Episode 5 - Shotgun

Justice Has Long Hair and Builds a Tank

This week on The PM Entertainment Podcast, we take aim at SHOTGUN (1989) — a gritty, grimy, utterly bonkers blast of renegade justice straight from the PM vault.

Meet Ian “Shotgun” Jones: an incredibly tall, long-haired, trilby-wearing, hot-headed cop with a name that tells you everything you need to know. When his sister — a sex worker — is murdered by a brutal, masked psychopath, Shotgun goes on a no-holds-barred quest for vengeance. But wait, there’s more! After getting suspended for being too much of a badass, Shotgun takes a gig as a bounty hunter and uncovers a full-blown drug empire run by a twisted lawyer with a fortress in Mexico. Oh — and in the final act? He teams up with a desert-dwelling hermit survivalist and builds a tank.
That's right. You heard us.
All of it set to a bad-ass soundtrack that sounds like a renegade keyboardist scored a fever dream in an alley behind a strip club.

Joining us to break down all the sleaze-soaked, renegade-cop, blood-splattered chaos is the always entertaining Moe Von Helvete (formerly of Drunk on VHS and No Budget Nightmares). Plus, we’ve got a quick clip from PM All-Star Paul G. Volk, who worked the boom mic on the film, edited it and has a story or two of his own. It’s violent. It’s sweaty. It’s morally questionable.

This is SHOTGUN, and it’s very PM Entertainment.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You have had the entertainment podcast. Hello and welcome to

(01:02):
an all new episode of the PM Entertainment Podcast, The
show that shines a light on the plucky filmmaking entrepreneurship
of mister Richard Peppin and mister Joseph Mehe that blazed
an exceptional trail of straight to video gems from nineteen
eighty nine to the year two thousand films where your
willingness to hang from a helicopter, throw yourself through plateglass
and light yourself on fire was a more highly cherished

(01:23):
skill than, say, giving a good line reading or the
ability to emote. However, if you could wear an enormous
trilby hat atop your blonde ponytail, you are a shoe in.
I'm your host, John Crass, and don't forget. If you
like the show, please remember to rate and review us
on any of the podcasting platforms you use, share our
Facebook posts, like comment, and you can contact us via

(01:45):
our email pm entpod at gmail dot com. That's pm
e ntpod at gmail dot com. Our guest this week
is a man who, in the parlance of my home country,
knows his onions. For many years he hosted the podcasts,
drunk on VHS and no budget Nightmares, And before that,

(02:06):
he consumed movies on VHS with the same insane zeal
of a PM Entertainment car chase, crashing through every fruit
stand in a five mile radius. He plays a mean
drum kit, drums a mighty ukulele, and plays video games
to an Olympic level. He might not have the shotgun
of Jones, but he most definitely has the smooth voice
and rye humor of Mo Mo von Helveata. That is, sir,

(02:30):
welcome to the PM Entertainment Podcast. Yes, sir, not a moment.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Too soon, Not a moment too soon.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
You know that if I am doing a show strictly
based on movies that lived their best life on VHS,
that at some point we're going to get round to you,
my friend.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Oh yeah, of course. Indeed, how could you.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Not, How could we not have the Internet's foremost authority
on all things tape head?

Speaker 2 (02:59):
So please, oh please don't please don't look.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Look maybe maybe in twenty ten, twenty eleven, these days.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
Well you don't even want to know.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
No, I know, I know there are people out there
that that know every corner of this world. But we
we in our own way are experts on our own niches,
and I know your niche kind of goes to like
something weird and more sort of the the horror, you know,
post apocalyptic, weirdo action stuff. And sex rumps.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
I was gonna say, let's not forget sex rhyms.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Oh, I will never forget sex RUMs. So I will
never forget them because they again, I mean, I could
easily be doing the sex rum podcast, but instead I
chose to do the PM ten podcast. But PM Entertainment
have their dwances with sex rumps. They did Bikini Summer one,
two and three.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I remember Bikini Summer for sure.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
So maybe when we get round to those movies we'll
back on. You know.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
The funny I mean, the funny thing is if you
do ever start a sex romp podcast co host right here.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yes a thousand percent. No, I mean listen, we'll definitely
be covering the slightly stranger elements of PM like, for example,
Bikini Summer and films like Little Bigfoot. So when we
get things like that mode, no doubt I'll be calling
you again. But I thought this particular movie suited you
down to the ground a little bit. But we'll get

(04:26):
into that in just a moment. All the listeners are
on tent to hooks to find out all about you. First,
So have you always been I sort of said, you know,
you were more into sort of horror and weirdo kind
of shot on video grungey kind of grindhouse movies. But
have you also always been into action films even from

(04:46):
an early age?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, you know, I grew up in you know, I
came of age in the heyday of ridiculous action films.
You know, I remember, and of course you know I
grew grew up here. Here's something that's gonna that's going
to date me, uh quite a bit. Is I grew
up in the days of black boxes?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Do you remember?

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Do you know what a black box is?

Speaker 1 (05:10):
I mean I know, No, No, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
I'm talking about back when cable was starting to get
its footing.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Oh I see, yes, the thing that allowed you to get.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
And like my my dad was pretty good for for
not much, but I'll tell you, you know, he always seemed
to find a way to get his hands on those
black boxes, and they'd get updated every now and again
because you know, the cable companies would catch on to
people using them, so he would get a new one.
I don't know where he got him. I don't know

(05:45):
how he got him, but he always did anyway. So
that that let me get access to, you know, all
of the best channels. I always had, you know, for
a good chunk of my childhood, I always had Showtime,
I always had HBO, I always had Cinemax and you know,
and there was always just dirt piss, poor action films

(06:09):
and you know, skin flicks and all that other stuff.
And man, I think there was like a month where, well,
I mean, I can tell you right now, there was
a month during the summer, one of the summers when
I was a kid, where I think it was Showtime
or Cinemax played Surviving the Game every single day for

(06:31):
the entire month, and I was on vacation, so I
watched it every single day for the entire month. And
I think to date it might still be at the
top of my most watched films list, which is a
ridiculous thing to say out loud. You know, what's the

(06:52):
movie you've seen in the most in your life. Oh,
I don't know, probably Iced tea seminal classic Surviving the Game.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Listen, you are speaking language here at the PM and
ten podcast. There is nothing wrong with the iced Tea
seminal Classic Survival rules. It does rule and PM Entertainment.
I believe they definitely had a distribution deal with HBO.
I don't know if they did Cinemax as well, although

(07:18):
I have heard from others who are PM fans or
straight to video action fans that Cinemax did show a
lot of these movies as well. So the interesting thing
about PM Entertainment, and thing that you know, we've talked
a lot about, is that they never chased the theatrical screening.
They they were a straight to video model rather than

(07:41):
you know, the Cannon model where they went going around
trying to buy up every bit of real estate and
own every theater they possibly could, much to their obviously downfall.
PM just were kind of like, we're just going to
make movies, and we're going to make like ten movies
a month, and we're going to do that for ten
years more or less. So that's how these came about.
Can you remember mo when you first came across specifically

(08:05):
a PM Entertainment film or did you not in those
days even sort of categorize them or recognize them as
sort of different production companies.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
It wouldn't have been until I was in my you know,
seventeen eighteen. But when I really started to pay attention,
I kind of got into like the movie game late.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
For guys like.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Us, a lot of us tend to discover films and
that being a thing that they're that they're a fan of.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
I hear a lot of like ten eleven, twelve, you know,
when they first started filed. I was like seventeen when,
you know, like I had seen a bunch of movies,
but like it wasn't anything I was going out of
my way.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
You'd see it Surviving the Game.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, I'd seen Surviving the Game a lot, you know.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
And I and like basically anything that came to TV
I saw, so, like, you know, I was introduced to
horror films way young, like way too young.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
I saw Friday the No Sorry.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
I saw a Nightmare on Elm Street when it did
its first run on the pay channels, and uh, you know,
and and you got to remember, you know, I'm eight
nine years old at that point, maybe even a little younger.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
And I saw that. I saw that movie at.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
Like three o'clock in the morning because I couldn't sleep,
and I went out to go watch TV in the
living room and you know, because that's where the black
Box was, and yeah, and it was on and I'm like,
holy shit, this is terrifying. I didn't sleep for like
three days after that, you know. And then and then
I started, you know, i'd catch some of these weird

(09:39):
weirdo not weirdo, but you know, like these these action
movies where like, you know, like anything Schwartzenegger.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
You know. I was always a big fan.

