The Paul Jr. Podcast - Episode 5 Mikey Teutul

Mikey joins me on the podcast. Can't remember the last time I laughed so much!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:13):
I'm your vehicle, bab. I love it? Right? How long
can you listen to that for all day? I don't
know what it is about that, man, it is so groovy.
It's groovy and it really makes you feel good. All right, well,

(00:37):
let's get into it. Huh was that the intro or
or it could be? Yeah? Yeah, I like it. It's
spontaneous unless you have a spot. I didn't like where
you I didn't like where you cut it. Oh yeah, man,
you gotta be like Dent d d didn't. Okay, let's
try it. You're right, Paul Junior.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Let's see what we getting ready.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
You know, I'm gonna do ice cream? Yeah, you know,
it's like I can kind of hear Isaac case many
don't go about your bumpet.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh yeah, A drizzle some of that melted ice cream
on your body? Man, white chocolate?

Speaker 1 (01:41):
All right? Yeah, we don't have that much itself. Off,
I was running out of groove. So what it does, man,
it cuts itself. It does eventually. Yeah, you should have
that high hat sustain at the end. You know, I
know I have something.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
We'll have one of these.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Let me say, what is this? It's a little cargo
bulls all right. I like that. Yeah, yeah, because that's good.
When something's not funny, then then the audience probably laughs
exactly good or that makes you feel good, doesn't it.
I mean, I just listen. I come in here. That's

(02:19):
more like being at a bachelor party. Really listen closely.
I come in here and just listen to that for hours.
Just makes me feel good about myself. Yeah, whenever you're
feeling bad, huh, come on in here, so down and
just play cheers. I got my own canned in uh cheers,
you know. So what's going on, Mike? Good to see you,

(02:41):
Good to see you. I wouldn't this.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
I was thinking, like you, I was going to introduce you,
but then I was thinking this guy he does he
needs no introduction, no audience at all, you know, doesn't.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, it doesn't even need to be said, doesn't even
need to be no introduction here. I am just like
like a like a genie. Yep, So what's good? I
don't know. I was just out in Middletown cats sitting
for a week. Yeah, how'd that go? It's it's cats sitting,
cats sitting, cat and house sitting. And it was a

(03:15):
real uh, I don't know, you go like kind of
stir crazy, turn into a hermit. Really, I feel kind
of like a little anti social, a little shaky. Really, yeah,
because I just had a cat, and a cat like
as one ear. His name is Calypso really, yeah, you
watch cats, our cats needing to be watched? That cat
is really yeah, yeah, it's a special needs Well I

(03:37):
can see dogs, but cats just seem I know this
one's special. Need You have to pet her in order
to get her head down to the bowl to eat.
I'm not kidding. Really, can she not see the ball?
She does that normally, like naturally, like eight times a day,
so you can't get a full night of sleep. Really,

(03:58):
and you got to say, good girl, lips, this is real,
This is real. And then she stops for like three
four hours and then wakes me up again. Really, yeah,
I'm not used to the cat. So it's a special
needs cat that you're sitting on. Yeah, that I'm caring for,
caring for and sitting on. Wow, only when she won't
shut up. How many times have you watched this cat?

(04:21):
Like eight nine times?

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Really, so she's become familiar with your attention.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, she's not driving me insane anymore.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
No, Wait did she calm down after the first couple
of times. No, really, I've just gotten used to it
and that's it. No other pets, No other pets. So
who owns this cat?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Someone you know? Now? Someone who works for Dan our brother?
Oh brother, he's an iron worker. He is office guy.
Oh part of the brass, gotcha? Yep, damn top shelf. Huh,
you know it. That's really nice. I enjoy myself there,
but yeah, it does. I get a little punchy. So
it's like the most social I've been in about a week,

(05:01):
you know. And how's the house? Is it like a
comfortable environment? Very much? Really? Yep. They have Pluto TV.

Speaker 4 (05:09):
I was gonna say a lot of Netflix or you know,
binge watching of things.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I just watched Pluto. Now, really, what is that? That's
like a free network. It still has commercials, but it's
like everything that's on every other network. Okay, just has
a bunch of channels that are movies like nineteen seventies, eighties.
Oh really almost like radio, kind of like radio. No
kidding on the line. Yeah, it's awesome. So you can
pick your decade that you like to watch. Yep. Wow,

(05:35):
amongst other things, you know, they have thrillers, they have horror.
Oh so there's different genre as well, Like there's different
you know, like drama, horror, comedy. Probably twenty five channels
of movies. Really, yep, I've been watching the seventies. Have
been big into Bronson. Really, yeah, I never like Charles Bronson.

(05:57):
Man the evil that men do? Oh man?

Speaker 2 (06:00):
That movie?

Speaker 1 (06:00):
What was it? That's the name of the movie. I think, so,
I'm thinking of Death Wish, But yeah, death Wish is
the most famous.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Yes, that he did a handful of movies back he
was a real action hero back in the day because
just the action figure. But obviously he wasn't an act
He might have been an action figure. Love Charles Bronson thirty.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Dozen or something like that. Yeah, I don't know, but
Bronson's badass. Wait wasn't there one with him and Clint
Eastwood where they fought each other? No? Who am I
thinking of? Uh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, any which way would loose? Right? Nope?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
No, No, there was one where Charles Bronson and I'm
trying to think of the name of the movie Bronson.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, can you look that up? Bronson and and uh yeah,
those two can't share a screen. Your eyes will explode.
I know, testosterone will come pouring from the TV. They're
both fantastic. Well, you know, Bronson was the first pick
for Good Band and the Ugly and he turned it down.

(07:05):
Is that right? Yeah, all right, I made it all up.
This is good.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
This is off to a good start. Yeah, that's not
what I'm thinking of the We're in.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
An episode of raw Hide together, okay, and they had
a bunch of those Western series. Yeah, interesting, Bronson, So
you're still watching like Turner Broadcasting like at home.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
I know you used to be watch that for years.
Drive everyone nuts in.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
The whole house. Yep. Nobody wants to watch Nobody wants
to watch it, but Michael I do. Yeah, and I've grown,
I've grown to love him more. Well, some of them
are fantastic movie, They're fantastic. Some are just melodramas that
just don't translate to the modern person. You know, what's
the movie Rosebud? What is that with the Citizen Kaneyeah,
Citizen Kane. That's a good movie. That's an interesting movie,

(07:56):
you know, like, yeah, that never gets old. No, Yeah,
that's like one of the considered one of the greatest
films ever. Is that right? Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, top
three in most people's books, you know. Between that, I think,
uh maybe Going with the Wind and uh oh oh
yeah yeah, oh really yeah, you know those are those

(08:18):
are great pieces of cinema. You know that you could
watch over and over.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
What about the Humphrey Bogart or the Humphrey Bogart movie?
What is that Casablanca? That's that's a really good movie.
Those are right up in the They're in the all
the same kind of pile of goodness.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Those set the standard for movie history.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
I think, so, I think you're right, although I will say,
like Godfather, you know, that's a staple around Thanksgiving, isn't
it always has been?

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, damn would always keep it on.
Yeah yeah, the Godfather all day? Yeah, maybe watching The
Godfather and you can just turn off. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
And the weirdest part about The Godfather is you can
watch it and no matter when it's on, if you're
thumbing through the channel, you can't not watch it wherever
it's at, right, especially Godfather too, right things it's like
the better you know, uh, no matter what, no matter what,
you can't watch it. You have to watch it, and
then it could be on a loop and you could
just keep it on in the house the whole day.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yep, I could play it permanently. What's so ball monitor
in my kitchen? What do you think so good about it? Godfather? Yeah?
I don't know. You know, I tested that theory because
Pluto had the Godfather Network for a little bit. They
have like once a month they'll switch up a channel.
Right now, it's all Rocky. Oh really, so you could
watch you know, Rocky, But how many times can you
watch even the first Rocky, which is a wonderful film

(09:37):
before you get to set one? Two and three, even four?
Godfather took me three weeks to get sick of really
yeah wow, really yeah, But they coupled it with one
and two, so it wasn't like I was watching one
on the repeat.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
You know what I love in The Godfather obviously just
about everything about it, but like when they cut back
to the Old Country, I love. Yeah, well they go
back to ci Man, then there's these flashbacks, and then
there's the Baby you know.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Oh yeah, good a better film. Yeah. I think it's
probably the best of all of them. So what was there? Three? Three, three?
He's like one of the worst films ever. Yeah, yeah,
even Coppola says that like he needed the money really yeah, yeah,
and he had all the star power in there. It

