's so many good courses
in the United States that we don't even go to
touch ever. So it's kind of nice to have everybody
(08:48):
spread out for that reason because I feel like it
brings bringing pros to that area, brings a lot of feedback,
and then it brings attention to areas that we don't
really see. So it's kind of nice to have the
week off and people could do whatever they wanted.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I feel like it's like a comence booster for like
players like Page Peers, who like hasn't been like winning
a ton, and like, you know, she could get another
win under her bell and like obviously she's a champ,
you know whatever, five time champ for everything, but it's
cool to see her kind of take a win after
a while, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah. Well, one thing that's coming up is the Collegiate
Nationals is this week, and I'm so excited. I love
college disc golf. I don't know anything about what's going
on this year because you don't really have to. It's
(09:35):
sort of like any kind of school event. You just
cheer for the school that you love, and then you
kind of figure out personalities as the week unfolds. The
Liberty Women's Disc Golf team won nationals last year in
their division, and so one of my really good friends
was up there and she got a few fan questions
for our show. So, you guys, I'm going to play
(09:58):
those really good questions. So let's roll those. Hi, I'm
from Liberty University. And what is the most valuable.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Lesson you've learned from a loss and how did it
apply to your game moving forward?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, so that's a casual question.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
First of all, thank you, Bree, good luck this week.
Does anyone want to go first?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Because I don't, Christine, So I can't think of like
one specific loss that's like, oh, man, like I learned
so much from that.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I think it's like a culmination.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Of losses throughout your career.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I played a lot more A ties and B tiers
over like pro tour events, so I feel like I
was in contention a lot more for like the podium,
and so I have had a lot of playoffs that
I was in, and so then when you have a playoff,
obviously it's nerve wracking because you're basically having to play
again and it's for the win, like every shot matters,
(10:54):
and I've lost. I probably was like fifty to fifty
on them, so I've lost like a good handful of them.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Time that happens, Like you always.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Go back and think even after a bad round, it
doesn't even have to be a loss. It's like after
a bad round you go back and you try to
like think of like what did I do wrong?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
What went wrong?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
And like you always want to try to pinpoint it,
but it's never really that simple. You can't just be like, oh,
if I would have just gotten made that pot, or
if I would have just hit that line.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Like, it's never that simple.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
So I think it's taking that and changing your perspective
to when you go play future events, just try to
be in the moment and make every shot count and
do the best you can on that specific shot, and
then like don't dwell on it after you know, whatever
happens happens.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, I mean taking you what you just said and
completely for me, it's like complete opposite. It's like taking
a loss. Like I think I've been playing so long
and I've played with so many amazing women who just
like win all the time for so long that it's
hard to like not get down on yourself and not
be like I'm never gonna win. I'm never gonna play
(11:58):
place well and like take that loss and being like
what did I do right? Like what were the things
that I just kicked butt at and I was just
really successful with? Because it's like if I focus on
every little thing that I do wrong every single week, Yes,
I sit down and I'm you know, going through my
head of like things I need to work on. Sure,
(12:18):
like I need more reps with my Leopard three. I
was turning it over or whatever. But it's like sitting
back and being like, you know what, you threw that
emperor so well that past weekend, Like Okay, keep keep
dialing that in, keep leaning on that, or oh, your
fifteen foot puts were so great. Now, like let's really
focus on those twenty footers and like let's see if
(12:38):
we can get the stats up a little bit more.
So it's like for me, it has to come from
more of a positive place or I will lose my mind.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I love that the thing I think of isn't like
one big thing. It's more of a culmination of just
like a bunch of mistakes that came from one place.
So for me, it was having low self esteem on
the core manifested itself as like going too fast, not
speaking up and giving my true opinion, and then letting
(13:07):
myself be swayed by other people's approaches to holes. So
I guess over time and experience, I realized that that
was what I was doing and addressing that, and just
the way that I overcame that was like practice and
just experience for me because I didn't spend that much
(13:31):
time playing. I went from like super casual college and
then on tour, and those were the big events that
I was playing with women who were super comfortable, they
knew their game, they had like their bag backwards and forwards,
and I didn't have that experience. So yeah, that's a
really good question. Though. All right, we have another one.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
This is not a line joiner from North Carolina. My
question would be, all right, as college athlete myself, how
do you transfer for mostly US playing teams, how do
you transfer being an individual with all stakes on your
each individual throw.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
That's a really good question too, So basically she's asking
how do you transition from team sports to solo sport
like disc golf where all the pressure is on you
for every shot?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, I mean I went from high school like softball
and like track, where you know, everyone relied on you.
If the ball's coming towards you, you better catch it
and you better get it to first base, or you're
ruining everybody else's chance at winning. I think that's what
I love so much about disc golf, though, is that,
like I didn't have to think, oh gosh, like if
I mess up, everybody on the teams can hate me.
(14:39):
It's like I'm my individual, It's all on me. I
can see that, Like it could be like a lot
of pressure in the sense of like now it's just
you who you're like setting standards for. But transitioning from that,
I guess it's just like like you kind of said
about the other question, it's practice, it's reps. And I
also think it's like constant affirmation, like yeah, you deserve
(15:00):
to be here, Like you deserve to be here, you
put the work in. Now just let yourself get into
the flow state.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Personally, m yeah, I agree with what ConA said. She
kind of mentioned like not letting, not wanting to let
your team down. But there's also the other factor of
I'm super competitive. I played volleyball and I rent track,
but more on volleyball. You get frustrated when your team
doesn't do well, and it might not always have been
your fault.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
It might have been somebody else's fault. And of course
as a team, you're not going.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
To put the blame on like one individual. But from
a competitive standpoint, also going back on the practicing and
reps and all that stuff, it's like, I fully have
control over all of the reps and all the practice
that I do. Of course, when you're with the team,
you're going to practice as a team and try to
be like cohesive, but I just like having my own
responsibility basically of you know, I'm going to put in
(15:49):
the work and I'm want to see the results kind
of thing.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I think the most important thing I want to say
to people listening is that you're not going to be
good at it, because it's really hard to be good
at letting it go and all the things that ConA
just said, I was, yeah, I completely agree, Like in
terms of forgiving yourself and like being kind to yourself,
it's so hard. It's hard when you're not on the
(16:12):
disc golf course and you're just an adult, Like it's
really hard. I think just giving yourself grace in areas
where you're weak and recognizing that they're weak, but then
being responsible for them. If you really want to grow,
if you really want to get better, you have to
be like Christine said, you have to be responsible for
(16:32):
your weaknesses and you have to be on yourself. And
so for me, I transitioned from soccer and I'm a
huge extrovert. I love team sports. I love everything about it.
And then college disc golf was really where I like
truly fell in love with the sport as a community
because I made so many good lifelong friends. For those
(16:53):
of you that don't know, that's where I'm at, Hunter
Thomas and like that's how Hunter and Hunter and Palm met.
It's it's very cool, how like we're all connected. But
then when you go out on tour or when you
go out and you're competing in a tournament, it's just you.
So yeah, it is hard, and I think recognizing and
recognizing your weaknesses and just remembering like you know, you're
not gonna be good at it all the time, You're
(17:15):
not gonna have like short term memory, and you know, oh,
I just gotta let this go, Like you're not gonna
be good at it all the time. Like a Christen Star,
she just broke down in tears over a hole and
she's like the number one. She's literally rated a thousand rate.
You know, that's how I transitioned. I just kind of
recognized my weaknesses and just tried my best to just
(17:37):
be gentle with myself. And that's what everyone's doing all
the time, and it you know, you still have to
make your community. I love Kona, I love hanging out
with you like so much, But when we're on the course,
we're not really chatty, you know, because we're.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
A person on the disc golf course.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
But we're comfortable around each other because I feel I
can be honest with you and I can be my
authentic self. So finding friends like that that you can
be authentic with and that just no yep, and finding
community like that is super good. Last question, this is fun.
(18:15):
I missed this segment.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I know.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
My name is Maya Wringled and I am from Richmond, Virginia,
but I play disc golfer Emporia Estate. And my question is,
in this world of social media, how do you deal
with the commentary from strangers or people you know in
terms of getting comments about man, explaining and just feedback
(18:41):
in general. Trying to compare women to men in the
comment section.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It wouldn't be a podcast that my dog showing up honestly, Harrison, Okay,
you guys can answer that. I'm gonna go get Harrison
because I don't know if you can hear him. He's
barking a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
So when I used to get comments like that on
my video, it kind of depended on the mood that
I was in, but also just keeping in mind like
the persona that I want to have online and like
how do I want to present myself online?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So there are.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Times when I might want to be sassy, but like,
I can't be sassy all the time because then you
just look like a not I was about to say
the B word, but you don't want to seem like
a B word, you know, Like, so.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
You kind of have to just be careful with that.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
But I had some sassy remarks, but then also it's
kind of like always reminding them like, hey, I'm working
on this, so like thanks for your input.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
And just kind of leaving it there.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
The thing with internet trolls is the more you argue
with them, you're like adding fuel to the fire.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
So when you give them that energy, they're going to
give it right back.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
So like basically just trying to shut them down in
a polite way is typically the way that I would
go about them.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, for me, I've got to the point where, ever
since I had like my surgery and everything, like I
have just been confrontational ConA. I've also been blocky Kona, Like,
if you say anything disrespectful on my page, you're getting blocked,
Like there's no three strikes, You're gone. It's like, if
you're coming on my page being disrespectful to me, this
(20:12):
is my page. I have the ability to remove anyone.
