Episode 7 - Intent To Kill - The PM Entertainment Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You have had the entertainment podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Hello, and welcome to an all new episode of the
PM Entertainment Podcast, The show that genuinely celebrates the production
company from those autos of action, Masters of Mayhem and
Sultans of Swinging Rick Peppin and Joseph Mayhee, the production
company that likes a CD sidewalk, a nightstick swinging female cop,
and more cliches than you'd find in an overstocked cliche
only warehouse store that hasn't sold a cliche in months.

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And the production company that should have multiple stars on
the Hollywood Walk of Fame considering how many cars they
blew up or crashed on Hollywood Boulevard. I'm your host,
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gmail dot com. That's pm e Ntpod at gmail dot com.
This week, we're heading back to the grimy, prostitution and
drug dealer riddled streets and warehouses of Los Angeles with
a feminist flip on the usual hot headed vigilante cop story.
As Tracy Lord's takes down users and abuses all over
the place with a variety of weaponry, including some panties

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in a gas tank, all while dealing with her slime
of a boyfriend Luke from The Gilmore Girls and her
shouty one month from retirement, Police Captain yaffet Koto, directed
by Charles T. Kanganis, who started with Peppin and May
he back when he acted in Hollowgate for City Lights
Entertainment in nineteen eighty eight, which, by the way, sidebar
is now out on Blu Ray along with many other

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city Lights films, The Newly Deads and Dance or Die
available from Terror Dash Vision dot Com, as well as
Grindhouse Video, Brother Belile and other independent boutique Blu Ray
traders Grab Them before They're All Gone. He wrote and
directed such PM faves as Time to Die, No Escape,
No Return and this episode's film nineteen ninety two's Intent

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to Kill. He also wrote La Heat, La Vice, Midnight Warrior,
Knight of the Wilding and The Summer II, and directed
Deadly Breed, Sinners and Chants. On a personal side note,
because I also have a weird thing for Jim Belushi movies,
He also worked with Jim Belushi on Canine sequel K
nine one one and several episodes of According to Jim,

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our guest this Week is a freelance journalist author who
has contributed to sites such as Horror Geeklife dot com,
Horrornews dot net, Theactionelite dot com, kung Fu Magazine dot com,
and several others. He's also written for print magazines like
Kung Fu, tai Chi, Exploitation Nation, Taekwondo Times, and Videoscope.

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He contributed heavily to the book The Good, the Tough
and the Deadly Actionmovies and Stars nineteen sixty to Present,
released in twenty sixteen by Schiffer Publishing, edited by David Jmore.
As well as writing, he works closely with heavy metal
legend and rock and roll nightmare star John meekl Thor
worked with Enjoy the Ride Records and Malibube Films to

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release the soundtrack to Andy Sedaris's Hard Ticket to Hawaii
on vinyl, cassette and digital, and his book Sheldon lettterch
From Vietnam to Van dam was released last July by
bare Manner Media. There's More because He's that damn impressive,
but most importantly, he's been planning on writing a book
on PM, like a reference guide with some reviews and interviews.

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We've never talked like this before, but with a resume
like that, I'm insanely excited to get into it with
the one, the only, Corey Danner. Sir, it is a
huge welcome from me to you to the show.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Oh, thank you for having me on this show. I've
been looking forward to it.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Well, sir, what an insane resume. That is absolutely fantastic.
I don't think we've had anyone on here obviously, apart
from the legends from PM Entertainment. Of course they have
or equally hearty resumes. But let's just go through a
little bit of it. How did you kind of how

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did you get started in writing and for movies?

Speaker 3 (04:59):
And you know, I was just, you know, always been
obsessed with movies, and I felt like I somehow had
to I had to get at least if I wasn't
making movies, I have to at least be writing or
talking about them. So I found a website that was
looking for reviewers, and that's kind of where it started.
Eventually they asked me to do some interviews and then

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I just kind of branched off from there.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Nice, and you've worked with, or continue to work with,
the action movie star, the singer, the wrestler, the Canadian legend, thor.
Is that kind of your ongoing day job and career.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
I wish, but that's more of a I've always been
a fan of B horror movies and rock and roll.
Nightmare was always one that it always stuck with me
after seeing it on USA's Up All Night, you know,
It's kind of something I was always obsessed with. And
maybe ten years ago, there was a documentary that came

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out about him, and I was kind of like flabbergasted, like, wow,
you know, this guy's still around, still doing it. So
I reached out and ended up doing an interview with him,
and we've been friends ever since. And now I run
a bunch of a social media for him, and I
do odds and ends, you know, if he needs a
favor for something or a book shows, and it's kind

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a little bit of everything.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Nice, very cool, very cool, And obviously you know a
lot of people will thank you for getting Andy Sedaris's
Hot Ticket to Hawaii out on vinyl, cassette and digital.
How did you get involved in in that. I mean,
it's a great soundtrack. Everyone loves the song at least,
but it's also a great, great soundtrack and a fantastically

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fun film.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
How did you get involved in that?

Speaker 3 (06:48):
That was? Well, not to toot my own horn, but
that was actually idea. And I reached out to Andy's widow,
Arlene and just asked, you know, if there was anything,
you know, anything planned, or if she'd ever thought of
releasing it, or if it was even possible, if she
knew who the materials were. And she's like, yeah, you know,

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I have everything. I own the rights to everything, but
I don't know what to do with it. Because if
you want to try and figure something out, do it.
So I had no idea what I was doing, but
I type some stuff out and send emails out to
every of the every one of the you know, the

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smaller boutique record labels and stuff that were doing kind
of B movie stuff, and Enjoy the Ride was the
best fit. And they literally hit a home run with
what they did with that record. And I don't know,
if you've seen the limited edition discs they put out,
there was only like I don't know, there's only like
maybe fifty or something like that that actually has sand

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and razor blades inside the record.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
I didn't see that, but that is incredible. That is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
So just the fact that you know they were they
actually put that much effort into putting out that release
was you know, enough for me. And I couldn't have
been happier with how it turned out. And Arlene was
super happy with how it turned out because it you know,
there's been like a resurgence in his films, especially Our
Tickets to Hawaii and yeah, so yeah, I was pretty

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happy with that.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah, And I was still reviewing because I've had the
website aftermovie Dina dot com for a long time and
sort of been reviewing movies, doing podcast interviews first different
things for about the last twelve or thirteen years. And
I was still getting the Mill Creek screeners when they
put out the full run of Sedaris's Blu Rays. So

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I'm very thankful to have all of Sedaris's stuff on
nice crisp Blu Ray.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
That's actually what put the idea in my head was
when they started to release those, it kind of brought
back the memories and I was like, man, I actually
really like this music.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's it's it's one
of those things, you know, with PM Entertainment, especially like
by doing this show, by by you know, someone like
yourself working on a book, things like that, and by
Claudio Ulrich in Switzerland and Germany putting out the media books.

(09:23):
I just really hope we start to get some things
like that. I mean, I think the sad thing is that,
you know, Joseph and Ritt don't have you know, any
of the materials anymore. It's just not they you know,
once they sold off the company, that was it. They
kind of bit it up and packed out, you know,
so it might be harder, but I mean, I would

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love I would love the Steel Frontier soundtrack on vinyl.
I mean, it's it's one of the best soundtracks they
ever did, you know, So no, I would love to
see something like that come out of this. We've said
this before, but I would love a company like I
think Vinegar Syndrome is probably the most poised to do
something like this, but you know, to start doing I mean,

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I would like to see a company do a full
run of them, of everyone. But even if that doesn't happen,
I would still like to see some key titles you know,
even if all we got was I don't know all
the Donda Dragon Wilson's, all the Gary Daniels, all the
you know, the Cynthia Rath Rokuan and maybe the Lorenzo Lamises. Like,
even if we just got the ones that they think
they could sell because of the names, you know, that

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would be great. But I would love to see all
of them. And with the work Cloudier is doing, you know,
there's no reason why we shouldn't. And then we've got
Terror dash Vision dot Com releasing the city lights and
to tay the Blu Rays which came out of nowhere.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I had no idea they were going to do.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
They've done Hollowgate, the Newly Deads and Dance or Die
so far, and they've been reaching out to They spoke
to Richard Munchkin about Dance or Die. They've been doing
extra features and stuff. I think they spoke to Adison Randall.
I think yeah. I mean that took me by surprise.
You know, in Terror dash Vision dot Com is just

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they don't have as active a social media presence as
say Dawn of the Disks or Brother Belile or anything
like that, so there isn't even someone there outside of
emailing them or you know, reaching out to them directly.
There isn't even someone online that's kind of talking about them.
So talk to me about your book. So you've been

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thinking about writing a PM entertainment book. You sort of
described it as a reference guide with sort of some
reviews and interviews. So where are you with that and
where did that idea originally come from?