Speaker 3 (09:50):
I liked Stallone, you know, but it wasn't really until
I hit into my like mid to late teens where
like I really started to recognize and like like we
would go tape shopping, like you know, thrifting, and you know,
you look on the side of the box You're like, ooh,
this one's polygon, I'm taking this, this one's cannon, I'm
taking this, you know. Yeah, and you know, and it

(10:12):
was it was my my buddy Bosh, who you know,
he was on.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
The He was on our first episode, him and his
brother were on our first episode.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah, yeah, he you know, he was the one who
really started getting obsessive about finding PM tapes, you know,
that was his thing.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, the two of them, Well.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
They did. They did The Sweeper, which Boss still claims
to this day is like his basically his favorite movie
or one of his favorite movies.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
That doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, I mean, if you can, if you can watch
see Thomas Howell with a with a Van Dyke beard
and in a leather waistcoat over a white T shirt
running about knocking pups off the top of buildings or whatever,
then uh, you know, if if that, if float your
boat at that age, you know you're done for life.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
I think it's true.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
I mean in a good way, in a good way, Yeah,
for sure.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
So did you put together that PM then sort of
hanging out with Tie people know him as Tie on
the show, hanging out with Tie and and and others?
Did you put together that PM was a company kind
of putting out lots of different films or did that
knowledge kind of come later?

Speaker 5 (11:23):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Absolutely?

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah absolutely.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
You know, like I said, we'd go thrifting, and we
all had little checklists of things we were looking for,
and I and or we had mental notes of what
what you know ourselves and the others, you know, me
and and Brett and I never call him Tie, but
you know, Bosh what the stuff that we liked. Uh,

(11:47):
So we would always be on the lookout for all
that stuff. And you just see it in PM Entertainment,
PM Entertainment, you know.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
And now now I have my own collection. In fact,
this this people can't see it, but the screen behind
me is all my own VHS tapes and having them
all on a shelf with the PM Entertainment logo on
the side. It's it's mighty. In fact, sometimes you know,
because there are other VHS distributing companies put out some

(12:15):
of the movies, Like there's a version of Rage that
doesn't have the PM logo on it. If I find
a copy of a movie already have but it's the
PM Entertainment logo version, I buy that. Yeah, that's how
insane I am, because I like all the logos lined up,
and they changed the logo on the tapes like three times,
but I don't care.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
I was that way with media boxes, you know, like
I always or especially like the earlier media boxes because
they changed after a while and they started doing more
generic covers, but they always had really great box art,
and I you know, I owned so many movies that
I only owned them because they had cool box art,
you know, like I'm some of them, like you just

(12:58):
never watch them, right, It's just like I don't care
about this movie.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
I care about this box art.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah, but that's see, I don't know. In this day,
this day and age of relentless, unforgiving judgment of people,
I no longer have any judgment of people what they
want to collect, what brings them joy, what they want
to spend time with, because let's just reach for the

(13:24):
joy that's and if joy comes from ludicrous box art,
and and the movie that we're we're doing on this episode, Wow,
does that have some fantastic box art, especially especially the
large chrome letters with the OH prominent in the middle
is quite a favorite. And the woman on the front

(13:44):
cover that is not in the movie and in fact,
in fact made her career being on the front of
VHS movies that she was not in amazing. So the
the only bit of trivia on this movie on on
IMDb is about that woman and the fact that it

(14:06):
just says the statue esque blonde who is featured on
the film's poster doesn't actually appear on screen. She is
the same Blonde, who was the poster girl for another
film called Fortress of America with Three K's, which we've
all seen as well from nineteen eighty nine, in which
she also did not appear on screen. Listen, it's good
work if you can get it, heyk you and and

(14:29):
she has the how do we say this diplomatically? She
has the she has the looks to fill out a
VHS Coverlet does that work?

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yeah, she has.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
She has very large tracks of land.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yes. So lastly, before we before I get down to
it and start giving people some interesting information about the
movie that we're going to cover. Do you have either
a favorite PM entertainm film or a favorite PM entertainment
film star or actors, martial artist or whatever.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
I do actually have a favorite PM thing. I had
to look through the list on Wikipedia to remind myself
what movies they did, but then I remind then I
was reminded that in nineteen ninety they did an amazing
movie with Eric Estrada called Knight of the Wilding, which
is one of the most ridiculous fucking movies I've ever seen,

(15:28):
and that has always been one of my absolute favorites.
There was another one they did with Yeah, A Time
to Die, that movie they did with Tracy Lawd's Yes,
and the classic Ring of Fire with Don le Dragon Wilson.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Fact, the Ring of Friar trilogy is a really interesting
one because it kind of builds and changes with each movie,
even though they what's wonderful is unlike the Blood Fist
franchise that he does for Roger Corman, where he essentially
is a different character every movie, they just call it
Blood Fist one, two, three, four five. With Ring of Fire,
what's so incredible is he maintains his job as a doctor,

(16:10):
but they maintain it even though by the third one
he's like fighting goons on motorbikes in the hospital allway,
and it has nothing to do with him being a
doctor at So it is fantastic. So, okay, Night of
the Wild Thing. I've made a mental note when we
finally get around to covering that masterpiece, we will have
you back on the show. So all right, So now
onto the film. So our film for this episode is

(16:31):
an early one. It's for PM entertainment anyway, post city lights,
but it's early PM entertainment. It's from nineteen eighty nine.
It's the third PM entertainment film ever made, although they
were all made within the safe few weeks. It is
the Stuart Chapin and Riff Hutton. Those are two great
names right there, starring cacophony of great lines, hard right turn,

(16:54):
plot twists, and the greatest theme song of any PM
film ever.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Maybe any It's a banger.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
It's a banger. That's right. It's the Shotgun of Jones
and Shotgun.

Speaker 6 (17:14):
Nothing it secret from the hood Bober.

Speaker 7 (17:23):
The barber.

Speaker 6 (17:33):
Oh look said they cut the shock Jones.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
It's It's deadly.