So I've been blocking a lot of people. But also
like if someone's just trying to be helpful and it's
just coming out wrong, Like a lot of people just
think they're being helpful. But at the end of the day,
it's like I've been doing this for my life for
like almost what six or seven eight years, Like I
(20:34):
think I know what I need to do. And also
I'm sorry, like I'm friends with like Hannah's husband or
Calvin Heinberg, Like I'm sure i could ask someone with
way more ability who can actually help me, rather than
some Joshmo on the internet. So my thing is the
leading people who mess with your mental health, but also
(20:56):
don't take it personally because usually people who are internet
were are just sad people.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Also, hi Maya, Hi Maya, good luck go Horning.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Do you guys know her?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I know you probably do.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
If I wouldn't recognize her, you might. She's a sweetheart.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Okay, and Pooria State now sponsored by innov A discs.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
Let people go go Eric, Yeah, feedback, Uh, I heard
I read about this. Actually I read about this in
a book this morning as part of my like waking
up routine.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I like to like get into the book. Sometimes it's
the Bible, but hey, it was this book about uh,
recovering the Lost art of discernment because this world is crazy.
Oh uh, I read about this, And you really just
have to have two feet on the ground, and as
Christina and I love to say, you have to touch grass.
If you're not ready, don't go online like some people
(21:54):
post in ghost for reasons, and I don't think there's
a way to control that. If you need to control that,
then you shouldn't be on social media. If you have
to be on social media, schedule posts and just don't interact.
There's gonna be some topics that I talk about in
my social media that I'm like, hey, it's me and
the family. We're hanging out, and there's some that I'll
(22:16):
just be like, we're going and traveling and it's not
going well, and I'm and I'm thinking, like, I can't
post this because people are gonna say, like, well, at
least you know you're not in a desk job, and
at least this and that at least, and people will
throw stones at all sorts of things, and so you
get to your side. Yeah, you get to decide what
you're sharing. And so how would you deal with constant
(22:39):
feedback as an up and comer. I think you're gonna
have to maybe do a trial by fire here and there.
Happens to all of us. And I think it's just
really surrounding yourself with community and remembering to just get
off the dang phone and go be an actual real community.
Touch some grass, Touch some grass.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
This book I was reading was super cool. It was
talking about like when you are in a community, like
a virtual community, you're able to just continue to portray
this version of yourself that is in your complete control.
And even when we're being authentic and saying, oh, I'm
having such a bad day or oh I'm really struggling
with this. We're still doing it for people that are
(23:20):
going to accept us, and being aware of that is
so important because in a real community, you cannot hide
your human your humanity. You just can't, and so you
have to have real community. It's so important. Yeah, but
these are good questions, and Collegiate Nationals is this week
(23:42):
PDGA dot com to follow along and keep up. They
have so many awesome things happening this week and you
can be a part of it as a virtual fan.
Thank you guys so much for partying with us and
for these questions. That was super fun. And good luck
this week. Good luck all right. Basically what happened is
the PDGA updated a bunch of their rules. So I
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want to go over there these with you guys, and
I did ask a couple questions. I think there are
some that I may omit or just like go through
pretty quickly, but for the audience sake, I want to
go over these because I feel like these are gonna
be relevant to you.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I thought this was funny. The PDGA expanded to recognize
that shotgun events and flex starts exist, so good for you,
Flex starts are where players choose their own starting time,
their own group, or both. So good job recognizing that
they exist. They have for a long time, but now
there's rules about it, so if you are a flex
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Star event, you feel seen. Instead of completely banning video
evidence and media when it comes to making rules for
sanctioned play, now photo and video evidence may be used
by the TV or official to clarify the meaning of
course markings. For example, is a marking on the course
relevant to competition and make rulings related to player misconduct,
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and the evidence may be provided by anyone present who
witnesses the misconduct crazy. An example of this would be
if US three are on a card and Nate Heinel's
the TD, I can text him and ask him and
send him a picture and say like are these markings
ob or not? And he can respond. Whereas previously that
was frowned upon because it would have been considered like
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using digital media to make a ruling. Evidence of player
misconduct may also be evaluated at any time by the
PDGA Disciplinary Committee. Have you ever needed to reach out
to a TD or have you ever had to communicate digitally?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Like?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Has this? Did any of this ever happen to you, guys.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
The only thing that I can think of is like
an ob ruling where it's like someone's disc looked like
it was like maybe in between, and they're like, oh, well,
let's take a picture and send it to the TD
and we're like, hmm, you can't do that, like we
need to you know, just kind of guess and you know,
come to an agreement. Usually it's like ended up as
like a benefit to the player kind of situation. But
like there's been a few where it's been like, oh,
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we have this photo and they're like, I don't show me.
It's not a lie.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
So she's holding her fingers over her eyes.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
I was.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I was thinking of when Hannah mentioned like texting heinold
and being like, hey, here's this picture.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
What do you think.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
I feel like that's cool to be able to do.
But I would hope that the TV's being like as
responsive to everyone as they are to that one person.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
So that's like one discerning thing to me.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
What it was just an example, guys, But otherwise, yeah,
I agree with Conna most of the time.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Players.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Just if there was ever a question with like even
the OBI situation that Conna mentioned, you can just play
a provisional and then make the final decision like afterwards.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
At the end.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
This happened to me in San Francisco at the SFO
with Sean Jack because I was playing on Elaine King
and I think Madison Walker's card and one other person,
which looking back, now what an amazing card, Like take me,
don't take things for granted, Hannah, like that was such
a great week. Anyways, there was a whole maybe like
a three minute walk from tournament central. There was some
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markings on the course. There was just like banners and
signs like advertisement. I knew that they were not OBI
but I had gone in between those and the ob
So Elaine was like, I think you're out of bounds
and I was like, oh no, I'm not. Actually I
just threw like an errant shot, but I'm not actually Obie.
And She's like, play a provisional because I don't know
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about that, And I was like, fine, Elaine, she was
just looking out for me. But because it wasn't clearly
marked in the tea sign and it wasn't in the
player caddy book anyways, it would have been real helpful
to just be able to get clarification. But instead we
had to wait to the end of the round. I
had to play the hole out and then Sean Jack
and I had to walk all the way down just
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so I could show him and he could be like, yeah,
you're safe, and I was like, cool, you want to
go for a walk all the way back, Sean. So
it would have been real helpful to be able to
do that, and now I can yay yyy okay. Tournament directors,
also known as tds, are required to hold underserved divisions
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with fewer than four players. According to the changes made,
tds are no longer required to provide trophies for amateur
divisions with a single player, and the two weeks prior
cut off for determining trophy amounts at amateur events is waived,
obviously minimizing impacts on tds in the past. If fewer
than four registered, they wouldn't have to hold the division.
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Have you guys ever been the only one in the division?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yes, and actually i've so. First off, let me backtrack.
I agree with the trophy situation. If you're the only person,
I don't think you deserve a trophy and it saves
money for the TD so win win.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Fine.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yeah, the minimizing or deleting the field situation. I have
been contacted by tds before when I would be the
only FA one or FPO player playing in that division
and they would be like, Hey, there's nobody else playing
in your division, so we're gonna have to move you.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Do you want to play like m A two or.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Something like that, And like, oh, well, you can't drop
down to FA two, Like you can't drop down to
because you're rating, And I'm like, what do you mean,
Like I can't just stay by myself, And a lot
of I feel like it happened like once or twice
and they usually just made me move and I wasn't
happy about it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I like this, well, go ahead, it happens a lot.
Tds are allowed to determine the appropriate divisions for players
without PDGA numbers based on knowledge of their previous demonstrated
skill and ability preventing sandbagging. Apparently this is a real
big issue in certain parts of the world. But if
the player registers for open or an age based division,
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they're treated the same as a PDGA member, and if
the player purchases and membership before the start of play,
they can move and compete in any ratings division for
which they qualify, because at that point, if you are standbagging,
you could technically only do it that one time, and
then you'd have to you'd have a membership, so everything
would be recorded. I thought that was pretty interesting. Tds
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are also required to offer corresponding divisions for women. So
if they're hosting m A one, m A two, m
A three, they must offer the corresponding divisions FA one,
f A two FA three for a period of time.
Once the time is up, the spots may be filled
by other divisions. That was something that a lot of
people were putting into practice, and now it's a rule.
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Restrooms are required love that at C tiers and above.
For tournament directors, there is an existing pass through bathroom
fee that you can use as part of your registration fee.