(10:25):
just didn't. The problem is it's like it's like two
was a Picasso.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Yeah, so what do you do then? You know, everybody's
just a little bit older. You mix it up. It's
just you're never gonna get that magic back. It's kind
of like bands think about music, right, Like think about
the Rolling Stones aren't making great music anymore. They just
made great music at one point in time. Yeah, and
they still play it, but they're not they're not creating.
That's funny because I was listening to an interview with

(10:52):
Bob Dylan and he was saying, like, you know, he
had this like you know, his music and his body
of work and what people think of him, and he
said that.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Just shut off.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
In other words, he had like brilliance. He has no
idea where it came from. Probably divine right, sure, Bob,
I'm Bobby d And then that was it.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
He never got any more like inspiration past all his
great songs. I guess you get x them out, use
it up and you're done. I think you're right, man,
because what's the thing on Brian DePalma. He's he directed,
Oh yeah, he's fantastic. Yeah yeah, Untouchables and yep, Scarface. Anyways,

(11:31):
he was saying that not too many directors make great
films in their sixties, seventies and eighties. Gets the rawness.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
You think it's like the You think people are just
hungry at that age for for I don't know. Man,
Look all these great bands were in their twenty early
twenties when they made great music.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Yeah, full of beans, you know what I'm saying. Sure,
he got all the vigor. Yeah right, Vinegar, I think
you're right.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, But there's like a few bands out there that
kept doing it, Like Aerosmith is kind of one of
those bands that over like a twenty thirty year span,
they kept putting out hits.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
You know what I'm saying. Sure, Yeah, they figure out
a way to touch base with the modern audience. I
think so, and every couple of generations or every generation. Yeah,
and still be true to their music, you know. Not easy. No,
David Bowie could do that too for a while. Don't
get me started on Bowie. Oh yeah, like Bowe Oh
my gosh, let me tell you something about that guy.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
He is to me lyrically and just his whole ziggy
star dust thing and you know, some weird stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
There for sure. Yeah, but it's almost what you love
about it, right. Sure?

Speaker 4 (12:44):
He really what a master of his craft and lyrically
and musically, I think unappreciated maybe by a lot of people.
And I think Bowie really influenced a lot of music
out there, you.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Know, sure, sure, yeah, and popular stuf definitely, you know.
And he had two different color eyes, which that's in
my book. You know, he doesn't even have to sing
these two different color eyes. What kind of dog is
two different color eyes? It's like a chow chower or
it's a.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
It's a they're a little hyper usually black and white,
like a border collie.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
I think right he was part Border College. I think
you're right.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, you know he grew up with who's the guitarist?
Famous Biggest? Yeah You're in Heaven, but he's sang that
song Eric Clapton. Really yeah, he went to school with
Eric Clapton. Eric Clapton's father was a music teacher and
encouraged him to play an instrument get involved in music,

(13:45):
and that's how he got started. David Bowie started because
David Clapton's father encouraged him to get involved. But yeah,
David Clapton, Yeah, Eric Clapp. Maybe his father's name was David.
I don't know David Clapton, And you know he got
The reason I got messed up is because when he
was in school a kid punched him in the eye
and it created some situation where it changed the color

(14:06):
of his one eye. It worked out, Man, Ziggy start
Us never looks so good, no shit. Yeah, a lot
of close ups to that face on album covers, every
single one.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
It definitely helped him become a little more exotic. Yeah,
he got way more chicks. Yeah, maybe some dudes. I
don't know who knows, I don't know, he never knew him.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
He was very he played very close to the you know,
he didn't really say much about that stuff, do you Yeah,
what do you call it?

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Uh? He was uh androgynous, androgynists, very good. Yeah, I
was gonna say ambiguous, but yeah, he was indrogenoists. At
least his act was you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (14:42):
Yep, Yeah, under pressure with him and he was, you know,
really big in the sixties seventies, right, yep, really.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Lots of cocaine and lots of free love.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
You know, even guys like him in the eighties, they
just things got weird, I think for him musically at times.
You know, I even seen that with a.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Few almost sixties acts. Really, Neil Young got into some
weird music at some point in time. Do you ever
hear his like trance weird? Yeah, synthetic synthesizers and whatnot.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Yeah, and there's another guy like Neil Young. You go
back to think about his music. Man, fantastic lyrics, beautiful voice.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Just he still sounds really good. He does right.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, you know, he's got that kind of sultry tone
that it's not hard on your vocal chords when you
get older. Some of these guys they got to like
fake their old music because he sounds like big Bird.
Oh you think so, Like I always picture big Bird.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I guess you're right. And I like Neil Young, and
I know what he looks like, But every time I
picture Big Bro, he kind of looks a little big Bird.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
He's an interesting looking dude, and he's Canadian's strange that
I would say, you know, it's like a couple strikes
against them.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Other than that he's a great artist. They're punching up there.
They're punching a man anything, they're punching someone who's been
cat sick.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Yeah, I don't want a dog Canada. I like Canadians.
They love us, don't they.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
They do.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
Their biggest fans Canadian very kind, very kind people. I've
never seen a mad Canadian. Maybe maybe, Yeah, I know,
big time, you know, because it's like it's a country
full of people who are ready to explode.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, they're holding it in bust in Canada. They actually
like offer you go to the doctor's, like if you're
sick or something. They're just like they give you the
option to go kill yourself or they'll kill you. Here's
a pill, take it. Yeah, we'll kill you for you.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Remember Stackhouse. Yeah, total Canadian man. That's a guy that
should have taken the doctor.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
He was a nice guy. Watching me eat Chinese food
was disgusting. Yeah, you know, some people just can't watch eat.
Maybe it's not their fault. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
A lot of like like grunting sounds and things of
that nature.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, wants to hear that. No one wants to hear it. Nobody.
Keep your mouth shut yourself, like load up your cheeks,
you know, working out inside. Yeah, prsh your lips and
all of us are kind of guilty over our mouths
a bit. We mhm be at bad eating habits. You know.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
All right, Mike, what do you want to talk about?
Or are we just talking? I like this, This is
very fun.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
It was just keeping it free form, just keeping it
free for him. I like talking movies with you. You're great
to talk about it. You're a movie buff man. Movie.
You're so hooked on movie. I mean, everyone loves a
good movie, but you still love them. I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
My problem was, I'm on my phone so much and
I scroll through so much content anymore.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Sure, I can't sit through a movie. Nobody. Actually, it's disgusting.
Nobody can.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
I'm actually disgusted at myself for the fact that I
am so doing this content thing, that I need so
much stimulation that when I go to sit down and
watch a movie with my wife and sun.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
You can't pay attention.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
I got like five minutes yep, or I fall asleep
because I just.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
You know, it's too much. Really, so it has like
a like a yeah, manic on the phone, or you
just drop out, but you can't keep your focus for
an hour and forty minutes keep my focus. Nobody can. Yeah,
I have a bunch of friends. I don't watch movies anymore.
I can't pay attention. You do thirties? Yeah, you sit
right through them and watch the next one, the next one.

(18:28):
It's an entire world right there in front of you,
the beginning, middle, and done, one whole thing. Favorite movie
of all time? What would you say it is? Because
I feel like there's a lot of good ones out there.
I know we talked about some, but you know, you know,
I can't get sick of The Big Lebowski. That movie.
We laugh. Man, I've been watching a lot of I

(18:49):
go through vases, you know right now. I really enjoy
watching Paul Thomas Anderson films. Okay, you'd be kind of gritty, hard,
but this is like, like, what are some of his
The Master? Okay, there will be blood, Oh, there will
be blood? The oil Man? Is it old? Are they
like eighties nineties? I'm trying to Okay, I believe Boogie Knights. Yeah,

(19:14):
he directed Boogie Knights. You know, funny story about Boogie Nights.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
You know Ron Salisbury right back in the mic, back
in the day, and obviously I worked with him in
the steel shop. I remember we used to work together, right,
it was me and him in the making railings.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
And he took when he's married to uh Gianna now right,
But the very first movie he ever took her to
was Boogie Knights, and he had no idea what the
context of the film was really, so you know, he
was all nervous bringing to.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Dance film or he had no idea, right, And I'll
never forget. Duty comes in the next day and he
goes bro I had a date last night and we
saw Boogie Knights and I had no idea what it
was about.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
And yeah, they got married. So I don't know what
that says, but seemed to work out for him.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
It is a little uncomfortable of a date movie, I
would say. So, yeah, man, you know, like he's got
a schwantz down to his ankle. Yeah. I don't know
what to say about that. You can't insist on leaving,
you know, it's like your first date. That's pretty funny. Mm.
So what are you up to these days?