Speaker 7 (18:03):
Shot.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
A film destined to become a cult classic, the kind
of film that if you meet another person and you say,
have you ever heard of the film Shotgun? And they
say I love Shotgun, you have a friend for life.
It's written and directed by Addison Randall, who started off
in City Lights with Joe and Rick, making Payback and
starring in Hollow Gate. He would go on to write

(18:26):
and direct East La Warriors, Chance and the Killing Zone.
Was the second unit director of PM film Angels of
the City and also, interestingly the other cult classic Zipper Face,
which is not a PM film, but is very similar
to the kind of vibe and style of Shotgun. To

(18:47):
some extent or certainly the first half of Shotgun so
interesting that Addison Randall worked on both zipper Face, which
is a personal favorite of yours and mine motive It's
fucking true, and Shotgun that when I watched Shotgun, I
was like, this is this has such a zipper Face vibe.
In the first thirty minutes, I was thinking to myself,

(19:07):
I have to have mo On here to cover the movie.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah, I have a note in my in well, in
my notes, I didn't take a lot of notes, but
I took some that I say that I say, Rivington
looks like a low rent zipper Face, Yes, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
And that's what's amazing is that, to some extent, zipper
Face has more of a budget than this.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah, well he's got he's got a full head to
toe sue.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
He's got the full gimson, which would have been a lot,
a lot more useful in this movie because you kind
of go, oh, look, Rivington's the bad guy from the
get go. I'm not spoiling anything. People, within ten minutes
you know exactly who it is. Anyway, the stunt coordinator
for this movie is none other than Broadway Joe Murphy.
Who was the stunt double for Steve Railsback, Lorenzo Lamas,

(19:54):
Bill Paxton, John Savage, and Michael Worth, and was inducted
into the Hollywood Stuntman All of Fame in twenty thirteen.
He would go on to work with PM on everything
from La Heat to Little Bigfoot and so many in between,
including fan faves like Maximum Force, Cia, Codename Alexa, to
Be the Best Directit, Zero Tolerance, T Force, and Steel Frontier.

(20:17):
We definitely have not heard the last of him anyway.
Before we review and chat about the film, it's time
for everyone's favorite now segment of the show. I'm sure
it's time for the PM Entertainment bullet points.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
Points.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
We have incredible song soundtrack, including the immortal lyric the
shotgun of Jones's Deadly Justice, Shadowy suited men who wear glasses,
indoors guns, big blood squibs, a man hanging off a helicopter,
another man falling out of a helicopter, sleazy grindhouse, sex shops,
Hollywood Boulevard hookers, lead Guy and ludicrous Trilby hat boobs,

(21:12):
more boobs, slashed boobs, leather bondage outfits similar to zipper
face punches, shootings, shotgun sister is a prostitute. A man
flagrantly eating a banana in a sex shop. Outrageous dancing
by very ugly white people. Gratuitor's close up of panties
grotuitor shot of deep throat too marquee, A great sad

(21:32):
street walking and neon drenched montage post sister death, balaclavied
bad guys in bartender death, throwing guys off balconies of
cheesy nightclubs. A man shot in the ass with rock salt,
A series of ridiculous hobo outfits for our leading man.
Footchases through Hollywood. A woman throws herself angrily in front

(21:52):
of a moving car in the most heroic display of
Karenism ever seen. Our hero gets hit by a random van,
hand off a car and rolls into cardboard boxes. He
forces a militia hobo friend of his by pointing a
shotgun at his dick to build a tank with him
a team style. He then shows up in Mexico and
blows everything up, shoots men off a roof, people fly

(22:14):
away from explosions, over the tops of cars, burning men
on fire, hits car and car drives into a wall.
There are multiple other men on fire. There's a British
man hamming it up, dressed like an extra from Raiders
of the Last Dark the high School version one boom
mic during the end police station walk and talk and
again the best end credit theme ever for any film ever.

(22:35):
It's a phenomenal piece of work. It is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
MO.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Would you like to be the one to handle the
plot or do you want me to outline the plot?

Speaker 2 (22:48):
I can give it a shot. Give this plot a shot, please,
I'm gonna give it a shot.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Okay, So we have got a Kinko basher who is
beating and uh for the most part, accidentally killing hookers.
I mean yes, okay, like like he's not he's not
a murderer. He's not trying to. He just he has
a kink and he wants to beat up hookers. That's

(23:14):
his thing.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
You know, you don't want you don't want to k kink.
Shame on this show, he said, with this giant pink microphone.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
He he takes a little bit too far and kills
a cops sister who also happens to be a hooker.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
But he also kills he also kills RNDA.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
He also kills Rhonda, who is who is the main,
the main good guy's favorite hooker.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Well, what's funny is that he so Rnda is uh Riff,
What's I'm gonna have to get this right?

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Max Billington or Max.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Pillington, but basically Riff Hutton. It doesn't matter, and they
might as well have called him Riff Hutton, I mean
Max Wellington. It's like that. It's like when wings Houser
plays a character with a ridiculous name, just call him
wings Houses. Anyway, there is some implication early on that
Riff Hutton's or whatever you said his name was, Riff
Hutton's whole pass is Rhonda the hooker. But what's equally

(24:20):
interesting is there's also an implication that Riff Hutton's wife's
hall pass is his partner shot Young Jones anyway, sorry,
carry on with Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
So the Kinko basher, who is of course Rivington, Yeah,
kills the CoP's sister and then basically the rest of
the movie is just him out for revenge. He gets
kicked off the forest because he is a cop on
the edge, but.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
He's a violent fucker who beats another cop.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
He's one of the Yeah, so he becomes he becomes
a bounty hunter, but they don't like being called bounty hunters.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
They're skip tracers whatever.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
As a fucking bounty hunter, and that way he can
he can be even more violent because he doesn't have
to pretend to be a cop anymore.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Because apparently bounty hunters or skip tracers work outside the
law and no cop is looking to get yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
And then like you, like you had mentioned previously, they
find out that Rivington is in a small village in Mexico.
They build a tank and blow everything to smithereens the
end sort of.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
I mean, see, what's interesting about the movie to me
is that it's essentially three films, like just slammed together,
do you know what I mean? Someone was like, well,
we want a you know, gritty urban you know, hookers
being murdered the dirty streets of Los Angeles, buddy cop
film Alac kind of the first leath weapon. And then

(26:02):
you have well, now we're gonna have our league guy
become a bounty hunter. Halfway through, we're just gonna forget
the cop business and we're just gonna have a big
bounty hunter montage in the middle of the movie where
he also seems to. I mean, he has two things
that he wants to do in the middle of the movie.
One is to hunt bounties and the other one is

(26:23):
to try and get off with the secretary, who he
just constantly is heading on. And then at the very
end it becomes sort of a mad Maxian We're going
to like trick out a truck as a tank, drive
down to Mexico and blow over the up. So it's
sort of I mean, it's wonderful. I love movies like that.
I love movies that are like, right, we're bored of
the buddy cop thing, now we're gonna move on to

(26:45):
the Because to me, I don't ever stay bored in
a movie like this, like Evil. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
I watched this with a buddy of mine and he
made two really poignant observations during the movie. The second
one he made was towards the end where he said,
you know, normally, when I watch these kind of movies,
there's usually a lull at some point where I'm like
bored and I don't want to watch it anymore. But
this one I didn't feel that, and I basically said

(27:14):
the same thing you just said. I said, that's because
they kept changing everything, you know, so there was you know,
so it's like you had three full plot lines and
there was no place where you instead of having three acts,
you couldn't have a second act slump because there was
no second act. It was just three third acts basically.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
And what's funny is because you know, most of the
time when we talked, you know, the first three episodes
of the show that we've recorded were all about sort
of mid nineties PM, and by the time mid nineties
PM comes along, they're far more action focused because the
budgets are a little bigger and instead of every six

(27:55):
minutes there being a you know, a great one liner
or a grindhousey death scene or nudity or whatever, which
this movie kind of has. Like every five minutes, there's
sort of like a scene, but it's not necessarily an
action scene. It's, you know, just a scene that makes
you wake up and go, oh, look, you know, violence
or boobs or something. In later movies, it's always action