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Well, i would say I'm about thirty thirty to forty
percent done. I'm really want to get more some more interviews,
and you know, when all the strikes happened, you know,
I had a couple people lined up that had backed out,
and I've never been able to get back and touch
with them. So I'm I'm kind of and there's some

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that I'm just like dead set on trying to get
that are like really really difficult. So I'm kind of
trying to take my time with it. But based on
my experience with the David J. Moore's book The Good,
the Tough, and the Deadly, which was basically a reference
guide to action stars and their films, but we only

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covered the action stars that were martial artists or who
crossed over from professional sports professional wrestling that type of thing,
and we just kind of set it up where we
just went through all their films and we did like
these kind of micro reviews synopsis type things, and sprinkled
interviews within the pages. And I kind of want to

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format it similar to that. But like my big thing
was should I include the City Lights stuff or should
I not? And should I include the films that they
distributed but not produced? And so I'm still kind of,
I don't know, still kind of fighting with that a
little bit because there's just so much stuff that I
didn't realize that they had actually released. Yeah, you know,

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they're distributed, So I'm not sure if that's something I
should really pursue or not, but I feel like they
need to be in there in some capacity.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Yeah, I mean I feel that the ones that they
released but didn't produce, or distributed rather but didn't produce,
that could be you know, that could kind of be
like a a post word, like a like a last
chapter sort of a almost like a glossary, just kind
of a list of the movies and then maybe any

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little bits of trivia that you could find out from
you know, Rick, org Joe or whoever. Yeah, if you
wanted to go that far in terms of city Lights again,
I'm trying to you know, I'm trying to think there's
there's you know. I love reference books like this, and
I love books about movies. I have a slasher guide book.
I have a zombie movie book. I have a few acts.

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I have a few of the action books that have
been published. I have Brian Trenchard Smith's enormous book on
movie making and stuff. And it would it would all
depend you know. I think it makes it harder for
you because Terror Vision are releasing them again. It sort
of means, oh, wait, they are a viable property. They're

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not just something that's can lost the time. Now they're
coming out again, you know what I mean. So if
they were just like a precursor a PM, you could
have just written a couple of pages that was like
before they were PM, they tried stuff out with city Lights.
You know, you could tell the story about Joseph wanting
to make a comedy, everyone telling him, don't make comedy,
make action, and then and then they're making Mayhem and

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going from there, right, so you could kind of do
like a few bits on that and then just like
jump to PM. But now that they're getting a release
and everyone's sort of seeing them again.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
But then also because the City Lights ones more exploitative,
grindhousie and in some cases full blown horror, maybe they
don't fit with the genre. I mean, if you're doing
an action book as much as my you know, people
like yourself and me obviously are big fans of both genres,

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and the genres do go hand in hand. I also
feel like the kind of person who's going to buy
an action book doesn't necessarily want to read about twelve
or thirteen. However, many City Lights horror movies were made
before they went that way.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
I would, but you know, I don't want to give
you more work.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
You know, even PM had a few you know, you know,
they did the bikini summer movies. So they don't even
really fall in line with right, well, we traditionally think
the entertainment film.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
But Little Bigfoot one and two.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Of course this is a little big But there's a couple. Yeah,
there's actually a few kids movies that they did that
were kind of you know, is it I can't remembers
one with Joe Piscopo or something like that. Yeah, there's
a few other ones. It's just like ugh, and do
I want to include those? But you know, I kind
of feel like they need to be in there just

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to keep it complete.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Right, And I mean that's the other thing is you
could you could also start the book and say, look,
there are something because I mean, when I look down
both Joe and Rick's IMDb but also the Wikipedia list
of what is meant to be the full complete list
of PM Entertainment films, coupled with a couple of other references.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
That I've been able to find online.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
There are some movies that they made that you know,
it is from Joe and Rick, and they either produced
them or executive produced them, of which there is no
version that I can find anywhere, of which there is
no information that I can find on anyway. You know,
not many, but there's like two or three. You're just like,

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what is this film? You know, some random things. So
you could just start the book and say, look, these
are movies that you know, the owners of the producers
of them don't even own them anymore, and therefore what
information is out there is sparse. So if one of
the entries is just there was this movie they made
it in this year. It starred these people and all

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Joe and Rick could tell me about it was X.
You know that that's fine. I guess if it's going
to be like a reference book, you don't have to
be the be all and end all because no one
else is writing the book on it, you know. So
and your other book that you've well, the book that
you've written entirely yourself, which is Sheldon Leeditch from Vietnam
to Van Dam. I got to meet Sheldon when he

(17:47):
was screening Double Impact at the Alamo Draft House in Brooklyn,
so I did. I did get to meet him there
and say, hey, but how did that book come about?
And and why why Sheldon in general was was the
a focus for you?

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Actually that's pretty interesting because I was actually asked to
do a retro piece on Lionheart for the thirtieth anniversary
for Horror Geek Life. And I had met Sheldon when
I was doing the Good, the Tough and the Deadly book.
You know, we did a book signing out in LA
and he was there with us and everything. So I

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had contact with him. So they figured, you know, man,
maybe I'll reach out and see if he'd be interested
in doing just like a short interview about Lionheart. And
you know, stuff that I could work into the article,
which I did and I thought it turned out pretty good.
In about six months after it came out, I get
a phone call from Sheldon Leeditch. He's like, I've been
I'd like, you know, I want to do a book

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about my life and career, but I don't want to
do it myself. Is this something you'd be interested in?
So he you know, he asked me, and I wasn't
going to turn him down. I was like, yeah, absolutely.
You know when I was a kid, you know, I
had Rambo three poster, double impact poster on my walls.
There's no way I was gonna say no. So that's
pretty much how that that came about. And he and

(19:03):
I worked pretty closely, you know, throughout the whole process
of writing that book, and he's able to put me
in touch with a few of his, you know, past colleagues.
You know, I got to interview Mark the Costcos, which
was kind of a dream interview for me because I've
always been a huge Cascos fan. And yeah, I mean

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Van Dam didn't work out, but we tried.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
And that's always up to me because I mean, you
would think Sheldon leedage sort of if anyone is if
anyone is associated with Van dam as as his sort
of writer, producer, director, it's it's it's kind of shelled. Yeah,
and he probably Owes Sheldon at least, like, you know,
twenty minutes on the phone.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, but it seems like Van Dam's a unique personality
and that kind of you know, it was on first
he said yes, and he said no. Then he said yes,
and then it was a no and then but I
did try.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
It happened. So were you always into action movies from
an early age?