Speaker 4 (20:21):
What do you I've got stuff going on. I know
you like to uh, I know you've been behind the
camera a lot doing some stuff.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yep. Yep, what's that like. It's a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah,
making films is a big headache. It's a boy, that's
a that's a big You got a more specific question, Well,
what kind of films you make?

Speaker 4 (20:44):
It a little behind the scene, what do you what's
the I think people are interested.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
What's going on? What's Mikey up to?

Speaker 4 (20:51):
You know, that's like the when I go out there,
that's what everybody wants to when I got to tell you, man,
everybody loves you. I know you may already know that,
but everybody loves Mikey.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's just a thing that's good. I hope it catches fire,
if it catches on somewhere, but uh, I don't know.
You know. I like making movies now, okay. Made a
black and white silent film that was, uh, sort of
sci fi okay and horror, but comedy also. And I

(21:24):
don't really like silent films, and I don't like sci
fi okay, but it was fun to film. It was
like a hybrid, a hybrid. Yeah. It was interesting to
learn how to make a film, especially when you don't
have to deal with audio.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
All right, Well, good, I mean what so, so you
do it yourself? You got like a crew or what
is just you? Or you got writers? You got actors?

Speaker 1 (21:47):
All right? With my friend Mike. Yeah, everyone knows Mike.
Everybody knows Mike from the show. Kind of did he
ever get on or was he always told? One of
our most famous scenes in American Chopper, Well, yes he does.
He goes into a pond. Scene. Oh the pond's ear
Oh that was Earl. Geez, they look so much alike

(22:07):
you getting punch. It's so many damn episodes. You know,
you're right, it was Earl. Dang gosh. Starting to snow out,
so that's good, you know, beat the snow, Beat the snow. Here,
I hit a little drift and then down by the
beach you just boo went away and yeah, pulled nicely

(22:29):
into my park. Did you get any snow coming up
from New York today? No? No, none, just the flurry
in the oranges, flurry in the oranges, but nothing that's stuck. No.
By then the temperature was well above freezing.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
Okay, yeah, we're getting the little flurries now. It's unusual here.
We've been getting snow. I've been getting snow on the island.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
You know. Sorry, I got something stuck too.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Sorry, Should I play a little traveling music?

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah? I like this position. Yeah yeah. Welcome to the
Paul Junior Podcast here today with Mikey Tunnell talking movie back.

(23:33):
Oh yeah, cut it after the guitar there. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Oh, I can never figure out where to cut that.
Just no, like I need like a symbol or I
think it's that guitar now. Yeah, you know, maybe we
should switch seats and you could interview me that you
can play with all these different fun buttons the.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
List of the question and start attacking, you know, stand
real like lean, lean in, you know, like crossfire kind
of thing. Yeah, more interrogation style, yep, like Robert Frost
or some ship. Yeah, really get to the heart of it. Yeah,
not crossfire like firing squad. Yeah yeah, we're where Just
it's not so much an interview as it is accusation. Yeah,

(24:20):
that's right that you can't like rebuttal Yeah, it's a
very accusatory way of talking, you know. Yep, all right,
let's talk what else you want to talk about? Well,
the films, Now I plug my other boring films. Will
tell me about your other boring film as a documentary
about actors? Is that right?

Speaker 4 (24:40):
Yeah, that was fun, like full of themselves, kind of
jerk off kind of character stuff.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
They're both kind of oblivious, you know, and both of
them lead to very different lives and uh, they kind
of want the same thing. There. Is that what you're
working on now? No, that's finished okay, yeah, it's been
finished three years. But my friend who used to do
the music, he did the music for the for the Silence.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
Yes, yes, he died. Oh that's that's your friend, that pastor.
So I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
He was good for you. He was a good dude.
He's a good fellow. He's a good friend. Yeah. Yeah,
it's hard to lose a friend like that. Good friends, colleague, Yeah,
it's like, uh right, yeah, good friends are hard to
come by, they are, you know, especially as you get older.
Yeah you know, yeah, because you don't really you I

(25:34):
think honestly, you become more and more selective of who
you enjoy hanging out with when you get older, You're right,
So that automatically decreases the amount of people that you
can make friends with.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, especially if you have like a you know, your
circle is like it's smaller and smaller. Yeah, they keep
croaking to your point, I got like, yeah, like half
of my friends just saying I just mean, like you
get you know, people go third separate ways, and then
you just don't have that much interest in letting new
people in. It's really hard. I mean we we live

(26:06):
here on the island now I've been here three and
a half years. We have some friends we go out with,
especially because Rachel knows people from growing up in this area.
Just hard to like lock in, you know, sometimes you
get stuck with like, you know, we gotta go out.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Sometimes you go you just take one for the team. Bro.
You should go out to like public, you go out
to the bathroom at the bus station. I make friends
there all the time. We could do a whole podcast
on that. People would love to hear that story or
stories between you know, and they got the ideas you're sick.

(26:46):
You're a sick individual.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
You know that.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, I got we got off? Did I get off?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
There?

Speaker 4 (26:51):
Just tell me about your next what else is going on?
So with these movies, do you ever like, uh, you
you put them out there like like any kind of
uh submit them to anything.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Well, the first film I got into a couple of
film festivals. The Silent Film. Okay, one out in California
and one here in New York. I mean we're not
in New York, in Brooklyn, yep. And I could go
see that one. It was really nice and like in
a theater, sat down in a theater, boom there. It
was really an experience that was a goal I didn't

(27:25):
want to win. I don't know. I don't give a
shit at to look up at it. I want to
see that thing giant on a screen and a bunch
of other people who have to watch it. Wow, that
was fun. I could see that.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
Yeah, seems like that would be like a good end game,
especially for a movie.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Buff like you. Yeah right, sure, it's kind of an earmark. Yeah.
As a matter of fact, is ready to call it
quits after that because it's nothing? Right, Yeah, you're like
I've arrived. Yeah, and I was. I went up on
the George Washington. I thought, man, wait a second, I
should make another movie. I thank God for that other movie. Yeah,

(28:00):
we wouldn't be talking right now, not at all, or
maybe not talking. Possibly. That's good.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
I like it, man, you know, yeah, damn, So all
those years in front of the camera and you decided
you'd like it behind the camera more like being behind
the camera more so or is it a balance more so?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah? Yeah, I still like you know, yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yeah, doing this kind of thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
look at my thumb.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Yeah. Hey, hey, no, I do. I do enjoy performing,
having fun, you know. But yeah, behind the camera is
nice because I have more control. It really boils down
to that, and that could be an ugly word, I guess,
but I mean I usually I'm pretty foot loose in
fancy free and you know, past past the beach, ball around,

(28:49):
you know, but when and I'm not saying I'm a
dictator when it comes to making films, but I mean
I have a lot of control in the sense where
I could like come up with the concept, work it
over with somebody, and you bring it in front of
actors and then you know, well, you know, you try
to turn it into a story on the page. Then
I'll take scenes and try to put the mechanics together
for a shot list and whatnot, you know, which usually

(29:10):
falls apart. And then whatever you're right for the actor
to do, they usually tell you to go fuck yourself.
And then I bring it to the editor and you know,
he rolls his eyes and tells me. But they're all.
These are all I've developed relationships with with a lot
of people that I trust. Well, that's good, which's nice.
You know, no matter how gritty it gets, it.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Sounds like a creative outlet for you. I mean, everybody
needs to itch that well, you know, whatever it is
that they like or want to do. You know, there's
creativity involved. And in this situation for you, you're you know,
it's bingo. It's bingo bingo. And I worked the micro
budget too, so I could like produce my own ship permanently.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Right. It might not make any money, right, it's not
one hundred million dollars no, but you know, when it
comes to when it comes to a production, there's a
lot of money involved, you know, and then it becomes
like the the instructions get handed down. For sure, you
have your reallyash exactly what you like about it, which
is the control or for the most part, the control exactly.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
That's really interesting, man, Yeah, it's interesting. I've never done
anything like that. I've never really created any sort of
behind that.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
You know. I recommend anybody make a film, Yeah, yeah, cathartic,
it's yeah, it's just an experience it's humbling because there's
so many different facets and you have to collaborate with
so many people, do you and there's nothing you can control, right,
there's some things that are just way outside of the somethings.
You can put it set together and you can have
everything ready and have like a stand in and whatnot,