They need to provide appropriate communication if no bathroom will
be in use. This is at like all the tiers
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below or on all the PDGA events. This does not
apply to leagues or flex starts. And I'm not gonna
lie to you. Even if there is a bathroom, it's
not always the greatest. So we're the greatest. We have
a lot of way we don't at least we don't
have like.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Our butt cheeks off like in the woods and like
people can see them, Like at least I appreciate that.
And yeah, I love this because Jackie Morris actually posted this.
She's a female tournament director and also an event host.
She posts about this early in the year and actually
got me really hyped. I remember being like really upset,
especially as like a junior female, like not having a
restroom on the course and my mom having to like
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you know, guard me in the woods as I was
trying to like pee and like that's not cool, especially
as like a kid. What I will say about this
is it's cool there's restrooms, But I feel like the
TDS need to talk to some of the players about
where they should be placed, both at Waco and at Austin.
At Harvey Pennock, some of the bathrooms were in like
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I know, they want to be like far enough away
to where people don't like slam them and it doesn't like,
you know, mess with people like hearing when they're putting
or playing. But they were to a point where it's
like you either had to run backwards like a solid
like you know whatever, and then hopefully meet up with
your card again, but it's like speed of play. And
also they were like in a place where like they
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weren't easy to access and like someone had to hold
their pee for a really long time, and I remember
they were very upset about that. So if TT could
maybe like maybe chat with some people about the best
places for them to be discreet but also in a
good place to go off.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I once you've changed your tampon in the woods, there's
no going back. You can change as a person. You
change well. At collegiate Nationals, actually my last year, Paul
had to run across the field with tampons from my
school's bus because I started my period and I was like,
can you please bring me my tampons? That would be
really great, and he's like yeah, sure, like okay, and
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then brought them to me and then had to go
and tell as Paul Macbeth all of the groups that
were all over the place in the woods because everyone
was practicing, Hey, can you guys not look over here.
My girlfriend is actually using the bathroom over here. Hey,
And then they're like, are you Paul Macbeth? And I
just remember being like, oh my god, oh my god,
this is how I this is how I go out
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and he's like, yes, I am, could you just please?
And I was like, can you look that way? Oh
what are you doing a bit He's like, don't look
over here. I'm like, I go away, I'm gonna die. Okay.
So I players can now call and accept penalties on
themselves without a second confirmation. This comports with spirit of
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the Game. I highlighted this one because last week I
was trying to think of the slogan Spirit of the
Game and I couldn't remember it. And also it's just
really cute. It's just a feel good moment for all
of us.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Well, I know, I know, like Page Piers tried to
call herself on a football a few years back and
she ended up I think stroking or warning everyone else
on her card because they were like, oh do you
remember that. Yes, they were like, oh, we didn't see it, Paige,
and she's like, then you're not watching and you're breaking
the rules morning warning warning or I don't know if
it was like stroke strokes stroke, so.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
That's like good for hitting someone with a draw four
and then she hits you with an like another draw
for and she's like, so dang, that's crazy. Okay, if
you throw and the result of that lie is determined
by a spotter, it is an automatic provisional from here
on out. This is new obviously, That's why I'm reading it.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
They believe this.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Will support the pace of play and ensure that no
one is at a disadvantage by an incorrect call. If
you arrive at your lie and your disc is ruled
in bounds, but you've already thrown from a drop signe
drop zone, abandoned that throw and resume play with no penalties.
And I clarified this today with Robert Leonard. That is cool.
That is cool. Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I'm assessing I'm trying to visualize this in a scenario.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Okay, so you throw whole three at deglow, You throw
down and it's sort of out of sight and it's
a close call and the spatter is like red. Okay,
now you would proceed to a drop zone. Normally at
deglow you wouldn't, but every example has floss, so bear
with me. You would proceed to a drop zone, right,
or you RETI or whatever the ruling is. Right, then
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you get to your disc and your cardmates are like, oh,
you're actually in bounds, But because you never called provisional,
you don't get to have it. But now automatically, if
someone else determines your lie, you get a provisional automatically.
So it's kind of sick because.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I'm gonna say provisional every strap from the drop zone.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Now you don't have to automatic supersonic hip. If there
is compelling evidence that a disc came to rest within
and out of bounds area, the disc is considered to
be out of bounds and does not need to be located.
I want to shell this from the mountaintops. We don't
have to spend ten minutes walking in the grass. You went,
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ob how many minutes of my life have been spent
walking in tall grass searching for people's desk? I hate you.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I don't know if this is like the newest role
because I play DdO with Katrina Allen one year and
she like, I remember we were all going to look
for it, and she's like, we all saw I went
out of bounds. We just need to give me a
place where we thought like I went in like she
I think I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
We're not looking yeah, idlewild with that tall grass. No way,
give me a spot and let's keep going forget it.
They redefined casual area to mean any area designated by
the director, allowing for optional relocating without a penalty. Anybody
of water, which was previously what designated casual. It was
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always like a body of water. Any body of water
that is inbounds is casual, even if it's not recognized
explicitly by the director. Know your rights, and you can
take relief from a casual area without penalty farther from
the target, but no farther than the nearest lie outside
the casual area. So no, you're right. Next time your
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course floods and you have a tournament, it doesn't have
g if it goes in the water, and you're like,
you guess what take really wait.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
The thing about where you said you can take a
relief from a casual area without penalty farther from the target,
but no farther than the nearest lie outside the casual area.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Just like you to understand, you can't all the way
back to the tapad and be like, oh okay, it's
not like the ob thing where you can just like
keep taking it back. It's wherever you're first available you
can take it back, Yes, but where it's first available.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, I think it's like, okay, okay, be reasonable, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
If you intentionally fail to play a hole for competitive reasons,
you will be kicked out of competition and you will
not be my friend. Please don't do that. That is weird.
We don't like that.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Just play the hole, you are what that must have
happened somewhere for them to make this rule.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I just want to be on the rules to me
so I can just hear all of the stories of
like what happened to having these have to be in
the rule book. You can now this is hot tea.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
You can now add an additional hot stamp to a
disc after production as long as it adheres to the
direct specifications of that mold. But painting or intentionally altering
the flight characteristics is illegal. So if you're out here
and you're like, I'm just standing my disc, that's fine.
But if you're out here like changing the flight plate
and doing crazy things, that's a legal stop doing that.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
So the hot stamp. I was heated about this before
we started recording.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I forgot.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
I was about to be like, why who cares about.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
A hot stamp?
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Like a hot stamp is a hot stamp, Like people
have put hot stamps on.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Their discs before. What's the big deal?
Speaker 4 (38:54):
All the time I was told then that it was
like banned, it was like not allowed for some time.
I totally missed that memo because I didn't know. So
now I guess it's allowed again. This is importantill bost
my mind.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
It was pretty pretty significant because a lot of distributors
that don't manufacture their own discs were stamping their discs,
and so it was like this really weird gray area
of like, wow, wait, but that's why we do all
of our own hot stamping. And then the PDGA was like,
excuse me, get embraced.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
Illegal, call the police, jail.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
This one's important. Players are required to check in with
the td at all A and B tier events. However,
tds cannot require pre tournament check in on any day prior,
but may offer it as a convenience if you don't
check in by the specified time, So for most people
it's five or ten minutes before your tea time. You
forfeit your place, unless you're at a major or Elite
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Series event, in which case you receive two penalty strokes.
Tobacco is banned at A tiers and PDJA events of
any tier that solely offered junior divisions. No longer is
tobacco banned at b tears, seed tears, or blow unless
they're junior only. Eddies may only caddy for a player
at a time and must be at least thirteen years
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of age. This will never not be awkward. I'm sorry.
I'm just gonna say it. This is just I was
talking to kristin Tatar. We talk a lots, we're friends,
and she goes, we just celebrated Isabelle's twelfth birthday, only
one more year until she could be my legal caddie,
and I like laid down on the floor and cried.
I was like, Chrystal, please I have trauma stock or.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
She does too. I mean, she hasn't been back to
the state since.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I love her Blowthing that becomes stained or damaged during
a round is acceptable for the remainder of that round.
And I just want to know who the Karen was
that got on someone's case and was like you sure's.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
I'm sorry. I was just in the bushes, like what
do you mean?
Speaker 1 (40:58):
And I also just want to know who the first
person is going to be to show up in like
gene shorts, like jeorts and be like, oh they were
they were full pants until I went through those thorns.
I would die. My sleeves came off in the thorns,
guys when I oh, wait, yes, okay. When the flight
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position or status of a disc is questionable, the determination
is made by the group. When a group cannot reach
a majority decision, the ruling is based on the interpretation
that is most beneficial to the thrower. However, benefit of
the doubt is not in this freaking rule book. A
ruling is made based on what is beneficial to the
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thrower only if the group cannot determine a call based
on what information they have. The group members should not
pay attention base their decisions off what is best for
the thrower. Have you ever done this? Are you toxic?
Or have you been a victim? Because I hate when
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I'm on the card and someone goes.