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Was that always your.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Jam very early age? I mean I used to watch
like Kung Fu Theater on Saturday afternoons with my dad
when I was a little kid. You know, just a
lot of the old Shaw Brothers stuff, yeah, and Bruce
Lee stuff, and it just that stuff always stuck with me,
you know. And then Bruce Lee led to the Chuck
Norris movies, and then you know, Chuck Norris led to

(20:28):
me following Cannon films, and then I would start there
was a point where I was I would you know
a lot of people talk about you know when they're older.
You know, I walked up a hill, you know, twenty
miles in the snow to get to school. I did
that for video stores. I would walk, I'd get my
headphones on, I'd bundle up, and I would walk to
video stores. And anything that looked like there was was

(20:50):
either horror or martial arts, I was getting it, or
some sort of action movie. And that's how I kind
of discovered a lot of these guys was just I'd look.
I just would walk these video stores and look at
box covers, and if they looked like they were fighting,
I got it.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Couldn't you remember when you first came across PM Entertainment film, specifically.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
Gary Daniels. I remember seeing that guy with the ponytail,
you know, and I seen the cover Firepower, and I
was like, hey, that's that guy. And I noticed, you know,
Chad McQueen, who you know, i'd knew, so I was like, ah,
you know, I'll give that shot. And that was probably
the first PM movie. Then I think second one. I

(21:33):
I was into Robert Patrick. I seen like, you know,
Hong Kong ninety seven, and then I had seen like
the boxes like right next to each other. That and
Zero Tolerance, so you know, one after the other, and
then I kept noticing that logo. So every time I
would see that logo, I would just rent it blindly.
For years, you know, I had T shirts and you know,

(21:56):
I already I'm planning on getting a tattoo, you know
at the logo. I already have my. And you know,
I always felt like, you know, PM was just kind
of like kind of picked up where Cannon left off
in a way. Yeah, without you know, obviously not the
huge budgets, but you know, to an extent, I felt
like they were just like an extension of what Canon

(22:16):
was doing. And I loved so much, you know, of
the early Cannon stuff that I just kind of naturally gravitated,
you know, even you know, what's this, you know, Deadly
Bet was another movie that i'd caught early on and
recognized that it was a PM Entertainment movie. And then
there was some that I had seen numerous times and
didn't realize that it was a PM movie, and it

(22:38):
just as soon as I realized, it's always been in
the back of my head for you know, almost thirty
years now.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, and I always I also feel that like, yes,
while Cannon had the the stars and the budget and
the gloss, definitely, and while I love Canon films, and
there's plenty of Cannon films that are in my Even
before I knew about Cannon and Dolph Lungern, I was

(23:06):
a huge Master Universe fan, Like, I love that movie.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Unironically.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
I think it's I think it's legitimately like a fun, silly,
big brash fish out of water story. I really enjoy it.
I know a lot of other people kind of ironically
watch movies these days. I'm not that guy. Oh yeah,
I stay it behind you. Yeah, I stay it behind you.
It's fantastic. So they know Canon I was definitely aware of.
But I have to say that when I watch PM films,

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they sort of deliver in a way that Cannon. They
deliver in a way that I always hoped Cannon would deliver,
especially with the stunts. You always sit down to watch
a Cannon film and go, oh, it's a Cannon film.
It's gonna be great, it's gonna be big, it's lots
of explosions, blah blah blah blah blah. And sure there's
the odd moment where you're like, oh, yeah, this is
fantastic and they are glossy, and you know they have

(23:52):
the stars and everything else, but PM I think serves
up way more bang for your buck when it comes
to the stunts, the action, and just general insanity. And
I think that kind of plays into that kind of
plays more into my sensibility in a way.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I don't mind a big, glossy Hollywood movie, but.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
I love a rough and ready, you know, made by
the skin of their teeth kind of movie. I'm absolutely like,
that's my sweet spot. And if you're throwing cars down
Hollywood Boulevard, cocking a shotgun with one hand and all
the rest of it, like, you know, more power to you.
So yeah, I find myself going to my PM shelf

(24:33):
way more than my cannon shells these days, and not
just because of this podcast. So lastly, then, in questions
that we ask all, I guess, do you have a
favorite PM film or at least a top.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
Three, I guess difficult for you, I'm sure, but definitely
a different because I'm still you know, I'm probably about
thirty to forty films in Yeah, and at the top
of the list would probably be as of right now, would.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Probably be Recoil Yep. Some of the stunts in that
one just kind of blow me away. That and last
man Standing is probably up there.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Yeah, it's a great one. Womb very underrated. Wingcock very underrated, very.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Under I always felt he was one of the better
actors as far as the martial arts guys are concerned.
I mean he was. He's genuinely a really, really good
actor right from the get go.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
There's two guys who I think, when you think of
all the people who ended up getting action careers, there
are two guys who I feel their martial arts are
genuinely compelling on screen in a way that you don't
necessarily see, and that their acting is, you know, a
notch above. One is Jeff Wincott and one is Jeff Speakman.

(25:52):
I wish Jeff Speakman had been in more, at least
PM level budgeted movies. There was a big fall from
A Perfect Weapons Street Night down to you know, the
mid budgeted, low budgeted movies, and then an even bigger
fall down into some of his other stuff. And you know,
we'll never know, but like it would have been. I

(26:14):
would have loved to have seen I mean, Speakman and
Windcock together, the two Jeffs, Like, come on, why did
that ever happen?

Speaker 1 (26:22):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Like the two because their martial arts is so intense
and aggressive and fast, hard hitting, and you don't need
to edit a lot with Speakman, you know what I mean?
His hands are nice and fast and look, even if
it's just a lot of flash and in reality maybe
it wouldn't be, it's still him. If you put his

(26:45):
best scenes from his best movies next to stuff like
Mission of Justice and Martial Law two and Last Man
Standing and Deadly Bet if you put those Win Cotton
Speakman together like that would be a that would just
have been an absolute phenomenal combo.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
Oh definitely I could agree.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
More so great. All right, okay, well now you know
what time it is. It's time for the pum entertainment
bullet points.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
Points.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
We have sleezy slow mo opening credits, Luke from The
Gilmore Girls with a very obvious walkie talkie while apparently
undercover Tracy Lord's dressed as a tomboy prostitute for the
nineteen sixties, sleezy Hollywood Boulevard, beautiful Ken Blakeie cinematography, a
car full of Hispanic drug lord stereotypes, and a limousine,
a woman rolling from a car car chase shootout, a

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panel van turning on a dime. Two of the most
cumbersome vehicles to do a high speed chase, cop car
on the sidewalk. Man falling randomly through glass door of shop.
Obvious male stunt double for Tracy Lord's obvious stunt. Crash
mat lots of gunfire. Three cars explode. Person flying away
from explosion in slow motion. Many people diving away from

(28:18):
a car explosion in slow motion, Tasty slow motion blood squibs.
Gritiata sweaty woman in string bikini riding a bike. Gritiurtis
adr overdubbing, Gritiurtu's cop with classic car. Griturtu's cop boyfriend
in Gratiurta's wife, Peter vest being a graturator's jerk with
a put on Italian American accent. Gritiurtus boom mic Gritiatus

(28:39):
wishing for a better life while walking in a park.
Montage graturtors fight between scuzzy boyfriend and friend on the
police force that is looked upon like a brother, but
who wants a little more gratuitous evil laughter in slow
motion the affect Koto being a stereotypical shouty police captain
saying the line you'll find your fingers, filing fingerprints until
your fingers fall off. Captain In is one month from retirement,

(29:02):
and we find this out while he's lecturing Tracy Lorde's
about staying alive. Gee, I wonder what's going to happen,
although actually you know we'll get into it. Tracy beats
up rapist with a nightstick, throws a man off a balcony,
and shoots a bong at close range. Drug dealers shooting
each other at point blank range, with Oozzi's breaking a
bottle of liquor over his sleazy boss's head. Title of

(29:24):
the movie set at thirty nine minute mark by Yaffat Koto.
Horrific deaths of drug dealer's montage, including pillow bagging a
guy's head and hitting it with a golf club. Exploding
a classic car by lighting a pair of panties in
the gas tank, making out like a rolled up magazine
is the same as an iron bar. Greatest example of shit.
We haven't had any action for a while, so let's

(29:44):
have a kickboxing match breakout for no reason whatsoever. Followed
closely by kickboxing wasn't enough action, So I have two
thugs with Uzi's attack the restaurant where our hero and
her cop friend are having a date, so that we
can get just a little bit more action in the Sucker,
insanely violent co fueled attack on police station with multiple casualties. Boy,
these drug dealers love shooting people at close range. Late

(30:06):
in the film, goodfella's rip off drug dealer's money and
gambling montage in net cops run by a hot head
idiot ex boyfriend being gunned down in firefight with drug dealers,
leaving Tracy Lords to save the day. Wears a rolled
up magazine when you need one. Gunfight turns into car
chase comedy throwback of police car on the sidewalk, almost
hitting bandage man who fell through glass during opening chase,

(30:28):
who then falls through glass again. Car leaps through truck
filled with large tubs filled with water, Tracy Lord's badass
cocking shotgun with one hand and blowing purple way and
then walking away from a car which explodes twice, which
is a pretty awesome ending and end credits song stand
Tall or Fall performed by Lost Art.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
It's like a female driven death wish film on steroids,
and that is it. So that's how bullet points rundown.
A lot of bullet points in this one. I had
a ton of fun with this one. So do you
want to run run through the forest?