(30:39):
and there's always something going thunder coming through the roof. Yeah,
you know something. Yeah, there's always something right, like like
you've got a one day location that you're paying for
and it's just not working out. Yeah. I had a
sweat for the actor thing. There was the main character
in it is putting on a play in which he
actually plans on killing himself on stage right, And we

(31:00):
had a We had a three days we had to
shoot in the theater. We did two each day costs
like a thousand bucks really, yeah, because I had to
hire a lighting guy because it's sort of a real theater.
It was like a three hundred seat but they had
all the nice Super Trooper lights and spots and everything.
And the third day I had to wait a year.
It was the last day of the shoot because of COVID,

(31:23):
we wait a full year. So it puts all like
six people.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
That put your movie on pause. COVID didn't it on pause,
Jesus putting my whole life on pause.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Freaking COVID. Nobody nobody talks about COVID. Thank god. I know.
It's kind of a repulsive conversation. I'll tell you.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
We talked about COVID for so long. I just I'm
so over it. I think everyone is. You know, the
whole world is way over it now, you know what.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I think though, like someone should do a documentary on
the things that happened during COVID. Oh, I think that
nobody's done a documentary on that. Nobody's done a movie
on it. I think it's coming. You know, as soon
as Enron happened, they made like eight movies.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
You know why, because I feel like it was such
an unpopular time, no one, no one wants it. I
think it's like a ten year It's like a ten
year thing, you know, and like ten years, they'll be
like all kinds of documentaries about when COVID hit.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
You know, Well, do you remember the nine to eleven movies? Yep?
They made those pretty close to win nine to eleven.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Half that was a little they did probably within a
couple of years and then you know, ten year and
then then the conspiracy type movies and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
You know, it's fucked up. Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Are you done talking about movies or you're not, because
if you're not, I'd like to hear more.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I'm just getting kidding, just getting kind of cozy, pretty good,
scratchy stroke stroke. It's good. You got to talk about
what you love. You know you do? I think that. Yeah,
that's enough talking about that. All right? Good, Well, I
got a question. I think.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
I think it's fascinating. I love that you're that you
have a creative outlet. I like that you're behind the camera.
I love that you love it so much. I love
it because people don't have hobbies like that, and they
and if they want to do something, quite often people
don't even step up to make the attempt because I'm
sure it's not an easy thing. Like I said, I've
never done anything like that. I wouldn't even know where
to start.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
You know, you got a camera and an actor, okay,
and then and then take it from there and hit
play or hit record. I should say, you got to
talk to the actor for us, okay, you know, let
him tell you to go for yourself. They dovertimes. Really
yeahs is there like, is there like a casting place
that you could go and find these people? Uh yeah,

(33:35):
backstage dot com. It's like really one hundred and sixty dollars.
I mean, you never know who you're gonna get. Right now,
that you're gonna get a good actor is not really great.
But I used to use my friend Dave there, remember
Dave Yo, who was a good actor, and I thought
he did a great job. Did he have experience, Uh yeah,
really quite a bit. Yeah, did some stage, but he

(33:55):
grew up in Los Angeles. Okay, he had a great
I had a great look that guy. Great look, Yeah,
the nose, the whole nine. Yeah, had a great look,
great look, great voice, great voice. Sometimes on the phone.
Still we're friends, you know, but he's like retired now,
he's some kidney issues and I'll just talk to him
and he'll put me to sleep because he's got such

(34:17):
a great very radio. Yeah. And then the second film,
the mockumentary about actors, he's the lead. Okay, so you
actually hear his voice as opposed to the first film
where he just plays like the silent role. Yeah. Yeah,
And it was really nice to be able to work
with him because I got him at the end of
his career. Actually, like the last day of shooting with
him on the Act the mockumentary, he was really tired

(34:42):
and I thought he was being a diva. He kept
falling asleep. But he had chronic kidney. Oh he was sick. Yeah,
but he didn't know it, and uh, he freaked on him.
I didn't freak on him because he brought like a
security person with him. She would have freaked on him. No,
because I I knew something was up. But you know,
I had to coax something out of this guy's the

(35:04):
last day of the shoot, you know, I know he's
on his way out, you know. And so I went
down to his dressing room and I had his lines
and everything. I said, Look, we broke these up into like,
you know, three between three and six words sentences that
a guy off camera is going to repeat them to you,
and you're gonna throw them to you, and then you're
gonna repeat them. It'd be easy as pie, you know.

(35:24):
And I'll give you a little bit of direction in between,
but mainly you don't have to worry about very much.
And so then I gave him the lines, and then
I walked out of the room and I started talking
to a security guy, and the security guy offered to
help me direct the film, and I was, you know,
I was like, get the fuck out of here. It'd
be like someone telling you, you know, thanks you, I'll

(35:46):
take over the fabrication on this bike. And I look
over his shoulder and Dave's sleep and he didn't even
open the book, telling him, come on up. We got
about six people up there. I'm paying that's funny. You're
an interesting guy, man, very interesting guy. You know.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
I was always very fascinated when you when you when
you took a shot at stand up.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Oh, that was fun I was talking to Dan about
that or brother.

Speaker 4 (36:12):
I'm telling you, man, I was so impressed. You know,
being in front of the camera like we have been
for all these years, yep, is nothing compared to standing
in front of people and.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
Having to be funny.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
It's horrible, as like the most terrifying thing and that
I can think of. Right, Yeah, you got up there
and you you you gave it a shot. Man, You
got up in front of people and you laid your
whole heart bear.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, yeah, I man, I did fucking horrible a couple
of times.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Yeah, well, don't you think that standard in the practice.
I mean, don't you think most of these guys I hear,
I hear all these famous comedians talk about bombing where
they got booed off the stage.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Even if if you do the same exact set one
night and you're killing it the next night, you can
do the same set, same enthusiasm, same everything, and the
audience is not responsible. Man. Yea terrifies me.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
I remember for the show we were filming. Where was
that place? The Left Factory? What was comics?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
Comics?

Speaker 4 (37:09):
Oh, comics in New York City, and we're filming for
the show. I'll never forget this. And I'm nervous for you, right,
I'm like sweating bullets because I know you're coming out.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Yeah, I ship my pants. You did not literally, but yeah,
I was shipping my pants. Yeah, I was chat teeth chattering, man,
Holy shite. There's a lot of pressure that was fresh
out of rehab too. Oh. It was like a little DT,
little D might be the chatter. And I remember, I'll
never forget man.

Speaker 4 (37:36):
I thought you were coming out, and they made an
announcement that Jim Gaffigan was coming out.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yep, you had to follow gaff again. You had to
follow gaff again to follow gaffing. You know, nobody follows
gaff again, No, nobody.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
No, the guy's a closer, he's a he's a he's
an opener and a closer and everything in between. You
might as well go home. Yep, you did good, though
I did okay. I think I got more making fun
of my jokes. I think people's faces were in like
a smiling position from Gaffigan's like fifteen minute act, and
it helped. I wasn't not yours, no quaking. Though you
had one good joke. I can't say one guy. So

(38:10):
it was so lude.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
But there was a guy who was an ex or
a retired judge, and he had a bunch of joke
book jokes and he was going on after me and
he turned me before I went out, and he was like,
I don't I wouldn't want to be you. Thanks, oh,
thanks for the vhoto confidence punched Jim Gaffigan in the back.
He like, thanks to a rabbit punch.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
Oh gosh, I mean Chappelle might maybe you know, Chappelle
could have probably hung in there with a guy like that.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
He was such a heavy he's such a heavyweight in
comedy though. Who Ll Gaffigan, O Chappelle. He's great. He's
nice and clean too.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
He's nice and cleanest guy man. Yeah, I worry about
those guys. Remember, uh, they're doing weird ship in the hotel.
Bill Cosby man bill cleanest comedian in history, talk about
doing weird stuff.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Man.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
I don't think Jim's that wall like Jim. I think
he's I think he's the real deal. But I remember
growing up, we used to watch Bill Cosby himself at
Grandma and Grandpa. Do you remember watching Do you remember that?