(28:17):
every five to six minutes. It's a foot chaser, card
chase or whatever. What's interesting about this movie is, as
you say, it sustains itself because it's it's three acts,
three third acts of three different movies, but also you
get incredible one liners that you hang on to this
movie because you can't wait for someone to say something

(28:39):
like that pimp fucker walks because the mayor's in a
pists sweat about it. Goddamn image, that's bullshit, which is
like such a great line. Or you know, a woman
rolls over, looks up at you and says, how do
you want it lips or hips, which is you know,
what a great line. When Addison Randall coming up with

(29:01):
these these bon months.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
And there and there's there, there's some there's some attempts
in comedy too, like when uh, oh god, what's the
main guy, what's Shotgun Jones's real name in the movie? Oh,
his real name in the movie, in the movie.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
In the movie, his real name is Ian Jones, which
is Ian. That's why they call him Shotgun Jones Becausey're like,
we're not calling you Ian.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
That's just yeah, yeah, there's never been a tough Ian
in the world. But but even when he goes back
to visit Max at the you know, at the station,
he's like.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
So you're bade sergeant, and you're eating health food.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
He's got a couple of pieces of fruit on his desk,
but because that he's eating health food. But I did
want to mention too that the other observation, because you
had mentioned this before, but I think this is a
little bit more accurate.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
How familiar are you with it's always Sonny in Philadelphia?
Not not not at all, So it's always Sonny has done.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
I find that one guy in it very annoying, the
high pitch gut.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Okay, but the they have done a couple of fake
lethal weapons sequels, right, you know.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
And my buddy who I was watching this with me.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Said, he goes, this feels like they're doing They're doing
the It's Always Sunny version of Lethal Weapon eight, right,
And I'm like, that's incredibly accurate, especially that first third hilarious.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, and it's sort of you know, it's I think
the movie that it gets compared to quite a bit.
And I think there are articles that there's an article
that actually before he died, Stuart Chapin worked on a
commentary for this movie for a British podcast. Apparently BRIT's
really like payments damon films, especially Shotgun, and in it

(30:51):
he was talking about I think total film. This is
years ago. Now, this is like Back in twenty twelve
or whatever, twenty eleven, Total Film had done an article
about the bottom worst Buddy Cup films, and one of
the movies listed in there with Shotgun, but one of
the other ones was Samurai Cop. And obviously this gets
compared to Samurai Cop quite a lot, and I understand why.

(31:15):
But I think what's interesting about both this and Samurai Cop.
I think that the reason why I think I get
quite annoyed when people sort of laugh at Samurai Cop
ironically rather just laughing with the movie, is that Samurai
Cop knows it's being silly like that. At no point
Samurai Cop is making a serious movie, and I think Shotgun,

(31:37):
you know, I don't think anyone who made this movie
is going to say, yes, we were sitting around thinking
we were making Lethal Weapon. Did it have its you know,
its bare bones or it's some of its DNA from
movies like The Weapon. Of course, every body Cup film
that followed forty eight Hours and Lethal Weapon had that

(31:59):
in its But look, they are clearly writing this it's
not a parody. But when you see these independent movies,
they're going, well, what can we do to just this
up enough? We don't have the money right now, this
is early PM entertainment. We don't have the money right
now to have an action sequence every five minutes. What

(32:20):
we're going to do is we're going to start off
with a you know, hanging from a helicopter shootout kind
of action sequence, and we know that we're heading towards
blowing Mexico up with a tank. So in the middle,
you know, what are we going to do? And I
think that bringing the humor into it, or bringing sort
of that unnecessarily aggressive cop double act bravado that sort

(32:46):
of just permeates these movies. I think bringing that into
it and having lines like the pimp fucker walks because
the mayor's in a piss sweat and stuff like that,
or the other great line that Ian Jones has when
he shoots the guy up the ass with the rock salt.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
He goes, if I want to come conversation, I'd have
shut Dick Caviot. I had to explain to my friend
who Dick cavit was.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
It's such a good line.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
If I'm like, that is such I mean, like obviously
for nineteen eighty nine, it's not a terribly dated reference,
but like who in twenty twenty five remembers who the
fuck Dick Cavit was? I do this guy, Yeah, I do.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah, I mean, because I think I always get annoyed
when they're talking about you know, there's a lot obviously
mentioned in the history of America about obviously Johnny Carson
and the Tonight Show and uh and and you know,
the the Leno and Lennam and stuff and all the
rest of it. And I love all those guys, but
I mean, not Leno, but you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,

(33:46):
Dick Cavit is never brought up. And yet one of
my favorite things to do is to go on YouTube,
find a feature length, you know, full length Dick Cabot interview,
and just watch some of the madness that happened on that.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah he was, Yeah, he was crazy entertaining.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Yeah he really was. And he had such fascinating guests
and did like long form interviews. But yeah, so that's
a great line as well. So let's just do our
overall thoughts and then we'll we'll burst into our favorite scenes.
But no, your overall thought, if you're gonna give this
movie a you know, a paragraph that you're gonna put

(34:24):
on letterbox to tell people to watch it. What is
your overall vibe with this movie?

Speaker 2 (34:29):
First off, I couldn't write a paragraph if you paid
me to.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
But you know, my my my letter box would would
probably go something like, this movie's absolutely bad shit in
the most enjoyable way possible. You know, if you like
low budget action films, you should probably check it out.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
You know it's I enjoyed it. I thought it was
just a blast.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
And it lives no pun intend, no fun intent, and
it lives squarely I think between if any movie lived
between Samurai Cop and Zipper Face, it's Shotgun. It sort
of lives squarely between those two films.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
And you know what, I think that's a place of
fucking honor.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
I know, yes, yes, uh. In fact, if if anything,
that'd be really interesting if someone ever said to me, okay,
you have one night at the Mahonic drive in or
one of these drive ins that do like multiple movies
a night, If you could program three movies at the
Mahonic drive in, Samurai Cop, Shotgun and Zipper Face would

(35:31):
be I mean on the list.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
I would be.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
I would be there.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Yes, I don't know how I'd get there, but i'd
be there.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I'd drive all the way down to Florida, picked you up,
and then drive all the way up to pa just
to Yeah, that's that's how we do it. My overall
feeling about this movie, so it's it's it's interesting, right
because as I have dived or dove or whatever the
word is into the world of PM Entertainment having sort
of been out of the watching low budget action for

(36:02):
a while since I was doing the Doctor Action and
kick Ass Kid Show. I mean it was always on,
like I'd always put it on. But something in the
last you know, a couple of years has got me.
Every time the archive puts an Instagram post up and
says that they've got VHS in, I am zooming into
that VHS photograph just to see if there's any with
PM Entertainment on the spine, because I became obsessed with

(36:25):
collecting these and often because they were PM, or because
you know, they had wings Houser in, or because of
the martial arts they worked, artists they worked with like
Don and Dragon Wilson and Cynthia Rothrock and others very
often that that was sort of my gateway into it.
Now I'm doing this show and watching more and more

(36:45):
of their stuff in order and out of order. You know,
I'm realizing there are kind of phases of PM films
and they're sort of different, even though they're only around
for about eleven years, all told as PM, and then
another three or four of City Lights before PM. Uh,
and we might get to those movies as well. You know,

(37:08):
there are there are multiple eras of what defines a
PM entertainment film, and I think that if you are
just used to you know, the CIA Lexis or the
magnum maximum force or ring of fire or Guardian Angel,
if you're used to that era of PM, something like
a shotgun or you know, some of the early ones

(37:30):
like La Heat or Chance or whatever might be surprising
to you. However, what I like about it as someone
who not as much as you moo, but who has
also embraced and watched a ton of very low budget
straight to VHS stuff, or even shot on video straight
to VHS stuff, is I like seeing where they began.