Speaker 3 (31:05):
Carry sure? I mean, just kind of keeping it to
its basic core. You know, Tracy's a detective and she's
you know, the movie starts with her going undercover and
she wants to nail these drug drug dealers and she
gets in a limo with these guys when she's not

(31:26):
supposed to, and obviously things are going to go sour
right away. So there's a huge shootout and bad guys
get away, but at least the cops were able to
nab the five million dollars in cocaine, you know, in
the trunk, So uh, these drug dealers are going to
want to get that money back or that cocaine back,
and well, you know, things start to happen, and you know,

(31:48):
Tracy's being she's like almost a fall guy, the scapegoat
for this whole you know, botched arrest or whatever you
want to call it, and everyone's against her and the
way she at least, you know, the way I see
it is it's like almost a redemption story in a way,

(32:09):
with her trying to well redemption and revenge, but trying
to show everyone around her that she's not a helpless
woman and she can do this on her own.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, I mean I I yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
I called it a female driven death wish film because
there is that aspect. I think when they're trying to
show her, you know, initially the first half of the movie,
they try and show her as the what would typically
be a male character, which would be kind of the
cop on the edge, right, cop doesn't play by the rules,
Cop on the edge, beats up perps and ask questions later,

(32:45):
kind of stereotype. Well, in this one, that's what Tracy
Lawd says, right, and Yaffat Koto's always saying to.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Her, you know, you've got to show your badge.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
You got to go by the book, you gotta do this,
you got to do that, and she doesn't do that.
And even when you know it's not long the movie,
we see a woman who's coming to the police station
right after Tracy Lord's has had her ass chewed out
by yeah fa Koto. Not literally, I'm not being gross,
just it's a turn of phrase, but sorry, there's a
woman describing a horrible rape that's happened the male desk

(33:18):
sergeant doesn't seem to give two shits about it, and
in fact, it's quite a sort of verbally abusive with
her and rough with her. Tracy lords then takes it
upon herself to go around to her house and beat
up all the guys quite violently who did that to her,
including throwing one off a roof. This sort of continues
a while, And what's interesting about this is that we

(33:40):
had a trend out of a few of the PM
Entertainment films that we've covered, where in order to convince
ourselves that the person we're following is really the hero,
everyone stands around and says what a great cop they are,
even though we've seen no evidence to the fact. Right,
what's interesting about this is no one's saying Tracy Lawd's

(34:02):
is a great cap. In fact, everyone is saying she
needs to stop doing everything that she's doing and she
needs to be a better cap. Yet. And I'm going
to continue calling him Luke from The Gilmore Girls, because
apart from this and The Gilmo Girls, I've not seen
him in anything else, or certainly not aware that I've
seen it's Scott Patterson in anything else, but maybe I have.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
I was surprised movies like the Saw four or five sixties,
in like three or four of the Saw movies.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
The later Oh he is oh, I had no idea. Yeah, yeah, okay,
fair enough then. But he still knows knows what's interesting
is well, I don't know how interesting it is. The
town that I live in, New Milford, Connecticut, is considered
by the author of The Gilmore Girls one of the

(34:50):
towns that inspired the show and inspired the books I
think they were based on before the show came and
recently in the last well in April. It was mid April,
so like just two weeks ago or a week and
a half ago, whenever it was. They did a weekend
where fans of The Gilmo Girls came to our town

(35:11):
and they changed all the little shopfronts into you know,
looking like Luke Steiner or ms Kim's Antiques or whatever. Right,
and about eight of the stars from the show came
to our town. I didn't get to see it, and they
were all kind of in a meet and greet space
that whether fans who had actually paid sort of when

(35:31):
I met them in the gymnasium or wherever they were.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I don't know where it was.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Where it was set up, but Scott Patterson was in
my town a week and a half ago, and because
this is the first time that I've seen Intent to Kill,
if I'd known that he was in it, so I've
seen ice and i'd seen Time to Die, had never
seen Intent to Kill, which is kind of why I
was excited to watch it for this episode. And had

(35:55):
I known he was in it before today, I would
have figured out a way to have gone and see
him and been like, hey, you're in a PM Entertainment
film and him being like, this is Gilmore Girls, Dude,
what are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Me being like, nobody cares about that show. Apparently they do.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Apparently hundreds and hundreds of people care about that show
because they all paid lots of money to come to
my small town, which the only thing that we have
here is a bandstand. You better not call it a gazebo.
If you call it a gazebo, the local townsfolk put
pitchforks and flaming sticks, march on, march on it. But no,

(36:28):
we have we have a bandstand. It's the only thing
that's the same as The Gilmore Girls. And of course
they filmed everything out in La and no one ever
came here, so uh, you know, it's funny, but he
was here in my town a week and a half ago,
so that's that's kind of bizarre.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Uh. And then here he is.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
In this movie dating Tracy Lord's and cheating on her
like a big scumbag.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
He's so unlikable from well, after you know, the opening,
you know, shootout or whatever. He's like they wake up
in the morning at you know, have breakfast at the
house or whatever. He's just like, immediately an unlikable character.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yes, immediately outside in his uh well, we call them
a wife beater vest in the UK, which is not
politically correct at all.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
I believe you call them a tank here, like a
tank top, right.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
We do, but the term a wife beater has been used. Okay,
it's a John McLain tank is what it is, essentially,
but worn by a scumbag.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
And he's just outside with his greasy hair, sweating all
over another incredibly sweaty woman who is wearing a string
bikini while riding a bike, which can't I'm sorry, can't
be comfortable because like the thing they make the thing
they make bike seats out of sticks to naked flesh, so.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
That I'm surprised.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Like she rides away and obviously doesn't put a button
the seat, because if she did, she like rip all
the skin off. But he's touching up her tattoo and
sweating all over and showing off his I love that
his car is like a bright yellow what car is it?
Do you do?

Speaker 1 (38:11):
You even know what car that is?

Speaker 3 (38:13):
I couldn't. I tried making it out, but I couldn't
make it out.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, it's meant to be a classic car.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
But and it is an older car, but it's not
like a it's not like a cool older It's not
like a Chevy or you know, or some some old
Lincoln or something. No, it's a it's it's it's like
a weird little I mean, it's one step up from
Herbie the Love Bucket.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
It's like one.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
It's it's like a little I don't know, it's like
a little trundle around town car from the sixties is
what it looks like. It's just painted bright yellow. And
he's all the year, chick my car out, baby, and
all this sort of stuff, and you're just like, what
are you doing, dude. You've got Tracy Lord's at home.
Come on, now you got you got twenty four year
old Tracy Lords and a Yankees jersey making you some

(38:59):
tea and go inside.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
What are you doing? You're mad person?

Speaker 2 (39:04):
But no, instead he's sleeezing all over string bikini lady,
which as you say, makes him immediately unlikable from the
get go. But yeah, my point earlier, which I rambled
off about Gilmore Girls, My point earlier was that what's
interesting again kind of playing I guess into the feminism
and sexist angle in.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
The movie.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Is that you know, she gets told off all the
time for not being a good cop, yet he's not
a good cop either, and he continues to be able
to do whatever the hell he wants, even down to
the end where he's somehow put in charge of this
big mission even though she's the one that's done all

(39:44):
the work and he's the one who's just gone around
beating up informants.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah, I had a little bit of a I guess.
My main issue was nothing against yef at Cooto, and
his character was great, but it just I did he
was on Tracy's side, but yet kept giving I think
his named Al's character who have given him, you know,
the case and put him in charge, and but yet

(40:12):
he's still obviously, you know, protecting. Maybe I mean, I
guess maybe he's more of a father figure and he's
being overly protective, maybe because she was so maybe inexperienced
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Well, they also they also set it up, as I
said in my spiel, they set it up in a
very cliched way, that Yaffat Koto would get killed. And
I thought that when they did the sort of big
violent police shootout, because I was waiting the whole movie,
I'm like, he's one month from retirement, right. He does
a big spiel with Tracy Lord's about I want us

(40:48):
both to live. You have to live, and you've got,
you know, decades left on the force, unlike me, I
retire in a month.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
And I'm thinking, oh, he's dead.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I mean, any other any other movie, any other character,
any other police chief anywhere in any other film, he's
dead by the midway point. And so when they when
you see the drug gang go into the police station
to start like shooting it up, I'm like, oh, here
we go. We're gonna lose Yaffat Koto, and then we don't.