Speaker 9 (42:03):
Well, you can see it, so like it should probably
just go to HR like the benefit to the throw
benefit to the thrower, And I'm like, you can't make
your decision based off of that, And I don't want
to say that because that's mean and I don't care
about this that much, I've.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Had to be like, I'm sorry you were. Like someone
was like, oh, I think I went I went out
of bounds, like way up there, and I'm just like no, no,
Like I honestly I actually said something this year and I.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Was literally like, if we use logic, your disc.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Went out back here, and I'm like, if you remember
the flight of your disc, it went this way. Like
I literally had to be like.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
Gag, like stop trying to like push.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Your niceness on me, Like, girl, you go back there.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I think it's so important to go over because so
many people just cop out by saying benefit to the
player and they don't actually take the information like a
jury and have an opinion, just take into consideration what
would benefit the player and they make their decision based
off that. But also all the time.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
I'm pretty sure I texted ConA and Colton this moment
when I was so mad that so I was like
walking around with Bart.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
I know this isn't an Feil related, but it's the
same rule related.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
What Bart's disc was like questionably inbounds. Okay, is a
Braham Brick. I'm pretty sure I like snapchatted you guys this.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
I think I remember this.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
And I think that.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
It was inbounds if not questionable, Okay, it's like one
of those fat white obie lines like spray painted.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
And then like if the grass is touching questionable right.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
It was like the two players were saying no, out
of bounds. Bart of course is like, I think it's inbounds,
this piece of grass, right, obviously advocating himself.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
The third guy was like, I don't really know.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
I'm not sure, I don't know, I don't know, so
I'm gonna say no, just don't forget that.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
If you don't know, in that.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Situation, you can you can at that point use benefit
to the player, right, like I know we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
But like yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
It was like he was weird pressure because the other
guys were like, oh, well, I think that's how it bounds,
and Bart was like, well, I don't really know. And
then the third guy's like, okay, yeah, I'm just gonna
say it's out, like excuse you.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
If you said benefit to the player, then he would
have just had it.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
So anyways, you can use it talk sometimes gross, Yeah,
don't get me gross.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
If an obstacle physically prevents you from marking your lie,
you can mark your lie immediately behind the obstacle. So
stop throwing from on top of picnic tables. And if
I see on top of picnic tables, I'm gonna kick
you in your shins. And I seem really fast a
few times already. Stop. I watched someone tea from on
top of a building in a European event, and that
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girl beat me by one stroke, and I was so
mad because her disc went like in the little art.
We were playing through a park and there was like
an art thing and it was like a little concrete,
mazed looking building and she threw from on top of it,
and I was so mad. I was like, this isn't
correct because the rule of verticality. Okay, I just died,
because the rule of verticality is not a thing. It's
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not a rule, just like benefit of the doubt. It's
not in there. So stop throwing from on top of
cars and on top of buildings and on top of
picnic tables. If the TD hasn't marked those as hazard,
then you you got a bigger problem on your hands.
Take relief from behind it and proceed. Stop climbing on
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top of the tables. It's so annoying. You don't look cool,
you look dumb, you look silly, And as far as
bridges are concerned, I don't know, that's between you and
your community. I can't good luck. I'm really sorry. Uh okay,
So this would come into play if an obstacle physically
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prevents you from marking your live this this is like
at what's that hole with a huge rock at Green Mountain?
There's a couple of them. Yeah, there's like the one
in the woods, and then there's the one at Fox.
It comes into play a couple times. I think it
happened at World's last year with Isaac Robinson, where he
like physically could not safely mark and I talked to
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Robert Leonard about this. He wanted me to be very
clear that this does not have anything to do with preference.
This is like, oh, I physically cannot mark my lie,
so I have to take relief. This isn't like, well,
I can't really like put like what do you want
me to do? Like put my foot like on the hill? Like, oh,
I can't really do it. It's like no, if you
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are capable of physically going to that place, then you
have to do it. You threw it there, Okay, I
got all flustered on that one. Uh well, okay, this
one was good. This is the last one. If a
disc comes to rest in a hazard area, there is
a one throw penalty and no relief is given. If
you have to take relief from an obstacle and mark
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a lie in a hazard area. If there's water next
to the hazard and you land in the water, you
can take relief from that. You would take it in hazard,
but there would be no penalty. And that was our
rules update. So I hope you guys enjoyed that. I
actually road through this. It took so long to read
through all of them and like make little notes, but
at the end, I was like, I'm a.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Better person, I'm a better disc golfer.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Spring has sprung and we all have tournaments coming up,
and now you know your rules, so good luck to you.
This week we're covering the Music City Open. It's going
to be on the Disc Golf Network as usual. I
don't know really anything about it other than it's going
to rain a lot.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
But it's match play happening on Thursday and there's some
fun matrips, so that'll be on n and it'll be
fun to want, all.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Right, y'all. Well, thanks for parting with us, guys. Thanks
for those of you who submitted questions. Good luck to
everyone at Collegiate Nationals. Good luck to everyone in Nashville.
If you come upon water, now you know what to do.
You know as that water is casual and you could
take relief with no penalty. All right, Love you guys,
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Thank you bye, send me bye. Thank you for listening
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Welcome to the Party Podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
A celebration of professional women's disc golf with plenty of
hot takes, fun stories, and fan questions.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
I'm Hannah macbeth, I'm Christine Jennings, I'm ConA Montgomery, and
we are the Party Podcast. Hello everyone, Welcome back to
the podcast. Here we go. I don't know how to
start these anymore because it's like we're hanging out and
then I'm like, oh, hey, let's press record, and it
just feels very unauthentic. So how's everyone doing? Hi?
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Doing well? It's a beautiful day in California.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Oh are you still there?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I am still there. I get my gall bladder test tomorrow.
I'm just so excited.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So are you not playing Music City Open?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Then? I am playing Music City Open. I fly in
early on Thursday, play a practice round, a very focused
practice round, take notes, and then I'm sending it. But
I've been practicing a lot here. Did you sign up
for a practice round already with Colton? Yes?
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Okay, good because they're doing Thursday.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Oh, it doesn't even matter because it's gonna just be
rain all week, so you're gonna have way so slow
and so there's gonna be a lot of scrambling.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I just need to walk it. I've played it a
million times. I know there's like tighter opies, but honestly,
I think it'll force me to play better golf.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Ooh yeah I feel that. Did you say no, Christine?
Did you say no?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I said yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
I was like yeah, oh, I thought you said nope.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
I was like dig I'm like Christine, She's like, you
suck code good.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Nope, that won't work for you, my pet.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
We're having isolated thunderstorms today and trying to put my
child down to sleep during that was pretty fun.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
First experience, Yeah, first experience at like for bedtime with
him as like a toddler, so he's kind of like, hey,
what's that noise? And also can I just like not
sleep right now? And also can I go outside? Like
what's going on? The sun's out?
Speaker 4 (01:59):
I went to my basement the other day because of
the tornado warning, like all that weather was like coming
east and it hit Ohio. It's the same one. Well,
I guess every all the players were like warned by
Seth Munsey like.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Hey, this storm's coming, be careful when you're on the road.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
But yeah, there was a tornado that touchdown, like there
have a tornado that touchdown.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Like thirty minutes south of me.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And then like there was a couple other you know,
I watched Ryan Hall y'all because we're all discoed, so and.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, Ryan, I couldn't remember.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
If you ever need a tornado in sight, watch Ryan.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Hall y'all on YouTube because he's on it and he'll
probably tell you about a tornado warning before your like
public service announcement. So anyways, I was fine. I just
went in there because I was a little scared. It
was like NonStop lightning for like thirty minutes. Yeah, like
it was so windy that I thought a tornado was
coming at me. Like I was concerned, and so I
turned Ryan Hall y'all on and there wasn't a tornado,
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but he was, you know, I was watching it and
making sure. And then eventually the warning came, so in
them and it's supposed excuse me, it's supposed to happen
again tomorrow and it's gonna affect Nashville for music city.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
So maybe that's a good segue into music city.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I don't like that.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
I fly out.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Oh if it's really bad, they'll delay it. Great, then
I won't be able to see the course I was
watching When we were driving from a tournament up to Michigan.
I think it was to fly out, to leave the
RV and to like fly out to Europe or something crazy.
And we were in like the bottom left of Michigan,
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and all of a sudden, sky just looked horrible and
I was like, sitting in the passenger seat and it's me,
Paul and Pablo, and I started I launched it on
my phone and turns out we were in the same
area that he was covering, and I was like, Paul,
we need to pull over. It's the worst feeling that
is for me. The worst experience of being on tour
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is being in severe weather and you're not from there
and you don't know where to go, and your home
is on wheels, and the first thing they say is like, hey,
make sure you're not in a home on wheels, and
you're like, okay, well.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
You always go to the hospital. Oh that's smart.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Always go to a hospital. Jennifer Smiley in Alabama this year,
like she didn't have anywhere to stay and so we
had a twenty ad a warning. She went to hospital
and they kept her there until it was safe.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Wow, that's kind of nice. Mm hmmm, huh, that's cool.