(37:52):
I like seeing the progression. I like the fact that
you know, I watched Mayhem the other day, which is
the first City Lights entertain movie. It's sort of the
first quote unquote action. It's more of a drama with
some shootouts but but first action movie that that Rick
and Joe would make, and it's really interesting to watch that,

(38:14):
and then, you know, with the same breath, watch one
of their later movies from from the late nineties and
just sort of see how far they came and how
quickly they made that progression. So for me, finding something
like Shotgun, which I genuinely feel is a real gem,
and it's it's you know, I've not watched all of
the early PM stuff yet, so I might find other gems,

(38:38):
but of the ones I have seen, this one stands
out mainly because of just how ludicrous the leading man looks,
but also all the oneliners, the fact that at the
end there's an eighteen sequence where they build a tank
with a militia hobo, and you know, and also some
of the more sleazy Grindhouse the elements. I mean, there's

(39:02):
a lot in this that reminds me of either the
Glickenhouse or Hannah Lotter or Lustig or Cohen movies that
were being made in New York at the.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Same time, especially that first third, that first right, that
first act is pure Hen and Lotter.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Right, it's got over stuff of it's got vibe of
basketcase of Franken Hooker. It's got vibes of the Exterminator
that Clickinghouse did with Robert Ginty. It's got some of
the grimier kind of Larry Cohen stuff that they made
and Lustig made. So, you know, I've been a fan

(39:40):
of the East Coast version of these movies where everyone's
on forty second Street and you know, walking in an
out of hypodermic and hooker filled cinemas on forty second Street. Well,
you know, it's nice to be reminded, along with movies
like Angel and Vice Squad and others that made in Hollywood,

(40:01):
that Hollywood and Vine and Hollywood Boulevard is just as
seedy as forty second Street ever was. And there is
a West Coast vein of these movies that I'm also
a big fan of because loves me a Walk on
the wild Side. So yeah, Shotgun got into my heart

(40:22):
very very quickly because it was for me, the perfect
blend of a movie that just walks the line between
parody and just having a good time, like, you know,
just having trying to write a fun cop movie with
all the things I like a little bit of sleeves,
a little bit of grindhouse, a little bit of eighteen action,

(40:43):
and a little bit of blowing up, you know, ridiculous
englishmen in cravats. So it's sort of sort of has
it has everything in it that I am partial to.
And if I went out to make a movie and
this was the movie I came home with, I'd be
fucking exc static.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
Right, And this movie has so I have sort of
like an internal grading system that I do as I
watch movies like this too.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
And there is one thing that these you know, straight
to video or you know, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Action films can have that will immediately increase my score
by a letter grade, and that is a full body burn.
And this movie has like three, yes, you know, and
they're all pretty fucking good, you know. Uh, And I
you know, the other thing is decapitation. If you have
a decapitation that like, you know, then yeah, please give

(41:39):
me more. But full body burns just make ours. They're
so impressive to pull off, especially at a low budget,
because it's like, oh my god, you guys are that's
that's fucking dangerous, you know, but it's it's rad as
shit when they can do it. I don't even care
how fake it looks he could be a guy in
a full retardant to you know, covered in the jelly

(42:01):
and you see everything. You know, there's there's nothing covering
up anything. I'm like, you know what you did it.
I'm happy, you know, let's bump that up to a beat.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Isn't there Isn't there one point where at the end
of Shotgun. I'm trying to remember because it's a while
ago that I watched it, but uh, where a guy
just like literally just walks out of a building and
he's already on fire, like he's just on fire. Or
does he blow up the building and the guy comes
out of the building on fire.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
I want to say they blow up the building and
he comes out on fire, but I think it's even
more impressive. You know, when they show the guy, I mean,
they don't show him getting hit by it, but they
imply that he's getting hit by the flamethrower that they
built into.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
The tank, right, because the tank has a built in
flamethrower that comes out of the engine block. Which yeah, yeah,
like real, We're just gonna put a flame thrower next
to the engine button and see how that works. So

(43:17):
we don't have exactly an interview this week, and look,
I don't want to set the precedent, but we may
not have an interview every single week. I've conducted interviews
with some of the key players in PM Entertainment. I
might be able to get maybe a second interview out
of some of them now that the show has sort
of hit it stride and we kind of know what
questions and things we'd want to talk about now. But

(43:39):
a lot of these interviews I did before the show
even started, so I'm still sort of cherry picking clips
from those conversations where I can. Obviously, a film like Shotgun,
which I love, was not high on the list of
things to talk about when I was talking with these guys,
but I did bring it up when talking with Paul Volk,

(44:03):
who actually did some sound work on the movie. So
I am going to present just this little clip of
my conversation with Paul Volk about Shotgun for people who
don't know. The lead star unfortunately has passed away, but
not before he recorded a commentary for the film, which
thankfully is still up on YouTube and is a fantastic watch.

(44:26):
It's with the sixty MW podcast and they recorded it
in twenty fourteen and then shared it to YouTube about
four years ago. So this is the commentary with Stuart Chapin,
which is up on the sixty MW podcast YouTube channel.

(44:47):
If you google Shotgun Commentary PM Entertainment, it comes up. Anyway,
go listen to that for more stuff. Here's our clip
with Paul Volk and then back to finish up our
conversation with Movon Helveta out Shotgun. Thanks again for listening,
and don't forget to rate, review, comment, share, like tell

(45:09):
people all those things that you can do to support
this podcast. It really really really does help, so thanks
so much. Shotgun is a beautiful Gunzo classic. It's completely
weird and wonderful in a way that I don't think
you would if you sat down to make Shotgun, you know,
with a budget and named actors and all the sets

(45:32):
in the world and audio editing and everything else you
were talking about, you would never be able to make
Shotgun the way that it is such a such a
beautiful movie.

Speaker 4 (45:41):
Sometimes magic kind of happens. I mean I have never
in the past have I thought about it, have I
related that to Shotgun, But I know what you're talking about.
The top, the star, the tall guy with red hair.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Yeah, I mean he was into it.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
He was into it. In fact, he used to bring
he didn't use him, but he comes to set with
these these Japanese swords and like when he wasn't shooting,
he'd be twirling these Japanese swords around and having fun
with it. And and that was just part of his
his whole thing. I love that.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
I love that. I just watched it again the other
night and it is wow and it's fantastic. I think
what mix on that either, No, I think a lot
of that was on set sound. You could sort of
hear the echo the atmosphere of the you know, the shirts,
you could hear in it. Yeah, Stuart Chapin or Chapan.
I don't know how he pronounced this tall red hair

(46:34):
guy right.

Speaker 3 (46:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
Yeah, I recorded boom.