(41:17):
In fact, Yaffet never comes back into the movie after
that and instead they kill her would be boyfriend, who
I didn't like either.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
By the way, I thought he was also a sleazy guy.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
But at least he I mean, I don't know, he
was just all over her, like, oh, I hear you're single.
Let me just be very forcibly asking you out for
a day, over and over again until you say yes
kind of thing, which I didn't like either, but she
entertained for some reason, which was weird. But yeah, yaffat Koto, like,
I guess they had him for like three days or whatever,

(41:49):
and then I don't know, never never never had him back.
But it was all set up I thought from the
beginning of the movie to have him die, and they
had a scene where he could have died, so I
don't know. All they all they had to do was
dress someone up who looked like ye from behind and
just have him, like I don't know, fall over in
a hail of bullets. And but no, so we never

(42:10):
find out what happens to Captain Koto.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
But at least they gave him the best lines in
the movie.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Oh beast lines, hands down bass lines in the movie,
and he delivers them like a pro. He's fantastic and
I have to say overall, I mean our overall thoughts.
We can go into our favorite scenes in a minute,
but like my overall thoughts that I was genuinely very
surprised by this movie because her other two films are
not as action packed as this, and there is not

(42:36):
as violent as this, and also do not have the
you know, considering it's you know, made by a guy,
written by a guy, produced by a guy, you know,
shot by a guy, and and most of the cast
is male, it is a surprisingly you know, within its genre,

(42:58):
within its budget. It is a feminist film. For as
much as you can claim it's a feminist film. I mean,
I know that's maybe stretching credulity a little bit, but
there's enough feminist message in there.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
It's there.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Yeah, And I've got to believe that came from Tracy,
I think.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Yeah, because at that point in her career, she was
trying to prove something. Yeah, definitely, you know, she was
trying to break away from her past, and she was
you know, I mean, I mean, obviously John Waters is
the one that put her on the map as far
as working in Hollywood goes. But at least with those
the films she did for PM. You know, they were

(43:39):
lead roles. They weren't sex pot you know, showing up
doing you know whatever. I mean, they were lead roles.
They were fully developed, at least in my opinion, fully
developed characters. In each film, the characters are not the same.
So she's really had the opportunity to stretch herself as
an actress.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah, and I said earlier that she's only done three,
but then of course she did extramarital and she did
the the Earthquake one, so she actually did like five
with PM.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Sorry, that's my mistake.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
She did a few more later on, so she clearly,
you know, she's stuck with PM on and off throughout
the whole of the nineties, because this one is from
ninety two, and of course the last one she does
with them. I think it's all the way in two thousand.
It's the one that uses a ton of stock footage
from other movies, and very interestingly.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
She also appears Epicenter.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
That's it, Epicenter with the closest we get to like
PM Entertainment All Stars, you know, altogether kind of movie
because you have Tracy Lawd's, Gary Daniels and Jeff Fahey.
But she Interestingly, though, she is in an episode of
The Gilmore Girls, so she is in season four, episode five,

(44:58):
The Fundamental Things Apply, and she plays a character called
Natalie Zimmerman. So maybe her and Scott Patterson stayed in touch,
but no. She did the Extramariton in ninety eight and
then Epicenter in two thousand, so you know, she actually
sort of dipped in an out of PM from what
the first one she does is A.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Time to Die in ninety one.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Yeah, almost almost from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah, and she does a movie with them kind of
every other year, more or less at the same time
as sort of you know, branching out in both TV
shows and straight to video movies, things like circuitry Man
two and Laser Moon and Skinner of course famously with
Ted Raimi, which has its own controversial aspects in it.

(45:45):
She's even in Virtuosity with Denziel Washington and Russell Crowe,
which came up on an earlier episode of this podcast
because it was the favorite movie of Ty Barger, who
was on the Sweeper episode, which was our episode one.
So yeah, I mean, look, she was, as you say,

(46:07):
looking to make a name for herself. PM certainly helped
her do that or make a I hate to use
the word legitimate, because I'm not saying that anything she
did prior to this was the legitimate or wrong or whatever,
but legitimate in the eyes of the general phs renting public,
I guess, and I agree with you. I think all

(46:28):
and I say three movies because they're the three that
she is, you know, the lead. It's a Tracy Lord's movie.
And while yes, there are a couple of other actors
there with her, A Time to Die, Ice, and intent
to kill are all very much you know, Tracy Lord's movies,
I've got to imagine that she had some hand in

(46:49):
fleshing out these characters. You know, obviously she gets to
play a little softer side and a Time to Die,
she gets to play a little harder side and intent
to kill an ice. But in all three movies she's
she's fantastic. I mean, I think that she gives a
really great performance in all of them. She gets to
do her as I said, like a female twist on
Chunck Bronson. And in this one, and you know, by

(47:13):
the end of this movie, as I said, she you know,
cocks a shotgun with one hand and walks away from
an exploding car and then dumps to her knees. I mean,
she hits, she hits. One of the most badass PM
endings I can think of.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Oh yeah, I mean I that was like one of
them is rating my notes. You know, it's like this,
you know, I'm beautifully shot ending where you know, just
the fire and then dropping to the knees.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
It was.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
It was a powerful scene, it really was. And then
this song kind of kicks in at the end and
it was just actually the whole ending. That car craw
when the chase with the two police cars, you know,
Tracy going after it was at Salvador I think it
was named and they jumps through those water barrels the
way I don't know the way it was shot, the white,

(48:00):
the way the water just kind of it was just
like it perfectly spreads as the cars like twisting through.
Beautiful shot. And this was kind of like in the
early days before they really started doing the big stunts
and it was still still beautifully done.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Well, Hey, gang, I hope you're all doing well. So
sorry this week there is no interview. I will continue
to pursue as many people as possible to try and
get them to appear on the show. As of yet,
sadly we haven't got anyone from this film. But you know,
if we get someone down the line from this movie
and we have to release it as a separate interview episode,

(48:55):
we can always do that. So no harm, no foul. Anyway,
I hope you're enjoying this excellent conversation with Corey Dana.
Lots more to come. I just want to remind people
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(49:16):
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(49:38):
after that we'll be right back with me and Corey
Dana talking Intend to Kill from nineteen ninety two starting
Trace the Lords. I hope you're enjoying it. Thanks so
much for listening. As always, I mean this is. This

(50:05):
is what I always find interesting because I've seen some
of the very early ones, and I've seen some of
the City Lights ones. And then obviously we focused a
lot on sort of the ninety five through to like
ninety seven kind of prime era because I wanted to
kick the podcast off with some really well known top
drawer like PM stuff.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
But what I love about these when you kind.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Of dip into these early ones is they have this
really interesting blend and we talked a little bit about
this on the wings Houser episode. Really interesting blend of
kind of the early more grindhouse ye more exploitative stuff
with the you know, action and explosions and car chases

(50:47):
and fights and things that they would then become known for.
I mean, you know this movie is when I went
through the bullet points, like it really has a bit
of everything in this movie. Ye you have you know
you you as I said, like at one point, a
kickboxing match breaks out, you know what I mean, just to.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Just to throw a fight in there.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
You've got car chases galore, you've got explosions, you've got
some really intense shootouts. I mean, the you know I said,
And the thing about them shooting people point blank.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
There's a lot of that in this movie.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
They put Oozy's right up against people's chests and then
squims go off. So I mean, that's that's kind of
dangerous because even blanks and stuff, you know, expel the
casings and stuff.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
So, well, I thought it was pressed interesting because I
you know, i'd looked it up and was looking on
some things on IMDb and it listed the movie as
being rated at NC seventeen, which is something I had
never I guess I never really paid for violence. Yeah,
and I had just never even really thought of it
that way in but with the way after rewatching it, Yeah, okay, yeah,