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Sure? Yeah? And I remember we she they had the tape.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
We would just watch that and it was Bill Cosby
himself was like one because it was clean and he
was so funny. He was so funny for not cursing,
and then he gave everyone else a hard time and
it turned.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Out weird for him. Did was he convicted of anything?

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Well, he went to jail, but he's out again, so
I don't know. I don't want to, you know, it
was probably we should probably not talk about it. I
don't want to get a cease and desist, right, Okay?
Like that, you know, Yeah, I guess you want to.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
You want to? Yeah, I started feeling the censor kind
of come on, like, yeah, I know there's a let
me see, I can't let me see if I could
find it. I think it's oh nice, So you know,
sustain that over our pass.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
Right, you want to say something about Bill's.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
You know, you ever hit that while you're swearing, like
the sense of yourself, you don't come you. I don't
know how to do it that good. Rachel was doing
all right, you know, all right, so you need like Ann, Yeah,
I need an intern to hit buttons for me. Yeah,
like a monkey. It was like, you know, yeah, he

(40:22):
starts to not like knows how to anticipate what you
got going on, kind of like Paul Schaeffer and and Letterman.
Yeah yeah there you go. Yeah yeah, like you know,
he's throwing the cards. I loved Paul Schaeffer. Yeah, Paul
was great.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
You could set your watch to that guy. Couldn't you
consistent as all get out? Same guy, same sentence, same
thing every time. Every time looked a little different. He
changed his outfit, but his face always looked the same.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Bald head. Yeah, he's kind of lively, you know, hopping
around a little bit. Dave freaking loved him. Yeah, Dave
loved us. Dave did love our show, loved our cheved.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Strangely to the point where I know that Discovery he
put in a request for Discovery to send him episodes
before they aired, and he would watch the episode before
it aired. He had like an inn with Discovery yet
because like you know, Discovery always wanted all their talent
to go on. Let you know, it's a little bit
of a chess, you know, for give and take. I

(41:21):
loved going on Letterman. You know, I feel so old
sometimes because I think, Man, we used to go on
Letterman and Leno, and.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Like these guys kids funny now would not know either
one of them.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
They wouldn't know any of them. Man, think about all
the talk shows we went on. They don't almost exist anymore.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Like they're all gone. They're all gone. They're all gone,
I know. And we haven't even been like fifty years
in the business.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
It's crazy. I mean, it's it's so crazy. We're getting
I'm fifty now, right. Here's what's crazy. Here's how you
know you're old. I got a ten year old son,
as you know, Hudson and the other day, we were
talking and I mentioned Justin Bieber.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Never heard of him? Get the hell out, never heard
of Justin Bieber? You go out pretty quickly, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
I know, but in your mind, isn't Justin Bieber like
a like a much younger like not part of our
generation at all?

Speaker 1 (42:08):
You know, I thought he was still current. This is
what he said. My point is, at one, at one
point in.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
Time, ten year old kids are like big fans of
Justin Bieber. Now they don't know who he is, not
all of them, but more so than not sure beabs
is Maybe I'm making it. Maybe I'm just making that assumption. Yeah,
maybe I'm making that assumption.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
You know, well no, because I mean I guess you'd
have to ask everybody in his grade. Yeah, exactly, Man,
I take a vote.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
But it caught me off guard because I was like, dang, man,
I just dang, it's crazy. He lose lose touch, He
lose touch, man, you know, yeah, you know what I mean.
Like the show was two thousand and two, twenty three
years ago. It started twenty three years ago, like half
of our lifetime ago is when American Choppers started. It

(42:56):
seems like an excess of amact half my life exactly
half year, exactly half your life, exactly half. I wish
it was exactly half my life, because then I'd be
like four years younger.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Yeah, I mean what happens in those four years? You
feel it? Fifty don't? You don't want to know? I am?

Speaker 4 (43:14):
Yeah, hit fifty years, man, I'll tell you your your
eyesight goes, your coordination decreases, your mental capacity starts to slip.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
No, that's not that's not true. I do feel like
the cognitive function is still there, am I? Yeah, sharper
than ever. Just shit the nile. Yeah, No, honestly, the
eyesight thing is true, though, gone. Really, Oh you've always twenty,
haven't you? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (43:41):
And I refuse to wear glasses, really, I gotta tell you, man,
without these, dude, I'll show you these readers.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
These are like, you can't read? How's your distance?

Speaker 4 (43:50):
I'm fine with distance, but unless I put do I
look weird with classic godly normal?

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Really you kind of remind me of Shane really a
little kind of similar. Just ces Shaner, man, I miss
I miss that guy. I've never seen him anymore. But yeah, man,
my eyesight is uh, my hearing and my eye.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Sights, you know, not what it used to be. I
do play a lot of pickleball. I'm taking a month
or two off because I hurt my I got pickleball elbow.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Really yeah, but that's helped me a lot. You know.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Everybody's like, oh, so lean, I'm just not you know,
just lean down from just.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Being very active. Yeah it's good.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
I like it. Yeah, I feel like I'm fit. I'd pounds.
I'm two hundred pounds even. I like that weight for
me pumping iron.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
No, no, not at all. I was just telling Rachel
I got to go to the gym. The arms look good. Yeah,
thank you. Stick with pickleball. Yeah, you're probably right. You
like pickleball, right, Yeah, Yeah, I enjoy it. I don't
have too many people to play it with. Yeah yeah.
And the diehards over in my gumery they hate you.

(45:02):
I hate them, I know. I gotta tell you.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
It's mostly a friendly sport. But when people are jerks
when you're playing pickleball, it be so annoying. They're super jerky.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Catch yeah, catch on. Yeah. There was a guy who's
like some pervert that used to tell like kids dirty
jokes over at the Golden gym. Oh. Yeah, in the
late nineties he started playing pickleball over Montgomery. Really yeah,

(45:32):
so you remember that guy for back in the day. Yeah,
and he's still like a jerk, so getting in arguments
on the court and like slapping women in the ass really,
swear to god. Yeah, we don't go for that around here, now,
you know what I'm saying. You know, it's funny.

Speaker 4 (45:47):
The only experience I have with anything like that is
when we used to play tennis.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah. I I didn't play. We didn't play tennis in school,
but me, you, Dad, and Dan would play tennis. Grudge match,
grudge matches. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
We none of us knew how to play. We just
played all the time, all the time, right, yep. Remember
when I spiked you in the face.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Right in the face. It's terrible. My lips welled up.
I felt so bad, dude, you were laughing. It was
funny at first, and that the blood with my own
socks you did, so you did take your sock off
and soak up the blood from your face. Yep.

Speaker 4 (46:22):
I'll never forget you had like in like twenty minutes,
your lips looked like like Daffy duck Man.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Yeah, like this, I probably should have went to the
doctors or something. Now, it's like in Goushia, not a
big deal. Throw some raw steak on there, that's it man.
And we were on vacation, right, yep. You remember that.
It was a clay court and they just like rolled
out the courts and we destroyed them.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
We were so because we would play angry, so we'd
be like smashing the rackets in the ground.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Dude, it looked like it looked like a war field
because it was the right footwear too, yes, which I
think that we were work boots, yeah, work boots and
cut off jeans, you know with the pockets sticking out. Yeah. Yeah,
that was a time share. It was a time share.
That was I think that was up in the Poconos, Connecticut,

(47:13):
one of the two. I remember. We were out of
our class a few Yeah, we were. And I remember
to Connecticut.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Yeah, you know, yes, they all had eyes odd shirts
on and their sweaters tied around their waists. We were
coming in with work boots and uh, cut off sleeve.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Shirts yelling at each other. Yeah. Yeah, dang it, man.
We had a lot of fun back then. You know.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
We were I think about like how we were like
even before the show. But when it first started, we
were in total Neanderthals. Yeah, like grunting Neanderthals, completely unrefined
everywhere we went.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yep, still am still a little bit of that leftover?
Still are yeah? Still is this is good? But no, Yeah,
I hear you see in the world and doing things
like that. I think they really bring you out of that.
I guess that that what do you call it, like
the towny white trash mentality where it's a real small