Speaker 4 (46:37):
I sometimes in the in the early days, I go
out and and and do boom for them. I did
it in one really CD I think it was. It
was Shotgun a CD CD scene with a in a
Hollywood flea bag scummy motel with the guy wearing leather.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Was that from Shotgun? Yes, that's the main killer and
Shotgun dressing a Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:04):
The memory of that, you know, it just doing it
in this such a scummy room at night in Hollywood,
a week night, you know, overnight.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
It was it was crazy, right, But.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Again, I mean it's it's one of those things. It's funny.
I have friends who make independent film and one of
the things that they say is for the cost of
a hotel room, you know, for one night, especially if
it's a cheap you know hotel, although I don't know
that they exist anymore, but for the cost of a
hotel room overnight, you have a whole other set as
long as you don't make too much noise, you have

(47:42):
a whole other set that you can film in and
it's sort of production value without necessarily having to build
anything or.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
Oh yeah, it was real. It was better than we
could build, of course, because it was just CD.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Well, it's very similar as there was a lot of
New York filmmakers like James Flickenhouse and Bill Lustig, Frank
hannelot To who were doing the same thing on forty
second Street. And it's interesting to see sort of the
east East coast seating US was forty second Street and
the west coast was Hollywood and Vine, right, that's where
all the yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Exactly, I gotta tell you, like I and another thing,
I really really wasn't expecting, especially since this is so early,
Like you didn't see this kind of shit in car
Chase movies, or at least not this late.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
They would catch on.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
Again when like the Fast and the Furious movies came on,
But in like the seventies car Chase movies, you'd see
them all the time and even up into like the
like the Smoking the Banded films. But by the time
eighty nine came around, you weren't really seeing him all
the time. And that is a full on like drift.
You know that they that they pulled off with a
goddamn midst of beashie. You know, it's like I'm watching,

(48:52):
I'm like, I'm like, how did how did they had
they pulled that off? Like that's impressive. You know, that's
the same car that the woman was hanging on to Valiant.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Right that the Karen. The Karen sees he runs into
something right and knocks something over, and she comes running
out and is like, does he knock a dude over?
And it's like a husband or something. So she runs
out of like, hey, you knocked over my husband. Then
she jumps on the hood and that's yeah. And then
like I don't understand, and.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
Then like a millisecond later, like out of nowhere, Ian
gets it by a van or that might it might
have actually happened right before it.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Now Ian gets hit by the van. Yeah, Then the
woman dives on the hood, and we don't even know
who the woman is, but I assume she's like, hey,
mister man, I want to talk to you. But so
she just dives under the hood, which is you know,
that would be my favorite thing, you know, in a
in a movie would be and I'm you know, the

(49:47):
Karen who comes up to the customer service task is
like giving the guy shit, He goes, fuck this, packs
his bang, goes outside, gets into a car, and as
he drives off, she just comes running out of the
building whe us shopping bags and just dives onto the hood.
Because that's what was happening in my head was I
was like, is this woman just karening all over?

Speaker 3 (50:08):
But that happening, that happening by itself would have been amazing,
but the fact that it happened immediately after the main character,
out of fucking nowhere gets hit by a goddamn van,
like that was like it was like, there's no lead
up to it whatsoever. It's just smash cut, boom, and

(50:30):
he's hit by the van and I'm like, I laughed
so hard at that that I had to I had
to pause the movie to catch my breath, and then
I had and then I had to rewind and watch
that like three more times because it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
And he is, I mean, he is absolutely fantastic in
this film. Now he I don't think he would agree.
I think he has a healthy sense of humor about
this movie and understands the uh, you know. He certainly
was and Joseph Mary's first choice. Apparently he was Addison
Randall's first choice. And what's very interesting is that Stuart

(51:07):
Chapin says in the commentary that apparently Addison Randall is
also an incredibly tall, long haired, lanky, blonde dude and
basically hired a Stewart because he most looked like Addison Randall.
So I guess, I guess Addison Randall was just like,
I'm gonna be the star of my own movie, but

(51:28):
I'm gonna cast someone who's my doppelganger. But he's really
good at movie in the sense that it's you know,
he's one of those people that even when he's playing
it straight, there is such comedy, intentional comedy behind his eyes.

(51:48):
I mean the scene that I keep mentioning when Riff
Hutton shouts it chews out his chief with like that
pin Foker walks that scene, Stewart has decided, I'm just
gonna stand at my full like six' five or whatever he,
is And i'm just gonna. Stare i'm just gonna give
a thousand yards stare to like a crack in the.

(52:09):
Ceiling i'm not even gonna look at the. Chief i'm
just gonna have this determined like scowl on my face
AS i sort of look off into the middle. Distance
and every time the camera comes to you, Know Riff
hutton's they're acting is fucking heart, out, swearing doing all
these great lines and blah blah. Blah and right next to,
him you've got this tree trunk of a mat with

(52:29):
a blonde beard and a ridiculous hat normally wearing a
hobo coat one size too, small frim which always looks,
ridiculous just staring with this kind of determined scowl on his,
face And i'm, like the guy's a fucking comedic.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Genius, well like and like that scene THAT i pointed
out to you earlier where they're in the bar drinking,
away you, know like they.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Were such a good.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Scene they've got the shot glasses upside down in front of,
them you, know showing how many they're, they're how how
deep in the are at that, point and these two
guys come in with shotguns to hold up the. Place at,
FIRST i thought they were coming in there for those,
guys and THEN i, realized oh, no they're. Not they're
just there to hold the place.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Up this just randomly. Happens it just randomly.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Happens and they just completely deadpan go, police you, know
like no emotion, whatsoever, police and then proceed to completely
unload their clips into the two bad.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Guys, well the bad guys kill the bartender before they
even Ask freddy. Money they just literally shoot the bartender
in the.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
Test but just how dead pan they are through the whole,
thing because even when they're shooting the guys, up there's
not a muscle twitch in their. Face they're just, no you,
know shooting a place up or shooting the guys. Up
and it's it's it's, beautiful it's so.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
GOOD i love.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
It it's it's a complete. Joy and that is definitely
a standout scene in the. MOVIE i mean that whole
that whole monologue. Gifts it's just. Incredible you know that
there doesn't need to be WITH pm, films there is a.
Shorthand if two guys come in and, battle clove is
an offloaded shotgun into the. Bartender that's just your. Cue

(54:14):
it's like the music. Cue it's, Like, Okay i'm going
to pick up my guitar and stop, playing Or i'm
going to pick up my gun and stop shooting and start.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Shooting all. Right there are three other THINGS i wanted
to mention real.

Speaker 8 (54:25):
Quick, please, no, no go right. On this is our
favorite scene section of the parkst, yes, yeah and these
these are some of my favorite. Things one IS i
want to Mention max's. Wife we talked about her. Briefly
we have a couple of scenes with.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
HER i don't know.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
WHO i don't know who plays his, wife the, actress
but she is charming as.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
Hell he ever plays. Her she's a terrible, actress but
she's so charming that it doesn't.