(51:53):
I see it. I see it.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
And and you know, Charles t can't get us again.
I've not seen a one of his films. I've seen
a couple that he's been involved in, but I don't
think i've seen one that he directed before. And clearly
him and Ken Blakey were having a whale of a
time with the slow motion in this.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Movie, just the two of them. There's some there's a
couple of like really I don't know, there's a couple
of scenes that really like just little things too, you know,
not necessarily the action sequence. There's a really like h
really pretty shot of like it was like dawn or
dusk or something, and the cameras like slowly panning over

(52:34):
and then it kind of dissolves into like a bluish hue,
bluish white hue wherever the bad guys were all standing
in the shadows with the guns, and it was just
it was a really like cool looking scene. It's like, oh,
you know, something's gonna happen here.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Oh yeah, I mean, Ken Blakey knows how to shoot
Los Angeles like nobody's business. I mean, that big orange
skyscape that looks like something out of To Live and
Die in La or something is just, uh, absolutely fantastic.
And like you say, whenever you're around the bad guy's
lair or when the bad guys go to do a

(53:08):
deal gone bad and shoot up the place or whatever,
it's always back lit, blue shoes, smoke coming out of somewhere.
You know. Even every time you see their warehouse where
they're where their head guy is hanging out, there's light
billowing out of the windows like it's the Exorcist poster
or something.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
It's it's phenomenal. I love all those little things.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I love the fact that he's really playing with some
real stylized stuff. I mean him and Rick, you know,
the predominant cinematographers for PM, and I feel like, you know,
I feel like in their story as great as Rick
is and Rick look, Rick definitely helps obviously define the

(53:51):
look of PM films, But whatever Rick was doing, Ken
took and blew it out of the water. I feel like,
I mean, Ken, just Ken. If anyone is if you
watch PM films and you go, man, they look great
or they look sleazier, they look weird and they look
cool or whatever it is, like, Ken is a huge
part of.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
That, oh big time. And I always liked the fact
that in a lot of their lot of the issues,
a lot of their earlier films, you know, with the
ones they have that grindhouse kind of feel to them,
they always seem to to capture bits of that time
in La walking down the Sunset Strip or whatever. It
was a really unique looking place. And for posterity sake,

(54:36):
you know, we have these movies to look back because
it does not look like that anymore, not even no,
not even a close but being able.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
To mean Hollywood, Hollywood and Vine is still a little
scuzzy either side of either side of Hollywood, not not
outside the Man's Chinese Stater and all that, but if
you go one block in either direction of Hollywood and Vine,
it's still a little they but it's it's it's still
got it's still got some scuzzy elements, but yes, it's

(55:05):
I always equated to this like one of my first
as I was getting more and more and more.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Into kind of grindhouse p pictures, call them whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Obviously, my my first in was through stuff like Maniac,
Maniac Cop, A lot of the New York stuff, yeah,
a lot of the Larry Cohen and Bill Lustig and
James Glickenhouse stuff of course, stuff like Shakedown and The
Exterminator and some of those. So I always sort of
New York as like the mecha of scuzzy, you know,

(55:36):
street walking, violence and madness, you know in the Death
Wish films and other things like that. But actually, uh,
you know Los Angeles. And this is another thing I
love about PM is PM really showed Los Angeles and
it's and then some other movies that there's like the
James Bader movie like Jack's Back has a lot of
this kind of like scuzzy uh Los Angeles as well.

(55:59):
There's there's plenty of others, but I think pm really perfected.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Oh they did. The only other film that's popping into
my head, you know, not PM would be Angel, maybe
the first Angel film.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
But I mean there's a few, there's there's obviously a few,
but I like the way that that the pm do.
It Also the smallest stunts list for a pm N
stainment film that I've ever seen, so proving that Broadway
Joe Murphy, who's the main stunt coordinator on this, and
a very small team of about if you don't count

(56:32):
Dino Homsey who did the fight choreography and the and
the kickboxing sequence. If you just consider the stunt guys,
it's five people. And when you think what they pulled off,
it's that's pretty phenomenal, especially when you think that once
you get into the Colees Mackay Spiuzatos era, the stunt
list is like twenty twenty five people long. For five

(56:54):
people to pull off what they pull off in this film,
I mean phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
I was really impressed with the I mean obviously not
you know, it's not up to what we're I guess
used to or what you know, our brain wants to
tell us is PM entertainment. But it you obviously see
that evolution, you see where it's headed. You know, this
is an early entry, and they're kind of just kind

(57:26):
of like almost like they're testing the waters, like to
see what everybody likes, and you know they obviously they
keep ramping it up as they go along.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Also huge applause for the fact that and I've not
seen this in another movie outside of comedy movies, I guess,
but the callback to the police car on the sidewalk
knocking the guy through his glass door. The fact that
they and they literally down to like having the uh
you know, I think of eric Isdland European vacation, like

(57:57):
the munty Python act Erica.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Oh yeah, see him later on.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
He's all bandaged up and stuff like that, and there's
sort of like a running gag with him in the movie.
The fact that they literally have him all bandaged up
like a like a multi python character, like a mel
Brooks character, like you know, like a phony blown and.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
They've got like the weird metal holding.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
His arm up and he's still what's hilarious is he's
still trying to open his shop, like he's still trying
to work even though he's bandaged from head to toe,
and then they throw him back through a window.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
I thought that was in the heat.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Of all this, you know, violence and aggression and every
man in her life being an absolute asshole and everything
else that's going on in this movie, to have a
little comedy callback, I thought that's fantastic.

Speaker 7 (58:42):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (58:43):
It was something. Actually, wait a minute, he actually did
rewind it to the beginning and watch it again, because
it's almost almost the exact same shot. Just yes, bandage up,
you know, just let's do it again with bandages.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
You know, yeah, right, no, compleatly, yeah, replace them.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
In fact, I don't know if the shot that when
he goes when you see him go through the glass
the second time, can you even tell if he's bandaged
or is that the same shot?

Speaker 3 (59:10):
I feel like you can, like you can see like
the bandage on the head. I don't remember seeing it
on his arm or anything like that, but I know,
I know.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
You see him out in the street all bandage.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
But I'm wondering did they really put a new paine
of pony glass in that thing and throw him through
twice or did they just use the same shot. I
got to go check that out now, because I gotta
imagine PM just use the same shot. I can't imagine
PM we're buying two sheets.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
But I don't know. I mean, if there's been several
films where I've noticed, you know, they use the same
same crash through a window. I think I wish I
could remember both of them right off hand. But one
of them was it was a Ted Jan Roberts movie,
the one with Corey Feldman. Yes, there's a there Robin

(01:00:01):
like a it's a car dealership and they're stealing cars
and this car crashes through a window, you know, to
get out. And I've seen that in at least one
other PM film, and I can't remember what other movie
that was, but it was the exact same shot. So
there's a very good possibility that that fall through the
window is this exact same shot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
And who could blame them?

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Listen, if they paid for it, they could use it
as much as they like, as far as I'm concerned.
So favorite scenes, then, are there anything that stands out
to you in particular?

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
I did like the the restaurants shootout as needless as
it was, it was pretty brutal and it kind of
gave Tracy a chance to, you know, to get back
into action for a little while. And then the other scene,
it was probably my favorite scene, is when she goes

(01:01:00):
to the oh where I don't even know what it was,
where all the women were working and she goes to
for the job and when he's she's beating that guy
after she smashes the bottle over his head and she's
just going to town on him. I was like, oh
my god, she's gonna kill this guy. I mean, it
really looked like she was putting everything into that hit.

(01:01:23):
So I thought that was a cool scene.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
They covered just about every type of asshole male in
this movie. Obviously you've got you know, gang bangers, you've
got rapists, but you've also got you know, shitty bosses,
you know, death Sergeant. The whole scene with the woman
explaining this horrible ordeal that she went under and the
death sergeant like just not giving a shit about it.