Tip All right, Well, we did have some disc golf
Christ and Lott when the Jonesboro Open it was a
Friday and Saturday tournament and then I believe it was
a twenty six hole layout. Twenty seventh blade was a
what twenty seven twenty seven whole layout?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
But also what an interesting thing?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Like I saw her post on Sunday like, oh, I
won yesterday, and I'm like yesterday, Like.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
What how was all this? Comba? I was so confuse,
what day is it?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It was her one hundredth wind. She shot at ten
thirty four and ten twenty seven rated round respectively. I
think she just really likes it there. But I also
think it's because it's the beginning of the year and
people are like, oh, I'm just gonna play, because I
think if it's August, she's not playing this event. Well,
animal long.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Track Jonesboro specifically is like kind of on the way
to Music City, and it's a very familiar course. It's
not like the players have to go and learn this
new course like it's Jonesboro.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
I guess there's some new other holes.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, you're right, You're right. Hmmm.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Either way, why wasn't that on the course on tour
this year?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Uh, we were taking a break from it because they're
like fixing some of their infrastructure.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I think cool.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Yeah, you know, yeah, that sounds right, like not great
and stuff with that course, yes, yeah, something with that.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh and then that neighborhood or one of the places
that they park all the players, I believe was like
under construction or they were like making it bigger or
something like. Yeah, I think you're right, that sounds right
to me. I did read that like a lot of
the tournament stops that aren't on tour this year, they
use that phrase like taking a break, and it was
because for that reason, like they're kind of fixing stuff
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about it, So it wasn't like ooh drama, like just boring. Owenskoggins,
and Val were competing in Texas States in Houston. That's
another one that people would normally go to. After the
two Texas tournaments, they were both tied it and minus
four heading into the final day, but Val ended up
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taking it down. She shot a nine ninety four rated
final round and one by two.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
That's crazy. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Vallas had like kind of a slow start to her season.
I think she took two twentieth places and then eleventh
or like somewhere near the top ten. It's I just
feel like Texas, outside of her winning Waco that one year,
she just there's it's kind of like the hometown curse.
But for the state. I don't know, you guys ever
feel like that happens to people. No completely.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I feel like maybe it's like expectations, like, oh, I
play here all the time, or I've been on these tracks.
I remember during the off season she played Sprinkle Valley
a decent amount, and yeah, you know, she played well
obviously during the event to get on lead coverage the
final days. But it's just like I feel like, maybe
you put this expectation on yourself. But also I was
surprised because she was my winning horse for Austin.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Just like, her game's been looking really good, her putts
looking like more confident than ever, and then obviously we
saw her kind of struggle that final round, but she
was my she was my winner.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, I'd like to know kind of what's going on,
because you're right, she has everything, she just has to
put it together. But sometimes it's just getting back into
the swing of things, and there's a lot we said
it last week about Kristen, like there's like a lot
of stuff that can go wrong though we don't really
know about. So Paige Pierce went to New Orleans for
Louisiana's second.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Eight second eightier ever.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Okay, I was like, wait, why did I write that?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Total? Wow? Go ahead, sorry, no, yeah, just the second
eightier ever. Colton said he was the one who gave
me that pro pro tip, and I thought that was
just really interesting considering, like you know, Medio plays in
like those areas a lot, and I just honestly was
surprised to hear that that was their only second eightier.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, there was only three women that competed. I remember
going through there several years ago for a mcbee's Challenge,
and their courses are amazing.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
They're slipped on.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I can see. That's the thing. Remember we had that
episode where we talked about like if the TDS could
come in like the Avengers to some of these tricks
and just be like, hey, guys, this is how we're
going to run our event. I'm gonna bring my team,
We're gonna use these courses. There's so many good courses
in the United States that we don't even go to
touch ever. So it's kind of nice to have everybody
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spread out for that reason because I feel like it
brings bringing pros to that area, brings a lot of feedback,
and then it brings attention to areas that we don't
really see. So it's kind of nice to have the
week off and people could do whatever they wanted.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I feel like it's like a comence booster for like
players like Page Peers, who like hasn't been like winning
a ton, and like, you know, she could get another
win under her bell and like obviously she's a champ,
you know whatever, five time champ for everything, but it's
cool to see her kind of take a win after
a while, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah. Well, one thing that's coming up is the Collegiate
Nationals is this week, and I'm so excited. I love
college disc golf. I don't know anything about what's going
on this year because you don't really have to. It's
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sort of like any kind of school event. You just
cheer for the school that you love, and then you
kind of figure out personalities as the week unfolds. The
Liberty Women's Disc Golf team won nationals last year in
their division, and so one of my really good friends
was up there and she got a few fan questions
for our show. So, you guys, I'm going to play
(09:58):
those really good questions. So let's roll those. Hi, I'm
from Liberty University. And what is the most valuable.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Lesson you've learned from a loss and how did it
apply to your game moving forward?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, so that's a casual question.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
First of all, thank you, Bree, good luck this week.
Does anyone want to go first?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
Because I don't, Christine, So I can't think of like
one specific loss that's like, oh, man, like I learned
so much from that.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I think it's like a culmination.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Of losses throughout your career.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
I played a lot more A ties and B tiers
over like pro tour events, so I feel like I
was in contention a lot more for like the podium,
and so I have had a lot of playoffs that
I was in, and so then when you have a playoff,
obviously it's nerve wracking because you're basically having to play
again and it's for the win, like every shot matters,
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and I've lost. I probably was like fifty to fifty
on them, so I've lost like a good handful of them.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Time that happens, Like you always.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Go back and think even after a bad round, it
doesn't even have to be a loss. It's like after
a bad round you go back and you try to
like think of like what did I do wrong?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
What went wrong?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
And like you always want to try to pinpoint it,
but it's never really that simple. You can't just be like, oh,
if I would have just gotten made that pot, or
if I would have just hit that line.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Like, it's never that simple.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
So I think it's taking that and changing your perspective
to when you go play future events, just try to
be in the moment and make every shot count and
do the best you can on that specific shot, and
then like don't dwell on it after you know, whatever
happens happens.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, I mean taking you what you just said and
completely for me, it's like complete opposite. It's like taking
a loss. Like I think I've been playing so long
and I've played with so many amazing women who just
like win all the time for so long that it's
hard to like not get down on yourself and not
be like I'm never gonna win. I'm never gonna play
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place well and like take that loss and being like
what did I do right? Like what were the things
that I just kicked butt at and I was just
really successful with? Because it's like if I focus on
every little thing that I do wrong every single week, Yes,
I sit down and I'm you know, going through my
head of like things I need to work on. Sure,
(12:18):
like I need more reps with my Leopard three. I
was turning it over or whatever. But it's like sitting
back and being like, you know what, you threw that
emperor so well that past weekend, Like Okay, keep keep
dialing that in, keep leaning on that, or oh, your
fifteen foot puts were so great. Now, like let's really
focus on those twenty footers and like let's see if
(12:38):
we can get the stats up a little bit more.
So it's like for me, it has to come from
more of a positive place or I will lose my mind.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
I love that the thing I think of isn't like
one big thing. It's more of a culmination of just
like a bunch of mistakes that came from one place.
So for me, it was having low self esteem on
the core manifested itself as like going too fast, not
speaking up and giving my true opinion, and then letting
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myself be swayed by other people's approaches to holes. So
I guess over time and experience, I realized that that
was what I was doing and addressing that, and just
the way that I overcame that was like practice and
just experience for me because I didn't spend that much
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time playing. I went from like super casual college and
then on tour, and those were the big events that
I was playing with women who were super comfortable, they
knew their game, they had like their bag backwards and forwards,
and I didn't have that experience. So yeah, that's a
really good question. Though. All right, we have another one.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
This is not a line joiner from North Carolina. My
question would be, all right, as college athlete myself, how
do you transfer for mostly US playing teams, how do
you transfer being an individual with all stakes on your
each individual throw.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
That's a really good question too, So basically she's asking
how do you transition from team sports to solo sport
like disc golf where all the pressure is on you
for every shot?
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, I mean I went from high school like softball
and like track, where you know, everyone relied on you.
If the ball's coming towards you, you better catch it
and you better get it to first base, or you're
ruining everybody else's chance at winning. I think that's what
I love so much about disc golf, though, is that,
like I didn't have to think, oh gosh, like if
I mess up, everybody on the teams can hate me.