(48:12):
thing and everybody feels that they could learn everything from TV.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
I think you're right, man, you know it's cult. It's
actually culturing that does it. That's why people think being
cultured is so important. And really we didn't have any
of that until the show afforded us travel because I
think before the show, the furthest I ever went was
Florida one time, you know what I mean, like on
a plane that was for my senior class trip. So
like when the show kicked in, I was twenty six,

(48:38):
and then before we were going everywhere and we started
experiencing like fine dining and culture and you know, all
different areas, different countries.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
I do think that helps. And I also think you
just maybe because it's humbling to be h yeah, kicked
Hey did he kicked out of some nice places? Right? Yeah?
I think just when you when you go to a
place like you know, in English breakfast, you know, it's
the same breakfast everywhere you're not used to. Yeah, just croissants, people,
the way things are driving on the left hand side

(49:09):
of the road. I think all that in a way
is kind of humbling. It is. It gives you some perspective,
you know, it makes you appreciate home, you know. Yeah,
I don't know. What do you think? You think Paul
Senior got more refined over time? Possibly? I think he's
become more civilized. Yeah, yeah, that's good.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
I think that comes with age, right, Yes, it doesn't have.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
To, but no, it does, but it seems to with him.
He seems to have mellowed, mellow but under under it all,
oh he's a beast. Beast. Yeah, he's one of the kind.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
You were just out there, right, I was just down
there in Florida, were you guys? We're helping build stuff
or yeah, what do we do? What do we do?

Speaker 1 (49:56):
We do? Like YouTube stuff?

Speaker 4 (50:00):
I love that you go out there and help him, man.
I think that's that's nice. Yeah, well he's an old dobber.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Yeah, it's an old Yeah, talk about your site going right,
I can't see anything. Yeah, that's what happens though, And
he almost kills someone on the way to work every day,
really every day daily basis. Yeah, now the highway is
pretty tough, but this is there's a couple of times
where he's going to merge over like four lanes during
rush hour, you know, yeah, and he comes really close

(50:26):
to people and down there they don't honk like the
wooden Jersey or New York really a finger or something
that you know you did something wrong, really like New Yorkers,
not at all. They break and almost he was almost
like whales they break it look scared. Yep. He's like
you beep your hord Yep. No, he doesn't notice it happens.
He's just drifting them off the road. Yeah, I'm telling you,

(50:48):
I look through the rear view and grab the old
ship bar. You know, it's like, what's the matter, what's
the matter with you? You're like, no, no, no, nothing,
we made it. Just keep going straight. I thought I
saw something that's funny. Well, good man, this is great.
We gotta do this more. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
I wasn't sure what we were going to talk about
because I didn't want to beat the heck out of
the show, you know, because I'm everybody talks about that.
I think it's just I think it's fun to get
together and just talk.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
I think, so just open it up, you know. Did
you want to talk about the show? We could? I mean,
it's up to you, man. I want I want, you know,
I want to be a good host.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
We could talk about the show more. You want to
hear about the show, Nate does?

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Nate? Nate's a big fan, dude? Are you a fan? Nate?
What do you want to hear about? Like? What what
kind of things?

Speaker 3 (51:34):
You know?

Speaker 1 (51:34):
You were twenty six? You had what twenty two to
twenty three? I guess, so yeah, just like what was
that like twenty three changing? You know, cameras in your
face at twenty two to twenty three? Yeah, what'd you
think of the show?

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Like on an overall basis, like from the inception? I
think that's a good question. So, like you so you
came in I think Black Widow. I think the first
two episodes you were not in, which were the pilots,
But I think you were in the Black Widow first
episode of the series.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Okay, yes, is that all right? I believe? So, I mean,
what was your feeling on it? You know what's crazy? Like? Okay,
So if I look at our history when you were
a kid, you were making you were.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Making like spoof films from when you were very young,
like you have all these videotapes. It reminds me a
little bit of the Goldbergs.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I found an old one you did, yeah, sixteen twelve,
really when I was sixteen or twelve. Yeah, it's a Camquarder.
Mom got me my own dad got me for Christmas? Yes, secondhand.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Yeah, this kid man he made all kinds of spoof
films and it was mostly based on like the current
affairs at the time, the Karragan thing, remember the whole skate.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yeah. I played Nancy Kerrigan and Paul played the guy.
Bashes are in the leg true, you have that still, right,
I do. I played for you.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
You would love to see that. This is fantastic stuff.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
It was fun. So you always seen to.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Have an inclination to have be on camera or behind
the camera in some capacity, from when you were twelve, ten, eleven.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Yeah, fourteen, yeah, right, yeah, always loved it.

Speaker 4 (53:13):
So America Chopper, what was it like for you, like
coming onto the scene would you think of it? Did
you think it was good bad? Were you just kind
of going with it? Did you think there was opportunity
for you? I thought it was a great a great
alternative to doing iron work. Yeah right, I really hated
doing iron work.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Yes you did. You hated it, but it was exciting. Yeah, yeah,
it was very exciting, you know, just having cameras and
the average person. You know, I think everybody wants to
be on TV. I think you're right, you know what
I mean. Like at one point or another there was
a fascination with fame and the possibility of, like, you know,
getting the hell out of your small town existence. I

(53:54):
thought that was that was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, sure,
But it was fun film in the show, Yeah, I
had a good I had a good time filming the segments.
It was a good run. Man. In the travel, even
though the travel was insane at times, it was some
some less exotic places that you got to go to repetitively, I.

Speaker 4 (54:12):
Will say it was insane when I look back at
those first you know, a couple of years, dude, especially
Cohen from Never leaving Montgomery to being everywhere yep, and
then the fame aspect of it, I think was I
had some anxiety involved.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
For me. I felt a little anxious about at the time.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
We were like, I remember going to the mall when
you used to still go to the mall, and it
was like, you do huh, sure they exist malls?

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Yeah, I make friends in the bathroom. They kind of do.
I still a stand up comedian at the at the
Palisades Mall. Yeah, he was making fun of malls. Oh really, yeah,
he's like, where the fuck? That's funny? What are we
saying though?

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Nothing, just reminiscent a little about the early days of
American chopper and kind of oh.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah, being overwhelmed with being approached by people and being
asked the same questions by people yeah or yeah. You
don't get an even shake with anybody. They all have
a premonition, they do. They have some idea of what
they expect. Although I will say the perks were pretty sweet,
pretty sweet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
What I'm talking about, Like carpet, red carpet rolled out
everywhere everywhere we went.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
We they rolled it out for us everywhere, you know.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Oh the oh yeah, getting you know, I just mean
like anywhere you go to a restaurant, they bring you in.
If there's always it's never booked, you could go always
room for you to come in, you know what I mean,
Like a lot of perree desserts free. Sometimes people would
be buy the whole meal, you know. And if they
did that, and they didn't Paul Senior did, that was
the best part part.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
So nice steak. Yeah, I miss not paying for meals.
I don't even go out to eat anymore. I don't
go out to eat when I go down to visit Dad.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
Oh yeah, he goes out to eat a lot every
night really for him many Yeah, a whole other phase
of the of the day. He's a vegetarian, right, has
been for a decade maybe longer.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Yeah, Well, I don't know. How do you made his
uh health a lot better? I think you're probably right, huh,
because he had that heart problem at one point, right,
and then I think he had to bring down his
cholesterol and everything, and he just went straight to vegetarian, yeah,
or pescatarian.

Speaker 4 (56:38):
Right, he eats some fish, right, Yes, that's better. That's
I think that's more balance. There's protein, you know, I
think that's a better balance, you know, especially from a
health standpoint. But he looks good, man. I saw him
on a thing. He's building a bike, his sky man.
I hope I look like like he does at his age.

Speaker 1 (56:57):
Man, you know, like he's looking so good. Yeah, right, yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Almost think he looks better than he did five years ago.
He might, you know, five years ago he's in bad shape,
was he?

Speaker 2 (57:12):
No?

Speaker 1 (57:13):
I don't know. Oh, he looked like hell, but it's possible. Yeah,
he looks great though. Yeah. I think he's benched two
forty is he? Yep? Good for him? Man, yeah, cheese, yep.
And he's what seventy six now, seventy five? Seventy six, yes,
seventy five, yeah, maybe seventy six? In May? Right? May first?
May first? Yeah, that's like right day, May first? Right?