Speaker 4 (54:52):
Matter you.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Know she is played By denise or, well it's spelled
D e AND I E S SO i don't, know did. Pain,
Yeah and she Plays Janice billings and she was credited
As Nikki payne because a lot of people were Actually
union and this was a non union, shoot and so

(55:13):
they changed their names for the purposes of being in the.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Film But, YEAH i thought she was super.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
Charming she's only in a couple of, scenes BUT i
liked her each time that that she was, THERE i
liked her a. Lot LIKE i, said not a great,
actress but her her natural charm was put her.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Over did you think about her whole past Being Ian
jones every time you Saw.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yeah, YEAH i thought that she was.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
Hilarious AND i love the fact that she would that
she flaunted that shit in front of her husband every
Time ian would come, over like we were gonna have meat,
loaf but since you're, here we're gonna have.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Steak you. KNOW i thought that was.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Great the other THING i wanted to mention is That
Johnson coolidge is the most insane Name i've ever.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Heard that's the guy who gets shot in the ass
with Rock. Salt JUST.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
I you, KNOW i don't have anything else to say about,
him just the. Name, Yeah like everybody in this in
this movie has really ridiculous. Names But Johnson coolidge is,
like give me two presidents real. Quick you, know.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Well he's part of the random bounty hunting. Montage, yeah
so the second act of this movie is just like
have him go round and arrest people exactly.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Exactly and then the other, thing the other moment THAT
i THAT i, noticed and this isn't really like anything,
important but they're towards the end of the film they're
having a foot chase. Scene this is actually right before
the the him getting hit by the van and the
woman jumping on the, hood where the cameraman struggles real

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hard to keep up with, them and THEN i think
they finally just give up at one point and they
cut to the next angle because they're like, Yes they're,
like you're not keeping up with, Them AND i.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Just thought that was absolutely.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Hilarious, also one Point i'd like to make about that,
sequence because we we we do or have done in
previous episodes talked about tips and pointers for low budget.
FILMMAKERS i thought that what was great, was you, know
they're about to have a shootout in the hallway of
the hotel that he's, in and obviously they didn't want

(57:27):
to pay for squibs or dust shots or whatever going
off in the. Hotel so you see two men draw a,
gun you see them run out into the, corridor and
then it cuts to. Outside you hear the, gunshots and
then they run out into the street and a foot chase.
Happens you don't need to, see like if you can't
afford to do gunshots properly or can't or the hotel, says,

(57:49):
look you can film in, here but you're not firing a,
weapon but you still want that. Sequence that's how you.
Know that's another little.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
Likeker it's a great workaround for, sure.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
Especially if you're then going to go into a street foot,
chase because you can just all, right well we're gonna
run out into the road and away we, go so
you you you don't need a big shootout in the.
Hotel so that was another little thing THAT i noticed
that was that was kind of. Cool, also just the
number of like cause they have in the foreground that
they like run up to lean against, them run off.

(58:22):
Again you, know there was a lot of that during
the foot chase right.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
Right and then the last THING i wanted to mention
was the quality of the squibs used in this especially
the one that kills the shot that Kills rivington at the,
end his entire. CHEST i mean like it is almost,
because let's face, facts For hovin was insane when it

(58:47):
came to his squibs And. RoboCop but it's almost as
good as the boardroom.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Squibbed you, know yes In.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
RoboCop but his whole chest just go, boom explodes, out
And i'm like that was pretty damn.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Good, yeah there are three really good scrib shots in this.
Movie one comes right at the beginning where the bad
guys who were just sort of, well they're just generically.
Evil they're just generically evil. Capitalists basically we don't really
know what they're. Doing like they show up in a

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village at the beginning and they're just, like we want
to buy the, village and the guy's, like you can't
buy this, village and they just think they just shoot
him in the chest and again his whole chest. Explodes
great squib to start the. Movie then you obviously have
the bartender when he gets. Shot that's it's not a
huge blood, pack but it does have a nice chest

(59:48):
explosion again when he gets. Shot and then like you,
Say rivington at the end a full. CHEST i, mean
that's even with a plate behind the. Charge that's got
to have had come close to breaking A but that's
what you do for movies like. THIS i, mean it's
almost as good as In Glickenhouses The protector When Jackie

(01:00:10):
chan shoots a guy and just with a regular like
magnum handgun and the guys lifted off his feet and
flown through a, window like breaks an entire window with
the sheer force of this gun shooting. Him so instead
of WHAT i like about that is the logic, is,
well the bullet doesn't go, through the bullet continues to,

(01:00:32):
travel and the momentum of the bullet literally powers this man,
through with, which, LOOK Pm entertainment would do their fair
share of. That you, know within a year or two
of this movie coming, out that they're already throwing people
through windows and lifting people off their feet with gunshots
and things like. This but for an early for an early,

(01:00:53):
effort there is you, know they keep enough of the action,
coming they keep enough of the one, liner's and they you,
know every thirty minutes change the. Plot so you, Go,
OKAY i guess we're watching this movie now and you
just kind of go along with.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
It BUT i, mean come, on you know the pacing
was to die for it when it comes to these
kind of, movies because almost without, fail you've got at
least one or two of those lulls where they're trying
to you know that they need to Exposition, jones you
through what's actually. Happening and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Remember this, guy he was the bad guy in the first, half,
right what happened to the guy dressing up in? Leather,
oh he doesn't do that. Anymore he hides down dressed
as as primary School bellock down In mexican Village. BELLOCK
i mean it looks or high School. Ballock he looks
like someone who's Playing bellock and right as The Lost

(01:01:52):
arc the school play.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Version oh my, god it's so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
True but it's, funny isn't, It because the hook Of
desk just completely like he kills his. Sister it's just
completely done with, yeah and it's it's what's also odd
is that when you first Meet Shotgun jones's, sister you're
not sure if it's his sister or or if it's
his girlfriend or. Wife just goes out turning tricks of

(01:02:18):
an evening and then he lives that, life you know
WHAT i mean that he just lives a Cuckolded maybe
that's why he's so.

Speaker 3 (01:02:26):
Angry, YEAH i have to ADMIT i did a big
oh when they said that his sister and guy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Killed i'm, Like, okay.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
That makes more.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
SENSE i mean so.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
One of my favorite scenes in this movie going through,
favorites obviously you've got the shouting chief. Scene always a
fan of. That i'm also. Fan the other time The
chief shows up is After Ian jones Shotgun jones has
beaten another has beaten an internal affairs officer within an

(01:03:01):
inch of his. Life he's put him in the. Hospital
he's beaten him with a. Nightstick, yeah because he just, goes,
oh you, know we're going to have your badge for,
this and he just, goes, you son of a. Bitch
he just grabs him and throws him around the slag
vestibule of the police, department then grabs a regular patrol
men's night stick and just starts wailing on the, guy

(01:03:23):
just starts beating him within an inch of his. Life
it then cuts to his, chief which he's going to be,
like you know, what you're a good, cap BUT i
am going to have to And i'm, like he's not
a good cap like you saying he's a good cop
doesn't mean that we've seen any evidence of him even
being remotely cap, like let alone a good. Cop but,

(01:03:45):
no in terms of, movies you know WHAT i, mean
it's it's like where they try and justify still having
rigs in the police. DEPARTMENT i, suppose you know WHAT i.
Mean AND i guess that's what they're going. For they're going, For,
well he can just about do. Anything you. Know he
can shove his gun and mouth of a purp and,
say you, KNOW i could basically going to murder you
without any. Evidence and then he can beat a fellow

(01:04:07):
officer to death or close to death and then just
be told by his, chief, look you're a good, cop
and because of your sterling. Record i'm, like we've seen
no evidence of. Record we're only just going to give
you a six months per. Bag and he's, like fuck,
It i'm going to go off and become a bounty
hunter and beat people up for a, living because, yeah

(01:04:28):
this guy is unhinged from the get, go but it's.
Wonderful and, then and, then of, course any film that
contains a a team like building sequence is going to
get my. Vote so that's that's another favorite scene of.
MINE i, mean it's difficult because essentially the movie blows

(01:04:48):
past so quickly because it's only about eighty five minutes.
Long and by the, way that's the length of time
all movies should. Be, uh the just saying you're not,
wrong you, know, yes there are occasions that prove the.
Rules so there are you, Know Apocalypse now or whatever
can get away with being as long as it fucking
wants because it's apocalypse fucking. Now but beyond, that you,

(01:05:11):
know we don't need a three and a half Hour
batman Movie Christopher nolan to wrap this. Up AS i,
said eighty five minutes. Perfect it'd be difficult to pick
a favorite scene Because i'm having a good time with
almost every. Scene the dancing in the nightclub is, joyous just.
Wonderful apparently that was a church group they like that

(01:05:33):
was filmed on the stadio you know what they were. In,
no but they they just went where where are the
most ugly white people At? OH i, Know sunday, church,
church church group for. Sure so they go find a
very white church group and tell them to pretend to
be disco dancing when there's no music in the. Club

(01:05:54):
and it is absolutely glorious that my favorite sequence is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
That one dude with the glass as you know exactly
the One i'm talking. About he. Is he is so
unhinged it's it's. Amazing, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Uh and obviously the theme song get me whoever is
doing these like vinyl reissues of famous film, Soundtracks waxwork
And mondo and other companies like, that get me a
fucking shotgun soundtrack on. Vinyl STAT i would play that
ship every day and twice On.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Sundays, well you'd have the right church group to dance to.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
It, too, right.