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It's like I'm my individual, It's all on me. I
can see that, Like it could be like a lot
of pressure in the sense of like now it's just
you who you're like setting standards for. But transitioning from that,
I guess it's just like like you kind of said
about the other question, it's practice, it's reps. And I
also think it's like constant affirmation, like yeah, you deserve
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to be here, Like you deserve to be here, you
put the work in. Now just let yourself get into
the flow state.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Personally, m yeah, I agree with what ConA said. She
kind of mentioned like not letting, not wanting to let
your team down. But there's also the other factor of
I'm super competitive. I played volleyball and I rent track,
but more on volleyball. You get frustrated when your team
doesn't do well, and it might not always have been
your fault.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
It might have been somebody else's fault. And of course
as a team, you're not going.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
To put the blame on like one individual. But from
a competitive standpoint, also going back on the practicing and
reps and all that stuff, it's like, I fully have
control over all of the reps and all the practice
that I do. Of course, when you're with the team,
you're going to practice as a team and try to
be like cohesive, but I just like having my own
responsibility basically of you know, I'm going to put in
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the work and I'm want to see the results kind
of thing.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
I think the most important thing I want to say
to people listening is that you're not going to be
good at it, because it's really hard to be good
at letting it go and all the things that ConA
just said, I was, yeah, I completely agree, Like in
terms of forgiving yourself and like being kind to yourself,
it's so hard. It's hard when you're not on the
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disc golf course and you're just an adult, Like it's
really hard. I think just giving yourself grace in areas
where you're weak and recognizing that they're weak, but then
being responsible for them. If you really want to grow,
if you really want to get better, you have to
be like Christine said, you have to be responsible for
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your weaknesses and you have to be on yourself. And
so for me, I transitioned from soccer and I'm a
huge extrovert. I love team sports. I love everything about it.
And then college disc golf was really where I like
truly fell in love with the sport as a community
because I made so many good lifelong friends. For those
(16:53):
of you that don't know, that's where I'm at, Hunter
Thomas and like that's how Hunter and Hunter and Palm met.
It's it's very cool, how like we're all connected. But
then when you go out on tour or when you
go out and you're competing in a tournament, it's just you.
So yeah, it is hard, and I think recognizing and
recognizing your weaknesses and just remembering like you know, you're
not gonna be good at it all the time, You're
(17:15):
not gonna have like short term memory, and you know, oh,
I just gotta let this go, Like you're not gonna
be good at it all the time. Like a Christen Star,
she just broke down in tears over a hole and
she's like the number one. She's literally rated a thousand rate.
You know, that's how I transitioned. I just kind of
recognized my weaknesses and just tried my best to just
(17:37):
be gentle with myself. And that's what everyone's doing all
the time, and it you know, you still have to
make your community. I love Kona, I love hanging out
with you like so much, But when we're on the course,
we're not really chatty, you know, because we're.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
A person on the disc golf course.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
But we're comfortable around each other because I feel I
can be honest with you and I can be my
authentic self. So finding friends like that that you can
be authentic with and that just no yep, and finding
community like that is super good. Last question, this is fun.
(18:15):
I missed this segment.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
I know.
Speaker 7 (18:19):
My name is Maya Wringled and I am from Richmond, Virginia,
but I play disc golfer Emporia Estate. And my question is,
in this world of social media, how do you deal
with the commentary from strangers or people you know in
terms of getting comments about man, explaining and just feedback
(18:41):
in general. Trying to compare women to men in the
comment section.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
It wouldn't be a podcast that my dog showing up honestly, Harrison, Okay,
you guys can answer that. I'm gonna go get Harrison
because I don't know if you can hear him. He's
barking a lot.
Speaker 4 (18:55):
So when I used to get comments like that on
my video, it kind of depended on the mood that
I was in, but also just keeping in mind like
the persona that I want to have online and like
how do I want to present myself online?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So there are.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Times when I might want to be sassy, but like,
I can't be sassy all the time because then you
just look like a not I was about to say
the B word, but you don't want to seem like
a B word, you know, Like, so.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
You kind of have to just be careful with that.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
But I had some sassy remarks, but then also it's
kind of like always reminding them like, hey, I'm working
on this, so like thanks for your input.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
And just kind of leaving it there.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
The thing with internet trolls is the more you argue
with them, you're like adding fuel to the fire.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
So when you give them that energy, they're going to
give it right back.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
So like basically just trying to shut them down in
a polite way is typically the way that I would
go about them.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, for me, I've got to the point where, ever
since I had like my surgery and everything, like I
have just been confrontational ConA. I've also been blocky Kona, Like,
if you say anything disrespectful on my page, you're getting blocked,
Like there's no three strikes, You're gone. It's like, if
you're coming on my page being disrespectful to me, this
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is my page. I have the ability to remove anyone.
So I've been blocking a lot of people. But also
like if someone's just trying to be helpful and it's
just coming out wrong, Like a lot of people just
think they're being helpful. But at the end of the day,
it's like I've been doing this for my life for
like almost what six or seven eight years, Like I
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think I know what I need to do. And also
I'm sorry, like I'm friends with like Hannah's husband or
Calvin Heinberg, Like I'm sure i could ask someone with
way more ability who can actually help me, rather than
some Joshmo on the internet. So my thing is the
leading people who mess with your mental health, but also
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don't take it personally because usually people who are internet
were are just sad people.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Also, hi Maya, Hi Maya, good luck go Horning.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Do you guys know her?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I know you probably do.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
If I wouldn't recognize her, you might. She's a sweetheart.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Okay, and Pooria State now sponsored by innov A discs.
Speaker 8 (21:20):
Let people go go Eric, Yeah, feedback, Uh, I heard
I read about this. Actually I read about this in
a book this morning as part of my like waking
up routine.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
I like to like get into the book. Sometimes it's
the Bible, but hey, it was this book about uh,
recovering the Lost art of discernment because this world is crazy.
Oh uh, I read about this, And you really just
have to have two feet on the ground, and as
Christina and I love to say, you have to touch grass.
If you're not ready, don't go online like some people
(21:54):
post in ghost for reasons, and I don't think there's
a way to control that. If you need to control that,
then you shouldn't be on social media. If you have
to be on social media, schedule posts and just don't interact.
There's gonna be some topics that I talk about in
my social media that I'm like, hey, it's me and
the family. We're hanging out, and there's some that I'll
(22:16):
just be like, we're going and traveling and it's not
going well, and I'm and I'm thinking, like, I can't
post this because people are gonna say, like, well, at
least you know you're not in a desk job, and
at least this and that at least, and people will
throw stones at all sorts of things, and so you
get to your side. Yeah, you get to decide what
you're sharing. And so how would you deal with constant
(22:39):
feedback as an up and comer. I think you're gonna
have to maybe do a trial by fire here and there.
Happens to all of us. And I think it's just
really surrounding yourself with community and remembering to just get
off the dang phone and go be an actual real community.
Touch some grass, Touch some grass.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
This book I was reading was super cool. It was
talking about like when you are in a community, like
a virtual community, you're able to just continue to portray
this version of yourself that is in your complete control.
And even when we're being authentic and saying, oh, I'm
having such a bad day or oh I'm really struggling
with this. We're still doing it for people that are
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going to accept us, and being aware of that is
so important because in a real community, you cannot hide
your human your humanity. You just can't, and so you
have to have real community. It's so important. Yeah, but
these are good questions, and Collegiate Nationals is this week
(23:42):
PDGA dot com to follow along and keep up. They
have so many awesome things happening this week and you
can be a part of it as a virtual fan.
Thank you guys so much for partying with us and
for these questions. That was super fun. And good luck
this week. Good luck all right. Basically what happened is
the PDGA updated a bunch of their rules. So I
(24:05):
want to go over there these with you guys, and
I did ask a couple questions. I think there are
some that I may omit or just like go through
pretty quickly, but for the audience sake, I want to
go over these because I feel like these are gonna
be relevant to you.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Okay, So.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I thought this was funny. The PDGA expanded to recognize
that shotgun events and flex starts exist, so good for you,
Flex starts are where players choose their own starting time,
their own group, or both. So good job recognizing that
they exist. They have for a long time, but now
there's rules about it, so if you are a flex
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Star event, you feel seen. Instead of completely banning video
evidence and media when it comes to making rules for
sanctioned play, now photo and video evidence may be used
by the TV or official to clarify the meaning of
course markings. For example, is a marking on the course
relevant to competition and make rulings related to player misconduct,
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and the evidence may be provided by anyone present who
witnesses the misconduct crazy. An example of this would be
if US three are on a card and Nate Heinel's
the TD, I can text him and ask him and
send him a picture and say like are these markings
ob or not? And he can respond. Whereas previously that
was frowned upon because it would have been considered like
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using digital media to make a ruling. Evidence of player
misconduct may also be evaluated at any time by the
PDGA Disciplinary Committee. Have you ever needed to reach out
to a TD or have you ever had to communicate digitally?
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Like?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Has this? Did any of this ever happen to you, guys.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
The only thing that I can think of is like
an ob ruling where it's like someone's disc looked like
it was like maybe in between, and they're like, oh, well,
let's take a picture and send it to the TD
and we're like, hmm, you can't do that, like we
need to you know, just kind of guess and you know,
come to an agreement. Usually it's like ended up as
like a benefit to the player kind of situation. But
like there's been a few where it's been like, oh,
(26:04):
we have this photo and they're like, I don't show me.
It's not a lie.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
So she's holding her fingers over her eyes.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
I was.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
I was thinking of when Hannah mentioned like texting heinold
and being like, hey, here's this picture.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
What do you think.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
I feel like that's cool to be able to do.