(57:37):
Is that May Day? I don't know. It's like a
red flag day, May hammer and sickle day? Possibly? Is it? Really?
I don't know what's May first? Anything important? It's May first? Right? Yeah? God, jeez,
at least I remember his birthday, you know what I mean? Mike? Oh,

(58:01):
you know that's just never gonna happen. I call you
know what I say that one side smiling in the
other side, crying. You know what I mean? International Workers Day?

Speaker 4 (58:13):
Is that what it is? That sounds about right? And
he's a real worker, he's a worker man. Guy's working
right now.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I call that on my birthday every year. You're a
bigger man than me. Bro I call him on my birthday.
Whether or not he'll say anything, but he doesn't. Never. Never,
I'll talk to you. I'll talk to you.

Speaker 4 (58:32):
Anything uh going on today?

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Anything new? Any any important?

Speaker 4 (58:38):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Anything important about today? Anything you can think? Nothing? Nothing?
All right, I'm going, well, I gotta go. Yeah, what
the hell are you talking about? But I think that's
everybody's dad. Everybody's dad used to forget, used to forget anniversaries,

(58:58):
Valentine's Day and day.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
Yeah, you know, I feel like from that capacity, I
remember being young and hearing dad talk and getting so
mad at him for saying every other word wrong, even
getting people's names wrong. And now I find myself doing
the same exact thing, and it pisses me off so bad.
I'm why do I say that person's name wrong again?

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Yeah? Freddie Fred? Yeah? And now I got a ten
year old to correct me. His name's Tony. Keep calling
fred right right, yeah, even with Tara Terra. Tara, No,
it's Tara Terra. I like Tara though, I do too,
but it's not her name. You know, things, right, I know,
he never gets anything right now. You think he says

(59:38):
he wants to go to Walmarts with an ass like
he's going to more than one. Yeah, or it's someone
he knows name Walmart's houses warts. It's all right, though, man,
I love it. Yeah, I think that's charming. Man. I
do too. Man, it's like a Yogi bear thing. You know.
We're constantly getting sayings wrong and whatnot.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Yeah, I'm telling you, man, through the years, you know,
me and Dad butted heads back in the day. But
the more time goes by, the more I appreciate all
of it, even the bad, you know. And I just
appreciate his contribution to what the show really was, you
know what I'm saying, sure, because it wouldn't have been
what it was without his volatility and over the top insanity.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Yep, he's a big potato. Yeah, yeah, he was the
big potato there and lucky he didn't have a heart
attack with some of them. I know there was a
lot of them too. I'm gonna talk to Rick about that.
I want to know, act you.

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
I want to know about how he felt about our blowouts.
They were scary back in the day. I was scared.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
You remember all the blowouts in the in the Iron
Work show. That was insane because everybody was even younger younger, Yeah,
so you'd just be going insane. And then there were
a bunch of crazy people that worked there, and they
were just like you know, and you know anytime.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
So the number one question, I think the number one
question about the show has always been is that real?

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
And I've always had to defend the position because it
seems so surreal, right, Yeah, but like to your point,
I tell everybody it was real.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Way before television there was. How bad were the blowouts?

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
When I was younger in my teens, there were bloody
massacres and everybody had to deal with it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Everybody had to deal with it, all the shrapnel, Yeah,
all those poor nuclear fallout just all those poor scabs,
little scabby iron workers. Right. Yeah, that's a weird thing
that we grew up doing ironwork, right, which is like
way before the age you're supposed to be doing it. Yes,

(01:01:39):
you're supposed to twelve eighteen. Yeah, well twelve, I think
you could work it like with working papers. Maybe fourteen,
but that wasn't I don't think an iron work and
that is like by law eighteenth. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
I think Dad wanted me be. He never wanted me
to go to school. He always wanted me to work
for the business. And he you know, he just I
remember he would have to do my homework work.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
With me, and he would just do it. He would
not do it with me. He would do my homework
and it would be done. And I used to love that.
No ship, that's the nast it was the best.

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
I didn't learn anything. He figured if I was dumb,
I could never go to college.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
I think I got you. Keep your working yep, yep,
you reading tape measures and building railings. Right, stay in
the family biz. I was gonna say about the iron
work iron workers non union, yeah, non union iron workers. Man,
what a bunch of characters, though, you know, like, who

(01:02:36):
the hell does that? And you're you're not earning like
a union wage. That could have been a reality show.
I think big time. Maybe I'll make a film about it,
iron workers. I got a title for it, what child labor? Seriously,
I like that because you know, real child labor. Back
they had the laws and you know they're putting words

(01:02:59):
immature kers. Yeah, and there was a lot of that. Yeah.
It was a lot of fun and a lot of characters.
You know, everybody with a cigarette hanging out of their mouth. Yea, yeah,
everyone smoked porn paint thinner into like in a bunch
of drinking paint thinner, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Yeah, I'm telling you there was no uh, there was
no safety anything either. We never wore safety glasses, We
never wore masks. Grinding all day. Everything you use in
the steel business has a cancer warning label on the back.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
You know. We would use you old motor oil and
like a tin man, that's right, that's right. Put it
on the drill bit. That's right for drilling all that
chancy drills. Uh what else? Oh, just well red lead
paint we that are still hot, Yeah, yeah, just right,

(01:03:50):
put the paint right on the hot weld. Yeah. Those
were the days, man.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
Yeah, no, no no heat out in the outside shop,
ice cold concrete floors.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Yeah, they had some radiant going on, right.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
Not back in the day, man, We had like burn
barrels going on, you know, end of the world stuff
the end of the world, man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
That's fun. And then also taking like a bunch of
steel that's still wet, you know, like stringers and eyebeams
and whatnot, and then figuring out whether or not to
cradle it or choke it or use the strap. You know.
We pick it up with a crane, you know, and
you'd have to move it too, like two different cranes
before you can move it to the big crane outside.
And half the time they'd be like some the load

(01:04:32):
would just like slide and fall over, almost kill someone.
Then they get yelled at for dropping it, you know
what I mean, while they're like, you know, one of
our friends is taking weekend work crazy, Yes, all my friends,
all my friends work there. They all hated it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:45):
Yeah, just covered in paint, Yeah, just brush paint and
eye beams all day long, hating it, hating it. Yeah,
And then they wouldn't show up, and I looked like
a jerk.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
You know. I think it's understandables how it goes. Yeah,
the job suck. Yeah, I would have quit. As your
deadbeat friend. He's not coming, he doesn't feel Yeah, he
made more money delivering pizzas. Yeah, exactly. He's gonna go
back to doing that, something that maybe a story people
will know, or something interesting, like a moment off camera.

(01:05:17):
What do you think. I think maybe apparent a flight
that almost went down. Yeah, that was sketchy, man. I
don't know if that qualifies.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
It was a little private jet, right, yea, some of that. Yeah,
we used to fly private a lot back in the day.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
We did. I think some some of the judgment, Like
with a private flight or a small flight like that,
it's not up to major airlines, so it's just up
to like one guy or the the jet or the
the pilot. That's a lot for one.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Yeah, we did have one flight where I did think
I was I was pretty sure we might be going down, man.
And even even the pilots were like looking back, nervous,
you know, when you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Were flipping all the switches and whatnot, you know, and
like pulling levers and doing hail man. We were throwing
all the luggage off the airplane. May day, may day.
I guess it's not a full story there, but no,
but that's a true story. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
I'll never forget because turbulence kicked in and you know
that plane, I remember it drop and had to drop
like a couple of hundred feet straight down, like like
the plane went out from under it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
You're like, oh, hey, you know your stomach kind of
cave down. That was staring. What about Tempe, We went
right through the Keys of the city. But they told yeah,
they told me they were gonna give you the keys
of the city. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
So Michael back in the day, you know, Michael's comic
relief for the show, did a great job. Really honestly,
made made my father come out of his craziness quite often.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Like it was a good role. Michael played a really
good buddy.