(01:01:47):
I've not even in serious movies, I've not seen a
movie that like nailed what it must have been like
for women. I mean even women now, because you know
how so few rape cases even make it to trial,
let alone conviction. What it must be like to sit
there and tell that story to a random, strange dude

(01:02:08):
behind a desk, especially when he behaves this way. And
I think that's what was also interesting, you know. And
and I again, I don't want to always like look
back on Facy Lord's past. I know she doesn't, but
there's got to have been just because of the exploitative
nature of her life up until a certain point, there's

(01:02:28):
got to have been some things that she brought to
the table here where she was like, no, no, no,
a woman would experience it this way, you know what
I mean, like the guy that the death sergeant would
be this way, or the shitty boyfriend would be this way,
or the scuzzy boss would be this way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Although in typical, in typicult PM fashion.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
I thought when she went to the scuzzy boss place,
I thought it was that thing where you know they
have them like pack packaging up cocaine and so that
they don't they're like just wearing aprons and nothing else.

Speaker 1 (01:03:02):
I thought it was like one of those kind of scenes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
I think, like an house does that, and Jackie Chan's
and Protector Ethic, there's a scene like that, so I
thought it was that, but then suddenly halfway through the scene,
I'm like, no, these women are just polishing pipes in
a factory. Like it's a dimly lit, grimy factory with
pipes and tanks and you know, scaffolding and whatever, and
they're literally just they're fully clothed and they're just wearing

(01:03:27):
aprons and rubber gloves and they're just constantly cleaning pipes.
Who needs, Like, I've never seen a factory polished before,
but there's these people were just polishing a factory and
with no lights on, just the beautiful lights streaming through
the factory window and the red and orange shoes on
the wall. And then, like you say, he takes it

(01:03:47):
to a back room in the factory, which is also
just more factory. He's like hiding behind pipes. There's like
red lights on his face. It's a phenomenal scene, Like
it's really great, but it's also when you stop and
think about it, there's a great YouTube channel called in
defense of and he only did it for like a
couple of years, and it was seven or eight years ago,

(01:04:08):
and he's not done a video since. It's a real
shame because he covered some PM entertainment films and covered
a lot of low budget horror and.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Action and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:16):
And he just does these five minute videos where he
kind of defends movies that are otherwise unheard of, maligned,
last whatever, right, and tells people why they should watch them.
And he comes up with and he points this out
in almost all the PM entertainment movies that he's saying,
He's like, there's a there's always a scene in a
PM entertainment movie that is so PM and yet really,

(01:04:40):
if you stop and think about it for thirty seconds,
it makes little to no sense. And this is the
scene in this movie, is like why is it a factory?
Why are they polishing the thing? Why is she pretending
to be an invalid with a walking stick?

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Why?

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Like, you know what I mean? Like this, there's one
hundred and one questions I have. But at the same time,
when you're watching it and you're in the PM. Uh,
you're in the PM mindset, You're you're in the movie.
They've got you enjoying the movie. You don't think about
it at all until late.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
Now, you know what I mean. And even in the
conclusion of the scene when she's you know, leading them
out through the you know the room with the women
polishing the pole, you know, the pipes, and they're all
cheering and he's just young. Got back to work, Get
back to work. It was really it was. It was
a funny scene, but it was it was that was

(01:05:30):
the one that stood out. Whether it needed to be
there or not for debate, but it was probably no.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
I mean, they had they had that. It served two purposes.
It was like, well, we need to have a scuzzy
boss scene, and we're not gonna make Yaffat Koto a
scuzzy boss because we like Yaffat Koto and he's awesome,
and so you need to have a scuzzy boss scene
because it's another example of like where women would come
across household men in that time and now sadly still.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
And then also it's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
The scene that leads her to rethink her ways because
she arrests him. He goes to court and gets off
because there was no you know, there was no she
didn't show her bad, she didn't go by the book.
She just beat the shit out of him with a
glass bottle when he tried to force her to you know,

(01:06:24):
perform more or sex. And so he gets away with it.
And because he gets away with it, it allows It's
the scene in the movie that makes her go, Okay,
maybe I should rethink my ways, I guess. And then
you find out that scuzy ex boyfriend, this informant that's
in prison that she's been looking after the whole time.

(01:06:45):
He just goes in and beats the shit out of him.
But he's he's okay with doing that. It's fine if
he does it. So yeah, it's it's weird. So yeah.
My favorite scenes, well, first of all, the opening car
chase and the ending car chase absolutely fantastic. Again, I
wasn't really expecting it. After the Time to Die or whatever.
I was sort of expecting a little bit more action,

(01:07:05):
and then it isn't. It's more of a kind of
a drama and a thriller kind of thing. And so,
you know, the opening car chase and the ending of
the movie both fantastic. I wasn't expecting it. Absolutely great,
really enjoyed it. I think that the scene, any scene
with Yaffat Codo in it is incredibly effective because he's so.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Good at doing those lines.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
I mean, I quoted that one about your fingers will
be filing fingerprints until your fingers fall off, which is
quite a ton twist.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
That makes your butt my breakfast.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Yes, that's a great line. I'm glad you said that one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:07:45):
And when he drops the title of the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Yes, thirty nine minutes in what.

Speaker 3 (01:07:51):
Was Your Intent to Kill?

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Yeah, he said it, what was your intent to kill? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Great?

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Absolutely love it when characters say the say the name
of the movie, all the more when it's obvious. And
then of course the uh, she's got me drinking, which
he says about three or four times as he's necking
Jack Daniels at his desk.

Speaker 6 (01:08:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
So he was all.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Great, and overall my overall thing was just I really
I was genuinely surprised by the movie, really enjoyed it. Yeah,
it's it's it's a little long. It could have about
ten minutes trimmed. There's a lot of as I said,
that kind of Crowbard in Goodfella's montage, you know, ten

(01:08:38):
minutes before the end of the movie. I'm like, really,
we're having another montage at at the ninety minute mark, like,
let's wrap this.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Up, can gannis?

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
But because I like my movies like a good ninety
minutes if possible, But no, I mean, look, yeah, there
are little the whole convoluted thing that you know, she
helps the woman with her rapists, and then later she's
like best friends with a woman, moves in with a woman,
knows the woman's dad. There's a whole scene at the
restaurant or whatever. Again, it's one of those things where

(01:09:09):
I have two feelings about it. One feeling is I
love that pm bother to put in weird little character
backstories that don't necessarily need to be there. Yeah, So
there's a part of me that my part of my
genuine film appreciation me that loves those scenes. And then
there's the you know, action movie ninety minutes straight to

(01:09:32):
video grindhouse me that's just like this does a need
to be and there just have us stay with the
AffA codo and get on with it, you know what
I mean, Like it's you know what I mean. So
it was there were certainly some scenes that could have
been Jennison, And there's a lot of like the gangsters
going around killing people and trying to beat cocaine out
of people when actually at the end of the day

(01:09:53):
all they do is go into the police station, kill
everyone and grab it for themselves, so.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
But apart from that, I have to say this, this
it certainly shot to the top of.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
My like the Tracy Lord's films for me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Yeah, and again it's it's a good, you know, top
to middle tier PM film, like it's it's it's it's
a it's a strong one. Well let's rank it then,
let's rank it ranking within PM entertainment films.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Ooh, I would I would say maybe top ten to
fifteen because I mean, obviously, you know the stuff that
come a little bit, you know, maybe another year or
two later when the stunts got bigger and you know,
stuff like that, and those films are just phenomenal as

(01:10:43):
far as like action goes in in the PM cannon.
But yeah, there's still something about intent to kill that
really sticks with me. And you know, a lot of
it has to do with Tracy and her performance. So
I think a great performance that's gonna stick with me.
So I would definitely put it in at least the
top fifteen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
And have you have you seen this prior to us
chatting tonight or was this the first time?

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Probably my third time watch?