But I would hope that the TV's being like as
responsive to everyone as they are to that one person.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
So that's like one discerning thing to me.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
What it was just an example, guys, But otherwise, yeah,
I agree with Conna most of the time.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Players.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Just if there was ever a question with like even
the OBI situation that Conna mentioned, you can just play
a provisional and then make the final decision like afterwards.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
At the end.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
This happened to me in San Francisco at the SFO
with Sean Jack because I was playing on Elaine King
and I think Madison Walker's card and one other person,
which looking back, now what an amazing card, Like take me,
don't take things for granted, Hannah, like that was such
a great week. Anyways, there was a whole maybe like
a three minute walk from tournament central. There was some
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markings on the course. There was just like banners and
signs like advertisement. I knew that they were not OBI
but I had gone in between those and the ob
So Elaine was like, I think you're out of bounds
and I was like, oh no, I'm not. Actually I
just threw like an errant shot, but I'm not actually Obie.
And She's like, play a provisional because I don't know
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about that, And I was like, fine, Elaine, she was
just looking out for me. But because it wasn't clearly
marked in the tea sign and it wasn't in the
player caddy book anyways, it would have been real helpful
to just be able to get clarification. But instead we
had to wait to the end of the round. I
had to play the hole out and then Sean Jack
and I had to walk all the way down just
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so I could show him and he could be like, yeah,
you're safe, and I was like, cool, you want to
go for a walk all the way back, Sean. So
it would have been real helpful to be able to
do that, and now I can yay yyy okay. Tournament directors,
also known as tds, are required to hold underserved divisions
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with fewer than four players. According to the changes made,
tds are no longer required to provide trophies for amateur
divisions with a single player, and the two weeks prior
cut off for determining trophy amounts at amateur events is waived,
obviously minimizing impacts on tds in the past. If fewer
than four registered, they wouldn't have to hold the division.
(28:38):
Have you guys ever been the only one in the division?
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yes, and actually i've so. First off, let me backtrack.
I agree with the trophy situation. If you're the only person,
I don't think you deserve a trophy and it saves
money for the TD so win win.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Fine.
Speaker 4 (28:53):
Yeah, the minimizing or deleting the field situation. I have
been contacted by tds before when I would be the
only FA one or FPO player playing in that division
and they would be like, Hey, there's nobody else playing
in your division, so we're gonna have to move you.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Do you want to play like m A two or.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
Something like that, And like, oh, well, you can't drop
down to FA two, Like you can't drop down to
because you're rating, And I'm like, what do you mean,
Like I can't just stay by myself, And a lot
of I feel like it happened like once or twice
and they usually just made me move and I wasn't
happy about it.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
I like this, well, go ahead, it happens a lot.
Tds are allowed to determine the appropriate divisions for players
without PDGA numbers based on knowledge of their previous demonstrated
skill and ability preventing sandbagging. Apparently this is a real
big issue in certain parts of the world. But if
the player registers for open or an age based division,
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they're treated the same as a PDGA member, and if
the player purchases and membership before the start of play,
they can move and compete in any ratings division for
which they qualify, because at that point, if you are standbagging,
you could technically only do it that one time, and
then you'd have to you'd have a membership, so everything
would be recorded. I thought that was pretty interesting. Tds
(30:12):
are also required to offer corresponding divisions for women. So
if they're hosting m A one, m A two, m
A three, they must offer the corresponding divisions FA one,
f A two FA three for a period of time.
Once the time is up, the spots may be filled
by other divisions. That was something that a lot of
people were putting into practice, and now it's a rule.
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Restrooms are required love that at C tiers and above.
For tournament directors, there is an existing pass through bathroom
fee that you can use as part of your registration fee.
They need to provide appropriate communication if no bathroom will
be in use. This is at like all the tiers
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below or on all the PDGA events. This does not
apply to leagues or flex starts. And I'm not gonna
lie to you. Even if there is a bathroom, it's
not always the greatest. So we're the greatest. We have
a lot of way we don't at least we don't
have like.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Our butt cheeks off like in the woods and like
people can see them, Like at least I appreciate that.
And yeah, I love this because Jackie Morris actually posted this.
She's a female tournament director and also an event host.
She posts about this early in the year and actually
got me really hyped. I remember being like really upset,
especially as like a junior female, like not having a
restroom on the course and my mom having to like
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you know, guard me in the woods as I was
trying to like pee and like that's not cool, especially
as like a kid. What I will say about this
is it's cool there's restrooms, But I feel like the
TDS need to talk to some of the players about
where they should be placed, both at Waco and at Austin.
At Harvey Pennock, some of the bathrooms were in like
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I know, they want to be like far enough away
to where people don't like slam them and it doesn't like,
you know, mess with people like hearing when they're putting
or playing. But they were to a point where it's
like you either had to run backwards like a solid
like you know whatever, and then hopefully meet up with
your card again, but it's like speed of play. And
also they were like in a place where like they
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weren't easy to access and like someone had to hold
their pee for a really long time, and I remember
they were very upset about that. So if TT could
maybe like maybe chat with some people about the best
places for them to be discreet but also in a
good place to go off.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I once you've changed your tampon in the woods, there's
no going back. You can change as a person. You
change well. At collegiate Nationals, actually my last year, Paul
had to run across the field with tampons from my
school's bus because I started my period and I was like,
can you please bring me my tampons? That would be
really great, and he's like yeah, sure, like okay, and
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then brought them to me and then had to go
and tell as Paul Macbeth all of the groups that
were all over the place in the woods because everyone
was practicing, Hey, can you guys not look over here.
My girlfriend is actually using the bathroom over here. Hey,
And then they're like, are you Paul Macbeth? And I
just remember being like, oh my god, oh my god,
this is how I this is how I go out
(33:13):
and he's like, yes, I am, could you just please?
And I was like, can you look that way? Oh
what are you doing a bit He's like, don't look
over here. I'm like, I go away, I'm gonna die. Okay.
So I players can now call and accept penalties on
themselves without a second confirmation. This comports with spirit of
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the Game. I highlighted this one because last week I
was trying to think of the slogan Spirit of the
Game and I couldn't remember it. And also it's just
really cute. It's just a feel good moment for all
of us.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Well, I know, I know, like Page Piers tried to
call herself on a football a few years back and
she ended up I think stroking or warning everyone else
on her card because they were like, oh do you
remember that. Yes, they were like, oh, we didn't see it, Paige,
and she's like, then you're not watching and you're breaking
the rules morning warning warning or I don't know if
it was like stroke strokes stroke, so.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
That's like good for hitting someone with a draw four
and then she hits you with an like another draw
for and she's like, so dang, that's crazy. Okay, if
you throw and the result of that lie is determined
by a spotter, it is an automatic provisional from here
on out. This is new obviously, That's why I'm reading it.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
They believe this.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Will support the pace of play and ensure that no
one is at a disadvantage by an incorrect call. If
you arrive at your lie and your disc is ruled
in bounds, but you've already thrown from a drop signe
drop zone, abandoned that throw and resume play with no penalties.
And I clarified this today with Robert Leonard. That is cool.
That is cool. Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I'm assessing I'm trying to visualize this in a scenario.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
Okay, so you throw whole three at deglow, You throw
down and it's sort of out of sight and it's
a close call and the spatter is like red. Okay,
now you would proceed to a drop zone. Normally at
deglow you wouldn't, but every example has floss, so bear
with me. You would proceed to a drop zone, right,
or you RETI or whatever the ruling is. Right, then
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you get to your disc and your cardmates are like, oh,
you're actually in bounds, But because you never called provisional,
you don't get to have it. But now automatically, if
someone else determines your lie, you get a provisional automatically.
So it's kind of sick because.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I'm gonna say provisional every strap from the drop zone.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Now you don't have to automatic supersonic hip. If there
is compelling evidence that a disc came to rest within
and out of bounds area, the disc is considered to
be out of bounds and does not need to be located.
I want to shell this from the mountaintops. We don't
have to spend ten minutes walking in the grass. You went,
(36:05):
ob how many minutes of my life have been spent
walking in tall grass searching for people's desk? I hate you.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I don't know if this is like the newest role
because I play DdO with Katrina Allen one year and
she like, I remember we were all going to look
for it, and she's like, we all saw I went
out of bounds. We just need to give me a
place where we thought like I went in like she
I think I don't.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
We're not looking yeah, idlewild with that tall grass. No way,
give me a spot and let's keep going forget it.
They redefined casual area to mean any area designated by
the director, allowing for optional relocating without a penalty. Anybody
of water, which was previously what designated casual. It was
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always like a body of water. Any body of water
that is inbounds is casual, even if it's not recognized
explicitly by the director. Know your rights, and you can
take relief from a casual area without penalty farther from
the target, but no farther than the nearest lie outside
the casual area. So no, you're right. Next time your
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course floods and you have a tournament, it doesn't have
g if it goes in the water, and you're like,
you guess what take really wait.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
The thing about where you said you can take a
relief from a casual area without penalty farther from the target,
but no farther than the nearest lie outside the casual area.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Just like you to understand, you can't all the way
back to the tapad and be like, oh okay, it's
not like the ob thing where you can just like
keep taking it back. It's wherever you're first available you
can take it back, Yes, but where it's first available.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, I think it's like, okay, okay, be reasonable, Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
If you intentionally fail to play a hole for competitive reasons,
you will be kicked out of competition and you will
not be my friend. Please don't do that. That is weird.