Speaker 4 (01:06:57):
But over time and wearing down of travel and it's
so many appearances and demand.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
Or two, people would get like that hungover. He was
drinking problem. He did, right, Yeah, yeah, you know, but
I feel like I didn't help. Maybe not at the time,
but I feel like over time his role in the
show and people's assumptions about him about taking out the

(01:07:25):
trash all the time, I might have been taking myself
a little too soon. The Tempe mayor was he was
out of line. He was out of.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Line, Michael. So they tell him there he's getting the
keys to the city. I think he's kind of excited
about getting the keys to the city.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Talking. When I was younger, I lived in Tempe, right yep.
I came back home tail between my legs, and I thought, hey,
I'm going to go back out there and kick some ans.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
It was your day of redemption, he did. I remember
when we were kids, very young. He moved to Tempe.
He had like five different jobs, couldn't keep a job.
He was all over the place, all over And then
so they say they're going to give him the keys
to the city. Now, keep in mind, this is a
show that we're doing where that we're shut the highway down.
There was that many people there. I mean, it was
just mass chaos back then, right, And so they tell him, hey,

(01:08:15):
they're going to give.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Them the keys to the city. So he's excited, right, excited.
So he gets called up there. We're all up on stay.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Yeah, that's what he was thinking, right, thinking, Sure enough,
what did they end up doing? Giving you the keys
to the dumpster.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Like janitor's keys? And the guy went down like a
like a spray painted key ring, like a Janitor's key ring. Terrible.
It was like bad for him. And then the mayor
went down the list of the different like shitty things
that you can in lock with the keys. I think
he was trying to be a sewer system and all that,
like whatever. Yeah, we could probably find that. I think

(01:08:51):
that was on the show. I'm pretty sure we couldn't
find the keys. I threw the keys, you threw the keys.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
He I never seen him so angry after all that.
The guy hands him the keys. He just akes the
keys and chucks them into the crowd, like throws them
as far as he can.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
He literally said f you to the guy. That was
rock and roll. Man, you're pissed. Man. I don't know
if anyone would know that story. I don't think so,
because it never really got any focus. Let's talk about rehab. Rehab, kid,
you don't have to talk about rehabit. You talk about rehab, yeah,

(01:09:24):
ask away because that was I don't man, I don't
think too much about rehabit like I think highly of it.
I just don't think very often. Yeah, yeah matter, man,
I don't know, man. I thought it was fucking awesome,
you really. Yeah, it was a real rest right because
they needed help. Yes, you need bak, I need the break,
and there was nothing going to give you a break
at that time because we were so busy with the

(01:09:46):
show or or obligations to different things. And uh yeah,
I had a good time in there. I made good
friends with my uh my, my roommate Jamie. I didn't
like too many other people, but it didn't matter. And
most everybody there was oxy Cotton. Oh yeah, that was
the big. Uh. There was one drunk who was guilty

(01:10:08):
of shitting and pissing himself almost every night. Wow, he
looked a lot like Johnny Cash. Oh did he? Yeah?
I thought that was kind of cool. But the rest
of them were kind of like just uh pill pill heads. Yeah,
pill heads college, that's pretty common. Man, pills are real problem.
Oh they're big, big, big. I'll tell you, man, you
were bad. We were worried about you. You guys are

(01:10:30):
worried about you. Were raging alcoholic in a way, like
it was scary. No, I know, his life threatening very much.
So you guys had to read me letters. We did
intervention letters. Yeah, it helped, seemed like it, right, absolutely, Yeah,
we had a inventions, didn't we complete intervention? Like just
like you see on intervention, Just like you see sometimes

(01:10:53):
I watch it. It makes me sick. I kind of
change the chat like I can't do this, but it
was effective. I could see how it's effective.

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
Yeah, you took it to heart and you you did
good man with the rehab. The best thing you ever
did started on the path. Yeah, that's kept you alive.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
Yeah. I don't think you'd be around right now. That'd
be really you'd be in really bad shape. I'd be dead,
I think so, I think so. Yeah, when was that?
What year was that was it? What was it fifteen?
I think it was thirty three, and you're forty six now, yes,
so thirteen years ago. Okay, and there's a little petering
out in there. You know, I do it right, but

(01:11:30):
nothing uh, nothing like a full on relapse. That'd probably
been eight nine years without a drink completely. That's great.
Seven eight, I don't know, six seven four three three
three days, four days, twenty minutes. I'm a little parched tilt,
I have any libations.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
And you drank hardcore wo like liquor straight up oh scotch.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Really Yeah. I had my phases because I had a
lot of drunk friends, so it was really easy. Yeah
that was the thing, dude. Your group of friends went
hard bro. Yeah, they love drinking. They loved drinking yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
It was their favorite pastime. And bar drinking too, like
everyone was at the bars, right, yeah, dives too. Yeah,
it's a little cheaper, but yeah. I went through the
uh vod katonic phase, you know, bod katonic with lime
white Russians when I first started watching Big Lebowski and

(01:12:31):
uh yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Then I landed on Scotch. I really love Scotch and
Jack Daniels not mixed, but you know, yeah separately. Oh man, yeah,
nice peating that glorification. Yeah, don't do it. I was
talking really miss smoking joint, you know, when you just
got it rolled and you liqued, you know, and it
was just sitting there was a glorification. Oh yeah. They

(01:12:55):
shut you right down on that. Trying to get everyone drooling,
I guess. But at the same time you're kind of
it's a lament yeeah. Yeah, but it yeah, it's not
I couldn't glorify it. It's life threatening. Yeah. Well I'm glad.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
I'm glad you did the right thing, man, because some
longevity there, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Yeah. Yeah, it's that stuff's no good for your attitude
if you're going to take it out of control. That's true.
If you're to take it if you're going to be excessive,
you know, which I can't help, would be excessive, right,
I have the same problem. It's like something I can't help.

Speaker 4 (01:13:30):
We're all extremists. Yeah, if one like, if one's good,
twelve is better.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Yep. So if you like the steak, you want to
have a steak like three, you know, three weeks in
a row. That's right, every day until you until you
can't stand steak. Yeah, but it was really hard to
get sick of alcohol. Yeah, not sick from alcohol.

Speaker 4 (01:13:50):
I think the big thing about alcohol is, you know,
it relieves future stress, like immediately, like when you look
into the future and you have a few drinks, all
of a sudden, it's not scary anymore. I think that,
to me is the biggest value the rest of it.
There's nothing else good about it, well really, Yeah. The
thing I miss the most is when you let your

(01:14:11):
hair down.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Yeah, yeah, a little bit, man, Yeah, shoulders and everything
like that. Now, you're right, I mean I still smoke,
you know, but it doesn't do the same thing. Yeah,
you know. Yeah, alcohol takes the edge off. Baby. Let's
go get drunk, let's go.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
Fire it back up, man, damn, let's go go on
a freaking three week run.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Let's do it, man, we should just get Yeah, we
should go in your basement and start drinking some's what's
the ship? Do you do it right here? Man, let's
come back in like an hour, we'll start. There's literally
a bar two blocks away. No, actually not even it's
like two houses down. You know, when I was drinking
at the end, COMPARI, what is that? It tastes like
bitter shit? Really, yeah, it's real bitter at bitter sounds terrible,

(01:14:57):
it's disgusting. But I was drinking until I wouldn't want
to drink anything anymore now, and then I started liking campari. Damn,
that's bad. Yeah. I had a lot of confidence, a
lot more confidence with the ladies then, you know, yeah, yeah,
I don't ask anyone to dance too stiff. Used to
kick the door down, Hi kick hiki, running slide on

(01:15:19):
my knees, you know, Elvis style? Yeah, I like it.
Crash a wedding over Anthony's pere nine with Earl. You
did that? A couple of them really sneak in start dancing.
If you start dancing, they let you hang out anywhere.
Was that right, I guess yeah. Gosh, Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:15:37):
Well listen, it's been good talking to you, man. I
would like to do this more often. We could just
sit here and talk. I don't even care.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
We're just talking, you know what I'm saying, Just talking,
just talking. What's the name of this show? Paul Junior Podcast.
That's yeah, yeah, it's pretty simple. Not like the over
there or the song, the Rigid Pod podcast, t Rex podcast,
just straight up Paul Junior Podcast kind of rolls nice,

(01:16:06):
Paul Jr. Podcast, Like the drag Bars podcast, you know,
Paul Junior's drag bar podcast. Oh you mean like like
drag bars, like like like like a motorcycle handle bars. Yeah. Oh,
that's not what it sounded like. I didn't that's the
worst possible, man, drag bars, drag I like it. Yeah,

(01:16:31):
well it was the show I hate hearing myself talk.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
You sound great, thanks, you know, thanks, well, thanks for
coming on. Paul Junior's drag Bars podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
You know, yeah, drag bars. Well listen, let's let's everyone
hear it for Mikey Tuttle. Shoot, all right, cool, thanks Mike,
thank you