Speaker 7 (01:06:42):
Not from.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
This deadly.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Shut so do you have any final thoughts on the,
movie sir before we go ahead with our.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Ranking, no because my final thoughts would be my. Ranking
so let's just let's go to, it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
All, right let's go to the. Ranking, so, sir first of,
all give us a general ranking within movies in. General and,
then if you, CAN i know you are not necessarily
as knowledgeable write this second ABOUT pm stainment films and
it's probably been a while since you watched a, few
but could you rank this within THE pm entertainment films
you've seen and or. No so those are the two

(01:08:07):
rankings we're looking.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
For, well what's the ranking? System one through, ten one through,
five one through.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
Five, Okay So i'd say as far as like compared
like in the realm of general, Film i'd give. It
i'd give it a solid. THREE i, mean you have
to be, realistic you, know it's it's a great, movie
and for and for what it, is which is obviously
the One i'm going to do, NEXT i would Get
i'm gonna give it something. Higher BUT i think as
far as like general filmmaking is, concerned it's it's not

(01:08:36):
the best Thing i've ever, seen but it's not the,
worst and it's very.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Entertaining so solid three is is a IS a is
a recommend for. Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
Uh and then in the realm OF pm, ENTERTAINMENT i,
mean just based compared to the ones THAT i remember,
Seeing i'd give it a, four you, Know, LIKE i,
mean it's it's not as batshit as some of the
other Ones i've, seen but it's also plenty batshit on its.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Own so, Yeah i'd give it a.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Four so what is interesting for me is, is you,
know out of all, movies it's probably difficult BECAUSE i
tend to grade things within the genre or within the
filmmaking style that they. Fall so, yeah grading this against
a taxi driver or whatever would be a pointless and fruitless.

(01:09:26):
Endeavor that's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
True it's because taxi driver isn't nearly as good As.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Shotgod you a taxi driver could lose twenty, minutes Whereas
SHOTGUN i could add twenty minutes and still be very.
Happy but in, general within sort of you, know straight
to video low budget movies of THIS, ilk THEN i
would give it probably a four out of five in

(01:09:50):
terms OF pm entertainment, films though it is one of
only TWO pm entertainment films THAT i have on my
letterbox list right now that gets five of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Five, wow it is this And Steal.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
FRONTIER a lot of the others get four and a,
half and quite a few get, four BUT i only
have two, fives and That shotgun And Steel frontier right.

Speaker 7 (01:10:13):
Now that's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Amazing i'm trying to think If i've Seen Steel, frontier
who's in?

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
That Steel frontier is A Joe lara film With Brian.
James that's the bad.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Guy, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah i've seen. That, yeah that's
pretty it's pretty damn. Good if my memory serves me.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Correctly Fucking phenomenal has the best soundtrack of ANY pm entertainment.
Film coupled with it doesn't have the best theme song
because it doesn't Have Shotgun, jones but in terms of,
soundtracks its soundtrack is. Exceptional, obviously AS i watch these,
MOVIES i may re rank. Them sure you, KNOW i
do look at this ranking and, go, REALLY i Give

(01:10:47):
shotgun more stars Than rage Or ring Of fire three
or Even The Wings, house a Classic living To. DIE
i could probably shuffle that a little, bit and MAYBE i,
will but right now as it, Stands i'm not gonna touch.
It five out of five For, SHOTGUN i think, because
AS i said earlier in the, episode for a company
that was finding its feet and didn't yet know what

(01:11:09):
it was going to, do and it hires pretty much
a bunch of unknowns to do a like quasi lethal,
WEAPON i don't know what this, is like Zipper face type.
Movie it's they succeed on all. Points you are, Filth,
rivington you are the worst kind of, filth And i'm
gonna wash you. Away and by washing away he means

(01:11:35):
shoot a bloody great hole through his chest with A.
Shotgun so there we.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Go that Was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Shotgun that was our, Episode, mo thank you so much
for joining us here on THE Pm Entertainment. Podcast i've
made a mental note that when we Do night of
The wilding we will have you back. On thanks ever
so much for doing this. Episode. Dude this was great
and we will having you back on the show. Soon
that was THE Pm Entertainment pod Asked, Mo i'll leave

(01:12:02):
the final word to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
You go Watch. Shotgun, yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Fucking Watch. Shotgun.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
YEAH i MEAN i NEED i need more people to
talk about this with, now right now That i've now
That i've seen, it you, know, Right it's like When
i'm gonna judge every human BEING i meet from now
on based on whether or not they've Seen, shotgun and
if they, Haven't i'm going to set up a time
to Watch shotgun with.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Them i'm gonna sit those fuckers down and be, like
we're gonna watch a shotgun and Steel frontier and if
you don't like one of, these get out of my.
House get out of my house.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Now and then we're gonna watch Zipper face just because.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Oh, man Zipper. Face AND i think that's that's another.
One like IF i find someone who's seen Zipper face
and like Zipper face as much as you AND i
like Zipper, face, then you, know AND i love. THAT
i love, that, ACTUALLY, mo considering, that you, KNOW i
came to some of these movies like a little, LATER
i came to some of these movies really within the
last thirteen years of knowing, you, right the fact that

(01:12:57):
we have so many movies THAT i cherish that no
one else ever talks about, that Like malone, Splits Hamburger,
movie shot now Zip, tracks Zipper, face and Now. Shotgun
it's it's a beautiful, thing, Man it's a beautiful.

Speaker 7 (01:13:16):
Thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Really this is the sort of stuff that friendships are built, on.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Seriously, Seriously and the only thing that annoys me is
how Main like WHEN i watch something Like High fidelity
and he's like rattling off, stuff it's how mainstream shit.
IS i want the high fidelity where the guy behind
the video counter is talking about Zipper, face you know
WHAT i, mean and they're all having a discussion about
the best scenes in Zipper, face or you, know they

(01:13:41):
have A pm entertainment section in their video, Store like
that's that's the MOVIE i want to. Watch and so
maybe one day we'll make. It leaving the entertainment.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
Podcasts nothing it secret from these.

Speaker 6 (01:14:07):
Broberies the love the, thing.

Speaker 7 (01:14:15):
The barber, over not getting the law.

Speaker 6 (01:14:28):
As they, say this.

Speaker 7 (01:14:31):
Law.

Speaker 6 (01:14:39):
STAY i cut the shout do Up, jos this deadly jo.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Shut shut.

Speaker 6 (01:14:55):
Up