We don't like that.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
Just play the hole, you are what that must have
happened somewhere for them to make this rule.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I just want to be on the rules to me
so I can just hear all of the stories of
like what happened to having these have to be in
the rule book. You can now this is hot tea.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
You can now add an additional hot stamp to a
disc after production as long as it adheres to the
direct specifications of that mold. But painting or intentionally altering
the flight characteristics is illegal. So if you're out here
and you're like, I'm just standing my disc, that's fine.
But if you're out here like changing the flight plate
and doing crazy things, that's a legal stop doing that.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
So the hot stamp. I was heated about this before
we started recording.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I forgot.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
I was about to be like, why who cares about.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
A hot stamp?
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Like a hot stamp is a hot stamp, Like people
have put hot stamps on.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Their discs before. What's the big deal?
Speaker 4 (38:54):
All the time I was told then that it was
like banned, it was like not allowed for some time.
I totally missed that memo because I didn't know. So
now I guess it's allowed again. This is importantill bost
my mind.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
It was pretty pretty significant because a lot of distributors
that don't manufacture their own discs were stamping their discs,
and so it was like this really weird gray area
of like, wow, wait, but that's why we do all
of our own hot stamping. And then the PDGA was like,
excuse me, get embraced.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
Illegal, call the police, jail.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
This one's important. Players are required to check in with
the td at all A and B tier events. However,
tds cannot require pre tournament check in on any day prior,
but may offer it as a convenience if you don't
check in by the specified time, So for most people
it's five or ten minutes before your tea time. You
forfeit your place, unless you're at a major or Elite
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Series event, in which case you receive two penalty strokes.
Tobacco is banned at A tiers and PDJA events of
any tier that solely offered junior divisions. No longer is
tobacco banned at b tears, seed tears, or blow unless
they're junior only. Eddies may only caddy for a player
at a time and must be at least thirteen years
(40:18):
of age. This will never not be awkward. I'm sorry.
I'm just gonna say it. This is just I was
talking to kristin Tatar. We talk a lots, we're friends,
and she goes, we just celebrated Isabelle's twelfth birthday, only
one more year until she could be my legal caddie,
and I like laid down on the floor and cried.
I was like, Chrystal, please I have trauma stock or.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
She does too. I mean, she hasn't been back to
the state since.
Speaker 1 (40:40):
I love her Blowthing that becomes stained or damaged during
a round is acceptable for the remainder of that round.
And I just want to know who the Karen was
that got on someone's case and was like you sure's.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
I'm sorry. I was just in the bushes, like what
do you mean?
Speaker 1 (40:58):
And I also just want to know who the first
person is going to be to show up in like
gene shorts, like jeorts and be like, oh they were
they were full pants until I went through those thorns.
I would die. My sleeves came off in the thorns,
guys when I oh, wait, yes, okay. When the flight
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position or status of a disc is questionable, the determination
is made by the group. When a group cannot reach
a majority decision, the ruling is based on the interpretation
that is most beneficial to the thrower. However, benefit of
the doubt is not in this freaking rule book. A
ruling is made based on what is beneficial to the
(41:40):
thrower only if the group cannot determine a call based
on what information they have. The group members should not
pay attention base their decisions off what is best for
the thrower. Have you ever done this? Are you toxic?
Or have you been a victim? Because I hate when
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I'm on the card and someone goes.
Speaker 9 (42:03):
Well, you can see it, so like it should probably
just go to HR like the benefit to the throw
benefit to the thrower, And I'm like, you can't make
your decision based off of that, And I don't want
to say that because that's mean and I don't care
about this that much, I've.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Had to be like, I'm sorry you were. Like someone
was like, oh, I think I went I went out
of bounds, like way up there, and I'm just like no, no,
Like I honestly I actually said something this year and I.
Speaker 5 (42:25):
Was literally like, if we use logic, your disc.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Went out back here, and I'm like, if you remember
the flight of your disc, it went this way. Like
I literally had to be like.
Speaker 5 (42:38):
Gag, like stop trying to like push.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Your niceness on me, Like, girl, you go back there.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
I think it's so important to go over because so
many people just cop out by saying benefit to the
player and they don't actually take the information like a
jury and have an opinion, just take into consideration what
would benefit the player and they make their decision based
off that. But also all the time.
Speaker 4 (43:06):
I'm pretty sure I texted ConA and Colton this moment
when I was so mad that so I was like
walking around with Bart.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
I know this isn't an Feil related, but it's the
same rule related.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
What Bart's disc was like questionably inbounds. Okay, is a
Braham Brick. I'm pretty sure I like snapchatted you guys this.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
I think I remember this.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
And I think that.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
It was inbounds if not questionable, Okay, it's like one
of those fat white obie lines like spray painted.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
And then like if the grass is touching questionable right.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
It was like the two players were saying no, out
of bounds. Bart of course is like, I think it's inbounds,
this piece of grass, right, obviously advocating himself.
Speaker 3 (43:44):
The third guy was like, I don't really know.
Speaker 4 (43:48):
I'm not sure, I don't know, I don't know, so
I'm gonna say no, just don't forget that.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
If you don't know, in that.
Speaker 4 (43:55):
Situation, you can you can at that point use benefit
to the player, right, like I know we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (44:03):
But like yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
It was like he was weird pressure because the other
guys were like, oh, well, I think that's how it bounds,
and Bart was like, well, I don't really know. And
then the third guy's like, okay, yeah, I'm just gonna
say it's out, like excuse you.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
If you said benefit to the player, then he would
have just had it.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
So anyways, you can use it talk sometimes gross, Yeah,
don't get me gross.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
If an obstacle physically prevents you from marking your lie,
you can mark your lie immediately behind the obstacle. So
stop throwing from on top of picnic tables. And if
I see on top of picnic tables, I'm gonna kick
you in your shins. And I seem really fast a
few times already. Stop. I watched someone tea from on
top of a building in a European event, and that
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girl beat me by one stroke, and I was so
mad because her disc went like in the little art.
We were playing through a park and there was like
an art thing and it was like a little concrete,
mazed looking building and she threw from on top of it,
and I was so mad. I was like, this isn't
correct because the rule of verticality. Okay, I just died,
because the rule of verticality is not a thing. It's
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not a rule, just like benefit of the doubt. It's
not in there. So stop throwing from on top of
cars and on top of buildings and on top of
picnic tables. If the TD hasn't marked those as hazard,
then you you got a bigger problem on your hands.
Take relief from behind it and proceed. Stop climbing on
(45:28):
top of the tables. It's so annoying. You don't look cool,
you look dumb, you look silly, And as far as
bridges are concerned, I don't know, that's between you and
your community. I can't good luck. I'm really sorry. Uh okay,
So this would come into play if an obstacle physically
(45:50):
prevents you from marking your live this this is like
at what's that hole with a huge rock at Green Mountain?
There's a couple of them. Yeah, there's like the one
in the woods, and then there's the one at Fox.
It comes into play a couple times. I think it
happened at World's last year with Isaac Robinson, where he
like physically could not safely mark and I talked to
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Robert Leonard about this. He wanted me to be very
clear that this does not have anything to do with preference.
This is like, oh, I physically cannot mark my lie,
so I have to take relief. This isn't like, well,
I can't really like put like what do you want
me to do? Like put my foot like on the hill? Like, oh,
I can't really do it. It's like no, if you
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are capable of physically going to that place, then you
have to do it. You threw it there, Okay, I
got all flustered on that one. Uh well, okay, this
one was good. This is the last one. If a
disc comes to rest in a hazard area, there is
a one throw penalty and no relief is given. If
you have to take relief from an obstacle and mark
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a lie in a hazard area. If there's water next
to the hazard and you land in the water, you
can take relief from that. You would take it in hazard,
but there would be no penalty. And that was our
rules update. So I hope you guys enjoyed that. I
actually road through this. It took so long to read
through all of them and like make little notes, but
at the end, I was like, I'm a.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Better person, I'm a better disc golfer.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Spring has sprung and we all have tournaments coming up,
and now you know your rules, so good luck to you.
This week we're covering the Music City Open. It's going
to be on the Disc Golf Network as usual. I
don't know really anything about it other than it's going
to rain a lot.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
But it's match play happening on Thursday and there's some
fun matrips, so that'll be on n and it'll be
fun to want, all.
Speaker 1 (47:46):
Right, y'all. Well, thanks for parting with us, guys. Thanks
for those of you who submitted questions. Good luck to
everyone at Collegiate Nationals. Good luck to everyone in Nashville.
If you come upon water, now you know what to do.
You know as that water is casual and you could
take relief with no penalty. All right, Love you guys,
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Thank you bye, send me bye. Thank you for listening
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