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, it's So for me, it's kind
of what I would call a kitchen sink PM film,
which is they throw everything in it, including the kitchen sink.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
It's like I said earlier, it's kind of got a
bit of everything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Yeah, and it's all it's got a bit of everything,
but in its infancy right, it's got a little bit
of everything where I feel like a movie like this
is maybe a step up from sort of the early
like La Heat, l A Vice, those kind of movies.
It's like a little step up with the action, but
like you say, it's not quite to the point of
sort of the top tier stuff. But then despite all that,

(01:11:52):
you've got this incredible, I mean genuinely affecting central performance
from Tracy Lawd's and as said, some really nice attempt
at well, if the boys can do the cop on
the Edge movie, why can't I kind of feminism, which
which I love. I actually love that. It's like what

(01:12:13):
Cynthia does in Cynthia Rothrock does in her movies. It's
it's you know, it's it's then again, what you know,
people always talk about Linda Hamilton and Sigourney we were
doing in their franchises, and I you know, it's it's
what we see all the time in horror movies. Horror
is always known as being fairly you know, having that

(01:12:37):
double edged sword. Of Yes, it's exploitative, but it's also
feminist because very often the woman is the one that survives,
and the woman's the one that has to be strong
and the et cetera, et cetera. So you know, I
think that all adds up to making it. As I said,
it's probably if it's in my top fifteen, it's probably
towards the fourteen thirteen, fourteen fifteen mark, just because there

(01:13:00):
are so many fucking great PM films. Yeah, but you know,
being in the top fifteen, top twenty of you know,
one hundred and whatever plus movies that they made is
a good place to be. And it gets a strong, strong,
strong recommendation for me, as you know, if you haven't

(01:13:21):
seen this, if you're a fan of the PM entertainment
and fan of this podcast, strong recommendation to go watch
this as soon as possible.

Speaker 3 (01:13:29):
I couldn't agree more, agree more.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
And I don't know how many Tracy Lord's movies you've seen,
but could you rank it within Tracy Lord's movies?

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
You know, I've seen a lot, you know, I followed
her film career, you know, pretty closely, and I would
put it. I mean, I don't know if you've ever
seen the horror movie Excision. She is amazing in that film.

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
I really when when did that come out?

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
This would be I want to say early two thousands maybe,
oh yeah, okay, really good movie and she's excellent in it,
and she that's probably one of her best overall performances.
So I would probably I would put that in. Then
maybe I would put in the top five somewhere. I mean,
I love cry Baby. I think Crybaby was a great film. Yeah,

(01:14:16):
and she has a pretty substantial role out I mean
some of the other John Waters stuff, her roles are
more I would say, more of a cameo. I mean
in Blade was more of a cameo, even though when
you think of Blade, the first scene that pops to
your mind is that scene. Yes, but yeah, it's definitely
in the top five, I would think as far as
Tracy Lewd's films go.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Yeah, in terms of her being the lead, yeah, it's
it's in my top three. In terms of films that
she's appeared in, yeah, probably you know, top five with
as you said, like, you know, none of this earth
has got to be in there. Cry Baby's got to

(01:14:58):
be in there.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
I have a spot for shock them dead.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
But shot them dead. Yeah, sure, that's a great one.
I'm trying to find that Excision movie. I'm not seeing
it anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Another name, that's what I'm thinking. Maybe I got the
name wrong. I'm pretty sure it was called Excision.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
She's in Black Mask too, City of Mask.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
No, yeah, Excision in twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Oh, twenty twelve. That's why I'm still too.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Far down a little bit later than I Yeah, yeah,
oh wow, Okay, No, I haven't heard of this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
I'm gotta watch this movie then.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
Yeah, I definitely recommend it. Yeah, it's got a little
bit of a body horror type vibe to it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
But no, I mean yeah, I again, I would put
it in the I would probably put it in my
top three in terms of strictly Tracy Lord's you know
movies and yeah, but what what what a career she
built for herself. Fantast and I met at the once
at a comic con and had to sign a Crime

(01:16:05):
by Baby eight by ten, which was awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
The top on my signature wall, which is you can't
stan it, but.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
I got one over here actually.

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
But uh, and she seemed really nice. It was it
was like before that, before I'd got into the big
PM stuff. But I don't know, maybe she'll maybe she'll
listen to this episode and think I'll go on that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Maybe I'll go on that podcast and talk to talk
to him.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
So I'll let her agent know that we talked about
her and were very favorable.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
I've met her a couple of times at conventions and
you know, one time I had talked you know, I
had brought U my shot him dead Blu Ray, and
She's like, why do people like this movie so much?
It was I had to try to explain. I was like,
I showed actually showed her on my phone. I was like, look,
I have the soundtrack saved on my phone. And she

(01:16:56):
just couldn't believe that people love that movie so much. Yeah,
you know, it's a bad movie, but it's just an
absolute blast from beginning to end.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
And yeah, and look, she worked with the best, she
worked with Corman, she worked with Waters, she worked with PM.
I mean, look, if you're gonna go out there and
make it in as I said, I don't like the term,
but quote unquote legitimate movies or whatever you want to
call them. I think that if you are picking John Waters,

(01:17:29):
Roger Corman and PM Entertainment as the proving ground for
you to make your stand in acting, you know she's
a person of discerning taste. Let's say yes, definitely as
far as I'm concerned. Well, Corey, thanks ever so much
for being on the show Man. This was absolutely fantastic.
I think we did this movie proud and it was

(01:17:52):
great to have you on. I let everyone know where
they can find your stuff, where they can find you online,
if you want to be found online and what you
have coming up, if anyone could look out for anything
that you're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Well, you can find me on uh obviously on Facebook.
You can find me on Instagram and uh, you know,
I'm we're obviously we're working on the PM book. I'm
still in the early stages, but it's it's coming along.
I've talked with a publisher who are interested, so things
look good that way. I just got to keep plugging
ahead and and I believe it's going to be the

(01:18:28):
fall issue of Videoscope. There will be an interview I
did the interview I did with Richard Norton before he passed,
the wonderful great and going back to that, that was
that was there was there was some feelings in there
because he got he got a little deep at times,

(01:18:49):
and he couldn't have been a nicer guy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
So I'm looking forward to have people read, you know
that that interview, because I mean, I don't know how
many interviews he's done in the past years, so so
I don't know. Maybe it's one of his last for
all I know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Yeah, No, that's that's fantastic.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
And I know that Claudio had intended to get him
out to Germany in a convention and instead has has
got Jeff Speakman, which is fantastic. Yeah, I want to
read your interview. Is that a sorry, what was the
publication again?

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Videoscope magazine?

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Okay, so it's a it's an actual magazine, yeah, okay, nice. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:19:26):
So I'll find usually Barnes and Nobles always carries them,
and so and you can find my book pretty much,
the Sheldon Letters book, you can find wherever books are sold.
So that's out there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
No, I'm going to be picking that one up and
I'm going to be picking up the the other one
that had actually already been on my list before I
met you. But the the from nineteen sixty to president
that they're good, the tough on the deadly, that was
already on my list. So I'll be picking those up.
Thank you so much for being on the show, and
let's keep in touch, come back on whenever you like.

(01:20:04):
And yeah, we're actually doing the Ted Jan Roberts. It's
my first Ted Jan Roberts because it's the one I
hadn't I hadn't delved yet into their family or like
you know, Karate Kid movies yet, and so I just
picked up almost all of his The Two Magic Kids
on VHS. I have a Dangerous Place coming on VHS. Taigaha.

(01:20:27):
I got on VHS and I went, I just bought
all the Ted Jan Roberts because I've got to get
into my guess because people actually told me that that
they're pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
The Power the Power Within.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
Okay, yes I remember that one now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
That Yes, that's williams Abker is in uh and Keith Coogan,
who I've also interviewed maybe Okay, Keith Coogan on the
show to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
About the power.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
I had, you know, I had him on my other
show talking about Toy Soldiers, which is I love when
teens at movies. So I love Toy Soldiers. If looks
could kill gotcha. There's a whole bunch of them, But
I I love like Toy Soldiers are one of my
I think it's one of the best, really, Yeah, like

(01:21:12):
die Hard ripoffs that you know, because there was like
die Hard on a plane and die Hard and a school,
and die Hard on a boat and die Hard you know,
in a bus or whatever. I think Toy Soldiers needs
a lot of love. So I did a whole twenty
fifth anniversary special when that came out and spoke to
spoke to him. So maybe I'll have him on the
show to to talk about the power with it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
That'd be cool.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
Because ten Gen Roberts has disappeared off the Facebook.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Yeah, I've looked around. I've tried finding information on him
and it's just there's nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
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